The Conversion of a Climate Change Skeptic

Overwhelming evidence that man is behind climate change
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In the span of just a few years, Berkeley Prof. Richard Muller went from being a climate change skeptic to a believer that humans are responsible for climate change. The reason: overwhelming evidence.

My total turnaround, in such a short time, is the result of careful and objective analysis by the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature project, which I founded with my daughter Elizabeth. Our results show that the average temperature of the earth’s land has risen by two and a half degrees Fahrenheit over the past 250 years, including an increase of one and a half degrees over the most recent 50 years. Moreover, it appears likely that essentially all of this increase results from the human emission of greenhouse gases.

These findings are stronger than those of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, the United Nations group that defines the scientific and diplomatic consensus on global warming. In its 2007 report, the I.P.C.C. concluded only that most of the warming of the prior 50 years could be attributed to humans. It was possible, according to the I.P.C.C. consensus statement, that the warming before 1956 could be because of changes in solar activity, and that even a substantial part of the more recent warming could be natural.

Our Berkeley Earth approach used sophisticated statistical methods developed largely by our lead scientist, Robert Rohde, which allowed us to determine earth land temperature much further back in time. We carefully studied issues raised by skeptics: biases from urban heating (we duplicated our results using rural data alone), from data selection (prior groups selected fewer than 20 percent of the available temperature stations; we used virtually 100 percent), from poor station quality (we separately analyzed good stations and poor ones) and from human intervention and data adjustment (our work is completely automated and hands-off). In our papers we demonstrate that none of these potentially troublesome effects unduly biased our conclusions.

The historic temperature pattern we observed has abrupt dips that match the emissions of known explosive volcanic eruptions; the particulates from such events reflect sunlight, make for beautiful sunsets and cool the earth’s surface for a few years. There are small, rapid variations attributable to El Niño and other ocean currents such as the Gulf Stream; because of such oscillations, the ‘flattening’ of the recent temperature rise that some people claim is not, in our view, statistically significant. What has caused the gradual but systematic rise of two and a half degrees? We tried fitting the shape to simple math functions (exponentials, polynomials), to solar activity and even to rising functions like world population. By far the best match was to the record of atmospheric carbon dioxide, measured from atmospheric samples and air trapped in polar ice.

While specific weather phenomenon (such as Hurricane Katrina) can’t be attributed to global warming and there’s real need to be skeptical about claiming specific instances are attributed to climate change, the carbon dioxide curve can better describe what’s going on in the climate than anything else - observed temperatures and their rise hew closely to carbon dioxide rise in the atmosphere.

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1 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 10:05:05am

Watts from Watts Up With That and his rabble were big fans of Muller's, until the BEST findings came out. Now Muller's a turncoat and a sell out to Big Climate (whatever the hell that is).

Climate change increases the probability that severe weather will occur, so the severity of events like Katrina can be viewed as being influenced by AGW.

2 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:55:13am

What was the story with the Koch Brothers-funded study?

3 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:58:01am

re: #1 b_sharp

Climate change increases the probability that severe weather will occur, so the severity of events like Katrina can be viewed as being influenced by AGW.

NASA’s Hansen: Would recent extreme “events have occurred if atmospheric carbon dioxide had remained at its pre-industrial level of 280 ppm?” The “appropriate answer” is “almost certainly not.”

4 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 11:59:19am

re: #1 b_sharp

Watts from Watts Up With That and his rabble were big fans of Muller's, until the BEST findings came out. Now Muller's a turncoat and a sell out to Big Climate (whatever the hell that is).

Because Muller hates Al Gore.

I contend the Muller is just playing games... with everybody. His "denialism" was more an anti-Gore political position than anything else.

5 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:01:29pm

re: #4 freetoken

Because Muller hates Al Gore.

I contend the Muller is just playing games... with everybody. His "denialism" was more an anti-Gore political position than anything else.

Al Gore really thought he could could remove himself from politics and elevate himself above it in order to promote an anti-AGW policy.

He did not foresee that his very presenence was like a red flag waved at a raging bull of denialism.

7 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:02:06pm

re: #2 Expand Your Ground

What was the story with the Koch Brothers-funded study?

This story isn't really new - it's up front again because of Muller's op-ed. But I've done a couple of articles about it previously:

Deniers' Review Supports Scientific Consensus on Global Warming - Right Wing Sad

Video: Climate Change Study Deals Crushing Blow to Denial Machine

8 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:02:25pm

Shouldn't Muller's name be somewhere on the page?

9 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:05:54pm

On a related note:

India blackout leaves 300 million without power

Grid failure left more than 300 million people without power in New Delhi and much of northern India for hours on Monday in the worst blackout for more than a decade, highlighting chronic infrastructure woes holding back Asia's third-largest economy.

300 million... that's almost the entire US popluation size.

[...]

India suffers a peak hour power deficit of about 10 percent. It has been made worse this year by a weak monsoon, driving demand from farmers pumping more water from wells.

The impacts of climate change in South Asia, over this century, will be quite large. The effects of a changing climate are not evenly distributed around the globe.

10 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:08:15pm

re: #9 freetoken

The poorer nations and the weather-dependent nations will suffer the most. The US will be insulated for awhile from the worst of it.

11 dragonath  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:13:45pm

Lech Walesa supports the Occupy protests then comes around to Romney in less than a year. WTF.

12 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:14:22pm

re: #10 Obdicut

The poorer nations and the weather-dependent nations will suffer the most. The US will be insulated for awhile from the worst of it.

That depends on how frequent and severe the Midwest droughts are. I assumed Canada would weather the AGW better than most but the recent spate of flooding in some areas and drought in others, sometimes right next to the floods, is making me reassess.

13 Interesting Times  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:14:26pm

re: #10 Obdicut

The poorer nations and the weather-dependent nations will suffer the most. The US will be insulated for awhile from the worst of it.

Wealth can only go so far, however. On some local news coverage (Southern Ontario is drought-stricken too), a farmer made a very perceptive remark re certain foods not only becoming pricier, but completely unavailable:

"You can have all the money in the world, but if it's not there, it's not there."

Take note, parasitic short-term profiteers.

14 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:16:05pm

Also not unrelated:

Yes, Bobby Jindal's Louisiana really does support creationism as a school subject, which is what is going to happen. The AP picks up on a story ( which the NCSE summarized last week from local sources):

Voucher schools include some teaching creationism

Taxpayer dollars in Louisiana's new voucher program will be paying to send children to schools that teach creationism and question evolution, challenging the lessons central to public school science classrooms.

Several religious schools that will be educating taxpayer-subsidized students tout their creationist views. Some schools question whether the universe is more than a few thousand years old, openly defying reams of scientific evidence to the contrary.

Critics say it's inappropriate to spend public money on such religious teachings, arguing they undercut a strong science education and threaten the adequate preparation of students for college science courses.

Superintendent of Education John White says annual science tests required of voucher students in the third through 11th grades will determine if children are getting the appropriate science education in the private school classrooms.

Oh yes, that's it, well give "tests" - that's the answer.

15 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:17:25pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

It'll be bad for us; it'll be devastating for them. Absolutely devastating. We are going to see refugees by the hundreds of millions and entire regions depopulated.

16 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:17:49pm

Don't believe for one second that those religious schools teaching YEC won't also be teaching that climate change is a materialist's hoax.

17 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:17:53pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

Wealth can only go so far, however. On some local news coverage (Southern Ontario is drought-stricken too), a farmer made a very perceptive remark re certain foods not only becoming pricier, but completely unavailable:

"You can have all the money in the world, but if it's not there, it's not there."

Take note, parasitic short-term profiteers.

In Sask the last few years have brought too much rain for the central grain belt and far too little rain for the southwest.

I drive by fields of Canola and Flax that are suffering from drought and 20 minutes later I drive by Canola growing like mad.

18 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:19:01pm

re: #15 Obdicut

It'll be bad for us; it'll be devastating for them. Absolutely devastating. We are going to see refugees by the hundreds of millions and entire regions depopulated.

Where are they going to go? How many ships full of refugees can we turn back?

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:19:54pm

re: #13 Interesting Times

Wealth can only go so far, however. On some local news coverage (Southern Ontario is drought-stricken too), a farmer made a very perceptive remark re certain foods not only becoming pricier, but completely unavailable:

"You can have all the money in the world, but if it's not there, it's not there."

Take note, parasitic short-term profiteers.

No cucumbers to be had, not even for ready money.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:21:00pm

Here's what baffles me--the people who say they believe in climate change, but don't think it's man-made.

OK, suppose I accept that. SO WHAT? We still have a giant goddamn problem here.

21 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:22:15pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Here's what baffles me--the people who say they believe in climate change, but don't think it's man-made.

OK, suppose I accept that. SO WHAT? We still have a giant goddamn problem here.

It gives them an excuse to keep driving their gas guzzling jalopies.

22 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:22:32pm

Here's the source article that NCSE references, from last week:

Kopplin: State paying $11.6M to schools teaching creationism

Of the roughly 6,600 slots available for publicly funded private school tuition through the state’s new voucher program, 1,350 will be filled at private Christian schools that teach creationism and peg evolution as “false science.”

According to testimony from Baton Rouge’s Zack Kopplin, who spoke against the voucher program Tuesday at a Board of Elementary and Secondary Education meeting, the 1,350 students signing up for creationism classes will cost taxpayers $11.6 million next school year.

[...]

If Kopplin's research is anywhere near accurate, Louisiana is on the path to spending lots of money to make sure children are indoctrinated into a very backwards worldview.

23 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:22:53pm

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist


Drought Ripples to Food Processors

24 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:23:48pm

re: #22 freetoken

Here's the source article that NCSE references, from last week:

Kopplin: State paying $11.6M to schools teaching creationism

If Kopplin's research is anywhere near accurate, Louisiana is on the path to spending lots of money to make sure children are indoctrinated into a very backwards worldview.

McDonalds and Burger King are always looking for qualified candidates to man the fry stations.

25 AK-47%  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:24:35pm

re: #24 b_sharp

McDonalds and Burger King are always looking for qualified candidates to man the fry stations.

The GOP will always need new presidential candidates, too...

26 freetoken  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:24:40pm

re: #24 b_sharp

McDonalds Chik-Fil-A and Burger King are always looking for qualified candidates to man the fry stations.

FTFY

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:25:28pm

re: #26 freetoken

FTFY

Are you allowed to fry for them if you're on your second wife?

28 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:26:00pm
29 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:26:25pm

re: #18 b_sharp

Where are they going to go? How many ships full of refugees can we turn back?

If we prepare, and quickly, we may be able to whether the number that will actually arrive in the US. I don't see us moving quickly on this until the apocalytpically religious lose their grip on US politics. It may happen; the hot weather we're having may actually convince enough conservatives that it's happening, but it's very iffy.

But the climate refugees in Asia and Africa are going to be an immense tragedy. There's no way to act quickly enough to save them. Or rather, China would have to take the lead on that and China is currently politically crippled, about to hit a bad recession as their housing boom crashes and their population becomes more geriatric, and massively increasing their CO2 output, worsening the problem and making their adaptation more difficult.

30 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:28:45pm

re: #11 Fred Galt

Lech Walesa supports the Occupy protests then comes around to Romney in less than a year. WTF.

He backed out of his support for OWS. Remember, that he is strongly anti-Communist. Although he might agree with some of the OWS agenda against inequality he's not anti-capitalist. OWS was a bit too much for him.

31 Big Steve  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:28:48pm

as Hank Hill said to Dale; "if it gets any hotter in Texas I am going to kick your ass."

32 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:31:00pm

re: #27 SanFranciscoZionist

Are you allowed to fry for them if you're on your second wife?

Depends on what you are doing on her.

33 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:33:12pm

re: #29 Obdicut

If we prepare, and quickly, we may be able to whether the number that will actually arrive in the US. I don't see us moving quickly on this until the apocalytpically religious lose their grip on US politics. It may happen; the hot weather we're having may actually convince enough conservatives that it's happening, but it's very iffy.

But the climate refugees in Asia and Africa are going to be an immense tragedy. There's no way to act quickly enough to save them. Or rather, China would have to take the lead on that and China is currently politically crippled, about to hit a bad recession as their housing boom crashes and their population becomes more geriatric, and massively increasing their CO2 output, worsening the problem and making their adaptation more difficult.

That's a real tragedy here, that we have the means to reduce the affects of AGW but aren't willing to even consider them.

People who had very little to do with creating the problem will be the ones suffering first.

34 dragonath  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:33:40pm

re: #30 Killgore Trout

He backed out of his support for OWS. Remember, that he is strongly anti-Communist. Although he might agree with some of the OWS agenda against inequality he's not anti-capitalist. OWS was a bit too much for him.

If he's looking for someone who is pro-labor and pro-capitalist, there is a better choice than Romney.

35 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:34:49pm

re: #34 Fred Galt

If he's looking for someone who is pro-labor and pro-capitalist, there is a better choice than Romney.

He's not very fond of Obama. Not sure why.

36 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:41:11pm

re: #33 b_sharp

That's a real tragedy here, that we have the means to reduce the affects of AGW but aren't willing to even consider them.

People who had very little to do with creating the problem will be the ones suffering first.

The real people who are to blame are those that push materialism at all costs, and those that deny science. Sustainability was always obviously what we had to do, and we knew we weren't doing it for more than a hundred years. We knew there were finite resources.

And we use so many of those resources to make absolute bullshit that nobody actually needs.

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37 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:43:04pm

re: #36 Obdicut

The real people who are to blame are those that push materialism at all costs, and those that deny science. Sustainability was always obviously what we had to do, and we knew we weren't doing it for more than a hundred years. We knew there were finite resources.

And we use so many of those resources to make absolute bullshit that nobody actually needs.

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38 S'latch  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:47:35pm

The easiest way to become a converted climate change skeptic is to admit that you really don't have the foggiest idea what is going on because you are not a climate scientist and then go with the experts.

39 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:52:04pm

re: #38 Lawrence Schmerel

The easiest way to become a converted climate change skeptic is to admit that you really don't have the foggiest idea what is going on because you are not a climate scientist and then go with the experts.

But in today's America, being an expert on something doesn't mean anything because you're clearly one of them thar ivory tower elites that doesn't know anythang about the real world. And where was yer book on the NYT bestseller list, huh? Think yer so smart with your book-learnin'.

40 aagcobb  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:53:10pm

re: #5 Expand Your Ground

Al Gore really thought he could could remove himself from politics and elevate himself above it in order to promote an anti-AGW policy.

He did not foresee that his very presenence was like a red flag waved at a raging bull of denialism.

Don't blame Al Gore for denialism. Big Energy owns tens of trillions of dollars in carbon based energy reserves; they were going to to use the Right Wing propoganda machine to heavily push denialism no matter what.

41 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:58:30pm

For fuck's sake.

Louisiana Voucher Program Will 'Release the Word of God' and Upset Satan

Just in case you need even more evidence that Louisiana’s voucher program was more about financing religious schools than improving student performance, Mills told David Barton and Rick Green today on WallBuilders Live that the program will increase student exposure to “religious material” and “release the Word of God” to children.

And who is rallying the opposition from the “teachers unions and the government bureaucrats”? Why, Satan of course. “There is no doubt it’s going to have its impact and it’s going to hit its target and it’s going to strike fast, and that’s why the Enemy is kicking back,” Mills said, “He realizes what’s going to happen when all of the sudden these kids come into a knowledge unlike their former secular humanist seminary, they are being rooted and grounded in foundational and fundamental, timeless principles that can change a person’s eternity.”

42 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 12:58:37pm

re: #40 aagcobb

One of the rules of right wing propaganda is to pick a public figure who represents the enemy, and demonize the living hell out of him or her. Al Gore, as a very public face of the climate change movement, is perfect for that role.

When I first really began to cover climate change issues here, every single comment thread turned into a Gore-bashing session, whether he was the topic of an article or not. Usually he wasn't, but his name was guaranteed to come up anyway within the first 10 comments.

43 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:03:31pm

re: #41 Kragar

For fuck's sake.

Louisiana Voucher Program Will 'Release the Word of God' and Upset Satan

What I don't get about vouchers though, I mean from the parent perspective (the religious-political perspective is obvious) is... why is this a big deal? They could have shipped their brats off to Good Faith Academy or wherever the hell at any time, they don't need a voucher for that. Literally all the voucher does is get the state to pay for it.

And aren't we supposed to hate Big Gub'Mint™ handouts and such as dirty soshalisem?

44 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:07:13pm

re: #43 GunstarGreen

What I don't get about vouchers though, I mean from the parent perspective (the religious-political perspective is obvious) is... why is this a big deal? They could have shipped their brats off to Good Faith Academy or wherever the hell at any time, they don't need a voucher for that. Literally all the voucher does is get the state to pay for it.

And aren't we supposed to hate Big Gub'Mint™ handouts and such as dirty soshalisem?

The argument is each child is supposed to get X dollars per year for their education. In most cases, this means the school gets the money for every student enrolled there. The vouchers system means the parents are given that money to pay for a private school of their choosing, which nowadays means one that supports their religious beliefs.

45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:09:03pm

re: #44 Kragar

and allows for an end run around the idea of seperating church and state in schools while at the same time eliminating public education.

46 iossarian  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:10:09pm

re: #43 GunstarGreen

Literally all the voucher does is get the state to pay for it.

And aren't we supposed to hate Big Gub'Mint™ handouts and such as dirty soshalisem?

You underestimate right-wing "small government, states rights" hypocrisy at your peril.

47 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:10:15pm

re: #45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

and allows for an end run around the idea of seperating church and state in schools while at the same time eliminating public education.

Its win-win for the throwbacks.

48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:11:33pm

re: #47 Kragar

Its win-win for the throwbacks.

Yep.

49 Charles Johnson  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:12:09pm

Speaking of dumb propaganda, there's a hilarious post by Joel Pollak at Breitbart.com, desperately trying to spin Mitt Romney's references to "culture" in his Jerusalem fundraiser speech.

HOW AP, NPR LIED ABOUT ROMNEY 'JEWISH DONORS' SPEECH, USING PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA

The "lie:"

NPR’s hourly news, read by Craig Windham, alleged that Romney told Jewish donors at a fundraiser in Jerusalem on Monday that “Jewish culture” allowed Israel to be more successful than its Palestinian neighbors. That blurb was accompanied an hour later by a short story from Sheera Frankel--who had reported earlier that nothing Romney said at the event had been made public, but that “one of the attendees” had told her his remarks had been “light and easy.” She also had reported initially that the fundraiser had been for “supporters...both from Israel and abroad,” as opposed to “Jewish donors.”

In her new story, Frankel reported the remarks as the AP presented them--including the reference to “Jewish donors.” She also repeated the AP’s implied criticism of Romney, using quotes from Palestinian official Saeb Erekat, who called Romney’s comments “racist.” Another report by Frankel later reinforced the AP and Erekat’s false meme.

In the first place, Romney never said the words “Jewish culture.”

Pollak links to several news articles, and not one of them uses the words "Jewish culture," even though he puts it in quotes to suggest they did.

He's right that Romney didn't use those words either, and nobody reported that he did. Here's what Romney actually said, though, referring to Israeli economic superiority over Palestinians:

As I come here and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things...

So yes, he didn't use the words "Jewish culture," but there can be no doubt at all that this is what he meant. "I recognize the power of culture" can refer to nothing else, and when Romney cites the "power of culture" as a prime reason for economic superiority, he is implicitly saying that the economic inferior is also the cultural inferior.

Joel Pollak is a clown, posturing for a right wing base that could not possibly care less about anything they read making logical sense.

50 GunstarGreen  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:13:52pm

re: #44 Kragar

The argument is each child is supposed to get X dollars per year for their education. In most cases, this means the school gets the money for every student enrolled there. The vouchers system means the parents are given that money to pay for a private school of their choosing, which nowadays means one that supports their religious beliefs.

Yeah, I guess the base argument is along the lines of "I pay taxes for school but it's not going to the school I'm actually using", sort of an offbranch of the standard "how dare you use my tax money to pay for things I don't like or that don't benefit me" outrage (abortion/contraception, etc.)

51 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:14:48pm

The voucher law is a goldmine for quacks and grifters of every alleged persuasion. ("Alleged" because I don't believe in the sincerity of these people.)

We could just as easily set up a school devoted to science, reason, and critical thinking. Unfortunately, such a school would necessarily have high standards for teachers and materials, and the voucher money wouldn't cover the cost. Indeed it does not cover the full cost at many of the established private schools in Louisiana now.

52 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:17:16pm

re: #50 GunstarGreen

Yeah, I guess the base argument is along the lines of "I pay taxes for school but it's not going to the school I'm actually using", sort of an offbranch of the standard "how dare you use my tax money to pay for things I don't like or that don't benefit me" outrage (abortion/contraception, etc.)

Billions in taxes go to defense spending every year, but when I want to borrow a tank for a few hours, nothing but stupid federal regulations (and a few MPs).
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53 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:24:48pm

From what I saw of the first half of Wolf Blitzer's Jerusalem Romney interview, he did an excellent job (Wolf Blitzer that is). He gets Romney to make relatively definitive foreign policy pronouncements, then he follows up by suggesting the implications of those pronouncements to Romney, and Romney starts waffling, changes to basically stating the Administration's policy, or deflects with saying he won't make new foreign policy overseas. By the end of what they showed Romney was basically saying he won't prejudge the negotiations on various topics Wolf raises, contradicting much of what he says at the start.

54 blueraven  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:26:34pm

re: #49 Charles Johnson

Speaking of dumb propaganda, there's a hilarious post by Joel Pollak at Breitbart.com, desperately trying to spin Mitt Romney's references to "culture" in his Jerusalem fundraiser speech.

HOW AP, NPR LIED ABOUT ROMNEY 'JEWISH DONORS' SPEECH, USING PALESTINIAN PROPAGANDA

The "lie:"

Pollak links to several news articles, and not one of them uses the words "Jewish culture," even though he puts it in quotes to suggest they did.

He's right that Romney didn't use those words either, and nobody reported that he did. Here's what Romney actually said, though, referring to Israeli economic superiority over Palestinians:

So yes, he didn't use the words "Jewish culture," but there can be no doubt at all that this is what he meant. "I recognize the power of culture" can refer to nothing else, and when Romney cites the "power of culture" as a prime reason for economic superiority, he is implicitly saying that the economic inferior is also the cultural inferior.

Joel Pollak is a clown, posturing for a right wing base that could not possibly care less about anything they read making logical sense.

Don't know how they are going to spin this but Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres told Wolfe Blitzer in a new interview that military and security cooperation under President Obama is as good or better than it has ever been.

55 simoom  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:29:51pm

re: #54 blueraven

Don't know how they are going to spin this but Ehud Barak and Shimon Peres told Wolfe Blitzer in a new interview that military and security cooperation under President Obama is as good or better than it has ever been.

Did you watch it? The TV was on in the other room and I didn't quite hear it perfectly but it sounded like they listed a number of presidents and declared Obama the strongest in supporting Israel. I guess the clip will be up sometime soon.

56 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:30:29pm

Sarah Palin Went to Chick-fil-A Just To Let Everyone Know She Hates Gay People

Palin's visit and subsequent posting of her photos is just a way to say, "Homosexuals, I hate you," without saying, "Homosexuals, I hate you." I'd call it "innovative," except it's the same thing Rick Santorum did when he tweeted about his visit to the chain, the same thing Mike Huckabee did when he called for a Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day. These are gentle jabs of hatred, ways of being completely cowardly about offensiveness. Palin's pictures are perfect relics of the modern bigot: the kind of person who bristles at being called a bigot while spouting bigotry, who expresses her shame alongside the outward expression of shamelessness because she knows, deep down, that subjugation of human life is fucked up.

A chickenshit move in a chicken eatery, this is social cannibalism.

57 blueraven  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:31:36pm

re: #55 simoom

Did you catch it? The TV was on in the other room and I didn't quite hear it perfectly but it sounded like they listed a number of presidents and declared Obama the strongest in supporting Israel. I guess the clip will be up sometime soon.

Just a snippet. I did hear both men make those statements. But caught Wolfe discussing with Gloria whats-her-name.

Going to try to find the whole thing.

58 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:34:20pm

OK, now this is accountability:

Air Force officer creates database of every U.S. bomb dropped since World War I

Lieutenant Colonel Jenns Robertson, 45, has spent the past six years working on one of the most unusual historical projects in modern times: compiling a database of every bomb dropped by U.S. forces dating back to World War I.

"It has proven useful in the real world, in real time," Robertson told the Boston Globe. "You can pick any place you want and look at it in detail."

The project is called THOR: Theater History of Operations Reports and allows people to use their computers to literally point and click to nearly any location on the globe and receive a near-instantaneous assessment of when and where U.S. bombs were dropped over the past century.

Beyond the fascinating historical implications, Robertson's bomb project is being used by the U.S. and other countries to save lives. In places like German, Vietnam and Iraq, the database is being examined to identify locations where there may still be unexploded ordinance.

59 jaunte  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:37:38pm

re: #56 Kragar

"beaming hateful joy"

60 iossarian  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:42:01pm

re: #56 Kragar

Sarah Palin Went to Chick-fil-A Just To Let Everyone Know She Hates Gay People

"I love junk food, but it tastes extra-special good when you know your money's going to support gay-bashing bigotry."

61 Varek Raith  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:43:33pm

re: #56 Kragar

Sarah Palin Went to Chick-fil-A Just To Let Everyone Know She Hates Gay People

*Goes to library to show everyone he hate Sarah*
:P

62 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:43:56pm

re: #60 iossarian

"I love junk food, but it tastes extra-special good when you know your money's going to support gay-bashing bigotry."

"Our grandson says he hates those fags at other restaurants."

63 iossarian  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:45:35pm

re: #62 Kragar

"Our grandson says he hates those fags at other restaurants."

Fucking tragic. A spokesperson for a whole swathe of fearful small-mindedness.

64 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:47:54pm

Rush: London's ceremony 'socialist'

Friday’s Olympic opening ceremony in London was “more socialist” than the Beijing version four years ago, and a tribute to the National Health Service included in the performance was “done on behalf of” President Barack Obama, Rush Limbaugh claimed on Monday.

“Of all the things that you want to honor,” he said on his radio show. “I mean, the people of Great Britain don’t even like the National Health Service! And then it hit me, and then it hit me. It was actually done on behalf of President Kardashian. They did it for Obama. Nobody will convince me otherwise.”

"Nobody will convince me otherwise."

That is because Rush is a dipshit with limited cognitive abilities.

65 dragonfire1981  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:48:07pm

Question: Does simply not liking gay people make one a bigot?

I mean, you can not like door to door salesmen, telemarketers, e-mail spammers and not be bigoted.

What if I don't like people from Wisonsin, does that make me a bigot?

And, on the flip side of that is it possible for a Christian to oppose homosexuality and NOT be bigoted?

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

66 Obdicut  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:51:46pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

As long as the 'not liking' doesn't spill over into 'deny them their civil rights, be less likely to hire them, etc' you're not acting like a bigot.

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

Christianity doesn't mandate bigotry. There are plenty of Christian sects that completely accept homosexuality.

Edited: Catholic changed to Christian.

67 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:52:21pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

Question: Does simply not liking gay people make one a bigot?

I mean, you can not like door to door salesmen, telemarketers, e-mail spammers and not be bigoted.

What if I don't like people from Wisonsin, does that make me a bigot?

And, on the flip side of that is it possible for a Christian to oppose homosexuality and NOT be bigoted?

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

About the time you start contributing time and money to organizations trying to deny them their civil rights.

68 iossarian  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:52:21pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

Question: Does simply not liking gay people make one a bigot?

I mean, you can not like door to door salesmen, telemarketers, e-mail spammers and not be bigoted.

The point is that door-to-door salesmen are actively doing something to annoy you. Gay people just want to live their lives - it's not clear to me how the fact that someone is gay really affects anyone else.

What if I don't like people from Wisonsin, does that make me a bigot?

Same argument really unless Wisconsinites are somehow directly aggravating you with their cheese-producing habits.

And, on the flip side of that is it possible for a Christian to oppose homosexuality and NOT be bigoted?

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

If this question was about inter-racial marriage I don't think this conversation would be happening.

69 Digital Display  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:53:51pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

It's at the point when Christians stop loving people and start hating them.
/ Hey RW nuts..Talk to Jesus if you disagree with that notion

70 Kragar  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 1:55:06pm

People who don't believe in gay marriage should avoid marrying people of the same sex and mind their own business.

71 b_sharp  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 2:11:46pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

Question: Does simply not liking gay people make one a bigot?

Yes. Your dislike is based on irrationality.

I mean, you can not like door to door salesmen, telemarketers, e-mail spammers and not be bigoted.

You dislike gays because of who they are, you dislike salesmen because of what they do. Gays have no choice. Salesmen do.

What if I don't like people from Wisonsin, does that make me a bigot?

Yes. Because of the incredible diversity within a geographic area, the reason you dislike them must be irrational.

And, on the flip side of that is it possible for a Christian to oppose homosexuality and NOT be bigoted?

What is their reasoning?

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

When some Christians make it that way for themselves. Each Christian can be evaluated individually, so a blanket accusation like the one you make here is nothing more than an attempt to poison the well.

72 wrenchwench  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 2:18:07pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

Different sects have different creeds. The ones that say 'everybody who believes something different than what's in our creed is going to hell' might contain some bigotry.

73 jaunte  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 2:20:45pm

Pastor Kevin Swanson Nostalgic for Time when Homosexuals faced Death Penalty

Pastor and radio host Kevin Swanson of Generations with Vision earlier this month expressed nostalgia for the Pilgrims’ approach to homosexuality, when it was punishable by death. On his radio show last week, longed for a time when Christians “brought the death penalty upon homosexuality” and “for about 1,500 years that form of life had pretty much been eliminated except here and there.”

74 Achilles Tang  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 2:34:52pm

Does anyone have a link to that video where Romney made the same speech as Obama about "you didn't do it alone"? I believe there were two I saw.

75 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 3:02:58pm

re: #73 jaunte

Pastor Kevin Swanson Nostalgic for Time when Homosexuals faced Death Penalty

But if you were to long for the days that christians were being killed, then you would be a monster.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 3:47:01pm

re: #65 dragonfire1981

Question: Does simply not liking gay people make one a bigot?

I mean, you can not like door to door salesmen, telemarketers, e-mail spammers and not be bigoted.

What if I don't like people from Wisonsin, does that make me a bigot?

And, on the flip side of that is it possible for a Christian to oppose homosexuality and NOT be bigoted?

At what point do Christianity and bigotry become one and the same?

Do you think that telemarketers and people from Wisconsin should have fewer rights under the law than you do? That's the key issue. Sure, you can be bigoted against Wisconsinites, but it's a weird enough issue that I don't think the folks of that fair state suffer from it any. Gay people, OTOH...

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Jul 30, 2012 3:48:23pm

re: #73 jaunte

Pastor Kevin Swanson Nostalgic for Time when Homosexuals faced Death Penalty

The Pilgrims mostly did NOT punish homosexuality with death, BTW.

78 druid for hire  Tue, Jul 31, 2012 2:16:41am

re: #49 Charles Johnson

don't forget to emphasize the 'few other things' comment. namely billions of u.s. tax dollars.

79 labman57  Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:46:02am

The climate change denial mindset is an outcome of a larger phenomenon that has become a fundamental component of conservative ideology lately -- anti-intellectualism.

Fundamentally, climate change deniers refuse to accept the conclusions of the vast amounts of data gathered over many years by thousands of climatologists representing dozens of academic institutions, government agencies, and private sector interests from many nations -- data suggesting a causal relationship between global warming and manmade activities. Their reasons for denial are purely of a political nature, but since they don't accept the conclusions, they must also deny the veracity of the data for no other reason than it conflicts with their denials.

The fossil fuel industries that are financing the "climate change denial campaign" share the same unethical "profit at all costs" philosophy that has dominated the decision-making process of the tobacco industry as it repeatedly denied any health-related consequences of using their products.

In other words, climate change denial is a conclusion in search of a rationalization.


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