Romney Decides It's More Politically Expedient Not to Ban the Press

Romney Decides It’s More Politically Expedient Not to Ban the Press

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After being severely criticized for his decision to ban the press from his meeting with mega-rich right wing donors in Jerusalem, Mitt Romney has flipped, flopped, and reversed his decision: Romney to Allow Press Into Israel Fundraiser After All.

JERUSALEM — Mitt Romney’s campaign has reversed a decision to not allow the media into a fundraiser here Monday morning, bowing to reporters’ demand that they be allowed to record the Republican’s address to some of his top donors.

Romney press aide Rick Gorka told the candidate’s travelling press corps Sunday afternoon that they’d be allowed to have a pool reporter at the breakfast event in the King David hotel.

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107 comments

jaunte Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:38:29am

Mr. Consistent.

Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:39:11am

Except, The reporter will be kicked out before Romney takes questions from the audience.

So it's kinda like, listen to my speech but you don't get to report on all the more... 'interesting' questions and answers I give.

Not good enough.

Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:41:06am

re: #1 jaunte

Mr. Consistent.

Retroactively. Of course.

Amory Blaine Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:54:15am

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Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:03:57am

re: #2 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Except, The reporter will be kicked out before Romney takes questions from the audience.

So it's kinda like, listen to my speech but you don't get to report on all the more... 'interesting' questions and answers I give.

Not good enough.

Obama does the same thing too.
Obama attends two area fundraisers

The president spoke for only a few minutes before taking questions from the audience. Reporters were escorted from the area as the questions were to begin.

I guess the questions at these events are not screened before hand so there's a higher chance of something embarrassing happening.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:05:22am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Did Obama ban them first and then let the press in when he realized what a f*ckup that would be?

Obdicut Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:05:56am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Speaking before a well-heeled crowd at a private home in Hunts Point, Obama described in broad terms his differences with presidential hopeful Mitt Romney, whom he did not name.

Mitt is speaking at a hotel. He'd previously negotiated with reporters that they'd be allowed into any event that was in a public place, like a hotel.

Varek Raith Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:12:11am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Here we go with the false equivalency.
Again.
This was explained to you last night.

Henchman 25 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:13:36am

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

Political Atheist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:17:06am

Can you imagine this guy at a superpower summit with Putin or the Chinese in a militarily tense situation? This man does not have the chops to govern a superpower. Not on his best day.

efuseakay Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:19:36am

Cowering in fear from the media. Imagine if there was a real crisis...

William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:25:18am

re: #10 Daniel Ballard

Can you imagine this guy at a superpower summit with Putin or the Chinese in a militarily tense situation? This man does not have the chops to govern a superpower. Not on his best day.

Oh, Putin wouldn't be a problem. He'd have died laughing at the Mittens in the White House ... \

Obdicut Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:26:10am

re: #11 efuseakay

Cowering in fear from the media. Imagine if there was a real crisis...

To be fair, I think it's perfectly okay for would-be-presidents to meet privately with donors. I don't think we should allow unlimited donations, or any sort of corporate spending, but that's the situation we've got. Meeting privately isn't bad, as long as the candidate doesn't exclusively do so.

In this case, it is just another weird Romney fuck-up because, after negotiating that press would be allowed into any public event, they arbitrarily changed the rules for this one. Not only is this a "So, we can't even trust you on the small things?" moment, it's also creates a big "Why?".

blueraven Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:26:12am

Maybe he is trying to change the subject. The fact that he cancelled the meeting with Yacimovich at the last minute is much more relevant IMO.

Ming Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:26:38am

re: #11 efuseakay

Cowering in fear from the media. Imagine if there was a real crisis...

A real crisis? No problem. President Romney would blame it all on Barack Obama. With full 24 / 7 backup from Fox News.

moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:27:06am

Mitt Romney wants to keep his fundraisers secret, but doesn't know not to speak in public about meeting with MI6?

This guy gets more palinesque every day.

Obdicut Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:27:35am

re: #14 blueraven

Maybe he is trying to change the subject. The fact that he cancelled the meeting with Yacimovich at the last minute is much more relevant IMO.

Yes. Canceling, at very short notice, on the opposition leader is a direct insult, and a very stupid one. It's basically saying the opposition leader and the people he represents don't matter, that Bibi's faction is the only important one for a would-be president to meet.

sagehen Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:27:46am

What happens to Shroedinger's Candidate if nobody's allowed to look in the box?

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:27:46am

re: #9 Artist

Is it lonely up there on your pedestal?

(s)HE SPEAKS!!!!

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:28:26am

re: #14 blueraven

Maybe he is trying to change the subject. The fact that he cancelled the meeting with Yacimovich at the last minute is much more relevant IMO.

Maybe he was scared he would forget the fellow's name...

Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:31:49am

re: #14 blueraven

Maybe he is trying to change the subject. The fact that he cancelled the meeting with Yacimovich at the last minute is much more relevant IMO.

Agreed. There might have been a last minute scheduling conflict but if he did cancel the meeting on such short notice it's very rude.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:33:54am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Agreed. There might have been a last minute scheduling conflict but if he did cancel the meeting on such short notice it's very rude.

OH,, btw ,, I meant to tell you. I can't come over in an hour like I said !!

///

Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:34:24am

re: #22 sattv4u2

OH,, btw ,, I meant to tell you. I can't come over in an hour like I said !!

///

I'll be so lonely on my pedestal.

Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:34:53am

Congrats Mitt, you just pissed off the Arab world.

In Israel, Romney declares Jerusalem to be capital

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:34:59am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I'll be so lonely on my pedestal.

No worries

You'll attract a lot of pigeons!

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:35:34am

Don't forget, folks: it's Obama who's the REAL amateur here.

Varek Raith Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:37:42am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I'll be so lonely on my pedestal.

Funny how you dodge any point brought against your argument.
;)

blueraven Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:40:56am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Agreed. There might have been a last minute scheduling conflict but if he did cancel the meeting on such short notice it's very rude.

It's more than rude.

moderatelyradicalliberal Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:41:27am

re: #24 Kragar

Congrats Mitt, you just pissed off the Arab world.

In Israel, Romney declares Jerusalem to be capital

That's a plus with wingnuts and no doubt a requirement for Mr. Adelson's continued approval and financial support.

simoom Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:53:08am

The entire Team USA basketball team hugged Michelle Obama one-by-one in the stands at the game today. buzzfeed.com/jpmoore/first-…

— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) July 29, 2012

efuseakay Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:54:12am

re: #13 Obdicut

To be fair, I think it's perfectly okay for would-be-presidents to meet privately with donors. I don't think we should allow unlimited donations, or any sort of corporate spending, but that's the situation we've got. Meeting privately isn't bad, as long as the candidate doesn't exclusively do so.

In this case, it is just another weird Romney fuck-up because, after negotiating that press would be allowed into any public event, they arbitrarily changed the rules for this one. Not only is this a "So, we can't even trust you on the small things?" moment, it's also creates a big "Why?".

Nothing wrong with private fundraisers. Everything wrong with a candidate pussing out like Romney just did. No spine. Like a snake.

Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:02:10pm

re: #31 efuseakay

Nothing wrong with private fundraisers. Everything wrong with a candidate pussing out like Romney just did. No spine. Like a snake.

Snakes have a lot of spine actually. And ribs as well. Maybe you want to compare him to some sort of invertebrate instead?

Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:08:58pm

re: #32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Snakes have a lot of spine actually. And ribs as well. Maybe you want to compare him to some sort of invertebrate instead?

A nematode?

PhillyPretzel Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:12:19pm

Mitt Romney the plastic candidate.

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:14:09pm

re: #32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Snakes have a lot of spine actually. And ribs as well. Maybe you want to compare him to some sort of invertebrate instead?

there's always teddy roosevelt's remark that mckinley had the backbone of a chocolate eclair

dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:14:38pm

re: #5 Killgore Trout

Obama does the same thing too.
Obama attends two area fundraisers

I guess the questions at these events are not screened before hand so there's a higher chance of something embarrassing happening.

Um, I think that's kind of the idea. Reporters are supposed to be independent, they're not supposed to ask questions fed to them by any politician or his/her campaign in advance. They should also not be required to give the candidate or his/her campaign their questions beforehand.

Personally, I think a major part of running for/being President is contending with situations and questions you never knew were coming.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:17:52pm

re: #36 dragonfire1981

Um, I think that's kind of the idea. Reporters are supposed to be independent, they're not supposed to ask questions fed to them by any politician or his/her campaign in advance. They should also not be required to give the candidate or his/her campaign their questions beforehand.
Personally, I think a major part of running for/being President is contending with situations and questions you never knew were coming.

They should not, but it's been that way for a long long time now

efuseakay Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:20:24pm

re: #32 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Snakes have a lot of spine actually. And ribs as well. Maybe you want to compare him to some sort of invertebrate instead?

Sorry. I meant worm. It's easy to mistake him for either. ;)

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:22:49pm

re: #36 dragonfire1981

Personally, I think a major part of running for/being President is contending with situations and questions you never knew were coming.

the romney campaign is still in the learning phase. they should be able to shake out the gltches and get their campaign on a professional basis by, oh, say about christmas...

2senseplain Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:24:38pm

She, guys. The (former) opposition leader,Shelley Yacimovich is a she. She's giving up the post of opposition leader back to Shaul Mofaz because Mofaz bolted the coalition (hard to explain. Israeli politics has a fair percentage of Lewis Caroll and Kafka in it). And while I, and a lot of people like her, more despite her (liberal) social policies than otherwise--she's a decent and honest soul--her only previous experience is as a radio show host. And what's left of the Labor faction that she heads is on the way out. It may have been rude to have stood her up but from a practical viewpoint, quite understandable considering how many people he's trying to see in way too little time.

Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:25:20pm

re: #36 dragonfire1981

Um, I think that's kind of the idea. Reporters are supposed to be independent, they're not supposed to ask questions fed to them by any politician or his/her campaign in advance. They should also not be required to give the candidate or his/her campaign their questions beforehand.

Personally, I think a major part of running for/being President is contending with situations and questions you never knew were coming.

American politicians usually aren't very good at unscripted questions because it's not part of our political culture. Even during the debates the candidates usually know what's going to be asked of them. Giuliani was a rare example of an American who handled questions well, mostly from practice at press conferences as NY Mayor.
In the UK, there's a regular feature where the Prime Minister goes into Parliament and they pelt him with questions. It's kind of fun to watch. We should do the same thing here.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:26:30pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

In the UK, there's a regular feature where the Prime Minister goes into Parliament and they pelt him with questions. It's kind of fun to watch. We should do the same thing here.

it would be more fun if the pelting was with soft fruits!!!

Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:27:26pm

re: #42 sattv4u2

In the UK, there's a regular feature where the Prime Minister goes into Parliament and they pelt him with questions. It's kind of fun to watch. We should do the same thing here.

it would be more fun if the pelting was with soft fruits!!!

But have you been trained in how to react when someone attacks you with fruit?

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:27:29pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

re: #42 sattv4u2

In the UK, there's a regular feature where the Prime Minister goes into Parliament and they pelt him with questions. It's kind of fun to watch. We should do the same thing here.

it would be more fun if the pelting was with soft fruits!!!

or Nerf balls

simoom Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:28:21pm

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Muir: You are here on what some have termed your world audition and democrats, not surprisingly, continue to hammer you back home on taxes, you remain firm two years and two years only. So from what you have released and from what we have seen we know that there was one year when you paid about 13.9% tax rate. Can we clear this up by asking a simple yes or no question? Was there ever any year when you paid lower than 13.9%?

Romney: I haven't calculated that. I'm happy to go back and look but my view is I've paid all the taxes required by law. From time to time I've been audited as happens I think to other citizens as well and the accounting firm which prepares y taxes has done a very thorough and complete job pay taxes as legally due. I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president. I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.

Muir: You said you would go back and look, would you look for us?

Romney: I haven't looked at the tax rate paid year by year. I know that I pay a very substantial amount of taxes and every year since the beginning of my career so far as I can recall.

Am I wrong in assuming there's zero chance that he's going to follow through on that?

Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:30:21pm

re: #43 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

But have you been trained in how to react when someone attacks you with fruit?

They have classes for that.

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:33:02pm

magic 8 ball says mitt is not winning the election at this point

real clear politics poll average hasn't had him ahead since last october

that's the sum of a lotta polls

dragonath Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:34:31pm

Republicans have been holding screened events since at least the Bush Adminisration. Usually at public places, like schools, fairgrounds, etc.

I was at one where the the Young Republicans were functioning as "security".

That was weird.

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:35:19pm

mitt is also flunking electoral college, which, unlike ivy league universities, doesn't give special admission advantages to children of rich and famous people

JAFO Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:35:19pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

American politicians usually aren't very good at unscripted questions because it's not part of our political culture. Even during the debates the candidates usually know what's going to be asked of them. Giuliani was a rare example of an American who handled questions well, mostly from practice at press conferences as NY Mayor.
In the UK, there's a regular feature where the Prime Minister goes into Parliament and they pelt him with questions. It's kind of fun to watch. We should do the same thing here.

Republicans tried that once.

It didn't work out too well for them.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:38:36pm

re: #47 engineer cat

magic 8 ball says mitt is not winning the election at this point

real clear politics poll average hasn't had him ahead since last october

that's the sum of a lotta polls

The spread right now is 1.6% Obama ahead, well within any margin of error
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Since April when Obama had a 6+ point lead over Mitt (or any repub) it has steadily shrunk

Political Atheist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:40:24pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

That should be a part of both our primary and general election seasons. Questions in advance just become scripted. Yawn. That vets his or her staff more than the candidate, IMO.

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:40:52pm

re: #41 Killgore Trout

American politicians usually aren't very good at unscripted questions because it's not part of our political culture.

really? since when?

sagehen Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:42:23pm

re: #45 simoom

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

Am I wrong in assuming there's zero chance that he's going to follow through on that?

He's lying.

When that sort of question is asked of that sort of person, "I don't know" is absolutely not a true answer. He knows. He absolutely knows. He'd rather we not know.

Not just he doesn't want us to know how much he specifically paid, he doesn't want us to know how rigged the entire tax code is with all the Special Richie Rich provisions that they lobbied ("in a quiet back room") to sneak in that they hoped we'd never notice.

"Everything required by the law", for him, is a substantially lower percentage than for the rest of us.

to quote what Jack Abramoff said about lobbying -- "the real scandal is what's *not* illegal."

Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:44:04pm

Mitt Romney will stand up to China on day one...

b_sharp Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:44:14pm

re: #23 Killgore Trout

I'll be so lonely on my pedestal.

I'm So Ronery
So ronery
So ronery and sadry arone ...

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:44:26pm

re: #51 sattv4u2

The spread right now is 1.6% Obama ahead, well within any margin of error
[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]
Since April when Obama had a 6+ point lead over Mitt (or any repub) it has steadily shrunk

The spread

not really. but in any case, it has never gone away, and the lead can't just "shrink" if mitt is to win

Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:44:59pm

re: #55 Mocking Jay

Mitt Romney will stand up to China on day one...

and offer them his seat.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:45:36pm

re: #57 engineer cat

What do you mean "not really"

You cited the Real Clear Politics average. As of yesterday that stood at 1.6%, the lowest range it's been

sagehen Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:46:00pm

change of pace:

lip-sync vid from the US Swim Team:

Youtube Video

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:46:39pm

RCP Average

7/9 - 7/28

OBAMA 46.6

ROMNEY 45.0

Obama +1.6

Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:46:53pm

re: #58 Kragar

You win the internet today.

gwangung Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:49:31pm

re: #61 sattv4u2

RCP Average

7/9 - 7/28

OBAMA 46.6

ROMNEY 45.0

Obama +1.6

Just remember, error bars are for the sampling of ONE POLL. Not as informative if multiple polls are showing the same results.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:51:46pm

re: #63 gwangung

Just remember, error bars are for the sampling of ONE POLL. Not as informative if multiple polls are showing the same results.

true, but engineer cat cited the RCP average as indicitive, and even though each poll has their own margin of error (usually within a point of each other) the average still would fall within eny normal MOE.

gwangung Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:53:44pm

re: #64 sattv4u2

true, but engineer cat cited the RCP average as indicitive, and even though each poll has their own margin of error (usually within a point of each other) the average still would fall within eny normal MOE.

You don't average that.

The meaning of error bars is that if you took multiple samplings, the majority of those samplings would fall within those bars.

Well, remember, you're taking multiple samplings here....

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:55:13pm

re: #65 gwangung

You don't average that.

The meaning of error bars is that if you took multiple samplings, the majority of those samplings would fall within those bars.

Well, remember, you're taking multiple samplings here...

yes, and if you look at the chart all the individual polls (except for the NBC/ WSJ) one falls within their own largin of error

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:55:32pm

re: #59 sattv4u2

What do you mean "not really"

You cited the Real Clear Politics average. As of yesterday that stood at 1.6%, the lowest range it's been

you can only claim that it is steadily shrinking if you ignore the fact that it hasn't "steadily" anything - obama's lead has gone up and down repeatedly, the whole time - in fact, it's gone up just in the past week

and if you think you can derive some prediction of future direction from the fact that the margin is narrower now than it was in april, you don't understand the nature of polls. i could just as easily have said that romney went from being a half a point ahead in oct 2011 to five points behind in march of 2012, but as you can see that trend didn't "predict" anything

mitt has been behind the entire year and i've never heard of a challenger who's won with that kind of start

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:55:35pm

Hey all!

Still allergied out.

And Mitt, once again, is for it, after he was against it?

you?

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:56:25pm

re: #67 engineer cat

funny though how YOU introduced it as having meaning!!

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:56:34pm

re: #66 sattv4u2

yes, and if you look at the chart all the individual polls (except for the NBC/ WSJ) one falls within their own largin of error

one poll has a margin of error. this is the average of dozens of polls

the margin of error, mathematically, shrinks with every poll that you add in

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:57:07pm

re: #70 engineer cat

one poll has a margin of error. this is the average of dozens of polls

the margin of error, mathematically, shrinks with every poll that you add in

again,, YOU introduced the RCP average!

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:57:41pm

re: #70 engineer cat

re: #71 sattv4u2

again,, YOU introduced the RCP average!

From your 47

real clear politics poll average hasn't had him ahead since last october

darthstar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:58:39pm

Finished my first triathlon this morning. 1:27:10. 1/2 mile swim, 9 mile ride, 2 mile run...lost a ton of time on the swim as I wasn't prepared for all the people around me and found myself stopping to let other swimmers pass as I didn't like all the bumping in the water. Probably added a good four or five minutes to my swim. But the water was warm (63 degrees) and several people swam it without a wetsuit. Didn't stick around to get my split times, but I think my transitions were good - slipped out of my wetsuit quickly, and the bike to run transition was all of two minutes. Of course, there are people who completed the entire thing in under 45 minutes, but they've also got about 3% body fat and are really fucking fast...me, I'm just a fast fucker(wait, what?).

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:58:46pm

re: #69 sattv4u2

funny though how YOU introduced it as having meaning!!

i didn't foolishly cite a "trend" as a prediction of future direction

i just said that the average of all polls has shown mitt as BEHIND ALL THE TIME, and therefore at this point it don't look like he's a-winning, eh?

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 12:59:48pm

re: #73 darthstar

congrats

Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:00:14pm

re: #73 darthstar

Finished my first triathlon this morning. 1:27:10. 1/2 mile swim, 9 mile ride, 2 mile run...lost a ton of time on the swim as I wasn't prepared for all the people around me and found myself stopping to let other swimmers pass as I didn't like all the bumping in the water. Probably added a good four or five minutes to my swim. But the water was warm (63 degrees) and several people swam it without a wetsuit. Didn't stick around to get my split times, but I think my transitions were good - slipped out of my wetsuit quickly, and the bike to run transition was all of two minutes. Of course, there are people who completed the entire thing in under 45 minutes, but they've also got about 3% body fat and are really fucking fast...me, I'm just a fast fucker(wait, what?).

Training to out run/swim/bike the zombies. A good idea. (Or actually just be faster than some other meatsack who gets to be the meal instead of you.
;)

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:00:29pm

re: #73 darthstar

Finished my first triathlon this morning. 1:27:10. 1/2 mile swim, 9 mile ride, 2 mile run...lost a ton of time on the swim as I wasn't prepared for all the people around me and found myself stopping to let other swimmers pass as I didn't like all the bumping in the water. Probably added a good four or five minutes to my swim. But the water was warm (63 degrees) and several people swam it without a wetsuit. Didn't stick around to get my split times, but I think my transitions were good - slipped out of my wetsuit quickly, and the bike to run transition was all of two minutes. Of course, there are people who completed the entire thing in under 45 minutes, but they've also got about 3% body fat and are really fucking fast...me, I'm just a fast fucker(wait, what?).

Congrats, I'm ready to go back to my nap just ready about it! Whew!

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:00:43pm

re: #71 sattv4u2

again,, YOU introduced the RCP average!

the average of dozens of polls hasn't lead to a lead for mitt since last october

i'm not making a prediction - my original comment read as follows:

magic 8 ball says mitt is not winning the election at this point

if you re-read what i posted, i didn't make any predictions

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:01:52pm

re: #78 engineer cat

the average of dozens of polls hasn't lead to a lead for mitt since last october

i'm not making a prediction - my original comment read as follows:

magic 8 ball says mitt is not winning the election at this point

if you re-read what i posted, i didn't make any predictions

So instead of reasoned analysis you're calling on your Magic 8 ball skilzz ,,,
got it!

{sigh}

Ojoe Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:02:27pm

Way to go Mitt !

Holidays are Family Fun Time Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:02:45pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

So instead of reasoned analysis you're calling on your Magic 8 ball skilzz ,,,
got it!

{sigh}

Well, it's probably just as useful as any poll or "professional" anaysis these days --no?

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:02:52pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons!

researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:03:08pm

re: #73 darthstar

Finished my first triathlon this morning. 1:27:10. 1/2 mile swim, 9 mile ride, 2 mile run...lost a ton of time on the swim as I wasn't prepared for all the people around me and found myself stopping to let other swimmers pass as I didn't like all the bumping in the water. Probably added a good four or five minutes to my swim. But the water was warm (63 degrees) and several people swam it without a wetsuit. Didn't stick around to get my split times, but I think my transitions were good - slipped out of my wetsuit quickly, and the bike to run transition was all of two minutes. Of course, there are people who completed the entire thing in under 45 minutes, but they've also got about 3% body fat and are really fucking fast...me, I'm just a fast fucker(wait, what?).

I've never done triathlon but I am very, very fast with a tv remote.

sattv4u2 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:04:19pm

re: #83 researchok

I've never done triathlon but I am very, very fast with a tv remote.

triathlon

1) race to the fridge to get a beer
2) race to the remote so you're in control
3) race to the recliner and sit back

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:04:29pm

re: #79 sattv4u2

So instead of reasoned analysis you're calling on your Magic 8 ball skilzz ,,,
got it!

{sigh}

somebody is getting frustrated!

wrenchwench Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:05:29pm

re: #73 darthstar

Congratulations! Have you signed up for the next one yet?

Ojoe Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:05:46pm

re: #47 engineer cat

magic 8 ball says mitt is not winning the election at this point

real clear politics poll average hasn't had him ahead since last october

that's the sum of a lotta polls

Except, Obama is in Herbert Hoover's position vis a vis the economy, and he's probably going to be a one term president. I think this has been true since January 20, 2008.

researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:05:50pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

And, I can also handle pizza at the same time.

Some guys got it, some don't.

What can I say?

darthstar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:08:29pm

re: #86 wrenchwench

Congratulations! Have you signed up for the next one yet?

Our next will be the Tinley triathlon in Sept or October...it's a lake swim down near San Luis Obispo.

wrenchwench Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:12:11pm

re: #89 darthstar

Our next will be the Tinley triathlon in Sept or October...it's a lake swim down near San Luis Obispo.

You need more of those seals to swim with you while training. Lots of 'em, all crowded around.

researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:12:53pm

re: #90 wrenchwench

As long as the aren't hungry.

Varek Raith Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:16:16pm

re: #87 Ojoe

Except, Obama is in Herbert Hoover's position vis a vis the economy, and he's probably going to be a one term president. I think this has been true since January 20, 2008.

Except your aren't taking into account the fact that the GOP is batshit crazy this election.
Oh, and the financial crisis was caused by deregulation, something Mitt promises to continue.
GOP policy caused this recession.

engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:17:03pm

re: #87 Ojoe

Except, Obama is in Herbert Hoover's position vis a vis the economy, and he's probably going to be a one term president. I think this has been true since January 20, 2008.

except, the economy was going great guns when hoover took office

except, the thing about hoover was that he didn't have any answers and he didn't seem to care

Ojoe Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:26:31pm

re: #93 engineer cat

I'll grant you your first point.

TedStriker Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:33:36pm

re: #7 Obdicut

Mitt is speaking at a hotel. He'd previously negotiated with reporters that they'd be allowed into any event that was in a public place, like a hotel.

You're talking to a brick wall on this, Obdi...it's pretty obvious that KT is in the tank, no matter what.

He's got his mind set, just like with Occupy, facts/evidence be damned.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:39:30pm

re: #17 Obdicut

Yes. Canceling, at very short notice, on the opposition leader is a direct insult, and a very stupid one. It's basically saying the opposition leader and the people he represents don't matter, that Bibi's faction is the only important one for a would-be president to meet.

I'm not sure Mitt understands that Netanyahu is not Prime Minister for Life. It doesn't seem to occur to him (or the folks who think of his special friendship with Bibi as an enormous asset) that sooner or later there will be a new PM.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:40:19pm

re: #20 Expand Your Ground

Maybe he was scared he would forget the fellow's name...

Yachimovich is a lady. Bibi would have noticed.

Romantic Heretic Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:34pm

One of these days Romney is going to hurt himself with these frequent, sudden changes of direction.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:43:02pm

re: #29 moderatelyradicalliberal

That's a plus with wingnuts and no doubt a requirement for Mr. Adelson's continued approval and financial support.

Obama said the same in 2008, with no assistance from Mr. Adelson, and no bounce from the wingnuts. Le shrug.

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Romantic Heretic Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:44:44pm

re: #24 Kragar

Congrats Mitt, you just pissed off the Arab world.

In Israel, Romney declares Jerusalem to be capital

Jesus Christ! Why doesn't he just concede now?

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Romantic Heretic Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:46pm

re: #33 Kragar

A nematode?

Nematodes are often useful.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:00:28pm

re: #100 Romantic Heretic

Jesus Christ! Why doesn't he just concede now?

He did not say if he would order the embassy moved if he wins the White House, but strongly suggested so in a CNN interview.

"My understanding is the policy of our nation has been a desire to move our embassy ultimately to the capital (Jerusalem)," he said, adding, "I would only want to do so and to select the timing in accordance with the government of Israel."

He's providing a good photo op with no promises for the future. This is absolutely par for the course. I hate to go all MBF, but this is an area where MBF is instructional.

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Mich-again Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:08:39pm

re: #45 simoom

You are here on what some have termed your world audition and democrats, not surprisingly, continue to hammer you back home on taxes, you remain firm two years and two years only.

Its really just one year of taxes that Mitt made public. Mitt said he would show 2011 taxes, but they aren't done yet. He says it takes most of 2012 to figure out how much he made in 2011. That in itself is something most Americans can't quite understand. But in the world of retroactive retirements, there's no telling how difficult it can be to figure out how much money you made last year.

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Archangelus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:25:23pm

re: #40 2senseplain

Um, since taking the party lead and since Shaul Mofaz ended up king of his increasingly shrinking little hill formerly known as the Kadima party (which is in shambles now), Israeli polls show the Labor party under Yechimovich coming close to tying with Netanyahu's Likud. Which, for the record, would have been an impossibility in the past decade. Not exactly what i'd call being on the way out...

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:33:57pm

re: #93 engineer cat

except, the economy was going great guns when hoover took office

except, the thing about hoover was that he didn't have any answers and he didn't seem to care

Also, Hoover took over from Calvin "the business of government is business" Coolidge, a member of his own party who'd been in power for eight years.

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Skandal Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:03:26pm

re: #100 Romantic Heretic

On Wednesday morning, Sen. Barack Obama, D-Illinois, told the pro-Israel lobby the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that he would be a strong ally of the Jewish state. As such, he repeated one of the talking points AIPAC likes to hear, that "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided."

How is Romney's statement re: Jerusalem any different than what Obama said 4 years ago when he first ran for President?

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jamesfirecat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:18:50pm

re: #87 Ojoe

Except, Obama is in Herbert Hoover's position vis a vis the economy, and he's probably going to be a one term president. I think this has been true since January 20, 2008.

By "Herbert Hoover" I believe you mean "FDR" since after all Obama inherted a huge recession while helping the economy improve under his watch, but not able to fix things fast enough all the same.

In what way is he like Hebert Hoover to you?

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