Here’s the spin straight from a former Bain insider; take it for what it’s worth. Ed Conard does confirm in this clip that Mitt Romney was “legally” the CEO and Managing Director of Bain Capital until 2002, but he doesn’t deviate from the campaign’s line that Romney had no control over the company (or responsibility for its investments) after February 1999.
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:18:08pm |
Ok, I give up.
How the hell can you both be the freaking CEO AND have absolutely no control over the company?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:20:01pm |
re: #1 dragonfire1981
Ok, I give up.
How the hell can you both be the freaking CEO AND have absolutely no control over the company?
Delegation.
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:23:08pm |
Time for one more "Campaign ad"...
*catchy musical intro with Romney clips*
He is the envy of Chameleons everywhere...
He makes a root canal seem enjoyable...
He's so boring, even the color grey says "DAMN..."
He is the most UNinteresting man in the world.
"I don't always retire from my job, but when I do, I prefer to do it retroactively. Stay wealthy, my friends."
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:23:18pm |
re: #1 dragonfire1981
Ok, I give up.
How the hell can you both be the freaking CEO AND have absolutely no control over the company?
Ever let someone drive your car? Kinda like that. Your name is still on the title but someone else is driving.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:23:21pm |
re: #2 Dark_Falcon
Delegation.
That only handles the day-to-day management. Willard was still the CEO, the chairman of the board, and the sole stockholder. If the people he put in charge were doing things he didn't agree with, he could have overrode them or even removed them from management. Instead, he quietly kept drawing a salary until '02, when apparently he decided he wanted to go into politics and "retroactively" retired.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:25:40pm |
re: #2 Dark_Falcon
Delegation.
Which is a lie. He had defacto and dejure control over the signing of deals. If he didn't want to sign off on Stericycle he could have blocked it, he chose not to. That choice was an affirmative action.
You can delegate authority but not responsibility, and in this case by retaining the titles of CEO, Chairman, President and Managing Partner he never even relinquished actual authority. The fact that he signed off on the deals indicates his tacit approval of them.
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rwmofo Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:26:50pm |
This has gotten beyond comical. If you take a quick scan of the left-wing sites, no one wants to mention the President. He's trying to get re-elected and we're increasingly seeing comparisons to Jimmy Carter. This is NOT good for the media/democrat party.
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:27:21pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
Ever let someone drive your car? Kinda like that. Your name is still on the title but someone else is driving.
Even in that instance I am still AWARE of what's happening to my car. Romney is saying he had NO CLUE what was going on at Bain after Feb. 1999.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:27:45pm |
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:28:53pm |
re: #8 rwmofo
This has gotten beyond comical. If you take a quick scan of the left-wing sites, no one wants to mention the President. He's trying to get re-elected and we're increasingly seeing comparisons to Jimmy Carter. This is NOT good for the media/democrat party.
This is what delusion looks like, boys and girls.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:29:06pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
Ever let someone drive your car? Kinda like that. Your name is still on the title but someone else is driving.
And you are still fully responsible for what happens with said car.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:29:14pm |
Arguing that the CEO isn't in charge is weaksauce.
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:29:33pm |
Anyone else having to completely reload the page to refresh the comments?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:29:51pm |
re: #4 Killgore Trout
Ever let someone drive your car? Kinda like that. Your name is still on the title but someone else is driving.
And you can still be legally held responsible for any damage they cause while behind the wheel with your permission. Look up the term vicarious liability and then try to formulate another argument.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:29:57pm |
re: #15 dragonfire1981
Anyone else having to completely reload the page to refresh the comments?
Yes.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:30:12pm |
re: #8 rwmofo
This has gotten beyond comical. If you take a quick scan of the left-wing sites, no one wants to mention the President. He's trying to get re-elected and we're increasingly seeing comparisons to Jimmy Carter. This is NOT good for the media/democrat party.
Sorry to break it to ya, but Zombie Reagan's not gonna ride out of the sunset to save ya'll.
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dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:31:07pm |
Oh and Killgore, let me ask you this. Even IF Romney had no clue what was happening with the company why won't he admit that he didn't actually leave there until 2002?
What tactical or strategic advantage is there to not being honest about this?
I am genuinely curious. I can see the political motivation behind a lot of maneuvers like this...but this one in particular perplexes me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:31:11pm |
re: #19 Targetpractice
Sorry to break it to ya, but Zombie Reagan's not gonna ride out of the sunset to save ya'll.
Lack of BRAIIINNNSSSS.
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:31:24pm |
re: #16 goddamnedfrank
And you can still be legally held responsible for any damage they cause while behind the wheel with your permission. Look up the term vicarious responsibility and then try to formulate another argument.
Really, this has been going on for days now. After Godwin, let's go Nixonian: the rhetorical coverup is worse than the crime.
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:31:24pm |
So Mitt Romney is basically running his campaign as one based on his business experience with Bain and as a CEO.
A professional history that includes him having been the Bain CEO for several years.
During which time "he didn't always know what was going on."
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:32:08pm |
re: #23 Gus
So Mitt Romney is basically running his campaign as one based on his business experience with Bain and as a CEO.
A professional history that includes him having been the Bain CEO for several years.
During which time "he didn't always know what was going on."
Presidential Material!
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:32:15pm |
re: #16 goddamnedfrank
Edited to: vicarious liability.
Basically. Like I said you can delegate authority but not responsibility. Especially when the person who you've allowed to drive the car is your employee.
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Amory Blaine Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:33:15pm |
re: #23 Gus
So Mitt Romney is basically running his campaign as one based on his business experience with Bain and as a CEO.
A professional history that includes him having been the Bain CEO for several years.
During which time "he didn't always know what was going on."
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:33:22pm |
So Romney digs a second hole to get out of the first one.
Okely dokely.
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:34:08pm |
re: #28 Varek Raith
So Romney digs a second hole to get out of the first one.
Okely dokely.
Seize the day!
//
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:34:38pm |
re: #8 rwmofo
Ths hs gttn bynd cmcl. f y tk qck scn f th lft-wng sts, n n wnts t mntn th Prsdnt. H's trng t gt r-lctd nd w'r ncrsngl sing cmprsns t Jmm Crtr. Ths s NT gd fr th md/dmcrt prt.
fixed.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:34:48pm |
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:36:57pm |
Really, rwmofo's distilled why stories like this inspire so much anger amongst the wingnuts. It actually puts the spotlight on Romney, on how shallow a candidate he's become in order to please an unpleasable base, instead of allowing them to keep weeping crocodile tears about how bad things are and how Obama is the second-coming of Carter.
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rwmofo Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:38:04pm |
Hmmm. So why is Microsoft entertaining the notion of parting ways with Douchebag Central?
I'm guessing it's because of lousy ratings - or maybe they've had enough of the conga line of bed-wetters who host their shows.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:38:28pm |
re: #33 Targetpractice
Really, rwmofo's distilled why stories like this inspire so much anger amongst the wingnuts. It actually puts the spotlight on Romney, on how shallow a candidate he's become in order to please an unpleasable base, instead of allowing them to keep weeping crocodile tears about how bad things are and how Obama is the second-coming of Carter.
They've been calling Obama, Carter 2.0 from the minute the man was nominated. It didn't stick then and it's not sticking now. Romney's caused a lot of his own problems by showing that he has a big problem with honesty.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:38:56pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:39:35pm |
re: #20 dragonfire1981
Oh and Killgore, let me ask you this. Even IF Romney had no clue what was happening with the company why won't he admit that he didn't actually leave there until 2002?
What tactical or strategic advantage is there to not being honest about this?
I am genuinely curious. I can see the political motivation behind a lot of maneuvers like this...but this one in particular perplexes me.
I don't know. It probably had something to do with the way his settlement with Bain was negotiated. Remember this was finalized in 2002, long before he ran for president, I don't see any evidence that this was some clever plot to hide something for a future presidential run. Probably much more about the way his agreement with Bain was negotiated. There's also no evidence about how much he knew or cared what was going on at Bain after he left in '99. Magement was turned over to a team and there's no evidence he interfered with anything at Bain past '99.
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:39:54pm |
Annoying Man is here.
You know I pretty much don't like MSNBC save for Rachel Maddow. It too can be annoying. But you know what's even more annoying? People that have this MSNBC derangement that was hatched by the "class of 2004" types. Get over it.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:40:14pm |
Charles, this thread is not properly handling my posts. I have to reload the page each time I post.
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wrenchwench Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:40:18pm |
He 'created a lot of franchise value'. That sounds so Presidential.
Romney contributed franchise value through 2003, then retroactively retired. Did he retrieve his franchise value somehow? Or did it remain there in that timeline? They were paying him for his franchise value.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:41:37pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
I don't know. It probably had something to do with the way his settlement with Bain was negotiated. Remember this was finalized in 2002, long before he ran for president, I don't see any evidence that this was some clever plot to hide something for a future presidential run. Probably much more about the way his agreement with Bain was negotiated. There's also no evidence about how much he knew or cared what was going on at Bain after he left in '99. Magement was turned over to a team and there's no evidence he interfered with anything at Bain past '99.
And, as we all know, absence of evidence is evidence of absence, right?
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:41:49pm |
Viscous Responsibility
WOLFEBORO, N.H. (AP) — Mitt Romney's campaign said Sunday that President Barack Obama is willing to say anything to win a second term and should say he's sorry for attacks on the Republican's successful career at a private equity firm. "No, we will not apologize," the president responded, adding that if Romney wants credit for his business leadership, he also needs to take responsibility.
Viscous Credibility
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:42:20pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
Charles, this thread is not properly handling my posts. I have to reload the page each time I post.
Same here. Thought it was my connection.
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PhillyPretzel Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:43:37pm |
re: #43 Gus
I was having problems earlier this evening.
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gwangung Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:43:44pm |
re: #37 Killgore Trout
I don't know. It probably had something to do with the way his settlement with Bain was negotiated. Remember this was finalized in 2002, long before he ran for president, I don't see any evidence that this was some clever plot to hide something for a future presidential run. Probably much more about the way his agreement with Bain was negotiated. There's also no evidence about how much he knew or cared what was going on at Bain after he left in '99. Magement was turned over to a team and there's no evidence he interfered with anything at Bain past '99.
This says very little about his corporate business acumen then, let alone anything political.
Most corporate types turning over the company are very concerned over business decisions made during the transition because of a) the legal responsibility mentioned before and b) the very real possibility that decisions made during that time will have an impact on the future profitability of the company--i.e., how much he gets paid for turning the company over.
It's a lameass excuse that doesnt make sense 't matter how you look at it.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:43:47pm |
re: #11 Killgore Trout
Godwined in 7 comments.
But was it wrong and an untrue/invalid comparison?
It isn't Godwining if it's a valid comparison...
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:43:50pm |
re: #8 rwmofo
This has gotten beyond comical. If you take a quick scan of the left-wing sites, no one wants to mention the President. He's trying to get re-elected and we're increasingly seeing comparisons to Jimmy Carter. This is NOT good for the media/democrat party.
Obama ordered the successful strike on bin Laden.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:44:05pm |
re: #38 Gus
Annoying Man is here.
You know I pretty much don't like MSNBC save for Rachel Maddow. It too can be annoying. But you know what's even more annoying? People that have this MSNBC derangement that was hatched by the "class of 2004" types. Get over it.
I wasn't going to mention this but I thought they actually did a good job on this one. All too often MSNBC anchors go over the top and make a distracting spectacle of themselves. They let they guy talk, asked reasonable questions and didn't say anything stupid. Good job.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:44:52pm |
re: #42 Kronocide
Viscous Responsibility
That's rich coming from the Romney campaign. Bunch of whiny babies that campaign is. Mitt and his team are desperate and it shows more and more every day.
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:45:49pm |
I can understand a person not placing much weight on SEC documents signed under oath simply because they don't want to. I can understand someone thinking that the CEO/Chairman/President/Managing Partner and sole shareholder of a company isn't responsible for what that company does. I get that it's possible not to see anything wrong with a man earning six figures of salary for years, while ostensibly doing nothing for it.
I comprehend all these things because I'm aware that many people are either monumentally stupid or have a near limitless capacity for dishonesty.
re: #37 Killgore Trout
Remember this was finalized in 2002, long before he ran for president, I don't see any evidence that this was some clever plot to hide something for a future presidential run.
Yeah, why would anybody expect a guy running for Governor, who father ran for President, to have such aspirations. Illustrating my point above to a tee.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:46:46pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
I wasn't going to mention this but I thought they actually did a good job on this one. All too often MSNBC anchors go over the top and make a distracting spectacle of themselves. They let they guy talk, asked reasonable questions and didn't say anything stupid. Good job.
That is the proper way to do an interview. Sadly, it is normally eschewed nowadays in favor of DERPy spectacle, which is ultimately an illustration of a fundamental problem with using television as a news medium.
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:46:54pm |
re: #56 PhillyPretzel
It's a trick to get us into spy mode and eventually dismantle the traditional mode!
//
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:47:53pm |
re: #48 TedStriker
But was it wrong and an untrue/invalid comparison?
It isn't Godwining if it's a valid comparison...
I'm not comparing Mitt Romney to Nazis, that's absurd. The comparison is that authority is shed, although in the Nazi trials is was feigned middle management being forcibly directed from the top under fear. In Romney's case, he's saying he wasn't in charge though his title and company hierarchy says so.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:48:02pm |
re: #41 Targetpractice
And, as we all know, absence of evidence is evidence of absence, right?
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
- Hitchens razor
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gwangung Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:48:18pm |
re: #54 goddamnedfrank
I can understand a person not placing much weight on SEC documents signed under oath simply because they don't want to. I can understand someone thinking that the CEO/Chairman/President/Managing Partner and sole shareholder of a company isn't responsible for what that company does. I get that it's possible not to see anything wrong with a man earning six figures of salary for years, while ostensibly doing nothing for it.
By the way...if this does happen, this is usually mentioned in SEC documents, either as being on retainer or under a special agreement (termination agreement, ownership change, etc.). It's pretty clear.
It's also pretty clear that any sort of agreement wasn't mentioned in the contemporarily filed papers.
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:49:41pm |
re: #54 goddamnedfrank
I can understand a person not placing much weight on SEC documents signed under oath simply because they don't want to. I can understand someone thinking that the CEO/Chairman/President/Managing Partner and sole shareholder of a company isn't responsible for what that company does. I get that it's possible not to see anything wrong with a man earning six figures of salary for years, while ostensibly doing nothing for it.
If you can get away with that in private enterprise, good for you. If a government employee does that it's off to the stockade.
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Only The Lurker Knows Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:50:32pm |
I have the same problem. Spinning wheel of death until I reload.
Safari 5.1.7 (7534.57.2) for Windows 7
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Eventual Carrion Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:50:36pm |
re: #34 rwmofo
Hmmm. So why is Microsoft entertaining the notion of parting ways with Douchebag Central?
I'm guessing it's because of lousy ratings - or maybe they've had enough of the conga line of bed-wetters who host their shows.
Why is Rupert Murdock and company being criminally investigated?
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:51:24pm |
re: #66 RayFerd
Why is Rupert Murdock and company being criminally investigated?
[Link: instantrimshot.com...]
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Only The Lurker Knows Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:51:59pm |
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:52:37pm |
re: #69 Bubblehead II
No spiking the football!
What about the Oh Face with a little Disco Finger Wag? Too soon?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:52:55pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:53:03pm |
re: #69 Bubblehead II
No spiking the football!
I did that ages ago.
I'm now in the stands getting flagged by refs.
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austin_blue Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:53:36pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:54:09pm |
re: #70 Kronocide
What about the Oh Face with a little Disco Finger Wag? Too soon?
You have a graphic or vid for that? Because that was totally lost on me.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:54:16pm |
re: #61 Killgore Trout
What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
- Hitchens razor
Well, you're making progress. You've gone from arguing as though it's fact to acknowledging that there's no evidence either way.
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:54:47pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:55:03pm |
re: #72 Varek Raith
I did that ages ago.
I'm now in the stands getting flagged by refs.
Flagged or fingered?
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:56:01pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:56:54pm |
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Only The Lurker Knows Sun, Jul 15, 2012 4:58:47pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:00:30pm |
re: #40 wrenchwench
He 'created a lot of franchise value'. That sounds so Presidential.
Romney contributed franchise value through 2003, then retroactively retired. Did he retrieve his franchise value somehow? Or did it remain there in that timeline? They were paying him for his franchise value.
Its above us. We are not supposed to understand. Just trust.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:04:06pm |
I'd be willing to bet someone out there is printing up some fake Bain memos. Beware the ratfuckers.
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:04:10pm |
Really, he had to rush off to save the Olympics. We kept his office and business cards for a few years but he wasn't in charge.
Well if Bain did so well without him, how is it that his stewardship is being championed? What did he do that was so good for Bain, and how does this translate into being the top government administrator?
Not to mention, running a business for profit does not directly translate to running an government administration.
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blueraven Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:06:25pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
I wasn't going to mention this but I thought they actually did a good job on this one. All too often MSNBC anchors go over the top and make a distracting spectacle of themselves. They let they guy talk, asked reasonable questions and didn't say anything stupid. Good job.
MS presently only has a stake in the website, not the TV network.
If you actually read the article NBC wants to buy them out.
I see no mention that this was initiated by MS.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:06:39pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:06:44pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
I'd be willing to bet someone out there is printing up some fake Bain memos. Beware the ratfuckers.
It's cute the way you're already preemptively defending against the possibility of having to assimilate new information.
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:09:48pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
I'd be willing to bet someone out there is printing up some fake Bain memos. Beware the ratfuckers.
Same applies to you and taking the word of the Romney camp and Bain at their word.
;)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:10:20pm |
re: #92 goddamnedfrank
It's cute the way you're already preemptively defending against the possibility of having to assimilate new information.
It would be cute if there weren't assholes willing to try that sort of thing. No one in the Obama campaign or a Super-Pac, though. It would be far too likely to backfire.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:11:05pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
I'd be willing to bet someone out there is printing up some fake Bain memos. Beware the ratfuckers.
It'll never get past our heat maps.
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blueraven Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:12:23pm |
re: #88 Killgore Trout
I'd be willing to bet someone out there is printing up some fake Bain memos. Beware the ratfuckers.
Yeah, Romney Camp LLP
//
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Kragar Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:15:02pm |
So if Mitt was in charge of the Executive Branch, who would actually have the responsibility and make the decisions? Bryan Fischer? The Koch Brothers?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:15:05pm |
re: #93 Bubblehead II
Too weird for me.
Yeah, it's up there with such stinkers as MegaForce and Plan 9 from Outer Space as one of the worst movies ever made.
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:15:27pm |
re: #99 Kragar
So if Mitt was in charge of the Executive Branch, who would actually have the responsibility and make the decisions? Bryan Fischer? The Koch Brothers?
Etch-A-Sketch
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:15:31pm |
re: #95 Dark_Falcon
It would be cute if there weren't assholes willing to try that sort of thing. No one in the Obama campaign or a Super-Pac, though. It would be far too likely to backfire.
Conservatives are bending over backwards to dismiss SEC documents signed under oath while placing huge weight on inferences about marketing materials that don't list Romney as a manager of a company he owned outright. The only people with a strong motive to fake Bain memos at this point would be Romney supporters trying to muddy the waters.
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rwmofo Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:17:02pm |
Uh oh. Now Bob Schieffer is worried:
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Kragar Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:17:10pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:18:53pm |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:18:58pm |
re: #103 rwmofo
GAZE to rwmfo and BBL to everyone else, even Goddamnedfrank.
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Kragar Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:19:15pm |
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:19:25pm |
re: #103 rwmofo
The only thing Bob Shieffer is worried about is being misquoted:
Schieffer opened a later segment saying he was "shocked" by the ad and distancing himself from it.
"That was a question that I posed to David Axelrod -- not a statement," he said. "I have no affiliation with the Romney campaign. This was done without our permission."
Schieffer noted the precarious position of an independent journalist appearing in a campaign ad: "I'm sure I'll get some blowback."
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:19:45pm |
re: #102 goddamnedfrank
Conservatives are bending over backwards to dismiss SEC documents signed under oath while placing huge weight on inferences about marketing materials that don't list Romney as a manager of a company he owned outright. The only people with a strong motive to fake Bain memos at this point would be Romney supporters trying to muddy the waters.
Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but if anyone tries to pass off any fake BC memos, my money is on someone in the GOP camp.
Sort of a reverse ratfuck, in order to throw everyone off the putrid scent of the facts of what actually happened.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:23:24pm |
re: #108 goddamnedfrank
The only thing Bob Shieffer is worried about is being misquoted:
"That was a question that I posed to David Axelrod -- not a statement," he said. "I have no affiliation with the Romney campaign. This was done without our permission."
Hardly the first time republicans have done this. Fucking copyright, how does it work?
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blueraven Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:26:16pm |
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Interesting Times Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:26:52pm |
If what Mitt Romney is hiding is more embarrassing than what he's showing, he's in trouble.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) July 16, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:27:26pm |
re: #92 goddamnedfrank
It's cute the way you're already preemptively defending against the possibility of having to assimilate new information.
Cute? Its weaselly.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:29:15pm |
re: #99 Kragar
So if Mitt was in charge of the Executive Branch, who would actually have the responsibility and make the decisions? Bryan Fischer? The Koch Brothers?
Rove!
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Kronocide Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:29:53pm |
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:31:18pm |
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:31:22pm |
.... Romney had no control over the company (or responsibility for its investments) after February 1999.
I know I'm repeating myself, but the above claim is one of the very problems we face in this country.
Mitt Romney was the owner until he was truly divested of Bain. What this means is that Romney benefited from Bain after his time-traveling "retirement" in 1999, because for three years after this Bain did its thing, and then Romney was finally divested of Bain, as his investments were put in blind trusts so he could be Governor.
This idea - of being CEO and benefitting financially, but being held not liable for what the company does - is at the heart of modern American "capitalism" abuse of the laws that were put in place to actually protect private ownership.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:32:09pm |
re: #109 TedStriker
Not that I'm a conspiracy theorist, but if anyone tries to pass off any fake BC memos, my money is on someone in the GOP camp.
Sort of a reverse ratfuck, in order to throw everyone off the putrid scent of the facts of what actually happened.
I had thought of that too. I think it's safe to assume the idea has been mentioned in the Romney camp. That's why it's important to be vigilant. Anything is possible.
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William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:33:51pm |
re: #103 rwmofo
Uh oh. Now Bob Schieffer is worried:
Bin Laden is dead.
GM is alive.
That's change I believe in! LOL!
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Varek Raith Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:34:55pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
I had thought of that too. I think it's safe to assume the idea has been mentioned in the Romney camp. That's why it's important to be vigilante. Anything is possible.
Who's more likely to do this though?
/Rhetorical
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:39:02pm |
re: #103 rwmofo
Uh oh. Now Bob Schieffer is worried:
same as always - the big boys get the $100 bills, and we hope to get to keep the change
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:39:16pm |
Here's what Romney is really saying: Yes, I was technically owner of Bain 1999 to 2002, and yes I was the one who profited most from it, but I was not responsible for anything.
Think about it - responsibility free riches!!
Yippeee!!
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:39:32pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
I had thought of that too. I think it's safe to assume the idea has been mentioned in the Romney camp. That's why it's important to be vigilante. Anything is possible.
I somehow don't think you meant this:
Image: Death-Wish-1974.jpg
;-P
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:40:31pm |
re: #120 Varek Raith
Who's more likely to do this though?
/Rhetorical
I'd say it's even money. Dan Rather got burned by his own side in a very similar situation. There's a story, conclusive proof is lacking. Huffpo, TPM and Mother Jones hold up each "new" document as the holy grail only to find out it just tells us what we already know. People want this story to work, evidence is lacking, people get impatient and over eager. The stage is set and I think someone out there will try to take advantage.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:41:05pm |
And here one of the GOP's favorite boogeymen are the "welfare queens".
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:41:11pm |
re: #123 TedStriker
I somehow don't think you meant this:
Image: Death-Wish-1974.jpg;-P
Yeah, I had to edit that e out
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Kragar Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:42:54pm |
re: #122 freetoken
Here's what Romney is really saying: Yes, I was technically owner of Bain 1999 to 2002, and yes I was the one who profited most from it, but I was not responsible for anything.
Think about it - responsibility free riches!!
Yippeee!!
Freeloading for foodstamps? AMATEURS!
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:44:19pm |
I've been messing around with the code again today, and had a few malfunctions while struggling with the Bash shell scripts that build our Javascript files.
Should be back to normal now.
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Kragar Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:45:17pm |
re: #128 Charles Johnson
I've been messing around with the code again today, and had a few malfunctions while struggling with the Bash shell scripts that build our Javascript files.
Should be back to normal now.
Would that be why the page had to be refreshed after posting a comment?
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:45:39pm |
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blueraven Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:46:06pm |
re: #124 Killgore Trout
I'd say it's even money. Dan Rather got burned by his own side in a very similar situation. There's a story, conclusive proof is lacking. Huffpo, TPM and Mother Jones hold up each "new" document as the holy grail only to find out it just tells us what we already know. People want this story to work, evidence is lacking, people get impatient and over eager. The stage is set and I'm think someone out there will try to take advantage.
KT good grief, those are SEC filings signed by Mitt Romney. Are you disputing the legitimacy of those. Who is in birther territory now?
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:46:47pm |
Yeah, that's what happens when you change the name of a function but forget to change one of the spots where the function is called. Ahem.
Now it's a function at the junction.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:47:03pm |
re: #128 Charles Johnson
Still getting the spinning wheel of death & had to reload, FYI.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:47:33pm |
Yeah, not back to normal yet. Please stand by.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:50:48pm |
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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:56:19pm |
re: #131 blueraven
KT good grief, those are SEC filings signed by Mitt Romney. Are you disputing the legitimacy of those.
no
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:56:57pm |
re: #136 freetoken
Freetoken wants to be pinched!
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:57:40pm |
Freetoken STILL wants to be pinched!
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:57:47pm |
re: #132 Charles Johnson
Yeah, that's what happens when you change the name of a function but forget to change one of the spots where the function is called.
that's why the java IDEs have the convenient refactor->rename utility
but writing web pages 100% in java is of course not possible
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Interesting Times Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:58:25pm |
I maintain that I did not shoot the deputy, and #retroactively did not shoot the sheriff either.— Imani ABL (@AngryBlackLady) July 16, 2012
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Kragar Sun, Jul 15, 2012 5:59:40pm |
I retroactively chose to stay enlisted so I could retire last year.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:00:15pm |
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:00:25pm |
Romney Campaign Retroactively Retracts Responsibility For All Candidate's Actions In Life
presidential hair remains campaign asset
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:03:08pm |
re: #149 Charles Johnson
Why the code doesn't like me?
if it works perfectly, you'll go away and won't pay any attention to it anymore & it'll get lonely
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:03:26pm |
re: #149 Charles Johnson
Because Freetoken is out of loquats?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:05:12pm |
Shit, give me the ability to retroact anything, and damn would things be different.
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Dancing along the light of day Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:09:59pm |
For Charles...
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:10:14pm |
re: #153 Dancing along the light of day
Because Freetoken is out of loquats?
Speaking of which, good growth on some of the neighborhood's trees this summer - if only the owners don't cut them back.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:11:45pm |
OK, reload and things are back to normal. I think I must have hit a rate limit in Google's Closure Compiler, since that's what I was messing with today.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:15:31pm |
Today I went to the Store of Evil to buy two evil bookcases, ended up buying the Dresser of Evil which cost much, much more than the $239 which is for a bunch of pieces of wood & screws & shit because fuck.
I could have gone to Art Van which is closer, and paid $500 up front including delivery & assembly but they didn't have the dresser I liked, so, Evil.
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Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:16:47pm |
Ich lieb dich nicht du liebst mich nicht...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:21:05pm |
re: #172 Learned Mother of Zion
Today I went to the Store of Evil to buy two evil bookcases, ended up buying the Dresser of Evil which cost much, much more than the $239 which is for a bunch of pieces of wood & screws & shit because fuck.
I could have gone to Art Van which is closer, and paid $500 up front including delivery & assembly but they didn't have the dresser I liked, so, Evil.
I KNEW the store of evil b4 I clicked. Good luck.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:34:05pm |
re: #177 Gus
Well, Kim Kardashian Shows Off Sexy Bikini Body In Miami, to her 15 million fans.
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abolitionist Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:37:54pm |
re: #152 engineer cat
if it works perfectly, you'll go away and won't pay any attention to it anymore & it'll get lonely
Within our liftimes, I'd bet.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:38:34pm |
William D. Cohan, a former investment banker and the author of “Money and Power: How Goldman Sachs Came to Rule the World”:
Without mentioning the heroics Romney has accomplished in his IRA, the New York Times editorialized on July 10 that the rest of Romney’s opaque “tax avoidance” schemes -- including overseas shelters in the Cayman Islands, Switzerland and elsewhere -- amount to nothing short of a “financial black hole” that he would be well advised to explain to the public. He should put explaining his magical IRA at the top of the list.
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Sheila Broflovski Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:38:56pm |
Why oh why did I not go to Art Van? Even though their products are more expensive than the Store of Evil, really they're not because delivery and assembly is included.
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blueraven Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:39:28pm |
Woohoo! New season of Breaking Bad in 20 minutes.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:41:07pm |
re: #183 blueraven
Woohoo!
New season of Breaking BadInspector Lewis in 20 minutes.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:44:32pm |
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:45:21pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
Try Google maps?
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jaunte Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:45:56pm |
re: #183 blueraven
No spoilers; I'm waiting for the show to end so I can watch the whole thing in one swell foop.
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freetoken Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:46:40pm |
re: #181 jaunte
That's the kind of thing that could deep-six the Romney campaign. It is certainly something the GOP primaries ought to have sorted out, if enough brains could have gotten behind one of the other candidates and pushed hard enough at Romney.
I wonder if this ultimately wasn't Newt's plan all along - knowing that there would be skeletons in a closet as densely packed as Romney's - and that if someone dug into Bain's history long and hard enough "stuff" would surface.
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abolitionist Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:49:44pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
Not familiar, but may I suggest Google Maps, street view mode? It offers ability to pan and zoom (via mouse/keybd) from anywhere their survey vehicles have been.
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sagehen Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:50:12pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
as seen from Governor's Island, or as seen from Brooklyn Heights
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:50:48pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
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Targetpractice Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:51:15pm |
re: #188 freetoken
That's the kind of thing that could deep-six the Romney campaign. It is certainly something the GOP primaries ought to have sorted out, if enough brains could have gotten behind one of the other candidates and pushed hard enough at Romney.
I wonder if this ultimately wasn't Newt's plan all along - knowing that there would be skeletons in a closet as densely packed as Romney's - and that if someone dug into Bain's history long and hard enough "stuff" would surface.
I think what it ultimately boiled down to in the primaries is that Willard had the money to carpet bomb his opponents into submission, playing on their own flaws while they were too disorganized to really go at his. Newt was the most successful, but it appears he only ever scratched the surface. Not to mention that, to the far Right, being a vulture capitalist is not something to be ashamed of if you can claim it means you know how to create jobs.
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jaunte Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:53:06pm |
re: #188 freetoken
His IRA could definitely be a problem. Even with all his other advantages, he can't settle for a modest IRA like the other citizens have, he has to fiddle that up to gigantic proportions too.
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:56:18pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
Click here. Should take you to Google maps with all the "Panoramio" shots.
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uncah91 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:57:08pm |
As to why Romney would disavow completely 1999 to 2002, I don't think it is really very mysterious.
The democratic candidate for MA governor banged him on top of the head with offshoring during the campaign. Mitt Romney said then, during debates that he had nothing to do with Bain from 1999 onward. He is just repeating that spin now.
He doesn't have to have had presidential aspirations back then. He was trying to win that election and it was more convenient to say "I had nothing to do with Bain, at all" than to try and tell the complex story of "I was technically CEO but I wasn't managing day to day so really I'm off the hook. You buy that, right?"
It's a blatant lie to say he had nothing to do with Bain. Even KT has already acknowledged this.
That is the real story at this point. He is blatantly lying because he doesn't want to explain why he an absentee owner shouldn't be held responsible for his companies actions.
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engineer cat Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:58:05pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
williamsburg?
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jaunte Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:59:14pm |
re: #185 Interesting Times
Anyone here thoroughly familiar with NYC? I'm trying to do a google image search for the Brooklyn Bridge with Manhattan skyline in the background, but can't find the particular angle I want. Are there keywords I can use for certain areas of the bridge, or viewpoints, e.g. "Brooklyn Bridge as seen from...?"
Here's a few:
[Link: www.shutterstock.com...]
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 6:59:29pm |
re: #195 Gus
Click here. Should take you to Google maps with all the "Panoramio" shots.
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Interesting Times Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:06:29pm |
re: #199 Gus
Thank you! :D That's exactly the kind of view I was looking for (where the bridge disappears off to the right, instead of the left, like the lionshare of most Brooklyn Bridge shots. Probably because it's easier to get better views of Manhattan that way)
It's to use as a basis for a stylized landscape panorama going from NYC to middle America to San Francisco
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Gus Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:10:08pm |
re: #201 Interesting Times
Thank you! :D That's exactly the kind of view I was looking for (where the bridge disappears off to the right, instead of the left, like the lionshare of most Brooklyn Bridge shots. Probably because it's easier to get better views of Manhattan that way)
It's to use as a basis for a stylized landscape panorama going from NYC to middle America to San Francisco
YW. Yeah, that's a pretty useful tool and even used it for work a few times. Not to use the photos but to use them as reference. The direct link to Panoramio is also here.
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palomino Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:11:23pm |
re: #103 rwmofo
Uh oh. Now Bob Schieffer is worried:
What the fuck are you talking about, you ridiculous hack. Even Rasmussen has Obama up a point in its latest polls. And those polls have held steady for the last 3 months.
As have the Intrade markets which have the race close, with a slight edge to Obama. This is only news if you haven't paid attention to anything over the last 3 months.
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Petero1818 Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:27:38pm |
I think people are focussed on the wrong thing here. Bain was managing large amounts of money belonging to Pension Funds etc.. which essentially represented money belonging to normal middle class Americans. As CEO, and as Director, he most certainly would have owed a Fiduciary duty to those investors be informed and involved in major decisions taking place within the company. If he claims he did not, he would be in breach of that Fiduciary Duty.
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