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New Obama Ad: Romney Will Say Anything

Trafficking in distortion for the right wing base
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The Obama campaign’s new ad is a response to Mitt Romney’s latest distortion of Obama’s words, a distortion now being pushed in full-throated unison by the Romney campaign and every right wing blog and media outlet, as usual. The world’s biggest wingnut echo chamber, all howling at once.

They claim the President said, “If you have a business, you didn’t build it” … leaving out the context of everything he said around those words, which was that business owners need the help of many other people and the government in order to succeed.

This kind of gotcha politics is incredibly tedious, because anyone who can actually read can easily see that the attack dishonestly takes the President’s words out of context, to make it seem like he’s bashing business owners — when he clearly was not.

Could Obama have phrased this better? Probably, but note that the words immediately before and after the cherry-picked phrase make his meaning extremely clear. Instead of focusing on whether the President “misspoke,” the question should really be: “How does Mitt Romney keep getting away with such blatant dishonesty?”

The exact quote from President Obama’s speech, in full: Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

Notice that Obama’s real point was that if you have a business, you didn’t build the “unbelievable American system” or the “roads and bridges” — the support network — that allowed you to thrive. And he goes on to say explicitly that we do “succeed because of our individual initiative.”

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1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:46:41am

politicans!!!

2 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:49:32am

So Romney's folks say that Obama will say anything to win, and Obama's folks say that Romney will say anything to win.

Is there a "none of the above" option on the ballot in more states than just Nevada? I sometimes seriously believe that I would prefer the office to remain vacant for four years and see what happens, to gauge if it would be any better than the system we have right now.

3 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:49:51am
“How does Mitt Romney keep getting away with such blatant dishonesty?”

Because those folks who aren't holding their noses and voting for him so that their "team" can win in November are getting their news filtered through a media trying to keep this a horse race right up til Election Day by any means necessary.

4 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:50:45am

Bottom line:

5 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:52:08am

That was quick. Really, I love how Romney whines about the attacks on his actual record at Bain but he has no problem twisting the president's words for a cheap political attack and dogwhistle to those who believe that Obama doesn't believe in free enterprise. And for what it's worth. Obama was absolutely right.

6 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:52:59am

re: #2 GunstarGreen

That's dumber than a bag of wet mice.

7 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:53:50am

re: #6 Obdicut

That's dumber than a bag of wet mice.

I might make a t-shirt of that.

Can I quote you?

8 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:54:57am

re: #7 ggt

What will you use for an illustration?

9 b_snark  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:55:12am

re: #2 GunstarGreen

So Romney's folks say that Obama will say anything to win, and Obama's folks say that Romney will say anything to win.

Is there a "none of the above" option on the ballot in more states than just Nevada? I sometimes seriously believe that I would prefer the office to remain vacant for four years and see what happens, to gauge if it would be any better than the system we have right now.

The False Equivalency Fairy just stomped all over your comment. You need to clean up the residual mess.

10 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:55:45am

Romney agrees with Obama...

From Think Progress:
ROMNEY: I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that Mr. President! This is what’s happening in this country. These people are entrepreneurs.
Ugh.
I said it yesterday, he needs a better team.

11 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:56:31am

re: #7 ggt

I heard it from Rich Hall.

Image: RichHall081008_450x345.jpg

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:57:13am

The exact quote from President Obama's speech, in full: Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia:

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business -- you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together.

Notice that Obama's real point was that if you have a business, you didn't build the "unbelievable American system" or the "roads and bridges" that allowed you to thrive. And he goes on to say explicitly that we do "succeed because of our individual initiative."

13 darthstar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:57:24am

re: #10 OhNoZombies!

Romney agrees with Obama...

Why do I get the feeling Romney watches Obama and says, "Ooh, that sounds good, I think I'll say it myself then claim he said the opposite."

14 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:57:27am

The top Google search result for "you people" is already Ann Romney.

15 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:57:30am

re: #4 darthstar

Bottom line:

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They're not worried about transparency, certainly weren't when Dubya was in office, or when Reagan during Iran-Contra. This bitching about "transparency" is, as usual, just something they're throwing out there in the hopes that they can distract from the very real questions about Romney and Bain.

16 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:57:56am

re: #10 OhNoZombies!

Romney agrees with Obama...

From Think Progress:
ROMNEY: I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that Mr. President! This is what’s happening in this country. These people are entrepreneurs.
Ugh.
I said it yesterday, he needs a better team.

I think he's fucking stupid or that dishonest. Again, I love how he's been demanding that Obama apologize for attacking his record at Bain but he and his team had no problem whatsoever distorting what was actually said. It's part of politics but goddamnit Mitt don't do this kind of shit and then act like your record at Bain actually being scrutinized is one of the worst attacks ever.

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:57:56am

re: #8 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

What will you use for an illustration?

A dead fuzzy thing from the garden.

18 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:59:10am

re: #14 Big Joe

The top Google search result for "you people" is already Ann Romney.

That is really going to hurt the campaign. I don't think THOSE PEOPLE really understand how deeply it cuts.

19 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:59:30am

re: #13 darthstar

That's probably exactly what he does !

20 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:59:46am

re: #12 Charles Johnson

The exact quote from President Obama's speech, in full: Remarks by the President at a Campaign Event in Roanoke, Virginia:

Notice that Obama's real point was that if you have a business, you didn't build the "unbelievable American system" or the "roads and bridges" that allowed you to thrive. And he goes on to say explicitly that we do "succeed because of our individual initiative."

It was a great point all around. I don't think I would have fallen in love with history if not for some great teachers and professors along the way. Same thing with literature.

21 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 10:59:49am

re: #2 GunstarGreen

So Romney's folks say that Obama will say anything to win, and Obama's folks say that Romney will say anything to win.

Is there a "none of the above" option on the ballot in more states than just Nevada? I sometimes seriously believe that I would prefer the office to remain vacant for four years and see what happens, to gauge if it would be any better than the system we have right now.

I may be wrong, but I dont recall Obama ads taking a Romney statement completely out of context

There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn’t -- look, if you’ve been successful, you didn’t get there on your own. You didn’t get there on your own. I’m always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don’t do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

The whole context and what Romney used in bold.

22 b_snark  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:00:19am

re: #10 OhNoZombies!

Romney agrees with Obama...

From Think Progress:
ROMNEY: I know that you recognize a lot of people help you in a business. Perhaps the bank, the investors. There is no question your mom and dad, your school teachers. The people who provide roads, the fire, the police. A lot of people help. But let me ask you this. Did you build your business? If you did, raise your hand. Take that Mr. President! This is what’s happening in this country. These people are entrepreneurs.
Ugh.
I said it yesterday, he needs a better team.

Romney needs to be made of something other than Playdoh.

23 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:00:32am

Bradlee Dean: 1.7% of Americans 'Are Responsible for All the Bad Things Going On in This Country'

Fresh after losing his lawsuit against Rachel Maddow and facing an order to pay her legal fees, rocker and right-wing activist Bradlee Dean spoke to talk show host Steve Deace this week, where Dean alleged that God is judging America for the crimes of an immoral minority and that “less than 1.7 percent of the people are the ones that are responsible for all the bad things going on in this country.” Dean did not say who constitutes the 1.7 percent, but he may be referring to a survey finding that 1.7 percent of Americans identify as gay or lesbian.

Dean: If God will establish this country through 56 signers that laid down their all for me and you, read the end of the Declaration of Independence, and less than 3% of this country to establish against the mightiest power in the world, at that time the British Empire, he can do it for us too. But what we see today is that less than 3 percent of America is being used to judge 300 million people, less than 1.7 percent of the people are the ones that are responsible for all the bad things going on in this country.

Dean and Deace also agreed that the Democratic Party, in Deace’s words, “now exists only for child-killers and those that are pedaling moral depravity” as “the entire leftist apparatus in this country have been taken over by the pro-sodomy groups and the abortion groups.” Dean went on to claim that during his performances at schools, which are supposed to send messages against drug abuse, he talks to students about why they should oppose homosexuality and abortion:

24 diamonda2u  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:01:13am

"Instead of focusing on whether the President “misspoke,” the question should really be: “How does Mitt Romney keep getting away with such blatant dishonesty?”

Because among that core base there is more hatred against "that one" sitting in the White House (and lets stop beating around the bush as to why they hate him, to these core people it's the WHITE House, meant for a certain type of person, period). For this reason, they will back a compulsive liar and greed controlled leech.

25 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:01:48am

re: #9 b_sharp

The False Equivalency Fairy just stomped all over your comment. You need to clean up the residual mess.

Not really. They've both had campaign ads or statements to that effect, so it's a true statement that both camps have said it. I made no judgement call as to which is more true than the other, or whether either was true at all, because that's immaterial to my point. That being that modern political campaigns are the adult version of children arguing on a playground, and I often feel that anyone that would engage in such a thing is unfit for the office.

Has Obama been better about it than Romney has? I think so. But it's essentially saying that one screeching child is slightly quieter than another.

26 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:05:11am

re: #25 GunstarGreen

Not really. They've both had campaign ads or statements to that effect, so it's a true statement that both camps have said it. I made no judgement call as to which is more true than the other, or whether either was true at all, because that's immaterial to my point. That being that modern political campaigns are the adult version of children arguing on a playground, and I often feel that anyone that would engage in such a thing is unfit for the office.

Has Obama been better about it than Romney has? I think so. But it's essentially saying that one screeching child is slightly quieter than another.

If that's what you're going to base your vote (or lack of vote) on, you must not have too many other worries in your life.

27 gwangung  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:05:49am

re: #25 GunstarGreen

Not really. They've both had campaign ads or statements to that effect, so it's a true statement that both camps have said it. I made no judgement call as to which is more true than the other, or whether either was true at all, because that's immaterial to my point.

No, it isn't.

The fact that you could reduce both camps to childish screeching could be true...or it could be a tone-deaf unintelligent appeal to the "They Both DO It airy" if they are NOT, in fact equivalent.

CONTENT MATTERS. And your blithe ignorance of content does a disservice to the discussion.

In other words, try again. You made an intellectually lazy argument. Put some real intellectual effort into the next one.

28 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:06:29am

re: #14 Big Joe

The top Google search result for "you people" is already Ann Romney.

Just remember she can't even be given credit for creating the mem because H. Ross Perot already used it 20 years ago.

29 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:06:46am

Barton, Green & Barber Agree: Not Voting for Romney is a Sin

Barber: We are admonished in Scripture to be wise as serpents and innocent as doves. Now the wise thing to do is to go in and support Mitt Romney because, again, the alternative is catastrophic.

Green: Absolutely. And like you said, not voting is not only a dereliction of duty, it's really anti-Biblical. It's actually being the servant, remember the parable where they gave the talents? It's being the one that buried their talent. Well that was described in the Bible as being a wicked and slothful servant. I don't want to be that one, man, I want to be one of the other guys.

Barber: Well, absolutely. Well, it's worse than that; not voting is essentially a vote for Barack Obama because it fails to cancel out a vote for Barack Obama so it's absolutely a dereliction of duty.

...

Barton: I don't care if Romney calls himself a Mormon [and] Obama calls himself a Christian. Here's my question: where are you on judges, because Isaiah 1:26 says the righteousness of a land is determined by the judges of the land. Who's more biblical on judges? Romney or Obama?

Green: No question, Romney.

Barton: Let's ask marriage, who's more biblical on marriage? Romney or Obama?

Green: Romney, no question.

Barton: Let's ask where we are on the life issue, who's more biblical? Romney or Obama?

Green: Not even close. Obama supports infanticide he's so pro-abortion. Romney has become very pro-life.

Barton: We know the free enterprise system was started out of five verses in the Bible, the whole economic system that God created we used in America. Who's more biblical on the free enterprise system, Obama or Romney?

Green: Obama's a socialist without question on free enterprise. Romney's a great example on true biblical free enterprise.

Barton: So why do we have a question here? Because he's a Mormon? Hey, we've got to get past labels. Just like Obama's Christian label means nothing, Romney's Mormon label means nothing. What matters is the fruit, which one is going to produce more biblical fruit ...

There's only two options Christians have. Christians do not have the option of sitting this one out. You do not have that option, it is not a possibility. You will stand before God and He will say "I gave you your vote, what did you do with your vote?" And we can't just say "well, I chose to sit this one out."

Green: Especially in a situation like this where so much is at stake. What's the verse, when you know what to do and you do nothing? That's sin!

Barton: James 4:17; when you know what's right to do and you don't do it, that is sin.

30 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:07:46am

i'm a sinner, I admit it.

I am powerless over Obama.

31 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:09:31am

I doubt if Barton, Barber or Green could answer the riddle of steel. SINNERS!

32 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:09:33am

re: #29 Kragar

Green: Obama's a socialist without question on free enterprise. Romney's a great example on true biblical free enterprise.

Holy shit.

Real shit, fake holy.

33 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:09:43am

re: #29 Kragar

Green: Obama's a socialist without question on free enterprise. Romney's a great example on true biblical free enterprise.

Get thee behind me.

34 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:10:47am
35 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:11:25am

re: #31 Kragar

I doubt if Barton, Barber or Green could answer the riddle of steel. SINNERS!

Kragar, what is best in life?

36 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:11:56am

My favorite line:

Barton: We know the free enterprise system was started out of five verses in the Bible, the whole economic system that God created we used in America. Who's more biblical on the free enterprise system, Obama or Romney?

37 b_snark  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:11:59am

re: #30 ggt

i'm a sinner, I admit it.

I am powerless over Obama.

'Sin' is meaningless, so being a sinner is like being a homeopath.

38 Neutral President  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:12:00am

re: #29 Kragar

Obama's a socialist without question on free enterprise. Romney's a great example on true biblical free enterprise.

Obama is a socialist in the same way that the Holy Roman Empire was holy, Roman, and an Empire.

39 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:13:10am

re: #27 gwangung

No, it isn't.

The fact that you could reduce both camps to childish screeching could be true...or it could be a tone-deaf unintelligent appeal to the "They Both DO It airy" if they are NOT, in fact equivalent.

CONTENT MATTERS. And your blithe ignorance of content does a disservice to the discussion.

In other words, try again. Put some real intellectual effort into it.

Please don't insult my (apparent lack of) intelligence. There are plenty of "Wow, Romney really is an asshole, huh?" comments that get updinged or are otherwise given a pass-over with no negative comment. I also believe Romney is an enormous asshole, but don't try to say that involves 'real intellectual effort' by comparison. You're better than that, as is just about everyone else here.

This isn't about what Obama said or the context of it (Obama was right, by the way, and the context isn't even needed if one puts any modicum of thought into how society works -- but then, that was never a Republican strong suit), but of how America has allowed its political discourse to decline to this state. See also the various comments I've made in recent days, getting more and more enraged that this sort of campaign-as-schoolyard-bickering theater has been allowed to happen.

I think this nation deserves better than that. I guess that's tone-deaf.

40 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:13:20am

re: #35 Targetpractice

Kragar, what is best in life?

That is not the riddle of steel, but allow me to answer your question... IN SONG!

41 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:13:49am

I don't think Barton even believes his crap anymore. He just wants to convince an audience out there who believes that Jesus Christ spoke English and looked down on the less fortunate and damned gays and anyone not like him to hell.

42 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:14:39am

re: #29 Kragar

Who's more biblical on the free enterprise system, Obama or Romney?

Green: Obama's a socialist without question on free enterprise. Romney's a great example on true biblical free enterprise.

You know that Jesus guy? He was kind of a socialist.

43 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:15:29am

re: #37 b_sharp

'Sin' is meaningless, so being a sinner is like being a homeopath.

or a heteropath?

:)

44 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:15:39am

re: #42 Learned Mother of Zion

You know that Jesus guy? He was kind of a socialist.

He couldn't be a socialist. Remember when he charged up front before he turned the water to wine?

45 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:16:08am

re: #39 GunstarGreen

I think this nation deserves better than that. I guess that's tone-deaf.

It sounds like pearl-clutching to me.

46 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:16:11am

re: #44 Targetpractice

He couldn't be a socialist. Remember when he charged up front before he turned the water to wine?

Jesus was a witch?

47 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:17:10am

re: #44 Targetpractice

He couldn't be a socialist. Remember when he charged up front before he turned the water to wine?

"Sure, I could heal your leprosy, but you'll have to pay me up front."

48 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:17:10am

Bachmann deemed too crazy for the nuthouse...
Boehner stands by Huma Abedin, calls Bachmann's accusations 'dangerous'

Calling the accusations from conservative Republican members of Congress against a top Muslim aide to Hillary Rodham Clinton “pretty dangerous,” House Speaker John A. Boehner became the second top GOP elected official to stand by Huma Abedin, the Secretary of State’s longtime adviser.

“From everything that I know of her, she has a sterling character,” Boehner said Thursday. “Accusations like this being thrown around are pretty dangerous.”

49 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:17:38am

re: #46 ggt

Jesus was a witch?

Does he weigh as much as a duck?

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:18:02am

re: #49 Kragar

Does he weigh as much as a duck?

Well he walked on water . . .

51 iossarian  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:18:12am

re: #39 GunstarGreen

Basically, I agree with you. It sucks that we are reduced to arguing with four-year-olds.

I'm also not going to play the blame game. What's the point?

But, not playing hardball politics is basically how we have got to the point where it is more or less illegal to teach evolution as fact in certain states of America.

Time to fight or give up.

52 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:18:24am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Bachmann deemed too crazy for the nuthouse...
Boehner stands by Huma Abedin, calls Bachmann's accusations 'dangerous'

Good on Boehner for condemning that crap.

53 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:18:52am

re: #39 GunstarGreen

I think that my friend Sean deserves to be recognized as a great poet and have his works read in colleges.

I think a lot of stuff.

But thinking that the office of the president being empty is a good idea is still dumber than bag of wet mice.

54 brennant  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:18:52am

re: #52 HappyWarrior

Good on Boehner for condemning that crap.

Boehner standing?

55 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:19:08am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Bachmann deemed too crazy for the nuthouse...
Boehner stands by Huma Abedin, calls Bachmann's accusations 'dangerous'

Not all the nuthouse

Tea Party Nation Defends Bachmann's Anti-Muslim Witch Hunt

Michele Bachmann is a lightning rod for controversy. But there is an interesting point to all of it. Controversy always swirls around her when she is standing up for the truth. What is she doing now that is causing controversy and why is she right?

Michele Bachmann called for an investigation into the activities of the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamists who are influencing American policy.

Unfortunately some Republicans, the drive by media and Islamist sympathizers have changed the story to where it is not about the Muslim Brotherhood, a known terrorist organization, but to a story about Huma Abedin.

The Obama Regime releases report after report that names potential terrorists as Tea Party supporters, those who oppose the Obama Regime and those who advocate closing the borders and stopping illegal immigration.

Yet they will not even use the word Islam when they describe terrorism.

The fact is Islam is our enemy. Islam is a theocracy. It is not consistent with a Western Democracy. Islam demands its adherents overthrow a non-Islamic government and replace it with an Islamic government.

This has been the story of Islam wherever it has gained power for the last fifteen hundred years.

During the Cold War, Communists and Soviet sympathizers were not allowed into sensitive positions in government, except of course during Democrat administrations. When we have Islamist groups, such as the Muslim Brotherhood that want to replace our Democracy with a theocracy and this is their avowed goal, what the hell are we doing letting them anywhere near the door?

John McCain needs to sit down and shut up. Perhaps he should buy a clue about a subject before he starts talking about it.

The Islamist threat to America and to freedom is real. The question is are we going to deal with it before we are attacked again?

56 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:19:25am

re: #26 wrenchwench

If that's what you're going to base your vote (or lack of vote) on, you must not have too many other worries in your life.

My vote is, always has been, and always will be based upon the idea that people are more important than money, and social liberty is more important than economic liberty, with the understanding that both would always be preferred to sacrificing one for the other and that government has a legitimate role to play in protecting its citizens from abuses.

That said, I would hope you can understand wishing that elected officials were held to a higher behavioral standard than kindergarteners.

57 jaunte  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:19:25am
Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

Just drop a job creator alone into the Empty Quarter of Saudi Arabia, and see how well they do.

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:20:11am

re: #55 Kragar

Not all the nuthouse

Tea Party Nation Defends Bachmann's Anti-Muslim Witch Hunt

Bachmann is going to be on the SPLC Hate Watch before long, right under Crazy Pam.

You can tell by the eyes. . . .

59 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:20:15am

re: #36 Kragar

They're right, because when you read the Bible upside down it says Jesus hated socialism. That long haired, sandal-wearing hippie loved him some money-changers!//

60 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:20:30am

re: #49 Kragar

Does he weigh as much as a duck?

Tis a fair cop.

/

61 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:20:33am

Wow. Just...wow.

Utah GOP Fundraiser Accused Of Raping Women At Cabin Where He Hosted Political Events

Utah authorities on Wednesday accused a high-profile Republican fundraiser of raping women at a cabin where he hosted events for some of the biggest names in politics in the state.

The Salt Lake Tribune reported on Thursday that prosecutors charged GOP fundraiser Greg Peterson with 23 felony counts, including the rapes of four women. Jail records online showed that he was still being held on $750,000 bond.

62 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:20:44am

it's supposed to be a republican presidential campaign, but it's looking more and more like an extended lesson in Things That Are Wrong With American Corporate Practices Today

63 Charles Johnson  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:22:13am

LGF was briefly on the first page of Google search results for "you people:"

[Link: www.google.com...]

The list of results seems to change every time I reload it. Ann Romney's statement really hit a viral sour note.

64 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:22:29am

My current audio book is The Power Broker by Robert Caro. WooWEE--10 downloads. Robert Caro sure can write and it's enjoyable.

Learning about Tammany Hall.

65 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:22:36am

re: #48 Killgore Trout

Bachmann deemed too crazy for the nuthouse...
Boehner stands by Huma Abedin, calls Bachmann's accusations 'dangerous'

Boehner, standing up for some decency in congress? Color me impressed, I would have expected him to defend Bachmann to the death.

Hopefully this is a sign of the GOP starting to realize that coddling crazies doesn't help their case.

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:23:45am

re: #64 ggt

My current audio book is The Power Broker by Robert Caro. WooWEE--10 downloads. Robert Caro sure can write and it's enjoyable.

Learning about Tammany Hall.

I did have a point . . .

Which was --from all my readings --from the 1768 to the Present Day --politics is politics. Only the names and the method of disseminating propoganda seem to change.

67 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:24:07am

re: #65 GunstarGreen

Boehner, standing up for some decency in congress? Color me impressed, I would have expected him to defend Bachmann to the death.

Hopefully this is a sign of the GOP starting to realize that coddling crazies doesn't help their case.

A little late if they are trying to sway the election.

68 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:24:07am

re: #65 GunstarGreen

Boehner, standing up for some decency in congress? Color me impressed, I would have expected him to defend Bachmann to the death.

Hopefully this is a sign of the GOP starting to realize that coddling crazies doesn't help their case.

That or it's just a further sign that Boehner may be reaching his wits end with the Tea Party.

69 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:24:14am

FRC VP Boykin Wonders if Obama is a Muslim Brotherhood Member

I wonder if Boykin has 2 functional braincells

70 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:26:25am
71 dragonath  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:27:09am

Did the Obama campaign run an ad highlighting Romney's "I love firing people" joke? I'm pretty sure they didn't . That was far more in context than this "you didn't build that" controversy.

72 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:27:13am

re: #64 ggt

My current audio book is The Power Broker by Robert Caro. WooWEE--10 downloads. Robert Caro sure can write and it's enjoyable.

Learning about Tammany Hall.

absolutely fascinating and very informative book. if it has any flaw, it's that many parts are written in letters of purest vitriol

after reading it, i have never been able to view the highways snaking in and out of american cities the same with the same eyes...

73 RadicalModerate  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:31:48am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

LGF was briefly on the first page of Google search results for "you people:"

[Link: www.google.com...]

The list of results seems to change every time I reload it. Ann Romney's statement really hit a viral sour note.

Would posting the pic with Robert Downey Jr.'s OTHER famous line from "Tropic Thunder" in response to Ann Romney get me in trouble? Because I think it is extremely appropriate here.

74 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:32:02am

re: #29 Kragar

Barton, Green & Barber Agree: Not Voting for Romney is a Sin

Ok boys, READ THE BIBLE.

In case you don't know, there's only ONE GUY that gets to decide what's Sin and what isn't and it's none of you three.

75 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:32:04am

Mike Huckabee: Keeping Gays Out Of Boy Scouts Will Protect Boys From Abuse

Using Huck's logic, keeping women from marrying dumb ass southern hicks like him would protect them from abuse as well.

76 Randall Gross  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:32:19am

re: #34 Charles Johnson

[Embedded content]

The reason Barton and others are stumping for Mitt with hellfire and damnation is that there are religious right wingnuts in the GOP still waging an anti-mormon war vs. Mitt - they side with him to try to cement the base better. Good luck on that.

77 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:32:47am

re: #29 Kragar

Barton, Green & Barber Agree: Not Voting for Romney is a Sin

Perfectly willing on this end to start revoking some tax-exempt statuses.

78 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:33:20am

I eagerly anticipate Ann Romney's spinning/backpedaling on the actual meaning of "you people".

I'm sure she'll say it was targeted at "nasty Liberals".

79 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:33:34am

re: #77 erik_t

Perfectly willing on this end to start revoking some tax-exempt statuses.

More than willing.

80 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:34:08am

re: #75 Kragar

Mike Huckabee: Keeping Gays Out Of Boy Scouts Will Protect Boys From Abuse

Using Huck's logic, keeping women from marrying dumb ass southern hicks like him would protect them from abuse as well.

Didn't they once say sending boys to Church would also protect them?

81 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:34:33am

re: #71 Fred Galt

Did the Obama campaign run an ad highlighting Romney's "I love firing people" joke? I'm pretty sure they didn't . That was far more in context than this "you didn't build that" controversy.

romney is proving material faster than the obama campaign can use it

82 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:36:05am

re: #77 erik_t

Perfectly willing on this end to start revoking some tax-exempt statuses.

I've been willing to revoke the tax-exempt status of every major religion for ages now. It's ludicrious that these people can involve themselves in politics and not have to pay the admission fees first.

83 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:36:15am

re: #64 ggt

I have a dog eared copy that I got from my dad. It's standard reading if you want to understand NYC infrastructure, but it's a great read on politics, bureaucracies, and personalities.

84 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:36:42am

"you people"

generally i have found this is not a good phrase to use in any context

85 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:37:12am

Romney Adviser Stumped On How Romney Would Reduce The Debt

Romney hasn't shown the guy what is in the magic chest yet.

86 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:37:51am

re: #82 Lidane

I've been willing to revoke the tax-exempt status of every major religion for ages now. It's ludicrious that these people can involve themselves in politics and not have to pay the admission fees first.

Well, yes, I agree. But they're trampling all over even the generous line in the sand that exists.

87 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:38:10am

I know the idea is generally frowned upon, but I think we seriously need to consider placing some qualifications in place for those who seek elective office. For example:

- MUST release AT LEAST 7 years of tax returns
- MUST agree to participate in AT LEAST 3 public debates (one Televised)
- MUST agree to full public disclosure of campaign donors, both individual and group
- Not convicted of any crime within the past 10 years.
- Must publicly release previous 10 years employment history, but need only contain employer names and dates employed.

I know this is a pipe dream, but the reasoning behind it is sound: WE NEED MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

88 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:38:11am

re: #84 engineer cat

"you people"

generally i have found this is not a good phrase to use in any context

What she actually said was Ewe people, meaning a certain ethnic group living in Ghana and Togo.

89 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:39:11am

re: #88 Kragar

What she actually said was Ewe people, meaning a certain ethnic group living in Ghana and Togo.

Sure it wasn't: Ewww, people!

90 Targetpractice  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:39:22am

re: #85 Kragar

Romney Adviser Stumped On How Romney Would Reduce The Debt

Romney hasn't shown the guy what is in the magic chest yet.

Romney's starting to mirror Kerry, ala the "I can't tell you my plan until I'm elected" bit. Because it leaves only two possibilities: The plan would piss off the electorate or he has no plan.

91 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:39:57am

re: #87 dragonfire1981

I know this is a pipe dream, but the reasoning behind it is sound: WE NEED MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

The truly vicious credibility gap lies at the feet of the media. It's not something than could or should be solved by levying these sorts of requirements.

92 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:40:57am

re: #81 engineer cat

I'm waiting for the ad that points out where Romney said Obama was out of touch because he doesn't know when to send jobs overseas. That should go over well here in OH.
He said this in an interview on fox news but I'm not willing to link to it.

93 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:41:22am
94 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:41:40am

Blast from the past: "I have a secret plan to get us out of Vietnam." As another potential thug once said.

95 leftynyc  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:42:27am

re: #32 wrenchwench

Holy shit.

Real shit, fake holy.

WTF is biblical free enterprise?

96 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:43:17am

Romney Adviser Stumped On How Romney Would Reduce The Debt

i'm old enough to remember when ronald reagan was going to lower taxes, increase defense spending, and balance the budget, and i was just a Typical Liberal Who Doesn't Understand Economics if i didn't understand how that was gonna work

97 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:44:22am

re: #83 lawhawk

I have a dog eared copy that I got from my dad. It's standard reading if you want to understand NYC infrastructure, but it's a great read on politics, bureaucracies, and personalities.

I particularly enjoy Caro's ability to intertwine history with his narrative. I learned so much about the US and Texas in his LBJ series. Geography even, somehow he is able to include so much information and keep it from being dry and academic.

He is an excellent journalist.

98 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:45:22am

re: #75 Kragar

Mike Huckabee: Keeping Gays Out Of Boy Scouts Will Protect Boys From Abuse

Using Huck's logic, keeping women from marrying dumb ass southern hicks like him would protect them from abuse as well.

Right, like at Penn state.

99 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:46:11am

re: #63 Charles Johnson

I sometimes can't believe how fast the Pages feature gets good Pages to the top of Page 1. Great work there.

100 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:46:13am

Teen brutally beaten by men yelling anti-gay slurs

A Louisville, Kentucky teen is recovering at home after being injured in an attack by a group of adults.

Her family believes she's a victim of a hate crime.

The girl, who suffered several injuries including a broken jaw, was with two younger boys when the attack happened.

They said the adults yelled anti-gay slurs at the girl before she was beaten.

"Her jaw is broken in several places and she has to have a plate put in her jaw," said
family friend Brenda Hickerson. "She has teeth knocked out of her mouth and she has scrapes and bruises."

It takes a real manly man to gang up to beat up a teenage girl. Fucking scum.

101 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:46:32am

re: #97 ggt

I particularly enjoy Caro's ability to intertwine history with his narrative. I learned so much about the US and Texas in his LBJ series. Geography even, somehow he is able to include so much information and keep it from being dry and academic.

He is an excellent journalist.

one of my favorite passages is where the electric lights start to go on in poor rural farmhouses all over texas

102 erik_t  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:46:52am

re: #100 Kragar

Teen brutally beaten by men yelling anti-gay slurs

It takes a real manly man to gang up to beat up teenage girl. Fucking scum.

Guess they weren't tough enough to take her one-on-one.

103 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:48:16am

re: #101 engineer cat

one of my favorite passages is where the electric lights start to go on in poor rural farmhouses all over texas

I was thinking the other day that if Rick Perry were in office at that time, rural Texas would still be without electricity . . . .

104 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:49:19am

re: #102 erik_t

Guess they weren't tough enough to take her one-on-one.

Fricking Colorado Taliban.

105 engineer cat  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:49:32am

re: #87 dragonfire1981

I know the idea is generally frowned upon, but I think we seriously need to consider placing some qualifications in place for those who seek elective office. For example:

- MUST release AT LEAST 7 years of tax returns
- MUST agree to participate in AT LEAST 3 public debates (one Televised)
- MUST agree to full public disclosure of campaign donors, both individual and group
- Not convicted of any crime within the past 10 years.
- Must publicly release previous 10 years employment history, but need only contain employer names and dates employed.

I know this is a pipe dream, but the reasoning behind it is sound: WE NEED MORE ACCOUNTABILITY.

- must be able to buy groceries in a supermarket without briefing from aids

...personally, i'd like them to certify that they spent at least one (1) year living entirely on the proceeds of a job in a restaurant or a janitorial position

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:50:15am

re: #104 Kragar

Fricking Colorado Taliban.

shhhh! Michele Bachmann is trying to distract you from them. Keep the focus on the Middle East Taliban. . . .so you won't notice the Whacko's among us.

107 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:50:39am

re: #95 leftynyc

WTF is biblical free enterprise?

That was the moneychangers setting up their stalls in the Temple vicinity. Then there was this guy who started the "Occupy the Temple Precinct"

108 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:51:15am

re: #107 Learned Mother of Zion

That was the moneychangers setting up their stalls in the Temple vicinity. Then there was this guy who started the "Occupy the Temple Precinct"

ROTFLAMO!!!!!

109 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:54:17am

First:
WALL: I think, if you look at the economic numbers, I’m not an economist and I’m not going to play an economist, I think that Mitt Romney has a proven record of bringing economies back. He brought down unemployment as governor, he created jobs as a governor, he was effective as a businessperson overall, and I think you have to apply those concepts. [...] You can’t discount that, and you can’t discount the fact that we have to be able to look at how we begin solving the debt problem and bringing that down, and to do that, number one, is to start with streamlining our tax code, bringing down our marginal tax rate, the regulations that have been overburdensome, and making real true spending cuts.
Then:
WALL: Well, you know, look, I think that overall — [pause] — overall, Gov. Romney has been clear about his plans and about this trip and about what his goals are and I think that when you look at protecting and securing the homeland, I think that that is, that’s something that he has articulated over and over again. I’m not going to get into the details of that, I’m here to talk about, again, once again, the job situation, the economy, growth that we need and what this governor is planning on doing in that regard.

I think I'm a little dumber for having just read that.
Team Romney: They'll take your jobs and your brain cells.

110 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:56:22am

re: #107 Learned Mother of Zion

That was the moneychangers setting up their stalls in the Temple vicinity. Then there was this guy who started the "Occupy the Temple Precinct"

Heh.

111 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:56:51am

re: #109 OhNoZombies!

Team Romney: They'll take your jobs and your brain cells.

Oh, no! Zombies!

112 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:57:59am

Factcheck busts Romney again...

113 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 11:59:27am

bbl

114 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:01:24pm

re: #95 leftynyc

WTF is biblical free enterprise?

Money lending in the temple.

115 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:01:46pm

Romney adviser: He's just better than Obama, we're not giving any specifics!

116 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:02:06pm

re: #107 Learned Mother of Zion

That was the moneychangers setting up their stalls in the Temple vicinity. Then there was this guy who started the "Occupy the Temple Precinct"

beat me, I should have scrolled down

117 dragonfire1981  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:02:20pm

re: #107 Learned Mother of Zion

That was the moneychangers setting up their stalls in the Temple vicinity. Then there was this guy who started the "Occupy the Temple Precinct"

That is EPIC. Well done. I am SO stealing that (hope you don't mind)

118 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:05:23pm

re: #115 HappyWarrior

Romney adviser: He's just better than Obama, we're not giving any specifics!

"If you don't elect Romney, you'll never see what is in his magic chest which holds the answers to all life's problems!"

119 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:07:40pm

My husband is the leader of my son's Cub Scout den (or whatever ), and I have asked him to seriously consider leaving that organization. I Some of the best people I know happen to be gay, and some of the worst people happen to claim they are Christians. I do not like the idea of my family supporting this kind of bigotry.
I think he's torn because he was a scout, and my son really likes the time spent with dad, you know doing guy stuff, so I'll have to wear him down gently.
Sad.

120 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:07:46pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

LGF was briefly on the first page of Google search results for "you people:"

[Link: www.google.com...]

The list of results seems to change every time I reload it. Ann Romney's statement really hit a viral sour note.

Wow...looking through those results, I see Mitt himself said basically the same thing on July 13 as reported by Dave Weigel:

Romney: You People Only Need Two Years of My Tax Returns

I know there will always be calls for more. People always want to get more. And, you know, we're putting out what is required plus more that is not required. And those are the two years that people are going to have. And that's -- that's all that's necessary for people to understand something about my finances. And, look, if people believe this should be a campaign about attacking one another on a personal basis and go back to the kinds of attacks that were suggested in some campaigns in the past, I don't want to go there.

121 Big Joe Ghazi  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:10:28pm

Unconfirmed Reports Of Assassination Attempt On Secretary Of State Clinton

Breaking news out of Israel as reports surface that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton’s convoy fell under attack by unknown assailants. The reports indicate that a white Citroen approached her convoy and the men inside opened fire on the motorcade.

Israeli authorities have confirmed that the Clinton motorcade was travelling between the cities of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem at the time of the attack.

122 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:11:09pm

re: #120 blueraven

Wow...looking through those results, I see Mitt himself said basically the same thing on July 13 as reported by Dave Weigel:

Romney: You People Only Need Two Years of My Tax Returns

If he only wants us to look at the last 2 years, that is fine. In the last 2 years, he hasn't run a business, served in the armed forces, or held an elected office, so he has zero real world experience to run for the office of President, plus he is only 2 years old, and that doesn't qualify him to run anyways.

123 leftynyc  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:11:34pm

re: #107 Learned Mother of Zion

That was the moneychangers setting up their stalls in the Temple vicinity. Then there was this guy who started the "Occupy the Temple Precinct"

LOL - you are hilarious!! I just knew there would be a perfectly reasonable explanation.

124 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:11:41pm

re: #120 blueraven

I think the simple English term "you people" is what rings a bell, then when followed by "all you need to know". Combined, they are overwhelmingly patronizing, and given Mitt's recent history of talking down to the hired help at the MS tennis club while they were still in the room, his wife's language definitely conveys the we're-looking-down-at-the-little-people attitude.

125 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:13:47pm

Bill Nye backs President Obama

"This is the most important election of my life," Nye, known as the “science guy” from his 90's kids’ show, told the Foster’s Daily Democrat earlier this week. "And I believe we're at a crossroads — a turning point. We can either move forward, especially in education, or backward. I think voters have a clear choice, so I'm supporting the president."

126 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:13:55pm

re: #124 freetoken

I think the simple English term "you people" is what rings a bell, then when followed by "all you need to know". Combined, they are overwhelmingly patronizing, and given Mitt's recent history of talking down to the hired help at the MS tennis club while they were still in the room, his wife's language definitely conveys the we're-looking-down-at-the-little-people attitude.

True, but "You people" was implied in Mitt's statement as well, he just wasn't as obvious as Anne.

127 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:14:54pm

re: #122 Kragar

If he only wants us to look at the last 2 years, that is fine. In the last 2 years, he hasn't run a business, served in the armed forces, or held an elected office, so he has zero real world experience to run for the office of President, plus he is only 2 years old, and that doesn't qualify him to run anyways.

Pfft. He's a rich, white, straight Republican male. That's all he needs to qualify for POTUS.

/2012 GOP

128 blueraven  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:15:36pm

re: #121 Big Joe

Unconfirmed Reports Of Assassination Attempt On Secretary Of State Clinton

If this is true...lets look at the crazy shit coming from Michelle Bachmann and co, and Glen Beck.

129 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:15:46pm

re: #125 Kragar

Therefor Nye is clearly a socialist, so we can from now on discount his statements about climate change as nothing other than socialist propaganda to take our wealth and destroy America.

See, thinking like a wingnut takes hardly no practice.

130 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:16:49pm

re: #128 blueraven

Speaking of which, I see Bachmann and her cohorts aren't backing down from their claims, in spite of McCain's public rebuke.

131 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:17:20pm

re: #121 Big Joe

Unconfirmed and no other media outlet in Israel has indicated any kind of incident involving Sec. State Clinton's convoy while traveling in Israel. It's largely citing to an Iranian site that in turn claims Israeli news sources reported the incident on the convoy - which happened yesterday.

132 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:18:19pm

I wish someone in a public forum would ask Romney about Bachmann's latest crusade. I wonder if he has the guts to just come out and say Bachmann is out of bounds, of if he'll use it to pander to the wingnuts (as he is doing with Donald Trump.)

133 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:19:51pm

re: #131 lawhawk

Unconfirmed and no other media outlet in Israel has indicated any kind of incident involving Sec. State Clinton's convoy while traveling in Israel. It's largely citing to an Iranian site that in turn claims Israeli news sources reported the incident on the convoy - which happened yesterday.

I'm not seeing anything from news sites either.

134 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:19:56pm

Afternoon sanity break

"You got matches for Mikey?"

135 freetoken  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:21:14pm

Heck, even John the Orange is finding himself having to correct his head of the House Intelligence committee:


John Boehner Goes After Bachmann’s Clinton Aide/Muslim Brotherhood Remarks: ‘Pretty Dangerous’

136 OhNoZombies!  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:21:42pm

re: #129 freetoken

You are gonna have a headache for like three days now.

137 Lidane  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:21:59pm

re: #133 Killgore Trout

I'm not seeing anything from news sites either.

Same here. I'm taking that report with a boulder of salt until I see something more concrete.

138 euphgeek  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:25:26pm
139 HappyWarrior  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:25:31pm

If you asked Romney about Bachmann's latest crazy, he'd give the same answer whenever he's in a tough spot- "Not language I'd use." Was it any real surprise that it was McCain within the Republican ranks that was the first to condemn this witchhunt? McCain for his flaws has always been someone willing to call out the asses in his own party. Romney not so.

140 Kragar  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:27:13pm

Plot Thickens in Alabama Public TV Controversy Involving David Barton's Pseudo-History

Allan Pizatto, who along with fellow manager Pauline Howland was fired by the commission, has now filed a civil suit which “alleges that commissioners violated the state's Open Meetings Act by discussing Pizzato's job performance during a closed executive session.” “The suit also reveals that Pizzato's attorneys have been unable to obtain from the commission's attorneys audio recordings and other related materials from the March and June commission meetings,” Current Public Media reports, “During those meetings, disagreements between Pizzato and commissioners surfaced over religious programming, and commission members imposed a new mission statement for the station.”

According to the lawsuit [pdf], “certain members of the Commission wanted to impose their own personal, political and religious views” on the commission and staff to guide the station’s programming, and at least one commissioner “has publicly expressed support for and aligned himself with a political group with a stated goal of defunding public broadcasting.” The Plaintiff also notes that a mass exodus of staffer and fundraisers followed the firings and that a number of commissioners “made threats against the Plaintiff.”

141 celticdragon  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:32:11pm

re: #2 GunstarGreen

So Romney's folks say that Obama will say anything to win, and Obama's folks say that Romney will say anything to win.

Is there a "none of the above" option on the ballot in more states than just Nevada? I sometimes seriously believe that I would prefer the office to remain vacant for four years and see what happens, to gauge if it would be any better than the system we have right now.

Somebody is shagging the equal balance faery again.

142 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:32:11pm

Update: Swedish, Bulgarian officials deny Mehdi Ghezali is Burgas suicide bomber

Officials reject earlier reports by Bulgarian media that suspect in attack on Israelis in Bulgaria was carried out by Swedish citizen who was a former Guantanamo detainee.

143 dragonath  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 12:33:04pm

re: #138 euphgeek

That looks like Choronzon from Sandman.

144 druid for hire  Thu, Jul 19, 2012 6:05:29pm

re: #15 Targetpractice

They're not worried about transparency, certainly weren't when Dubya was in office, or when Reagan during Iran-Contra. This bitching about "transparency" is, as usual, just something they're throwing out there in the hopes that they can distract from the very real questions about Romney and Bain.

at this point in history any holder of the office of potus will not proceed with transparency regardless of party affiliation. too many bodies.


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Spacecraft could determine their position anywhere in the solar system to within five kilometres using signals from x-ray pulsars, say astronomers. Navigating in space is a tricky business. The usual method relies on Earth-based tracking stations to work out a spacecraft's distance using radio waves, a process that is accurate to within a metre or so. That's fine for the radial distance, but ...

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chadu
4 Reasons ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’ Is Secretly About Drugs
Nice, right? Anyway, here's my thesis: Raiders of the Lost Ark is not an action-adventure movie about an archaeologist who plays by his own rules and saves the day. Instead, the film is an exploration of Marion Ravenwood's crippling drug addiction. An addiction that was born from her unhealthy relationship and continued association with Indiana Jones. Is it true? Who cares. Can I prove ...

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Rebranding, Continued. Governor Can’t Find a Single Latino in Pennsylvania to Work for Him
Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Corbett (R-PA) brushed away a question about Latinos working in his administration during a roundtable discussion at The Union League in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania on Friday, telling the moderator, "If you can find us one let me know": MODERATOR: Do you have staff members that are Latino? CORBETT: No, we do not have any staff members in there. If you can ...

2 days, 10 hours ago
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Vicious Babushka
$40 for Case of Bottled Water? The Free Market at Work in OK
More: $40 for Case of Bottled Water? 'Preying' on Oklahoma Tornado Victims Investigators with the Oklahoma Attorney General's office have already uncovered evidence of businesses taking advantage of the recent tornado's devastation by price-gouging in the weather-ravaged region, including a grocery store accused of charging consumers $40 for a case of water. Oklahoma Attorney General Scott Pruitt told ABC News that 30 investigators from ...

2 days, 13 hours ago
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Political Atheist
There Is No Such Thing Really as Professional Photographers
there's no such thing as Flickr Pro, because today, with cameras as pervasive as they are, there is no such thing really as professional photographers, when there's everything is professional photographers. Certainly there is varying levels of skills, but we didn't want to have a Flickr Pro anymore, we wanted everyone to have professional quality photos, space, and sharing." - Marissa Mayer, Yahoo ...

4 days, 4 hours ago
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thecommodore
WAPO’s Glenn Kessler Gives Three “Pinocchios” To Claim of Doctored Emails
It has long been part of the Washington game for officials to discredit a news story by playing up errors in a relatively small part of it. Pfeiffer gives the impression that GOP operatives deliberately tried to "smear the president" with false, doctored e-mails. But the reporters involved have indicated they were told by their sources that these were summaries, taken from notes ...

4 days, 6 hours ago
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 Frank says:

Star Wars won't work. Star Wars won't work. The gas still gets through; it could get right on you. And what about those germs, now? Star Wars won't work.