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From the Internet Center for the Unrelenting Study of Baby Animal Cuteness, Zooborns: Orphan Walrus Comforted at Alaska SeaLife Center.

his past Saturday, local fisherman spotted an orphan Pacific Walrus calf on floating ice near Barrow, Alaska. After a period of observation from U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, a rescue was approved and Alaska SeaLife Center staff and a local veterinarian prepared the 200lb. baby for airlift to Anchorage and transport by modified truck to ASLC in Seward. 

The calf is suckling readily from a bottle, feeding every three hours around the clock, and consuming nearly 1,400 calories at each feed. He is actively seeking attention from care-givers, and vocalizing when left alone. “Walrus are incredibly tactile, social animals,” said Stranding Coordinator Tim Lebling.  “Walrus calves typically spend about two years with their mothers, so we have to step in to provide that substitute care and companionship.”  Walrus calves almost immediately habituate to human care and therefore are not candidates for release following rehabilitation.

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290 comments
1 dragonfire1981  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 5:57:07pm

You better watch out for those Chik-Fil-A cows, they may be packing:

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2 bratwurst  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:04:58pm

Anyone else watching the Olympics opening ceremonies?

3 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:06:39pm

LOL!!!
My 8 year old just jumped up and started singing Bohemian Rhapsody!

4 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:23:50pm

New Jaguar ad using AWOL Nation's "Sail". Not bad for a guy who barely had a band.
I love the Parade Of Nations with all my heart.

5 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:27:01pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Anyone else watching the Olympics opening ceremonies?

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Naw, I'll wait till it's released on DVD.

6 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:28:38pm

1988 Paul Hunt gymnastics comedy beam routine

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7 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:35:45pm

re: #5 b_sharp

Naw, I'll wait till it's released on DVD.

They never do that, you have to watch now.

8 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:35:56pm

koo koo ka choo

9 Cheechako  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:39:47pm
Anyone else watching the Olympics opening ceremonies?

When does the curling event begin?

10 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:39:53pm

re: #8 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

koo koo ka choo

Hope you are well.

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:42:28pm

re: #2 bratwurst

Anyone else watching the Olympics opening ceremonies?

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Not on the west coast...

12 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:42:41pm

re: #9 Cheechako

When does the curling event begin?

That is the winter games

13 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:42:48pm

Too bad NBC has the Olympics for the next million years...

14 Cheechako  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:43:34pm

re: #12 Kragar

That is the winter games

O.K. I'll wait.

15 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:44:20pm

re: #13 Fred Galt

Too bad NBC has the Olympics for the next million years...

Before Bob joined in, this younger guy is an idiot.

16 jaunte  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:44:25pm

re: #2 bratwurst

17 steve_davis  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:47:50pm

re: #9 Cheechako

I made it through about ten minutes of it. I saw the smokestacks go up. Then I just got even more bored than I'd already been. For heaven's sake, is it not possible to just have the athletes come in and walk around the track waving their flags? Happy to see Kenneth Branaugh is still alive.

18 danarchy  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:51:59pm

re: #17 steve_davis

I made it through about ten minutes of it. I saw the smokestacks go up. Then I just got even more bored than I'd already been. For heaven's sake, is it not possible to just have the athletes come in and walk around the track waving their flags? Happy to see Kenneth Branaugh is still alive.

Has the same problem action movie sequels always have. They try to outdo the previous one and it becomes bigger and more elaborate and usually stupider.

19 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 6:56:44pm

re: #18 danarchy

I thought it was quite British.

20 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:03:57pm

re: #16 jaunte

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Speed DERP! 3: Terminal Verbiage

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21 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:04:09pm

re: #19 prairiefire

I thought it was quite British.

The outfits reminded me of the costumes the characters wear in the British "Going Postal" Miniseries based on the Terry Pratchett book of the same name, make of that what you will....

22 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:10:31pm

Look, they're trying to distract the media from Mitt's utter failure overseas. Thats cute.

Romney VP Vetter Hints At Potential Picks On Twitter

"LOOK! A HUGE DISTRACTING THING!"

23 steve_davis  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:10:31pm

re: #21 jamesfirecat

I wonder if Romney had a kind of uncomfortable moment when he realized he was one of the vulture capitalists in the stove-pipe hats, and not one of the people doing actual work in the industrial age.....

24 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:14:07pm

re: #23 steve_davis

I wonder if Romney had a kind of uncomfortable moment when he realized he was one of the vulture capitalists in the stove-pipe hats, and not one of the people doing actual work in the industrial age...

I don't think I'd call Andrew Carnegie or John D. Rockefeller "vultures". Even when they were exploitative, they were still working to build and grow their businesses, not profit off of decline. Thus the term 'vulture' is inappropriate.

25 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:15:07pm

re: #23 steve_davis

You are skipping the Morman commune in Mexico.

26 jamesfirecat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:15:16pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I don't think I'd call Andrew Carnegie or John D. Rockefeller "vultures". Even when they were exploitative, they were still working to build and grow their businesses, not profit off of decline. Thus the term 'vulture' is inappropriate.

Yes why call them Vulture Capitalists when "Robber Barons" is right there waiting to be used instead?

27 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:16:35pm

re: #22 Kragar

Look, they're trying to distract the media from Mitt's utter failure overseas. Thats cute.

Romney VP Vetter Hints At Potential Picks On Twitter

"LOOK! A HUGE DISTRACTING THING!"

Reminds me of when Condi was Drudge's headline a couple of weeks ago.

28 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:20:56pm

re: #26 jamesfirecat

Yes why call them Vulture Capitalists when "Robber Barons" is right there waiting to be used instead?

That doesn't really fit, either, truth to tell. The term "robber barons" originated in Germany in the late Middle Ages, and referred to minor nobles who made their money by controlling a key passage, such a bridge over a deep river, or a mountain pass. Any commoner wishing to pass through was charged heavily by the noble for the privilege. Such nobles simply took without contributing or adding to the wealth of their area. Andrew Carnegie, by sharp contrast, not only built up America's steel industry, but also endowed thousands of libraries, some of which are still in use today. Unlike a robber baron, Carnegie greatly increased the wealth of his adopted nation, in more ways than one.

29 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:22:27pm

re: #24 Dark_Falcon

I don't think I'd call Andrew Carnegie or John D. Rockefeller "vultures". Even when they were exploitative, they were still working to build and grow their businesses, not profit off of decline. Thus the term 'vulture' is inappropriate.

the story about carnegie that i remember most vividly was when somebody came along with a more efficient steel making process. carnegie's company began to distribute flyers warning his customers vaguely about new steel making processes, just in general you know, about how one should be aware that if steel isn't made properly it could have flaws. not mentioning any new processes by name or anything, just kind of darkly hinting

as intended, he ran the new company out of business

and then started using their new steel making process

...but aside from that kind of stuff (coughhomesteadcough), he was certainly a great philanthropist

30 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:24:40pm

rockefeller i know less about, although i think in his early days he wasn't anybody to screw around with. the peculiar thing that happened to him was that all of his hair fell out when he was about middle aged. kind of took the ginger out of him

he made a very nice old rich man, wandering around handing out dimes...

31 Interesting Times  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:24:43pm

Wow, we haven't had weapons-grade dead-thread DERP this good in a long time.

32 steve_davis  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:27:24pm

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

That doesn't really fit, either, truth to tell. The term "robber barons" originated in Germany in the late Middle Ages, and referred to minor nobles who made their money by controlling a key passage, such a bridge over a deep river, or a mountain pass. Any commoner wishing to pass through was charged heavily by the noble for the privilege. Such nobles simply took without contributing or adding to the wealth of their area. Andrew Carnegie, by sharp contrast, not only built up America's steel industry, but also endowed thousands of libraries, some of which are still in use today. Unlike a robber baron, Carnegie greatly increased the wealth of his adopted nation, in more ways than one.

The reason it got applied to Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, et al is because they effectively divvied up the railroads and drove competition out of business by charging exorbitant rail rates. And didn't dear old Cornelius make a fortune selling guns he knew to be defective to the Union? They weren't Robber Barons. Barons are pretty low on the totem pole. They were Robber Kings.

33 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:30:39pm

re: #29 engineer cat

the story about carnegie that i remember most vividly was when somebody came along with a more efficient steel making process. carnegie's company began to distribute flyers warning his customers vaguely about new steel making processes, just in general you know, about how one should be aware that if steel isn't made properly it could have flaws. not mentioning any new processes by name or anything, just kind of darkly hinting

as intended, he ran the new company out of business

and then started using their new steel making process

...but aside from that kind of stuff (coughhomesteadcough), he was certainly a great philanthropist

I'm from west palm beach and a story/tale I'll never forget: the island of palm beach was inhabited by black folks. One of these robber barons concocted a huge fair on the mainland. While everyone was having fun over there, they burned their town down and claimed Palm Beach for the rich. Assholes then, assholes without care now.

34 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:34:02pm

re: #30 engineer cat

rockefeller i know less about, although i think in his early days he wasn't anybody to screw around with. the peculiar thing that happened to him was that all of his hair fell out when he was about middle aged. kind of took the ginger out of him

he made a very nice old rich man, wandering around handing out dimes...

His last hurrah, announcing he and his eldest son were buying stock to try to quell the 1929 stock market crash, was both quixotic and laudable. It was almost hopelessly old-fashioned to think that a pair of rich men could turn the situation on Wall Street around, but what was laudable was his instinct to try to calm panic by taking the lead. He lost a lot of money in so doing, but on this God was kind to J.D. Rockefeller: By the time of his death in the 30's he made made 90% of his investments' money back, and thus was able to give that to his heirs.

A upshot of that was that the Rockefeller family stayed influential. David Rockefeller later co-founded the Bilderberg Group of talk-shop conferences that so vex conspiracists. And today John D. Rockefeller IV (who goes by 'Jay') is a United States Senator (D,WV).

35 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:36:03pm

re: #32 steve_davis

The reason it got applied to Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, et al is because they effectively divvied up the railroads and drove competition out of business by charging exorbitant rail rates. And didn't dear old Cornelius make a fortune selling guns he knew to be defective to the Union? They weren't Robber Barons. Barons are pretty low on the totem pole. They were Robber Kings.

yes - the techniques in the gilded age (and i'd have to mention that bill gates could be quite "gilded" as well) ran to unfair competitive practices. one of my favorites, and i think still used today, i heard about in regard to patterson of the old national cash register company when it was big in the years before WWI. they would set up dummy companies that would lose money undercutting the prices of any competitors that dare to come along, and drive them out of business. it was always worth losing a little money in the short run to have the business all to yourself in the long run

the watson who went on to run ibm for forty years was one of patterson's brightest students

36 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:40:35pm

Do you realize?

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37 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:41:06pm

nobody's made a movie about the homestead strike as far as i know, although there's a fantastic movie about the matewan strike that was part of the story at the very beginning before the main action

the dramatic parts of homestead involve scenes like anarchist alexander berkman (emma goldman's boyfriend) bursting into frick's office and shooting him. and frick, badly wounded but not fatally, stoically carrying on

carnagie took a lot of criticism at the time for keeping well away from the action and playing golf in scotland while frick was in the line of fire

38 allegro  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:41:26pm

re: #35 engineer cat

yes - the techniques in the gilded age (and i'd have to mention that bill gates could be quite "gilded" as well) ran to unfair competitive practices. one of my favorites, and i think still used today, i heard about in regard to patterson of the old national cash register company when it was big in the years before WWI. they would set up dummy companies that would lose money undercutting the prices of any competitors that dare to come along, and drive them out of business. it was always worth losing a little money in the short run to have the business all to yourself in the long run

the watson who went on to run ibm for forty years was one of patterson's brightest students

It's absolutely still being done. See walMart.

39 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:42:11pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

Wow, we haven't had weapons-grade dead-thread DERP this good in a long time.

This is the title and main body of a piece by "Apollo Speaks" from townhall.com:

WHY HUMA ABEDIN'S UNISLAMIC MARRIAGE TO JEW ANTHONY WEINER WAS TOLERATED BY THE BROTHERHOOD
Posted by ApolloSpeaks on Saturday, July 21, 2012 10:58:59 AM

[Link: t3.gstatic.com...]

Moslem woman reads from the intolerant, divisive, misogynist, warmongering Koran, a book that condemns her to punishment or death for dating or marrying nonMoslem men.

Hazzi commenting on yesterday's blog writes:

"Apollo Apollo Apollo

How could Abedin be a "devout Muslim" when she married the Jew Anthony Weiner? A Muslim [woman] marrying a nonMuslim is against Sharia law. [How can] a devout Muslim [be] a Muslim lawbreaker? No way. "

nanna3 writes in reply:
"Hazzi
As I understand it, a Muslim can break a religious law any time it is for the good of Islam. They do it every day!! No excuses. You know it is true!"

My comment:

Nanna understands right: If breaking a law, even Islamic law, is good for Islam then it is allowed. While it is illegal and criminal in Islam for Moslem women to marry or date non-Moslem men (honor killings abound here), exceptions are tolerated if and only if the union can advance the global aims of imperial Islam. In fact, when it comes to advancing Islam anything goes: all morality, decency, honor and humanity are suspended as Islam in its essence and core is jihad: immorality, lawlessness, deception and war in pursuit of absolute power. And such is the case with Abedin's marriage to Anthony Weiner a union blessed by Abedin's Islamist mother and brother, and uncondemned (the silence was deafening) by any cleric of the intolerant Moslem Brotherhood. Why? Why with all the Sharia inspired parental murders of young Moslem girls for dating infidels was so public a union tolerated by the Brotherhood? Because with Abiden as Hillary Clinton's top aide it serves their evil ends in providing deep cover for one of their most treasured operatives.

Clicking the link will take you to the photo the caption refers to, and to a much better page than that bit of bigotry "Asshole DERPs" spewed out.

40 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:45:54pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Do you realize?

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Needing is one thing...

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41 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:45:56pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

"apollo speaks" speaks racism trash talk quite fluently

42 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:50:09pm

re: #41 engineer cat

"apollo speaks" speaks racism trash talk quite fluently

I think its "A pollo speaks", as in a chicken

43 researchok  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:51:52pm

Rowan Atkinson at his best.

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44 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:52:20pm

...of course the main action at homestead was the horrifying violence where carnagie and frick sicced an army of pinkertons on the strikers. decades later supposedly respectable companies were still doing this, as with the ford company beating the crap out of walter reuther, altho old man ford claimed not to have approved

thank god at least we don't see this level of physical violence from companies too much more recently - these days they just content themselves with ruining people's lives and health and suchlike...

45 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:53:48pm

re: #41 engineer cat

"apollo speaks" speaks racism trash talk quite fluently

More religious bigotry in this post. It makes clear he (if this writer was a woman, she'd use "Artemis Speaks") is bigoted against Muslims, but that is not racism, instead being religious prejudice. It is just as bad though, and I do not wish to minimize it in any way.

46 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 7:54:31pm

re: #43 researchok

Rowan Atkinson at his best.

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Long, but so worth it

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47 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:02:58pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

More religious bigotry in this post. It makes clear he (if this writer was a woman, she'd use "Artemis Speaks") is bigoted against Muslims, but that is not racism, instead being religious prejudice. It is just as bad though, and I do not wish to minimize it in any way.

well, it was the truly nazi-like phrase "jew anthony weiner" (it pains me even to quote it) that first jumped out at me

there was an american muslim woman i knew years ago - a californian by birth and not a religiously conservative sort, she kept ramadan and was a believer - who i might have married, sometimes i think about it. the thought of myself, being jewish, living up close with the muslim/jewish tensions for the rest of my life kind of put me off

sometimes i regret the choice, though...

48 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:09:10pm

Some island country is now up.
/Romney

49 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:10:35pm

Ah,they're entering to Heroes

50 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:11:58pm

NBC, you suck.

51 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:12:00pm

Asshole.

52 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:13:28pm

re: #51 Gus

Asshole.

And a Bachmann fan. I honestly don't know which is worse.

53 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:14:07pm

re: #31 Interesting Times

Wow, we haven't had weapons-grade dead-thread DERP this good in a long time.

Check out the images on his website...

Apparently he's also a regular at Jihad Watch and other hate blogs.

54 andres  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:16:02pm

re: #52 Dark_Falcon

re: #51 Gus

Asshole.

And a Bachmann fan. I honestly don't know which is worse.

Bachmann fan. Being an Asshole, while regrettable, it's part of his family.

//

55 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:17:32pm

Prince William looked like he would rather be in a helicopter than sitting behind the Prime Minister.

56 sagehen  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:19:44pm

And that wasn't one of Kate's better outfits, either. Generic dress, no hat, what's up with that?

58 andres  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:22:21pm

BTW, cute walrus. :-)

59 Blizard  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:26:34pm

Orphaned baby walrus. I wish to hug him.

60 Blizard  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:27:09pm

re: #58 andres


I was just thinking "what about the walrus?"...

GMTA

61 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:27:27pm

Asshole went bye-bye. Awesome.

62 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:28:42pm

re: #61 Gus

Asshole went bye-bye. Awesome.

I'll get the charcoal lit. Those new to LGf are in for a treat: It's time for a Friday Night Troll-B-Q!

63 danarchy  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:29:00pm

You'd think they could match the camera work to the names they are announcing...

64 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:32:57pm

re: #62 Dark_Falcon

I'll get the charcoal lit. Those new to LGf are in for a treat: It's time for a Friday Night Troll-B-Q!

Seriously. That website of his is insane. How can people stand being that way every day of the week.

65 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:33:14pm

re: #61 Gus

Another totally insane right wing loon heard from.

66 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:34:47pm

Seriously NBC?
Lame.

67 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:34:59pm

re: #64 Gus

Seriously. That website of his is insane. How can people stand being that way every day of the week.

I don't know. It's no way I want to live, I'll tell you that.

68 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:35:57pm

re: #64 Gus

Seriously. That website of his is insane. How can people stand being that way every day of the week.

Alternate Reply: Forget it, Gus. It's Townhall.com.

69 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:36:34pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

Another totally insane right wing loon heard from.

For sure. Especially the part about Obama hating Churchill. Seriously? Then why would he still have a bust in the White House? He wrote that as though Obama knew Churchill and hated him. So let's see. Obama hates Churchill but the Churchill bust when it was returned was placed in Obama's residence. That's not a sign of Obama hating Churchill.

70 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:37:31pm

re: #68 Dark_Falcon

Alternate Reply: Forget it, Gus. It's Townhall.com.

Yeah. Obama hates Churchill so much that he had the bust placed in his residence. Wow. Where do these people come up with these things?

71 jaunte  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:45:07pm
72 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:45:45pm

Pink flipping Floyd.

73 Amory Blaine  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:46:49pm

Dark Side of the Moon Eclipse at the Olympics. Awesome.

74 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 8:57:10pm

re: #69 Gus

I don't understand how they get this way. Poor diet? Lack of sleep? Vitamin D deficiency? Too much crack?

Seriously. So much of the right is simply deranged and full of incoherent rage these days, it's disturbing.

75 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:00:30pm
I don't understand how they get this way. Poor diet? Lack of sleep? Vitamin D deficiency? Too much crack?

Too much media has a lot to do with it, left and right both.

Oh well, It makes the Queen look really good.

Good night all.

76 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:01:13pm

I rather liked the opening to these games.

77 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:02:00pm

Racism is alive and well in the Mississippi Christian community.

Black wedding banned by Baptist church

CRYSTAL SPRINGS, MS (WLBT) -

It was to be their big day, but a Jackson couple says the church where they were planning to wed turned them away because of their race.

Now, the couple wants answers, and the church's pastor is questioning the mindset of some of members of his congregation who caused the problem in the first place.

They had set the date and printed and mailed out all the invitations, but the day before wedding bells were to ring for Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson, they say they got some bad news from the pastor.

"The church congregation had decided no black could be married at that church, and that if he went on to marry her, then they would vote him out the church," said Charles Wilson.

The Wilsons were trying to get married at the predominantly white First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs -- a church they attend regularly, but are not members of.

78 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:02:10pm

re: #74 Charles Johnson

I don't understand how they get this way. Poor diet? Lack of sleep? Vitamin D deficiency? Too much crack?

Seriously. So much of the right is simply deranged and full of incoherent rage these days, it's disturbing.

This one is way out there. This is from his website:

...

THE DEATH OF ALEX OKRENT

Now yesterday, the 8th Friday the 13th of Obama's disastrous presidency,
tragedy struck the Obama campaign as the president was campaigning in Virginia-one of the original 13 States with 13 electoral votes which Obama believes is "key" to his reelection (see). Alex Okrent, a verteran staffer at Obama's Chicago headquarters, collapsed and died while at work on the campaign. Reports say that Okrent had been with Obama for 8 years (since 2004) and that he died at the young age of 29 (see). Ominously, yesterday was 116 days to election day giving us the date of 11-6 the day of the election. As for Alex Okrent his name has a numeric value of 44 corresponding to Obama's presidency number, hence:

ALEX OKRENT
1356 629552 = 44*

...

79 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:03:27pm

re: #78 Gus

This one is way out there. This is from his website:

Another...

...Now watch this:

July 6th was George Bush's 66th birthday. Multiply 66 by 30x and we get 1980, the year of Ronald Reagan's victory over Jimmy Carter. Then multiply 66 by 297x and we get 19602 giving us the year JFK won the presidency. Auspicious signs for Romney.

But you are hoping that the 2012 election will be a repeat of 2004 where the candidate from Massachusetts will be defeated and Romney prevented from becoming our 45th President. The signs, however, suggest otherwise. Here's what I mean:

George Bush was born July 6, 1946 249 days prior to Romney's birth on March 12, 1947. Amazingly, when we multiply 249 by 805 it generates the six digit number 2004-45 perhaps indicating that Ohio's role in winning the 2004 presidential race ...

80 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:04:44pm

Numerology weirdo.

81 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:06:34pm

re: #80 Gus

Numerology weirdo.

...Benjamin Harrison was the 23rd President. Now just as 1888 and 1980 were the only two times in US history that a Republican defeated an incumbent Democrat president the number 23 is a factor of two five digit numbers that give us the years 1888 and 1980, hence:

23x821 = 18883
23x861 = 19803

Moreover, just as this year's election, like in 1888, will fall on November 6th the number 23 is a factor in two other five digit numbers that give us 11-06-2012, the complete date of this year's election, hence:

23x481 = 11063
23x875 = 20125...

82 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:07:04pm

This latest reincarnated outrage over Obama being, get this, ANTI-COLONIALIST!! is surfacing every. It's at the top of WND's home page:

'YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT': ANTI-COLONIALIST RAGE?

Dinesh D’Souza, a former policy adviser to President Reagan and the director of a controversial new film about Barack Obama’s past, told WND he believes the roots of the current president’s infamous “you didn’t build that” speech go back to Kenya and the anti-colonialism seeded in his worldview.

[...]

GASP!!

As I tweeted Weigel earlier, in response to his brief review of D'Souza's latest video, all one has to do is stop at "Dinesh D'Souza" to get the gist of whatever is in that video.

83 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:08:16pm

re: #80 Gus

Timecube wannabe.

84 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:09:08pm

1+1=1 on a bun.
-Ed

85 Mocking Jay  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:09:31pm

re: #82 freetoken

Our hallowed Founding Fathers would've hated that anti-colonialist worldview.

86 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:11:39pm

OMFG NUMBERS HAVE PATTERNS!111!!!
/dipshit

87 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:15:40pm

re: #86 Varek Raith

OMFG NUMBERS HAVE PATTERNS!111!!!
/dipshit

Amazing

88 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:17:40pm

re: #82 freetoken

This latest reincarnated outrage over Obama being, get this, ANTI-COLONIALIST!! is surfacing every. It's at the top of WND's home page:

'YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT': ANTI-COLONIALIST RAGE?

GASP!!

As I tweeted Weigel earlier, in response to his brief review of D'Souza's latest video, all one has to do is stop at "Dinesh D'Souza" to get the gist of whatever is in that video.

I see plenty of rage aimed at Barack Obama from Joseph Farrah and Dinesh D’Souza, but I don't see a lot of rage from Obama. I just see a left-liberal, not some angry man.

I wonder: Does the tension seen at times in Kenya and South Africa between Indian immigrants and the local Africa populations cloud D’Souza's perception? He might see Obama through a hostile ethnic lens of his own.

89 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:20:30pm

re: #87 Kragar

Amazing

Diophantus cared.

90 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:22:15pm

He's not going down without a fight:

Ron Paul campaign to challenge all Louisiana delegates

RON PAUL!!

91 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:23:47pm

re: #88 Dark_Falcon

I wonder: Does the tension seen at times in Kenya and South Africa between Indian immigrants and the local Africa populations cloud D’Souza's perception?

Who knows what drives him.

92 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:24:57pm

Being against colonization is basically a philosophical position in this day and age.

93 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:28:02pm

re: #92 Gus

Being against colonization is basically a philosophical position in this day and age.

I think it's anti-colonialism as practiced in Kenya that angers Dinesh D’Souza. I doubt he would say unkind words about Indian anti-colonialism.

94 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:31:40pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

I think it's anti-colonialism as practiced in Kenya that angers Dinesh D’Souza. I doubt he would say unkind words about Indian anti-colonialism.

Well that's the thing too. Being pro or anti colonialist is relative. It depends on whose side you're on. There were also different spectrum of colonialism as practiced by different nations. For instance the British tended to be more humane with the American Indians as opposed to their Spanish counterpart in South America. A lot of people were killed under the flag of colonialism. There's also a bit of a conundrum with the United States since our revolution was in fact a struggle against British colonialism.

95 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:32:41pm

What?! The Catholic Church is going to allow contraceptives?

Honduras: Contraceptive may be handed out at Catholic church...to pigeons

There's a legal battle brewing in Tegucigalpa between the Catholic Diocese and pigeon lovers from La Casa de Noé.

The historic cathedral in Tegucigalpa was renovated in 2009. At that time the Honduran Institute of Anthropology and History (IHAH), as part of its mission to protect the national patrimony, installed nets designed to keep pigeons from roosting on the historic structure. Their nests damage the building, and their excrement is corrosive.

Now, La Casa de Noé [The House of Noah] claims that the nets are killing hundreds of pigeons, and that constitutes animal cruelty.

[...]

The ICF has proposed to begin feeding the existing pigeon population with contraceptive feed.

That would allow both the cathedral and the pigeons to peacefully co-exist. But will it satisfy La Casa de Noé?

Oh... for avians....

96 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:33:43pm

I don't think anyone would be cheering if some alien race landed on Earth and decided to colonize it either.

97 Varek Raith  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:36:16pm

re: #96 Gus

I don't think anyone would be cheering if some alien race landed on Earth and decided to colonize it either.

*Whistles innocently*

98 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:36:40pm

re: #94 Gus

Well that's the thing too. Being pro or anti colonialist is relative. It depends on whose side you're on. There were also different spectrum of colonialism as practiced by different nations. For instance the British tended to be more humane with the American Indians as opposed to their Spanish counterpart in South America. A lot of people were killed under the flag of colonialism. There's also a bit of a conundrum with the United States since our revolution was in fact a struggle against British colonialism.

And in Africa the British favored Indians fairly heavily. One of the causes of the 'Mau-Mau' revolt in Kenya was the white settlers plan for a legislature that reserved most seats for whites but also gave Indians at least 3 times the per-capita representation of Africans.

99 Targetpractice  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:36:43pm

re: #96 Gus

I don't think anyone would be cheering if some alien race landed on Earth and decided to colonize it either.

Eh, not to worry. If the aliens show up and they're hostile, we'll just send Will Smith and Jeff Goldblum after them.

//

100 dragonath  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:43:14pm

I though Jeff Goldblum turned into a fly...

101 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:48:27pm

This is Our America for July 27, 2012:

VBS teaches kids young-earth creationism

Dueling dinosaurs competed for attention this summer in downtown Jacksonville, Fla.

This summer Jacksonville’s Museum of Science and History – known locally as MOSH – is home for a traveling exhibit called “A T. rex named Sue.” On loan from The Field Museum in Chicago, it features a replica cast of the most complete skeleton ever discovered of a creature that scientists say roamed North America about 67 million years ago.

Nearby a record 2,900 children and volunteers were joined by eight dinosaurs, including the head of a Tyrannosaurus rex, at First Baptist Church for a “Creation Quest” vacation Bible school teaching creation from the first five chapters of Genesis.

Mac Brunson, pastor of First Baptist Church, told the Florida Baptist Witness the Bible’s account of creation is critical for children to know in order to counter the “humanistic worldview message that you evolved from some type of lower animal which evolved from some molecule swimming around in a mud puddle somewhere.”

[...]

[Sources for the VBS from ICR and an Oklahoma organization.] Brunson told the Florida Baptist Convention news journal that local volunteers wrote much of the material, especially for the preschool department.

Along with two rooms full of dinosaurs, fossils and other artifacts, children explored a Noah’s Ark “museum” featuring taxidermy animals and walls covered with wooden crates to resemble the interior hull of an ancient ship. Middle-school students marked off the dimensions of the ark as recorded in the Bible, using red duct tape on sidewalks, around church structures and even into parking garages to measure the height.

“I’m teaching them that there was an actual flood and it covered the earth for more than 40 days and 40 nights,” Stephanie Lundquist, a middle-school teacher at First Baptist Academy of Jacksonville, told the Baptist newspaper. [...]

[Inter alia, an erroneous quote from the Guardian]

Lundquist told the Witness that Satan had been attacking “the message of the Ark” since before VBS even began, but she and other volunteers committed it to prayer.

So there.

102 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:49:41pm

re: #100 Fred Galt

I though Jeff Goldblum turned into a fly...

He got better...

103 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:51:57pm

For those following the Alabama Public Television brouhaha:

After weeks of silence, Governor Robert Bentley is finally commenting on the situation at Alabama Public Television. Last month, the Alabama Educational Television Commission – which oversees APT -- unexpectedly fired the television network’s executive director and chief financial officer. The commission said it wanted to take APT in a new direction, but the executives maintain they were fired because they protested a suggestion to air a controversial documentary series from a conservative, religious activist. Earlier this week, another APT executive sent a letter to Governor Robert Bentley expressing concerns about the agenda of commission members appointed by the governor. At an economic development event in Cullman, Governor Bentley told Huntsville public radio station WLRH what he thinks the commission’s role should be in overseeing APT.

Click here to listen to his comment...

Yesterday - About a dozen people including religious leaders, Alabama Public Television employees and community members delivered thousands of petition signatures to the APT headquarters in Birmingham. They called on the Alabama Educational Television Commission to not air a controversial documentary series and to reinstate the former executive director and chief financial officer. We’ve got extensive coverage of this issue, including video of the documentary series and photos from yesterday’s petition delivery.

Listening to the governor, basically he said nothing.

104 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 9:58:06pm

re: #98 Dark_Falcon

And in Africa the British favored Indians fairly heavily. One of the causes of the 'Mau-Mau' revolt in Kenya was the white settlers plan for a legislature that reserved most seats for whites but also gave Indians at least 3 times the per-capita representation of Africans.

There you go then. I see nothing wrong in acknowledging the injustices of our past. We all make an effort to atone. India and the UK are a good example for while the UK was unjust to India, at the same time there were already many injustices being carried out from within the Indian culture itself.

105 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 10:01:20pm

re: #103 freetoken

For those following the Alabama Public Television brouhaha:

Listening to the governor, basically he said nothing.

America is a nation comprised of 50 nations.

106 Gus  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 10:02:46pm

One may dislike Hitler's system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.
-- Winston Churchill

107 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 10:42:48pm

And now, Yuzo Kayama with "It's a Bride Smell":

MP3 Audio
108 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:16:16pm

Along the same subject... here is "The Bride in a Boat", sounding a bit more traditional:

MP3 Audio
109 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:17:34pm

Note to self: Never start a modeling project which includes the words basilica or cathedral.

110 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:19:07pm

re: #109 Kragar

Note to self: Never start a modeling project which includes the words basilica or cathedral.

Good grief.

111 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:22:08pm

re: #110 prairiefire

Good grief.

"Build a 3 story bombed out cathedral with bas relief gargoyles and mosaiscs and exposed infrastructure. How hard can it be?"

Good lord, what was I thinking?

112 freetoken  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:23:35pm

re: #109 Kragar

Note to self: Never start a modeling project which includes the words basilica or cathedral.

MP3 Audio
113 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:28:36pm

re: #112 freetoken

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Youtube Video
114 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:34:25pm

re: #111 Kragar

Do you have tiny wooden pews in disarray?

115 Kragar  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:36:22pm

re: #114 prairiefire

Do you have tiny wooden pews in disarray?

No, its the outside

116 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 27, 2012 11:38:52pm

I have no idea what high school has in store for us this year.

117 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:02:17am

Morning/Evening all!

Hubby and I tag-teamed a major cleaning project this past evening. Yep, exciting things we do together on Friday Nights these days!!!

you?

118 prairiefire  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:14:24am

re: #117 ggt

Hope you are well, it's time for sleep for me. Have a good Saturday, ggt.

119 freetoken  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:37:30am

Three hours of sex leave squid too exhausted to swim much

After their three-hour sex sessions, dumpling squid are so exhausted that they can swim only half as long as before their sexual workout, an exhaustion that might limit their search for food and leave them more vulnerable to predators, Australian researchers reported this week. Their study is the first to quantify the energetic costs of mating in this submarine species and may lead to a new understanding of the cephalopods' survival, growth and reproduction.

[...]

Well, 3 hours is quite the bout.

120 freetoken  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:58:00am
MP3 Audio
121 researchok  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:02:32am

Morning, all

122 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:16:22am

re: #109 Kragar

Note to self: Never start a modeling project which includes the words basilica or cathedral.

Did your flying buttresses crash?

123 researchok  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:23:14am

re: #107 freetoken

re: #108 freetoken

re: #112 freetoken

re: #120 freetoken

Great selection today.

I don't quite know how to categorize the Japanese tunes but I like them.

The last piano piece (I listen from the bottom up) is absolutely sublime.

124 researchok  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:24:07am

re: #113 Kragar

Figures you'd find that.

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:31:03am

nytol!

126 Kragar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:37:09am

ok, Japanese rock music time

Youtube Video
127 Kragar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:43:03am
Youtube Video
128 researchok  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:53:10am

re: #126 Kragar

re: #127 Kragar

Interesting.

Ahem.
/

130 EdDantes  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 2:11:23am

re: #126 Kragar

My favorite Japanese song.

Youtube Video
131 EdDantes  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 2:17:10am

re: #130 EdDantes

Another good version.

Youtube Video
132 freetoken  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 2:59:48am

re: #130 EdDantes

Why do so many Japanese songs sound like the singer is part of some tragedy?

Because they probably are. Which is why I love them - especially the melancholy ones.

133 freetoken  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 3:24:29am
MP3 Audio
134 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 3:27:33am

re: #132 freetoken

Youtube Video


Aburadako certainly fits that mold, but they're a punk rock band so tragedy is assumed.

I think they're just peachy.

135 ozbloke  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 3:34:50am

AmericanBorat

136 ozbloke  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 4:19:40am

Batman massacre suspect was a psychiatric patient

The man accused of killing 12 people and wounding 58 at a cinema in the US state of Colorado eight days ago is reported to have been seeing a psychiatrist before the attack.

Newly released court papers say that the suspect, James Holmes, was seeing a schizophrenia specialist.

Holmes went on a shooting spree during the premiere of The Dark Knight Rises in Aurora, Colorado, on July 20.

The legal papers lodged by Holmes's lawyers said he was being treated by a psychiatrist at the University of Colorado, where he had studied neuroscience.

The court motion was seeking the source of a media leak.

This week, an unidentified official told US media that Holmes had sent a package to his psychiatrist containing a notebook which had descriptions of an attack in it.

More...

137 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 5:04:45am

Nice:

Idaho billboard compares Obama to Colorado theater shooting suspect

"Offensive." "Abhorrent." "Pathetic." Words like that are being used to describe a billboard in Caldwell, Idaho, that compares President Barack Obama — unfavorably — to James Eagan Holmes, the suspect in the shooting deaths of 12 people in a Colorado movie theater last week.

The sign features photos of Holmes and Obama side by side. Of Holmes, it says: "Kills 12 in a movie theater with assault rifle, everyone freaks out." Of Obama, it says: "Kills thousands with foreign policy, wins Nobel Peace Prize."

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

138 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:01:19am

London Olympics pauses to honor dead Brits, not Israelis

In the worst decision of the Opening Ceremony, the International Olympic Committee allowed one moment of silence to be held - just not the one that it should have permitted for the past 40 years.

After saying there would be no moment of silence to honor the 11 Israeli athletes and coaches who were killed at the 1972 Munich Olympics, the IOC permitted a video tribute to the 52 people who were killed in the suicide bombings in the London transit system the day after the city won the Games in 2005.

At least Bob Costas did the right thing...

Bob Costas Led A Moment Of Silence At The Opening Ceremony After The IOC Refused

NBC's Bob Costas led a five-second moment of silence when Israeli athletes walked into Olympic Stadium yesterday, which the International Olympic Committee refused to do.

Costas was acknowledging the 11 Israeli athletes and coaches murdered 40 years ago during the Munich Games in 1972 by Palestinian gunmen.

"There have been calls from a number of quarters for the IOC to acknowledge that with a moment of silence at some point in tonight's ceremony, the IOC denied that request noting it had honored the victims on other occasions," Costas said on the telecast.

"Still, for many, tonight with the world watching is the true time and place to remember those who were lost and how and why they died," he continued.

Following his comments, Costas went silent for five-seconds before sending it to commercial.

139 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:11:20am

Russia will not let EU search its ships for Syria arms

MOSCOW - Russia warned on Saturday that it would not cooperate with European Union sanctions requiring EU governments to search vessels suspected of carrying weapons into Syria, a defiant stance that is likely to spark anger in the West.

EU governments agreed the new embargo rules on Monday in an effort to prevent arms from reaching Syria, where 16 months of violence that Western nations blame mostly on the government has killed more than 18,000 people by some estimates.

Russia, which has blocked efforts to threaten the government with UN Security Council sanctions and has criticized Western embargoes, said it does "not intend to take any part in the measures to implement the EU decisions aimed against Syria."

"We ... will not consider appeals and give consent to searches of vessels sailing under the Russian flag, nor to the application of other restrictive measures to them," Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Lukashevich said in a statement.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:18:24am

re: #139 NJDhockeyfan

Russia will not let EU search its ships for Syria arms

I say stop and search the ships anyways. Slap Russia across the face for their support of tyranny and then dare them to do something about it. The USA and UK should do the stops, though, since we aren't dependent on Russian natural gas.

141 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:20:52am

Gun Store humor:

Zombie Defense at Cheaper than Dirt. This is part of the Survival section.
The Hornady ammunition company has capitalized on the fad with a whole line of Zombie Z-Max"Zombie Defense Ammunition," complete with lurid comic book artwork. This is available in many calibers. The box declares "This is live ammunition. This is not a toy."

The ad has the following blurb:

Zombie Max - Just in case!

Be PREPARED – supply yourself for the Zombie Apocalypse with Zombie Max ammunition from Hornady! Loaded with PROVEN Z-Max bullets... yes PROVEN Z-Max bullets (have you seen a Zombie?). Make sure your "bug out bag" is ready with nothing but the best!

Disclaimer: Hornady Zombie Max ammunition is NOT a toy (IT IS LIVE AMMUNITION), but is intended only to be used on…ZOMBIES, also known as the living dead, undead, etc. No human being, plant, animal, vegetable or mineral should ever be shot with Hornady Zombie Max ammunition. Again, we repeat, Hornady Zombie Max ammunition is for use on ZOMBIES ONLY, and that's not a nickname, phrase or cute way of referring to anybody, place or thing. When we say Zombies, we mean…ZOMBIES!

Funny people. Ha ha ha! You'll die laughing.

142 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:22:00am

re: #140 Dark_Falcon

I say stop and search the ships anyways. Slap Russia across the face for their support of tyranny and then dare them to do something about it. The USA and UK should do the stops, though, since we aren't dependent on Russian natural gas.

Those fuckers have no intentions of stopping Assad's genocide. In fact they are supporting it.

Russia FM defends Assad's Aleppo offensive amid reports of artillery, aerial attacks

Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov on Saturday defended the Syrian government's military offensive against rebels in Aleppo.

"How can one expect that the Syrian government will say, 'Yes go ahead, overthrow me,'" Lavrov was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency.

"The price of all this is still more blood," he said, in reference to Western support for the armed struggle against the regime of President Bashar Assad.

Lavrov's comments came as human rights activists reported earlier in the day that Assad’s forces launched an attack against rebel forces in Aleppo, Syria’s second largest city.

143 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:25:07am

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

Those fuckers have no intentions of stopping Assad's genocide. In fact they are supporting it.

Russia FM defends Assad's Aleppo offensive amid reports of artillery, aerial attacks

Mr. Lavarov,

I hope you will enjoy burning in Hell when you reach the afterlife. Jesus does not look kindly on those who knowingly enabled mass murder when they appear before Him for Judgement.

Fuck you very much,

Dark_Falcon

144 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:27:01am

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Gun Store humor:

Zombie Defense at Cheaper than Dirt. This is part of the Survival section.
The Hornady ammunition company has capitalized on the fad with a whole line of Zombie Z-Max"Zombie Defense Ammunition," complete with lurid comic book artwork. This is available in many calibers. The box declares "This is live ammunition. This is not a toy."

The ad has the following blurb:

Funny people. Ha ha ha! You'll die laughing.

I know its silly, but I don't know where the 'dying' part comes in. That stuff would be fine as target ammo.

145 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:27:34am

re: #141 Shiplord Kirel

Gun Store humor:

Funny people. Ha ha ha! You'll die laughing.

Yeah, the whole "zombie" shtick as a way to refer safely to killing "others" got old for me a long time ago. Companies taking advantage of it, like Hornady, go on my "don't buy from" list. Guess I'll have to get Speer once my Hornady bullets for reloading are used up.

146 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:28:54am

Good Mormon, everyone.

Image: 376925_475165155828586_176390763_n.jpg

147 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:32:26am

re: #143 Dark_Falcon

Punishing someone with eternal torment would be a moral crime worse than what Assad has done. Versions of God that are that sociopathic are weird as shit to me.

148 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:37:48am

re: #147 Obdicut

Punishing someone with eternal torment would be a moral crime worse than what Assad has done. Versions of God that are that sociopathic are weird as shit to me.

Ah, he's just an innocent kid trying to sound tough...leave him be. Besides, I can think of one thing that probably scares him more than the fear fantasy of eternal damnation that evangelicals use to recruit naive people into their faith.

149 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:39:05am

I needed some kind of context for that pic as someone posted it on facebook and I thought it too funny not to share. Fortunately, the lord provided just such an opportunity. Thank you baby Jesus.

150 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:42:06am

re: #147 Obdicut

Punishing someone with eternal torment would be a moral crime worse than what Assad has done. Versions of God that are that sociopathic are weird as shit to me.

I do not agree. Deeds as rotten as those of Assad, that are never sincerely repented, call for a eternity of suffering.

Moreover, to punish someone in that way is not sociopathic, given how much God cares and how such a person was given the chance to take the right path, even if the cost of doing so would have been high. And even after they have sinned greatly, repentance is still possible, and forgiveness is available. God cares about everyone and therefore He cannot be a sociopath; For is not the lack of emotional connection the hallmark of the sociopath?

151 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:42:55am

re: #148 darthstar

Ah, he's just an innocent kid trying to sound tough...leave him be. Besides, I can think of one thing that probably scares him more than the fear fantasy of eternal damnation that evangelicals use to recruit naive people into their faith.

[eyeroll]

152 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:56:40am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I do not agree. Deeds as rotten as those of Assad, that are never sincerely repented, call for a eternity of suffering.

Which is monstrous to me. Absolutely monstrous. Why should someone suffer forever? What possible benefit could there be for someone enduring an infinity of pain? What is the good of it?

153 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:57:09am

re: #150 Dark_Falcon

I do not agree. Deeds as rotten as those of Assad, that are never sincerely repented, call for a eternity of suffering.

Moreover, to punish someone in that way is not sociopathic, given how much God cares and how such a person was given the chance to take the right path, even if the cost of doing so would have been high. And even after they have sinned greatly, repentance is still possible, and forgiveness is available. God cares about everyone and therefore He cannot be a sociopath; For is not the lack of emotional connection the hallmark of the sociopath?

Wishing eternal suffering on someone, anyone, is unhealthy. Wishing them dead is actually far less so, because when someone's dead, that's it. But wishing upon them constant pain and anguish is definitely something one shouldn't be proud of as a human being.

Besides, god is just a metaphor for the self. Man invented god to explain the unexplainable. His character in the bible is, in fact, quite the sociopath and nowhere is his "love" illustrated, except for the fact that he sacrifices his kid...oh, yeah, and he's a crappy parent.

154 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:07:11am

re: #152 Obdicut

Which is monstrous to me. Absolutely monstrous. Why should someone suffer forever? What possible benefit could there be for someone enduring an infinity of pain? What is the good of it?

As punishment for their sins, that is the point.

155 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:16:27am

Video: Terrorists train for southern border attack

Al-Qaeda-linked group releases clip showing terrorists preparing for attack that killed Israeli on Egypt border

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:19:11am

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Video: Terrorists train for southern border attack

It appears there is a terrorist camp in Sinai that needs the attentions of an MQ-9 rather badly.

157 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:21:25am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

As punishment for their sins, that is the point.

And that's why you shouldn't masturbate...it's a sin.

158 jamesfirecat  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:22:42am

re: #147 Obdicut

Punishing someone with eternal torment would be a moral crime worse than what Assad has done. Versions of God that are that sociopathic are weird as shit to me.

There can be no justice in an infinity of suffering as punishment for a finite life of sin.

(Not sure where I saw that quote or something like it, but it stuck with me.)

159 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:31:36am

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

It appears there is a terrorist camp in Sinai that needs the attentions of an MQ-9 rather badly.

Somebody's going to have to clean up Sinai sooner or later.

160 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:47:46am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

As punishment for their sins, that is the point.

And what benefit does this punishment give? Who benefits from the fact that out there somewhere someone is suffering in agony for all eternity?

Does that suffering make God happy, or someone else pleased?

161 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:49:39am

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

As punishment for their sins, that is the point.

Wouldn't intolerable suffering for 1 or 2 hundred years do the trick?

162 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:50:34am

re: #158 jamesfirecat

There can be no justice in an infinity of suffering as punishment for a finite life of sin.

(Not sure where I saw that quote or something like it, but it stuck with me.)

I'm reminded of a quote attributed to John-Paul II, that "Dogma requires that we believe in hell. It does not require that we believe anyone is in hell." But then I have a strong universalist streak.

163 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 7:54:25am

re: #161 Talking Point Detective

Wouldn't intolerable suffering for 1 or 2 hundred years do the trick?

No, because the righteous don't forgive.

164 Talking Point Detective  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:01:13am

re: #163 darthstar

No, because the righteous don't forgive.

Good point. Forgiveness is for pussies.

165 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:04:11am

re: #164 Talking Point Detective

Good point. Forgiveness is for pussies.

Jesus was a pussy. That's one of the things I liked about his character in the bible. Easy going, not afraid to push back on occasion, and he knew how to lively up a party with a little magic...but most of all he was pretty forgiving and didn't treat others like shit. I liked that about him.

166 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:07:38am

re: #162 William Barnett-Lewis

I'm reminded of a quote attributed to John-Paul II, that "Dogma requires that we believe in hell. It does not require that we believe anyone is in hell." But then I have a strong universalist streak.

I've said many times that I never want someone to go to Hell, but in the case of the Russian fellow NJDhockeyfan quoted I find his repenting of his misdeeds extremely unlikely.

Russia has a serious morals problem, and I'm not talking about Culture War issues like porn. I'm talking about a view that there is nothing wrong with killing others to get ahead and that individual rights are a worthless concept.

167 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:11:02am

Stopped by Chick-fil-A in The Woodlands to support a great business.

Word Salad Spice

168 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:13:18am

re: #166 Dark_Falcon

Russia has a serious morals problem, and I'm not talking about Culture War issues like porn. I'm talking about a view that there is nothing wrong with killing others to get ahead and that individual rights are a worthless concept.

Stereotype much?

169 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:19:19am

re: #165 darthstar

Jesus was a pussy. That's one of the things I liked about his character in the bible. Easy going, not afraid to push back on occasion, and he knew how to lively up a party with a little magic...but most of all he was pretty forgiving and didn't treat others like shit. I liked that about him.

No, Jesus was no pussy. He was measured and judicious in his responses. A pussy won't fight, whereas Jesus understood that sometimes you have to fight. He just wasn't eager to do so.

As for the comments on forgiveness:

For after death amends may no man make,
For then Pity and Mercy doth he forsake.
If his reckoning be unclear when he doth come,
God will say 'Ite, maledicti, in ignem eternum.'

- Everyman

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:21:33am

re: #168 darthstar

Stereotype much?

Not everyone feels that way in Russia but many do. Surely Putin does.

171 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:26:46am

re: #165 darthstar

Jesus was a pussy. That's one of the things I liked about his character in the bible. Easy going, not afraid to push back on occasion, and he knew how to lively up a party with a little magic...but most of all he was pretty forgiving and didn't treat others like shit. I liked that about him.

He said to forgive and keep on forgiving for 70 times 7 times - IOW essentially forever. Repentance of that person is not part of what is required of us. He forgave irregardless and we are shown that we should as well. It all goes back to the whole idea of treating the "other" as we would like to be treated. As His elder contemporary Hillel reminds us, that's the whole of the Law.

172 Mattand  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:30:48am

re: #165 darthstar

Jesus was a pussy. That's one of the things I liked about his character in the bible. Easy going, not afraid to push back on occasion, and he knew how to lively up a party with a little magic...but most of all he was pretty forgiving and didn't treat others like shit. I liked that about him.

If I had magic powers like Jesus supposedly did, I'd definitely consider going the superhero route.

173 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:31:53am

re: #169 Dark_Falcon

There is nowhere in the New Testament where Jesus says anything that could be interpreted as "sometimes you have to fight", other than the quite obviously allegorical "I come not to bring peace but a sword". The closet he comes to violence is the cleansing of the temple, where he uses a whip of cords on cattle and overturns some tables, but there's no violence from him against another person.

What are you thinking of, when you say that Jesus understands you sometimes have to fight?

174 Mattand  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:33:26am

re: #173 Obdicut

There is nowhere in the New Testament where Jesus says anything that could be interpreted as "sometimes you have to fight", other than the quite obviously allegorical "I come not to bring peace but a sword". The closet he comes to violence is the cleansing of the temple, where he uses a whip of cords on cattle and overturns some tables, but there's no violence from him against another person.

What are you thinking of, when you say that Jesus understands you sometimes have to fight?

Left Behind series?

Part of me wants to read it for the camp value. Any series of books that makes the Bible look rational has to have some kind of entertainment value.

175 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:35:15am

This is actually always been one of the funniest things to me: Lots of weirdos assert that Islam is somehow an innately terrible religion because of the text it's based on, which counsels violence and all the rest of that. These people are normally Christians, who are following a teacher who taught them to never use violence, to always turn the other cheek, to seek martyrdom, to be charitable to the poor and to eschew material possessions, and yet the history of Christianity is one of bloodshed, worldliness, materialism, and exploitation of the poor. So why do they think a text has such influence on the way that the followers of a religion act?

176 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:36:02am

re: #167 Kronocide

Stopped by Chick-fil-A in The Woodlands to support a great business.

Word Salad Spice

Trashy couple is trashy.

177 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:37:33am

Individual Rights+SoCons=Oil/water

178 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:37:41am

Is that is. Yeah. Heaven and hell. Myself I believe in Casper the Friendly Ghost. The friendliest ghost you know...

179 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:38:10am

re: #178 Gus

Is that is. Yeah. Heaven and hell. Myself I believe in Casper the Friendly Ghost. The friendliest ghost you know...

Ghosts don't exist.
:P

180 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:39:01am

People will complain about what Russia is doing know WRT Syria but I can guarantee you that soon after the fall of Assad and the rise of Islamists in Syria conservatives will be wishing that Assad never fell.

181 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:39:13am

re: #176 Gus

Trashy couple are trashy.

It's weird. Even though I know gay people had it worse back when I was growing up, they were still mostly forced out of the mainstream, and so you didn't see so much hate and vituperation aimed their way in the mass media. It's really making more and more of an impression on me, that these people are really bigots, it's really important to them. It's not just something that they've been raised with, it's a really central tenet, that homosexuals are bad, are less than they are.

It's so banal. The banality of bigotry.

182 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:40:05am

re: #174 Mattand

Left Behind series?

Part of me wants to read it for the camp value. Any series of books that makes the Bible look rational has to have some kind of entertainment value.

You're kidding, right? You know I'm not a fundie. Don't fire off DERP like that.

183 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:40:26am

re: #179 Varek Raith

Ghosts don't exist.
:P

I see you saw straight through my little ploy! Bwahahaha.

Care for some numerology? Today is 7/28/2012 or...

7 x 2 x 8 x 2 x 0 x 1 x 2 which equals zero!

Tomorrow it will also equal zero!

Magic!

184 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:41:34am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

You're kidding, right? You know I'm not a fundie. Don't fire off DERP like that.

Well, can you answer the question of where, in the text of the New Testament, you find Jesus expressing the sentiment that he understands you sometimes have to fight?

185 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:42:08am

re: #183 Gus

I see you saw straight through my little ploy! Bwahahaha.

Care for some numerology? Today is 7/28/2012 or...

7 x 2 x 8 x 2 x 0 x 1 x 2 which equals zero!

Tomorrow it will also equal zero!

Magic!

Please, no. I had my fill of that BS from having to read the page of that crazy wingnut Charles clubbed last night.

186 Mattand  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:42:18am

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

You're kidding, right? You know I'm not a fundie. Don't fire off DERP like that.

Lighten up, Francis. It's a joke.

All though Obiduct is right. Other than Jesus freaking out on the money changers, I'm hard pressed to think of Jesus advocating fighting even as a last resort.

187 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:42:22am

re: #183 Gus

I see you saw straight through my little ploy! Bwahahaha.

Care for some numerology? Today is 7/28/2012 or...

7 x 2 x 8 x 2 x 0 x 1 x 2 which equals zero!

Tomorrow it will also equal zero!

Magic!

Spell racecar backwards.

You can't explain that.

188 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:43:07am

re: #181 Obdicut

It's weird. Even though I know gay people had it worse back when I was growing up, they were still mostly forced out of the mainstream, and so you didn't see so much hate and vituperation aimed their way in the mass media. It's really making more and more of an impression on me, that these people are really bigots, it's really important to them. It's not just something that they've been raised with, it's a really central tenet, that homosexuals are bad, are less than they are.

It's so banal. The banality of bigotry.

Hard to figure out why. Some would say because being gay was more hidden. I don't know why these pathetic heterosexuals are so intimidated by gays. It sort of correlates with the rise of televangelists. It's also been an increasing theme from the pulpit.

189 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:43:22am

re: #176 Gus

Trashy couple is trashy.

Exhibit 34A

190 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:43:39am

re: #184 Obdicut

Well, can you answer the question of where, in the text of the New Testament, you find Jesus expressing the sentiment that he understands you sometimes have to fight?

No, because I've got no time to scan for it. I'm leaving soon and don't have time to support that sort of argument with citations.

191 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:44:07am

re: #189 Stanley Sea

Exhibit 34A

Yuck.

192 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:44:42am

It's freaking anorexic Darlene McBride.

193 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:45:38am

re: #191 Gus

Yuck.

I like the fashion statement. BOOTS YA'LL!!!

194 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:46:05am

re: #188 Gus

Hard to figure out why. Some would say because being gay was more hidden. I don't know why these pathetic heterosexuals are so intimidated by gays. It sort of correlates with the rise of televangelists. It's also been an increasing theme from the pulpit.

Because now they're out. Then they weren't. For those bigots, it's ok if gays suffered back then because they suffered in silence. They didn't have to know about it. Now they're out and the bigots are pissed.

195 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:46:51am
Youtube Video
196 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:46:56am

re: #193 Stanley Sea

I like the fashion statement. BOOTS YA'LL!!!

Original. What are those safety glasses or racquetball glasses?

197 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:48:21am

re: #189 Stanley Sea

Exhibit 34A

Slightly younger, but with much better legs. Less given to DERP as well.

Meanwhile, Sarah Palin's Daughter Bristol will be back on 'Dancing With the Stars" for its "All Star" season. With that announcement, Sarah Palin has come to resemble a less intelligent and less educated Kris Jenner.

198 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:48:33am

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

No, because I've got no time to scan for it. I'm leaving soon and don't have time to support that sort of argument with citations.

There is no citation that you could make that would support your argument. I'll raise this with you again later.

The other thing that is often cited by naive readers of the New Testament as Jesus okaying violence is him telling his disciples to get swords after his return to Bethlemen, but since two swords is 'enough' and since he forbids the use of the swords later, there's clearly a different reason than actual violence he wants the swords-- either legalistically to add to the charges against him, in fulfillment of prophecy to count him as an 'outlaw', or indeed as a test of his apostles which one then fails, to carry swords and not use them.

So they only time Jesus might be seen as directing violence is only so if you take it completely out of context.

199 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:50:49am

re: #188 Gus

Hard to figure out why. Some would say because being gay was more hidden. I don't know why these pathetic heterosexuals are so intimidated by gays. It sort of correlates with the rise of televangelists. It's also been an increasing theme from the pulpit.

Self-repressed people hate free people. They resent other people being free so much that it hardly leaves room for normal human emotions. Or maybe it's filling a pre-existing void of healthy human emotions. As long as gay people stayed closeted or at least deferential, they were OK. When they're out and proud they're a threat to a rotten world-view.

200 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:51:34am

The New Testament is actually really worth reading, if you haven't gone through it. If you do, it really changes your conception of Christianity, and makes you realize how different modern versions of it are from what Christ taught. What Christ teaches is very clearly an apocalyptic Christianity, where the end of the world was expected in that generation. Even if you take a very sketchily non-literal approach to this, his instructions to his followers are definitely still to act like it is apocalyptic, to forgo all other activities other than being his follower and converting others. Which, obviously, would make it hard to get anything done, which is why people don't do it.

201 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:52:39am
The opening ceremonies are loaded with Satanic symbolism as per usual - but more so than ever now.


9 posted on Sat Jul 28 2012 12:40:41 GMT+0900 by Republican1795.

where else? [Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

202 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:53:26am

Mr. Bean = satan himself

-conservatives

203 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:53:58am

Mr. Bean is freaking hilarious.

204 Obdicut  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:54:37am

re: #203 Varek Raith

Mr. Bean is freaking hilarious.

Germans really love Mr. Bean.

Youtube Video
205 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:56:44am

re: #201 SpaceJesus

where else? [Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

They sure know a lot about satanic symbolism....

206 What, me worry?  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:58:07am

re: #201 SpaceJesus

where else? [Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Oh yes, I lay this at the feet of Ziggy Stardust. The father of punk rockers. The granddaddy of gender bending. He took it all too far, but boy, could he play guitar.

207 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:58:57am

re: #205 Varek Raith

They sure know a lot about satanic symbolism...

Just like rock and roll music buster.

208 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:59:18am

Chic-Fil-A is the one under attack here. They support family values of bigotry.

209 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 8:59:36am

re: #205 Varek Raith

They sure know a lot about satanic symbolism...

But what they know about Wisdom could be written on a grain of rice.

210 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:00:21am

re: #201 SpaceJesus

where else? [Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Oh look this must be his Youtube channel...

About Republican1795

This channel was created to showcase some informative videos concerning the Boer folk of Southern Africa: the homegrown cultural / ethnic group which sprang up on African soil out of the diverse groups the VOC dumped at the Cape during the mid to late 17th cent. The Boers are the descendents of the Trekboers who trekked into the northern & eastern Cape frontiers during the late 1600s & throughout the 1700s. The Boers are of German / Frisian / Danish & French Huguenot descent with comparatively fewer Dutch ancestors contrary to the popular Western presumption. This channel is called Republican 1795 because the Boers had their first freedom / independence struggle in 1795 when their first Boer Republics were declared & established in rebellion to Dutch rule on the Cape frontier.

I don't know but I smell a...

211 Big Joe  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:00:47am

re: #201 SpaceJesus

where else? [Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

It's the opening ceremonies of the Olympics, not a fucking church service.

212 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:00:50am

The only satanic thing about the opening ceremonies was Paul singing Hey Jude.
/

213 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:01:04am

re: #208 Kronocide

Chic-Fil-A is the one under attack here. They support family values of bigotry.

I do agree that Rahm Emmanuel is going a bit too far in trying to keep them from expanding in Chicago, we should all simply be aware of their owner's policy towards gays and boycott/patronize them accordingly.

214 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:02:03am

re: #208 Kronocide

Chic-Fil-A is the one under attack here. They support family values of bigotry.

Their president does. Chicago has a Chic-Fil-A franchise downtown, though too far away for me to use it for lunch. It's owner is no bigot and had hired gay employees long before this dust-up. It's not the fault of the franchise owners that the head of the company is an ass.

215 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:02:19am

re: #210 Gus

Oh look this must be his Youtube channel...

About Republican1795

I don't know but I smell a...

Oh yeah. He's got a video there of Eugène Terre'Blanche.

216 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:03:13am

Morning all!

Up all night with migraine, slept for a few hours after the sun came up --feeling drained and not totally pain free. Really fuzzy headed.

I hate being a grown-up right now.

you?

217 SpaceJesus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:04:31am

re: #210 Gus

racist piece of shit?

218 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:05:01am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Their president does. Chicago has a Chic-Fil-A franchise downtown, though too far away for me to use it for lunch. It's owner is no bigot and had hired gay employees long before this dust-up. It's not the fault of the franchise owners that the head of the company is an ass.

Duly noted.

Emmanuel's push to impede franchises is misguided. The president's comments should be known by all, and the authorities should make sure Chick-Fil-A is on the up and up with regards to discriminatory law.

219 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:05:08am

re: #213 Expand Your Ground

I do agree that Rahm Emmanuel is going a bit too far in trying to keep them from expanding in Chicago, we should all simply be aware of their owner's policy towards gays and boycott/patronize them accordingly.

He actually dropped that stance less than 72 hours after adopting it, after both of Chicago's newspapers pointed out there was no evidence Chic-Fil-A had broken any state or local laws. That may not save the planned second location, though: The alderman of the 1st Ward has declared he will block approval for zoning of its lot as a restaurant under what is called "aldermanic privilege" (which is also a large source of Chicago's corruption, BTW).

220 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:06:30am

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

Their president does. Chicago has a Chic-Fil-A franchise downtown, though too far away for me to use it for lunch. It's owner is no bigot and had hired gay employees long before this dust-up. It's not the fault of the franchise owners that the head of the company is an ass.

If I were a franchisee, I'd be really, really pissed and probably talking to my attorney. I'd be buying big ads in the newspaper explaining my position and the policy in my stores.

221 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:07:14am

re: #215 Gus

Oh yeah. He's got a video there of Eugène Terre'Blanche.

That settles who he is: The kind of Boer Nationalist who thinks that black people exist to provide labor to Boers. In other words, a shithead.

222 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:07:16am

re: #218 Kronocide

Duly noted.

Emmanuel's push to impede franchises is misguided. The president's comments should be known by all, and the authorities should make sure Chick-Fil-A is on the up and up with regards to discriminatory law.

There are lawsuits against them going through the courts. Mostly gender discrimination.
Regardless, I'm not eating there anymore.

223 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:07:21am

re: #217 SpaceJesus

racist piece of shit?

Yep. It's him. He mentioned the Boers at FR before.

224 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:08:01am

re: #220 ggt

If I were a franchisee, I'd be really, really pissed and probably talking to my attorney. I'd be buying big ads in the newspaper explaining my position and the policy in my stores.

Big ads would get your shingle pulled, GGT. Most franchising companies have strict rules against that.

225 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:08:20am

Obligatory daily dose of beebee kitteh!

226 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:08:50am
▼ Bottom Comments

No bottom comments!

Satt must be sleeping.
/hi satt!


Didn't it used to not say anything if there were no bottom comments?

227 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:09:09am

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Big ads would get your shingle pulled, GGT. Most franchising companies have strict rules against that.

I'd find a way to get an interview with a reporter and get my opinion out there. Something, signs in my store, whatever.

228 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:11:08am

Don't have any Chick-Fil-A in Hawaii. So I'm going to boycott fried chicken.

229 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:11:23am

re: #227 ggt

I'd find a way to get an interview with a reporter and get my opinion out there. Something, signs in my store, whatever.

He has already done that first thing. i can't speak to the second, since I haven't been inside the Chicago Chic-Fil-A as of yet.

230 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:11:55am

re: #228 Kronocide

Don't have any Chick-Fil-A in Hawaii. So I'm going to boycott fried chicken.

Hey now...

231 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:13:11am

re: #230 Varek Raith

Hey now...

Either that or biscuits and gravy. I loves me da biscuits and gravy, so chicken loses.

232 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:14:06am

BBL

233 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:21:16am

re: #226 wrenchwench

Satt must be sleeping.
/hi satt!

Didn't it used to not say anything if there were no bottom comments?

lol

nahhh,,, 1st day back to work after a week + off. Sons college orientation a few days as well as wifey and me hitting the Georgia wine country for some R&R

Trying to catch up to all my missed maintenance duties due to be performed prior to end of month as well as coming up with a work schedule to cover this place 24/7 from now to the end of the year with 6 people, one or the other of us being on vacation just about weekly

234 wrenchwench  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:24:23am

re: #233 sattv4u2

lol

nahhh,,, 1st day back to work after a week + off. Sons college orientation a few days as well as wifey and me hitting the Georgia wine country for some R&R

Trying to catch up to all my missed maintenance duties due to be performed prior to end of month as well as coming up with a work schedule to cover this place 24/7 from now to the end of the year with 6 people, one or the other of us being on vacation just about weekly

*resisting urge to downding*

235 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:25:11am

re: #234 wrenchwench

*resisting urge to downding*

ahhh,,, go for it!!!

/

237 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:46:14am

I get enough coverage of the olympics from checking into the BBC website, from FB postings and from other sites, but am making no active effort to follow a once-vaunted athletic tradition that has degenerated into a corporate-sponsoring clusterf*ck.

238 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:47:52am

re: #237 Expand Your Ground

I get enough coverage of the olympics from checking into the BBC website, from FB postings and from other sites, but am making no active effort to follow a once-vaunted athletic tradition that has degenerated into a corporate-sponsoring clusterf*ck.

Yeah. It was so much better back in the good old days like in Berlin, 1936.

//

239 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:50:59am

re: #238 Gus

Yeah. It was so much better back in the good old days like in Berlin, 1936.

//

Sponsored by VolksWagon,, The Fuhrer's Choice!!!

/

240 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:54:05am

re: #239 sattv4u2

Sponsored by VolksWagon,, The Fuhrer's Choice!!!

/

Black with globe hub caps.

241 Killgore Trout  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:56:03am

London 2012: Row after NBC drop opening ceremony '7/7 tribute'

The US broadcaster NBC is facing growing criticism after editing their delayed coverage of the London 2012 opening ceremony to replace the "memorial wall" tribute section with a Ryan Seacrest interview with Michael Phelps.
...
The section included images of loved ones lost by those in the stadium, and was also widely interpreted as a tribute to the 52 victims of the 7/7 terrorist attacks in London in 2005.

242 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 9:58:52am

Coolest lesson in US history you'll get all day.

Image: changingusa.gif

243 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:00:20am

re: #241 Killgore Trout

London 2012: Row after NBC drop opening ceremony '7/7 tribute'

They should probably imprison whoever is responsible. Maybe something like 18 years in jail?

244 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:04:10am

re: #173 Obdicut

What are you thinking of, when you say that Jesus understands you sometimes have to fight?

Kenny Rogers does look a bit like Jesus, I must say.

Youtube Video
245 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:04:50am

re: #244 darthstar

Kenny Rogers does look a bit like Jesus, I must say.

[Embedded content]

Jesus was The Gambler?

246 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:05:22am

re: #241 Killgore Trout

London 2012: Row after NBC drop opening ceremony '7/7 tribute'

They're just trying to help take some of the heat off Romney.

247 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:05:29am

re: #238 Gus

Yeah. It was so much better back in the good old days like in Berlin, 1936.

//

That was an ideological clusterf*ck. Same principle, just different product...

248 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:05:43am

Hebrew National.
Best.
Hotdogs.
Ever.

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:06:00am

re: #248 Varek Raith

Hebrew National.
Best.
Hotdogs.
Ever.

You are right, It's true!

250 sattv4u2  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:06:41am

re: #248 Varek Raith

Hebrew National.
Best.
Hotdogs.
Ever.

Thank you for that report, Joey Chestnut!

251 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:07:22am

re: #244 darthstar

Kenny Rogers does look a bit like Jesus, I must say.

[Embedded content]

♫ Ya picked a fine time to leave me, Lucille!
Four ugly children and a crotch that won't heal!♪

252 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:08:48am

bbl

253 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:11:39am

re: #248 Varek Raith

Hebrew National.
Best.
Hotdogs.
Ever.

Those are good fuckin' dogs.

254 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:12:48am

re: #243 Gus

They should probably imprison whoever is responsible. Maybe something like 18 years in jail?

Eternity in hell./

255 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:12:50am

re: #246 darthstar

They're just trying to help take some of the heat off Romney.

See. There's something for everyone. Just fill in the blanks.

//

256 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:13:24am

Romney in Russia: I can't wait to see your Casinos, I've heard so much about this fancy version of Roulette you have.

257 dragonfire1981  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:14:24am

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

258 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:14:36am

re: #256 dragonfire1981

Romney in Russia: I can't wait to see your Casinos, I've heard so much about this fancy version of Roulette you have.

Sadly, he doesn't gamble...aside from that $10.000 bet.

259 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:15:00am

Romney in Russia: charming the audience by singing a few bars of "Back in the USSR"

260 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:15:48am

re: #254 darthstar

Eternity in hell./

Hell is just an imaginary place invented by man/woman in order to satisfy their lust for revenge.

261 AK-47%  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:15:56am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

Thank them for being concerned and then nicely ask them to take it out of sight/earshot.

262 jaunte  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:16:14am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

I have been in the patient role in a similar situation. It seemed to be a comfort to the nurse, so I let her go on uninterrupted.

263 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:16:21am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

Tell the nurse your relative is an atheist.

264 darthstar  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:17:50am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

Tell the nurse that the co-pay for God's help (your eternal soul) is unreasonably high and you'd prefer not to have that as part of the treatment.

265 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:19:08am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

Personally I'd make a ham sandwich.

//

266 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:20:51am

I give the only serious answer and the rest ya'll are jokesters.

Hypothetically speaking.

267 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:21:56am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

I'd probably say that the patient wouldn't appreciate it as they aren't a believer. (Depends on if the patient is conscious or not...I'm assuming not in this case).

268 allegro  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:22:18am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

Pick your battles. This may be one not worth the effort.

Last year when I got sick, I was in the surgical prep area before being taken in for emergency surgery. After the surgeon and anesthesiologist left, the nurse in there would. not. quit. with the Jesus loves me and praying. On and on telling me how HE was watching over me and believe in HIM. I was too sick and drugged up to confront herwith her incredible rudeness - though I did squeak out that I would prefer to put my trust in the surgical team. I was so relieved to finally get wheeled outa there.

269 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:23:49am

re: #268 allegro

Pick your battles. This may be one not worth the effort.

Last year when I got sick, I was in the surgical prep area before being taken in for emergency surgery. After the surgeon and anesthesiologist left, the nurse in there would. not. quit. with the Jesus loves me and praying. On and on telling me how HE was watching over me and believe in HIM. I was too sick and drugged up to confront herwith her incredible rudeness - though I did squeak out that I would prefer to put my trust in the surgical team. I was so relieved to finally get wheeled outa there.

I hope you reported her. That's just over-the-top, unprofessional behavior.

270 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:23:52am

re: #257 dragonfire1981

Hyopthetical question:

You have a relative in the hospital. This person happens to be atheist. You drop by to visit him/her and when you arrive there is a nurse in the room who is quite auidbly praying over them.

How do you react?

If it were me in the hospital, I'd likely not hear it anyway. So...

Now, the ham sandwich on the other hand...

271 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:24:19am

re: #266 Kronocide

I give the only serious answer and the rest ya'll are jokesters.

Hypothetically speaking.

I don't know. Depends on how they're praying. If they know the patient is an atheist and they're being an asshole about it then there would be problem. Religious people can care about atheists regardless of differences. They may not want them to suffer or even die. I really see nothing wrong with someone praying for an atheist as long as it's done with good intentions.

272 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:25:03am

If any one wants to pray for me for whatever reasons, knock yourself out.

273 allegro  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:25:10am

re: #269 Sionainn

I hope you reported her. That's just over-the-top, unprofessional behavior.

As I said, pick your battles. I agree that her behavior was unprofessional but I had much bigger things to worry about.

274 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:26:39am

re: #273 allegro

As I said, pick your battles. I agree that her behavior was unprofessional but I had much bigger things to worry about.

No, I mean report her now, not at the time that you were vulnerable and drugged up. No one should have to put up with that shit as they are going in for surgery.

275 Sionainn  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:27:16am

re: #271 Gus

re: #272 Varek Raith

I feel the same way, as long as they aren't being pushy and being an asshole about it.

276 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:27:30am

Check this out from our friend Researchok in pages,

United Nations Fails to Agree Landmark Arms-Trade Treaty

If Limbaugh, Beck, Jones, LaPierre and the other prophets of Second Amendment Doom were normal people rather than soul-dead shills, they would now slink away into retirement, never to be seen again.
They will no doubt have some ingenious explanation, though, probably that this is just part of Obama's deception plan and the hammer will fall in his second term.

277 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:28:00am

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel

Check this out from our friend Researchok in pages,

United Nations Fails to Agree Landmark Arms-Trade Treaty

If Limbaugh, Beck, Jones, LaPierre and the other prophets of Second Amendment Doom were normal people rather than soul-dead shills, they would now slink away into retirement, never to be seen again.
They will no doubt have some ingenious explanation, though, probably that this is just part of Obama's deception plan and the hammer will fall in his second term.

He's a tricksy one.

278 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:28:47am

Instead of praying for me I'd rather have wine and cheese. It is for me, isn't it?

279 jaunte  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:29:51am

re: #278 Kronocide

It is for me, isn't it?

Hah!

280 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:29:56am

re: #278 Kronocide

Instead of praying for me I'd rather have wine and cheese. It is for me, isn't it?

So...
It anything happens...
Can I have your stuff?

281 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:30:05am

re: #278 Kronocide

Instead of praying for me I'd rather have wine and cheese. It is for me, isn't it?

OK. So we've got a ham sandwich, wine and cheese... will there be anything else?

How about a lemon meringue pie?

282 Varek Raith  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:31:14am

re: #281 Gus

OK. So we've got a ham sandwich, wine and cheese... will there be anything else?

How about a lemon meringue pie?

As long as you throw it at the doc's face.
Humor. The best medicine.

283 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:32:45am

re: #280 Varek Raith

So...
It anything happens...
Can I have your stuff?

Yes, but if I find out you put ice cubes in the chardonnay and there is an afterlife URSCREWED.

284 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:33:29am

When I die, bury me upside-down, so the world can kiss my ass.

285 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:33:29am

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel

Check this out from our friend Researchok in pages,

United Nations Fails to Agree Landmark Arms-Trade Treaty

If Limbaugh, Beck, Jones, LaPierre and the other prophets of Second Amendment Doom were normal people rather than soul-dead shills, they would now slink away into retirement, never to be seen again.
They will no doubt have some ingenious explanation, though, probably that this is just part of Obama's deception plan and the hammer will fall in his second term.

Well, damn, I had offered my backyard and basement as an assembly point for the ACORN militia, so they could fan out through the neighborhood and grab the guns as soon as the treaty was signed. Now I am stuck with them, at least until the Soros-chartered bus arrives to take them back to wherever they came from.

286 Kronocide  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:35:36am

When I die give my body to science so they can study what a huge asshole I was.

287 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:37:03am

re: #276 Shiplord Kirel

Check this out from our friend Researchok in pages,

United Nations Fails to Agree Landmark Arms-Trade Treaty

If Limbaugh, Beck, Jones, LaPierre and the other prophets of Second Amendment Doom were normal people rather than soul-dead shills, they would now slink away into retirement, never to be seen again.
They will no doubt have some ingenious explanation, though, probably that this is just part of Obama's deception plan and the hammer will fall in his second term.

Yep. It's all part of the master plan. Even the failures are orchestrated.

O_o

Dick Morris is an idiot along with the rest of these nuts losers.

288 Gus  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:44:16am

The Brady Center for Gun Violence gave Obama an "F" in 2010. Don't know what the recent rating is. Seriously. These people need to be hauled off to the funny farm.

289 Mattand  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:06:58am

re: #272 Varek Raith

If any one wants to pray for me for whatever reasons, knock yourself out.

re: #275 Sionainn

re: #272 Varek Raith

I feel the same way, as long as they aren't being pushy and being an asshole about it.

re: #274 Sionainn

No, I mean report her now, not at the time that you were vulnerable and drugged up. No one should have to put up with that shit as they are going in for surgery.

The closest I ever came to that was filling out an admission form and the nurse getting bent out of shape because I wanted "none" under religion. I had her put "Catholic", just so I could get my medical treatment.

If the nurse wanted to pray for Allegro, whatever. However, doing it when Allegro was too doped up to protest about it, aka unprofessionally proselytizing to an incapacitated patient, is bullshit.

The kind of nonsense should be reported as soon as one is able to. If I had to do it over, I'd have demanded to see a manager. Holding up a medical procedure because you don't like a person's take on religion is ethically and morally wrong.

290 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:07:43am

re: #288 Gus

The Brady Center for Gun Violence gave Obama an "F" in 2010. Don't know what the recent rating is. Seriously. These people need to be hauled off to the funny farm.

The Brady Bunch is even weirder than the NRA. And why you consider that the NRA is nuttier than squirrel poo, that's saying something.


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