That Mitt Romney campaign advertisement we linked to earlier has been pulled from YouTube because Romney didn’t properly license the rights to the music, Al Green’s “Let’s Stay Together.”
This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by BMG_Rights_Management.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:00:13pm |
Right 'bout now, I imagine a lot of the GOP leadership is asking itself "Are primary results really binding?"
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Blizard Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:01:21pm |
I'm sure they could pay for the rights. Retroactively, of course.
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:01:24pm |
The Keystone Cops could have taken lessons on slapstick from the Romney campaign managers.
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andres Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:01:28pm |
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Alexzander Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:02:13pm |
I posted about this right here on LGF several hours ago but no one seemed interested. Still lolz.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:03:05pm |
Violating the intellectual property rights of musicians is a solemn rite that all GOP political candidates much perform at some point.
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:03:09pm |
re: #9 Emmanuel Levinas
I posted about this right here on LGF several hours ago but no one seemed interested. Still lolz.
You should have put together a page.
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rwmofo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:05:05pm |
Here's an interesting article which reflects the consequences of left-wing policy.
The media/democrat party are predictable in trying to convince the uninformed that it's good for society somehow when the most productive elements of society are punished.
This story won't get a lot of traction here though since it doesn't fit the MSM template.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:06:35pm |
Willard Romney and the not ready for prime time campaigners...
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:06:53pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
doing your fair share and fostering a strong republic = punishment
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EiMitch Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:10:16pm |
I love how politicians will push draconian laws to protect the entertainment industries copyrights no matter what the cost. I love how these politicians will pull out all the stops to gather ginormous amounts of money for election campaigns. Yet, how many of these politicians bother to get permission to use copyrighted music in their ads and events in advance? Especially amongst the GOP?
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Kragar Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:10:36pm |
So are copyright laws a needless government intrusion or is it the free market in action?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:15:07pm |
re: #1 Targetpractice
Right 'bout now, I imagine a lot of the GOP leadership is asking itself "Are primary results really binding?"
Sister Sarah is making plans. You Betcha!!!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:15:10pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
Here's an interesting article which reflects the consequences of left-wing policy.
The media/democrat party are predictable in trying to convince the uninformed that it's good for society somehow when the most productive elements of society are punished.
This story won't get a lot of traction here though since it doesn't fit the MSM template.
So what should we/they do instead? Strive to have a race to the bottom with every other nation on earth to be the most attractive to rich people instead?
If you have any suggestions I am all ears....
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:18:28pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
Here's an interesting article which reflects the consequences of left-wing policy.
The media/democrat party are predictable in trying to convince the uninformed that it's good for society somehow when the most productive elements of society are punished.
This story won't get a lot of traction here though since it doesn't fit the MSM template.
And the advantage of having rich people who bolt at the first hint of having to pay their way instead of letting all the little people do the heavy lifting is what? And please don't say jobs, because the existence of rich people is no guarantee new jobs will be created. Demand is what creates new jobs, and it isn't the rich who create demand, it's the people who have to spend everything they make just to survive that do.
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Big Joe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:20:08pm |
The Daily Caller story about the copyright violation goes for the Godwin.
Only Nazis would enforce copyright laws.
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rwmofo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:20:57pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
So what should we/they do instead? Strive to have a race to the bottom with every other nation on earth to be the most attractive to rich people instead?
If you have any suggestions I am all ears...
"Many are fleeing a proposed new higher tax rate of 75 per cent on all earnings over one million euros. (£780,000)
The previous top tax bracket of 41 per cent on earnings over 72,000 euros is also set to increase to 45 per cent."
Yeah. Address SPENDING, which is of course anathema for left-wingers.
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:21:29pm |
re: #24 jamesfirecat
So what should we/they do instead? Strive to have a race to the bottom with every other nation on earth to be the most attractive to rich people instead?
If you have any suggestions I am all ears...
The banks will be so stuffed they'll have to loosen their figurative belts a few notches, but the average person will see nothing trickle down but the water coming through the cracks in their roofs.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:22:09pm |
re: #26 Big Joe
Mitt Romney’s new web video, featuring audio of President Obama singing a few lines from Al Green’s, “Let’s Stay Together,” has been pulled down from YouTube via a copyright claim of BMG Rights Management.
One wonders if an Obama ad featuring the song would have also been pulled down?
One wonders if the Daily Caller thought about asking Al Green.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:22:23pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
meanwhile, how are those spending cuts and austerity measures working out elsewhere in europe?
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:22:31pm |
Two thoughts come to mind in regard to RWMOFO's little stinker.
a) Expatriate is not emigrant and so is still subject to the tax; and
b) there's no hard info on what proportion are really leaving. Sure, sales of very high-euro properties in England are up 30% but that tells us nothing in particular.
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dragonath Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:23:36pm |
re: #26 Big Joe
EVERYBODY KNOWS THE GERMANS ARE LIBERAL FASCISTS
FEEL THE WRATH OF OUR MIGHTY WIKI RESEARCH
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:23:48pm |
"you see, let me show you how firing millions of government workers and closing schools will lower unemployment"
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:24:55pm |
re: #31 kirkspencer
Two thoughts come to mind in regard to RWMOFO's little stinker.
a) Expatriate is not emigrant and so is still subject to the tax; and
b) there's no hard info on what proportion are really leaving. Sure, sales of very high-euro properties in England are up 30% but that tells us nothing in particular.
The numbers are probably relatively low, so that 30% is likely insignificant.
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bratwurst Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:26:27pm |
Obama is smart enough not to sing something in the public domain the way Romney did!
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:26:34pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
"Many are fleeing a proposed new higher tax rate of 75 per cent on all earnings over one million euros. (£780,000)
The previous top tax bracket of 41 per cent on earnings over 72,000 euros is also set to increase to 45 per cent."
Yeah. Address SPENDING, which is of course anathema for left-wingers.
I've yet to hear a right-winger address spending in a manner that doesn't boil down to "Fuck the poor!"
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darthstar Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:26:35pm |
@MittRomney promises to #retroactively kiss his wife on the kiss-cam if she promises not to have another boy. #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 17, 2012
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darthstar Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:27:02pm |
re: #35 bratwurst
Obama is smart enough not to sing something in the public domain the way Romney did!
That's because Obama's got rhythm.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:28:18pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
"Many are fleeing a proposed new higher tax rate of 75 per cent on all earnings over one million euros. (£780,000)
The previous top tax bracket of 41 per cent on earnings over 72,000 euros is also set to increase to 45 per cent."
Yeah. Address SPENDING, which is of course anathema for left-wingers.
How do you feel about cutting the US's military budget?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:28:55pm |
David Frum:
Mitt Romney's painfully bad week
Romney's core problem is this: He heads a party that must win two-thirds of the white working-class vote in presidential elections to compensate for its weakness in almost every demographic category. The white working class is the most pessimistic and alienated group in the electorate, and it especially fears and dislikes the kind of financial methods that gained Romney his fortune.
Romney has a strong potential defense: Bain was in the business of making companies more efficient and profitable. Downsizing and outsourcing were necessary -- and often indispensable -- means to that end. In a growing economy, the workers who lost their jobs should find new jobs elsewhere, and it's precisely the relentless search for profitability that causes economies to grow in the first place.
That's an argument that, to borrow an old joke of Henry Kissinger's, is not only convincing but has the additional merit of being true. However, it's not an argument that appeals much to the voters Romney most intensely needs to win.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:29:22pm |
re: #34 b_sharp
The numbers are probably relatively low, so that 30% is likely insignificant.
probably.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:30:34pm |
privatize the military. deploy the 1st and 4th walmart divisions to the front against sharia in oklahoma
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dragonath Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:30:41pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
"Many are fleeing a proposed new higher tax rate of 75 per cent...
How very Republican of you to defend a bunch of expatriates. Fuck them if their patriotism is predicated solely on how much money they can make.
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danarchy Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:31:32pm |
If anyone is interested the add can still be seen here:
[Link: electad.com...]
Not sure he wouldn't be able to get away with this under fair use, of course by the time any litigation got started the election would be over anyway.
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rwmofo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:36:22pm |
re: #25 b_sharp
And the advantage of having rich people who bolt at the first hint of having to pay their way instead of letting all the little people do the heavy lifting is what? And please don't say jobs, because the existence of rich people is no guarantee new jobs will be created. Demand is what creates new jobs, and it isn't the rich who create demand, it's the people who have to spend everything they make just to survive that do.
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil as an example. Go here and read their 2011 Financial Statement. But more importantly, for 2011 "Income tax expense, both current and deferred, was $31.1 billion,..." They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
I could go on, but I have bigger fish to fry.
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Mattand Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:38:08pm |
re: #40 jaunte
David Frum:
Mitt Romney's painfully bad week
Romney's core problem is this: He heads a party that must win two-thirds of the white working-class vote in presidential elections to compensate for its weakness in almost every demographic category. The white working class is the most pessimistic and alienated group in the electorate, and it especially fears and dislikes the kind of financial methods that gained Romney his fortune.
Romney has a strong potential defense: Bain was in the business of making companies more efficient and profitable. Downsizing and outsourcing were necessary -- and often indispensable -- means to that end. In a growing economy, the workers who lost their jobs should find new jobs elsewhere, and it's precisely the relentless search for profitability that causes economies to grow in the first place.
That's an argument that, to borrow an old joke of Henry Kissinger's, is not only convincing but has the additional merit of being true. However, it's not an argument that appeals much to the voters Romney most intensely needs to win.
Yeah, fuck those workers who had been on the job for 2 decades at a profitable company before Bain came in and "fixed" it. It's not Mitt's problem that his company destroyed their livelihood.
Jesus, even the conservatives who have supposedly become "moderate" still can't help themselves.
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darthstar Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:38:26pm |
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:41:10pm |
Romney didn’t properly license the
this is the kind of real world business expertise you only get from being an entrepreneur
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:41:27pm |
It’s a subtle change, notable only because it contributes to a reshaping of questions about the length of Mitt Romney’s tenure at Bain Capital, the private equity firm he founded.In recent days, Romney and his defenders have begun to say Romney left his “day-to-day” duties at Bain Capital when he took over the Salt Lake City Olympics in February 1999, seemingly absolving him of responsibility for any bankruptcies, layoffs or offshore outsourcing after 1999 by companies Bain had invested in.
...
However, Romney established a much stricter standard of separation when he asserted on his most recent financial disclosure form that he “has not been involved in the operations of any Bain Capital entity in any way” since he took over the Olympics.The real question is not about whether Romney had day-to-day involvement with Bain Capital but about whether he had any involvement at all.
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Big Joe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:44:20pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
and yet they still made 42.2 billion in profit. I feel so bad for Exxon/Mobile
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:44:48pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil as an example. Go here and read their 2011 Financial Statement. But more importantly, for 2011 "Income tax expense, both current and deferred, was $31.1 billion,..." They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
I could go on, but I have
bigger fish to frya bridge to lurk under.
Fixed.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:45:31pm |
exxon should be paying around 55 billion imho
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:46:05pm |
re: #50 Big Joe
and yet they still made 42.2 billion in profit. I feel so bad for Exxon/Mobile
Probably would have been a bit less if we hadn't paid for the interstate highway system first.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:46:08pm |
re: #1 Targetpractice
Right 'bout now, I imagine a lot of the GOP leadership is asking itself "Are primary results really binding?"
Someone's going to move for an RNC upset.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:47:16pm |
re: #12 rwmofo
Here's an interesting article which reflects the consequences of left-wing policy.
The media/democrat party are predictable in trying to convince the uninformed that it's good for society somehow when the most productive elements of society are punished.
This story won't get a lot of traction here though since it doesn't fit the MSM template.
I think they just want to get out of France.
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Mich-again Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:47:23pm |
Maybe they should just dub in the words to Wang Dang Sweet Poontang. Ted will let Mitt use that..
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:47:42pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil as an example. Go here and read their 2011 Financial Statement. But more importantly, for 2011 "Income tax expense, both current and deferred, was $31.1 billion,..." They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
I could go on, but I have bigger fish to fry.
How does having the people who run the corporation move change the amount of taxes the corporation pays?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:48:29pm |
re: #25 b_sharp
And the advantage of having rich people who bolt at the first hint of having to pay their way instead of letting all the little people do the heavy lifting is what? And please don't say jobs, because the existence of rich people is no guarantee new jobs will be created. Demand is what creates new jobs, and it isn't the rich who create demand, it's the people who have to spend everything they make just to survive that do.
The country with the most rich people wins!!!!
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:48:40pm |
we are literally sitting on 30 years of data which shows that as the rich get richer, nothing fucking happens to benefit the economy overall, but people still believe this crap
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:48:55pm |
re: #56 Mich-again
Maybe they should just dub in the words to Wang Dang Sweet Poontang. Ted will let Mitt use that..
The problem is that Mitt couldn't make that work, since unlike Ted Nugent he's a sane person. The Nuge's music requires a certain level of insanity.
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Gus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:49:35pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
"Many are fleeing a proposed new higher tax rate of 75 per cent on all earnings over one million euros. (£780,000)
The previous top tax bracket of 41 per cent on earnings over 72,000 euros is also set to increase to 45 per cent."
Yeah. Address SPENDING, which is of course anathema for left-wingers.
Hey genius. That's France. This is the USA. Got it?
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:49:38pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil as an example. Go here and read their 2011 Financial Statement. But more importantly, for 2011 "Income tax expense, both current and deferred, was $31.1 billion,..." They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
I could go on, but I have bigger fish to fry.
*buzzer* Sorry, try again. Their claim is that they paid $3.1 billion in 2011, but that's when they lump in various and sundry taxes at the state, city, and local levels. They paid 17.2% tax in 2010 and paid nothing in 2009 due to overpayment the previous year.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:49:55pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil as an example. Go here and read their 2011 Financial Statement. But more importantly, for 2011 "Income tax expense, both current and deferred, was $31.1 billion,..." They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
I could go on, but I have bigger fish to fry.
It's just that I don't actually care where rich French people live. My interest in rich Frenchmen is basically zero. Let them go to Switzerland if it makes them happy.
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Ojoe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:49:56pm |
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:50:08pm |
re: #58 SanFranciscoZionist
The country with the most rich people wins!!!
Top 10 Countries with the Richest People in the World
[Link: www.pfhub.com...]
1. Luxembourg
2. Qatar
3. Norway
4. Kuwait
5. United Arab Emirates
6. Singapore
7. United States
8. Ireland
9. Equatorial Guinea
10. Switzerland
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:51:05pm |
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Mattand Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:51:30pm |
re: #65 jaunte
Top 10 Countries with the Richest People in the World
9. Equatorial Guinea
Huh?
I'd have never guessed that one in a million years. They're sitting on oil, I guess?
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Achilles Tang Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:52:52pm |
OT: Did anyone catch the CNN take on the latest witch hunt by Bachmann and friends?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:53:18pm |
One of these days I'm going to proof my links before I post.
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Mich-again Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:53:33pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
Is the number fair just because its big?
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:53:46pm |
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Mattand Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:54:04pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:54:04pm |
re: #69 Mattand
Huh?
I'd have never guessed that one in a million years. They're sitting on oil, I guess?
Yeah, oil and gas, per the CIA Factbook.
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kirkspencer Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:55:09pm |
re: #51 Dark_Falcon
Fixed.
Actually that's incorrect. They owed $31.1B last year. They paid $2.041B. (see pages F55-56.)
Oh, and that's global, not US. The US income taxes owed, current and deferrred, was a bit over $3B. The document does not break out how much of the US debt actually got paid.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:55:40pm |
re: #69 Mattand
Huh?
I'd have never guessed that one in a million years. They're sitting on oil, I guess?
wrong, hippy. extra large bootstraps down there
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rwmofo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:57:24pm |
re: #52 SpaceJesus
exxon should be paying around 55 billion imho
Here is a perfect example of the way a left-winger thinks. Force the companies who are at the core of our economy to overwhelmingly increase their cost of production - as a "punishment" for being so successful. Assume we let "Space Jesus" have his way. How would Exxon react to these new expenses? They'd increase the price they charge for their product commensurate with their increased costs. This would result in a huge jump in prices at the gas pump in addition to a huge increase in the price of everything that rides on a truck before you purchase it. Look around. Everything you see was on a truck before it was delivered to the grocery store, furniture store, clothing store, all the materials in the construction of your home, the PC you're using. Everything! It was all on a truck at one point. And you left-wingers actually think it's a good thing to force Exxon to pay more because they need to pay their fair share.
Liberal logic. Voting against your own interests which are as obvious as the nose on your face. Fifth graders can figure this out, unless they start listening to left-wingers.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:57:36pm |
With an area of 28,000 square kilometres (11,000 sq mi) Equatorial Guinea is one of the smallest countries in continental Africa. It is also the richest per capita;[6] however, the wealth is distributed very unevenly, with 70% of the population living under the United Nations Poverty Threshold of $2/day. With a population of 650,702, Equatorial Guinea is the third-smallest country in continental Africa.[7] It is also the second smallest United Nations (UN) member from continental Africa.The discovery of sizeable petroleum reserves in recent years is altering the economic and political status of the country. Its gross domestic product (GDP) per capita ranks 28th in the world;[8] however, most of the country's considerable oil wealth actually lies in the hands of only a few people.
Yep. Acquiring rich people automatically makes stuff better. And it never, ever, results in some kind of feudal dystopia.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:58:09pm |
re: #76 kirkspencer
Actually that's incorrect. They owed $31.1B last year. They paid $2.041B. (see pages F55-56.)
Oh, and that's global, not US. The US income taxes owed, current and deferrred, was a bit over $3B. The document does not break out how much of the US debt actually got paid.
I was just using that last line to call rwmofo a troll. I wasn't commenting on the rest of the post. I left in his bolding of an earlier part of the post.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:58:43pm |
re: #78 rwmofo
And those trucks drove on roads that we pay for...
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:59:12pm |
Caption contest.
[Link: www.facebook.com...]
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 7:59:14pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil
"In 2010, our total tax expenses in the United States were $9.8 billion"
[Link: www.exxonmobilperspectives.com...]
it's nice when a large multinational corporation actually pays its taxes, since so many of them do so much to avoid paying taxes, or manage to pay no u.s. taxes at all
however, as the exxon mobile web page at the link explains, most of its earnings are overseas - therefore they manage, logically, not to pay any u.s. taxes on them
and that's one of the ways the game is played
i wouldn't be so worried, except 1) so many multinational corporations that operate in the united states manage to largely avoid taxes, and 2) clearly, many multinational corporations are more powerful than the u.s. government now and merely regard it as an easily manipulated police force
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:01:35pm |
re: #83 Mocking Jay
Holy crap, I didn't look at the comments before. Jeez.
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engineer cat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:01:42pm |
During the first quarter of this year, our U.S. operating earnings were $2.6 billion. The rest of our earnings – more than $8 billion – came from operations in more than 100 countries worldwide.
yet there's nothing stopping exxon mobile from using any portion of "the rest of our earnings" on lobbying "our" representatives in congress
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:02:06pm |
re: #78 rwmofo
yes, and that extra several billion we tax them would just get burned in a giant pile somewhere. no way would that money be reinvested in ways that actually benefit the entire economy.
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Gus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:02:31pm |
BOMBSHELL REPORT: Biggest donor to Romney/GOP in business with Chinese mob thkpr.gs/OJTxAU #icymi— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) July 17, 2012
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Gus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:03:41pm |
His Man in Macau: Inside the Investigation Into Sheldon Adelson’s Empire
July 16, 2012, 11:20 am ET by Matt Isaacs Lowell Bergman, and Stephen Engelberg
A decade ago gambling magnate and leading Republican donor Sheldon Adelson looked at a desolate spit of land in Macau and imagined a glittering strip of casinos, hotels and malls.
Where competitors saw obstacles, including Macau’s hostility to outsiders and historic links to Chinese organized crime, Adelson envisaged a chance to make billions.
Adelson pushed his chips to the center of the table, keeping his nerve even as his company teetered on the brink of bankruptcy in late 2008.
The Macau bet paid off, propelling Adelson into the ranks of the mega-rich and underwriting his role as the largest Republican donor in the 2012 campaign, providing tens of millions of dollars to Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney and other GOP causes...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:04:52pm |
re: #78 rwmofo
Look around. Everything you see was on a truck before it was delivered to the grocery store, furniture store, clothing store, all the materials in the construction of your home, the PC you're using. Everything! It was all on a truck at one point.
This is true. The part that you may be pretending isn't true is that the roads were paid for, maintained, and patrolled with tax moneys.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:05:04pm |
re: #87 SpaceJesus
yes, and that extra several billion we tax them would just get burned in a giant pile somewhere. no way would that money be reinvested in ways that actually benefit the entire economy.
Some of it might be used productively, quite a lot of it would be wasted by cronyism and inefficiency.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:05:29pm |
It's really so nice of us to pay for a huge navy to help minimize the threat of piracy on the high seas for global corporations like Exxon and BP for so little in return. American compassion.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:06:03pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
instead of being safely hidden away in bermuda where it belongs :(
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JamesWI Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:07:53pm |
You can tell the attacks on Romney really are worrying the wingnuts, when rwmofo shows up 3 days in a row trying to change the subject.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:09:28pm |
re: #95 JamesWI
You can tell the attacks on Romney really are worrying the wingnuts, when RWMofo shows up 3 days in a row trying to change the subject.
He's not trying to change the subject, he's just being an asshole.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:10:58pm |
re: #92 Dark_Falcon
Some of it might be used productively, quite a lot of it would be wasted by cronyism and inefficiency.
I'm sure you're the go to person for knowing about cronyism and inefficiency given your job working with alongside the Pentagon.
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Ojoe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:13:21pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
There is a feed-back loop between oil and roads since selling the oil raises the bucks to build and repair the roads, which facilitate using (more usually) oil. It is all one big ball, and quite beneficial, unless you want to panic about global warming.
I am struck by how this acrimonious debate about who pays what, and how fair or not fair it is, etc etc, would be completely unnecessary if we decided to all work together for the whole mutual benefit of all, and each to his/her post with his/her unique talents.
But politicians will blast this idea away with a fire hose every time.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:14:58pm |
re: #96 Dark_Falcon
He's not trying to change the subject, he's just being an asshole.
You say potato...
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:15:07pm |
re: #98 Ojoe
There is a feed-back loop between oil and roads since selling the oil raises the bucks to build and repair the roads, which facilitate using (more usually) oil. It is all one big ball, and quite beneficial, unless you want to panic about global warming.
I am struck by how this acrimonious debate about who pays what, and how fair or not fair it is, etc etc, would be completely unnecessary if we decided to all work together for the whole mutual benefit of all, and each to his/her post with his/her unique talents.
But politicians will blast this idea away with a fire hose every time.
///So what you're saying is we need to nationalize our oil companies?
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bratwurst Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:16:08pm |
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Ojoe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:17:51pm |
re: #100 jamesfirecat
Ha.
We should raise the intelligence, perceptiveness and compassion level of the general population.
A fine proposition, though not a political one.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:18:51pm |
re: #90 Gus
Soon after Alves said he would apply what he termed “pressure” on local planning officials, the company prevailed on a key request, gaining permission to sell off billions of dollars of its real estate holdings in Macau.
Las Vegas Sands denies any wrongdoing. But it has told investors that it is under criminal investigation for possible violations of the U.S. anti-bribery law. Adelson declined to respond to detailed questions, including whether he was aware of the concerns about the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act when he directed payment of the bill from Alves’ law firm.
The cheaper option for Adelson is to try to buy a more favorable political environment.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:19:28pm |
re: #95 JamesWI
You can tell the attacks on Romney really are worrying the wingnuts, when rwmofo shows up 3 days in a row trying to change the subject.
Eh, to some degree, I think the wingnuts are right. This right now is a story that, while it has momentum, will just be lost in a week's time in the craziness that is the Olympics. What they're wrong about are the long-lasting effects, namely that it not only has Romney on the defensive and running scared, but it also is something that Obama's gonna beat him stupid with in the debates.
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:19:39pm |
re: #45 rwmofo
It wouldn't hurt for you to read up a little on basic economics and to try to understand what "rich" people actually do for the economy. I'll use Exxon Mobil as an example. Go here and read their 2011 Financial Statement. But more importantly, for 2011 "Income tax expense, both current and deferred, was $31.1 billion,..." They paid $31.1 Billion last year. Not paying their "fair share" right?
I could go on, but I have bigger fish to fry.
How many jobs since 2008, beyond what a $100 barrel of oil produced, have they created? Who purchased Exxon's products?
Have you just admitted that your version of economics doesn't need the middle class? Remove the middle class and what do you have left?
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Ojoe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:21:20pm |
re: #104 Targetpractice
Re the Olympics and the controversy over the "uniforms," it may be time to get back to the true spirit of the games, and compete naked.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:21:22pm |
re: #98 Ojoe
I am struck by how this acrimonious debate about who pays what, and how fair or not fair it is, etc etc, would be completely unnecessary if we decided to all work together for the whole mutual benefit of all, and each to his/her post with his/her unique talents.
But politicians will blast this idea away with a fire hose every time.
It's a good idea, it's just not very capitalistic. It's not politics per se that blasts it away, it's GOP politics. What you describe, "if we decided to all work together for the whole mutual benefit of all" is intimately couched in the language of social responsibility. Those kinds of ideals are anathema to a party that sees itself as the champions of individual achievement and competition.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:23:08pm |
re: #106 Ojoe
Re the Olympics and the controversy over the "uniforms," it may be time to get back to the true spirit of the games, and compete naked.
Not a big change for the Beach Volleyball ladies.
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:23:11pm |
Thanks Citizens United !
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — a top surrogate for Romney’s campaign — said of Adelson’s Chinese business interests and political giving that “maybe in a round-about way, foreign money is coming into an American campaign, political campaigns.” -Think Progress
But...I thought...but Alito said...
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Ojoe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:23:37pm |
re: #107 goddamnedfrank
Point well taken.
The Democrats erode mutuality as well by demonizing "the rich."
It is all very depressing to watch, especially every 4 years when it peaks.
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:23:44pm |
re: #98 Ojoe
if we decided to all work together for the whole mutual benefit of all, and each to his/her post with his/her unique talents.
That idea gets proposed frequently, then gets tackled, held down, and has its hair forcibly cut shorter.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:24:07pm |
So this happened.
Romney says waiters at fundraiser "aren't having a good year"
Addressing 300 contributors who paid $2,500, $10,000 or $50,000 to hear him speak, Romney acknowledged that the people in the room were well-off compared to many Americans. It was the middle class that had been let down by Obama, Romney said, and he pointed to the wait staff serving finger foods as an example.
"It's tough being middle class in America right now," Romney said. "The waiters and waitresses that come in and out of this room and offer us refreshments, they're not having a good year. The people of the middle class of America are really struggling. And they're struggling I think in a way because they're surprised because when they voted for Barack Obama...he promised them that things were going to get a heck a lot of better. He promised hope and change and they're still waiting."
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:24:34pm |
re: #109 OhNoZombies!
Thanks Citizens United !
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — a top surrogate for Romney’s campaign — said of Adelson’s Chinese business interests and political giving that “maybe in a round-about way, foreign money is coming into an American campaign, political campaigns.” -Think Progress
But...I thought...but Alito said...
Fuck Alito, CU should be tattooed to Kennedy's forehead so that the next time somebody thinks he'll be any way liberal, they can see that and remember "Oh yeah, he's an attention whore."
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:24:35pm |
re: #110 Ojoe
Point well taken.
The Democrats erode mutuality as well by demonizing "the rich."
It is all very depressing to watch, especially every 4 years when it peaks.
How do the Democrats demonize the rich?
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labman57 Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:24:37pm |
Poor Mitt -- he can't even manage a half-assed attempt to mock the POTUS without f*cking it up.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:25:12pm |
re: #97 jamesfirecat
I'm sure you're the go to person for knowing about cronyism and inefficiency given your job working with alongside the Pentagon.
Yeah James, I know something about that. I've seen part of how government procurement really works, and I've seen some of its problems. But I can't go into detail on that, and you know why.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:25:35pm |
re: #112 Mocking Jay
So this happened.
Romney says waiters at fundraiser "aren't having a good year"
And its our job to keep them waiting so that they'll vote us back into power again!
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:25:39pm |
re: #112 Mocking Jay
So Mitt assumes the wait staff is uninformed about Mitch McConnell's priorities.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:26:40pm |
re: #118 jaunte
So Mitt assumes the wait staff is uninformed about Mitch McConnell's priorities.
If only Republicans were in power no one would have to wait tables.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:27:02pm |
re: #116 Dark_Falcon
Yeah James, I know something about that. I've seen part of how government procurement really works, and I've seen some of its problems. But I can't go into detail on that, and you know why.
I know, my point was just that many who consider government spending an enemy also consider pentagon spending sacrosanct, which is a really stupid point of view to take when we're spending about 67% as much as the rest of the world put together does.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:28:03pm |
re: #112 Mocking Jay
So this happened.
Romney says waiters at fundraiser "aren't having a good year"
Romney uses waiters and waitresses as examples of the middle class. I reiterate what I said downstairs about this man having absolutely no clue what the word "poor" means in modern America.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:28:38pm |
re: #110 Ojoe
Point well taken.
The Democrats erode mutuality as well by demonizing "the rich."
It is all very depressing to watch, especially every 4 years when it peaks.
I don't see the Democrats demonizing the rich so much as refusing to go along with a socio-economic caste system where taxes impose real life burdens on the middle and lower class but have zero impact on wealthy people's standard of living.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:29:41pm |
re: #122 Targetpractice
Romney uses waiters and waitresses as examples of the middle class. I reiterate what I said downstairs about this man having absolutely no clue what the word "poor" means in modern America.
I think it's more that the word 'poor' has become oddly unusable in modern politics. You're supposed to worry about the middle class, who can be defined as just about anyone. The poor are a hot potato.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:29:46pm |
re: #110 Ojoe
The Democrats erode mutuality as well by demonizing "the rich."
Horseshit.
The issue isn't some abstraction of "the rich"--it's specific individuals and institutions that use money to void the social contract.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:30:06pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's more that the word 'poor' has become oddly unusable in modern politics. You're supposed to worry about the middle class, who can be defined as just about anyone. The poor are a hot potato.
And 'working class' is just a statement of class warfare, so you can't use that, either.
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:30:58pm |
re: #65 jaunte
Top 10 Countries with the Richest People in the World
[Link: www.pfhub.com...]
Wait, what? Do I see a socialist country in there somewhere?
And what was that about Qatar's government investing in the Banks? Socialism!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:31:11pm |
re: #125 Mocking Jay
Aw crap, Varek's finally lost it...
No, just working on the maniacal laugh.
Gotta have a good maniacal laugh, or what's it all worth, anyway?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:31:33pm |
re: #124 goddamnedfrank
I don't define it as 'demonizing,' but I do find it peculiar that people like Bill O'Reilly seem vaguely dissatisfied with the prospect of bringing home 'only' $10 million a year.
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Targetpractice Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:32:39pm |
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:33:15pm |
re: #127 The Ghost of a Flea
Horseshit.
The issue isn't some abstraction of "the rich"--it's specific individuals and institutions that use money to void the social contract.
Shazam!
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:34:55pm |
re: #126 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's more that the word 'poor' has become oddly unusable in modern politics. You're supposed to worry about the middle class, who can be defined as just about anyone. The poor are a hot potato.
Poor are the new untouchables. If you're poor you're supposed to be ashamed that you haven't Horatio Algered your way to a better position in life. To have empathy for them is to demean the value of one's own "hard work."
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palomino Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:35:33pm |
re: #27 rwmofo
"Many are fleeing a proposed new higher tax rate of 75 per cent on all earnings over one million euros. (£780,000)
The previous top tax bracket of 41 per cent on earnings over 72,000 euros is also set to increase to 45 per cent."
Yeah. Address SPENDING, which is of course anathema for left-wingers.
France's proposed top tax rate is double what the Obama administration proposed (it's basically Clinton's 90's tax rates returned).
Your parade of horribles is a figment of your imagination, based on the hyperbole that we're gonna be like France soon in terms of taxes. Tax rates in the upper 30's range didn't destroy our economy 15 years ago (at that time, we actually had our only balanced budgets over the last 35 years.) But this time slightly higher tax rates will destroy the US economy, right?
Keep shoveling, your intellectual rigor makes you so persuasive.///////////////////////////////////
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Ojoe Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:36:36pm |
re: #133 OhNoZombies!
Well sure, but it is not always so clearly stated as you have put it & often instead political distance is attempted to be gained thru tapping into resentment & envy, politics being the dirty game that it is.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:37:45pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:38:46pm |
re: #135 goddamnedfrank
Poor are the new untouchables. If you're poor you're supposed to be ashamed that you haven't Horatio Algered your way to a better position in life. To have empathy for them is to demean the value of one's own "hard work."
I hate it when people invoke the Magical Bootstraps Fairy.
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palomino Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:38:46pm |
re: #110 Ojoe
Point well taken.
The Democrats erode mutuality as well by demonizing "the rich."
It is all very depressing to watch, especially every 4 years when it peaks.
Really? Which Dems are demonizing Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. The two richest men in America and they don't get criticized much by Dems. Why? Because they believe in a fair tax structure and see a problem when secretarties pay higher effective tax rates than their billionaire bosses.
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Gus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:39:56pm |
re: #110 Ojoe
Point well taken.
The Democrats erode mutuality as well by demonizing "the rich."
It is all very depressing to watch, especially every 4 years when it peaks.
Jesus was a Democrat.
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gwangung Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:41:34pm |
re: #141 palomino
Really? Which Dems are demonizing Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. The two richest men in America and they don't get criticized much by Dems. Why? Because they believe in a fair tax structure and see a problem when secretarties pay higher effective tax rates than their billionaire bosses.
Nick Hanauer, too...entrepreneur, backer of Amazon and self described sociopath.
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dragonath Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:41:38pm |
If Jesus is a Democrat, and God is a Republican, does that make the Holy Spirit a kind of Ron Paul freak or something?
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:42:08pm |
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:42:55pm |
re: #131 jaunte
I don't define it as 'demonizing,' but I do find it peculiar that people like Bill O'Reilly seem vaguely dissatisfied with the prospect of bringing home 'only' $10 million a year.
There's a kind of insatiable greed that takes certain people over, the more they sacrifice of their person to achieve wealth the less there is to provide a counter balance. My stepdad is like that, retired wealthy with an inheritance but after 9/11 his head got filled with fantasies of making millions more writing and self publishing books where Muslims were always the bogeymen. His disappointment at their failure to catch on has been delicious to behold.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:44:20pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:45:20pm |
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
/Geek
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:46:20pm |
re: #35 bratwurst
Obama is smart enough not to sing something in the public domain the way Romney did!
Romney singing America the Beautiful was the most corniest thing I've ever seen. Really? Like the crowd (grandma & Grandpa) got off on that? Not my grandparents!
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b_sharp Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:47:31pm |
re: #148 Dark_Falcon
No, the time of Jesus was centuries after the Bronze Age.
Even the iron age ended in 600 BCE in the middle east.
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freetoken Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:52:28pm |
re: #151 b_sharp
Terms attached to periods of human settlement differ according to region, according to the expert doing the designating.
For the Levant, the "Bronze Age" is usually broken down into early and late, and generally is described as ending in the "Bronze Age Collapse" when the leading nations of the region fell apart, sometime after 1300 BCE. Then the "Iron Age" is broken into several parts, depending upon settlement. The tendency here in the West is to orient ourselves around the Greeks, so by the time Greek literature is recognized a new period starts, and one then speaks of early or late "antiquity" (which lasted, in most peoples' terminology, with the last fall of Rome.)
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Reverend Mother Ramallo Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:52:43pm |
Dems don't necessarily demonize the rich. The issue lies with those who seem to think they generated their wealth without the benefits of our societal infrastructure, then game the system so that no one else can take advantage of those same benefits. They pretend that they are the Masters of the Universe, and you're poor because you deserve to be.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:53:00pm |
re: #141 palomino
Really? Which Dems are demonizing Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. The two richest men in America and they don't get criticized much by Dems. Why? Because they believe in a fair tax structure and see a problem when secretarties pay higher effective tax rates than their billionaire bosses.
They admit that their wealth is: (1) the summed outcome of the labor of others, (2) a privilege rather than an entitlement.
I come back to the idea of the social contract--Political Theory 101--and the fact that some people seem to want to opt out of the obligations thereof yet remain entitled to benefits. Actually invoking the concept of aristocracy might be anathema in this country, but there's a streak of "born to the purple" sentiment amongst the Galtonian Overlord types.
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Gus Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:54:26pm |
Have the Democrats ever held hearings about Muslims [oops] the rich?
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jaunte Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:54:34pm |
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dragonath Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:54:46pm |
What about the Silver Age?
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palomino Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:55:11pm |
re: #143 gwangung
Nick Hanauer, too...entrepreneur, backer of Amazon and self described sociopath.
Probably helps if you want to be a billionaire. See Trump, Mark Cuban, George Steinbrenner, et al.
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The Ghost of a Flea Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:56:00pm |
re: #156 jaunte
Without the noblesse oblige.
Noblesse oblige was always more of a fantasy than reality. "I was nice to this one person, so I'm off the hook for the vast array of institutional horror I backed" is pretty much how it plays out.
The Ninth Doctor did a pretty good rant about that...
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:59:04pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:07:50pm |
re: #154 OhNoZombies!
Dems don't necessarily demonize the rich. The issue lies with those who seem to think they generated their wealth without the benefits of our societal infrastructure, then game the system so that no one else can take advantage of those same benefits. They pretend that they are the Masters of the Universe, and you're poor because you deserve to be.
They got the 20k loan from their folks! Bootstrappers!
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sagehen Mon, Jul 16, 2012 9:33:02pm |
re: #100 jamesfirecat
///So what you're saying is we need to nationalize our oil companies?
Either that, or they can ask the Cayman Islands Navy to patrol their shipping lanes and the Bermuda Air Force to protect their overseas fields.
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