RIP, MSNBC

The end of a Microsoft era
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As of tonight, MSNBC no longer exists.

REDMOND, Wash. — NBC News has acquired full control of msnbc.com and its digital network from Microsoft Corp. and is immediately rebranding the site as NBCNews.com.

Many details of the arrangement remain to be worked out, and financial terms weren’t disclosed.

But NBC News President Steve Capus said the site — one of the news industry’s earliest and most successful online operations — would become part of NBC News Digital, a new division led by Vivian Schiller, the former president and chief executive of National Public Radio. Schiller joined NBC News as chief digital officer last year.

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1 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:02:31pm

GE wanted it's own wholly owned propaganda arm?

2 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:05:46pm

considering that schiller was the one responsible for firing juan williams, i will remain calm for now

3 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:11:01pm

I suppose the wingnuts are doing the Snoopy dance over this.

4 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:11:22pm

re: #3 Gus

I suppose the wingnuts are doing the Snoopy dance over this.

See, RWMOFO.

5 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:14:07pm

re: #1 William Barnett-Lewis

GE wanted it's own wholly owned propaganda arm?

NBC needs its own venue to distinguish itself from the hyperpartisan loons at MSNBC to retain credibility as a serious news outlet. Smart move.

6 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:14:21pm

re: #4 Varek Raith

See, RWMOFO.

Let 'em dance.

[MSNBC]... would become part of NBC News Digital, a new division led by Vivian Schiller, the former president and chief executive of National Public Radio...

That's the Vivian Schiller of "Juan Williams" fame.

Correction: Not of "Juan Willliams" fame but the O'Keefe fiasco.

7 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:15:25pm

Now that is a surprise. Have these negotiations been a total secret?

On the plus side, maybe we will get news/talk on the weekends instead of prison shows.

8 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:15:30pm

re: #6 Gus

Let 'em dance.

That's the Vivian Schiller of "Juan Williams" fame.

Correction: Not of "Juan Willliams" fame but the O'Keefe fiasco.

9 palomino  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:16:24pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

NBC needs its own venue to distinguish itself from the hyperpartisan loons at MSNBC to retain credibility as a serious news outlet. Smart move.

Especially that loon Scarborough, who gets 3 full hours a day to spew his hyperpartisan pro-Democrat left wing nonsense. Oh, wait, huh?

10 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:17:47pm

re: #9 palomino

Especially that loon Scarborough, who gets 3 full hours a day to spew his hyperpartisan pro-Democrat left wing nonsense. Oh, wait, huh?

I wonder if NBC will retain that hyper partisan left wing loon, S.E. Cupp, who they just hired.

//

11 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:19:23pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

NBC needs its own venue to distinguish itself from the hyperpartisan loons at MSNBC to retain credibility as a serious news outlet. Smart move.

Names and examples.

12 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:19:41pm

OT: Tax Break Nears End For Online Shoppers

Do I smell a tax increase, or what? Maybe they will figure out how not to call it a tax; a penalty perhaps?

13 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:19:50pm

re: #9 palomino

Especially that loon Scarborough, who gets 3 full hours a day to spew his hyperpartisan pro-Democrat left wing nonsense. Oh, wait, huh?

msnbc is not hyperpartisan enough for me just yet

14 Achilles Tang  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:21:10pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

NBC needs its own venue to distinguish itself from the hyperpartisan loons at MSNBC to retain credibility as a serious news outlet. Smart move.

At least their partisanship has an IQ over 100.

15 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:21:36pm

re: #11 Varek Raith

Names and examples.

Andrea Mitchell!!11ty

16 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:22:15pm

re: #15 Gus

Andrea Mitchell!!11ty

Good grief, it has its own site....

17 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:23:42pm

re: #16 Varek Raith

Good grief, it has its own site...

Yeah. Fixed the link. Here's the right one. I remember during the height of the "global war on terror" the winnugts were in a tizzy over something Andrea Mitchell said.

18 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:24:41pm

re: #17 Gus

Yeah. Fixed the link. Here's the right one. I remember during the height of the "global war on terror" the winnugts were in a tizzy over something Andrea Mitchell said.

...

FireAndreaMitchell.com is a site devoted to exposing the American media's liberal bias in favor of anything and everything Obama and Democrat.

Derp.

19 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:24:59pm

Lol...

FORE!! Campaigner in Chief King Putt Obama goes golfing for a record 102nd time as president

20 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:25:44pm

what the hell is "kislew" doing in this spanish wordlist?

21 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:26:23pm

re: #20 engineer cat

what the hell is "kislew" doing in this spanish wordlist?

Sharia.

22 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:27:22pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Lol...

I knew you would like that site.

//

23 jaunte  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:28:56pm

re: #20 engineer cat

¿Cómo se dice Kislev en Inglés?

24 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:30:11pm

re: #19 Varek Raith

Lol...

Here's another one you might like.

//

25 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:31:49pm

re: #23 jaunte

¿Cómo se dice Kislev en Inglés?

con un suspiro yiddishe bubbie

26 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:35:54pm

Ah. This MSNBC thing brings back memories: Why We Fight — An Anti-Idiotarian Manifesto (2.0)

That was in 2003. Right before it attained Peak Wingnut of 2004™.

//

27 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:37:43pm

re: #26 Gus

Ah. This MSNBC thing brings back memories: Why We Fight — An Anti-Idiotarian Manifesto (2.0)

That was in 2003. Right before it attained Peak Wingnut of 2004™.

//

Ha! This is interesting:

WE REJECT the idiotarianism of the Right — whether it manifests as head-in-the-sand isolationism or as a a Christian-chauvinist political agenda that echoes the religious absolutism of our enemies.

Apparently they must have ignored that part.

28 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:40:04pm

That was this Eric S. Raymond.

29 abolitionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:41:27pm

re: #28 Gus

Broken.

30 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:43:55pm

re: #29 abolitionist

Broken.

Fixed.

31 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:45:07pm

re: #6 Gus

Let 'em dance.

That's the Vivian Schiller of "Juan Williams" fame.

Correction: Not of "Juan Willliams" fame but the O'Keefe fiasco.

To be clear, it wasn't Schiller that O'Keefe was able to dupe into making a questionable statement, but rather an executive whose hiring she had championed. NPr got rid of her along with him to forestall right-wing attacks.

32 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:49:33pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

To be clear, it wasn't Schiller that O'Keefe was able to dupe into making a questionable statement, but rather an executive whose hiring she had championed. NPr got rid of her along with him to forestall right-wing attacks.

Sure enough it worked and the right wing is no longer attacking NPR nor wanting to defund them.

//

33 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:53:40pm

re: #32 Gus

Sure enough it worked and the right wing is no longer attacking NPR nor wanting to defund them.

//

I was just saying what their idea was, I didn't say it was a good idea.

34 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:55:57pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

I was just saying what their idea was, I didn't say it was a good idea.

I didn't imply that you did.

35 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:57:28pm

re: #33 Dark_Falcon

I was just saying what their idea was, I didn't say it was a good idea.

That's what she said!

36 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:57:47pm

re: #34 Gus

I didn't imply that you did.

Quite true. We're good.

37 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 7:58:53pm

Good times! A look back: NPR CEO Vivian Schiller Who Fired Juan Williams Key Architect of FCC Govt Takeover of the News

More Vivian Schiller/Freeper fun here.

38 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:00:12pm

So yeah. She was part of the Juan Willliams Wingnut Fun Week. Or was that a month?

39 bratwurst  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:00:37pm

The chorus is growing:

Bill Kristol: 'release tax returns tomorrow'

40 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:02:23pm

We can now re-word that:

Former NPR CEO Vivian Schiller Who Fired Juan Williams Recently Chosen to Head NBC News Digital Key Architect of FCC Govt Takeover of the News!!11ty

41 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:03:47pm

re: #40 Gus

We can now re-word that:

Is this the part where I run around screaming hysterically?

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:03:59pm

re: #39 bratwurst

The chorus is growing:

Bill Kristol: 'release tax returns tomorrow'

He won't do that. For him to give after holding out for so long would be a defeat of the first magnitude, and it would also add extra punch to any attack items the Obama campaign finds. No, on this issue Mitt Romney is more likely to just accept defeat than budge.

43 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:04:16pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

Is this the part where I run around screaming hysterically?

Yes, get going.

44 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:05:01pm

re: #41 Varek Raith

Is this the part where I run around screaming hysterically?

Pretty much. Don't look now but they're already on the case.

Warning: Will lead to Free Republic.

45 Interesting Times  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:07:05pm

re: #39 bratwurst

The chorus is growing:

Bill Kristol: 'release tax returns tomorrow'

What could possibly be in those returns more toxic than what Mitt's going through now? Would could they possibly reveal?

On second thought, perhaps we're better off NOT knowing...

46 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:09:09pm

Ah, I see they've been at it since this morning. Team Twitchy is also on the case. But! There are zero comments there. I has a sad.

47 ozbloke  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:10:09pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

No, on this issue Mitt Romney is more likely to just accept defeat than budge.

Not only defeat, but he's giving up his spine as well.

48 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:10:53pm

re: #45 Interesting Times

What could possibly be in those returns more toxic than what Mitt's going through now? Would could they possibly reveal?

On second thought, perhaps we're better off NOT knowing...

Well John McCain survived looking at them, but he is stronger of heart than 97% of the population. He's the guy who'd greet the angels of death from the ark by saying: "One more old sailor reporting, and I've served my time in Hell!"

49 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:11:54pm

re: #46 Gus

Ah, I see they've been at it since this morning. Team Twitchy is also on the case. But! There are zero comments there. I has a sad.

Not this morning. That was posted at 10:30 PM. That explains the zero comments. Yep. They're just getting started. The wingnut talking point will be something about Vivian Schiller/Juan Williams/Jame O'Keefe/Israel/FCC Takeover of the News/Left Wing Fascist NPR/EIEIO!!11ty followed by a Bronx cheer.

50 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:17:43pm

re: #49 Gus

Not this morning. That was posted at 10:30 PM. That explains the zero comments. Yep. They're just getting started. The wingnut talking point will be something about Vivian Schiller/Juan Williams/Jame O'Keefe/Israel/FCC Takeover of the News/Left Wing Fascist NPR/EIEIO!!11ty followed by a Bronx cheer.

Don't forget the obligatory attack on "Leftwing Media Oligarhy!!1".

51 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:18:24pm

re: #46 Gus

Ah, I see they've been at it since this morning. Team Twitchy is also on the case. But! There are zero comments there. I has a sad.

according to twitchy's penetrating psychoanalysis, the fact that schiller dared to criticize a conservative (inadvertently admitting that juan williams was not a liberal merely because he worked at npr) proves that she is mentally ill

52 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:18:49pm

re: #49 Gus

Not this morning. That was posted at 10:30 PM. That explains the zero comments. Yep. They're just getting started. The wingnut talking point will be something about Vivian Schiller/Juan Williams/Jame O'Keefe/Israel/FCC Takeover of the News/Left Wing Fascist NPR/EIEIO!!11ty followed by a Bronx cheer.

Just in case. The reason I added Israel to that meme: NPR Punked By James O’Keefe In Muslim Brotherhood Stunt.

...At one point one of the phony donors says NPR’s funding battles are illustrative of “the extent to which the Jews do kind of control the media. Certainly the Zionists and the people who have the interests in swaying media coverage toward a favorable direction of Israel.” Schiller does not respond immediately, but later says that he does not see “the Zionist or even pro-Israel” influence among NPR backers.

“I mean it’s there in those who own newspapers obviously, but no one owns NPR,” he adds. “So I, actually, I don’t find it.”

At another point one of the fake donors complains about the treatment of the Muslim Brotherhood in the press, who he says funds their group.

“Sadly our history from the record … shows that we’ve done this before. We put Japanese Americans in camps in World War II,” Betsy Liley, director of institutional giving for NPR, responds in the video...

This would be Ronald Schiller who is not related to Vivian Schiller -- who of course was caught up in the fallout.

53 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:21:06pm

LLAULLAU

turns out to be a city in chile

pronounced yowyow or jowjow depending on what part of town you live in

54 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:23:40pm

re: #51 engineer cat

according to twitchy's penetrating psychoanalysis, the fact that schiller dared to criticize a conservative (inadvertently admitting that juan williams was not a liberal merely because he worked at npr) proves that she is mentally ill

That's Rodan/Dorkus level delusional.

55 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:26:41pm
56 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:27:54pm

[Dramatic cat.]

57 jaunte  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:30:38pm

re: #56 Gus

Youtube Video
58 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:34:26pm

re: #57 jaunte

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Yep. Vivian Schiller in charge. Name stays the same: MSNBC. Probably looking at changes to take MSNBC beyond "fine."

59 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:34:52pm

It's time people started asking him if he just wants the title, or if he's prepared to do the work.

Oh, and we caught 30 salmon today...not a bad day's fishing. Best part was watching a sea lion that caught up with us 10 miles off shore take two big fish off the same guy's line. It was quite beautiful seeing it come out of the water about 30 feet from the boat with a 15lb fish in its mouth.

Oh, and there was a blue whale - 80-100 footer, rolling about 200 yards off the port side.

60 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:36:10pm

Uh oh. The New York Times has spoken:

61 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:36:25pm

re: #59 darthstar

[Embedded content]

It's time people started asking him if he just wants the title, or if he's prepared to do the work.

Oh, and we caught 30 salmon today...not a bad day's fishing. Best part was watching a sea lion that caught up with us 10 miles off shore take two big fish off the same guy's line. It was quite beautiful seeing it come out of the water about 30 feet from the boat with a 15lb fish in its mouth.

Oh, and there was a blue whale - 80-100 footer, rolling about 200 yards off the port side.

Nice.

62 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:36:58pm

re: #60 Gus

Uh oh. The New York Times has spoken:

[Embedded content]

Don't let Killgore see this. ;)

63 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:37:21pm

The blue gloaming. Towercam.

Digital means finger.
Virtual means fake.
Media means something in the way.

Good night.

64 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:37:51pm

re: #61 Gus

Nice.

Image: 580946_10151048484628024_641836063_n.jpg

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:39:07pm

re: #60 Gus

Uh oh. The New York Times has spoken:

[Embedded content]

From that article:

Some of the filings reflect the complex nature of private equity funds: each Bain fund was run by a separate general partnership — one that included all of Bain’s executives — that in turn was legally controlled by Mr. Romney through his management entity.

“It’s a disconnect between the ownership interest and managerial functions,” said Harvey L. Pitt, who served as S.E.C. chairman under President George W. Bush. “When Bain takes positions in public companies, they’re required to show anyone who has an ownership interest that could be the effective equivalent of control. So Romney has to be shown on those filings. If they didn’t show them on those filings, they would have broken the law. But it has nothing to do with who’s actually running Bain Capital.”

Indeed, no evidence has yet emerged that Mr. Romney exercised his powers at Bain after February 1999 or directed the funds’ investments after he left, although his campaign has declined to say if he attended any meetings or had any other contact with Bain during the period. And financial disclosures filed with the Massachusetts ethics commission show that he drew at least $100,000 in 2001 from Bain Capital Inc. — effectively his own till — as a “former executive” and from other Bain entities as a passive general partner.

66 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:39:54pm

re: #64 darthstar

Image: 580946_10151048484628024_641836063_n.jpg

That's some hard corps fishing right there.

67 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:39:58pm

SEC rules are for other people.

68 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:40:14pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

From that article:

Ach. I don't want to read that stuff now.

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:40:53pm

re: #64 darthstar

Image: 580946_10151048484628024_641836063_n.jpg

YOU MURDERER!!1 YOU SHOULD BE SHUNNED BY ALL DECENT PEOPLE FOR KILLING ALL OF THOSE POOR DEFENSELESS SEA KITTENS!!!11

/PETA Moonbat

70 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:41:57pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

And financial disclosures filed with the Massachusetts ethics commission show that he drew at least $100,000 in 2001 from Bain Capital Inc. — effectively his own till — as a “former executive” and from other Bain entities as a passive general partner.

That's chump change really. That's like a Christmas Ham at BCI.

71 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:42:09pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

YOU MURDERER!!1 YOU SHOULD BE SHUNNED BY ALL DECENT PEOPLE FOR KILLING ALL OF THOSE POOR DEFENSELESS SEA KITTENS!!!11

/PETA Moonbat

Fish have feelings, too.

Cold, slimy, scaly feelings, but feelings nonetheless.

(I explained to my science students that "Finding Nemo" is a story about people, not fish, and that fish really don't stick around and raise their young. Alligators do, though.)

72 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:44:36pm

What I want to know is when Jon Stewart and Colbert Report will be back on the air. Or, at least, teh interwebz...

73 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:44:39pm

I'm all for for busting Romney's balls over Bain but I'm not for any investigation, charges, or any talk of maleficence.

74 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:45:28pm

buscarruido

somebody who goes looking for noise?

seems that it's a word for "thug"

75 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:45:36pm

re: #73 Gus

I'm all for for busting Romney's balls over Bain but I'm not for any investigation, charges, or any talk of maleficence.

Correction. Derp me.

76 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:47:00pm

re: #64 darthstar

Nom Nom Nom!

77 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:49:06pm

Cool...our Sony 42" flat screen TV (not flat panel, flat screen - about 12" deep) just died. So the missus wants to get a flat panel - and larger - to put on the wall in the living room so we can turn this smaller room into a shared office or guest bedroom.

Any recommendations in te 47 to 55 inch range? I don't want to spend 4K on a TV...I'm happy with the under 1,000 dollar range.

78 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:50:20pm

re: #71 Mostly sane, most of the time.

(I explained to my science students that "Finding Nemo" is a story about people, not fish, and that fish really don't stick around and raise their young. Alligators do, though.)

Finding Nemo is a classic heroic quest - the story of Telemechus.

79 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:51:12pm

I've got the thousand year plan. I'm not very optimistic.

80 Kragar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:51:38pm

Conservative Pundits Wonder If Romney’s Hiding Something In Unreleased Tax Returns

It’s a bad sign for Mitt Romney when conservatives begin to question why the presumptive Republican nominee won’t release more of his tax returns. But on Sunday, that’s what happened. Conservative analysts joined Democrats in wondering whether Romney is just being impolitic in not releasing several years worth of returns — or whether he’s trying to hide something.

Democrats have been calling on Mitt Romney to release more than one year of his tax returns with a series of web videos and public statements. So far, he has released his 2010 returns and an estimate of his 2011 returns.

To politicos across the ideological spectrum, Romney’s unwillingness to release anything beyond these two years raises the question: if it’s worth the bad press to keep the tax returns private, they must contain something worse.

“The cost of not releasing the returns are clear,” said conservative columnist George Will, on ABC’s “This Week.” “Therefore, he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.”

81 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:51:43pm

re: #77 darthstar

If your screen is too big you won't be able to get away to the right viewing distance in a smallish room, so check that out.

82 Kragar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:53:01pm

re: #78 darthstar

Finding Nemo is a classic heroic quest - the story of Telemechus.

The Warriors is a retelling of Anabasis.

83 Big Joe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:53:43pm

re: #77 darthstar

Any recommendations in te 47 to 55 inch range? I don't want to spend 4K on a TV...I'm happy with the under 1,000 dollar range.

We got a LG 47" at Best Buy for $700. Was the best I could find for under $800.

84 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:55:36pm

re: #81 Ojoe

If your screen is too big you won't be able to get away to the right viewing distance in a smallish room, so check that out.

The room in question is about 22x25...plenty big for a large screen. We've got an old white table with a fish graphic on it(kind of a distressed wood look)...we're going to take the legs off that and use the top as a screen cover, and put it on hinges so we can lift it out of the way when we want to watch something. It'll just be a large piece of wall art most of the time, with the screen embedded in the wall behind.

85 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:56:35pm

re: #82 Kragar

The Warriors is a retelling of Anabasis.

...come out to play-ayyy...

86 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:56:41pm

re: #83 Big Joe

We got a LG 47" at Best Buy for $700. Was the best I could find for under $800.

I knew them as LG for a long time and when I found out it was for "Life's Good" I kind of laughed. Goofy name but they make great stuff.

87 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:56:57pm

Conservative Pundits Wonder If Romney’s Hiding Something In Unreleased Tax Returns

used condoms? small countries? a mint condition copy of issue #1 of action comics?

88 JamesWI  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:58:31pm

re: #70 Mich-again

That's chump change really. That's like a Christmas Ham at BCI.

I think others here have stated that the $100,000 is strictly a minimum, that is, the forms have options to pick your salary range, and the highest is "$100,000 or more."

So it could be $100,001, or $100,000,000, or anywhere in-between.

89 darthstar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 8:58:32pm

Okay...the couch is still rocking a bit after 10 hours at sea today...time to go sleep off these sea legs.

Good night, everyone.

90 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:03:07pm

re: #72 Blizard

What I want to know is when Jon Stewart and Colbert Report will be back on the air. Or, at least, teh interwebz...

They may stay off the web even after they return to TV. Viacom is having a spat with DirecTV over the pricing for DirecTV's carriage of Comedy Central, MTV, and a number of other channels. If either show comes back before the dispute is resolved, Viacom may decide not to allow the new episodes onto the web in order to keep up the pressure on DirecTV. So your dose of the Daily Show may have to wait while two corporations fight over money.

91 Kragar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:03:18pm

I wonder how much Mitt reported in income to the Mormon Church and how it corresponds to how much he actually tithed.

92 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:03:28pm

re: #78 darthstar

Finding Nemo is a classic heroic quest - the story of Telemechus.

Most good stories go back to a classic.

Fish, however, don't do what we would recognize as parenting. They reproduce.

Bears parent. Well, the mamas. Birds parent. Most canines parent.

Not fishies or turtles, though.

93 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:04:24pm

re: #91 Kragar

I wonder how much Mitt reported in income to the Mormon Church and how it corresponds to how much he actually tithed.

You don't report income. You tithe, and once a year you are asked to state whether you are a full tithe payer or not. They take your word for it.

94 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:04:51pm

re: #91 Kragar

I wonder how much Mitt reported in income to the Mormon Church and how it corresponds to how much he actually tithed.

That would be an infringement of 1st Amendment rights.

95 Big Joe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:05:50pm

re: #89 darthstar

Okay...the couch is still rocking a bit after 10 hours at sea today...time to go sleep off these sea legs.

Good night, everyone.

Sea sickness isn't near as bad as land sickness after days on the water!

96 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:05:56pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

From that article:

Indeed, no evidence has yet emerged that Mr. Romney exercised his powers at Bain after February 1999 or directed the funds’ investments after he left, although his campaign has declined to say if he attended any meetings or had any other contact with Bain during the period.

He signed off on the deals. That's an overt exercise of power and constitutes tacit approval. Nobody says that a President signing a bill into law isn't an exercise of power, so why should anybody believe that a CEO/Chairman/etc/etc signing off on acquisitions under oath isn't?

97 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:06:17pm

re: #90 Dark_Falcon

They may stay off the web even after they return to TV. Viacom is having a spat with DirecTV over the pricing for DirecTV's carriage of Comedy Central, MTV, and a number of other channels. If either show comes back before the dispute is resolved, Viacom may decide not to allow the new episodes onto the web in order to keep up the pressure on DirecTV. So your dose of the Daily Show may have to wait while two corporations fight over money.

That's how I understood it as well. Just wondering what kind of time frame we are looking at.

3 liberal news networks off the air in a week. +1 for the cons

//////

98 Kragar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:06:20pm

re: #94 Gus

That would be an infringement of 1st Amendment rights.

Wondering infringes on his 1st Amendment rights?
re: #93 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You don't report income. You tithe, and once a year you are asked to state whether you are a full tithe payer or not. They take your word for it.

If Mitt releases his Tax Returns, but they don't match, what then?

99 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:07:15pm

re: #94 Gus

That would be an infringement of 1st Amendment rights.

Indeed. That matter is between him and his church.

100 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:07:20pm

re: #98 Kragar

Wondering infringes on his 1st Amendment rights?
re: #93 Mostly sane, most of the time.

If Mitt releases his Tax Returns, but they don't match, what then?

I highly doubt anyone is going to check.

Also, if he was donating stock in that time, there were two different offices that were keeping records. When we donated stock as tithing, back in the stock boom years, my bishop never even saw it.

101 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:07:35pm

re: #98 Kragar

Wondering infringes on his 1st Amendment rights?
re: #93 Mostly sane, most of the time.

If Mitt releases his Tax Returns, but they don't match, what then?

I didn't mean "wondering."

102 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:09:26pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. That matter is between him and his church.

As I read it.

103 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:10:10pm

re: #98 Kragar

"You don't report income. You tithe, and once a year you are asked to state whether you are a full tithe payer or not. They take your word for it."


Man I could never take that kind of snooping. Organized religion, eeech.

104 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:11:02pm

no evidence has yet emerged that Mr. Romney exercised his powers at Bain after February 1999

quick, get the kryptonite before he starts exercising his powers again

105 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:11:18pm

re: #97 Blizard

That's how I understood it as well. Just wondering what kind of time frame we are looking at.

3 liberal news networks off the air in a week. +1 for the cons

///

I don't know. Right now the two sides aren't talking to each other. Viacom wanted a 33% price increase and DirecTV offered them less that half of that. Moreover, when Viacom ordered DirecTV to pull its channels, it followed that up with a string of insulting Tweets. I could easily see this fight extend into August, if not beyond.

106 dragonath  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:12:27pm

After these last couple of days, if I see another Glenn Kessler Pinocchio... I think I'm going to lose it.

Image: n_janco_kessler_120109.video-260x195.jpg

107 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:14:01pm

re: #104 engineer cat

no evidence has yet emerged that Mr. Romney exercised his powers at Bain after February 1999

quick, get the kryptonite before he starts exercising his powers again

Mitt Romney is no Kryptonian, he's a Real American, you Godless Commie! His powers come from his Good Hair Symbiote, which is quite immune to kryptonite.

//

108 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:16:47pm

re: #107 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney is no Kryptonian, he's a Real American, you Godless Commie! His powers come from his Good Hair Symbiote, which is quite immune to kryptonite.

//

We are all real Americans.

And no I didn't mean that you said otherwise. ;)

[Dobro slide.]

109 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:18:35pm

The Deceleration of Independence is a radical document.

110 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:20:52pm

re: #105 Dark_Falcon

Cancelled my Comcast about 6 months ago thinking I would go all digital. Here we are now with my old school Sony Trinitron still unplugged- it's kinda nice- hey, you guys were talking tv's, so....

I likes my my satire though! Can't wait to hear what those guys have to say about it (Stewart & Colbert). Eventually.

111 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:23:40pm

re: #109 Gus

The Deceleration of Independence is a radical document.

i'm waiting for it to grind to a halt

if it's decelerating, maybe it's a radial document

112 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:25:21pm

And for our football fans, Peyton Manning has purchased his new home in Denver.

So remember kids: If you get to be at the very top of the athletic world, you can own a house of the kind Mitt Romney owns. But you still won't own as many of them as Mitt Romney owns.

113 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:26:55pm

re: #111 engineer cat

i'm waiting for it to grind to a halt

if it's decelerating, maybe it's a radial document

It's all we got. We took over the British.

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:27:24pm

re: #110 Blizard

Cancelled my Comcast about 6 months ago thinking I would go all digital. Here we are now with my old school Sony Trinitron still unplugged- it's kinda nice- hey, you guys were talking tv's, so...

I likes my my satire though! Can't wait to hear what those guys have to say about it (Stewart & Colbert). Eventually.

You might want to start it back up. Even once the dispute ends, it may be a short while before new episodes are posted to the web and those aired during the dispute may never be posted.

115 Kragar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:30:15pm

re: #112 Dark_Falcon

And for our football fans, Peyton Manning has purchased his new home in Denver.

So remember kids: If you get to be at the very top of the athletic world, you can own a house of the kind Mitt Romney owns. But you still won't own as many of them as Mitt Romney owns.

Education is for suckers. Learn to put a ball in a hole and you'll be set for life.

116 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:33:56pm

re: #115 Kragar

Education is for suckers. Learn to put a ball in a hole and you'll be set for life.

You still need education if you really want to strike it rich. If you learn how to direct mammoth amounts of money and generate profits with those flows, then you can truly ascend to the top.

117 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:33:57pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Not for the price I was paying, not gonna happen. Comcast can go suck an egg. They will never go a la cart either. So, I do without. Oh well.

FTR, haven't had a land line in 13 years either. Bundling is not an option for me.

118 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:35:00pm

re: #115 Kragar

Education is for suckers. Learn to put a ball in a hole and you'll be set for life.

One can self educate.

119 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:36:02pm

Speaking of Broncos, Dumervil arrested in Miami on felony weapons charge. Gah.

[Link: profootball.scout.com...]

Didn't Obama take everyone's guns away already?

///

120 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:36:27pm

I even used the Dewey decimal system.

121 Ojoe  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:36:58pm

Evil Braniac.

Good night.

122 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:37:30pm

You have to be able to do a failed landing.

123 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:38:15pm

re: #118 Gus

One can self educate.

Hardest game I've ever played. After a 23 year absence I'm back in the game this summer. So addicted. Shot a 54 last week on the first 9!

It was a par 3 of course. FML.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:38:25pm

re: #119 Blizard

Speaking of Broncos, Dumervil arrested in Miami on felony weapons charge. Gah.

[Link: profootball.scout.com...]

Didn't Obama take everyone's guns away already?

///

But it happened in Miami! I though all he had to do to get away with it was to claim he was standing his ground.

/Heh.

125 Gus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:39:00pm

re: #123 Blizard

Hardest game I've ever played. After a 23 year absence I'm back in the game this summer. So addicted. Shot a 54 last week on the first 9!

It was a par 3 of course. FML.

That works.

126 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:40:45pm

re: #121 Ojoe

Evil Braniac.

Good night.

In his sequel to hisThe Dark Knight graphic novel, Frank Miller had Braniac use a miniaturized city from Krypton to blackmail Superman into obeying Braniac and Lex Luthor.

127 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:46:24pm

re: #86 Gus

I knew them as LG for a long time and when I found out it was for "Life's Good" I kind of laughed. Goofy name but they make great stuff.

Nelly but not Kuwait, according to Teh Wiki at least:

In 1995, to compete better in the Western market, the Lucky-Goldstar Corporation was renamed "LG", the abbreviation of "Lucky-Goldstar". More importantly, the company associates the letters LG with the company's tagline "Life's Good". This tagline came from Australia, where many of the products are tested first by LG.

The Goldstar brand is very familiar to this Kiwi, for one. Don't know how much market penetration it ever got in the US.

128 Blizard  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:46:52pm

re: #125 Gus

I remember how easy it is to slice. I've lessened it to a fade now for the most part, with many shots straight, too. Driving it JB Holmes style with the ball teed forward. Went with a softer shaft until I get my game back, too. Man the gear has changed! Wish I kept my old copper Slazenger putter but I managed to pick up an Anser blade to keep it old school. Love it so far.

129 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:48:45pm

re: #127 Mentis Fugit

Nelly but not Kuwait, according to Teh Wiki at least:

The Goldstar brand is very familiar to this Kiwi, for one. Don't know how much market penetration it ever got in the US.

It's got a fair bit of penetration with its cell phones and it now sells its Washers and Dryers at Best Buy, a major US appliance chain.

130 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:49:35pm

re: #129 Dark_Falcon

It's got a fair bit of penetration with its cell phones and it now sells its Washers and Dryers at Best Buy, a major US appliance chain.

LG stands for Lucky Goldstar.

131 Kragar  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:53:08pm

MMM, Carnitas ramen.

132 Pythagoras  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:56:31pm

re: #77 darthstar

Cool...our Sony 42" flat screen TV (not flat panel, flat screen - about 12" deep) just died. So the missus wants to get a flat panel - and larger - to put on the wall in the living room so we can turn this smaller room into a shared office or guest bedroom.

Any recommendations in the 47 to 55 inch range? I don't want to spend 4K on a TV...I'm happy with the under 1,000 dollar range.

CostCo has a 50" Phillips for only $650. That's a brand with some serious good history.

[Link: www.costco.com...]

I'm not familiar with this exact model but I do like Phillips. The CostCo online prices include shipping (one of the tabs explains this). I've bought lots of stuff from them with no complaints.

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 9:59:21pm

Goodnight, all.

134 Destro  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 10:03:02pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

MSNBC needed to be more left wing. I thank the network for helping me see the light from right leaning moderate to leftist. I think I even renounced god thanks to them.

135 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 10:29:30pm

re: #77 darthstar

Cool...our Sony 42" flat screen TV (not flat panel, flat screen - about 12" deep) just died. So the missus wants to get a flat panel - and larger - to put on the wall in the living room so we can turn this smaller room into a shared office or guest bedroom.

Any recommendations in te 47 to 55 inch range? I don't want to spend 4K on a TV...I'm happy with the under 1,000 dollar range.

Stick with Sony, then Samsung, then Sharp or LG.

Philips and Vizio and off brands are the worst. If you ever have to program a remote with actual discrete IR codes then you'll understand why.

Sony is going all LED. A 55" with really good video processing is less than $2k.

136 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 10:44:23pm

phew!

i've fulfilled the promise i foolishly made to one of my customers, and now i can get to bed on time and be bright eyed and bushy tailed - i hope - for my regular job tomorrow

137 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:08:16pm

re: #20 engineer cat

what the hell is "kislew" doing in this spanish wordlist?

I have no idea. What does 'kislew' mean in Spanish?

"Fiddle-dee-dee's not English."

"I never said it was."

"Why don't you tell me the English for 'fiddle-dee-dee', and I'll tell you the French for it?"

"Queens never make bargains."

138 Guanxi88  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:10:06pm

Ni hao, SFZ! It's been a long time - far too long.

139 Guanxi88  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:11:07pm

And, of course, appropriate greetings to whichever reptiles may also lurk here.

140 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:11:26pm

re: #135 Kronocide

Stick with Sony, then Samsung, then Sharp or LG.

Philips and Vizio and off brands are the worst. If you ever have to program a remote with actual discrete IR codes then you'll understand why.

Sony is going all LED. A 55" with really good video processing is less than $2k.

I'll say that LED is worth the extra price, but I have to stick up for Vizio as a bargain brand. I don't know much about the remote programming since my Logitech does it all for me, though.

141 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:12:16pm

breaking bad is back and everything is right in the universe once more

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:12:20pm

re: #138 Guanxi88

Ni hao, SFZ! It's been a long time - far too long.

Good to see you round these parts.

143 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:13:13pm

re: #141 SpaceJesus

breaking bad is back and everything is right in the universe once more

I'm DVRing it. Netflix just now got season 4 so I have to play catch up grumble grumble.

144 Guanxi88  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:13:41pm

Just now, I'm preparing to pack and move.

New digs, a brand new GHQ awaits.

And, most interestingly and surprisingly of all, I've managed to wrest the old homestead from the ex. She's begging me to take the place off her hands....

With a bit of luck, I may yet end up fulfilling my life-long dream of slum-lording.

Ha!

145 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:14:27pm

re: #143 Mocking Jay

the opening scene was shot like 400 feet from my apartment.

i want some bacon and eggs so bad right now.

also, magnets

146 Guanxi88  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:16:20pm

Yes, my Dream Kingdom:

A few rent-houses hither, thither, and yon, to fund my intermediate-range goal of owning a 50-space trailer park, liquor store, and pawn/pay-day loan enterprise.

As it seems to me, looking things over, nice guys finish last, assuming they survive the race at all.

147 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:16:45pm

re: #145 SpaceJesus

the opening scene was shot like 400 feet from my apartment.

i want some bacon and eggs so bad right now.

also, magnets

I don't know what you're talking about and I'm going to assume they're spoilers so I don't wanna know.

Comprende?

148 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:18:13pm

Okay, I've stayed up too late. If my boss is disappointed that I'm a little sleepy on the job I'll just say that I retroactively went to sleep at 11.

149 Guanxi88  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:21:08pm

re: #148 Mocking Jay

Used to have that problem.

Three words:

Moda
F*cking
Finil.

150 Kronocide  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:30:17pm

re: #140 Mocking Jay

I'll say that LED is worth the extra price, but I have to stick up for Vizio as a bargain brand. I don't know much about the remote programming since my Logitech does it all for me, though.

Vizio is a good bargain brand. But they're a bitch to integrate with control equipment.

Sony is trying to get out of the bargain game too.

151 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 15, 2012 11:47:37pm

re: #147 Mocking Jay

i know. i didnt reveal anything.

152 researchok  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 12:58:50am

Morning, all

153 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:10:34am

re: #73 Gus

I'm all for for busting Romney's balls over Bain but I'm not for any investigation, charges, or any talk of maleficence.

Do not see this as a smoking gun or anything felonious in nature or intent: it just indicates that although Mitt is a successful businessman, he is not the kind of businessman we want as CEO of America.

154 researchok  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:12:09am

Morning, all

155 researchok  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 1:48:44am

Romney's fundraising potential far from tapped: federal disclosures

Of the big donors helping propel the fundraising of U.S. Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, fewer than 1 percent have hit the limit they can donate to his election bid, suggesting cash is likely to keep pouring into his coffers.

Only 40 donors have given $75,800 -- the maximum individuals are allowed to give before the November 6 election -- to the joint Victory fund that Romney shares with the Republican National Committees, according to a Reuters analysis of the fund's first campaign finance filing submitted late on Sunday.

That is a drop in the bucket of some 19,000 named donors -- those who have given a total of at least $200 and so triggered the threshold for federal disclosure. About 2,000 of those named donors to the Victory fund have given at least $25,000 but can give more before hitting the limit, the analysis showed.

156 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 2:47:39am

Has anyone else's internet been very intermittent tonight? For the last 6 hours or so mine has been off more than on.

157 sagehen  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 2:57:09am

re: #156 freetoken

Has anyone else's internet been very intermittent tonight? For the last 6 hours or so mine has been off more than on.

I thought it was a LiveJournal problem...

158 sagehen  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:07:51am

So did anybody else watch "Political Animals" last night? (they're rerunning the pilot several times this week before the next episode)

It was OMG the most BLATANT Hillary imaginable. A former first lady (Sigourny Weaver), who ran for President, now Secretary of State to the President who beat her in the primaries... and she's going to run again.

Minor differences -- she divorced her philandering ex, she has two sons (one of them gay). The American journalists arrested and accused of spying (that her ex has to go negotiate for their release) are in Iran instead of Korea.

The show would be plenty entertaining on its own terms, as an updated West Wing-ish program, except that... they really don't want you to suspend your disbelief. At all.

159 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:09:59am

re: #158 sagehen

There is no political fiction that can astound and make us gape in disbelief more than the real thing nowadays

160 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:31:35am

re: #157 sagehen

I thought it was a LiveJournal problem...

Entire swaths of the internet have been like molasses to me the past 6 hours or so... dropped packets, very slow replies on pings, etc.

161 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 3:34:08am

I recall some warning about a virus or anti-virus measure that could affect up to 300 million Internet users today...have had no problems so far.

162 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:14:43am

re: #161 Expand Your Ground

I recall some warning about a virus or anti-virus measure that could affect up to 300 million Internet users today...have had no problems so far.

I thought that was last week.

163 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:15:45am

hmm. maybe time-delayed?

164 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:21:10am

re: #162 Learned Mother of Zion

I thought that was last week.

Same here
And the number those expected to be affected was much lower iirc

165 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:21:28am

re: #163 Expand Your Ground

hmm. maybe time-delayed?

I'll answer that later!
/

166 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:27:21am

re: #163 Expand Your Ground

hmm. maybe time-delayed?

You're just experiencing it retroactively.

167 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 4:31:10am

re: #166 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I answered that last week!

168 Mattand  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 5:07:31am

re: #126 Dark_Falcon

In his sequel to hisThe Dark Knight graphic novel, Frank Miller had Braniac use a miniaturized city from Krypton to blackmail Superman into obeying Braniac and Lex Luthor.

Worst. Comic book. Ever. The first sign that Miller was losing his shit.

169 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 5:12:58am

re: #168 Mattand

Worst. Comic book. Ever. The first sign that Miller was losing his shit.

There's a comic where Frank Miller gets kidnapped by a mysterious gang, and in order to ransom himself he has to create a female character who isn't a prostitute.

Can't find it now because of the firewall.

170 Mattand  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 5:30:30am

re: #169 Learned Mother of Zion

There's a comic where Frank Miller gets kidnapped by a mysterious gang, and in order to ransom himself he has to create a female character who isn't a prostitute.

Can't find it now because of the firewall.

I'm guessing he fails. Miserably.

I think the mysterious gang turns out to be his mortal enemies, Occupy Wall Street. Because, you know, LIBURLS!!! I've also noticed over the years that Frank has a bit of a racist streak that wells up every so often.

For entertainment, go read the Amazon reviews of Holy Terror.

Plus, the art in DKR was atrocious.

171 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 5:33:05am

I am seeing a lot of organ donors motorcycle riders on the road without helmets or leathers.

Hey guys I know that it's totally hot outside and Michigan repealed the law requiring bikers to wear helmets, but jeez.

172 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 5:35:46am

re: #171 Learned Mother of Zion

I am seeing a lot of organ donors motorcycle riders on the road without helmets or leathers.

Hey guys I know that it's totally hot outside and Michigan repealed the law requiring bikers to wear helmets, but jeez.

Uninsured motorcycle riders without helmets are absolute poster children for the personal mandate...

173 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:12:37am

dead zone...

174 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:18:38am

Morning Lizardim. I'm back in the hot and humid wild north country from the ... hot and humid fish country. I just can't get away from it, can I. It was a good vacation; breaded pork tenderloin, fresh squeezed lemonade, and some time with my new nephew. Oh, and as a bonus, a few hours out in the barn tuning a few from my dad's collection of antique John Deeres. What's new from the front lines in the war on derp?

175 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:24:15am

re: #169 Learned Mother of Zion

There's a comic where Frank Miller gets kidnapped by a mysterious gang, and in order to ransom himself he has to create a female character who isn't a prostitute.

Can't find it now because of the firewall.

Heh. The first episode of the "Excel Saga" anime is the main character being sent on a mission to kill a manga artist since manga is a corrupting influence on the society her group wants to form. And she is sent after the artist of the Excel Saga manga... :)

176 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:24:54am

re: #172 Expand Your Ground

Uninsured motorcycle riders without helmets are absolute poster children for the personal mandate...

I get your point but who said they were uninsured!

That stated, I wouldn't mind if un-helmeted MC riders would have to sign a waiver/ pay an extra premium if they chose to ride sans helmets

177 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:26:29am

Unless there is a personal mandate, then there is no guarantee, and at least statistically, one in four is not.

178 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:27:20am

re: #174 thedopefishlives

You've got JP Morgan ripping people off by being dicks:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

And the governor of Missouri vetoed a stupid anti-abortion law, but it'll probably get overturned.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

179 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:33:10am

re: #178 Obdicut

You've got JP Morgan ripping people off by being dicks:

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

And the governor of Missouri vetoed a stupid anti-abortion law, but it'll probably get overturned.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Holy crap, that JP Morgan story gave me the chills. They can actually do that and get away with it?

180 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:39:22am

re: #178 Obdicut

And the governor of Missouri vetoed a stupid anti-abortion law, but it'll probably get overturned.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

I hate to say it, but we need to see laws on the books like this in a few states in order to make people realize what the GOP has planned for all of us...

181 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:39:51am

Good morning Lizards! Hot and humid this past weekend in Philly with a few thunderstorms rolling through last night.

My brother and niece came through town as well. She is going to a marine camp thingy down in Virginia for a few days. So I met them for dinner on Saturday night and then breakfast/brunch on Sunday.

Dinner on Saturday was at a German place over in a suburb called Gladwyne that is in a pretty old building. Good food and good conversation.

Sunday brunch was nothing special, but we also stopped at the Valley Forge National Park. I'd never been there other than driving through a few of the local roads that cut through it at night. Nice small set of exhibits, there are trolley tours, and it looks like a great place to go bicycle or run and take a packed lunch. (Recommended for a visit!)

182 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:40:29am

re: #179 thedopefishlives

Holy crap, that JP Morgan story gave me the chills. They can actually do that and get away with it?

They can do whatever the hell they want.

183 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:46:01am

Fact checking the presidential candidates

Youtube Video

Presented by Glenn Kessler, The Washington Post's "The Fact Checker," as part of the NCAS 25th Anniversary event "Thinking Outside the Box" - June 10, 2012 in Silver Spring, MD.

184 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:49:08am

re: #182 Learned Mother of Zion

They can do whatever the hell they want.

Horse hockey. I'm paying them to do as I say with my money. If they don't listen, that's breach of contract, which I'm guessing is among the charges.

185 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:56:52am

re: #171 Learned Mother of Zion

I am seeing a lot of organ donors motorcycle riders on the road without helmets or leathers.

Hey guys I know that it's totally hot outside and Michigan repealed the law requiring bikers to wear helmets, but jeez.

Saw the same thing in Arizona and New Mexico. Mindboggling.

186 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:58:05am

re: #176 sattv4u2

I get your point but who said they were uninsured!

That stated, I wouldn't mind if un-helmeted MC riders would have to sign a waiver/ pay an extra premium if they chose to ride sans helmets

They should also pay into a fund for the first responders who have to scrape their remains off the pavement.

187 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:06:03am

Left-wing nutcase David Frum on Mr. Romney's Bad, Terrible Week:

"I’m not sure how many people watching this spectacle even remember that it’s nominally about whether Romney is responsible for outsourcing Bain did post-February 1999 or its investment in a company that serviced abortion clinics. I barely remember it myself. What’s driving this now is that the Obama camp has backed Romney into a position in which he looks ridiculous — something much more lethal for presidential candidates than most people appreciate."

From his Daily Beast column

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

188 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:07:52am

re: #186 Sionainn

They should also pay into a fund for the first responders who have to scrape their remains off the pavement.

Pass a law that requires motorcyclists to carry a spatula on their bikes...so the first responders can get them off the road easily. "Spatula" was my nickname for ambulances when we lived in the mountains above Highway 84 in Woodside. Saturday and Sunday mornings we'd hear the bikers winding through the trees, and soon after, the inevitable siren.

189 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:08:45am

From the "No Shit" column:

Romney Suggests Releasing Additional Tax Returns Could Be Politically Damaging

190 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:09:14am

re: #188 darthstar

Pass a law that requires motorcyclists to carry a spatula on their bikes...so the first responders can get them off the road easily. "Spatula" was my nickname for ambulances when we lived in the mountains above Highway 84 in Woodside. Saturday and Sunday mornings we'd hear the bikers winding through the trees, and soon after, the inevitable siren.

...a huge spatula and a body bag. I really feel for first responders who have to deal with the remains of horrific crashes.

191 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:10:28am

re: #171 Learned Mother of Zion

I am seeing a lot of organ donors motorcycle riders on the road without helmets or leathers.

Hey guys I know that it's totally hot outside and Michigan repealed the law requiring bikers to wear helmets, but jeez.

My favorites are the ones where both the guy AND the girl on the back are riding with no protective gear. It's like, what, are you trying to get a twofer deal at the morgue or something? I saw one of those on I-94 on the way home from fish country; they were flying along at about 75 mph. I just about lost it when an idiotic old man nearly sideswiped them off the road.

192 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:10:37am

Damage control - UR doing it wrong

193 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:11:28am

re: #191 thedopefishlives

My favorites are the ones where both the guy AND the girl on the back are riding with no protective gear.

Not even a condom!?!

194 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:14:42am

re: #189 Targetpractice

From the "No Shit" column:

Romney Suggests Releasing Additional Tax Returns Could Be Politically Damaging

He also knew talking to reporters outside of Fox would be damaging, but eventually gave in and did it, before running back to the den where he stays today.

195 darthstar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:15:05am

Time to run the dogs...bbl.

196 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:15:26am

re: #189 Targetpractice

From the "No Shit" column:

Romney Suggests Releasing Additional Tax Returns Could Be Politically Damaging

If he doesn't release them, everyone gets to massage their worst opinion of him until November. Good strategy.

I love the smell of staff incompetence in the morning...

197 Targetpractice  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:18:14am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

If he doesn't release them, everyone gets to massage their worst opinion of him until November. Good strategy.

I love the smell of staff incompetence in the morning...

Oh, it gets better:

Romney Accuses Obama Of Paying Off Top Donors, Won’t Release His Own Donor List

198 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:28:20am

re: #118 Gus

One can self educate.

As one self educated, you can. But it makes things very hard. Those who are 'properly educated' regard self education as a put down. They spent tens of thousands of dollars on their education and here comes someone who learned by keeping their nose in a book and/or buying equipment and learning how it works.

It makes the 'properly educated' look bad in their minds. So they work hard to make sure the self educated person gets shuffled into dead ends in the system and if possible pushed right out of the field altogether.

It happened to me when I was a computer programmer.

199 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:29:24am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Oh, it gets better:

Romney Accuses Obama Of Paying Off Top Donors, Won’t Release His Own Donor List

Good going, Ed! Now millions of people thousands of people the few people who are paying attention are going to start thinking, "I wonder what Romney's top donors expect to get if he becomes President."

200 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:33:44am

re: #185 Sionainn

Saw the same thing in Arizona and New Mexico. Mindboggling.

Florida beat them to it years ago under Jeb Bush. They only need to have $10,000 in insurance (if they have it), so the rest of us can pay for their head injuries.

201 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:43:29am

re: #197 Targetpractice

Oh, it gets better:

Romney Accuses Obama Of Paying Off Top Donors, Won’t Release His Own Donor List

Wow he comes across more and more desperate by the day.

202 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:59:14am

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Wow he comes across more and more desperate by the day.

He is desperate. He knows that the only friends he has in middle America are the rabid racist Obama-hating fringe kooks. He can see the demographics of the United States and knows that his rich friends can only buy him so many votes.

203 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:01:21am

re: #202 thedopefishlives

He is desperate. He knows that the only friends he has in middle America are the rabid racist Obama-hating fringe kooks. He can see the demographics of the United States and knows that his rich friends can only buy him so many votes.

I would welcome any arguments from him that he is capable of doing a better job than Obama.

Before he started the campaign, he even gave some indications that he could. But since the camapign started, all he has managed to demonstrate is that he is to the right of Obama and generally opposed to anything Obama has done.

204 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:11:31am

re: #203 Expand Your Ground

I would welcome any arguments from him that he is capable of doing a better job than Obama.

Before he started the campaign, he even gave some indications that he could. But since the camapign started, all he has managed to demonstrate is that he is to the right of Obama and generally opposed to anything Obama has done.

Anyone whose only line, when pressed, is "Well, at least I'm not the other guy" is not a good fit for managing a McDonald's, let alone the United States of America.

205 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:13:39am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm heartened to hear that Romney has admitted that he worked at Bain from 1999 to 2002. But then retroactively retired (first identified as a big problem by yours truly here on Thursday).

Oh wait. He hasn't. He's been busy trying to get the President to apologize for making accurate statements about Romney's business activities. If Romney wants to run on a business record, he can't run away and say he retired for the years in question when he was still a responsible person for the years in question. The severance deal may address certain aspects of work, but for purposes of the IRS and potential lawsuits, he would have been brought in as a responsible person as a sole shareholder, CEO, and managing director as per multiple SEC filings.

Romney's better bet is to try and claim that Obama's going after Romney's decades old business practices because Obama can't run on his business growth record since being president, but even that doesn't completely hold up to scrutiny. The economy has rebounded since the President was elected, but not as fast or as much as anyone would have hoped for. The GOP has contributed to that by blocking any kind of programs that might create new jobs - particularly infrastructure jobs, to say nothing of the debt ceiling fight and undermining the President's economic policies at every turn.

However, watch for Romney to go and announce his VP choice as a diversion to dealing with the Bain Capital records. Easier to make positive headlines that way for him, and if I were advising Romney on this, now would be the time to let that news go.

206 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:20:11am

re: #198 Romantic Heretic

As one self educated, you can. But it makes things very hard. Those who are 'properly educated' regard self education as a put down. They spent tens of thousands of dollars on their education and here comes someone who learned by keeping their nose in a book and/or buying equipment and learning how it works.

It makes the 'properly educated' look bad in their minds. So they work hard to make sure the self educated person gets shuffled into dead ends in the system and if possible pushed right out of the field altogether.

It happened to me when I was a computer programmer.

George Washington was self educated.
Thomas Edison was homeschooled.
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who was apprenticed to a bookbinder and self-educated.
Benjamin Franklin was a dabbler who was able to retire and dabble full-time.
Two words: Abraham Lincoln.

That's my feelings on self education.

207 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:22:29am

re: #198 Romantic Heretic

As one self educated, you can. But it makes things very hard. Those who are 'properly educated' regard self education as a put down. They spent tens of thousands of dollars on their education and here comes someone who learned by keeping their nose in a book and/or buying equipment and learning how it works.

It makes the 'properly educated' look bad in their minds. So they work hard to make sure the self educated person gets shuffled into dead ends in the system and if possible pushed right out of the field altogether.

It happened to me when I was a computer programmer.

Actually, not really. Oh, there are some -- and I've noticed it more as you reach the post-graduate (masters and doctorate) levels. But there are some fairly important other things.

First and foremost is that you know someone who's had a formal education has had certain classes. Taking it back to high school level, you don't have to wonder if they've skipped biology. If they had formal education in programming you know they've had documentation classes and that they've had various secondary elements introduced. They're certain to have holes, but the employer and boss and co-worker know what holes exist.

A variation of this and compounding it is that the typical self-educated programmer doesn't know what he's missing, or possibly does but doesn't see any reason to learn it.

For what it's worth, the computer industry has a work-around -- though most people in the trenches scoff at it. That's the various certifications. I think they're something of a waste for those who can show formal education, but for those of us who are self-taught (yes, me too) they show that we know things the industry thinks necessary to know.

In my experience, in the computer industry either your "self-taught" problems go away after a few weeks demonstrating what you know, or you really do have problems that need to be addressed. Since the other guy's the one that's paying, whether it's your or their ignorance it's your problem.

208 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:24:02am

re: #205 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm heartened to hear that Romney has admitted that he worked at Bain from 1999 to 2002. But then retroactively retired (first identified as a big problem by yours truly here on Thursday).

Oh wait. He hasn't. He's been busy trying to get the President to apologize for making accurate statements about Romney's business activities. If Romney wants to run on a business record, he can't run away and say he retired for the years in question when he was still a responsible person for the years in question. The severance deal may address certain aspects of work, but for purposes of the IRS and potential lawsuits, he would have been brought in as a responsible person as a sole shareholder, CEO, and managing director as per multiple SEC filings.

Romney's better bet is to try and claim that Obama's going after Romney's decades old business practices because Obama can't run on his business growth record since being president, but even that doesn't completely hold up to scrutiny. The economy has rebounded since the President was elected, but not as fast or as much as anyone would have hoped for. The GOP has contributed to that by blocking any kind of programs that might create new jobs - particularly infrastructure jobs, to say nothing of the debt ceiling fight and undermining the President's economic policies at every turn.

However, watch for Romney to go and announce his VP choice as a diversion to dealing with the Bain Capital records. Easier to make positive headlines that way for him, and if I were advising Romney on this, now would be the time to let that news go.

Yep. Rumor says it's to be announced this week, though I'd not be surprised to see buzz generated with teasers and then take an extra week to actually announce. Not two, however, not if he intends to keep the news off Bain.

209 Decatur Deb  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:26:00am

re: #208 kirkspencer

Yep. Rumor says it's to be announced this week, though I'd not be surprised to see buzz generated with teasers and then take an extra week to actually announce. Not two, however, not if he intends to keep the news off Bain.

Even the VP choice poses a strategic problem. Do they release more than 1.5 years of tax returns?

210 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:29:06am

re: #209 Decatur Deb

Even the VP choice poses a strategic problem. Do they release more than 1.5 years of tax returns?

If he wants to show real business experience for his administration he just has to nominate for VP a corporation that was formed in the US (native born) more than 35 years ago.
;)

211 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:29:33am

IRONY ALERT

212 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:30:15am

Sandy Rios: Child Abuse is tied to 'Homosexual Recruitment'

Sandy Rios of the American Family Association last week discussed Louis Freeh’s report on the Penn State child abuse scandal, and like countless other anti-gay activists, tied child abuse to homosexuality, a claim dismissed by groups like the American Psychological Association but commonplace on the far-right fringe. While likening the Penn State scandal to child abuse found in the Catholic Church, Rios said that Catholic seminaries were “just festering with homosexual activism” and “homosexual recruitment,” leading to child molestation:

Fischer: Lesson from Penn State is to Keep Gays Out of the Boy Scouts

As Brian noted in the last post, the Religious Right is hard at work trying to link the abuse scandal at Penn State to homosexuality and it is no surprise to see the AFA Bryan Fischer making the connection as well, declaring that the lesson to be taken the Freeh Report is that gays must be kept out of the Boy Scouts:

213 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:31:18am

re: #211 Learned Mother of Zion

IRONY ALERT

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Hahaha. Yeah poor businessmen can't catch a break in this country. And yeah the irony is obvious.

214 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:32:38am

re: #212 Kragar

Sandy Rios: Child Abuse is tied to 'Homosexual Recruitment'

Fischer: Lesson from Penn State is to Keep Gays Out of the Boy Scouts

This reminds me of the Funny or Die video with the presidents reunion, and Chevy Chase as Ford is talking about Wall Street reform and the only solution being to pardon Richard Nixon. Sandusky was a married man. If Fischer wants to exploit the tragedy of PSU to rationalize his homophobic bullshit, he can go fuck himself.

215 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:33:01am

re: #211 Learned Mother of Zion

IRONY ALERT

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Calling her a twit is an insult to other twits.

216 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:34:33am

Romney: Teresa Heinz Kerry Didn’t Release Tax Returns, Either!

But Kerry actually released 20 years of returns when he challenged President George W. Bush in 2004.

“John Kerry ran for president,” Mitt Romney said Monday morning on “Fox & Friends.” “You know, his wife, who has hundreds of millions of dollars, she never released her tax returns. Somehow, this wasn’t an issue.”

Heinz Kerry, an heiress to the Heinz food fortune, was pressured during Kerry’s presidential run to release tax returns, which she files separately from her husband. She ultimately released a portion of her 2003 returns in October 2004, after an initial estimate in May of the same year.

217 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:35:29am

re: #216 Kragar

Romney: Teresa Heinz Kerry Didn’t Release Tax Returns, Either!

When did Teresa Heinz Kerry run for president?

218 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:36:47am

re: #176 sattv4u2

I get your point but who said they were uninsured!

That stated, I wouldn't mind if un-helmeted MC riders would have to sign a waiver/ pay an extra premium if they chose to ride sans helmets

(Digging backward through the thread) It's what they do in Texas. You can ride helmetless legally if your insurance card shows the appropriate rider.

Me, I ride with helmet and jacket. Which reminds me I need to make a new jacket soon. (Reinforced waxed cotton canvas. Not quite as skid-worthy as leather, but it's lots cheaper, breathes, deals with water, and I can make the darn thing fit my fat frame.)

219 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:36:57am

re: #216 Kragar

Romney: Teresa Heinz Kerry Didn’t Release Tax Returns, Either!

Desperate candidate acts desperate when whining about how a candidate's wife didn't release her taxes and it seems he can't even get his story straight about that. Guy is such a whiny brat when he's called out the bs artist he is.

220 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:38:00am

All these refusals to release his tax returns can mean only one thing.

They show that Mitt was actually born in Kenya.
/

221 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:41:31am

re: #216 Kragar

Romney: Teresa Heinz Kerry Didn’t Release Tax Returns, Either!

So is he saying Ann Romney doesn't have to release hers? Fine. Except they probably filed jointly which means he doesn't have to release his either!

222 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:42:27am

re: #219 HappyWarrior

Even GOP operatives are saying he should just release them to get the issue out of the way. A sting for a day or two is better than dragging it out over period of weeks - as he's in the process of doing.

And there are four possible reasons for why he would not release those records:

My take is that it's got to do with what investments he made, more than any obscene amount of money made, or effective tax rate he managed.

After all, we don't penalize people for making crazy money - that's the ideal. Heck, even low taxes aren't an anathema considering that every business and many people seeks to reduce their tax burden using the tax code to their advantage. So, it likely comes down to how that money was made - what he invested in and when.

223 iossarian  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:43:21am

Romney/Bain and business before 1999.

With assessments like these, if I were Romney I'd throw in the towel and accept responsibility for 1999-2002 as well. It can't get much worse than this:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

224 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:43:32am

Heated Emails Point To Growing Divide In Texas Education Board Elections

During his two-year tenure on the Texas State Board of Education, George Clayon was widely considered one of the committee’s more discerning, moderate GOP members. He’s supported evolutionary theory, come out as gay, and presented, according to the Texas Freedom Network, “a voice of sanity” — all of which may explain why Clayton finished third in the Republican primary for his Dallas-area seat in late May.

But, as unearthed by the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, a series of recent emails show that Clayton, who will remain at his post until Jan. 1, won’t simply acquiesce his seat. Addressing Donna Gardner, a well-known campaigner for the board’s creationist arm, Clayton reveals his write-in candidacy while slamming Gail Spurlock and Geraldine “Tincy” Miller, the two remaining candidates for the GOP nomination:

You and Gail [Spurlock] carry a Bible in one hand and a bag of stones in the other. If you have not figured it out yet, I will let you in. I plan to continue my campaign as a write in candidate in the November general election. It will be very high profile and, this time, with gloves off.


Gardner’s response, to be fair, was laced with less ad hominem and maintained a focus on Spurlock’s credentials. But Clayton’s follow-up stood by his original email:

Donna, you are as big a fake as Gail. Gail has no college degree. She is not teacher certified. She has never taught in the public schools. She is a hard right wing agenda driven bigot. Her zeal for her political/religious agenda is dangeous.

225 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:44:50am

re: #222 lawhawk

Even GOP operatives are saying he should just release them to get the issue out of the way. A sting for a day or two is better than dragging it out over period of weeks - as he's in the process of doing.

And there are four possible reasons for why he would not release those records:

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My take is that it's got to do with what investments he made, more than any obscene amount of money made, or effective tax rate he managed.

After all, we don't penalize people for making crazy money - that's the ideal. Heck, even low taxes aren't an anathema considering that every business and many people seeks to reduce their tax burden using the tax code to their advantage. So, it likely comes down to how that money was made - what he invested in and when.

Yeah, I think it's an investment issue too. Contrary to what Mitt and his defenders believe, the gripe most of his critics have with him isn't his wealth at all.

226 blueraven  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:45:23am

Uh oh

Zimmerman relative, ‘Witness 9′ accused Zimmerman of racial bias

a woman identified by prosecutors as Witness 9, is a younger relative of Zimmerman’s, who contacted Sanford, Florida police shortly after the February 26th shooting. During the call, the woman made allegations that Zimmerman’s attorneys said could be highly prejudicial against their client, and could make it hard for Zimmerman to get a fair trial. Among them: that Zimmerman “hates black people” and that his family also harbors biased racial views.

Prosecutors previously released audio of the woman’s call to police, but on Friday, Judge Kenneth Lester ordered a second, more detailed statement to two state attorney’s investigators to be handed over to the media, along with 145 jailhouse calls between Zimmerman and family members while he was incarcerated in Seminole County’s jail. Those calls allegedly include Zimmerman “coaching” family members on how to hide money raised through his website, according to a report in the Orlando Sentinel.

“I don’t know what happened,” the woman said, referring to the shooting. Her voice sounded shaken and she seemed close to tears on the recording released by prosecutors last month. “I don’t know at all who this kid was, or anything else. But I know George. And I know that he does not like black people, and he would start something.”

“He’s a very confrontational person,” the woman said of Zimmerman. “It’s in his blood, let’s just say that. And I don’t … I don’t want this poor kid and their family to just be overlooked.”

the woman said she came forward because she was “afraid that he may have done something because the kid was black.” She alleged that when the two were growing up, Zimmerman’s family, and particularly his mother, “made statements that they don’t like black people.” She said that the family only “like black people if they act white. Other than that they talk a lot of bad things about black people.”

The woman also alleged that Zimmerman’s mother Gladys, who is Peruvian, made statements in front of her co-workers, some of whom were black, that she didn’t like President Barack Obama “because he’s black,” and that she proclaimed in the presence of those co-workers that she was a “proud racist.”

227 HappyWarrior  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:47:10am

re: #226 blueraven

Uh oh

Zimmerman relative, ‘Witness 9′ accused Zimmerman of racial bias

Speaking of those who dig themselves in holes.

228 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:50:02am

Red Cross declares Syrian conflict to be civil war

Syria's 16-month bloodbath crossed an important symbolic threshold Sunday as the international Red Cross formally declared the conflict a civil war, a status with implications for potential war crimes prosecutions.

The Red Cross statement came as United Nations observers gathered new details on what happened in a village where dozens were reported killed in a regime assault. After a second visit to Tremseh on Sunday, the team said Syrian troops went door-to-door in the small farming community, checking residents' IDs and then killing some and taking others away.

According to the U.N., the attack appeared to target army defectors and activists.

"Pools of blood and brain matter were observed in a number of homes," a U.N. statement said.

229 iossarian  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:52:34am

re: #222 lawhawk

Even GOP operatives are saying he should just release them to get the issue out of the way. A sting for a day or two is better than dragging it out over period of weeks - as he's in the process of doing.

And there are four possible reasons for why he would not release those records:

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My take is that it's got to do with what investments he made, more than any obscene amount of money made, or effective tax rate he managed.

After all, we don't penalize people for making crazy money - that's the ideal. Heck, even low taxes aren't an anathema considering that every business and many people seeks to reduce their tax burden using the tax code to their advantage. So, it likely comes down to how that money was made - what he invested in and when.

I think the effective tax rate will be interesting, especially depending on how it's achieved.

It's one thing to take the standard deductions for your dependents and to itemize charitable donations. It's another to pay yourself a million dollars in some offshore shell account and deduct a resulting "business expense".

"Donations to the Iossarian Happy Farms Inc. Retirement Fund: $100M"

"Remaining income subject to tax: $0"

230 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:01:39am

re: #206 Mostly sane, most of the time.

George Washington was self educated.
Thomas Edison was homeschooled.
Michael Faraday was the son of a blacksmith who was apprenticed to a bookbinder and self-educated.
Benjamin Franklin was a dabbler who was able to retire and dabble full-time.
Two words: Abraham Lincoln.

That's my feelings on self education.

That tells me that self-education may work for you if you're Washington, Edison, Faraday, Franklin or Lincoln. How is it for the vast run of people who aren't any of the above?

231 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:02:35am

re: #226 blueraven

Uh oh

Zimmerman relative, ‘Witness 9′ accused Zimmerman of racial bias

And I was about to change my display name to something more topical like "Bain in the Ass"...

232 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:04:37am

re: #230 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

That tells me that self-education may work for you if you're Washington, Edison, Faraday, Franklin or Lincoln. How is it for the vast run of people who aren't any of the above?

And that was all in past centuries when it was still possible to glean nearly everything you needed to know from experience, oberservation and reading.

The modern world of science and technology has grown a bit too complex. I am all in favor of granting college credit, but in general, you need to finish some sort of degree program.

233 blueraven  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:08:05am

If "corporations are people, my friend".

Someone "person" has responsibility for Bain's decisions from 1999-2001
Who is it?

234 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:08:32am

re: #232 Expand Your Ground

And that was all in past centuries when it was still possible to glean nearly everything you needed to know from experience, oberservation and reading.

The modern world of science and technology has grown a bit too complex. I am all in favor of granting college credit, but in general, you need to finish some sort of degree program.

For many fields, accreditation is needed to ensure a person has the required proficiencies. Whether they achieved them from a formal education or self study should have no bearing if they possess the required skill set.

235 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:20:11am

Meanwhile, I'll continue to laugh at all the guys in my office attending college who keep coming to me as a subject matter expert on everything from world history to Latin to political theory.

236 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:23:48am

New Romney Video Uses Footage Of Obama Singing

After the Obama campaign hit Mitt Romney with a brutal ad featuring Romney singing, the Romney campaign is out with a new web video Monday morning using footage of President Obama famously singing a line of Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together” back in January. The video is titled “Political Payoffs And Middle Class Layoffs” and the line – “I’m so in love with you” – is used in the video as a love note from the president to his donors.

Does Romney really want to go there?

Youtube Video
237 The Left  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:25:57am

re: #236 Kragar

New Romney Video Uses Footage Of Obama Singing

Does Romney really want to go there?

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I don't think they've thought this through....

238 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:27:03am

re: #237 Millicent Islam

I don't think they've thought this through...

Obama releasing video claiming Romney "out of tune" in 5..4..3..

239 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:27:43am

re: #236 Kragar

New Romney Video Uses Footage Of Obama Singing

Does Romney really want to go there?

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This does indicate that there is a certain lack of, er, coordination between Romney and his PAC...There are things to criticize about Obama, but his singing is the least of it.

240 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:28:32am

re: #238 Kragar

Obama releasing video claiming Romney "out of tune" in 5..4..3..

Obama is definitely the better singer. American Idol politics has become a reality.

241 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:28:38am

re: #237 Millicent Islam

I don't think they've thought this through...

It seems that that's becoming a theme.

242 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:30:01am

re: #236 Kragar

New Romney Video Uses Footage Of Obama Singing

Does Romney really want to go there?

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Obama went there first.

Apparently, the Romney campaign can't tell the difference between a bad singer proving he knows the lyrics to a patriotic song, and a good singer wowing the wimmins.

243 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:32:47am

re: #242 wrenchwench

Obama went there first.

Apparently, the Romney campaign can't tell the difference between a bad singer proving he knows the lyrics to a patriotic song, and a good singer wowing the wimmins.

A good singer? Well, He's no Pat Boone.
///

244 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:34:22am

re: #240 Killgore Trout

Obama is definitely the better singer. American Idol politics has become a reality.

perhaps Steve Tyler quit American Idol so he would be available to moderate the debates...

245 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:35:07am

re: #243 Kragar

A good singer? Well, He's no Pat Boone.
///

You say that like it's a bad thing.

Youtube Video
246 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:37:20am

BTW, for the last couple of days, YouTube links hijack the tab and give me the full screen version, even from a preview popup. If I click with the scroll wheel, I get a new tab, but still the full screen version of the vid. Is it just me?

247 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:38:22am

re: #245 wrenchwench

You say that like it's a bad thing.

[Embedded content]

KILL IT WITH FIRE!!!

Youtube Video
248 freetoken  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:39:44am

re: #246 wrenchwench

me too.

same with mp3s.

249 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:42:24am

re: #246 wrenchwench

BTW, for the last couple of days, YouTube links hijack the tab and give me the full screen version, even from a preview popup. If I click with the scroll wheel, I get a new tab, but still the full screen version of the vid. Is it just me?

I've been fine.

250 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:43:42am

Pat Robertson: Dump Your Muslim Girlfriend

A 700 Club viewer asked Pat Robertson today if he should marry his Muslim girlfriend of three years even though he is a Christian, to which Robertson responded, “no way.” “She wants to do her Muslim thing and you want to do your Christian thing,” Robertson said, “walk away.” He urged him to pray for her to become a Christian, “and if that doesn’t work say, ‘I’m sorry, good bye.’” Robertson, who is no fan of Muslims, explained that it isn’t necessarily Christ-like to be “nice and friendly” as “he’s not gentle Jesus, meek and mild, he really isn’t.”

251 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:45:15am

re: #211 Learned Mother of Zion

IRONY ALERT

[Embedded content]

Oy, Pam, what a mouthful you just said...

252 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:47:56am

re: #246 wrenchwench

BTW, for the last couple of days, YouTube links hijack the tab and give me the full screen version, even from a preview popup. If I click with the scroll wheel, I get a new tab, but still the full screen version of the vid. Is it just me?

Are you using chrome?I went back to firefox because chrome had too many problems confusing a new window for a new tab. I eventually gave up.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:50:55am

re: #212 Kragar

Sandy Rios: Child Abuse is tied to 'Homosexual Recruitment'

Fischer: Lesson from Penn State is to Keep Gays Out of the Boy Scouts

Oddly, this makes me think of a friend who only had relationships with women for about ten years because a male relative had molested her, and she had panic attacks when she tried to be intimate with men.

Yes, Sandy. Homosexual recruitment.

Bleah.

These lunatics.

254 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:51:58am

re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist

Oy, Pam, what a mouthful you just said...

She totally can't see the "irony" in what she said. Maybe we should call it "Morony."

255 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:52:17am

re: #252 Killgore Trout

Are you using chrome?I went back to firefox because chrome had too many problems confusing a new window for a new tab. I eventually gave up.

No, I'm on Firefox. I tried Chrome, can't even remember why I went back.

256 blueraven  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:55:06am

re: #255 wrenchwench

No, I'm on Firefox. I tried Chrome, can't even remember why I went back.

Same thing happens for me on FF

257 Kragar  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:01:05am

Well, this certainly inspires confidence...

Shell Loses Control Of Arctic Drilling Rig In Alaskan Harbor

Royal Dutch Shell’s preparedness to drill offshore in the harsh and remote Arctic Ocean this summer has been called into question by a series of recent events.

Over the weekend, the company’s drilling rig, the Noble Discoverer, appears to have come dangerously close to running aground near Dutch Harbor, where Shell’s fleet has been assembled. The Noble Discoverer is one of two dozen ships Shell plans to send into some of the most challenging conditions on the planet. According to the US Coast Guard, the vessel slipped anchor and drifted within 100 yards off shore before being pulled back into deeper water by a Shell tugboat.

258 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:01:57am

re: #246 wrenchwench

BTW, for the last couple of days, YouTube links hijack the tab and give me the full screen version, even from a preview popup. If I click with the scroll wheel, I get a new tab, but still the full screen version of the vid. Is it just me?

Just you. I'm on Firefox. No problems, here.

259 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:03:15am

re: #258 Sionainn

Just you.

...and freetoken, and blueraven...

260 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:03:51am

re: #259 wrenchwench

...and freetoken, and blueraven...

LOL. I saw that after I posted. Sorry.

261 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:04:11am

re: #259 wrenchwench

...and freetoken, and blueraven...

Obviously, we need to capitalize our nics.

262 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:05:18am

re: #257 Kragar

Well, this certainly inspires confidence...

Shell Loses Control Of Arctic Drilling Rig In Alaskan Harbor


"the company’s drilling rig, the Noble Discoverer"

Who is it captained by, the 'Great Leader'?

263 Sionainn  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:06:27am

re: #261 wrenchwench

Obviously, we need to capitalize our nics.

That's the ticket!

264 dragonath  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:09:22am

re: #236 Kragar

New Romney Video Uses Footage Of Obama Singing

Does Romney really want to go there?

[Embedded content]

Romney HQ: We need a singing Obama to refute that ad which totally didn't work! Brilliant!

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:11:43am

re: #264 Be Zorch, Daddio

Romney HQ: We need a singing Obama to refute that ad which totally didn't work! Brilliant!

L'havdil, l'havdil, l'havdil, my mind immediately went to "The Producers".

"Will all the dancing Obamas please leave! We are only seeing singing Obamas today!"

266 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:13:14am

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

L'havdil, l'havdil, l'havdil, my mind immediately went to "The Producers".

"Will all the dancing Obamas please leave! We are only seeing singing Obamas today!"

Actually, didn't Obama do a pretty sweet number with some jazz musicians?

267 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:19:50am

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

L'havdil, l'havdil, l'havdil, my mind immediately went to "The Producers".

"Will all the dancing Obamas please leave! We are only seeing singing Obamas today!"

hmm... Mentioning "The Producers" makes me think. What if you tried to gather the worst possible campaign strategy, worst possible campaign manager, and worst possible Presidential candidate. Then none of the massive donors would ask questions after things flopped!
:)

268 dragonath  Mon, Jul 16, 2012 10:25:10am

re: #266 Learned Mother of Zion

Someone should produce a presidential jazz album featuring Democratic presidents. Obama on vocals, Clinton on saxophone, Carter on bongos.


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