Debunking a Charles Krauthammer Falsehood - Update: Romney Repeats Churchill Falsehood, ABC News Doesn’t Catch It

Fact check: The bust of Winston Churchill
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President Barack Obama shows Prime Minister David Cameron of the United Kingdom a bust of Sir Winston Churchill in the private residence of the White House, July 20, 2010. (Official White House Photo by Pete Souza)

[Editor’s note: see the updates below for the rest of the story…]

I used to respect Charles Krauthammer because even though he is partisan he wouldn’t twist objective facts. It appears that’s no longer true, as another right wing “news analyst” sells his soul to the wingnut fringe with this ridiculous outrage of the day.

Perhaps Charles is trying to distract from the overseas conflagration that is Mitt’s trip to demonstrate his foreign diplomacy skills. Or perhaps it’s just an honest mistake combined with the laziness of believing something is true because you really wish it to be true; a tendency that professional con men count on from the gullible. Regardless and irrespective of those speculations, a journalist with integrity would print a full retraction now that the facts are known. Will Charles Krauthammer do so?

Also note that for the record I’m well pleased that our President put President Lincoln back into a place of prominence; one where his bust fits better than that of a foreign leader.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov…]

Lately, there’s been a rumor swirling around about the current location of the bust of Winston Churchill. Some have claimed that President Obama removed the bust of Winston Churchill from the Oval Office and sent it back to the British Embassy.

Now, normally we wouldn’t address a rumor that’s so patently false, but just this morning the Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer repeated this ridiculous claim in his column.  He said President Obama “started his Presidency by returning to the British Embassy the bust of Winston Churchill that had graced the Oval Office.”

This is 100% false. The bust still in the White House. In the Residence. Outside the Treaty Room. 

News outlets have debunked this claim time and again. First, back in 2010 the National Journal reported that “the Churchill bust was relocated to a prominent spot in the residence to make room for Abraham Lincoln, a figure from whom the first African-American occupant of the Oval Office might well draw inspiration in difficult times.” And just in case anyone forgot, just last year the AP reported that President Obama “replaced the Oval Office fixture with a bust of one of his American heroes, President Abraham Lincoln, and moved the Churchill bust to the White House residence.”

In case these news reports are not enough for Mr. Krauthammer and others, here’s a picture of the President showing off the Churchill bust to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House residence in 2010.

UPDATE at 7/27/12 1:04:23 pm

Speaking in Britain, Mitt Romney also got this totally wrong — and unfortunately, ABC News repeated the falsehood without catching it: Romney ‘Looking Forward’ to Returning Churchill Bust to White House.

LONDON –  Mitt Romney, speaking to a group of more than 200 supporters in hotel in the heart of London this evening, said he is “looking forward” to returning the bust of Winston Churchill to the White House after it was sent back to Great Britain by President Obama.

The GOP candidate, who suffered a brutal day of press after he suggested that he wasn’t sure the London Olympics would go off without a hitch, spoke highly of the British monuments — singling out the Churchill statue — that he said he got a firsthand look at while stuck in traffic — likely caused by the Olympic Games.

“You live here, you see the sites day in and day out, but for me as I drive past the sculpture of Winston Churchill and see that great sculpture next to Westminster Abbey and Parliament and with him larger than life, enormous heft of that sculpture suggesting the scale of the the grandeur and the greatness of the man, it tugs at the heart strings to remember the kind fo example that was led by Winston Churchill,” said Romney, speaking in a ballroom at the Mandarin Oriental hotel on the edge of Hyde Park.

“And I’m looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again,” Romney said, evoking applause from the group that helped the candidate raise more than $2 million for his campaign.

Romney’s remarks about the Churchill bust came the day after an article in a British newspaper blindly quoted advisors — who Romney said he did not know — who asserted that the candidate really wants the statue back in Washington D.C.

President Obama returned the bust in 2009, drawing ire from the British press who said that the move had made some leaders “nervous” about what the gesture meant for U.S.-U.K. relations. The bust had a home in the Oval Office during President George W. Bush’s administration.

The desire to have Churchill’s bust returned to the White House was a sentiment expressed by one of two Romney advisors who spoke anonymously to the British newspaper the Telegraph. The story has since ignited a firestorm of criticism of the candidate, who had vowed that his campaign would not speak ill of the Obama administration while on foreign soil.

Romney, who has distanced himself from the unnamed advisors who also suggested in the story that the White House doesn’t appreciate the “Anglo-Saxon” relationship between the U.K and the United States, saying he does not know who these advisers are, appeared to echo their assertion that he’d like the Churchill statue to return Washington.

The advisers told the Telegraph that Romney would “seek to reinstate the Churchill bust” and one told the paper that Romney “viewed the move as ‘symbolically important.’”

And note that Romney is echoing a point made by those unnamed advisers who caused a stir this week.

UPDATE at 7/27/12 1:29:49 pm

Here’s Fox News’s Monica Crowley repeating the talking point again:

UPDATE at 7/27/12 2:12:21 pm

Jake Tapper gets to the bottom of it: Is the Churchill Bust Controversy a Total Bust?

White House curator William Allman was quoted in a January 2010 story at cbsnews.com seeming to confirm the (incorrect) information. “Some Britons took offense when Winston Churchill’s bust was replaced with King’s,” the story reads. “But the decision to return the Churchill bust to the British – it had been presented by former Prime Minister Tony Blair to Bush on loan – had been made before Obama even arrived. ‘It was already scheduled to go back,’ Allman said.” So what gives?

Like a plot twist in a sitcom, IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE TWO CHURCHILL BUSTS!!!

The one in the White House Residence was a gift to the White House from the British Embassy during the Nixon administration.

The other one was loaned to President George W. Bush by British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Says James Barbour, Press Secretary and Head of Communications for the British Embassy, “The bust of Sir Winston Churchill, by Sir Jacob Epstein, was lent to the George W Bush administration from the UK’s Government Art Collection, for the duration of the Presidency. When that administration came to an end so did the loan; the bust now resides in the British Ambassador’s Residence in Washington DC. The White House collection has its own Epstein bust of Churchill, which President Obama showed to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House in March”

That other Churchill bust dates back to the Nixon administration, it turns out.

And this, of course, makes Mitt Romney’s faux outrage over Obama sending back one of two busts, when it was already scheduled to be returned, even more ridiculous.

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217 comments

1 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:30:48am

I have to agree with you re Krauthammer- he has become less thoughful and more partisan. Given his stature and reputation that is more than a bit disconcerting. That is why I don't post his opinion pieces- they are predictably biased. Fair criticism is one thing- and always helpful. Unfortunately, Charles Krauthammer has all too often taken fair criticism and turned it into a narrative that fits a particular point of view- not what I expect of him.

That said, Krauthammer may have been relying on a widely circulated news story that has until now, not been challenged.

From the Telegraph:

Barack Obama sends bust of Winston Churchill on its way back to Britain.

A bust of the former prime minister once voted the greatest Briton in history, which was loaned to George W Bush from the Government's art collection after the September 11 attacks, has now been formally handed back.

The bronze by Sir Jacob Epstein, worth hundreds of thousands of pounds if it were ever sold on the open market, enjoyed pride of place in the Oval Office during President Bush's tenure.

But when British officials offered to let Mr Obama to hang onto the bust for a further four years, the White House said: "Thanks, but no thanks."
Diplomats were at first reluctant to discuss the whereabouts of the Churchill bronze, after its ejection from the seat of American power. But the British Embassy in Washington has now confirmed that it sits in the palatial residence of ambassador Sir Nigel Sheinwald, just down the road from Vice President Joe Biden's official residence. It is not clear whether the ambassador plans to keep it in Washington or send it back to London.

2 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:33:38am

Charles Krauthammer has drank the poison long ago and is no longer relevant in any way shape or form to those who seek a valid point from a learned individual. Facts are to be brushed aside to make your point and reality is something that is only shown in the proper light with props to support your lies. He is a caricature of his former self and a total ass hat fool.

3 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:42:52am

re: #2 nines09

In fairness, in this case he was probably relying on a credible, published source for his information. To the best of my knowledge he is hyper partisan but not a liar, unlike many of his peers.

That said, there is some truth to what you say. Krauthammer is predictably biased

4 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:43:40am

re: #1 researchok

I expect news analyst's to have a lean or bias, what I don't expect is ignorance of basic facts. This wingnut fallacy has been circulating through the whirled nuts daily email chains a long time, and has been debunked several times. It's easy enough for someone of Krauthammer's stature to verify with a simple call the WH press office as well.

5 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:46:19am

Also see Snopes, where even my wingnut dad checks before believing something like this:

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

6 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:49:47am

re: #3 researchok

I too once respected his opinion. Then he began parroting the loons. I no longer listen to him and find no reason to defend his lies.

7 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:54:15am

re: #4 Randall Gross

I expect news analyst's to have a lean or bias, what I don't expect is ignorance of basic facts. This wingnut fallacy has been circulating through the whirled nuts daily email chains a long time, and has been debunked several times. It's easy enough for someone of Krauthammer's stature to verify with a simple call the WH press office as well.

That can't be argued.

You'e right.

Truth be told, I was also under the impression the bust was given back, based on the same Telegraph article.

I just did a cursory search and cannot find any Telegraph article that offered a correction to the story.

The moral of the story: No matter the source, verify, verify, verify.

Thanks for the proper info.

8 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:23:37pm

Charles doing what Charles now does and has been doing.
Parroting the loons.

9 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:39:25pm

It was 2010 when Cameron visited? Thought he was just here a few months ago.

10 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:51:57pm

///Bah, you can barely see it in that pic, show us the long form bust certificate!

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:52:05pm

re: #5 Randall Gross

I was going to do a post about this, but your Page says it well. Promoted!

12 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:53:08pm

re: #7 researchok

The moral of the story: No matter the source, verify, verify, verify.

That's the thing, apparently a single "credible" source is no longer sufficient. *sigh*

13 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:53:15pm

re: #4 Randall Gross

It's easy enough for someone of Krauthammer's stature any competent journalist to verify with a simple call the WH press office as well.

14 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:53:50pm

re: #9 Bulworth

Thanks for that correction, the WH page has it wrong too. It was March 2012.

15 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:53:53pm

And quite honestly, even if he had returned the Churchill bust, so what?

16 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:54:58pm

re: #15 Bulworth

And quite honestly, even if he had returned the Churchill bust, so what?

IT IRREVOCABLY DAMAGED ANGLO-SAXON RELATIONS!
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17 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:55:02pm

re: #14 Randall Gross

Thanks for that correction, the WH page has it wrong too. It was March 2012.

I did find some news reports of Cameron's having been here in July 2010. Apparently the 2012 visit during March Madness wasn't his first.

18 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:55:42pm

re: #15 Bulworth

And quite honestly, even if he had returned the Churchill bust, so what?

I'm with you. Also my guess is that the white house writer who posted this was thinking 2010 because that's when the lie started, Cameron visited March, this year.

19 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:56:06pm

re: #17 Bulworth

I did find some news reports of Cameron's having been here in July 2010. Apparently the 2012 visit during March Madness wasn't his first.

Ok great, and thanks.

20 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:56:24pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

I was going to do a post about this, but your Page says it well. Promoted!

Thanks!

21 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 12:59:08pm

Romney also got this totally wrong, and ABC News repeated the falsehood: Romney 'Looking Forward' to Returning Churchill Bust to White House

LONDON –  Mitt Romney, speaking to a group of more than 200 supporters in hotel in the heart of London this evening, said he is “looking forward” to returning the bust of Winston Churchill to the White House after it was sent back to Great Britain by President Obama.

The GOP candidate, who suffered a brutal day of press after he suggested that he wasn’t sure the London Olympics would go off without a hitch, spoke highly of the British monuments — singling out the Churchill statue — that he said he got a firsthand look at while stuck in traffic — likely caused by the Olympic Games.

“You live here, you see the sites day in and day out, but for me as I drive past the sculpture of Winston Churchill and see that great sculpture next to Westminster Abbey and Parliament and with him larger than life, enormous heft of that sculpture suggesting the scale of the the grandeur and the greatness of the man, it tugs at the heart strings to remember the kind fo example that was led by Winston Churchill,” said Romney, speaking in a ballroom at the Mandarin Oriental hotel on the edge of Hyde Park.

“And I’m looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again,” Romney said, evoking applause from the group that helped the candidate raise more than $2 million for his campaign.

Romney’s remarks about the Churchill bust came the day after an article in a British newspaper blindly quoted advisors — who Romney said he did not know — who asserted that the candidate really wants the statue back in Washington D.C.

President Obama returned the bust in 2009, drawing ire from the British press who said that the move had made some leaders “nervous” about what the gesture meant for U.S.-U.K. relations. The bust had a home in the Oval Office during President George W. Bush’s administration.

The desire to have Churchill’s bust returned to the White House was a sentiment expressed by one of two Romney advisors who spoke anonymously to the British newspaper the Telegraph. The story has since ignited a firestorm of criticism of the candidate, who had vowed that his campaign would not speak ill of the Obama administration while on foreign soil.

Romney, who has distanced himself from the unnamed advisors who also suggested in the story that the White House doesn’t appreciate the “Anglo-Saxon” relationship between the U.K and the United States, saying he does not know who these advisers are, appeared to echo their assertion that he’d like the Churchill statue to return Washington.

The advisers told the Telegraph that Romney would “seek to reinstate the Churchill bust” and one told the paper that Romney “viewed the move as ‘symbolically important.’”

And note that Romney is echoing a point made by those unnamed advisers who caused a stir this week.

22 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:01:47pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Jeebus H Christ. Can we haz better media plz?

23 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:03:05pm

re: #22 Bulworth

Jeebus H Christ. Can we haz better media plz?

No, now go watch Jersey Shore so you'll be able to understand the news tonight.
/

24 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:03:09pm

Here's a Yahoo story from today that repeats the "returned to the British Embassy" line.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I don't think Romney knew either, and if he did, he was being highly disingenuous about it. The Administration was probably waiting for him to saying something stupid about it in London.

25 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:03:10pm

re: #21 Charles Johnson

Wow, that's just stupid. One gaffe follows another. As the Snopes article points out, this apparently originated with Jack Kelly at the Pittsburgh Gazette back in 2010, which was another outrageous attempt to paint our President as a foreigner and inimical to our natural allies.

26 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:03:43pm

By the way, the Telegraph is not backing down an inch on that story about Romney's advisers. With their insistence it was accurate, and now Romney himself repeating one of the lines they said to the Telegraph, the issue of whether those quotes were accurate is settled. They were.

27 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:05:41pm

Seems to me Romney's in "Hey I may have pissed you guys off but here's something that Obama did." Pretty lame that Krauthamemr continues to spout this lie but he's got an agenda.

28 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:06:05pm

Just think: there are hundred of landmines like this out there for Romney & the press to step on because of the wingnut propensity to repeat lies so often to themselves that they believe them. There's probably a clinical term for that form of psychosis.The press really needs to get better at vetting these things.

29 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:06:06pm

What a bunch of bozos.

30 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:07:39pm

re: #28 Randall Gross

There's probably a clinical term for that form of psychosis.

re: #29 Gus

What a bunch of bozos.

I think you nailed it!

31 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:08:11pm

re: #30 wrenchwench

re: #29 Gus

I think you nailed it!

I like to keep it simple. ;)

32 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:09:47pm

Charles, I'm fine if you want to update with the Romney & Yahoo factoids. More noses need rubbing in this stink until they correct the lie.

33 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:11:00pm

Krauthammer is a hack and has been a hack for ages now. I'm not surprised he lied about something.

34 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:11:56pm
35 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:12:05pm

re: #32 Randall Gross

Charles, I'm fine if you want to update with the Romney & Yahoo factoids. More noses need rubbing in this stink until they correct the lie.

Just did!

36 simoom  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:12:08pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

By the way, the Telegraph is not backing down an inch on that story about Romney's advisers. With their insistence it was accurate, and now Romney himself repeating one of the lines they said to the Telegraph, the issue of whether those quotes were accurate is settled. They were.

While the Romney campaign issued a denial, Romney himself didn't outright deny it. He instead massaged & spun it a bit and seemed to kind of argue he has so very many advisers, including random people on the rope-line, he can't really be expected to keep track of them all:

[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]

"I'm generally not enthusiastic about adopting the comments made by people who are unnamed. I have a lot of advisers," he told Williams. "Actually we've gone from calling the rope line where I shake hands every day to the advice line. Because you have a lot of people that offer advice. So I'm not sure who this person is."

Romney added: "But I can tell you that we have a very special relationship between the United States and Great Britain. It goes back to our very beginnings -- cultural and- and historical. But I also believe the president understands that. So I- I don't agree with whoever that adviser might be."

The Telegraph eventually narrowed their background attribution to two members of the Romney foreign policy team.

37 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:13:00pm

Does anyone find it surprising that the GOP nominee for President apparently does NOT EVEN KNOW some of his advisers?

They must not be advising him much I guess.

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:14:18pm

He probably just looked through a who's who in Republican politics and thought "Yeah this will make me look severely conservative." It's probably why despite being pro choice and pro gay rights at one point in his career, he hired a right wing nutjob like Robert Bork to be his judicial adviser.

39 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:16:47pm

Romney in Greece: What a pleasure to be here in the birthplace of fried food

40 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:17:47pm

re: #37 dragonfire1981

Does anyone find it surprising that the GOP nominee for President apparently does NOT EVEN KNOW some of his advisers?

They must not be advising him much I guess.

Mitt's a busy guy. He doesn't have time to get to know the people working on his campaign.

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41 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:19:28pm

Romney in India: I like you folks, but I must say I am disappointed at the lack of Tomahawks and headdresses.

42 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:20:07pm

re: #40 Lidane

///

Mitt retroactively resigned from his own campaign, but he still offered advice at meetings from time to time.

43 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:20:31pm

Obama. Derangement. Syndrome.

44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:21:24pm

re: #41 dragonfire1981

Romney in India: I like you folks, but I must say I am disappointed at the lack of Tomahawks and headdresses.

He probably would make some remark about the Colt's chances this year as well. ;)

45 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:21:30pm

re: #43 Gus

Obama. Derangement. Syndrome.

Just imagine what a second Obama term will look like. It's going to be ODS II: Wingnut Boogaloo.

46 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:22:07pm

re: #45 Lidane

Just imagine what a second Obama term will look like. It's going to be ODS II: Wingnut Boogaloo.

Unfortunately, I think we will see an impeachment attempt. Boehner and Cantor especially are that craven.

47 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:23:34pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Unfortunately, I think we will see an impeachment attempt. Boehner and Cantor especially are that craven.

I'm still waiting for there to be legitimate grounds for impeachment. Being POTUS while black doesn't count, as much as the GOP would like that to be the case.

48 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:23:57pm

re: #34 Kragar

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Hurr hurr and a derpity derpy do!

49 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:25:58pm

The Brits probably are laughing at the American right's attempt to smear Obama as anti British. Obama and Prime Minister Cameron seem to get along. Hell the GOP was pissed off when Cameron praised Obama in a speech at a dinner. Obama's not the one who dissed the Brits while visiting the UK and in a book.

50 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:26:49pm

re: #41 dragonfire1981

Romney in India: I like you folks, but I must say I am disappointed at the lack of Tomahawks and headdresses.

"Hey? Can I see a Tribal Rain Dance?"

51 simoom  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:27:31pm

re: #26 Charles Johnson

Each stop on the Romney overseas trip is clearly intended as symbolic references to specific aspects of their "President Obama snubbing allies" meme. It's their semi-clever way of getting around the prohibition against overseas foreign policy criticisms. I'm guess what happened with the Telegraph was it was Romney's team background priming their narrative to a ideologically sympathetic local paper (hence their pushing the Churchill bust idiocy). In Poland it will be all about the strategy shift to a multilateral-NATO ship-based missile defense, and obviously in Israel they've broadcast an attack based on the lack of a Presidential visit to the country so far.

52 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:28:20pm

re: #49 HappyWarrior

The Brits probably are laughing at the American right's attempt to smear Obama as anti British.

FTFY.

Their wingnuts are violent racists like the EDL. Our wingnuts are the ignorant Faux News crowd that are too stupid to realize that they're woefully uninformed.

53 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:28:37pm

Mitt in Turkey: "So... stuffing or potatoes? I just hope its not store bought."

54 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:29:23pm

re: #53 Kragar

Mitt in Turkey: "So... stuffing or potatoes? I just hope its not store bought."

Mitt in Madagascar: "So when do those secret agent penguins show up?"

55 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:30:43pm

Mitt in Germany: So, why aren't you all wearing lederhosen? It looks comfy.

56 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:31:37pm

Mitt in Japan: It's such a great honor to finally visit China!

57 gwangung  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:31:42pm

re: #51 simoom

Each stop on the Romney overseas trip is clearly intended as symbolic references to specific aspects of their "President Obama snubbing allies" meme. It's their semi-clever way of getting around the prohibition against overseas foreign policy criticisms. I'm guess what happened with the Telegraph was it was Romney's team background priming their narrative to a ideologically sympathetic local paper (hence their pushing the Churchill bust idiocy). In Poland it will be all about the strategy shift to a multilateral-NATO ship-based missile defense, and obviously in Israel they've broadcast an attack based on the lack of a Presidential visit to the country so far.

So this explains the
a) Olympics and MI6 gaffe,
b) the "Czechoslovakia" and unwanted missile defense gaffe and
c) the big dinner during big Jewish fast gaffe,

right?

58 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:31:52pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Mitt in Germany: So, why aren't you all wearing lederhosen? It looks comfy.

Mitt in Austria: "I expected to see a lot more kangaroos."

59 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:32:36pm

re: #58 Kragar

Mitt in Austria: "I expected to see a lot more kangaroos."

Reminds me of the opening scene of Dumb and Dumber. Mitt's Lloyd Christmas without the likable oaf to him and he would keep Mary's briefcase for himself.

60 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:33:01pm

re: #56 dragonfire1981

Mitt in Japan: It's such a great honor to finally visit China!

Mitt in Japan: "I had no idea you guys were so poor you couldn't afford to cook your fish."

61 CuriousLurker  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:33:08pm

re: #53 Kragar

Mitt in Turkey: "So... stuffing or potatoes? I just hope its not store bought."

At which point Bachmann & Co. would probably want him investigated because they'd be convinced that the Turks had secretly converted him by poisoning him with some of that stealth halal turkey.

62 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:33:35pm

Mitt in Czech Republic; "I love Czechoslovakia!"

63 allegro  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:33:37pm

Winston Churchill was a great man without question. He was one of Britain's finest. Not ours, though he no doubt made important contributions to our nation as well. However, I don't get why W had his bust in the oval office in the first place when there are so many great and inspirational Americans that would be more appropriate for such a lofty place of display. I would also think that teabaggers would take considerable issue as well for a "ferriner" to be shown such respect when it could be the bust of, oh, I dunno, Reagan perhaps.

Not that I would lose a second of sleep over the issue. Just think it's weird.

64 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:33:54pm

re: #55 HappyWarrior

Mitt in Germany: So, why aren't you all wearing lederhosen? It looks comfy.

Is that real lederhosen or is that Sears lederhosen?

65 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:34:12pm
66 gwangung  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:35:09pm

re: #62 nines09

Mitt in Czech Republic; "I love Czechoslovakia!"

No, he's already done this....

67 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:35:14pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

WaPo: Romney likely to get a warm welcome in Israel

We'll see...

Oh I'm sure he will. Bibi and the rest of Likudniks will see to it.

68 Lidane  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:36:36pm

re: #63 allegro

Winston Churchill was a white foreigner that spoke English. The teabaggers and wingnuts like him just fine.

69 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:36:54pm

Mitt in the Phillipines: no American office could function without your envelopes!

70 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:37:06pm

Romney’s Central Foreign Policy Attack Against Obama Unravels

Undergirding Mitt Romney’s trip to Europe and Israel this week was a single concept: President Obama has weakened the view of America in the eyes of foreign leaders thanks to a policy of appeasement and “apology.” How the world views America is important, Romney said, and he’s going to see to it that America’s reputation overseas is bolstered on his watch.

Within 24 hours of Romney landing abroad, that premise had unraveled and Romney’s own top surrogates were scoffing at the notion that foreign opinions of America mattered at all to American voters.

71 gwangung  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:37:10pm

re: #67 Gus

Oh I'm sure he will. Bibi and the rest of Likudniks will see to it.

And the narrative will be that Romney rebound and recovers on his international tour.

There's much to be said about having gaffes in the early part of a trip....

72 nines09  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:37:12pm

re: #66 gwangung

Really? I missed it. There's only so many hours in the day and so many Mittin Muffs to catch. But you could smell it coming.

73 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:37:55pm

Maryland police detain "Joker", find weapons cache at his home

Maryland police thwarted a "violent episode" by a man who called himself a "joker" in an apparent reference to last week's Colorado movie theater massacre and threatened to use an arsenal of firearms against his former co-workers, police said Friday.

The announcement by Prince George's County Police came a week after a man wearing full body armor and toting three guns opened fire on a midnight screening of the latest "Batman" film in Aurora, Colorado, killing 12 people and wounding 58 others.

Neil Edwin Prescott, of Crofton, Maryland, was taken into custody on Friday morning after a predawn search of his home found a cache of 16 guns and thousands of rounds of ammunition, Prince George's County Police chief Mark Magaw said.

Prescott has not been arrested, but is being held under emergency petition, Magaw told a news conference on Friday. He is in the Anne Arundal Medical Center in Annapolis undergoing a court ordered mental evaluation.

"We can't measure what was prevented here," Magaw said.

That's some scary stuff.

74 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:38:03pm

re: #71 gwangung

And the narrative will be that Romney rebound and recovers on his international tour.

There's much to be said about having gaffes in the early part of a trip...

Yep. Sounds about right.

75 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:38:09pm

Meanwhile, in the strange world of the wingnuts, check out the Weasel Zippers post on this and the comments. These are some very twisted people.

[Link: lgf.bz...]

76 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:39:02pm

I wonder how Cameron responded when Mitt pledged to join the nation of Great Britain in finally capturing that Osama bin Laden fella?

77 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:39:50pm

Meanwhile, nobody seems to mind that Mitt's raising money from foreigners for his campaign:

"And I’m looking forward to the bust of Winston Churchill being in the Oval Office again,” Romney said, evoking applause from the group that helped the candidate raise more than $2 million for his campaign.

78 The Mongoose  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:40:57pm

The way ABC reported it and the quote I've seen seem to be at odds. Did Romney say he wanted to see the bust "back in the Oval Office" or "back in the White House"? The former would just be a statement designed to be appealing to his audience, the latter a fairly stupid repetition of a nonsense story...time to fire a researcher.

79 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:41:00pm

re: #77 Randall Gross

Meanwhile, nobody seems to mind that Mitt's raising money from foreigners for his campaign:

Heck. Most of Romney's money is in foreign banks.

80 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:41:39pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in the strange world of the wingnuts, check out the Weasel Zippers post on this and the comments. These are some very twisted people.

[Link: lgf.bz...]

On an artistic note, can I just say that is a really crappy looking bust? Did they carve it out of asphalt?

81 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:41:42pm

Maybe the Aurora shooter bought the guns illegally after all.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

82 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:42:14pm

re: #77 Randall Gross

Meanwhile, nobody seems to mind that Mitt's raising money from foreigners for his campaign:

Isn't that supposed to be illegal?

83 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:43:28pm

re: #75 Charles Johnson

Meanwhile, in the strange world of the wingnuts, check out the Weasel Zippers post on this and the comments. These are some very twisted people.

[Link: lgf.bz...]

After seeing it close up, I've got to say that's an ugly freaking bust, I'd personally put it in the basement, no offense to Anglophiles intended.

84 efuseakay  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:43:31pm

Mitt in South Korea: I'm so ronery.

85 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:43:43pm

You gotta love how Romney lies and lies but he cries like a little kid being told no when his record at Bain is called out. I'm looking forward to Obama demolishing this tool at the debates.

86 The Mongoose  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:43:49pm

re: #82 Bulworth

Isn't that supposed to be illegal?

I thought the same. Maybe they were American expats? But if so the Churchill comments seem more unusual.

87 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:44:15pm

re: #82 Bulworth

Maybe it's group of expats who still retain citizenship, but keep their wealth overseas? Who knows.

88 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:44:26pm

re: #86 The Mongoose

I thought the same. Maybe they were American expats? But if so the Churchill comments seem more unusual.

It's Mitt Romney. Unusual is his middle name.

89 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:45:22pm

Romney in Greenland: It's so great to be here with you all you wonderful tree huggers

90 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:46:35pm

Romney makes up shit about the bust but then his party complains when the British prime minister gives a speech praising Obama. Mommy, the mean Prime Minister is ruining our narrative that Obama's alienating allies.

91 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:47:35pm
92 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:47:44pm

Well I'm out, time to prep for my wife's b'day dinner.

93 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:48:25pm

re: #92 Randall Gross

Happy birthday from me!

94 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:48:28pm

re: #91 dragonfire1981

In today's new of the weird: Chick-fil-A Head Spokesman dies of sudden heart attack

Condolences to his family.

95 simoom  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:54:01pm

According to Tapper there are two (identical?) Churchill busts. One was on loan to president Bush and now resides in the Ambassador's Residence and one was given to Nixon and that resides in the White House?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

White House curator William Allman was quoted in a January 2010 story at CBSNews.com seeming to confirm the (incorrect) information. “Some Britons took offense when Winston Churchill’s bust was replaced with King’s,” the story reads. “But the decision to return the Churchill bust to the British – it had been presented by former Prime Minister Tony Blair to Bush on loan – had been made before Obama even arrived. ‘It was already scheduled to go back,’ Allman said.” So what gives?

Like a plot twist in a sitcom, IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE TWO CHURCHILL BUSTS!!!!!

The one in the White House Residence was a gift to the White House from the British Embassy during the Nixon administration.

The other one was loaned to President George W. Bush by British Prime Minister Tony Blair.

Says James Barbour, Press Secretary and Head of Communications for the British Embassy, “The bust of Sir Winston Churchill, by Sir Jacob Epstein, was lent to the George W Bush administration from the UK’s Government Art Collection, for the duration of the Presidency. When that administration came to an end so did the loan; the bust now resides in the British Ambassador’s Residence in Washington DC. The White House collection has its own Epstein bust of Churchill, which President Obama showed to Prime Minister Cameron when he visited the White House in March”

That other Churchill bust dates back to the Nixon administration, it turns out.

96 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:55:24pm

This is probably the stupidest nontroversy ever. Romney's a stupid jerk for trying to make it an issue to cover up for his own lack of tact involving anyone who isn't in his inner circle of rich snobs.

97 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:57:39pm

re: #95 simoom

Even more complexly:

The White House has had a bust of Winston Churchill since the 1960’s. At the start of the Bush administration Prime Minister Blair lent President Bush a bust that matched the one in the White House, which was being worked on at the time and was later returned to the residence. The version lent by Prime Minister Blair was displayed by President Bush until the end of his Presidency. On January 20, 2009 -- Inauguration Day -- all of the art lent specifically for President Bush’s Oval Office was removed by the curator’s office, as is common practice at the end of every presidency. The original Churchill bust remained on display in the residence. The idea put forward by Charles Krauthammer and others that President Obama returned the Churchill bust or refused to display the bust because of antipathy towards the British is completely false and an urban legend that continues to circulate to this day.

98 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 1:58:09pm

re: #95 simoom

According to Tapper there are two (identical) Churchill busts. One was on loan to president Bush and now resides in the Ambassadors Residence and one was given to Nixon and that resides in the White House?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Which means there's still a bust of Churchill in the White House.

99 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:00:21pm

re: #97 Obdicut

Even more complexly:

In other words, more Derp from the teabagging punditry

100 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:01:36pm

re: #97 Obdicut

Even more complexly:

So this is just Charles Krauthammer being Charles Krauthammer, right wing hack. Really there's nothing Obama can do to make these people happy. Part of me wishes he would go off on them one day at a press conference but I know that wouldn't be presidential either.

101 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:01:37pm

The story gets better- there were two White House Churchill busts

Is the Churchill Bust Controversy A Total Bust?

102 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:02:34pm

re: #98 Gus

And one given back.

I have a headache.
/

103 Mattand  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:02:58pm

Has anyone else noticed that the wingnuts/conservatives/Republicans are failing to mention that the bust that replaced Churchill's was Lincoln's, one of our greatest Presidents ever?

104 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:03:20pm

re: #95 simoom

According to Tapper there are two (identical?) Churchill busts. One was on loan to president Bush and now resides in the Ambassador's Residence and one was given to Nixon and that resides in the White House?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Like a plot twist in a sitcom, IT TURNS OUT THERE ARE TWO CHURCHILL BUSTS!!!

The Maltese Falcon!

105 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:03:39pm

re: #77 Randall Gross

Meanwhile, nobody seems to mind that Mitt's raising money from foreigners for his campaign:

That is something that has been bothering me too. Who is he getting this money from? Why the fuck would foreign interests be giving money to a US campaign? Who the fuck are these people (politicians) working for? You would think the Tea Party interests would be asking those questions. Has the Koch pulled out and the movement crumbled face down into the pillow? Was it just bullshit from the beginning?

I'm tired of asking questions. I am going to make a statement and it will be, "A Jack and Coke my good bartender!". L8R

106 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:03:51pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

The Maltese Falcon!

Oops, that a spoiler if you;re still catching up on movies from the 40's

107 allegro  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:04:10pm

Well, I am relieved. Now that I know the complete story of the Churchill bust doubles I can sleep well tonight.

108 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:04:32pm

re: #102 researchok

And one given back.

I have a headache.
/

And they're all by Epstein!

109 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:04:39pm

re: #103 Mattand

Has anyone else noticed that the wingnuts/conservatives/Republicans are failing to mention that the bust that replaced Churchill's was Lincoln's, one of our greatest Presidents ever?

Sure, if you liked THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION!
///

110 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:05:48pm

Dinsdale Epstein!

111 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:06:06pm

re: #109 Kragar

Sure, if you liked THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION!
///

And a RINO

112 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:06:29pm

re: #104 Killgore Trout

The Maltese Falcon!

In my basement.

113 Mattand  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:06:50pm

re: #109 Kragar

Sure, if you liked THE WAR OF NORTHERN AGGRESSION!
///

Sadly, a friend of ours has relatives with southern roots who actually use that idiotic phrase.

114 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:07:16pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

In my basement.

Next to the butfor.

115 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:07:37pm

Heh. The wingnuts wouldn't have liked Epstein:

...

In London, Epstein involved himself with a bohemian and artistic crowd. Revolting against ornate, pretty art, he made bold, often harsh and massive forms of bronze or stone. His sculpture is distinguished by its vigorous rough-hewn realism. Avant-garde in concept and style, his works often shocked his audience. This was not only a result of their (often explicit) sexual content, but also because they deliberately abandoned the conventions of classical Greek sculpture favoured by European Academic sculptors to experiment instead with the aesthetics of art traditions as diverse as those of India, West Africa, and the Pacific Islands.[10] People in Liverpool, however, nicknamed his nude male sculpture over the door of Lewis's department store "Dickie Lewis". Such factors may have focused disproportionate attention on certain aspects of Epstein's long and productive career, throughout which he aroused hostility, especially challenging taboos surrounding the depiction of sexuality.

...

In 1928, Epstein sculpted the head of the popular singer and film star Paul Robeson. A commission from Holden for the new headquarters building of the London Electric Railway generated another controversy in 1929. His nude sculptures Day and Night above the entrances of 55 Broadway were again considered indecent and a debate raged for some time regarding demands to remove the offending statues which had been carved in-situ. Eventually a compromise was reached to modify the smaller of the two figures represented on Day. But the controversy affected his commissions for public work which dried up until World War II.

...

116 jaunte  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:07:49pm

re: #95 simoom

Sir Jacob Epstein?

Send in the droids!
[Link: www.flickr.com...]

117 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:07:50pm

re: #114 Kragar

Next to the butfor.

What are ya, 10?

118 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:07:54pm

re: #103 Mattand

Has anyone else noticed that the wingnuts/conservatives/Republicans are failing to mention that the bust that replaced Churchill's was Lincoln's, one of our greatest Presidents ever?

That's a good point. I would love to see someone press Romney or Krauthammer on that finer point.

119 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:09:21pm

re: #117 Varek Raith

What are ya, 10?

I've got a 9 and 10 year old at home and have to be ready at a moment's notice.

120 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:09:37pm

re: #95 simoom

According to Tapper there are two (identical?) Churchill busts. One was on loan to president Bush and now resides in the Ambassador's Residence and one was given to Nixon and that resides in the White House?

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Making it even more ridiculous to be outraged about "Obama sent back the Churchill bust!"

121 jaunte  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:10:40pm

One bust to rule them all...

122 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:11:00pm
“Some Britons took offense when Winston Churchill’s bust was replaced with King’s,”

"King's?" MLK?

123 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:11:04pm

re: #103 Mattand

Lincoln is the one who started this mess in the first place.
//

124 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:11:11pm

re: #107 allegro

Well, I am relieved. Now that I know the complete story of the Churchill bust doubles I can sleep well tonight.

Which means that Mitt has to go to Istanbul in order to get back on the trail of the real Maltese Falcon Churchill bust! I'm sure Mr Cairo is still game as well.

125 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:11:14pm

re: #119 Kragar

I've got a 9 and 10 year old at home and have to be ready at a moment's notice.

Only a matter of time before they get the best of you.

126 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:11:25pm

re: #122 Bulworth

"King's?" MLK?

Yeah.

127 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:11:33pm

Wingnuts are real ball busters.

128 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:12:04pm

I especially like the thought of a Mormon looking forward to returning the bust of a man who used to put down several whiskies and cigars before lunchtime.

129 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:13:30pm

re: #128 Expand Your Ground

I especially like the thought of a Mormon looking forward to returning the bust of a man who used to put down several whiskies and cigars before lunchtime.

He also used to wear a lounge coat all the time, had parrots and would cry whenever he didn't get his way.

130 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:14:25pm

re: #125 Varek Raith

Only a matter of time before they get the best of you.

The 9 year old is already a master.

131 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:17:39pm
132 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:18:41pm

isn't this the point where sidney greenstreet gets out his pocket knife and cuts the churchill bust in an effort to figure out if it's the real one and peter lorre starts to cry and say "you eeejit!!"?

133 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:21:12pm
134 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:21:45pm

re: #129 Gus

And he painted pretty pictures.

Actually, he was a good painter. A talent from his mother's side (American family!)

135 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:23:14pm

re: #131 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Door to door salesman shot in FL, shooter tries to use stand your ground defense.

What happened next, he said, was horrifying.

“I went to bend over to help the guy on the ground, the victim, and out of the garage I heard something: ‘I’ll kill everybody or shoot everybody,’ Snyder said. "And he cocked his gun and thank God for the Collier County sheriff’s (deputy), she probably saved my life and everybody else’s life that was in the area,” Snyder said.

He said the deputy pulled her service weapon on Roop and ordered him twice to place his gun on the ground before he complied.

Snyder said Roop appeared dirty and disheveled.

“When he came out of the garage, he looked totally deranged to me,” he said. “He looked like he was off the deep end.”

He said Roop told the off-duty deputy, as well as the Cape officer who arrested him, the shooting was justified.

“He was telling the officer, ‘he stepped on my property, he trespassed, I’ll kill anybody that steps on my property,’ somewhere along them lines. It was just unbelievable,” Snyder said.

136 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:24:15pm

re: #135 dragonfire1981

Cold blooded bastard deserves to spend a long ass time if not the rest of his life behind bars. Sorry sir your paranoia does not justify murder.

137 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:24:18pm

re: #134 researchok

And he painted pretty pictures.

Actually, he was a good painter. A talent from his mother's side (American family!)

Now Hitler, there was a painter!

138 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:24:59pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Cold blooded bastard deserves to spend a long ass time if not the rest of his life behind bars. Sorry sir your paranoia does not justify murder.

Not sure "cold blooded" really applies here. "Plumb loco" perhaps.

139 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:25:27pm

re: #137 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Now Hitler, there was a painter!

He was a fabulous dancer too in the words of Franz Liebkind.

140 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:25:55pm

re: #136 HappyWarrior

Cold blooded bastard deserves to spend a long ass time if not the rest of his life behind bars. Sorry sir your paranoia does not justify murder.

Good grief, if you read the article comments there's already someone blaming Obama for it.

141 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:26:03pm

re: #138 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Not sure "cold blooded" really applies here. "Plumb loco" perhaps.

Story I read said he shot the guy while the guy was down. But fair enough.

142 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:26:42pm

re: #140 dragonfire1981

Good grief, if you read the article comments there's already someone blaming Obama for it.

I'm convinced there are people who will blame Obama for anything. Really the cottage industry of blaming Obama for everything is pathetic.

143 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:27:13pm

re: #142 HappyWarrior

I'm convinced there are people who will blame Obama for anything. Really the cottage industry of blaming Obama for everything is pathetic.

I wonder if I could retroactively blame Mitt for my being laid off a couple of jobs ago...

144 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:28:35pm

O/T sort of.
Can anyone recommend any books on Mormons. I've been reading some stuff, but I have no way to know if it's biased.
What I'm seeing, I don't like...at all.

145 steve_davis  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:28:44pm

re: #16 Kragar

IT IRREVOCABLY DAMAGED ANGLO-SAXON RELATIONS!
///

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

He probably would make some remark about the Colt's chances this year as well. ;)

Yes, I was rather thinking along the same lines. Something about the Indian economy would be doing better if they'd just get rid of the designated hitter in their league.

146 AK-47%  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:28:48pm

If the salesman had been properly armed, this would not have happened, right?

147 Mattand  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:30:05pm

re: #137 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Now Hitler, there was a painter!

You know who else liked to paint???

HITL...

Oh. Never mind.

148 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:30:41pm

re: #137 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Now Hitler, there was a painter!

The house painter.

149 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:31:47pm

re: #144 OhNoZombies!

O/T sort of.
Can anyone recommend any books on Mormons. I've been reading some stuff, but I have no way to know if it's biased.
What I'm seeing, I don't like...at all.

There is the, uh, Book of Mormon.

:)

150 Talking Point Detective  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:32:54pm

Sorry -

I used to respect Charles Krauthammer because even though he is partisan he wouldn’t twist objective facts.

Krauthammer, while a pretty smart dude, has always twisted facts.

151 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:33:28pm

re: #135 dragonfire1981

Yeah, that is a bit, well, just plain STUPID.

How could a person morally justify shooting a person that was not a threat --just because they crossed your property line?

REALLY?

152 Bulworth  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:34:36pm

re: #145 steve_davis

re: #44 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste


Yes, I was rather thinking along the same lines. Something about the Indian economy would be doing better if they'd just get rid of the designated hitter in their league.

Romney will wonder why India gave Obama it's electoral votes in 2008 but that Romney, being from a neighboring state, hopes to win them this year.

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:35:24pm

Churchill Busts?
Really?

Does more than 30% of the population even know who Churchill was and why there are busts of him?

154 brennant  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:35:25pm

I didn't know this was a great way to relieve pain in dogs.

155 brennant  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:36:19pm

re: #154 brennant

I didn't know this was a great way to relieve pain in dogs.

Dammit

156 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:36:40pm

re: #154 brennant

I didn't know this was a great way to relieve pain in dogs.

Yes, and easier on the stomach that previous pain relievers. My old girl (has passed over the Bridge) was on it for years. It really helped keep her moving and jumping onto the bed.

157 brennant  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:38:18pm

re: #156 ggt

Rgh. It was redirecting to that page

They have a product called RIMADOG. Seriously?

158 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:38:54pm

re: #157 brennant

Rgh. It was redirecting to that page

They have a product called RIMADOG. Seriously?

NO clue . . .

159 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:48:35pm

re: #153 ggt

Churchill Busts?
Really?

Does more than 30% of the population even know who Churchill was and why there are busts of him?

Famous cartoon character right? Cigar and always giving the peace sign*
* I know it's the V for victory sign.

160 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:50:41pm
161 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:52:35pm

re: #160 Gus

[Embedded content]

Romney will claim he's the most hostile president we've ever had to Israel anyway.

162 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:55:24pm

re: #157 brennant

Rgh. It was redirecting to that page

They have a product called RIMADOG. Seriously?

Join the RimaDog community!

Wait, what?

163 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:55:37pm

Romney in India: Hey, how are ya? Hey, how are ya?

164 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:57:21pm

re: #157 brennant

Rgh. It was redirecting to that page

They have a product called RIMADOG. Seriously?

Sounds like something that Mitt Romney could endorse.

165 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:57:35pm

Romney in China: "I'm not to sure about those dumplings...they look kinda funny...are you sure they don't have cat in them?"

166 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:59:37pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

Romney will claim he's the most hostile president we've ever had to Israel anyway.

Obama could order an air strike on Iran's nuclear facilities tomorrow and the wingnuts would still be complaining.

167 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 2:59:56pm

re: #166 Gus

Obama could order an air strike on Iran's nuclear facilities tomorrow and the wingnuts would still be complaining.

No doubt.

168 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:00:53pm
169 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:03:03pm

re: #168 Gus

[Embedded content]

@AidanBurleyMP
Conservative Member of Parliament for Cannock Chase

170 jaunte  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:06:41pm

re: #169 Gus

Not just conservative, but Anglo-Saxon!

"Burley: This notable surname is of Anglo-Saxon origin, and is locational from any of the various places so called, for example Burley in Derbyshire, Rutland, Shropshire and the West Riding of Yorkshire. The name in all cases, derives from the Olde English pre 7th Century "burg", a fort, and "leah", a clearing in a wood; hence, "the clearing by a fort".
[Link: www.surnamedb.com...]

171 brennant  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:06:49pm

re: #162 Charles Johnson

I should note that Gawker is where I found this.

But, still Rimadog? C'mon. Even if you try to pronounce it wrong it is still funny.

172 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:07:40pm

re: #166 Gus

Obama could order an air strike on Iran's nuclear facilities tomorrow and the wingnuts would still be complaining.

"Obama's failure to send in ground troops shows a lack of commitment to solving the problem once and for all."

///

173 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:08:15pm

re: #172 Kragar

"Obama's failure to send in ground troops shows a lack of commitment to solving the problem once and for all."

///

Yep. "That's all well in good but he did it wrong!!"

174 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:09:07pm

WTF is this horseshit?

175 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:09:43pm

re: #170 jaunte

Not just conservative, but Anglo-Saxon!

Yeah. Could you imagine that? Multiculturalism in an Olympic opening ceremony. And ironically the UK became multicultural in large part through their own colonialism.

176 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:10:35pm

re: #174 Kragar

WTF is this horseshit?

[Embedded content]

Because anti gay people are attacked all the time./// Barber needs to get over his sexual repression big time.

177 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:10:43pm

re: #175 Gus

Yeah. Could you imagine that? Multiculturalism in an Olympic opening ceremony. And ironically the UK became multicultural in large part through their own colonialism.

Its like every nation thinks they're equal at the Olympics or some silly shit like that.
///

178 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:11:37pm

re: #177 Kragar

Its like every nation thinks they're equal at the Olympics or some silly shit like that.
///

This was my response.

179 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:12:49pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

Because anti gay people are attacked all the time./// Barber needs to get over his sexual repression big time.

Because groups of homosexuals stalk, assault, and murder heterosexual people while screaming straight insults at them all the time.
///

180 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:14:36pm

re: #179 Kragar

Because groups of homosexuals stalk, assault, and murder heterosexual people while screaming straight insults at them all the time.
///

Happens every day.//

181 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:15:30pm
182 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:16:13pm

re: #171 brennant

I should note that Gawker is where I found this.

But, still Rimadog? C'mon. Even if you try to pronounce it wrong it is still funny.

Yes, you are right. This is enormously stupid.

Reminds me of basketball.

183 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:16:50pm

re: #181 Gus

On 11 December 2011 it was reported by The Mail on Sunday that he had attended a stag party at the French ski resort of Val Thorens which involved Nazi salutes and a toast "to Tom for organising the stag do, and if we’re perfectly honest, to the ideology and thought process of the Third Reich".[8]

184 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:18:02pm

re: #183 Fred Galt

Ouch. Wiki right?

185 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:19:25pm

re: #184 Gus

Yeah.

186 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:21:37pm
188 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:22:25pm

re: #149 ggt

Heh.

189 HappyWarrior  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:22:49pm

I read up on Burley. Sounds like a pleasant guy.//

190 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:23:35pm

Wait, there's more!

Cameron sacks 'foolish' MP who joined 'Hitler, Hitler, Hitler' stag party...as it is revealed that he was the one who hired groom's Nazi uniform

That constituency usually goes Labour. I think this guy is toast at the next General Election.

191 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:27:46pm

re: #189 HappyWarrior

I read up on Burley. Sounds like a pleasant guy.//

I think he's going to hear about this one.

192 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:29:32pm

He's trending in the UK.

193 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 3:34:15pm

This old Guardian story might throw some light on why the younger Conservatives are such radicals within the party:

David Cameron accused of being dishonest over links with 'Conservative madrasa'

David Cameron has been accused of being "completely dishonest" about his links to a controversial Conservative party affiliate whose leadership has described the NHS as the biggest waste of money in the UK, and suggested that the waterboarding of prisoners can be justified.

In an interview prior to the election campaign, the Tory leader denied all knowledge of the Young Britons' Foundation, which has been dubbed "the Conservative madrasa" because of its radical views and role in training young party activists, including some parliamentary candidates.

The Guardian has also obtained photographs of him meeting the organisation's director of strategy, vice-president, and then operations director before he denied knowledge of the group. Its director of research, Alex Deane, was formerly Cameron's chief of staff.

The YBF's leaders promote a version of free-market liberalism in line with the US neoconservative movement and some of its residential camps for young party activists involving visits to shooting ranges to fire sub-machine guns and assault rifles.

In an article on his own website, entitled "Scrap the NHS, not just targets", its chief executive, Donal Blaney, wrote: "Would it not now be better to say that the NHS – in its current incarnation – is finished?"

Its president is Daniel Hannan MEP, a staunch critic of the NHS, which Cameron has claimed is his top priority should he become prime minister.

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 5:03:55pm

re: #67 Gus

Oh I'm sure he will. Bibi and the rest of Likudniks will see to it.

I don't know about that. Netanyahu apparently doesn't remember his very special ancient friendship with Mitt, and issued a statement that basically boils down to, "Yeah, I know him, I guess we were friends or something."

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 5:05:48pm

re: #103 Mattand

Has anyone else noticed that the wingnuts/conservatives/Republicans are failing to mention that the bust that replaced Churchill's was Lincoln's, one of our greatest Presidents ever?

One of our greatest Republican Presidents ever, at that.

But the wingnuts are weirdly unkeen about Lincoln.

196 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 5:08:02pm

re: #105 RayFerd

That is something that has been bothering me too. Who is he getting this money from? Why the fuck would foreign interests be giving money to a US campaign? Who the fuck are these people (politicians) working for? You would think the Tea Party interests would be asking those questions. Has the Koch pulled out and the movement crumbled face down into the pillow? Was it just bullshit from the beginning?

I'm tired of asking questions. I am going to make a statement and it will be, "A Jack and Coke my good bartender!". L8R

I am assuming that the vast majority of people who will attend events/give money at least in England and Israel are probably Americans living abroad, because I know both of those countries have big expat communities who continue to follow U.S. politics. Poland, I have no clue.

It still looks weird, and I wouldn't be too surprised to learn he was fudging the rules.

197 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 5:15:08pm

The news in this country is total shit.

198 labman57  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:25:29pm

Yet another example of Romney's team and their lackeys in the media failing to do their homework prior to making public comments about historical events, international affairs, or the statements/actions of the POTUS. Much better to rely upon the delusional rumor mill of the right wing blogosphere and the bellicose blather of Limbaugh, Hannity, et al.

Conservative mantra: When in doubt, make crap up.

199 Randall Gross  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:30:58pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

Happy birthday from me!

Thanks! We had a great dinner.

200 [deleted]  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:19:34pm
201 miclaine  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:28:18pm

re: #200 ApolloSpeaks

THE TALE OF TWO BUSTS AND A LYING PRESIDENT, OR BUSTING THE CHURCHILL BUST LIE

Once again we are hearing the story which outraged many of us in 2009 about Obama banishing Winston Churchill's bust (a gift of Tony Blair to George Bush) from the Oval Office and White House. What many don't know is that when it blew up into a controversy and made Obama look undiplomatically anti-Churchillian the White House responded by saying that the Churchill bust was replaced by a bust of Abraham Lincoln-meaning that Obama replaced the one with the other not because of any ill-will or antipathy toward Churchill (the last of the great British imperialists and savior of England), but out of love for Lincoln one of his favorite presidents "from whom he could draw inspiration in difficult times." But why couldn't he have both? Surely there's more than enough room in the Oval Office for the two ? Truth is he couldn't stand the sight of Churchill. Truth is he hates the man and didn't want to see his image in his office. But it gets worse. I did a little digging and discovered that the story of replacing one bust with the other was completely bogus-another whopping Obama lie. Obama didn't replace the Churchill with a Lincoln. Far from it. Both busts were already decorating the Oval Office when Obama arrived at the White House, put there by George W. Bush, a great admirer of both men. The little weasel simply banished the Churchill bust and kept the Lincoln.

Google "In the George W. Bush Oval Office: Makeover and Decor " and read the truth for yourself.

not sure I agree with your assessment. its just too contrived.

202 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:30:42pm

re: #200 ApolloSpeaks

Derp? Derpy derp! Derpitty derpiddy derp.

Derp derp,
Derp

203 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:36:19pm

re: #200 ApolloSpeaks

THE TALE OF TWO BUSTS AND A LYING PRESIDENT, OR BUSTING THE CHURCHILL BUST LIE

Once again we are hearing the story which outraged many of us in 2009 about Obama banishing Winston Churchill's bust (a gift of Tony Blair to George Bush) from the Oval Office and White House. What many don't know is that when it blew up into a controversy and made Obama look undiplomatically anti-Churchillian the White House responded by saying that the Churchill bust was replaced by a bust of Abraham Lincoln-meaning that Obama replaced the one with the other not because of any ill-will or antipathy toward Churchill (the last of the great British imperialists and savior of England), but out of love for Lincoln one of his favorite presidents "from whom he could draw inspiration in difficult times." But why couldn't he have both? Surely there's more than enough room in the Oval Office for the two ? Truth is he couldn't stand the sight of Churchill. Truth is he hates the man and didn't want to see his image in his office. But it gets worse. I did a little digging and discovered that the story of replacing one bust with the other was completely bogus-another whopping Obama lie. Obama didn't replace the Churchill with a Lincoln. Far from it. Both busts were already decorating the Oval Office when Obama arrived at the White House, put there by George W. Bush, a great admirer of both men. The little weasel simply banished the Churchill bust and kept the Lincoln.

Google "In the George W. Bush Oval Office: Makeover and Decor " and read the truth for yourself.

Fixed.

204 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:36:46pm

re: #200 ApolloSpeaks

Wonder what I should use here: a "Your Mom" joke or a "That's dumber than x" joke? Or how about "Did you just take your emaciated brain out of that helmet so it can vomit directly on the keyboard and cut out the middle man?"

That only deserves vigorous and relentless mocking.

205 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:39:51pm

APOLLO SPEAKS, PUNY MORTALS!

206 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:45:16pm

Here's "Apollo Speaks" praising Michelle Bachmann:

MICHELE BACHMANN, HUMA ABEDIN AND THE SLAUGHTER IN BULGARIA
Posted by ApolloSpeaks on Friday, July 20, 2012 11:23:08 AM

Michele Bachmann, the greatest living US Congresswoman, is being completely patriotic and rational in calling for the investigation of Huma Abedin for possible espionage due to her Islamist family roots. Republicans who condemn her should be ashamed of themselves.

Is this mere coincidence? Or is it Providence mysteriously at work indicating the truth? The story of Michele Bachmann's "McCarthyite persecution" of "good, loyal Moslem American" Huma Mahmood Abedin, whose mother is a member (and possibly a founder) of the Moslem Sisterhood (an offshoot of the Moslem Brotherhood), and is top aide to Hillary Clinton, ominously exploded on the scene on July 18 the very day of the deadly Moslem suicide bombing of 7 innocent Israeli tourists on a bus in Bulgaria. The crime (an act of Islamic jihad against Jews) was committed by Mehdi Ghezali, a former Gitmo detainee and citizen of Sweden on the 18th anniversary of the Iranian backed Hezbollah bombing of a Jewish synagogue in Buenos Aires which killed 85. Reports say that Ghezali is age 36, the same age as Huma Abedin (b. 1976), and that he was carrying a fake Michigan driver's licence, the state where Huma Abedin was born. Moreover, the Buenos Aires attack occurred just two days short of 18 months into the soft-on-terror Clinton Administration* in 1994, the year that Ghezali and Abedin** turned 18.

*January 20, 1993 (Clinton's Inauguration) to July 18, 1994 (Iranian bombing in Buenos Aires) = 1 year, 5 months and 28 days = two days short of 18 months.

*Abedin became an intern at the Clinton White House two years later.

Now I'm not insinuating that there's an operational link between the Moslem supremacist Jew hating killer Ghezali and Abedin (described as a "devout Moslem" and married to the disgraced Jewish ex-Congressman Anthony Weiner). But these amazing coincidences of dates, numbers, age and location (Michigan) could be warning signs that Michele Bachman is on to something huge. That Huma Abedin, a Moslem supremacist like Ghezali (most "devout" Moslems are supremacists), with family members tied to Hamas and the subversive, anti-Western, totalitarian Moslem Brotherhood, is an enemy of the United States. A highly placed enemy within. A Moslem Alger Hiss*. It's not farfetched. Just as the terrorist Ghezali successfully stole his way onto a bus filled with Jews and killed and injured many it is likely that Huma Abedin is a stealth Jihadist who (married to a Jew for deep cover) stole her way into the affections and confidence of Hillary and Bill Clinton and is now betraying and injuring her country at State.

* Alger Hiss died in 1996 the year Huma Abedin began her internship with the Clinton Administration (see).

See

Huma Abedin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Bulgarian press names jihad/martyrdom bomber: Mehdi Ghezali, "Swedish citizen with a history of Muslim extremist activities" -

Huma Abedin’s Mother and an Islamist Agenda | FrontPage Magazine

The Dark Muslim Brotherhood World of Huma Abedin | FrontPage Magazine This piece in part explains why Huma Abedin's marriage to the Jew Anthony Weiner was tolerated by her Islamist/fundamentalist mother, brother and the Moslem Brotherhood.

207 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:47:37pm

ApolloWearsACrashHelmetInTheHouse

208 General Nimrod Bodfish  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:53:12pm

re: #207 Mocking Jay

ApolloWearsACrashHelmetInTheHouse

Apollo's house is also designed to minimize the number of sharp corners, and what corners there are, there's several feet of padding. There's so much protection in his house the words "conception", "pregnancy", "impregnation" and "fertilization" disappear from any dictionary that enters the house.

209 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:03:06pm

re: #200 ApolloSpeaks

TH TL F TW BSTS ND LNG PRSDNT, R BSTNG TH CHRCHLL BST L

nc gn w r hrng th str whch trgd mn f s n 2009 bt bm bnshng Wnstn Chrchll's bst ( gft f Tn Blr t Grg Bsh) frm th vl ffc nd Wht Hs. Wht mn dn't knw s tht whn t blw p nt cntrvrs nd md bm lk ndplmtcll nt-Chrchlln th Wht Hs rspndd b sng tht th Chrchll bst ws rplcd b bst f brhm Lncln-mnng tht bm rplcd th n wth th thr nt bcs f n ll-wll r ntpth twrd Chrchll (th lst f th grt Brtsh mprlsts nd svr f nglnd), bt t f lv fr Lncln n f hs fvrt prsdnts "frm whm h cld drw nsprtn n dffclt tms." Bt wh cldn't h hv bth? Srl thr's mr thn ngh rm n th vl ffc fr th tw ? Trth s h cldn't stnd th sght f Chrchll. Trth s h hts th mn nd ddn't wnt t s hs mg n hs ffc. Bt t gts wrs. dd lttl dggng nd dscvrd tht th str f rplcng n bst wth th thr ws cmpltl bgs-nthr whppng bm l. bm ddn't rplc th Chrchll wth Lncln. Fr frm t. Bth bsts wr lrd dcrtng th vl ffc whn bm rrvd t th Wht Hs, pt thr b Grg W. Bsh, grt dmrr f bth mn. Th lttl wsl smpl bnshd th Chrchll bst nd kpt th Lncln.

Ggl "n th Grg W. Bsh vl ffc: Mkvr nd Dcr " nd rd th trth fr rslf.

What?

210 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:13:33pm

re: #200 ApolloSpeaks

You are a liar.
Have a nice day.

211 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:26:56pm

Stalker said what?

212 Randall Gross  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 3:40:31am

Wow our first Churchill troofer.

213 labman57  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:32:50am

The issue is whether the bust was returned as an act of disrespect to Britain and Churchill's memory, as Romney and the right wing blogosphere has alleged.

In fact, no. It was ON LOAN to the Bush Administration, with the explicit understanding that it would be returned at the end of his term ... which is exactly what happened.

Had the Obama Administration failed to send the bust back to the UK when he took office, these same self-serving conservative pundits and politicians would no doubt indignantly wag their fingers and proclaim that Obama was a thief for keeping the loaned Churchill bust.

214 William of Orange  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:24:39am

Unbelievable that the wingnuts choose a former British statesman over Lincoln. (a Republican president no less!)

215 William of Orange  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:49:39am

The Monica Crowley tweet, was that a lie?

You can say what you want but Winston is not in the Oval Office. Two different things. It's a misconception (and indeed misinformation) that the bust was returned to the British ambassay, it did left the Oval Office.

216 mgardener  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 3:16:49pm

I wonder how the administration feels every time a lie is told about it.
Must be frustrating.

217 MPH  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:28:58pm

re: #216 mgardener

I wonder how the administration feels every time a lie is told about it.
Must be frustrating.

Oh, I don't know. If I knew had a monopoly on the truth, I'd feel pretty damned good about myself, regardless of what anyone else said.


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