New Mexico Gets Bain’d: Romney Took $2.5M in Tax Dollars and 1,000 Jobs From New Mexicans in 2000s

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Mitt Romney’s Bain Capital duped New Mexico more than a decade ago when it set up a Silver City call center, promising more than 1,000 local jobs, only to have it close just two and half years later in a wave of outsourcing, laying off almost 800 middle-class workers and taking New Mexico taxpayers for more than $2.5 million in the process.

Before Bain Capital purchased a majority stake in the company in 1999, Stream International employed seven times more American workers, just over 3,000, than foreign. By the time Romney’s Bain sold its interest in the company in 2001, they had constricted Stream’s domestic investment while expanding operations in at least nine foreign countries.

Under Romney, Bain Capital took “free stuff” from our governments including free rent and free job training, all funded by New Mexico taxpayers. When the free training dried up, Bain packed up and left town taking at least $1.4 million in New Mexico taxpayer dollars and leaving behind a company and a community ideally set to be outsourced to no less than four foreign companies.

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In Silver City, Bain had created almost a thousand American jobs just to siphon the profits from that work to build oversees facilities where their jobs would go to die.

Even before the company had hired its full contingent of new jobs, the company had positioned the Silver City facility to be outsourced to one of the many new foreign call centers Bain and Stream had built.

In October 2001, with oversees call centers profitable, Bain promptly took its money, including the millions provided by New Mexico taxpayers, and ran.

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In New Mexico, $2.5 million is a lot of money, and 1,000 is a lot of jobs.

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524 comments

1 researchok  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 3:37:39pm

All Romney had to do was say, 'Yes, I've made my share of mistakes but thankfully, I've learned from them'.

That more than anything would have connected him with most Americans. We all know what it is like to fail, get up, and try again, acknowledging our mistakes.

Romney's weakest characteristic isn't his business acumen, it his hubris.

Obama could teach him a thing or two about that.

2 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:56:06pm

Bain sounds like the guy who pulls the chair out for you then yoinks it away when you try to sit.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:56:07pm

re: #1 researchok

He could say that, but he'd be doing it so much he wouldn't be able to say anything else.

4 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:58:43pm

Bain is becoming the type for contemporary American "capitalism" - privatize the profits, socialize the costs.

5 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:59:11pm

re: #4 freetoken

Bain is becoming the type for contemporary American "capitalism" - privatize the profits, socialize the costs.

Pioneers!

6 researchok  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:59:37pm

re: #4 freetoken

There was a time that would have been an inside joke.

Not anymore.

7 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:59:40pm

Money, other than liquid helium at near absolute zero, is the only substance in the universe that flows up hill.

8 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 6:59:42pm

re: #4 freetoken

Bain is becoming the type for contemporary American "capitalism" - privatize the profits, socialize the costs.

That was my thought as well, it's the poster child for everything people have come to hate about US corporations in the past 30 years.

9 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:00:08pm
In New Mexico, $2.5 million is a lot of money, and 1,000 is a lot of jobs.

Especially in Silver City. Where would all of the laid-off go to find new work?

10 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:01:29pm

re: #9 jaunte

Especially in Silver City. Where would all of the laid-off go to find new work?

The hated Government.

11 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:02:20pm

re: #10 Stanley Sea

The hated Government.

Government has never created one single solitary job.

So I guess what you meant to say was that they enlisted?

12 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:02:34pm

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

13 erik_t  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:03:50pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

His company bought it before even his retroactive severance. The Buck Stops Here, as every pre-Romney President might have said.

14 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:03:59pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Bain is the business he set up and started along its course. He uses it as an example of how he would do a better job of managing the US economy.

15 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:04:01pm

If Romney is, as he claims, one of the "Job Creators" and has made hundreds of millions by doing so; how many jobs has he created in the past 4 years?

If none, why not?

16 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:04:04pm

re: #11 Mocking Jay

Government has never created one single solitary job.

So I guess what you meant to say was that they enlisted?

Or luckily got a job with the city landscaping division.

17 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:04:24pm

I was going to make a joke about some wingnut saying it's not Mitt Romney's fault because he wasn't "in charge" in 1999, but someone beat me to it.

Facepalm.

18 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:04:46pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

Before Bain Capital purchased a majority stake in the company in 1999...

He claims to have left in 99. These decisions aren't made overnight, so you can't possibly know that he had nothing to do with it.

19 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:05:20pm

re: #14 jaunte

Bain is the business he set up and started along its course. He uses it as an example of how he would do a better job of managing the US economy into a ditch.

Completed that sentence for ya.

20 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:05:20pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

hahaha, the date dodge. Not working. Romney is Bain, makes his wealth off of Bain. The buck stops at Romney.

21 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:06:01pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

hahaha, the date dodge. Not working. Romney is Bain, makes his wealth off of Bain. The buck stops at Romney.

Only when the news is good.

22 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:06:31pm

re: #19 darthstar

We all gotta move to Las Cruces, now.

23 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:06:39pm

Bain has elevated the "made in America" principle to a level it hasn't been in decades.

24 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:06:44pm

re: #14 jaunte

Bain is the business he set up and started along its course. He uses it as an example of how he would do a better job of managing the US economy.

Indeed, Bain is the company that Romney helped create and ran for several years. Are we supposed to believe it only became predatory and piratical after he left?

25 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:07:20pm

re: #21 darthstar

Only when the news is good.

And John Kerry was slippery? HA. Idiots.

26 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:07:37pm

Dell did the same thing here in Twin Falls. Set up a Tech Support Call Center, got the City to give them tax breaks and the local College to set up training courses and then outsourced their call center operations to India after about 5 years.

Romney /Bain isn't the only one who has pulled this crap.

27 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:08:13pm

re: #25 Stanley Sea

And John Kerry was slippery? HA. Idiots.

The level of derp in Romney defenses is mind boggling.

28 Batman  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:08:25pm

Maybe Romney should have stayed with Bain. I mean, the very moment he left it started doing all these seedy things.

29 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:08:41pm

re: #26 Bubblehead II

Dell did the same thing here in Twin Falls. Set up a Tech Support Call Center, got the City to give them tax breaks and the local College to set up training courses and then outsourced their call center operations to India after about 5 years.

Romney isn't the only one who has pulled this crap.

Romney/Dell 2012!
//

30 Achilles Tang  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:08:54pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

But I repeat my question, even if so is he not one of the self defined job creators and what has he done to create jobs the past years? Fund car elevators?

31 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:11:13pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

His company = his responsibility.

32 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:11:53pm

re: #30 Achilles Tang

But I repeat my question, even if so is he not one of the self defined job creators and what has he done to create jobs the past years? Fund car elevators?

If Mitt's story is to be believed, he's been a sponge for over a dozen years as he's done no work but just lived off interest and dividends, squeaking by on 42 million or so dollars a year.

33 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:12:16pm

re: #29 darthstar

Romney/Dell 2012!
//

Well, at least at a minimum, Dell might be able to do something about the Romneybots hardware/software conflicts. Then again, probably not.

34 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:13:13pm

And the thing is, "I was the one in charge" is rather a piss-poor excuse if you're the guy who created the business. If it's engaging in activities you don't agree with, what's to stop you from voicing that opinion? If Romney doesn't agree with the outsourcing that Bain engaged in, the exploitation of local governments, and other practices that public has a negative view of, why does he just throw up the "I'm not running the show" excuse?

35 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:13:29pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

hahaha, the date dodge. Not working. Romney is Bain, makes his wealth off of Bain. The buck stops at Romney.

He even said so himself. Until the shit hit the fan. Basically Romney is now saying, "hey I wasn't the CEO of Bain" during such and such a date in an almost defensive styled manner. But he modifies that with, "but it's still a terrific company." He's trying to have it both ways and it's rather transparent. He's the archetypical politician. I'm surprised that he's only been a one term governor all his life.

36 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:13:55pm

re: #9 jaunte

I

Especially in Silver City. Where would all of the laid-off go to find new work?

The people at Bain (including Mitt, its erstwhile CEO/president/CotB/sole stockholder at the time) didn't give a damn about the people they put out of work, because it was wasn't personal, it was just business, see?

A very profitable business...

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

Mitt was still legally in control of Bain (per the SEC filings) and profited mightily off of the company at the time, so spare me the "no active role" stuff.

37 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:14:30pm

re: #35 Gus

He even said so himself. Until the shit hit the fan. Basically Romney is now saying, "hey I wasn't the CEO of Bain" during such and such a date in an almost defensive styled manner. But he modifies that with, "but it's still a terrific company." He's trying to have it both ways and it's rather transparent. He's the archetypical politician. I'm surprised that he's only been a one term governor all his life.

The difference is that he's really bad at it.

38 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:14:36pm

re: #32 darthstar

If Mitt's story is to be believed, he's been a sponge for over a dozen years as he's done no work but just lived off interest and dividends, squeaking by on 42 million or so dollars a year.

Obama needs to do an ad on the 77K write off of Rafalca. (the horse)

39 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:14:48pm

re: #35 Gus

He even said so himself. Until the shit hit the fan. Basically Romney is now saying, "hey I wasn't the CEO of Bain" during such and such a date in an almost defensive styled manner. But he modifies that with, "but it's still a terrific company." He's trying to have it both ways and it's rather transparent. He's the archetypical politician. I'm surprised that he's only been a one term governor all his life.

I was too busy counting my money to pay attention to the evil things I was signing my name to.

40 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:15:16pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

The difference is that he's really bad at it.

That never stopped Americans though but maybe so. We'll find out soon enough.

41 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:15:28pm

re: #34 Targetpractice

And the thing is, "I was the one in charge" is rather a piss-poor excuse if you're the guy who created the business. If it's engaging in activities you don't agree with, what's to stop you from voicing that opinion? If Romney doesn't agree with the outsourcing that Bain engaged in, the exploitation of local governments, and other practices that public has a negative view of, why does he just throw up the "I'm not running the show" excuse?

- He agreed with it
- Other companies did it too
- It was legal
- He doesn't want to have to take the political hit for it

42 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:15:41pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Obama needs to do an ad on the 77K write off of Rafalca. (the horse)

One can write only so many ads...that one needs to wait its turn as Mitt keeps offering more ad material every time he surfaces.

43 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:15:52pm

re: #29 darthstar

Romney/DellWatson 2012!
//

Fixed that for you, with leaders like those there's no way our nation could end up in jeopardy!

44 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:16:11pm

re: #39 darthstar

Free fucking market America! live it and die with it!

45 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:16:30pm

Why Mitt Romney has a cement pond in his plantation and when I wins the lottery I wants to have one too just like him.

46 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:17:33pm

re: #43 jamesfirecat

Fixed that for you, with leaders like those there's no way our nation could end up in jeopardy!

Romney's vacuum tubes are clogged, apparently.

47 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:18:06pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

Obama needs to do an ad on the 77K write off of Rafalca. (the horse)

And then the Republicans would say he was attacking people with MS.

48 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:19:12pm

Operation "Piss Off Mitt" Seems to be Working

"...If Coppins is right, Romney is under the peculiar impression that Obama's attacks on his business background are wildly ruthless and out of bounds. This is odd since Romney has been attacked for his business background repeatedly in the past. If it seems more intense this time, it's only because this kind of thing is always more intense in a presidential race.

Obama is unquestionably running a tough campaign, but if Romney is losing his cool over questions about his taxes and his stewardship of Bain Capital, he's just showing he's not ready for the big leagues."

49 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:19:37pm

OT: George Zimmerman knows who his supporters are. His first TV interview will be with Hannity, who I'm sure will try to work in as much race-baiting garbage as possible. Moreover, the interview will likely allow Zim to cash in further with internet contributions from right wing viewers for his legal defense, living expenses, ammo, whatever.

A stupid, lying reckless excuse for a human will his TV career where he belongs--Fox News.

50 bluecheese  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:20:54pm

Frum brought up a good point today.

White working class voters that don't have a college education funk HATE outsourcing. It's an issue that they care about. And it's the Republican base.

this stuff is fucking brutal:

51 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:22:20pm

Newt on Palin:

She motivates and arouses an entire base.

Oh my starbursts and garters!

52 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:22:29pm
53 Batman  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:24:54pm

re: #51 Mocking Jay

Newt on Palin:

Oh my starbursts and garters!

So she's a cheerleader. Makes sense.

54 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:25:26pm

From "The Truth About Pitt-Bulls" fb page.
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55 dragonath  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:26:20pm

re: #46 darthstar

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56 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:26:21pm

Awesome Pages today, folks... you kept beating me to the topics I wanted to post.

57 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:26:38pm

Please pardon this interruption.
(Bubblehead II, responded to you downstairs.)
Y'all may return to your current... umm, open thread?

58 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:27:49pm

re: #47 jamesfirecat

And then the Republicans would say he was attacking people with MS.

omg, yes they would. Ann doesn't actually ride Rafalca in the Olympics does she? She rides one of their other's I'm assuming.

59 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:30:43pm
60 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:30:44pm

re: #58 Stanley Sea

omg, yes they would. Ann doesn't actually ride Rafalca in the Olympics does she? She rides one of their other's I'm assuming.

Ann pays people to ride for her. The horse qualified for the olympics. A professional rider will ride it.

61 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:30:52pm

Night Lizards. Time to cook dinner.

Grilled boneless chicken breasts.
Green beens with bacon bits and shrooms.
Fried Rice.

Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you

62 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:31:22pm

re: #59 jaunte

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holy shit that's official...

63 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:31:30pm

re: #61 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. Time to cook dinner.

Grilled boneless chicken breasts.
Green beens with bacon bits and shrooms.
Fried Rice.

Sleep well and may the Deity of your choice smile down upon you

I grilled some lamb loin chops tonight...the dogs loved me for it because I shared.

64 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:32:17pm

re: #59 jaunte

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I must say, I've never seen a Democratic campaign be this much of a dick, and I'm loving it.

65 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:32:28pm

re: #59 jaunte

These types of attacks won't do anything to peel off the diehard partisans of the GOP or the (few) personal fans of Mitt Romney. However, I do think that they chip away at the shrinking pool of "undecided".

66 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:32:59pm

re: #56 Charles Johnson

Awesome Pages today, folks... you kept beating me to the topics I wanted to post.

You are one. We are legion.

Suck that fever swap mosquitoes.

67 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:33:50pm

So I see Zimmerman blamed god for Trayvon's death.

68 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:33:56pm

re: #65 freetoken

It's a graphic comparison that would make someone not paying much attention to politics begin to wonder about the discrepancy.

69 kirkspencer  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:34:15pm

re: #59 jaunte

According to the Huffpo story, that chart's wrong. They say Romney's 2010 form is incomplete - he didn't include the FBAR.

(It's Huffpo, add salt to taste.)

70 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:34:23pm

re: #64 Mocking Jay

I must say, I've never seen a Democratic campaign be this much of a dick, and I'm loving it.

I don't see it that way at all. Rather, it just looks like good old fashioned group identification politics. The Obama campaign knows that most Americans can't truly identify with the lifestyle of Mitt Romney, and vice versa. So all Obama has to do is to keep highlighting the differences.

71 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:35:41pm

re: #70 freetoken

I don't see it that way at all. Rather, it just looks like good old fashioned group identification politics. The Obama campaign knows that most Americans can't truly identify with the lifestyle of Mitt Romney, and vice versa. So all Obama has to do is to keep highlighting the differences.

I'm a dick. I know dicks. This is a dickish way to make a point. That's all I mean by that.

And try not to read too much into the "I know dicks" part.

72 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:35:49pm

re: #69 kirkspencer

According to the Huffpo story, that chart's wrong. They say Romney's 2010 form is incomplete - he didn't include the FBAR.

(It's Huffpo, add salt to taste.)

But it's true...Romney didn't release all his 2010 forms...nor will he.

73 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:35:54pm

re: #69 kirkspencer

Report of Foreign Bank and Financial Accounts, is required if you have $10,000 or more held in a foreign account at any time during the year.[Link: taxes.about.com...]

Who among us, my friends, hasn't forgotten about the ol' FBAR.

74 JamesWI  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:36:04pm

Zimmerman says he was not pursuing Trayvon Martin

According to Zimmerman, when he told the 911 dispatcher that he was "following" Martin, he really only meant that he was just "keeping an eye on him"......And apparently, Martin was right next to the car when Zimmerman got out, and punched him in the nose almost immediately, with no provocation.

Yeah. That's believable.

75 blueraven  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:36:22pm

re: #67 Mocking Jay

He doesn't regret anything he did that night.
Really?

76 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:36:47pm

re: #73 jaunte

Who among us, my friends, hasn't forgotten about the ol' FBAR.

I thought they meant 10,000 millions. Honest mistake.///

77 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:37:27pm

re: #73 jaunte

Who among us, my friends, hasn't forgotten about the ol' FBAR.

They even tell you what it means in Saving Private Ryan.

Oh wait, that was FUBAR.

Well Mitt's working on that one too.

78 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:37:36pm

re: #75 blueraven

He doesn't regret anything he did that night.
Really?

He probably regrets dialing 9-1-1 and staying on the phone.

79 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:38:05pm

re: #75 blueraven

He doesn't regret anything he did that night.
Really?

Said it was all part o' God's plan...

God was gunning for Trayvon Martin that cold February night.

80 blueraven  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:38:44pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Said it was all part o' God's plan...

God was gunning for Trayvon Martin that cold February night.

I dont think this interview helped him much.

81 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:39:14pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Said it was all part o' God's plan...

God was gunning for Trayvon Martin that cold February night.

He actually said it was God's plan?

82 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:39:21pm

re: #79 Mocking Jay

Said it was all part o' God's plan...

God was gunning for Trayvon Martin that cold February night.

His smite button was on the blink, so he used Zimmerman to finish the job.

83 andres  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:39:40pm

re: #12 Dark_Falcon

It is not fair to blame Mitt Romney for the matter of this call center, as the deal to open the center was executed more than a year after he had ceased having an active role in managing Bain Capital.

Yes and no. Yes, it's unfair to lump what happened after he left.

OTOH, company course doesn't change overnight. For example, at the very least, the next few rounds of Microsoft software updates had some Bill Gates' input after he retired. There will be at least a couple more iDevices that Steve Jobs had some kind of input into. So there's might have some input from Romney in this transaction.

If Bain turned into this predatory company after such a short time Romney left, it doesn't speak well of his ability to choose personnel.

84 blueraven  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:39:42pm

re: #81 Gus

He actually said it was God's plan?

Yep

85 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:40:06pm

re: #81 Gus

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

86 JamesWI  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:40:09pm

Maybe I'm misremembering here....but wasn't it Zimmerman who told the story about how he got out of the car and walked a ways away from it, looking for Trayvon after he lost sight of him? And how it was on his walk back to the car that Trayvon "attacked" him?

And now, he's saying that Martin was right there when he got out of the car.

87 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:40:19pm

re: #80 blueraven

I dont think this interview helped him much.

He made Fox viewers bank. I want to see the new numbers to his "fund"

Seriously, a guy making money, huge money from killing a black kid. Obscene.

88 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:40:26pm

re: #81 Gus

He actually said it was God's plan?

God only tells people to run for political office. It's usually the dog that tells people to go out and kill.

89 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:40:30pm

re: #85 Mocking Jay

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Oh brother.

90 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:40:38pm

re: #81 Gus

He actually said it was God's plan?

yea

91 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:41:23pm

romney in big trouble. 70-20.

[Link: www.latinodecisions.com...]

92 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:42:24pm
93 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:42:29pm

If God had a plan it would have involved Trayvon Martin and George Zimmerman being alive and well and maybe even friends. That's what "a God" would freaking do. Not allow someone to be killed like this regardless of the reasoning.

94 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:42:43pm

re: #91 SpaceJesus

romney in big trouble. 70-20.

[Link: www.latinodecisions.com...]

Only until this ad featuring Craig Romney speaking Spanish starts going viral!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

95 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:43:08pm

re: #91 SpaceJesus

romney in big trouble. 70-20.

[Link: www.latinodecisions.com...]

Oh ye of little faith... don't you realize, only real Americans will be allowed to the polls this fall.

96 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:43:10pm

re: #92 jaunte

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Their God must be an asshole.

97 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:43:30pm

re: #84 blueraven

Yep

PIG FUCKING BASTARD SON OF A BITCH!

98 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:43:45pm

como se dice, "the GOP is completely fucked in 10 years"?

99 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:43:48pm

re: #96 Gus

Their God must be an asshole.

Their God is their excuse. Only an excuse.

100 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:44:08pm

re: #95 freetoken

Oh ye of little faith... don't you realize, only real Americans will be allowed to the polls this fall.

I laughed and then realized "oh yeah, he's right..."

101 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:44:21pm

re: #94 Mocking Jay

Only until this ad featuring Craig Romney speaking Spanish starts going viral!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Romney's campaign spent 10,000 dollars to air that ad...after the 70-22 numbers were announced, they upped it to 250,000 dollars in ad buys...yeah, I guess we gotta try to pay for some of those minority votes after all...

102 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:44:54pm

There it is:

103 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:45:34pm
104 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:46:11pm

Here's how you hit Romney on the horse prom deduction. If you look at the tax return you see that they wrote off the entire loss associated with "ROM Enterprises" totaling $77,731. Now, ostensibly, the reason horse prom is so important to Anne Romney is that she credits dressage with her near total recovery from MS symptoms.

However this goes a long way towards showing how wealth makes tax deductions available for her and Mitt that aren't available for most people. Most people with MS who want to write off their physical therapy expenses on their taxes must first take 7.5% of their adjusted gross income away from these expenses before they become tax deductible.

You can deduct any medical expenses that surpass 7.5 percent of your adjusted gross income, according to Bankrate, the financial resource website. For example, you calculate that 7.5 percent of your adjusted gross income is $5,000 and your medical expenses, including therapy, are $7,000. Your deduction will then be $2,000. Look at the standard deduction and compare it to your entire itemized deduction total. It the standard deduction amount is higher, use it for your taxes; you will not have to worry about a therapy medical expense deduction.

If the Romney's had classified horse prom as a medical expense, (ignoring the fact that it doesn't qualify under the licensed professional requirement) they'd have had to exceed $1.6275 Million in costs before being able to deduct anything. However by making the activity a "business" expense they can write off the entire loss.

105 blueraven  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:47:30pm

re: #102 Gus

There it is:

[Embedded content]

Idiots

106 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:48:01pm

re: #102 Gus

There it is:

[Embedded content]

Yeah, I'll go ahead and say it: Ann Romney does not deserve special consideration. She's been on the campaign trail, she's stumped for her hubby, she's given interviews with the media in his favor, she's fair game.

107 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:48:08pm

re: #69 kirkspencer

According to the Huffpo story, that chart's wrong. They say Romney's 2010 form is incomplete - he didn't include the FBAR.

(It's Huffpo, add salt to taste.)

He needs to make it FUBAR?

108 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:48:29pm

re: #94 Mocking Jay

Only until this ad featuring Craig Romney speaking Spanish starts going viral!

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Hehe... I dare the Romney campaign to play that commercial at the next meeting of their local JBS chapter.

109 andres  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:48:58pm

re: #98 SpaceJesus

como se dice, "the GOP is completely fucked in 10 years"?

Grammatically, it doesn't make sense the literal translation. Here are my takes:

"El GOP estara jod***o por los proximos 10 años."

"El GOP estara jod***o en 10 años."

110 blueraven  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:49:24pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

Yeah, I'll go ahead and say it: Ann Romney does not deserve special consideration. She's been on the campaign trail, she's stumped for her hubby, she's given interviews with the media in his favor, she's fair game.

Doesn't matter...family should not be attacked. Especially anything to do with her illness.

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:49:54pm

re: #102 Gus

There it is:

[Embedded content]

Was it Rafalca in the ad? How does that horse treat her MS? OSMOSIS? The joy of watching? GET REAL.

112 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:50:09pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

Yeah, I'll go ahead and say it: Ann Romney does not deserve special consideration. She's been on the campaign trail, she's stumped for her hubby, she's given interviews with the media in his favor, she's fair game.

Barack Obama disagrees with you.

I don't, but I also think he's smarter than I.

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:51:03pm

re: #112 Mocking Jay

Barack Obama disagrees with you.

I don't, but I also think he's smarter than I.

He's a better man than I, and he may end up paying for it come November.

114 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:51:33pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

The way Michelle Obama and the girls have been disrespected by the right wingers...
F**k Ann Romney and her horse.

115 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:51:50pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Was it Rafalca in the ad? How does that horse treat her MS? OSMOSIS? The joy of watching? GET REAL.

Well, riding a horse is exercise.

Listen, if Obama needs the horse that bad then he's lost already.

116 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:51:53pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

Was it Rafalca in the ad? How does that horse treat her MS? OSMOSIS? The joy of watching? GET REAL.

Probably as physical therapy.

117 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:52:20pm

I need a Bugatti Veyron to treat my mid-life crisis.

//

118 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:52:46pm

re: #110 blueraven

Doesn't matter...family should not be attacked. Especially anything to do with her illness.

Nobody's attacking her illness. She credits the horse with curing her MS. That doesn't make it a medical or scientific fact. It also doesn't excuse the 77K deduction. Additionally, she said, "The black president is trying to kill my husband." That statement makes her fair game as she's blowing a dog whistle with all the class of your garden variety bigot.

119 SpaceJesus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:52:57pm

re: #95 freetoken

indeed. the whole gop platform is all about disenfranchising as many people as possible.

how can somebody say they support the gop and then look themselves in the mirror?

buck? rwmofo?

120 JamesWI  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:53:29pm

re: #116 Gus

Probably as physical therapy.

I believe it really is something as simple as it makes her happy. It's essentially a really expensive anti-depressant.

There are no actual medical benefits for MS from riding a horse. Bouncing up and down doesn't make your brain lesions shrink.

121 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:54:05pm

re: #117 Gus

Vrooooom
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

122 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:55:02pm

re: #118 darthstar

Nobody's attacking her illness. She credits the horse with curing her MS. That doesn't make it a medical or scientific fact. It also doesn't excuse the 77K deduction. Additionally, she said, "The black president is trying to kill my husband." That statement makes her fair game as she's blowing a dog whistle with all the class of your garden variety bigot.

It doesn't matter. Optics are very important. And Obama is very lucky indeed that Romney has never learned that lesson.

123 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:55:40pm

Thinking of becoming a competitive pooper so I can write off a bathroom remodel.

124 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:55:58pm

re: #122 Mocking Jay

It doesn't matter. Optics are very important. And Obama is very lucky indeed that Romney has never learned that lesson.

Yeah. Best forget about it.

125 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:56:29pm

My personal rule of thumb is family is off-limits until they actively take part in the campaign, whether it be as simple as a TV interview or as involved as a stump speech. Once that happens, your neutrality has ended.

126 blueraven  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:56:51pm

re: #118 darthstar

Nobody's attacking her illness. She credits the horse with curing her MS. That doesn't make it a medical or scientific fact. It also doesn't excuse the 77K deduction. Additionally, she said, "The black president is trying to kill my husband." That statement makes her fair game as she's blowing a dog whistle with all the class of your garden variety bigot.

The president says family is out of bounds. The DNC should respect that.
Who do you think is going to be attacked for going after Anne Romney. She will be a martyr. Remember the Hilary Rosen gaffe? shitstorm...

Before it was over she was a top Obama adviser.

127 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:57:00pm

re: #122 Mocking Jay

It doesn't matter. Optics are very important. And Obama is very lucky indeed that Romney has never learned that lesson.

Romney has money, but not class. You can inherit money, obviously, but my guess is Mitt still has daddy issues and is rebelling against his long-dead father by going against everything he stood for.

128 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:57:47pm

re: #123 goddamnedfrank

Thinking of becoming a competitive pooper so I can write off a bathroom remodel.

I set a new indoor record recently... /tmi

129 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:58:11pm

re: #106 Targetpractice

Yeah, I'll go ahead and say it: Ann Romney does not deserve special consideration. She's been on the campaign trail, she's stumped for her hubby, she's given interviews with the media in his favor, she's fair game.

She's predicted the VP decision. She's right there.

Afterwards we'll see her on some reality tv show, just like Todd.

130 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:58:18pm

re: #128 darthstar

I set a new indoor record recently... /tmi

Pics or it didn't happen!

131 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 7:59:46pm

re: #128 darthstar

I set a new indoor record recently... /tmi

How many Courics?

132 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:02:43pm

re: #116 Gus

Probably as physical therapy.

But this is the fine point. The horse that they wrote off 77K of losses on, she doesn't ride! It's their Olympic horse, their joy, pride, and bragging right horse.

Nothing at all to do with her MS. The horse she rides for therapy is probably fantastic (and written off somehow) but not that horse.

So disingenuous to say that the Olympic horse helps Ann Romney with her MS.

133 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:03:58pm

re: #132 Stanley Sea

So disingenuous to say that the Olympic horse helps Ann Romney with her MS.

Well, it helps when she drinks gin and tonics and watches someone else ride it.

134 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:04:42pm
135 MPH  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:04:45pm

72% of Bain Capital's political donations for the 2012 presidential race have gone to Obama. The attacks on the capital markets are a big mistake for the Dems. Bain's investment portfolio was and still remains incredible.

$2.5mm is enough to hire 25 to 50 people, btw -- for one year.

136 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:07:44pm

Stewart's covering LIBOR. I did not know two of the bankers' names were "Rich Ricci" and "Mr. Diamond."

137 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:10:59pm

re: #136 Mocking Jay

"Sixteen bespoke-suited turd-monkeys in London."

138 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:11:48pm

re: #126 blueraven

The president says family is out of bounds. The DNC should respect that.
Who do you think is going to be attacked for going after Anne Romney. She will be a martyr. Remember the Hilary Rosen gaffe? shitstorm...

Before it was over she was a top Obama adviser.

Agreed. Is it still OK to say "...and the horse he danced in on"?

139 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:12:06pm
140 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:12:23pm

re: #137 jaunte

"Sixteen bespoke-suited turd-monkeys in London."

Then there's HSBC, which is even worse.

141 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:13:51pm

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

142 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:14:17pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

:/

143 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:14:50pm

The highest low on record - 107

[Link: grist.org...]

144 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:14:50pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

Penguin says "meh".

145 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:15:14pm

re: #135 MPH

72% of Bain Capital's political donations for the 2012 presidential race have gone to Obama. The attacks on the capital markets are a big mistake for the Dems. Bain's investment portfolio was and still remains incredible.

$2.5mm is enough to hire 25 to 50 people, btw -- for one year.

Where's that 72 percent from? This one:

Plug the words “Bain Capital” into an OpenSecrets.org search and you learn that while Bain people have lovingly contributed to their former CEO’s presidential campaign, almost 3/4 of their contributions to other candidates, 72% to be precise, have gone to Democrats. That’s a higher percentage to Dems than the AFL-CIO!

Or this one?

Between his campaign committee and a monster super PAC supporting his candidacy, Romney has benefited from about 72% percent of the near $33 million Wall Street has contributed through February.

146 MPH  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:15:17pm

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

147 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:15:24pm

re: #143 darthstar

The highest low on record - 107

[Link: grist.org...]

Chilly.

148 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:15:27pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

Compatibility matrix for my QA team just went up considerably.

149 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:15:27pm

The Astonishing Bigotry and Paranoia of Russell Pearce

“The United States faces the greatest internal threat to its existence since the Civil War. It faces disintegration of its culture; of its language; of its cohesiveness as a nation of free people. It faces massive infusion of unrelenting poverty; of crime; of diseases; of civil violence; of corruption at all levels; and worst of all, the United States faces balkanization that will destroy the fabric of its ability to function as a peaceful nation.”

“One look at Los Angles with its Mexican-American mayor shows you [former Mexican President] Vicente Fox’s general Varigossa [the correct spelling of the Los Angeles mayor’s name is Antonio Villaraigosa] commanding an American city.”

“Can we maintain our social fabric as a nation with Spanish fighting English for dominance? It’s like injecting yourself with cancer cells to see what will happen. It’s like importing leper colonies and hope we don’t catch leprosy. It’s like importing thousands of Islamic jihadists and hope they adapt to the American Dream.”

“Tough, nasty illegals and their advocates grow in such numbers that law and order will not subdue them. They run us out of our cities and states. They conquer our language and our schools. They render havoc and chaos in our schools. I’m stunned at the speed of this invasion. I’m further stunned that most American don’t see it or deny it or ignore it. We are much like the Titanic as we inbreed millions of Mexico’s poor, the world’s poor and we watch our country sink.”

150 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:15:45pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

$39.99 for the upgrade from Windows 7? That's a pretty good price. I might just do that.

151 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:16:22pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

We heard.

:P

152 JamesWI  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:16:45pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Class of 2004......

153 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:17:09pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

Whoop-de-fucking-do. A tablet OS on desktops.

154 ozbloke  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:17:17pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

Penguin says "meh".

Your penguin is much more polite than mine.

155 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:18:10pm

re: #153 b_sharp

Whoop-de-fucking-do. A tablet OS on desktops.

Yeah, that was my first thought as well. Even at $40, I still think I'm gonna have to pass.

156 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:18:14pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Yes, let's ignore what would've happened when the auto industry in America collapsed.
Yes siiree!

157 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:18:30pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Do you think Roe v. Wade should be overturned?

158 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:00pm

re: #146 MPH

Oh boy.

159 MPH  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:11pm

re: #145 Gus

On opensecrets, it was 72% to Dems as of a few days ago -- clearly, a lot of their employees there are upset and the donation shift is underway. I guess that is to be expected. I even spoke with a Bain employee a couple of months ago -- and he was rather embarrassed by it all, considering he was a liberal himself.

160 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:21pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Yeah, that was my first thought as well. Even at $40, I still think I'm gonna have to pass.

At least wait for Service Pack 2, Hotfix 3.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:23pm

re: #118 darthstar

Nobody's attacking her illness. She credits the horse with curing her MS. That doesn't make it a medical or scientific fact. It also doesn't excuse the 77K deduction. Additionally, she said, "The black president is trying to kill my husband." That statement makes her fair game as she's blowing a dog whistle with all the class of your garden variety bigot.

Attack her for what she said. Harping on about the horse is probably useless.

162 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:37pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

Yeah, that was my first thought as well. Even at $40, I still think I'm gonna have to pass.

I have 2 systems with Win 7, 2 with Android and 5 with Linux. That's a score of 7 to 2.

163 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:40pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

So which Mitt Romney do you agree with: The one that said "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt" or the one who took credit for the bailout by claiming it was his idea from the beginning?

164 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:19:41pm

re: #141 Targetpractice

OT:

For my fellow tech geeks who haven't heard:

Windows 8 Launches October 26, 2012

I think I'll keep running Freebsd 9.x./XFCE4 on my 10 year old laptop. I recently upgraded it to 1 gb but I doubt that's enough for the swap file for Windows 8...

165 MPH  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:20:07pm

re: #157 Gus

Do you think Roe v. Wade should be overturned?

Obviously not. Why, do you?

166 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:20:17pm

re: #149 Kragar

The Astonishing Bigotry and Paranoia of Russell Pearce

I dislike illegal immigration and want it ended, but to compare said illegal immigrants to cancer cells is the sort of rhetoric Adolf Hitler liked to use. It is utterly depraved and the mark of a hate-filled bigot. The voters of his district corrected a major mistake they had made when they recalled Pearce.

For his part, Russell Pearce can go fuck himself with a railroad spike.

167 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:20:21pm

re: #156 Varek Raith

Yes, let's ignore what would've happened when the auto industry in America collapsed.
Yes siiree!

We'd just buy our Geely HQ's from WalMart, on a 50 year payment plan.
[Link: www.askmen.com...]

168 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:20:23pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

Attack her for what she said. Harping on about the horse is probably useless.

The horse has nothing to do with it, unless it's Mitt's VP pick...which would probably be an improvement over his other choices.

169 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:20:43pm
170 ozbloke  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:20:58pm

re: #160 darthstar

At least wait for Service Pack 2, Hotfix 3.

That may take some time for the customers to do M$ R&D for them.

171 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:21:23pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

So he should have just let Detroit go bankrupt instead?

172 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:21:25pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

CLASS OF 2004 SIGHTING, HOOOOOOOO!!!

Scrambling aloft, Cap'n!

Shit, I thought these were extinct.

173 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:21:57pm

re: #159 MPH

On opensecrets, it was 72% to Dems as of a few days ago -- clearly, a lot of their employees there are upset and the donation shift is underway. I guess that is to be expected. I even spoke with a Bain employee a couple of months ago -- and he was rather embarrassed by it all, considering he was a liberal himself.

53 percent going to Republicans from Bain (current).

174 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:22:03pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

CLASS OF 2004 SIGHTING, HOOO!!!

Scrambling aloft, Cap'n!

Shit, I thought these were extinct.

Eh? What?

175 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:22:24pm

re: #174 Kragar

Eh? What?

Apparently we're an endangered species.

176 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:22:27pm

re: #174 Kragar

Eh? What?

Paleolithic lizard.

177 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:22:36pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

CLASS OF 2004 SIGHTING, HOOO!!!

Scrambling aloft, Cap'n!

Shit, I thought these were extinct.

Stand down! He's providing me with needed support. It's good not to be the only one in the room right-of-center.

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:22:43pm

re: #146 MPH

And so the sad little sleeper awoke and farted.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:22:46pm

re: #168 darthstar

The horse has nothing to do with it, unless it's Mitt's VP pick...which would probably be an improvement over his other choices.

What was it Claudius said about Caligula's horse being in the Senate? Something to the effect of, at least it didn't take bribes or have anyone killed.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:23:16pm

re: #174 Kragar

Eh? What?

Not you, the sudden pop-ups out of nowhere.

181 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:23:26pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

What was it Claudius said about Caligula's horse being in the Senate? Something to the effect of, at least it didn't take bribes or have anyone killed.

You give us way too much credit, madam.

182 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:23:29pm

re: #174 Kragar

Eh? What?

She said, 'man the skyhooks, there's a snuffleupagus afoot'.

183 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:23:48pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Dude, the collapse of Detroit would have had a ripple affect on their parts suppliers and ancillary profit centers (transporters, insurers, dealerships, &c). About two million jobs in total.

The destruction of "capital" was created with the tranches and the generation of specious "financial instruments" sold and resold by financial institutions.

Remember when the Cons said that the bailout and stimulus would create huge inflation in 2008 and 2009? See any? US short, medium, and long term bonds are selling at their lowest levels in the past 70 years.

You, sir, are an idiot. With all due respect.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:24:03pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Stand down! He's providing me with needed support. It's good not to be the only one in the room right-of-center.

Oh, OK...

185 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:24:04pm

re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist

CLASS OF 2004 SIGHTING, HOOO!!!

Scrambling aloft, Cap'n!

Shit, I thought these were extinct.

Life-cycle mystery. They emerge from their sleep every 4 years.

186 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:24:13pm

re: #180 SanFranciscoZionist

Not you, the sudden pop-ups out of nowhere.

Yah, Kragar should wear pants.

187 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:24:40pm

re: #185 Decatur Deb

Life-cycle mystery. They emerge from their sleep every 4 years.

Kinda like cicadas.

188 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:24:50pm

re: #168 darthstar

The horse has nothing to do with it, unless it's Mitt's VP pick...which would probably be an improvement over his other choices.

If Mitt were going to choose an animal Veep, he'd choose a cat. Smarter, quieter and able to quietly scout a location.

189 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:24:52pm

re: #186 b_sharp

Yah, Kragar should wear pants.

I'm at home, so I'll let it all hang out.

190 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:25:06pm

re: #179 SanFranciscoZionist

What was it Claudius said about Caligula's horse being in the Senate? Something to the effect of, at least it didn't take bribes or have anyone killed.

I miss Cato the Elder. The early model, not the kamikaze.

191 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:25:13pm

re: #170 ozbloke

That may take some time for the customers to do M$ R&D for them.

Six to nine months...it's not too long to wait. Most enterprise customers won't move to Win8 for at least a year.

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:25:29pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

I miss Cato the Elder. The early model, not the kamikaze.

Me too...

193 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:25:37pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

If Mitt were going to choose an animal Veep, he'd choose a cat. Smarter, quieter and able to quietly scout a location.

Plus we all know that the cat would be the brains out of the operation.

194 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:25:37pm

re: #168 darthstar

The horse has nothing to do with it, unless it's Mitt's VP pick...which would probably be an improvement over his other choices.

If Romney was gonna run with a horse for vp then this should be his equine of choice... he is an apple bucking genius after all.

195 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:25:41pm
196 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:26:04pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Umm. The GM bailout started with GWB and yes was increased by Obama to prevent it from failing. This was SOP for DC until the crazy Teabaggers came to town.

197 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:26:05pm

re: #189 Kragar

I'm at home, so I'll let it all hang out.

Keep the sudden popups to a bare minimum please.

198 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:26:18pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

If Mitt were going to choose an animal Veep, he'd choose a cat. Smarter, quieter and able to quietly scout a location.

Plus all the dogs know better than to get near him & a motor vehicle... :eek: !

199 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:26:22pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If Romney was gonna run with a horse for vp then this should be his equine of choice... he is an apple bucking genius after all.

Eeyup.

200 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:27:54pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

If Romney was gonna run with a horse for vp then this should be his equine of choice... he is an apple bucking genius after all.

Bromney.

201 ozbloke  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:28:02pm

re: #191 darthstar

Six to nine months...it's not too long to wait. Most enterprise customers won't move to Win8 for at least a year.

Well the smart ones won't.

202 jamesfirecat  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:28:18pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

If Mitt were going to choose an animal Veep, he'd choose a cat. Smarter, quieter and able to quietly scout a location.

Never happen, don't you know that cats are democrats?

203 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:28:19pm

re: #197 b_sharp

Keep the sudden popups to a bare minimum please.

204 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:30:28pm

re: #182 b_sharp

She said, 'man the skyhooks, there's a snuffleupagus afoot'.

In the Star wars universe, the wealthy of Coruscant use small private space stations called skyhooks as a getaway home option. I hear Varek has one, but his is also equipped with a reduced power superlaser.

205 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:31:41pm

So, the auto industry should've been allowed collapse?
I see no Republican willing to take responsibility for that.

206 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:31:59pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

In the Star wars universe, the wealthy of Coruscant use small private space stations called skyhooks as a getaway home option. I hear Varek has one, but his is also equipped with a reduced power superlaser.

Let's be honest, every vehicle Varek owns has a reduced power superlaser.

207 b_sharp  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:32:16pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

In the Star wars universe, the wealthy of Coruscant use small private space stations called skyhooks as a getaway home option. I hear Varek has one, but his is also equipped with a reduced power superlaser.

Daniel Dennett

208 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:32:24pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

So, the auto industry should've been allowed collapse?
I see no Republican willing to take responsibility for that.

Well, except for the Presumptive Nominee.

209 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:32:47pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

Let's be honest, every vehicle Varek owns has a reduced power superlaser.

Image: If%20you%20know%20what%20I%20mean..png

210 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:33:30pm

Damn...now I want to go camping.

Image: 545332_10151071089088322_546610878_n.jpg

211 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:34:30pm

re: #206 Targetpractice

Let's be honest, every vehicle Varek owns has a reduced power superlaser.

Not every one: His starfighter is too small to mount one, so it just has 4 heavy laser cannons, each offering 50% more more than the lasers on an X-Wing. Eat your heart out, Luke Skywalker.

His Death Star also does not have a reduced power superlaser: It has a full power superlaser. :D

212 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:34:45pm

re: #210 darthstar

Damn...now I want to go camping.

Image: 545332_10151071089088322_546610878_n.jpg

The camper for the alcoholic on the go.

213 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:34:50pm

re: #210 darthstar

Damn...now I want to go camping.

Image: 545332_10151071089088322_546610878_n.jpg

Man, that fucker is Killer Bee! Tailgate Party!

214 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:35:14pm

Romney endorser praises Obama.

215 JamesWI  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:36:18pm

re: #214 darthstar

Romney endorser praises Obama.

[Embedded content]

T-minus 12 hours until she is forced by the base to reiterate how much she hates him.

216 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:36:39pm

re: #210 darthstar

Damn...now I want to go camping.

Image: 545332_10151071089088322_546610878_n.jpg

Too much hard liquor and red wine. Needs some more chardonnay and champagne.

217 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:37:20pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Too much hard liquor and red wine. Needs some more chardonnay and champagne.

That's just so gay.

218 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:37:42pm

re: #216 Dark_Falcon

Too much hard liquor and red wine. Needs some more chardonnay and champagne.

NO.
COFFEE.
/I don't drink. :P

219 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:37:44pm

re: #217 austin_blue

That's just so gay.

Sshhh!

220 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:38:28pm

re: #214 darthstar

Romney endorser praises Obama.

[Embedded content]

I don't think any of Mitt's surrogates really get how this is supposed to work.

Except maybe Sununu. He knows the deal...

221 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:39:24pm

re: #210 darthstar

Damn...now I want to go camping.

Image: 545332_10151071089088322_546610878_n.jpg

Ok, gotta save that one. My wife loves to go camping. Me? I was still in the Army Reserve as a 11B NCO (that's Infantry for you civilians) when we married. I asked if I'd get a paycheck for going camping. Slept on the couch for a week that time... She likes these little campers for real. Might be worth another week on the couch to use that photo at the right time ;)

222 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:39:24pm

re: #218 Varek Raith

NO.
COFFEE.
/I don't drink. :P

I agree, no coffee.

223 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:39:40pm

re: #220 Mocking Jay

I don't think any of Mitt's surrogates really get how this is supposed to work.

Except maybe Sununu. He knows the deal...

Sununu is such a tool.

224 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:40:35pm

re: #217 austin_blue

That's just so gay.

Daughter takes collapsible stainless marshmallow forks--"Camping with Niles and Frasier".

225 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:40:39pm

Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he has not forgotten those whom he sent to war:


George W. Bush on his bike ride honoring veterans: "This is a way for me to say that not only do I respect them, but I love them"

On Thursday, "Piers Morgan Tonight" shared a rare and exclusive behind the scenes visit with former president George W. Bush.

Having returned to his home state of Texas since leaving office, Bush generally avoids the glare of the spotlight and the public eye. But he remains passionate about honoring and supporting America's veterans, through an event bearing his signature initial:

"The W100 is a hundred kilometer mountain bike ride to honor our vets who have been wounded in combat, to thank their families, and to thank the groups that have helped them recover from serious injury," explained the 43rd U.S. president.

As part of the W100, the one-time commander in chief rode alongside 20 servicemen and women, each of whom had been wounded in the global war on terror.

226 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:41:08pm

re: #220 Mocking Jay

I don't think any of Mitt's surrogates really get how this is supposed to work.

Except maybe Sununu. He knows the deal...

Can I borrow the jet?

//

227 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:41:27pm

re: #222 Kragar

I agree, no coffee.

...
Fanatic.

228 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:41:37pm

re: #223 darthstar

Sununu is such a tool.

Better not let WW see that.

//

229 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:41:53pm

re: #217 austin_blue

That's just so gay.

Why?

230 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:43:12pm

re: #226 Gus

Can I borrow the jet?

//

John Sununu goes for a hair cut.

/MST3K moment

231 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:43:34pm
232 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:43:52pm

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Do you understand the concept of ripple effects in an economy? Detroit, like the banks, was simply too big to fail without pushing us into a full-blown depression. Millions of jobs across the country depend on Detroit: parts manufacturers, car dealers, mechanics, etc.

Bailouts suck, but much of the money has been repaid. More importantly, bailouts are far superior to the alternative, which is an economy that simply collapses.

233 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:44:17pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he has not forgotten those whom he sent to war:


George W. Bush on his bike ride honoring veterans: "This is a way for me to say that not only do I respect them, but I love them"

Too bad his bullshit invasion in Iraq led to over 30,000 of those casualties. Get your leg blown off and show your respect and love, you insignificant little prick.

234 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:45:10pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Why?

Real men drink red wine (except for Merlot) and liquor, silly!

235 darthstar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:45:37pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Why?

Chardonnay and Champagne are kept inside in the closet.

236 ozbloke  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:45:41pm

re: #233 austin_blue

Too bad his bullshit invasion in Iraq led to over 30,000 of those casualties. Get your leg blown off and show your respect and love, you insignificant little prick.

I was wondering how much of the 60 miles he rode?
How much love does he have?

237 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:45:44pm

re: #223 darthstar

Sununu is such a tool.

Sununu is so G. HW Bush. Can"t believe he's still peeping in an election.

238 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:46:51pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

Say what you will about George W. Bush, but he has not forgotten those whom he sent to war:


George W. Bush on his bike ride honoring veterans: "This is a way for me to say that not only do I respect them, but I love them"

Nice that he does that. But, honestly, it's the least he could fucking do...and it's not like it involves too much sacrifice on his part. Hardly makes him seem heroic.

239 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:46:57pm

re: #231 Gus

His store, located between First Avenue and Avenue A, first takes city water heavy with chlorine, fluoride and compound metals and sends it through its towering 8-foot filter behind the counter.

Too bad they didn't include a diagram of the filter.

240 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:48:05pm

re: #234 austin_blue

Real men drink red wine (except for Merlot) and liquor, silly!

Real men drink anything the galleon was carrying.

241 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:48:46pm

re: #236 ozbloke

I was wondering how much of the 60 miles he rode?
How much love does he have?

The whole way. The Bush family has always been big believers in fitness and George W. Bush has always been physically active.

242 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:49:34pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

The whole way. The Bush family has always been big believers in fitness and George W. Bush has always been physically active.

Pity he didn't become a professional rider.

243 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:49:43pm

re: #238 palomino

Nice that he does that. But, honestly, it's the least he could fucking do...and it's not like it involves too much sacrifice on his part. Hardly makes him seem heroic.

Heroic, no. Honorable and decent, yes.

244 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:50:02pm

re: #239 jaunte

Too bad they didn't include a diagram of the filter.

It's basically filtered NYC water with a packet of vitamin supplements stirred in. Two dollars a glass.

I uh. Think it's weird. Water should be "free."

245 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:51:35pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Real men drink anything the galleon was carrying.

Even realer men will drink anything pillaged from the village!

//

246 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:51:47pm

re: #237 Stanley Sea

Sununu is so G. HW Bush. Can"t believe he's still peeping in an election.

Sununu's as ugly on the inside as he is on the out.

He picked up right where Palin left off in the 2008 campaign, trying to make Obama seem like the scary Other. Obama "needs to learn to be an American" is the dog whistle the base loves to hear. It's racial and religious bigotry wrapped up with a nice bow on it. And it's disgusting.

247 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:51:51pm

re: #231 Gus

New Water-Only Café Opens in East Village

Grrroan.

But does drinking water that goes through that filter protect your precious bodily fluids, or is the water still tainted by fluoride communism?

/And a tip of the hat to Stanley Kubrick.

248 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:52:06pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb

Real men drink anything the galleon was carrying.

Pea soup & grog!

249 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:52:49pm

re: #248 jaunte

Pea soup & grog!

Thank you for that, Capt. Sparrow.

250 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:53:39pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Heroic, no. Honorable and decent, yes.

Better late than never, I guess.

Just wish he'd had more of those qualities 10 years ago.

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:54:35pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

Heroic, no. Honorable and decent, yes.

Decent I can buy. I'll leave the rest to judges less prejudicial than I am...

252 ozbloke  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:54:46pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

The whole way. The Bush family has always been big believers in fitness and George W. Bush has always been physically active.

I didn't read that in that article.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:56:28pm

re: #252 ozbloke

I didn't read that in that article.

The man is somewhat infamously outdoorsy.

254 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:56:52pm

re: #252 ozbloke

I didn't read that in that article.

It isn't in there. But other articles about George W. Bush's activity have been written over the years, and before that such articles were written about his father. George H.W. Bush celebrated his 80th birthday with one last skydive.

255 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:56:59pm

re: #245 Gus

Even realer men will drink anything pillaged from the village!

//

Eli Wallach flashback

Image: eli-wallach.jpg

256 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:57:20pm

re: #251 William Barnett-Lewis

Decent I can buy. I'll leave the rest to judges less prejudicial than I am...

Fair enough, and honest as well. upding.

258 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:59:26pm

re: #225 Dark_Falcon

I will say a supportive thing about GWB. His huge AIDS fight initiative in Africa has helped support the quickly growing middle class on that continent.

259 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 8:59:27pm

re: #241 Dark_Falcon

The whole way. The Bush family has always been big believers in fitness and George W. Bush has always been physically active.

If you're attempting to rehabilitate Bush's image in the hope that his legacy will be a positive one, give it up--you're wasting your time.

The wars and economic collapse will insure that he's not ranked highly by presidential historians. You can't have a 25% approval rating for the last 3 years in office and magically become popular later on. And the neocon fantasy that Iraq will soon thrive and vindicate the Administration's war strategy becomes more laughable as each day passes.

260 Big Joe  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:00:15pm

re: #177 Dark_Falcon

Stand down! He's providing me with needed support. It's good not to be the only one in the room right-of-center.

Democrats are right-of-center

261 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:01:21pm

re: #260 Big Joe

Democrats are right-of-center

Only in the rest of the developed world.

262 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:01:52pm
263 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:03:02pm

I don't know. Last time I saw George W. talking was at the unveiling of the official White House portraits. He had me laughing and still has his own individual charm. Laura, a former Democrat, was also present and smiling as were President and Mrs. Obama.

264 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:05:27pm

re: #263 Gus

I don't know. Last time I saw George W. talking was at the unveiling of the official White House portraits. He had me laughing and still has his own individual charm. Laura, a former Democrat, was also present and smiling as were President and Mrs. Obama.

Oh, yeah, he can be funny and charming. So can a lot of other people who have no business working in the Oval Office.

265 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:05:50pm

re: #260 Big Joe

Democrats are right-of-center

As a democratic socialist, I dearly wish we had a left wing in America. But we have a center-right party, a right wing party and the only effective 3rd party movement is far right to the point of fascism (TEA anyone?). There are many times, of late, when I despair for the America my son will inherit.

266 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:06:21pm

re: #264 palomino

Oh, yeah, he can be funny and charming. So can a lot of other people who have no business working in the Oval Office.

I'm probably a little more old fashioned. ;)

267 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:06:24pm

Bush, like everyone else, should be praised when he does good and charitable things. I think he should spend the rest of his days in soup kitchens and in Africa, etc., 'cause dude has a lot of bad karma to work off.

268 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:06:57pm

There need to be some serious consequences for this shit.

JetBlue Pilot Hurt By Laser While Approaching JFK Airport From Syracuse; FBI Investigating

269 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:06:58pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Image: Tornoe-20120718-limbaughconspiracy.jpg

Darth Vader abuses wife, abandons children, uses ancient religion as excuse to enslave the known galaxy, named FRC Man of the Year

270 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:07:52pm

re: #262 Varek Raith

Image: Tornoe-20120718-limbaughconspiracy.jpg

Note!
I don't care for the pill 'joke' on the last panel.

271 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:08:21pm

re: #265 William Barnett-Lewis

As a democratic socialist, I dearly wish we had a left wing in America. But we have a center-right party, a right wing party and the only effective 3rd party movement is far right to the point of fascism (TEA anyone?). There are many times, of late, when I despair for the America my son will inherit.

We might be in a better situation than ever before. (We'll know more about that in November.)

272 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:08:35pm

re: #266 Gus

I'm probably a little more old fashioned. ;)

You seem pretty forward-thinking to me.

273 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:09:15pm

re: #270 Varek Raith

Note!
I don't care for the pill 'joke' on the last panel.

I guess the "oxy-corn" in the first panel is a no-go too?

274 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:10:00pm

re: #273 Mocking Jay

I guess the "oxy-corn" in the first panel is a no-go too?

Yes.
I just don't do drug jokes.

:P

275 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:10:10pm

re: #257 Mocking Jay

NASA Space Shuttle Enterprise aboard the USS Intrepid in pictures

The Enterprise has taken her final voyage.

276 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:10:32pm

re: #275 Targetpractice

The Enterprise has taken her final voyage.

Nope.
I plan on stealing it...

277 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:11:21pm

re: #272 palomino

You seem pretty forward-thinking to me.

I am. Maybe it's just my being in lounge mode right now.

..."Look there's George, let's go talk with him!"

278 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:11:44pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

Yes.
I just don't do drug jokes.

:P

Unless it's a pot joke.
Those are always funny.

279 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:12:11pm

re: #276 Varek Raith

Nope.
I plan on stealing it...

What's the matter Oceana NAS doesn't have anything interesting?

280 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:12:11pm

re: #276 Varek Raith

Nope.
I plan on stealing it...

And holding it ransom for...

*dramatic music* $1 million dollars?

//

281 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:12:12pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

Yes.
I just don't do drug jokes.

:P

282 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:12:44pm

re: #276 Varek Raith

Nope.
I plan on stealing it...

If it's up on blocks in NYC, the tires are gone.

283 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:13:08pm

re: #278 Varek Raith

Unless it's a pot joke.
Those are always funny.

It's always important to never talk about smoking pot even when one has been smoking pot 5 minutes ago.

//

284 Targetpractice  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:13:17pm

re: #279 Gus

What's the matter Oceana NAS doesn't have anything interesting?

Not really, no. Except for when the air show's in town.

285 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:14:07pm

re: #284 Targetpractice

Not really, no. Except for when the air show's in town.

Or crashing a jet...
/

286 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:14:45pm

Good night, all.

287 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:14:52pm
288 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:15:17pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

Or crashing a jet...
/

He did park it in the parking lot.

289 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:15:24pm

re: #274 Varek Raith

Yes.
I just don't do drug jokes.

:P

If he has a problem with pills, that's a medical issue. If he lies about drugs and backs the Drug-Prison Complex, that's a moral issue.

290 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:16:00pm

re: #271 Decatur Deb

We might be in a better situation than ever before. (We'll know more about that in November.)

Nah, I doubt it because what Left there is in America is busy doing their usual Puritopian thing and doing it's best to nader the election. Fucking idiots.

And, please God, save me from the Anarcho-syndicalists...

291 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:16:30pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

If he has a problem with pills, that's a medical issue. If he lies about drugs and backs the Drug-Prison Complex, that's a moral issue.

True, I just have my quirks about it is all.

292 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:16:33pm
293 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:17:02pm
294 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:19:01pm

Ugh, allergies.
Stupid trees.

295 palomino  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:19:25pm

re: #289 Decatur Deb

If he has a problem with pills, that's a medical issue. If he lies about drugs and backs the Drug-Prison Complex, that's a moral issue.

Just as we have more medically uninsured than the rest of the developed world, we have more non-violent drug offenders in our prisons than the rest of the developed world combined. It's an embarrassment, especially in a country that constantly proclaims its exceptionalism and superior human rights.

296 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:20:04pm

re: #295 palomino

Just as we have more medically uninsured than the rest of the developed world, we have more non-violent drug offenders in our prisons than the rest of the developed world combined. It's an embarrassment, especially in a country that constantly proclaims its exceptionalism and superior human rights.

Your avatar made me laugh.

297 Decatur Deb  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:21:47pm

re: #290 William Barnett-Lewis

Nah, I doubt it because what Left there is in America is busy doing their usual Puritopian thing and doing it's best to nader the election. Fucking idiots.

And, please God, save me from the Anarcho-syndicalists...

Needs moar IWW.

[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]

298 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:23:04pm

Rick Perry Is Just Trolling Now
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

"I'm all about transparency."
....
"Perry and his administration have withheld information in 100 public-records requests during his time in Austin, and on occasion failed to respond on time to other records requests as required by state law."

299 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:24:36pm

re: #298 jaunte

Rick Perry Is Just Trolling Now

Political class.

300 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:27:36pm

re: #299 Gus

Transparency, if you can get the FOIA acted on within seven days:

"...when I tried to follow Texas Gov. Rick Perry, I hit a dead-end: Apparently, Perry has blocked me from following his tweets:
...
I can still read his tweets if I go to his Twitter page—"The Iowa countryside is incredibly green," he observantly mused recently—but they don't show up in my feed. As far as transparency violations go, this is pretty small potatoes; it pales in comparison to deleting all of your official emails after seven days, which is the Perry administration's official policy.

[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

301 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:27:53pm

I had a couple of folks freaking out because I used the word "breaking" for the Drudge Report report from TP this morning. One of them Tweeted me 3 times in sequence. Yeesh. One guy was this God dude but I think he attracted that other one. Whatever.

302 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:28:41pm

re: #301 Gus

I had a couple of folks freaking out because I used the word "breaking" for the Drudge Report report from TP this morning. One of them Tweeted me 3 times in sequence. Yeesh. One guy was this God dude but I think he attracted that other one. Whatever.

Dave's not here man.

303 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:28:54pm

re: #300 jaunte

Transparency, if you can get the FOIA acted on within seven days:

[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

There needs to be a rule. Pretty simple. If you're in public office you can't delete anything nor destroy any servers, memory devices, etc.

304 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:29:09pm

Glad to see Maverick McCain back.

305 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:30:56pm

re: #304 Varek Raith

Glad to see Maverick McCain back.

306 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:35:02pm

re: #304 Varek Raith

Glad to see Maverick McCain back.

It's interesting at how fast he threw Romney under the bus. Not two months ago he was on the campaign trail with him.

307 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:37:23pm

re: #305 Varek Raith

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308 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:37:42pm

re: #300 jaunte

Well, usually RWingers think e-mails disappear when they hit the off button on the tv lookity-box.
Props to Rick for knowing e-mails leave a trail.//

309 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:39:23pm

re: #11 Mocking Jay

Government has never created one single solitary job.

Government manages the infrastructure and without that I'm not sure how any businesses would operate. True that a lot of people who describe themselves as capitalists seem to think that any Government involvement is bad, but those are the dim ones.

310 jaunte  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:40:29pm
311 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:41:29pm

re: #309 Mich-again

Government manages the infrastructure and without that I'm not sure how any businesses would operate. True that a lot of people who describe themselves as capitalists seem to think that any Government involvement is bad, but those are the dim ones.

They're the ones who worship, but have never actually bothered to _read_ Adam Smith...

312 dragonath  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:46:40pm

re: #311 William Barnett-Lewis

They're the ones who worship, but have never actually bothered to _read_ Adam Smith...

The same could be said for many religions!

313 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:48:04pm

When I listen to Mitt Romney defend the concealment of his tax returns, I hear some of the classic tells of a liar. The raising pitch, the increased pace, the stammering.. He is a born this way mega rich dude who is doing us all favor by taking a leave of absence from raking in millions to be President for a term or two. And all these stupid irrelevant questions about his tax returns are pissing him off.

314 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:51:07pm

Imagine the Teabaggers reading Thomas Paine's critique of Christianity. Of course he met with severe censure.

315 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:54:24pm
316 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:55:19pm
317 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 9:58:36pm
318 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:00:01pm

re: #316 Gus

Image: christopherhitchens.jpg

Ah, yes, the patron saint of religious atheism...

(grinning, ducking & running but only half joking...)

319 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:00:31pm

re: #318 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, yes, the patron saint of religious atheism...

(grinning, ducking & running but only half joking...)

That's cool. I'm crying. But you're allowed to laugh.

320 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:02:37pm

I don't expect others to know what I know.

321 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:03:57pm

re: #320 Gus

Well.. what do you know?

322 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:05:37pm

re: #319 Gus

That's cool. I'm crying. But you're allowed to laugh.

Shrug. I'll not say what I was going to then. Illusions are often all that keep any of us alive.

323 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:06:53pm

re: #322 William Barnett-Lewis

Shrug. I'll not say what I was going to then. Illusions are often all that keep any of us alive.

Yep. Or as I see it. While God is still a theory. Christopher Hitchens will remain for eternity, a fact.

324 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:07:44pm

Goodnight guys. :)

325 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:08:13pm

re: #321 Mich-again

Well.. what do you know?

Well. It's 11:05 PM. It's really quiet outside save a rare showing of club goers drunkards.

326 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:10:42pm

Sorry. I know. I keep forgetting. Being this is LGF someone is always ready to pull out their debate sword. It's like a Renn Fair for politics and policy statements. Home to Socratic Bingo and the 500 word response. Depending on the time of course. :)

327 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:15:35pm

re: #326 Gus

Sorry. I know. I keep forgetting. Being this is LGF someone is always ready to pull out their debate sword. It's like a Renn Fair for politics and policy statements. Home to Socratic Bingo and the 500 word response. Depending on the time of course. :)

Or this.

328 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:17:36pm

There once was a time in America when the scions of privilege cared about more than being at the top of Forbe's "richest" list and did something for the average American:

329 Mocking Jay  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:17:37pm

re: #327 Varek Raith

I feel like I've just been Rick rolled.

330 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:17:43pm

re: #327 Varek Raith

Or this.

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Yep. Check these nuts out....

Obama labor agency nominee sent her kids to Communist-rooted summer camp

Daily Caller has gone Breivik loco.

331 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:18:33pm

Freedumb!

332 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:19:08pm

re: #331 Gus

Freedumb!

FRIES!

333 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:23:46pm

re: #329 Mocking Jay

I feel like I've just been Rick rolled.

MYAAH!

334 Gus  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:25:45pm
335 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:28:04pm

re: #334 Gus

They rock.

336 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:28:30pm

re: #334 Gus

Best rock band left. Wasting Light is incredible. I've listened to it hundreds of times.

337 Varek Raith  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:35:18pm

re: #334 Gus

Foo Fighters - Learn To Fly

[Embedded content]

Mythbusters:

An untrained civilian can be instructed how to successfully land a plane over the radio.

Plausible

340 Kragar  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 10:37:34pm

Since its been a while...

343 freetoken  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 11:07:09pm
344 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 18, 2012 11:58:16pm

re: #318 William Barnett-Lewis

Ah, yes, the patron saint of religious atheism...

hitchens didn't practice atheism properly. i declare him a heretic and excommunicant

345 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:16:40am
346 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:18:45am

re: #345 freetoken

sounds like bach, but who is the cellist? starker? ma?

347 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:20:38am

re: #343 freetoken

air on a g string jazz style

348 goddamnedfrank  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:38:48am

Whatever he's hiding it must be devastating.

Mitt Romney has been determined to resist releasing his tax returns at least since his bid for Massachusetts governor in 2002 and has been confident that he will never be forced to do so, several current and former Bain executives tell The Huffington Post. Had he thought otherwise, say the sources based on their longtime understanding of Romney, he never would have gone forward with his run for president.

349 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:40:59am

re: #346 engineer cat

Rostropovich

350 researchok  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 1:05:36am

Morning, all

351 researchok  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 1:10:13am

Early leave- later all.

And the Rostropovich is spot on.

352 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 4:39:07am

re: #210 darthstar

That is some sweet looking woodgrain!
I love buffed and shiny hardwood!

353 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 4:50:27am

Thank God I'm not a horse, I would have been put down years ago.
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]

354 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:10:17am

Morning Lizardim from the mildly warm and wet wild north country. Desperately needed rain is finally back, this time in much less force thankfully, bringing with it a respite from the dreadful heat wave we've been under. This weekend should be right back into the misery, though. What's new on the front lines in the war on derp?

355 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:26:07am

Fascinating article about sugar daddies
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
Who knew?

356 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:39:18am

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

After breaking down doors and shooting the family dog, a drug task force forced handcuffed children "to sit next to the carcass of their dead and bloody pet for more than an hour," and kept searching even after they knew they were raiding the wrong house, the family claims in Federal Court.

357 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:47:36am

We might as well just close up America, we're done.

[Link: instagram.com...]

358 Interesting Times  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:54:53am

re: #356 Obdicut

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Another child, a girl, "a diabetic, was handcuffed at gunpoint and prevented by officer from obtaining and taking her medication, thus induced a diabetic episode as a result of low-blood sugar levels."

Fucking disgusting. Reads like the kind of garbage you'd expect from some police state third-world country.

LGF site policy prevents me saying what ought to be done to those miserable excuses for police officers.

359 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:56:37am

re: #356 Obdicut

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Stupid, stupid, raid but would be more enlightening if the ages of the children were reported.

360 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:57:03am
361 ozbloke  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 5:59:31am

Not to be left out.

Murder accused collapses in dock

A terminally-ill man arrested for murder has collapsed in the dock of Adelaide Magistrates Court.

Antonio Spinotti, 57, of Marleston is jointly charged with murdering Brandt Stuart Kay, 43, whose body was found in a public toilet at Glenelg last December.

Spinotti's lawyer told the media his client had been a Crown witness.

Spinotti, who has hepatitis C and HIV, collapsed in the dock and an ambulance was called.

The man's lawyer, John Mattner, said his client needed to take up to 16 pills per day and had not been given his medication since he was arrested on Wednesday.

"Mr Spinotti is in a serious condition for medical reasons, he's tested positive for a number of issues such as hepatitis C and HIV and is currently on methadone," he said.

"He has not has his medication for some time.

"The authorities have a duty of care to look after people in custody. On this occasion, given the collapse, it's of serious concern."

More...

362 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:02:49am

re: #359 Decatur Deb

We seem to have a severe problem with cops being 90% accurate in their execution of warrants-- about half the stories about bad warrants I read are because they're next door to the place they actually want to target, or they inverted numbers, or they're on BadIdea Drive instead of Place.

You'd think if you're going to send a bunch of armed men charging around, you'd really push to get that last crucial bit of info. That "Wait, 2784 Rosedale or 2748 Rosedale?"

363 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:08:18am

I think the world would be a better place if everyone asked themselves at least once an hour "Am I fucking up right now?"

364 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:09:32am

re: #356 Obdicut

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Stupid, stupid, raid but would be more enlightening if the ages of the children were reported.re: #363 Obdicut

I think the world would be a better place if everyone asked themselves at least once an hour "Am I fucking up right now?"

Could be an Android app for that.

365 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:10:21am

And another one.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Cops failed to identify themselves when knocking on a door, guy answered the door with a gun, they shoot him to death.

Then they call not identifying themselves a 'minor detail'.

366 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:15:08am

re: #365 Obdicut

And another one.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Cops failed to identify themselves when knocking on a door, guy answered the door with a gun, they shoot him to death.

Then they call not identifying themselves a 'minor detail'.

FIL routinely answered his rural door with a .357 in his hand, even after the state trooper who was looking for one of his neighbors. Fear is a hell of a drug.

367 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:18:51am

re: #365 Obdicut

And another one.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

Cops failed to identify themselves when knocking on a door, guy answered the door with a gun, they shoot him to death.

Then they call not identifying themselves a 'minor detail'.

Yeah, see, in most parts of the country, it's more uncommon NOT to answer the door with a gun. Especially if the person fails to identify him/herself. I don't know how the cops thought that would actually end well, and now a man is dead because they were stupid.

368 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:19:37am

re: #363 Obdicut

I think the world would be a better place if everyone asked themselves at least once an hour "Am I fucking up right now?"

Assad's probably wondering that question at this very moment; though he's also probably wondering, where the hell am I right now (along with all the rest of the world)?

369 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:24:56am

re: #368 lawhawk

Assad's probably wondering that question at this very moment; though he's also probably wondering, where the hell am I right now (along with all the rest of the world)?

I'd had no idea he had even disappeared until I checked LGF this morning. When did this happen?

370 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:27:47am

re: #363 Obdicut

I would never get outta bed!

371 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:32:43am

re: #369 thedopefishlives

Everything is on rumor at the moment. No one seems to have seen him in the past few days, particularly since the attacks began in Damascus proper and especially after the bombing that took out his defense ministers yesterday.

There are rumors that he's out of Damascus and running things from one of his palaces in Latakia (Alawite majority town on the coast), and there are rumors that his presidential jet has taken off to points unknown.

None of the reports can be substantiated though he's clearly unsure of his personal safety so he's on the move and doesn't know who he can trust. So, there's a measure of safety in the silence/ambiguity.

372 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:34:13am

re: #371 lawhawk

I have a hard time wishing ill on people, but Assad is one whose chinless mug I am eager to see getting hauled up out of the dirt like a dog.

373 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:36:04am

The erroneous raids (that occur between 3 and 15% of the time, depending on who's reporting) are one of the reasons I dislike our "war on drugs".

The whole practice began because the police argued that following normal practice of knocking on doors and open warrants allowed the bad guys to dispose of all the evidence; flushing them down the toilet being the most common practice.

However, I've noticed a trend recently of getting no-knocks for things like suspected meth labs - things which not only will take significant time and effort to destroy but which leave a lot of ancillary evidence anyway. At the same time the family dog is almost always killed (whether the raid is valid or not the dog is a threat) and children are almost always forced to wait for a long period being treated as suspects or evidence. (example: Babies often forced to remain till they can be searched because somebody once shoved a balloon down a baby's throat.)

And far too many of these are exonerated in court.

374 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:43:14am

Bulgaria suicide bomber caught on cam


Looks like a white guy with red hair.
375 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:58:10am

No relief from the nation's drought; it's getting worse in most places - especially across the nation's Bread basket. That means higher food prices are inevitable; if crop failures are realized, it's going to mean higher prices for grains, meat, and other produce. Not good at all.

376 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:58:10am

re: #373 kirkspencer

(example: Babies often forced to remain till they can be searched because somebody once shoved a balloon down a baby's throat.)

Aaah, wouldn't that, like, totally kill the baby?

377 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:02:28am

re: #375 lawhawk

The US will mostly be insulated from those costs, or they will be relatively minor, but the Middle East and Central and South American are going to get hit hard.

Japan imports a ton of our grainstuff too, this is going to mess them up as well.

378 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:03:19am

re: #376 Learned Mother of Zion

Aaah, wouldn't that, like, totally kill the baby?

It didn't the one time it was caught. It could, as it sometimes kills adults.

But a typical standard now is that if there's a baby in the raided house it's treated as possible evidence. It's kept in the house till a qualified caretender LEO arrives and kept under observation till it has sufficient bowel movements to know it's 'empty'. (Note: ultrasound would be faster but it is more expensive and the police have to pay for the exam.)

379 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:07:47am

re: #375 lawhawk

Here in OH, the first two plantings of corn crops are a bust. Forecasters keep predicting rain, but all that happens is it gets cloudy, humid and hot. It's like we live in the tropics in northern OH!

On a personal note, we haven't had to cut our grass in 6 weeks!

380 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:32:13am

re: #374 Killgore Trout

Maybe it's another case of "Anne Murray Murphy"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

(The Irish woman whose Palestinian fiancee surreptitiously packed a bomb in her suitcase and told her to take an El Al flight. Fortunately, Israel's security asks a lot of questions)

BTW: I was in Sweden last week and went to the Synagogue there. (You can't spell Shabbat without "abba"!)

Image: 7563640774_7bca984a83_c.jpg

I've never seen such tight security! It's typical for European synagogues to have Israeli security guards, but here, it started from several blocks away. Right after I snapped the photo above, a car drove down the street and the man inside asked me who I was and what I was doing. Then I had to speak to two more people and show my passport before being allowed in.

It's very sad to see what a situation had been created for the Jews, especially in countries which think of themselves as "progressive" and "tolerant." They do have good meatballs, though!

Image: 7561768764_ed9d5d7e8d_c.jpg

381 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:34:45am

re: #380 ReamWorks SKG

Maybe it's another case of "Anne Murray Murphy"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

(The Irish woman whose Palestinian fiancee surreptitiously packed a bomb in her suitcase and told her to take an El Al flight. Fortunately, Israel's security asks a lot of questions)

I was thinking it might be the Swedish al Qaeda guy that was in the news last month. Either way, he does look like a Westerner.

382 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:36:15am

re: #377 Obdicut

I'm not so sure of that; considering that this is as bad a drought situation as the nation has faced in 50 years, it's likely to result in higher prices across the US. It may also result in higher gas prices as corn crops feed into ethanol production as well.

383 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:39:19am

Brennan Center for Justice - voter ID laws disenfranchise minorities:

Eligible voters in 10 states including Texas do not have easy access to free IDs required by new restrictive voting laws and minorities would more likely to be disenfranchised in the process, according to a new study released Wednesday.

Republicans who support new voter ID laws dismissed as partisan the study by the Brennan Center for Justice, which has joined legal efforts to block the new regulations, as politically motivated.

Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott and other state Republican officials insist that new laws like the voter ID law requiring a photograph does not disenfranchise voters.

But the study found that eligible voters who would need the free identification cards required by the new laws were less likely to have access to a vehicle and live further away from offices where the IDs are issued.

“Unfortunately, these free IDs are not equally accessible to all voters,” the report said.

384 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:44:24am

Russia keeps saying that they're not propping up Assad, and yet they go ahead and veto (along with China) another round of sanctions targeting Assad and his cronies. They vetoed a UN SCR that would have imposed new sanctions on Syrian regime.

385 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:49:04am

re: #381 Killgore Trout

I was thinking it might be the Swedish al Qaeda guy that was in the news last month. Either way, he does look like a Westerner.

I'm not going to speculate on the nationality of the suicide bomber, but I've met Iranians who could easily pass for Russians/Ukrainians (blonde hair, blue eyes, Slavic features), Irish (red hair, green eyes, freckles), or any number of other ethnicities (like the Turkmen). I've also met Latinos, Italians, etc. who could easily pass for Middle Eastern. Appearances can be deceiving.

386 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:49:24am

re: #384 lawhawk

Russia keeps saying that they're not propping up Assad, and yet they go ahead and veto (along with China) another round of sanctions targeting Assad and his cronies. They vetoed a UN SCR that would have imposed new sanctions on Syrian regime.

I believe it's high time we send Russia a Strongly Worded Letter (tm). Cold War II!

387 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:51:18am

re: #383 lawhawk

Brennan Center for Justice - voter ID laws disenfranchise minorities:

Partisan indeed...
Karl Rove on "Obama's Shrinking Majority"

This is why I have volunteered at my county's Dem. headquarters. I am going to do everything I can to encourage everyone who is elegible to get off their asses and vote.

388 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:51:51am

re: #381 Killgore Trout

I was thinking it might be the Swedish al Qaeda guy that was in the news last month. Either way, he does look like a Westerner.

Or Jihad Jane.

Image: image.jpg

All of which shows why relying on profiling will not get you to your destination.

389 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:52:09am

re: #385 CuriousLurker

I'm not going to speculate on the nationality of the suicide bomber, but I've met Iranians who could easily pass for Russians/Ukrainians (blonde hair, blue eyes, Slavic features), Irish (red hair, green eyes, freckles), or any number of other ethnicities (like the Turkmen). I've also met Latinos, Italians, etc. who could easily pass for Middle Eastern. Appearances can be deceiving.

Also, Chechens can be blond and blye-eyed.

390 MPH  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:52:34am

re: #171 jamesfirecat

So he should have just let Detroit go bankrupt instead?

Detroit the city is essentially bankrupt already. But, I'm assuming you meant General Motors. Yes, it most definitely should have entered into a bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, we've just kicked the can down the road, threw away untold billions of dollars of wealth (no, they haven't even come close to paying it all back and they never will) -- and meanwhile, the economy as a whole continues to be worse off. The corrupt Detroit status quo benefited at the expense of the rest of the country -- and even that benefit will be fleeting.

This notion that we're better off because of the bailouts (be it the auto or bank bailouts) is depressingly partisan. Had Bush or McCain been responsible for the GM bailout, you'd see a large percentage of the Republican party defending it today.

Partisan politics is a blinding force. But I guess it is good for page views.

391 ReamWorks SKG  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:52:55am

re: #385 CuriousLurker

Or he could actually be an American. Sadly, it would probably be very easy to recruit someone to blow up Jews on any college campus today. Once they get riled up by hearing Alice Walker (for example) speak on campus about how America is a "terrorist state", who knows what some kid might do?

392 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:53:26am

re: #389 Learned Mother of Zion

Also, Chechens can be blond and blye-eyed.

Yeah, I was watching a BBC series about Russia a couple of weeks ago and you're absolutely right.

393 Shropshire_Slasher  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:54:22am

you smell that?

394 MPH  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:54:42am

re: #178 William Barnett-Lewis

And so the sad little sleeper awoke and farted.

You sound exactly like the old-school commenters on LGF -- the only difference is your political persuasion. Some things never change...

395 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:55:08am

re: #391 ReamWorks SKG

I think there is a fair bit of distance between getting riled up and blowing yourself up in order to kill innocents.

The kid getting riled up by Alice Walker is probably going to say some stupid shit, maybe go to a dumb demonstration.

396 gwangung  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:55:41am

re: #390 MPH

Benefit is to keep the entire auto industry (not just GM) working, plus the parts/suppliers industry.

Not minor. Ignoring the other parts is partisan.

397 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:55:46am

re: #394 MPH

You sound exactly like the old-school commenters on LGF -- the only difference is your political persuasion. Some things never change...

Yeah, like people on the internet abusing ellipses.

Let our periods go!

398 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:56:37am

re: #390 MPH

GM did enter a bankruptcy restructuring.

Are you a parody account to make right-wingers look bad?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

399 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:56:56am

re: #390 MPH

Thoughtless regurgitated talking points make erik_t sad.

400 kirkspencer  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:57:02am

re: #390 MPH

Detroit the city is essentially bankrupt already. But, I'm assuming you meant General Motors. Yes, it most definitely should have entered into a bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, we've just kicked the can down the road, threw away untold billions of dollars of wealth (no, they haven't even come close to paying it all back and they never will) -- and meanwhile, the economy as a whole continues to be worse off. The corrupt Detroit status quo benefited at the expense of the rest of the country -- and even that benefit will be fleeting.

This notion that we're better off because of the bailouts (be it the auto or bank bailouts) is depressingly partisan. Had Bush or McCain been responsible for the GM bailout, you'd see a large percentage of the Republican party defending it today.

Partisan politics is a blinding force. But I guess it is good for page views.

um, Bush was responsible for part of the GM bailout.

401 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:57:13am

The thing about the bombing is that anti-semitism is alive and well in Europe. He could be from anywhere.

re: #397 Obdicut

Never !!! :)

402 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:57:43am

Sounds like it's time to spin up the troll barbecue.

403 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:58:02am

re: #400 kirkspencer

um, Bush was responsible for part of the GM bailout.

I think he's a self-parody. He's fucking up so fast and furious. But Poe's Law, so who knows.

404 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:58:17am

re: #391 ReamWorks SKG

Or he could actually be an American. Sadly, it would probably be very easy to recruit someone to blow up Jews on any college campus today. Once they get riled up by hearing Alice Walker (for example) speak on campus about how America is a "terrorist state", who knows what some kid might do?

I disagree. I think if it was that easy, we'd be seeing a lot more of it here as well as elsewhere. Besides, I've never heard of any Alice Walker or other moonbat inspired suicide bombers, have you?

405 Achilles Tang  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:59:17am

re: #390 MPH

Detroit the city is essentially bankrupt already. But, I'm assuming you meant General Motors. Yes, it most definitely should have entered into a bankruptcy restructuring.

You really should pay attention to facts instead of spouting GOP crack.

Don't you know that bankruptcy means restructuring, but while continuing to operate, and continuing to operate means having funds to operate?

There were no funds available from anyone at the time, except the government, because all the job creators didn't like the risk, and that includes the banks.

GM would have been sold off for pennies on the dollar and plants shipped to China or elsewhere, as some smaller ones were, and thousands of small component suppliers would have gone out of business.

Your political philosophy, and economics, isn't even grade school level.

406 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:59:36am

re: #402 thedopefishlives

Sounds like it's time to spin up the troll barbecue.

Too soon. He's not offensive or robo.

Let a hundred flowers derp.

407 brennant  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 7:59:40am

re: #375 lawhawk

No relief from the nation's drought; it's getting worse in most places - especially across the nation's Bread basket. That means higher food prices are inevitable; if crop failures are realized, it's going to mean higher prices for grains, meat, and other produce. Not good at all.

Maybe it is because I am on the left coast, but it surprises me we are not talking more about this drought. Scary stuff. I hope they get the rain they need... maybe too late.

408 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:01:00am

re: #391 ReamWorks SKG

To clarify, that's not to say that he couldn't be an American—he could—I was just disagreeing with the motivation.

409 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:01:34am

re: #405 Achilles Tang

And instead of just letting them go bankrupt-- and probably face Chapter 7-- the government provided the funds for a Chapter 11 bankruptcy, during which there was sale of assets, closing down of unprofitable brands, etc. All that red-blooded free-market type stuff.

410 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:02:13am

re: #390 MPH

Detroit the city is essentially bankrupt already. But, I'm assuming you meant General Motors. Yes, it most definitely should have entered into a bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, we've just kicked the can down the road, threw away untold billions of dollars of wealth (no, they haven't even come close to paying it all back and they never will) -- and meanwhile, the economy as a whole continues to be worse off. The corrupt Detroit status quo benefited at the expense of the rest of the country -- and even that benefit will be fleeting.

This notion that we're better off because of the bailouts (be it the auto or bank bailouts) is depressingly partisan. Had Bush or McCain been responsible for the GM bailout, you'd see a large percentage of the Republican party defending it today.

Partisan politics is a blinding force. But I guess it is good for page views.

Indeed it is.
Which explains why you're getting so many things wrong about this.
;)

411 Big Steve  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:02:21am

Sorry to hear about the passing of Bill Raspberry. I used to read his nationally syndicated column regularly. Good clear voice....he will be missed.

412 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:02:45am
413 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:03:12am
414 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:03:54am

re: #413 Gus

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Yeah, all you people STFU!

415 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:04:55am

re: #414 Varek Raith

Yeah, all you people STFU!

Just don't talk about my horse!!

[Faints]

416 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:05:07am

Okay, back to the salt mines...later, lizards.

417 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:05:43am

re: #390 MPH

GM went through a restructured bankruptcy, and I've made it quite clear that I didn't approve of the bailouts of GM or Chrysler since they were going to be restructured (not liquidated).

Politics intervened in the process in more ways than one but chief among them was that President Bush didn't want to be known for having GM go bankrupt on his watch so the bailout kicked the can into 2009; Obama gave a subsequent bailout that lasted several months more before an expedited restructuring could be done for both GM and Chrysler - and taxpayers ended up with significant shares of GM in the process. Those shares aren't likely to reach the strike price anytime soon, but unless the Treasury sells them below that price, it would be a paper loss only. GM and Chrysler have repaid the loans given to them thus far.

An expedited restructuring bankruptcy in 2008 would have been a political hit for Bush, but it could have saved several billion dollars or reduced the ownership share in the companies.

Other parts of TARP (the bailout) have netted a profit to taxpayers, particularly the bailout of the banks.

The homeowner bailouts have been less successful.

A daily accounting for TARP.

418 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:05:49am

re: #416 CuriousLurker

Okay, back to the salt mines...later, lizards.

Enjoy the sodium.

//

419 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:06:23am

Mornin' #youpeople. It seems like only yesterday we were talking about how Ann Romney should be off limits, and now I know why...she's so fucking superior to us we don't deserve to look at the peanuts in her shit.

420 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:06:27am
421 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:06:27am

You people.
Yep, so not condescending.

422 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:07:34am

re: #420 Gus

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You'd think his lawyer would've told him to just sit down and stfu.
No interviews, no nothing!
Sheesh.

423 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:08:01am

re: #415 Gus

Just don't talk about my horse!!

[Faints]

424 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:08:49am

re: #406 Decatur Deb

Too soon. He's not offensive or robo.

Let a hundred flowers derp.

But I'm hungry NOW, mommy.

425 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:09:12am

If it weren't for my horse, I wouldn't have spent that year in college.
-Lewis Black

426 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:09:12am

re: #422 Varek Raith

You'd think his lawyer would've told him to just sit down and stfu.
No interviews, no nothing!
Sheesh.

A one hour interview without consulting his lawyer once before answering a question. Methinks Zim and Hannity were reading from synchronized teleprompters.

427 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:10:25am

Ann Romney is really Captain Sobel.

Capt. Herbert Sobel: [the company is in formation at Camp Toccoa] You people are at the position of attention!
[Sobel walks up to Perconte, who presents his rifle for inspection]
Capt. Herbert Sobel: Private Perconte, have you been blousing your trousers over your boots like a paratrooper?
Frank Perconte: No, sir.
Capt. Herbert Sobel: Then explain the creases at the bottom.
Frank Perconte: [pause] No excuse, sir.
Capt. Herbert Sobel: Volunteering for the parachute infantry is one thing, Perconte, but you've got a *long* way to prove that you belong here. Your weekend pass is revoked.
[Sobel moves down the line to Luz]
Capt. Herbert Sobel: Name.
George Luz: Luz, George.
[he presents his rifle for inspection; Sobel examines it and tosses it back at him]
Capt. Herbert Sobel: Dirt in the rear sight aperture. Pass revoked.
[Sobel moves down the line to Lipton]
Capt. Herbert Sobel: When did you sew on these chevrons, Sergeant Lipton?
Carwood Lipton: Yesterday, sir....

428 Big Steve  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:12:25am

re: #427 Gus

Maybe Ann Romney will let some farmers cows out next.

429 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:12:55am

re: #390 MPH

Detroit the city is essentially bankrupt already. But, I'm assuming you meant General Motors. Yes, it most definitely should have entered into a bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, we've just kicked the can down the road, threw away untold billions of dollars of wealth (no, they haven't even come close to paying it all back and they never will) -- and meanwhile, the economy as a whole continues to be worse off. The corrupt Detroit status quo benefited at the expense of the rest of the country -- and even that benefit will be fleeting.

This notion that we're better off because of the bailouts (be it the auto or bank bailouts) is depressingly partisan. Had Bush or McCain been responsible for the GM bailout, you'd see a large percentage of the Republican party defending it today.

Partisan politics is a blinding force. But I guess it is good for page views.

I was unemployed for 6 years and now I am back at work thanks to the auto industry getting back on its feet. So FUCK YOU and your "FUCK DETROIT"

430 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:13:27am

re: #425 Varek Raith

But there were blanks in that gun! /Blutarsky

431 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:13:34am

re: #427 Gus

Sobel is credited by the dudes with being a very effective-- if assholish-- trainer, but just a terrible actual wartime leader. They all hated him but also said that the discipline and training he put them through were a large part of their success.

432 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:14:30am

re: #390 MPH

Let's see, Bin Laden is dead. GM is alive. That's more accomplished than any Republican can say; good enough for my vote.

433 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:16:20am

This is just wrong. I will give up my porn when they pry it from my well lubed fingers.

434 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:16:47am
435 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:17:08am

re: #426 darthstar

A one hour interview without consulting his lawyer once before answering a question. Methinks Zim and Hannity were reading from synchronized teleprompters.

I think there is a "part 2" tonight on Hannity.
Get ready for some clean up.

436 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:17:17am

re: #433 darthstar

This is just wrong. I will give up my porn when they pry it from my well lubed fingers.

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437 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:18:05am

Ah. I see. Not just complaining about the GM bailout. It also includes some LGF derangement.

438 Big Steve  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:18:16am

re: #429 Learned Mother of Zion

congrats on the new job by the way.

439 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:18:52am

re: #429 Learned Mother of Zion

I was unemployed for 6 years and now I am back at work thanks to the auto industry getting back on its feet. So FUCK YOU and your "FUCK DETROIT"

You, and thousands more. I think you even bought a new car if I recall correctly?

440 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:18:55am

It's a crime to merely object to an FBI order to surrender customers information? Our ISP's sure have a tough job. This is today's Department Of Justice.

441 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:19:58am

re: #440 Daniel Ballard

It's a crime to merely object to an FBI order to surrender customers information? Our ISP's sure have a tough job. This is today's Department Of Justice.

TERRORISM
/

442 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:20:10am

re: #437 Gus

Ah. I see. Not just complaining about the GM bailout. It also includes some LGF derangement.

Hence the troll barbecue comment from earlier. I wouldn't just roll it out for anyone who only complained about the bailouts.

443 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:22:11am

re: #390 MPH

Detroit the city is essentially bankrupt already. But, I'm assuming you meant General Motors. Yes, it most definitely should have entered into a bankruptcy restructuring. Instead, we've just kicked the can down the road, threw away untold billions of dollars of wealth (no, they haven't even come close to paying it all back and they never will) -- and meanwhile, the economy as a whole continues to be worse off. The corrupt Detroit status quo benefited at the expense of the rest of the country -- and even that benefit will be fleeting.

This notion that we're better off because of the bailouts (be it the auto or bank bailouts) is depressingly partisan. Had Bush or McCain been responsible for the GM bailout, you'd see a large percentage of the Republican party defending it today.

Partisan politics is a blinding force. But I guess it is good for page views.

Partisan? OK, read this:

U.S. Throws Lifeline to Detroit
December 20, 2008

WASHINGTON -- The Bush administration said it would lend $17.4 billion to General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC, buying them a few weeks of financial relief but leaving the biggest decisions about the industry's future to President-elect Barack Obama.

Under the White House plan, the companies are required to extract enough financial concessions from workers, suppliers, dealers and other stakeholders to demonstrate their long-term viability by the end of March.

The deal's ambitious targets for the companies include replacing two-thirds of their debt with stock; using more stock instead of cash to fund retiree health-care obligations; eliminating much-criticized union "jobs banks" that pay laid-off auto workers; and establishing wage structures and workplace rules that are more competitive with foreign rivals.

But all those targets are nonbinding, and the agreement appeared to be much more porous than legislation that the administration and Democratic congressional leaders failed to pass earlier this month.

The loan package also requires the administration to drain what remains in the first half of the Treasury Department's $700 billion bailout fund, originally intended to aid the financial industry. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson said lawmakers should release the final $350 billion "to support financial-market stability," a request likely to set up another battle with Congress.

Investors cheered the auto rescue, with GM shares climbing almost 23%, or 83 cents, to $4.49 in 4 p.m. New York Stock Exchange trading. Ford Motor Co. -- which is in better financial health and isn't seeking immediate aid -- saw a more modest gain of about 4%, or 11 cents, to close at $2.95.

Continues.

444 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:23:07am

Rebel forces have attacked the main police headquarters in Damascus.

445 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:23:47am

Blah, blah, blah.

Oh right TARP was hatched by a Republican White House.

Blah, blah, blah.

Oh right the GM bailout began under a Republican White House.

Obama's fault!

446 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:25:45am

MPH has gone MIA.

447 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:26:00am

re: #439 blueraven

You, and thousands more. I think you even bought a new car if I recall correctly?

I bought 2 new cars.

448 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:31:50am
449 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:32:02am

re: #444 lawhawk

Rebel forces have attacked the main police headquarters in Damascus.

I will confess that the term "rebel forces" conjures images of starships and Han Solo.

450 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:33:35am

re: #449 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I chuckle to myself about using that term, and the tighter that Assad grasps, the more of Syria slips through his fingers. His Dark Side powers have grown weak.

451 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:35:54am

IS the Ann Romney "You people" outrage fake?
Not that it makes any difference, this stuff is always stupid but there's much outrage from the left this morning: Ann Romney on the secret tax returns: 'We’ve given all you people need to know'
Meanwhile, more reliable news sources are reporting the quote differently...
Romney’s wife says no more tax info to come; ‘we’ve given all that people need to know’
This stuff just keeps getting dumber. ...and we wonder why our political system is dysfunctional.

452 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:36:22am

re: #449 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I will confess that the term "rebel forces" conjures images of starships and Han Solo.

"rebel forces" - good
"insurgents" - bad
"Freedom fighters" (Reagan era) - good
"Sandinista" - bad

453 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:39:06am
454 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:40:15am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

IS the Ann Romney "You people" outrage fake?

What outrage? People are just pointing out that she's just condescending and tone deaf. Kind of like Barbara Bush when she said the Katrina refugees living in gymnasiums were 'better off'...it's not OUTRAGE!!!, it's just another reminder that the Romneys are out of touch with most Americans.

455 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:41:08am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

The evil leftist quote comes verbatim from Politico, of course, a bastion of evil leftist outrage.

456 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:41:49am

re: #454 darthstar

What outrage? People are just pointing out that she's just condescending and tone deaf. Kind of like Barbara Bush when she said the Katrina refugees living in gymnasiums were 'better off'...it's not OUTRAGE!!!, it's just another reminder that the Romneys are out of touch with most Americans.

Exactly. Just shooting the shit and looking at Ann Romney wondering when Mitt will tell her to shut up in between having a sandwich, drinking coffee, and smoking cigarettes.

457 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:42:11am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

IS the Ann Romney "You people" outrage fake?
Not that it makes any difference, this stuff is always stupid but there's much outrage from the left this morning: Ann Romney on the secret tax returns: 'We’ve given all you people need to know'
Meanwhile, more reliable news sources are reporting the quote differently...
Romney’s wife says no more tax info to come; ‘we’ve given all that people need to know’
This stuff just keeps getting dumber. ...and we wonder why our political system is dysfunctional.

If only we had a way to make recordings of what people say on electronic media...

458 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:42:26am

re: #455 erik_t

The evil leftist quote comes verbatim from Politico, of course, a bastion of evil leftist outrage.

Occupy Politico!

//

459 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:42:30am
460 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:43:07am

re: #429 Learned Mother of Zion

I was unemployed for 6 years and now I am back at work thanks to the auto industry getting back on its feet. So FUCK YOU and your "FUCK DETROIT"

I'd like to add a "fuck you" from Silver City, land of the former call center.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Perspective, indeed. What a jerk.

461 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:43:58am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

IS the Ann Romney "You people" outrage fake?
Not that it makes any difference, this stuff is always stupid but there's much outrage from the left this morning: Ann Romney on the secret tax returns: 'We’ve given all you people need to know'
Meanwhile, more reliable news sources are reporting the quote differently...
Romney’s wife says no more tax info to come; ‘we’ve given all that people need to know’
This stuff just keeps getting dumber. ...and we wonder why our political system is dysfunctional.

You don't seem to understand how our culture works sometimes. A lot of this is just a "Twitter affect." People are also "walking around" using mobile devices to push this event. You want this to stop? Then I suggest you lobby the government to ban Twitter or something. ;)

462 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:44:10am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

She either says "All you people need to know" or "all that people need to know". Obviously, 'you' sounds slightly worse, but you do get it's the sentiment, not the phraseology, that's objectionable, right? Or do you not get that?

463 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:44:47am

re: #457 Decatur Deb

If only we had a way to make recordings of what people say on electronic media...

KT's just doing what Republicans do. Changing the quote to make it sound less condescending, then arguing the lie until it becomes accepted as an alternate interpretation of what was actually said.

464 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:45:56am

re: #462 Obdicut

She either says "All you people need to know" or "all that people need to know". Obviously, 'you' sounds slightly worse, but you do get it's the sentiment, not the phraseology, that's objectionable, right? Or do you not get that?

She says "you people." Not "or" anything.

465 gwangung  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:46:12am

re: #451 Killgore Trout

IS the Ann Romney "You people" outrage fake?
Not that it makes any difference, this stuff is always stupid but there's much outrage from the left this morning: Ann Romney on the secret tax returns: 'We’ve given all you people need to know'
Meanwhile, more reliable news sources are reporting the quote differently...
Romney’s wife says no more tax info to come; ‘we’ve given all that people need to know’
This stuff just keeps getting dumber. ...and we wonder why our political system is dysfunctional.

Either way that it's stated, it's still condescending and wrong.

You run for President, you need to open up your tax returns.

466 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:46:32am

re: #463 darthstar

No, I think if you listen to the video, you'll find it's quite probably she just said "all people need to know".

It's the same sentiment, slightly less contemptuous.

She also said this:

Ann Romney says the family gives 10 percent of its income to the Mormon church and he took no salary during his four years as Massachusetts governor. She says that should be enough to put aside people’s concerns about his finances.

That's paraphrasing, of course, so maybe the eeevil lieburls changed it up, but that's also amazingly condescending and naive. That he gives money to his church should allay people's concerns about his finances... why? And what does him not taking a salary have to do with anything?

467 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:46:33am

re: #460 wrenchwench

This kind action (taking advantage of tax credits/incentives and then jumping ship as soon as they possibly can) has led more than a few states to reform the way they provide those tax credits/incentives. They require more proof of jobs created and that the jobs will persist for a longer period of time.

468 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:47:36am

re: #464 darthstar

She says "you people." Not "or" anything.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. When I listen to the video, I don't hear the you. It also doesn't matter to me, since what she's saying is the same in either case: that she and he get to decide what people need to see, and what they've decided people need to see is less than what the senate would require to confirm someone to the most lowly post appointed by the president.

469 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:48:41am
470 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:49:40am

"You people" video:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

471 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:50:53am

re: #467 lawhawk

This kind action (taking advantage of tax credits/incentives and then jumping ship as soon as they possibly can) has led more than a few states to reform the way they provide those tax credits/incentives. They require more proof of jobs created and that the jobs will persist for a longer period of time.

We certainly lack effective leadership here. We were kind of ripe for the picking. And we got plucked.

472 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:50:57am

re: #468 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but I disagree. When I listen to the video, I don't hear the you. It also doesn't matter to me, since what she's saying is the same in either case: that she and he get to decide what people need to see, and what they've decided people need to see is less than what the senate would require to confirm someone to the most lowly post appointed by the president.

Try my 470 link. It's pretty clear, not a 'punk' situation.

473 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:52:56am

re: #468 Obdicut

I clearly hear her say "We've given all you people need to know..." TPM has the video. Then again, people hear what they want to hear.

474 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:55:03am

Oh god not another "partisan people hear what partisan people want to hear" hair-splitting bullshit debate.

Ann Romney should stick to dancing with the horses.

475 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:55:03am

re: #472 Decatur Deb

Try my 470 link. It's pretty clear, not a 'punk' situation.

That one is clearer than the one I saw, and certainly sounds like you.

The point I'm making is the 'you' is like .01% of the wrongness of what she said, and focusing on whether or not she said you is a semantic debate that doesn't really matter.

476 Interesting Times  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:55:15am

re: #466 Obdicut

That he gives money to his church should allay people's concerns about his finances... why?

Actually, him giving to his church impresses me even less, given the lovely bigotry they bankroll:

The Mormon Money Behind Proposition 8

It's actually even bigger than previously understood. Yesterday, I linked to stories alleging up to 40 percent of the financing for the California proposition to strip gay couples of their right to marry was coming from LDS Church members. Now, the numbers claimed by the opponents of Proposition 8 are even higher - more like a staggering 77 percent:

477 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:55:22am

re: #473 darthstar

I clearly hear her say "We've given all you people need to know..." TPM has the video. Then again, people hear what they want to hear.

So you're saying I don't want to hear her saying 'you' because..?

478 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:55:47am

Where the story becomes the story!

Zzzzz.

479 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:55:48am

re: #475 Obdicut

That one is clearer than the one I saw, and certainly sounds like you.

The point I'm making is the 'you' is like .01% of the wrongness of what she said, and focusing on whether or not she said you is a semantic debate that doesn't really matter.

She also admits, again, that the reason he's not releasing returns is because there's a ton of stuff to attack in there.

480 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:56:30am

re: #477 Obdicut

So you're saying I don't want to hear her saying 'you' because..?

Let's not have this argument, and then say we did.

481 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:57:16am

re: #475 Obdicut

That one is clearer than the one I saw, and certainly sounds like you.

The point I'm making is the 'you' is like .01% of the wrongness of what she said, and focusing on whether or not she said you is a semantic debate that doesn't really matter.

It's .01 of the wrongness, but about 60% of the emotive impact. She really needs to dance her horse off to someplace without electricity for a few months.

482 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:57:29am

re: #477 Obdicut

So you're saying I don't want to hear her saying 'you' because..?

Nope...not saying that at all, and I see your acknowledgement of the 'you' upthread, though I disagree that the 'you people' is .01% of her wrongness...I think everything else she says is pure campaign bullshit, and the condescending tone is 99.99% of what's wrong with her statement.

483 dragonath  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:58:07am

A 10% tithe of whatever Romney is worth has to be pretty heavy duty. That could be another angle to the tax returns. They're probably numbers that would make every fundamentalist's eyes bug out.

484 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:59:02am

re: #470 Decatur Deb

"You people" video:

[Link: www.politico.com...]

It sounds like you people to me. Now, I suppose she could have been referring to the media and not the unwashed masses.

485 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:59:16am

re: #483 Fred Galt

A 10% tithe of whatever Ronmey is worth has to be pretty heavy duty. That could be another angle to the tax returns. They're probably numbers that would make every fundamentalist's eyes bug out.

Interesting idea. Fear the heathen Mormon church and its massively wealthy benefactors!

486 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 8:59:26am

re: #479 iossarian

She also admits, again, that the reason he's not releasing returns is because there's a ton of stuff to attack in there.

Yeah. And this plays interestingly with the debates that we're having on tax stuff. One of the things that Romney has often said he'd do is close tax loopholes. There's probably bigger issues with his taxes, but we can certainly already see that he's taking advantage of several what many would call loopholes.

It's not really hypocrisy, any more than Buffett not voluntarily paying a higher tax rate and agitating for a higher tax rate. But it would be funny to see Romney be used as an example of someone taking advantages of loopholes he wants to see closed.

487 allegro  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:00:29am

re: #483 Fred Galt

A 10% tithe of whatever Romney is worth has to be pretty heavy duty. That could be another angle to the tax returns. They're probably numbers that would make every fundamentalist's eyes bug out.

You believe the Romneys have given 10% of their net worth to their church? I don't. I imagine they have played the same games declaring his "earnings" with the church as they have their taxes. Loopholes. I don't see Romney doing anything that doesn't have $ and profit in it.

488 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:00:34am

re: #469 Learned Mother of Zion

He's an alumni of Guantanamo Bay. Who says torture doesn't rehabilitate people? /

489 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:00:41am

re: #482 darthstar

I think the sentiment that they get to decide whether or not people have a vested interested in seeing their tax returns is what's wrong with her statement. I don't care about her tone. I care that she's trying to tell me all I need to know about Romney is he gives to his church and took no salary as governor. That's the bit that's totally con-artist.

490 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:02:53am
491 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:03:52am

Okay, time to go run the dogs. bbl

493 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:04:15am

re: #490 darthstar

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I saw that but it's a heck of a lot more complicated than that.

494 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:04:50am

Investigation into Bain Capital's initial investors. A real rogue's gallery. Who'da thunk that ROBERT MAXWELL of all people would be putting his ill-gotten gains into Romney's pockets:

David Lyons said that wealthy Europeans like his father often invested through offshore shell corporations. "It allowed some confidentiality," he said. "It allowed a lot of things."

Jack Lyons worked as an outside consultant for Bain & Co., but that ended when he and three others were charged in the Guinness Affair, a stock scandal that rocked Britain. Convicted of fraud in 1990, he was spared prison time due to his failing health, but was stripped of his knighthood.

Romney and his partners also won over the money manager for one of California's wealthiest families, the Crockers, whose family trust put in $4.8 million. Romney "was the most confident executive I've ever come across," said William Swanson, who at the time managed the family's investments.

Other early investors included Robert Maxwell, the British publishing baron, who invested $2 million. After his drowning death in 1991, investigators discovered Maxwell had stolen hundreds of millions of dollars from his company's pension funds.

[Link: www.latimes.com...]

495 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:05:03am

So why did he murder Israelis and not Americans? FAIL.

496 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:05:03am

Others will say, "well then, we should have kept him in Gitmo" thus justifying its existence.

497 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:06:23am

Tweet overload.

498 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:07:08am

re: #483 Fred Galt

A 10% tithe of whatever Romney is worth has to be pretty heavy duty. That could be another angle to the tax returns. They're probably numbers that would make every fundamentalist's eyes bug out.

Tithing is on income, not net worth.

499 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:07:51am

re: #496 Gus

Others will say, "well then, we should have kept him in Gitmo" thus justifying its existence.

It's a perfect shitstorm situation for people to sploodge out about.

500 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:12:24am

Life is typically more like a Rube Goldberg contraption.

501 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:12:54am

re: #500 Gus

Life is typically more like a Rube Goldberg contraption.

That fails right at the bit where the monkey is supposed to clap its cymbals and set off a firecracker.

502 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:16:36am

re: #496 Gus

Others will say, "well then, we should have kept him in Gitmo" thus justifying its existence.

Can you imagine if this asshole was released by the Obama admin?

503 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:16:41am

re: #501 Obdicut

That fails right at the bit where the monkey is supposed to clap its cymbals and set off a firecracker.

Sound and fury... signifying nothing.

504 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:19:43am

re: #502 blueraven

Can you imagine if this asshole was released by the Obama admin?

I'm sure the wingnuts will find a way to blame Obama on this.

505 dragonath  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:19:52am

re: #498 wrenchwench

Thanks, although that's pretty confusing too, considering he's been "ha ha, unemployed" the last few years.

I'm not sure how the Mormon heirarchy works, but I would imagine to be a bishop in that church you'd have to be in pretty good standing.

Dammit Romney release your tax forms already.

506 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:19:53am

re: #496 Gus

Backgrounder on Ghezali. He was held in Gitmo from 2002 until 2004 when he was transferred to Sweden. Swedish authorities refused to press charges, and released him in 2004.

Ghezali was reportedly a Swedish citizen, with Algerian and Finnish origins. He had been held at the US’s Guantanamo Bay detainment camp on Cuba from 2002 to 2004, having previously studied at a Muslim religious school and mosque in Britain, and traveled to Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. He was released to Swedish custody in 2004, and the Swedish government did not press charges. He was also reportedly among 12 foreigners captured trying to cross into Afghanistan in 2009.

All this assumes that this is the guy involved in this particular attack.

If we're going to play the blame game, it would be on who? Bush Administration for releasing him in 2004? Swedish authorities who didn't press charges in 2004? Authorities (who?) who didn't keep him in custody in 2009?

BTW, the Michigan driver's license provided an address of a casino in Baton Rouge Louisiana. That should have been a tipoff that it was a bogus license but we've yet to come by a passport.

507 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:23:30am

re: #433 darthstar

This is just wrong. I will give up my porn when they pry it from my well lubed fingers.

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The Party of Small Gub'Mint™.

Gub'Mint needs to get out of the way! Taxes are Tyranny! Gub'Mint interference in the market is evil and destroys the economy!

Oh, what's that, a private enterprise is producing a product made by consenting adults for consenting adults? Step over here son, you're goin' in the slammer for a nice, long time.

Why is this not a national story? Why is this not brought up CONSTANTLY, every single time they try to say they want limited government? Why does nobody point out these obvious contradictions? Why is the entire media apparatus of this fucked up piece of dirt complicit in allowing these scumbags to lie through their teeth like that?

508 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:23:49am

re: #506 lawhawk

Backgrounder on Ghezali. He was held in Gitmo from 2002 until 2004 when he was transferred to Sweden. Swedish authorities refused to press charges, and released him in 2004.

All this assumes that this is the guy involved in this particular attack.

If we're going to play the blame game, it would be on who? Bush Administration for releasing him in 2004? Swedish authorities who didn't press charges in 2004? Authorities (who?) who didn't keep him in custody in 2009?

BTW, the Michigan driver's license provided an address of a casino in Baton Rouge Louisiana. That should have been a tipoff that it was a bogus license but we've yet to come by a passport.

Quickly I would think that the alleged bomber was radicalized well before his arrival at Gitmo. Which is not a justification of Gitmo itself. The same thing happens with regular violent criminals who are released from prison then go on to commit heinous crimes. It's always a gamble when we release any violent criminal or what happens to be genuine terrorists. There are similarities.

509 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:24:57am

re: #505 Fred Galt

Thanks, although that's pretty confusing too, considering he's been "ha ha, unemployed" the last few years.

I'm not sure how the Mormon heirarchy works, but I would imagine to be a bishop in that church you'd have to be in pretty good standing.

Dammit Romney release your tax forms already.

One of my customers is a bishop of the LDS. It's not at all like being a Catholic bishop.

510 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:26:57am

There are plenty of men who were released from Gitmo that have gone on to live normal lives. Some that have been released have also been innocent all along. There are also plenty of men in Gitmo who should remain behind the razor wire.

511 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:28:49am

So the attack had nothing to do with Iran?
Looks like Netanyahu could have waited just a bit before his accusations.

512 Gus  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:30:25am

Ugh. Basically hitting 100 degrees for the next 4 days.

513 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:31:04am

re: #510 Gus

There are plenty of men who were released from Gitmo that have gone on to live normal lives. Some that have been released have also been innocent all along. There are also plenty of men in Gitmo who should remain behind the razor wire.

If only there were some sort of organizational framework that allowed us to intelligently and consistently do our best to determine which was which...

514 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:32:33am

Boehner Blasts Bachmann, Says Her Unfounded Accusations Are ‘Pretty Dangerous’

What's even more dangerous is that there are people stupid enough to believe her.

515 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:34:01am

re: #146 MPH

Disgraceful is the billions pissed away to Detroit to bail out the auto unions and corrupt executives. Consequently, billions of dollars in capital was destroyed and will never return. The president can brag about "saving" the US auto industry, but he killed untold other businesses and jobs by directing those billions into a money pit.

And here we're talking about a New Mexico call center? Let's keep some perspective here, folks...

Not merely a Balance Fairy, but a Balance Fuckwad.

Notice how it seems as if credit is almost given to Romney, as it its a good thing a business got out of paying taxes and jobs were lost.

Jobs were lost. Auto bailouts, with all good and bad considered, saved jobs. Which means supporting tax base.

516 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:34:38am

re: #506 lawhawk

Backgrounder on Ghezali. He was held in Gitmo from 2002 until 2004 when he was transferred to Sweden. Swedish authorities refused to press charges, and released him in 2004.

All this assumes that this is the guy involved in this particular attack.

If we're going to play the blame game, it would be on who? Bush Administration for releasing him in 2004? Swedish authorities who didn't press charges in 2004? Authorities (who?) who didn't keep him in custody in 2009?

BTW, the Michigan driver's license provided an address of a casino in Baton Rouge Louisiana. That should have been a tipoff that it was a bogus license but we've yet to come by a passport.

wow.

517 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:36:21am

Just imagine if he'd become the GOP nominee:

Santorum: ‘Maybe John Sununu Shouldn’t Have Apologized’

518 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:37:37am

re: #517 Lidane

Just imagine if he'd become the GOP nominee:

Santorum: ‘Maybe John Sununu Shouldn’t Have Apologized’

Things that aren't un-American: commenting that separation of church and state 'makes you sick', considering higher education to be snobbery

519 Amory Blaine  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:37:40am

re: #390 MPH

CAR Research Memorandum:
The Impact on the U.S. Economy of a Major
Contraction of the Detroit Three Automakers

Mitt Romney: "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"

Romney taking credit for auto industry success

"I pushed the idea of a managed bankruptcy, and finally when that was done, and help was given, the companies got back on their feet," Romney said in an interview inside a Cleveland-area auto parts maker. "So, I'll take a lot of credit for the fact that this industry has come back."

Romney taking credit shows he knows the companies are successful.

520 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:40:19am

re: #509 wrenchwench

One of my customers is a bishop of the LDS. It's not at all like being a Catholic bishop.

There's a straight line in there somewhere.

521 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:43:23am

re: #520 Decatur Deb

There's a straight line in there somewhere.

Oh, look. There's b_sharp. He'll find it!

522 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:43:44am

re: #511 blueraven

So far, there's no identification of what group this guy may have been involved with/in. He could have been a lone wolf, or a member of an organized terror group. Israeli intel has been following threats to Israeli interests in Bulgaria among other places - coming from Hizbullah/Iran. Whether that link is sustained is an open question based on the information released thus far.

523 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 9:47:05am

I'm starting to believe Anne Romney is Marie Antoinette reincarnated.

524 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:01:21am

re: #522 lawhawk

So far, there's no identification of what group this guy may have been involved with/in. He could have been a lone wolf, or a member of an organized terror group. Israeli intel has been following threats to Israeli interests in Bulgaria among other places - coming from Hizbullah/Iran. Whether that link is sustained is an open question based on the information released thus far.

This seems to be the same guy that was warned about a few weeks ago. The original warning was regarding a plot to bomb a plane for the Olympics. Some of the speculation was that he was outed to scuttle his plan, looks like he found another target.


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