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1 William of Orange  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:46:50am

It was worth the wait!!

Welcome back Jon!

2 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:47:27am

If you see no conflict between the self-serving, wealth-accruing world of venture capital and public service then you have no problem with Mitt.

3 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:48:20am

DAMN YOU 1994 ROMNEY!

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:50:27am

How dare you attack him by quoting his own words in context?

5 Four More Tears  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:51:48am

re: #4 Expand Your Ground

How dare you attack him by quoting his own words in context?

Chicago-style politics!

6 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:52:57am

So we're supposed to trust Romney because of his business record, but not actually supposed to look at his record or understand if we do look at his record, other people were actually doing the job and he had no say in the matter?

That makes sense.

7 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:54:25am

Romney, as CEO was an absentee owner and figurehead CEO. This makes him in the eyes of the GOP the prefect presidential candidate.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:56:54am

re: #6 Kragar

So we're supposed to trust Romney because of his business record, but not actually supposed to look at his record or understand if we do look at his record, other people were actually doing the job and he had no say in the matter?

That makes sense.

I've actually heard wingnuts try to go "So what if Bain was shady? He served honorably as governor, and that's more experience that Obama has!"

They really do want to go simply with window dressing, nothing more. "Yes, I made millions at Bain and I served as governor. Vote for me, you peons!"

9 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:58:06am

There's only one way to explain this stuff, Mitt Romney is really a robot from the future sent back in time in order to prevent Mitt Romney from becomming president.

10 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:59:21am

"An age-old 'ruse,' if you will..."

Heheheheh

11 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 11:59:24am

re: #7 Destro

Romney, as CEO was an absentee owner and figurehead CEO. This makes him in the eyes of the GOP the prefect presidential candidate.

Perfect choice for a party that doesn't want government to actually function or even exist outside of a piece of paper.

12 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:00:21pm

re: #10 jaunte

"An age-old 'ruse,' if you will..."

Heheheheh

Tis a cunning plan, Baldrick.

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:04:03pm

re: #8 Targetpractice

I've actually heard wingnuts try to go "So what if Bain was shady? He served honorably as governor, and that's more experience that Obama has!"

Blithely willing to overlook Romneycare and his pro-life record. I assume because they know that he will be the sort of absentee, spineless CEO who will let the wingnuts have the run of the party and the government...

14 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:04:59pm

re: #11 erik_t

Perfect choice for a party that doesn't want government to actually function or even exist outside of a piece of paper.

The asshat right seems to just want a figure head to show up and lead everyone in singing patriotic songs and recitals of the pledge of allegiances ad nausea.

15 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:09:09pm

re: #14 Destro

The asshat right seems to just want a figure head to show up and lead everyone in singing patriotic songs and recitals of the pledge of allegiances ad nausea.

"Mr President, please sign this."
*scribble*
"Here you go... What was that exactly?"
"You just declared war on Iran. Here is your speech, you're on in 30 minutes."

16 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:12:04pm

re: #15 Kragar

"Mr President, please sign this."
*scribble*
"Here you go... What was that exactly?"
"You just declared war on Iran. Here is your speech, you're on in 30 minutes."

"Do I have time to divest my holdings first?"

17 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:18:50pm

re: #16 erik_t

"Do I have time to divest my holdings first?"

"Just do it retroactively."

18 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:22:20pm

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

For the last two days, James Dobson's "Family Talk" radio program has featured a discussion with Wayne Grudem, author of the book "Politics According to the Bible."

In between fretting that the United States was on the verge of permanent collapse due to the policies of President Obama and the poor moral/spiritual state of the nation in general, Grudem was asked by Ryan Dobson just what he should say to people who think that just because something is legal that makes it okay. The question prompted Grudem to respond that just because something is legal, that doesn't make it moral ... just as our nation allows freedom of religion, but that doesn't mean it is "morally right" for people to be Muslims or Buddhists:

Please note: Just labeling yourself Christian doesn't make you a moral person either.

Fucking dirtbags.

19 b_sharp  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:27:20pm

re: #18 Kragar

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

Please note: Just labeling yourself Christian doesn't make you a moral person either.

Fucking dirtbags.

Fucking magnets.

20 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:29:25pm

re: #18 Kragar

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

I appreciate this honesty. Sometimes third parties don't really believe you when you tell them the fucking evil of some of the Religious Right.

21 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:34:48pm

re: #15 Kragar

"Mr President, please sign this."
*scribble*
"Here you go... What was that exactly?"
"You just declared war on Iran. Here is your speech, you're on in 30 minutes."

Sad, but true. Cue FOX war graphic of a diving screaming eagle trailing fire as we get pictures of American soldiers in uniform while some bad country music song plays in the background.

22 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:36:15pm

re: #18 Kragar

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

Please note: Just labeling yourself Christian doesn't make you a moral person either.

Fucking dirtbags.

It is their right to think and even say so. But our First Amendment (still) trumps their (intperpretation of their choice of) religious scriptures.

But it reminds us all again of one of the Great Founding Myths of America: that the Puritans came here to enjoy religious freedom.

They came here to escape the religious freedom that they thought was ruining Europe, because they did not think it was "morally right" for people to be anything but Puritans, and they wanted a place where they could persecute to their heart's content without any outside interference.

23 Destro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:36:52pm

re: #19 b_sharp

Fucking magnets.

Fuck you scientists and your magic evil magnets. How do they work anyway?

Fuckin' Magnets, how do they work? And I don't want to talk to a scientist, yall mothafuckers lyin', and getting me pissed!

24 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:40:47pm
25 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:44:19pm

If Romney releases his returns then he
a) looks like he is caving into the Obama campaign and
b) is in for a media feeding frenzy of people picking apart his financial records

If he does not, he leaves himself open to the very "what's he hiding?" charges he levelled at his opponent in 2002.

Brilliant move on the part of Team Obama.

26 researchok  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:46:42pm

'You can always give the blind trust rules as to what it can and cannot do'.

The rest is all commentary, as they say.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:48:17pm

How dare you attack him with his own words taken in context!

28 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 12:59:16pm

Her hands aren't clean

needs a better "nails person"

29 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:00:18pm

re: #27 Expand Your Ground

How dare you attack him with his own words taken in context!

i think the obama campaign could do only ads featuring mitt contradicting himself from here to election day without running out of material

30 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:02:06pm

re: #29 engineer cat

i think the obama campaign could do only ads featuring mitt contradicting himself from here to election day without running out of material

John Stewart is set for the next three months...

31 SpaceJesus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:03:39pm

cnn has basically become fox news

32 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:05:08pm

re: #31 SpaceJesus

cnn has basically become fox news

Not if you listened to their takedown yesterday of Bachmann and Islamist infiltration of the US gummint

34 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:05:37pm

Fischer: Obama Like a 'Street Thug' who is Destroying America Just for the Pleasure of it

Last week the Department of Health and Human Services announced a relaxation of some work requirement contained in the 1996 Welfare Reform Act in an effort to give "states and localities [more] flexibility administering it so they can experiment with ways to improve the number of people making the jump from government assistance to jobs."

Today on his radio program, Bryan Fischer absolutely flipped out over the change, claiming that it was an effort by President Obama to win re-elections by getting "more people helpless, abjectly dependent upon him as if he were the slave owner of a plantation and they were working in his cotton fields."

The move, Fischer declared, was illegal and unconstitutional, demonstrating that Obama is a "lawless president" who is like a "street thug" who takes a "perverse delight" in destroying America "just like juvenile delinquents just destroy stuff just for the sheer pleasure of destruction":

35 Achilles Tang  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:06:21pm

BTW, I see that the sheriff with nothing to do, Arpaio, has a nes conference on fake birth certificate today. Anybody going to watch?

36 jamesfirecat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:06:22pm
37 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:06:45pm

re: #35 Achilles Tang

BTW, I see that the sheriff with nothing to do, Arpaio, has a nes conference on fake birth certificate today. Anybody going to watch?

I am, if only because I've got nothing better to do today.

38 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:07:28pm

re: #36 jamesfirecat

The peasants are revolting!

I know have you ever seen one up close?

You said it! They stink on ice!

//

39 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:08:53pm

re: #18 Kragar

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

*sigh*

It's nonsense like this that drove me away from organized religion decades ago. Just because you claim a faith doesn't make you a moral person, or even a good person. The trick is to be a good person even without the threat of eternal hellfire or the promise of eternal life hanging over your head.

40 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:09:06pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

You said it! They stink on ice!

//

It's good to be King!

41 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:10:28pm

re: #40 RayFerd

How do you know he's the King? He's the one who isn't covered in shiite.

42 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:10:59pm

re: #36 jamesfirecat


I think she looks very nice!

Image: Mar12_0103ppprce.jpg

43 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:12:21pm

re: #41 lawhawk

How do you know he's the King? He's the one who isn't covered in shiite.

Presidential elections derive from a mandate from the masses, not some kind of farcical fifty-thousand-dollar-a-plate ceremony!

44 Sophia77  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:13:25pm

Well, you guys just don't understand rich people. Which is your fault. If you were any good you'd be rich too then you wouldn't be beating up on poor Mitt.

Now, apologize!

45 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:14:21pm

re: #43 erik_t

Or some moist tart offering up swords. /

46 brennant  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:15:49pm

re: #45 lawhawk

Or some moist tart offering up swords. /

That would be a watery tart.

47 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:16:13pm

..lobbing a scimitar

48 dragonath  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:18:34pm

That fark link has a pretty great comment in it:

Even the trolls can't bring it for Mitt. It's like watching Jordan listlessly try to chug down the court in a Wizards uniform.

49 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:20:35pm

CNN headline story currently has a woman from coal country lamenting that if President Obama is reelected, it's the end of the industry.

Fact is that fracking will do more to end the coal industry than anything Obama is doing (which is basically calling for improved emissions at power generating facilities). Fracking for natural gas has brought gas prices down so low it's cost effective to use natural gas instead of coal, and coal mines are going out of business because they can't compete and their demand has dried up.

That natural gas also happens to be less polluting and is more energy efficient than coal at point of power production doesn't help coal. And where Appalachia and other coal-reliant regions are suffering, there's a boom in the fracking country - Baaken Shale and Marcellus Shale regions for instance.

But, as a headline grabber, it's so much easier to say Obama is killing coal. The economics suggest something else at play.

51 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:20:46pm
52 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:21:22pm

Romney: Obama Is ‘Attacking Success’ And ‘Dividing America’

An energized Mitt Romney delivered one of his feistiest speeches of the campaign in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, accusing President Obama of “attacking success.”

“Our economy is driven by free people pursuing their ideas and their dreams,” Romney said. “It is not driven by government and what the president is doing is crushing economic freedom.”

Romney made heavy use of an out-of-context quote, however, to make his point. His campaign and Republican surrogates cherry-picked a sentence from a Friday speech in which Obama praised public investments in roads, bridges and other infrastructure, saying, “If you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.”

The “that” in question referred to government-led projects like the Internet or the highway system that businesses benefit from, but Romney suggested Obama was telling business leaders they didn’t deserve credit for their own companies.

53 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:21:57pm

Heh. Romney excites the GOP base so much that there's not a single article on Red State about him.

54 erik_t  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:24:19pm

re: #52 Kragar

Romney: Obama Is ‘Attacking Success’ And ‘Dividing America’

Feisty Romney is not Intelligent Romney.

Holy shit, you moron. Repeat after me, in a boring drone that cannot possibly offend anyone: 'Obama had four years to fix the economy, and for all his honest efforts he's failed to do so. I can do better.'

55 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:25:38pm

Mark Hamill: Mitt Romney is 'not actually human'

...you look at Romney and I'm sure he's a nice guy, but I think he's like The Thing he only imitates human behavior. He's not actually human himself."

Hamill cited a recent incident in which Romney drank some lemonade at a rally in New Hampshire and when asked how it tasted, he replied: "Lemon. Wet. Good."

heh

56 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:26:34pm

re: #54 erik_t

Feisty Romney is not Intelligent Romney.

Holy shit, you moron. Repeat after me, in a boring drone that cannot possibly offend anyone: 'Obama had four years to fix the economy, and for all his honest efforts he's failed to do so. I can do better.'

I'm sure he'll say that retroactively at some point.

57 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:26:49pm

re: #49 lawhawk

CNN headline story currently has a woman from coal country lamenting that if President Obama is reelected, it's the end of the industry.

Fact is that fracking will do more to end the coal industry than anything Obama is doing (which is basically calling for improved emissions at power generating facilities).[...]

That natural gas also happens to be less polluting and is more energy efficient than coal at point of power production doesn't help coal. ...

Well, there is a lot of dispute over how much natural gas production does pollute, but nevertheless, the market strength of natural gas over coal doesn't have anything to do with pollution but from two important facts about natural gas: (1) it's more universally distributed around the planet, and (2) today it is more useful and easier to transport (which wasn't true in the past.)

The only thing coal is better at than natural gas is as coke in metal production.

What many Americans also don't realize is that the highest quality of coal, anthracite, peaked in production many years ago, and the US has been using over time lower and lower quality coal. Given our large resource base of low quality coal that hasn't been a limitation in use, but it has meant more ash and misc pollutants result from the burning of the coal.

58 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:29:01pm

re: #52 Kragar

Romney: Obama Is ‘Attacking Success’ And ‘Dividing America’

So not only does Willard not feel safe on any news station other than Fox, he apparently doesn't feel safe getting his news from anybody other than Fox either.

59 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:30:28pm

"Bain Damage" is good. It's right up there with this one:

60 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:30:54pm

re: #57 freetoken

Less polluting at the point of energy production, which is where pollution is measured for energy generation (think: tailpipe emissions). It's far from clear just how much fracking pollutes in order to release the natural gas from the surrounding materials (damage to aquifers, etc.).

61 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:34:12pm
62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:36:01pm

Yeah Obama's dividing America, Mitt but you, you're an unifier when you propose cutting programs that help people and while you refuse to consider any tax increase. Romney is getting more and more desperate by the day and his increasingly whiny reactions show it.

63 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:37:37pm

re: #61 Kragar

Fucking hell, that's dumb. That treaty is awesome for us.

64 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:39:15pm

re: #61 Kragar

Great.
"Senate Republicans join Iran, Syria, and North Korea"

65 HappyWarrior  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:39:35pm

re: #61 Kragar

What obstructionism?

Relying On Conspiracy Theories, GOPers Say They’ll Block Critical Sea Treaty

Checks are if Jim DeMint is spearing up the opposition to something, then it must be all right.

66 lawhawk  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:40:35pm

re: #49 lawhawk

Moreover, natural gas prices have dropped so far that it makes sense to consider switching from home heating oil to natural gas; far cheaper and fewer headaches about maintaining supplies. And don't think for a moment that building managers aren't thinking the same thing - particularly in the Northeast where home heating oil is most used.

The end result could be a significant improvement in air quality without additional regulations (though in NYC, there's a move afoot to phase out the dirtiest forms of heating oil). That action may get superseded by switching away from heating oil altogether.

67 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:41:45pm

Romney: Obama Is ‘Attacking Success’ And ‘Dividing America’

still playing to the wingnuts

68 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:43:23pm

re: #66 lawhawk

Yes, heating oil use is fading in light of the low price of natural gas. Liquids are far easier to transport than gases, but heating oil is just too expensive compared to natural gas anymore to make sense for general use.

70 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:44:59pm

re: #67 engineer cat

Romney: Obama Is ‘Attacking Success’ And ‘Dividing America’

still playing to the wingnuts

He doesn't have a choice. Left to their own devices, the wingnuts would just stay home rather than vote for Mitt. He needs them pissed at Obama and willing to go to the polls if he's going to have any kind of chance.

71 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:45:54pm

re: #18 Kragar

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

Please note: Just labeling yourself Christian doesn't make you a moral person either.

Fucking dirtbags.

Fuck that Judeo part, we just want to co-opt their Old Testment and their Wailing Wall and their Holocaust.

72 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:47:08pm

re: #69 Kragar

Walmart Heirs Have As Much Wealth As Bottom 40 Percent Of Americans Combined

But paying higher taxes is a burden on them, don'tcha know. How would they ever survive?

73 JAFO  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:51:03pm

From Reddit

Image: vlyle.jpg

74 Sol Berdinowitz  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:53:02pm

re: #73 Big Joe

From Reddit

Image: vlyle.jpg

that image is gonna get a lot of mileage...

75 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:56:58pm

Woot! After much wrestling with libraries and RPM packages and registering with Oracle, I finally got Java Runtime Environment 6 installed on our web server.

Now I can install the Google Closure Compiler and run it directly on the server to minimize Javascript files, instead of transferring all that code over the web to Google's API.

I know, right?

76 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:57:34pm

The strength of the self blindness of the racist atavists in this country is something to behold.

As some of you might have noticed, the past few days I've been linking to WND articles that are so over the top dog whistles that the WND commenters have gone full Stormfront.

Yesterday WND put up a (syndicated) Thomas Sowell article ARE RACE RIOTS NOT NEWS? to support their case.

Sowell has long been detached from reality - which is why he's so prominently put on display at sites like Townhall - and I wonder if he (in his ivory tower seclusion) even cares to notice that WND uses his article as bait to attract plain old racist comments.

77 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:57:43pm

Time to shut down Twitter. This tweet will never be exceeded:

[EDIT: do'h...it's already gone...it's was Newt's announcement that he will be appearing with Snooki tomorrow night with Leno and hoping she likes zoo animals]

78 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 1:59:44pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Time to shut down Twitter. This tweet will never be exceeded:

You mean this one?

79 Cinnabar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:01:03pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Woot! After much wrestling with libraries and RPM packages and registering with Oracle, I finally got Java Runtime Environment 6 installed on our web server.

Now I can install the Google Closure Compiler and run it directly on the server to minimize Javascript files, instead of transferring all that code over the web to Google's API.

I know, right?

I don't have the vaguest idea what you just said, but congratulations.

80 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:05:22pm

re: #78 Kragar

You mean this one?

[Embedded content]

Why the hell did it suggest that I follow One Tweet Tony when I retweeted that?

81 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:06:10pm

re: #77 bratwurst

Time to shut down Twitter. This tweet will never be exceeded:

[EDIT: do'h...it's already gone...it's was Newt's announcement that he will be appearing with Snooki tomorrow night with Leno and hoping she likes zoo animals]

Just to prove I am not crazy:

82 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:08:23pm

re: #81 bratwurst

Just to prove I am not crazy:

[Embedded content]

That may be evidence, but I wouldn't go so far as to call it proof.

/back to work...

83 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:08:45pm

re: #80 wrenchwench

Why the hell did it suggest that I follow One Tweet Tony when I retweeted that?

You could always follow Stealth Mountain instead.

Stealth Mountain
@StealthMountain

I alert twitter users that they typed sneak peak when they meant sneak peek. I live a sad life.

84 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:09:47pm

re: #83 Kragar

You could always follow Stealth Mountain instead.

Does this mean you have a Twitter account?

What's next, Facebook?!?

85 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:10:46pm

re: #84 wrenchwench

Does this mean you have a Twitter account?

What's next, Facebook?!?

Nope, not me and no FB ever.

86 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:13:11pm

Stealth Mountain :
120,915 Tweets
0 Following
15,677 Followers

87 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:23:52pm
88 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:31:28pm

re: #61 Kragar

What obstructionism?

Relying On Conspiracy Theories, GOPers Say They’ll Block Critical Sea Treaty

I guarantee they are doing this so they hand another "failure" to Obama. You wait and see, they'll be all over him for not getting the Treaty done.

89 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:34:13pm
“the treaty grants the U.S. the only permanent veto as to how the modest royalties, collected in return for secure property rights, are to be distributed to state parties” and would allow “U.S. access to strategic minerals of copper, nickel, cobalt, manganese and rare earths worth about $1 trillion.“

THAT is what they blocked because OMG! The UN! BLARGH!

I don't understand this notion that accepting help from any government or international organization (that isn't a private corporation) is bad, evil and "Un-American."

90 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:34:18pm

Obama is changing the welfare rules to give states more flexibility, the GOP is really angry because they're totally opposed to states' rights.

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

91 Tigger2  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:36:39pm

re: #18 Kragar

Freedom of Religion 'Doesn't Mean it's Morally Right for People' to be Non-Christians

Please note: Just labeling yourself Christian doesn't make you a moral person either.

Fucking dirtbags.

Thinking like Grudem and people like him is why I have walked away from organist Religion.

92 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:37:08pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Obama is changing the welfare rules to give states more flexibility, the GOP is really angry because they're totally opposed to states' rights.

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

"This power grab by the Obama administration is not a constructive effort to encourage states to think creatively about how to get more people off of welfare and into productive jobs," Hatch said.

*Game show intro music*

Hello, and welcome to another exciting edition of GRAB THAT POWER! The show where you can win big by guessing what crazy power the President wants to grab this week!

93 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:37:13pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Obama is changing the welfare rules to give states more flexibility, the GOP is really angry because they're totally opposed to states' rights.

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

Bryan Fischer chimed in on this

94 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:37:53pm

Desperately seeking a fig leaf:

Perry: Candidates should be ‘transparent’ about tax returns, transcripts

“I’m a big believer that no matter who you are, or what office you’re running for, you should be as transparent as you can be with your tax returns and other aspects of your life so that people have the appropriate ability to judge your background and what have you.

“I certainly think it is inappropriate for the president of the United States to not keep his college transcript and his law school transcripts public, that he should make those available.”

“I’m all about transparency.”

95 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:37:57pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Obama is changing the welfare rules to give states more flexibility, the GOP is really angry because they're totally opposed to states' rights.

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

Yeah, I've already heard wingnuts going nuts, swallowing the line that this means states undo the welfare reform. So much for the "50 laboratories of democracy," huh?

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:39:03pm

re: #94 jaunte

Desperately seeking a fig leaf:

Perry: Candidates should be ‘transparent’ about tax returns, transcripts

So, who wants to take this opportunity to tell Pointy Boots to pound sand?

97 dragonfire1981  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:40:43pm

I had meant to respond to that:

Last week the Department of Health and Human Services announced a relaxation of some work requirement contained in the 1996 Welfare Reform Act in an effort to give "states and localities [more] flexibility administering it so they can experiment with ways to improve the number of people making the jump from government assistance to jobs."

Today on his radio program, Bryan Fischer absolutely flipped out over the change, claiming that it was an effort by President Obama to win re-elections by getting "more people helpless, abjectly dependent upon him as if he were the slave owner of a plantation and they were working in his cotton fields."

The notion that a black man would want to be, of all things, a cotton field running slave owner, is ridiculous.

The move, Fischer declared, was illegal and unconstitutional, demonstrating that Obama is a "lawless president" who is like a "street thug" who takes a "perverse delight" in destroying America "just like juvenile delinquents just destroy stuff just for the sheer pleasure of destruction"

Translation: I think all black people are common criminals.

98 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:41:47pm

GOP Sen. Ignores Reforms Sought By His State, Falsely Claims Obama Scrapped Welfare Reform With ‘Stroke Of A Pen’


HATCH: In essence, by the stroke of a pen, and against the clear intent of bipartisan majorities of the American people, Congress and the law itself, President Obama’s administration has attempted to undo welfare reform, one of the signature bipartisan policy achievements of the last 20 years. [...] This landmark legislation, the product of a Republican-controlled Congress, ended an entitlement to welfare and replaced it with a block grant to the states. The block grant known as the Temporary Assistance to Needy Families, or TANF, provided states with unprecedented control over welfare programs in exchange for meeting federal work standards.

But the changes sought by the administration seem similar to the program Hatch described in his rant. The administration’s waivers would give even more of the “unprecedented control” Hatch cites to state governments, a type of reform usually supported by Republicans. And though it waives certain federal requirements, the states will still have to meet federal standards (and establish their own benchmarks) under the waiver program.

Further, the reforms hardly “gut” welfare reform or its welfare-to-work requirement. Instead, they aim to improve a program that is woefully inadequate when compared to the federally-controlled welfare program that preceded it.

99 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:42:07pm

re: #96 Targetpractice

From the Editors at NRO:

Release the Returns

"It is to President Obama’s advantage to fight the election out over tactics and minutiae. By drawing out the argument over the returns, Romney is playing into the president’s hands. He should release them, respond to any attacks they bring, and move on."

100 Political Atheist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:42:30pm

re: #60 lawhawk

What kills me on fracking is that at the very same time natural gas is just burned off in so many places. There is also the backyard test. What would you rather have near your backyard? Coal power plant, gas, or nuke?

BTW-Just finished my first ever Federal Court testimony today. Five hours in the witness chair. Proximate and expert witness. What a fascinating experience. Stressful, but really glad I did it.

101 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:43:29pm

re: #91 Tigger2

Thinking like Grudem and people like him is why I have walked away from organist Religion.

I always liked the music in churches. Now the violins on TV, that has to stop.

102 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:45:27pm

Flip-flop!

Perry Won't Press Romney To Release Tax Returns

Perry said candidates for public office should be “as transparent as you can be with your tax returns and other aspects of your life,” but he wouldn’t directly answer whether Romney should produce more than the two tax returns he has promised to give the media.

103 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:46:44pm

If Romney only wants to release 2 years of tax returns, then we should only judge his business experience on those 2 years.

104 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:50:40pm

Sununu apologizes for his choice of words, not what he said

Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu told CNN that he misspoke when he said President Obama needs to “learn to be an American” Tuesday. But he let stand his comments that Obama doesn’t understand America because of his teenage drug use and his time as a grade-schooler in Indonesia.

Sununu said his “learn to be an American” was an error.

“Frankly I made a mistake,” he said. “I shouldn’t have used those words. And I apologize for using those words, but I don’t apologize for the idea that this president has demonstrated that he does not understand how jobs are created in America.”

105 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:51:14pm

re: #99 jaunte

From the Editors at NRO:

Release the Returns

Seems the two factions, the old-line GOP and the TPers, are coming to opposing conclusions. The former thinks he can make the whole thing go away if he releases his returns. The latter thinks Romney should either continue to refuse or set terms with Obama to release his returns in exchange for something from Obama.

But both seem to be of the belief that releasing such information can do nothing but strengthen his campaign by showing how successful he's been and how convoluted the tax code is.

106 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:53:29pm

re: #91 Tigger2

Thinking like Grudem and people like him is why I have walked away from organist Religion.

i'm looking into tax breaks for disorganized religions

107 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:55:13pm

re: #105 Targetpractice

I think Romney has been a pretty good judge of what he could get away with, and if he thinks he needs to hide something, I trust his judgment that the voters aren't going to like it.

108 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:56:53pm

Romney surrogate: 'I wish this president would learn

just what we need, surrogate romneys

110 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:58:31pm

Hmm, decisions, decisions. Make Sheriff Joe look like more of an idiot or avoid linking to World Nut Daily. Hmmm...

111 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:59:37pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Hmm, decisions, decisions. Make Sheriff Joe look like more of an idiot or avoid linking to World Nut Daily. Hmmm...

Make a page and link to the page

112 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:59:52pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

Wasn't today supposed to be some big, "live", reveal from Sheriff Joe?

113 danarchy  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 2:59:58pm

re: #90 Obdicut

Obama is changing the welfare rules to give states more flexibility, the GOP is really angry because they're totally opposed to states' rights.

[Link: www.ksdk.com...]

I am all for giving the states the ability to experiment with better solutions, however, unless the law actually allows for these waivers I am not comfortable with the executive branch making a decision to change things unilaterally. It sets a precedent for presidential power that I may not want future presidents to exercise.

114 JAFO  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:01:27pm
115 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:01:42pm

re: #89 dragonfire1981

I don't understand this notion that accepting help from any government or international organization (that isn't a private corporation) is bad, evil and "Un-American."

Because of reasons, that's why. =P

116 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:05:41pm

re: #113 danarchy

I am all for giving the states the ability to experiment with better solutions, however, unless the law actually allows for these waivers I am not comfortable with the executive branch making a decision to change things unilaterally. It sets a precedent for presidential power that I may not want future presidents to exercise.

It is an interesting debate that unfortunately doesn't get much serious discussion. Bush did push the envelope on executive powers for national security issues. Obama is doing a bit of that too with social/domestic issues. I'm not sure how I feel about it. Congress is a broken machine and political posturing makes any solutions next to impossible.

117 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:06:22pm

IRONY STORM OFF THE STARBOARD BOW!

The American Decency Association wants to know who gave Google the right to tell people what they think is right or wrong

Your company recently announced your new "Legalize Love" campaign. You stated that Google is "proud to be recognized as a leader in LGBT inclusion efforts."

Why? Google is a company that has excelled at what it has set out to accomplish. You have made many successful products that do not discriminate against any colors, creeds, or "sexual orientations."

Why does a successful internet company like yours - which has nothing to do with cultural standards - suddenly feel the need to impose your values on your customers who may not agree with you on such a controversial issue as homosexuality? For that matter, what gives you, a technology company, the right to tell people what's right and wrong?

Please, just make your product and stay out of the culture war.

If there is one thing I hate, its when organizations go around telling people whats right and wrong, and we need to let them know it!
/

118 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:14:08pm

I'm actually feeling my IQ drop as I listen to stream. Their latest accusation is that Hawaii claims it didn't create the PDF, so that "proves" that the White House created or "amended" Obama's birth certificate.

119 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:14:44pm

re: #114 Big Joe

Arpaio's posse of morons press conference

For those of you who don't want to suffer thru Stormfront Joe's "revealing" press conference, it's just the same old rehashed crap that's been proven false time and again.

aka:

"The long-form birth certificate is a forgery, because LAYERS~!"

120 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:15:34pm

re: #118 Targetpractice

I'm actually feeling my IQ drop as I listen to stream. Their latest accusation is that Hawaii claims it didn't create the PDF, so that "proves" that the White House created or "amended" Obama's birth certificate.

I can't see the press conference live, so I've got to assume aliens from the planet Hesperax VIII are altering the signal as its being broadcast.

121 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:16:15pm

re: #119 RadicalModerate

re: #118 Targetpractice

Your brave actions of sacrificing your own brain cells for the sake of us whose age has already cost us too much of our own mental resources is greatly appreciated.

122 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:16:21pm

And now they're onto the "tracking numbers are too high!"

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.//

123 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:17:21pm

Liberal alliance scores wins in Libya poll results

Results from Libya's first elections after the overthrow of Col Gaddafi have shown gains for an alliance of parties seen as broadly liberal.

The National Forces Alliance, led by interim Prime Minister Mahmoud Jibril, has won 39 out of 80 seats reserved for political parties, local media say.

The Muslim Brotherhood's party has gained 17.

124 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:17:34pm

re: #120 Kragar

I can't see the press conference live, so I've got to assume aliens from the planet Hesperax VIII are altering the signal as its being broadcast.

Damn, found out.

*ATTENTION, ATTENTION. All ships back to Mars base! I repeat, all ships back to Mars base!*

125 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:19:19pm

re: #122 Targetpractice

And now they're onto the "tracking numbers are too high!"

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.//

The first thing I thought of when I heard this.

126 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:23:20pm

re: #114 Big Joe

Arpaio's posse of morons press conference

i'm waiting for mitt to reveal his original long form underwear

127 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:23:22pm

"Where is the microfilm!?"

Somebody in the audience asks out loud "What's the microfilm going to show?" and Sheriff Joe just ignores it to answer other questions.

128 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:26:25pm

Uh-oh, watch out, Sheriff Joe's gettin' riled up.

129 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:26:59pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Uh-oh, watch out, Sheriff Joe's gettin' riled up.

"I'LL SEE YOU ALL IN PINK UNDERWEAR BEFORE THIS DAY IS DONE!"

130 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:27:46pm

(Paraphrase)

"Sheriff, about all those sex crimes you've been ignoring..."

"Don't focus on that, focus on this, because it's important!"

131 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:30:09pm

re: #130 Targetpractice

(Paraphrase)

"Sheriff, about all those sex crimes you've been ignoring..."

"Don't focus on that, focus on this, because it's important!"

"I AM THE GREAT AND POWERFUL ARPAIO! PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE FRAUDS BEHIND THIS PODIUM! WAIT..."

132 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:30:55pm

Ol' Sheriff Joe's demanding Congress look into it this, while apparently the audience seems to be fighting to keep straight faces.

133 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:33:08pm

i'm sorry, was the "evidence" that the number on the certificate wasn't in the expected order according to some esoteric sorting routine?

134 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:34:07pm

Corsi...a reporter...can't...breathe...

135 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:36:50pm

Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber...

Limbaugh: New Batman Film is an Anti-Romney Conspiracy

Yes Rush, a 20 year old comic character being in a movie is definitely an attack on Romney.

This week marks the release of The Dark Knight Rises, the widely anticipated final film in director Christopher Nolan's Batman trilogy. The villain in the film happens to be a character named Bane. Limbaugh is convinced that the aural similarity between Bane, the Batman villain and Bain, the company founded by Mitt Romney, is no coincidence. In fact, Limbaugh says, it's all part of the plan.

Have you heard, this new movie, the Batman movie—what is it, the Dark Knight Lights Up or something? Whatever the name of it is. That's right, Dark Knight Rises, Lights Up, same thing. Do you know the name of the villain in this movie? Bane. The villain in the Dark Knight Rises is named Bane. B-A-N-E. What is the name of the venture capital firm that Romney ran, and around which there's now this make-believe controversy? Bain. The movie has been in the works for a long time, the release date's been known, summer 2012 for a long time. Do you think that it is accidental, that the name of the really vicious, fire-breathing, four-eyed, whatever-it-is villain in this movie is named Bane?

Some context for the non-nerds: Bane the Batman villain was originally introduced by DC Comics as part of a story arc that involves Batman being harried to exhaustion by having to deal with a rash of escaped supervillains. Bane inflicts a devastating defeat on Batman, who is too tired to fight back, breaking his back and leaving him in a wheelchair for a year. This happened in 1993. Almost twenty years ago. A guy named Bill Clinton was president.

136 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:37:24pm

re: #134 Targetpractice

Corsi...a reporter...can't...breathe...

Corsi is as much a reporter as Barton is a historian.

137 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:37:26pm

re: #133 engineer cat

i'm sorry, was the "evidence" that the number on the certificate wasn't in the expected order according to some esoteric sorting routine?

The number was too high. It should have only been 3/5 of the number for a 'normal' child (you know what I mean? nudge, nudge, wink, wink)

138 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:38:38pm

re: #135 Kragar

Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber...

Limbaugh: New Batman Film is an Anti-Romney Conspiracy

Yes Rush, a 20 year old comic character being in a movie is definitely an attack on Romney.

I won't believe it until I see it diagrammed out on a blackboard by Glenn Beck.

139 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:39:03pm

re: #135 Kragar

Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber...

Limbaugh: New Batman Film is an Anti-Romney Conspiracy

Yes Rush, a 20 year old comic character being in a movie is definitely an attack on Romney.

Romney is the moron who gave his company that name, if I am not mistaken. Now it's the bane of his existence.

140 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:39:39pm

Reporter asks them the most relevant question, namely "If you didn't go there on official police business, why did you expect the local officials to do nothing more than slam the door in your face?"

Response boils down to "They're hiding something because they were coached to cover it up from us. They knew we were there to find the proof."

141 gwangung  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:40:38pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

Romney is the moron who gave his company that name, if I am not mistaken. Now it's the bane of his existence.

Actually, there is William Bain, the real person, who was there at the start.

142 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:41:10pm

The old "We're not accusing Obama of anything, we're just saying" bit, before asserting that somebody within the White House had to have forged the certificate.

143 RadicalModerate  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:41:18pm

Hey Mr. Arpaio.
You are supposed to have such a high level of authority in the Arizona law enforcement community. Since you're so convinced that President Obama broke the law by being illegally placed on the Arizona Presidential ballot on at least three occasions (twice for primaries, once for general election) isn't it your duty to swear out a warrant and try to arrest Mr. Obama?

I really want to see the look on your face when the Secret Service give you a forcible perp-walk.

144 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:42:01pm

Rush is strongly against homophones of any kind.

145 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:42:51pm

re: #144 Kragar

Rush is strongly against homophones of any kind.

Another tweet begging to happen.

146 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:42:59pm

*sigh*

The worst part is, there are people out there who are stupid enough to fall for this "Bane vs. Bain" crap.

147 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:44:16pm

re: #135 Kragar

Yes Rush, a 20 year old comic character being in a movie is definitely an attack on Romney.

By Rush's idiot logic, Mitt Romney is Batman. WTF.

148 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:44:24pm
149 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:46:40pm

So the "press conference" ends and it amounts to little more than a rewarming of some old conspiracy theories, with a dollop of "We're sure that their refusal to talk to us is proof of a conspiracy" on top.

Ho-hum.

150 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:47:28pm

re: #146 Lidane

*sigh*

Rush Limbaugh's Bane vs. Bain Conspiracy: Host Says 'Dark Knight Rises' Villain Is Attack on Romney (Audio)

The worst part is, there are people out there who are stupid enough to fall for this crap.

Yup, a movie that began initial drafts and preproduction work almost 4 years ago knew ahead of time that by using a 20 year old comic book character, they would be able to smear the GOP presidential nominee in 2012 with a scandal only a few weeks old.

151 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:50:37pm

re: #150 Kragar

Yup, a movie that began initial drafts and preproduction work almost 4 years ago knew ahead of time that by using a 20 year old comic book character, they would be able to smear the GOP presidential nominee in 2012 with a scandal only a few weeks old.

Related:

CREATOR OF BATMAN VILLAIN ‘BANE’ CALLS DEMOCRATS’ BATMAN-THEMED ATTACK ON ROMNEY ‘RIDICULOUS’

The stupid is strong with these people. How do they function in daily life?

152 blueraven  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:51:31pm

re: #135 Kragar

Just when you thought it couldn't get any dumber...

Limbaugh: New Batman Film is an Anti-Romney Conspiracy

Yes Rush, a 20 year old comic character being in a movie is definitely an attack on Romney.

Obama has driven them all mad as a hatter.
Seek help Rush.

153 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:56:43pm

Hey, you know that woman who testified that George Zimmerman had molested her for years?

Breitbart.com scumbag Lee Stranahan outed her today.

Trayvon, George, Witness 9 & Other Obama Political Casualties.

154 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:56:55pm

This whole Arpaio "posse" is of course nothing other than grandstanding birtherism, which itself is suppressed racism being expressed through an attack on the basic legitimacy of President Obama.

That WND is now a Stormfront front-end, is also the key supporter of Arpaio, is not surprising.

And that someone mentioned Glen Beck - sure enough, The Blaze mimics WND in the racist comment baiting:

MASSIVE ‘FLASH MOB’ OF 300 TERRORIZES, ROBS FLORIDA WALMART AFTER LOCAL PARTY BROKEN UP BY POLICE


The comments there are pretty ugly, as with this Blaze article:

WOULD YOU SEE A MOVIE CALLED ‘DEAR WHITE PEOPLE?’ HEAR ITS CREATOR SPEAK HERE

Glen Beck and Joseph Farah and Joe Arpaio - they are all angling for the same supporters - a very backward, hateful, resentful segment of American society.

The problem for the rest of us is that larger entities are trying for their support too - Sununu is just the foie gras analog to Farah's Cheez-whiz.

155 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:57:19pm

'Obamanomics Explained' is not a PolitiFact chart

We've gotten many inquiries today about a chart being widely circulated on Facebook. It has the PolitiFact logo and is headlined "Obamanomics Explained."

But "Obamanomics Explained" is not a PolitiFact chart and it improperly uses our trademark. It also selectively takes statistics from our work. We have asked the Tea Party Express to remove it from the group's Facebook page, where one version has appeared.

156 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 3:57:42pm

Here's why Stranahan says he's revealing this possible sexual abuse victim's identity:

The entire Trayvon Martin / George Zimmerman story was amped up into a national story on purpose by President Obama with the help of his surrogate Al Sharpton in order to help win the 2012 election.

157 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:00:29pm

Aren't there federal laws against intimidating witnesses?

158 Lidane  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:02:22pm

re: #157 freetoken

Aren't there federal laws against intimidating witnesses?

Those rules only protect white, male, straight, Christian landowning witnesses. Everyone else is fair game.

///

159 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:04:56pm

Arpaio goes on trial day after tomorrow. You don't suppose he would want to distract from that, do you?

160 bratwurst  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:05:48pm
161 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:06:03pm

re: #159 wrenchwench

Arpaio goes on trial day after tomorrow. You don't suppose he would want to distract from that, do you?

I was just thinking earlier that it seems he always makes these "press conferences" happen shortly before or after the DoJ makes a (bigger) fool of him.

162 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:14:55pm

Returning to an old topic of mine, you remember Art Robinson?

Well, yes, he's running for Congress, again.

Art Robinson publishes book for 2012 campaign

Congressional candidate Art Robinson, who has four campaign meetings scheduled in Linn County Saturday, has published a 404-page paperback spelling out his views.

[...]

Yeah, Robinson really is a "404" type of person.

163 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:15:32pm
There are any number of reasons why Romney might not have wanted to sever his ties with Bain. But here's one that nobody has yet explored: So his wife, Ann, would not lose her health insurance as she battled with multiple sclerosis.

Put another way, was Mitt Romney -- for all his millions -- effectively "job locked" at Bain by a broken health insurance system that might have made it impossible to find coverage for Ann Romney if Mitt lost his insurance through Bain?

Ann Romney has talked frequently in recent months about how her fight against MS humanized her. But the Romney campaign has refused to answer questions from the Huffington Post about the couple's health insurance. Nor has Bain Capital revealed whether Romney retained his health insurance while working for the Salt Lake Organizing Committee for the Olympic and Paralympic Winter Games of 2002 (SLOC).

164 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:15:37pm

I just offered a kid 25 cents each for a few crickets, because I just saw an emaciated version of the lizard that I thought left the shop on July 4th. She's still lively, though. I got her out the door once today, but she came back in. Maybe not emaciated, but thinner with extra skin in the belly area. Maybe she laid eggs in here! :O

165 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:15:41pm

The problem for Art Robinson is that he is no longer relatively weird enough to garner news attention anymore. The rest of the GOP has overtaken him.

166 dragonath  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:16:19pm

George W. Bush: 'Eight Years Was Awesome, And I Was Famous And I Was Powerful'

"...But I have no desire for fame and power anymore," he said in a new interview with the Hoover Institute's Peter Robinson.

167 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:16:29pm

Sununu’s Out-of-this-World Outsourcing Claim

John Sununu claimed President Obama “outsourced a major portion of the U.S. space program to the Russians.” But it was President Bush who set NASA on a path eight years ago to retire the Space Shuttle and rely on the Russians for space travel.

“[Bush] Administration policy is to retire the shuttle in 2010 and purchase crew transport from Russia,” as then-NASA Administrator Michael Griffin once explained.

To be sure, Obama ended the Space Shuttle program, leaving the U.S. to rely on the Russians for the July 14 launch of a Soyuz spaceship that carried a U.S. astronaut — the event that prompted Sununu’s remark. But Griffin, who led NASA under Bush, privately blamed the Bush White House in internal emails in 2008 for launching a “jihad” to retire the shuttle without giving NASA the authority and funds to simultaneously replace it.

Sununu, the former Republican governor of New Hampshire, appears frequently on TV to speak for presumptive GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney. On July 16, Sununu went on CNN to defend Romney against charges that he outsourced U.S. jobs overseas as the head of Bain Capital. In doing so, he criticizing Obama for outsourcing the U.S. space program to Russia.

168 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:19:01pm

Whoa - I just took a look at some of the other stuff on Stranahan's site, and started hearing the theme music to Looney Tunes.

He's making whacked-out "mind maps" of the enemies who are conspiring against him and their nefarious tactics.

Image: PoliticalIntimidationTactics-2.png

169 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:22:09pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Whoa - I just took a look at some of the other stuff on Stranahan's site, and started hearing the theme music to Looney Tunes.

He's making whacked-out "mind maps" of the enemies who are conspiring against him and their nefarious tactics.

Image: PoliticalIntimidationTactics-2.png

You need some more branching in the Twitter Gulag.

170 wrenchwench  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:25:52pm
171 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:27:23pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

He's being harassed by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

172 Obdicut  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:28:44pm

Why is 'concern trolling' under "Whisper Campaign" and not "Comment Abuse?"

For that matter, what do spoofed emails have to do with a whisper campaign?

173 CuriousLurker  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:28:56pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Heh. Last week, I don't remember where, I saw mention of him having complied a big spreadsheet of stuff too. I wonder if RSM is still reporting "from an undisclosed location"...I got kinda bored with the ridiculous complexity of their conspiracy theories and tired of watching them turn on each other, so I pretty much stopped paying attention to the yammering.

174 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:31:28pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

175 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:32:45pm

re: #171 Obdicut

He's being harassed by the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

i dunno about the FSM but i don't give my tentacles individual names...

176 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:34:23pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Why is 'concern trolling' under "Whisper Campaign" and not "Comment Abuse?"

For that matter, what do spoofed emails have to do with a whisper campaign?

Because SHUT UP!
;)

177 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:35:29pm

re: #172 Obdicut

Why is 'concern trolling' under "Whisper Campaign" and not "Comment Abuse?"

For that matter, what do spoofed emails have to do with a whisper campaign?

i think "twitter intimidation" should definitely be abbreviated to "twitimidation"

178 engineer cat  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:37:26pm

tenticular taxomania

179 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:43:44pm

Vt. GOP official sorry for Obama Facebook post

A county Republican Party committee chairman apologized Tuesday for a statement he reposted to a party Facebook page that was widely interpreted as a racist attack on President Barack Obama.

Rob Towle, the Rutland County committee chairman, called the statement "stupid and insensitive." On Monday, he apologized to Democrats he said were offended by the post. A day later, he was directing his apology to everyone.

The original post talked about a "2012 Social Security Stimulus Package" that included cornbread mix, discount coupons to Kentucky Fried Chicken and a prayer rug. Prayer rugs are used by Muslims in religious observances.

It added that the contents of the "stimulus package" included an "`Obama Hope & Change' bumper sticker, and a `Blame it on Bush' poster for the front yard. The directions were in Spanish."

[...]

Towle said someone else had written the message and shared it on his personal Facebook page, and he reposted it on Sunday on the county Republican Facebook page.

[...]

Towle confirmed Tuesday that in responding to questions from the website, he initially had defended the posting, but had since changed his thinking.

"I realized that it was inappropriate and insensitive and I'm truly sorry for having posted it in the first place," [...]

In a statement issued Tuesday, he said: "It was a case of bad judgment and anyone that knows me, knows that the post does not reflect my personal values, nor does it in any way reflect the values or beliefs of any GOP official, candidate, GOP worker, or any person that I am friends with or associate with."

This is amazing, if you read the last paragraph in light of the earlier ones. The last statement says "... knows that the post does not reflect my personal values, [...] or any person that I am friends with or associate with."

A claim which is just false on the face of it. One of his Facebook friends obviously believed it, and Towle even initially defended it by his own admission.

This is an "apology" about one thing: getting caught.

180 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:47:52pm

re: #36 jamesfirecat

The peasants are revolting!

I know have you ever seen one up close?

Good God no! I have people to do that for me.

181 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 4:57:48pm

Over on the God Discussion blog a series of 8 posts were recently written that look at the state GOP's platforms. For example, two of them:

A Look at the State Republican Platforms: More than 1 in 5 state parties agree, creationism should be taught as science.

and

A Look at the State Republican Platforms: Our patriotic Christian nation, from K-12

give an indication to how theocratic the GOP has become.

182 allegro  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:01:33pm

re: #179 freetoken

Vt. GOP official sorry for Obama Facebook post

This is amazing, if you read the last paragraph in light of the earlier ones. The last statement says "... knows that the post does not reflect my personal values, [...] or any person that I am friends with or associate with."

A claim which is just false on the face of it. One of his Facebook friends obviously believed it, and Towle even initially defended it by his own admission.

This is an "apology" about one thing: getting caught.

I gotta wonder how freaking stupid these guys are. When you post this stuff, it IS going to get out. Is it really that they have no idea how racist they are until someone points it out?

183 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:01:48pm
184 gwangung  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:02:16pm

re: #182 allegro

I gotta wonder how freaking stupid these guys are. When you post this stuff, it IS going to get out. Is it really that they have no idea how racist they are until someone points it out?

Ding ding ding!

185 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:02:36pm

Meanwhile, the national GOP platform for 2012 is being written:


Ahead of Tampa, GOP platform in early drafts

A week before the Republican convention opens in Tampa, a small group of delegates and party leaders will meet to craft a set of principles and positions that will serve as the official GOP platform.


Members of the group, known as the platform committee, will argue over which issues will be included, ranging from employment to energy.

All the policy proposals, however, are built on a single foundation:

"The goal is to beat Barack Obama," said Rep. Marsha Blackburn, R-Tenn., a co-chairwoman of the committee. "I think you are going to see unity on that."

[...]

I wonder how much of the theocratic stuff will filter up to the top.

186 Varek Raith  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:05:39pm

re: #183 jaunte

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187 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:09:58pm

re: #182 allegro

I note that the entire RutlandGOP Facebook page is down the drain pipe now. I can't find it on Facebook at all.

188 JAFO  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:13:17pm
189 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:14:36pm

The local VT newspaper is on top of it:

Yesterday and today

Rob Towle yesterday:

"comedy is usually based in reality .... call it racist if you must ..... not too far off from the truth."

Rob Towle today:

"It was a case of bad judgement and anyone that knows me, knows that the post does not reflect my personal values..."

Looks to me like Rob Towle wants to change his "personal values" retroactively.

190 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:22:27pm

Might need to be more careful about keeping the car gassed up.

I have a 12 gallon tank.

I just pumped 11.978 gallons.

191 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:24:01pm

re: #168 Charles Johnson

Whoa - I just took a look at some of the other stuff on Stranahan's site, and started hearing the theme music to Looney Tunes.

He's making whacked-out "mind maps" of the enemies who are conspiring against him and their nefarious tactics.

Image: PoliticalIntimidationTactics-2.png

Is this him?

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:25:33pm

re: #190 Kragar

Might need to be more careful about keeping the car gassed up.

I have a 12 gallon tank.

I just pumped 11.978 gallons.

So you weren't running on fumes so much as hopes and prayers.

193 Kragar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:27:54pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

So you weren't running on fumes so much as hopes and prayers.

I was telling the car how much further till the gas station and calling her a good girl while hoping I had enough momentum to coast in if necessary.

194 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:36:44pm

re: #100 Daniel Ballard

What kills me on fracking is that at the very same time natural gas is just burned off in so many places. There is also the backyard test. What would you rather have near your backyard? Coal power plant, gas, or nuke?

BTW-Just finished my first ever Federal Court testimony today. Five hours in the witness chair. Proximate and expert witness. What a fascinating experience. Stressful, but really glad I did it.

Nuke!

(Well, specifically, this type of nuke: [Link: www.nuscalepower.com...] )

Safe as kittens.

195 palomino  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:43:03pm

re: #179 freetoken

Vt. GOP official sorry for Obama Facebook post

This is amazing, if you read the last paragraph in light of the earlier ones. The last statement says "... knows that the post does not reflect my personal values, [...] or any person that I am friends with or associate with."

A claim which is just false on the face of it. One of his Facebook friends obviously believed it, and Towle even initially defended it by his own admission.

This is an "apology" about one thing: getting caught.

How many hundreds of officials from around the country have been forced to apologize, or at least pretend to, because of tweets, emails, facebook postings, etc. that used racist imagery against Obama? Now tell me the abuse he's taken is no different than what Bush, Clinton and most other former Presidents have had to deal with.

196 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:55:07pm

re: #153 Charles Johnson

Hey, you know that woman who testified that George Zimmerman had molested her for years?

Breitbart.com scumbag Lee Stranahan outed her today.

Trayvon, George, Witness 9 & Other Obama Political Casualties.

Ah, it's the conspiratorial left, now.

Sheesh.

197 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 5:59:41pm
198 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:01:01pm

re: #181 freetoken

Over on the God Discussion blog a series of 8 posts were recently written that look at the state GOP's platforms. For example, two of them:

A Look at the State Republican Platforms: More than 1 in 5 state parties agree, creationism should be taught as science.

and

A Look at the State Republican Platforms: Our patriotic Christian nation, from K-12

give an indication to how theocratic the GOP has become.

Well, thank gawd in Texas we believe all of that and that critical thinking skills are inimical to a child's education.

199 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:01:08pm
200 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:01:55pm

re: #191 Gus

Is this him?

Hah!

You should post these 'shops as Pages. Great stuff.

201 Gus  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:02:22pm

re: #200 Charles Johnson

Hah!

You should post these 'shops as Pages. Great stuff.

Thanks. Perhaps one of these days.

202 Killgore Trout  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:04:58pm

re: #196 austin_blue

Ah, it's the conspiratorial left, now.

Sheesh.

George Zimmerman: Is the prosecution damaging his credibility?

Before the trial of George Zimmerman begins in the killing of Trayvon Martin, the prosecution has made public material that may not be admissible in court but raises questions about his character and credibility.

The prosecution released the call for public relations purposes, it doesn't help them legally. They probably shouldn't have done it.

203 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:10:07pm
204 Targetpractice  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:10:38pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

George Zimmerman: Is the prosecution damaging his credibility?

The prosecution released the call for public relations purposes, it doesn't help them legally. They probably shouldn't have done it.

From the sounds of what's been released, her call/interview is the least of the defense's concerns. Word is that one of the jailhouse calls made by GZ indicates that he informed O'Mara about there being $37K in the account prior to the original bond hearing.

205 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:10:43pm

Hey, I found out I could get a new lamp for my TV for 35 bucks. Don't have to spend $1,000 for a new one for a while now.

206 Charles Johnson  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:11:19pm

re: #183 jaunte

A very photogenic primate.

207 jaunte  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:12:00pm

re: #206 Charles Johnson

He looks like he has a secret.

208 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:12:34pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

I'm so glad you're concerned about poor George Zimmerman's reputation. But really, the fucker killed a kid. His 'reputation' is the least of his worries.

209 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:14:36pm

re: #207 jaunte

He looks like he has a secret.

Glenn Beck smiles like that. He, too, plays with his poop.

210 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:22:22pm

re: #202 Killgore Trout

George Zimmerman: Is the prosecution damaging his credibility?

The prosecution released the call for public relations purposes, it doesn't help them legally. They probably shouldn't have done it.

Testimony:

"He really doesn't like black people."

Goes to character. Perfectly legitimate tactic, unless you are defending Zimmerman. Common practice by DAs.

Let me ask you something:

If a thirty something black vigilante had an altercation with an unarmed 17 year old white boy, who he suspected of being a crankhead who was responsible for robberies in his neighborhood, and killed him, when it was completely not the case, and a white woman accused the black vigilante of serial sexual abuse over a decade because "He really doesn't like white people", would your tune be different?

211 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:23:05pm
212 freetoken  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:25:46pm

Because the heathen government needs this:

Bible museum planned for Washington, D.C.

A large-scale Bible museum will open in Washington, D.C., within four years, say planners who have been touring the world with portions of their collection.

Cary Summers, chief operating officer of The Museum of the Bible, a nonprofit umbrella group for the collection of the billionaire Green family of Oklahoma, said they considered Washington, Dallas and New York but decided the nation’s capital was the best location. The final name of the museum and its exact location have not been disclosed but planners hope to confirm a location later this summer.

Research they commissioned found that the general population was more willing to travel to the nation's capital for a Bible-focused museum than the other two cities, Summers said.

“In reality, the population base within that eight-to-10 hour drive of D.C. represents half the U.S. or two-thirds and there’s a lot of Christians in that group,” he said Tuesday (July 10).

Summers, who has been a consultant on the Creation Museum’s planned life-size Noah’s Ark in Kentucky, said the Bible museum will charge admission. Although the museums of the Smithsonian Institution are free, he noted that the Newseum and the Spy Museum both charge admission and have been successful.


[...]

Steve Green, president of the Hobby Lobby arts and crafts chain and a Southern Baptist, said the museum will feature the history, contents and influence of the Bible but will leave it up to visitors to decide whether to believe the holy book.

“When we present the evidence, I think it’s going to be compelling for somebody to say, `Wow, this is a compelling book. I might want to consider what it has to say,’” he said.

The Green collection is rumored to have some very special early papyri that have as of yet not been disclosed publicly, but will be shortly. In addition it has bits and pieces of many developments in the translations of the Bible over the centuries. It's a valuable collection, put together by one of the wealthiest fundamentalist families in America.

213 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:26:09pm

I don't know...they look like they could be warm.

Image: 599696_368153173250813_745858763_n.jpg

214 Mattand  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:27:10pm

re: #212 freetoken

Because the heathen government needs this:

Bible museum planned for Washington, D.C.

The Green collection is rumored to have some very special early papyri that have as of yet not been disclosed publicly, but will be shortly. In addition it has bits and pieces of many developments in the translations of the Bible over the centuries. It's a valuable collection, put together by one of the wealthiest fundamentalist families in America.

As long as no public money is involved, have at it.

215 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:27:56pm

re: #210 austin_blue

Testimony:

"He really doesn't like black people."

Goes to character. Perfectly legitimate tactic, unless you are defending Zimmerman. Common practice by DAs.

Let me ask you something:

If a thirty something black vigilante had an altercation with an unarmed 17 year old white boy, who he suspected of being a crankhead who was responsible for robberies in his neighborhood, and killed him, when it was completely not the case, and a white woman accused the black vigilante of serial sexual abuse over a decade because "He really doesn't like white people", would your tune be different?

Yes, yes, I know. An awkward run-on sentence. Bygones. I was a little angry at KT's la-di-da attitude.

216 darthstar  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:28:44pm

Tom Russell - Who's gonna build your wall?


217 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:29:30pm

re: #212 freetoken

Because the heathen government needs this:

Bible museum planned for Washington, D.C.

The Green collection is rumored to have some very special early papyri that have as of yet not been disclosed publicly, but will be shortly. In addition it has bits and pieces of many developments in the translations of the Bible over the centuries. It's a valuable collection, put together by one of the wealthiest fundamentalist families in America.

My stars and garters! Which fucking bible?!?!

218 abolitionist  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:32:02pm

re: #214 Mattand

As long as no public money is involved, have at it.

Hard to imagine such a project getting anywhere in Washington DC without any power of eminent domain. Just saying.

219 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:33:30pm

re: #217 austin_blue

My stars and garters! Which fucking bible?!?!

A museum on the development and transformation of the textual tradition that forms "The Bible" in it's various manifestations would actually be very interesting. But everything hinges on how the material is presented...I could equally see the whole thing being very narrow and all about the "infallible revealed knowledge."

220 Mattand  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:35:42pm

re: #218 abolitionist

Hard to imagine such a project getting anywhere in Washington DC without any power of eminent domain. Just saying.

True. I just don't want to see any tax dollars or tax breaks going to this thing.

I wonder what would happen if I set up an atheist themed stall outside of its doors?

221 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:38:16pm

re: #219 The Ghost of a Flea

A museum on the development and transformation of the textual tradition that forms "The Bible" in it's various manifestations would actually be very interesting. But everything hinges on how the material is presented...I could equally see the whole thing being very narrow and all about the "infallible revealed knowledge."

Ding ding ding!

My thoughts exactly. Will the Apocrypha be included? How about the multiple voices in the OT? And who were the Nephilim?

Enquiring minds, &c.

222 austin_blue  Tue, Jul 17, 2012 6:39:17pm

re: #220 Mattand

True. I just don't want to see any tax dollars or tax breaks going to this thing.

I wonder what would happen if I set up an atheist themed stall outside of its doors?

You would be shot dead by the righteous, silly.


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