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1 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:20:10pm

The logical consequence of the Empty Cradle. This one will be the lead-in to a Mark Steyn column with two weeks, I feel sure of that.

2 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:22:14pm

Awww. It wants a hug.

3 makeitstop  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:29:41pm

Yes, creepy indeed.

4 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:30:08pm

I want to find and have a stern discussion with the person who imported mosaic technology to Japan.

5 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:31:14pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

The logical consequence of the Empty Cradle. This one will be the lead-in to a Mark Steyn column with two weeks, I feel sure of that.

I think it's more the logical consequence of the apparent immunity of the Japanese, alone among the peoples of the Earth, to being creeped out by the things that lurk in the Uncanny Valley.

6 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:32:05pm

re: #5 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it's more the logical consequence of the apparent immunity of the Japanese, alone among the peoples of the Earth, to being creeped out by the things that lurk in the Uncanny Valley.

Eh?

7 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:35:36pm

re: #6 Dark_Falcon

Eh?

I sort of joke, but there's a thing in Japanese culture for stuff--dolls, robots, puppets--that looks eerily human. I don't know what it comes from, but it's creepy. Except the Japanese don't seem to think so.

However, the term 'uncanny valley' was actually coined by a Japanese researcher...

8 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:38:04pm
"...When she had come down from the nursery, Monica had de-opaqued the windows, so that they now revealed the vista of garden beyond. Artificial sunlight was growing long and golden across the lawn - and David and Teddy were staring through the window at them.
Seeing their faces, Henry and his wife grew serious.
"What do we do about them?" Henry asked.
"Teddy's no trouble. He works well."
"Is David malfunctioning?"
"His verbal communication-center is still giving trouble. I think he'll have to go back to the factory again."
"Okay. We'll see how he does before the baby's born."

-- Brian Aldiss,
Super-Toys Last All Summer Long

9 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:38:05pm

Arrgh, baby robot! NOOO..... *squeezes eyes shut*

10 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:39:07pm

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Arrgh, baby robot! NOOO... *squeezes eyes shut*

Fear not. It's just Data as a child.

11 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:39:10pm

I for one will welcome our new Japanese pseudo baby robotic overlords...

12 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:41:26pm

re: #9 CuriousLurker

Arrgh, baby robot! NOOO... *squeezes eyes shut*

"Oh, robot baby, give me a hug....thats enough..really,, you're squeezing too.. URK- *SNAP*"

13 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:41:38pm

re: #11 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I for one will welcome our new Japanese pseudo baby robotic overlords...

You don't do it for Japanese robot baby. Japanese robot baby does it for you!

[Sound of electric guitars tuning up.]

14 makeitstop  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:42:07pm

re: #7 SanFranciscoZionist

I sort of joke, but there's a thing in Japanese culture for stuff--dolls, robots, puppets--that looks eerily human. I don't know what it comes from, but it's creepy. Except the Japanese don't seem to think so.

However, the term 'uncanny valley' was actually coined by a Japanese researcher...

My two nieces and their daughters came to NYC last year and we met them for an afternoon in Times Square. There is an enormous Toys R Us there, so in we went.

I was walking past a display of dolls and noticed one box holding 'triplets.' When I got about a foot away from the box the dolls started moving. Motion sensors.

Creeped. Right. Out.

15 dragonath  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:42:16pm

Hey, look. It's the newest Romney.

16 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:43:16pm

re: #15 Fred Galt

Hey, look. It's the newest Romney.

Mahogany with Santa Fe silver trim.

Please be seated.

17 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:43:42pm

Sometimes I wish they would just stick with tentacle porn.

18 jaunte  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:43:54pm

re: #15 Fred Galt

Image: mittney.jpg

19 CuriousLurker  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:44:40pm

Speaking of weird baby stuff, I just came over here because I stumbled upon this diaper cream online called Boudreaux's Baby Butt Paste. Nearly choked on my coffee. *snort* Their domain is buttpaste.com.

I guess one benefit of robot babies is no diaper rash...

20 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:45:59pm

re: #17 Mocking Jay

Sometimes I wish they would just stick with tentacle porn.

Wow, now I'm wondering how many other people updinged that.

21 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:47:20pm

re: #18 jaunte

Image: mittney.jpg

Milton.

22 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:48:37pm

Poor old dear Milton. He has suffered so much...

23 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:51:56pm

re: #22 Gus

Poor old dear Milton. He has suffered so much...

"These cookies, they don't look home made...and the trees height... just doesn't seem right."

24 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:51:57pm

re: #20 Kragar

Wow, now I'm wondering how many other people updinged that.

Well I can't really stand anime so what else did I have to work with?

25 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:52:40pm

re: #23 Kragar

"These cookies, they don't look home made...and the trees height... just doesn't seem right."

"These Olympics... they concern me..."

26 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:54:12pm

re: #23 Kragar

"These cookies, they don't look home made...and the trees height... just doesn't seem right."

That's when Steve McQueen does a bike jump over you. Hold still.

27 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:54:16pm

re: #24 Mocking Jay

Well I can't really stand anime so what else did I have to work with?

Well, you could have brought up ninja sword-fighting instead.

28 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:54:57pm

re: #24 Mocking Jay

Well I can't really stand anime so what else did I have to work with?

Samurai movies, sushi, ramen, business models...

29 Gus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:56:12pm

re: #28 Kragar

Samurai movies, sushi, ramen, business models...

It's all good.

30 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 8:59:48pm

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

Well, you could have brought up ninja sword-fighting instead.

re: #28 Kragar

Samurai movies, sushi, ramen, business models...

You're missing the point where I pick something disturbing to point out how creepy robot babies are.

31 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:01:04pm

Could be worse. Could be wearing a gas mask and asking "Are you my mummy?"

32 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:01:19pm

re: #30 Mocking Jay

re: #28 Kragar

You're missing the point where I pick something disturbing to point out how creepy robot babies are.

What was the disturbing part?

33 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:02:09pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Could be worse. Could be wearing a gas mask and asking "Are you my mummy?"

GET YOUR TICKETS HERE!!!

34 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:03:15pm

re: #31 Targetpractice

Could be worse. Could be wearing a gas mask and asking "Are you my mummy?"

Dude, they don't your help.

35 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:07:20pm

re: #34 Mocking Jay

Dude, they don't your help.

I can't believe you the whole thing.

36 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:07:47pm

Mitt promising to attack Iran is not going to sit well with the GOP's Tea Party contingency, many of whom will be holding Ron Paul signs on the floor at the GOP convention.

37 Targetpractice  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:08:35pm

re: #33 Kragar

GET YOUR TICKETS HERE!!!

[Embedded content]

Ah, good old fashioned nightmare fuel.

38 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:08:54pm

While watching this video my mind drifted off to this Page... and well, the cross product wasn't pretty.

39 Mocking Jay  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:10:29pm

re: #35 Kragar

I can't believe you the whole thing.

Bite me.

40 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:14:27pm

MST3K - 0816 - Prince of Space

41 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:16:00pm

re: #36 Mich-again

Mitt promising to attack Iran is not going to sit well with the GOP's Tea Party contingency, many of whom will be holding Ron Paul signs on the floor at the GOP convention.

and that's like Obama ordering drone attacks: both candidates understand that neither pacifism nor isolationism are viable policy options. Those in either party who cannot accept this can flounce. At some point you just have to accept you're never going to please the nutbars, because they do not think in realistic terms. Only thing to do is ignore them and get on with the job.

42 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:17:01pm

I vaguely remember something about a democratic election in the Middle East during GWB's term in which some Islamist group called Hamas or something won. Not sure what Mitt is talking about here..

“The Arab Spring is not appropriately named,” Romney told the newspaper. “It has become a development of more concern and it occurred in part because of the reluctance on the part of various dictators to provide more freedom to their citizens. President [George W.] Bush urged [deposed Egyptian President] Hosni Mubarak to move toward a more democratic posture, but President Obama abandoned the freedom agenda and we are seeing today a whirlwind of tumult in the Middle East in part because these nations did not embrace the reforms that could have changed the course of their history, in a more peaceful manner.”

43 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:23:03pm

re: #42 Mich-again

I vaguely remember something about a democratic election in the Middle East during GWB's term in which some Islamist group called Hamas or something won. Not sure what Mitt is talking about here..

Because free elections after decades is perfect evidence that freedom has been abandoned.

44 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:23:04pm

re: #41 Dark_Falcon

and that's like Obama ordering drone attacks: both candidates understand that neither pacifism nor isolationism are viable policy options. Those in either party who cannot accept this can flounce. At some point you just have to accept you're never going to please the nutbars, because they do not think in realistic terms. Only thing to do is ignore them and get on with the job.

Are you in favor of a military attack on Iran to disrupt their nuclear ambitions? I don't really think a person from either the left or the right qualifies as a nutbar just for thinking that a Military attack on Iran would be a bad idea.

45 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:27:17pm

re: #44 Mich-again

Are you in favor of a military attack on Iran to disrupt their nuclear ambitions? I don't really think a person from either the left or the right qualifies as a nutbar just for thinking that a Military attack on Iran would be a bad idea.

I am in favor of attack Iran, if that is the only way to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

But you mentioned people with Ron Paul signs, and Paulians tend to be nutbars.

46 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:28:40pm

Never-ending Lich King Dick Cheney states that Sarah Palin was a mistake for McCain. Freep sallies forth.

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]

Let’s straighten this mess up, so we can understand it. The reason Sarah was a mistake as the VP pick is because she should have been the presidential candidate, and McCain should have retired due to incompetence and excessive sanctimoniousness. ...All of McCain’s little stooges who launched the attacks on Sarah should find jobs in women’s clothing goods, or someplace where queers are comfortable.


114 posted on Sun Jul 29 2012 11:42:42 GMT-0400 (EDT) by pallis

To: dirtboy

No the mistake was Bush picking the homo-marriage supporting, war profiteer Dick Cheney AS HIS RUNNING MATE.
Sarah Palin was the only reason McCain didn’t lose 40 states.

190 posted on Sunday, July 29, 2012 9:41:20 AM by NKP_Vet
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lol

47 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:28:49pm

This quote from Mitt means absolutely nothing. All those words make a big figure 8 and leave you right back where it started.

President Bush urged Hosni Mubarak to move toward a more democratic posture, but President Obama abandoned the freedom agenda and we are seeing today a whirlwind of tumult in the Middle East in part because these nations did not embrace the reforms that could have changed the course of their history, in a more peaceful manner.”

48 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:28:53pm

re: #42 Mich-again

The real arrogance of Romney here is in believing that the various groups all posturing for social dominance in the range of countries from Algeria and Tunisia to Iran and Pakistan are 1) all alike, and 2) that they modify their behavior on the whim of some opinion voiced or unvoiced by a leader, or wanna-be leader, of the US.

49 SpaceJesus  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:30:27pm

Halliburton? More like HOMOBURTON

50 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:32:42pm

re: #48 freetoken

The real arrogance of Romney here is in believing that the various groups all posturing for social dominance in the range of countries from Algeria and Tunisia to Iran and Pakistan are 1) all alike, and 2) that they modify their behavior on the whim of some opinion voiced or unvoiced by a leader, or wanna-be leader, of the US.

He is saying that had Obama chosen his words differently then the political tumult in the Middle East may have taken on a different flavor. Its utterly ridiculous.

51 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:34:58pm

re: #46 SpaceJesus

The blistering front of wingnut hatred has moved from Free Republic to WND, I propose, especially if one is looking for Stormfront type action. E.g., the WND link I put up earlier is up to 276 comments, most of them quite rancid.

52 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:36:53pm

re: #45 Dark_Falcon

I am in favor of attack Iran, if that is the only way to prevent them from acquiring a nuclear weapon.

I think the best way to do that is to terrorize the terrorists.

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:43:27pm

re: #51 freetoken

The blistering front of wingnut hatred has moved from Free Republic to WND, I propose, especially if one is looking for Stormfront type action. E.g., the WND link I put up earlier is up to 276 comments, most of them quite rancid.

That one is a bit too racist, even for Freep. It basically takes a whole bunch of unrelated but ugly incidents then runs them together to portrey them as a war against white people waged by unruly mobs of black people. It's racism is clear and obvious.

54 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:45:06pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

And their answer to "unruly mobs of black people"?

SECOND AMENDMENT!!

55 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:46:01pm

re: #54 freetoken

And their answer to "unruly mobs of black people"?

SECOND AMENDMENT!!

A well-regulated militia??

56 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:53:52pm

re: #46 SpaceJesus

A comment from that thread..

As Sarah repopulates the senate with conservatives, we’ll look back and thank John McCain for that “mistake.”

I for one did not know that Sarah Palin was repopulating the senate with conservatives.. Is there a video??

57 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 9:58:15pm

re: #56 Mich-again

A comment from that thread..

I for one did not know that Sarah Palin was repopulating the senate with conservatives.. Is there a video??

I think she used a double for the videos.

58 Girth  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:06:38pm

re: #56 Mich-again

A comment from that thread..

I for one did not know that Sarah Palin was repopulating the senate with conservatives.. Is there a video??

Yeah, it's the scene near the end of Aliens when Ripley and Newt enter the queen's room and she's laying facehugger eggs.

59 Mich-again  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:14:01pm

re: #46 SpaceJesus

No one said you had to be a math major to be a wingnut.. Another comment from that thread/goldmine.

Did he have anything to say about how the Republican party went from one of its strongest postions ever after the election to 2004, to one of its weakest positions ever after the election of 2008 - after eight years of Bush and Cheney and Rove, etc.?

60 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:24:34pm

Regarding the video: Why does Super Baby Death Cherub have a USB Flash drive for a right hand?

61 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:25:01pm

The sign of the times, which I honestly admit I have not kept up with...

Across the news wire comes an editorial (relayed via the online version of The Oklahoman) titled Obama presidency a litany of bad steps, which The Oklahoman attributed to the "San Diego Union Tribune."

So as I started to read the editorial it just struck me as weird, as something that one might find on Fox or any other Murdoch-ian outlet. Now, I haven't read the SDUT in many years, and for most of my life it was associated with the Copley family who steered their enterprises to be more neutral and, if anything, to have a slightly mainstream progressive editorial slant.

I had heard that SDUT was sold... but didn't realize it was sold again. So at the bottom of the SDUT home page I see that they are now owned by something called "MLIM", so I had to look it up. Here is what I found, courtesy of Wikipedia:

In November 2011, Platinum Equity sold the paper to a company owned by San Diego real estate investor Doug Manchester, known for his support of conservative political causes and his ownership of the San Diego Marriott Hotel and Marina. The purchase price was reportedly in excess of $110 million.[6]

So that explains... a real estate "investor"... yeah, like all Californian "real estate" investors, they love to sell fantasies, the quick turnover.

So that now explains why UTSanDiego (note that Manchester changed the name) now reads like some highly biased yellow journalism rag. Manchester is of the Hedgecock variety of local right-wingers.

Old man Copley himself was accused of some strange stuff, but his wife then later adopted son tried to make the Union and Tribune papers at least respectable.

In this contemporary age of deconstruction, substance doesn't mean much.

62 Mattand  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:26:01pm

re: #58 Girth

Yeah, it's the scene near the end of Aliens when Ripley and Newt enter the queen's room and she's laying facehugger eggs.

I was getting ready to post that as a response. Well played, citizen.

63 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:35:23pm

Nate Silver says things don't look good for Obama:

July 28: Missouri Slipping Away From Democrats

Missouri, the state that was once considered the nation’s ultimate bellwether, looks as though it is likely to be out of reach for President Obama this year, unless there is a significant shift toward him in the final 100 days of the campaign.

[...]

64 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:36:08pm

I'm wondering if 2012 might be like 2000, only bigger.

IOW, that Obama could win the popular vote by millions and millions, yet lose the electoral college.

65 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:38:14pm

Charles Johnson,

Once they put the "skin" on it, I think its kind of cute actually. I don't find it very creepy at all.

66 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:43:46pm

Scientists unlock ocean CO2 secrets key to climate: study

The team of British and Australian scientists found that currents that take carbon from the surface to the depths occur at specific locations, not uniformly across the ocean as previously thought.

They found that a combination of winds, currents and whirlpools create conditions for carbon to be drawn down into the deep ocean to be locked away for decades to centuries. Some of the plunging currents were up to 1,000 km (600 miles) wide.

In other areas, currents return carbon to the atmosphere as part of a natural cycle.

But overall, the Southern Ocean is large net carbon sink, the authors say, calculating the area between 35 and 65 degrees south takes up the equivalent of 1.5 billion tonnes of CO2 a year, or more than the annual greenhouse gas emissions of Japan.

Scientists worry that a warming planet could disrupt this natural pattern by changing wind patterns and ocean currents.

Matear said by figuring how the Southern Ocean worked and using a new monitoring network of robotic ocean-going devices researchers will get a much better handle on how the seas between Australia and Antarctica are changing.

67 Flavia  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:45:44pm

Until the picture (or, rather, the video portion) kicked in, I thought this was going to be about the ending of the "National health Segment" of the British Olympics Opening Ceremonies.

68 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:48:40pm

re: #66 Kragar

I used to write quite a bit here on climate change, and tried to make the point, drawing on the prolific writings on oceanographers and climatologists, that the nature of the Earth being a "water planet" is why changes are so slow... and because they are so slow thus humans choose to ignore them.

Overturning of the layers of the oceans keeps the planet from changing very quickly in response to changes in the atmosphere. That is why it takes centuries to millennia for all the changes in the climate to manifest themselves.

69 freetoken  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 10:57:22pm

Since I am lamenting the fall of responsible media, and the growth of frothy, hate-filled internet dens-of-bile, let be bring up another example - the creation of Eric, son of Erick:

Last week Jonathan Chait dared to throw out in public the idea that racism is playing a part in the Obama hatred, and of course the plethora of "conservative" to right-wing outlets jumped on it, including RedState. For example, here is a current entry over at Redstate:

Jonathan Chait Hears A Dog Whistle

It's just the usual conservatives-as-victims of stereotyping... and the commenters chime right in with the oft heard claims of liberals being the most racists, and that since blacks overwhelming voted for Obama then they are the real racists, etc.

Meanwhile... elsewhere on RedState, here is the title of another entry:

Chick-fil-A values and those of the Muslim and other ‘hoods Democrats abide

And yes, the content is as looney as you would expect - real WND-quality material about communist infiltration, etc. with plenty of racial undertones (not the least of which is the title itself.)

The frothing right wing in this country are now so blinded by their rage that they can't see the idiocy of their own self-contradictions.

70 Kragar  Sun, Jul 29, 2012 11:34:51pm

re: #69 freetoken

I personally love the irony of people who call for boycotts at the drop of a hat (or rainbow oreos) going full jihad because people want to boycott Chick-fil-a.

71 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:13:14am
72 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:17:02am
73 researchok  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:18:21am

Morning, all

74 researchok  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:21:32am

Sinatra makes the even the tired standards, classics.

75 researchok  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:26:20am

re: #72 Kragar

The morning cynic.
//

76 researchok  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:59:00am

re: #61 freetoken

Good catch.

77 ozbloke  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 2:42:55am

Too funny.

anagram
My I'm Rotten = Mitt Romney

78 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 4:27:07am

re: #63 freetoken

Nate Silver says things don't look good for Obama:

July 28: Missouri Slipping Away From Democrats

Missouri isn't really being considered a battleground this time around. It went very narrowly for McCain in 2008, but its moved heavily to the right since then. The game for the Obama campaign is to retain states, not pick them up. They may have a handful of pickup chances, but Missouri is over the mill dam.

79 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 4:51:07am

Morning, again.

I am sick as fuck. We did some major cleaning, including a window that was rather disgusting. I think I had a mold or gunk exposure that has lead to a allergy attack. Off to the doctor today for steroids.

You?

80 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 4:51:24am

re: #60 Mattand

Regarding the video: Why does Super Baby Death Cherub have a USB Flash drive for a right hand?

So it can plug into the network and turn off *all* the trash compacters in order to save everyone, of course.
;)

81 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 4:56:22am

re: #79 ggt

Morning, again.

I am sick as fuck. We did some major cleaning, including a window that was rather disgusting. I think I had a mold or gunk exposure that has lead to a allergy attack. Off to the doctor today for steroids.

You?

I appear to be finally clear of the sinus infection I caught about a month ago. So that's for the good.

And I'm spending a week out of Philly as well. 1/2 day of work, drive to Pittsburgh today. Attend a conference there for two days, and then on vacation for two more days and the weekend. Currently unscheduled time as well, so things are flexible currently towards who and what to see. (Since I used to live there for ~25 years it will primarily be visiting friends and some relatives.)

82 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:11:58am

Wow. Dumbest "Motivational" slogan EVER:

I'm sure all those Chinese sweatshop slaves are totally "inspired" by the Waltons.

83 The Left  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:14:44am
84 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:31:09am

Did you ever have a weekend that you were glad it was over?
My poor son was so sick (doctor thought mono, more like the flu)all last week and over the weekend, culminating in an ambulance ride to the emergency room. Excessive phlegm, complaints of shortness of breath, and a nervous mommy and grammy led to the ride. I think (crosses finger) fever broke yesterday. If he does well today we will still head to Cape Cod tomorrow.
On a side note, On Friday I purchased Skyrim V for my son , which he just goes around killing everyone and wonders why it is so hard.
I, on the other hand, am hooked. D&D dork from way back!

85 The Left  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:34:21am

re: #84 Tommy's cone of shame

Did you ever have a weekend that you were glad it was over?
My poor son was so sick (doctor thought mono, more like the flu)all last week and over the weekend, culminating in an ambulance ride to the emergency room. Excessive phlegm, complaints of shortness of breath, and a nervous mommy and grammy led to the ride. I think (crosses finger) fever broke yesterday. If he does well today we will still head to Cape Cod tomorrow.
On a side note, On Friday I purchased Skyrim V for my son , which he just goes around killing everyone and wonders why it is so hard.
I, on the other hand, am hooked. D&D dork from way back!

Jimmah's been trying to get me into Skyrim. It's fun!

Hope your son feels better soon and you can go to Cape Cod!

86 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:34:28am

re: #84 Tommy's cone of shame

Did you ever have a weekend that you were glad it was over?
My poor son was so sick (doctor thought mono, more like the flu)all last week and over the weekend, culminating in an ambulance ride to the emergency room. Excessive phlegm, complaints of shortness of breath, and a nervous mommy and grammy led to the ride. I think (crosses finger) fever broke yesterday. If he does well today we will still head to Cape Cod tomorrow.
On a side note, On Friday I purchased Skyrim V for my son , which he just goes around killing everyone and wonders why it is so hard.
I, on the other hand, am hooked. D&D dork from way back!

I'm glad all is well . . . .

87 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:36:13am

re: #83 Millicent Islam

Thankyou and ggt for the well wishes. Scalia does not interview well, he provided a lot of material to dissect.

88 Aye Pod  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:37:50am

re: #83 Millicent Islam

Creepier than a robot baby: Antonin Scalia

Scalia Suggests ‘Hand-Held Rocket Launchers’ Are Protected Under Second Amendment

Is there anything in the constitution that justifies restricting the ownership of nuclear weapons to the State as opposed to individuals? I'm betting the answer is "no".

89 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:40:52am

re: #88 Aye Pod

Is there anything in the constitution that justifies restricting the ownership of nuclear weapons to the State as opposed to individuals? I'm betting the answer is "no".

You'd have to check with the gun nuts here, but I think most States have laws restricting such weapons somehow --well, maybe not Texas. . . .

I don't know specifically about the firearm you mentioned, but I would think the cost of ammo would be prohibitive. . . .

90 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:46:09am

re: #88 Aye Pod

Is there anything in the constitution that justifies restricting the ownership of nuclear weapons to the State as opposed to individuals? I'm betting the answer is "no".

Actually, now that I think of it. Technically, firearms are not weapons --legaleze wise. Private Citizens can own firearms, but not weapons. A newclear weapon is not a firearm, so, no a Private Citizen cannot own one.

91 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:48:49am

Sobering statisitics on health care in New York
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

92 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:53:52am

left a message for the doctor's office.

going back to bed until they call.

have a great one all!

93 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 5:57:03am

re: #91 Tommy's cone of shame

As usual, the Post states it in the worst fucking way possible, as though the important part is how much treating these 'minority' patients costs.

94 kirkspencer  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:20:44am

re: #78 Dark_Falcon

Missouri isn't really being considered a battleground this time around. It went very narrowly for McCain in 2008, but its moved heavily to the right since then. The game for the Obama campaign is to retain states, not pick them up. They may have a handful of pickup chances, but Missouri is over the mill dam.

Yep.

Nate's current projection vs the 2008 results has Obama losing Florida and Indiana and so winning by a smaller margin -- but still winning. Of the remaining close states, none alone is enough to change the winner, though any two of the weakest three (Virginia, Iowa, and Ohio) would do it.

At the same time, Romney's current edge in Florida (still using Nate's numbers) is as tight if not tighter than that of Virginia for Obama. While Rick Scott's efforts to change the voting population are active, they were early enough (and are being fought well enough) that the end result may backfire (from the Republican point of view).

Nate's got Obama at ~2:1 odds (~67% chance of victory vs Mitt's ~33%). It's not a guaranteed walk, but it's a very strong probability.

95 darthstar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:34:31am
96 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:41:16am

re: #88 Aye Pod

According to the very controversial Scalia- Yes, the restriction is "bearable" arms. i.e. cannons not covered. And he explicitly endorsed the governments right to regulate/restrict by kind and location.

97 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:46:13am

re: #96 Daniel Ballard

Putting more of what he said in context-He pointed out there is no explicit right to privacy in the constitution, but that simply leaves it to the legislatures to impart that right. It seemed to me he was laying out boundaries of who does what, rather than what can and can not be legislated or ruled.

98 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:49:08am

Some people really enjoy highschool.

Image: jtA2o.jpg

99 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:50:01am

re: #97 Daniel Ballard

There is an obvious implicit right to privacy in the Constitution. We don't need legislation form that right.

100 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:50:30am

This logic-
"Such originalism is a dangerous distortion of 21st-Century reality. There is no conceivable way to apply the Founding Fathers’ understanding of a ”well-regulated militia” armed with slow-to-load, hard-to-aim muskets to today’s weapon technology."

If applied to the 1st Amendment would allow full on censorship or search of telephones, radio, internet. Just cause none of that existed in 1770's.

I think there is a better way of looking at all this. The technology is not the point. Regulation for the common good is, which includes some ordinary self defense capacity with firearms.

101 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:51:48am

re: #99 Obdicut

Given the erosion of that, I would disagree. Implicit often comes up short. You have seen the Pages I put up (usually from Wired) on this?

102 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:52:24am

re: #97 Daniel Ballard

Putting more of what he said in context-He pointed out there is no explicit right to privacy in the constitution, but that simply leaves it to the legislatures to impart that right.

Great. So if some state falls into the clutches of theocratic talibangelicals, they can happily ban birth control?

Scalia Suggests Women Have No Right to Contraception

"What about the right to privacy that the court found in 1965?" Wallace pressed.

"There's no right to privacy in the Constitution -- no generalized right to privacy," Scalia insisted.

"Well, in the Griswold case, the court said there was," Wallace pointed out.

"Yeah, it did," Scalia agreed. "And that was wrong."

Primitive fascist troglodyte can't retire soon enough (though Romney would replace him with someone just as bad or worse)

103 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:52:31am

BRB Commute time...

104 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:55:18am

re: #83 Millicent Islam

Creepier than a robot baby: Antonin Scalia

Scalia Suggests ‘Hand-Held Rocket Launchers’ Are Protected Under Second Amendment

Actually, you already can own rocket launchers. You have to submit the paperwork to the BATF, have your Chief LEO sign off (usually the hardest part) and pay for the tax stamp for a "destructive device" under the National Firearms Act of 1934. The real hassle is that each rocket is licensed separately so you have to have a tax stamp for each time you intend to fire it.

105 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:57:03am

re: #101 Daniel Ballard

Given the erosion of that, I would disagree. Implicit often comes up short. You have seen the Pages I put up (usually from Wired) on this?

I think that a lot of those cases are being badly decided, mainly because technology is so misunderstood by the older generation. There are few judges who really get the internet.

106 darthstar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 6:57:31am

Serves the little fucker right.

The statements made about wanting to kill agents is also a crime, of which Serrapio was originally charged but will not be sentenced for in a plea deal made with authorities. The only weapons found in Serrapio's possession were two pellet guns.

Freedom of speech does not mean one is free from the consequences of their speech. Joaquin Amador Serrapio has learned that lesson the hard way, and will be behind federal prison bars when he celebrates being legally old enough to buy alcohol.

[Link: www.examiner.com...]

107 darthstar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:01:10am

Ah, 7am, you bastard...already time to go run the dogs. See you all later.

108 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:01:19am

Good morning lizards!

The Olympic opening ceremonies were good until I saw the repeat coverage on the 3D channel. No talking during the ceremony by NBC, just raw video. There were a few commercials but when they went back it continued from where it left off. I noticed there were a few parts that NBC failed to show. It was much more enjoyable.

109 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:22:01am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

It was much more enjoyable.

Wouldn't be hard. NBC has fubared every Olympics they've covered.

110 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:27:08am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Mayor Bloomberg continues his nanny state ways - this time proposing to require breast feeding instructions to all mothers each time they seek a bottle rather than breast feeding. It's just nuts - particularly since doctors already counsel patients about the pros and cons to bottle feeding; it's likely to increase health care costs and reduced time treating problems that are more immediate (preventing infections and improving drug instructions to reduce readmissions). It's also likely to increase post-partum depression in women who have already made the choice not to breast feed.

Yet, the NYC issues pale in comparison to a blackout in India that has left more than 300 million without power. The entire US has about 311 million people, so when you think of the disruptions of the 2003 blackout, this was several magnitudes worse.

111 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:36:22am

re: #110 lawhawk

Mayor Bloomberg thinks New York is his very own personal Sim City.

112 jaunte  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:38:02am

re: #110 lawhawk

It's a very bad idea to start annoying every new mother in the city.

113 jaunte  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:42:54am

Smithsonian photo of the day:
[Link: www.smithsonianmag.com...]

114 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:45:44am

Pro-Assad websites claim Syria has killed Saudi intelligence chief, to avenge Damascus bombing

In a new indication of the escalating hostility between the regime of Syria’s President Bashar Assad and Saudi Arabia, pro-Assad Syrian websites claimed that Syria has assassinated Prince Bandar bin Sultan, Saudi Arabia’s flamboyant former ambassador to the United States, who was appointed to head his country’s intelligence services earlier this month.

The reports, which cited unofficial sources and for which there was no confirmation, claimed that Bandar was killed because it was he, with American support, who organized the July 18 bombing in central Damascus that killed several of Assad’s most senior ministers and aides.

One analyst said privately that, whatever the truth of the claim, it underlined the profound hostility between Assad’s regime and the Saudis.

115 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:51:05am

re: #83 Millicent Islam

Creepier than a robot baby: Antonin Scalia

Scalia Suggests ‘Hand-Held Rocket Launchers’ Are Protected Under Second Amendment

This gets into the real meat of the whole "Second Amendment" argument: You have the right to bear arms, but exactly what *kind* of arms? People who support gun control say that it doesn't include assault rifles and the like, people who oppose gun control say that it does. But that brings up an interesting point -- which arms *aren't* you allowed to bear? The amendment does not specify. Everyone draws a line somewhere, even if it goes as absurdly high as saying everything short of a nuclear weapon is okay.

It's a classic showcase of what is wrong with America. The actual discussion being had is "You have a right to bear *some* arms, let's talk about which arms those are", but the discussion is constantly framed (by the likes of the NRA) as "These people want to take away your right to bear arms". The system was built for compromise to be the order of the day, but these days compromise is seen as a weakness.

116 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:51:16am

Oh, Mittens.

“Do you realize what health care spending is as a percentage of the GDP in Israel? eight percent," Romney told donors at a fundraiser at the King David Hotel in Jerusalem, speaking of a health care system that is compulsory for Israelis and funded by the government. "You spend eight percent of GDP on health care. You're a pretty healthy nation. We spend 18% of our GDP on health care. Ten percentage points more. [...] Our gap with Israel is 10 points of GDP. We have to find ways — not just to provide health care to more people, but to find ways to find and manage our health care costs."

The Israelis health-care system is mandated and substantially government-funded and government-controlled.

117 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:53:45am

re: #104 William Barnett-Lewis

There was that part where Scalia said weapons designed to "fright" could be restricted, based on some original ruling about a guy carrying a huge sword of some kind. I think should carried rocket launchers would be out for sure.

118 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 7:54:38am

Islamists in northern Mali stone unwed couple to death

Islamists occupying the northern Mali town of Aguelhok stoned an unmarried couple to death in front of about 200 people on Sunday, two local government officials said.

“I was there. The Islamists took the unmarried couple to the center of Aguelhok. The couple was placed in two holes and the Islamists stoned them to death,” said a local government official on condition of anonymity.

“The woman fainted after the first few blows,” he said, adding that the man had shouted out once and then fallen silent.

A second official confirmed the information, saying the couple had two children, the youngest of which was six months old.

“They were living in the bush, they were brought to town by the Islamists who stoned them to death. People came out to watch, there were witnesses,” he said, also not wishing to be identified.

119 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:01:30am

re: #116 erik_t

Oh, Mittens.

The Israelis health-care system is mandated and substantially government-funded and government-controlled.

Don't worry, they'll be close on the heels to parrot the "people come to us from all over the world to get treated" meme. Leaving out, as usual, the simple fact that, why yes, our healthcare *is* fine if the patient has enough money to pay for the procedure out-of-pocket while traveling internationally specifically to get treated.

120 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:08:46am

re: #119 GunstarGreen

Don't worry, they'll be close on the heels to parrot the "people come to us from all over the world to get treated" meme. Leaving out, as usual, the simple fact that, why yes, our healthcare *is* fine if the patient has enough money to pay for the procedure out-of-pocket while traveling internationally specifically to get treated.

I, for one, don't feel the need to optimize the health care system of the United States to treat people who have traveled from outside the United States.

121 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:12:03am

re: #120 erik_t

I, for one, don't feel the need to optimize the health care system of the United States to treat people who have traveled from outside the United States.

Nor does any person who's interest in healthcare is to maintain and improve the health of the citizenry. Unfortunately, the people pulling the strings of government are interested primarily in the profit that healthcare can generate. See also: 'principled' libertarians like Rand Paul not having a problem with the 'socialized medicine' that directly, financially benefits his clinics.

122 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:19:22am

re: #105 Obdicut

Maybe so but it's not really just the internet. What about GPS devices and the FBI? Or Patriot Act clauses being used against terrorism a mere 15% of the time? Even a 103 year old judge can see that implication.

123 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:28:15am

got to sleep maybe an hour. can't breathe, got the chills. going to the doctor in an hour.

groan

124 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:29:35am

re: #122 Daniel Ballard

The Patriot Act stuff to me is part of the general overflow of powers we've given to law enforcement in our desperate attempt to avoid looking at the real causes of crime-- the drug war, poverty, inequity of opportunity, and culture.

125 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:31:55am

Now this is a terror baby.
/

126 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:35:31am

re: #124 Obdicut

The Patriot Act stuff to me is part of the general overflow of powers we've given to law enforcement in our desperate attempt to avoid looking at the real causes of crime-- the drug war, poverty, inequity of opportunity, and culture.

So, given the absence of a strong reference to privacy in the constitution, the door was left open for the Patriot act provisions that reduced our privacy. This makes a good argument that we need to hew closely to a strong interpretation of the first ten amendments.

Your argument as above might apply to severe gun restrictions like DC had overturned. Getting rid of guns in DC was thought to help reduce crime.

127 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:39:40am

More govt defections from Syria...Assad unavailable for comment.

British Officials: Top Syrian Diplomat Defects

Britain's Foreign Office says Syria's chief diplomat in London has defected, making him the latest in a series of top officials, including military officers, who have quit President Bashar al-Assad's embattled government in recent weeks.

28th Syrian general defects to Turkey

A brigadier general has defected from Syria's army to join the ranks of opposition fighters in Turkey, pushing the number of rebel generals based in Turkey to 28.

The general was accompanied by 11 other officers, a diplomatic source said on Monday.

128 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:41:41am

re: #126 Daniel Ballard

So, given the absence of a strong reference to privacy in the constitution, the door was left open for the Patriot act provisions that reduced our privacy.

Yeah, the founders fucked that up.

This makes a good argument that we need to hew closely to a strong interpretation of the first ten amendments.

It depends what you mean by 'strong'. I think what we need to adhere to is that the Constitution explicitly names some rights, but doesn't deny that there are others, often others implied by those rights.

Your argument as above might apply to severe gun restrictions like DC had overturned. Getting rid of guns in DC was thought to help reduce crime.

Not sure what you mean by my argument applying, but I think anyone who thinks that severe gun restrictions are going to significantly reduce crime on its own is silly. Gang diversion programs that help give kids opportunities beyond what they'd normally get are much more effective, as well as much cheaper.

129 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:44:02am

re: #127 NJDhockeyfan

More govt defections from Syria...Assad unavailable for comment.

British Officials: Top Syrian Diplomat Defects

28th Syrian general defects to Turkey

Nice.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:44:59am

re: #63 freetoken

Nate Silver says things don't look good for Obama:

July 28: Missouri Slipping Away From Democrats

He still gives Obama a 65% chance of winning the popular vote in the general. Would it be nice to keep Missouri? Yes. But nicer to be reelected.

131 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:45:27am

re: #64 freetoken

I'm wondering if 2012 might be like 2000, only bigger.

IOW, that Obama could win the popular vote by millions and millions, yet lose the electoral college.

Silver's got that at less than two percent right now.

132 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:47:05am

Syrian rebels seize military base outside Aleppo

The rebels also gained heavy equipment to supplement the lesser weapons they had been fighting with.

We captured four tanks in good condition, and they are now in the hands of the Free Syrian Army. Two were destroyed," Nasr added.

133 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:52:28am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Both sides were claiming a win in the fight for Aleppo. Assad's goons continue their artillery assaults and airstrikes, but have thus far held off with a widespread ground offensive against strongholds in the besieged city. However, that a rebel force captured an Army base outside the city shows that the regime's forces are facing ever-stronger opposition (capturing and holding not only territory, but taking actual military bases from the Army) is a growing trend. Defections also seem to be on the rise, even as Assad claims he's trying to implement Kofi Annan's Arab League peace plan.

Each time his forces launch another artillery or aircraft assault it undermines his credibility further; his regime is fighting for its life, and the statements are a smokescreen. He's still blaming terrorists and foreign involvement for his troubles - not his ongoing brutal suppression of all opposition to his regime.

134 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:57:18am

re: #132 Killgore Trout

Syrian rebels seize military base outside Aleppo

Good news but there is concern about who is helping the rebels.

As Syrian War Drags On, Jihadists Take Bigger Role

BEIRUT, Lebanon — As the uprising against President Bashar al-Assad’s government grinds on with no resolution in sight, Syrians involved in the armed struggle say it is becoming more radicalized: homegrown Muslim jihadists, as well as small groups of fighters from Al Qaeda, are taking a more prominent role and demanding a say in running the resistance.

Al Qaeda with chemical weapons is a frightening thought.

135 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 8:59:46am

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

That makes little sense since there's no indication that Bandar bin Sultan was killed; it's based on unconfirmed sources, and other news outlets have no indication that there was a bombing or that Bandar was injured, let alone killed. If there was a bombing on the 26th in Saudi Arabia, that would have been news - as would the target if it was Bandar especially since he was appointed spymaster just days earlier.

And Assad's back to blaming Israel for being behind the attacks against Assad's regime - with the Saudis, Turkey, and Qatar falling in line with them.

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:01:32am

off to the doctor . . .

137 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:01:47am

This is kind of an idiotic way to tease interviews:

Does everything need to be framed in it's horse-race political context? How about an excerpt to generate interest instead?

138 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:03:00am

re: #137 simoom

This is kind of an idiotic way to tease interviews:

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Does everything need to be framed in it's horse-race political context? How about an excerpt to generate interest instead?

You've been Blitzed.

139 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:03:28am

re: #137 simoom

Does everything need to be framed in it's horse-race political context? How about an excerpt to generate interest instead?

LOL NOPE WE NEED THE ADVERTISING REVENUE

What, you expect reporting!?

140 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:04:53am

re: #137 simoom

Does everything need to be framed in it's horse-race political context?

Yes. What does Mitt think of the new Ipad? Does Obama like the new flavor of Doritos? Which candidate will bring back the McRib sandwich?

141 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:05:31am

The girl gymnast who danced to "Hava Nagila" advances to the finals and all the news articles are about how disappointed everyone is that Jordan Wieber didn't make it.

Why does everyone hate "Hava Nagila" so much?

(I hate it too)

142 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:06:19am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Yes. What does Mitt think of the new Ipad? Does Obama like the new flavor of Doritos? Which candidate will bring back the McRib sandwich?

Boxers or briefs?

143 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:07:08am

Afternoon Honcos.

144 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:07:12am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Which candidate will bring back the McRib sandwich?

Whichever one it is, I'm voting for the other guy.

145 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:07:13am

re: #140 Killgore Trout

Yes. What does Mitt think of the new Ipad? Does Obama like the new flavor of Doritos? Which candidate will bring back the McRib sandwich?

Where do they stand on the designated hitter rule?

146 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:07:17am

re: #142 NJDhockeyfan

Boxers or briefs?

I wonder which candidate will be brave enough to tackle the pineapple on pizza controversy.

147 Mattand  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:08:27am
148 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:08:38am

re: #145 Kragar

Where do they stand on the designated hitter rule?

And how did Romney feel about it eight years ago...

150 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:09:39am

re: #141 Learned Mother of Zion

How about

151 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:10:09am

re: #149 Varek Raith

Ted Nugent Compares Keynesian Economics To "Jerry Sandusky Managing A Little Boys' Football Team"

erik_t compares Ted Nugent to a ranting fellow on the street who is not well-served by our current mental health system.

Oh wait, one of those comparisons is actually good.

152 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:11:30am
153 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:12:39am

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I wonder which candidate will be brave enough to tackle the pineapple on pizza controversy.

I'm looking forward to the Why did the chicken cross the road answers.

154 blueraven  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:13:27am

Oh boy, Romney is no diplomat

Mitt Romney told Jewish donors Monday that their culture is part of what has allowed them to be more economically successful than the nearby Palestinians, outraging Palestinian leaders who called his comments racist and out of touch.

“As you come here and you see the GDP per capita, for instance, in Israel which is about $21,000 dollars, and compare that with the GDP per capita just across the areas managed by the Palestinian Authority, which is more like $10,000 per capita, you notice such a dramatically stark difference in economic vitality,” the Republican presidential candidate told about 40 wealthy donors...

“And as I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things,” Romney said.”

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

155 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:13:36am

re: #149 Varek Raith

Ted Nugent Compares Keynesian Economics To "Jerry Sandusky Managing A Little Boys' Football Team"

Or like letting you adopt your young girlfriend. Ted, you are one goofy bastard.

156 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:13:44am

re: #146 Killgore Trout

I wonder which candidate will be brave enough to tackle the pineapple on pizza controversy.

"Can't I just eat my waffle pineapple pizza"

157 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:14:03am

re: #143 Cannadian Club Akbar

Afternoon Honcos.

IT'S ALIVE!!!!

158 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:14:34am

re: #154 blueraven

He rarely can just praise someone. It's weird. He almost always has to comparatively praise, to say A is better than B.

159 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:14:37am

re: #157 sattv4u2

IT'S ALIVE!!!

TMI.

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:14:54am

re: #157 sattv4u2

IT'S ALIVE!!!

I should be back more in about 10 days.

161 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:15:37am

re: #154 blueraven

Oh boy, Romney is no diplomat

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

Looks like he's definitely lost the Hamas vote.

162 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:15:43am

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

I should be back more in about 10 days.

NOTE TO SELF

Start self exile in about 10 days!!

164 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:17:22am

Smith, who turned 41 earlier this month, is charged with first-degree murder and burglary in the Aug. 3, 2009, bludgeoning death of Kathleen Briles in her Terra Ceia home

Read more here: [Link: www.bradenton.com...]

This was my friend's mom. I hope this douche gets the needle.

165 Big Joe  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:17:42am
Oh boy, Romney is no diplomat

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

re: #154 blueraven

I was working on that post when I saw you beat me to it. So I'll add...

...That comment drew a sharp reaction from Sa'eb Erekat, chief Palestinian negotiator and a member of the executive committee of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

"This man, before he came here, he should have got some education about Israelis, Palestinians, and the region," Erekat said. "The Romney statements on Jerusalem and the racist statements about the Israeli culture being superior to the Palestinian culture reflect someone who needs to be educated, who needs knowledge. His statements are serving those extremist in the region now, and will serve extremists unfortunately."

This master diplomat will destroy the chance of peace in the mid-east if he is elected President.

166 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:18:42am
167 blueraven  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:18:48am

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like he's definitely lost the Hamas vote.

He is just making things worse.
Why couldn't he just praise Israel for their economic success and leave it at that?
As obdicut said above, you dont always need to tear down something in order to build another up.

168 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:19:27am

re: #154 blueraven

Oh boy, Romney is no diplomat

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

[Link: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Mr. Romney understated the difference between per capita incomes by a wide margin the difference, suggesting that Israelis earn about twice what Palestinians make.

In fact, according to an estimate by the Central Intelligence Agency, in 2009 Israel had a per capita GDP of roughly $29,800, while in 2008 — the last year the C.I.A. has numbers on their website for the Palestinians — the per capita G.D.P. of the West Bank and Gaza was $2,900.

[Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

"And that exists also between other countries that are near or next to each other. Chile and Ecuador; Mexico and the United States. And I noted that part of my interest when I used to be in the world of business as I would travel to different countries was to understand why there was such enormous disparities between the economic success of various countries."

Romney told donors at a $1 million fundraiser as he visited Jerusalem that having seen the accomplishments of the Jewish people, “I recognize power of culture."

You “have hard time suggesting natural resources and land account for it all,” he said.

169 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:20:06am

re: #167 blueraven

As obdicut said above, you dont always need to tear down something in order to build another up.

Not very knowledgeable about the rise of Bain Capital, I see.

/

170 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:21:04am
171 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:21:08am

re: #166 Kragar

Mitt Romney: Diplomacist

Romney Blasted For Statement Suggesting Israeli Cultural Superiority Over Palestinians

Their culture is just the right height.

172 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:21:08am

re: #161 NJDhockeyfan

Looks like he's definitely lost the Hamas vote.

Palestinians != Hamas

173 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:21:53am

re: #150 Obdicut

How about

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Can't see doing a gymnastic routine to that.

174 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:22:06am

re: #172 Varek Raith

Palestinians != Hamas

You're right

Hamas is loaded with Australians and Swiss!!

175 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:22:40am

re: #172 Varek Raith

Palestinians != Hamas

It does for right-wingers. Nuance is not their strong suit.

176 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:23:11am

re: #174 sattv4u2

You're right

Hamas is loaded with Australians and Swiss!!

Comprehension fail.

177 blueraven  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:23:25am

re: #175 GunstarGreen

It does for right-wingers. Nuance is not their strong suit.

Ahem

178 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:23:37am

re: #176 Mocking Jay

Comprehension fail.

Satire fail

179 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:25:42am

Ah well

The day (read, chores) beckons

180 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:26:05am

Mitt to Palestinians: This culture tastes like it came from 7-11.

181 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:26:11am

re: #168 simoom

Actually, hopefully Mexico and Ecuador aren't paying attention, as Romney appears to have assigned both the short end of the "cultural" stick too.

182 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:26:11am

re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar

Stay well

Keep in touch

183 sattv4u2  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:26:48am

re: #180 Mocking Jay

Mitt to Palestinians: This culture tastes like it came from 7-11.

I thought Biden was the 7/11 expert!

184 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:27:00am

Minnesota man charged with burrito assault
[Link: www.duluthnewstribune.com...]
Stop the madness!!!

185 Big Joe  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:27:07am

re: #171 Mocking Jay

Their culture is jut the right height.

“The security of Israel is in the vital national security interest of the United States,” Romney said Sunday in Jerusalem.

Romney is making Israel less secure with reckless comments like those above.

186 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:28:28am

'Dark Money' Hits $172 Million In 2012 Election, Half Of Independent Group Spending

Through July 26, politically involved groups that do not disclose their donors have spent at least $172 million on campaigns that include television, radio and Internet advertising, according to a Huffington Post review of FEC reports, advertising buys, press releases and news stories. Total spending by these groups is likely far greater, since they are required to report only a fraction of their spending to the FEC. Politically involved independent groups that publicly disclose their donors, including super PACs, have spent $174 million so far this election cycle.

"For this cycle, we know almost nothing," said Center for Responsive Politics communications director Viveca Novak, referring to those behind the spending of non-disclosing groups.

Crossroads GPS is the biggest spender, with $85.9 million in spending in announced advertising since the beginning of 2011, according to its press releases.

187 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:31:58am

re: #186 Kragar

'Dark Money' Hits $172 Million In 2012 Election, Half Of Independent Group Spending

The campaign industry runs full steam ahead, I see.

188 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:32:52am

re: #184 Cannadian Club Akbar

Minnesota man charged with burrito assault
[Link: www.duluthnewstribune.com...]
Stop the madness!!!

Man, I wish somebody would throw a burrito at me.

(stomach growls)

189 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:35:53am

re: #188 erik_t

Man, I wish somebody would throw a burrito at me.

(stomach growls)

Pray it's not from Chipotle. Those things are heavy.

190 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:36:11am

re: #185 Big Joe

Romney is making Israel less secure with reckless comments like those above.

Romney has no control over Israel's security. I think Israel is on top of things anyway.

191 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:38:36am

re: #189 Mocking Jay

Pray it's not from Chipotle. Those things are heavy.

I have altered the burrito. Pray I don't alter it any further.

192 Big Joe  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:39:01am

re: #190 NJDhockeyfan

Romney has no control over Israel's security. I think Israel is on top of things anyway.

No he doesn't, but it is not helpful to inflame tensions. That will not lead to anything good.

193 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:41:06am

re: #192 Big Joe

No he doesn't, but it is not helpful to inflame tensions. That will not lead to anything good.

They already want to kill Jews and destroy Israel. How can it get any worse?

194 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:42:04am

re: #191 erik_t

I have altered the burrito. Pray I don't alter it any further.

Hot sauce... you have a bottle of hot sauce! Obi-wan was wise to hide it from me.

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:42:22am

In what appears to be a party trick gone awry, an Australian man suffered severe burns after he put fireworks between his buttocks and set them off
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I fell on it doc, I swear!!!

196 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:42:39am

re: #193 NJDhockeyfan

They already want to kill Jews and destroy Israel. How can it get any worse?

What's the diplomatic value of making overseas pronouncements about the quality of various countries cultures? Why do it?

197 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:45:48am

Alrighty. you guys fight nice. See ya in a week or so.:)

198 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:46:23am

re: #196 simoom

What's the diplomatic value of making overseas pronouncements about the quality of various countries cultures? Why do it?

Because you're a dick?

199 jaunte  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:46:29am

re: #196 simoom

He's just being himself.

200 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:46:54am

re: #196 simoom

It wasn't for diplomatic purposes; it was for domestic consumption. It was all about making sound bites that will play well with the social conservatives and pro-Israeli Christian groups that have been on the fence about Mitt. It was also supposed to help try and splinter Jewish supporters who have traditionally voted for Democrats by being more pro-Israel than Obama.

Even though the statements would complicate his foreign policy objectives if he were to become President, he said what he said with an eye towards retaining voters back in the States.

However, his statements only complicate matters further since Obama hasn't changed positions re: Israel following the footsteps of other recent Presidents.

201 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:47:37am

Harry Reid is fired up today...

Reid: NRC Commissioner Magwood a 'rat' and 'liar'

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid denounced Nuclear Regulatory Commission Commissioner William Magwood as a “first-class rat,” “miserable liar,” “s — t-stirrer” and “tool of the nuclear industry” in a new interview with The Huffington Post — shattering what had seemed to be a Capitol truce on the turmoil that led to the downfall of former NRC Chairman Gregory Jaczko earlier this year.

Reid, a former employer and longtime supporter of Jaczko, also vowed in the interview that Magwood, a Democrat appointed by President Barack Obama, “will never be chairman of anything that takes Senate confirmation.” But that's probably only an academic consideration where the NRC is concerned — the Senate has already confirmed Jaczko's replacement, Allison Macfarlane.

202 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:48:09am

re: #198 Kragar

Because you're a dick?

Hey, I'm the dick around here!

203 lawhawk  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:48:42am

Colorado massacre suspect indicted and faces 142 counts, including 12 2d degree murder.

204 Big Joe  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:49:22am

re: #202 NJDhockeyfan

Hey, I'm the dick around here!

Image: i-have-the-high-ground-you-cannot-w.jpg

205 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:51:44am

Sounds like how the Romney camp is handling press access in Poland has managed to annoy even FNC's Greta Van Susteren:

[Link: gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com...]

Notes from travel with Gov Romney in Poland….
by Greta Van Susteren

There has been no press access to Governor Romney since we landed in Poland. We (press) are in a holding pattern (I can’t help but feel a bit like the press is a modified petting zoo since we are trapped in a bus while Polish citizens take pictures of us.) Under the headline “Governor Romney won’t like this” we saw a big sign in the crowd for Rep Ron Paul.

A consequence of the press limitations seems to be the pool reporters focusing on what they can see, vs on Romney:

[Link: gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com...]

Romney left his first meeting and walked down the street to his second, with former Polish President Lech Walesa. Many people still outside. The street is lined with cafes with outdoor tables and umbrellas. We did NOT get a shot of Romney’s walk over, we were held back until he had left.

++We could not see Romney as we were exiting the old town hall, but we do have a little tape of people shouting “Obama! Obama!”

++Also just some color for ya: a woman in a Minnie Mouse costume and holding a stuffed Minnie Mouse doll waited at the bottom of the steps of the old town hall (the opposite way Romney went).

206 Mocking Jay  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:52:53am

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

“It may feel like just another day at the office but, occasionally, life feels more like an action movie than reality.”

Those are the opening lines of a new video produced by the City of Houston Mayor’s Office of Public Safety and Homeland Security. The 6-minute PSA, titled “RUN. HIDE. FIGHT. Surviving an Active Shooter Event,” features actors staging a workplace shooting, while a narrator offers tips to viewers.

sigh

207 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:53:42am

re: #196 simoom

What's the diplomatic value of making overseas pronouncements about the quality of various countries cultures? Why do it?

He's making a point that isn't without merit...
[Link: www.google.com...]

As he has at home, Romney in Jerusalem cited a book titled, "Guns, Germs and Steel," that suggests the physical characteristics of the land account for the differences in the success of the people that live there.

"And you look at Israel and you say you have a hard time suggesting that all of the natural resources on the land could account for all the accomplishment of the people here," Romney said, before citing another book, "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations," by former Harvard professor David Landes.

This book, Romney said in Jerusalem, concludes that "if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it's this: Culture makes all the difference. Culture makes all the difference."

Guns germs and steel is a fantastic book. Once again we have another situation where the noise machine and tribalist media twists a valid point into a meaningless outrage. You can disagree with Mitt but you should be able to understand him.

208 erik_t  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:55:02am

re: #206 Mocking Jay

[Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

sigh

I've sat through some truly interminable and pointless workplace safety videos, but by god that one would take the cake.

Can we have hurricane drills in Montana next?

209 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:57:50am

re: #207 Killgore Trout

He's making a point that isn't without merit...
[Link: www.google.com...]

Even if he believes it, once again, what is the diplomatic upside to saying it? (ignoring the fact that his figures were an order of magnitude off)

This seems very similar to what happened in the UK where folks were trying to argue the merits of his criticisms, when that really seemed entirely beside the point.

210 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 9:58:07am

re: #207 Killgore Trout

He's making a point that isn't without merit...
[Link: www.google.com...]

Guns germs and steel is a fantastic book. Once again we have another situation where the noise machine and tribalist media twists a valid point into a meaningless outrage. You can disagree with Mitt but you should be able to understand him.

It is a good book. It is also being misused by Romney and yourself. Two bits from Amazon:

In Guns, Germs, and Steel Jared Diamond presents the biologist's answer: geography, demography, and ecological happenstance.

...

Most of this work deals with non-Europeans, but Diamond's thesis sheds light on why Western civilization became hegemonic: "History followed different courses for different peoples because of differences among peoples' environments, not because of biological differences among peoples themselves." Those who domesticated plants and animals early got a head start on developing writing, government, technology, weapons of war, and immunity to deadly germs.

211 jaunte  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:00:07am

Romney is the proverbial bull in a china shop.

212 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:02:29am

re: #211 jaunte

Romney is the proverbial bull in a china shop.

Or the less proverbial bullshit in a cookie shop.

213 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:11:39am

Colosseum in Rome is leaning, officials say

The ancient Colosseum in Rome is slanting about 40cm lower on the south side than on the north, and authorities are investigating whether it needs urgent repairs.

Experts first noticed the incline about a year ago and have been monitoring it for the past few months, Rossella Rea, director at the 2,000-year-old monument, said in the Italian daily Corriere della Sera.

...Prof Giorgio Monti, from La Sapienza's construction technology department, said there might be a crack in the base below the amphitheatre.

"The slab of concrete on which the Colosseum rests, which is like a 13-metre-thick oval doughnut, may have a fracture inside it," he told the newspaper.

214 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:13:11am

re: #210 wrenchwench

It is a good book. It is also being misused by Romney and yourself. Two bits from Amazon:

...

Mitt isn't talking about a biological difference he's talking about a cultural difference. Guns Germs and steel is about how geographical locations allowed certain cultures to develop in different ways but geography isn't the only factor. Suppose you grow up in The Domincan Republic, you'll have a decent life maybe even become a Major League Baseball player. But if you grow up on the other side of the same island in Haiti, you're probably fucked. Geographically they are essentially the same place but prospects for citezens are remarkable different.
If you grow up in Israel you can become a doctor, lawyer, business executive, etc. Your prospects are pretty good. Same with Egypt, you can have a stable and successful life. On the same patch of land in Gaza your prospects are pretty grim and there's a good chance you'll be brought up to believe your highest goal is to blow yourself up. Even if you're brought up right enough of your neighbors will want to blow themselves up. Any chance of building a business is diminished by some dickheads using your property to launch rockets or store weapons. Any chance of investment in business or infrastructure will be lost the next time Israelis get fed up with daily rocket attacks. The culture of violence and terrorism destroys any prospects the Gazans have. They could use the same effort to build resorts and conduct commerce. As a culture, they have decided not to do that.

215 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:16:10am

Yep, steroids. No antibiotics. This doctor prescribes them on a very limited basis. Probably be back in two days for the antibiotics.

216 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:17:33am

re: #207 Killgore Trout

Guns, Germs and Steel explicitly makes the argument that it is not culture, but distribution of natural resources as well as positioning on a longitudinal access. Remember, all the bits about how the civilizations needed pasturable animals, large work animals, etc?

The book's argument is explicitly that culture is born from circumstance.

217 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:18:34am

re: #214 Killgore Trout

Mitt isn't talking about a biological difference he's talking about a cultural difference. Guns Germs and steel is about how geographical locations allowed certain cultures to develop in different ways but geography isn't the only factor. Suppose you grow up in The Domincan Republic, you'll have a decent life maybe even become a Major League Baseball player. But if you grow up on the other side of the same island in Haiti, you're probably fucked. Geographically they are essentially the same place but prospects for citezens are remarkable different.
If you grow up in Israel you can become a doctor, lawyer, business executive, etc. Your prospects are pretty good. Same with Egypt, you can have a stable and successful life. On the same patch of land in Gaza your prospects are pretty grim and there's a good chance you'll be brought up to believe your highest goal is to blow yourself up. Even if you're brought up right enough of your neighbors will want to blow themselves up. Any chance of building a business is diminished by some dickheads using your property to launch rockets or store weapons. Any chance of investment in business or infrastructure will be lost the next time Israelis get fed up with daily rocket attacks. The culture of violence and terrorism destroys any prospects the Gazans have. They could use the same effort to build resorts and conduct commerce. As a culture, they have decided not to do that.

That may relate to the Landes book, but that thinking is not derived from Diamond's book. It's a much grosser, broader look at how different cultures arose on different continents, and doesn't really enter into the territory of modernity.

218 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:34:20am

re: #215 ggt

Yep, steroids. No antibiotics. This doctor prescribes them on a very limited basis. Probably be back in two days for the antibiotics.

I hope you're feeling much better!

219 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:51:27am

re: #165 Big Joe

re: #154 blueraven

I was working on that post when I saw you beat me to it. So I'll add...

This master diplomat will destroy the chance of peace in the mid-east if he is elected President.

There was a chance for peace in the Middle East? And it was riding on Mitt Romney keeping his big mouth shut?

220 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:53:30am

re: #185 Big Joe

Romney is making Israel less secure with reckless comments like those above.

Eh...maybe. I don't think the Palestinians expect much of him. I don't think anyone expects much of him. And he will not be President. So he runs his mouth, Erekat makes a statement...

It's not that Mitt isn't a bloody idiot, it's just that the real things driving the situation aren't Mitt.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:54:28am

re: #200 lawhawk

However, his statements only complicate matters further since Obama hasn't changed positions re: Israel following the footsteps of other recent Presidents.

Well, that's Mitt's problem. He can't realistically promise much to anyone.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:57:53am

re: #207 Killgore Trout

He's making a point that isn't without merit...
[Link: www.google.com...]

Guns germs and steel is a fantastic book. Once again we have another situation where the noise machine and tribalist media twists a valid point into a meaningless outrage. You can disagree with Mitt but you should be able to understand him.

1. Isn't Guns, Germs and Steel the one where he insists that the Norse in Greenland wouldn't eat fish?

2. There are cultural, as well as several other, reasons why the Israelis were able to establish a high-functioning state in short order, under rather adverse conditions. Now, my question: how much of a fucking moron do you have to be to say what Mitt said, where Mitt said it, when Mitt said it?


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