1 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 8:50:58pm

I can't believe he didn't marry the excellent horse-like lady.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

2 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:01:22pm

Good Night, all.

3 jaunte  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:11:48pm

There may be the beginnings of a sequel of sorts to Black Widow, here.

4 austin_blue  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:20:26pm

My attorney was lying in the bathwater listening to Jefferson Airplane and tripping on acid when he yelled at me "It's White Rabbit! Throw the cassette player into the bathtub at the climax! I want to get as high as I possibly can!"

5 Kragar  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:23:31pm

re: #4 austin_blue

My attorney was lying in the bathwater listening to Jefferson Airplane and tripping on acid when he yelled at me "It's White Rabbit! Throw the cassette player into the bathtub at the climax! I want to get as high as I possibly can!"

Look, there's two women fucking a polar bear.

6 Gus  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:25:39pm

re: #5 Kragar

Look, there's two women fucking a polar bear.

You have a vivid imagination.

7 Kragar  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:26:41pm

re: #6 Gus

You have a vivid imagination.

Its from a movie.

8 Gus  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:27:17pm

re: #7 Kragar

Its from a movie.

Of course. It's always from a movie.

9 jaunte  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:29:51pm

re: #8 Gus

Don't go near the elevator, man, that's just what they want us to do. Trap us in a steel box, take us down to the basement.

10 simoom  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:30:08pm

I'm guessing this is another story from the same UK Telegraph interview with those two Romney foreign policy team advisers who were responsible for the "Anglo-Saxon heritage" idiocy.

David Cameron 'angered US conservatives' with 'unprecedented' election-year embrace of Barack Obama

David Cameron has failed to build alliances with the Republican Party and angered American conservatives with his "unprecedented" election-year embrace of Barack Obama, advisers to Mitt Romney have complained.

Seems a little odd to be criticizing/attacking the foreign leader who's about to host a meeting with your candidate, but what do I know.

11 Kragar  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:32:38pm

re: #9 jaunte

Don't go near the elevator, man, that's just what they want us to do. Trap us in a steel box, take us down to the basement.

With a bit of luck, his life was ruined forever. Always thinking that just behind some narrow door in all of his favorite bars, men in red woolen shirts are getting incredible kicks from things he'll never know.

12 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:32:47pm

re: #10 simoom

Given that the supposedly "conservative" Tories are well more "socialist" than many in the US Democratic party, it's not surprising that the UK ruling elites see the American Republican party as something of a throwback.

13 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:33:26pm

re: #10 simoom

I wonder if the alleged "adviser" was just one of the rabble of RWNJ bloggers Mitt met with.

14 Charles Johnson  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:34:15pm
15 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:34:23pm

re: #13 Mich-again

Swaine is sticking by his story that the advisor is part of Romney's advising team.

16 simoom  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:38:59pm

re: #14 Charles Johnson

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That's a sheep silhouette isn't it?

17 prairiefire  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:40:41pm

Rain! It's raining! Finally.

18 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:42:36pm

re: #16 simoom

That's a sheep silhouette isn't it?

I think the sign doesn't mean what some people think it means...

19 simoom  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:44:42pm

re: #13 Mich-again

I wonder if the alleged "adviser" was just one of the rabble of RWNJ bloggers Mitt met with.

The Telegraph's background attribution was "two Romney advisers" that are members of his "foreign policy advisory team," so probably not:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Coinciding with Mitt Romney's arrival in London for a six day foreign trip, The Telegraph reported two Romney advisers, later characterized as members of "the foreign policy advisory team," said President Obama could not fully understand the "Anglo-Saxon heritage" between the U.S. and Britain.

20 Mich-again  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 9:54:08pm

re: #19 simoom

maybe in this list then ..

Foreign Policy and National Security Advisory Team

(announced Oct. 6, 2011) Special advisors Cofer Black - Christopher Burnham - Michael Chertoff - Eliot Cohen - Norm Coleman - John Danilovich - Paula Dobriansky - Eric Edelman - Michael Hayden - Kerry Healey - Kim Holmes - Robert Joseph - Robert Kagan - John Lehman - Walid Phares - Pierre Prosper - Mitchell Reiss - Daniel Senor - Jim Talent - Vin Weber - Richard Williamson - Dov Zakheim. also regional and functional working groups. (added Nov. 29, 2011) Congresswoman ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Congressman Mario Diaz-Balart and former Congressman Lincoln Diaz-Balart.

Maybe one of them is a anglo saxophonist?

21 simoom  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:03:14pm

re: #20 Mich-again

Also, potentially, John Bolton:

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Though he is not listed as an official member of Romney’s foreign-policy and national-security advisory team, former U.N. ambassador and prominent neoconservative John Bolton has been identified in media reports as an influential policy voice in Romney’s circle.

22 dragonath  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:06:42pm

This is lame, even for Romney:

Romney ad says stimulus money went to buy electric cars from Finland as a payback to Obama supporters

The ad’s suggestion that the Fisker loan was a reward to a political supporter also falls flat. The program was approved initially by the Bush administration.

23 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 10:30:29pm

re: #4 austin_blue

My attorney was lying in the bathwater listening to Jefferson Airplane and tripping on acid when he yelled at me "It's White Rabbit! Throw the cassette player into the bathtub at the climax! I want to get as high as I possibly can!"

Was this bathtub in the same hotel as the bar with the Lizard people?

24 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:05:09pm
Asked in an interview with NBC News whether a citizen should be able to buy “6-thousand rounds off the internet,” Romney responded, “Well this person shouldn’t have had any kind of weapons and bombs and other devices and it was illegal for him to have many of those things already.”

ABC News has confirmed that all four weapons used by the alleged shooter were legally purchased, as was the ammunition.

A spokeswoman for Romney said the candidate was referring to the bombs in the alleged shooter’s apartment when he suggested illegality of some of the weapons.

This guy is some special brand of weaselly dumbshit.

25 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:12:39pm

re: #24 goddamnedfrank

This guy is some special brand of weaselly dumbshit.

Politics, and especially American politics, is about a politician telling his intended constituents exactly what they want to hear. Romney is going for the NRA vote, so expect him to say exactly what they want to hear.

It's very rare for a politician to have the guts to look at the people he wants to have vote for him and tell them what he knows they don't want to hear.

26 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:34:22pm

An encore here - Edita Gruberova does her thing:

27 dragonath  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:40:39pm

The weirdest freaking cola commercial I have ever seen:

Thanks, Germany

28 engineer cat  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:40:47pm

re: #26 freetoken

An encore here - Edita Gruberova does her thing:

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nice... my opera idn't too good... is that from strauss' ariadne?

29 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:46:23pm

re: #28 engineer cat

nice... my opera idn't too good... is that from strauss' ariadne?

It's an interpretation of a Saint-Saens piece.

30 Kragar  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:53:56pm

Here is some epic metal rock opera

31 freetoken  Wed, Jul 25, 2012 11:57:58pm

re: #28 engineer cat

Here's a somewhat better performance, at least for my taste:

32 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 12:02:24am

Ronnie James Dio 1964 - Che Tristezza Senza Te

33 freetoken  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 12:32:07am

Hey, look what came across the transom yesterday:

Walmart “Christmas In July” Statewide Canned Food Drive

Which reminds me....

No, it's not too early to shop, as there are only 151 more days until Christmas.

34 researchok  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 1:06:39am

Morning, all

35 researchok  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 1:12:45am

re: #33 freetoken

Wow.

Never gets old.

36 researchok  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 1:15:48am

re: #32 Kragar

Another snapshot in time

37 freetoken  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 1:46:22am

Now for a bit of Vaughan Williams, his Fantasy on a theme by Thomas Tallis:

38 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 1:49:03am

Ronnie Dio And The Prophets - Everybody's Got A Dance

39 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 1:53:31am

And last one before I sleep

Elf (featuring Ronnie James Dio) - Carolina County Ball

40 researchok  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 2:14:12am

re: #37 freetoken

The word 'grand' comes to mind

41 researchok  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 2:22:46am

re: #39 Kragar

That works.

42 researchok  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 2:23:04am

Later, all

43 Pip's Squeak  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 2:53:52am

re: #37 freetoken

A lovely performance.

44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 5:53:44am

Good morning Lizardia!

Light overcast and warm in Philadelphia.

Local sports talk appears to be concentrating on football with training camps opening and to a degree have already written off the Phillies. (Meanwhile, the Pirates remain in contention in their division...)

One local sports talk radio bomb-tosser who also does a column in the free Metro paper every week did a vindictive and typically snide takedown on Joe Paterno. Bully calling someone else a bully. Strange that he never spoke up for this before Paterno was dead. :p

Otherwise, things are calm and in a rut. But some vacation time next week since I have to go to Pittsburgh for a conference - so I am taking an extra few days off to go visiting some old haunts.

45 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 5:58:34am

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

a vindictive and typically snide takedown on Joe Paterno.
I can imagine pissing on a grave will reach Olympian Proportions there by the time college football season kicks off

46 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:03:30am

Dexter actress goes missing:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
I hope they find her.

47 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:05:36am

re: #45 sattv4u2

a vindictive and typically snide takedown on Joe Paterno.
I can imagine pissing on a grave will reach Olympian Proportions there by the time college football season kicks off

There has been less than I thought. That this writer/radio guy advocated nuking the program entirely for 2-3 years last week was no surprise. It's part of his MO as bomb-thrower to make semi-outrageous proclamations in order to stir up callers. (For example he wrote partway through last football season that he wanted the Eagles to lose their last 5-6 games so that they would then fire their head coach.)

So that he wrote this column was not that surprising. That most of it revolved around "I'm glad something finally took down this cranky and arrogant bully that noone would face" was surprising. And some pathetic glee was Paterno was now "an average Joe" and no longer the coach with the most wins was pretty stupid. That part of the NCAA penalty was pure window dressing, only impressive to stat wonks and people riding band wagons.

48 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:05:41am

re: #46 Tommy's cone of shame

Dexter actress goes missing:
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
I hope they find her.

unharmed and safe

49 CuriousLurker  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:06:49am

Hey Destro, WTH is up with the serial down-dings on Bob's Pages? Lame.

50 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:07:33am

re: #49 CuriousLurker

Hey Destro, WTH is up with the serial down-dings on Bob's Pages? Lame.

COOOBBBBRRRAAAA!

51 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:09:20am

re: #48 sattv4u2

They will, she wasn't driving a Subaru!

52 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:10:17am

re: #47 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

There has been less than I thought.

True, but the "outsiders" (non-Pennsyvanians) have been harsher

So that he wrote this column was not that surprising

As you stated, it's this guys MO

That part of the NCAA penalty was pure window dressing

Totally agree. It changes history. Those games were played and won. It doesn't "hurt" Joe Pa right now. I could almost see it if he were still alive,, almost. What of all the players that participated
"Son,, I'm going to show you a video of a game dad played in, but not really!!"

53 simoom  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:11:48am

The overseas trip is off to an excellent start I see:

Romney backtracks on criticism of London Olympics

US presidential hopeful Mitt Romney tried on Thursday to calm a row over unflattering comments he made about the London Olympics, as he met a series of British political leaders.

The Republican former governor of Massachusetts jetted in with wife Ann on Wednesday for a three-day trip which will take in the opening ceremony and a meeting with Prime Minister David Cameron.

But he caused a storm in Britain when he said in a television interview aired Wednesday that there were "disconcerting" reports about London's Olympic preparations, and questioned whether Britons were behind the Games.

...

In an interview with NBC News in London on Wednesday, Romney had said more pessimistically it was "hard to know just how well it will turn out."
"There are a few things that were disconcerting," he said.

"The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials -- that obviously is not something which is encouraging."

British border officials on Wednesday called off a 24-hour walkout by immigration staff scheduled for Thursday.

Romney even called into question whether the British people as a whole were supportive of the event.

"Do they come together and celebrate the Olympic moment? That's something which we only find out once the Games actually begin," he said.
Cameron insisted that Britons would be behind the Games, despite the country facing an economic downturn, and said the big turnout for the Olympic torch relay around the country showed the national spirit.

"I think we'll show the whole world not just that we come together as a United Kingdom, but also we're extremely good at welcoming people from across the world," he told a press conference at the Olympic Park on Thursday.

"I'll obviously make those points to Mitt Romney, I'm looking forward to our meeting later today."

Romney's Olympic eye is keener than most. The multimillionaire former businessman and investor was called in to head the 2002 Winter Games in Salt Lake City after preparations were marred by scandal.

But his comments on London's readiness were greeted with scorn in the British press.

...

Romney has a personal connection with the London Games. His wife co-owns the horse Rafalca, which will compete in Olympic dressage.

Her husband however sounded on NBC like he knew little about competitive dressage, which in London marks its 100th year as an Olympic sport.

"I have to tell you. This is Ann's sport. I'm not even sure which day the sport goes on," he said. "She will get the chance to see it, I will not be watching the event."

54 Mattand  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:14:10am

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Good morning Lizardia!

Light overcast and warm in Philadelphia.

Local sports talk appears to be concentrating on football with training camps opening and to a degree have already written off the Phillies. (Meanwhile, the Pirates remain in contention in their division...)

One local sports talk radio bomb-tosser who also does a column in the free Metro paper every week did a vindictive and typically snide takedown on Joe Paterno. Bully calling someone else a bully. Strange that he never spoke up for this before Paterno was dead. :p

Otherwise, things are calm and in a rut. But some vacation time next week since I have to go to Pittsburgh for a conference - so I am taking an extra few days off to go visiting some old haunts.

Wasn't Cataldi by any chance, was it?

55 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:15:51am

re: #53 simoom

In an interview with NBC News in London on Wednesday, Romney had said more pessimistically it was "hard to know just how well it will turn out."
"There are a few things that were disconcerting," he said.

"The stories about the private security firm not having enough people, the supposed strike of the immigration and customs officials -- that obviously is not something which is encouraging."


He's absolutely correct
The Brits have had inquiries into the security problems.
[Link: stream.wsj.com...]

CNN has (and is still) running stories about it

[Link: edition.cnn.com...]
London's Olympic security headache

Just GOOGLE Olympic Security Concerns

[Link: www.google.com...]

56 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:17:49am

re: #55 sattv4u2

There's lots of things that one could say that are perfectly correct, but are completely undiplomatic. Wannabe presidents are supposed to know this shit.

57 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:18:34am

re: #52 sattv4u2

There has been less than I thought.

True, but the "outsiders" (non-Pennsyvanians) have been harsher

So that he wrote this column was not that surprising

As you stated, it's this guys MO

That part of the NCAA penalty was pure window dressing

Totally agree. It changes history. Those games were played and won. It doesn't "hurt" Joe Pa right now. I could almost see it if he were still alive,, almost. What of all the players that participated
"Son,, I'm going to show you a video of a game dad played in, but not really!!"

Haven't seen (or looked to be honest) for much opinion on the subject. Living in the sphere of influence of Penn State Football there is a lot of careful stepping around going on.

The PSU boosters are distraught and still coming to grips with things I think. The boosters of their rivals (of which category I fall into) are taking some secret glee in this - but also do not think this downfall was in any way worth the cost that led to it. So there is a cloud of mourning, betrayal, and denial hanging about the region still I think.

Outside of that I am sure people see things in a much clearer light. Not being part of the "the cult" or in its area of influence it is easier to see that the gravity of the crimes outweigh the other considerations and thus believe that it is obvious that the penalties are deserved and that the community should be forcefully moving to correct the situation and ensure that it never ever happens again.

58 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:19:02am

re: #56 Obdicut

There's lots of things that one could say that are perfectly correct, but are completely undiplomatic. Wannabe presidents are supposed to know this shit.

So should sitting Presidents

59 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:19:07am

re: #54 Mattand

Wasn't Cataldi by any chance, was it?

I was that obvious, was I? :)

60 simoom  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:20:07am

re: #55 sattv4u2

Right, but Romney is not there in a managerial capacity to remind everyone about how well he ran the SLC Olympics at the expense of the current one -- he's there in a diplomatic capacity. Obviously telling the Brits they're F'ing it all up and they lack Olympic spirit is a particularly spectacular bit of failed diplomacy and that's why he's trying to walk it back at every stop he's making.

61 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:23:02am

Heading to Georgia's "Wine Country" today with Wifey

Should we take a vineyard tour/ wine tasting or go see a couple of the old gold mines

decisions decisions!!!

62 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:23:21am

re: #60 simoom

Right, but Romney is not there in a managerial capacity to remind everyone about how well he ran the SLC Olympics at the expense of the current one -- he's there in a diplomatic capacity. Obviously telling the Brits they're F'ing it all up and they lack Olympic spirit is a particularly spectacular bit of failed diplomacy and that's why he's trying to walk it back at every stop he's making.

But tact is a peon skill.

63 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:24:24am

re: #61 sattv4u2

Heading to Georgia's "Wine Country" today with Wifey

Should we take a vineyard tour/ wine tasting or go see a couple of the old gold mines

decisions decisions!!!

See gold mines with a glass of wine.
Win-win.

64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:24:57am

re: #61 sattv4u2

Heading to Georgia's "Wine Country" today with Wifey

Should we take a vineyard tour/ wine tasting or go see a couple of the old gold mines

decisions decisions!!!

What's the weather like? Assuming the gold mines are underground cool and damp on a hot and muggy day might be more enjoyable than being above ground. Or you need to find a winery partially built into an old gold mine...

65 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:26:34am

re: #63 Varek Raith

See gold mines with a glass of wine.
Win-win.

Lessee

Gold mine, they take you down to the caverns (walking all the way) and you have to actually pan for your own gold then walk all the way back up

Vineyard,, you sit on a porch overlooking the scenery, they bring you glasses of wines and cheese

umm,,decision made!!

66 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:26:43am

re: #60 simoom

It's kind of telling that Romney often seems to think that the best way to promote himself is through negative comparisons.

67 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:27:24am

re: #53 simoom

meme

68 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:28:05am

re: #64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

What's the weather like? Assuming the gold mines are underground cool and damp on a hot and muggy day might be more enjoyable than being above ground. Or you need to find a winery partially built into an old gold mine...

Leaving the high 90's of suburban Atlanta to go to the mid to high 80's of the Georgia foothills (and less humid)

69 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:30:59am

re: #65 sattv4u2

Lessee

Gold mine, they take you down to the caverns (walking all the way) and you have to actually pan for your own gold then walk all the way back up

Vineyard,, you sit on a porch overlooking the scenery, they bring you glasses of wines and cheese

umm,,decision made!!

Will there be banjo music?

(My experience of rural Georgia is getting a little outside of Athens back in the mid-80s to hit a BBQ place with my brother. An interesting experience.)

70 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:32:27am

re: #69 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Will there be banjo music?

(My experience of rural Georgia is getting a little outside of Athens back in the mid-80s to hit a BBQ place with my brother. An interesting experience.)

LOL

Co-worker has the T-Shirt

"Paddle Faster, I Hear Banjo Music"

No, Dahlonega Georgia is more Napa Valley-ish than Deliverance-ish

71 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:36:29am

re: #70 sattv4u2

LOL

Co-worker has the T-Shirt

"Paddle Faster, I Hear Banjo Music"

No, Dahlonega Georgia is more Napa Valley-ish than Deliverance-ish

The world does have its various oddities.

I visited my brother down in Lubbock, Texas in 1990 or so when he got married. We also went and visited a winery near there. Not the sort of land you'd expect to find one. (Then again there are alligator farms in Colorado.)

72 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:38:10am

re: #71 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The world does have its various oddities.

I visited my brother down in Lubbock, Texas in 1990 or so when he got married. We also went and visited a winery near there. Not the sort of land you'd expect to find one. (Then again there are alligator farms in Colorado.)

True. It's funny how we have a mental "label" for an entire region

73 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:41:14am

re: #70 sattv4u2

LOL

Co-worker has the T-Shirt

"Paddle Faster, I Hear Banjo Music"

No, Dahlonega Georgia is more Napa Valley-ish than Deliverance-ish

Have you been to Westville? Learn to make your own wine and everything else you need (like bricks).

[Link: www.westville.org...]

74 Interesting Times  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:43:47am
75 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:44:10am

re: #73 Decatur Deb

Have you been to Westville? Learn to make your own wine and everything else you need (like bricks).

[Link: www.westville.org...]

Yes

Son had a weekend soccer tourney in Warner Robbins. Monday morning we headed there (about an hours drive), spent the night and most of the next day before heading home

Really cool!

76 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:50:41am

So, I bought a house.

(Now there's more SPACE to put more STUFF. I think I'd better BUY more STUFF. Then I can fill up all of the SPACE so I feel like there's no SPACE to put STUFF so I can BUY another HOUSE to have more SPACE to put STUFF)

77 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:54:08am

re: #76 erik_t

So, I bought a house.

(Now there's more SPACE to put more STUFF. I think I'd better BUY more STUFF. Then I can fill up all of the SPACE so I feel like there's no SPACE to put STUFF so I can BUY another HOUSE to have more SPACE to put STUFF)

CONGRATS!!!!

re: "stuff"

We moved 3 times (Boston to North Carolina to Boston to Georgia) in a 14 month span

The 1st move we went to a smaller place forcing us to box a bunch of "stuff" and store it.

Here we are, 2 moves and 12 years later and most of the "stuff' is still in the original boxes either in our attic or the garage!!

78 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:54:23am

re: #75 sattv4u2

Yes

Son had a weekend soccer tourney in Warner Robbins. Monday morning we headed there (about an hours drive), spent the night and most of the next day before heading home

Really cool!

Wife did a dulcimer fest there. (I liked it much more when I had to haul her dulcimer. Now she's into steel drum.)

79 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:57:24am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

I liked it much more when I had to haul her dulcimer.

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

80 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:58:01am

re: #77 sattv4u2

The couches-atop-a-Civic is the part I'm most looking forward to...

81 darthstar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:58:05am

re: #78 Decatur Deb

Wife did a dulcimer fest there. (I liked it much more when I had to haul her dulcimer. Now she's into steel drum.)

Love a good dulcimer jam.

Mornin' Deb, everyone else.

82 darthstar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:58:44am

re: #80 erik_t

The couches-atop-a-Civic is the part I'm most looking forward to...

Want to borrow my Smart Car?

83 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:58:48am

re: #80 erik_t

The couches-atop-a-Civic is the part I'm most looking forward to...

84 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:59:30am

re: #82 darthstar

Want to borrow my Smart Car?

How "smart" can it be? It let you buy it!!!

85 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 6:59:39am

re: #82 darthstar

Want to borrow my Smart Car?

If you had two smart cars you could put the couch between them and make a catamaran.

86 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:00:20am

re: #82 darthstar

Want to borrow my Smart Car?

Does it have a roof rack?

87 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:00:37am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. I'm surprised Iran took as long as it did to blame Israel for the bombing in Bulgaria that killed a bunch of Israelis at the airport as an inside job. Israel has laid blame on Iran/Hizbullah.

Meanwhile, Iran has reportedly launched the first domestically built oil tanker, which is designed to help Iran circumvent sanctions against the country. The tanker was purchased by Venezuela.

And all while Israel and most of the Middle East is focused on Iranian designs on the region, there are growing concerns about the Muslim Brotherhood among Sunni-majority Gulf-state regimes. They're worried about being overthrown.

Some of this is a by-product of the Arab Spring, but there are legitimate concerns about the MB and their designs on power in various countries in the region. The Saudis helped quell protests in Bahrain to prop up the regime there, in part because of concerns about Iranian influence backing the protesters. The existing regimes don't want to see their power questioned, let alone diminished (either through agreed-upon changes/liberalization, or by open questioning of authority protests/insurrections, etc.). They're as much about preserving the status quo, even though the situation is hardly ideal for those living under these regimes or for the policies they support domestically or abroad.

And complicating all this? Syria and the ongoing civil war there. The violence continues unabated and there's no sign the situation will improve anytime soon. Assad's goons and Alawite dominated militias continue their vengeance against opposition militias giving still more fuel to a sectarian conflict. That's on top of Assad's military continuing operations against rebel-held strongholds in Aleppo and Damascus neighborhoods.

88 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:01:21am

re: #76 erik_t

Congrats, and bonus points for the Carlin reference.

89 darthstar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:01:25am

re: #86 erik_t

Does it have a roof rack?

No, but I have soft straps I put on it for my surfboard, which might actually be a few inches longer than the car.

90 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:02:31am

re: #89 darthstar

No, but I have soft straps I put on it for my surfboard, which might actually be a few inches longer than the car.

hell. my arms are a few inches longer than the car ,,,, and I have short arms!!

91 darthstar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:04:04am

Not to change the subject, but I like the fact that Mitt Romney seems to think people speculating about how dishonest he was with his taxes is better for him than people simply knowing that he got away with almost paying nothing for a couple of years. "People will think I'm evil if they know the truth about me." is a new one in Presidential races.

92 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:05:55am

re: #90 sattv4u2
Little Debbie snacks did a promo a year or so ago. They painted a fleet of Smart Cars to look just like little chocolate cupcakes,complete with the little white curly-q frosting design on top.

93 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:06:27am

re: #89 darthstar

No, but I have soft straps I put on it for my surfboard, which might actually be a few inches longer than the car.

Sounds like my canoe situation.

94 darthstar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:07:09am

Oh, dear...this is good news. Sorry, Romney.

95 simoom  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:09:32am

re: #91 darthstar

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Heh, it being the Union Leader I thought it would be amusing to see how many comments it would take before someone posted the popular RW standby about Pres. Obama needing to release his college transcripts first. The answer is three:

Jason Czekalski said:

Romney should refuse to turn over anything else until Obama releases his education records.
July 26, 2012 6:43 am

96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:12:23am

re: #82 darthstar

Want to borrow my Smart Car?

In old GDR, couch carry Trabant!
;)

97 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:12:36am

re: #95 simoom

Heh, it being the Union Leader I thought it would be amusing to see how many comments it would take before someone posted the popular RW standby about Pres. Obama needing to release his college transcripts first. The answer is three:

If I were Obama and the prevailing mood was that my college bullshit from twenty years ago was more relevant to the Presidency than Romney's tax returns from last fucking year, you know, I'd take a perverse sort of pride in that.

98 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:12:40am

re: #95 simoom

Heh, it being the Union Leader I thought it would be amusing to see how many comments it would take before someone posted the popular RW standby about Pres. Obama needing to release his college transcripts first. The answer is three:

HE ONCE GOT A C IN INTRODUCTORY PSYCH AFFIRMATIVE ACTION BARRY HUSSAIN OBUMMER

99 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:13:23am

re: #96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

In old GDR, couch carry Trabant!
;)

The rarely-seen Trabant joke auto-upding rule is in effect.

100 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:15:29am

I'm certainly no fan of North Korea (the regime, not the poor people that are under it's yoke), but they were rightfully mad about this

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
North Korea women footballers protest over flag gaffe
North Korea's Olympic women's football team walked off the pitch for an hour at their opening London 2012 match tonight after organisers mistakenly introduced the players using South Korea's flag.

I know it's probably nothing more than a simple key-stroke error by someone who wasn't paying proper attention to his/her job, but still

101 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:15:54am

re: #76 erik_t

So, I bought a house.

(Now there's more SPACE to put more STUFF. I think I'd better BUY more STUFF. Then I can fill up all of the SPACE so I feel like there's no SPACE to put STUFF so I can BUY another HOUSE to have more SPACE to put STUFF)

May your finances be up to stuff... ///

102 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:16:56am

re: #100 sattv4u2

I'm certainly no fan of North Korea (the regime, not the poor people that are under it's yoke), but they were rightfully mad about this

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
North Korea women footballers protest over flag gaffe
North Korea's Olympic women's football team walked off the pitch for an hour at their opening London 2012 match tonight after organisers mistakenly introduced the players using South Korea's flag.

I know it's probably nothing more than a simple key-stroke error by someone who wasn't paying proper attention to his/her job, but still

Yeah, I thought that was a pretty obvious one *not* to get wrong.

A bit like having the USA team running out under the old USSR flag in the 70s. "Hey, they're similar abbreviations!"

103 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:17:03am

Mah brain! Mah brain! Well, it's still working this morning. Sort of.

104 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:17:33am

re: #99 erik_t

The rarely-seen Trabant joke auto-upding rule is in effect.

Pulled some duty at an old MiG base near Erfurt after the wall came down. The Trabi's were piled about 12 high along the roadside. Apparently they don't melt down or bio-degrade.

105 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:18:04am

re: #102 iossarian

Yeah, I thought that was a pretty obvious one *not* to get wrong.

A bit like having the USA team running out under the old USSR flag in the 70s. "Hey, they're similar abbreviations!"

Whoever was running the video board probably just typed in Korea and then hit the wrong one for the flag insert

106 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:18:31am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Pulled some duty at an old MIG base near Erfurt after the wall came down. The Trabi's were piled about 12 high along the roadside. Apparently they don't melt down or bio-degrade.

To break down, one must first be up. To degrade, one must first be... grade.

107 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:19:05am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Pulled some duty at an old MiG base near Erfurt after the wall came down. The Trabi's were piled about 12 high along the roadside. Apparently they don't melt down or bio-degrade.

OR ,, they were being prepared to be used as a high rise condo development!

108 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:19:21am

re: #94 darthstar

Oh, dear...this is good news. Sorry, Romney.

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109 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:19:26am

Thursday's daily dose of business 101 with John Crudele
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
He even threw in a Ron Paul to boot!

110 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:20:17am

re: #107 sattv4u2

OR ,, they were being prepared to be used as a high rise condo development!

Wonder what their blaubuch value is now.

111 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:21:22am

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Wonder what their blaubuch value is now.

As a car, or a condo!?

112 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:22:40am

re: #111 sattv4u2

As a car, or a condo!?

Heh. Worth more than my Rover.

[Link: www.hemmings.com...]

113 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:22:56am

re: #108 Gus

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Yeah, the UK economy is screwed right now.

And all because a bunch of super-rich posh boys decided that the way to get out of a depression was to cut social services and hand the savings over to their chums!

A scenario which has no chance of occurring here, thank god.

/

114 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:23:35am

re: #104 Decatur Deb

Pulled some duty at an old MiG base near Erfurt after the wall came down. The Trabi's were piled about 12 high along the roadside. Apparently they don't melt down or bio-degrade.

Duroplast

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Heh. Not metal. Doesn't biodegrade (normally), but it's edible. I wonder how many wags have suggested breaking it down into kibble and feeding it to the poor.

115 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:24:37am

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Heh. Worth more than my Rover.

[Link: www.hemmings.com...]


1989,,,This is a very nice Trabant with only 32,000 miles

driven by a little babushka only on Sundays

116 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:25:02am

re: #114 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Duroplast

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Heh. Not metal. Doesn't biodegrade (normally), but it's edible. I wonder how many wags have suggested breaking it down into kibble and feeding it to the poor.

Yeah. IIRC, the body was a composite somewhat similar to a billiard ball.

117 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:26:02am

re: #113 iossarian

Yeah, the UK economy is screwed right now.

And all because a bunch of super-rich posh boys decided that the way to get out of a depression was to cut social services and hand the savings over to their chums!

A scenario which has no chance of occurring here, thank god.

/

Hang on. I think Milton put his foot in his mouth...

David Cameron hits back at Mitt Romney over London 2012 doubts

118 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:26:41am

re: #117 Gus

Hang on. I think Milton put his foot in his mouth...

David Cameron hits back at Mitt Romney over London 2012 doubts

Damn Soviet Union!
/Romney adviser

119 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:28:07am

re: #118 Varek Raith

Damn Soviet Union!
/Romney adviser

Mitt Romney. Blowhard.

120 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:29:03am
121 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:29:06am
122 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:29:17am

Okey Dokey then

As stated above, headed to Georgias wine country today

Was looking at the attractions in the town/ area

The #23 attraction is the Dahlonega DAIRY QUEEN!!

Be still, my heart!

123 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:31:42am

re: #117 Gus

Hang on. I think Milton put his foot in his mouth...

David Cameron hits back at Mitt Romney over London 2012 doubts

"Do they come together and celebrate the Olympic moment? And that's something which we only find out once the Games actually begin. It is hard to know just how well it will turn out," said Romney.

Can't wait until he gets to Ben Gurion.

124 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:35:18am

re: #123 Decatur Deb

"Do they come together and celebrate the Olympic moment? And that's something which we only find out once the Games actually begin. It is hard to know just how well it will turn out," said Romney.

Can't wait until he gets to Ben Gurion.

I hear he's also an expert on cookies.

125 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:37:26am

re: #124 Gus

Ah. Pittsburgh--had to look it up.

126 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:37:46am

Looks as if Romney isn't the only American concerned about London's Olympic security
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

127 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:38:21am

“We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course it’s easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere,”
-- Cameron striking back at Romney

...an allusion to Salt Lake City, which hosted Games that Mr. Romney oversaw.

Boom!

128 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:40:11am

re: #126 sattv4u2

Looks as if Romney isn't the only American concerned about London's Olympic security
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Romney's also worried about the Soviet Union.

129 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:40:38am

re: #128 Varek Raith

Romney's also worried about the Soviet Union.

Well, Putin is trying to get the band back together!!

130 gwangung  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:41:02am

re: #127 Gus

“We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world. Of course it’s easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere,”
-- Cameron striking back at Romney

...an allusion to Salt Lake City, which hosted Games that Mr. Romney oversaw.

Boom!

Bet that'll do a lot for Anglo Saxon relations.

131 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:43:26am

The Soviet Union is...

bereft of life, bloodless, bought the farm, breathless, buried, cadaverous, checked out, cold, cut off, deceased, defunct, departed, done for, erased, expired, extinct, gone, gone to meet maker, gone to reward, inanimate, inert, late, lifeless, liquidated, mortified, no more, not existing, offed, out of one's misery, passed away, perished, pushing up daisies, reposing, resting in peace, spiritless, stiff, unanimated, wasted

Any questions?

132 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:44:02am

re: #130 gwangung

Bet that'll do a lot for Anglo Saxon relations.

Oral sex.

Rmoney: Fuck you!

Cameron: Yeah, well fuck you too!

133 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:44:26am

re: #130 gwangung

Bet that'll do a lot for Anglo Saxon relations.

I love it. Romney goes to England and has another "7-11 cookie moment."

134 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:44:45am

re: #128 Varek Raith

Romney's also worried about the Soviet Union.

Zombie Commisars!

135 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:45:10am
136 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:45:17am

re: #131 Varek Raith

The Soviet Union is...

Any questions?

Nothing about fjords?

137 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:45:25am
138 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:46:05am

re: #134 Learned Mother of Zion

Zombie Commisars!

Image: simpson-tide1.png

139 dragonath  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:46:18am

re: #96 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The old GDR had possibly the worst named drink ever:

Image: Prick%20Cola%20VEB%20Brauerei%20Gotha.jpg

140 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:47:17am

“Also worth noting,” the e-mail read, “they both discussed their mutual love of Kit Kat bars.”

Dorks.

141 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:48:05am

re: #140 Gus

“Also worth noting,” the e-mail read, “they both discussed their mutual love of Kit Kat bars.”

Dorks.

142 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:48:55am

re: #137 Gus

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Horowitz:

George Soros, who is an evil man, who has evil designs on this country, once said, he said he aspired to be the conscience of mankind. He knows that he’s a corrupt businessman who has caused a lot of pain and so he redeems himself by being the champion of the progressive future. That’s what it does for them. If you look at history you will see that all these ‘isms’—communism, socialism, naturalism—they all emerge after Darwin, that is after the decline of organized religion. They replace the religious vision of a redemption in the next life with a communist vision with a redemption in this life, and that is why they are so bloody dangerous.

143 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:49:28am

re: #142 Gus

Horowitz:

Whut.

144 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:50:03am

re: #142 Gus

Horowitz:

Horowitz:

Anthony Weiner is a Jew. So according to Muslim law, either Anthony Weiner has secretly converted to Islam or Huma Abedin has been given a special dispensation to marry a Jew so she can infiltrate our government.

145 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:50:24am

re: #143 Varek Raith

Whut.

My thoughts exactly. Whut da fukity?

146 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:50:39am

Yo David! Put the crack pipe down!

148 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:52:58am

re: #142 Gus

Horowitz:

Must be a king.
How do you know?
Because he hasn't got shit all over him.

149 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:53:24am

What the fuck is Horowitz smoking?

150 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:53:44am

re: #144 Gus

Horowitz: Anthony Weiner is a Jew.

What is with these people and their obsession with labeling everyone. Weiner's Jewish, so fucking what?

151 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:55:00am

Factcheck.org on yesterday's bombshell Bain revelation: Bain: Still ‘No Evidence

The Obama campaign says a new Associated Press story backs up its claims that Mitt Romney “did not leave [Bain Capital] when he says he did,” and that he’s responsible for “American jobs that were outsourced” by Bain-controlled companies after February 1999. We don’t think so.
...
Is Romney to some degree responsible for decisions made by others in his absence? We’ll leave questions like that to pundits, and voters. But based on the facts, there’s still nothing to show that Romney made the decisions the Obama campaign claimed he did.

152 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:55:25am

re: #150 iossarian

What is with these people and their obsession with labeling everyone. Weiner's Jewish, so fucking what?

Guess it fits into Horowitz's plan, er blackboard, or notebook...

Delusions. Sounds like he used to drop acid or something. Maybe he's mixing up his flashbacks with his current imagination.

153 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:55:38am

From an ABC report on the Romney visit, apparently before the Olympic security exchange:

"While I'm on foreign soil, I'm very careful not to be critical of my own government's policies," Romney said. "I would be even more remiss if I were to be critical to any other government's policies. I will instead look forward to an exchange of ideas."

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

154 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:55:53am

re: #150 iossarian

What is with these people and their obsession with labeling everyone. Weiner's Jewish, so fucking what?

[using Pam-illogic]
Huma Abedin hasn't been honor-killed for marrying a Joo.
Therefore, it must be part of the Master Islamic Plan!
[/Pam-illogic]

155 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:55:56am

I think Horowitz's problem is that, because he lives in this fucked-up world where he blindly follows religious regulations that he doesn't really question or indeed understand, he assumes that everyone else must do that as well.

YOU ARE A MUSLIM THEREFORE YOU ALWAYS USE YOUR RIGHT HAND TO OPEN TINS OF CAT FOOD

156 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:56:54am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

But based on the facts,

How dare they use facts !

157 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:57:03am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Factcheck.org on yesterday's bombshell Bain revelation: Bain: Still ‘No Evidence

Which still leaves Romney trying to distance himself from an alleged post-Romney Bain Capital. Still not seeing that are you? What's wrong with Bain after he left?

158 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:57:24am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Factcheck.org on yesterday's bombshell Bain revelation: Bain: Still ‘No Evidence

Is Romney to some degree responsible for decisions made by others in his absence? We’ll leave questions like that to pundits, and voters.

Way to stick to your guns, factcheck.org!

159 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:57:28am

re: #156 sattv4u2

But based on the facts,

How dare they use facts !

Outrage!

160 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:58:24am

re: #159 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

You will note that factcheck is now refusing to directly answer the question as to whether Romney is responsible for Bain decisions in the period 1999-2002.

You would have thought, if they thought the answer was "no", they would just say so.

161 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:59:03am

re: #157 Gus

What's wrong with Bain after he left?

Nothing, from what I can see

Just like before he left, they had some successful ventures, they had some that didn't pan out

162 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 7:59:55am

Glad that's settled.

//

163 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:00:16am

re: #161 sattv4u2

What's wrong with Bain after he left?

Nothing, from what I can see

Just like before he left, they had some successful ventures, they had some that didn't pan out

Romney's a weasel. Fact.

164 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:00:23am

re: #160 iossarian

You will note that factcheck is now refusing to directly answer the question as to whether Romney is responsible for Bain decisions in the period 1999-2002.

You would have thought, if they thought the answer was "no", they would just say so.

It's hard to prove a negative. He may have been making the decisions at Bain but there's no proof that he did.

165 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:00:32am

re: #161 sattv4u2

What's wrong with Bain after he left?

Nothing, from what I can see

Just like before he left, they had some successful ventures, they had some that didn't pan out

40% of their profits came from companies that tanked under the debt that Bain loaded onto them.

In one case, they were taking money out while the company was laying people off and filing for bankruptcy.

But in any case, all you really need to know is that Romney thinks being associated with that period is so toxic, that he'll do anything to avoid acknowledging that his signature is all over the various legal filings and agreements.

166 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:00:43am

re: #160 iossarian

You will note that factcheck is now refusing to directly answer the question as to whether Romney is responsible for Bain decisions in the period 1999-2002.

Funny that.

167 dragonath  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:00:49am

Wow, Romney shook some pretty good responses out of the usually terrible comments at the Telegraph. A sample:

He prefers to criticise our culture rather than privatised and corporate incompetents charging millions for very little and the corrupt political system that advances their interests over the nation's. But that is Romney's culture in a nutshell : all for the super-rich via corporate domination of society.


This man represents everything that is wrong with the world today: happy to put the interests of huge corporations and the global elites in front of the needs of ordinary people in his own country, let alone ours.


Romney took over Salt Lake after rampant sleeze, corruption, etc were unmasked amongst the organisers. With a huge injection of federal money he did help to ensure the games ran according to schedule, so deserves credit, but brought a different level of sleeze by giving contracts to friends, firms he owned and political contributors.
His wife's show horse is also participating here in London, but whatever his previous connections, he has no business flying over to cast aspersions about our preparedness. What a toad.

Bringing people together!!

168 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:00:56am

Neither does Factcheck have evidence to the contrary.

169 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:01:57am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

It's hard to prove a negative. He may have been making the decisions at Bain but there's no proof that he did.

You could easily prove a negative in this case: come up with the guys who did make the decisions and signed off on them.

They've had weeks and no-one from Bain has come forward to claim responsibility.

That is pretty damning to anyone who isn't viewing this with a preconceived idea of Romney's innocence.

170 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:02:57am

re: #160 iossarian

You will note that factcheck is now refusing to directly answer the question as to whether Romney is responsible for Bain decisions in the period 1999-2002.

You would have thought, if they thought the answer was "no", they would just say so.

Is Romney to some degree responsible for decisions made by others in his absence? We’ll leave questions like that to pundits, and voters.

Unless there is hard evidence thats an opinion. I don't think FactCheck is an editorial site

171 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:03:07am

re: #164 Killgore Trout

It's hard to prove a negative. He may have been making the decisions at Bain but there's no proof that he did.

Yeah, that SEC paperwork sure puts a wrench in the gears!

172 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:04:04am

re: #160 iossarian

You will note that factcheck is now refusing to directly answer the question as to whether Romney is responsible for Bain decisions in the period 1999-2002.

You would have thought, if they thought the answer was "no", they would just say so.

Ha! Good one and true. Factcheck does not provide any proof that Romney did not have any influence. Yet Romney remains in the SEC documents.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:04:10am

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

174 dragonath  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:04:32am

Mr Leader? Did Mitt Romney forget Ed Miliband's name?

Mitt Romney follows gaffe over Britain's readiness to hold Olympic games by appearing to forget name of Labour leader

Image: Romney-miliband.jpg

Hehe

175 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:04:57am
176 gwangung  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:05:01am

re: #170 sattv4u2

Is Romney to some degree responsible for decisions made by others in his absence? We’ll leave questions like that to pundits, and voters.

Unless there is hard evidence thats an opinion. I don't think FactCheck is an editorial site

Which is, of course, why they awarded four Pinnochios to the Obama campaign.

They really shot themselves in the foot, and they'e continuing to reload.

177 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:05:14am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

Doctor.

178 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:05:42am

re: #170 sattv4u2

Is Romney to some degree responsible for decisions made by others in his absence? We’ll leave questions like that to pundits, and voters.

Unless there is hard evidence thats an opinion. I don't think FactCheck is an editorial site

So, as an informed voter, you have a range of opinions to choose from to answer the question: was Romney making decisions at Bain between 1999 and 2002?

The most pro-Romney position is now: "there's not enough evidence to say".

The most anti-Romney position is now: "yes, clearly he did, look, he signed all of these SEC filings and other forms, and several people at Bain have said that he attended meetings and at the very least negotiated his massive (and massively complex) severance package"

So the truth is presumably somewhere in between. It certainly can't be "he definitely wasn't involved".

179 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:05:54am

re: #168 Gus

Neither does Factcheck have evidence to the contrary.

Guilty until proven innocent.

180 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:06:20am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

Thoughts and good wishes for you and your family.

181 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:06:31am

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Guilty until proven innocent.

SEC papers.

182 blueraven  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:06:40am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

Yikes...get them to a doctor. Maybe they contracted a virus of some sort. Its probably nothing serious, but still.

183 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:06:40am

re: #179 NJDhockeyfan

Guilty until proven innocent.

Then it's not really a "fact."

184 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:07:26am

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

We still have the SEC documents. Next!

185 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:07:31am

re: #177 Varek Raith

Doctor.

They are scheduled to have their yearly checkup with the doctor today.

186 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:07:55am

re: #181 Varek Raith

SEC papers.

Facts. Inconvenient.

Better to ignore those.

187 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:09:09am

Retroactive retirement.
Nope, not trying to hide anything here.

188 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:09:11am

re: #181 Varek Raith

SEC papers.

Tainted by government. Unreliable. Solyndra!

189 Decatur Deb  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:10:11am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

Are they in a heat environment that is radically worse than home? Sometimes that's all it takes. Good that they're seeing the doc anyways.

190 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:10:25am

re: #187 Varek Raith

Retroactive retirement.
Nope, not trying to hide anything here.

I still haven't heard anyone outside of the campaign or the media able to say 'retroactive retirement' with a straight face. It's breathtakingly bold, and by 'bold' I of course mean offensively stupid and profoundly dishonest.

191 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:11:27am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

Doctor is the right call, just in case.

Best wishes.

192 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:11:52am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

Virus, environmental toxin (or allergy), or even heat exhaustion, if you're in really hot weather. Good that they're seeing their doctor, and my best wishes for both of them.

193 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:12:17am

re: #190 erik_t

I still haven't heard anyone outside of the campaign or the media able to say 'retroactive retirement' with a straight face. It's breathtakingly bold, and by 'bold' I of course mean offensively stupid and profoundly dishonest.

CNN's guy who write the Fortune article explained it quite well. It's not that difficult to understand.

194 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:12:23am

Morning,

again.

you?

195 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:12:46am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Hopefully it's nothing serious, but let the doctors check them both out. Good luck with them.

196 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:13:25am

Yep, skipped right over the SEC stuff.
Shocka!

197 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:13:28am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Strange things are going on with my kids. One of my daughters fainted last Friday in Tennessee while we were fishing off my uncle's boat dock. She fell into the water and I had to pull her out. She was probably under the water of 20 or 30 seconds but is fine. She doesn't remember being in the water.

Last night my other daughter fainted in the kitchen. They both are 10.

gatorade!

198 blueraven  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:15:25am

If Mitt Romney was staying on to gain leverage for his severance package, does anyone believe he didn't have some say over investment management and acquisitions?

199 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:15:41am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

CNN's guy who write the Fortune article explained it quite well. It's not that difficult to understand.

Yep. He took a leave of absence, while not appointing any interim officers because he expected to return. He continued to have full legal and fiscal responsibility, signing off on all deals. Later, when he decided he wasn't going to come back, he arranged for that leave of absence to turn into a retirement. Why he backdated it to 1999 is kind of a mystery, since he'd continued to take his salary and hold those positions through 2002. That's the bit that he hasn't even really attempted to explain, though it's probably some fiscal advantage for him to have done so.

So, it's much what it looks like; a privileged level of switcherooing that the ordinary person couldn't ever hope to take advantage of, available only to those who own their own company and can do such shenanigans.

200 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:17:35am

re: #195 lawhawk

Hopefully it's nothing serious, but let the doctors check them both out. Good luck with them.

My wife is going have get blood work and give them a total checkup.

201 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:19:18am

Still listening to the audio version of The Power Broker by Robert Caro. The book is making me sick to my stomach. If it was an hard copy I might have thrown it across the room several times by now.

LBJ had nothing on Robert Moses.

HUMANS!!!!

202 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:22:50am
203 A Mom Anon  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:23:02am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan
Best wishes to them,and you too. Nothing scarier than when the kids have some sort of health issue. Hopefully it's just this crazy heat.

204 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:25:24am

re: #178 iossarian

So, as an informed voter, you have a range of opinions to choose from to answer the question: was Romney making decisions at Bain between 1999 and 2002?

Another option could be that between 1999 and 2002 he ran both the Olymipics (incredibly complex undertaking) as well as Bain (a multi billion dollar multi national empire) and did both remarkebly well

Hell,,,after that being President of one country should come easy!!
/

205 gwangung  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:28:22am

re: #204 sattv4u2

So, as an informed voter, you have a range of opinions to choose from to answer the question: was Romney making decisions at Bain between 1999 and 2002?

Another option could be that between 1999 and 2002 he ran both the Olymipics (incredibly complex undertaking) as well as Bain (a multi billion dollar multi national empire) and did both remarkebly well

Hell,,,after that being President of one country should come easy!!
/

I think you're making better arguments than Romney is, himself.

206 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:28:48am

re: #201 ggt

What's amazing is that Moses was able to accumulate all that power in the first place, and each time he expanded his power, that gave him added incentive to gain still more.

IE: went from heading the NYC parks department to the state parks to the highway departments to link the state parks to the city, then bridges to link each to the other. It's why he was a master building, but his vision was spectacularly lacking re: mass transit. And his influence was so widespread that it affected transportation practices for decades thereafter (and still) around the US.

Mass transit options are finally being incorporated in many places in a serious and integrated fashion, but the costs are huge.

207 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:28:52am

re: #204 sattv4u2

So, as an informed voter, you have a range of opinions to choose from to answer the question: was Romney making decisions at Bain between 1999 and 2002?

Another option could be that between 1999 and 2002 he ran both the Olymipics (incredibly complex undertaking) as well as Bain (a multi billion dollar multi national empire) and did both remarkebly well

/

Could be. But Romney is denying that vociferously. Also, since most of the records of his time at the Olympics were destroyed, it's hard to really judge that, too-- aside from his proficiency in getting government funding, of course.

208 Interesting Times  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:29:51am

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

My wife is going have get blood work and give them a total checkup.

Didn't you have a fainting spell yourself either last year or the year before? Was the cause ever found?

209 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:30:13am
210 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:30:14am

re: #205 gwangung

I think you're making better arguments than Romney is, himself.

All his campaign has to do is send me a blank check and I'll keep em coming!

211 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:31:25am

re: #208 Interesting Times

Didn't you have a fainting spell yourself either last year or the year before? Was the cause ever found?

Menopause!
/

212 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:32:10am

re: #204 sattv4u2

So, as an informed voter, you have a range of opinions to choose from to answer the question: was Romney making decisions at Bain between 1999 and 2002?

Another option could be that between 1999 and 2002 he ran both the Olymipics (incredibly complex undertaking) as well as Bain (a multi billion dollar multi national empire) and did both remarkebly well

/

I think that would indeed be a good explanation of what happened. It accounts for a lot of the facts that we have available, and it makes a lot of sense.

It's a shame that Romney is running away from this explanation. Apart from that it's a winner.

213 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:32:53am

re: #206 lawhawk

What's amazing is that Moses was able to accumulate all that power in the first place, and each time he expanded his power, that gave him added incentive to gain still more.

IE: went from heading the NYC parks department to the state parks to the highway departments to link the state parks to the city, then bridges to link each to the other. It's why he was a master building, but his vision was spectacularly lacking re: mass transit. And his influence was so widespread that it affected transportation practices for decades thereafter (and still) around the US.

Mass transit options are finally being incorporated in many places in a serious and integrated fashion, but the costs are huge.

He also managed to take over public housing --anything that had federal money attached to it basically. He got all the FDR Program money that came to NY, it seems and managed to make sure that NY got more than most.

I have to wonder how much of the eventual race relations issues were the result of his "urban planning".

214 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:34:47am

re: #211 sattv4u2


a case of the vapors!
/

215 sattv4u2  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:35:24am

re: #214 Tommy's cone of shame

a case of the vapors!
/

Rhett,,, I do declare!!

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:35:31am

re: #206 lawhawk

What's amazing is that Moses was able to accumulate all that power in the first place, and each time he expanded his power, that gave him added incentive to gain still more.

IE: went from heading the NYC parks department to the state parks to the highway departments to link the state parks to the city, then bridges to link each to the other. It's why he was a master building, but his vision was spectacularly lacking re: mass transit. And his influence was so widespread that it affected transportation practices for decades thereafter (and still) around the US.

Mass transit options are finally being incorporated in many places in a serious and integrated fashion, but the costs are huge.

His addiction to power was so great, I have to wonder how many women (or boys) he raped. So far, the author hasn't mentioned any extra-curricular activity.

217 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:35:52am

Texas Congressman Pete Olson Is Here to Defend Honor of America, Capitalism, Ladies’ Purse Parties

“If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.” – President Obama, Roanoke, VA on July 13, 2012

Mr. President, I fundamentally disagree. In our capitalist system, businesses are created by an individual or group of individuals who have an idea for a product or service that others will want to purchase and, yes, so they can make a profit. This fundamental truth of our opportunity society is what built America, not government, bureaucrats, or mass armies of community organizers.

Indicator we're fucked, #2425: the number of passionate responses written in response to a deceptively-edited quote.

Devoid of ethics...or profoundly ignorant?

218 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:36:40am

re: #213 ggt

Well, he did rip apart older established communities where immigrant populations and lower income populations used as a springboard to more affluent areas, replacing those "slums" with high rise developments. That was seen as a more economical, enlightened, and efficient use of those parcels. Yet, even though you can get more people to live in a given area with more amenities, it destroyed a sense of community there - and those kinds of problems devolved into the drug den culture that took over many of the projects here in NYC and those based on the apartment complex setup elsewhere.

Urban development has come around to a lower density integrated housing scheme - low to mid rises that blend into their surroundings, rather than standing apart. The results have been a much lower crime rate and improved social and economic outcomes.

219 dragonath  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:37:35am

re: #213 ggt

Sadly, an example that too many urban planners wished to emulate. They never saw a parking garage that they didn't like, or better yet, his Judge Doom toll schemes.

Another reason why I like Nelson Rockefeller for forcing him outta power.

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:38:43am

re: #218 lawhawk

Well, he did rip apart older established communities where immigrant populations and lower income populations used as a springboard to more affluent areas, replacing those "slums" with high rise developments. That was seen as a more economical, enlightened, and efficient use of those parcels. Yet, even though you can get more people to live in a given area with more amenities, it destroyed a sense of community there - and those kinds of problems devolved into the drug den culture that took over many of the projects here in NYC and those based on the apartment complex setup elsewhere.

Urban development has come around to a lower density integrated housing scheme - low to mid rises that blend into their surroundings, rather than standing apart. The results have been a much lower crime rate and improved social and economic outcomes.

And the idea that whole communities are not isolated from the amenities of the city by the lack of public transportation or huge blocks of concrete that impossible to cross on foot.

221 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:39:22am

re: #217 The Ghost of a Flea

Texas Congressman Pete Olson Is Here to Defend Honor of America, Capitalism, Ladies’ Purse Parties

Indicator we're fucked, #2425: the number of passionate responses written in response to a deceptively-edited quote.

Devoid of ethics...or profoundly ignorant?

Really, it's not even that so much, it's the number of passionate responses that are completely ignorant of how society has enabled them to be the "rugged individualists" that they think they are. They all take so many things for granted -- the education they receive, the roads that bring customers to their door, the federal subsidies for the people that make the raw materials that are used in construction of their product, etc.

It's the same phenomenon as all the Wal-Mart and Wendy's middle-managers that like to talk about "Going Galt" -- they're not producers of any sort, and nobody will miss them when they're gone, but boy howdy do they love to imagine that Atlas Shrugged was all about them.

222 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:39:26am

re: #217 The Ghost of a Flea

in a Romney commercial they show "average people" and "small business owners" being offended (not the gilchrist ad) after seeing the edited quote, not the whole quote. In other words it's pure deceptiveness on the part of Romney.

223 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:41:15am

re: #219 Fred Galt

Sadly, an example that too many urban planners wished to emulate. They never saw a parking garage that they didn't like, or better yet, his Judge Doom toll schemes.

Another reason why I like Nelson Rockefeller for forcing him outta power.

Ah yes, the ongoing politics of construction jobs . . .

224 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:41:17am

re: #217 The Ghost of a Flea

Yes.

225 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:41:56am

re: #219 Fred Galt

Rockefeller had his own grand designs on NYS - he was a builder of epic proportions in his own right.

Among the projects he championed or backed: Empire State Plaza and the World Trade Center.

226 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:43:47am

bbl

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:45:22am

And the Empire State Building was almost broke --they had to get FDR to fill it?

Urban Planning seems to be more about proving dick size than the needs of people.

228 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:55:07am

re: #131 Varek Raith

The Soviet Union is...

Any questions?

It's kicked the bucket, it's shuffled off its mortal coil, rung down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!!

229 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:55:59am

Romney: the first Dressage President

Punning is now open.

Romney is in a tight Horse Race with Obama.

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:56:45am

We normally don't hear of scandals from China:

The wife of disgraced Chinese political leader Bo Xilai has been charged with the murder of UK businessman Neil Heywood, state news agency Xinhua says.

Gu Kailai and Zhang Xiaojun, employed at Mr Bo's home, were "recently" prosecuted by a Chinese court, Xinhua said, without giving further details.

Mr Heywood was found dead in a hotel in Chongqing on 15 November 2011.

The apparent murder of Mr Heywood triggered Mr Bo's downfall in a scandal that has rocked Chinese politics.

Local officials initially said Mr Heywood died of excessive drinking, but the government announced in April it was investigating Mr Bo's wife in connection with the case.

The two accused have been charged with intentional homicide by the Hefei Municipal Procuratorate (state prosecutor's office) in the eastern province of Anhui.

Britain welcomed the news, saying it was "glad to see" China is continuing the investigation into Mr Heywood's death.

And there is more!

231 dragonath  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 8:58:24am

Pre Moses-era, places where the public met were some of the grandest buildings of all. I wonder how much of a hand he had in changing the psychology of all that.

I have a theory that perhaps respect for public transportation, and perhaps respect for the federal government's role is bound up in what you can see of it on a local level. Pittsburgh is a really good example- giant classical styled federal buildings that are made out of granite. At least someone had confidence in the reserve system!

Public buildings, like park offices and post offices were built like brick you-know-whats all the way up to the 50s. It seems that increasingly from Eisenhower forward a lot of things slated for the public became second rate.

232 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:02:01am

re: #229 Kronocide

Romney: the first Dressage President

Punning is now open.

Romney is in a tight Horse Race with Obama.

It's just not a good image for an American Politician to have the same hobbies as the British Royal Family.

I don't begrudge Ann and her horses. Dressage isn't easy. Mastering those horses is an accomplishment. But, it could have been handled so much better --using her horses and experience for charity or other MS patients or their kids and having lots of photo ops.

233 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:03:40am

re: #231 Fred Galt

Pre Moses-era, places where the public met were some of the grandest buildings of all. I wonder how much of a hand he had in changing the psychology of all that.

I have a theory that perhaps respect for public transportation, and perhaps respect for the federal government's role is bound up in what you can see of it on a local level. Pittsburgh is a really good example- giant classical styled federal buildings that are made out of granite. At least someone had confidence in the reserve system!

Public buildings, like park offices and post offices were built like brick you-know-whats all the way up to the 50s. It seems that increasingly from Eisenhower forward a lot of things slated for the public became second rate.

Yes, there seems to be a real Bauhaus type of theme to public buildings --don't spend the public money frills and unnecessary brick-a-brac. Ugly, ugly, ugly. Not even good Bauhaus.

234 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:03:47am

Is Twitter down?

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:06:49am

re: #231 Fred Galt

Pre Moses-era, places where the public met were some of the grandest buildings of all. I wonder how much of a hand he had in changing the psychology of all that.

I have a theory that perhaps respect for public transportation, and perhaps respect for the federal government's role is bound up in what you can see of it on a local level. Pittsburgh is a really good example- giant classical styled federal buildings that are made out of granite. At least someone had confidence in the reserve system!

Public buildings, like park offices and post offices were built like brick you-know-whats all the way up to the 50s. It seems that increasingly from Eisenhower forward a lot of things slated for the public became second rate.

Also, after WWII, there was a change in building codes. IIRC, the realization that one could have vast spans of open space in a building with steel beams, negated the reason for a lot of the fluff and design--there were no pillars anymore, so no reason to have ornate capitals and fluting etc. Engineers took control of a lot, who unlike architects, didn't have aesthetics in mind.

236 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:07:46am

re: #234 Learned Mother of Zion

Is Twitter down?

G-d I hope so.

237 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:09:03am

re: #208 Interesting Times

Didn't you have a fainting spell yourself either last year or the year before? Was the cause ever found?

They don't know for sure but called it a seizure and now I have to take a pill twice a day.

238 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:11:48am

Ironworkers are almost as crazy as linemen
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

239 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:12:02am

following the money

Mexico's National Banking and Securities Commission (CNBV) said it had imposed the fine against HSBC due to its "non-compliance with anti-money laundering systems and controls".

HSBC Mexico issued a statement acknowledging that it failed to report 39 suspicious transactions and had been late in reporting 1,729 others.

"HSBC Mexico recognises it failed to strictly comply with banking regulations, and with the standards that regulators and clients expect of our institution," it said.

I don't know, do you think following the money makes more sense than following the guns?

240 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:13:35am

North Korea flag mix-up to go down in Olympic history as major insult

A video before the North Korea-Colombia Olympic women's soccer game Wednesday showed the South Korean flag. In the history of Olympic host nation embarrassments, it's a whopper.

Heh.

241 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:13:42am

re: #238 Tommy's cone of shame

Ironworkers are almost as crazy as linemen
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

I remember seeing footage of them throwing the hot metal joiner pieces to each other (rivets?) I always wondered if they dropped any, and what kind of impact it would have by the time it hit the ground.

242 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:16:17am

re: #241 ggt

Ah, the good old days. Dropped rivets don't hurt much, thats what hard hats are for. We sometimes will dredge up old rivets under bridges. Up here rivets don't fare well against salt, being swapped out with bolts.

243 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:17:53am

PA thanks IOC for refusing Munich victims memorial

The Palestinian Authority has thanked the International Olympic Committee [IOC] for refusing to allow a minute's silence at the opening ceremony in London to mark the 40th anniversary of the murder of 11 Israeli athletes in the Munich Games.

Jibril Rajoub, head of the Palestinian Football Union, sent a letter to IOC Chairman Jaques Rogge thanking him for his position, the PA's official news agency, Wafa, reported Wednesday.

244 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:20:35am

re: #234 Learned Mother of Zion

Is Twitter down?

Twitter down across the globe

Work increases across the world explodes.

245 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:20:36am

re: #242 Tommy's cone of shame

Ah, the good old days. Dropped rivets don't hurt much, thats what hard hats are for. We sometimes will dredge up old rivets under bridges. Up here rivets don't fare well against salt, being swapped out with bolts.

The new bridges they are building around here to replace those terrible open grate bridges are concrete for the most part anymore. Either poured onsite or cast offsite and brought in and set. They learned their lesson about open grate bridges and salt and what it can do to the supports after years of corrosion. But it was still cool walking over an open grate looking down at the water going under you.

246 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:22:36am

Unfreakingbelievable.

What was the name for the Dragon Tatoo series in the rest of the world --"Men Who Hate Women."?

247 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:23:00am

re: #232 ggt

honestly I doubt "she" participates much more than watching. This horse is a business investment complete with riders and trainers. Horseback riding may be therapy for those with MS. But i doubt she rides or really does "dressage".

248 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:23:49am

re: #242 Tommy's cone of shame

Ah, the good old days. Dropped rivets don't hurt much, thats what hard hats are for. We sometimes will dredge up old rivets under bridges. Up here rivets don't fare well against salt, being swapped out with bolts.

But if they hit a pedestrian.

I mean, people die from falling icicles from building roofs in Chicago Winters.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:24:37am

re: #247 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

honestly I doubt "she" participates much more than watching. This horse is a business investment complete with riders and trainers. Horseback riding may be therapy for those with MS. But i doubt she rides or really does "dressage".

Really? I thought the whole reason she got into horses was for therapy for her MS. Then, well, horses can be rather addictive --worse if you have the money for them.

250 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:24:49am

re: #241 ggt

I remember seeing footage of them throwing the hot metal joiner pieces to each other (rivets?) I always wondered if they dropped any, and what kind of impact it would have by the time it hit the ground.

This has all been pretty well established.

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:25:09am

re: #245 RayFerd

The new bridges they are building around here to replace those terrible open grate bridges are concrete for the most part anymore. Either poured onsite or cast offsite and brought in and set. They learned their lesson about open grate bridges and salt and what it can do to the supports after years of corrosion. But it was still cool walking over an open grate looking down at the water going under you.

that would make me dizzy

252 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:25:12am

re: #249 ggt

Really? I thought the whole reason she got into horses was for therapy for her MS. Then, well, horses can be rather addictive --worse if you have the money for them.

Yes, I've heard of people who were addicted to horse.

253 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:27:05am

re: #252 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Yes, I've heard of people who were addicted to horse.

*smack*

254 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:27:22am

re: #253 RayFerd

*smack*

duuuude!

255 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:29:12am

re: #245 RayFerd

Many of the bridges built in the Depression Era through the 1950s are approaching the end of their projected lifespan, so they need serious work to retrofit and extend their life. At many bridge retrofits/replacements/upgrades, they're replacing the obsolete hot riveted laced ties with bolted box beams. The new structures are more durable, better able to resist seismic loads, and should last longer. Those kinds of upgrades have been done on everything from the SF Bay Bridge to the Throgs Neck and Whitestone Bridges and thousands of bridges in between.

But it also means less money to build new infrastructure (all that money tied up on dealing with the existing stuff).

256 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:29:29am

Romney’s claims of misspent stimulus money

Thre may be a circumstantial case that the president has provided favors to friends, donors and special interests, whether it’s in the form of appointments, federal investments or beneficial restructuring deals. But no one to date has provided conclusive evidence that proves a direct connection between support and rewards--and as we have noted in the controvery over the exact date of Romney’s departure from Bain Capital, the burden of proof remains on the campaign or organization making such accusations.
...
On balance, the Romney campaign ad earns two Pinocchios.

257 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:29:46am

re: #249 ggt

It seems to me, and this is just my opinion after working on a horse farm for English Riding for the summer (and having a mother who was a home health aid for MS patients), that someone who has MS is probably not riding a horse in any way that could cause injury such as english riding or dancing such as dressage. Riding to help with balance? Sure. Training a horse to do tricks and jump hurdles? I doubt it.

258 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:30:28am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Romney's campaign symbol should be a pinnochio.

259 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:30:31am

re: #251 ggt

I have a ring-side seat to the WTC construction, and it's amazing to see what the workers are doing on the high steel day-in and day-out, in all kinds of weather conditions - from super hot to numbing cold.

260 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:31:23am

He should have called his horse Tax Credit

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:31:40am

re: #255 lawhawk

Many of the bridges built in the Depression Era through the 1950s are approaching the end of their projected lifespan, so they need serious work to retrofit and extend their life. At many bridge retrofits/replacements/upgrades, they're replacing the obsolete hot riveted laced ties with bolted box beams. The new structures are more durable, better able to resist seismic loads, and should last longer. Those kinds of upgrades have been done on everything from the SF Bay Bridge to the Throgs Neck and Whitestone Bridges and thousands of bridges in between.

But it also means less money to build new infrastructure (all that money tied up on dealing with the existing stuff).

Yes, infrastructure is the key to strong markets. It's vital we pay serious attention to the "socialist" public works programs our State and Federal elected critters fight over.

262 Flounder  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:32:35am

re: #250 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

Heavy equipment operators actually do look like that.

263 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:33:56am

re: #257 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

It seems to me, and this is just my opinion after working on a horse farm for English Riding for the summer (and having a mother who was a home health aid for MS patients), that someone who has MS is probably not riding a horse in any way that could cause injury such as english riding or dancing such as dressage. Riding to help with balance? Sure. Training a horse to do tricks and jump hurdles? I doubt it.

MS isn't always what you think. Lots of people have MS and yes, could do those things at some level, maybe even competition level. Sometimes the only symptom is fatigue, so you don't ride a horse on those days. . . .. My husband, his sister and niece have MS. You'd never know it to look at them.

As I understand it, that is why Ann got into horses.

264 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:35:00am

re: #260 Kronocide

He should have called his horse Tax Credit

Maybe that's what Rafalca means in old Anglo-Saxon.

265 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:35:04am

bbl

266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:35:12am
267 allegro  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:35:54am

re: #256 Killgore Trout

Thre may be a circumstantial case that the president has provided favors to friends, donors and special interests,...

Clearly no evidence at all. I mean, "may be a circumstantial case"? And it gets 2 pinnochios. The Obama campaign uses a direct quote from Romney about how he would be delighted to sign a bill prohibiting abortion completely, and their claim that Romney would support outlawing abortion completely gets a "pants on fire".

No MBF here. No, sir.

268 Usually refered to as anyways  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:36:43am

re: #266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Romney's London follies continue

He looks so animated for a still photo.

269 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:37:09am

re: #264 Learned Mother of Zion

Maybe that's what Rafalca means in old Anglo-Saxon.

Possibly, but I don't have my Anglo Saxon translator handy.

270 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:42:10am

Nothing tickles the Irony Funny Bone like an ignorant meathead saying 'Wake Up!'

271 danarchy  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:42:48am

re: #238 Tommy's cone of shame

Ironworkers are almost as crazy as linemen
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

Big difference being the guys in the old photo aren't wearing saftey harnesses.

272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:47:31am

re: #264 Learned Mother of Zion

Maybe that's what Rafalca means in old Anglo-Saxon.

The Old English word reaflac means

I. rapine, robbery, spoliation, plundering
II.what is taken, spoil, booty, plunder

Close enough?

273 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:47:43am

re: #151 Killgore Trout

Factcheck.org on yesterday's bombshell Bain revelation: Bain: Still ‘No Evidence

From your link:

That’s technically accurate, in the sense that Romney was still “technically in charge,” to quote the Globe’s story. So we put the more recent ads in the category of “accurate but misleading” because they fail to note that there’s no evidence Romney himself made the decisions being criticized.

We take note that the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker, Glenn Kessler, recently wrote that he “may withhold the awarding of Pinocchios” regarding claims made about Bain when the question of truthfulness turns on when Romney left the firm. Kessler restated his finding that “he effectively stopped managing Bain when he left for his Olympics job,” adding that “we cannot definitely prove that Romney did not play a role in Bain deals in 1999.”

We can’t prove that negative either, but our view remains that the burden of proof rests with the candidate making an accusation. We reject any notion that a mere accusation — whether made by the president’s campaign or any other — requires the person being accused to prove innocence.

274 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:48:00am

Hello from Los Angeles,
Just to share some good news, the verdict is in from the jury in a federal court where I testified as an expert witness over a couple days. Our side won the liability against the other side. Later I will find out the size of the damages awarded, but my part is said and done. Whew!

275 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:49:07am

re: #269 Kronocide

Possibly, but I don't have my Anglo Saxon translator handy.

You just didn't know you did.

276 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:49:11am

re: #272 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

The Old English word reaflac means

Close enough?

Now I can't stop thinking about that insurance company with the duck mascot.

277 jaunte  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:50:09am

re: #266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

278 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:52:11am

Weird message...

Twitter is currently down for .

We expect to be back in . For more information, check out Twitter Status. Thanks for your patience!

279 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:52:37am

Today marks the 2d anniversary of the Kalamazoo River oil spill that fouled waters leading to Lake Michigan, and which is the costliest pipeline cleanup project to date.

Wait, you haven't heard about this? Well, that's probably because this particular spill was overshadowed by the BP/Deepwater Horizon/Macondo disaster.

This particular spill dumped a million gallons of tar sands bitumen into the river, and it's fouled a 40 acre stretch of river bottom. The EPA admits that it will be impossible to remove all the oil and cleanup costs continue rising. It's $800 million and rising (and 5 times the cost of cleaning up the next largest spill). A report addressing the failings of the company that owned/operated the pipeline found all kinds of problems, including failing to respond to alarms in a timely fashion: We're talking about staff overseeing the pipeline in the control center in Edmenton, Canada not responding to alarms and waiting 17 hours over three shifts before doing anything, weak regulations and an operator taking advantage of the lack of regulations, the company restarting the pipeline twice despite the rupture, and there was corrosion and cracking in the pipeline, including a section that extended through 84% of the wall thickness of the pipeline before the rupture.

280 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:52:47am

Wait... it's back up.

281 GunstarGreen  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:53:03am

re: #278 Gus

Weird message...

Not really all that weird, just an amateur programmer forgetting to handle nulls in their code.

282 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:53:41am

...

283 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:54:09am

re: #282 Gus

...

Oops. That was supposed to be a Tweet. Looks like the hamsters are still down.

284 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:54:22am

U.N.’s Richard Falk accuses “the organized Jewish community” of crimes against Palestinians

The U.N. Human Rights Council’s Richard Falk is now accusing “the organized Jewish community” of being “responsible for the massive and enduring confiscation of Palestinian land and rights.”

Shocka!

285 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:57:56am

Two Rockets Fired from Gaza into Southern Israel

Richard Falk was unavailable for comment.

286 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 9:58:43am
287 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:00:10am

re: #279 lawhawk

And the cause was lack of regulation.

"We saw operator take advantage of weak regulations," Hersman said. "PHMSA was weak overseeing pipeline procedures."

288 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:04:00am
289 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:06:33am

re: #288 Learned Mother of Zion

Members of Congress to Hold Moment of Silence for Munich 11

Members of the U.S. House of Representatives will hold a moment of silence for the 11 Israeli athletes and coaches slain by Palestinian terrorists at the 1972 Munich Olympics.

“We’re going to give one-minute speeches on the House floor and devote a substantial moment of that to silence on Thursday,” Rep. Eliot Engel (D-N.Y.) said in a conference call with the media on Wednesday. Following that, he and Rep. Nita Lowey (D-N.Y.) will lead a group of lawmakers to the Capital grounds for another moment of silence.

Engel and Lowey are cosponsors of a bill calling on the International Olympic Committee to hold a moment of silence for the Israelis during Friday evening’s opening ceremonies of the London Games. The bill unanimously passed the House Foreign Affairs Committee, but a vote has yet to be scheduled by the full body. The U.S. Senate unanimously passed a similar resolution.

“On Friday, millions of people around the world will tune in to the Olympics opening ceremony,” Lowey said. “A minute of silence would be a reminder that we must be constantly vigilant against prejudice, hate and intolerance, and it would pay tribute to the Munich 11 and their families.”

290 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:06:43am

re: #287 Obdicut

And the cause was lack of regulation.

Well, that was a Canadian company. Our US companies are much more reliable and trustworthy. After all, our companies are simple folk just trying to make it through life, friendly, courteous, always ready to lend a helping hand to a fellow person. Yes we live in the Land of Goshen thanks to these people, US corporations.

PS: I hear they would give you the bricks off their back to help you out.

291 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:10:47am
292 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:11:22am

re: #291 Gus

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Derp.

293 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:14:25am

re: #292 Varek Raith

Derp.

He should have stuck with sculling and a fox hunt.

//

294 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:14:32am

Horowitz: Abedin May Have Been 'Given a Special Dispensation to Marry a Jew so She can Infiltrate our Government'

David Horowitz told American Family Association president Tim Wildmon yesterday that Weiner has either “secretly converted to Islam or Huma Abedin has been given a special dispensation to marry a Jew so she can infiltrate our government.” He lamented Republican criticism of attacks on Abedin at a time when Democrats have already been “thoroughly infiltrated and defending the jihadists”:

Horowitz: The inquiry; the fact that Michele Bachmann has been attacked as she has by Republicans, and the two key ones are McCain and John Boehner, is terrible. It’s bad enough that the Democratic Party is thoroughly infiltrated and defending the jihadists, the Islamists. But that the Republican Party should be doing this as well, it’s disastrous.

Wildmon: Michele Bachmann, the congresswoman from Minnesota is being demonized in the national media and what is happened here is that—and I’ve read about this a year ago or so—Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, her right hand person, who is married to disgraced Anthony Weiner—

Horowitz: Anthony Weiner is a Jew. So according to Muslim law, either Anthony Weiner has secretly converted to Islam or Huma Abedin has been given a special dispensation to marry a Jew so she can infiltrate our government.

Horowitz also claimed that Charles Darwin’s theory of evolution is to blame for the rise of the “dangerous” left because it makes people want to seek change in the world they live in:

295 Kronocide  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:14:40am

Rafalca: raffling falcon

296 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:14:58am
297 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:15:50am

Romneybot 6000 has encountered an error and must shutdown.

298 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:16:23am
299 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:16:40am

re: #297 Varek Raith

Romneybot 6000 has encountered an error and must shutdown.

Did it also have to take Twitter along?

300 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:16:54am
301 allegro  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:18:09am

re: #291 Gus

Just what we need. Another bumbling president to embarrass the US internationally.

302 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:18:42am

Fischer: 'Muslims are Worshiping a Demon'

Fischer: Allah is an extremely powerful demon. He is a demon God. What Muslims are worshiping is actually a demon. They think they are worshiping God, they’re deceived, they’ve been fooled, so I don’t want to be hard on them, the Muslims have been fooled, they’ve been lied to, they’ve been deceived, they think they are worshiping the true God but they are worshiping a demon-god, this is according to the New Testament. You may disagree with me but there is no question that this is what Christianity teaches. So it’s fine if you take a different view, that’s fine, you’re entitled to your view, this is America; we have freedom of speech and freedom of thought. But from a Christian stand point, from a New Testament stand point, there’s no question that Muslims are worshiping a demon. Allah is a demon God. Remember Jesus himself believed in the existence of Satan, he took Satan very seriously, Satan is a very real being according to the New Testament, he’s out there, not some kind of shadowy, vague, powerless figure but he is the dark ‘prince of the power of the air,’ as the New Testament describes him, so that’s who Muslims are worshiping.

303 wrenchwench  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:18:49am

re: #300 Gus

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I hope he doesn't get close enough to the queen to pat her on the head.

304 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:18:54am

First the Aussies and now the Brits.
Thanks Romney.

305 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:18:59am

re: #296 Gus

Someone was drunk while working the Twitter server, causing the outage.

306 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:19:54am

re: #303 wrenchwench

I hope he doesn't get close enough to the queen to pat her on the head.

"Say. Are these real crumpets or 7-11 crumpets?"

307 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:20:02am

re: #302 Kragar

Fischer: 'Muslims are Worshiping a Demon'

Whenever you're called out on a claim, merely continue to state that there is 'no question' that you're correct.

Where have I seen this before?

308 allegro  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:21:49am

re: #302 Kragar

Fischer: 'Muslims are Worshiping a Demon'

Can't we put these guys back on the street corners wearing you're-all-going-to-hell sandwich boards where they belong?

309 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:22:29am

re: #308 allegro

Can't we put these guys back on the street corners wearing you're-all-going-to-hell sandwich boards where they belong?

Dunce cap not optional.

310 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:26:00am

re: #302 Kragar

Fischer: 'Muslims are Worshiping a Demon'

I wasn't aware that there were any Muslims who worshipped Bryan Fischer.

311 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:26:27am

re: #291 Gus

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Wasn't he just having a conniption over supposed "leaks" coming from the White House? Wasn't that less than 72 hours ago?

312 iossarian  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:26:51am

re: #266 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Romney's London follies continue

"Yeah, I met with the guy who's helping the Syrians assassinate Assad. It's all cool."

"Vote for me, I'll never give away state secrets like that black guy does."

313 erik_t  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:26:56am

re: #310 Learned Mother of Zion

I wasn't aware that there were any Muslims who worshipped Bryan Fischer.

A+, would upding again.

314 Vicious Babushka  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:28:29am

re: #313 erik_t

A+, would upding again.

I'll be here all week! Try the shiitake pizza!

315 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:29:00am

re: #311 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

Wasn't he just having a conniption over supposed "leaks" coming from the White House? Wasn't that less than 72 hours ago?

Yeah. Wasn't it one of his advisers. The one that was involved in the Scooter Libby?

316 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:29:05am

Anger Games: Cameron, British Press Pounce On Romney’s Olympics Critiques

Cameron also fired back at Romney’s concerns over security, and suggested British officials were dealing with more complex issues than Romney faced when he ran the show. “We are holding an Olympic Games in one of the busiest, most active, bustling cities anywhere in the world,” Cameron said. “Of course it’s easier if you hold an Olympic Games in the middle of nowhere.”

Nor did the British press seem to appreciate Romney’s advice. “Mitt Romney questions London’s readiness for Olympic Games,” blared The Guardian, in a story that dwelt on Romney’s criticisms of the Games. The Telegraph couldn’t conceal it’s opinion of Romney’s remarks, writing, “if Mitt Romney doesn’t like us, we shouldn’t care,” and accusing Romney of launching a “charm offensive” that is “devoid of charm and mildly offensive.”

I hear next that the Brits will unleash the Piranha Brothers on Mitt.

317 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:29:40am

And how can we forget about what the Bush White House did to Valerie Plame.

318 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:31:51am

Dear President Barack Obama,
Please send the Secret Service to pick up Mitt Romney. He's being a very bad boy.
Thanks,
Britain.

319 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:32:20am

Fucking Republicans.re: #318 Varek Raith

Dear President Barack Obama,
Please send the Secret Service CIA to pick up Mitt Romney. He's being a very bad boy.
Thanks,
Britain.

FTFY

//

320 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:32:29am

re: #302 Kragar

Fischer: 'Muslims are Worshiping a Demon'

Then I fell at his feet and thought, Surely this is the hour of death, for the Lion (who is worthy of all honour) will know that I have served Tash all my days and not him. Nevertheless, it is better to see the Lion and die than to be Tisroc of the world and live and not to have seen him. But the Glorious One bent down his golden head and touched my forehead with his tongue and said, 'Son, thou art welcome.' But I said, 'Alas, Lord, I am no son of thine but the servant of Tash.' He answered, 'Child, all the service thou hast done to Tash, I account as service done to me.' Then by reason of my great desire for wisdom and understanding, I overcame my fear and questioned the Glorious One and said, 'Lord, is it then true, as the Ape said, that thou and Tash are one?' The Lion growled so that the earth shook (but his wrath was not against me) and said, 'It is false. Not because he and I are one, but because we are opposites -- I take to me the services which thou hast done to him. For I and he are of such different kinds that no service which is vile can be done to me, and none which is not vile can be done to him. Therefore, if any man swear by Tash and keep his oath for the oath's sake, it is by me that he has truly sworn, though he know it not, and it is I who reward him. And if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted. Dost thou understand, Child?' I said, 'Lord, thou knowest how much I understand.' But I said also (for truth constrained me), 'Yet I have been seeking Tash all my days.' 'Beloved,' said the Glorious One, 'unless thy desire had been for me thou wouldst not have sought so long and so truly. For all find what they truly seek.'"

--Emeth, the Calormene, describing his encounter with Aslan in The Last Battle

Elementary-school level theology for an elementary-school level argument.

321 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:32:57am

See!! LEFTIES want to have the opposition arrested!!

Proof!!

Hurr hurr.

322 Varek Raith  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:33:34am

re: #321 Gus

He's clearly not mature enough to leave the yard.
/

323 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:34:26am

re: #316 Kragar

I hear next that the Brits will unleash the Piranha Brothers on Mitt.

Image: dinsdale.jpg

324 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:35:25am

re: #323 Obdicut

Image: dinsdale.jpg

I thought that was Spiny Norman

325 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:36:26am

re: #324 Kragar

I thought that was Spiny Norman

Yes-- the solution to the Piranha Brothers.

326 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:36:36am

re: #323 Obdicut

Image: dinsdale.jpg

Dinsdale!?

327 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:36:47am

Dinsdale!

328 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:37:24am

re: #325 Obdicut

Yes-- the solution to the Piranha Brothers.

Image: TheLarch.jpg

329 Kragar  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:37:46am

re: #327 Gus

Dinsdale!

Doug was the really scary one.

330 Gus  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:37:58am

Yellow cake.

331 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:40:37am

re: #329 Kragar

Doug was the really scary one.

The Romney team is set to roll out the Other Other Operation any day now.

332 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:42:43am

re: #232 ggt

It's just not a good image for an American Politician to have the same hobbies as the British Royal Family.

I don't begrudge Ann and her horses. Dressage isn't easy. Mastering those horses is an accomplishment. But, it could have been handled so much better --using her horses and experience for charity or other MS patients or their kids and having lots of photo ops.

But these are upper class horses. They don't mix with hoi polloi either. Some servants excepted.

333 Obdicut  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:44:46am

re: #329 Kragar

Doug was the really scary one.

"... dramatic irony, the works."

334 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Thu, Jul 26, 2012 10:48:22am

re: #258 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Romney's campaign symbol should be a pinnochio.

The Romneybot 6000 has proven it can be more wooden than any pinnochio ever carved. The superiority of modern technology.
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