2 | researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:11:09pm |
re: #1 ggt
Do I have to explain everything??
//
3 | darthstar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:14:35pm |
Actually, Charles, we've already begun implementing the cloud 2.0
(yes, this is actually on a wall in our office)
5 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:16:58pm |
I'm torn between two ways of doing something in a bash script. Should I use:
NAME=$(echo ${f} | sed -r "s;${JSPATH}(.*)\.js;\1;")
...or:
NAME=$(expr ${f} : ${JSPATH}'\(.*\)\.js')
?
The second method is shorter, but the expr command is deprecated and not used much any more.
What to do?
6 | Mattand Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:18:56pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
I'm torn between two ways of doing something in a bash script. Should I use:
[Embedded content]
?
The second method is shorter, but the expr command is deprecated and not used much any more.
What to do?
Future proof and go with the first method.
7 | darthstar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:22:17pm |
BTW, I ended up buying the 55" Vizio yesterday when I went to Costco. Fucking thing is huge in the room where we have it. We're calling a contractor friend to come carve a hole in the living room wall for it...but I do like it...and it's only about an inch and a half thick.
8 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:23:37pm |
cloud computing
sexy name, boring technology
10 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:27:31pm |
11 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:28:16pm |
Cloud computing. No thanks. I have my PC -- it could be a Mac -- and it's self contained. I don't have to subscribe to any service for software or whatever application I may need. Once it's installed I can use it for many years without having to be chained to a subscription requiring the use of a debit or credit card. Same goes with storage. I want storage I'll use my hard drive.
12 | SmithCommaJohn Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:29:40pm |
re: #10 Kragar
Its got 1000 capacity.
My cloud only has 500 capacity. I think I'll head down to my local Wal-Mart and ask one of their knowledgeable sales associates to help me pick the best cloud.
13 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:31:03pm |
re: #12 SmithCommaJohn
My cloud only has 500 capacity. I think I'll head down to my local Wal-Mart and ask one of their knowledgeable sales associates to help me pick the best cloud.
Don't forget to upgrade your G while you're at it.
15 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:33:26pm |
As usual, I will be dragged kickin' and screamin' into the future when there is no other choice.
I still haven't learned how to turn on our new TV. Life shouldn't be so hard!
16 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:35:24pm |
I have iCloud Match - it's pretty cool to have access to your whole music library without having to sync any devices.
I also use Amazon Cloud Player - any MP3s you buy from Amazon are automatically available in the cloud.
I'm also using Dropbox, which is basically a cloud system. Very handy for auto-syncing passwords between different computers and mobile devices with 1Password.
The new Mountain Lion OS has a feature where you can share tabs among browsers through the cloud.
I'm pretty cloud-enabled over here. Living on cloud 9 in cloud cuckoo land.
17 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:36:14pm |
There was a blurb on the news about an alderman's office being broken into recently. The hardware was stolen, but the data was in the "cloud" and there were no worries about back-ups or stolen private information.
I could see the advantage in that situation.
18 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:37:49pm |
'cloud' is useful as an access-anywhere technology, and has its points in terms of backup, but as an engineering problem it's strictly for those who are interested in high bandwidth and exxtreme reliability intertubes
20 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:40:34pm |
re: #10 Kragar
Its got 1000 capacity.
I'll wait for true 10 bit technology that'll give 1024 capacity.
21 | wrenchwench Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:09pm |
Personally, I don't believe in haircuts, but this one is cool.
22 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:18pm |
re: #16 Charles Johnson
I have iCloud Match - it's pretty cool to have access to your whole music library without having to sync any devices.
I also use Amazon Cloud Player - any MP3s you buy from Amazon are automatically available in the cloud.
I'm also using Dropbox, which is basically a cloud system. Very handy for auto-syncing passwords between different computers and mobile devices with 1Password.
The new Mountain Lion OS has a feature where you can share tabs among browsers through the cloud.
I'm pretty cloud-enabled over here. Living on cloud 9 in cloud cuckoo land.
I use ownCloud 4.0 on CentOS 6.2
23 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:37pm |
I have an older girlfriend (61) who is a software geek. How she keeps up is beyond me and rather humbling.
She found Dropbox a while back and uses it. One of her phones was not compatible with the Cloud. No matter where she goes everything is synced and accessible between all her devices.
24 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:43:23pm |
re: #21 wrenchwench
Personally, I don't believe in haircuts, but this one is cool.
He has a weasel sitting on his head.
25 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:43:52pm |
re: #21 wrenchwench
Personally, I don't believe in haircuts, but this one is cool.
Is THAT what we would see if removed the xtra from Blagohair's head? I always knew it was really a furry animal controlling him.
26 | researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:05pm |
re: #11 Gus
Cloud computing. No thanks. I have my PC -- it could be a Mac -- and it's self contained. I don't have to subscribe to any service for software or whatever application I may need. Once it's installed I can use it for many years without having to be chained to a subscription requiring the use of a debit or credit card. Same goes with storage. I want storage I'll use my hard drive.
It's the privacy thing that irks me.
There isn't any, notwithstanding what they might say or promise.
It is a Pandora's Box.
27 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:33pm |
re: #17 ggt
There was a blurb on the news about an alderman's office being broken into recently. The hardware was stolen, but the data was in the "cloud" and there were no worries about back-ups or stolen private information.
I could see the advantage in that situation.
Until somebody hacks into that cloud.
28 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:40pm |
for personally the challenge these days is to make the leap from years and years of desktop application development in c++ and java to learning servlet development ground up - fortunately while getting paid for it
i have a 1000 page book on javascript right here and i'm enuf of a nerd to be excited about reading it
30 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:48:16pm |
re: #28 engineer cat
for personally the challenge these days is to make the leap from years and years of desktop application development in c++ and java to learning servlet development ground up - fortunately while getting paid for it
i have a 1000 page book on javascript right here and i'm enuf of a nerd to be excited about reading it
I thought javascript is on its way out and HTML5 is about to become the new codeGod?
31 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:49:03pm |
some first impressions of javascript:
types?? we don't need no steenking types!
object oriented language, lexical scope - huwhat?
32 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:49:21pm |
re: #20 b_sharp
I'll wait for true 10 bit technology that'll give 1024 capacity.
Nobody likes my geek jokes.
34 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:51:14pm |
re: #31 engineer cat
some first impressions of javascript:
types?? we don't need no steenking types!
object oriented language, lexical scope - huwhat?
C++ is a lower level language.
35 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:51:23pm |
I think it's a good idea to encrypt any private data you store in a cloud. The 1Password file, for example, uses very strong encryption so that even if somebody hacks into the cloud servers they probably won't be able to get into the passwords.
36 | wrenchwench Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:52:15pm |
re: #24 b_sharp
He has a weasel sitting on his head.
I assumed it was a lizard, probably because I got it from a herpetologist. Definitely fuzzy for a lizard.
37 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:52:21pm |
re: #35 Charles Johnson
I think it's a good idea to encrypt any private data you store in a cloud. The 1Password file, for example, uses very strong encryption so that even if somebody hacks into the cloud servers they probably won't be able to get into the passwords.
The gauntlet has been dropped.
38 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:54:08pm |
re: #30 b_sharp
I thought javascript is on its way out and HTML5 is about to become the new codeGod?
so far the only thing i know so far about html5 as opposed to trad html is that you can specify cool validators for entry fields that execute client side
but also - when developing in c++ or java desktop, pretty much the entire application tends to be in c++ or java
when developing servlets, it seems, the whole thing is a dog's breakfast of java, xml, css, html, javascript, a dozen different flavors of jsp scripting libraries, properties files, the mysterious and powerful abilities of tomcat and other controllers, and random little known technologies added in by the shop you're working in
39 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:54:48pm |
40 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:55:01pm |
re: #36 wrenchwench
I assumed it was a lizard, probably because I got it from a herpetologist. Definitely fuzzy for a lizard.
It looks like the form of a salamander, but lizards don't have hair so it must be alien.
41 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:55:29pm |
re: #31 engineer cat
some first impressions of javascript:
types?? we don't need no steenking types!
object oriented language, lexical scope - huwhat?
Javascript does have types, it's just very forgiving if you abuse them. It's possible to code with strict typing even in Javascript, but the language doesn't really enforce it.
A great little book that helped me understand Javascript is JavaScript: The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford.
43 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:56:57pm |
re: #38 engineer cat
so far the only thing i know so far about html5 as opposed to trad html is that you can specify cool validators for entry fields that execute client side
but also - when developing in c++ or java desktop, pretty much the entire application tends to be in c++ or java
when developing servlets, it seems, the whole thing is a dog's breakfast of java, xml, css, html, javascript, a dozen different flavors of jsp scripting libraries, properties files, the mysterious and powerful abilities of tomcat and other controllers, and random little known technologies added in by the shop you're working in
Sneak in some PHP 5 while you're at it.
44 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:58:05pm |
re: #41 Charles Johnson
Javascript does have types, it's just very forgiving if you abuse them. It's possible to code with strict typing even in Javascript, but the language doesn't really enforce it.
A great little book that helped me understand Javascript is JavaScript: The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford.
mucho thx for the tip!
45 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:58:05pm |
re: #39 engineer cat
c is the only real programming language!
The granddaddy of many languages. My first language was 'Action!' which was a minimalist version of C.
47 | Romantic Heretic Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:01:17pm |
re: #11 Gus
Cloud computing. No thanks. I have my PC -- it could be a Mac -- and it's self contained. I don't have to subscribe to any service for software or whatever application I may need. Once it's installed I can use it for many years without having to be chained to a subscription requiring the use of a debit or credit card. Same goes with storage. I want storage I'll use my hard drive.
I like using iCloud.
Last week I treated myself to dinner. While I was eating I did some writing on my iPad. Got home, grabbed the changes off the cloud and continued where I left off.
One of the main reasons I'll be getting Mountain Lion soon is that the process will be completely automatic. All my documents will be the same no matter what device I'm working on.
48 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:04:29pm |
The books I'm reading right now are on HTML, PHP, C#, Bash and MySQL.
I don't think I could handle any more excitement than that.
49 | austin_blue Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:06:27pm |
re: #48 b_sharp
The books I'm reading right now are on HTML, PHP, C#, Bash and MySQL.
I don't think I could handle any more excitement than that.
The book I'm reading right now is on this stuff called "paper".
It's pretty cool technology!
50 | Romantic Heretic Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:07:44pm |
re: #45 b_sharp
The granddaddy of many languages. My first language was 'Action!' which was a minimalist version of C.
My first was BASIC. Worked with a lot of others but I liked Pascal and 4th Dimension the best. Especially the latter. They claimed it was a DBMS but the things you could do with that. Suhweeet.
Unfortunately C pretty much drove everything else out of the world, and I hate C with the burning heat of a thousand suns.
51 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:08:45pm |
re: #49 austin_blue
The book I'm reading right now is on this stuff called "paper".
It's pretty cool technology!
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Books can only be read on computers, tablets, phones and eReaders.
52 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:09:17pm |
will check back when youse guys get back into politics. I am strictly end-user...I don't even like downloading & installing software unless it is unavoidable...
53 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:11:20pm |
re: #52 Expand Your Ground
will check back when youse guys get back into politics. I am strictly end-user...I don't even like downloading & installing software unless it is unavoidable...
To the tar pits with ya, ya dinosaur!
//
54 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:11:43pm |
re: #50 Romantic Heretic
My first was BASIC. Worked with a lot of others but I liked Pascal and 4th Dimension the best. Especially the latter. They claimed it was a DBMS but the things you could do with that. Suhweeet.
Unfortunately C pretty much drove everything else out of the world, and I hate C with the burning heat of a thousand suns.
In University they start you out on BASIC and Pascal, but I found BASIC too limiting and spaghetti codish and Pascal didn't allow inline Assembler to access hardware (yes in the old days we had to deal with hardware directly).
I really liked C, and excelled at COBOL, even though I hated it.
55 | austin_blue Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:13:00pm |
re: #51 b_sharp
Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Books can only be read on computers, tablets, phones and eReaders.
Tablets? Ha ha! Talk about old! Moses had those!
56 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:13:57pm |
re: #55 austin_blue
Tablets? Ha ha! Talk about old! Moses had those!
These are the new chiselless type.
57 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:20:26pm |
re: #39 engineer cat
c is the only real programming language!
C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.
:D
59 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:23:26pm |
re: #57 William Barnett-Lewis
C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.
:D
Next you'll be telling us he used EMACs.
60 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:24:13pm |
re: #57 William Barnett-Lewis
C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.
:D
I haven't LISPed since 1994.
61 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:27:15pm |
63 | engineer cat Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:37:08pm |
re: #57 William Barnett-Lewis
C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.
:D
many years ago i brought a date back to my apartment. she looked at my bookcase, and then got a funny expression on her face
she thought it was creepy that i seemed to have such a deep interest in speech impediments
64 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:39:31pm |
re: #63 engineer cat
many years ago i brought a date back to my apartment. she looked at my bookcase, and then got a funny expression on her face
she thought it was creepy that i seemed to have such a deep interest in speech impediments
You should have told her you were multilingual.
Then explained it means more than one tongue.
65 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:42:04pm |
re: #35 Charles Johnson
I think it's a good idea to encrypt any private data you store in a cloud. The 1Password file, for example, uses very strong encryption so that even if somebody hacks into the cloud servers they probably won't be able to get into the passwords.
Same, same with LastPass.
Helluva deal for 13 bucks a year for LastPass Premium (which includes access to their mobile apps and no ads), though the free browser-only version is also very serviceable (their browser plugins are 32- and 64-bit, and support every major browser, including Opera).
66 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:48:22pm |
OT:
Romney Says Jerusalem Is Capital, Would Move Embassy There
“A nation has the capacity to choose its own capital city, and Jerusalem is Israel’s capital,” Romney said. “I think it’s long been the policy to ultimately have our embassy in the nation’s capital of Jerusalem.”
Romney said the timing of the move would be worked out. “I would follow the same policy we have had in the past, our embassy would be in the capital, and the timing of that is something I would want to work out with the government,” Romney said.
67 | Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:50:28pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice
They could keep a cloud-based back-up capital in Tel Aviv just in case, right?
68 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:55:59pm |
Testing a little something...
NAME=$(echo ${f} | sed -r "s;${JSPATH}(.*)\.js;;")
69 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:56:37pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice
“I think it’s long been the policy to ultimately have our embassy in the nation’s capital of Jerusalem.”
Except for the slight fact the policy for about the last 4 decades has been no such thing.
70 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:56:39pm |
OK, who can tell me what that Linux command line does?
71 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:57:29pm |
re: #70 Charles Johnson
OK, who can tell me what that Linux command line does?
Turns authority of America's nuclear arsenal over to Skynet?
//
72 | Stoatly Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:58:02pm |
Since it's all gone geekesque I'll link to the most interesting talk I've seen in a long time (Though I doubt it's of interest to many on LGF, and I had to lean on Google to understand much of what he was on about myself)
Simple Made Easy
(The title is misleading, it should be "Simple isn't easy, but it's worth it in the long run" or something)
I came across it as I've just got interested in Functional Programing which has re-kindled my interest in the whole programing thing
Though this tongue in cheek piece has a point
73 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:01:21pm |
The variable $f
is a filename with a complete path appended to it, like this:
/path/to/javascript/file.js
74 | Romantic Heretic Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:02:38pm |
re: #66 Targetpractice
OT:
Well, okay Mitt. If you want.
But the next time a nation takes land from another nation by force you can't complain. Not without acting like a complete hypocrite.
Oh, wait.
75 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:10:49pm |
re: #42 Amory Blaine
Get off of my cloud!!!
[/shakes fist]
Does everyone get their own cloud in heaven?
76 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:12:18pm |
I just shredded 4 more garbage bags of paper.
What did you accomplish?
*sneeze*
77 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:15:39pm |
re: #73 Charles Johnson
The variable
$f
is a filename with a complete path appended to it, like this:
/path/to/javascript/file.js
You are weirdly using ';' instead of '/' as a delimiter.
Looks like you're making every file passed as an argument into a .js file.
Why?
78 | researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:16:53pm |
re: #74 Romantic Heretic
And exactly why did they take that land by force?
79 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:17:42pm |
re: #72 Stoatly
Since it's all gone geekesque I'll link to the most interesting talk I've seen in a long time (Though I doubt it's of interest to many on LGF, and I had to lean on Google to understand much of what he was on about myself)
Simple Made Easy
(The title is misleading, it should be "Simple isn't easy, but it's worth it in the long run" or something)I came across it as I've just got interested in Functional Programing which has re-kindled my interest in the whole programing thing
Though this tongue in cheek piece has a point
You might enjoy this paper as well:
[Link: www.jwz.org...]
It's Richard Gabriel's famous "Worse is Better".
80 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:19:31pm |
re: #77 b_sharp
You are weirdly using ';' instead of '/' as a delimiter.
Looks like you're making every file passed as an argument into a .js file.Why?
I think you're stripping the .js off.
81 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:20:46pm |
re: #77 b_sharp
You are weirdly using ';' instead of '' as a delimiter.
Looks like you're making every file passed as an argument into a .js file.Why?
sed lets you use any character as a delimiter instead of the default / - in this case the variable $JSPATH contains slashes, and using semi-colons lets me avoid having to escape the slashes in the variable.
82 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:21:55pm |
re: #80 b_sharp
I think you're stripping the .js off.
Actually, stripping off both the preceding path and the .js extension, leaving just the name. In the example:
/path/to/javascript/file.js
... it returns:
file
83 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:23:40pm |
re: #82 Charles Johnson
Actually, stripping off both the preceding path and the .js extension, leaving just the name. In the example it returns
file
.
I just figured that out about 10 seconds ago by running the script on a Linux system. Cheating I know but sed isn't perfectly clear to me.
84 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:24:21pm |
re: #78 researchok
And exactly why did they take that land by force?
The official US position on Jerusalem since 1967 has been they would not recognized it as the capital until negotiations as to its status have been held.
Clinton and Bush both made statement while running for office that they would move the embassy, then once elected, maintained the policy of keeping it in Tel Aviv.
Mitt's comments are as predictable as they are ludicrous.
85 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:24:58pm |
re: #81 Charles Johnson
sed lets you use any character as a delimiter instead of the default / - in this case the variable $JSPATH contains slashes, and using semi-colons lets me avoid having to escape the slashes in the variable.
Actually, that is a better solution than the slash.
86 | researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:27:31pm |
re: #84 Kragar
All true and I'm not questioning that.
My question was in response to the comment alluded to.
87 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:28:20pm |
That's a line from the new updater/versioning script I've been developing for the LGF Blog system.
88 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:29:40pm |
89 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:38:02pm |
Who has the popcorn?
90 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:40:45pm |
re: #89 Kragar
Who has the popcorn?
Simply for foisting her on the rest of the country for the next umpteen years the GOP should be denied the Oval Office for at least 20 years as a penalty.
91 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:40:59pm |
re: #88 ggt
Sounds like TMI.
You know what they say: if you can't fsck the one you love, fsck the one you're with...
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92 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:43:07pm |
re: #90 ggt
Simply for foisting her on the rest of the country for the next umpteen years the GOP should be denied the Oval Office for at least 20 years as a penalty.
GOP is in the penalty box for a 5-year major...
/I blame Canada
93 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:43:15pm |
For the heck of it I'm using Mountain Lion's new dictation feature for this comment
Let's see if it can handle contractions and pronouns and all those other grammatical types of things without a lot of hassle what about punctuation
I see punctuation is a problem
94 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:44:00pm |
But amazingly it doesn't seem to misspell anything all the words are spelled correctly
95 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:44:17pm |
re: #93 Charles Johnson
For the heck of it I'm using Mountain Lion's new dictation feature for this comment
Let's see if it can handle contractions and pronouns and all those other grammatical types of things without a lot of hassle what about punctuation
I see punctuation is a problem
So my kid downloaded it yesterday and says I have to as well.
Think I'll make him do the work.
96 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:45:10pm |
re: #94 Charles Johnson
But amazingly it doesn't seem to misspell anything all the words are spelled correctly
Try "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" and jabberwok.
or two, to and too
I got it.
I-CEE, Iced Tea and Hi-C
97 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:46:30pm |
re: #89 Kragar
Who has the popcorn?
AllahPundit sez....
Both Palin and Cheney are beloved by the conservative base, so I’m not sure which will get beat up more over this commentary. I’d guess that the Left is passing the popcorn this morning.
The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.
98 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:46:46pm |
99 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:46:57pm |
Maybe you can say the punctuation?
Ha ha! That's it!!
100 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:47:01pm |
re: #97 Killgore Trout
AllahPundit sez...
The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a
politicaldisaster the womanwasis. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.
ftfy
and her voice is damn irritating.
101 | Varek Raith Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:53:41pm |
re: #97 Killgore Trout
AllahPundit sez...
The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.
You're just mad you can't were gold pantaloons anymore.
:P
102 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:53:45pm |
re: #97 Killgore Trout
AllahPundit sez...
The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.
AP is either clueless or lying when he says that Cheney is still "beloved" by conservatives. Many self-avowed "conservatives" may still dig him, but I'd have to venture a guess that just as many, if not more, decided to turn their back on Darth Cheney once his daughter Mary came out and he showed support for her, instead of publicly disowning her..
103 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:56:21pm |
re: #102 TedStriker
AP is either clueless or lying when he says that Cheney is still "beloved" by conservatives. Many self-avowed "conservatives" may still dig him, but I'd have to venture a guess that just as many, if not more, decided to turn their back on Darth Cheney once his daughter Mary came out and he showed support for her, instead of publicly disowning her..
like Alan Keyes?
104 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:58:53pm |
re: #102 TedStriker
AP is either clueless or lying when he says that Cheney is still "beloved" by conservatives. Many self-avowed "conservatives" may still dig him, but I'd have to venture a guess that just as many, if not more, decided to turn their back on Darth Cheney once his daughter Mary came out and he showed support for her, instead of publicly disowning her..
I think AP is just yanking his reader's chains.
105 | Targetpractice Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:05:38pm |
re: #97 Killgore Trout
AllahPundit sez...
The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.
Darth Cheney's 'bout as loved as syphilis these days in the conservative ranks, while Caribou Barbie is still yapping to the empty seats that the reason why the party wouldn't invite her to Tampa next month is because they're mad at the things she's saying about campaign finance.
106 | Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:05:43pm |
re: #5 Charles Johnson
I'm torn between two ways of doing something in a bash script. Should I use:
[Embedded content]
?
The second method is shorter, but the expr command is deprecated and not used much any more.
What to do?
Way, way, way late to this party, but:
I thought I knew bash (almost always a mistake, apparently) but I didn't even know that the expr version was possible. Not using sed when you can use sed seems a bit like enduring kidney stones when you don't have to endure kidney stones. However, I must say that using a semicolon as a delimiter in a sed statement is somewhat jarring to the eye, all things considered.
Never mind.
107 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:11:51pm |
I got some email saying my twitter password needs to be reset because there was a breach in security. I never use twitter and forgot I had an account.
Should I believe the email? It just sounded wrong.
108 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:12:23pm |
Hiya Lizards!
Back home and pretty exhausted. I heard it was 107 today in Oklahoma.
I sure missed Summer around here.
109 | Mattand Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:14:25pm |
re: #108 Digital Display
Hiya Lizards!
Back home and pretty exhausted. I heard it was 107 today in Oklahoma.
I sure missed Summer around here.
My better half is from Texas and claims OK is a southern state. I say it's a Midwestern state. Who's correct?
111 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:17:20pm |
re: #109 Mattand
My better half is from Texas and claims OK is a souther state. I say it's a Midwestern state. Who's correct?
Well.. I've only been here for about 2 years ( time flies)
But everything around here generally says Southern Plains.
112 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:17:28pm |
re: #106 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire
However, I must say that using a semicolon as a delimiter in a sed statement is somewhat jarring to the eye, all things considered.
Saves the step of escaping the path that's in $JSPATH. I think it's a POSIX standard that regex delimiters should be flexible -- PHP allows different ones too. If you're working with paths, it makes the regex a lot more readable without the backslashes.
113 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:20:26pm |
The South Test:
Mention Sherman. If you have to run, you're in the South.
115 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:26:46pm |
re: #74 Romantic Heretic
Well, okay Mitt. If you want.
But the next time a nation takes land from another nation by force you can't complain. Not without acting like a complete hypocrite.
Oh, wait.
In a defensive war, and the country that it was taken from now considers it a third party's property, but never mind that...
Obama made the same speech, in 2008, and it meant as little then. Love Mitt, hate him, but let's not pretend this was a Special Wingnut Message.
116 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:29:56pm |
Dancing with the Stars' producer 'wonders' about Bristol Palin
Bristol Palin, the daughter of former governor/former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, has gotten strong reactions regarding her return to ABC’s Dancing with the Stars this fall.
Deena Katz, producer of Dancing with the Stars: All-Stars, was asked if Palin would be just as polarizing in her return appearance on the show.
"I don't know. I wonder about her," Katz said. "I wonder about everyone. These guys were the charm of their season....Do they all have the effect they have before? It's not just Bristol. It's all of them. [...]
Kate Gosselin, Kirstie Alley and Pamela Anderson will be among the others who will be seen on the show’s dance floor starting Sept. 24.
"I just think that God provides opportunities like this and you can either do them or not do them. I figure the press will talk about me no matter what, so I may as well have some fun," Palin said.
God provides opportunities to be on a show with Pamela Anderson?
117 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:32:46pm |
re: #113 Kragar
The South Test:
Mention Sherman. If you have to run, you're in the South.
You know what I will miss about Oklahoma..There are so many Indian Nations here. A rich history checkered in an American Tragedy like the trail of tears.
Because there are so many Casinos here and political influence there is constantly Public service commercials on TV about the Indian Nations.
It has been very educational.
118 | watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:34:05pm |
Hp cloud capacity is only 1000? What good is that, everyone knows that you need Over 9000!
/sorry, but someone had to say it...
119 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:35:27pm |
re: #117 Digital Display
"Indian Territory" is what it was once called.
Oklahoma's history is one of those things in which Mitt Romney thinks America has done no wrong....
120 | Big Joe Ghazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:41:21pm |
Not a gaffe!
Mitt Romney Campaign Scraps $50,000 Per Plate Jerusalem Fundraiser On A Jewish Fasting Day
Jonny Daniels, a leading Republican political strategist in Israel, told The Huffington Post that the campaign had been aware of the date of the holiday when it scheduled the fundraiser. The campaign thought it could hold the event in a way that would not offend, he said, but was taken by surprise at the ferocity of the public outcry over the timing.
"It wasn't really a gaffe," Daniels said.
121 | Kragar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:44:55pm |
re: #120 Big Joe
Not a gaffe!
Mitt Romney Campaign Scraps $50,000 Per Plate Jerusalem Fundraiser On A Jewish Fasting Day
Its retroactively not a gaffe.
122 | Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:46:49pm |
re: #120 Big Joe
"Oh, we knew what that day was, we just didn't consider their feelings at all! Not a gaffe!"
123 | Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:47:45pm |
And how are these foreign fundraisers even legal?
124 | jaunte Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:47:53pm |
re: #120 Big Joe
gaffe
Noun:
An unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder: "an unforgivable social gaffe".
I guess it wasn't unintentional, and the the campaign isn't embarrassed either.
126 | jaunte Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:52:58pm |
Leading Israeli daily Haaretz is bitingly critical of Romney, with details I haven't read in the U.S. Press. bit.ly/NCww7K
— Roger Ebert (@ebertchicago) July 29, 2012
In Jerusalem speech, it was Romney's voice but Netanyahu's words
"...Romney read his speech from two teleprompters that were placed opposite the stage, but compared to Obama, Romney seemed gray and uncharismatic. Even from this hand-picked, extremely friendly audience, he wasn't able to extract thunderous applause. "
127 | Big Joe Ghazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:11pm |
re: #123 Mocking Jay
And how are these foreign fundraisers even legal?
They are raising funds from American citizens abroad.
128 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:29pm |
re: #126 jaunte
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In Jerusalem speech, it was Romney's voice but Netanyahu's words
"...Romney read his speech from two teleprompters that were placed opposite the stage, but compared to Obama, Romney seemed gray and uncharismatic. Even from this hand-picked, extremely friendly audience, he wasn't able to extract thunderous applause. "
What?! Not just one, but two TELEPROMPTERS!!
129 | Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:37pm |
130 | Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:52pm |
131 | Four More Tears Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:55:18pm |
re: #127 Big Joe
They are raising funds from American citizens abroad.
Do they ask for their papers at the door?
/
132 | jaunte Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:56:08pm |
Sheldon Adelson is contributing a lot of Chinese money.
133 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:56:52pm |
re: #123 Mocking Jay
And how are these foreign fundraisers even legal?
As long as you're taking money from U.S. citizens, it's perfectly in the clear, regardless of where they live, or where you meet them. Obama's campaign is apparently doing one in Geneva later this summer.
134 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:12:28pm |
re: #132 jaunte
Sheldon Adelson is contributing a lot of Chinese money.
I imagine so is Microsoft. As Willie Sutton said about banks...
135 | researchok Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:13:42pm |
re: #123 Mocking Jay
This isn't new.
Obama has also had foreign fundraisers.
They target expat voters.
136 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:14:10pm |
On another topic, on my regular review of creationism... I notice that over on Biologos, even when good, meaty articles are presented the comments now are dominated by creationists, and that few of the evolution-accepting religious bother to comment any more. E.g., this article:
Becoming Human: New Insights from Genome-wide Functional Genomics
Venema does good work, but the creationists are having nothing of it.
I think the problem for Biologos is that they were/are just too wedded to orthodoxy, in wanting to relate to the fundamentalists and evangelicals, with respect to other aspects of "Christianity" for their heterodoxy on evolution to have any more impact.
That is, those religious who are being affected by secular science to give up on the old worldviews are doing so in spite of any activity that Biologos is doing, and those fundamentalists who are rejecting modernity will continue to do so in spite of any activity that Biologos is doing.
This is turning to prove the skeptics of the whole venture, such as Jerry Coyne, correct in their assertion that this attempt by Templeton et. al. to bridge worldviews is a waste of time.
137 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:16:03pm |
Oh, and - I finally debugged the MP3 player problems in Spy mode. Should be fine now, using the HTML5 player so it works with mobile devices.
138 | dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:17:01pm |
Would this be considered church involvement in politics?
Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.
139 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:18:08pm |
141 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:20:05pm |
re: #138 dragonfire1981
Would this be considered church involvement in politics?
Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.
What public office is Chik-Fil-A running for?
142 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:20:33pm |
re: #138 dragonfire1981
In my opinion, no.
The prohibition against political activity in tax-free houses of worship has to do with actual political offices.
Technically speaking, the Chik-Fil-A thing isn't politics.
143 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:21:43pm |
re: #138 dragonfire1981
Would this be considered church involvement in politics?
Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.
Well, Chick-Fil-A is not a political organization. There's a clear political slant to the reasoning here, but it's not like saying "Good Christians will vote for XXXX."
I doubt it's illegally political.
144 | dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:22:28pm |
Mississippi Church refuses to marry black couple
They had booked their wedding far in advance. The invitations had been sent, the programs printed. But one day before Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson were to be married at the Mississippi church they frequented, they said a pastor told them they would have to find another venue -- because they were black.
There has never been a black wedding at the First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Miss., since its founding in 1883. According to Pastor Stan Weatherford, some church members objected so strongly to breaking that precedent, they threatened to oust him from his pastorship.
I don't think these people really understand what Jesus was actually all about.
145 | Mostly sane, most of the time. Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:25:52pm |
re: #138 dragonfire1981
Would this be considered church involvement in politics?
Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.
Why the 3rd specifically?
(This is functionally irrelevant to me--there's no Chick-Fil-A's in Portland.)
146 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:26:59pm |
re: #144 dragonfire1981
Mississippi Church refuses to marry black couple
I don't think these people really understand what Jesus was actually all about.
Saw that. It's astonishing, especially given that they apparently had this couple attending services there long enough to decide they wanted to be married out of the church, and they didn't notice they were surrounded by crazy racists.
I guess the crazy racists stayed away, and the people who came up and talked to them after services were pleasant. Or something.
I really hope the Rev. Weatherford preaches on nothing but the evils of racism until they are forced to either get their act together or fire him.
The detail I really don't get is this thing about how they haven't had a black couple married in their church since 1883. What are they doing, going for a record? The century is up.
147 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:28:17pm |
re: #145 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Why the 3rd specifically?
(This is functionally irrelevant to me--there's no Chick-Fil-A's in Portland.)
I only learned to pronounce Chick-Fil-A from the news, this week. (I also learned from the Olympics coverage that Cape Verde is not pronounced like it looks to me.) I had been saying "Chick-Fill-Uh".
My nearest one is in Fairfield, CA, which is far enough that I'm certainly not going to go out there just to boycott them from closer up.
148 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:28:35pm |
WND, whose top headline, in red, says "RUSH, HANNITY, SAVAGE FACE 'DEATH BY OBAMA'" ... classic headline writing... is now going for the multi-talking-point wingnut cluster-fuck award with their top story titled:
2ND AMENDMENT PROVES VALID DEFENSE AGAINST BLACK GANGS
And there you've got it, Guns and Race all in one thread. It's a shiny new thread, but the comments will pour in quickly, I propose.
149 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:30:27pm |
One hour till the fast ends here.
How can Muslims do this for an entire freakin month?
150 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:31:20pm |
re: #149 Learned Mother of Zion
One hour till the fast ends here.
How can Muslims do this for an entire freakin month?
Ramadan's not a 24-hour fast.
And hell if I know. Especially in summer.
151 | Big Joe Ghazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:32:45pm |
re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist
I only learned to pronounce Chick-Fil-A from the news, this week. (I also learned from the Olympics coverage that Cape Verde is not pronounced like it looks to me.) I had been saying "Chick-Fill-Uh".
My nearest one is in Fairfield, CA, which is far enough that I'm certainly not going to go out there just to boycott them from closer up.
They are planning one for Walnut Creek.
152 | Vicious Babushka Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:35:04pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Ramadan's not a 24-hour fast.
And hell if I know. Especially in summer.
I know that the Ramadan fast is only during the daylight hours.
So what? Still totally freaking hard.
My kids always used to ask "why is it called a fast, it should be called a slow."
154 | Ben G. Hazi Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:35:09pm |
155 | dragonath Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:38:26pm |
My muslim uncle would get big juicy burgers from the local diner once the sun set. I used to kind of look forward to Ramadan.
156 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:39:32pm |
I'm using Mac OS X Mountain Lion's dictation feature for this tweet.
— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) July 30, 2012
Will dictation be useful in doing common functions, such as entering, say, comments here?
157 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:41:47pm |
re: #148 freetoken
WND, whose top headline, in red, says "RUSH, HANNITY, SAVAGE FACE 'DEATH BY OBAMA'" ... classic headline writing... is now going for the multi-talking-point wingnut cluster-fuck award with their top story titled:
2ND AMENDMENT PROVES VALID DEFENSE AGAINST BLACK GANGS
And there you've got it, Guns and Race all in one thread. It's a shiny new thread, but the comments will pour in quickly, I propose.
I see they're finally going for the Stormfront readership out in the open. Here's a pic of the guy that wrote it which I found here.
158 | darthstar Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:43:35pm |
re: #156 freetoken
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Will dictation be useful in doing common functions, such as entering, say, comments here?
I use it from my phone, and quite successfully. Even tried texting 'supercalifragilisticexpialadocious' to a friend and got it the first time (though it put a space between fragilistic and expialadocious).
159 | CuriousLurker Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:43:45pm |
re: #152 Learned Mother of Zion
I know that the Ramadan fast is only during the daylight hours.
So what? Still totally freaking hard.
My kids always used to ask "why is it called a fast, it should be called a slow."
The first week is brutal, after that your body adjusts (somewhat) to the deprivation. But, yeah, it's still totally freaking hard. ;)
I don't know how outdoor manual laborers manage it during the summer.
160 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:45:58pm |
re: #157 Gus
I see they're finally going for the Stormfront readership out in the open. Here's a pic of the guy that wrote it which I found here.
Yeah.
I notice that one of his followers is Karl Rove. How nice.
161 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:47:45pm |
re: #160 freetoken
Yeah.
I notice that one of his followers is Karl Rove. How nice.
Karl Rove, Lee Atwater... Southern Strategy. This weirdo wrote some book called "White Girl Bleeds a Lot" which is about "a return of race riots to American." He also seems to follow Pamella Geller and was interviewed by David Horowitz's Front Page Magazine.
162 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:50:27pm |
re: #161 Gus
Well, Karl Rove follows just about anybody on Twitter. But you got my point. Rove has to keep his pulse on whatever the wingnuts are hyper-ventilating upon, in order to maneuver his client to hoover up those folk.
163 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:51:55pm |
re: #162 freetoken
Well, Karl Rove follows just about anybody on Twitter. But you got my point. Rove has to keep his pulse on whatever the wingnuts are hyper-ventilating upon, in order to maneuver his client to hoover up those folk.
Yep. Anglo-Saxon (cough). Oops. We didn't say that. Yeah, right.
//
164 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:58:57pm |
re: #156 freetoken
[Embedded content]
Will dictation be useful in doing common functions, such as entering, say, comments here?
Well, you still have to click in order to quote a comment or add something to someone else's comments so it's probably useful in a small way if you don't have access to a keyboard.
I'm very impressed with how much this technology has advanced, though.
166 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:01:42pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
Thanks. I'm considering a massive (3 generation) upgrade, from 10.5.8 to Mountain Lion. I realize it can't be done in one step and I'll need to buy one of the intermediate OSX versions... but what I fear is losing stuff, like data, or operability of old software.
167 | abolitionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:02:43pm |
re: #45 b_sharp
The granddaddy of many languages. My first language was 'Action!' which was a minimalist version of C.
It was about 1950 when I was introduced to the concept of "code." (Yeah, I'm old.)
One day, I said "Grampa. Why don't you answer the phone?" He explained, "It's not my ring."
Much later, I realized that wasn't really my intro to "code". By then, I'd already learned to respond to my own name differently from other words and sounds.
168 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:05:21pm |
re: #117 Digital Display
You know what I will miss about Oklahoma..There are so many Indian Nations here. A rich history checkered in an American Tragedy like the trail of tears.
Because there are so many Casinos here and political influence there is constantly Public service commercials on TV about the Indian Nations.
It has been very educational.
Come up here for a few days and I'll take you for a tour of several First Nations.
170 | CuriousLurker Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:08:34pm |
re: #164 Charles Johnson
Thanks for the 411 on Mountain Lion, btw. I'm prolly gonna upgrade this coming week.
171 | dragonfire1981 Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:13:45pm |
OT,
I've been watching "An Idiot abroad" with my wife and I freaking love this show. I'm a huge Ricky Gervais fan.
172 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:15:56pm |
re: #138 dragonfire1981
Would this be considered church involvement in politics?
Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.
Legally, probably not since it's not an explicit "you must vote for x" kind of thing Practically? Well, had I been there I'd have gotten up and silently walked out at that point because I'd know that he wasn't going to be teaching about Jesus.
173 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:16:58pm |
re: #170 CuriousLurker
Thanks for the 411 on Mountain Lion, btw. I'm prolly gonna upgrade this coming week.
I updated from Lucid Lynx to Precise Pangolin on my servers and from Oneiric Ocelot to Precise Pangolin on my desktops and I'm about to go to Quantal Quetzal.
(I felt all left out)
174 | Mattand Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:17:58pm |
re: #166 freetoken
Thanks. I'm considering a massive (3 generation) upgrade, from 10.5.8 to Mountain Lion. I realize it can't be done in one step and I'll need to buy one of the intermediate OSX versions... but what I fear is losing stuff, like data, or operability of old software.
Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.
I have two external HDs connected at all times. One is a bootable clone of the startup system courtesy of SuperDuper. This runs once a day. The other is for Time Machine, which runs on the hour.
I'm also using Crash Plan for cloud backup. Critical work is backed up every four hours. If I'm really worried about a specific project, I'll even back that up to a USB Flash drive.
Did I mention you should back up?
175 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:19:28pm |
re: #174 Mattand
Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.
Yes.
However, that won't help the older software that has not been maintained through the new generations.
176 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:19:35pm |
re: #155 Fred Galt
My muslim uncle would get big juicy burgers from the local diner once the sun set. I used to kind of look forward to Ramadan.
My FiL was raised Baptist in Alabama and every Friday night it was his family tradition to have hamburgers. Then he married a very Catholic Swiss woman from Wisconsin. He'd wait till midnight on Friday nights and then go have his hamburger. Especially since he didn't much like fish to begin with... ;)
177 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:19:37pm |
re: #174 Mattand
Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.
I have two external HDs connected at all times. One is a bootable clone of the startup system courtesy of SuperDuper. This runs once a day. The other is for Time Machine, which runs on the hour.
I'm also using Crash Plan for cloud backup. Critical work is backed up every four hours. If I'm really worried about a specific project, I'll even back that up to a USB Flash drive.
Did I mention you should back up?
I would suggest he back up his drive before upgrading. What do you think?
178 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:22:15pm |
re: #173 b_sharp
I updated from Lucid Lynx to Precise Pangolin on my servers and from Oneiric Ocelot to Precise Pangolin on my desktops and I'm about to go to Quantal Quetzal.
(I felt all left out)
Heh. I recently started running Precise on my decade old Dell. Not too bad with XCFE4 & upping all the way to it's max of 2 gb of RAM. Still not a speed deamon but at least I can run Chrome with 15+ tabs open & a LispM emulator running and not be hitting the swap partition.
179 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:24:17pm |
re: #174 Mattand
Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.
I have two external HDs connected at all times. One is a bootable clone of the startup system courtesy of SuperDuper. This runs once a day. The other is for Time Machine, which runs on the hour.
I'm also using Crash Plan for cloud backup. Critical work is backed up every four hours. If I'm really worried about a specific project, I'll even back that up to a USB Flash drive.
Did I mention you should back up?
Super Duper is a must-have for Mac users. I have a fully bootable external drive that's a dedicated daily mirror image backup of my startup drive.
And I back that up with Time Machine backups of the more valuable stuff on another external drive.
I've learned the hard way to maintain multiple backups.
180 | Mattand Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:24:57pm |
re: #175 freetoken
Yes.
However, that won't help the older software that has not been maintained through the new generations.
Yeah, I feel your pain on that. I was running Abobe CS2 stuff on a G5 with 10.4 Tiger for the longest time. Literally years. I had already skipped two generations of Intel Mac hardware, and it was getting harder to find software that didn't require 10.5.
Apple makes great stuff, but they are ruthless with cutting off/obsoleting older hardware.
181 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:29:23pm |
re: #171 dragonfire1981
OT,
I've been watching "An Idiot abroad" with my wife and I freaking love this show. I'm a huge Ricky Gervais fan.
It took me a while to understand Karl Pilkington. He is a savant but not in the way I expected. He's a comedic genius but lacks the skills to make it work on his own. He doesn't do interviews or promote himself, I don't think he's capable or interested. I'm glad Gervaise and Merchant recognized his talents, otherwise we'd never hear of him.
182 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:29:24pm |
re: #178 William Barnett-Lewis
Heh. I recently started running Precise on my decade old Dell. Not too bad with XCFE4 & upping all the way to it's max of 2 gb of RAM. Still not a speed deamon but at least I can run Chrome with 15+ tabs open & a LispM emulator running and not be hitting the swap partition.
I'm starting to prefer XCFE over Gnome, but I still have Gnome on my Ubuntu VMs. I have a CentOS VM with XCFE because it's really a server OS. When I need to get something interesting done, like writing code, I pull up a Linux VM.
183 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:29:52pm |
re: #179 Charles Johnson
Well, I have a G-Tech mobile drive that via Timemachine is backing up my system disk every hour. I also have a couple of external drives which duplicate data on each other that I really don't want to lose.
Having just gone through another hard drive failure (second this year), and after years of having hard drives fail on me fairly regularly (since I leave them on continually, and 10,000 hours MTBF does seem to be about the target), I've been hoping for years that the solid state secondary memory would come down in price. I know Apple is offering the solid state "drives" as options on their notebooks now... hopefully someday soon the price will be low enough to make it ubiquitous
184 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:30:25pm |
In my last 30 years of personal computer use, I'd say I've been averaging about 1 HD failure per year.
185 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:33:36pm |
re: #183 freetoken
Well, I have a G-Tech mobile drive that via Timemachine is backing up my system disk every hour. I also have a couple of external drives which duplicate data on each other that I really don't want to lose.
Having just gone through another hard drive failure (second this year), and after years of having hard drives fail on me fairly regularly (since I leave them on continually, and 10,000 hours MTBF does seem to be about the target), I've been hoping for years that the solid state secondary memory would come down in price. I know Apple is offering the solid state "drives" as options on their notebooks now... hopefully someday soon the price will be low enough to make it ubiquitous
I just had a Corsair SSD go belly up on me. I'm not so sure they'll be any better than HDDs.
186 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:34:16pm |
One of the most nightmarish backup experiences I've ever had was when I was using Microsoft Entourage as my email client, and the main database got corrupted -- but in a way that let it keep on loading for weeks.
Eventually, the whole thing crashed and I opened Entourage with a sickening feeling as 3+ years of saved emails just vanished.
And it got worse, because that incremental corruption meant that all the multiple backups I'd been archiving were worthless. I went back to the earliest backup, and even that would not import into Entourage.
When the software itself betrays you, no backup strategy will save you.
Needless to say, I'll never use a Microsoft email client again.
187 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:34:41pm |
re: #184 freetoken
In my last 30 years of personal computer use, I'd say I've been averaging about 1 HD failure per year.
What are you doing to them? That's way higher than I've experienced.
188 | Charles Johnson Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:36:36pm |
Hence the random aphorism, "Microsoft lied, database died."
189 | Mattand Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:37:20pm |
re: #120 Big Joe
Not a gaffe!
Mitt Romney Campaign Scraps $50,000 Per Plate Jerusalem Fundraiser On A Jewish Fasting Day
I made a crack the other day about Romney hosting a pork BBQ dinner on Sunday/today, once I found out what Tisha B'Av was.
I really, honestly did not think Romney, or more specifically the rock-stupid tree stumps running his campaign, would be dumb enough to host a lavish dinner on one of Judism's most important fasting holidays.
I shouldn't be shocked at this. No one can possibly be this incompetent. This is up there with Bush, on the eve of Iraq 2.0, supposedly not knowing there are different branches of Islam
How do you visit a country, particularly a religious one, and not do even a frigging two minute search at Wikipedia Community College?
190 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:37:43pm |
re: #188 Charles Johnson
Hence the random aphorism, "Microsoft lied, database died."
Outlook has corrupted so many dbs, I went and bought a repair app. It's more than paid for itself.
191 | freetoken Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:38:30pm |
re: #187 b_sharp
What are you doing to them? That's way higher than I've experienced.
Don't know. I tend to leave mine on continuously... and if I have say 3 at any one time, they average less than 3 years of life... hence about 1 per year.
192 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:40:53pm |
re: #182 b_sharp
I'm starting to prefer XCFE over Gnome, but I still have Gnome on my Ubuntu VMs. I have a CentOS VM with XCFE because it's really a server OS. When I need to get something interesting done, like writing code, I pull up a Linux VM.
I notice that XFCE is significantly faster on this hardware. If I run Gnome or, god forbid, Unity on this machine it's unusable. But with XFCE I can have Chrome up, Rhythmbox streaming, that emulator running, one or three little things running and still only be at about 80% memory & cpu commit.
I still like my macbook better but it's dying and we don't have the grand for a new one. At least sheared of Windows, this wee old 1.8ghz P4m can be useful for me.
193 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:42:43pm |
re: #191 freetoken
Don't know. I tend to leave mine on continuously... and if I have say 3 at any one time, they average less than 3 years of life... hence about 1 per year.
They should spin down when not needed, even if you leave the system on.
I've had two in one of my servers that has been going constantly for 5 years. The other server is only two years old, but no problems yet. I'm building a third server with RAID 0 because I've had so few problems with drives. I have more problems with drives where the electrical system is iffy.
194 | Killgore Trout Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:42:58pm |
Karl learns about Biology and Time travel
195 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:43:38pm |
re: #188 Charles Johnson
Hence the random aphorism, "Microsoft lied, database died."
I stopped trusting Redmond around DOS 3.x "DOS isn't done till Lotus won't run."
196 | Digital Display Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:43:49pm |
Political Animals..9pm CST USA tonight
I have given this show scathing reviews the last 2 weeks. It's really too bad cause it would be great to have a solid political drama during the fall season..Say like West Wing..This show won't make it..
Producers and writers: You should be fired.. You made a combination of all of my children soap opera mixed with Primary colors with every character a stereotype cast. You had to retread Bill and Hillary Clinton with a little spin?
( at least the writers threw in a gay drug addicted son and the respectable son for a little change up. ) This isn't the 90's. With all the possibilities of political drama to write about, esp. with great actors you choose the Bill and Hillary show..Weak.
My advise to the show is to follow the words of that rap song in 8 mile.
Grab a pencil and home and get some fucking imagination
End of review
197 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:43:49pm |
re: #192 William Barnett-Lewis
I notice that XFCE is significantly faster on this hardware. If I run Gnome or, god forbid, Unity on this machine it's unusable. But with XFCE I can have Chrome up, Rhythmbox streaming, that emulator running, one or three little things running and still only be at about 80% memory & cpu commit.
I still like my macbook better but it's dying and we don't have the grand for a new one. At least sheared of Windows, this wee old 1.8ghz P4m can be useful for me.
Unity sucks.
Gnome 3 is sucky but improving.
198 | prairiefire Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:44:58pm |
re: #181 Killgore Trout
It took me a while to understand Karl Pilkington. He is a savant but not in the way I expected. He's a comedic genius but lacks the skills to make it work on his own. He doesn't do interviews or promote himself, I don't think he's capable or interested. I'm glad Gervaise and Merchant recognized his talents, otherwise we'd never hear of him.
When he was dressed up as a woman by the "showgirl" transvestites in Thailand, (I think) his dawning empathy for those entertainers was a joy to watch.
199 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:46:04pm |
re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis
I stopped trusting Redmond around DOS 3.x "DOS isn't done till Lotus won't run."
I hate to admit it, but I started with Windows at Windows 2, about the same time I went with OS/2.
200 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:00:33pm |
re: #199 b_sharp
I hate to admit it, but I started with Windows at Windows 2, about the same time I went with OS/2.
I liked OS/2. I ran 2.x & Warp on a 386sx laptop with a whopping 16mb of ram. It was fun having multiple dos windows open with programs safe from each other. If they would have had a decent input queue handling, it would have been perfect.
201 | Gretchen G.Tiger Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:03:06pm |
obligatory daily beebee kitteh!
not a happy one either!
202 | b_Snark Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:03:28pm |
re: #200 William Barnett-Lewis
I liked OS/2. I ran 2.x & Warp on a 386sx laptop with a whopping 16mb of ram. It was fun having multiple dos windows open with programs safe from each other. If they would have had a decent input queue handling, it would have been perfect.
I just threw out my 2.1 and Warp disks and books a few months ago, along with several generations of DOS.
203 | Varek Raith Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:05:06pm |
204 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:14:38pm |
re: #202 b_sharp
I just threw out my 2.1 and Warp disks and books a few months ago, along with several generations of DOS.
I know the feeling. I tossed lots of old stuff when we moved in June. The rather sad one to me was the Describe CD. First application I bought that was distributed on CD. Decent word processor but it wasn't going to make a dent in the market domination of Word.
Kept my Wordstar 7.0D (the very last version) floppies though.
205 | Varek Raith Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:17:37pm |
re: #204 William Barnett-Lewis
I know the feeling. I tossed lots of old stuff when we moved in June. The rather sad one to me was the Describe CD. First application I bought that was distributed on CD. Decent word processor but it wasn't going to make a dent in the market domination of Word.
Kept my Wordstar 7.0D (the very last version) floppies though.
Not sure whether to be impressed or sad....
/
206 | William Barnett-Lewis Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:30:13pm |
re: #205 Varek Raith
Not sure whether to be impressed or sad...
/
First full price real software I bought. $495 Damn right I'll keep them.
210 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:59:40pm |
Scott Adams has a very good riff on Big Data and the Cloud in today's Dilbert.
211 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:03:15pm |
re: #207 Gus
As often, it's the product of Weird Nut Daily. Here's a Tweet from the WND columnist who started this hateful meme:
My latest from WND.com on people who use guns to defend themselves from violent black mobs: bit.ly/QFUrPCEnhoy!— ColinFlaherty (@ColinFlaherty) July 30, 2012
212 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:06:13pm |
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
As often, it's the product of Weird Nut Daily. Here's a Tweet from the WND columnist who started this hateful meme:
I know. Was reading about him earlier. Real axe to grind or something.
213 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:08:22pm |
re: #211 Dark_Falcon
As often, it's the product of Weird Nut Daily. Here's a Tweet from the WND columnist who started this hateful meme:
But should people be allowed to defend themselves regardless of anything? Of course. This however is flagrant race baiting based on an imaginary trend.
215 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:11:00pm |
re: #212 Gus
I know. Was reading about him earlier. Real axe to grind or something.
I think I've mentioned this before, but at one time he posted for David Horowitz's Frontpagemag.com (this was late 2005-early 2006, before Horowitz went Full Mental Wingnut). He lasted only 3 columns, with the last one so blatantly bigoted that Horowitz booted him and pulled it from FPMag's website. Since showing up on WND, Colin Flaherty has been even worse. He clearly thinks black people are mostly violent savages.
216 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:14:21pm |
re: #215 Dark_Falcon
I think I've mentioned this before, but at one time he posted for David Horowitz's Frontpagemag.com (this was late 2005-early 2006, before Horowitz went Full Mental Wingnut). He lasted only 3 columns, with the last one so blatantly bigoted that Horowitz booted him and pulled it from FPMag's website. Since showing up on WND, Colin Flaherty has been even worse. He clearly thinks black people are mostly violent savages.
You know the only time I ever heard him he sounded like this psychedelic, former radical leftists I've got the rage in me and know I'm a Republican voting conservative anti Jihadist and! ... He's just so strung out so much of the time. It's not always just about politics. You have these personalities.
217 | Dark_Falcon Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:17:32pm |
re: #213 Gus
But should people be allowed to defend themselves regardless of anything? Of course. This however is flagrant race baiting based on an imaginary trend.
Sorry, but Chicago has seen a number of such mob attacks this year, so its not purely imaginary. But it is nonetheless a problem that can be dealt with via resolute police action. It is noteworthy that such attacks are not occurring in New York City, due to a large, well trained and well directed police force.
But that police force also has a very low rate of officer involved shootings and actively works to keep it low (while not endangering its police officers). Shooting members of that kind of 'youth mob' is sub-optimal: Guns should be a last resort, with the law changed to allow civilians more powerful pepper sprays as a non-lethal anti-mob option. The honorable object is 'deter and disperse', only shitheads and psychos actually want to kill in that kind of situation.
218 | dragonath Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:18:43pm |
re: #207 Gus
"Main Street Media" That's a new one. Their talking points are getting corrupted!
Someone needs to get Grampa away from the word processor!
219 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:18:59pm |
Was outside. Thinking. If Israel says their capital is Jerusalem then the capital is Jerusalem. In any case, it is not for me to make the case.
220 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:20:04pm |
re: #217 Dark_Falcon
But you're talking about "mob" attacks. It's not even in the context of these people worrying about it. Inter gang violence has been a high trend for decades now.
222 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:28:04pm |
re: #189 Mattand
I made a crack the other day about Romney hosting a pork BBQ dinner on Sunday/today, once I found out what Tisha B'Av was.
I really, honestly did not think Romney, or more specifically the rock-stupid tree stumps running his campaign, would be dumb enough to host a lavish dinner on one of Judism's most important fasting holidays.
I shouldn't be shocked at this. No one can possibly be this incompetent. This is up there with Bush, on the eve of Iraq 2.0, supposedly not knowing there are different branches of Islam
How do you visit a country, particularly a religious one, and not do even a frigging two minute search at Wikipedia Community College?
I THINK that the original plan was to have the fundraiser after sundown, so it would be a sort of break-the-fast/fundraiser dinner, but they may just have screwed up.
As blunders go, it does seem to undermine the idea that Sheldon Adelson is running the Romney campaign, unless Adelson somehow thought this made sense.
223 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:29:22pm |
re: #207 Gus
I wonder how many of the people getting excited about this live anywhere near where there are 'black gangs'.
224 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:30:37pm |
re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder how many of the people getting excited about this live anywhere near where there are 'black gangs'.
I don't know I'm just shaking my head. These people are living in some paranoid world that doesn't exist.
225 | Gus Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:32:58pm |
Black gangs will shoot you down in your driveway.
We'll be back after we hear from our new sponsor, American Steel Building, Inc.
226 | SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:41:26pm |
I mean, I could get in a car and drive from my house to the heart of gang-controlled North Richmond in about twenty minutes, half an hour. I know where to go. Got lost there late at night once. Not actually planning to go back.
But I live in a nice, suburban little spot, and my neighborhood protects me far more effectively from gang violence than any number of guns I might own possibly could.
Here's the thing about 'black gangs'. Their victims are black people from poor neighborhoods. If you're white, and living anywhere but the heart of the hood, (actual hood, not OMG, there's some peeling paint next door) and worrying about the Crips getting your ass, you're being pretentious and stupid.