Obama Campaign’s Advice for Romney: ‘Stop Whining’

Romney replies, “No, you stop whining”
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Folks, the gloves are officially off in this presidential campaign: Team Obama to Romney: Stop Whining.

Mitt Romney isn’t going to get an apology from President Obama or any of his surrogates about suggestions that he may have committed a felony about his time at Bain Capital in Securities and Exchange Commission filings.

Instead, Rahm Emanuel and deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter—who first suggested last week that Romney may have broken the law—offered this advice today to Romney: “Stop whining.”

“Give it up about Stephanie. Don’t worry about that,” said Emanuel, Obama’s former chief of staff and current mayor of Chicago. “What are you going to do when the Chinese leader says something? Or Putin says (something critical) to you? You’re going to whine…You cannot do that. And as Mitt Romney said once to his own Republican colleagues: Stop whining. I’ll give him his own advice: Stop whining.”

It should also be mentioned that Mitt Romney really has no right to demand apologies for negative campaigning; in his own campaign he’s been questioning Barack Obama’s patriotism and his love for America, taking quotes way out of context and lying outright, and repeating every crazy wingnut meme, including the ridiculous “apology tour” and “bowing to the Saudis” nonsense. And the President hasn’t been demanding apologies for any of it, even though he’d be justified.

Romney’s outrage rings hollow.

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208 comments
1 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 12:58:01pm

Mitt for pete's sake man up.

2 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:00:29pm

Romney can hope that this all blows over, but in doing so, he will surrender initiative to Team Obama. And I suspect that TO is just getting warmed up...

3 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:01:39pm
“Give it up about Stephanie. Don’t worry about that,” said Emanuel, Obama’s former chief of staff and current mayor of Chicago. “What are you going to do when the Chinese leader says something? Or Putin says (something critical) to you?

OMG, Rahm Emanuel reads LGF! :)

4 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:03:11pm

"He started it!"
"Did not!"
"Did too!"
"Did not!"
"Did too!"

5 abolitionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:03:39pm

It's my party and I'll whine if I want to.
/ (apologies to Lesley Gore)

6 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:07:56pm

Team Romney's been running on negative campaigning against Obama since last November, when their first ad out of the gate was blatantly false, to which they responded to criticism by saying (essentially) "It's fake but accurate!"

7 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:08:02pm

Team Romney to Team Obama: 'Stop Laughing'

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8 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:09:06pm

Sheesh. The topic of this post caused a barrage of wingnut ads from Adsense. I'm looking at ads from AEI, Newsmax, and FAIR.

9 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:09:49pm

re: #7 wrenchwench

Team Romney to Team Obama: 'Stop Laughing'

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Ok I have to know: What WAS the original context of that photo? I've been seeing it EVERYWHERE on my Facebook feed with various captions.

10 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:10:10pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sheesh. The topic of this post caused a barrage of wingnut ads from Adsense. I'm looking at ads from AEI, Newsmax, and FAIR.

I just got a classy "OBAMA GRANTS AMNESTY!" banner.

11 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:10:23pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson
I am getting liposuction ads.

12 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:10:31pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sheesh. The topic of this post caused a barrage of wingnut ads from Adsense. I'm looking at ads from AEI, Newsmax, and FAIR.

FAIR being the least fair. Could you kill that one?

13 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:10:32pm

The defense now is to portray Obama and his campaign as evil, malicious mudslingers abusing their position of Poresidential power to attack a fine, upstanding White Knight who is trying to run a clean, honorable campaign...

14 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:11:07pm

re: #11 PhillyPretzel

I am getting liposuction ads.

Must be the pretzels...

15 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:11:21pm
repeating every crazy wingnut meme, including the ridiculous “apology tour” and “bowing to the Saudis” nonsense

It's not just that he repeats these crazy memes, it's that they've been the centerpiece of his campaign from the beginning. He did, after all, call his 2010 book No Apology. His publisher's blurb started out this way:

On his first presidential visit to address the European nations, President Obama felt it necessary to apologize for America’s international power. He repeated that apology when visiting Latin America, and again to Muslims worldwide in an interview broadcast on Al-Arabiya television.

16 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:11:35pm

Shouldn't the subtitle be : Romney replies, “No, you stop winning”

17 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:14:14pm

re: #16 b_sharp

Shouldn't the subtitle be : Romney replies, “No, you stop winning”

I'm Charlie Sheen and I approve this post.

18 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:14:43pm

re: #13 Expand Your Ground

The defense now is to portray Obama and his campaign as evil, malicious mudslingers abusing their position of Poresidential power to attack a fine, upstanding White Knight who is trying to run a clean, honorable campaign...

Which is gonna ring hollow to even the most apathetic voter who's been bombarded for weeks with anti-Obama ads being bankrolled by Romney's SuperPAC buddies.

19 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:16:39pm

re: #18 Targetpractice

Which is gonna ring hollow to even the most apathetic voter who's been bombarded for weeks with anti-Obama ads being bankrolled by Romney's SuperPAC buddies.

Romney can retroactively distance himself from them...

20 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:19:58pm
"It's sad to see," Gillespie said on CNN's State of the Union."We now know that this president will say or do anything to keep the highest office in the land, even if it means demeaning the highest office in the land."

Translation: We think it's unfair that Obama is fighting back. Liberals are supposed to be gutless pacifists. How dare he stand up to us!

21 HappyWarrior  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:23:44pm

That one is hilarious coming from a Romney adviser

22 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:23:51pm

Obama should put out an apology post-dated to take effect Wednesday, November 7th.

23 mr.fusion  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:24:54pm

I just love the Republicans

GOP: Obama is soft on foreign policy!
Obama: I shot Osama Bin Laden through the eye
GOP: How dare you point that out!

GOP: Obama is terrible on the economy!
Obama: We were losing 700,000 jobs when I came into office
GOP: Oh still blaming Bush are we? Besides, it was all Jimmy Carter!

GOP: Romney is a great business man with an impeccable record so he should be President
Obama: Let's take a look at that record, shall we?
GOP: Apologize for that!

24 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:25:04pm

What does Romney have left to run on? His tenure as governor of Massachusetts? That is something he would rather not mention, as he was pro-choice and pro-mandate back then.

Even the Olympics are now off the table, they are too closely related to his "leave of absence/pre-retirement" from Bain.

The only thing he can do now is to try to paint Obama as some kind of bully and thug abusing the powers of the Presidency to wreck Romney's reputation.

25 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:26:55pm

No surprise here, Mitt presented Bob Schieffer out of context:

Schieffer opened a later segment saying he was "shocked" by the ad and distancing himself from it.

"That was a question that I posed to David Axelrod -- not a statement," he said. "I have no affiliation with the Romney campaign. This was done without our permission."

Schieffer noted the precarious position of an independent journalist appearing in a campaign ad: "I'm sure I'll get some blowback."

26 dragonath  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:28:14pm

Is it a bad thing that when I think of the Salt Lake Olympics, I picture Bush scowling down at the lone Iranian olympian that year?

27 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:31:33pm

Romney has several weak fronts, and one of them is still his Mormonism, in they eyes of the Christian Fundamentalists (and also the ex-Mormons, but they are a small group relatively.)

"Christian Constitutionalists" still don't like him, e.g., Romney Supporters Are Grasping At Straws.

The Evangelical apologists of course have never accepted Mitt or Mormonism, e.g., Life After Ministry Leading Mormons to the REAL Jesus Christ

And even though there are Romney critics who go to bat for him against attacks on his Mormonism, e.g., Ron Paul Must Denounce Bigoted Anti-Mormon Pastor

There are plenty of ex-Mormons who will continue to raise concern over a plethora of ills, e.g., “Romney campaign tries to bully the Boston Globe….”

Romney's Mormonism remains the under-the-hood issue that occasionally sees the light of day, before it gets shooed back into the closet. The questions over his corporate responsibilities and finances are unlikely to find their way back into a closet, however.

28 jaunte  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:32:03pm

re: #24 Expand Your Ground

What does Romney have left to run on?

"Looking Presidential."

29 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:33:23pm

I can't wait until HBO's The Newsroom covers all this in two years:

Add another document to the pile of evidence contradicting Mitt Romney's continued insistence that he ended his active role with Bain Capital in early 1999, part of his long-running effort to avoid responsibility for the company's activity, related to outsourcing and bankruptcies, during the years that followed.

A corporate document filed with the state of Massachusetts in December 2002 -- a month after Romney was elected governor -- lists him as one of two managing members of Bain Capital Investors, LLC "authorized to execute, acknowledge, deliver and record any recordable instrument purporting to affect an interest in real property, whether to be recorded with a Registry of Deeds or with a District Office of the Land Court."

30 allegro  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:37:11pm

re: #29 goddamnedfrank

I can't wait until HBO's The Newsroom covers all this in two years:

Oops. Another of those many "technicalities." Sure are a lot of those suckers.

31 krypto  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:43:35pm

There are already three and a half years of far better reasons than Bain Capital to vote against Romney or any other Republican.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:43:58pm

I'm not sure I would have advised Rahm to go there.

But I'm laughing anyway.

33 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:44:32pm

WND completes its transition to being a front end for Stormfront, with an extremely loud dog-whistling title: BLOGGER: WHY DON'T BLACKS BEHAVE?

They are not even trying to cover it up anymore.

Remember, these are some of the people Romney has to court to vote for him in order to win, and that pretty much explains what Romney does.

34 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:47:17pm

re: #27 freetoken

Romney has several weak fronts, and one of them is still his Mormonism...

It is mostly a problem with the Religious Right. For less religious voters, it is not a deal-breaker or even a problem, just a bit of an eyebrow-raiser because it is associated with a very male-dominated and rather secretive hierarchy, one with its own private agenda which we know little or nothing about.

35 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:47:46pm

Bombshell, guys. Obama is over.


[Link: exopolitics.blogs.com...]

36 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:48:03pm

re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm not sure I would have advised Rahm to go there.

But I'm laughing anyway.

I can't really see a downside here. Those who hate Obama were already pissed, while those who are undecided are not likely to see one candidate accusing the other of "dirty politics" as anything more than pot calling the kettle black.

37 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:48:10pm

fuck

38 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:50:17pm

re: #36 Targetpractice

...while those who are undecided are not likely to see one candidate accusing the other of "dirty politics" as anything more than pot calling the kettle black.

That is a racist statement!!!


///

39 nines09  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:52:08pm

I suggest Mitt take a short vacation to somewhere south of the equator. That way he can see everything going down the drain counter clockwise.

40 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:52:24pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Bombshell, guys. Obama is over.

[Link: exopolitics.blogs.com...]

OMG! It must be true, because there really is a College of the Siskiyous and it's in WEED, california!!!

41 Sionainn  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:52:56pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Bombshell, guys. Obama is over.

[Link: exopolitics.blogs.com...]

Bwahahahahaha. What planet are these guys from?

42 jaunte  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:53:04pm

HotAir commenters are grumpy this afternoon.

BAINERS, duh!
All you COMPLAINERS who were foolish enough to vote for this flawed candidate in the primary pat yourself on the back for giving the worse president in the history of this country an opening and a chance for re-election.
You wizards of smart can take your complainin somewhere else.
Dumb-Ø has a record now and instead of aggressively attacking your flawed candidate is on defense, defense, defense. Pathetic.
You wanted this flawed candidate, you own it, shut up.
A vote for Etch-a-sketch in the primary was a vote for Obama in the general
Be careful what you wish for, you just might get it.

Sure glad Romney solidified his communication team by bringing on Kevin Madden. LOL.
This guy is your typical squish Repub. While Obama’s Cutter rolls out all the leftwing lies in machine gun fashion, Madden sounded like an intern for a law firm – on his heels and ill informed with legalize fine print.

43 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:53:15pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

!!! this is going to blow up. i can't believe how blind we all were

44 jaunte  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:54:23pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Chrononauts!

45 abolitionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:56:10pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Bombshell guys. Obama is over.

[Link: exopolitics.blogs.com...]

That hand-drawn white tulip that Dr Bishop got in the mail was so cool. Maybe Dr Peck didn't send it after all.

46 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:56:14pm

re: #41 Sionainn

the comments are gold

47 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:57:34pm

And Trump helps lead the wingnut charge:

48 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:57:38pm

re: #43 SpaceJesus

!!! this is going to blow up. i can't believe how blind we all were

...

The CIA and U.S. national security apparatus surrounding U.S. President Barack Obama will do everything in its power during the 2012 election year to suppress evidence that (1) Mr. Obama was part of a secret teleportation jump room program using Grey extraterrestrial technology to reach synthetic quantum environments (SQEs), destinations architected by Grey extraterrestrials.

The CIA apparatus has been suppressing evidence that (2) Mr. Obama has been since 1980 a full time covert CIA operative, deployed to infiltrate, perform surveillance on and report back on community activist, Leftist, African nationalist, and Islamic circles.

The CIA apparatus has been suppressing evidence that (3) Mr. Obama was pre-identified in 1971 via quantum access time travel as a future U.S. President and essentially briefed and groomed for the job by CIA since 1980.

The subject matter of Barack Obama's identity as (1) a life-long CIA operative/asset and (2) pre-identified as a future U.S. President in 1971 by the CIA using DARPA time travel technology will be explored in a Sunday Sept 9, 2012 ExoUniversity.org Forum, entitled: “Who is Barack Obama?: The Time Travel/Teleportation Connection” with Andrew D. Basiago & Alfred Lambremont Webre.

You'd think something like getting the birth certificate right would have been higher on the agenda....

49 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:58:12pm

re: #28 jaunte

"Looking Presidential."

Not with that hair he doesn't.

50 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:58:23pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Bombshell, guys. Obama is over.

[Link: exopolitics.blogs.com...]

this is truly shocking

the appearance of these two angels was so attractive that the whole city of Sodomites wanted to have sex with them. Were these "angels" in fact genetically refined Pleiadians? My father worked in highly black projects for a contractor in Silicon Valley and he told me a few tidbits but being a man of very high integrity would not reveal more simply because he had promised someone namely his employer that he would not. He passed on 10 years ago. Scripture when read carefully with an open mind reveals many aspects of the issues that this website addresses. The one above is only a small example. Do not believe what any church tells you or any organized religion but DO read the biblical account for more information on the subject than any other source I have found.

i'll have to vote for ron paul now

51 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:58:55pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

you see, the grays aren't very good with adobe

52 jaunte  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:59:04pm

re: #48 wrenchwench

At last, this finally explains how Obama was able to go back and place those birth announcements in the Honolulu papers.

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:59:21pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

And Trump helps lead the wingnut charge:

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Wait, applications? I thought he wanted transcripts. Do they even keep applications for thirty-plus years?

54 Sionainn  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 1:59:44pm

re: #46 SpaceJesus

the comments are gold

WOW!

55 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:00:51pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

Funny.

Which leads me to this irony:

Your link reminds me of a dream I had yesterday. It was right before I woke up so I was able to remember it rather well, and it stuck with me the rest of the day:

I was speaking with some others, and someone asked me, as if I implied the opposite and they were seeking assurance, if Queen Elizabeth II was from our galaxy, and I assured them that she was. This was in a room, with a chalkboard, on which I was correcting someone else's work, specifically, erasing the upper left quadrant of what looked similar to the textbook graphic of Standard Model of Elementary Particles, as if their understanding of physics needed some alteration.

Then I somehow teleported myself (through a square tunnel in the ceiling) to another planet, where there was an extensive USAF run (clear by the signs on the buildings) town, set in a mountainous area, with buildings for children as well as adults. What struck me as odd was that the trees, appearing as if from Earth's Pinus genus, had birds in them that phenotypically one would think of as chickens but were colored more like parrots, with yellow upper bodies and green feathered lower halfs.


***

I'll just take all of this as my subconscious reminding me I, along with the Queen, are indeed intergalactic travelers, and heck, if you insist, Obama is probably one of us too.

56 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:00:56pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

Wait, applications? I thought he wanted transcripts. Do they even keep applications for thirty-plus years?

According to the Birthers, Obama's college applications would include proof of any number of things, the prevailing theories being that he either applied under a different name or under foreign citizenship.

57 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:01:00pm

re: #50 engineer cat

this is truly shocking

the appearance of these two angels was so attractive that the whole city of Sodomites wanted to have sex with them. Were these "angels" in fact genetically refined Pleiadians? My father worked in highly black projects for a contractor in Silicon Valley and he told me a few tidbits but being a man of very high integrity would not reveal more simply because he had promised someone namely his employer that he would not. He passed on 10 years ago. Scripture when read carefully with an open mind reveals many aspects of the issues that this website addresses. The one above is only a small example. Do not believe what any church tells you or any organized religion but DO read the biblical account for more information on the subject than any other source I have found.

i'll have to vote for ron paul now

It's a true fact that in order to be the victim or intended victim of a gang-rape, you must be stunning, and 'genetically refined'. Regular people, or angels, just don't get that many folks interested in them.

///(Scripture, when read with an eye to conspiracy theories, produces some of the weirdest shit ever.)

58 dragonath  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:01:05pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

Bet Trump can't wait for the next White House Correspondent's Dinner.

59 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:02:43pm

re: #33 freetoken

WND completes its transition to being a front end for Stormfront, with an extremely loud dog-whistling title: BLOGGER: WHY DON'T BLACKS BEHAVE?

They are not even trying to cover it up anymore.

Remember, these are some of the people Romney has to court to vote for him in order to win, and that pretty much explains what Romney does.

Good grief.

Notice that the "Blogger" of the title is actually an African American guy himself, which gives the WND race-baiters their ready-made excuse.

You should write up a Page about a couple of these hideous WND articles and their comments. (A definite promotion for that one.)

60 nines09  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:04:10pm

re: #47 Targetpractice

And Trump helps lead the wingnut charge:

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Donald Trump. Yet more proof that money does not buy, nor can it buy, class.

61 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:05:39pm

re: #60 nines09

Donald Trump. Yet more proof that money does not buy, nor can it buy, class.

True, true. Now there's an even better question to ask Willard: "Will you release your tax records if Obama releases his college transcripts?" My guess is all we'll get is the sound of crickets.

62 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:05:42pm
63 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:07:23pm

re: #62 Charles Johnson

If Twitter were ever to institute sound effects, that tweet would be the definitive example of the kind that needs a rim shot.

64 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:07:27pm

Imagine telling that to the IRS: "I don't count that money as income, as I'm retroactively retired, so I won't be paying the income taxes on it."

65 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:08:36pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

You should write up a Page about a couple of these hideous WND articles and their comments. (A definite promotion for that one.)

I don't know ... did you read his #55?

/

66 Big Joe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:11:06pm

I wasn't cheating on my wife, I was retroactively dating.

67 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:11:40pm

re: #65 wrenchwench

Speaking of UFO's and Mitt Romney and his "retirement", Mitt could always use the "time compression" excuse the USAF came up with:

The second report, released in 1997, concluded that reports of recovered alien bodies were likely a combination of innocently transformed memories of military accidents involving injured or killed personnel, innocently transformed memories of the recovery of anthropomorphic dummies in military programs like Project High Dive conducted in the 1950s, and hoaxes perpetrated by various witnesses and UFO proponents. The psychological effects of time compression and confusion about when events occurred explained the discrepancy with the years in question. These reports were dismissed by UFO proponents as being either disinformation or simply implausible. However, numerous high-profile UFO researchers discount the possibility that the incident had anything to do with aliens.

68 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:11:56pm

i think romney used the jump room to go back to 1999 and retire himself

69 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:12:08pm

re: #66 Big Joe

I wasn't cheating on my wife, I was retroactively dating.

That's a tweet begging to happen.

70 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:12:31pm

OT Actress Celeste Holm is dead at age 95. Read the rest of the story: [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

71 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:14:35pm

And just in case anybody wasn't clear:

Obama says he won't apologize to Romney

"No. We will not apologize," Obama said in an interview taped Saturday with WAVY-TV in Portsmouth, Va., and posted on the station's website Sunday. "Mr. Romney claims he's Mr. Fix-it for the economy because of his business experience, so I think voters entirely legitimately want to know what is exactly his business experience."

72 kg7u  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:17:11pm

re: #34 Expand Your Ground

It is mostly a problem with the Religious Right. For less religious voters, it is not a deal-breaker or even a problem, just a bit of an eyebrow-raiser because it is associated with a very male-dominated and rather secretive hierarchy, one with its own private agenda which we know little or nothing about.

It's more than an "eye raiser" for anyone who values intellectual honesty, vide "The Book of Abraham" matter, (use the Google) and how it has been handled by the LDS, for just one malodorous example. To continue to belong to, and defend, such a religion, says a great deal about a person's ability to maintain cognitive dissonance. But, then, we already know that RMoney has that ability.

73 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:17:14pm
74 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:19:40pm

And Rahm with the clincher:

Obama's allies also pushed Romney to release more than the one year of tax returns he has shared. Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel, Obama's former top White House aide, noted Romney released 23 years of taxes to 2008 GOP nominee John McCain so he could be considered as a vice presidential nominee.

"John McCain's people looked at it and went with Sarah Palin" as the No. 2 on the ticket that year. "Whatever is in there is far worse than the first year," Emanuel said. "The Romney campaign isn't stupid. They have decided that it's better to get attacked on a lack of transparency, lack of accountability to the American people, versus telling you what's in those taxes."

That one's gonna leave a mark.

75 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:19:59pm

Some Redstate posters are in denial about how damaging this will be to Romney, some see the point and are worried about losing Ind. voters.
I can always count on Redstate for a heaping bowl of schadenfreude.

76 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:22:05pm

re: #72 kg7u

The origination of religions is a bit of touchy topic. Speaking of putting up Pages, which I have lazily not done in a while, I've got drafts of ones covering Jesus, and also for mythical origins of Judaism, but both are on the indefinite back-burner.

77 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:22:22pm

Rahm Emanuel should worry less about the presidential election and more about getting Chicago's crime problems under control.

Do yourself a favor, Rahm: Hire some NYPD veterans and get Chicago a COMPSTAT program. Because every time high-profile crimes get perpetrated while you're shilling for Obama, your changes of being a one-term mayor go up a little more.

78 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:23:16pm

Obama's inciting them so that he can have justification for his domestic police force that is just as powerful, and just as well funded as the Army, Navy, Marines & Air Force. Every dictator needs his own brown-shirt thugs to cow the people. Baby Doc Obama wants his own Tonton Macoutes so he can sleep well, knowing his political enemies are in check, or dead.

Yours truly,
Wing Nut Daily

79 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:23:56pm

re: #72 kg7u

It's more than an "eye raiser" for anyone who values intellectual honesty, vide "The Book of Abraham" matter, (use the Google) and how it has been handled by the LDS, for just one malodorous example. To continue to belong to, and defend, such a religion, says a great deal about a person's ability to maintain cognitive dissonance. But, then, we already know that RMoney has that ability.

Similar things could be said about the Catholics or a lot of other religious groups, but when it comes to Mormons, it is less a matter of their wierd underwear, retroactively baptizing dead people (a trend here, no?) and teetotaling, it is their tightly-knit, male-dominated heirarchy that tells us a bit about Mitt's mindset.

80 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:24:48pm

re: #74 Targetpractice

And Rahm with the clincher:

That one's gonna leave a mark.

Rahm's either been reading LGF or Kos. Or both.

81 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:25:28pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Rahm Emanuel should worry less about the presidential election and more about getting Chicago's crime problems under control.

Do yourself a favor, Rahm: Hire some NYPD veterans and get Chicago a COMPSTAT program. Because every time high-profile crimes get perpetrated while you're shilling for Obama, your changes of being a one-term mayor go up a little more.

Most everyone I know living in Chicago tells me Rahm E is a a real dick of a mayor. But he has favors to pay back, so he is just pitching in and doing his share.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:32:26pm

re: #81 Expand Your Ground

Most everyone I know living in Chicago tells me Rahm E is a a real dick of a mayor. But he has favors to pay back, so he is just pitching in and doing his share.

I had decent hopes for the man, and my parents voted for him, my father doing so on my strong recommendation. I issued that recommendation because I believed Rahm would be the candidate most likely to do well as mayor. But those hopes have not been fulfilled and crime is on the rise.

83 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:34:20pm

Oops, posted this in the wrong thread:

David Frum: Romney: Too Weak?

Ouch.

84 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:35:11pm

re: #82 Dark_Falcon

Are you from Chicago? I grew up in Gary, Indiana, so I was raised on Chicago politics, even though we were outside them directly.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:42:47pm

re: #84 Expand Your Ground

Are you from Chicago? I grew up in Gary, Indiana, so I was raised on Chicago politics, even though we were outside them directly.

I am indeed from Chicago, born and raised, though I currently live in one of the Near Northwest Suburbs. I work in downtown Chicago, though, and my parents live in the city.

86 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:42:55pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Oops, posted this in the wrong thread:

David Frum: Romney: Too Weak?

Ouch.

Frum just Can't. Let. Go.

The hope for many of us was that a Republican president could do a better job constraining them than Barack Obama has been able to do - especially if (as I personally also hoped) the very act of electing such a president would deflate the radicalism of the congressional GOP and revive a more constructive spirit.

87 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:44:30pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Rahm Emanuel should worry less about the presidential election and more about getting Chicago's crime problems under control.

Do yourself a favor, Rahm: Hire some NYPD veterans and get Chicago a COMPSTAT program. Because every time high-profile crimes get perpetrated while you're shilling for Obama, your changes of being a one-term mayor go up a little more.

Crime levels respond directly to economic states, so 'shilling' for Obama is a way of affecting crime, although global economics is not in the control of any president.

88 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:44:51pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Frum just Can't. Let. Go.

Really does sound like a battered wife. "He can change, I know he can!"

89 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:45:42pm

Can I get a retroactive paycheck for the next two years?
That'd be awesome.

90 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:45:45pm

re: #88 Targetpractice

Really does sound like a battered wife. "He can change, I know he can!"

"If he would just find a job and stop drinking so much!"

91 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:48:40pm

re: #78 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

Yours truly,
Wing Nut Daily

That is indeed how Joseph Farah thinks. His most recent creed openly compares Barack Obama to Benito Mussolini. Farah uses Jonah Goldberg's Liberal Fascism as his stated guide for the comparison, but the real guide is Farah's own delusional hate and rage. Though Liberal Fascism's argument has been quite thoroughly debunked, I am sure Goldberg would not be so dishonest as to associate PRes. Obama with a brutal dictator. But for Joseph Farah, such lies and insults are just par for the course.

92 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:49:20pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Oops, posted this in the wrong thread:

David Frum: Romney: Too Weak?

Ouch.

Hey, CL! The article makes sense in an odd way, begging the question:

When has Mittens ever *had* to be tough? The guy was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. He had a chunk of change to found Bain. It was a well run company of its type, but again, the whole modus operandi of such companies is to use as much of other people's money as you can leverage.

93 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:51:48pm

re: #92 austin_blue

Hey, CL! The article makes sense in an odd way, begging the question:

When has Mittens ever *had* to be tough? The guy was born on third base and thought he hit a triple. He had a chunk of change to found Bain. It was a well run company of its type, but again, the whole modus operandi of such companies is to use as much of other people's many as you can leverage.

Smack!

3 demerits for employing one of my pet peeves.

Look up 'begging the question'.

94 Summer Lovin' Torture Party  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:51:54pm

re: #83 CuriousLurker

Oops, posted this in the wrong thread:

David Frum: Romney: Too Weak?

Ouch.

From the comments section:

Mitt's ability to degrade himself continues to impress me. He slowly, methodically, efficiently eviscerated himself. Having eroded any shred of pragmatism in the policies he promotes on the campaign trail and having carefully threaded the needle in the way he frames his business experience, is it a surprise that Obama had such an easy time painting Romney a fool? I anticipate at least 6 more issues that will make Romney look as bad as he has this past week, if not worse. The guy's contradicted his own words and actions. He's done it on audio, on video, in writing, in spirit, in practice. He's muddled himself into an incoherent mess.

Crack of the bat...admires handiwork while rounding first...upper deck.

95 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:52:01pm

re: #92 austin_blue

Mitt also took the easy route to the nomination, disowning his past and playing to the base, assuming he could etch-a-sketch his way back to the middle.

He could have stuck to his more moderate policies, but it would've meant an open convention and a real nasty fight that would have really cost the party.

Now the lesson they will take away from this campaign is that "we should have nominated a True Conservative"

96 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:52:33pm

re: #93 b_sharp

you, me, and scalia share the seem peeve.

97 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:54:00pm

re: #96 SpaceJesus

you, me, and scalia share the seem peeve.

I hope they get their just deserts

(go look that one up, it threw me until recently)

98 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:54:04pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Frum just Can't. Let. Go.

Heh, yeah, he keeps hoping against hope. Not gonna happen, the GOP and Romney have painted themselves into a corner.

99 blueraven  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:54:11pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

Rahm Emanuel should worry less about the presidential election and more about getting Chicago's crime problems under control.

Do yourself a favor, Rahm: Hire some NYPD veterans and get Chicago a COMPSTAT program. Because every time high-profile crimes get perpetrated while you're shilling for Obama, your changes of being a one-term mayor go up a little more.

Are you also willing to spend money for the other things NYC did?

The introduction of COMPSTAT happened alongside:

The training and deployment of around 5,000 new better-educated police officers
The integration of New York's housing and transit police into the New York Police Department
Police decision-making being devolved to precinct level
The clearing of a backlog of 50,000 unserved warrants
Robust "zero tolerance" campaign against petty crime and anti-social behavior under Mayor Giuliani and Police Commissioner Bill Bratton
Widespread removal of graffiti
Programs that moved over 500,000 people into jobs from welfare at a time of economic buoyancy
Offering housing vouchers to enable poor families to move to better neighborhoods.
Demographic changes including a generation raised in the social welfare systems started in the 1970s and 1980s.
End of the crack epidemic and a shift to a marijuana-based drug economy with a larger consumer base and less competition.
Advances in medicine play a role in the declining number of homicides.
Gentrification, displacement of lower income individuals more likely to commit crimes from gentrifying or gentrified communities.

100 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:54:31pm

re: #87 b_sharp

Crime levels respond directly to economic states, so 'shilling' for Obama is a way of affecting crime, although global economics is not in the control of any president.

New York City, however, has not suffered the same crime jump that Chicago has, nor has Los Angeles. Both of those cities have controlled crime through effective policing tactics which Chicago has refused to employ.

Note: Houston is also a large city employing COMPSTAT that has dealt effectively with crime, but the current oil boom in Houston means its local economy has not felt the same level of recession felt elsewhere.

101 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:54:39pm

re: #97 Expand Your Ground

I hope they get their just deserts

(go look that one up, it threw me until recently)

Just deserts, or just desserts?

102 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:55:10pm

re: #96 SpaceJesus

you, me, and scalia share the seem peeve.

You guys gotta let go. I tell you, my life is so much easier now that I don't care about how the word 'hopefully' is misused.

Just don't get me started on 'if' vs. 'whether'.

103 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:56:13pm

re: #101 b_sharp

Just deserts, or just desserts?

deserts.

really, although it is prounounced like "desserts", it has nothing to do with a sweet treat after dinner, it comes from the root "deserve" and applies only in that case.

104 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:57:32pm

re: #95 Expand Your Ground

Mitt also took the easy route to the nomination, disowning his past and playing to the base, assuming he could etch-a-sketch his way back to the middle.

He could have stuck to his more moderate policies, but it would've meant an open convention and a real nasty fight that would have really cost the party.

Now the lesson they will take away from this campaign is that "we should have nominated a True Conservative"

He can't really make that run for the center, but damned if he won't try after the convention. Part of how successful he is depends on how batshit insane the party's platform is when hashed out at the convention itself.

105 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 2:58:35pm

re: #95 Expand Your Ground

Now the lesson they will take away from this campaign is that "we should have nominated a True Conservative"

The activist base will surely think that but the party insiders, who really run things, might think different. The reality is that anyone electable would not get the nomination without pandering to the Tea Party nuts, any Tea Party nut might get the nomination but would surely lose the election. What Frum realizes is that the party needs to be brought back to earth.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:00:12pm

re: #99 blueraven

Are you also willing to spend money for the other things NYC did?

I'm for those things, but some of them can't be done right now. Major welfare to work and neighborhood improvement programs must wait for a better economy. But those other measures used to turn the NYPD around can and should be employed. If that requires a cash infusion to do it, I'd support at least a temporary tax to raise that money, since lower crime will increase economic productivity and offset the impact of the tax.

107 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:01:23pm

re: #99 blueraven

Are you also willing to spend money for the other things NYC did?

And there's also the downside.

On the tape, a police captain, Alex Perez, can be heard warning his top commanders that their officers must start writing more summonses or face consequences. Captain Perez offered a precise number and suggested a method. He said that officers on a particular shift should write — as a group — 20 summonses a week: five each for double-parking, parking at a bus stop, driving without a seat belt and driving while using a cellphone.

“You, as bosses, have to demand this and have to count it,” Captain Perez said, citing pressure from top police officials. At another point, Captain Perez emphasized his willingness to punish officers who do not meet the targets, saying, “I really don’t have a problem firing people.”

The recording is the latest in a series of audiotapes from the precinct that have raised concerns among community leaders and residents of the neighborhoods it covers, Brownsville and Bedford-Stuyvesant. Those Brooklyn residents contend that the tapes show a department fixated on the number of summonses and low-level arrests, and that the result is a pattern of harassment.

Critics say this is the flip side of CompStat, the Police Department analysis system that has been credited with bringing down major crimes but faulted as creating a numbers-driven culture.

108 andres  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:02:29pm

re: #71 Targetpractice

And just in case anybody wasn't clear:

Obama says he won't apologize to Romney

It is said that you should talk quietly and carry a big stick. Obama confirms this wisdom.

109 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:03:04pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

The activist base will surely think that but the party insiders, who really run things, might think different. The reality is that anyone electable would not get the nomination without pandering to the Tea Party nuts, any Tea Party nut might get the nomination but would surely lose the election. What Frum realizes is that the party needs to be brought back to earth.

Frum's deluded himself into believing there's a core of moderateness within the party, one that can take things back if the TPers are dealt a crippling blow. The reality is that the party has been running the moderates out on a rail for years and that it openly embraced the TPers back in '10 as the means to taking back Congress.

110 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:03:28pm

re: #96 SpaceJesus

you, me, and scalia share the seem peeve.

You, Scalia and I?

Speaking of peeves.

111 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:04:48pm

The Romney camp has requested that the president apologize to Mitt Romney to which President Obama sends the following response:

"Nuts!"

112 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:05:50pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

You guys gotta let go. I tell you, my life is so much easier now that I don't care about how the word 'hopefully' is misused.

Just don't get me started on 'if' vs. 'whether'.

The 'begging the question' peeve bothers me because it's a logic phrase with a specific meaning in a narrow field. The others are just part of the general language.

113 AK-47%  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:06:46pm

re: #110 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

You, Scalia and I?

Speaking of peeves.

Just heard this one on Steven Fry's "QI" program(me)

"Knock Knock"

"Who's there?"

"To"

"To who?"

"To WHOM, surely..."

114 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:09:02pm

re: #110 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

You, Scalia and I?

Speaking of peeves.

I gave up on that one a while back when it became clear most people have no idea how to determine when to use 'I' or 'me'.

115 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:09:53pm

re: #105 Killgore Trout

... What Frum realizes is that the party needs to be brought back to earth.

As if the GOP base really is that heavenly minded... which brings me to another article. Yesterday Ross Douthat put up an article Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?, and assuming Douthat is asking the question seriously, his answer is sort of tepid at best but he does make a point that there are important issues at stake in having a religion concerned with social issues.

Yet that doesn't stop the HotWingnuts from chiming in today and totally ignoring Douthat's bigger point with blather about how evil "liberals" are. Then again, that site is part of Salem Communications, a company wholly owned by right wing theocratic fundamentalists (something Morrissey and AP never admit in their writings.)

116 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:12:08pm

re: #93 b_sharp

Smack!

3 demerits for employing one of my pet peeves.

Look up 'begging the question'.

Irregardless.

117 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:12:34pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

Irregardless.

Thank you Captain Sobel.

//

118 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:13:03pm

re: #116 Varek Raith

Irregardless.

I could cares less.

119 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:13:48pm
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Greetings, non-hatchling.

120 blueraven  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:13:57pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

I'm for those things, but some of them can't be done right now. Major welfare to work and neighborhood improvement programs must wait for a better economy. But those other measures used to turn the NYPD around can and should be employed. If that requires a cash infusion to do it, I'd support at least a temporary tax to raise that money, since lower crime will increase economic productivity and offset the impact of the tax.

Well that's good, but do you really think that is going to happen right now?

Cities are cutting back, not spending more. I dont think you can blame Rahm for the crime rate. He has just as much right to go out and advocate for his candidate as any other mayor, governor, senator (yeah they work hard!) etc...

121 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:13:58pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

I could cares less.

Tow the line.

122 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:14:25pm

re: #119 wrenchwench

Greetings, non-hatchling.

Retroactively registered.

123 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:14:36pm

re: #121 CuriousLurker

Tow the line.

Your point is mute.

124 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:15:15pm

re: #122 Mocking Jay

Retroactively registered.

Victim of a time-compression incident.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:15:18pm

re: #115 freetoken

As if the GOP base really is that heavenly minded... which brings me to another article. Yesterday Ross Douthat put up an article Can Liberal Christianity Be Saved?, and assuming Douthat is asking the question seriously, his answer is sort of tepid at best but he does make a point that there are important issues at stake in having a religion concerned with social issues.

Yet that doesn't stop the HotWingnuts from chiming in today and totally ignoring Douthat's bigger point with blather about how evil "liberals" are. Then again, that site is part of Salem Communications, a company wholly owned by right wing theocratic fundamentalists (something Morrissey and AP never admit in their writings.)

And that's the big issue, right there: Ross Douthat is a serious person who actually wants things to get done. The wingnuts hating on liberals as 'evil' are focused on purity to the point that they'd rather fail and stay pure in their doctrine than make minor compromises to gain actual results that would move the country in the direction they claim to think it should go.

126 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:15:28pm

re: #123 Gus

Your point is mute.

Really?

Some people use mute for moot?

127 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:16:10pm

re: #124 wrenchwench

Victim of a time-compression incident.

Keep fucking that chicken.

/not sure I'm doing it right.

128 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:16:18pm

re: #126 b_sharp

Really?

Some people use mute for moot?

Yep. I've done it.

Just bare with me.

//

129 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:16:28pm

Wreck havoc.

130 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:16:34pm

re: #123 Gus

Your point is mute.

Loose (instead of lose).

131 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:17:12pm

re: #128 Gus

Yep. I've done it.

Just bare with me.

//

Righteous! Nude beach time.

132 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:17:19pm

re: #130 CuriousLurker

Loose (instead of lose).

Noone knows why.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:17:39pm

re: #120 blueraven

Well that's good, but do you really think that is going to happen right now?

Cities are cutting back, not spending more. I dont think you can blame Rahm for the crime rate. He has just as much right to go out and advocate for his candidate as any other mayor, governor, senator (yeah they work hard!) etc...

Yes, he can be blamed. He should push for effective policies, not try to pass blame to others. If the buck stopped at Mitt Romney's desk at Bain while he was CEO, then it currently stops at Rahm Emanuel's desk while he is Chicago's mayor.

134 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:18:09pm

Noo-nee

135 b_sharp  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:18:12pm

BBL

136 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:18:32pm

I notice that the Romney allies are employing many MBFs on throughout the internet, focusing on the Obama's foreign income, essentially saying that Romney is no different than Obama.

For example, this CEI shill:


Obama and Romney pay taxes on their foreign income.

What they ignore is that the Obama's have books they are still selling worldwide, and that is why they have income streaming in from other countries.

OTOH, Romney has his money in well known tax havens in the Caribbean, where all the world's nefarious hide their money from prying governments.

137 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:18:33pm

re: #134 Gus

Noo-nee

Nanu nanu?

138 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:19:33pm

Nip it in the butt.

139 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:21:00pm

re: #33 freetoken

WND completes its transition to being a front end for Stormfront, with an extremely loud dog-whistling title: BLOGGER: WHY DON'T BLACKS BEHAVE?

They are not even trying to cover it up anymore.

Remember, these are some of the people Romney has to court to vote for him in order to win, and that pretty much explains what Romney does.

The video at that link and the gist of the article is about incidences in Milwaukee. Where I live. I'll tell you this 90% of the white people I know or have acquaintances with in Milwaukee and especially the surrounding community are straight up racists. To even suggest that black people are equal in this community to these teabillies is to commit heresy.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:21:15pm

re: #117 Gus

Thank you Captain Sobel.

//

Untrue. Neither Sith nor Jedi can possess the Combat Paralysis trait Sobel suffered from. The very nature of their Force sensitivity precludes this.

Sobel was a junior version of Braxton Bragg, but thankfully his colonel figured that out and ensured he did not rise any higher.

141 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:21:58pm

BBIAB

142 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:22:16pm

re: #114 b_sharp

I gave up on that one a while back when it became clear most people have no idea how to determine when to use 'I' or 'me'.

It's really not difficult - you just eliminate the other person or people from the noun phrase and see what you have left. I don't know anyone (Tarzan aside) who would say "Me share the same peeve."

143 blueraven  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:23:35pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he can be blamed. He should push for effective policies, not try to pass blame to others. If the buck stopped at Mitt Romney's desk at Bain while he was CEO, then it currently stops at Rahm Emanuel's desk while he is Chicago's mayor.

So crime wasn't a problem before he got elected?

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't do anything about it, but programs cost money.
Also, chew gum/walk

144 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:23:37pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he can be blamed. He should push for effective policies, not try to pass blame to others. If the buck stopped at Mitt Romney's desk at Bain while he was CEO, then it currently stops at Rahm Emanuel's desk while he is Chicago's mayor.

Of course you realize that your man Romney is arguing that the buck did not stop with him.

CRAWFORD: But you say it's ridiculous. But why is there this discrepancy? You said you left Bain in 1999 yet Bain is listing you as CEO up until 2002, so why were you listed as CEO until 2002?

GOV. ROMNEY: The documents show that there's a difference between ownership, which is I owned shares in Bain, but I did not manage Bain. I left as everyone knows to go out and run the Olympics in February of 1999. I was full-time running the Olympics. I had no role whatsoever in the management of Bain after I went off to the Olympics. And that's been demonstrated by people who work at Bain, by all of the documents, but I still retained an ownership interest, I had the capacity if I were not on leave, if I were actually wanting to run the business to do so, but I did not. I left. And that's been demonstrated time and time again.

CRAWFORD: Even if you weren't making these daily managerial decisions, though, doesn't the buck stop with you?

GOV. ROMNEY: Actually when you leave an enterprise, when you have other people who are managing the enterprise, who take responsibility for all the investment decisions, who decide who's going to get hired and fired, who decide compensation decisions, they're the managers, they're the people running the business. I left the business and went off to run the Olympics, did that full time and after three years, when the Olympics were over, we arranged my departure officially from a retirement standpoint.

You were right when you said he stands for nothing but his own desire to be president.

145 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:24:14pm

Oh please, invite her, we need something to make it entertaining now the Ron Paul won't be automatically given time to speak:

Romney’s Palin Problem: Where’s Her Convention Invite?

Mitt still hasn’t invited Sarah to the GOP’s nomination assembly in Tampa, and the Tea Party is livid. Peter J. Boyer on how the snub could sabotage Romney’s tenuous ties to the grassroots—and why Palin is keeping the week open, just in case.

146 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:24:46pm

re: #132 Gus

Noone knows why.

It's a whole 'nother thing.

I even hear this on the news occasionally (and have been guilty of it myself at times). It's weird the way we chop of the "a" of "another" and turn it into an indefinite article.

147 freetoken  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:25:40pm

Dear Mitt:

Please pick Sarah as your VP. Pretty please. I'll even send you money.

xox freetoken

148 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:26:06pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

I was full-time running the Olympics.

And where are his medals? I think he wasted his time.

149 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:26:07pm

re: #145 freetoken

Oh please, invite her, we need something to make it entertaining now the Ron Paul won't be automatically given time to speak:

Romney’s Palin Problem: Where’s Her Convention Invite?

Yeah, I'm kinda surprised they didn't invite her. I'd think they'd want Caribou Barbie where they can see her and make sure she's behaving herself, rather than sending nastygrams via Twitter and Fox.

150 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:26:17pm

re: #143 blueraven

So crime wasn't a problem before he got elected?

I'm not suggesting he shouldn't do anything about it, but programs cost money.
Also, chew gum/walk

I think Rahm has responsibility for how his city is governed, but where the analogy breaks down is that he didn't sign off on documents under oath authorizing an increase in crime. That's what Romney did, as CEO/Chairman/President/sole shareholder with the Stericycle deal and many others, put his name down okaying the activity.

151 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:27:40pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

Of course you realize that your man Romney is arguing that the buck did not stop with him.

You were right when you said he stands for nothing but his own desire to be president.

I find it cute that he's trying to convince folks that he was just one guy who owned stock in Bain, rather than the reality that he was the only guy who had stock in Bain and could have used that power to overrule any decisions he didn't agree with.

152 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:29:38pm

Got some coding to do. BBL

153 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:30:02pm

re: #144 goddamnedfrank

So.
Frankly I'm tired of this election cycle as of three months ago!
..and President Obama telling anyone to stop whining is laughable!
...and yes! the use of 'frankly' was a pun...
How the hell is everyone??

154 blueraven  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:31:05pm

re: #150 goddamnedfrank

I think Rahm has responsibility for how his city is governed, but where the analogy breaks down is that he didn't sign off on documents under oath to increase crime. That's what Romney did, as CEO/Chairman/President/sole shareholder with the Stericycle deal and many others.

Agree, but DF makes it sound as though Rahm has no business on a Sunday talk show while there is crime.

If Romney can run the Olympics while he is CEO of Bain, surely...

155 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:31:59pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

It's a whole 'nother thing.

I even hear this on the news occasionally (and have been guilty of it myself at times). It's weird the way we chop of the "a" of "another" and turn it into an indefinite article.

Masonary.

Double negatives.

156 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:32:07pm

re: #151 Targetpractice

I find it cute that he's trying to convince folks that he was just one guy who owned stock in Bain, rather than the reality that he was the only guy who had stock in Bain and could have used that power to overrule any decisions he didn't agree with.

The people who are going to vote for him anyway are inured to hearing half truths. Being blatantly lied to by their own side doesn't phase them at all. They see everything as a game and even the dirtiest, slimiest tactics are fair as long as it their side employing them.

157 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:32:45pm

re: #148 wrenchwench

And where are his medals? I think he wasted his time.

Actually he did a great job!!
He saved Utah and the LDS church and *ahem*business people(corrupt)
a great deal of embarrassment!!

158 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:35:52pm

re: #157 reloadingisnotahobby

Actually he did a great job!!
He saved Utah and the LDS church and *ahem*business people(corrupt)
a great deal of embarrassment!!

I take it you're not happy about the way the Bain story is affecting Romney?

And where ya been?

159 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:37:19pm

re: #146 CuriousLurker

It's a whole 'nother thing.

I even hear this on the news occasionally (and have been guilty of it myself at times). It's weird the way we chop of the "a" of "another" and turn it into an indefinite article.

It already was an indefinite article, just the other one. It's related to the misdivision that gave us "an apron" (from "a napron"), "an adder" (from "a næddre"), and, in the other direction, "a nickname" (from "an eke-name").

160 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:40:11pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

When the FACTS are clear I'll take a......NO I won't..I don't care anymore I guess!
I've been working on a 111 year old renovation project on top of my full time job!
I'm a Glutton for punishment.

161 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:40:21pm

Romney adviser: Obama will 'say anything' to keep job

Obama deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter charged in a conference call with reporters this week that Romney "through his own words and his own signature was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony," or was otherwise "misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments."

Romney himself said in an interview with CNN on Friday that charge was "disgusting" and "demeaning," and called on Obama and his campaign to apologize.

"It's something which I think the president should take responsibility for and stop," Romney told CNN national political correspondent Jim Acosta.

On Sunday, Gillespie echoed that sentiment, saying the charges reflected a "say anything" stance adopted by the president's campaign.

"We now know that this president will say anything to keep this highest office in the land, even if it means demeaning the highest office in the land," Gillespie said.

Calls by Democrats for Romney to release additional tax returns, Gillespie said, were distracting from an important conversation about how to increase the number of middle-class jobs in America.

162 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:40:32pm

Politico, nailing the coonskin to the wall:

In an interview today with MSNBC's Chris Hayes, Ed Conard, who served as a partner at Bain Capital from 1993 to 2007, said that Romney was "legally" CEO of Bain Capital in the three years following February 1999.

"The three years -- he is the chief executive officer during this period of time?" Hayes asked Conrad.

"Legally, on documents, I suppose, yes," Conrad replied. "But he's not attending any meetings."

As far as I can tell, this debate now hinges on a legal interpretation of the word "retire" -- specifically, does an individual retire when he announces that he will leave a company, or does he retire when he signs a separation agreement.

Conrad -- a Bain Partner -- has stated that Romney was legally CEO past 1999. It would seem to follow that he legally retired when he legally ended his tenure as CEO.

163 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:44:08pm

re: #162 goddamnedfrank

Politico, nailing the coonskin to the wall:

Not even with Googling am I able to find out what on earth that means.

164 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:45:26pm

re: #160 reloadingisnotahobby

When the FACTS are clear I'll take a...NO I won't..I don't care anymore I guess!
I've been working on a 111 year old renovation project on top of my full time job!
I'm a Glutton for punishment.

You sounded a little tense.

165 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:46:29pm

re: #161 Amory Blaine

Romney adviser: Obama will 'say anything' to keep job

We need one of these for Mittens:

166 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:46:45pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

You sounded a little tense.

Your right!!
I need to relax and ....move to Belize!!

167 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:47:06pm

re: #166 reloadingisnotahobby

Your right!!
I need to relax and ...move to Belize!!

...Yesterday!!

168 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:48:28pm

re: #165 CuriousLurker

Leave Mittney ALONE!!!tY!11!

169 reloadingisnotahobby  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:51:05pm

Ding goes the dryer....
Be well all!

170 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:51:43pm

re: #163 Mocking Jay

Not even with Googling am I able to find out what on earth that means.

It's an LBJ quote, roughly translated means "to kick [Victor Charlie] ass.

171 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:51:59pm

Cat, why are you yelling at me?!

172 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:52:19pm

Political seasons always get annoying. Consider that they last nearly two years. Once again I will repeat that a 4 year term is basically two years a very distracted president. So, going back to political seasons or election campaigns. I don't know why people on the Republican side are getting their knickers in a twist over this Bain thing. This is politics and welcome to the big time Mitt. Deal with it or as the Obama camp said "stop whining." We all remember your swift boating of John Kerry. Not only that but the continual daily barrage of bullshit from the wingnuts and Teabaggers with regards to the president ever since 2008 coming from the likes of Breitbart.com; Gateway Pundit; American Thinker; Powerline; Instapundit; Hot Air; Red State; World Net Daily; and so on.

173 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 3:53:06pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Cat, why are you yelling at me?!

Check his back for scotch tape.

//

174 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:00:56pm

re: #171 Varek Raith

Cat, why are you yelling at me?!

cat-to-english dictionary:

meerow: feed me
brrrooon: feed me
merrrtz: feed me
brrraawww!: feed me right now!
rrrrooott: let me out
merrrd: feed me

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:03:05pm

re: #147 freetoken

Dear Mitt:

Please pick Sarah as your VP. Pretty please. I'll even send you money.

xox freetoken

Don't sign letters to a married man 'xox'. Kris Jenner did that in an email to and old flame and she caught Hell when Bruce found out about it.

/This entire post is a riff on FT's posting of Kim Kardashian articles. FT is not being criticized, only gently poked fun at.

176 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:04:03pm

re: #172 Gus

I don't know why people on the Republican side are getting their knickers in a twist over this Bain thing. This is politics and welcome to the big time Mitt. Deal with it or as the Obama camp said "stop whining." We all remember your swift boating of John Kerry. Not only that but the continual daily barrage of bullshit from the wingnuts and Teabaggers with regards to the president ever since 2008 coming from the likes of Breitbart.com; Gateway Pundit; American Thinker; Powerline; Instapundit; Hot Air; Red State; World Net Daily; and so on.

THIS.

They complain about "demeaning the highest office in the land", yet they applauded Wilson for screaming "You Lie!" in the middle of POTUS' speech to a joint session of Congress, and cheered the Daily Caller's Munro for interrupting him just last month. IOKIYAR

177 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:04:42pm

It was raining. Cat was outside. Cat was very pissed.
I let cat in.
5 minutes later, cat is yelling to go back outside.
I open the door. Still raining.
Cat growls and walks away.
Rinse and repeat.

178 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:05:00pm

re: #176 CuriousLurker

THIS.

They complain about "demeaning the highest office in the land", yet they applauded Wilson for screaming "You Lie!" in the middle of POTUS' speech to a joint session of Congress, and cheered the Daily Caller's Munro for interrupting him just last month. IOKIYAR

They've been demeaning the highest office in the land since January 19, 2009.

179 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:06:01pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

I was raining. Cat was outside. Cat was very pissed.
I let cat in.
5 minutes later, cat is yelling to go back outside.
I open the door. Still raining.
Cat growls and walks away.
Rinse and repeat.

That's because he blames you for the rain.

180 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:06:33pm

re: #179 Gus

That's because he blames you for the rain.

She totally does.
At least my indoor cat is nicer. :P

181 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:06:55pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

I was raining. Cat was outside. Cat was very pissed.
I let cat in.
5 minutes later, cat is yelling to go back outside.
I open the door. Still raining.
Cat growls and walks away.
Rinse and repeat.

What, you can make food magically appear in the bowl, but you can't stop it from raining? Pfft. LOSER.

182 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:07:08pm

It's also my fault if it's windy.
God help me if it's windy.

183 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:07:47pm

re: #170 goddamnedfrank

It's an LBJ quote, roughly translated means "to kick [Victor Charlie] ass.

It's also worth noting that when LBJ said it he was not using 'coon' as a racist pejorative against African-Americans (which he sometimes did do), but rather literally was referring to a raccoon. The expression refers to killing the raccoon and nailing its hide to the wall (to dry) as proof that you killed it. Johnson was saying "We're going to defeat North Vietnam and it will be clear to the world that they have been defeated". Of course, events did not unfold in that way, but that is a story for another day.

184 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:09:02pm

re: #172 Gus

It does get annoying but I find it helpful to remember that election year politics is mostly kabuki theater. Obama doesn't really believe that Mitt committed a felony and he knows his ads aren't completely factually accurate. It's part of a calculated strategy. Mitt's feelings aren't really hurt, he's been through the same Bain allegations when he ran for governor, Newt recycled them with the King Of Bain movie. This is all repetition. When past and current presidents get together they get along fine. They don't really hate each other and any differences are more likely to be personal than political. Politics is about putting on a show. The self appointed surrogates, online activists and more likely to bring out the real political animosity and hate but to the guys at the top it's just a game.

185 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:09:14pm

re: #177 Varek Raith

I was raining. Cat was outside. Cat was very pissed.
I let cat in.
5 minutes later, cat is yelling to go back outside.
I open the door. Still raining.
Cat growls and walks away.
Rinse and repeat.

living room has french doors opening on the deck, also the front door, opening on another side of the deck

cat meowls to get in through the french doors. once in, he casually strolls over to the other end of the living room and meowls to get back out

clearly, the outside on the other side of the front door is better than the outside you get to through the french doors

186 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:09:40pm

re: #182 Varek Raith

It's also my fault if it's windy.
God help me if it's windy.

When your cat sees an airplane? She thinks it's yours. It's a trade for being their doorman, healthcare provider, maid, butler, cleaning lady, etc.

//

187 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:09:53pm

re: #185 engineer cat

living room has french doors opening on the deck, also the front door, opening on another side of the deck

cat meowls to get in through the french doors. once in, he casually strolls over to the other end of the living room and meowls to get back out

clearly, the outside on the other side of the front door is better than the outside you get to through the french doors

THIS.
Also, the downstairs back door.

188 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:10:42pm

And sometimes it has to be a specific door.
Cats....

189 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:12:05pm

re: #188 Varek Raith

Cats have servants....

190 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:12:47pm

re: #189 Dancing along the light of day

Dogs have owners. Cats have staff.

191 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:14:14pm
192 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:16:56pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Ron Paul wishes!
Image: 20411-1-1342161122.jpg

Pfft. Yuri Geller was able to do that back in 1972.

//

193 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:17:42pm

re: #184 Killgore Trout

It does get annoying but I find it helpful to remember that election year politics is mostly kabuki theater. Obama doesn't really believe that Mitt committed a felony and he knows his ads aren't completely factually accurate. It's part of a calculated strategy. Mitt's feelings aren't really hurt, he's been through the same Bain allegations when he ran for governor, Newt recycled them with the King Of Bain movie. This is all repetition. When past and current presidents get together they get along fine. They don't really hate each other and any differences are more likely to be personal than political. Politics is about putting on a show. The self appointed surrogates, online activists and more likely to bring out the real political animosity and hate but to the guys at the top it's just a game.

So presidential elections are like World Wrestling Entertainment minus the steroids.

194 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:18:44pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

So presidential elections are like World Wrestling Entertainment minus the steroids.

And the ladders.
...folding chairs.
...tables...

195 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:20:07pm

re: #193 Dark_Falcon

So presidential elections are like World Wrestling Entertainment minus the steroids.

Steroids, you say? Not a bad idea.

196 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:20:08pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Ron Paul wishes!
Image: 20411-1-1342161122.jpg

That from the new DLC?

197 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:21:00pm

re: #196 Targetpractice

That from the new DLC?

No, some silly mod on the nexus.
[Link: skyrim.nexusmods.com...]

198 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:21:49pm

re: #197 Varek Raith

No, some silly mod on the nexus.
[Link: skyrim.nexusmods.com...]

So, a third-party cheat code. Bah.

199 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:23:30pm

re: #198 Targetpractice

So, a third-party cheat code. Bah.

Yep.
It's funny going through the new mods of the day. Some really silly stuff.

200 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:25:38pm

re: #194 Varek Raith

And the ladders.
...folding chairs.
...tables...

No, campaigns have plenty of those things. They just aren't used in the same way.

201 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:25:53pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

No, campaigns have plenty of those things. They just aren't used in the same way.

BORING!

202 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:35:39pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

BORING!

Yep, they are that. Heading upstairs...

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:59:19pm

re: #179 Gus

That's because he blames you for the rain.

Why am I reminded of the door into summer?

204 Tigger2  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:04:45am

re: #47 Targetpractice

And Trump helps lead the wingnut charge:

[Embedded content]

Trump release all your bankruptcy records.

205 William of Orange  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:19:40am

Crooks & Liars has the video.


Also, look at part 2 of that conversation!

Good times, good times!!

206 William of Orange  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:22:25am

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Sheesh. The topic of this post caused a barrage of wingnut ads from Adsense. I'm looking at ads from AEI, Newsmax, and FAIR.

Oookay, that's understandable, but I am a bit puzzled by an ad on the right for "sexy Vietnamese women." :-)

207 William of Orange  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:25:52am

re: #22 Mocking Jay

Obama should put out an apology post-dated to take effect Wednesday, November 7th.

You mean.... Retroactively?

208 labman57  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:40:24am

Mitt should hire the "Britney Spears YouTube" guy -- "Leave Mitt Romney aloooooooone!"


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