Alex Jones Says Aurora Shooting Was Staged By Obama

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Jones sheds some of his patented libertarian conspiracy “truth” on what really happened in Colorado today with the mass shooting which claimed the lives of 12 theater goers. Apparently Obama and the UN drugged the perp and armed him as part of Fast and Furious in order to bring arms control to America. At least that’s my take.

Here’s the video, so if you can translate his brand of craziness better than I can, please feel free to leave a comment.

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390 comments
1 researchok  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 6:47:03pm

This guy is psychotic.

For real.

2 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 7:22:18pm

I'm not entirely sure he is, or if he just peddles this shit for money from people who are legitimately insane.

3 Destro  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 7:25:23pm

He said the same about the Virginia killings in fact I recall Jones was pushing a 2 gunmen theory in Virginia Tech killings and then condemned the victims for not fighting back somehow. Why do I know this? Youtubed it.

Youtube Video
4 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 7:26:27pm

Regardless I still absolutely fucking detest him

5 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 7:27:24pm

These claims were surfacing on the usual sites (WND, The Blaze) very shortly after the event. Lots of maliciously stupid people out there, and Alex Jones knows how to work them.

6 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 7:29:28pm

I would however, play Risk with Jones. Drunk as fuck, I would play Risk with this crazy son of a bitch.

(risk is behind him in the video)

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:45:52pm

SpaceJesus, promoted.

8 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:47:38pm

I would love a list, easily tweetable, that shows the fucks that link to him from their proper websites. Por favor?

9 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:52:43pm

magic dust that makes people do whatever you tell them to. like shoot up a theater in order to promote gun control. but somehow they have yet to use this magic dust on jones in order to get him to sing obama's praises.

10 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:53:43pm

Does his black shirt make him a Fascist?

11 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:55:00pm

re: #10 prairiefire

Does his black shirt make him a Fascist?

It looks sort of dusty like he just crawled through an air duct.

12 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:56:08pm

re: #10 prairiefire

Does his black shirt make him a Fascist?

No, but his lies make him an asshole.

13 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:56:39pm

re: #11 prairiefire

he was probably on the ground wrestling tyranny inside the dusty old warehouse where nasa faked the moon landing

14 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:59:03pm

Here's a typical WND comment about this event:

CrackerKen

By the way - The O (I flatly refuse to write out his name, or say it in conjunction with the title of his office), will surely use this incident to further justify his signing of the UN Small Arms Treaty - count on that. Mayor Bloomy was hollering gun control earlier today. Screw him! The O has also said that he plans to enforce the treaty, even if the Senate refuses to ratify it. At that point, I believe the use of military force to extracate him from office is completely justified.


6 minutes ago 1 Like

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Remember, Joseph Farah and his friends are actively courted by certain Republican candidates and operatives as a strategy to win elections.

For example, Mitt Romney worked the last CPAC begging for support.

And, don't spread any MBF dust over this. President Obama does not go around to hate groups endorsing their tactics and dogmas.

15 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:59:19pm

re: #13 SpaceJesus

he was probably on the ground wrestling tyranny inside the dusty old warehouse where nasa faked the moon landing

Is it Friday night already?

16 dragonath  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 8:59:47pm

If it wasn't for the internet, this guy would be broadcasting on shortwave or something

17 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:02:11pm

re: #7 Charles Johnson

SpaceJesus, promoted.

SpaceJesus has had the most volatile Karma here! And to have a front page article?
*swoons*
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18 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:02:55pm

re: #17 Dancing along the light of day

all part of the conspiracy

19 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:03:10pm

Another one from that same WND article:

nocomment1967

As far as obomo signing that gun treaty July 27th. I do NOT give a damn. I am going to keep my guns, also keep and defend my rights to them.

He is an illegal alien, not eligible to be president anyway,
so anything he signs is legally null and void anyway.

And if he brings in those UN troops he has ordered to enforce the treaty, and confiscate peoples guns, then with my last breath, I will fight to the death, for my God and country! God bless America. Amen.

By the way, thank you father (RIP), I seem to have inherited your sniper skills. Thank God. It looks like I may need them. But I pray to God I will not.

But will use them if I have to, in defense of my God and Country.


14 minutes ago 9 Likes

Yes, really.

This is the stew of hate that Jones, Farah, Beck, etc. have cooked up... they do it for the money, knowing how stupidly malicious some people are.

20 Batman  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:03:47pm

You can tell the government is behind this by the fact that absolutely nothing will be done because of it, just like the dozen or so shootings.

21 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:06:47pm

Hey. It's Matt Drudge's buddy, Alex Jones.

22 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:09:17pm

As I first mentioned on this thread, the nuts over at Beck's site was on this conspiracy angle from the top. For example, note the time stamp on this comment at The Blaze:

SR1911MAN
Posted on July 20, 2012 at 8:25am
Very convenient that this happened right before the July 25th vote on the UN small arms treaty. I say watch for more of this kind of thing to happen until next Wednesday. Big brother might be trying to swing a vote… And there is your crazy (but maybe not) conspiracy theory for the day.

These internet comments may not be a large share of the American populace, but they are a non-trivial minority. There is an entire culture of gun-fetish hate-mongers in this country, highly conspiratorial in mind and very small of morality.

And the GOP actively courts their votes.

23 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:09:55pm

re: #21 Gus

wonder how long it will take matt to link this on his page

24 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:13:39pm

re: #22 freetoken


so basically a whole bunch of jared loughners getting egged on

25 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:18:38pm

re: #19 freetoken

From your link:

I seem to have inherited sniper skills.

ROFLMAO! I've been telling you, these fantasists really think they have major combat skills simply by virtue of bad attitude, will, and being who they are. Here at last is a plain, bald statement of that preposterous belief. It will probably get a few of them killed eventually.

26 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:23:47pm

re: #19 freetoken

Another one from that same WND article:

Yes, really.

This is the stew of hate that Jones, Farah, Beck, etc. have cooked up... they do it for the money, knowing how stupidly malicious some people are.

It's up to 14 likes now and a couple of supporters.

Fascinating.

27 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:24:28pm

One gun fetishist I know, of such stature that he writes for gun magazines, is convinced that a .50 BMG rifle will knock an APC over on its side. Another is sure he could "easily" shoot down a police helicopter with his AR-15. Unlike the anti-armor .50, the latter case is at least possible but it's much more likely he would miss or do minimal damage and either be arrested or shot by the SWAT team the chopper would direct to his lair.

28 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:25:52pm

re: #26 Gus

It's up to 14 likes now and a couple of supporters.

Fascinating.

But predictable.

29 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:26:29pm

re: #28 freetoken

But predictable.

That place is psycho. Quite a collection of grumpy old paranoids.

30 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:30:02pm

re: #29 Gus

That place is psycho. Quite a collection of grumpy old paranoids.

Self selection of a group in action. Farah created WND to build a market for this group, just like Beck did with his organization, etc.

And yes, like other groups, LGF is also self-selected (except where Stinky has to do the de-selecting ex cathedra.) We're a bunch of wanna-be philosopher-poets and geeks, but at least we're not out to vent our hate psychotically.

31 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:32:28pm

re: #27 Shiplord Kirel

One gun fetishist I know, of such stature that he writes for gun magazines, is convinced that a .50 BMG rifle will knock an APC over on its side. Another is sure he could "easily" shoot down a police helicopter with his AR-15. Unlike the anti-armor .50, the latter case is at least possible but it's much more likely he would miss or do minimal damage and either be arrested or shot by the SWAT team the chopper would direct to his lair.

Actually, an M113 APC can be armored sufficiently to defeat all known 12.7x99mm and 12.7X101mm rounds. BAE Systems produces such armoring kits, as well as new-build M113s with that level of protection, right here in the US. Shows how much that man knows.

Full Disclosure: I am employed by a company that produces events that discuss protecting APCs against both ballistic attack and IEDs. I do, therefore, have an interest in those BAE protection packages performing as advertised.

32 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:35:19pm

The UN Small Arms Treaty has the conspiracist right in a righteous froth.

They are morons, utterly innocent of either logic or knowledge.
Snopes has the real scoop.

To begin with, no treaty, even if signed and ratified, could supercede the US Constitution. It's, er, unconstitutional.
Secondly, the proposed treaty would only govern the international sale and trafficking of small arms. Perhaps the conspira-liars don't know what "international" means.
If their conspircist pidgin logic were correct, Obama could outlaw the Republican Party simply by getting his UN cronies to cook up a suitable treaty. I would support a UN treaty to outlaw reality TV, btw, but that won't work either.

33 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:36:09pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

The UN Small Arms Treaty has the conspiracist right in a righteous froth.

They are morons, utterly innocent of either logic or knowledge.
Snopes has the real scoop.

To begin with, no treaty, even if signed and ratified, could supercede the US Constitution. It's, er, unconstitutional.
Secondly, the proposed treaty would only govern the international sale and trafficking of small arms. Perhaps the conspira-liars don't know what "international" means.
If their conspircist pidgin logic were correct, Obama could outlaw the Republican Party simply by getting his UN cronies to cook up a suitable treaty. I would support a UN treaty to outlaw reality TV, btw, but that won't work either.

Speaking of which.

34 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:36:35pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

The UN Small Arms Treaty has the conspiracist right in a righteous froth.

Right up there with Agenda 21 and LotST.

35 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:42:43pm

re: #32 Shiplord Kirel

The UN Small Arms Treaty has the conspiracist right in a righteous froth.

They are morons, utterly innocent of either logic or knowledge.
Snopes has the real scoop.

To begin with, no treaty, even if signed and ratified, could supercede the US Constitution. It's, er, unconstitutional.
Secondly, the proposed treaty would only govern the international sale and trafficking of small arms. Perhaps the conspira-liars don't know what "international" means.
If their conspircist pidgin logic were correct, Obama could outlaw the Republican Party simply by getting his UN cronies to cook up a suitable treaty. I would support a UN treaty to outlaw reality TV, btw, but that won't work either.

Moreover, the treaty stands zero chance of being ratified by the US in the near or mid-term. My bet is that President Obama won't even submit it to the Senate, even if reelected.

36 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:45:27pm

Conspiracists Adopt NRA Talking Points on UN Arms Treaty
Posted in Conspiracies, Extremist Propaganda, New World Order by Leah Nelson on July 19, 2012

Nothing spooks antigovernment conspiracy theorists like the United Nations and its international treaties – particularly when it comes to perceived threats to their right to bear arms.

So naturally, far-right paranoiacs really have their panties in a twist over the proposed Arms Trade Treaty (ATT), which would establish standards for the international trade of weapons.

Since UN talks about the ATT began on July 2, FrontPage Magazine, Andrew Breitbart’s Big Government, WorldNetDaily, and myriad other far-right “news” outlets have issued panicked articles denouncing the treaty as plot to gut the Second Amendment, destroy America, and pave the way for the establishment of a one-world government.

Particularly freaked out is the John Birch Society (JBS), a famously paranoid organization best known for accusing President Dwight D. Eisenhower of being a secret communist and for opining that fluoridated water is a communist plot to poison America.

Continues.

37 jaunte  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:50:10pm

re: #36 Gus

Hatewatch asked if there were any circumstances under which the UN could take away Americans’ guns.

The answer, he said after thinking a moment, is yes.

“If the U.S. population engages in a genocide and the U.S. government needs to call in foreign assistance through the UN, then indeed the perpetrators, presumably through the process of U.S. law, might have their guns taken away,” he said. “And it wouldn’t affect the law-abiding citizens.”

Of course, under UN rules, “If there were a genocide occurring in the United States, in order for there to be UN involvement in the United States, the U.S. would have to agree.”

Apparently, that’s exactly the kind of vision that keeps New World Order conspiracy theorists up at night.

Conspiracy theorists, keeping their options open.

38 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:50:31pm

I notice that it's been now over 2 months since I've posted a Page. It seems my Age of Laziness continues.

39 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:51:28pm

re: #37 jaunte

Conspiracy theorists, keeping their options open.

They're nuts.

40 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:52:14pm

re: #36 Gus

Conspiracists Adopt NRA Talking Points on UN Arms Treaty
Posted in Conspiracies, Extremist Propaganda, New World Order by Leah Nelson on July 19, 2012

The NRA, which should know better, is probably stirring this up for the benefit of its firearms manufacturing and exporting members. These could actually be hurt by the treaty, if it were miraculously ratified and the administration did not choose simply to ignore it when they needed guns sent somewhere. The federal government has long had the authority to license and regulate firearms exports.

41 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:52:16pm

A very different Jones quite nicely sums up much of today's bad craziness

"To look at the the frightened eyes of the survivors in Aurora, and see only our own intrinsic goodness, and our political enemies' implacable evil, is the most impenetrable vanity. It's not politics, it's just tribalism. And it's grotesque."

-Mother Jones

[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

42 ozbloke  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:53:15pm

re: #38 freetoken

I notice that it's been now over 2 months since I've posted a Page. It seems my Age of Laziness continues.

Yes, but you still post great music.
Five Stars * * * * *

43 Kragar  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:56:36pm

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?

This is the level of bullshit they're resorting to?

44 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:56:42pm

re: #42 ozbloke

Yes, but you still post great music.

Increasingly long-haired, though. When one posts some Schoenberg vocal pieces one is playing to a tiny audience.

45 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:58:30pm

re: #43 Kragar

Seriously?

SERIOUSLY?

This is the level of bullshit they're resorting to?

Didn't you hear him? ALL the evidence points towards this being a staged event.

ALL of it!

46 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 9:59:41pm

Opening Statement at the UN Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty

Remarks
Donald A. Mahley
U.S. Ambassador
U.S. Representative to the Arms Trade Treaty Conference
UN Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty
New York City
July 12, 2012

I thank you Mr. President,

It gives me great pleasure to address this gathering on behalf of the United States. Mr. President, the enormous energy, diplomatic skill, and patience that you have demonstrated in leading us up to this point is indeed extraordinary, and I pledge the United States will continue to work closely with you and our colleagues around the room to achieve the consensus on an effective arms treaty in order, as Secretary Clinton clearly stated, “to ensure that all countries can be held to standards that will actually improve the global situation by denying arms to those who would abuse them.”

We seek a treaty that establishes high international standards for controlling the transfer of arms on par with current best practices. A key benefit of having such standards will be to reduce illicit arms trafficking. The international community as a whole suffers from illicit trafficking, which arms repressive regimes, criminal syndicates, and insurgent groups and terrorist organizations, and weakens legitimate governments and the rule of law. So the international community must create additional barriers to the illicit and irresponsible international transfer of arms to those who have little regard for the most fundamental standards of decency and civilization...

47 Kragar  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:00:57pm

re: #45 Mocking Jay

Didn't you hear him? ALL the evidence points towards this being a staged event.

ALL of it!

All the evidence points to Alex Jones being a fucking moron.

48 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:01:02pm

re: #41 SpaceJesus

A very different Jones quite nicely sums up much of today's bad craziness

"To look at the the frightened eyes of the survivors in Aurora, and see only our own intrinsic goodness, and our political enemies' implacable evil, is the most impenetrable vanity. It's not politics, it's just tribalism. And it's grotesque."

-Mother Jones

[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

QTF, as long as that applies both ways. But that's my understanding of it, and Mother Jones is right to say it.

49 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:06:21pm

re: #46 Gus

Opening Statement at the UN Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty

Sign it and ratify it.

50 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:07:10pm

"Notice Bane basically dresses like our cops, but he's supposedly the bad guy."


Uh, I think Alex Jones needs to look into his local police department if they're dressing like this.

Image: Bane-TDKR2.jpg

51 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:07:11pm

re: #48 Dark_Falcon


Ganging up on a wrong idea is good policy, not necessarily tribalism. Once we find out more about where this guy got his ideas, then I think going after them is justified.

52 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:13:35pm

I saw a clip of a fight scene between Batman and the Joker several months ago. Not sure if was a sneak peek. In any case I found it grotesquely violent. This wasn't your ordinary John Wayne -- showing my age -- fist fight. It was extremely viscous and brutal and almost looked like it was accentuated with CGI. That's not healthy for the human mind and society. Yes, Hollywood is part of the problem.

53 bubba zanetti  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:13:57pm

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

I've been telling you, these fantasists really think they have major combat skills simply by virtue of bad attitude, will, and being who they are.

My wingnut cousins were explaining to me how they were ready to start shooting down drones, with the excuse that "they thought it was a UFO".

I didn't have the heart to tell them I could purchase fresh new high resolution satellite imagery of their house every four days. And that's over-the-counter, as a civilian.

54 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:16:17pm

In honor of our coming glorious People's Democracy on July 27th, I present a selection from the Red Poppy Ballet Suite:

MP3 Audio
55 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:16:17pm

re: #52 Gus

I saw a clip of a fight scene between Batman and the Joker several months ago. Not sure if was a sneak peek. In any case I found it grotesquely violent. This wasn't your ordinary John Wayne -- showing my age -- fist fight. It was extremely viscous and brutal and almost looked like it was accentuated with CGI. That's not healthy for the human mind and society. Yes, Hollywood is part of the problem.

Oddly enough a lot of people, myself included, think Nolan sucks ass when he's shooting action scenes. You're right, it is incredibly visceral. I don't agree that it's harmful, but that's another story.

56 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:17:35pm

family who searched all day for their son finds out he is among the victims.

it was his birthday.

[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]

57 bubba zanetti  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:19:17pm

Sigh. This is the only thing making me feel better today:

Youtube Video
58 God of Binders with Women  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:19:49pm

12 dead, 60+ injured, massive horror. Sounds to me like a good time to shut the fuck up, investigate, charge the bastard with twelve counts of murder and let a jury decide.

YOU NEVER LET A CHANCE TO TIE THE KENYAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE TO A MASSIVE CONSPIRACY GO TO WASTE!!!

59 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:22:54pm

re: #51 SpaceJesus

Ganging up on a wrong idea is good policy, not necessarily tribalism. Once we find out more about where this guy got his ideas, then I think going after them is justified.

Yes, but let's save the calls for action till then.

60 God of Binders with Women  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:24:22pm

I laughed out loud (and I mean a good one) when he compared the rarity of these shootings to shark...bites. Not attacks, but bites. "Today in Australia, a surfer lost his life to a Great White Shark bite." LOL.

61 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:27:07pm

At around 3:50 he seems to not understand the concept of propping a door open...

62 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:30:13pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but let's save the calls for action till then.

Nothing will change.
It'll be ignored just like the rest of the mass shooting were.
SOP in America these days.

63 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:31:00pm

re: #59 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but let's save the calls for action till then.

Hey I was bucking for the traditional conservative in #52. I still keep my head on a pivot.

64 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:33:20pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Nothing will change.
It'll be ignored just like the rest of the mass shooting were.
SOP in America these days.

Yeah. Pretty much. Obama won't touch the gun law thing except perhaps lightly. I don't see anything coming from the White House. Most I saw was Senator Lautenberg today pulling out a gun bill of sorts. I'm sure Bernie Sanders will have a lot to say come Monday.

Until next time. It happens again and again. There were several recent mass shooting. Last I remember well was the shooting in Oakland.

65 Kragar  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:34:18pm

If Obama even mentions gun laws, the NRA will start jumping up and down screaming "WE TOLD YOU!!! WE TOLD YOU!!! WE TOLD YOU!!!"

66 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:36:13pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Nothing will change.
It'll be ignored just like the rest of the mass shooting were.
SOP in America these days.

After you lose 3,000 in a single day (9/11) and have seen countless bombings with worse death tolls than today's mass shooting, this sort of mass shooting loses most of its ability to shock.

67 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:36:52pm

re: #65 Kragar

I really wish an amendment to the Constitution could pass Congress and enough states to modify the 2nd amendment, but in our gun and power and fear obsessed culture that is unlikely.

68 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:38:52pm

re: #67 freetoken

I really wish an amendment to the Constitution could pass Congress and enough states to modify the 2nd amendment, but in our gun and power and fear obsessed culture that is unlikely.

Ironically Batman is part of that gun and power and fear obsessed culture.

69 God of Binders with Women  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:39:15pm

Dear Alex Jones,

You have now overtaken me as the Grand Puba of batshit crazy.

Regards,

Pam G.

70 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:39:55pm

Americans also start them young on this culture of violence. Sometimes as young as 4 months it seems.

71 Kragar  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:40:25pm

re: #69 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

Dear Alex Jones,

You have now overtaken me as the Grand Puba of batshit crazy.

Regards,

Pam G.

More likely scenario:

"You think you can out crazy me? Challenge fucking accepted!"

72 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:41:14pm

re: #65 Kragar

If Obama even mentions gun laws, the NRA will start jumping up and down screaming "WE TOLD YOU!!! WE TOLD YOU!!! WE TOLD YOU!!!"

And their tactic would work better than his would in places like Ohio and Florida. The NRA would increase Republican turnout more than any gun control proposal would increase Democratic turnout in the states actively being contested (it doesn't matter what the effect of such a collision in Arizona or Maryland would be, as those states are out of play).

By and large, Americans own guns value their guns highly and are not dissuaded by casualties.

73 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:42:18pm

re: #72 Dark_Falcon

And their tactic would work better than his would in places like Ohio and Florida. The NRA would increase Republican turnout more than any gun control proposal would increase Democratic turnout in the states actively being contested (it doesn't matter what the effect of such a collision in Arizona or Maryland would be, as those states are out of play).

By and large, Americans own guns value their guns highly and are not dissuaded by casualties.

Which is pretty fucked up when you think about it.

74 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:43:10pm

lots of tweets on this. i hope this doesn't get mr. jones sent to the dreaded twitter gulag :(

75 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:43:58pm

The most popular shows on TV remain crimes dramas. For some people, every night is murder night. Then they're obsessed with court room dramas. For non-fiction they're watching 20/20 or Dateline which is always paved with stories from the world of homicides. The bulk of civilization was built upon violence including the French and American revolutions. The US Civil war. In fact the ability to be violent in the human species is one of the reasons we survived... aaaaand, I'm rambling.

76 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:46:31pm

re: #75 Gus

The most popular shows on TV remain crimes dramas. For some people, every night is murder night. Then they're obsessed with court room dramas. For non-fiction they're watching 20/20 or Dateline which is always paved with stories from the world of homicides. The bulk of civilization was built upon violence including the French and American revolutions. The US Civil war. In fact the ability to be violent in the human species is one of the reasons we survived... aaand, I'm rambling.

Would you like me to hit you with a chair???

77 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:48:58pm

re: #73 Varek Raith

Which is pretty fucked up when you think about it.

It's a choice, Varek, and one I largely agree with. I don't see disarmament as a realistic solution; America simply has too many enemies. It would be taken as a sign of weakness and we would be attacked. It likely would weaken us, too. We're going to suffer casualties, the only question who many people die and which people die.

78 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:49:22pm

re: #76 Varek Raith

Would you like me to hit you with a chair???

I am more than willing to stray from the narrative. ;)

79 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:50:21pm

re: #78 Gus

I am more than willing to stray from the narrative. ;)

Which is why Vince McMahon doesn't like you.

///

80 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:50:42pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

It's a choice, Varek, and one I largely agree with. I don't see disarmament as a realistic solution; America simply has too many enemies. It would be taken as a sign of weakness and we would be attacked. It likely would weaken us, too. We're going to suffer casualties, the only question who many people die and which people die.

See?
This is what I'm talking about.
The extreme hyperbole.
I said nothing about disarming.
Sheesh.

81 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:50:52pm

re: #75 Gus

Humans are very aggressive, violent primates with marked territorial natures.

82 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:51:34pm

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

It's a choice, Varek, and one I largely agree with. I don't see disarmament as a realistic solution; America simply has too many enemies. It would be taken as a sign of weakness and we would be attacked. It likely would weaken us, too. We're going to suffer casualties, the only question who many people die and which people die.

We need to focus on the user not the drugs guns. Am I for disarmament? By no means, no. I even believe in CCWs. We do however need to focus on the gun owners, certification, training, licensing, tracking, medical check-ups. I like to think of it as owning an airplane.

83 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:53:09pm

Everything in the Constitution has reasonable limits to them.
Like the 1st.
Why is the 2nd special and to have no limits whatsoever?

84 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:54:41pm

Like restricting someone on a terrorist watch list from buying a gun.
Why did the NRA oppose this?

85 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:55:10pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Well it does have limits, which is why wait-laws, outlawing ownership by psychotics, etc. are upheld in the courts.

86 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:55:20pm

re: #47 Kragar

All the evidence points to Alex Jones being a fucking moron.

We've known that for years though.

He does this nonstop, all the time, every day of the year.

This is nothing special.

My MIL used to go to sleep listening to this. Still may, for all I know.

87 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:56:00pm

re: #85 freetoken

Well it does have limits, which is why wait-laws, outlawing ownership by psychotics, etc. are upheld in the courts.

It has stupidly minimal limits.
Look at why the ATF was unable to stop straw sales during F&F.
It's stupid.

88 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:56:33pm

re: #83 Varek Raith

Everything in the Constitution has reasonable limits to them.
Like the 1st.
Why is the 2nd special and to have no limits whatsoever?

No one is saying it has no limits, Varek. It is entirely proper that all full-auto weapons be registered, and that states be allowed to prohibit something them if they wish. It is also legal for sates do decide if they wish Concealed Carry and if so with what rules.

I did not and have not said "no limits".

Sheesh right back at you, sir. ;)

89 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:57:16pm

We invaded Iraq because of arms -- perhaps they were called WMDs. We want to "bomb Iran", because of, arms, nukes, etc. Using the logic of the anti-UN or sovereign types, then these nations should be allowed to arm themselves. No? Because my answer is yes. Yet why one without the other?

90 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:58:02pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

No one is saying it has no limits, Varek. It is entirely proper that all full-auto weapons be registered, and that states be allowed to prohibit something them if they wish. It is also legal for sates do decide if they wish Concealed Carry and if so with what rules.

I did not and have not said "no limits".

Sheesh right back at you, sir. ;)

You did not.
However, look at what your party and the NRA are doing.

91 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 10:59:41pm

Stand your ground laws. Like that idiotic one if FL.
Brought to you by the NRA.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:00:56pm

re: #51 SpaceJesus

Ganging up on a wrong idea is good policy, not necessarily tribalism. Once we find out more about where this guy got his ideas, then I think going after them is justified.

Proceeding to be a little bitter here. Don't mind me.

His ideas? What are we going to do if he got his ideas from being mentally ill, which is a very strong possibility? If he thinks he's the Joker, what kind of 'idea' is that?

This tragedy is basically being turned into another pretext for a vicious week-long food fight about gun control, after which we will reset to normal, until the next one. I hate to sound cynical, but everyone was ready to go, right away, with their prepackaged response, whether that was "Dear God, we must get rid of these guns" or "Hey, stop blamin' me, I'm a good gun owner, SECOND AMENDMENT FOREVER!!!"

We don't even wait to find out what happened.

And when this is pointed out, what do we say? "But it's important, because the other guys are EVIL."

Sure. Everyone have a ton of fun with that. I'll wait to see how it actually does jack shit for American society.

93 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:01:24pm

Perhaps we won't do anything because this is a white crime.

94 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:01:42pm

Shocking.

95 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:04:40pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

Like restricting someone on a terrorist watch list from buying a gun.
Why did the NRA oppose this?

Let me field this one. The primary reason is as follows:

The Constitution provides that while many rights can be limited or taken away in some cases (especially for the commission of a crime), that may not occur without due process. The terrorist watch list does not operate under due process. Decisions on who is to be added are by necessity made in secret according to undisclosed criteria* and sometimes have resulted in the listing of small children. While those cases were resolved quickly, it is often a prolonged and deeply uncertain proposition to get an adult wrongly put on the list off of it.

*: The reason why the decision making process for who is on the terrorist watch list and what criteria are used is kept secret is simple: If it became known to the public, terrorist organizations would change their behavior to throw us off.

96 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:04:44pm

The right wingers want the shooter to be a left winger and the left wingers want the shooter to be a right winger. You mean like that?

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:04:56pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

No one is saying it has no limits, Varek. It is entirely proper that all full-auto weapons be registered, and that states be allowed to prohibit something them if they wish. It is also legal for sates do decide if they wish Concealed Carry and if so with what rules.

I did not and have not said "no limits".

Sheesh right back at you, sir. ;)

And your party fights any and all attempts at this on the state and fed level.
It's a sham.

98 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:05:24pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Let me field this one. The primary reason is as follows:

The Constitution provides that while many rights can be limited or taken away in some cases (especially for the commission of a crime), that may not occur without due process. The terrorist watch list does not operate under due process. Decisions on who is to be added are by necessity made in secret according to undisclosed criteria* and sometimes have resulted in the listing of small children. While those cases were resolved quickly, it is often a prolonged and deeply uncertain proposition to get an adult wrongly put on the list off of it.

*: The reason why the decision making process for who is on the terrorist watch list and what criteria are used is kept secret is simple: If it became known to the public, terrorist organizations would change their behavior to throw us off.

Rights come with responsibilities.

99 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:05:39pm

re: #96 Gus

The right wingers want the shooter to be a left winger and the left wingers want the shooter to be a right winger. You mean like that?

Yep, like that.

100 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:06:26pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Yep, like that.

Want my opinion?

101 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:06:50pm

This is what got stuck in my head all day.

Youtube Video

I bet you didn't know the Second Amendment could be sung as a round.

102 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:07:24pm

re: #99 Dark_Falcon

Yep, like that.

Would you support mandatory training classes for potential gun owners?

103 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:07:37pm

re: #98 Gus

Rights come with responsibilities.

Yes, but they need to be protected by due process, which the terrorist watch list cannot work under. This is why that proposal was scrapped: It could not be written in such a way as to both be effective against terrorists and pass Constitutional muster.

104 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:08:50pm

re: #95 Dark_Falcon

Let me field this one. The primary reason is as follows:

The Constitution provides that while many rights can be limited or taken away in some cases (especially for the commission of a crime), that may not occur without due process. The terrorist watch list does not operate under due process. Decisions on who is to be added are by necessity made in secret according to undisclosed criteria* and sometimes have resulted in the listing of small children. While those cases were resolved quickly, it is often a prolonged and deeply uncertain proposition to get an adult wrongly put on the list off of it.

*: The reason why the decision making process for who is on the terrorist watch list and what criteria are used is kept secret is simple: If it became known to the public, terrorist organizations would change their behavior to throw us off.

That is true.
Withdrawn.

105 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:09:34pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

We don't know. Breivik was inspired directly from the "anti-jihad" movement. Putting the anti-jihad movement's feet to the fire and shining light on them was a good idea once info of the connection was established. This wasn't tribal, but good policy.

With Holmes, we don't know yet, but there could be a connection with other nefarious toxic subcultures.

106 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:09:41pm

Well, Alex is a little Trust Fund baby here in way far South Austin. Not in the '04, of course, as we wouldn't have him polluting our streets. He's seems just as crazy as a shit house mouse, but it sells.

Capitalism!

As far as the NRA is concerned, handguns are now equated with Mom, apple pie, and little Suzie Creamcheese. I hate the damn things. I've got an old H&K rifle, a shotgun, and a bolt action Rooshin rifle. I've had the H&K for thirty years and haven't shot it in twenty. The shotgun is for attempting to kill doves ("What did you shoot?" "About two boxes!"), and the Rooshin 7.62 X 54 is going to be a deer gun this fall.

This guy's mom wasn't surprised. Why was he able to buy guns?

107 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:09:51pm

re: #103 Dark_Falcon

Yes, but they need to be protected by due process, which the terrorist watch list cannot work under. This is why that proposal was scrapped: It could not be written in such a way as to both be effective against terrorists and pass Constitutional muster.

Yes. The Constitution right now pretty much says we can sell guns to whoever we damn well please.

108 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:11:19pm

In which case we've become a bunch of literalists. So yes. The Constitution is very much like the Old Testament of America. Literalism rules the day.

109 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:11:46pm

re: #108 Gus

In which case we've become a bunch of literalists. So yes. The Constitution is very much like the Old Testament of America. Literalism rules the day.

THE AIR FORCE IS UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

110 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:12:56pm

2nd Amendment jurisprudence is hilarious.

The whole reason we have it is because in the 18th-early 19th century, the state and local militias were the land forces of the United States. It hasn't been that way in generations.

111 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:13:30pm

re: #110 SpaceJesus

2nd Amendment jurisprudence is hilarious.

The whole reason we have it is because in the 18th-early 19th century, the state and local militias were the land forces of the United States. It hasn't been that way in generations.

Might as well go witch hunting.

112 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:13:47pm

re: #110 SpaceJesus

2nd Amendment jurisprudence is hilarious.

The whole reason we have it is because in the 18th-early 19th century, the state and local militias were the land forces of the United States. It hasn't been that way in generations.

Wolverines!

113 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:14:14pm

re: #110 SpaceJesus

2nd Amendment jurisprudence is hilarious.

The whole reason we have it is because in the 18th-early 19th century, the state and local militias were the land forces of the United States. It hasn't been that way in generations.

Farmer with gun Vs B-2.
FIGHT!
B-2 wins.
Flawless Victory.
Fatality.
/MK

114 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:15:10pm

The British are coming! The British are coming! The British are coming! The British are coming! The British are coming! The British are coming!
-- Sarah Palin

115 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:15:26pm

Heck. Most redneck Americans hate England.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:15:52pm

re: #102 Varek Raith

Would you support mandatory training classes for potential gun owners?

I figure that, a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, if you intend to own a gun, you must join your local militia. They'd be sort of like CERT groups. And they would regulate your ass.

Round here, I expect we'd spend most of our time on earthquake response and the like. That's what my dad's CERT group does. That, and I expect we'd get called out a time or two when the Chevron refinery went haywire. That happens occasionally.

117 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:15:55pm

somebody hurry up and invent something that makes firearms obsolete

like force fields, or a common sense pill

118 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:16:01pm

It's a) European, b) has a ton of Muslims...

119 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:18:38pm

Ugh, freaking allergies.
AGAIN.

120 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:18:44pm

re: #118 Gus

It's a) European, b) has a ton of Muslims...

c) bangers are considered food...

121 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:19:11pm

re: #119 Varek Raith

chemtrails bro

122 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:19:23pm

I stopped caring about what civilization does anyway.

123 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:19:33pm

re: #105 SpaceJesus

We don't know. Breivik was inspired directly from the "anti-jihad" movement. Putting the anti-jihad movement's feet to the fire and shining light on them was a good idea once info of the connection was established. This wasn't tribal, but good policy.

With Holmes, we don't know yet, but there could be a connection with other nefarious toxic subcultures.

There could, but so far, I don't think this guy is a damn thing like Breivik. Breivik was a political terrorist. This guy? It could be, I guess, but I'm not seeing the odds in its favor.

124 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:19:47pm

re: #122 Gus

I stopped caring about what civilization does anyway.

That's the spirit!
/Same boat

125 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:20:39pm

re: #106 austin_blue

This guy's mom wasn't surprised. Why was he able to buy guns?

Probably because "his mother has a bad feeling" isn't grounds for much, legally.

126 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:21:00pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

The police in this case have been very professional about this, so we might not find much out for a while.

127 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:21:35pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

There could, but so far, I don't think this guy is a damn thing like Breivik. Breivik was a political terrorist. This guy? It could be, I guess, but I'm not seeing the odds in its favor.

All we know is that he is skilled and smart when it comes to guns/armor/traps.

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:21:36pm

re: #126 SpaceJesus

The police in this case have been very professional about this, so we might not find much out for a while.

Professional is good.

129 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:22:03pm

re: #124 Varek Raith

That's the spirit!
/Same boat

Yep. We should encourage more Americans to buy assault weapons, 100 round cartridges, and to keep watching people get beaten to a pulp but oh my God it's just a movie and it won't hurt mentality. Whatever. ;)

130 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:22:38pm

re: #129 Gus

Yep. We should encourage more Americans to buy assault weapons, 100 round cartridges, and to keep watching people get beaten to a pulp but oh my God it's just a movie and it won't hurt mentality. Whatever. ;)

Death Stars for everyone!

131 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:22:49pm

Highly irrational.

132 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:22:59pm

re: #126 SpaceJesus

The police in this case have been very professional about this, so we might not find much out for a while.

Unless Hannity wants to interview the shooter, that is.

133 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:24:05pm

re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist

especially when the perp has counsel (he does).

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:24:52pm

re: #133 SpaceJesus

especially when the perp has counsel (he does).

He's gonna need it.

135 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:25:07pm

re: #123 SanFranciscoZionist

There could, but so far, I don't think this guy is a damn thing like Breivik. Breivik was a political terrorist. This guy? It could be, I guess, but I'm not seeing the odds in its favor.

I think it's more likely he's just bugshit crazy. The last big three have been VaTech, Tucson, and Aurora. This guy dyed his hair red (I'm just like the Joker! A Nihilist!"). No doubt he was Ted Kaczynski smart, but also appears to be Ted Kaczinski nuts.

136 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:25:09pm

re: #132 freetoken

Unless Hannity wants to interview the shooter, that is.

I had hoped his lawyer was smarter than this.

137 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:25:52pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

I had hoped his lawyer was smarter than this.

Zimmerman's that is.

138 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:26:40pm

re: #107 Gus

Yes. The Constitution right now pretty much says we can sell guns to whoever we damn well please.

That wasn't what I was saying, Gus. I was answering a specific question from Varek, and was not addressing other matters beyond basic, legally non-controversial, principals of Constitutional jurisprudence.

But I see you are in one of your moods again, and it is late so I shall take my leave. Goodnight, all.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:26:51pm

re: #135 austin_blue

I think it's more likely he's just bugshit crazy. The last big three have been VaTech, Tucson, and Aurora. This guy dyed his hair red (I'm just like the Joker! A Nihilist!"). No doubt he was Ted Kaczynski smart, but also appears to be Ted Kaczinski nuts.

There were seven dead at Oikos University.

140 druid for hire  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:26:55pm

[Link: original.antiwar.com...]

the real info war is waking up and becoming anti-war. as long as america practices unending war violence will not stop. killing in our name , that's the enemy

141 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:27:13pm

One man gets his face eaten off because he was allegedly using bath salts and suddenly America is up in arms over bath salts. Turns out he wasn't on bath salts but America doesn't care and proceeds to clamp down on bath salts. Meanwhile, 100,000 people have died under the gun in the past 10 years and all we get is the drip, drip, drip, of the 2nd Amendment.

From where I'm sitting this doesn't sound like science.

142 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:28:30pm

re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably because "his mother has a bad feeling" isn't grounds for much, legally.

Good point! Why don't we set up a system where a parent can call up Homeland Security and request that their child be added to the "No Purchase" list? They know them better than anyone. I mean, an AR-15, an 870, and two Glock 40s in six months?

143 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:28:58pm

re: #140 druid for hire

[Link: original.antiwar.com...]

the real info war is waking up and becoming anti-war. as long as america practices unending war violence will not stop. killing in our name , that's the enemy

OK, I'll stay for a while to downding this goofball. He seems to have gotten lost on his way to the Code Pink meeting.

144 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:29:00pm

re: #138 Dark_Falcon

That wasn't what I was saying, Gus. I was answering a specific question from Varek, and was not addressing other matters beyond basic, legally non-controversial, principals of Constitutional jurisprudence.

But I see you are in one of your moods again, and it is late so I shall take my leave. Goodnight, all.

That wasn't what you were saying but it's true. Again you take the defensive route.

145 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:29:42pm

Jesus Christ almighty. I forgot to get my medical cert this week. Yeesh.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:29:49pm

re: #142 austin_blue

Good point! Why don't we set up a system where a parent can call up Homeland Security and request that their child be added to the "No Purchase" list? They know them better than anyone. I mean, an AR-15, an 870, and two Glock 40s in six months?

Problem is, my father would probably call up and demand that I be given lots of guns, immediately.

147 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:29:51pm

re: #142 austin_blue

Good point! Why don't we set up a system where a parent can call up Homeland Security and request that their child be added to the "No Purchase" list? They know them better than anyone. I mean, an AR-15, an 870, and two Glock 40s in six months?

Because he was over 21 and legally an adult. His mother no longer had any legal authority over him.

148 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:30:25pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

There were seven dead at Oikos University.

Yes. And he apparently fit the profile, also.

149 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:30:33pm

re: #144 Gus

That wasn't what you were saying but it's true. Again you take the defensive route.

I'm defensive minded. but you knew that already.

150 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:32:09pm

re: #147 Dark_Falcon

Because he was over 21 and legally an adult. His mother no longer had any legal authority over him.

Then this kind of pointless tragedy will continue forever, yes?

151 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:33:20pm

re: #149 Dark_Falcon

I'm defensive minded. but you knew that already.

I can't say anything really. You seem to have your mind made up.

152 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:33:50pm

re: #150 austin_blue

Then this kind of pointless tragedy will continue forever, yes?

I fear it will take a foreign terrorist taking advantage of our lax gun laws and doing something similar before we even think of acting.
Even then...I have my doubts.

153 druid for hire  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:34:24pm

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

OK, I'll stay for a while to downding this goofball. He seems to have gotten lost on his way to the Code Pink meeting.

gimme a break goofball. amerikkka = violence. doubt that ? ask your average iraqi. video games, endless war, blood in the chamber indeed. in YOUR name. assuming you are a citizen. if not..... have a good day. what's so funny about peace, love, & understanding?

154 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:34:50pm

re: #153 druid for hire

Video games?
Gimme a break.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:35:33pm

re: #154 Varek Raith

Video games?
Gimme a break.

Have I mentioned that my husband is praying for the Aurora shooter not to have been a gamer?

156 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:36:42pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Have I mentioned that my husband is praying for the Aurora shooter not to have been a gamer?

Oi, I'm sure the media is already fishing for that angle...

157 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:37:18pm

this is going to be funny

158 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:39:03pm

re: #153 druid for hire

And 'amerikkka'?
Grow the fuck up.

159 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:41:12pm

IRAland.
I iz clever!

160 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:41:24pm

i guess it's bedtime

161 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:41:47pm

Weird night.

162 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:41:54pm
Youtube Video
163 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:42:20pm

re: #161 Gus

Weird night.

Blame my lack of real coffee.

164 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:42:45pm

Guess that's expected though. Everyone is defending their territory like good primates.

165 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:43:28pm

re: #164 Gus

Guess that's expected though. Everyone is defending their territory like good primates.

Eh, I attack the stupid 'amerikkka' stuff.
So unclever.
:P

166 druid for hire  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:44:31pm

discussing sociopathy 21st century style exceeds the limits of this blog. hell i love me some video games BUT in a nation of 330 million..... there's gonna be a couple hundred lunatics that respond to amerikkkan kulture. which is: it is mandatory to fuck, kill, gloat, ..... not necessarily in that order. you are blind if you don't see this paradigm. and it continues regardless of the 'administration' in 'power'. endless war!

gonna warp your fragile mind

167 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:44:39pm

re: #164 Gus

Guess that's expected though. Everyone is defending their territory like good primates.

America is your territory too, Gus.

168 freetoken  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:45:21pm

re: #164 Gus

Guess that's expected though. Everyone is defending their territory like good primates.

Youtube Video
169 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:46:01pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

America is your territory too, Gus.

Did I say America?

170 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:46:35pm

re: #166 druid for hire

Your utter simplicity and black and white view of America is so...
Bush like.
/Oh snap two for the price of one!
/:)

171 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:46:40pm

I upding too many people.

172 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:47:17pm

re: #140 druid for hire

[Link: original.antiwar.com...]

the real info war is waking up and becoming anti-war. as long as america practices unending war violence will not stop. killing in our name , that's the enemy

No, Info Wars is all about this:

[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]

Idiot.

173 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:47:22pm

re: #171 Gus

I upding too many people.

I'm just being silly at this point.
Too serious of a day.

174 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:47:44pm

re: #166 druid for hire

Obvious Troll is obvious.

175 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:48:30pm

re: #172 austin_blue

No, Info Wars is all about this:

[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]

Idiot.

Well shit.
[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]

176 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:48:57pm

re: #166 druid for hire

discussing sociopathy 21st century style exceeds the limits of this blog. hell i love me some video games BUT in a nation of 330 million... there's gonna be a couple hundred lunatics that respond to amerikkkan kulture. which is: it is mandatory to fuck, kill, gloat, ... not necessarily in that order. you are blind if you don't see this paradigm. and it continues regardless of the 'administration' in 'power'. endless war!

gonna warp your fragile mind

Dude.

177 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:49:34pm

re: #176 Gus

Dude.

Where's my car?

178 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:49:41pm

anti-war is a good position but i dont even, i mean...what?

179 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:49:50pm

re: #166 druid for hire

discussing sociopathy 21st century style exceeds the limits of this blog. hell i love me some video games BUT in a nation of 330 million... there's gonna be a couple hundred lunatics that respond to amerikkkan kulture. which is: it is mandatory to fuck, kill, gloat, ... not necessarily in that order. you are blind if you don't see this paradigm. and it continues regardless of the 'administration' in 'power'. endless war!

gonna warp your fragile mind

You need to chill out.

180 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:49:59pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Well shit.
[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]

Pictures, my man, not the source!

181 SpaceJesus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:49:59pm

nevermind.

it's fucking bedtime

182 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:50:48pm

re: #181 SpaceJesus

nevermind.

it's fucking bedtime

Igloo white.

//

183 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:50:48pm

re: #180 austin_blue

Pictures, my man, not the source!

[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]
I'd like it back now...

184 austin_blue  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:51:18pm

re: #181 SpaceJesus

nevermind.

it's fucking bedtime

Night SJ. You did good work posting tonight.

185 druid for hire  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:51:28pm

re: #170 Varek Raith

Your utter simplicity and black and white view of America is so...
Bush like.
/Oh snap two for the price of one!
/:)

awesome !! you know two colors!! just for the record(?): W, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz should be in leg irons at the Hague. pity reality is so many shades of.... shades. so you don't think endless war influences the populace? as long as your latte is hot, who cares?

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:52:09pm

re: #166 druid for hire

discussing sociopathy 21st century style exceeds the limits of this blog. hell i love me some video games BUT in a nation of 330 million... there's gonna be a couple hundred lunatics that respond to amerikkkan kulture. which is: it is mandatory to fuck, kill, gloat, ... not necessarily in that order. you are blind if you don't see this paradigm. and it continues regardless of the 'administration' in 'power'. endless war!

gonna warp your fragile mind

I swear, there are days it's like I never actually got out of college at all, I'm still in the old dining hall, listening to some guy discuss 'amerikkkan kulture' while eating steam table fish and chips.

187 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:52:33pm

re: #185 druid for hire

awesome !! you know two colors!! just for the record(?): W, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz should be in leg irons at the Hague. pity reality is so many shades of... shades. so you don't think endless war influences the populace? as long as your latte is hot, who cares?

Ah, so simple.
Look.
I'm good at dealing with 4chan trolls.
You don't rank anywhere near them.
Do try harder.

188 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:54:14pm

re: #187 Varek Raith

Ah, so simple.
Look.
I'm good at dealing with 4chan trolls.
You don't rank anywhere near them.
Do try harder.

Also, it's 3am where I am.
Do you seriously expect a deep conversation?
;)

189 Gus  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:57:47pm

Dude was a neuroscience major. Drove a Korean car. Something tells me he wasn't into NASCAR.

190 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:58:56pm

Is it a possibility that the bomb squad may have to detonate his apartment?
It looks like an awfully complex trap he set up...

191 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 20, 2012 11:59:26pm

re: #190 Varek Raith

Is it a possibility that the bomb squad may have to detonate his apartment?
It looks like an awfully complex trap he set up...

"I see an awful lot of wire, trip wires, jars full of ammunition, jars full of liquid and ... things that look like mortar rounds," Oates said.

192 druid for hire  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:00:16am

re: #175 Varek Raith

Well shit.
[Link: weeklyworldnews.com...]

re: #187 Varek Raith

Ah, so simple.
Look.
I'm good at dealing with 4chan trolls.
You don't rank anywhere near them.
Do try harder.

sorry for bringing up that anti war thing. just sayin'
you know best.

all hail the 4chan trolls. go pop a pimple

193 Gus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:00:47am

Blood on the Tracks. It's all good.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:01:24am

re: #190 Varek Raith

Is it a possibility that the bomb squad may have to detonate his apartment?
It looks like an awfully complex trap he set up...

I do hope not. It sounds like the building will go with it, if early reports are accurate. They're gonna have to do one hell of an evacuation.

OTOH, that's better than it going up and people being in range.

195 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:01:50am

re: #192 druid for hire

re: #187 Varek Raith

sorry for bringing up that anti war thing. just sayin'
you know best.

all hail the 4chan trolls. go pop a pimple

My skin is nice and clear.
Sexy in fact.
As for being anti war, well that is rather unrealistic in this fucked up world.
Nice ideal that gets flattened by reality.

196 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:03:42am

re: #185 druid for hire

awesome !! you know two colors!! just for the record(?): W, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz should be in leg irons at the Hague. pity reality is so many shades of... shades. so you don't think endless war influences the populace? as long as your latte is hot, who cares?

Wow. As for your tenets, as I see them in this post, you would probably find a sympathetic ear, here. But the tone is trolltrolltroll.

So kindly fuck off and die.

197 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:03:52am

Figures.
I make a silly typo and I can't fix it.
Ah well.

198 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:04:25am

Love to stay and poke the druid with a stick, y'all, but I have to go in to work in the morning.

Everyone get some rest.

199 Gus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:04:31am
Early one morning the sun was shining
I was laying in bed
Wond'ring if she'd changed it all
If her hair was still red
Her folks they said our lives together
Sure was gonna be rough
They never did like Mama's homemade dress
Papa's bankbook wasn't big enough
And I was standing on the side of the road
Rain falling on my shoes
Heading out for the East Coast
Lord knows I've paid some dues getting through
Tangled up in blue.

She was married when we first meet
Soon to be divorced
I helped her out of a jam I guess
But I used a little too much force
We drove that car as far as we could
Abandoned it out West
Split it up on a dark sad night
Both agreeing it was best
She turned around to look at me
As I was walking away
I heard her say over my shoulder
"We'll meet again someday on the avenue"
Tangled up in blue.

I had a job in the great north woods
Working as a cook for a spell
But I never did like it all that much
And one day the ax just fell
So I drifted down to New Orleans
Where I happened to be employed
Working for a while on a fishing boat
Right outside of Delacroix
But all the while I was alone
The past was close behind
I seen a lot of women
But she never escaped my mind and I just grew
Tangled up in blue.

She was working in a topless place
And I stopped in for a beer
I just kept looking at her side of her face
In the spotlight so clear
And later on as the crowd thinned out
I's just about to do the same
She was standing there in back of my chair
Said to me "Don't I know your name ?"
I muttered something underneath my breath
She studied the lines on my face
I must admit I felt a little uneasy
When she bent down to tie the laces of my shoe
Tangled up in blue.

She lit a burner on the stove and offered me a pipe
"I thought you'd never say hello" she said
"You look like the silent type"
Then she opened up a book of poems
And handed it to me
Written by an Italian poet
From the thirteenth century
And every one of them words rang true
And glowed like burning coal
Pouring off of every page
Like it was written in my soul from me to you
Tangled up in blue

I lived with them on Montague Street
In a basement down the stairs
There was music in the caf,s at night
And revolution in the air
Then he started into dealing with slaves
And something inside of him died
She had to sell everything she owned
And froze up inside
And when finally the bottom fell out
I became withdrawn
The only thing I knew how to do
Was to keep on keeping on like a bird that flew
Tangled up in blue.

So now I'm going back again
I got to get her somehow
All the people we used to know
They're an illusion to me now
Some are mathematicians
Some are carpenter's wives
Don't know how it all got started
I don't what they're doing with their lives
But me I'm still on the road
Heading for another joint
We always did feel the same
We just saw it from a different point of view
Tangled up in Blue.

200 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:05:29am

re: #185 druid for hire

awesome !! you know two colors!! just for the record(?): W, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz should be in leg irons at the Hague. pity reality is so many shades of... shades. so you don't think endless war influences the populace? as long as your latte is hot, who cares?

Wow. As for your tenets, as I see them in this post, you would probably find a sympathetic ear, here. But the tone is trolltrolltroll.

So kindly fuck off and die.

201 Kragar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:05:44am

re: #190 Varek Raith

Is it a possibility that the bomb squad may have to detonate his apartment?
It looks like an awfully complex trap he set up...

They had a guy stockpiling explosives down in San Diego a few years back. They had to burn down his house, too dangerous to move the stuff.

202 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:06:19am

Testing...

203 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:07:12am

Testing...

204 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:07:28am

Testing...

205 Kragar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:07:38am

re: #190 Varek Raith

Is it a possibility that the bomb squad may have to detonate his apartment?
It looks like an awfully complex trap he set up...

They had a guy stockpiling explosives down in San Diego a few years back. They had to burn down his house, too dangerous to move the stuff.

206 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:07:49am

Testing...

207 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:08:42am

re: #185 druid for hire

awesome !! you know two colors!! just for the record(?): W, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz should be in leg irons at the Hague. pity reality is so many shades of... shades. so you don't think endless war influences the populace? as long as your latte is hot, who cares?

Wow. As for your tenets, as I see them in this post, you would probably find a sympathetic ear, here. But the tone is trolltrolltroll.

So kindly fuck off and die.

208 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:09:12am

Hmm....

209 Kragar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:09:49am

re: #208 Varek Raith

Hmm...

You too, huh?

210 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:09:57am

WTH was that all about?!?!
Sorry about the spam...

211 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:12:31am

re: #209 Kragar

You too, huh?

So it would seem.

212 druid for hire  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:12:55am

re: #195 Varek Raith

a moment of clarity.

i agree this is a fucked up world. as a soldier once said (in relation to his perception of his place in the scheme of things) :
'all we are to them , are big dumb animals enforcing foreign policy'.
can't remember a minute of my life when people weren't being killed in the name of 'peace'.

213 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:15:50am

re: #212 druid for hire

a moment of clarity.

i agree this is a fucked up world. as a soldier once said (in relation to his perception of his place in the scheme of things) :
'all we are to them , are big dumb animals enforcing foreign policy'.
can't remember a minute of my life when people weren't being killed in the name of 'peace'.

I'm a realist.
I see the world as it is, not as how I wished it were.
Can it be changed?
To some extent, yes.
Unfortunately war and violence is an innate trait that is difficult to overcome. Sometimes peace can not be achieved so simply.

214 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:19:30am

Logging off.
Stupid allergies.
Later.

215 druid for hire  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:20:39am

re: #214 Varek Raith


take it easy

216 druid for hire  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:24:16am

re: #207 austin_blue

i ain't no troll. i am a NEW POSTER. culture is the context. never simple but always present.

won't fuck off or die. sleep well

217 Mocking Jay  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:32:02am

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

It's a choice, Varek, and one I largely agree with. I don't see disarmament as a realistic solution; America simply has too many enemies. It would be taken as a sign of weakness and we would be attacked. It likely would weaken us, too. We're going to suffer casualties, the only question who many people die and which people die.

They'll attack us if we give up our guns?

You typed that with a straight face?

218 Kragar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:33:28am

I very carefully set some stuff aside for a special project a few days ago and now have no fucking clue where the stuff is.

219 freetoken  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:44:27am
MP3 Audio
220 Egregious Philbin  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:45:59am

There is dumb, there is stupid, there is deranged, there is idiotic, there is bat shiat freaking crazy...and at the top of the list, there is Alex Jones.

No, wait, he is just making crap up for money. At the top of the list are the drooling knuckle dragging, chromosome missing folk who believe Alex Jones.

Xenu wept

221 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:59:44am

I have no idea how one post got posted three times. Hmmm...

222 researchok  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 1:06:52am

Morning, all

223 freetoken  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 1:11:17am
MP3 Audio
224 austin_blue  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 1:13:29am

re: #222 researchok

Morning, all

Good morning! And I am off to bed. Hope you are well!

Good night and I hope the Lizardii had sweet dreams.

225 researchok  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 1:14:41am

re: #219 freetoken

Baroque-esque.

Nice change of pace

226 researchok  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 1:19:03am

re: #223 freetoken

Here's something in keeping with the theme.

A friend sent me this

Youtube Video
227 Kragar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 1:42:14am

Got a song stuck in my head.

Youtube Video
228 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 2:26:30am

Obama continues to climb on Intrade, with reelection odds up another 2.2 to 60.3% in the last day. Conversely Romney is now at 38%, his lowest point in two months. One has to go back prior to Mitt clinching the nomination to see the betting money shying this far away from him.

229 ozbloke  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 2:30:58am

re: #228 goddamnedfrank

Obama continues to climb on Intrade, with reelection odds up another 2.2 to 60.3% in the last day. Conversely Romney is now at 38%, his lowest point in two months. One has to go back prior to Mitt clinching the nomination to see the betting money shying this far away from him.

He will need to buys some more votes, thats all.

230 Aye Pod  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 4:13:17am

re: #225 researchok

Baroque-esque.

So's this. Kinda.

Youtube Video
231 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 4:30:50am

re: #229 ozbloke

He will need to buys some more votes, thats all.

Or disenfranchise more Floridians and Pennsylvanians, maybe some Ohioans while he's at it. That would do the trick.

232 RadicalModerate  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 4:46:30am

Never underestimate the gullibility and crass stupidity of the human species.

San Jose: 21 people treated for burns after firewalk at Tony Robbins appearance

SAN JOSE -- Amid inspirational talk, chanted mantras and shouts of victory at a late-night firewalking event attended by thousands on Thursday, came agonized shrieks from followers whose soles were scorched by the superheated coals, witnesses said.

At least 21 people were treated for burn injuries after taking part in the crowning event of the first day of a Tony Robbins function downtown, including at least three who went to the hospital, a San Jose fire captain said.

The people who suffered various second- and third-degree burn injuries were among more than 6,000 who attended the motivational speaker's event at the San Jose Convention Center called "Unleash the Power Within."

After the event, which ended about 11 p.m., the crowd walked across the street to the park where 12 lanes of hot coals measuring 10 feet long and 2 1/2 feet wide rested on the grass.

233 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 4:47:58am

I can't think of much more to say about this right now,except a)I cannot possibly translate Alex Jones because I don't speak paranoid asshat and b)
the only way to stop this madness is to stop the fucking madness already. It has to start somewhere. We can't ban or prohibit guns,there are too many of them. But it isn't going to hurt a fucking thing to look at what other countries have in place and perhaps take some of their better ideas and apply them here. If we're the greatest country on earth,then the fact that this shit keeps happening over and over again proves we simply lack the will to do this.

I am tired of hearing how this is inevitable,that there's nothing that can be one,that we can't fix it,that people are just ugly to each other and that's that. Bullshit. It's just not EASY and requires rethinking things and maybe realizing it's not a good idea to allow 6K rounds of ammo and weapons to be sold online,as one example. I have no issue with guns,but this nonsense of it being weak to carefully license and regulate them is utter crap.

234 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 5:48:41am

re: #2 SpaceJesus

I'm not entirely sure he is, or if he just peddles this shit for money from people who are legitimately insane.

I alternate between thinking he's genuinely batshit crazy, and thinking he's just a grifter who's found a lucrative niche ripping off paranoids. Maybe he's some of both. He strikes me more as the fraudulent televangelist type, ala Benny Hinn, Robert Tilton, and Peter Popov rather than a true believer, but it's really hard to tell.

235 researchok  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:10:50am

re: #230 Aye Pod

So's this. Kinda.

[Embedded content]

I liked that.

Switched on Baroque.

Remember Switched on Bach?

236 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:11:03am

Even without passing any gun control, howzabout the National Association of Broadcasters adopt some guidelines to what's considered responsible? The First Amendment only applies to what the government can do, it certainly doesn't prohibit the NAB from granting/withholding reasonable Standards.

Glenn Beck rants about FEMA camps, and one of his fans is caught skulking around a national guard base, fully armed, looking to make trouble. He makes up a bunch of crap about the Tides Foundation, and one of his fans gets into a shootout with the highway patrol on his way to the TF office where he was planning to kill everyone. Rush Limbaugh... maybe it's totally coincidental that he was raving about Bane/Bain/Hollywood conspiracy/President wants to dismantle everything good about the country... but he's ceertainly gone out of his way to foment race hatred at every possible opportunity. And do I have to list the number of outrages Erick Son of Eric perpetrates every time he opens his mouth? Or Dana Loesch? Or dozens more mouthbreathers?

Nothing anyone can do about a guy with his own internet outlet, but some stations... respectable broadcast outlets... might actually care about an NAB Seal of Approval for their headliners.

237 researchok  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:13:21am

re: #234 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

He's more of a Jimmy Swaggert type- he's a believer but knows how to work his crowd.

When confronted by reality he'll admit he's flawed, but his identity is so wrapped up in his belief system, he can never let it go.

Ever.

238 researchok  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:24:53am

Cops may set off suspect's booby traps

Investigators are preparing to detonate shooting suspect James Holmes' apartment building, perhaps as early as today, if they can't safely gain access, reports CBS News correspondent Jeff Glor.

Holmes is being held in what is now the biggest mass shooting in U.S. history. Twelve people were shot and killed and 58 hurt, most by gunfire -- and some in the chaos as patrons rushed to flee the theater -- allegedly by the 24-year-old Holmes at a midnight premiere of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises" Friday.

He says he rigged his apartment with a complex system of booby traps and explosives, and police say they have found no way of safely diffusing them.

239 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:24:53am

Mornin' everyone. They say that money can't buy you love, but apparently it can buy you followers.

240 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:36:02am

re: #238 researchok

Cops may set off suspect's booby traps

Pet peeve: diffuse ≠ defuse. Professional journalists or their editors should know this.

241 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:41:32am

re: #239 darthstar

Mornin' everyone. They say that money can't buy you love, but apparently it can buy you followers.

[Embedded content]

I can't believe the Rmoney campaign is being THAT stupid. They're poking the Internet with a stick. They done goofed. Consequences will never be the same.

242 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:45:22am

re: #241 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

I can't believe the Rmoney campaign is being THAT stupid. They're poking the Internet with a stick. They done goofed. Consequences will never be the same.

Consequences? What consequences? Mitt Romney is running on one thing and one thing only - that he's not Obama. He will lie, mislead, manipulate, and withhold as much as he wants, and without apology, because thanks to Citizens United he's got a money machine that is going to spend over a billion dollars attacking the president in the final six weeks and that will win him the election.

243 Tigger2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:47:10am

re: #25 Shiplord Kirel

From your link:

ROFLMAO! I've been telling you, these fantasists really think they have major combat skills simply by virtue of bad attitude, will, and being who they are. Here at last is a plain, bald statement of that preposterous belief. It will probably get a few of them killed eventually.

I laugh at them, I was shooting competition at 8 years old, I'm 60 now and a hell of a lot better shot now then I was then, I love how they think they are the only ones with guns and can shoot well. lol

244 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 6:56:04am

The internet is awfully quiet today.

245 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:00:03am

re: #236 sagehen

Even without passing any gun control, howzabout the National Association of Broadcasters adopt some guidelines to what's considered responsible? The First Amendment only applies to what the government can do, it certainly doesn't prohibit the NAB from granting/withholding reasonable Standards.

Glenn Beck rants about FEMA camps, and one of his fans is caught skulking around a national guard base, fully armed, looking to make trouble. He makes up a bunch of crap about the Tides Foundation, and one of his fans gets into a shootout with the highway patrol on his way to the TF office where he was planning to kill everyone. Rush Limbaugh... maybe it's totally coincidental that he was raving about Bane/Bain/Hollywood conspiracy/President wants to dismantle everything good about the country... but he's certainly gone out of his way to foment race hatred at every possible opportunity. And do I have to list the number of outrages Erick Son of Eric perpetrates every time he opens his mouth? Or Dana Loesch? Or dozens more mouthbreathers?

Nothing anyone can do about a guy with his own internet outlet, but some stations... respectable broadcast outlets... might actually care about an NAB Seal of Approval for their headliners.

Actually, i don't think CNN or FNC would care one bit about what a broadcast association thinks. Both stations go out over cable and satellite, so they are not 'broadcast' stations. Moreover, weirdos making a big DERPy splash draws people to watch a TV program. The newsnets are airing what people tend to watch.

246 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:01:31am

Image: 314703_450802338274116_2082558641_n.jpg

247 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:06:35am

re: #246 darthstar

Image: 314703_450802338274116_2082558641_n.jpg

Great, now I have to upding darthstar early in the morning.

[grumble]

248 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:06:44am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

Actually, i don't think CNN or FNC would care one bit about what a broadcast association thinks. Both stations go out over cable and satellite, so they are not 'broadcast' stations. Moreover, weirdos making a big DERPy splash draws people to watch a TV program. The newsnets are airing what people tend to watch.

CNN would care; they're trying to position themselves as the quality, they'd rather we don't think they're the video version of biting the heads off live chickens.

249 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:09:36am

re: #248 sagehen

CNN would care; they're trying to position themselves as the quality, they'd rather we don't think they're the video version of biting the heads off live chickens.

True, but they might fear they'd lose even more viewers to FNC and whatever MSNBC got renamed to if they gave up shock value.

250 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:09:53am

re: #246 darthstar

I have no idea who the female is and I do not care. I like the picture of the late Carl Sagan. He has a nice smile.

251 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:10:08am

re: #245 Dark_Falcon

The newsnets are airing what people tend to watch.

Haven't turned on my TV since I heard about Aurora (which happened via twitter). Also haven't listened to MSNBC in my car. When shit like this goes down, I ignore all network media for at least several days because I know they're all competing to get the survivors on camera so they can report live on the mental contortions the person is dealing with and call it 'news'...

Additionally, I refuse to discuss what happened, could have happened, should have happened or will happen for the next few days.

For anyone concerned I might be personally traumatized by this incident, here's a picture of a penis.

252 Renaissance_Man  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:11:24am

re: #77 Dark_Falcon

It's a choice, Varek, and one I largely agree with. I don't see disarmament as a realistic solution; America simply has too many enemies. It would be taken as a sign of weakness and we would be attacked. It likely would weaken us, too. We're going to suffer casualties, the only question who many people die and which people die.

Seriously? America enacting gun laws would encourage its enemies? It would be a sign of weakness?

Look, I'm not a terrorist. But I guarantee you that America allowing thousands of its innocent citizens to be killed and injured so it can fetishise guns doesn't impress them. I guarantee you that they don't consider armed, tubby conspiracy theorists posting angry and illiterate comments on the internet as a factor at all.

Of all the justifications for the deaths of American citizens, this is the most ridiculous I've heard.

253 PhillyPretzel  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:13:07am

re: #251 darthstar

I am watching PBS. Joann Weir is showing someone how to make farro salad. Neat.

254 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:14:35am

re: #246 darthstar

Image: 314703_450802338274116_2082558641_n.jpg

I know who all of them are

That stated, I'd prefer to have dinner with any/ all 10 on the left

After dinner drinks (and beyond), I lean right!!

255 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:20:42am

re: #246 darthstar

Image: 314703_450802338274116_2082558641_n.jpg

I hate to say this, but since we don't have a TV, I don't know who the woman on the right it. One of the Kardawhosits I presume?

256 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:20:45am

I went to Dixie last night...Southern food restaurant in the Presidio. Really, more southern influenced food, but quite good. My favorites were the deviled eggs (because I love Satan) with fried chicken livers on top and the fried pork cracklins...though really it was just nice big chunks of pork belly lightly seared and not cooked to death at all. Oysters three ways (raw, fried, and smoked) was a nice appetizer, and the black cod, bourbon & miso was good, though the collard green tortellini's pasta was a bit on the thick side.

257 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:22:02am

re: #255 William Barnett-Lewis

I hate to say this, but since we don't have a TV, I don't know who the woman on the right it. One of the Kardawhosits I presume?

i'll let you know as soon as I scan my eyes up to a face!!
/

258 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:23:35am

re: #257 sattv4u2

i'll let you know as soon as I scan my eyes up to a face!!
/

I was just going to say, I find it quite easy to stare at her tits, and because her face is so air-brushed and fake, I don't feel guilty at all. It should be noted I don't treat people like that in real life (I hope).

259 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:26:50am

Y'Know what sux!?!?

Being in not one, not two, but three food stores yesterday and forgetting to get coffee beans in each and every one, knowing that we're low at home

Y'Know what sux worse?

Finding out that being "low at home" means NONE!!

AAAAAGGGHHHHHH!!!!

260 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:29:31am

re: #252 Renaissance_Man

Seriously? America enacting gun laws would encourage its enemies? It would be a sign of weakness?

Look, I'm not a terrorist. But I guarantee you that America allowing thousands of its innocent citizens to be killed and injured so it can fetishise guns doesn't impress them. I guarantee you that they don't consider armed, tubby conspiracy theorists posting angry and illiterate comments on the internet as a factor at all.

Of all the justifications for the deaths of American citizens, this is the most ridiculous I've heard.

It ain't thousands, and you need to know that. Most fatal shootings in America are criminals killing other criminals, and such people are not innocent at all.

261 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:34:58am

Anyone else her use gmail? Is it down this morning or is my dns being weirder than usual? I can get my home page at google but not gmail & my searches aren't running either.

262 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:35:07am

It's morning!

Why do people have to capitalize on tragedy?

How are you?

263 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:36:12am

re: #261 William Barnett-Lewis

Anyone else her use gmail? Is it down this morning or is my dns being weirder than usual? I can get my home page at google but not gmail & my searches aren't running either.

I just checked my gmail and got in just fine.

264 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:36:28am

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

It ain't thousands, and you need to know that. Most fatal shootings in America are criminals killing other criminals, and such people are not innocent at all.

Pull back, Dark. You're barking up the wrong tree

In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

265 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:36:32am

re: #246 darthstar

Image: 314703_450802338274116_2082558641_n.jpg

I recognize the top 4 for sure; my guesses for the others are:
Marie Curie as the most logical female to be in such company
Newton for the spaniel-hair
Tesla for the Brylcreme Boy.
Freud for one of old-guy photos (because the timing seems right?)
Galileo for the old-guy painting (because the timing seems right?)
leaving only one unguessed old-guy photo

How'd I do?

266 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:36:52am

re: #262 ggt

It's morning!

Why do people have to capitalize on tragedy?

How are you?

Sadly, political gain

Sadly, from all sides

267 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:38:04am

re: #263 Sionainn

I just checked my gmail and got in just fine.

Thanks I still can't. OTOH, it's all that isn't resolving correctly. Grumble.

268 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:39:39am

K,,, gotta go take care on #259,, STAT

BBIAB

269 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:41:19am

re: #268 sattv4u2

K,,, gotta go take care on #259,, STAT

BBIAB

Here you go!

270 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:41:54am

re: #269 ggt

Here you go!

Thanks

Now can you find a way to shove that out of my screen so I don't have to go!?!?

271 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:42:08am

re: #267 William Barnett-Lewis

Thanks I still can't. OTOH, it's all that isn't resolving correctly. Grumble.

Weirdness. When things start going wonky for me, I reboot. For some reason, that fixes the issue.

272 danarchy  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:53:34am

re: #265 sagehen

I recognize the top 4 for sure; my guesses for the others are:
Marie Curie as the most logical female to be in such company
Newton for the spaniel-hair
Tesla for the Brylcreme Boy.
Freud for one of old-guy photos (because the timing seems right?)
Galileo for the old-guy painting (because the timing seems right?)
leaving only one unguessed old-guy photo

How'd I do?

Not bad, missed Darwin in the bottom right.

P.S. I like Neil Degrasse Tyson, but I'm not sure he belongs in that company.

273 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:55:01am

re: #260 Dark_Falcon

It ain't thousands, and you need to know that. Most fatal shootings in America are criminals killing other criminals, and such people are not innocent at all.

Innocent until proven dead.

274 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 7:59:01am

re: #9 SpaceJesus

magic dust that makes people do whatever you tell them to. like shoot up a theater in order to promote gun control. but somehow they have yet to use this magic dust on jones in order to get him to sing obama's praises.

I saw a documentary about this stuff, the government had brainwashed people and then planted them under deep cover. They didn't even know they were agents themselves until they heard a "trigger phrase" from someone via a Telefon call that would activate their programming. The phrase was...

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep, but I have promises to keep. And miles to go before I sleep, and miles to go before I sleep. Remember. Miles to go before I sleep.

OMG! I just realized that by posting this I might have just activated even more brainwashed sleeper terrorist agents! Oops, Sorry, my bad... :(

///

275 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:00:48am

re: #274 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I saw a documentary about this stuff, the government had brainwashed people and then planted them under deep cover. They didn't even know they were agents themselves until they heard a "trigger phrase" from someone via a Telefon call that would activate their programming. The phrase was...

OMG! I just realized that by posting this I might have just activated even more brainwashed sleeper terrorist agents! Oops, Sorry, my bad... :(

Robert Frost is the key. Loved that movie, by the way...classic.

276 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:04:24am

re: #270 sattv4u2

Thanks

Now can you find a way to shove that out of my screen so I don't have to go!?!?

technical issues are not my department

sorry

277 steve_davis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:06:41am

re: #52 Gus

I saw a clip of a fight scene between Batman and the Joker several months ago. Not sure if was a sneak peek. In any case I found it grotesquely violent. This wasn't your ordinary John Wayne -- showing my age -- fist fight. It was extremely viscous and brutal and almost looked like it was accentuated with CGI. That's not healthy for the human mind and society. Yes, Hollywood is part of the problem.

believe it or not, Batman is actually one of the characters who, historically, has been much better about this than many superheroes. Batman doesn't kill the villains, including the Joker, because he is concerned that doing so would send him down the same psychopathic journey that the villains are on. And there are consequences that other superheroes typically don't deal with. Batman actually has his back broken by Bane, and has to retire. At least one Robin dies on the job, while another becomes so disenchanted with Batman's approach to crime-fighting that he reforms a Justice League under a different name. Batgirl also winds up in a wheelchair, though I can't remember if it's from a fight or not.

278 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:10:33am

re: #274 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I saw a documentary about this stuff, the government had brainwashed people and then planted them under deep cover. They didn't even know they were agents themselves until they heard a "trigger phrase" from someone via a Telefon call that would activate their programming. The phrase was...

OMG! I just realized that by posting this I might have just activated even more brainwashed sleeper terrorist agents! Oops, Sorry, my bad... :(

///

Barack Obama is probably the kindest, bravest, warmest, most selfless human being I've ever known.

279 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:11:29am

OMG

280 sagehen  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:12:26am

re: #279 ggt

OMG

it won't display for me... is that too many people clicking, or it's been removed, or a me-specific problem?

281 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:12:45am

re: #264 sattv4u2

Pull back, Dark. You're barking up the wrong tree

In 2010 - the latest year for which detailed statistics are available - there were 12,996 murders in the US. Of those, 8,775 were caused by firearms.

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

I was saying that most of those firearms homicides are not of innocent people.

BBL

282 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:13:25am

re: #279 ggt

re: #280 sagehen

Deleted content? I can't get it either.

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:13:33am

re: #280 sagehen

it won't display for me... is that too many people clicking, or it's been removed, or a me-specific problem?

its a fb pic????

284 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:15:21am

re: #282 Daniel Ballard

re: #280 sagehen

Deleted content? I can't get it either.

try this

285 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:16:51am

re: #284 ggt

LOL

[Link: open.spotify.com...]

286 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:16:53am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

I was saying that most of those firearms homicides are not of innocent people.

BBL

That's the same cruel, insulting, heinous comment the former president of Mexico kept making about the tens of thousands of murder victims in Mexico. Here, if not there, we are all supposed to be considered innocent until proven guilty, yet you seem to be OK with the death penalty for thousands of strangers. Many of whom are under the age of 18.

287 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:17:40am

re: #279 ggt

OMG

For the people who can't see it...

So Whippet

I take it someone around here is a Devo fan?

288 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:19:07am

re: #287 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

For the people who can't see it...

So Whippet

I take it someone around here is a Devo fan?

no, it's just one of those --"click if you are old enough to understand this" LOL moments I thought I'd share.

289 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:21:06am

I think we're living in a culture of violence in the U.S. that is increasingly becoming accepted as normal. The bar is moving over further and further like the proverbial frog in the pot with the temperature moving up a little at a time until the frog is cooked. We can point to a bunch of individual pieces like violence in movies and TV, video games, the evening news... ever increasing fixes of stimulation. They're all part of a whole attitude that says "there's nothing we can do about it."

Really?

290 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:21:16am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

I was saying that most of those firearms homicides are not of innocent people.

BBL

It doesn't matter:

1) they haven't been convicted in a court of law
2) each of those deaths represents a mother who has lost a child.

291 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:24:54am

Recommended article written by a Brit:

Adult Conversation??

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:28:20am

bbl

293 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:30:00am

re: #290 ggt

It doesn't matter:

1) they haven't been convicted in a court of law
2) each of those deaths represents a mother who has lost a child.

And who is to judge just who is innocent? Trayvon Martin - a kid going to the convenience store -has been vilified by many to show he wasn't "innocent." Is this the criminal-who-deserved-to-die?

All for fucking guns.

294 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:34:17am

re: #289 allegro

I think we're living in a culture of violence in the U.S. that is increasingly becoming accepted as normal. The bar is moving over further and further like the proverbial frog in the pot with the temperature moving up a little at a time until the frog is cooked. We can point to a bunch of individual pieces like violence in movies and TV, video games, the evening news... ever increasing fixes of stimulation. They're all part of a whole attitude that says "there's nothing we can do about it."

Really?

I think the core problem is cultural. Selfish attitudes, recklessly defending what we think we deserve, demanding what is owed to us, not respecting others. I think our consumer culture is largely responsible. Violent video games, music, movies, books don't really have much effect aside from how people interpret them. I don't think gun culture shares much of the blame, the real problem is our own selfishness.

295 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:34:39am

Allegro-
I can easily imagine a similar argument being made about the 1st amendment. Hate speech, propaganda, all the hateful ways speech can incite violence. Also written on animal skin with iron filings for ink.

The writer sets aside the fact the these amendments are part of the Bill Of Rights. The inviolable set of amendments that were in fact intended to be permanent. But lets move past the amendments.

I have a question for anyone who would ban possession of firearms.

What would you leave available for vulnerable innocent people to turn to in the event of assault, rape, or robbery? Those single women living alone? People who must make cash deposits from their small business? My wife has arthritis since childhood. No way can she defend herself even if she had training. (Which her joints would not withstand anyway)

What standing does self defense really have? To me it's as basic as air and water.

296 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:36:36am

re: #281 Dark_Falcon

Where are you getting that from? How do you know that it's mostly criminal on criminal homicides?

Even if it is true,no one has the right to shoot someone over a stupid fight or disagreement. Someone dies,there's people left with that legacy.

297 Big Joe  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:40:11am

re: #274 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I saw a documentary about this stuff, the government had brainwashed people and then planted them under deep cover. They didn't even know they were agents themselves until they heard a "trigger phrase" from someone via a Telefon call that would activate their programming. The phrase was...

OMG! I just realized that by posting this I might have just activated even more brainwashed sleeper terrorist agents! Oops, Sorry, my bad... :(

///

Suddenly I feel the urge to go out and buy a copy of Catcher in the Rye. I don't know why, I already have six copies.

298 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:42:40am

re: #295 Daniel Ballard

Allegro-
I can easily imagine a similar argument being made about the 1st amendment. Hate speech, propaganda, all the hateful ways speech can inciter violence. Also written on animal skim with iron filings for ink.

The writer sets aside the fact the these amendments are part of the Bill Of Rights. The inviolable set of amendments that were in fact intended to be permanent. But lets move past the amendments.

I have a question for anyone who would ban possession of firearms.

What would you leave available for vulnerable innocent people to turn to in the event of assault, rape, or robbery? Those single women living alone? People who must make cash deposits from their small business? My wife has arthritis since childhood. No way can she defend herself even if she had training. (Which her joints would not withstand anyway)

What standing does self defense really have? To me it's as basic as air and water.

I don't see any calls for banning firearms. I'm certainly not making one. I have a rifle and a handgun myself and use the former in my profession, the second for self defense as a woman who lives alone. I have a license for CCW.

What the author of that article, and many others (like me) are arguing for is sane gun control. I would have no problem at all registering my guns like I do my truck and motorhome. I would have no problem with a database of large ammo purchases, for instance, red flags that might be best to question. Other countries do it - let's seriously look at how for once and stop with the whining about how it can't be done cuz Guns.

299 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:43:20am

re: #283 ggt

its a fb pic???

I was able to see it.

300 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:44:24am

re: #295 Daniel Ballard

Allegro-
I can easily imagine a similar argument being made about the 1st amendment. Hate speech, propaganda, all the hateful ways speech can inciter violence. Also written on animal skin with iron filings for ink.

The writer sets aside the fact the these amendments are part of the Bill Of Rights. The inviolable set of amendments that were in fact intended to be permanent. But lets move past the amendments.

I have a question for anyone who would ban possession of firearms.

What would you leave available for vulnerable innocent people to turn to in the event of assault, rape, or robbery? Those single women living alone? People who must make cash deposits from their small business? My wife has arthritis since childhood. No way can she defend herself even if she had training. (Which her joints would not withstand anyway)

What standing does self defense really have? To me it's as basic as air and water.

I may have missed where someone said they would ban possession of firearms. How about stricter rules for buying, selling, and owning guns? How about doing away with "Stand Your Ground" laws?

301 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:45:52am

re: #178 SpaceJesus

anti-war is a good position but i dont even, i mean...what?

I'm no more anti-war than I am anti-surgery.

In both cases it's the last thing you want to do, it must be carefully planned, swiftly executed and great aftercare must be allowed for.

Unfortunately way too many people think war is like what they see in movies. Life goes on after the credits roll, or the 'Mission Accomplished' banner goes up.

302 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:52:49am

re: #298 allegro
& Wrenchwench-

The author was arguing for a removal of the 2nd. Which I for one devoutly oppose. Mostly because you can have gun controls and still have the amendment. Only the most egregious examples of gun control gone extreme have been set aside.

Governments like California regularly indulge policies intended to make gun sales to people with no criminal record or mental health issues very difficult. But not impossible. It makes me laugh at the lengths they go to. If a gun maker has a model deemed safe by decades of law enforcement use and make a small change in some detail about the design, like the sights or finish, the gun can not be sold here until it passes expensive and destructive "safety" testing. That is a policy of discouragement not safety.

If we want to buy a gun the wait for your background check is about 10,000 times longer than it takes to do a background check. Ten days instead of a few minutes. Police can get it done in under a minute from a police car with access to the criminal databases.

They call that a "cooling off" period. Which is making all kinds of hostile assumptions about a gun buyer. That is a clear assumption of hostile intent rather than defensive or sporting intent.

303 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:53:12am

re: #301 Romantic Heretic

I'm no more anti-war than I am anti-surgery.

In both cases it's the last thing you want to do, it must be carefully planned, swiftly executed and great aftercare must be allowed for.

Unfortunately way too many people think war is like what they see in movies. Life goes on after the credits roll, or the 'Mission Accomplished' banner goes up.

Thing is, if you want to live in a free country, there will always be another mission to accomplish!

304 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:53:15am

A couple of days ago I had to get a copy of my marriage license/certificate for a benefits thingie. Looking at it made me remember what it took to get married. A an application with the county, a physical exam, and a waiting period of several days before we could get hitched by one authorized by law.

I went into Carter Country one afternoon and walked out with a handgun and ammo. The guy recommended hollow points.

305 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:55:05am

Well, that was fun. The laptop's freebsd install just ate itself. Well, gives me an excuse to try Xfce/Ubuntu 12.04.

306 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:56:45am

re: #302 Daniel Ballard

They call that a "cooling off" period. Which is making all kinds of hostile assumptions about a gun buyer. That is a clear assumption of hostile intent rather than defensive or sporting intent.

It's only a clear assumption that one is dealing with human beings in a risky world. It's not a personal insult. And if some people take it that way, so what?

307 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:56:54am

re: #291 allegro

Recommended article written by a Brit:

Adult Conversation??

Sorry but amending the Constitution (even only amending an amendment) is simply an impossibility in this political climate. First two-thirds of both Houses of Congress would have to vote for the proposed amendment and then the amendment would have to be approved by no less than 75% of all the 50 State Legislatures.

I'm not sure what America you live in, and the author certainly does not live in America at all, but what he proposes is frankly and completely impossible. The only meager chance America has of adopting even the slightest of more rational gun restrictions rests in the hands of the Supreme Court. If they were to revisit their previous rulings as to the "intent" of the 2nd Amendment through a new case brought before them they could effectively open the door for some sales/ownership restrictions.

But passing an Constitutional Amendment that deals with gun ownership? It just ain't gonna happen friend...

308 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:57:47am

re: #302 Daniel Ballard

Again, we seem to have read two different things into what the author was arguing. I didn't see him say to eliminate the second amendment but to alter it, or at least the NRA interpretation of it, to better reflect today's technology and society. He went to rather great lengths to express that argument. I think it's a good conversation to have.

309 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:59:33am

re: #307 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

But passing an Constitutional Amendment that deals with gun ownership? It just ain't gonna happen friend...

Or if it did, we'd probably lose the 1st, 4th, 5th & 8th in the process because of the fighting between the factions of wannabe tyrants.

310 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 8:59:51am

re: #302 Daniel Ballard

re: #306 wrenchwench

It's only a clear assumption that one is dealing with human beings in a risky world. It's not a personal insult. And if some people take it that way, so what?

I don't have any issues with a waiting/ cooling off period, especially in this day and age of ID theft!

311 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:00:46am

re: #310 sattv4u2

re: #306 wrenchwench

I don't have any issues with a waiting/ cooling off period, especially in this day and age of ID theft!

GUN OWNER FRAUD!!

312 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:01:47am

re: #300 wrenchwench

By SYG I assume you mean in public, which I do not like in it's Florida form. Other states have it with stricter language. California does not have it at all. Maybe that's a good thing. But a price is paid. Defend yourself in public with fists and quite often you find yourself pleading out to misdemeanor assault. I'd like to see that explored and resolved.

I do fully support the castle doctrine in your home, yard, and workplace. Which BTW is straight out SCOTUS law.

313 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:02:22am

re: #309 William Barnett-Lewis

Or if it did, we'd probably lose the 1st, 4th, 5th & 8th in the process because of the fighting between the factions of wannabe tyrants.

I get very nervous when people start talking about changing the constitution. This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals.

314 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:03:14am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

I get very nervous when people start talking about changing the constitution. This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals.

Liberal? YOU!?!?!?

RWNJ is more like it!!!

///

315 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:04:08am

re: #312 Daniel Ballard

By SYG I assume you mean in public, which I do not like in it's Florida form. Other states have it with stricter language. California does not have it at all. Maybe that's a good thing. But a price is paid. Defend yourself in public with fists and quite often you find yourself pleading out to misdemeanor assault. I'd like to see that explored and resolved.

I do fully support the castle doctrine in your home, yard, and workplace. Which BTW is straight out SCOTUS law.

Do the pastures of your ranch count as your yard?

316 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:06:00am
317 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:06:05am

re: #314 sattv4u2

Liberal? YOU!?!?!?

RWNJ is more like it!!!

///

The pantaloons always give me away.

318 darthstar  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:06:43am

re: #316 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Shit..dropped my response to that asshole...okay...time to head to the club with the missus.

319 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:07:25am

re: #318 darthstar

Shit..dropped my response to that asshole...okay...time to head to the club with the missus.

You're clubbing the wife?

I do hope she hits back!

320 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:08:21am

re: #317 Killgore Trout

The pantaloons always give me away.

That,and the concealed taser!

321 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:08:56am

Morning all.
Well that was something. Remember that old chestnut from L.Ron Hubbard, and I'm paraphrasing, that the quickest way to make a million bucks is to start a cult? Some people say he stole that from Orwell, but whoever said it was absolutely right. In the U.S., we have the Church of the Gun, and the NRA is like their Vatican.

In my opinion, it was a brilliant marketing strategy, because some guy figured out how to tie the 2nd amendment to good 'ol-timey fire and brimstone religion.

Yesterday, I linked to Warriors for Christ. These guys are looking for signs that point to the End of Days, and one of those signs includes The movement towards a one world economy ushered in by the anti-Christ. I have heard my mother in law say this , and she believes it with her whole heart.

The anti-Christ Muslim Usurper would have no problem facilitating the massacre of innocents to take our guns, in order to establish his dominion over the Earth through the U.N. (ouch my brain)

And thus, Alex Jones and Beck, and some other asshole somewhere makes a million bucks, while the thinking people are left trying to figure out how to keep WMD's out of the hands out of the hands of psychos.

322 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:10:03am

re: #303 sattv4u2

Thing is, if you want to live in a free country, there will always be another mission to accomplish!

I'm not sure that's true, and violence may not be the best way to go about it.

Sun Tzu made that clear millennia ago.

Youtube Video
323 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:10:51am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

Rightly so. One of the smartest parts about the Constitution is the Bill Of Rights. The permanent first ten amendments.

324 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:13:10am

re: #322 Romantic Heretic

I'm not sure that's true, and violence may not be the best way to go about it.

Sun Tzu made that clear millennia ago.

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Sun Tzu lived in a vastly different world/ time. He had no clue a to what was going on mere miles away let alone half way across the world. And when they did find out the info was months old at best, not instantaneous

325 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:16:20am

This is in honor of SpaceJesus, on the occasion of his promoted post.

Image: 545549_315646048525551_797040458_n.jpg

326 Iwouldprefernotto  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:18:06am

re: #316 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Rick Warren is an ass......

327 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:18:31am

Errands and chores

Someone tell me why I took a few days off from work!?!?!

328 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:19:04am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Errands and chores

Someone tell me why I took a few days off from work!?!?!

To get your errands and chores done.

329 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:19:25am

re: #323 Daniel Ballard

Rightly so. One of the smartest parts about the Constitution is the Bill Of Rights. The permanent first ten amendments.

The words "well regulated militia" are present in the second amendment. I don't see any need to remove/change any amendment myself but I've often wondered why that particular phrase is ignored. I also don't see anything in that amendment that prevents sane gun control.

330 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:21:02am

re: #329 allegro

Agreed in full. I wish I could talk to that author directly, and illustrate the level of gun control that can and does exist in a modern state like California.
Quite often in these conversations I hear calls for laws we already have.

331 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:21:45am
332 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:26:41am

re: #330 Daniel Ballard

Agreed in full. I wish I could talk to that author directly, and illustrate the level of gun control that can and does exist in a modern state like California.
Quite often in these conversations I hear calls for laws we already have.

I actually don't think laws are enough by themselves. It would take a campaign like MADD, which has been real effective. Hasn't stopped drunk driving but it sure has put the brakes on it both legally and through peer pressure. The public mindset about driving after drinking has changed enormously.

333 Mattand  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:30:21am

re: #321 OhNoZombies!

The anti-Christ Muslim Usurper would have no problem facilitating the massacre of innocents to take our guns, in order to establish his dominion over the Earth through the U.N. (ouch my brain)

You know what's really sad? I'm grateful that my racist relatives don't buy into the Alex Jones bullshit. They hate Obama only because he's black.

And this is in New Jersey. I can't even imagine what it's like in Bible Beltistan.

334 jaunte  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:31:06am

re: #331 Interesting Times

No down payment, no interest, 12 months to pay...
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335 Lidane  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:37:26am

This video is just another in a long, long list of reasons why I absolutely despise this man.

People think Austin is full of hippies. Sure, but we've got our share of Alex Jones fanboys too. People are buying into his bullshit. They believe what he says. That's scary.

336 Gus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:38:30am

Rubs eyes. Well now. That was weird.

337 Gus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:39:28am

Look at what's trending: #IStandWithBachmann

338 Lidane  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:40:41am

re: #337 Gus

Look at what's trending: #IStandWithBachmann

Of course it is. There are a bunch of really stupid people in this country.

339 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:42:29am

re: #329 allegro

The words "well regulated militia" are present in the second amendment. I don't see any need to remove/change any amendment myself but I've often wondered why that particular phrase is ignored. I also don't see anything in that amendment that prevents sane gun control.

It isn't so much ignored as the Founders, with their faith in Militia instead of Standing Armies, had a very different idea of what it ment. Look at the Militia Acts of 1794 - they required every free citizen (ie white male over 21) to own a gun in the military's caliber, 20 rounds of ammo & drill twice a year. The latter, esepecially, is why the original concept of "well regulated" ie disciplined in marching and fighting in the european style, fell by the wayside after the end of the war of 1812.

So what does well regulated mean in the modern context? Should we issue a M16 to every adult citizen who can pass NICS and promises to train twice a year? That's what ol' TJ would say, I'd bet.

I like the idea of requiring training and licensing. But by the same token, I think that schools should be required to give that training to all high school aged kids that want it much as they do drivers ed or, in some states, hunter safety. Combined with proper national ID (passport, drivers license, firearms license, voter id, single payer insurance id ;) it would be a reasonable regulation without infringing upon anything. I'd also want the automatic weapons registry reopened but that's another story...

340 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:49:19am

re: #339 William Barnett-Lewis

I like the idea of requiring training and licensing. But by the same token, I think that schools should be required to give that training to all high school aged kids that want it much as they do drivers ed or, in some states, hunter safety. Combined with proper national ID (passport, drivers license, firearms license, voter id, single payer insurance id ;) it would be a reasonable regulation without infringing upon anything. I'd also want the automatic weapons registry reopened but that's another story...

I think that's very reasonable. The only thing I would add is that before a kid can take gun training, the kid has to have direct hand-to-hand self-defense training. It's more useful and valuable in the long run and it may help to diffuse the idea of MUST have a gun for self defense in any situation. Plus, it makes it harder for someone to get your gun at a real bad time.

341 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:49:29am

I guess I'm getting the best 15.00 car wash ever. They've been rubbing my car for 45 minutes already!! What to tip?!!!

342 Gus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:53:23am

Alexander Cockburn died.

343 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:54:00am

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes jailed in solitary: ‘All the inmates were talking about killing him’

The man accused in the Colorado movie theater massacre was still behaving erratically on the day after his rampage at a midnight screening of “The Dark Night Rises” — the last film in the Batman trilogy.

“Let’s just say he hasn’t shown any remorse,” a jail employee told the Daily News. “He thinks he’s acting in a movie.”

A released inmate said Holmes’ behavior behind bars was increasingly irrational.

“He was spitting at the door and spitting at the guards,” the inmate told The News. “He's spitting at everything. Dude was acting crazy.”

344 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:54:45am

re: #232 RadicalModerate

Never underestimate the gullibility and crass stupidity of the human species.

San Jose: 21 people treated for burns after firewalk at Tony Robbins appearance

Yeah, I actually stepped back into the living room last night to ask my husband, "Did that anchorwoman actually just say "New Age fire walk goes awry"?

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 9:58:31am

re: #265 sagehen

I recognize the top 4 for sure; my guesses for the others are:
Marie Curie as the most logical female to be in such company
Newton for the spaniel-hair
Tesla for the Brylcreme Boy.
Freud for one of old-guy photos (because the timing seems right?)
Galileo for the old-guy painting (because the timing seems right?)
leaving only one unguessed old-guy photo

How'd I do?

That's Darwin, innit?

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:06:02am

re: #313 Killgore Trout

I get very nervous when people start talking about changing the constitution. This is where I part ways with my fellow liberals.

Er...many to most liberals don't cotton to the idea at all, and I've heard plenty of conservatives want to amend the Constitution. You know?

347 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:06:26am

re: #316 darthstar

[Embedded content]

No wolf has ever shot up a movie theater.

348 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:06:46am

re: #345 SanFranciscoZionist

That's Darwin, innit?

'Tis.

349 Lidane  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:09:22am

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

Er...many to most liberals don't cotton to the idea at all, and I've heard plenty of conservatives want to amend the Constitution. You know?

Changing the Constitution is, in the words of Joe Biden, a big fuckin' deal. It shouldn't happen lightly, and should ONLY happen if there is a real need for it.

Interpreting it to recognize our current reality, OTOH, is totally fair game.

350 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:19:14am

pro tip: reading the comments at youtube for this video will induce laughter as well as sheer loss of hope for humanity

351 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:22:24am

Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is very obviously buying Twitter followers. Check his profile page -- every time you reload the number goes up by 100 or so, and all of these "followers" appear to be fake accounts with almost no followers of their own.

@MittRomney

352 Lidane  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:22:41am

re: #350 SpaceJesus

pro tip: reading the comments at youtube for this video will induce laughter as well as sheer loss of hope for humanity

Isn't that par for the course for most YouTube comments?

353 blueraven  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:23:11am

re: #347 SanFranciscoZionist

No wolf has ever shot up a movie theater.

As far as I know, wild animals dont go around indiscriminately killing other animals. They kill to survive and in turn fulfill a useful purpose in the overall survival of species.

354 Eclectic Infidel  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:23:19am

re: #177 Varek Raith

Where's my car?

It's up druid's ass.

355 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:23:49am

re: #352 Lidane

this video especially. these are more like a triple bogey than par

356 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:24:59am

re: #351 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, Mitt Romney is very obviously buying Twitter followers. Check his profile page -- every time you reload the number goes up by 100 or so, and all of these "followers" appear to be fake accounts with almost no followers of their own.

@MittRomney

You can buy followers?
Ha!
I did not know this.

357 Charles Johnson  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:27:06am

re: #356 Varek Raith

You can buy followers?
Ha!
I did not know this.

You sure can: [Link: www.google.com...]

358 blueraven  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:27:26am

re: #356 Varek Raith

You can buy followers?
Ha!
I did not know this.

Oh yes, it is a big online service business now

[Link: www.google.com...]

359 dragonath  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:27:42am

Aurora authorities plan controlled explosion at James Holmes's apartment

Photographs taken of the inside show trip wires, jars of liquids and ammunition and other objects that have been described as looking like "mortar rounds"
...
Blaise Stone, who has lived in the neighbourhood for decades and is an unemployed construction worker, was blunt about the situation. "It is weird and wacky," he said.

Well, weird and wacky is one way to put it.

360 Lidane  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:29:15am

re: #356 Varek Raith

You can buy followers?
Ha!
I did not know this.

Yep. You can buy them easily:

[Link: gizmodo.com...]

The problem is, the followers are obvious, non-Tweeting fakes. It's sort of like a girl padding her bra or a guy stuffing socks down his pants. It says a lot more about the person faking it than it does the people who fall for it.

361 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:30:51am

I've been thinking alot about this lately and I wonder how we can restore the lost sense of community so many people feel. This didn't happen overnight,but I think this is part of the key for solving at least a portion of this sense of displacement and sadness so many Americans feel now. Are we too broken? It just seems like an uphill battle against all the hatemongering and people seeking to keep us fighting among ourselves,to keep us from trusting each other.

362 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:33:41am

Looks like one of the dead from the shooting was a Navy seaman.

This gives the military jurisdiction to try Holmes I believe, which would be interesting.

363 blueraven  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:33:42am

re: #356 Varek Raith

You can buy followers?
Ha!
I did not know this.

heh...when Newt got busted

Update: Only 92% of Newt Gingrich’s Twitter Followers Are Fake

364 dragonath  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:36:03am

Buying your own twitter followers... isn't that kind of like payola?

365 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:36:14am

re: #359 Fred Galt

Aurora authorities plan controlled explosion at James Holmes's apartment

Well, weird and wacky is one way to put it.

I was going to comment about that earlier. Shitty sensationalist journalism. That headline is all over the place this morning.

366 allegro  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:37:07am

re: #364 Fred Galt

Buying your own twitter followers... isn't that kind of like payola?

More like pathetic.

367 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:38:44am

re: #361 A Mom Anon

I've been thinking alot about this lately and I wonder how we can restore the lost sense of community so many people feel. This didn't happen overnight,but I think this is part of the key for solving at least a portion of this sense of displacement and sadness so many Americans feel now. Are we too broken? It just seems like an uphill battle against all the hatemongering and people seeking to keep us fighting among ourselves,to keep us from trusting each other.

I've been thinking about that too but my ideas aren't likely to go over well here. Suffice to say maybe we're just too broken.

368 blueraven  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:38:54am

re: #359 Fred Galt

Aurora authorities plan controlled explosion at James Holmes's apartment

Well, weird and wacky is one way to put it.

They have now disarmed the first trip wire designed to detonate some device when someone first entered the door.

Hopefully they can disarm all of them safely.

It would be great if they could preserve any evidence in that apartment, as long as nobody gets injured.

369 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:39:32am

They used to call intentionally ignited forest fires 'controlled burns' until one got away. Now they call them 'prescribed burns'.

370 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:39:50am

Hahaha.
Most amusing.
Buying followers.

371 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:41:10am

A disruptor has been fired off in the apartment. Great news-No big explosion, no fire.

372 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:43:56am

re: #371 Daniel Ballard

A disruptor has been fired off in the apartment. Great news-No big explosion, no fire.

My definition and your/cops/normal people's definition of a 'disruptor' is worlds apart.

373 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:45:30am

re: #372 Varek Raith

Image: 10500189_2.jpg

374 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:47:07am
375 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:47:28am

Conspiracies are easy to swallow when you've been brought up to believe:

1)Satan and some other disgruntled angels conspired against an omnipotent God because they were jealous of Adam and Eve.
2)God and Satan,for example, conspired against Job to prove a point.
3)Because God loved the world so much, he sent his only begotten son to earth, he allowed him to be crucified.
4)Now God is tired of Satan running around on Earth, so he's gonna kill all those poor humans who have been duped by a being powerful enough to blind-side God.
5)The all-knowing Founding Fathers, inspired by the Almighty himself, created the Constitution because they wanted to set up a country with a Christian foundation.
6)The Bible, and it's companion leaflet, the Constitution, allows no room for interpretation.
7)Separation between church and state is a librul lie!
8)Science and critical thought are a direct result of Satan tricking Adam and Eve into eating from one of the trees of knowledge, so real Christians hate it. Better to pray (or beat) away the demon that is making my child crazy.
8)Michelle Bachmann is an intelligent woman who is not crazy in any way.

I hope this is a generational thing, cause if not, we're in trouble.
Sorry for the long post.

376 A Mom Anon  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:47:47am

re: #367 Killgore Trout

No,if you have something constructive to offer Killgore,I'm all ears. I don't think we're too broken,not when you see little acts of kindness and heroism like those in Aurora yesterday. I'd just like to talk about ways to harness that goodness.

I spent several years working with little kids,age 2 through elementary school. Mean is learned,it's not there naturally. Yes,kids tantrum and act out,but the kinder they are raised,the less it usually happens. It's our culture and institutions that are broken and in turn they break us.

377 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:50:58am

I wonder if Mitt pays for retweets too.

378 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:51:35am

Click on the date to see the responses. I'm guessing those were free.

379 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:52:55am
380 sneb  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:57:23am

I'm surprised Alex didn't work in references to the Freemasons, Illuminati, or what the queers are doing to the soil.

381 Targetpractice  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 10:58:23am

re: #377 wrenchwench

I wonder if Mitt pays for retweets too.

[Embedded content]

Huh, wonder how bad the polls must look at campaign HQ for him to be kissing Crazy Uncle Liberty's ass.

382 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 11:00:25am

where the hell are all these facebook likes coming from?

if i posted this article on my fb wall and get say, a dozen likes on it, then do those count towards the total that shows here?

383 Interesting Times  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 11:02:34am

re: #316 darthstar

[Embedded content]

I like this comeback to Rick Warren's derp - it's exactly what I wanted to say:

384 jaunte  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 11:16:34am

Black Day in July for Greenland Ice Sheet

"...have a gander at this shocking graph from meltfactor.org that shows a mind-blowing change in Greenland's ice sheet "albedo." It has literally fallen off the chart in comparison to previous years."

385 Coracle  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:14:19pm

I knew it.

386 labman57  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:25:42pm

He's absolutely right. The evidence can be found at "Everythings_a_left-wing_conspiracy.com" ... where you can also stock up on your annual tin foil needs.

387 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 12:48:10pm

re: #372 Varek Raith

My definition and your/cops/normal people's definition of a 'disruptor' is worlds apart.

I confess my first thought was, "What was a Romulan doing shooting stuff in James Holmes' apartment?"

388 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 2:03:02pm

re: #387 SanFranciscoZionist

The klingons use disruptors. Romulans use Plasma torpedoes.

Oop. Sorry. I played Star Fleet Battles for too many years.

389 Tigger2  Sat, Jul 21, 2012 2:35:00pm

re: #317 Killgore Trout

The pantaloons always give me away.

No, It was the tri-cornered hat that did. lol.

390 druid for hire  Sun, Jul 22, 2012 1:19:42am

When confronted by reality he'll admit he's flawed, but his identity is so wrapped up in his belief system, he can never let it go.

Ever.

that sounds like everybody


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