1 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:04:15pm

Yeah, I don't get it either.

2 researchok  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:11:09pm

re: #1 ggt

Do I have to explain everything??
//

3 darthstar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:14:35pm

Actually, Charles, we've already begun implementing the cloud 2.0
(yes, this is actually on a wall in our office)

4 darthstar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:14:55pm

The cloud is so last week.

5 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:16:58pm

I'm torn between two ways of doing something in a bash script. Should I use:

NAME=$(echo ${f} | sed -r "s;${JSPATH}(.*)\.js;\1;")

...or:

NAME=$(expr ${f} : ${JSPATH}'\(.*\)\.js')

?

The second method is shorter, but the expr command is deprecated and not used much any more.

What to do?

#FirstWorldProblem

6 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:18:56pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I'm torn between two ways of doing something in a bash script. Should I use:

[Embedded content]

?

The second method is shorter, but the expr command is deprecated and not used much any more.

What to do?

#FirstWorldProblem

Future proof and go with the first method.

7 darthstar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:22:17pm

BTW, I ended up buying the 55" Vizio yesterday when I went to Costco. Fucking thing is huge in the room where we have it. We're calling a contractor friend to come carve a hole in the living room wall for it...but I do like it...and it's only about an inch and a half thick.

Image: 558303_10151077944263024_1930858421_n.jpg

8 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:23:37pm

cloud computing

sexy name, boring technology

9 SmithCommaJohn  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:27:00pm

They have App?

I want App.

10 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:27:31pm

re: #9 SmithCommaJohn

They have App?

I want App.

Its got 1000 capacity.

11 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:28:16pm

Cloud computing. No thanks. I have my PC -- it could be a Mac -- and it's self contained. I don't have to subscribe to any service for software or whatever application I may need. Once it's installed I can use it for many years without having to be chained to a subscription requiring the use of a debit or credit card. Same goes with storage. I want storage I'll use my hard drive.

12 SmithCommaJohn  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:29:40pm

re: #10 Kragar

Its got 1000 capacity.

My cloud only has 500 capacity. I think I'll head down to my local Wal-Mart and ask one of their knowledgeable sales associates to help me pick the best cloud.

13 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:31:03pm

re: #12 SmithCommaJohn

My cloud only has 500 capacity. I think I'll head down to my local Wal-Mart and ask one of their knowledgeable sales associates to help me pick the best cloud.

Don't forget to upgrade your G while you're at it.

14 Obdicut  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:32:01pm

re: #11 Gus

I use google drive because it's free as fuck.

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:33:26pm

As usual, I will be dragged kickin' and screamin' into the future when there is no other choice.

I still haven't learned how to turn on our new TV. Life shouldn't be so hard!

16 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:35:24pm

I have iCloud Match - it's pretty cool to have access to your whole music library without having to sync any devices.

I also use Amazon Cloud Player - any MP3s you buy from Amazon are automatically available in the cloud.

I'm also using Dropbox, which is basically a cloud system. Very handy for auto-syncing passwords between different computers and mobile devices with 1Password.

The new Mountain Lion OS has a feature where you can share tabs among browsers through the cloud.

I'm pretty cloud-enabled over here. Living on cloud 9 in cloud cuckoo land.

17 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:36:14pm

There was a blurb on the news about an alderman's office being broken into recently. The hardware was stolen, but the data was in the "cloud" and there were no worries about back-ups or stolen private information.

I could see the advantage in that situation.

18 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:37:49pm

'cloud' is useful as an access-anywhere technology, and has its points in terms of backup, but as an engineering problem it's strictly for those who are interested in high bandwidth and exxtreme reliability intertubes

19 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:40:03pm
20 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:40:34pm

re: #10 Kragar

Its got 1000 capacity.

I'll wait for true 10 bit technology that'll give 1024 capacity.

21 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:09pm

Personally, I don't believe in haircuts, but this one is cool.

Image: 523464_10151085837162095_1715229566_n.jpg

22 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:18pm

re: #16 Charles Johnson

I have iCloud Match - it's pretty cool to have access to your whole music library without having to sync any devices.

I also use Amazon Cloud Player - any MP3s you buy from Amazon are automatically available in the cloud.

I'm also using Dropbox, which is basically a cloud system. Very handy for auto-syncing passwords between different computers and mobile devices with 1Password.

The new Mountain Lion OS has a feature where you can share tabs among browsers through the cloud.

I'm pretty cloud-enabled over here. Living on cloud 9 in cloud cuckoo land.

I use ownCloud 4.0 on CentOS 6.2

23 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:42:37pm

I have an older girlfriend (61) who is a software geek. How she keeps up is beyond me and rather humbling.

She found Dropbox a while back and uses it. One of her phones was not compatible with the Cloud. No matter where she goes everything is synced and accessible between all her devices.

24 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:43:23pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

Personally, I don't believe in haircuts, but this one is cool.

Image: 523464_10151085837162095_1715229566_n.jpg

He has a weasel sitting on his head.

25 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:43:52pm

re: #21 wrenchwench

Personally, I don't believe in haircuts, but this one is cool.

Image: 523464_10151085837162095_1715229566_n.jpg

Is THAT what we would see if removed the xtra from Blagohair's head? I always knew it was really a furry animal controlling him.

26 researchok  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:05pm

re: #11 Gus

Cloud computing. No thanks. I have my PC -- it could be a Mac -- and it's self contained. I don't have to subscribe to any service for software or whatever application I may need. Once it's installed I can use it for many years without having to be chained to a subscription requiring the use of a debit or credit card. Same goes with storage. I want storage I'll use my hard drive.

It's the privacy thing that irks me.

There isn't any, notwithstanding what they might say or promise.

It is a Pandora's Box.

27 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:33pm

re: #17 ggt

There was a blurb on the news about an alderman's office being broken into recently. The hardware was stolen, but the data was in the "cloud" and there were no worries about back-ups or stolen private information.

I could see the advantage in that situation.

Until somebody hacks into that cloud.

28 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:45:40pm

for personally the challenge these days is to make the leap from years and years of desktop application development in c++ and java to learning servlet development ground up - fortunately while getting paid for it

i have a 1000 page book on javascript right here and i'm enuf of a nerd to be excited about reading it

29 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:46:47pm

bbl

30 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:48:16pm

re: #28 engineer cat

for personally the challenge these days is to make the leap from years and years of desktop application development in c++ and java to learning servlet development ground up - fortunately while getting paid for it

i have a 1000 page book on javascript right here and i'm enuf of a nerd to be excited about reading it

I thought javascript is on its way out and HTML5 is about to become the new codeGod?

31 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:49:03pm

some first impressions of javascript:

types?? we don't need no steenking types!

object oriented language, lexical scope - huwhat?

32 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:49:21pm

re: #20 b_sharp

I'll wait for true 10 bit technology that'll give 1024 capacity.

Nobody likes my geek jokes.

33 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:50:26pm

re: #32 b_sharp

I was just quietly liking it.

34 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:51:14pm

re: #31 engineer cat

some first impressions of javascript:

types?? we don't need no steenking types!

object oriented language, lexical scope - huwhat?

C++ is a lower level language.

35 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:51:23pm

I think it's a good idea to encrypt any private data you store in a cloud. The 1Password file, for example, uses very strong encryption so that even if somebody hacks into the cloud servers they probably won't be able to get into the passwords.

36 wrenchwench  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:52:15pm

re: #24 b_sharp

He has a weasel sitting on his head.

I assumed it was a lizard, probably because I got it from a herpetologist. Definitely fuzzy for a lizard.

37 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:52:21pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

I think it's a good idea to encrypt any private data you store in a cloud. The 1Password file, for example, uses very strong encryption so that even if somebody hacks into the cloud servers they probably won't be able to get into the passwords.

The gauntlet has been dropped.

38 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:54:08pm

re: #30 b_sharp

I thought javascript is on its way out and HTML5 is about to become the new codeGod?

so far the only thing i know so far about html5 as opposed to trad html is that you can specify cool validators for entry fields that execute client side

but also - when developing in c++ or java desktop, pretty much the entire application tends to be in c++ or java

when developing servlets, it seems, the whole thing is a dog's breakfast of java, xml, css, html, javascript, a dozen different flavors of jsp scripting libraries, properties files, the mysterious and powerful abilities of tomcat and other controllers, and random little known technologies added in by the shop you're working in

39 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:54:48pm

re: #34 b_sharp

C++ is a lower level language.

c is the only real programming language!

40 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:55:01pm

re: #36 wrenchwench

I assumed it was a lizard, probably because I got it from a herpetologist. Definitely fuzzy for a lizard.

It looks like the form of a salamander, but lizards don't have hair so it must be alien.

41 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:55:29pm

re: #31 engineer cat

some first impressions of javascript:

types?? we don't need no steenking types!

object oriented language, lexical scope - huwhat?

Javascript does have types, it's just very forgiving if you abuse them. It's possible to code with strict typing even in Javascript, but the language doesn't really enforce it.

A great little book that helped me understand Javascript is JavaScript: The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford.

42 Amory Blaine  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:56:03pm

Get off of my cloud!!!
[/shakes fist]

43 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:56:57pm

re: #38 engineer cat

so far the only thing i know so far about html5 as opposed to trad html is that you can specify cool validators for entry fields that execute client side

but also - when developing in c++ or java desktop, pretty much the entire application tends to be in c++ or java

when developing servlets, it seems, the whole thing is a dog's breakfast of java, xml, css, html, javascript, a dozen different flavors of jsp scripting libraries, properties files, the mysterious and powerful abilities of tomcat and other controllers, and random little known technologies added in by the shop you're working in

Sneak in some PHP 5 while you're at it.

44 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:58:05pm

re: #41 Charles Johnson

Javascript does have types, it's just very forgiving if you abuse them. It's possible to code with strict typing even in Javascript, but the language doesn't really enforce it.

A great little book that helped me understand Javascript is JavaScript: The Good Parts by Douglas Crockford.

mucho thx for the tip!

45 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 1:58:05pm

re: #39 engineer cat

c is the only real programming language!

The granddaddy of many languages. My first language was 'Action!' which was a minimalist version of C.

46 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:00:09pm

Are we at LGF really caged in a zoo of code-monkeys?

47 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:01:17pm

re: #11 Gus

Cloud computing. No thanks. I have my PC -- it could be a Mac -- and it's self contained. I don't have to subscribe to any service for software or whatever application I may need. Once it's installed I can use it for many years without having to be chained to a subscription requiring the use of a debit or credit card. Same goes with storage. I want storage I'll use my hard drive.

I like using iCloud.

Last week I treated myself to dinner. While I was eating I did some writing on my iPad. Got home, grabbed the changes off the cloud and continued where I left off.

One of the main reasons I'll be getting Mountain Lion soon is that the process will be completely automatic. All my documents will be the same no matter what device I'm working on.

48 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:04:29pm

The books I'm reading right now are on HTML, PHP, C#, Bash and MySQL.

I don't think I could handle any more excitement than that.

49 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:06:27pm

re: #48 b_sharp

The books I'm reading right now are on HTML, PHP, C#, Bash and MySQL.

I don't think I could handle any more excitement than that.

The book I'm reading right now is on this stuff called "paper".

It's pretty cool technology!

50 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:07:44pm

re: #45 b_sharp

The granddaddy of many languages. My first language was 'Action!' which was a minimalist version of C.

My first was BASIC. Worked with a lot of others but I liked Pascal and 4th Dimension the best. Especially the latter. They claimed it was a DBMS but the things you could do with that. Suhweeet.

Unfortunately C pretty much drove everything else out of the world, and I hate C with the burning heat of a thousand suns.

51 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:08:45pm

re: #49 austin_blue

The book I'm reading right now is on this stuff called "paper".

It's pretty cool technology!

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Books can only be read on computers, tablets, phones and eReaders.

52 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:09:17pm

will check back when youse guys get back into politics. I am strictly end-user...I don't even like downloading & installing software unless it is unavoidable...

53 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:11:20pm

re: #52 Expand Your Ground

will check back when youse guys get back into politics. I am strictly end-user...I don't even like downloading & installing software unless it is unavoidable...

To the tar pits with ya, ya dinosaur!

//

54 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:11:43pm

re: #50 Romantic Heretic

My first was BASIC. Worked with a lot of others but I liked Pascal and 4th Dimension the best. Especially the latter. They claimed it was a DBMS but the things you could do with that. Suhweeet.

Unfortunately C pretty much drove everything else out of the world, and I hate C with the burning heat of a thousand suns.

In University they start you out on BASIC and Pascal, but I found BASIC too limiting and spaghetti codish and Pascal didn't allow inline Assembler to access hardware (yes in the old days we had to deal with hardware directly).

I really liked C, and excelled at COBOL, even though I hated it.

55 austin_blue  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:13:00pm

re: #51 b_sharp

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about. Books can only be read on computers, tablets, phones and eReaders.

Tablets? Ha ha! Talk about old! Moses had those!

56 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:13:57pm

re: #55 austin_blue

Tablets? Ha ha! Talk about old! Moses had those!

These are the new chiselless type.

57 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:20:26pm

re: #39 engineer cat

c is the only real programming language!

C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.

:D

58 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:22:16pm
59 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:23:26pm

re: #57 William Barnett-Lewis

C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.

:D

Next you'll be telling us he used EMACs.

60 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:24:13pm

re: #57 William Barnett-Lewis

C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.

:D

I haven't LISPed since 1994.

61 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:27:15pm

re: #59 b_sharp

Next you'll be telling us he used EMACs.

re: #59 b_sharp

Next you'll be telling us he used EMACs.

The only use for anything else is to edit the EMACS make file ;)

62 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:30:45pm

re: #61 William Barnett-Lewis

re: #59 b_sharp

The only use for anything else is to edit the EMACS make file ;)

EMACS is the original bloatware.;P

63 engineer cat  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:37:08pm

re: #57 William Barnett-Lewis

C? Portable Assember? Bah, God wrote the world in LISP.

:D

many years ago i brought a date back to my apartment. she looked at my bookcase, and then got a funny expression on her face

she thought it was creepy that i seemed to have such a deep interest in speech impediments

64 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:39:31pm

re: #63 engineer cat

many years ago i brought a date back to my apartment. she looked at my bookcase, and then got a funny expression on her face

she thought it was creepy that i seemed to have such a deep interest in speech impediments

You should have told her you were multilingual.

Then explained it means more than one tongue.

65 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:42:04pm

re: #35 Charles Johnson

I think it's a good idea to encrypt any private data you store in a cloud. The 1Password file, for example, uses very strong encryption so that even if somebody hacks into the cloud servers they probably won't be able to get into the passwords.

Same, same with LastPass.

Helluva deal for 13 bucks a year for LastPass Premium (which includes access to their mobile apps and no ads), though the free browser-only version is also very serviceable (their browser plugins are 32- and 64-bit, and support every major browser, including Opera).

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:48:22pm

OT:

Romney Says Jerusalem Is Capital, Would Move Embassy There

“A nation has the capacity to choose its own capital city, and Jerusalem is Israel’s capital,” Romney said. “I think it’s long been the policy to ultimately have our embassy in the nation’s capital of Jerusalem.”

Romney said the timing of the move would be worked out. “I would follow the same policy we have had in the past, our embassy would be in the capital, and the timing of that is something I would want to work out with the government,” Romney said.

67 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:50:28pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

They could keep a cloud-based back-up capital in Tel Aviv just in case, right?

68 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:55:59pm

Testing a little something...

NAME=$(echo ${f} | sed -r "s;${JSPATH}(.*)\.js;;")
69 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:56:37pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

“I think it’s long been the policy to ultimately have our embassy in the nation’s capital of Jerusalem.”

Except for the slight fact the policy for about the last 4 decades has been no such thing.

70 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:56:39pm

OK, who can tell me what that Linux command line does?

71 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:57:29pm

re: #70 Charles Johnson

OK, who can tell me what that Linux command line does?

Turns authority of America's nuclear arsenal over to Skynet?

//

72 Stoatly  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 2:58:02pm

Since it's all gone geekesque I'll link to the most interesting talk I've seen in a long time (Though I doubt it's of interest to many on LGF, and I had to lean on Google to understand much of what he was on about myself)
Simple Made Easy
(The title is misleading, it should be "Simple isn't easy, but it's worth it in the long run" or something)

I came across it as I've just got interested in Functional Programing which has re-kindled my interest in the whole programing thing
Though this tongue in cheek piece has a point

73 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:01:21pm

The variable $f is a filename with a complete path appended to it, like this:

/path/to/javascript/file.js

74 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:02:38pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

OT:

Romney Says Jerusalem Is Capital, Would Move Embassy There

Well, okay Mitt. If you want.

But the next time a nation takes land from another nation by force you can't complain. Not without acting like a complete hypocrite.

Oh, wait.

75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:10:49pm

re: #42 Amory Blaine

Get off of my cloud!!!
[/shakes fist]

Does everyone get their own cloud in heaven?

76 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:12:18pm

I just shredded 4 more garbage bags of paper.

What did you accomplish?

*sneeze*

77 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:15:39pm

re: #73 Charles Johnson

The variable $f is a filename with a complete path appended to it, like this:

/path/to/javascript/file.js

You are weirdly using ';' instead of '/' as a delimiter.
Looks like you're making every file passed as an argument into a .js file.

Why?

78 researchok  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:16:53pm

re: #74 Romantic Heretic

And exactly why did they take that land by force?

79 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:17:42pm

re: #72 Stoatly

Since it's all gone geekesque I'll link to the most interesting talk I've seen in a long time (Though I doubt it's of interest to many on LGF, and I had to lean on Google to understand much of what he was on about myself)
Simple Made Easy
(The title is misleading, it should be "Simple isn't easy, but it's worth it in the long run" or something)

I came across it as I've just got interested in Functional Programing which has re-kindled my interest in the whole programing thing
Though this tongue in cheek piece has a point

You might enjoy this paper as well:
[Link: www.jwz.org...]

It's Richard Gabriel's famous "Worse is Better".

80 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:19:31pm

re: #77 b_sharp

You are weirdly using ';' instead of '/' as a delimiter.
Looks like you're making every file passed as an argument into a .js file.

Why?

I think you're stripping the .js off.

81 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:20:46pm

re: #77 b_sharp

You are weirdly using ';' instead of '' as a delimiter.
Looks like you're making every file passed as an argument into a .js file.

Why?

sed lets you use any character as a delimiter instead of the default / - in this case the variable $JSPATH contains slashes, and using semi-colons lets me avoid having to escape the slashes in the variable.

82 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:21:55pm

re: #80 b_sharp

I think you're stripping the .js off.

Actually, stripping off both the preceding path and the .js extension, leaving just the name. In the example:

/path/to/javascript/file.js

... it returns:

file

83 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:23:40pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

Actually, stripping off both the preceding path and the .js extension, leaving just the name. In the example it returns file.

I just figured that out about 10 seconds ago by running the script on a Linux system. Cheating I know but sed isn't perfectly clear to me.

84 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:24:21pm

re: #78 researchok

And exactly why did they take that land by force?

The official US position on Jerusalem since 1967 has been they would not recognized it as the capital until negotiations as to its status have been held.

Clinton and Bush both made statement while running for office that they would move the embassy, then once elected, maintained the policy of keeping it in Tel Aviv.

Mitt's comments are as predictable as they are ludicrous.

85 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:24:58pm

re: #81 Charles Johnson

sed lets you use any character as a delimiter instead of the default / - in this case the variable $JSPATH contains slashes, and using semi-colons lets me avoid having to escape the slashes in the variable.

Actually, that is a better solution than the slash.

86 researchok  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:27:31pm

re: #84 Kragar

All true and I'm not questioning that.

My question was in response to the comment alluded to.

87 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:28:20pm

That's a line from the new updater/versioning script I've been developing for the LGF Blog system.

88 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:29:40pm

re: #80 b_sharp

I think you're stripping the .js off.

Sounds like TMI.

89 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:38:02pm
90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:40:45pm

re: #89 Kragar

Who has the popcorn?

Dick Cheney: Picking Palin Was A ‘Mistake’

Simply for foisting her on the rest of the country for the next umpteen years the GOP should be denied the Oval Office for at least 20 years as a penalty.

91 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:40:59pm

re: #88 ggt

Sounds like TMI.

You know what they say: if you can't fsck the one you love, fsck the one you're with...

///

92 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:43:07pm

re: #90 ggt

Simply for foisting her on the rest of the country for the next umpteen years the GOP should be denied the Oval Office for at least 20 years as a penalty.

GOP is in the penalty box for a 5-year major...

/I blame Canada

93 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:43:15pm

For the heck of it I'm using Mountain Lion's new dictation feature for this comment

Let's see if it can handle contractions and pronouns and all those other grammatical types of things without a lot of hassle what about punctuation

I see punctuation is a problem

94 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:44:00pm

But amazingly it doesn't seem to misspell anything all the words are spelled correctly

95 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:44:17pm

re: #93 Charles Johnson

For the heck of it I'm using Mountain Lion's new dictation feature for this comment

Let's see if it can handle contractions and pronouns and all those other grammatical types of things without a lot of hassle what about punctuation

I see punctuation is a problem

So my kid downloaded it yesterday and says I have to as well.

Think I'll make him do the work.

96 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:45:10pm

re: #94 Charles Johnson

But amazingly it doesn't seem to misspell anything all the words are spelled correctly

Try "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" and jabberwok.

or two, to and too

I got it.

I-CEE, Iced Tea and Hi-C

97 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:46:30pm

re: #89 Kragar

Who has the popcorn?

Dick Cheney: Picking Palin Was A ‘Mistake’

AllahPundit sez....

Both Palin and Cheney are beloved by the conservative base, so I’m not sure which will get beat up more over this commentary. I’d guess that the Left is passing the popcorn this morning.

The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.

98 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:46:46pm

re: #96 ggt

Try "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious" and jabberwock.

Ahem...

/

99 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:46:57pm

Maybe you can say the punctuation?

Ha ha! That's it!!

100 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:47:01pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit sez...

The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was is. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.

ftfy

and her voice is damn irritating.

101 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:53:41pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit sez...

The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.

You're just mad you can't were gold pantaloons anymore.
:P

102 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:53:45pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit sez...

The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.

AP is either clueless or lying when he says that Cheney is still "beloved" by conservatives. Many self-avowed "conservatives" may still dig him, but I'd have to venture a guess that just as many, if not more, decided to turn their back on Darth Cheney once his daughter Mary came out and he showed support for her, instead of publicly disowning her..

103 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:56:21pm

re: #102 TedStriker

AP is either clueless or lying when he says that Cheney is still "beloved" by conservatives. Many self-avowed "conservatives" may still dig him, but I'd have to venture a guess that just as many, if not more, decided to turn their back on Darth Cheney once his daughter Mary came out and he showed support for her, instead of publicly disowning her..

like Alan Keyes?

104 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 3:58:53pm

re: #102 TedStriker

AP is either clueless or lying when he says that Cheney is still "beloved" by conservatives. Many self-avowed "conservatives" may still dig him, but I'd have to venture a guess that just as many, if not more, decided to turn their back on Darth Cheney once his daughter Mary came out and he showed support for her, instead of publicly disowning her..

I think AP is just yanking his reader's chains.

105 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:05:38pm

re: #97 Killgore Trout

AllahPundit sez...

The rank and file wingnuts at Hot Air are still in complete denial about what a political disaster the woman was. But I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from people who still think the Tea Party was a spiffy idea.

Darth Cheney's 'bout as loved as syphilis these days in the conservative ranks, while Caribou Barbie is still yapping to the empty seats that the reason why the party wouldn't invite her to Tampa next month is because they're mad at the things she's saying about campaign finance.

106 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:05:43pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

I'm torn between two ways of doing something in a bash script. Should I use:

[Embedded content]

?

The second method is shorter, but the expr command is deprecated and not used much any more.

What to do?

#FirstWorldProblem

Way, way, way late to this party, but:

I thought I knew bash (almost always a mistake, apparently) but I didn't even know that the expr version was possible. Not using sed when you can use sed seems a bit like enduring kidney stones when you don't have to endure kidney stones. However, I must say that using a semicolon as a delimiter in a sed statement is somewhat jarring to the eye, all things considered.

Never mind.

107 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:11:51pm

I got some email saying my twitter password needs to be reset because there was a breach in security. I never use twitter and forgot I had an account.

Should I believe the email? It just sounded wrong.

108 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:12:23pm

Hiya Lizards!
Back home and pretty exhausted. I heard it was 107 today in Oklahoma.
I sure missed Summer around here.

109 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:14:25pm

re: #108 Digital Display

Hiya Lizards!
Back home and pretty exhausted. I heard it was 107 today in Oklahoma.
I sure missed Summer around here.

My better half is from Texas and claims OK is a southern state. I say it's a Midwestern state. Who's correct?

110 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:16:44pm
111 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:17:20pm

re: #109 Mattand

My better half is from Texas and claims OK is a souther state. I say it's a Midwestern state. Who's correct?

Well.. I've only been here for about 2 years ( time flies)
But everything around here generally says Southern Plains.

112 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:17:28pm

re: #106 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

However, I must say that using a semicolon as a delimiter in a sed statement is somewhat jarring to the eye, all things considered.

Saves the step of escaping the path that's in $JSPATH. I think it's a POSIX standard that regex delimiters should be flexible -- PHP allows different ones too. If you're working with paths, it makes the regex a lot more readable without the backslashes.

113 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:20:26pm

The South Test:

Mention Sherman. If you have to run, you're in the South.

114 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:21:36pm

bbl

115 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:26:46pm

re: #74 Romantic Heretic

Well, okay Mitt. If you want.

But the next time a nation takes land from another nation by force you can't complain. Not without acting like a complete hypocrite.

Oh, wait.

In a defensive war, and the country that it was taken from now considers it a third party's property, but never mind that...

Obama made the same speech, in 2008, and it meant as little then. Love Mitt, hate him, but let's not pretend this was a Special Wingnut Message.

116 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:29:56pm

Dancing with the Stars' producer 'wonders' about Bristol Palin

Bristol Palin, the daughter of former governor/former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin, has gotten strong reactions regarding her return to ABC’s Dancing with the Stars this fall.

Deena Katz, producer of Dancing with the Stars: All-Stars, was asked if Palin would be just as polarizing in her return appearance on the show.

"I don't know. I wonder about her," Katz said. "I wonder about everyone. These guys were the charm of their season....Do they all have the effect they have before? It's not just Bristol. It's all of them. [...]

Kate Gosselin, Kirstie Alley and Pamela Anderson will be among the others who will be seen on the show’s dance floor starting Sept. 24.

"I just think that God provides opportunities like this and you can either do them or not do them. I figure the press will talk about me no matter what, so I may as well have some fun," Palin said.

God provides opportunities to be on a show with Pamela Anderson?

117 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:32:46pm

re: #113 Kragar

The South Test:

Mention Sherman. If you have to run, you're in the South.

You know what I will miss about Oklahoma..There are so many Indian Nations here. A rich history checkered in an American Tragedy like the trail of tears.
Because there are so many Casinos here and political influence there is constantly Public service commercials on TV about the Indian Nations.
It has been very educational.

118 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:34:05pm

Hp cloud capacity is only 1000? What good is that, everyone knows that you need Over 9000!

/sorry, but someone had to say it...

119 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:35:27pm

re: #117 Digital Display

"Indian Territory" is what it was once called.

Oklahoma's history is one of those things in which Mitt Romney thinks America has done no wrong....

120 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:41:21pm

Not a gaffe!

Mitt Romney Campaign Scraps $50,000 Per Plate Jerusalem Fundraiser On A Jewish Fasting Day

Jonny Daniels, a leading Republican political strategist in Israel, told The Huffington Post that the campaign had been aware of the date of the holiday when it scheduled the fundraiser. The campaign thought it could hold the event in a way that would not offend, he said, but was taken by surprise at the ferocity of the public outcry over the timing.

"It wasn't really a gaffe," Daniels said.

121 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:44:55pm
122 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:46:49pm

re: #120 Big Joe

"Oh, we knew what that day was, we just didn't consider their feelings at all! Not a gaffe!"

123 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:47:45pm

And how are these foreign fundraisers even legal?

124 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:47:53pm

re: #120 Big Joe

gaffe
Noun:
An unintentional act or remark causing embarrassment to its originator; a blunder: "an unforgivable social gaffe".

I guess it wasn't unintentional, and the the campaign isn't embarrassed either.

125 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:52:51pm

re: #124 jaunte

At least chorizo wasn't on the menu.

126 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:52:58pm

In Jerusalem speech, it was Romney's voice but Netanyahu's words
"...Romney read his speech from two teleprompters that were placed opposite the stage, but compared to Obama, Romney seemed gray and uncharismatic. Even from this hand-picked, extremely friendly audience, he wasn't able to extract thunderous applause. "

127 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:11pm

re: #123 Mocking Jay

And how are these foreign fundraisers even legal?

They are raising funds from American citizens abroad.

128 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:29pm

re: #126 jaunte

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In Jerusalem speech, it was Romney's voice but Netanyahu's words
"...Romney read his speech from two teleprompters that were placed opposite the stage, but compared to Obama, Romney seemed gray and uncharismatic. Even from this hand-picked, extremely friendly audience, he wasn't able to extract thunderous applause. "

What?! Not just one, but two TELEPROMPTERS!!

129 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:37pm

re: #127 Big Joe

They are raising funds from American citizens abroad.

Hrm. Alrighty then.

130 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:54:52pm

re: #128 freetoken

What?! Not just one, but two TELEPROMPTERS!!

One for each face?

131 Four More Tears  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:55:18pm

re: #127 Big Joe

They are raising funds from American citizens abroad.

Do they ask for their papers at the door?

/

132 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:56:08pm

Sheldon Adelson is contributing a lot of Chinese money.

133 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 4:56:52pm

re: #123 Mocking Jay

And how are these foreign fundraisers even legal?

As long as you're taking money from U.S. citizens, it's perfectly in the clear, regardless of where they live, or where you meet them. Obama's campaign is apparently doing one in Geneva later this summer.

134 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:12:28pm

re: #132 jaunte

Sheldon Adelson is contributing a lot of Chinese money.

I imagine so is Microsoft. As Willie Sutton said about banks...

135 researchok  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:13:42pm

re: #123 Mocking Jay

This isn't new.

Obama has also had foreign fundraisers.

They target expat voters.

136 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:14:10pm

On another topic, on my regular review of creationism... I notice that over on Biologos, even when good, meaty articles are presented the comments now are dominated by creationists, and that few of the evolution-accepting religious bother to comment any more. E.g., this article:

Becoming Human: New Insights from Genome-wide Functional Genomics

Venema does good work, but the creationists are having nothing of it.

I think the problem for Biologos is that they were/are just too wedded to orthodoxy, in wanting to relate to the fundamentalists and evangelicals, with respect to other aspects of "Christianity" for their heterodoxy on evolution to have any more impact.

That is, those religious who are being affected by secular science to give up on the old worldviews are doing so in spite of any activity that Biologos is doing, and those fundamentalists who are rejecting modernity will continue to do so in spite of any activity that Biologos is doing.

This is turning to prove the skeptics of the whole venture, such as Jerry Coyne, correct in their assertion that this attempt by Templeton et. al. to bridge worldviews is a waste of time.

137 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:16:03pm

Oh, and - I finally debugged the MP3 player problems in Spy mode. Should be fine now, using the HTML5 player so it works with mobile devices.

138 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:17:01pm

Would this be considered church involvement in politics?

Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.

139 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:18:08pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Let's test:

140 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:18:50pm

Yup, it works.

141 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:20:05pm

re: #138 dragonfire1981

Would this be considered church involvement in politics?

Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.

What public office is Chik-Fil-A running for?

142 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:20:33pm

re: #138 dragonfire1981

In my opinion, no.

The prohibition against political activity in tax-free houses of worship has to do with actual political offices.

Technically speaking, the Chik-Fil-A thing isn't politics.

143 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:21:43pm

re: #138 dragonfire1981

Would this be considered church involvement in politics?

Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.

Well, Chick-Fil-A is not a political organization. There's a clear political slant to the reasoning here, but it's not like saying "Good Christians will vote for XXXX."

I doubt it's illegally political.

144 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:22:28pm

Mississippi Church refuses to marry black couple

They had booked their wedding far in advance. The invitations had been sent, the programs printed. But one day before Charles and Te'Andrea Wilson were to be married at the Mississippi church they frequented, they said a pastor told them they would have to find another venue -- because they were black.

There has never been a black wedding at the First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Miss., since its founding in 1883. According to Pastor Stan Weatherford, some church members objected so strongly to breaking that precedent, they threatened to oust him from his pastorship.

I don't think these people really understand what Jesus was actually all about.

145 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:25:52pm

re: #138 dragonfire1981

Would this be considered church involvement in politics?

Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.

Why the 3rd specifically?

(This is functionally irrelevant to me--there's no Chick-Fil-A's in Portland.)

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:26:59pm

re: #144 dragonfire1981

Mississippi Church refuses to marry black couple

I don't think these people really understand what Jesus was actually all about.

Saw that. It's astonishing, especially given that they apparently had this couple attending services there long enough to decide they wanted to be married out of the church, and they didn't notice they were surrounded by crazy racists.

I guess the crazy racists stayed away, and the people who came up and talked to them after services were pleasant. Or something.

I really hope the Rev. Weatherford preaches on nothing but the evils of racism until they are forced to either get their act together or fire him.

The detail I really don't get is this thing about how they haven't had a black couple married in their church since 1883. What are they doing, going for a record? The century is up.

147 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:28:17pm

re: #145 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Why the 3rd specifically?

(This is functionally irrelevant to me--there's no Chick-Fil-A's in Portland.)

I only learned to pronounce Chick-Fil-A from the news, this week. (I also learned from the Olympics coverage that Cape Verde is not pronounced like it looks to me.) I had been saying "Chick-Fill-Uh".

My nearest one is in Fairfield, CA, which is far enough that I'm certainly not going to go out there just to boycott them from closer up.

148 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:28:35pm

WND, whose top headline, in red, says "RUSH, HANNITY, SAVAGE FACE 'DEATH BY OBAMA'" ... classic headline writing... is now going for the multi-talking-point wingnut cluster-fuck award with their top story titled:

2ND AMENDMENT PROVES VALID DEFENSE AGAINST BLACK GANGS

And there you've got it, Guns and Race all in one thread. It's a shiny new thread, but the comments will pour in quickly, I propose.

149 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:30:27pm

One hour till the fast ends here.

How can Muslims do this for an entire freakin month?

150 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:31:20pm

re: #149 Learned Mother of Zion

One hour till the fast ends here.

How can Muslims do this for an entire freakin month?

Ramadan's not a 24-hour fast.

And hell if I know. Especially in summer.

151 Big Joe Ghazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:32:45pm

re: #147 SanFranciscoZionist

I only learned to pronounce Chick-Fil-A from the news, this week. (I also learned from the Olympics coverage that Cape Verde is not pronounced like it looks to me.) I had been saying "Chick-Fill-Uh".

My nearest one is in Fairfield, CA, which is far enough that I'm certainly not going to go out there just to boycott them from closer up.

They are planning one for Walnut Creek.

152 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:35:04pm

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

Ramadan's not a 24-hour fast.

And hell if I know. Especially in summer.

I know that the Ramadan fast is only during the daylight hours.

So what? Still totally freaking hard.

My kids always used to ask "why is it called a fast, it should be called a slow."

153 darthstar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:35:06pm
154 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:35:09pm

re: #149 Learned Mother of Zion

One hour till the fast ends here.

How can Muslims do this for an entire freakin month?

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

Ramadan's not a 24-hour fast.

And hell if I know. Especially in summer.

IIRC, Ramadan fasts are from dawn to dusk.

155 dragonath  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:38:26pm

My muslim uncle would get big juicy burgers from the local diner once the sun set. I used to kind of look forward to Ramadan.

156 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:39:32pm

Will dictation be useful in doing common functions, such as entering, say, comments here?

157 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:41:47pm

re: #148 freetoken

WND, whose top headline, in red, says "RUSH, HANNITY, SAVAGE FACE 'DEATH BY OBAMA'" ... classic headline writing... is now going for the multi-talking-point wingnut cluster-fuck award with their top story titled:

2ND AMENDMENT PROVES VALID DEFENSE AGAINST BLACK GANGS

And there you've got it, Guns and Race all in one thread. It's a shiny new thread, but the comments will pour in quickly, I propose.

I see they're finally going for the Stormfront readership out in the open. Here's a pic of the guy that wrote it which I found here.

158 darthstar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:43:35pm

re: #156 freetoken

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Will dictation be useful in doing common functions, such as entering, say, comments here?

I use it from my phone, and quite successfully. Even tried texting 'supercalifragilisticexpialadocious' to a friend and got it the first time (though it put a space between fragilistic and expialadocious).

159 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:43:45pm

re: #152 Learned Mother of Zion

I know that the Ramadan fast is only during the daylight hours.

So what? Still totally freaking hard.

My kids always used to ask "why is it called a fast, it should be called a slow."

The first week is brutal, after that your body adjusts (somewhat) to the deprivation. But, yeah, it's still totally freaking hard. ;)

I don't know how outdoor manual laborers manage it during the summer.

160 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:45:58pm

re: #157 Gus

I see they're finally going for the Stormfront readership out in the open. Here's a pic of the guy that wrote it which I found here.

Yeah.

I notice that one of his followers is Karl Rove. How nice.

161 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:47:45pm

re: #160 freetoken

Yeah.

I notice that one of his followers is Karl Rove. How nice.

Karl Rove, Lee Atwater... Southern Strategy. This weirdo wrote some book called "White Girl Bleeds a Lot" which is about "a return of race riots to American." He also seems to follow Pamella Geller and was interviewed by David Horowitz's Front Page Magazine.

162 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:50:27pm

re: #161 Gus

Well, Karl Rove follows just about anybody on Twitter. But you got my point. Rove has to keep his pulse on whatever the wingnuts are hyper-ventilating upon, in order to maneuver his client to hoover up those folk.

163 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:51:55pm

re: #162 freetoken

Well, Karl Rove follows just about anybody on Twitter. But you got my point. Rove has to keep his pulse on whatever the wingnuts are hyper-ventilating upon, in order to maneuver his client to hoover up those folk.

Yep. Anglo-Saxon (cough). Oops. We didn't say that. Yeah, right.

//

164 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:58:57pm

re: #156 freetoken

[Embedded content]

Will dictation be useful in doing common functions, such as entering, say, comments here?

Well, you still have to click in order to quote a comment or add something to someone else's comments so it's probably useful in a small way if you don't have access to a keyboard.

I'm very impressed with how much this technology has advanced, though.

165 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 5:59:32pm

re: #92 TedStriker

GOP is in the penalty box for a 5-year major...

/I blame Canada

Hey!!

166 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:01:42pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

Thanks. I'm considering a massive (3 generation) upgrade, from 10.5.8 to Mountain Lion. I realize it can't be done in one step and I'll need to buy one of the intermediate OSX versions... but what I fear is losing stuff, like data, or operability of old software.

167 abolitionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:02:43pm

re: #45 b_sharp

The granddaddy of many languages. My first language was 'Action!' which was a minimalist version of C.

It was about 1950 when I was introduced to the concept of "code." (Yeah, I'm old.)

One day, I said "Grampa. Why don't you answer the phone?" He explained, "It's not my ring."

Much later, I realized that wasn't really my intro to "code". By then, I'd already learned to respond to my own name differently from other words and sounds.

168 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:05:21pm

re: #117 Digital Display

You know what I will miss about Oklahoma..There are so many Indian Nations here. A rich history checkered in an American Tragedy like the trail of tears.
Because there are so many Casinos here and political influence there is constantly Public service commercials on TV about the Indian Nations.
It has been very educational.

Come up here for a few days and I'll take you for a tour of several First Nations.

169 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:07:01pm

EmmmieG, are you here?

170 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:08:34pm

re: #164 Charles Johnson

Thanks for the 411 on Mountain Lion, btw. I'm prolly gonna upgrade this coming week.

171 dragonfire1981  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:13:45pm

OT,

I've been watching "An Idiot abroad" with my wife and I freaking love this show. I'm a huge Ricky Gervais fan.

172 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:15:56pm

re: #138 dragonfire1981

Would this be considered church involvement in politics?

Before the start of the Sermon today, the Preacher at our church strongly encouraged everyone to go out on 8/3 and get Chik-Fil-A food to support them for their views on marriage.

Legally, probably not since it's not an explicit "you must vote for x" kind of thing Practically? Well, had I been there I'd have gotten up and silently walked out at that point because I'd know that he wasn't going to be teaching about Jesus.

173 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:16:58pm

re: #170 CuriousLurker

Thanks for the 411 on Mountain Lion, btw. I'm prolly gonna upgrade this coming week.

I updated from Lucid Lynx to Precise Pangolin on my servers and from Oneiric Ocelot to Precise Pangolin on my desktops and I'm about to go to Quantal Quetzal.

(I felt all left out)

174 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:17:58pm

re: #166 freetoken

Thanks. I'm considering a massive (3 generation) upgrade, from 10.5.8 to Mountain Lion. I realize it can't be done in one step and I'll need to buy one of the intermediate OSX versions... but what I fear is losing stuff, like data, or operability of old software.

Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.

I have two external HDs connected at all times. One is a bootable clone of the startup system courtesy of SuperDuper. This runs once a day. The other is for Time Machine, which runs on the hour.

I'm also using Crash Plan for cloud backup. Critical work is backed up every four hours. If I'm really worried about a specific project, I'll even back that up to a USB Flash drive.

Did I mention you should back up?

175 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:19:28pm

re: #174 Mattand

Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.

Yes.

However, that won't help the older software that has not been maintained through the new generations.

176 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:19:35pm

re: #155 Fred Galt

My muslim uncle would get big juicy burgers from the local diner once the sun set. I used to kind of look forward to Ramadan.

My FiL was raised Baptist in Alabama and every Friday night it was his family tradition to have hamburgers. Then he married a very Catholic Swiss woman from Wisconsin. He'd wait till midnight on Friday nights and then go have his hamburger. Especially since he didn't much like fish to begin with... ;)

177 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:19:37pm

re: #174 Mattand

Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.

I have two external HDs connected at all times. One is a bootable clone of the startup system courtesy of SuperDuper. This runs once a day. The other is for Time Machine, which runs on the hour.

I'm also using Crash Plan for cloud backup. Critical work is backed up every four hours. If I'm really worried about a specific project, I'll even back that up to a USB Flash drive.

Did I mention you should back up?

I would suggest he back up his drive before upgrading. What do you think?

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:22:15pm

re: #173 b_sharp

I updated from Lucid Lynx to Precise Pangolin on my servers and from Oneiric Ocelot to Precise Pangolin on my desktops and I'm about to go to Quantal Quetzal.

(I felt all left out)

Heh. I recently started running Precise on my decade old Dell. Not too bad with XCFE4 & upping all the way to it's max of 2 gb of RAM. Still not a speed deamon but at least I can run Chrome with 15+ tabs open & a LispM emulator running and not be hitting the swap partition.

179 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:24:17pm

re: #174 Mattand

Back up, back up, back up, at least as far as the data is concerned.

I have two external HDs connected at all times. One is a bootable clone of the startup system courtesy of SuperDuper. This runs once a day. The other is for Time Machine, which runs on the hour.

I'm also using Crash Plan for cloud backup. Critical work is backed up every four hours. If I'm really worried about a specific project, I'll even back that up to a USB Flash drive.

Did I mention you should back up?

Super Duper is a must-have for Mac users. I have a fully bootable external drive that's a dedicated daily mirror image backup of my startup drive.

And I back that up with Time Machine backups of the more valuable stuff on another external drive.

I've learned the hard way to maintain multiple backups.

180 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:24:57pm

re: #175 freetoken

Yes.

However, that won't help the older software that has not been maintained through the new generations.

Yeah, I feel your pain on that. I was running Abobe CS2 stuff on a G5 with 10.4 Tiger for the longest time. Literally years. I had already skipped two generations of Intel Mac hardware, and it was getting harder to find software that didn't require 10.5.

Apple makes great stuff, but they are ruthless with cutting off/obsoleting older hardware.

181 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:29:23pm

re: #171 dragonfire1981

OT,

I've been watching "An Idiot abroad" with my wife and I freaking love this show. I'm a huge Ricky Gervais fan.

It took me a while to understand Karl Pilkington. He is a savant but not in the way I expected. He's a comedic genius but lacks the skills to make it work on his own. He doesn't do interviews or promote himself, I don't think he's capable or interested. I'm glad Gervaise and Merchant recognized his talents, otherwise we'd never hear of him.

182 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:29:24pm

re: #178 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. I recently started running Precise on my decade old Dell. Not too bad with XCFE4 & upping all the way to it's max of 2 gb of RAM. Still not a speed deamon but at least I can run Chrome with 15+ tabs open & a LispM emulator running and not be hitting the swap partition.

I'm starting to prefer XCFE over Gnome, but I still have Gnome on my Ubuntu VMs. I have a CentOS VM with XCFE because it's really a server OS. When I need to get something interesting done, like writing code, I pull up a Linux VM.

183 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:29:52pm

re: #179 Charles Johnson

Well, I have a G-Tech mobile drive that via Timemachine is backing up my system disk every hour. I also have a couple of external drives which duplicate data on each other that I really don't want to lose.

Having just gone through another hard drive failure (second this year), and after years of having hard drives fail on me fairly regularly (since I leave them on continually, and 10,000 hours MTBF does seem to be about the target), I've been hoping for years that the solid state secondary memory would come down in price. I know Apple is offering the solid state "drives" as options on their notebooks now... hopefully someday soon the price will be low enough to make it ubiquitous

184 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:30:25pm

In my last 30 years of personal computer use, I'd say I've been averaging about 1 HD failure per year.

185 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:33:36pm

re: #183 freetoken

Well, I have a G-Tech mobile drive that via Timemachine is backing up my system disk every hour. I also have a couple of external drives which duplicate data on each other that I really don't want to lose.

Having just gone through another hard drive failure (second this year), and after years of having hard drives fail on me fairly regularly (since I leave them on continually, and 10,000 hours MTBF does seem to be about the target), I've been hoping for years that the solid state secondary memory would come down in price. I know Apple is offering the solid state "drives" as options on their notebooks now... hopefully someday soon the price will be low enough to make it ubiquitous

I just had a Corsair SSD go belly up on me. I'm not so sure they'll be any better than HDDs.

186 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:34:16pm

One of the most nightmarish backup experiences I've ever had was when I was using Microsoft Entourage as my email client, and the main database got corrupted -- but in a way that let it keep on loading for weeks.

Eventually, the whole thing crashed and I opened Entourage with a sickening feeling as 3+ years of saved emails just vanished.

And it got worse, because that incremental corruption meant that all the multiple backups I'd been archiving were worthless. I went back to the earliest backup, and even that would not import into Entourage.

When the software itself betrays you, no backup strategy will save you.

Needless to say, I'll never use a Microsoft email client again.

187 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:34:41pm

re: #184 freetoken

In my last 30 years of personal computer use, I'd say I've been averaging about 1 HD failure per year.

What are you doing to them? That's way higher than I've experienced.

188 Charles Johnson  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:36:36pm

Hence the random aphorism, "Microsoft lied, database died."

189 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:37:20pm

re: #120 Big Joe

Not a gaffe!

Mitt Romney Campaign Scraps $50,000 Per Plate Jerusalem Fundraiser On A Jewish Fasting Day

I made a crack the other day about Romney hosting a pork BBQ dinner on Sunday/today, once I found out what Tisha B'Av was.

I really, honestly did not think Romney, or more specifically the rock-stupid tree stumps running his campaign, would be dumb enough to host a lavish dinner on one of Judism's most important fasting holidays.

I shouldn't be shocked at this. No one can possibly be this incompetent. This is up there with Bush, on the eve of Iraq 2.0, supposedly not knowing there are different branches of Islam

How do you visit a country, particularly a religious one, and not do even a frigging two minute search at Wikipedia Community College?

190 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:37:43pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

Hence the random aphorism, "Microsoft lied, database died."

Outlook has corrupted so many dbs, I went and bought a repair app. It's more than paid for itself.

191 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:38:30pm

re: #187 b_sharp

What are you doing to them? That's way higher than I've experienced.

Don't know. I tend to leave mine on continuously... and if I have say 3 at any one time, they average less than 3 years of life... hence about 1 per year.

192 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:40:53pm

re: #182 b_sharp

I'm starting to prefer XCFE over Gnome, but I still have Gnome on my Ubuntu VMs. I have a CentOS VM with XCFE because it's really a server OS. When I need to get something interesting done, like writing code, I pull up a Linux VM.

I notice that XFCE is significantly faster on this hardware. If I run Gnome or, god forbid, Unity on this machine it's unusable. But with XFCE I can have Chrome up, Rhythmbox streaming, that emulator running, one or three little things running and still only be at about 80% memory & cpu commit.

I still like my macbook better but it's dying and we don't have the grand for a new one. At least sheared of Windows, this wee old 1.8ghz P4m can be useful for me.

193 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:42:43pm

re: #191 freetoken

Don't know. I tend to leave mine on continuously... and if I have say 3 at any one time, they average less than 3 years of life... hence about 1 per year.

They should spin down when not needed, even if you leave the system on.
I've had two in one of my servers that has been going constantly for 5 years. The other server is only two years old, but no problems yet. I'm building a third server with RAID 0 because I've had so few problems with drives. I have more problems with drives where the electrical system is iffy.

194 Killgore Trout  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:42:58pm

Karl learns about Biology and Time travel

195 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:43:38pm

re: #188 Charles Johnson

Hence the random aphorism, "Microsoft lied, database died."

I stopped trusting Redmond around DOS 3.x "DOS isn't done till Lotus won't run."

196 Digital Display  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:43:49pm

Political Animals..9pm CST USA tonight
I have given this show scathing reviews the last 2 weeks. It's really too bad cause it would be great to have a solid political drama during the fall season..Say like West Wing..This show won't make it..
Producers and writers: You should be fired.. You made a combination of all of my children soap opera mixed with Primary colors with every character a stereotype cast. You had to retread Bill and Hillary Clinton with a little spin?
( at least the writers threw in a gay drug addicted son and the respectable son for a little change up. ) This isn't the 90's. With all the possibilities of political drama to write about, esp. with great actors you choose the Bill and Hillary show..Weak.
My advise to the show is to follow the words of that rap song in 8 mile.
Grab a pencil and home and get some fucking imagination
End of review

197 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:43:49pm

re: #192 William Barnett-Lewis

I notice that XFCE is significantly faster on this hardware. If I run Gnome or, god forbid, Unity on this machine it's unusable. But with XFCE I can have Chrome up, Rhythmbox streaming, that emulator running, one or three little things running and still only be at about 80% memory & cpu commit.

I still like my macbook better but it's dying and we don't have the grand for a new one. At least sheared of Windows, this wee old 1.8ghz P4m can be useful for me.

Unity sucks.
Gnome 3 is sucky but improving.

198 prairiefire  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:44:58pm

re: #181 Killgore Trout

It took me a while to understand Karl Pilkington. He is a savant but not in the way I expected. He's a comedic genius but lacks the skills to make it work on his own. He doesn't do interviews or promote himself, I don't think he's capable or interested. I'm glad Gervaise and Merchant recognized his talents, otherwise we'd never hear of him.

When he was dressed up as a woman by the "showgirl" transvestites in Thailand, (I think) his dawning empathy for those entertainers was a joy to watch.

199 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 6:46:04pm

re: #195 William Barnett-Lewis

I stopped trusting Redmond around DOS 3.x "DOS isn't done till Lotus won't run."

I hate to admit it, but I started with Windows at Windows 2, about the same time I went with OS/2.

200 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:00:33pm

re: #199 b_sharp

I hate to admit it, but I started with Windows at Windows 2, about the same time I went with OS/2.

I liked OS/2. I ran 2.x & Warp on a 386sx laptop with a whopping 16mb of ram. It was fun having multiple dos windows open with programs safe from each other. If they would have had a decent input queue handling, it would have been perfect.

201 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:03:06pm

obligatory daily beebee kitteh!

not a happy one either!

202 b_Snark  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:03:28pm

re: #200 William Barnett-Lewis

I liked OS/2. I ran 2.x & Warp on a 386sx laptop with a whopping 16mb of ram. It was fun having multiple dos windows open with programs safe from each other. If they would have had a decent input queue handling, it would have been perfect.

I just threw out my 2.1 and Warp disks and books a few months ago, along with several generations of DOS.

203 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:05:06pm

re: #201 ggt

obligatory daily beebee kitteh!

not a happy one either!

Halp meh!

204 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:14:38pm

re: #202 b_sharp

I just threw out my 2.1 and Warp disks and books a few months ago, along with several generations of DOS.

I know the feeling. I tossed lots of old stuff when we moved in June. The rather sad one to me was the Describe CD. First application I bought that was distributed on CD. Decent word processor but it wasn't going to make a dent in the market domination of Word.

Kept my Wordstar 7.0D (the very last version) floppies though.

205 Varek Raith  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:17:37pm

re: #204 William Barnett-Lewis

I know the feeling. I tossed lots of old stuff when we moved in June. The rather sad one to me was the Describe CD. First application I bought that was distributed on CD. Decent word processor but it wasn't going to make a dent in the market domination of Word.

Kept my Wordstar 7.0D (the very last version) floppies though.

Not sure whether to be impressed or sad....
/

206 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:30:13pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Not sure whether to be impressed or sad...
/

First full price real software I bought. $495 Damn right I'll keep them.

207 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:55:31pm
208 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:56:26pm

re: #207 Gus

/facepalm

209 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:56:58pm

re: #208 Kragar

/facepalm

True story.

210 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 7:59:40pm

Scott Adams has a very good riff on Big Data and the Cloud in today's Dilbert.

211 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:03:15pm

re: #207 Gus

As often, it's the product of Weird Nut Daily. Here's a Tweet from the WND columnist who started this hateful meme:

212 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:06:13pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

As often, it's the product of Weird Nut Daily. Here's a Tweet from the WND columnist who started this hateful meme:

I know. Was reading about him earlier. Real axe to grind or something.

213 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:08:22pm

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

As often, it's the product of Weird Nut Daily. Here's a Tweet from the WND columnist who started this hateful meme:

But should people be allowed to defend themselves regardless of anything? Of course. This however is flagrant race baiting based on an imaginary trend.

214 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:08:36pm

They're hallucinating. ;)

215 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:11:00pm

re: #212 Gus

I know. Was reading about him earlier. Real axe to grind or something.

I think I've mentioned this before, but at one time he posted for David Horowitz's Frontpagemag.com (this was late 2005-early 2006, before Horowitz went Full Mental Wingnut). He lasted only 3 columns, with the last one so blatantly bigoted that Horowitz booted him and pulled it from FPMag's website. Since showing up on WND, Colin Flaherty has been even worse. He clearly thinks black people are mostly violent savages.

216 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:14:21pm

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

I think I've mentioned this before, but at one time he posted for David Horowitz's Frontpagemag.com (this was late 2005-early 2006, before Horowitz went Full Mental Wingnut). He lasted only 3 columns, with the last one so blatantly bigoted that Horowitz booted him and pulled it from FPMag's website. Since showing up on WND, Colin Flaherty has been even worse. He clearly thinks black people are mostly violent savages.

You know the only time I ever heard him he sounded like this psychedelic, former radical leftists I've got the rage in me and know I'm a Republican voting conservative anti Jihadist and! ... He's just so strung out so much of the time. It's not always just about politics. You have these personalities.

217 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:17:32pm

re: #213 Gus

But should people be allowed to defend themselves regardless of anything? Of course. This however is flagrant race baiting based on an imaginary trend.

Sorry, but Chicago has seen a number of such mob attacks this year, so its not purely imaginary. But it is nonetheless a problem that can be dealt with via resolute police action. It is noteworthy that such attacks are not occurring in New York City, due to a large, well trained and well directed police force.

But that police force also has a very low rate of officer involved shootings and actively works to keep it low (while not endangering its police officers). Shooting members of that kind of 'youth mob' is sub-optimal: Guns should be a last resort, with the law changed to allow civilians more powerful pepper sprays as a non-lethal anti-mob option. The honorable object is 'deter and disperse', only shitheads and psychos actually want to kill in that kind of situation.

218 dragonath  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:18:43pm

re: #207 Gus

"Main Street Media" That's a new one. Their talking points are getting corrupted!

Someone needs to get Grampa away from the word processor!

219 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:18:59pm

Was outside. Thinking. If Israel says their capital is Jerusalem then the capital is Jerusalem. In any case, it is not for me to make the case.

220 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:20:04pm

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

But you're talking about "mob" attacks. It's not even in the context of these people worrying about it. Inter gang violence has been a high trend for decades now.

221 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:21:10pm

...disputed territory...

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:28:04pm

re: #189 Mattand

I made a crack the other day about Romney hosting a pork BBQ dinner on Sunday/today, once I found out what Tisha B'Av was.

I really, honestly did not think Romney, or more specifically the rock-stupid tree stumps running his campaign, would be dumb enough to host a lavish dinner on one of Judism's most important fasting holidays.

I shouldn't be shocked at this. No one can possibly be this incompetent. This is up there with Bush, on the eve of Iraq 2.0, supposedly not knowing there are different branches of Islam

How do you visit a country, particularly a religious one, and not do even a frigging two minute search at Wikipedia Community College?

I THINK that the original plan was to have the fundraiser after sundown, so it would be a sort of break-the-fast/fundraiser dinner, but they may just have screwed up.

As blunders go, it does seem to undermine the idea that Sheldon Adelson is running the Romney campaign, unless Adelson somehow thought this made sense.

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:29:22pm

re: #207 Gus

I wonder how many of the people getting excited about this live anywhere near where there are 'black gangs'.

224 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:30:37pm

re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist

I wonder how many of the people getting excited about this live anywhere near where there are 'black gangs'.

I don't know I'm just shaking my head. These people are living in some paranoid world that doesn't exist.

225 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:32:58pm

Black gangs will shoot you down in your driveway.

We'll be back after we hear from our new sponsor, American Steel Building, Inc.

226 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:41:26pm

I mean, I could get in a car and drive from my house to the heart of gang-controlled North Richmond in about twenty minutes, half an hour. I know where to go. Got lost there late at night once. Not actually planning to go back.

But I live in a nice, suburban little spot, and my neighborhood protects me far more effectively from gang violence than any number of guns I might own possibly could.

Here's the thing about 'black gangs'. Their victims are black people from poor neighborhoods. If you're white, and living anywhere but the heart of the hood, (actual hood, not OMG, there's some peeling paint next door) and worrying about the Crips getting your ass, you're being pretentious and stupid.


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