Ugly Wingnut Tweet of the Day
I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice.
— James Taranto (@jamestaranto) July 25, 2012
I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice.
— James Taranto (@jamestaranto) July 25, 2012
1 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:14:30pm |
Repost from previous thread:
@jamestaranto Stay Classy, Jimmy!
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) July 25, 2012
2 | Cap'n Magic Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:15:01pm |
Gaah. These kind of statements makes me wish that some huge fscking asteroid comes and wipes us all out, and we'd be powerless to stop it.
3 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:15:54pm |
He should go visit the girls and tell them and their families this in person.
4 | Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:16:36pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
Or they should go visit him!
5 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:17:27pm |
Does the bilious prat care to define worthy?
What a dick.
6 | jaunte Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:17:54pm |
What sort of justify-your-life cult does Taranto belong to?
7 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:18:08pm |
Because really, while you're grieving your loved one, that's what you want to hear somebody say, "I hope you were worth it."
What a disgusting human being.
8 | dragonath Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:19:37pm |
9 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:19:54pm |
This kind of excrement is why I don't bother with twitter. I have a better life without it.
10 | Gus Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:21:49pm |
re: #6 jaunte
What sort of justify-your-life cult does Taranto belong to?
11 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:23:08pm |
WTF is he saying?
It's like he is asking if the guys got to have enough sex with the girl to warrant such a sacrifice.
As if a female human life isn't worth it otherwise.
12 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:23:52pm |
Really, an innocent person sitting in a movie theater when a man who thinks he's the Joker opens fire can't win, can they?
First, we're going to criticize you for not shooting him.
Then we're going to suggest that you might not have been worth your boyfriend saving your life.
Of course, if you are a boyfriend, and you fail in the throwing-yourself-in-front-of-a-bullet department, we'll say that you and your lack of masculinity are what's wrong with America today.
These folks have been through an awful trauma. Could the Twitterati maybe leave them the hell alone?
13 | The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:24:13pm |
Why do I suspect that "they were loved, therefore it was worth it" won't resonate with Mr. Taranto?
15 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:25:06pm |
It's like the Captain's last words in Saving Private Ryan, only dickish...
16 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:25:09pm |
re: #13 The Ghost of a Flea
Why do I suspect that "they were loved, therefore it was worth it" won't resonate with Mr. Taranto?
or even more basic --they were "creatures of of G-d" as my Dear Ole' Dad used to say.
Just being human isn't enough, I guess for this asswipe.
17 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:27:25pm |
re: #11 ggt
WTF is he saying?
It's like he is asking if the guys got to have enough sex with the girl to warrant such a sacrifice.
As if a female human life isn't worth it otherwise.
I'm actually not familiar enough with this guy to know if he thinks the girl is worth more or less if she does or doesn't put out.
I do know that one nineteen-year-old boy got shot in the leg helping a woman with two children who he had never met before he saw her struggling to save her family in that theater.
He didn't stop to think "I haven't had sex with her,", or "Kids! She's had sex with someone else, the dirty hoor!" He just saw a woman with kids trying to get away from a killer, and he went to her aid.
To quote the movie "Dogma", Mr. Taranto, that's why he's the King, and you're a schmuck.
18 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:27:37pm |
re: #16 ggt
or even more basic --they were "creatures of of G-d" as my Dear Ole' Dad used to say.
Just being human isn't enough, I guess for this asswipe.
They were women, so unless they were saving themselves for marriage, dressed modestly, and subservient to their men, the guys should've just saved themselves.
19 | Daniel Ballard Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:27:38pm |
Spoken like a man that Can... Not... Get A Date
20 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:28:05pm |
re: #8 Fred Galt
Wow, and he's trying to defend his tweet.
I think that what he is trying to get people to believe is that he meant said ladies should prove themselves worthy in the sense of a dying Capt. Miller telling Pvt. Ryan "Earn this." in Saving Private Ryan. I don't buy it; He believed the line far too flippantly to have meant it on that deem a level. He wasn't trying to be profound, he was just being an ass.
21 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:28:18pm |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Really, an innocent person sitting in a movie theater when a man who thinks he's the Joker opens fire can't win, can they?
First, we're going to criticize you for not shooting him.
Then we're going to suggest that you might not have been worth your boyfriend saving your life.
Of course, if you are a boyfriend, and you fail in the throwing-yourself-in-front-of-a-bullet department, we'll say that you and your lack of masculinity are what's wrong with America today.
These folks have been through an awful trauma. Could the Twitterati maybe leave them the hell alone?
And, of course, the theater managers/owners get accused of being a bunch of liberals for barring patrons from carrying concealed in the theater, because of some fantasy about John Rambo standing up and shooting and killing the gunman with the first shot.
22 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:28:57pm |
re: #15 Mocking Jay
It's like the Captain's last words in Saving Private Ryan, only dickish...
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
I think that what he is trying to get people to believe is that he meant said ladies should prove themselves worthy in the sense of a dying Capt. Miller telling Pvt. Ryan "Earn this." in Saving Private Ryan. I don't buy it; He believed the line far too flippantly to have meant it on that deem a level. He wasn't trying to be profound, he was just being an ass.
GMTA
23 | jaunte Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:29:16pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
Even in that sense, if Taranto wsn't the one making the sacrifice and asking the person he saved to live a good life, it's being hugely dickish.
24 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:31:05pm |
re: #20 Dark_Falcon
I think that what he is trying to get people to believe is that he meant said ladies should prove themselves worthy in the sense of a dying Capt. Miller telling Pvt. Ryan "Earn this." in Saving Private Ryan. I don't buy it; He believed the line far too flippantly to have meant it on that deem a level. He wasn't trying to be profound, he was just being an ass.
To be fair, earlier in the film, Miller also says:
"This Ryan better be worth it. He'd better go home and cure some disease or invent a longer-lasting lightbulb or something. 'Cause the truth is, I wouldn't trade 10 Ryans for one Vecchio or one Caparzo."
25 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:31:17pm |
I wasn't there, so I don't make comments.
I can't imagine what it was like, I have NO frame of reference.
I can't, for the life of me, think why anyone would attempt to pass judgement on the victims for their actions.
26 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:31:49pm |
Your boyfriend died because you touch yourself.
27 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:32:24pm |
Personal choice: I would never find Taranto worthy.
29 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:34:30pm |
re: #28 engineer cat
what incredibly poor taste
Honestly, it's beyond poor taste. Poor taste is Hustler Magazine.
I don't know the vocabulary word for this.
30 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:35:33pm |
re: #29 ggt
Honestly, it's beyond poor taste. Poor taste is Hustler Magazine.
I don't know the vocabulary word for this.
Odious.
31 | Digital Display Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:35:53pm |
Here is what Taranto is missing with his clumsy stupid post and world view.
For instance..The main plot line from Saving Private Ryan was when Ryan was saved he vowed to live his life to it's fullest and make the sacrifice of an other life mean something. It is Man's greatest achievement and lofty spiritual goal. 'There is no greater love than giving your life for another..'
This is why when I was leaving the Theater there were so many older people weeping in their seats.. This is who we are James T. You bring ugliness to new levels with such a stupid post
32 | R.M, Ramallo Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:36:22pm |
The battle to stay relevant has made people uncompromisingly stupid.
Am I the only one who gets a peeping tom vibe from this guy?
33 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:36:30pm |
34 | The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:38:19pm |
35 | Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:38:42pm |
Mountain Lion. Tomorrow.
Don't bother me. I'm updating the OS.
36 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:38:42pm |
The whole point of Saving Private Ryan is that they died needlessly in the hopeless defense of a stupid bridge they were going to blow up anyway. They should have retreated to the other side, blown it up, dropped their pants and shown the Germans their asses.
37 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:39:17pm |
I hope America is worthy of the sacrifice of the soldiers who die defending it. Does anybody think that's in bad taste?— James Taranto (@jamestaranto) July 25, 2012
38 | Digital Display Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:40:06pm |
re: #36 goddamnedfrank
The whole point of Saving Private Ryan is that they died needlessly in the hopeless defense of a stupid bridge they were going to blow up anyway. They should have retreated to the other side, blown it up, dropped their pants and shown the Germans their asses.
Hamburger Hill..
Vietnam..'nuff said brother
39 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:40:28pm |
re: #34 The Ghost of a Flea
Odious Fucknuttery.
And Douchebagging.
I'm just going to follow you around with a pencil and paper.
40 | Cap'n Magic Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:40:38pm |
@jamestaranto is an example of what happens when you lose all sense of honor and morality-like the GOP and other conservatives he fellates.
41 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:40:59pm |
re: #37 Kragar
Fuck it, I'm going bowling to bed.
Though I happen not be to a person with tender feet I stand in solidarity with those who do and against old Cowboy movies that slander them.— Michael J Nelson (@michaeljnelson) July 25, 2012
42 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:41:21pm |
re: #37 Kragar
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Well, since America is a collective term meaning HUMAN BEINGs --AND human beings have intrinsic value . . . . .
43 | Gretchen G.Tiger Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:42:10pm |
I'm going to go make some t-shirts. . . .
bbl
44 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:43:25pm |
Stop criticizing this man now! And leave poor Mitt Romney and his surrogates alone. Politics ain't beanbag, so that means racism, xenophobia, sexism, etc. are all legitimate and on the table.
Go Team Reactionary.
45 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:43:29pm |
re: #36 goddamnedfrank
The whole point of Saving Private Ryan is that they died needlessly in the hopeless defense of a stupid bridge they were going to blow up anyway. They should have retreated to the other side, blown it up, dropped their pants and shown the Germans their asses.
That "stupid bridge" was like a lot of them, namely the difference between crossing that point in the river or diverting men and material hours or days away to the next closest bridge.
46 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:43:46pm |
re: #37 Kragar
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I just saw that. I was thinking he was just being a douche to get attention. A Playboy model made some horrifying "joke" the other day (?) and I thought the same thing.
Until I read that about the soldiers. All I can say, he has just about the same understanding about women as he does about these United States. Not a whole lot.
47 | blueraven Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:44:11pm |
re: #37 Kragar
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Seriously?
Lets see here. We send soldiers off to a war. These days they are all volunteers...in other words, eyes wide open to the danger they face. They sacrifice for the rest of us.
Now on the other hand, enter a theater and crazed gunman starts firing.
Seriously?
48 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:44:22pm |
re: #36 goddamnedfrank
The whole point of Saving Private Ryan is that they died needlessly in the hopeless defense of a stupid bridge they were going to blow up anyway. They should have retreated to the other side, blown it up, dropped their pants and shown the Germans their asses.
Orders were to hold bridges if at all possible to aid in the advance. Maybe the orders did not make sense in this case, but Spielberg was right to show his characters following standing orders.
"Theirs was not to make reply,
Theirs was not to reason why,
Theirs was but to do and die.
Into the Valley of Death,
Rode the Six Hundred."
49 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:46:23pm |
re: #46 What, me worry?
I just saw that. I was thinking he was just being a douche to get attention. A Playboy model made some horrifying "joke" the other day (?) and I thought the same thing.
Until I read that about the soldiers. All I can say, he has just about the same understanding about women as he does about these United States. Not a whole lot.
This one?
Deadmau5 blasts Playboy model over callous tweet about Colorado shooting; model defends ‘joke’
Playboy model Tricia Evans is catching heat over a recent tweet about last week’s movie theater bloodbath in Aurora, Colo.
“I hear the new Batman movie is really ‘to die for’! Too soon?” the blond bombshell wrote on Twitter Friday, the same day 12 people were killed in a shooting at a midnight showing of “Dark Knight Rises.”
For many followers, it was indeed “too soon.”
Electronic dance music artist Deadmau5 is among those who balked at Evan’s insensitive comment.
“I seriously had no idea how big of a piece of s--- you are. unfollowed,” he replied on Twitter.
50 | Digital Display Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:46:24pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Sorry..I have only one ding to give you..Beautiful reference to wars
51 | The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:46:58pm |
I hope America is worthy of the sacrifice of the soldiers who die defending it. Does anybody think that's in bad taste?— James Taranto (@jamestaranto) July 25, 2012
Since that statement implicitly requires the US to live up to your standard of worthiness...yes, Mr. Taranto, it's in bad fucking taste.
52 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:47:20pm |
re: #37 Kragar
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It's a different thing to say "I hope that we will be worthy", than it is to say "I sure hope those girls were worthy."
If you can't see the difference, tough.
Those boys didn't go in harm's way so that you could fret aloud about whether their girlfriends were good enough for them.
53 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:48:19pm |
re: #47 blueraven
Seriously?
Lets see here. We send soldiers off to a war. These days they are all volunteers...in other words, eyes wide open to the danger they face. They sacrifice for the rest of us.
Now on the other hand, enter a theater and crazed gunman starts firing.
Seriously?
That's the other thing. We send soldiers to face danger. We had damn well better be worth it.
Those young women did not tell Holmes to go on a killing spree.
54 | SteveMcG Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:49:05pm |
re: #36 goddamnedfrank
The whole point of Saving Private Ryan is that they died needlessly in the hopeless defense of a stupid bridge they were going to blow up anyway. They should have retreated to the other side, blown it up, dropped their pants and shown the Germans their asses.
Not quite. You don't just abandon a bridgehead. Otherwise somebody else is going to get killed recrossing that river you just gave up. Blowing that bridge is a last resort. Even the Germans waited as long as possible to blow bridges, and they were retreating.
55 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:51:04pm |
re: #49 Kragar
This one?
Deadmau5 blasts Playboy model over callous tweet about Colorado shooting; model defends ‘joke’
That be the one!
56 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:51:31pm |
re: #54 SteveMcG
Not quite. You don't just abandon a bridgehead. Otherwise somebody else is going to get killed recrossing that river you just gave up. Blowing that bridge is a last resort. Even the Germans waited as long as possible to blow bridges, and they were retreating.
They blew the bridges as a last resort, even towards the end. It might slow the oncoming enemy, but it also meant that those bridges would have to be rebuilt or a new crossing found should they go back on the attack or simply for convenience in the post-war era.
57 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:52:38pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Orders were to hold bridges if at all possible to aid in the advance. Maybe the orders did not make sense in this case, but Spielberg was right to show his characters following standing orders.
"Theirs was not to make reply,
Theirs was not to reason why,
Theirs was but to do and die.
Into the Valley of Death,
Rode the Six Hundred."
Yes, that mentality worked so well in northern France in World War I. And at Gallipoli and elsewhere.
Honor the men who died, needless or not. But don't honor the moronic decisions made by the people who sent them to their death; people who couldn't think of anything else to do but continue to supply a steady stream of machine gun fodder.
58 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:54:30pm |
How come I get the nagging feeling that Mr. Taranto would have been the fellow leaping over seats, knocking over grannies and kids to get to the exit?
59 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:55:18pm |
re: #45 Targetpractice
That "stupid bridge" was like a lot of them, namely the difference between crossing that point in the river or diverting men and material hours or days away to the next closest bridge.
As an audience member this falls into the category of not my fucking problem. If you're going to dick over the protagonist at the very end of the film that's fine, but do it classy and out of the blue like Das Boot.
Twenty minutes of grinding carnage, watching the good guys get decimated piecemeal, having the released nazi soldier come back to intimately, almost sexually kill the Jewish GI slowly with a knife, and then everybody die when the bridge was wired from the get go was a giant donkey punch to the viewer. If they were buying time for the engineers to set up the detonation charges then the defense might have made sense, but the charges were already set and it was pretty clear from the very beginning of the engagement that they were hopelessly outnumbered and overmatched.
61 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:56:10pm |
re: #51 The Ghost of a Flea
Since that statement implicitly requires the US to live up to your standard of worthiness...yes, Mr. Taranto, it's in bad fucking taste.
I think the statement is offensive on its face, whether this douchebag (or some other) was the one who tweeted it. It suggests that America may not be worthy of an armed forces willing to lay down their lives. Does that sound like a pro-American thing to say? To even consider that America's citizenry and economic interests aren't worth protecting seems, well, kinda un-American.
62 | Digital Display Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:56:22pm |
re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist
Hi You! I'll be spending the weekend in the City..I'm pretty jacked to see my friend again and be back in Cali..I got a list going...
1. Tommy's Joint
2. Hamburger Marys for a bluebird burger
3. a Nation's Apple Pie
4. Some artsy fartsy street fair that I know for a fact that Dianne is going to make me go to.. :)
hope you are well
63 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:56:33pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Orders were to hold bridges if at all possible to aid in the advance. Maybe the orders did not make sense in this case, but Spielberg was right to show his characters following standing orders.
"Theirs was not to make reply,
Theirs was not to reason why,
Theirs was but to do and die.
Into the Valley of Death,
Rode the Six Hundred."
"C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre. C'est de la folie" I prefer to quote the whole thing and it's what I'm reminded of here. Almost all of war is folie. Sometimes necessary folie, but folie nonetheless as the young men die. But that's the NCO in me coming through...
64 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:56:44pm |
re: #58 What, me worry?
How come I get the nagging feeling that Mr. Taranto would have been the fellow leaping over seats, knocking over grannies and kids to get to the exit?
Remember Greg Stillson at the end of "The Dead Zone"?
65 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:58:13pm |
re: #64 Kragar
Remember Greg Stillson at the end of "The Dead Zone"?
Refresh my memory. I had George Castanza in mind, but then it was just funny.
66 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:58:20pm |
re: #64 Kragar
Remember Greg Stillson at the end of "The Dead Zone"?
Always thought that one was one of King's better works.
67 | Shiplord Kirel Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:58:33pm |
Taranto has never read Joseph Campbell or he wasn't paying attention when he did. He knows nothing about the mythos of the sacrificial hero. The question is not whether the beneficiary is worthy of the sacrifice, in the sense of having a value equal to or greater than that of the sacrificed hero. It is whether the hero is worthy of making the sacrifice. That is, does he pass the test by being both willing and able to make the sacrifice?
68 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:58:42pm |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Orders were to hold bridges if at all possible to aid in the advance. Maybe the orders did not make sense in this case, but Spielberg was right to show his characters following standing orders.
"Theirs was not to make reply,
Theirs was not to reason why,
Theirs was but to do and die.
Into the Valley of Death,
Rode the Six Hundred."
In a foreign field, he lay
Lonely soldier, unknown grave
On his dying words, he prays
Tell the world of Paschendale
69 | freetoken Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:59:28pm |
Swaine is sticking to his guns:
@baseballcrank @eliasisquith Hi, they aren't staffers. They are both members of his foreign policy advisory team. I explain anonymity at end
— Jon Swaine (@jonswaine) July 25, 2012
70 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:59:38pm |
re: #65 What, me worry?
Refresh my memory. I had George Castanza in mind, but then it was just funny.
Martin Sheen plays Stillson
71 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 8:59:39pm |
72 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:00:19pm |
re: #57 palomino
Yes, that mentality worked so well in northern France in World War I. And at Gallipoli and elsewhere.
Honor the men who died, needless or not. But don't honor the moronic decisions made by the people who sent them to their death; people who couldn't think of anything else to do but continue to supply a steady stream of machine gun fodder.
I know, palomino, I know. I was just saying that Steven Spielberg was right to show the characters following what the orders they historically would have been under. I was not praising the wisdom of those orders.
73 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:00:46pm |
I mean, we can't all be heroes (and, you know, we won't), but I don't think that's something anyone would wish to gloat over. SFZ said the same upthread.
74 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:00:52pm |
re: #59 goddamnedfrank
As an audience member this falls into the category of not my fucking problem. If you're going to dick over the protagonist at the very end of the film that's fine, but do it classy and out of the blue like Das Boot.
Twenty minutes of grinding carnage, watching the good guys get decimated piecemeal, having the released nazi soldier come back to intimately, almost sexually kill the Jewish GI slowly with a knife, and then everybody die when the bridge was wired from the get go was a giant donkey punch to the viewer. If they were buying time for the engineers to set up the detonation charges then the defense might have made sense, but the charges were already set and it was pretty clear from the very beginning of the engagement that they were hopelessly outnumbered and overmatched.
Believe it or not, that's pretty much what the real Major Winters (of Band of Brothers fame) said he'd have done, namely blow the bridge and let engineers replace it. Spielberg's response was classic Hollywood, namely that that wouldn't have made for a dramatic movie.
75 | SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:00:54pm |
re: #62 Digital Display
Hi You! I'll be spending the weekend in the City..I'm pretty jacked to see my friend again and be back in Cali..I got a list going...
1. Tommy's Joint
2. Hamburger Marys for a bluebird burger
3. a Nation's Apple Pie
4. Some artsy fartsy street fair that I know for a fact that Dianne is going to make me go to.. :)
hope you are well
:)
76 | What, me worry? Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:01:44pm |
77 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:02:34pm |
re: #74 Targetpractice
Believe it or not, that's pretty much what the real Major Winters (of Band of Brothers fame) he'd have done, namely blow the bridge and let engineers replace it. Spielberg's response was classic Hollywood, namely that that wouldn't have made for a dramatic movie.
Yeah, at some point you have to decide not to throw lives away.
78 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:02:57pm |
re: #68 Kragar
In a foreign field, he lay
Lonely soldier, unknown grave
On his dying words, he prays
Tell the world of Paschendale
Bent double, like old beggars under sacks,
Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge,
Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs
And towards our distant rest began to trudge.
Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots
But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind;
Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots
Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind.
Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling,
Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time;
But someone still was yelling out and stumbling,
And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime . . .
Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light,
As under a green sea, I saw him drowning.
In all my dreams, before my helpless sight,
He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning.
If in some smothering dreams you too could pace
Behind the wagon that we flung him in,
And watch the white eyes writhing in his face,
His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin;
If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood
Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs,
Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud
Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues,
My friend, you would not tell with such high zest
To children ardent for some desperate glory,
The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est
Pro patria mori.
79 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:04:14pm |
re: #77 Mocking Jay
Yeah, at some point you have to decide not to throw lives away.
That's what got Montgomery so much flak with Market Garden, that there were too few men trying to take and hold too many objectives.
80 | engineer cat Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:04:20pm |
re: #62 Digital Display
hey! i finally found a picture of tommy's joynt before the late 60s era paint job:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
81 | aagcobb Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:05:08pm |
re: #59 goddamnedfrank
As an audience member this falls into the category of not my fucking problem. If you're going to dick over the protagonist at the very end of the film that's fine, but do it classy and out of the blue like Das Boot.
Twenty minutes of grinding carnage, watching the good guys get decimated piecemeal, having the released nazi soldier come back to intimately, almost sexually kill the Jewish GI slowly with a knife, and then everybody die when the bridge was wired from the get go was a giant donkey punch to the viewer. If they were buying time for the engineers to set up the detonation charges then the defense might have made sense, but the charges were already set and it was pretty clear from the very beginning of the engagement that they were hopelessly outnumbered and overmatched.
But the opening of the movie of the Normandy Invasion is, I think, the greatest war scene ever filmed.
82 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:06:22pm |
re: #81 aagcobb
But the opening of the movie of the Normandy Invasion is, I think, the greatest war scene ever filmed.
I think the initial scene of Enemy at the Gates rivals it-- the river-crossing and advance.
83 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:06:53pm |
re: #81 aagcobb
But the opening of the movie of the Normandy Invasion is, I think, the greatest war scene ever filmed.
The final charge from the Light Horsmen is really good.
84 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:07:17pm |
re: #82 Obdicut
I think the initial scene of Enemy at the Gates rivals it-- the river-crossing and advance.
Yeah, that was good.
85 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:07:39pm |
re: #81 aagcobb
But the opening of the movie of the Normandy Invasion is, I think, the greatest war scene ever filmed.
Oh yeah, the cinematography, editing and battle choreography is fantastic there. The ending however is like watching E.T. end up on the autopsy table.
86 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:08:53pm |
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
The ending however is like watching E.T. end up on the autopsy table.
Thanks for making my childhood memories scream, Frank.
87 | BryanS Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:09:24pm |
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
Oh yeah, the cinematography, editing and battle choreography is fantastic there. The ending however is like watching E.T. end up on the autopsy table.
Agreed on all counts. That was also probably the point, though. War sucks.
88 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:10:03pm |
re: #86 Obdicut
Thanks for making my childhood memories scream, Frank.
Huh. And here I am thinking he might be on to something.
89 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:12:22pm |
Did anyone else read that book about ET when he goes home to his home planet and... does some stuff?
I liked it, as a kid.
90 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:13:37pm |
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
It's got this whole subplot about Eliot getting a crush on a girl.
91 | BryanS Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:13:50pm |
re: #89 Obdicut
Did anyone else read that book about ET when he goes home to his home planet and... does some stuff?
I liked it, as a kid.
I was more into the ET video game on my Atari 2600 :) It was such a bad game, but hey, it was ET.
92 | prairiefire Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:14:35pm |
93 | Digital Display Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:14:50pm |
re: #80 engineer cat
hey! i finally found a picture of tommy's joynt before the late 60s era paint job:
[Link: www.flickr.com...]
One day a bunch of us guys went to Tommys and they had beer stocked from every country in the world.. Our Goal was to drink ourselves around the world.. Of course we didn't get close..But it sure was fun.. Those were fun days going to the City.. We used to play Pool at a small little hole in the wall called the Black Magic..Great times
94 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:18:02pm |
The fuk?
More reports emerge of potential plans for a third 'Hobbit' film from Peter Jackson
I loved LotR as much as I could. Can't wait for the Hobbit. But is this really necessary?
96 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:21:08pm |
re: #94 Mocking Jay
The fuk?
More reports emerge of potential plans for a third 'Hobbit' film from Peter Jackson
I loved LotR as much as I could. Can't wait for the Hobbit. But is this really necessary?
What, did the studio ask Peter if he could pad it out into three movies?
97 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:21:15pm |
And BP better not make a dime off of this....
Lionsgate and Participant Media Will Bring Us ‘Deepwater Horizon’
“The rig, which was owned and operated by Transocean and drilling for BP in the Macondo Prospect oil field about 40 miles southeast of the Louisiana coast, blew up and the explosion killed 11 workers and injured 16 others. The drama will focus on the courage of those who worked on the Deepwater Horizon oil rig and the final minutes up to the disaster, and the attempt of more than 100 others to stay alive.”
98 | R.M, Ramallo Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:21:54pm |
re: #94 Mocking Jay
Sounds like he's been talking to George Lucas.
99 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:22:43pm |
re: #78 Obdicut
God yes, best war poem ever written.
100 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:22:46pm |
re: #96 Targetpractice
What, did the studio ask Peter if he could pad it out into three movies?
They want to expand it using Tolkien's notes, including stuff he wrote later to make it mesh with the LOTR series.
101 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:23:17pm |
re: #82 Obdicut
I think the initial scene of Enemy at the Gates rivals it-- the river-crossing and advance.
Epic scene and a truly frightening vision of what it would have looked like to be attacked by Stukas.
102 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:23:33pm |
re: #98 OhNoZombies!
Sounds like he's been talking to George Lucas.
"2 words, Peter. Action. Figures. You with me?"
103 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:23:33pm |
re: #100 Kragar
They want to expand it using Tolkien's notes, including stuff he wrote later to make it mesh with the LOTR series.
Well, I guess I could see that. But then I'm not a die-hard fan of the books, so I'm a poor judge on how they're gonna react.
104 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:23:47pm |
re: #85 goddamnedfrank
Oh yeah, the cinematography, editing and battle choreography is fantastic there. The ending however is like watching E.T. end up on the autopsy table.
That's the problem with nearly every Speilberg movie after Jaws.
He has to find a way to tack on a corny "Hollywood ending" no matter what. He's still a very smart and gifted filmmaker, but if he didn't have that simplistic desire to always push audience's buttons with tearjerking endings, he could have been one of the all-time greats. (I know there are some exceptions to what I've said, but that's primarily because Speilberg has directed like 900 movies, so no rule will apply to all of them).
105 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:23:54pm |
re: #98 OhNoZombies!
Sounds like he's been talking to George Lucas.
Eh. Jackson still has cred with me. I trust him. It's just mind-boggling to me that he thinks there's enough material for it and that it justifies dragging this story out.
106 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:26:09pm |
Now I'm in the mood to watch The Frighteners again.
107 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:26:16pm |
re: #105 Mocking Jay
Eh. Jackson still has cred with me. I trust him. It's just mind-boggling to me that he thinks there's enough material for it and that it justifies dragging this story out.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Hobbit wasn't all that epic, know what I mean?
108 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:26:50pm |
re: #106 Kragar
Now I'm in the mood to watch The Frighteners again.
Totally had a crush on that woman when I first saw that film.
109 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:27:47pm |
re: #83 Kragar
The final charge from the Light Horsmen is really good.
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I love that this one was historical. Those troops always dismounted, fought as infantry & died like infantry as a result. That day at Beersheeba they changed the result by being cavalry instead. They caught that better in this film than movies usually do.
110 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:27:53pm |
re: #106 Kragar
Now I'm in the mood to watch The Frighteners again.
God, haven't seen that movie in years.
111 | Obdicut Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:27:54pm |
re: #107 Mocking Jay
I guess what I'm trying to say is that the Hobbit wasn't all that epic, know what I mean?
I support this only as long as he released three movies, called "The Ho", "Bb", and "It". (May have to fight with Stephen King for that one.)
112 | R.M, Ramallo Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:34:50pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
I refuse to watch anything called "The Ho".
Especially if it's about Shirefolk!
LOL
113 | aagcobb Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:35:20pm |
re: #111 Obdicut
I support this only as long as he released three movies, called "The Ho", "Bb", and "It". (May have to fight with Stephen King for that one.)
Financially, it makes all the sense in the world. Another movie, another billion dollar box office.
114 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:37:20pm |
“Well, it’s obvious that John McCain didn’t even read the letter because of what he said in accusing Michele and us of making these horrible accusations,” Gohmert told conservative radio host Dennis Miller on Tuesday.“And I wish some of these numbnuts would go out and read the letter before they make these horrible allegations about the horrible accusations we’re making.”
115 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:37:23pm |
re: #109 William Barnett-Lewis
I love that this one was historical. Those troops always dismounted, fought as infantry & died like infantry as a result. That day at Beersheeba they changed the result by being cavalry instead. They caught better than movies usually do.
Only thing they could do. Taking Beersheeba before the Turks were able to demolish its wells meant an emphasis on speed, not firepower.Attacking mounted was the only viable option.
116 | prairiefire Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:38:09pm |
re: #100 Kragar
From what I remember, I think those notes were mostly background color and did not expand the narrative. geek/
117 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:38:56pm |
re: #114 goddamnedfrank
As he sometimes does, John McCain is making the right enemies.
118 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:43:05pm |
re: #112 OhNoZombies!
I refuse to watch anything called "The Ho".
Especially if it's about Shirefolk!
LOL
Why did the Elf slap the Hobbit?
He kept saying how nice her hair smelled.
119 | BryanS Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:44:32pm |
re: #114 goddamnedfrank
Followed some of the links...so this idiot is upset McCain called him out over the ridiculous public accusation that a Clinton aid and spouse of former Congressman was a spy for the Muslim Brotherhood? McCain was right to call this a "specious and degrading attack".
120 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:44:52pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
Only thing they could do. Taking Beersheeba before the Turks were able to demolish its wells meant an emphasis on speed, not firepower.Attacking mounted was the only viable option.
DF, you and I have both probably studied nearly the same amount of military history. This was not an especially great field commander but that day he called it correctly and the troops were able to do what they needed to.
Still, the big irony is that the world might well have been better off if Britain had failed during WWI in the middle east... :eek:
121 | andres Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:44:57pm |
What. The. F**k??? First Romney's Adviser's "Anglo-Saxon Heritage" and now this?
There's out of bounds, and then there's this.
123 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:47:32pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
He should go visit the girls and tell them and their families this in person.
That'd mean that he'd have to stop playing armchair pundit, get off his ass and get it on a plane, and face these people in person.
He wouldn't do it, because Taranto is a prime example of the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.
124 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:48:31pm |
re: #7 Targetpractice
Because really, while you're grieving your loved one, that's what you want to hear somebody say, "I hope you were worth it."
What a disgusting human being.
What a shithead.
125 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:51:03pm |
re: #119 BryanS
Followed some of the links...so this idiot is upset McCain called him out over the ridiculous public accusation that a Clinton aid and spouse of former Congressman was a spy for the Muslim Brotherhood? McCain was right to call this a "specious and degrading attack".
In his speech McCain also called Frank Gaffney, the guy behind everything a long time friend of his, then edited that part out of the Senate record.
126 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:51:14pm |
re: #114 goddamnedfrank
I take back the one nice thing I ever said about Rep. Gohmert.
Funny thing about Dennis Miller interviewing him--Miller, for 20 years, made a career out of viciously lampooning reactionary yokels like Gohmert and Bachmann. Now he defends them and kisses their asses.
Oh, well, gotta make a living. And Miller did make a witty observation, albeit a play on CSNY lyrics, on the Iraq War and why he supported it from the start: "If you can't be with the one you hate [bin Laden], then hate the one you're with [Saddam]." A perfect assessment of his own cynicism regarding the war.
127 | goddamnedfrank Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:54:13pm |
re: #125 goddamnedfrank
In his speech McCain also called Frank Gaffney, the guy behind everything a long time friend of his, then edited that part out of the Senate record.
Go 56 seconds into the video for the excised section:
128 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:56:43pm |
re: #126 palomino
I take back the one nice thing I ever said about Rep. Gohmert.
Funny thing about Dennis Miller interviewing him--Miller, for 20 years, made a career out of viciously lampooning reactionary yokels like Gohmert and Bachmann. Now he defends them and kisses their asses.
Oh, well, gotta make a living. And Miller did make a witty observation, albeit a play on CSNY lyrics, on the Iraq War and why he supported it from the start: "If you can't be with the one you hate [bin Laden], then hate the one you're with [Saddam]." A perfect assessment of his own cynicism regarding the war.
It's about Bush, mostly. Dennis Miller refused to hate on George W. Bush the way a number of liberals he had on his HBO show did, especially Alfrie Woodard, whose claim that AG John Ashcroft represented "separatism" , a charge for which she offered no evidence. While 9/11 completed Miller's move to the right, he had been on his way there for months already..
129 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 9:56:45pm |
re: #86 Obdicut
Thanks for making my childhood memories scream, Frank.
If there ever is a remake of E.T. in the future, that just might happen, if just for the abhorrent shock factor.
Hollywood has been skullfucking our childhood cinematic memories for at least the past 15-20 years, because most of the studio heads, producers, directors, and screenwriters are unoriginal bastards.
131 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:00:36pm |
re: #129 TedStriker
If there ever is a remake of E.T. in the future, that just might happen, if just for the abhorrent shock factor.
Hollywood has been skullfucking our childhood cinematic memories for at least the past 15-20 years, because most of the studio heads, producers, directors, and screenwriters are unoriginal bastards.
From 21 Jump Street:
Deputy Chief Hardy: We're reviving a canceled undercover project from the '80s and revamping it for modern times. The people behind this lack creativity and they've run out of ideas, so what they do now is just recycle shit from the past and hope that nobody will notice.
132 | BryanS Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:04:21pm |
re: #125 goddamnedfrank
In his speech McCain also called Frank Gaffney, the guy behind everything a long time friend of his, then edited that part out of the Senate record.
Were you saying Gaffney was behind the accusation of treason, McCain called him out, then McCain backed off? I suppose if it is no longer in the record, it's no longer in the record. But unringing a bell doesn't work very well.
133 | Mich-again Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:04:23pm |
This quote from the WSJ's Taranto shows his conspiracy theorist DNA .. Because as soon as they drop their guard, their guns will get sucked into the gun control tractor beam and disappear.
Now, there's a very good reason why coastal elites' arguments for gun control fall on deaf ears in most of Middle America. Those who value the Second Amendment suspect that people like Dionne and Bloomberg advocate "reasonable" gun restrictions as a camel's nose to a total or near-total ban on private ownership of firearms and their use for self-defense.
The entire basis for the NRA's existence is a conspiracy theory, something like... Unless you join and donate to the NRA, someday very soon, President Fill-in-the-blank is going to enact Marshall Law and send soldiers to pound down your door to confiscate your rifle and ammo!!
134 | BryanS Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:06:00pm |
re: #132 BryanS
Just viewed the video. Not a wise thing for McCain to draw more attention to it by removing comments from the record.
135 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:07:47pm |
re: #133 Mich-again
This quote from the WSJ's Taranto shows his conspiracy theorist DNA .. Because as soon as they drop their guard, their guns will get sucked into the gun control tractor beam and disappear.
The entire basis for the NRA's existence is a conspiracy theory, something like... Unless you join and donate to the NRA, someday very soon, President Fill-in-the-blank is going to enact Marshall Law and send soldiers to pound down your door to confiscate your rifle and ammo!!
Thing is, I've heard more than one wingnut use that same argument since Friday. "It's high-capacity magazines today, but it'll be all the guns tomorrow!"
136 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:11:27pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Thing is, I've heard more than one wingnut use that same argument since Friday. "It's high-capacity magazines today, but it'll be all the guns tomorrow!"
The RWNJs really, really want Red Dawn, don't they?
137 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:14:42pm |
re: #136 TedStriker
The RWNJs really, really want Red Dawn, don't they?
They're absolutely convinced that scene where the Cuban Col. orders the KGB officers to go grab the Form 4473s is gonna one day be a reality, only it's gonna be the ATF knocking down their door and dragging them away.
138 | Mich-again Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:16:02pm |
re: #135 Targetpractice
Thing is, I've heard more than one wingnut use that same argument since Friday. "It's high-capacity magazines today, but it'll be all the guns tomorrow!"
It is the entire basis for the NRA. The conspiracy theory that any government monitoring of weapon and ammunition sales will ultimately lead to mass confiscation of all arms and weapons once they know who has what.
139 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:16:03pm |
140 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:17:49pm |
Youtube someone put together combining SPR clips with an Iron Maiden song on the same subject.
141 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:20:13pm |
Speaking of people who believe their own bullshit:
Arizona sheriff denies targeting illegal immigrants by skin color
PHOENIX (Reuters) - Veteran Arizona lawman Joe Arpaio, self-described as "America's toughest sheriff," denied on Tuesday that his deputies targeted people because of the color of their skin in a controversial crackdown on illegal immigration.
Arpaio, sheriff of Arizona's Maricopa County, was testifying in a class-action lawsuit that will test whether police can target illegal immigrants without racially profiling Hispanic citizens and legal residents.
"I am against anyone racial profiling ... today, as in my 50 years in law enforcement," Arpaio, a veteran lawman who recently turned 80, told the court during cross-examination.
142 | Mich-again Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:20:14pm |
re: #136 TedStriker
The RWNJs really, really want Red Dawn, don't they?
exactly.. ooh ooh can I be an extra!
143 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:21:12pm |
re: #128 Dark_Falcon
It's about Bush, mostly. Dennis Miller refused to hate on George W. Bush the way a number of liberals he had on his HBO show did, especially Alfrie Woodard, whose claim that AG John Ashcroft represented "separatism" , a charge for which she offered no evidence. While 9/11 completed Miller's move to the right, he had been on his way there for months already..
My recollection was that Miller was always more libertarian than liberal back in the old days. But he certainly had a special fondness in his heart for calling out far right reactionary kooks like Bachmann and Gohmert. Now he kisses up to them, by choice. Sad, don't you think?
It's one thing to evolve ideologically, another entirely to go full right wing Limbaugh...a simplistic overreaction to 9/11 and its aftermath.
As for Ms. Woodard, she may have had a point:
Southern Partisan: "Setting the Record Straight"
Attorney general nominee praised white supremacist magazine1/12/01
"Your magazine also helps set the record straight. You've got a heritage of doing that, of defending Southern patriots like [Robert E.] Lee, [Stonewall] Jackson and [Confederate President Jefferson] Davis. Traditionalists must do more. I've got to do more. We've all got to stand up and speak in this respect, or else we'll be taught that these people were giving their lives, subscribing their sacred fortunes and their honor to some perverted agenda."
--John Ashcroft, Southern Partisan magazine interview (Second Quarter/1998)
144 | Mich-again Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:23:53pm |
re: #141 Targetpractice
"I am against anyone racial profiling ... today, as in my 50 years in law enforcement," Arpaio, a veteran lawman who recently turned 80, told the court during cross-examination.
his comment was followed by a short awkward moment of silence after which the entire court room including the judge, jury, lawyers for both sides and Arpaio himself erupted into laughter.
145 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:26:36pm |
re: #143 palomino
My recollection was that Miller was always more libertarian than liberal back in the old days. But he certainly had a special fondness in his heart for calling out far right reactionary kooks like Bachmann and Gohmert. Now he kisses up to them, by choice. Sad, don't you think.
It's one thing to evolve ideologically, another entirely to go full right wing Limbaugh...a simplistic overreaction to 9/11 and its aftermath.
As for Ms. Woodard, she may have had a point:
Holy fucking shit on that Ashcroft quote; to think that this panderer to white supremacists and those who would love to have their own Confederacy was the Attorney General of the United States...in this century.
146 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:30:30pm |
re: #141 Targetpractice
Speaking of people who believe their own bullshit:
Arizona sheriff denies targeting illegal immigrants by skin color
Uhh, yeah, Joe, sure your department didn't and doesn't engage in racial profiling.
Just like an inordinate amount of Latino prisoners didn't wind up on a slab in the Maricopa County morgue after being in the care of your employees in the jail that you run.
147 | freetoken Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:30:36pm |
re: #144 Mich-again
I just wished somehow the prosecutor could work in Arpaio's birtherism quest and his nutty ventures to Hawaii to prove the birth certificate was fake. I think it would go a long way to show that Arpaio isn't a credible witness.
148 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:31:34pm |
re: #147 freetoken
I just wished somehow the prosecutor could work in Arpaio's birtherism quest and his nutty ventures to Hawaii to prove the birth certificate was fake. I think it would go a long way to show that Arpaio isn't a credible witness.
I still love the latest press conference, where they tried to assert that refusal to go along with their witch hunt was itself proof that there's some truth to the witch hunt.
149 | Cheechako Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:32:44pm |
They're absolutely convinced that scene where the Cuban Col. orders the KGB officers to go grab the Form 4473s is gonna one day be a reality, only it's gonna be the ATF knocking down their door and dragging them away.
I wonder just how many ATF Agents, soldiers, or police officers will want to voluntarily go door to door collecting weapons? Could be very hazardous to their health. There's just too many firearms out there to even think about collecting more than a very small portion. Most firearm owners will just hide them for a later day.
150 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:36:10pm |
re: #145 TedStriker
Holy fucking shit on that Ashcroft quote; to think that this panderer to white supremacists and those who would love to have their own Confederacy was the Attorney General of the United States...in this century.
I was born and raised in TX, didn't move away til I was 22. Above all else, the thing that bothered me most about the dead-enders like Ashcroft was their unwillingness to admit that the southern agenda was indeed perverted. Or even that slavery was a major cause of the war. Or even have the decency to accept some responsibility for it...strange that the party of personal responsibility can't take any responsibility for owning persons.
Yeah, there were many reasons for the war, but each state made it clear in its Articles of Secession that slavery was one of, if not the, most important reason for leaving the Union.
151 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:36:32pm |
re: #149 Cheechako
I wonder just how many ATF Agents, soldiers, or police officers will want to voluntarily go door to door collecting weapons? Could be very hazardous to their health. There's just too many firearms out there to even think about collecting more than a very small portion. Most firearm owners will just hide them for a later day.
Many of these RWNJs are bereft of logic and divorced from reality; they want something like the Red Dawn scenario to come to pass, just so they can be free of the social shackles that proscribes them from shooting willy-nilly at people they feel are a threat.
152 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:44:21pm |
I've done pretty well this thread and its after midnight here, so I'm going to sign off while I'm ahead.
153 | ozbloke Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:45:22pm |
re: #152 Dark_Falcon
I've done pretty well this thread and its after midnight here, so I'm going to sign off while I'm ahead.
Gnite DF
154 | palomino Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:46:25pm |
re: #152 Dark_Falcon
I've done pretty well this thread and its after midnight here, so I'm going to sign off while I'm ahead.
You're not ahead. You were wrong about Alfre Woodard, so you lose. Hahaha.
///
155 | Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 24, 2012 10:53:09pm |
Hey, LGF made the top of Kos' Rec list tonight...
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]
156 | William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:07:51pm |
re: #155 Mocking Jay
OY! KT will be spluttering madly in the morning...!
157 | Mich-again Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:15:00pm |
I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were worthy of the sacrifice.
Pretzel logic meets double helix.
158 | HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:16:07pm |
What the hell is the point of even tweeting that? What an asshat.
160 | Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:17:13pm |
re: #151 TedStriker
Many of these RWNJs are bereft of logic and divorced from reality; they want something like the Red Dawn scenario to come to pass, just so they can be free of the social shackles that proscribes them from shooting willy-nilly at people they feel are a threat.
Just came back quick for one last thought: Those who would like to emulate Red Dawn should remember this: Most of the Wolverines in Red Dawn die. Of the six boys who initially flee into the mountains, only one of them, Danny (played by Brad Savage), actually survives the war, along with one of the two girls whose safety the Wolverines were entrusted with. In this, if in little else, Red Dawn reflects reality. Insurgent forces tend to take heavy casualties once an occupying force decides to make a major effort to eliminate them. As soon as the Red Army sends Col. Strelnikov after the Wolverines and gives him enough force for a major anti-partisan sweep, their fate as insurgents is sealed. The two who survive only do so by escaping Soviet-held territory.
So wingnuts looking to being a guerrilla war against those they hate should really think again, because the odds and their beloved movie say that if they got their wish it would kill them.
Good Night for real this time.
161 | MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:26:39pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
Just came back quick for one last thought: Those who would like to emulate Red Dawn should remember this: Most of the Wolverines in Red Dawn die. Of the six boys who initially flee into the mountains, only one of them, Danny (played by Brad Savage), actually survives the war, along with one of the two girls whose safety the Wolverines were entrusted with. In this, if in little else, Red Dawn reflects reality. Insurgent forces tend to take heavy casualties once an occupying force decides to make a major effort to eliminate them. As soon as the Red Army sends Col. Strelnikov after the Wolverines and gives him enough force for a major anti-partisan sweep, their fate as insurgents is sealed. The two who survive only do so by escaping Soviet-held territory.
So wingnuts looking to being a guerrilla war against those they hate should really think again, because the odds and their beloved movie say that if they got their wish it would kill them.
Good Night for real this time.
These are points that escape gun-crazy RWNJs...
162 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:31:10pm |
5 Reasons 'Red Dawn' Is Secretly a Subversive Anti-War Film
Ah, Red Dawn. It's easy to make fun of a movie about a high school football team led by Patrick Swayze single-handedly defeating the Soviet army. And we have done just that in the past. But what looks ridiculous in 2010 looked like prophecy to millions of teenagers in 1984.
Kids who grew up in the Reagan era did monthly "duck and cover" nuclear war drills in the classroom. A movie about them and their classmates fighting the Russians wasn't science fiction -- it's what they fully expected to be doing in a few years. And Red Dawn embodied Reagan's "we'll kill the commies with our awesomeness" spirit better than any movie except maybe Rocky IV (which is why National Review ranked it among the best conservative films).
That is, as long as you don't think about it too hard. If you dig into the details of this action epic you find a pretty damning indictment of Reagan, the U.S. military and even America itself. In fact, it might be the most anti-American movie made outside of the Middle East.
163 | HappyWarrior Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:33:43pm |
I think the point of the Red Dawn fantasy is not just imagining one's self fighting an invading enemy but also "liberal traitors." I think many of the RWNJ have this fantasy that if we got invaded by Islamists or Communists that the left would be eager collaborators. I've never seen the film but given the American right's tendency to believe that American liberals hate the country, I think it's a fair assumption that's an as part of the fantasy. It's fun to pretend I guess but sooner than later we have to realize we're all Americans. Too often we hear from a right wing politician about how liberals don't live or understand "real America." Left wing enclaves on the coasts or in the big cities are as American as the small towns. Anyhow, rant over but as someone who lives in a suburban small town but also spends a lot of time in an urban environment, words can't really express how much I resent it when politicians play that game to cause resentment.
164 | freetoken Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:34:51pm |
re: #162 Kragar
I realize that Cracked is a humor site, but:
Kids who grew up in the Reagan era did monthly "duck and cover" nuclear war drills in the classroom.
... is just ahistorical. "duck and cover" was 20 years before the Reagan presidency.
165 | boredtechindenver Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:42:43pm |
re: #164 freetoken
I realize that Cracked is a humor site, but:
... is just ahistorical. "duck and cover" was 20 years before the Reagan presidency.
I did "duck and cover" as late as 1975 as a 6th grader. I still don't know what hiding under our desks was supposed to save us from.
166 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:44:17pm |
re: #165 boredtechindenver
I did "duck and cover" as late as 1975 as a 6th grader. I still don't know what hiding under our desks was supposed to save us from.
I remember my schools in the 80s still having them on the books at least.
167 | Kragar Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:51:49pm |
Distant Undersea Eruptions Help Rebuild Great Barrier Reef
The Great Barrier Reef's amazing diversity of life gets a helping hand from distant underwater volcanic eruptions, a new study has found.
Submarine volcanoes can spit out trillions of pieces of floating rock upon which corals and other organisms hitch a ride to the world's largest reef, where they can thrive and multiply, according to research published this month in the journal PLoS One.
Study co-author Scott Bryan, a researcher at Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia, said these types of eruptions are rather frequent, occurring about once a decade or more, and helped form the reef in the first place, bringing in potentially billions of plants and animals.
168 | freetoken Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:54:34pm |
169 | Targetpractice Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:55:09pm |
re: #165 boredtechindenver
I did "duck and cover" as late as 1975 as a 6th grader. I still don't know what hiding under our desks was supposed to save us from.
It was supposed to give you time to kiss your ass goodbye.
//
170 | dragonath Tue, Jul 24, 2012 11:56:44pm |
This whole "Anglo-Saxon heritage" thing reminds me of a Furry Freak Brothers comic where Phineas Freak's father accidentally takes his son's LSD and mixes it in with the punch at a John Birch society meeting. It culminates in a sequence where the JBS members go off on an ancestral history tangent:
"Hey look at me, I'm a NORSEMAN!"
"That's nothing punk! I'm a SPARTAN!"
"I'm a DRUID walking among my holy TREES!"
Phineas's father: Well I am a TONKAWA INDIAN and I'd like to know what you guys are doing on MY property! (Where's my hatchet?!)
172 | freetoken Wed, Jul 25, 2012 12:48:16am |
Looks like someone agrees with KT:
The Romney “Anglo-saxon” story doesn’t pass the smell test
In the last couple of hours, the leftist blogosphere and Twitter have exploded with stories charging Mitt Romney of racism. The claims originate from a UK Daily Mail piece titled “Mitt Romney would restore ‘Anglo-saxon’ relations between Britain and America.”
[...]
Oh... wait... "Daily Mail"?
Um, no. It's the Telegraph. And the blogger even links to the Telegraph.
The blog, "Poor Richard's News", is just another Obama-hating site that looks like it gets damn few comments. And I can see why.
175 | researchok Wed, Jul 25, 2012 1:08:59am |
Nice!
I'm a sucker for the guitar pieces. Favorited this as well.
176 | researchok Wed, Jul 25, 2012 1:30:56am |
By the FT, here's one of my absolute favorites you posted
177 | freetoken Wed, Jul 25, 2012 1:42:49am |
re: #176 researchok
That one is good for dancing what in American partner circles would be called "bolero" or and English style (misnomered) "rumba". That particular piece sounds a bit too... studio-ish for my tastes, but it is a very easy on the ears.
179 | researchok Wed, Jul 25, 2012 1:47:07am |
re: #177 freetoken
It's 4AM- I'm not quite ready for Allegro Nervosa
/
You're right it is studio- ish but it does work
180 | RadicalModerate Wed, Jul 25, 2012 2:05:12am |
Oh HELL NO.
The adsense link that came up with this article for me is a really vile NRA-associated organization's advertisement to "Trigger the Vote", with a helpful image of WND loonie Chuck Norris, and featuring a graphic of a voter checkbox centered in a gunsight's crosshairs.
Pic here:
Trigger the Vote
Unfortunately, lost the adsense referrer link due to a page reload.
181 | Digital Display Wed, Jul 25, 2012 3:56:02am |
re: #179 researchok
It's 4AM- I'm not quite ready for Allegro Nervosa
/You're right it is studio- ish but it does work
Almost 6am Oklahoma time.. I'm packed ready for another trip..
need more coffee..
182 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 4:15:10am |
So many vicious Tweets and retarded blog posts, so much short term memory loss the day after.
Last week the entire Twitterverse was all aghast at Anna Breslaw's horrible, horrible fail of a "Breaking Bad" review that referred to Holocaust survivors as "Jew Shit" but she's back to posting articles at Jezebel like that never happened.
183 | Decatur Deb Wed, Jul 25, 2012 4:24:03am |
re: #180 RadicalModerate
Oh HELL NO.
The adsense link that came up with this article for me is a really vile NRA-associated organization's advertisement to "Trigger the Vote", with a helpful image of WND loonie Chuck Norris, and featuring a graphic of a voter checkbox centered in a gunsight's crosshairs.
Pic here:
Trigger the VoteUnfortunately, lost the adsense referrer link due to a page reload.
Catchy slogan--Gabby Giffords can use it for her comeback campaign.
184 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 4:39:06am |
re: #180 RadicalModerate
Oh HELL NO.
The adsense link that came up with this article for me is a really vile NRA-associated organization's advertisement to "Trigger the Vote", with a helpful image of WND loonie Chuck Norris, and featuring a graphic of a voter checkbox centered in a gunsight's crosshairs.
Pic here:
Trigger the VoteUnfortunately, lost the adsense referrer link due to a page reload.
Buy a subscription and you won't have to see that shit.
185 | Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:38:49am |
Speaking of conservative family values types, I posted this PSA on a local blog:
Attention Texas parents, especially those in the wilds of darkest suburbia!
Please don't send any more of your litter to Texas Tech until they are house-broken and understand some of the other basic rules of society, ie, that people will fine them or throw them in jail if they get violent or otherwise break the law by driving drunk, assaulting residents, breaking windows, stealing beer from c-stores, parking in handicap spaces etc.
We probably do have privileged classes in this country but even then, they are not composed of clueless suburban pissants.
In my experience, much of this bad behavior is related not to a lack of moral instruction, but to a lack of credible moral instruction. Jesus Camp is just not all that convincing to many young people but it does encourage a systematic disregard for the rights, feelings, and basic humanity of a whole range of "others." In the absence of anything else, it is no surprise that the youngsters will act like savages when they escape from the nest.
186 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:40:58am |
re: #185 Shiplord Kirel
To play on that preacher's tweet from the other day, if you teach kids that the only thing stopping them from acting like animals is their religion, if their faith falters why be surprised that they act like animals?
187 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:42:42am |
re: #118 Kragar
Why did the Elf slap the Hobbit?
He kept saying how nice her hair smelled.
Crowded elevators smell different to midgets.
188 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:50:41am |
re: #31 Digital Display
It is Man's greatest achievement and lofty spiritual goal. 'There is no greater love than giving your life for another..'
Or as it's put in the Quran, "In the name of Allah the Beneficent, the Merciful, if you save the live of one man it as if you have saved the life of all mankind."
189 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:54:53am |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
TOMMY by Rudyard Kipling
I went into a public-'ouse to get a pint o' beer,
The publican 'e up an' sez, "We serve no red-coats here."
The girls be'ind the bar they laughed an' giggled fit to die,
I outs into the street again an' to myself sez I:
O it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, go away";
But it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play,
The band begins to play, my boys, the band begins to play,
O it's "Thank you, Mister Atkins", when the band begins to play.
I went into a theatre as sober as could be,
They gave a drunk civilian room, but 'adn't none for me;
They sent me to the gallery or round the music-'alls,
But when it comes to fightin', Lord! they'll shove me in the stalls!
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, wait outside";
But it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide,
The troopship's on the tide, my boys, the troopship's on the tide,
O it's "Special train for Atkins" when the trooper's on the tide.
Yes, makin' mock o' uniforms that guard you while you sleep
Is cheaper than them uniforms, an' they're starvation cheap;
An' hustlin' drunken soldiers when they're goin' large a bit
Is five times better business than paradin' in full kit.
Then it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, 'ow's yer soul?"
But it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll,
The drums begin to roll, my boys, the drums begin to roll,
O it's "Thin red line of 'eroes" when the drums begin to roll.
We aren't no thin red 'eroes, nor we aren't no blackguards too,
But single men in barricks, most remarkable like you;
An' if sometimes our conduck isn't all your fancy paints,
Why, single men in barricks don't grow into plaster saints;
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Tommy, fall be'ind",
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys, there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir", when there's trouble in the wind.
You talk o' better food for us, an' schools, an' fires, an' all:
We'll wait for extry rations if you treat us rational.
Don't mess about the cook-room slops, but prove it to our face
The Widow's Uniform is not the soldier-man's disgrace.
For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country" when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
An' Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool -- you bet that Tommy sees!
190 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 5:55:32am |
Texan accidentally fires shot at Walmart
Dallas police said they arrested a man whose gun accidentally went off inside a Walmart store, injuring two other customers.
Todd Canady, 23, of Waco had allegedly bolted from the store in the Lake Highlands district Monday night when he was confronted by an off-duty police officer about the shooting, which left a woman and a 5-year-old child wounded.
Police told the Dallas Morning News they grabbed Canady after a short foot pursuit and booked him on charges of injuring a child and evading arrest.
KDFW-TV, Dallas/Fort Worth, said Canady, who has a concealed-weapons permit, was reportedly reaching for his wallet in the checkout line but grabbed the pistol he was carrying instead. The gun went off, wounding Canady in the buttocks. The bullet then hit the floor and sent fragments into the other two victims.
An off-duty officer saw the incident and confronted Canady, who allegedly ran off.
191 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:00:47am |
re: #68 Kragar
In a foreign field, he lay
Lonely soldier, unknown grave
On his dying words, he prays
Tell the world of Paschendale
Brrrr. Two dead Allied soldiers and one dead German for every square meter of ground taken.
When a member of the senior British staff, who finally got to the front and saw where the battle was fought, he broke down crying and exclaimed, "My God! My God! We sent men into that!
192 | A Mom Anon Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:07:18am |
I have to wonder,had the gender roles been reversed, if this Taranto person would have had the same need to let us all know his wonderous opinion.
Just because the internet allows for 24/7 expression of every little thought that scampers through your head doesn't mean you actually HAVE to share it.
What a bag of douche.
193 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:10:01am |
re: #81 aagcobb
But the opening of the movie of the Normandy Invasion is, I think, the greatest war scene ever filmed.
Me? The outpost battle form Stalingrad
194 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:25:56am |
re: #165 boredtechindenver
I did "duck and cover" as late as 1975 as a 6th grader. I still don't know what hiding under our desks was supposed to save us from.
Saved you from making even more of a mess. They could clean up the ashes from you and the desk much easier if you were all together. In the 60's they used to make us march into the auditorium and crouch against the walls. Cleanup would be much easier that way too since most of the human mess would be confined to that one large room :-)
195 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:26:35am |
Heh, this is familiar.
Mitt Romney’s ’02 Olympics short on transparency
But some who worked with Romney describe a close-to-the-vest chief executive unwilling to share so much as a budget with a state board responsible for spending oversight. Archivists now say most key records about the Games’ internal workings were destroyed under the supervision of a staff member shortly after the flame was extinguished at Olympic Cauldron Park, after Romney had returned to Massachusetts.
According to Romney campaign spokeswoman Andrea Saul, “Mitt Romney resigned from SLOC in early 2002 to run for governor of Massachusetts and was not involved in the decision-making regarding the final disposition of records.”
Because of course it would have been impossible for Romney, while head of the SLOC, to make archival copies or leave instructions for preservation of records.
All of the documents inside our organization are available to the public,” Romney said in a speech to the National Press Club in 2000. “Simply submit a form saying which documents you want. For instance: ‘I want to see all the letters written by Mr. Romney to [then-IOC President Juan Antonio] Samaranch.’ You’ll get ’em all.”
But letters between journalists and the organizing committee obtained by the Globe show reporters were sometimes denied access to records they believed were covered by the committee’s open documents policy. Only a week after Romney spoke to the National Press Club, the Utah chapter of the Society of Professional Journalists wrote a complaint to the committee.
The committee charged news outlets $25 per hour to research records requests, even if the requests were eventually denied.
Even within the organizing committee, access to information was sometimes restricted, according to Bullock, the committee member.
“Everything should have been accessible to the board, but it wasn’t because that’s not what Mitt wanted,” he said.
A decade later, the Games’ official records, housed at the University of Utah’s J. Willard Marriott Library, still have not been made available to the public. ABC News reported Monday on the unpublished archive and the destruction of documents.
When the collection is finally unveiled next month, the public should not expect any major insights into the presumptive GOP presidential nominee’s leadership of the Games, archivists say. Instead of executive office memoranda, budgets, and correspondence, the 1,100 cartons of records contain only previously published brochures, manuals, and some general guidance on how to run an Olympics.
“It’s not about the inner workings of anything,’’ said Elizabeth Rogers, the library’s curator of manuscripts. “I haven’t seen anything particular to Mitt Romney.”
Salt Lake Organizing Committee officials confirmed to the Globe that most administrative records were destroyed in the months after the Games concluded.
196 | Interesting Times Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:31:07am |
Apropos to the topic of this thread and the one prior:
When I read "It's not politically correct ...", calgaryherald.com/business/Corbe... my brain simply replaces that with, "I'm about to be an asshole ..."— CC (@canadiancynic) July 25, 2012
197 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:37:52am |
re: #48 Dark_Falcon
Orders were to hold bridges if at all possible to aid in the advance. Maybe the orders did not make sense in this case, but Spielberg was right to show his characters following standing orders.
"Theirs was not to make reply,
Theirs was not to reason why,
Theirs was but to do and die.
Into the Valley of Death,
Rode the Six Hundred."
I prefer:
Good morning, good morning, the general said,
As we passed him last week on our way to the line.
Now the lads that he greeted are most of 'em dead,
And we're cursing his staff for incompetent swine.
"He's a cheery old card", grunted Harry to Jack,
As they slogged up to Arras with rifle and pack.
But he did for them both by his plan of attack.
198 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:39:43am |
re: #190 Varek Raith
Concealed carry makes everyone safer! Except people who get shot by accident.
But that doesn't count because mumble mumble head shot through tear gas in crowded cinema.
199 | Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:46:12am |
re: #190 Varek Raith
This retired State Police officer just shot himself:
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I wonder if he had to pay for the new pants?
Do these jeans make my ass look big? BANG!
What ass?
.22's prolly the most dangerous round in America.
200 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:47:48am |
Yeah, I wouldn't want a gun anywhere near my nether regions.
Nope.
201 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:48:39am |
Though, why did they have a round chambered to begin with?
Or am I misunderstanding guns?
202 | Shropshire_Slasher Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:49:19am |
re: #200 Varek Raith
Why worry? its a small target
BADDA BING OH!
Sorry
203 | Romantic Heretic Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:51:37am |
re: #196 Interesting Times
Apropos to the topic of this thread and the one prior:
[Embedded content]
I know Canadian Cynic. Nice guy and whip smart.
204 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:53:35am |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
Really, an innocent person sitting in a movie theater when a man who thinks he's the Joker opens fire can't win, can they?
First, we're going to criticize you for not shooting him.
Then we're going to suggest that you might not have been worth your boyfriend saving your life.
Of course, if you are a boyfriend, and you fail in the throwing-yourself-in-front-of-a-bullet department, we'll say that you and your lack of masculinity are what's wrong with America today.
These folks have been through an awful trauma. Could the Twitterati maybe leave them the hell alone?
Quoted for truth. Everyone's busy trying to figure out the intentions of the shooter, and then dissecting what those at the theater could or couldn't have done differently as if everyone in the theater who was injured or saw someone they were with killed or injured isn't wondering what they could have done differently and will have to live with their actions. That's plenty bad without the armchair brigades to make their pronouncements from afar.
205 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Jul 25, 2012 6:57:34am |
re: #201 Varek Raith
Though, why did they have a round chambered to begin with?
Or am I misunderstanding guns?
It does imply not very safe gun handling skills and concealed carry. Would have to know more facts on the actual weapon to know what sort of safety features (or failures) it has unto itself.
206 | Bulworth Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:21:33am |
I hope the girls whose boyfriends died to save them were nice, conservative Christian women who don't use birth controlworthy of the sacrifice.
//
207 | Claudia Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:22:08am |
I'm disappointed in James Taranto, as I read his blog daily. It was a crass thing to say... Are children worthy of their parents' sacrifices? Are the people worthy of soldiers' sacrifices? No matter the reason for placing oneself in harm's way for another... loved one, weaker one, total stranger... ours is not to measure the worth of the "saved" ones. But I certainly can understand having such thoughts if your loved one is killed.
208 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:22:11am |
re: #206 Bulworth
The sad part is now he's trying to pretend he was writing a 'challenging' tweet instead of just being a douchebag.
209 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:25:59am |
Morning all!
I hear there was an earthquake.
Everyone ok?
210 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:27:49am |
re: #185 Shiplord Kirel
Speaking of conservative family values types, I posted this PSA on a local blog:
In my experience, much of this bad behavior is related not to a lack of moral instruction, but to a lack of credible moral instruction. Jesus Camp is just not all that convincing to many young people but it does encourage a systematic disregard for the rights, feelings, and basic humanity of a whole range of "others." In the absence of anything else, it is no surprise that the youngsters will act like savages when they escape from the nest.
Repression is a terrible thing.
211 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:28:35am |
re: #208 Obdicut
The sad part is now he's trying to pretend he was writing a 'challenging' tweet instead of just being a douchebag.
It was just a "literary device."
212 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:31:54am |
Constitutional amendment required to undo Citizens United, Senate panel told
New laws alone will not be enough to counter the impact of the 2010 high court decision establishing that corporations have a First Amendment right to make independent political expenditures during election season, witnesses told the panel.
213 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:34:33am |
Did Mitt Romney get a ‘bailout’ for Bain & Company?
Cutter treads very close to the line here. She implies, but never really says, that Romney, on behalf of “Bain,” got a taxpayer-funded bailout.
But in reality, Romney rescued his former firm, including restructuring its bank loans, in a deal in which his former partners were given the toughest medicine. Bain & Company survives to this day, which certainly suggests Romney’s solution was a better outcome than letting the firm collapse.
We wavered between one and two Pinocchios here. Calling a loan-restructuring a “bailout” is a real stretch, especially since there does not appear to be an unusual transaction. But Cutter can reasonably claim that Bain & Company benefited from government procedures, already in place, to help it deal with its financial troubles. It’s too bad she did not phrase it that way.
214 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:39:01am |
Six dumb arguments about the Aurora massacre.
1. What happened in Aurora, Colorado, is an aberrancy.
2. "This can't be terrorism! This is a troubled individual."
3. "We can't politicize this!"
4. "Arming everyone in the theater would have prevented this!"
5. "The fact that these shootings happen only rarely shows that our existing laws work just fine."
As they say, read it all.
215 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:39:04am |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
I think letting Bain go bankrupt would have been better for the country, as they wouldn't have been around to date-rape companies, steal their assets and fire their workers. And yes, taxpayer dollars saved Romney's ass. He didn't build that. In fact, he took over Bain after its actual founder, a guy named Bain, pretty much left it to him.
Mornin' everyone.
216 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:41:18am |
re: #214 lawhawk
Six dumb arguments about the Aurora massacre.
1. What happened in Aurora, Colorado, is an aberrancy.
2. "This can't be terrorism! This is a troubled individual."
3. "We can't politicize this!"
4. "Arming everyone in the theater would have prevented this!"
5. "The fact that these shootings happen only rarely shows that our existing laws work just fine."As they say, read it all.
You gotta love the 'doveish' talk about gun control from those who fear the NRA..."It's not the time to engage in bitter debate." No, let's wait a few weeks until someone really sexy gets thrown out of the Big Brother house and gun violence returns to the back burner of the American conscience.
217 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:42:48am |
re: #214 lawhawk
Six dumb arguments about the Aurora massacre.
1. What happened in Aurora, Colorado, is an aberrancy.
2. "This can't be terrorism! This is a troubled individual."
3. "We can't politicize this!"
4. "Arming everyone in the theater would have prevented this!"
5. "The fact that these shootings happen only rarely shows that our existing laws work just fine."As they say, read it all.
I'm not sure if #2 is "dumb." Yes, it could perhaps be seen as form of existential terrorism but it does not meet the characteristics of real terrorism. Promoting this kind of "thought exercise" also delegitimizes the equally important work against terrorism.
218 | blueraven Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:46:25am |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
“To say what he said is to say that Steve Jobs didn’t build Apple Computer or that Bill Gates didn’t build Microsoft or that Henry Ford didn’t build Ford Motor Company or that Ray Croc didn’t build McDonald’s or that Papa John’s didn’t build Papa John’s Pizza. This is the height of foolishness. It shows how out of touch he is with the character of America. It’s one more reason his policies have failed. It’s one more reason why we have to replace him in November.”...Mitt Romney
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
219 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:48:40am |
re: #218 blueraven
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
Yup, politicians lie. It's unwise to uncritically believe what they say.
220 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:49:04am |
It's progress that Bristol Palin wants ppl to believe her 3-yr-old son said "fuck it" rather than "faggot" #lgbt— Gen JC Christian (@JC_Christian) July 25, 2012
221 | Bulworth Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:51:25am |
re: #208 Obdicut
The sad part is now he's trying to pretend he was writing a 'challenging' tweet instead of just being a douchebag.
Ah yes, just "puting it out there" for discussion.
222 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:52:27am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
Yup, politicians lie. It's unwise to uncritically believe what they say.
Mitt Romney lies every time he opens his mouth (and some times when he doesn't, for example in his book No Apology). It is, at this point, absolutely perverse to believe anything he says.
223 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:55:00am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
Yup, politicians lie. It's unwise to uncritically believe what they say.
Says the guy who routinely posts Romney press releases as fact.
224 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:55:24am |
re: #222 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Mitt Romney lies every time he opens his mouth (and some times when he doesn't, for example in his book No Apology). It is, at this point, absolutely perverse to believe anything he says.
I wouldn't believe Mitt if he told me he just saved money on his car insurance.
225 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:56:22am |
re: #224 darthstar
I wouldn't believe Mitt if he told me he just saved money on his car insurance.
I wouldn't believe Mitt if he told me he had one great trick to reduce cellulite, and that doctors hated him as a result.
226 | blueraven Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:56:34am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
Yup, politicians lie. It's unwise to uncritically believe what they say.
There is quite a bit of difference in that a campaign adviser suggested something and a bald faced lie by the actual candidate. One among many I might add.
227 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:57:20am |
Hey! It's the 25th. That means only two more days before the blue helmets land on our shores to take away "are" guns.
//
228 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:58:28am |
re: #219 Killgore Trout
Yup, politicians lie. It's unwise to uncritically believe what they say.
No Kilgore
Only the 'other" politician lies
"My" guy is as pure as driven snow!
229 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:58:35am |
vote for your 10 favorite young adult novels.
My all time fav wasn't listed. :(
230 | blueraven Wed, Jul 25, 2012 7:59:43am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
No Kilgore
Only the 'other" politician lies
"My" guy is as pure as driven snow!
If you follow KT's posts; it is only Obama that is a liar.
231 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:00:26am |
re: #229 ggt
vote for your 10 favorite young adult novels.
My all time fav wasn't listed. :(
Mine aren't on there
I'm so old when I was a "young adult" all the literature was on cave walls
232 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:01:47am |
re: #230 blueraven
If you follow KT's posts; it is only Obama that is a liar.
I have followed his posts
he has called out both sides and not just today/ this election season
SEE Tea Party
SEE OWS
Equal opportunity caller outter, he
233 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:01:52am |
re: #229 ggt
vote for your 10 favorite young adult novels.
My all time fav wasn't listed. :(
The last "young adult" novel I read was "Island of the Blue Dolphins" when I was 11.
234 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:03:31am |
"Island of the Blue Dolphins" is not even on the list, WTF??
235 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:05:00am |
re: #232 sattv4u2
I have followed his posts
he has called out both sides and not just today/ this election season
SEE Tea Party
SEE OWS
Equal opportunity caller outter, he
Very true, except for the part where he made shit up about OWS.
236 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:07:38am |
Good morning lizards!
Say a prayer for one of my friends that I work with. Still mourning the loss of her son who died on his 21st birthday in a 4 wheeler accident last November, today her husband was admitted into the hospital with kidney failure.
237 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:08:18am |
re: #229 ggt
vote for your 10 favorite young adult novels.
My all time fav wasn't listed. :(
The ones I re-read the most are not on there, such as _Rifles for Watie_. I also don't recognize probably 75-80% of the listed books in any case. So I ended up voting for classics, or the better SF/fantasy on the list. Skipped _The Lord of the Rings_ actually. _The Hobbit_ is a good YA read, I think LOTR doesn't move as well as a plot and that one might need to be a bit older to appreciate it more.
238 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:08:55am |
re: #232 sattv4u2
I have followed his posts
he has called out both sides and not just today/ this election season
SEE Tea Party
SEE OWS
Equal opportunity caller outter, he
I try. In the past I've been misled by both sides. I'm trying to be smarter these days.
239 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:09:13am |
re: #233 Learned Mother of Zion
The last "young adult" novel I read was "Island of the Blue Dolphins" when I was 11.
I remember that book!!! I really liked it.
My fav is Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon. I actually couldn't believe it was a YA novel. Zafon is a seriously talented writer.
240 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:11:26am |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
I try. In the past I've been misled by both sides. I'm trying to be smarter these days.
We've all been there.
241 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:12:25am |
re: #228 sattv4u2
No Kilgore
Only the 'other" politician lies
"My" guy is as pure as driven snow!
All politicians lie sometimes, all across the political spectrum. Romney is the only politician in my lifetime (> 50 years) who lies so egregiously, constantly and shamelessly. If you're not disgusted by his absolute dishonesty, you should be.
242 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:12:38am |
re: #239 ggt
I remember that book!!! I really liked it.
My fav is Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon. I actually couldn't believe it was a YA novel. Zafon is a seriously talented writer.
I think "YA" is a pretty nebulous category. And from what I've seen my niece read it contains a lot of poorly written junk. Thus my contamination of her reading pile by gifting her with SF stuff written by Bujold or Heinlein. Expose her to good writing and I think I can get her to abandon junk books.
243 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:13:03am |
re: #236 NJDhockeyfan
Prayers to the family. Any prognosis? Transplant??
244 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:13:30am |
Romney camp denies "Anglo-Saxon heritage" comment
Andrea Saul, Romney's press secretary, disputed the comments and emphasized that they did not reflect the beliefs of the former Massachusetts governor.
"It's not true. If anyone said that, they weren't reflecting the views of Governor Romney or anyone inside the campaign," she told CBSNews.com in an email. Saul did not comment on what specifically was not true.
245 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:14:13am |
re: #229 ggt
vote for your 10 favorite young adult novels.
My all time fav wasn't listed. :(
But where are the Tom Swift novels?
248 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:16:15am |
re: #243 sattv4u2
Prayers to the family. Any prognosis? Transplant??
Haven't heard yet. She just left for the hospital an hour ago.
249 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:17:13am |
re: #245 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
But where are the Tom Swift novels?
3RD aisle,, right past science fiction!!
250 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:17:21am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
"Asked to be specific about what wasn't true...the [Romney] campaign did not immediately respond" thkpr.gs/PgzcpP— CaptivatingNews (@CaptivatingNews) July 25, 2012
251 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:18:21am |
re: #244 Killgore Trout
Thanks, KT...I was about to post that. What's not true? Oh, we don't know...whatever you said about our campaign isn't true, whatever that was, but we can't say it out loud because when we do we nod our heads in the affirmative...it's a natural tick...lots of mercury in our diets as kids.
252 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:18:46am |
253 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:18:50am |
254 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:19:35am |
People are accusing me of subtly calling Obama a foreigner. Kenya believe that?— Mitt Romney (@TheRealRomney) July 25, 2012
255 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:19:45am |
re: #241 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
All politicians lie sometimes, all across the political spectrum. Romney is the only politician in my lifetime (> 50 years) who lies so egregiously, constantly and shamelessly. If you're not disgusted by his absolute dishonesty, you should be.
BTW, just to keep your pet MBF happy, the last major politician I reflexively distrusted was Bill Clinton. But on a distrust scale of 1 to 10, Clinton was only about a 7 for me. Romney approaches 11.
256 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:19:50am |
257 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:21:45am |
258 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:22:24am |
Heh.
"It's not true. If anyone said that, they weren't reflecting the views of Governor Romney or anyone inside the campaign," she told CBSNews.com in an email. Saul did not comment on what specifically was not true.
It's not true, and if it is, it didn't reflect anyone's views.
When asked specifically how policy toward the U.K. would differ under Romney "the advisers could not give detailed examples," according to the Telegraph. "One conceded that on the European crisis: 'I'm not sure what our policy response is.'"
So what the fuck are they doing over there?
259 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:22:26am |
re: #253 darthstar
Can be applied to every statement from the Romney campaign.
Plausible deniability. He probably understands that the majority of his base is made up of people who agree with the concept of a strong "Anglo-Saxon" heritage in these here United States. More to the point is the concept of a strong relationship with the "anglosphere" as mentioned during Hannan's speech at CPAC 2012. It's all "right" there in National Review, Vdare (who was at CPAC). The same CPAC to which Romney also made a speech. So deny but don't criticize. Perhaps it was not true but the idea of this "Anglo-Saxon" heritage and how it applies to both their own sub-culture and their attacks against Obama is real.
260 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:22:39am |
261 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:24:32am |
262 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:24:56am |
Wait. Did Romney call Obama a Viking?— Ali Davis (@Ali_Davis) July 25, 2012
263 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:25:27am |
re: #238 Killgore Trout
I try. In the past I've been misled by both sides. I'm trying to be smarter these days.
You may be applying the exact same skepticism to "both sides", but maybe the mistake is seeing things as "sides" and not discrete phenomena to be evaluated on their own terms. To take the example of the Democratic and Republican parties, it's hard not to see them as two equivalent, opposed sides of one thing, but that doesn't mean they are equivalent. This would be more clear if we had more than two viable parties.
There is a real difference between the Democratic and Republican parties in terms of their relationship to the truth, and not just in the presidential race. The difference is one of scale, as implied in H G-T's #255. If you don't recognize it, you don't get smarter.
264 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:25:51am |
265 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:27:23am |
re: #242 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I think "YA" is a pretty nebulous category. And from what I've seen my niece read it contains a lot of poorly written junk. Thus my contamination of her reading pile by gifting her with SF stuff written by Bujold or Heinlein. Expose her to good writing and I think I can get her to abandon junk books.
Strangely enough, the YA category has some of the best authors. I think the problem is that kids get hooked on a series like (gag) Twilight and miss-out on the really good writing out there.
266 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:27:37am |
Gotta love the ideological denial and revisionism. Yeah. Birtherism and the hoopla about the Churchill bust in the White House being removed also didn't happen.
You lie!
268 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:28:47am |
It's unreal.
"Politicians lie" we are told. "No-one can be trusted."
And yet, when a RIGHT-WING newspaper in the UK reports what a Romney campaign insider said, using quotes and everything, we are treated to a damage-control pseudo-denial straight from the campaign mouthpiece, which transparently fails to actually contradict the fact that the insider really did say "anglo-saxon heritage" and that the White House "doesn't fully appreciate" said heritage.
And I get downdinged for pointing this out.
269 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:29:38am |
re: #263 wrenchwench
You may be applying the exact same skepticism to "both sides", but maybe the mistake is seeing things as "sides" and not discrete phenomena to be evaluated on their own terms. To take the example of the Democratic and Republican parties, it's hard not to see them as two equivalent, opposed sides of one thing, but that doesn't mean they are equivalent. This would be more clear if we had more than two viable parties.
There is a real difference between the Democratic and Republican parties in terms of their relationship to the truth, and not just in the presidential race. The difference is one of scale, as implied in H G-T's #255. If you don't recognize it, you don't get smarter.
I don't see both sides as equal. I'm a pretty strong Dem leaner these days but that doesn't mean I have to believe every misleading claim the put in a campaign ad.
270 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:29:50am |
Okay, okay, this makes Mitt's comment (or the comment by one of his people that can't be mentioned, whatever it was) seem less offensive...
"people of other backgrounds simply cannot comprehend the Anglo-Saxon principle"- KKK flyer, Mississippi 1964. bit.ly/M8zxge— Martin Longman (@BooMan23) July 25, 2012
Wait...maybe that isn't all that helpful after all.
271 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:30:27am |
re: #267 Killgore Trout
It's CBS.
Dude, you got the press release from CBS, but that doesn't mean it's not a press release.
The clue is in the word: "press". That means information that the campaign releases to be reported by... the "press". Which includes CBS.
274 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:31:15am |
275 | Interesting Times Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:31:38am |
re: #271 iossarian
ROMNEY: It's not true! PRESS: What's not true? ROMNEY: Not saying PRESS: Oh, OK thkpr.gs/PgzcpP— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 25, 2012
276 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:31:50am |
Heh...Wonkette...
Romney Camp Mau-Maued, Savaged Over Adviser's Innocent 'Black People Don't Understand' To Brit Paper bit.ly/MHfdAw— Wonkette (@Wonkette) July 25, 2012
277 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:33:18am |
re: #262 darthstar
No, he'd be a Bear. Couldn't be a Viking in Chicago. /
278 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:33:24am |
Yeah, and John "I Love Pam Geller" Bolton isn't really a Romney adviser either.
//
279 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:33:38am |
The purpose of rhetoric is to persuade. Not truth.
Aristotle:
"Rhetoric may be defined as the faculty of observing in any given case the available means of persuasion." . . . .And it might be ogjected that one who uses such power of speech unjustly might do great harm, that iss a charge which may be made in common against all good things except virtue, and above all against the things that are most useful, as strength, health, wealth, generalship."
from Sister Miriam Joseph --The Trivium
280 | Interesting Times Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:33:47am |
Normally, I don't jump on news like RacistMittAdvisors/England. This time I am/based on RacistHistory of Mitt's camaign. Consequences, Mitt.— Gail Mountain (@GKMTNtwits) July 25, 2012
281 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:34:30am |
But independents, take note: "Look! A black man!" is always the plutocrat's response to a threat to his money.— pastordan (@pastordan) July 25, 2012
282 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:35:51am |
283 | Interesting Times Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:36:58am |
One of these things is not like the others. twitter.com/TheDemocrats/s...— The Democrats (@TheDemocrats) July 25, 2012
285 | blueraven Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:38:52am |
re: #278 Gus
Yeah, and John "I Love Pam Geller" Bolton isn't really a Romney adviser either.
//
And Romney didn't come dangerously close to accusing Obama of treason in his speech to the VFW yesterday. He would never...
/
286 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:40:01am |
re: #282 ggt
Better than a feral camel!
I preffered Lucky Strikes
LSMFTF!!!
(double upding for anyone who knows those initials)
(damn, I'm old)
288 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:41:57am |
UPDATE: The Daily Telegraph tells ThinkProgress it stands by the "Anglo-Saxon" story thkpr.gs/PgzcpP— CaptivatingNews (@CaptivatingNews) July 25, 2012
289 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:42:04am |
Update: My friend's husband is going to be OK :)
290 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:42:09am |
To answer the question on everyone's mind, scientists have actually found that periods don't attract all bears. Black bears, for example, couldn't care less if you're riding the tiny cotton pony. The groundbreaking 1991 study's called "Reactions of black bears to human menstrual odors," and you can find it in vintage editions of The Journal of Wildlife Management. But there hasn't been much research into whether periods attract bigger, scarier grizzly bears. Spending the last several minutes raptly perusing the Wikipedia page on fatal bear attacks (don't even click unless you have like half an hour to descend into an Internet Spiral) has led me to believe that most people killed by grizzlies in North America in recent years were dudes, who I presume weren't menstruating at the time of their death.
continuing the bear theme . . .
292 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:44:06am |
Hmm, NPR books did a vote on SF/fantasy books as well.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
Sort of haphazard in some entries being single books vs others being entire series. In any case, I've read 43 of the first 50, and 74 of the hundred listed. Top ranked one I have not read is Wheel of Time - and I don't plan on touching it.
Only Bujold on it is _Shards of Honor_ and the summary line is more for the entire Vorkosigan series than the book listed.
293 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:45:11am |
I think this guy kinda like the honey badger:
CBS News reports that Jersey City police caught up with Verdelli at Jersey City's Grove Street Station as he was trying to board a Manhattan-bound PATH train back on July 16. He has been accused of groping a 28-year-old woman on two separate occasions. Verdelli was identified by a picture his accuser took of him after the second incident, and when police showed him his apparent likeness, he said, "It could be me." Though Port Authority spokesman Steve Coleman said that this was the first time that he knew of Verdelli allegedly groping someone on a PATH train (because, hey, all those other offenses just start to run together after a while), he admitted that most of Verdelli's previous 168 arrests had been for sexually-related crimes.
294 | blueraven Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:45:30am |
re: #287 Gus
Daily Kos: Romney advisor: Obama doesn't understand "Anglo-Saxon heritage"
+420!
Stoners
295 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:46:33am |
re: #294 blueraven
Stoners
Pot leads to harder drugs like heroin, cocaine and crack! //
*It really was at 420. Might still be.
296 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:47:34am |
It's now clear that for many of Romney's defenders on twitter, no level of dishonesty is low enough to be called out— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) July 25, 2012
297 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:47:42am |
@PollTracker Yes, but Romney's leading in PA if you adjust for voter suppression.— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) July 25, 2012
298 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:47:50am |
@conncarroll No, but you're a liar if you edit out chunk in middle, fuse 2 disparate parts together, and then conceal that an edit was made— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) July 25, 2012
299 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:48:20am |
Another defender of deceptive video editing clearly designed to mislead ---> @jstrevino— Greg Sargent (@ThePlumLineGS) July 25, 2012
300 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:49:08am |
re: #292 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Hmm, NPR books did a vote on SF/fantasy books as well.
[Link: www.npr.org...]
Sort of haphazard in some entries being single books vs others being entire series. In any case, I've read 43 of the first 50, and 74 of the hundred listed. Top ranked one I have not read is Wheel of Time - and I don't plan on touching it.
Only Bujold on it is _Shards of Honor_ and the summary line is more for the entire Vorkosigan series than the book listed.
I remember that. What I don't get is Conan the Barbarian being considered SF. I hate when the line between SF and Fantasy become blurred.
301 | Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:49:17am |
302 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:50:15am |
Conn Carrol. Yeah. Last I saw he was working for the Heritage Foundation. Yep. Heritage whose founder includes Paul Weyrich.
Nothing to see here. Move along.
//
303 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:51:26am |
More on the demise of the football god:
She cites research that found that adult pedophiles tended to have been subjected to more childhood brain trauma than their non-pedophiliac counterparts. In addition, more research has found that hypersexuality can develop after adult konks on the head, which can include pedophilia. One researcher surmised that head injuries don't change sexuality, but rather unlock aspects of a person's sexuality that were otherwise kept under control. A third study found that some men exhibit pedophiliac behavior after experiencing symptoms of brain disease
304 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:51:39am |
re: #286 sattv4u2
I preffered Lucky Strikes
LSMFTF!!!
(double upding for anyone who knows those initials)
(damn, I'm old)
Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco.
I know this because I used to have a ton of LIFE magazines from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
305 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:53:09am |
306 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:53:49am |
re: #304 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire
Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco.
I know this because I used to have a ton of LIFE magazines from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
DING DING DING
We have a winner!
(post something else so I can give you a second upper)
307 | sattv4u2 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:54:47am |
re: #304 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire
Lucky Strike Means Fine Tobacco.
I know this because I used to have a ton of LIFE magazines from the 40s, 50s, and 60s.
And I knew this because I LIVED a lot of life in the 50's and 60's
308 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:55:02am |
More Republican news...
PA voter ID law may disenfranchise 43% of Philadelphians, just as the Founders intended. bit.ly/QElIX8— David Waldman (@KagroX) July 25, 2012
309 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:55:39am |
Even more Republican news...
Lamar Smith overlooks Texas voter ID expert's work for Karl Rove tinyurl.com/cx24syz— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) July 25, 2012
310 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:57:34am |
311 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:01:12am |
Ahead Of Voter ID Trial, Pennsylvania Admits There’s No In-Person Voter Fraud
As the Justice Department investigates Pennsylvania’s voter ID law on the federal level, a coalition of civil rights groups is gearing up for a state trial starting Wednesday examining whether the law is allowable under Pennsylvania’s constitution.
In that case, Pennsylvania might have handed those groups and their clients (including 93-year-old Viviette Applewhite) a bit of an advantage: They’ve formally acknowledged that there’s been no reported in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania and there isn’t likely to be in November.
The state signed a stipulation agreement with lawyers for the plaintiffs which acknowledges there “have been no investigations or prosecutions of in-person voter fraud in Pennsylvania; and the parties do not have direct personal knowledge of any such investigations or prosecutions in other states.”
Additionally, the agreement states Pennsylvania “will not offer any evidence in this action that in-person voter fraud has in fact occurred in Pennsylvania and elsewhere” or even argue “that in person voter fraud is likely to occur in November 2012 in the absense of the Photo ID law.”
312 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:01:22am |
There was ACORN and there are still community organizers.
The Republican Party is the community disorganizer.
313 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:01:33am |
re: #310 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire
The Yodel-meister!
314 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:05:10am |
Air Force Sex Scandal Continued --first of accused sentenced to 20 years.
315 | danarchy Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:05:52am |
This is why I don't trust polls:
Michigan: Romney vs. Obama Mitchell Research Obama 44, Romney 45 Romney +1
Michigan: Romney vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 53, Romney 39 Obama +14
316 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:09:08am |
Kentucky Voter Fraud Allegedly Funded By Drug Money
Kentucky voter fraud may have been funded by “major cocaine and marijuana dealers.” Voter fraud in eastern Kentucky allegedly involved the use of drug dealers to buy votes, Fox News reports. U.S. Attorney from the Eastern District Kerry B. Harvey told the media that he believes money from drug trafficking was used to purchase votes in Kentucky, The Lexington Herald-Leader notes.
The Kentucky U.S. Attorney went on to describe an “extensive” scheme which allegedly involved “hundreds of thousands” of dollars to develop an “organized criminal activity” system for the purpose of buying voters in Kentucky. Harvey was the leader of a series of federal prosecutions which exposed the alleged “widespread” practice of buying votes in Kentucky.
Kentucky’s vote buying scandal is “rooted in economic woes,” according to Harvey and his team of federal prosecutors. The alleged “generational” practice of buying votes in Kentucky is prompted by high poverty and a desire to control local government jobs, according to federal prosecutor remarks during recent court cases.
In the Eastern District of Kentucky more than 20 politicians and related defendants have plead guilty or been convicted in voter fraud court cases over the past two years. One politician convicted of voter fraud admitted to purchasing his first voter with half a pint of liquor.
“These folks go out and hijack the local elections for their own purposes and then they use those jobs to enrich themselves and their confederates. It really is a terrible problem and it has to be stopped,” Harvey stated.
Kentucky voter fraud court testimony in Clay County maintains money to purchase votes stemmed from marijuana and cocaine drug trafficking. The Kentucky federal prosecutor claims more than $400,000 was “pooled” by both Democratic and Republican politicians over multiple decades to buy approximately 8,000 votes. Part of the proceeds to purchase votes in Kentucky at $50 a pop allegedly came from drug trafficking.
Bipartisan voter fraud!
317 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:09:32am |
re: #315 danarchy
This is why I don't trust polls:
Michigan: Romney vs. Obama Mitchell Research Obama 44, Romney 45 Romney +1
Michigan: Romney vs. Obama PPP (D) Obama 53, Romney 39 Obama +14
Some people find your lack of trust offensive.
318 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:09:41am |
REPORT: After 1999, Romney made repeated trips to Bain, weighed in on business decisions thkpr.gs/PmcgWk— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) July 25, 2012
319 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:10:13am |
320 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:10:31am |
Washington Post Romney Press release
Romney camp: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ report false
An unnamed “adviser” to Mitt Romney who told the London Telegraph that the candidate appreciates “Anglo-Saxon heritage” better than President Obama has no actual connection to the campaign, a spokeswoman for the former Massachusetts governor said Wednesday.
...
Romney does have a team of 22 foreign policy and national security advisers. But British papers have looser guidelines on anonymous quotes than most of the American press. An “adviser” could have no actual role in the campaign; the Republican’s staff rarely talks to the foreign press.The Telegraph in particular prints many rumors, often infuriating Democrats. “They use anonymous sources to a degree that makes you wonder if they actually have them,” consultant Bob Shrum told Dave Weigel in 2009.
321 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:10:36am |
re: #316 NJDhockeyfan
Kentucky Voter Fraud Allegedly Funded By Drug Money
Bipartisan voter fraud!
LOL
322 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:10:53am |
re: #320 Killgore Trout
Washington PostRomney Press release
Romney camp: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ report false
Zzzzzz.
323 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:12:02am |
re: #316 NJDhockeyfan
Kentucky Voter Fraud Allegedly Funded By Drug Money
Bipartisan voter fraud!
Fifty bucks for a vote? In Kentucky, that'd by a week's sexual favors from your cousin.
324 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:12:29am |
re: #320 Killgore Trout
Washington PostRomney Press release
Romney camp: ‘Anglo-Saxon’ report false
Retroactively.
325 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:13:05am |
re: #316 NJDhockeyfan
KENTUCKY! It's all about vice --bourbon, tobacco and weed.
326 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:13:41am |
REPORT: After 1999, Romney made repeated trips to Bain, weighed in on business decisions thkpr.gs/PmcgWk— ThinkProgress (@thinkprogress) July 25, 2012
327 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:13:50am |
re: #305 ggt
Menses --or Monthly -- IIRC
Has to do with the Moon.
menstruation (n.)
1680s, from L.L. menstruare, from menstruus "monthly" + -ation. Old English equivalent was monaðblot "month-blood." Middle English had menstrue (n.), late 14c., from O.Fr. menstrue, from L. menstruum.
Can't recommend Etymonline.com too highly.
328 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:14:40am |
re: #305 ggt
Menses --or Monthly -- IIRC
Has to do with the Moon.
I know...hence the wingnut tagging. :)
330 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:16:02am |
re: #327 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Can't recommend Etymonline.com too highly.
One of my favorite sites!!!
331 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:16:33am |
re: #318 Gus
Ah, I see you saw that too, whatever it was, though officially the Romney campaign would like to deny it, if it was ever at all something that was mentioned.
332 | Big Steve Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:16:53am |
To bring us back to the original thread.......sister of Big Steve's is always railing away at the "Patriarchy". That men fuck everything up by trying to run it and this is bad for all and us men are total douches. Well no doubt some of that is true but I believe the same genes/culture that causes men to be "patriarchal" are also the same genes/culture that cause us to dive on top of our girlfriends or wives and take the bullet for them.
333 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:17:25am |
re: #331 darthstar
Ah, I see you saw that too, whatever it was, though officially the Romney campaign would like to deny it, if it was ever at all something that was mentioned.
Yep. It's actually an AP story. Of course the 101st Fighting Keyboards think the AP is "lefty." Derp.
334 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:18:46am |
I've still got that freakin' yodeling stuck in my head.
335 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:20:11am |
336 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:20:45am |
337 | garhighway Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:21:08am |
re: #269 Killgore Trout
I don't see both sides as equal. I'm a pretty strong Dem leaner these days but that doesn't mean I have to believe every misleading claim the put in a campaign ad.
This just in....
Republicans say the world is flat. Some Democrats disagree.
339 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:23:17am |
I'm too Saxon for my shirt.— David Waldman (@KagroX) July 25, 2012
340 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:24:02am |
Mitt Romney's favorite household cleaning product: Mop Anglo— David Waldman (@KagroX) July 25, 2012
341 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:25:29am |
re: #332 Big Steve
To bring us back to the original thread...sister of Big Steve's is always railing away at the "Patriarchy". That men fuck everything up by trying to run it and this is bad for all and us men are total douches. Well no doubt some of that is true but I believe the same genes/culture that causes men to be "patriarchal" are also the same genes/culture that cause us to dive on top of our girlfriends or wives and take the bullet for them.
Is it the same thing that causes mothers to dive on top of their children or husbands?
You're not excused for the patriarchy. Go make me a sammich.
342 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:26:06am |
Blech.
Sounded like John Bolton wrote Romney's VFW speech. Neocons hope he'd be secretary of state in Romney admin bit.ly/JFiA9b— Ari Berman (@AriBerman) July 25, 2012
343 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:26:13am |
re: #335 NJDhockeyfan
In the runup to Gulf War I (1991), Israelis bought gas masks in droves, put together secure rooms, etc., and more Israelis died (4) as a result of improper use of masks/suffocation than they did from the SCUDs fired by Saddam (2) (see here). That experience will inform Israeli defense policy, as does the ability to field the newest generation of Patriot air defense systems, plus the Iron Dome system. It's something that they take seriously, but Assad would be foolish to draw Israel into the fighting - it would effectively neutralize Assad's air capabilities, which are a major reason his regime has been able to hold off the rebel forces.
344 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:26:29am |
345 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:27:02am |
re: #344 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Mitt's secret TV indulgence: Saxon violence.
I agree w/Rep Bachmann. No one complained when Bill Clinton played his Anglo-Saxon on Arsenio— Gen JC Christian (@JC_Christian) July 25, 2012
347 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:28:01am |
349 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:29:30am |
re: #334 darthstar
I've still got that freakin' yodeling stuck in my head.
I'm probably not the only one cursed with "Movin' On Up" at this time.
351 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:29:58am |
re: #346 Big Steve
Will a Reuben do?
Since you spelled it correctly, yes. Don't ever get one from a place that spells it "Rueben".
352 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:31:32am |
And now for something completely different.
353 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:31:57am |
354 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:32:06am |
re: #348 Gus
I bet Obama never went sculling.
//
Via Google:
Did you mean:
obama cycling
obama schooling
obama scolding
obama spelling
355 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:32:20am |
re: #351 wrenchwench
Since you spelled it correctly, yes. Don't ever get one from a place that spells it "Rueben".
So, you never order Fried Lice?
356 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:32:44am |
re: #343 lawhawk
In the runup to Gulf War I (1991), Israelis bought gas masks in droves, put together secure rooms, etc., and more Israelis died (4) as a result of improper use of masks/suffocation than they did from the SCUDs fired by Saddam (2) (see here). That experience will inform Israeli defense policy, as does the ability to field the newest generation of Patriot air defense systems, plus the Iron Dome system. It's something that they take seriously, but Assad would be foolish to draw Israel into the fighting - it would effectively neutralize Assad's air capabilities, which are a major reason his regime has been able to hold off the rebel forces.
I can understand why the Israelis are preparing for the worst. If Assad has his back against the wall and feels like he has nothing to lose he might go ahead and use WMDs.
357 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:33:13am |
What about our special Franco-American heritage? Why do you hate Spaghetti-Os?— David Waldman (@KagroX) July 25, 2012
358 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:33:42am |
re: #341 wrenchwench
Is it the same thing that causes mothers to dive on top of their children or husbands?
You're not excused for the patriarchy. Go make me a sammich.
Doncha know? it's that .000025 diluted drop of testosterone women have . . .
359 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:33:43am |
360 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:34:32am |
re: #356 NJDhockeyfan
I can understand why the Israelis are preparing for the worst. If Assad has his back against the wall and feels like he has nothing to lose he might go ahead and use WMDs.
Yeah, because nothing makes more sense than inviting an Israeli nuclear retaliation.
362 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:34:59am |
Huma Abedin Conspiracies Get Weirder
Walid Shoebat, who according to the Center for American Progress [pdf] is a “former purported Islamic terrorist turned apocalyptic Christian,” recently told David Horowitz’s FrontPageMag that Abedin’s marriage to Weiner, who is Jewish, is either part of her Muslim Brotherhood espionage or shows that Weiner converted to Islam, or both:
It is extremely rare to have Muslim women marry non-Muslims, much less to have conservative Muslims look the other way, unless Huma has a “higher calling” and a unique exception was made for her, since she is an ear into top U.S. sensitive information, or Anthony Weiner has converted to Islam or even both.
On Monday, Shoebat told the American Family Association’s Sandy Rios that the rise of Muslim Brotherhood is all part of biblical prophecy and we are witnessing the birth pangs of the End Times:He also claimed that Obama is assisting the Muslim Brotherhood and is “in bed with terrorists,” and that Michele Bachmann and Louie Gohmert, two of the five Republican congressmen who have accused Abedin of cooperating with the Muslim Brotherhood, are acting like modern day John the Baptist fighting today’s Herod:
363 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:35:06am |
LOL "LITERALLY" FAIL
Yet Another Obama Solar Company Shuts Down Facility bit.ly/QEBi53 Obama literally flushed BILLIONS of our money down the toilet— Bettina Viviano (@BettinaVLA) July 25, 2012
364 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:35:15am |
Every frickin' day this bird starts whistling outside. I don't know what type of bird, not a cardinal--I know their call.
Sounds like a human version of the "cat call" whistle. over and over and over and over.
I'm just not a bird lover.
365 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:36:43am |
re: #364 ggt
Every frickin' day this bird starts whistling outside. I don't know what type of bird, not a cardinal--I know their call.
Sounds like a human version of the "cat call" whistle. over and over and over and over.
I'm just not a bird lover.
366 | wrenchwench Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:37:11am |
re: #361 Gus
I bet Obama never went on a fox hunt.
//
Except when he caught Michelle.
/wild and crazy guy
367 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:38:18am |
re: #360 darthstar
Yeah, because nothing makes more sense than inviting an Israeli nuclear retaliation.
Yeah. Not gonna happen. For some reason they're trying to hype the chemical weapons story as some kind of of Saddam/SCUD missile analogy of sorts.
368 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:38:51am |
Romney's foreign policy speech could have been written by wingnut bloggers: thebea.st/OmUEaM— Andrew Sullivan (@sullydish) July 25, 2012
369 | darthstar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:39:06am |
Biden's statement on Romney campaign's "Anglo-Saxon" dog whistle.
“Despite his promises that politics stops at the water’s edge, Governor Romney’s wheels hadn’t even touched down in London before his advisors were reportedly playing politics with international diplomacy, attempting to create daylight between the United States and the United Kingdom where none exists. Our special relationship with the British is stronger than ever and we are proud to work hand-in-hand with Prime Minister Cameron to confront every major national security challenge we face today. On every major issue — from Afghanistan to missile defense, from the fight against international terrorism to our success in isolating countries like Iran whose nuclear programs threaten peace and stability — we’ve never been more in sync. The comments reported this morning are a disturbing start to a trip designed to demonstrate Governor Romney’s readiness to represent the United States on the world’s stage. Not surprisingly, this is just another feeble attempt by the Romney campaign to score political points at the expense of this critical partnership. This assertion is beneath a presidential campaign.”
370 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:39:23am |
372 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:40:48am |
re: #359 wrenchwench
"That's 'fried rice', you plick.
--old joke
What's all this I hear about flea elections in China?
374 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:41:06am |
Putting tolerance for leaks to the test
When President Obama's critics on the right accuse him of constitutional excesses they consider "outrageous," I tend to ask a simple question: did these same critics express any concerns at all when Dick Cheney said the Office of the Vice President isn't part of the executive branch? If not, I'm inclined to take their cries less seriously.
Similarly, when conservatives say they're incensed about leaks related to national security, I tend to ask another simple question: were they at all bothered by the Valarie Plame scandal?
Yesterday, Mitt Romney based a large portion of his VFW speech, ostensibly about his foreign policy vision, to complaining about leaks. The Republican candidate called the leaks "contemptible," adding, "It betrays our national interest. It compromises our men and women in the field. And it demands a full and prompt investigation by a special counsel, with explanation and consequence."
And yet, five years ago, Romney defended Scooter Libby, and condemned the investigation into the Plame leak as a "political vendetta." And this year, the connection is even more dramatic.
...
375 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:41:42am |
Google's predictive search has heard it all before...
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376 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:41:43am |
re: #363 Learned Mother of Zion
LOL "LITERALLY" FAIL
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I literally died laughing when I read that. Oh, wait.
377 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:43:04am |
re: #376 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
I literally died laughing when I read that. Oh, wait.
TheOatmeal has a cartoon about incorrect use of the word "literally" with some hilarious examples.
378 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:45:01am |
FRC Strategy Memo: ‘We Must Go On Offense,’ Target Secular Research And Young People
I thought they were offensive enough already.
GO ON OFFENSE: FRC has consistently played great defense. But at this “moment of critical mass” for this and the next generation, we must go on the offense to advance the Christian worldview as America’s only hope. We must double our impact!
GENERATE BIASED RESEARCH: Society listens to academic research, so we must use the language the secular world understands to prove that marriage and worship are foundational to a healthy society and economy. The left has many large institutes manufacturing faulty research to support their anti-family agenda, pro-family conservatives need a social science research powerhouse.
TARGET YOUNG PEOPLE: We have an aggressive plan to engage high school and college students, equip young leaders, and find new ways to communicate truth to the internet generation… we must flood the public debate with fresh, new pro-family activists. FRC must expand our development of materials and video curriculum to equip pastors and laypeople to effectively engage the culture… To expand our reach, we must expand our team that works directly with pastors and their congregations.
FUND ASTROTURF MOVEMENT: Many battles happen on the state and local level where grassroots activsits need FRC’s expertise, and where it is easier to be proactive… we can do unlimited lobbying and more political activity through our affiliated 501(c)(4), FRC Action.
379 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:45:04am |
380 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:45:54am |
re: #377 Learned Mother of Zion
TheOatmeal has a cartoon about incorrect use of the word "literally" with some hilarious examples.
My favorite real-life example was a co-worker enthusiastically describing how well-attended a presentation of his had been: "People were literally hanging from the ceiling!" Oh, really?
381 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:46:22am |
re: #379 Varek Raith
Wash Times Columnist Labels Batman Director, Hollywood The "Osama Bin Laden" Of The Aurora Shooting
Classy.
Moron.
382 | erik_t Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:47:13am |
re: #379 Varek Raith
Wash Times Columnist Labels Batman Director, Hollywood The "Osama Bin Laden" Of The Aurora Shooting
Classy.
I wouldn't wipe my ass with that rag.
383 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:47:52am |
re: #367 Gus
Assad threatening Israel with chemical weapons doesn't make a lot of sense from a tactical or strategic angle. It would give Israel a reason to carry out massive retaliation against Syrian forces - using all the weapons at Israel's disposal. But even if Israel retaliated with less than nuclear weapons, it would still destroy Assad's air capabilities.
Assad's barely able to hold off the rebel forces, so pulling in Israel (or Turkey) would be a death warrant.
Does that mean that Assad could irrationally believe that the threats will stave off the demise of his regime or put UN/Arab League/NATO plans on hold because of the threat? The latter might hold off if they think that Assad would do so, but it wont stave off the demise of his regime; he's already lost territory to the rebels, and is fighting to hold on to major cities.
Another dynamic at play is this: say Assad did fire WMD at Israel. Israel's retaliation would be a liberating moment for Syrians who have known of nothing but Assad's totalitarian regime for decades. It would undermine longstanding Arab/Islamic beliefs about Israel since any retaliation by Israel would likely result in aiding the toppling of the Assad regime, though it would also open the door for Hizbullah/Iran to expand its influence in the ensuing vacuum of power.
Gaming things out like this is one of the reasons that so many countries - both inside the Middle East and outside - prefer the status quo to changes/upheavals such as the Arab League. They'd rather take the devil they know to a complete unknown, even if the ultimate outcome is likely to be better than the existing situation.
384 | erik_t Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:48:42am |
re: #363 Learned Mother of Zion
LOL "LITERALLY" FAIL
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But when Bain had to shutter a company, it's just because they were innovative capitalist risk-takers or whatever.
385 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:48:59am |
Anarchist douchebag turns on his friends....
Bridge bomb plot suspect pleads guilty
AKRON, OH (WOIO) - The five men accused of trying to blow up a Cleveland-area bridge went before a judge Wednesday morning.
26-year-old Douglas L. Wright, 20-year-old Brandon L. Baxter, 35-year-old Anthony Hayne, 20-year-old Connor C. Stevens and Joshua S. Stafford are facing federal charges for plotting to blow up the Brecksville bridge.
Anthony Hayne pleaded guilty to three counts during the hearing.
About a dozen protestors - who claim the men were framed - picketed outside the courthouse.
387 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:49:36am |
911 Call Revealed NYPD Surveillance Den In New Jersey
The Associated Press has released the tape of the 911 call that revealed the NYPD’s extensive surveillance program of peaceful Muslims far beyond its jurisdiction. A building superintendent in New Brunswick, New Jersey called 911 in June 2009 to report what he thought was a terrorist hideout: an apartment containing nothing but NYPD radios and computers. “There’s pictures of terrorists. There’s literature on the Muslim religion,” he said to the 911 operator. In March, the NYPD endured harsh criticism for the secret surveillance, which compiled files on Muslim students and mosques from New Jersey to New Orleans. An NYPD deputy defended the operation in February by claiming that the detectives can operate outside New York because they aren’t conducting official police duties. The Associated Press, which broke the story earlier this year, won access to the 911 call after suing New Brunswick.
388 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:49:43am |
re: #374 Varek Raith
It's all about the right sort making the right kinds of leaks. If you aren't the right sort, then you're wrong.
389 | Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:49:46am |
re: #340 darthstar
Can't King Canute just appear and order the dirt to retreat from the floor?
//
390 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:50:25am |
re: #383 lawhawk
Assad threatening Israel with chemical weapons doesn't make a lot of sense from a tactical or strategic angle. It would give Israel a reason to carry out massive retaliation against Syrian forces - using all the weapons at Israel's disposal. But even if Israel retaliated with less than nuclear weapons, it would still destroy Assad's air capabilities.
Assad's barely able to hold off the rebel forces, so pulling in Israel (or Turkey) would be a death warrant.
Does that mean that Assad could irrationally believe that the threats will stave off the demise of his regime or put UN/Arab League/NATO plans on hold because of the threat? The latter might hold off if they think that Assad would do so, but it wont stave off the demise of his regime; he's already lost territory to the rebels, and is fighting to hold on to major cities.
Another dynamic at play is this: say Assad did fire WMD at Israel. Israel's retaliation would be a liberating moment for Syrians who have known of nothing but Assad's totalitarian regime for decades. It would undermine longstanding Arab/Islamic beliefs about Israel since any retaliation by Israel would likely result in aiding the toppling of the Assad regime, though it would also open the door for Hizbullah/Iran to expand its influence in the ensuing vacuum of power.
Gaming things out like this is one of the reasons that so many countries - both inside the Middle East and outside - prefer the status quo to changes/upheavals such as the Arab League. They'd rather take the devil they know to a complete unknown, even if the ultimate outcome is likely to be better than the existing situation.
The delusion of power some of these "leaders" are under, IMHO, makes it difficult to know WHAT they will do. We can only hope some of his handlers have some sense.
391 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:50:49am |
re: #383 lawhawk
Assad threatening Israel with chemical weapons doesn't make a lot of sense from a tactical or strategic angle. It would give Israel a reason to carry out massive retaliation against Syrian forces - using all the weapons at Israel's disposal. But even if Israel retaliated with less than nuclear weapons, it would still destroy Assad's air capabilities.
Assad's barely able to hold off the rebel forces, so pulling in Israel (or Turkey) would be a death warrant.
Does that mean that Assad could irrationally believe that the threats will stave off the demise of his regime or put UN/Arab League/NATO plans on hold because of the threat? The latter might hold off if they think that Assad would do so, but it wont stave off the demise of his regime; he's already lost territory to the rebels, and is fighting to hold on to major cities.
Another dynamic at play is this: say Assad did fire WMD at Israel. Israel's retaliation would be a liberating moment for Syrians who have known of nothing but Assad's totalitarian regime for decades. It would undermine longstanding Arab/Islamic beliefs about Israel since any retaliation by Israel would likely result in aiding the toppling of the Assad regime, though it would also open the door for Hizbullah/Iran to expand its influence in the ensuing vacuum of power.
Gaming things out like this is one of the reasons that so many countries - both inside the Middle East and outside - prefer the status quo to changes/upheavals such as the Arab League. They'd rather take the devil they know to a complete unknown, even if the ultimate outcome is likely to be better than the existing situation.
I think in a nutshell that Assad is crazy but he isn't that crazy.
392 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:51:38am |
More Republican news...
Creationists in Louisiana Win State Fundingwp.me/p2odLa-121 via @dianeravitch— LA Democratic Party (@LaDemos) July 25, 2012
393 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:52:33am |
re: #385 NJDhockeyfan
About a dozen protestors - who claim the men were framed - picketed outside the courthouse.
lol
394 | Varek Raith Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:53:59am |
395 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:55:20am |
One of these things is not like the others. twitter.com/TheDemocrats/s...— The Democrats (@TheDemocrats) July 25, 2012
396 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:56:50am |
re: #390 ggt
Not sure about his handlers, but his top level defense/intel officials were gutted as a result of that bombing last week. That could end up meaning that their successors will be far more brutal in their handling of the crackdown.
Syria's neighbors have to be wary of whatever Assad's doing. Turkey's already closed off its border to trade traffic. That's one less avenue that Assad can travel to renew diplomatic ties, leaving Assad with Iran as the one predictable ally in the region. Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Gulf States, and Jordan are all working towards containing Iran's ambitions, and that's another instance of where Israel's interests and those of other Arab countries are in sync.
Gus:
That's probably correct, though seeing how his top defense officials got killed last week, he might see the need to throw even more firepower at the rebels (and I'd say that's the mode he's gone in since the air force is now carrying out airstrikes in addition to the helicopter gunships that had coordinated strikes against rebel strongholds in Aleppo and other areas).
When facing such an unpredictable foe, prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.
397 | Eventual Carrion Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:57:08am |
re: #359 wrenchwench
"That's 'fried rice', you plick.
--old joke
Fluctuations, well fluck you white people too.
- Another old joke
398 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:57:28am |
re: #392 Gus
More Republican news...
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We must always be looking for creeping Sharia, so we won't notice when they do this kind of shit.
399 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:58:34am |
400 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:04:45am |
The Olympics are barely underway (soccer started today) and there's already a bunch of athletes disqualified for failing drug tests, but one athlete was booted because of racist twitter comments. A Greek triple-jumper was booted for the comments today.
With a 140 character message, triple jumper Voula Papachristou leaped her way out of the London Olympics and into an international spotlight she did not anticipate.
The Hellenic Olympic Committee expelled Papachristou from the team after the 23-year-old Greek mocked African immigrants on her Twitter account. The committee said that Papachristou was "placed outside the Olympic team for statements contrary to the values and ideas of the Olympic Movement."While gearing up for her first Olympic games on Sunday, Papachristou commented on the reported influx of West Nile mosquitos in Athens. She tweeted in Greek, "With so many Africans in Greece, the West Nile mosquitoes will be getting home food!!!" Her tweet provoked a bevy of ill responses, and many Greeks called for her dismissal from the Olympic team.
Papachristou also retweeted messages from the extreme right Golden Dawn party, which has criticized Greek's prime minister and his stance on immigration.
Racist is racist.
West Nile is prevalent around much of the world, including the NYC metro area. It is prevalent among migratory birds, which are a spreading vector.
401 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:09:07am |
402 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:09:26am |
Romney Made Repeated Trips To Bain, Weighed In On Business Decisions After 1999
Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has said he had no active role in Bain Capital, the private equity firm he founded, after he exited in February 1999 to take over Salt Lake City's Winter Olympics bid. But according to Bain associates and others familiar with Romney's actions at the time, he stayed in regular contact with his partners over the following months, tending to his partnership interests and negotiating his separation from the company.
Those familiar with Romney's discussions with his Bain partners said the contacts included several meetings in Boston, the company's home base, but were limited to matters that did not affect the firm's investments or other management decisions. Yet Romney continued to oversee his partnership stakes even as he disengaged from the firm, personally signing or approving a series of corporate and legal documents through the spring of 2001, according to financial reports reviewed by The Associated Press.
The details of Romney's contacts with his Bain partners between his 1999 departure and his separation from the company in mid-2001 could show how involved he was - either as CEO or passive investor - in several multimillion-dollar investment deals, bankruptcies and a spate of layoffs and overseas job shifts at Bain-owned companies that reportedly occurred during that span. Romney's role became a campaign issue in recent weeks because corporate records from the time showed his interests in some of those deals - despite his insistence that he gave up any decision-making authority once he left Bain.
403 | erik_t Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:10:35am |
re: #402 Kragar
Romney Made Repeated Trips To Bain, Weighed In On Business Decisions After 1999
Mitt Romney retroactively redefined 'active'.
(whoooh, just got the recursion-dizzies)
404 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:10:39am |
re: #400 lawhawk
The Olympics are barely underway (soccer started today) and there's already a bunch of athletes disqualified for failing drug tests, but one athlete was booted because of racist twitter comments. A Greek triple-jumper was booted for the comments today.
Racist is racist.
West Nile is prevalent around much of the world, including the NYC metro area. It is prevalent among migratory birds, which are a spreading vector.
On the media front BBC Sport is being boneheaded about Israel in their Olympics "countries site" -- as made aware to me by ADL. It's this...
[Israel] Seat of government
Jerusalem, though most foreign embassies are in Tel Aviv.
406 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:13:50am |
re: #402 Kragar
Romney Made Repeated Trips To Bain, Weighed In On Business Decisions After 1999
Yeah, that's being touted as the latest bombshell revelation by Think progress, TPM, Dkos, etc. I don't think it tells us anything we didn't already know.
407 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:13:50am |
Although the BBC Sport page does include a story about "Black September."
408 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:14:12am |
re: #406 Killgore Trout
Yeah, that's being touted as the latest bombshell revelation by Think progress, TPM, Dkos, etc. I don't think it tells us anything we didn't already know.
Uh. That's actually an AP story.
409 | Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:15:45am |
re: #400 lawhawk
West Nile is prevalent around much of the world, including the NYC metro area. It is prevalent among migratory birds, which are a spreading vector.
Is it a bad thing that at first glance I read that as minority birds?
410 | Interesting Times Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:16:11am |
Reince Priebus: "I don't expect the #AngloSaxonHeritage comment to hurt Romney's campaign, as we already plan to suppress the black vote."— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) July 25, 2012
411 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:16:59am |
re: #404 Gus
Yeah, the BBC is trying to avoid controversy by applying the term "seat of government" rather than capital to describe Jerusalem.
It isn't Tel Aviv - it never has been Israel's capital. Israel's capital has been Jerusalem (West Jerusalem from 1948 until 1967) and Jerusalem in toto since. Palestinians have likewise claimed Jerusalem as their capital but Israel has made it clear they refuse to repartition the city. Tel Aviv may be where most countries place their embassies or consulates to avoid appearing to give Israel's claims to Jerusalem more backing, but Jerusalem is the capital.
By singling Israel out for the "seat of government" treatment, they are holding Israel to a completely different standard than every other country in the world.
412 | Killgore Trout Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:17:18am |
re: #408 Gus
Uh. That's actually an AP story.
It is, and it confirms what we already knew. There aren't any revelations here that I can see.
414 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:20:02am |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
It is, and it confirms what we already knew. There aren't any revelations here that I can see.
So additional confirmation of "what we already knew" which has essentially been denied from the Romney camp isn't anything new?
415 | szilard Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:20:21am |
re: #229 ggt
Neither are mine. But then again I am from a different continent, and different age.
416 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:22:44am |
Uh oh. Here we go. Get ready for the gun nuts...
DNC Executive Director: Obama supports the 'reinstatement' of the assault weapons ban. shar.es/tPv3S— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) July 25, 2012
417 | erik_t Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:23:05am |
re: #414 Gus
So additional confirmation of "what we already knew" which has essentially been denied from the Romney camp isn't anything new?
It's funny, because I swear the usual suspects have been harping on lack of traceable confirmation on all sorts of stories recently.
418 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:23:35am |
Just two days before Barack HUSSEIN Obama signs the United Nations gun ban!!11ty
419 | Sheila Broflovski Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:25:26am |
Holmes mailed notebook describing his plans to shrink, who ignored it!
Source is Fox, so the 24-hour rule is in effect.
420 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:28:39am |
re: #419 Learned Mother of Zion
Holmes mailed notebook describing his plans to shrink, who ignored it!
Source is Fox, so the 24-hour rule is in effect.
Yikes!
...“Inside the package was a notebook full of details about how he was going to kill people,” the source told FoxNews.com. “There were drawings of what he was going to do in it -- drawings and illustrations of the massacre."
Among the images shown in the spiral-bound notebook’s pages were gun-wielding stick figures blowing away other stick figures.
The source said the package had been in the mailroom since July 12, though another source who confirmed the discovery to FoxNews.com could not say if the package arrived prior to Friday's massacre. It was not clear why it had not been delivered to the psychiatrist. The notebook is now in possession of the FBI, sources told FoxNews.com.
421 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:30:14am |
So he was in treatment --had a shrink.
?????????
422 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:31:35am |
re: #421 ggt
So he was in treatment --had a shrink.
???
Obviously there was no question that he should be able to buy a whole bunch of guns.
423 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:31:43am |
re: #420 NJDhockeyfan
This bit is weird:
Police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect. Although that package turned out to be from someone else and harmless, a search of the Campus Services' mailroom turned up another package sent to the psychiatrist with Holmes’ name in the return address, the source told FoxNews.com.
So the guy thought he got a package from Holmes, but what he thought was from Holmes wasn't from him, but by a complete coincidence there really was a package from Holmes in the mailroom to the psychiatrist?
424 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:32:26am |
re: #421 ggt
So he was in treatment --had a shrink.
???
The article says:
It could not be verified that the psychiatrist had had previous contact with Holmes, who was a dropout from the school’s neuroscience doctoral program and had studied various mental health issues and ailments as part of his curriculum.
425 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:32:56am |
re: #419 Learned Mother of Zion
Holmes mailed notebook describing his plans to shrink, who ignored it!
Source is Fox, so the 24-hour rule is in effect.
...
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT THE FATHER OF MODERN PSYCHOLOGY, SIGMUND FREUD, WAS FRIENDS WITH KARL MARX WHICH MEANS THE FAULT LIES SQUARELY WITH SOCIALISTS, LIBERALS AND DEMOCRATS!!11TY
426 | iossarian Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:33:28am |
re: #424 Obdicut
The article says:
Good point. They presumably wouldn't be able to confirm/deny whether he had had treatment, at this point, anyway.
Let the speculation commence!
427 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:33:41am |
re: #423 Obdicut
This bit is weird:
So the guy thought he got a package from Holmes, but what he thought was from Holmes wasn't from him, but by a complete coincidence there really was a package from Holmes in the mailroom to the psychiatrist?
Police and FBI agents were called to the University of Colorado Anschutz medical campus in Aurora on Monday morning after the psychiatrist, who is also a professor at the school, reported receiving a package believed to be from the suspect.
Was the psychiatrist his doctor or just one of his professors?
428 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:34:39am |
re: #426 iossarian
Good point. They presumably wouldn't be able to confirm/deny whether he had had treatment, at this point, anyway.
Let the speculation commence!
See #425.
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429 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:35:14am |
re: #427 NJDhockeyfan
Was the psychiatrist his doctor or just one of his professors?
Very unlikely to have been his doctor. Most academic psychiatrists don't practice much, since they have to teach classes.
430 | HappyWarrior Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:35:17am |
re: #427 NJDhockeyfan
Was the psychiatrist his doctor or just one of his professors?
Sounds like both by the way the article is phrased.
431 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:35:41am |
re: #422 iossarian
Obviously there was no question that he should be able to buy a whole bunch of guns.
One has to be adjudicated mentally unstable in order for the law to prevent one from purchasing firearms. Just being in treatment isn't a determining factor. There are lots of people WHO SHOULD be in treatment that aren't--and they can get guns too!!! They, usually, are the problem, not the person who wants to be healthy. Also realize the vast majority of mental illness does not produce violence towards others.
I agree the 24 hour rule needs to apply to this story as the law and procedure, IIRC, is different if the practitioner is a PHd or an MD. They may say Psychiatrist when they mean Psychologist or vice versa. I can't imagine an MD ignoring signs of violence in a mental patient.
432 | lawhawk Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:36:40am |
RT:
The assault weapons ban - did it actually reduce the amount of crime during the period in which it was effective? I'm wondering whether it was actually effective in its goal, or was it more of a feel-good move as enacted. I'm leaning towards the latter due to the way the law was worded and the loopholes available.
I've been struggling to figure out how to address this since I don't own firearms and don't foresee myself ever owning one, but I wouldn't want to prevent someone who is law-abiding from obtaining firearms for recreational purposes or self defense.
There are rules in place to deal with certain kinds of internet sales of the weapons, such as having to pick up the firearms from a registered dealer (even if it isn't the one that sold you the weapon). Can those be strengthened further, but would that have made a difference with Aurora (nope, the shooter was not on police radar with at most a traffic violation to his name). Waiting periods wouldn't have mattered here either (again - the shooter wasn't on any watch lists).
Then, there's the issue of ammunition. Should there be a limitation on such sales (online or in-store)? A complete ban on ammo sales online? I'm leaning towards a ban on online purchases - you should have to buy ammo from a bricks and mortar location so that they can see who is actually buying instead of a blind buy via the Internet. Would a major purchase of ammo have sent off warning bells, because is it really within the realm of normal purchases to obtain thousands of rounds in short order? I'm thinking that isn't a normal series of transactions, and would have raised warning flags.
433 | HappyWarrior Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:36:47am |
I dunno. My psychiatrist was teaching while he was seeing me. I've since stopped seeing him but I even ended up seeing him at the graduation ceremony since psychology is also in the College of the Humanities.
434 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:36:52am |
435 | Obdicut Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:37:06am |
So is what happened that this guy thought there was a package for him from Holmes, it turned out not to be, but the FBI decided to sweep the whole mailroom anyway and found a package from Holmes for this guy?
I think this is probably bad reporting, because that seems wildly coincidental to me-- unless the psychiatrist had some reason to think he had gotten a package from Holmes.
436 | blueraven Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:38:11am |
re: #430 HappyWarrior
Sounds like both by the way the article is phrased.
Not really
It could not be verified that the psychiatrist had had previous contact with Holmes, who was a dropout from the school’s neuroscience doctoral program and had studied various mental health issues and ailments as part of his curriculum.
Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
437 | dragonfire1981 Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:38:49am |
re: #392 Gus
More Republican news...
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“These student-centered reforms will completely transform Louisiana and its students,” said Dr. Tony Bennett, Chairman of Chiefs for Change and Indiana Superintendent of Public Instruction. “Students will no longer have to settle for failing schools. Countless families will be able to select the best education option for their unique student’s needs. And superintendents and principals will be empowered to hone faculties of talented, dynamic, and effective educators. Armed with these bold reforms, Louisiana will soon lead our country in quality public K-12 education.”
“Louisiana is the first state in the nation to move public education towards a marketplace approach, where parents and students are able to choose from effective, quality education providers and the dollars follow the student,” said Paul Pastorek, Member Emeritus of Chiefs for Change and Former Louisiana State Superintendent of Education. “The nation will be watching as Louisiana continues to transform traditional education rules and lead its students towards untold achievement.”
Wow...
That's all I got at the moment.
438 | HappyWarrior Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:39:12am |
re: #436 blueraven
Not really
Read more: [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Ah my bad then. Then it sounds like no he was not Holmes' shrink then.
439 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:39:35am |
REPOSTING FOR EMPHASIS:
Just being in treatment isn't a determining factor. There are lots of people WHO SHOULD be in treatment that aren't--and they can get guns too!!! They, usually, are the problem, not the person who wants to be healthy. Also realize the vast majority of mental illness does not produce violence towards others.
We have to remove the stigma of mental illness. "Being in Treatment" alone is not a reason to deny a person the right to self-defense with a legal firearm.
440 | HappyWarrior Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:41:22am |
Re: The Obama you didn't build that comment. If one really looks at what he said, then it makes a lot of sense but if you choose to believe that Obama dissed small business owners by what he did. Romney himself later agreed with the crux of Obama's argument later but still decided to distort Obama's words in an ad. Trust me as the son of a former small business owner, success and failure are based on many factors.
441 | Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:44:39am |
re: #379 Varek Raith
Wash Times Columnist Labels Batman Director, Hollywood The "Osama Bin Laden" Of The Aurora Shooting
Classy.
I would call this creep an asshole but that would be an insult to assholes. Ditto for baboons. Maybe a rabid baboon, but sick monkeys can't help being vicious while this creature can.
442 | Kragar Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:44:46am |
Michele Bachmann Is On Her Way to Becoming an Official Right-Wing Martyr
Praising Bachmann as a hero and comparing her to John the Baptist and Margaret Thatcher, right-wing activists as well as radio talk show hosts like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck and Bryan Fischer have rushed to her defense. Yesterday on The Janet Mefferd Show, Gaffney, whose work is cited by Bachmann in her letters concerning Muslim government officials, expressed his “horror” and “anger” about criticism of Bachmann and her Republican allies . “They have been subjected to the most egregious and in some cases just flat out uninformed criticism that I’ve experienced in these thirty-six years in Washington and I find it appalling,” Gaffney said, warning that the Muslim Brotherhood is using “pre-violent” means and its allies in government “to shut down the investigations we need into this kind of subversive activity within our wire.”
443 | NJDhockeyfan Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:46:28am |
My friend just called. The hospital is keeping him over night to monitor him. They don't like his kidney numbers, whatever that means.
444 | Gus Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:46:30am |
He sent the package to A psychiatrist and it was discovered after the shooting took place.
445 | HappyWarrior Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:46:40am |
re: #442 Kragar
Michele Bachmann Is On Her Way to Becoming an Official Right-Wing Martyr
Only to the right does one become a martyr for not being able to persecute enough. I feel so bad for Ms. Abedin getting treated like this because of the "sin" of being a Muslim-American and one that works for the Obama State department to boot.
446 | Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:47:15am |
re: #442 Kragar
Michele Bachmann Is On Her Way to Becoming an Official Right-Wing Martyr
Who decided that the criminally insane needed representation in Congress? The dim bulb voters obviously, with a lot of help from talk radio, corporate astro-turfing, and garden-variety religious quacks.
447 | Shiplord Kirel Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:48:37am |
448 | Gretchen G.Tiger Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:52:09am |
re: #442 Kragar
Michele Bachmann Is On Her Way to Becoming an Official Right-Wing Martyr
Classic example of someone who needs to be in treatment, but isn't. Ok, maybe a de-programming clinic.