Wacko Libertarian Group Compares Obama to Colorado Killer

Too far? Ya think?

WingnutsJuly 2012 • Views: 36,688

A crazy libertarian group in Idaho put up the billboard you see above, comparing President Obama to alleged Colorado mass murderer James Holmes, and KBOI’s staff ponders the question: Does Billboard Comparing Obama to Alleged Shooter Go Too Far?

Gee, I don’t know. Have to give that some thought. It’s a real head-scratcher, all right.

CALDWELL, Idaho (KBOI) - A Caldwell billboard is raising questions in the Treasure Valley as it compares President Obama to accused Colorado killer, James Holmes.

The billboard on Franklin Road equates the actions of the president’s foreign policies to the acts of Holmes, who’s suspected of killing 12 people in the theater shooting.

The group that owns the board, The Ralph Smeed Foundation, says it wants to draw attention to military men and women dying overseas.

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133 comments

researchok Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:42:17am

Outrageous. Sick, actually.

Well, they wanted attention and they got it.

Kronocide Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:47:15am

Not too out of line for Bachmann, Gomert, or any of several other GOP politicians to say.

Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:49:06am

re: #1 researchok

Outrageous. Sick, actually.

Well, they wanted attention and they got it.

With luck they'll get the same kind of attention that the Heartland Institute got for the Unabomber/Global Warming billboard. On the other hand, this assumes they have supporters to lose in the first place.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:50:09am

re: #2 Kronocide

Not too out of line for Bachmann, Gomert, or any of several other GOP politicians to say.

They have no monopoly on it...

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:50:48am

Paid for by "The Ralph Smeed Foundation"

from his biography;

Ralph’s early years were spent traveling with his father buying feed and getting kicked in the head by cattle.

Okay ,, so I edited it a tad, but at least that would explain it

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:53:51am

Crazy. Reminds me of Antiwar.com rhetoric. The anti-war right.

Sol Berdinowitz Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:54:48am

re: #5 sattv4u2

Paid for by "The Ralph Smeed Foundation"

from his biography

Ralph’s early years were spent traveling with his father buying feed and getting kicked in the head by cattle.

Okay ,, so I edited it a tad, but at least that would explain it

"Ralph has been a tireless crusader for the cause of freedom for most of his life. He is 85 years old now. Most people at his age would be retired and letting others take up the baton. Not Ralph. He can’t wait to start the next project. "

He should be standing on his lawn shouting at schoolkids...

Kronocide Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:55:17am

re: #4 Expand Your Ground

They have no monopoly on it...

True, but they have significant market share.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:56:13am

re: #7 Expand Your Ground

"Ralph has been a tireless crusader for the cause of freedom for most of his life. He is 85 years old now. Most people at his age would be retired and letting others take up the baton. Not Ralph. He can’t wait to start the next project. "

He should be standing on his lawn shouting at schoolkids...

He's dead Jim.

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:57:36am

re: #7 Expand Your Ground

He should be standing on his lawn shouting at schoolkids...

Thats my main hobby!

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:58:40am

Hmmm, where is the mention of anyone in the Bush administration and their role in these foreign policy induced deaths?

researchok Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:58:54am

re: #6 Gus

Crazy. Reminds me of Antiwar.com rhetoric. The anti-war right.

Line of the month.

No kidding.

wrenchwench Sat, Jul 28, 2012 10:59:03am

re: #6 Gus

Crazy. Reminds me of Antiwar.com rhetoric. The anti-war right.

Lew Rockwell approves.

July 28, 2012
Telling the Truth Is Controversial
Posted by Lew Rockwell on July 28, 2012 09:17 AM

A billboard in Idaho compares the Batman shooter's 12 murders to Obama's many thousands. Good for the Ralph Smeed Foundation for putting it up. Ralph, God rest his soul, was a great libertarian, a dedicated Paulian, and a good friend to the Mises Institute and LRC. (Thanks to Bob Delaney)

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:00:10am

re: #7 Expand Your Ground

He can’t wait to start the next project.

Drooling and eating mashed peas!

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:00:24am

re: #14 sattv4u2

He can’t wait to start the next project.

Drooling and eating mashed peas!

or vice versa

wrenchwench Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:00:52am

re: #7 Expand Your Ground

He should be standing on his lawn shouting at schoolkids...

He's pushing up the lawn.

Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:01:11am

Well, they have to have something to distract the faithful from the monumental failure of the UN gun-grab conspiracy.

researchok Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:01:54am

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

For about 10 minutes.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:03:37am

re: #13 wrenchwench

Lew Rockwell approves.

It's dumb. It doesn't matter to me if they put up Obama up there or Bush. There is no moral equivalence. As for going too far all I can say is that it's well within their 1st Amendment rights to be, well, stupid.

Shiplord Kirel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:06:23am

I can see them now, hunkered down in their bunkers, surrounded by cases of MREs and 5.56 ammo, waiting for the ACORN zombies and UN blue helmets to come for their guns.

"What's that, Clem? The UN couldn't draft a treaty?"
"'Fraid so, Joe Bob, but Obama's still worse than the Colorado shooter so we gotta' stay preee-pared."
"They ain't comin' up the street just yet then anyways. Here, hold my beer while I git out of this damn hot vest."

Charles Johnson Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:07:31am

Testing MP3 embedding in Spy Mode...

MP3 Audio

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:07:44am

OT I got an error message that said I had a virus and that I needed to download a "special" program to get rid of it. I did not download it. Has anyone else seen or received this message?

SpaceJesus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:07:57am

wait. having a state is a bad thing?

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:08:52am

re: #19 Gus

Agreed, it's stupid and tasteless to put up any billboard of this nature. I merely note that their memories appear to be extremely selective.

blueraven Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:08:57am

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

OT I got an error message that said I had a virus and that I needed to download a "special" program to get rid of it. I did not download it. Has anyone else seen or received this message?

I have had similar...dont download anything.

I have shutdown my computer and re-started.

SpaceJesus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:09:21am

here is what it's like to not have a real working state and live in anarcho-capitalism you dumb libertarian motherfuckers

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:09:56am

Fucking idiots.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:10:04am

re: #25 blueraven

I ran my scan and defraged the system and it seems to be fine.

Mattand Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:12:50am

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

OT I got an error message that said I had a virus and that I needed to download a "special" program to get rid of it. I did not download it. Has anyone else seen or received this message?

Where did the error message originate? Was it on a web page? If you're using Windows, did it pop up in the tray at the bottom of the screen?

You did the right thing by not clicking/downloading. You may want to run your virus checker ASAP.

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:13:51am

Sarah Palin Gives Thumbs Up To Anti-Gay Chick-fil-A

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:14:29am

re: #29 Mattand

I was at Weather Underground when it happened. I just shut down everything and ran my diagnostics and now everything seems to be running fine. The message was in the center of the screen.

wrenchwench Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:15:03am

re: #19 Gus

It's dumb. It doesn't matter to me if they put up Obama up there or Bush. There is no moral equivalence. As for going too far all I can say is that it's well within their 1st Amendment rights to be, well, stupid.

Anti-war extremists are so often racists. They must be people who are so used to being top dog, they figure that with the state out of the way, they'll still be on top. Then they try to come up with some sciencey stuff to confirm this, ie: other races are weaker and less smart. They call that "race realism". Delusional. Yet, people who are ignorant (usually very young too) are attracted to the peaceful sounding anti-war rhetoric. It's sad and tragic.

William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:15:33am

Reminds me of the drivel being spewed by an Anarcho-Syndicalist that used to post at a lefty gun site I read. Don't 'you know there's no difference between Obama & Mittens because he uses drones to kill terrorists? Feh. He'd probably agree with this sign.

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:16:53am

re: #23 SpaceJesus

wait. having a state is a bad thing?

depends on what you're stating!

nines09 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:24:14am

They can't really do much more to prove they are completely insane can they? Libertarian. Isn't that a secret word actually meaning "As Nutty As a BIG Jar of Extra Crunchy Peanut Butter"?

Mattand Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:24:28am

re: #31 PhillyPretzel

I was at Weather Underground when it happened. I just shut down everything and ran my diagnostics and now everything seems to be running fine. The message was in the center of the screen.

Sounds like it was a browser pop up window. Probably nothing to worry about. Just keep your virus software up-to-date.

My dad got hit by one called Spy Axe a few years back. This one throws up a warning from the tray at the bottom of the Windows taskbar. He went ahead and "subscribed."

He got it from a friend of his, who he considered a computer "expert." The "expert's" advice was to go buy it. When I suggested he cancel his credit card, I was blown off, being told it was merely a life lesson.

And this is why I hate dealing with my family and the computers.

Killgore Trout Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:25:52am

Interesting video that I don't think has been seen before. I appears to be Hezbollah initiating the 2006 war with Israel.

EXCLUSIF ! le Hezbollah capture 2 soldats israeliens / hizbullah vs israel war 2006

Youtube Video

I assume there's a reason the video cuts off when they open the truck. Hezbollah isn't shy about starting the war but I assume even they recognize the treatment (or execution) of the soldiers might not look good.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:26:52am

re: #36 Mattand

I usually do not click on that sort of stuff. My step-mom does and the last time her brother who is a computer specialist, in Vancouver BC, had to clean it up.

Big Joe Ghazi Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:28:32am

Five WWII fighters just flew over my house in a V formation. Wings of Freedom tour is in town for it's annual summer visit.

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:30:01am

re: #39 Big Joe

OT

Five WWII fighters just flew over my house in a V formation. Wings of Freedom tour is in town for it's annual summer visit.

Thats just what they want you to think

In a few moments, once you start typing gibberish, they'll know the chemtrails worked!

Stoatly Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:33:53am

re: #23 SpaceJesus

wait. having a state is a bad thing?

It's certainly something every good programmer learns to treat with caution

simoom Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:37:46am

First Lady being lifted by U.S. Olympic wrestler Elena Pirozhkova:

Image: Ay6HxWmCEAE6wbr.jpg

dragonath Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:40:54am

For a group concerned about "liberty", it sure is funny how many cameras they have mounted on their billboard.

JamesWI Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:45:33am

re: #22 PhillyPretzel

OT I got an error message that said I had a virus and that I needed to download a "special" program to get rid of it. I did not download it. Has anyone else seen or received this message?

A few times in the past I've gotten a nasty virus sort of like that, where it would automatically download a fake anti-virus program (without my permission) that would shut everything down. Every time, it seemed to be through an exploit in Java.

Those were real bitches to deal with. Once they load up, they'd prevent you from opening any programs, especially browsers, to try to keep you from finding out how to get rid of it.

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:48:54am

re: #44 JamesWI

As I stated in my #31, I shut everything down and ran my diagnostics. As a matter of fact my computer is running better and faster now. :)

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:49:52am

re: #43 Fred Galt

For a group concerned about "liberty", it sure is funny how many cameras they have mounted on their billboard.

cameras are most likely for the highways depts. traffic monitoring system. In that many billboards have electricity for lighting, it's cheaper for the state to mount a camera on a commercial billboard rather than to erect their own tower and run the video and power cables to them

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:51:29am

re: #45 PhillyPretzel

As I stated in my #31, I shut everything down and ran my diagnostics. As a matter of fact my computer is running better and faster now. :)

Too late to enter it into the Olympics!?!?!

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:51:33am

Ralph Smeed, 85 year old small-government crank, owns one billboard on the edge of Caldwell Idaho.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:52:10am

re: #47 sattv4u2

probably. :(

dragonath Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:52:41am

re: #46 sattv4u2

Highway departments?!?

I SMELL BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALISM

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:56:05am

re: #50 Fred Galt

Highway departments?!?

I SMELL BIG GOVERNMENT SOCIALISM

buy some air fresheners!

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:57:05am

Durrr

Image: Screen-Shot-2012-07-28-at-1.55.jpg

Four More Tears Sat, Jul 28, 2012 11:58:28am

You are dead to us now, Phelps...

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:00:31pm

Romney has landed in Israel.

Four More Tears Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:01:22pm

re: #54 jaunte

Romney has landed in Israel.

I can picture him visiting the Wailing Wall and asking everyone "Why the long face?"

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:01:29pm

re: #54 jaunte

::: praying for Israel :::

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:01:59pm

re: #56 PhillyPretzel

:: gaffewatch begins ::

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:02:04pm

re: #55 Mocking Jay

Excuse me it is the Western Wall not Wailing Wall.

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:03:37pm

re: #48 jaunte

Ralph Smeed, 85 year old small-government crank, owns one billboard on the edge of Caldwell Idaho.
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

From the above link:

Soon after Pearl Harbor, he tried to enlist in the Army. By that time the only way you could get in was to make yourself available for the draft.

Could this possibly be true? It doesn't sound reasonable.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:04:15pm

re: #57 jaunte

:: gaffewatch begins ::

I heard he brought Bibi a gift of ham.

Lidane Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:04:25pm

re: #2 Kronocide

Not too out of line for Bachmann, Gomert, or any of several other GOP politicians to say.

My thoughts exactly. How is that billboard any different from what the GOP loons have been saying about President Obama since 2008?

PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:04:44pm

re: #60 Gus

Oy Vey.

Four More Tears Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:05:50pm

Tell them to hide the head of Mossad.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:06:27pm

re: #62 PhillyPretzel

Oy Vey.

Lidane Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:06:32pm

re: #26 SpaceJesus

here is what it's like to not have a real working state and live in anarcho-capitalism you dumb libertarian motherfuckers

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I knew a few anarcho-libertarian nutjobs that worshipped both Luap Nor and Ludwig von Mises. They actually defended Somalia as an example of a functioning society that has freed itself from the tyranny of the state.

Pointing out that the people in Somalia would rather be freed from the tyranny of the violent warlords and pirates in the area went on deaf ears.

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:06:36pm

re: #59 calochortus

Sounds like an administrative response to the problem of processing the huge load of volunteers and draftees in a national emergency. Special snowflakes became GIs.

After the war began, every man between the ages of 18 and 65 had to register for the draft. In this war, only men were liable for the draft. Women who served volunteered. Able-bodied men up to age 45 were liable for military service. Local draft boards were set up to process the registrants. Each registrant was given a classification indicating whether or not he was eligible to be drafted.
[Link: www.livinghistoryfarm.org...]

ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:09:29pm

Did you really need to say "crazy libertarian group?" Can't you just say "libertarian group?"

I can't even understand their point. I've seen more coherent arguments about how James Holmes was radicalized by his Presbyterian Church.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:11:02pm

So. Being that they're a libertarian group I'm sure they're pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and pro-pot.

Wait. Let me guess. Just one of these. If even that. We are talking Idaho here.

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:12:07pm

re: #66 jaunte

Yes, but I'm pretty sure a lot of men volunteered for the military after Pearl Harbor, and I can't recall reading that none were accepted.

ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:12:21pm

re: #55 Mocking Jay

All due respect, we don't call it the "Wailing Wall." Call it the "Western Wall" or the "Kotel."

I can't figure out why Romney visited during Tisha B'Av.

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:14:20pm

re: #69 calochortus

I'm guessing it's his response to 'why didn't you serve?' 'Oh, I tried, but the bureaucracy prevented it.'

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:16:01pm

OK. Why am I playing the Top Gun song in my head today?

//Take my breath away...

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:16:09pm

re: #69 calochortus

I think he's just complaining that he had to do paperwork that made him feel his enlisting wasn't special.

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:19:40pm

re: #72 Gus

OK. Why am I playing the Top Gun song in my head today?

//Take my breath away...

asthma attack?
loss of gravity at home and you've floated off??
stuck your head in toilet???

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:19:45pm

re: #73 jaunte

Maybe. A quick Google search shows that about 5 million men volunteered and another 10 million were eventually drafted. And since he implies, but doesn't actually come out and state that he was in the military, I'd guess he wasn't. Probably did essential war work at home or something. Not that there is anything wrong with doing essential war work, but his excuse is poor.

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:20:05pm

re: #55 Mocking Jay

I can picture him visiting the Wailing Wall and asking everyone "Why the long face?"

"Wailing Wall? I can't hear a thing."

simoom Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:21:05pm

After first complaining to one conservative UK paper about Prime Minister David Cameron ...

[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

David Cameron has failed to build alliances with the Republican Party and angered American conservatives with his "unprecedented" election-year embrace of Barack Obama, advisers to Mitt Romney have complained.

... the Romney camp is now whinging to another RW UK paper about the London Mayor:

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

A Romney campaign official has blasted Boris Johnson, the London Mayor, as an ‘eccentric, odd fellow’ whose public attack on the Republican candidate was ‘unbecoming’ and an indication of his bias towards President Barack Obama.

They seem incapable of just cutting their losses and letting it go.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:22:40pm

Romney campaign closes Israel fundraiser to press: politi.co/LV4Iu6 via @jmartpolitico
— POLITICO (@politico) July 28, 2012

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:24:58pm

Romney arrives in Israel. via the AP twitpic.com/actggh
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) July 28, 2012

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:25:00pm

re: #75 calochortus

This bio says he served; I guess he was volunteered and/or drafted after all.

Ralph Smeed was born in Caldwell, Idaho on December 30, 1921. He was troubled by the bureaucracy he saw firsthand when he served in the Army during World War II but his intellectual blossoming really began in the late ‘40s when James Gipson of the venerable Caxton Printers gave him copies of Frederic Bastiat’s “The Law,” FEE’s journal, “The Freeman,” and other libertarian materials.
[Link: www.fee.org...]

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:25:23pm

re: #78 Gus

[Embedded content]

Gee, I wonder why?

sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:26:31pm

re: #79 Gus

[Embedded content]

"via the AP"

The AirPlane???

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:26:38pm

re: #80 jaunte

This bio says he served; I guess he was volunteered and/or drafted after all.

I guess to be fair to Ralph Smeed and since he is dead now we really don't know if he would approve of this billboard. Most of what I've seen in the past has just been the text billboards.

calochortus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:26:56pm

re: #80 jaunte

Ahh, I missed that. Thanks.

Time to go run some errands.

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:28:27pm

re: #83 Gus

True; I don't think that group has made the same comparison of Mass Murderer to President ever in the past. Whatever could have changed?

simoom Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:29:16pm

re: #77 simoom

Also, are we seeing internal campaign acrimony leaking into the public?

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

The campaign official, who was not directly involved organising the London trip, that that the Romney campaign had not prepared sufficiently for ‘a visit of this magnitude’ and that the candidate had not been briefed properly on how to answer questions about the staging of the Olympics.

‘What he gave was the honest assessment of the situation based on his previous experience. Unfortunately in a diplomatic context that's not the sort of thing that should have been coming out of the candidate's mouth. It was bad messaging and media prep.’

The trip should have been a straightforward one, he said. ‘You show up, you smile, you do photo ops, you talk about the special relationship, the deep bonds that connect us and then you go home, or in this case on to Israel and Poland.

‘Unfortunately, it shows that the campaign by solely focussing on jobs has really neglected foreign policy and international affairs.’

He said that the campaign had not had a dedicated protocol adviser ‘to ensure there were no snafus’, such as when Romney addressed Ed Miliband, the Opposition leader, as ‘Mr Leader’ and when he stated he had been briefed by the head of MI6.

‘The first rule of diplomacy is that when you're in a foreign country you get titles and forms of address correct.

‘It played into some stereotypical impressions of Americans, that they’re ignorant of local concerns, that they don’t get names or titles right.’

'Sounds like one part of the domestic policy team is hitting at the foreign policy team.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:30:55pm

re: #85 jaunte

True; I don't think that group has made the same comparison of Mass Murderer to President ever in the past. Whatever could have changed?

Maybe more of a younger more reactionary group?

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:31:51pm

re: #86 simoom

Americans don't care what the foreign press has to say - Bobby Jindal
/

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:32:30pm

The candidate we can trust!

The campaign’s decision to close the fundraiser to the press violates the ground rules it negotiated with news organizations in April, when Romney wrapped up the Republican nomination and began opening some of his finance events to the news media.

Under the agreement, a pool of wire, print and television reporters can cover every Romney fundraiser held in public venues, including hotels and country clubs. The campaign does not allow media coverage of fundraisers held in private residences.

Campaign spokesman Rick Gorka declined to explain the campaign’s decision to violate protocol with the Jerusalem event.

b_Snark Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:33:16pm

re: #68 Gus

So. Being that they're a libertarian group I'm sure they're pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and pro-pot.

Wait. Let me guess. Just one of these. If even that. We are talking Idaho here.

Is that Potataho?

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:34:15pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Is that Potataho?

AKA East Oregon

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:34:25pm

re: #89 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

The candidate we can trust!

How can Mitt have a frank discussion about the Muslim Brotherhood and how Israel needs to attack Iran with reporters listening in and gossiping?

b_Snark Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:37:44pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Is that Potataho?

Does no one do Lexx anymore?

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:38:44pm

re: #93 b_sharp

Does no one do Lexx anymore?

Not after Eva Habermann left the show.

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:39:22pm

Blech. Just saw some photos from that Afghan hospital investigation.

b_Snark Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:41:13pm

re: #94 Kragar

Not after Eva Habermann left the show.

What was wrong with Xenia Seeberg?

dragonath Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:41:45pm

re: #77 simoom

Oh, that's rich, calling Boris Johnson "odd". That's probably something called "sincerity", something Romney appears to totally lack.

Really, expecting other right wing parties to show solidarity when "Number #1" shows up is just asking for trouble.

Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:42:29pm

re: #96 b_sharp

What was wrong with Xenia Seeberg?

She was no Eva Habermann

jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:43:03pm

Romney bans media from Jerusalem fundraiser, violating pre-established protocol

...Romney’s campaign announced Saturday that it would block the news media from covering the event, which will be held at the King David Hotel. The campaign’s decision to close the fundraiser to the press violates the ground rules it negotiated with news organizations in April, when Romney wrapped up the Republican nomination and began opening some of his finance events to the news media.

100

Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:43:44pm

Annnnnd we're off. As noted above...

Romney bans media from Jerusalem fundraiser, violating pre-established protocol

JERUSALEM — Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, who touched down here Saturday night for a day of meetings with top Israeli and Palestinian leaders, plans to wrap up his visit to Israel by collecting money from some of his biggest benefactors behind closed doors.

Some of Romney’s Jewish donors are flying here from the United States to attend the Jerusalem fundraiser on Monday morning, including Las Vegas casino mogul Sheldon Adelson, who has pledged to personally give tens of millions of dollars to a pro-Romney super PAC.

But Romney’s campaign announced Saturday that it would block the news media from covering the event, which will be held at the King David Hotel. The campaign’s decision to close the fundraiser to the press violates the ground rules it negotiated with news organizations in April, when Romney wrapped up the Republican nomination and began opening some of his finance events to the news media....

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Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:44:11pm

re: #99 jaunte

Romney bans media from Jerusalem fundraiser, violating pre-established protocol

Hey! Knock it off.

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Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:48:12pm

Nice. "Secret" campaign donor meeting in a foreign country. Comforting. Really democratic. Open. Transparent...

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Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:50:11pm

re: #102 Gus

Nice. "Secret" campaign donor meeting in a foreign country. Comforting. Really democratic. Open. Transparent...

Its not like Romney has any ties to people with extremist views regarding the region.

Wait a sec...

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Amory Blaine Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:53:56pm

Winning Hearts And Minds

Horror Hospital: The Most Shocking Photos And Testimony From The Dawood Military Hospital Scandal

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Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:54:38pm

re: #104 Amory Blaine

Winning Hearts And Minds

Horror Hospital: The Most Shocking Photos And Testimony From The Dawood Military Hospital Scandal

That's the one.

WARNING!

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jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:54:42pm

50k per couple.

Summer pilgrimages to Jerusalem by aspiring commanders in chief are standard fare — Mr. Obama came here almost exactly four years ago — but the inclusion of a fund-raiser is more unusual. Organizers say there will be 20 to 30 people at the $50,000-per-couple event at the posh King David Hotel, including American citizens who live part time or full time here, and some American Jews, led by the billionaire Sheldon Adelson, who are flying over for the visit.

Among those expected are Sander Gerber, a hedge fund financier and former Democrat who was a significant fund-raiser for President George W. Bush in 2004; Cheryl Halpern of Livingston, N.J., a former chairwoman of the Republican Jewish Coalition and vocal backer of Israel; and J. Philip Rosen, a partner in the New York law firm Weil, Gotshal & Manges who owns a home here and gives frequently to Republican candidates.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

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Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:57:49pm

re: #104 Amory Blaine

Winning Hearts And Minds

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Fucking bastards.

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PhillyPretzel Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:58:27pm

re: #106 jaunte

50k would pay off my house. Hmm. I wonder... never mind.

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Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 12:59:30pm

re: #108 PhillyPretzel

50k would pay off my house. Hmm. I wonder... never mind.

Some people call it an annual salary. These people call it a dinner.

There is something wrong with that.

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jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:02:25pm

re: #109 Kragar

It looks like Adelson is getting something for his money:
[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

I wonder what the others will get.

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Amory Blaine Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:04:58pm

re: #110 jaunte

Dead link.

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jaunte Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:06:43pm

re: #111 Amory Blaine

Thanks; I think it's fixed now if you reload.

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Gus Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:10:45pm

BBL

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:12:39pm

re: #11 calochortus

Hmmm, where is the mention of anyone in the Bush administration and their role in these foreign policy induced deaths?

Well, Bush is no longer president. My question is, do these guys have a demonstrated record of criticizing him in over-the-top and offensive language when he was in office? Or did they just discover being anti-war?

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:16:02pm

re: #55 Mocking Jay

I can picture him visiting the Wailing Wall and asking everyone "Why the long face?"

When Obama was in Israel before the election, he put a prayer in the Wall, and someone retrieved it and published it. Maybe Romney should mix his in with a batch of them.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:16:59pm

re: #70 ReamWorks SKG

All due respect, we don't call it the "Wailing Wall." Call it the "Western Wall" or the "Kotel."

I can't figure out why Romney visited during Tisha B'Av.

It would have made more sense to do England-Poland-Israel, and come in to Israel after the fast.

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Kragar Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:18:13pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

It would have made more sense to do England-Poland-Israel, and come in to Israel after the fast.

You forget. Mitt is a twit.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:18:26pm

re: #99 jaunte

Romney bans media from Jerusalem fundraiser, violating pre-established protocol

Thereby deeply endearing himself to the Israeli press, who are known for cooperating with irritating foreign dignitaries.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:21:23pm

He had to scale back the fundraiser in England. I wonder how many people will actually show up at the Jerusalem dinner.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:29:19pm

Going to be an interesting trip. Netanyahu is clearly trying to make it clear he's not Romney's bestest buddy. There is going to be one, contained, photo op.

Mitt'll be meeting with Peres and Fayyad as well. And he'll be giving a 'foreign policy address', to which the press have also apparently not been invited.

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Amory Blaine Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:34:06pm

This is Mitts only good shot at polishing his CiC cred.

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The Questionable Timing of a Flea Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:38:17pm

Romney's first Israel gaffe is retroactive:

ROMNEY: “We can almost speak in shorthand. We share common experiences and have a perspective and underpinning which is similar.”

~Mitt Romney, April 2012 in the New York Times.

versus

NETANYAHU: “I remember him [Romney] for sure, but I don’t think we had any particular connections, I knew him and he knew me, I suppose.”

~Bibi Netanyahu, July 2012 in Vanity Fair Interview, (middle of Page 4)

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Mattand Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:45:30pm

re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist

Going to be an interesting trip. Netanyahu is clearly trying to make it clear he's not Romney's bestest buddy. There is going to be one, contained, photo op.

Mitt'll be meeting with Peres and Fayyad as well. And he'll be giving a 'foreign policy address', to which the press have also apparently not been invited.

Because there's nothing the American voter likes more than waiting until Inauguration Day as to what a candidate's foreign policy will be.

Christ in a cracker, this guy just continues to demonstrate that he what a spoiled, entitled brat he is. Can you just imagine the howls of protest if Obama behaved like this?

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Sophia77 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:46:21pm

Billboard is disgusting.

Romney, please keep your mouth shut. The Middle East is no place to make verbal faux pas.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Jul 28, 2012 1:48:22pm

re: #124 Sophia77

Billboard is disgusting.

Romney, please keep your mouth shut. The Middle East is no place to make verbal faux pas.

Honestly, I don't think he can do much harm in Israel. He'll undoubtedly piss many people off, but...eh.

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sattv4u2 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 2:05:07pm

re: #109 Kragar

Some people call it an annual salary. These people call it a dinner.

There is something wrong with that.

You could have won a chance to have dinner at Sarah Jessica Parkers house with the President for $3 iirc

(although ,, if you didn't win the raffle you would have had to pay 40K!!!)

[Link: nymag.com...]

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ReamWorks SKG Sat, Jul 28, 2012 2:07:54pm

re: #108 PhillyPretzel

You should have a $50K/couple fundraiser to pay off your mortgage! You only need to find one couple to succeed.

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Varek Raith Sat, Jul 28, 2012 2:11:41pm

Elena picked up the First lady twitter.com/ClarissaChun/s…

— Clarissa Chun (@ClarissaChun) July 27, 2012

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Bubblehead II Sat, Jul 28, 2012 4:34:05pm

re: #68 Gus

So. Being that they're a libertarian group I'm sure they're pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, and pro-pot.

Wait. Let me guess. Just one of these. If even that. We are talking NORTHERN Idaho here.

ftfy. Not all of us Idahoans are conservative bigots.

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Romantic Heretic Sat, Jul 28, 2012 4:51:08pm

re: #35 nines09

They can't really do much more to prove they are completely insane can they? Libertarian. Isn't that a secret word actually meaning "As Nutty As a BIG Jar of Extra Crunchy Peanut Butter"?

Nah. Libertarianism is a rebranding. I regard them as anarchists.

The rebranding was clever though. By renaming themselves they no longer carry the weight of history. Anarchism doesn't have a good rep after all.

Also, it sets the debate before it starts. By using 'liberty' as the root word of their new brand name if you argue against them you are arguing against the very concept of liberty itself. Which only evil people can do.

As I said, clever of them. Unethical, but clever.

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Romantic Heretic Sat, Jul 28, 2012 4:55:14pm

re: #65 Lidane

I knew a few anarcho-libertarian nutjobs that worshipped both Luap Nor and Ludwig von Mises. They actually defended Somalia as an example of a functioning society that has freed itself from the tyranny of the state.

Pointing out that the people in Somalia would rather be freed from the tyranny of the violent warlords and pirates in the area went on deaf ears.

That's because most of those nut jobs believe that in such a state they'd be the violent warlords.

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majii Sat, Jul 28, 2012 5:33:29pm

One of the things I find very strange about some on the right is the fact that if OBL were alive and had carried out another terrorist attack on U.S. soil, the same people who put up this billboard would be first in line to call for President Obama's hide. They don't seem to realize that they can't have it both ways. They can't ask for a president to keep us safe and condemn him for doing so at the same time. I'm not 100% in agreement with the president using drones that have killed so many innocent people, but I'm not so close-minded that I don't understand that part of the reason he uses drones so frequently is to protect the lives of as many of our military personnel as possible. He can use the drones to fight terrorists, or he can send in troops to do it. I prefer the former. I find it ironic that the political party that always talks about how much they love and support the military think nothing of putting their lives in danger in as many conflicts/wars as they can think of.

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labman57 Sat, Jul 28, 2012 6:03:21pm

That's the nature of our First Amendment of the Constitution. Freedom of expression is an inherent right -- nowhere in the Bill of Rights does it have an asterisk with the following exclusion: " ... unless you are a racist ass hat itching to promote fear and hatred of the POTUS."

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