Earlier today Mitt Romney denied he was making any comparison of Israeli and Palestinian culture, and that lasted until 8 PM Eastern tonight, when Romney published an opinion piece at National Review Online that says: Culture Does Matter.
Wouldn’t want the right wing base to get the wrong idea from those politically expedient phony denials.
1 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:20:26pm |
So he flip-flopped on his flip-flop?
This man will go down in history...
| 3 |
Tigger2 Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:24:56pm |
This man is a fool, he should be nowhere near the office he is seeking.
| 4 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:25:10pm |
"Let me talk about their culture, though I swear I never mentioned their culture despite documented evidence to the contrary, but I was totally talking about their culture."
| 5 |
Cheechako Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:25:42pm |
I wonder if Mitt has a twin brother named Flip?
| 6 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:27:26pm |
Mitt Romney like many people believes in the Prosperity Gospel. He believes that if you are wealthy God has blessed you for being awesome and that if you are not wealthy, God is upset with you about something. This belief applies to both countries and people.
| 7 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:28:07pm |
So what's the approved culture? No wait, let me guess...
Heck, I'm pretty sure this is just the tip of the ice berg for a whole bunch of anti-multiculturalism too. Bring on Vdare and American Renaissance into the fold Mitt!
| 8 |
Interesting Times Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:30:22pm |
re: #7 Gus
So what's the approved culture? No wait, let me guess...
Heck, I'm pretty sure this is just the tip of the ice berg for a whole bunch of anti-multiculturalism too. Bring on Vdare and American Renaissance into the fold Mitt!
Ted Cruz won the Texas GOP primary therefore nothing the GOP says or does can ever be racist no matter what
| 9 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:31:11pm |
What's the max refresh rate on an etch-a-sketch?
| 10 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:31:28pm |
1. The Republican candidate told supporters he began noting "enormous disparities" between neighboring countries during his time in the business world and cited a 1998 book, "The Wealth and Poverty of Nations" by David Landes, which studied why some countries did better than others."He says if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it's this: Culture makes all the difference," Romney told supporters. "And as I come here, and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
2. Mitt Romney insisted Tuesday he was not specifically talking about Palestinian culture at a fundraiser in Israel on Monday when he was quoted suggesting culture was the reason for the economic disparity between Israel and Palestine."That's an interesting topic that deserves scholarly analysis, but I actually didn't address that," Romney told Fox News's Carl Cameron, adding he didn't "intend" to talk about the subject in his campaign. "Instead, I will point out… that the choices a society makes have a profound impact on the economy and vitality of that society."
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]3. "During my recent trip to Israel, I had suggested that the choices a society makes about its culture play a role in creating prosperity, and that the significant disparity between Israeli and Palestinian living standards was powerfully influenced by it. In some quarters, that comment became the subject of controversy."
This constant "no I didn't" is getting to Python levels of silly.
| 12 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:32:33pm |
Ah. He wrote this for National Review. Close enough for Vdare and American Renaissance.
| 13 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:37:00pm |
re: #10 jaunte
"He says if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it's this: Culture makes all the difference," Romney told supporters. "And as I come here, and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things."
He's right. Culture makes all the difference, especially when a culture with repeating firearms encounters one whose inventory includes only spears and arrows.
| 14 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:37:42pm |
re: #8 Interesting Times
Another brain dead, mouth breathing right winger.
| 15 |
palomino Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:38:21pm |
Romney: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"
Oh, I don't know, maybe things like natural resources, a large population and military success.
| 16 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:40:09pm |
re: #13 Decatur Deb
Maybe some enterprising reporter can ask him to define culture.
| 17 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:41:08pm |
re: #8 Interesting Times
Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz
| 18 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:41:14pm |
re: #16 jaunte
Maybe some enterprising reporter can ask him to define culture.
Probably has something to do with ballerina horses per acre.
| 19 |
Digital Display Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:42:33pm |
I'll say this about Mitt...Remember everybody here predicted Mitt would be the nominee from day one? And after the clown car drove to what? 8 million debates? We were sure of it.
Can you fricking imagine what this election would be like if Bachmann, Santorium or Newt were the Nominee? What a joke.
| 20 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:44:03pm |
re: #19 Digital Display
Bachmann would at least be more fun than Mitt!
*waves*
| 21 |
Petero1818 Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:44:24pm |
An opinion piece about nothing. All to say that a culture of Freedom invites prosperity. Hard to argue that point, it is a formula that has worked for the US and others. But it is not hard to argue that success and prosperity are not borne out of that freedom. One need only look at China as an example of economic prosperity born not out of freedom but in spite of an absence of it. Moreover, and I say this as a strong supported of Israel and a critic of Palestinian choices over the last 70 years, Palestinians want freedom. We may not like the demands they are making to get it, we may not agree with the means they believe will achieve it. But to suggest they do not aspire to freedom and democracy is to be blind to facts. One may argue that Palestinians are their own worst enemy in terms of the choices they have made. I get that. But Israel is an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom. So to suggest that Israel succeeds because it fought for freedom and democracy and was victorious seems to ignore the fact that Palestinians also fought for similar things, they just lost. And losing is the biggest reason for the difference in culture and the deleterious impacts on the Palestinian's economic malaise.
| 22 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:44:52pm |
re: #15 palomino
Romney: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"
Oh, I don't know, maybe things like natural resources, a large population and military success.
Spain went to the New World and brought back boatloads of gold.
England beat them with a few blueprints for the Industrial Revolution.
Great Britain's population in 1800 is 10.8 million, India's was estimated at 200 million.
(I have nothing to say about military success.)
| 23 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:44:59pm |
re: #19 Digital Display
I'll say this about Mitt...Remember everybody here predicted Mitt would be the nominee from day one? And after the clown car drove to what? 8 million debates? We were sure of it.
Can you fricking imagine what this election would be like if Bachmann, Santorium or Newt were the Nominee? What a joke.
Bachmann claims a cool million in fundraising this month.
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
| 24 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:45:05pm |
re: #9 Decatur Deb
What's the max refresh rate on an etch-a-sketch?
Is that expressed in fps? (flips-flops per second)
| 25 |
Digital Display Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:46:09pm |
re: #20 Dancing along the light of day
Bachmann would at least be more fun than Mitt!
*waves*
LOL.
How ya doing?
| 26 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:47:04pm |
Testing syntax formatting in Spy Mode:
<?php
$c = FALSE;
if (count($argv) == 3) {
if ($argv[1] == '-c') {
$c = TRUE;
}
$filename = $argv[2];
} elseif (count($argv) == 2) {
if ($argv[1] == '-c') {
$c = TRUE;
} else {
$filename = $argv[1];
}
}
?>
| 28 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:55:58pm |
re: #25 Digital Display
Wonderful, and you?
| 29 |
erik_t Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:55:59pm |
I've been moving to my first actual factual house over the last week.
Fact: it literally takes longer for me to move my garage-belongings than it takes Mitt to take a new foreign-policy position that would/will affect millions of people in the slightest case.
| 30 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 7:57:39pm |
RT @arimelber: The stat from @dylanbyers: Qs taken by presidential nominee, from traveling press, on 1st foreign trip: Obama, 25; Romney, 3.— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) August 1, 2012
| 31 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:00:46pm |
re: #29 erik_t
That should give the world a nice secure feeling.
| 32 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:03:21pm |
Music with the energy potential of barely contained high explosives (Beethoven Symphony 7 movement 2). Enjoy.
| 33 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:05:39pm |
BBL, BBQ time. I bought a filet. Fuck yeah!
| 34 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:08:40pm |
re: #22 Mostly sane, most of the time.
England beat them before that, with Elizabeth and Drake, and yes it was their culture that sustained them.
| 35 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:09:11pm |
re: #15 palomino
Romney: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"
Oh, I don't know, maybe things like natural resources, a large population and military success.
Context.
Neighbours, influences, natural events, history, evolution, co-evolution, dominant religion and its state.
| 36 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:09:26pm |
Official In Charge Of Pennsylvania Voter ID Law: ‘I Don’t Know What The Law Says’
Pennsylvania Secretary of the Commonwealth Carol Aichele, testifying Tuesday during a state trial on the state’s controversial voter ID law, said she wasn’t sure about the details of the law, but stood by her unsupported claim that 99 percent of voters had valid identification.
“I don’t know what the law says,” Aichele said under questioning, according to CBS.
Aichele also couldn’t provide any evidence that 99 percent of voters already have a valid form of ID, as the state has claimed. CBS reported that when lawyers cited testimony from a Department of State official calling the number likely inaccurate, Aichele responded “I disagree.”
| 37 |
Decatur Deb Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:13:02pm |
re: #35 b_sharp
Context.
Neighbours, influences, natural events, history, evolution, co-evolution, dominant religion and its state.
And technology (esp military) and dumb luck (like a Channel storm at the right time).
| 38 |
b_sharp Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:13:08pm |
re: #22 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Spain went to the New World and brought back boatloads of gold.
England beat them with a few blueprints for the Industrial Revolution.
Great Britain's population in 1800 is 10.8 million, India's was estimated at 200 million.
(I have nothing to say about military success.)
Culture is fluid and affected by many factors. Economies are affected by culture and many external or uncontrollable factors.
Romney's vision is narrow, simplistic and black and white.
| 39 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:16:27pm |
re: #17 Gus
Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz
Sign. This guy is going to be my next Senator because Texas Republicans like their politicians as mean and stupid as they are.
On the other hand LOL at Perry and Dewhurst begging the same teabaggers they courted to elect them to not elect a teabagger to the Senate.
| 40 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:18:25pm |
re: #17 Gus
Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz
He was chosen by Sarah Palin, so you know he's a fucking idiot.
| 41 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:20:02pm |
re: #40 Kragar
He was chosen by Sarah Palin, so you know he's a fucking idiot.
For the GOP base, the meaner and the dumber the better.
| 42 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:20:16pm |
re: #1 Mocking Jay
So he flip-flopped on his flip-flop?
This man will go down in history...
The Willard Mechanism learned some fancy flippy-floppy gymnastics from the time when he didn't just SAVE but actually SAVED THE HECK OUT OF the Olympics. All the pole vaults were just the right height.
| 44 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:21:13pm |
So... thought I'd see what this new Outlook.com thing is about. Screwed up the capcha a couple of times, I guess. Now all I get is
You've reached the limit for number of attempts. These limits help us protect against spam from automated programs. You can try again later.
Been getting that for an hour. Awesome job, Microsoft. Smashing success. Fuck you and the capcha you rode in on.
| 45 |
Mich-again Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:21:26pm |
The GOP's best chance to win in November was Mitt on Mute because every time he opens his yap, he says something stupid. He might as well pick Sarah Palin for a running mate. At least she would make Mitt look smart.
| 46 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:22:05pm |
re: #38 b_sharp
Romney's vision is narrow, simplistic and black and white.
And that's the good part about it... ///
| 47 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:22:09pm |
re: #42 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire
The Willard Mechanism learned some fancy flippy-floppy gymnastics from the time when he didn't just SAVE but actually SAVED THE HECK OUT OF the Olympics. All the pole vaults were just the right height.
Huh. Upon further inspection it seems to me more like the US taxpayers saved the hell out of the Olympics.
| 48 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:22:20pm |
re: #40 Kragar
He was chosen by Sarah Palin, so you know he's a fucking idiot.
Tax cuts, gay marriage, abortion, and cutting spending. Repeat.
Sign your pledge here please ______ .
| 49 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:22:57pm |
re: #46 William Barnett-Lewis
And that's the good part about it... ///
Is it OK if I proceed to sing like a bee sir?
//
| 51 |
Romantic Heretic Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:24:39pm |
re: #19 Digital Display
I'll say this about Mitt...Remember everybody here predicted Mitt would be the nominee from day one? And after the clown car drove to what? 8 million debates? We were sure of it.
Can you fricking imagine what this election would be like if Bachmann, Santorium or Newt were the Nominee? What a joke.
Excuse me while I go change my underwear.
| 54 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:26:01pm |
re: #15 palomino
Romney: "But what exactly accounts for prosperity if not culture?"
Oh, I don't know, maybe things like natural resources, a large population and military success.
Education, a government with little enough corruption to allow for a middle class to develop, a nation willing and able to jump on the tech boom, functioning heath care...
| 55 |
Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:27:56pm |
My primary concern is: Where does Mitt Romney stand on the Obama conspiracy to take away all of our light bulbs?
| 56 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:28:30pm |
| 57 |
Romantic Heretic Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:29:17pm |
| 58 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:29:55pm |
| 59 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:30:05pm |
My experience has been that we all come from different cultures with varying degrees of appendages. For social interaction I find it best to look for shared values from different cultures.
| 61 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:30:59pm |
re: #50 Gus
So. Let's discuss the proper use of ladders around the home.
The proper use, in this home, is for someone other than EmmmieG to be on it.
Sadly, at camp, there was a zip line. I'm fine with ziplines, amazingly, except for the getting-on-and-off part. The getting on part was to climb to the top of a ladder (you know, the rung that says "don't stand here"), and then TURN AROUND while on that rung. I didn't go on the zipline, even when they started dropping off into the lake.
| 62 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:31:52pm |
Nudie pictures.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
| 63 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:32:23pm |
Sigh. Xubuntu is a nice system on my ancient Dell laptop. Chrome is fast and, as far as pages are concerned, stable. But after about 12 hours I'd best remember to restart it or the memory leaking will push everything into swap and the only way out is a power button scram. The swap hell reminds me of compiling under Minix 1.x on a PC-XT with 640k & a 10mb full height Seagate. At least with journaled file systems the data survives.
But a couple of minutes later and I'm back like nothing else happened and only 30% of the 2 gb committed.
| 64 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:35:02pm |
re: #62 Charles Johnson
Nudie pictures.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
Given the state of most of the world's human beings, I'm all for us keeping our clothes on.
People look better that way.
| 65 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:35:56pm |
Pamela Geller wonders why everybody isn't as crazy as she is, concludes it's a conspiracy of some kind: [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]
| 66 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:36:20pm |
re: #48 Gus
Tax cuts, gay marriage, abortion, and cutting spending. Repeat.
Sign your pledge here please ______ .
In other words he would've been no different then David Dewhurst the guy he bet. There is no real difference between TPers and GOPers.
| 67 |
moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:37:24pm |
re: #55 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire
My primary concern is: Where does Mitt Romney stand on the Obama conspiracy to take away all of our light bulbs?
Rmoney doesn't care about lightbulbs. He has servants to screw them in.
| 68 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:38:12pm |
re: #66 moderatelyradicalliberal
In other words he would've been no different then David Dewhurst the guy he bet. There is no real difference between TPers and GOPers.
Those seem to be their voter base's main issues.
| 70 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:40:03pm |
re: #67 moderatelyradicalliberal
Rmoney doesn't care about lightbulbs. He has servants to screw them in.
Light bulbs? What are light bulbs? Hey! Wanna check out my new jet?
//
| 72 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:41:21pm |
| 73 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:42:08pm |
re: #72 Varek Raith
640k is enough for anyone.
As I blow smoke from the tip of my barrel.
[Flamenco strum.]
| 74 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:42:17pm |
| 76 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:42:43pm |
Too cute to handle...
[Link: cocoperez.com...]
| 78 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:44:04pm |
Gore Vidal's family has announced that he passed away today, July 31, 2012, in Los Angeles. He was 86. bit.ly/R6cZgw— Gore Vidal Now (@GoreVidalNow) August 1, 2012
| 79 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:44:08pm |
| 81 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:45:48pm |
| 82 |
Mocking Jay Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:46:03pm |
re: #78 Gus
[Embedded content]
Oy. Wingnut's are going to celebrate like it was May 2nd 2011 all over again...
| 83 |
Digital Display Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:47:55pm |
I'm pretty much over watching 16 year old gymnasts cry in the Olympics.
We really need Tom Hanks to be the Coach
Are you crying?
No! Are you Crying?
There is no crying in Gymnastics!
Then he could pass out from being drunk on the bench and the girls could drag him back to the locker room as he mumbles, 'She was crying..'
Now that would be must see TV from London.
| 84 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:49:03pm |
re: #82 Mocking Jay
Oy. Wingnut's are going to celebrate like it was May 2nd 2011 all over again...
I'm glad we had Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley to experience.
| 85 |
sagehen Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:50:00pm |
re: #62 Charles Johnson
Nudie pictures.
[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]
The indoor ones, okay, I could see volunteering to participate. Or the mid-summer outdoors in mid-level latitudes, not a problem.
But there's not enough money in the world to get me naked on a glacier. I've heard what happens to people who lick an iced-over lightpost, I don't even want to imagine to people who sit on ice cubes that size...
| 86 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:51:22pm |
| 87 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:51:27pm |
re: #78 Gus
[Embedded content]
He was an excellent writer and overall a decent man. He could be an ass at times, as William F. Buckley could attest, but he did try to do what was right as he understood it. RIP
| 88 |
Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:52:33pm |
re: #34 Ojoe
How did Elizabeth and Drake get to North America before the Spanish?
| 89 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:52:55pm |
re: #86 Varek Raith
Palin: Calling For Chick-Fil-A Boycott "Has A Chilling Effect On Our First Amendment Rights"
Derpdeder.
The AFA calling for boycotts of JC Penny, Target, General Mills and dozens of other companies, that is just peachy keen though.
Palin can go fuck herself.
| 90 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:54:13pm |
re: #88 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate
How did Elizabeth and Drake get to North America before the Spanish?
I blame the Vatican.
| 91 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:56:02pm |
re: #89 Kragar
The AFA calling for boycotts of JC Penny, Target, General Mills and dozens of other companies, that is just peachy keen though.
Palin can go fuck herself.
Don't wish for her to get fucker at all. With our luck her husband will insist on doing the fucking and we'll end with another Palin.
///
| 92 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:56:37pm |
re: #91 Dark_Falcon
Don't wish for her to get fucker at all. With our luck her husband will insist on doing the fucking and we'll end with another Palin.
///
Whut
| 93 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:56:54pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
He was an excellent writer and overall a decent man. He could be an ass at times, as William F. Buckley could attest, but he did try to do what was right as he understood it. RIP
I know of Buckley and he too can be an ass sometimes. Could. And then the violin and piano solo came on. Vidal was also a fiction writer. And from my experience? We are all asses.
| 95 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:58:14pm |
re: #88 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate
How did Elizabeth and Drake get to North America before the Spanish?
This was a reply to my post about cultures. He's referring to the Spanish Armada, and the defeat thereof.
| 96 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 31, 2012 8:59:34pm |
Read Romney's new statement.
What a fucking copout. Wealth Creators are Special Snowflakes: Global Freedom Edition.
Every civilization with a monetized economy, ever, has had some people who've achieved wealth. Emphasis on some people. It's not an index of freedom. For the few to gain wealth has never, ever been about freedom, and quite often has been about the opposite: slaves, serfs, colonies.... There's a lot of wealthy people in the world who live in countries where you're poor, you're super rich, or you're in the servicer class that looks after the super rich.
What has made a few nations in the modern world stand out is fostering a middle class: allowing it to grow because of a governmental system and ideological underpinnings that keep all the power from being cornered by a tiny number of folks with all the influence and the purchasing power. Everything from basic civil liberties to guaranteed education to infrastructure development give the not-rich remainder opportunities that would otherwise be unobtainable.
The Founding Fathers neither revolted against England nor formed this nation's intellectual core in opposition to the abstract construct of "government." They specifically opposed a governmental system in which the soft power of class and affiliation were interwoven with hard power.
Romney keeps on talking up policy wherein the government is supposed to let some people and institutions be "more free"--of taxes, of regulations--so that they can provide jobs and opportunities for the rest of us. It's fucking feudalism by another name, corporate noblesse oblige as policy. For him to try and float this as the end result of a drive for freedom just makes me ill.
| 97 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:00:38pm |
re: #94 Artist
I guess some speech is more free than others.
Conservatives Don't Like Boycotts
Gainor: This is a line in the sand for everybody listening, for every American right now: what country do we want to have, do we want to have people just say ‘well I don’t like what you believe so we’re going to destroy your business’?Parshall: Exactly. Dan let me pick up on that point because I think it’s a great one. Paradoxically, in the midst of this brouhaha with Chick-fil-A comes the announcement that Amazon.com CEO and his wife give $2.5 million to Washington state for the same-sex marriage battle going on there. I tell you what, I get an awful lot of press releases all day long and I’m still waiting, I have yet to hear a Christian group that’s saying we’re going to boycott Amazon.com because their founder and CEO has decided to make a multimillion dollar contribution to battle against something that I happen to hold dear and believe in. So this tactic, unfortunately, seems to be one sided, one the one hand I guess I can understand it, and on the other hand, it’s just not the way Christians behave in the marketplace.
Gainor: Conservatives generally are against boycotts. We’ll boycott occasionally for something that’s really extreme. But we accept that people have different values and different opinions, that’s called democracy, we tend to like that and like our Constitution and like our freedom of speech.
Parshall: I couldn’t agree more.
Huh, that’s odd since the National Organization for Marriage is boycotting Starbucks and General Mills, and the American Family Association and the Catholic League are boycotting countless companies. In fact, the AFA’s One Million Moms has said “so long Amazon.”
| 98 |
funky chicken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:02:10pm |
re: #10 jaunte
"He says if you could learn anything from the economic history of the world it's this: Culture makes all the difference," Romney told supporters. "And as I come here, and I look out over this city and consider the accomplishments of the people of this nation, I recognize the power of at least culture and a few other things."
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]
How about empowerment of women, Mitt?
| 99 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:04:49pm |
re: #98 funky chicken
How about empowerment of women, Mitt?
Make knights and queens and then wait for your penance.
You work hard enough and the knight might hire you as his bodyguard.
Hey. Check out the dead over there.
//
| 100 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:05:24pm |
re: #90 Kragar
I blame the Vatican.
It's a New World after all,
Get there if you have to crawl.
We won't share with Portugal,
'Cause it's Spain's New World.
| 101 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:06:12pm |
re: #91 Dark_Falcon
Don't wish for her to get fucker at all. With our luck her husband will insist on doing the fucking and we'll end with another Palin.
///
Unlikely at this time in her life. However, I would be waiting raptly to see what she would name the new Palin.
| 102 |
Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:07:48pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
Unlikely at this time in her life. However, I would be waiting raptly to see what she would name the new Palin.
Fluke? Blogg? Zanzibar BuckBuck McFate?
| 103 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:08:52pm |
| 105 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:09:08pm |
re: #95 Mostly sane, most of the time.
This was a reply to my post about cultures. He's referring to the Spanish Armada, and the defeat thereof.
Everything is about culture, or about the things that create culture. Unfortunately, there is no one standard or cultural 'thing' that makes one culture more successful in others in any situation that may arise.
The Aztecs' approach to warfare gave them a huge empire. How were they to know it was not going to help with the Spanish? How were they to know the Spanish even existed?
| 106 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:09:17pm |
| 107 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:09:47pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
Unlikely at this time in her life. However, I would be waiting raptly to see what she would name the new Palin.
| 108 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:09:49pm |
re: #106 Varek Raith
Or toss off your pisser?
| 109 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:10:41pm |
| 110 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:10:56pm |
| 111 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:11:07pm |
re: #106 Varek Raith
Piss off ya tosser.
This too. But then I've a bottle of beer & a bottle of Rye in front of me and Dire Straits on the headphones.
| 113 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:11:56pm |
Reading raptly about the badminton teams throwing their games on purpose.
Answer: Single elimination.
| 115 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:13:09pm |
re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.
LOL! We used to call it "goodmitton"!
| 116 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:13:12pm |
re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Reading raptly about the badminton teams throwing their games on purpose.
Answer: Single elimination.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Odd.
| 117 |
Gus Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:13:42pm |
re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Reading raptly about the badminton teams throwing their games on purpose.
Answer: Single elimination.
New rule.
No more throwing of games.
Play.
| 118 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:13:56pm |
re: #96 The Ghost of a Flea
Read Romney's new statement.
What a fucking copout. Wealth Creators are Special Snowflakes: Global Freedom Edition.
From Charles Dickens, on the Wealth Creators of his own day:
The wonder was, it was there at all. It had been ruined so often,
that it was amazing how it had borne so many shocks. Surely there
never was such fragile china-ware as that of which the millers of
Coketown were made. Handle them never so lightly, and they fell to
pieces with such ease that you might suspect them of having been
flawed before. They were ruined, when they were required to send
labouring children to school; they were ruined when inspectors were
appointed to look into their works; they were ruined, when such
inspectors considered it doubtful whether they were quite justified
in chopping people up with their machinery; they were utterly
undone, when it was hinted that perhaps they need not always make
quite so much smoke. Besides Mr. Bounderby's gold spoon which was
generally received in Coketown, another prevalent fiction was very
popular there. It took the form of a threat. Whenever a
Coketowner felt he was ill-used - that is to say, whenever he was
not left entirely alone, and it was proposed to hold him
accountable for the consequences of any of his acts - he was sure
to come out with the awful menace, that he would 'sooner pitch his
property into the Atlantic.' This had terrified the Home Secretary
within an inch of his life, on several occasions.
However, the Coketowners were so patriotic after all, that they
never had pitched their property into the Atlantic yet, but, on the
contrary, had been kind enough to take mighty good care of it. So
there it was, in the haze yonder; and it increased and multiplied.
| 119 |
jaunte Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:15:29pm |
| 120 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:15:36pm |
re: #116 Varek Raith
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]
Odd.
Ouch. This Olympics will be tarnished if it Turns out to have that kind of Black Sox conspiracy.
| 121 |
Mich-again Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:15:55pm |
My next meal at Chick Fil A will be my first, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. There are too many other places to eat to ever need to drop in at Wingnut Central.
| 122 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:16:09pm |
re: #102 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Fluke? Blogg? Zanzibar BuckBuck McFate?
She did say in one interview that she's always wanted to name a baby Zamboni. I believe she was joking, but it's an idea.
| 123 |
palomino Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:16:29pm |
re: #22 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Spain went to the New World and brought back boatloads of gold.
England beat them with a few blueprints for the Industrial Revolution.
Great Britain's population in 1800 is 10.8 million, India's was estimated at 200 million.
(I have nothing to say about military success.)
Culture plays a role no doubt. But over the years many nations have built themselves into successful economic and military powers, and they didn't all have exactly the same cultural values.
As for India, they were subdued by British military might, so their huge population didn't help much at the time. Not that the yoke of colonialism has been lifted, they've advanced quite impressively given where they came from a short time back.
| 124 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:16:56pm |
| 125 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:17:05pm |
re: #119 jaunte
Chinese organized crime?
Possible, but unlikely. The Olympics are far more public than the triads tend to find comfortable. They wouldn't want to attract that sort of attention.
| 126 |
Dancing along the light of day Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:17:17pm |
re: #124 Varek Raith
Badminton Quads?
| 127 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:17:22pm |
re: #121 Mich-again
My next meal at Chick Fil A will be my first, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. There are too many other places to eat to ever need to drop in at Wingnut Central.
I actually kind of like their food, but I won't give my money to those assholes anymore.
| 128 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:18:21pm |
Pregnant lady in the Olympics.
Go get 'em.
| 129 |
Varek Raith Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:18:46pm |
| 130 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:19:10pm |
I don't want to mar the next thread, but whats the over/under for which wingnut site will post an inappropriate Vidal column first?
| 131 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:19:20pm |
| 132 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:20:29pm |
re: #131 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Shooting.
Distance, speed or accuracy?
They've got competitions for everything nowadays.
| 133 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:21:21pm |
re: #126 Dancing along the light of day
And it turns out Floral had a pair of celebrity visitors recently.
| 134 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:21:28pm |
re: #132 Kragar
Distance, speed or accuracy?
They've got competitions for everything nowadays.
I didn't check that. She didn't medal, but she did compete.
| 135 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:22:06pm |
re: #129 Varek Raith
What event?
A Malaysian shooter. Qualified before she knew she was pregnant & is the first woman competing from her country. 8 months pregnant. I hope she medals :)
| 136 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:22:48pm |
re: #135 William Barnett-Lewis
A Malaysian shooter. Qualified before she knew she was pregnant & is the first woman competing from her country. 8 months pregnant. I hope she medals :)
Oh, I thought she was giving birth right now.
| 137 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:22:58pm |
re: #134 Mostly sane, most of the time.
I didn't check that. She didn't medal, but she did compete.
Ah, pity. Still, getting there is more than I'll ever do.
| 138 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:23:34pm |
re: #136 Kragar
Oh, I thought she was giving birth right now.
That would be...interesting.
Make for good ratings.
| 139 |
palomino Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:26:19pm |
I think boycotting Chick-fil-A is a great idea. I plan to do so myself. When in the mood for a fried chicken sandwich, I'll have to settle for KFC or maybe something from a real restaurant.
But banning the chain from the whole city of Boston seems a bridge too far. Having said that, the Chick-fil-A CEO is a hypocrite as well as an extreme religious hater. There's a new store in Hollywood, which is the gayest part of L.A. except for neighboring West Hollywood. So the company has no problem taking gay money for its products, just a problem with the existence of rights for those people.
| 140 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:26:55pm |
Another test:
<?php
$c = FALSE;
if (count($argv) == 3) {
if ($argv[1] == '-c') {
$c = TRUE;
}
$filename = $argv[2];
} elseif (count($argv) == 2) {
if ($argv[1] == '-c') {
$c = TRUE;
} else {
$filename = $argv[1];
}
}
?>
| 141 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:29:36pm |
re: #88 Prideful, Arrogant Marriage Equality Advocate
How did Elizabeth and Drake get to North America before the Spanish?
Drake sailed here in the Golden Hind, and claimed California for Elizabeth Tudor and England. There is a town in Northern California, on the coast, called Albion, and near Point Arena there are some very white cliffs too. Drake named the coast of California "New Albion."
I'm good with that.
Good night.
| 142 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:31:00pm |
re: #141 Ojoe
Drake sailed here in the Golden Hind, and claimed California for Elizabeth Tudor and England. There is a town in Northern California, on the coast, called Albion, and near Point Arena there are some very white cliffs too. Drake named the coast of California "New Albion."
I'm good with that.
Good night.
Nope, nope, I'm pretty sure that the Doctor had something to do with it.
It's always the Doctor, you see.
| 143 |
William Barnett-Lewis Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:31:26pm |
re: #130 Kragar
I don't want to mar the next thread, but whats the over/under for which wingnut site will post an inappropriate Vidal column first?
Don't know but I can't wait to see what the NRO does... :EEK:
| 144 |
Ojoe Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:32:05pm |
re: #123 palomino
Culture plays a role no doubt. But over the years many nations have built themselves into successful economic and military powers, and they didn't all have exactly the same cultural values.
As for India, they were subdued by British military might, so their huge population didn't help much at the time. Not that the yoke of colonialism has been lifted, they've advanced quite impressively given where they came from a short time back.
England arrived in an India divided into the chaos of warring petty rulers, unified the country and gave it an incorruptible civil service.
France had Indochina.
'nuff said.
Goodnight really.
| 145 |
labman57 Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:33:03pm |
Forgive him, America. Mitt knows not of what he speaks.
Romney's problem is that he's 0 for 5: the guy lacks style, substance, diplomatic savvy, common man sensibilities, and ethical standards.
| 146 |
Kragar Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:36:47pm |
re: #143 William Barnett-Lewis
Don't know but I can't wait to see what the NRO does... :EEK:
I'm thinking Breitbart
| 147 |
funky chicken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:39:35pm |
re: #97 Kragar
Huh, that’s odd since the National Organization for Marriage is boycotting Starbucks and General Mills, and the American Family Association and the Catholic League are boycotting countless companies. In fact, the AFA’s One Million Moms has said “so long Amazon.”
No Cheerios for bigots, or am I thinking of the wrong General Mills? I hate to tell them that the Starbucks locations here in central Oklahoma are still doing huge business, so I'm not quite sure how successful their boycott is. I am about to give away my husband's Orson Scott Card books. I always thought they were stupid anyway :).
| 148 |
palomino Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:40:34pm |
re: #144 Ojoe
England arrived in an India divided into the chaos of warring petty rulers, unified the country and gave it an incorruptible civil service.
France had Indochina.
'nuff said.
Goodnight really.
Your post is a huge oversimplification. What follows below is a somewhat smaller oversimplification.
So English imperialism was benevolent and well intentioned? You might want to double check that with, uh, actual history. You could start with our own history here in the US to see some of the downside of the alleged greatness of British imperialism. Then you could move on to the British-Chinese Opium Wars of the 1800's. Of course there's also South Africa. And you can continue into the 20th century when the British Empire project finally fizzled out, as it should have.
When you look at the number of dead Indians due to British meddling, it becomes a little more difficult to give them the thumbs up on their genetic desire to colonize as much of the world as possible.
| 149 |
palomino Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:43:39pm |
re: #144 Ojoe
England arrived in an India divided into the chaos of warring petty rulers, unified the country and gave it an incorruptible civil service.
France had Indochina.
'nuff said.
Goodnight really.
We had Indochina, too, and it didn't work out so well. So where does that place the US on your hopelessly reductive "England Good - France Bad" spectrum of imperialist success?
| 150 |
freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:44:18pm |
Reading that article of Romney's, the first thing that struck me was the arrogance on display. Both his own, and that of his intended voter to whom he's reaching out:
In the case of the United States, it is a particular kind of culture that has made us the greatest economic power in the history of the earth.
That is pure hubris.
I was watching a Lewis Black video last night, and in one of his routines Black touches of this all too common American pride, of being "the best" - in the world, but in Mitt's case, in all of history - and how strange it seems to anyone who has lived elsewhere.
The ultimate testimony about Mitt Romney is that he embodies the most arrogant qualities of the Americans (that's us.) Some of it may be an act to attract the guns-n-god crowd, but some of it seems quite like a natural part of his personality.
| 151 |
Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:50:59pm |
The thought occurs to me that Olympic Beach Volleyball is as close as we will get to the ancient Olympic tradition of competing in the nude.
| 152 |
freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:51:29pm |
BTW, that pronoun "it" in the quoted sentence I previous posted, has the antecedent "prosperity".
And it is clear that prosperity here means wealth, as accounted for by money, given his use of "economic power" in the elaboration.
Now, I'm no expert on God/gods, but I'm pretty sure that pride and the worship of money fall under "idolatry", but they are the self-proclaimed experts on all things heavenly so I guess they know best, no?
| 153 |
dragonath Tue, Jul 31, 2012 9:55:17pm |
The incredible thing about India was how the East India Company bled the county dry until the country was put under the British Raj. At one time the Indian subcontinent was one of the richest places in the world.
| 154 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 31, 2012 10:04:08pm |
re: #144 Ojoe
England arrived in an India divided into the chaos of warring petty rulers, unified the country and gave it an incorruptible civil service.
Horseshit.
Pious horseshit. The English have been trying to dine out on this "ours was the least oppressive system of globalized oppression" crap for decades.
The East India Company dealt arms to regional rulers, encouraged new conflicts that stymied the expansion of French and Spanish alliances within the subcontinent, and then back-stabbed their new allies. They specifically cultivated Hindu-Muslim and Muslim-Sikh conflicts to weaken all sides.
The Raj was punctuated by vicious economic policy that created captive labor force and a captive consumption audience...both of which could be beaten and suppressed with martial laws should they have issues about labor rights or consumer protections. Commercial textile demands often meant local famines, which the British officials then just chalked up to the incompetence of the local farmers. Beatings like the kind you see during the era of Gandhi's satyagraha movement were the norm for the entire Raj.
The Indian civil service owes infinitely more to ethical Indian men who tried to make the best of a bad situation--who felt that trying to assimilate the positive assets of British rule would aid their nation as a whole--than to overseas Anglos. And for their effort, those Indian men were mocked as "babus" and described as mimicking monkeys.
To say nothing of the enveloping cloud of racism, condescension, and murky justifications of how white people were always right. Or the sexual exploitation of native women (and subsequent scorn and derision of the result Anglo-Indians). Or Jallianwala Bagh. Or the fake outrage of the "Black Hole of Calcutta" which was used as justification to go sickhouse on the entire subcontinent.
| 155 |
freetoken Tue, Jul 31, 2012 10:11:57pm |
re: #144 Ojoe
'nuff said.
No, it's not.
You've started off with a presumption that is rather telling. Namely, that there even should have been a single country called "India" as it came to be known under the British.
Modern humans first arrived in south Asia probably more than 50,000 years ago, and millennia after millennia different groups moved around. With the advent of agriculture several different civilizations arose, and over the centuries following many differentiated. Different religions, different people-groups migrating in and out, from the NW end of the Himalayas which we today call Afghanistan, all the way east to what was called Burma, down south all the way to Ceylon - it was a region of many peoples.
It is arrogant to believe that the British concept of what "India" ought to be is the eternal truth or ideal for that part of the world.
| 156 |
dragonath Tue, Jul 31, 2012 10:22:31pm |
Here's a wiki article on a very cool person, Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, a contemporary of Ghandi.
The British didn't really treat Muslim India much better.
| 157 |
The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Jul 31, 2012 11:51:12pm |
re: #156 Fred Galt
Here's a wiki article on a very cool person, Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, a contemporary of Ghandi.
The British didn't really treat Muslim India much better.
The British have done an excellent job of shutting up about the heinous shit they've done.
They were the great innovators of controlled narratives as part of an atrocity campaign: always be the aggrieved party, always sell the primitive brutality of the enemy, and never talk about what the troops actually do on the ground.
| 158 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 6:15:34am |
re: #21 Petero1818
You were doing so well and then lost me at "But Israel is an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom."
I do not think that is true in any way shape or form. Unless you ascribe to the conspiracies and blood libels. In fact Israel started by immediately recognizing the Arab population as an official ethnic and religious minority. The Jewish leadership made detailed plans for the establishment of an Arabic-language press, the improvement of health in the Arab sector, the incorporation of Arab officials in the government, and the integration of Arabs within the police and the ministry of education.
All in all, the opposite of "impediment to Palestinian freedom."
In 1947, David Ben-Gurion, who would soon become prime minister, told his Labor Party, “In our state there will be non-Jews as well -- and all of them will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is: the state will be their state as well.”
Again, the opposite of "impediment to Palestinian freedom."
Israel is not the oppressor of Arab/Muslim Palestinians.
| 159 |
Petero1818 Wed, Aug 1, 2012 9:48:30am |
re: #158 Buck
You were doing so well and then lost me at "But Israel is an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom."
I do not think that is true in any way shape or form. Unless you ascribe to the conspiracies and blood libels. In fact Israel started by immediately recognizing the Arab population as an official ethnic and religious minority. The Jewish leadership made detailed plans for the establishment of an Arabic-language press, the improvement of health in the Arab sector, the incorporation of Arab officials in the government, and the integration of Arabs within the police and the ministry of education.
All in all, the opposite of "impediment to Palestinian freedom."
In 1947, David Ben-Gurion, who would soon become prime minister, told his Labor Party, “In our state there will be non-Jews as well -- and all of them will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is: the state will be their state as well.”
Again, the opposite of "impediment to Palestinian freedom."
Israel is not the oppressor of Arab/Muslim Palestinians.
Buck, I have had this debate with many people many times, and again I do it as both a Jew, and a strong supporter of Israel both in words and deeds. But anyone who thinks that the current Israeli government is willing to do anything to achieve peace is lying, either to themselves or to others. Historically, there have been many administrations that have done much to that end. There are many Knesset members past and present who have done much to try to achieve peace. But to suggest that Israel is not an impediment to Palestinian freedom is absurd. My suggestion is that they share an equal responsibility in that regard. I maintain that position. Jewish immigration is an impediment. Partition was an impediment. Setllements are an impediment. Fostering the origins of Hamas was an impediment. Bibi is an impediment. None of this takes away from the responsibility that Palestinians also have for their situtation. But I am not one who blindly ascribes to the theory that this is a conflict where only one side bares any responsibility.
| 160 |
Robert O. Wed, Aug 1, 2012 10:02:50am |
Germany's GDP is nearly three times that of Poland. Germany's culture is superior to that of Poland....now wouldn't it have been fun if Mitt Romney said that in Warsaw?
| 161 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:08:12pm |
re: #159 Petero1818
Jewish immigration is an impediment.
Really? Jewish immigration is an "impediment to Palestinian freedom"? I seriously do not see how.
Partition was an impediment.
The 1948 partition, which the Jews agreed to, but the Arabs answered with war is a way that Israel is an "impediment to Palestinian freedom"?
Again, that makes no sense to me what so ever.
Setllements are an impediment.
In the past Israel have uprooted Jews from land they traded for peace. there is no reason to think that would not happen again IF they had anyone to negotiate with.
Are you aware that the land that the settlements are being built on is land that was transferred legally to the Jews from the Ottoman Empire in 1920?
Are you aware that the majority of that land (transferred legally to the Jews from the Ottoman Empire in 1920) was already illegally taken away and given to the Arabs? That huge section of land, stolen from the Jews, became Jordan.
Are you aware that the remaining territories, including Judea, Samaria and Gaza are in fact Legal Title transferred and was ratified by the Allied Powers at the San Remo conference (1922) and adopted by the US through the Anglo-American Convention (1924) and became a binding international commitment to the Jewish people, passed by the League of Nations and accepted by the United Nations?
I do not see how offering to give land they don't deserve legally (and have nothing to trade for) is an "impediment to Palestinian freedom".
"Fostering the origins of Hamas was an impediment."
Ahh at last the conspiracies and blood libels I mentioned in my #158.
Bibi is an impediment.
And there you go. After 90 years of giving up land for peace and watching the seemingly unending murder of Jews, some one stands up and says enough. The Arab Palestinians had 90 years to make some kind of compromise (and stick to it), failed to do so at every turn.
YET STILL there is a serious offer for peace from Israel, and if only there were an Arab Palestinian who could/would accept it the Arab Palestinians might finally know freedom.
Israel is NOT in any way "an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom." Not even close.
| 162 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:21:27pm |
Arab Palestinians who want the freedom you want to pretend they lack are not impeded by Israel. They find that freedom in Israel. Read the following, recently written by an East Jerusalem resident who can't help but tell the truth about the freedoms in Israel.
As an East Jerusalem resident, I am struck by a recent trend: many of my friends and acquaintances who hold Jerusalem identification cards -- documents of permanent residency rather than Israeli citizenship -- are quietly applying for and obtaining Israeli passports.
It's not immediately clear why. Current (Arab) residents of East Jerusalem -- numbering over 350,000, or 38% of the city's total population -- already go about their daily lives, shop at Israeli malls, use Israeli services, frequent Israeli restaurants and bars, send their children to study at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and receive Israeli social and health benefits. What does "upgrading their status" from East Jerusalem residents to citizens of Israel add? Why did East Jerusalem residents refuse the Israeli offer of citizenship in 1967, and why are they actively seeking to obtain it now, especially given that citizenship requires them to pledge the controversial oath of allegiance to the Israeli state?
[Link: 972mag.com...]
Israel is NOT in any way "an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom." Not even close. If you are looking for freedoms it is time to stop blaming Israel for the region’s problems.
“Israel’s not what’s wrong with the Middle East. Israel is what’s right about the Middle East,”
| 163 |
garhighway Wed, Aug 1, 2012 2:18:20pm |
re: #162 Buck
This from The Economist (discussing Romney's misadventure):
To make matters worse, Mr Romney got his numbers wrong. Per capita income in Israel is over $31,000; in the Palestinian territories it is closer to $1,500. Those aren't the kinds of numbers that divide industrious Protestants from happy-go-lucky Catholics. They're the kind of numbers that divide South Korea from Ghana. You don't get those kinds of divisions because of cultural differences.
The reason most Palestinians have low third-world income levels is that they are born into impoverished towns or refugee camps inside the gerrymandered Bantustans of the Palestinian Authority, where border crossings are controlled by Israeli military authorities, water sources are tapped to feed Jewish settlements, Israeli-built infrastructure bypasses them, the education system is funded by paltry international contributions and paltrier taxes, agricultural land is periodically taken by Jewish settlers whose illegal seizures are retroactively approved by the government, land values are undermined because of the overhanging threat of expropriation by Israel, and on and on through all the savage indignities and economic violence of a 50-year-long occupation by people whose ultimate goal is to force you off as much of the territory as possible. Obviously, gross corruption by Palestinian officials and counterproductive political and economic attitudes on the part of Palestinian citizens, mainly typical adaptive behaviours that any people tend to develop when they're confined to massive donor-supported detention zones, have made the situation much worse. Palestine was not going to be a wealthy nation under any circumstances. But without the occupation they might have been as wealthy as, say, Jordanians, who have a per capita income (purchasing-power-adjusted) of $6,000.
| 164 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 4:28:00pm |
re: #163 garhighway
This from The Economist (discussing Romney's misadventure):
To make matters worse, Mr Romney got his numbers wrong. Per capita income in Israel is over $31,000; in the Palestinian territories it is closer to $1,500. Those aren't the kinds of numbers that divide industrious Protestants from happy-go-lucky Catholics. They're the kind of numbers that divide South Korea from Ghana. You don't get those kinds of divisions because of cultural differences.The reason most Palestinians have low third-world income levels is that they are born into impoverished towns or refugee camps inside the gerrymandered Bantustans of the Palestinian Authority, where border crossings are controlled by Israeli military authorities, water sources are tapped to feed Jewish settlements, Israeli-built infrastructure bypasses them, the education system is funded by paltry international contributions and paltrier taxes, agricultural land is periodically taken by Jewish settlers whose illegal seizures are retroactively approved by the government, land values are undermined because of the overhanging threat of expropriation by Israel, and on and on through all the savage indignities and economic violence of a 50-year-long occupation by people whose ultimate goal is to force you off as much of the territory as possible.
Oh good now we get to hear from the "Israel is Apartheid" group.
Of course everything in your link is an obvious lie.
In my #162 I post from an anti Israel, pro Arab Palestinian website and author.
Current (Arab) residents of East Jerusalem -- numbering over 350,000, or 38% of the city's total population -- already go about their daily lives, shop at Israeli malls, use Israeli services, frequent Israeli restaurants and bars, send their children to study at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, and receive Israeli social and health benefits.
Can you see the difference? Do you understand why they are different?
We are talking about Israel being "an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom." Where Israel can help Arab Palestinians get freedom, it does
In Gaza, where Israel withdrew completely the lack of freedom is not due to Israel.
| 165 |
garhighway Wed, Aug 1, 2012 5:28:20pm |
re: #164 Buck
Take it up with that liberal rag, The Economist.
I'm sure they'll be happy to print your letter to the editor.
| 166 |
Petero1818 Wed, Aug 1, 2012 6:21:48pm |
re: #161 Buck
Really? Jewish immigration is an "impediment to Palestinian freedom"? I seriously do not see how.
If you cannot see how mass immigration that reverses the demographic majorities of a region impedes the freedom of those that end up in the minority, I cannot help you.
The 1948 partition, which the Jews agreed to, but the Arabs answered with war is a way that Israel is an "impediment to Palestinian freedom"?
Again, that makes no sense to me what so ever.
And Again, if it doesn't I cant help you. I do dispute that ISrael accepted partition and Palestinians did not. It does not change the fact that Partition which created the state of Israel impeded arab freedom in the region, if you only assume it did so within Israel that is fine.
In the past Israel have uprooted Jews from land they traded for peace. there is no reason to think that would not happen again IF they had anyone to negotiate with.
Are you aware that the land that the settlements are being built on is land that was transferred legally to the Jews from the Ottoman Empire in 1920?
YES
Are you aware that the majority of that land (transferred legally to the Jews from the Ottoman Empire in 1920) was already illegally taken away and given to the Arabs? That huge section of land, stolen from the Jews, became Jordan.YES
Are you aware that the remaining territories, including Judea, Samaria and Gaza are in fact Legal Title transferred and was ratified by the Allied Powers at the San Remo conference (1922) and adopted by the US through the Anglo-American Convention (1924) and became a binding international commitment to the Jewish people, passed by the League of Nations and accepted by the United Nations?YES
I do not see how offering to give land they don't deserve legally (and have nothing to trade for) is an "impediment to Palestinian freedom".Interesting you say don't deserve....and why don't the people who inhabited those lands deserve to remain there, and to do so in a state that is not "Jewish".
Ahh at last the conspiracies and blood libels I mentioned in my #158.
And there you go. After 90 years of giving up land for peace and watching the seemingly unending murder of Jews, some one stands up and says enough. The Arab Palestinians had 90 years to make some kind of compromise (and stick to it), failed to do so at every turn.
Yes Bibi the Moshiach....I know I know...
Conspiracies and blood libels? Really? Are you on acid? I challenge you to find one statement i made that in any legitimate way could be characterized as such.YET STILL there is a serious offer for peace from Israel, and if only there were an Arab Palestinian who could/would accept it the Arab Palestinians might finally know freedom.
Very serious. I know.
Israel is NOT in any way "an equal impediment to Palestinian freedom." Not even close.
| 167 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 6:26:56pm |
re: #165 garhighway
Take it up with that liberal rag, The Economist.
I'm sure they'll be happy to print your letter to the editor.
Right, you think anti semitism is a right left thing.
I would laugh but obviously this is not funny.
Do you agree with the article and think that the Arab Palestinians are living in apartheid conditions? You do know that is what " gerrymandered Bantustans" refers to.
Do you agree with the article and think that the Arab Palestinians are living in apartheid conditions?
| 168 |
Petero1818 Wed, Aug 1, 2012 6:28:23pm |
By the way, when I said, "I do dispute that ISrael accepted partition and Palestinians did not." I meant to write "do not dispute"
| 169 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 6:57:08pm |
re: #166 Petero1818
Conspiracies and blood libels? Really? Are you on acid? I challenge you to find one statement i made that in any legitimate way could be characterized as such.
OK you said that Israel fostered "the origins of Hamas". You say that they fostered the murderers of arabs, muslims and Jews.
Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.
That is like saying the US government fostered the origins of al Qeada. I mean there are people who believe it, but it is nonsense. In the case of Hamas is it dangerous nonsense. Blaming Jews for creating bloodthirsty killers. A lot of history will show you how dangerous.
If you cannot see how mass immigration that reverses the demographic majorities of a region impedes the freedom of those that end up in the minority, I cannot help you.
You are ignorant of the FACT that Arabs constituted 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel.
If you don't count the Arab population that later became Jordan and you have the majority/minority reversed.
The Arab Palestinians are the descendants of Arabs who immigrated in pursuit of jobs and economic opportunity. They are not the indigenous, people. The descendants of Jewish immigrants who fled discrimination, violence, and genocide BROUGHT FREEDOM, never impeded it.
why don't the people who inhabited those lands deserve to remain there, and to do so in a state that is not "Jewish".
The people who chose to stay, did stay.
In 1947, David Ben-Gurion, who would soon become prime minister, told his Labor Party, “In our state there will be non-Jews as well -- and all of them will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is: the state will be their state as well.”
Why do you have a problem with a state that is Jewish? Why does that matter? We are taking about freedom. Do you think that calling the state Jewish means less freedom for the Palestinian Arabs? I think it means more.
Unique to Israel and in contrast to the most advanced democracies -- the Jewish state gives the languages and religions of its various minorities official status. Thus, Arabic is an official language alongside Hebrew, and Muslim and Christian holidays are considered official holidays.
The Arab Palestinian citizens of Israel have more freedom that any Arab in any of the Muslim countries.
Interesting you say don't deserve....
In 1947 they were already given land that was, by every international law, returned to the Jews. A huge majority of the that land was at the last minute transferred to them. They already got the lions share. They didn't deserve that, but they got it any way.
In 1920 they were given EVEN a larger share.
But you say you know this.
| 170 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 7:53:41pm |
re: #166 Petero1818
If you cannot see how mass immigration that reverses the demographic majorities of a region impedes the freedom of those that end up in the minority, I cannot help you.
Maybe you should try just a little to help me.
You are saying that Jewish immigration to the land returned to them in 1920 impeded freedom for the Arab Palestinians. I cannot see how. No other Arab in the region has any freedom (unless we define freedom differently) even 90 years later. There are a million Arabs who are citizens of Israel. They have the same freedoms as any other citizen of Israel.
There have been Jews on that land continuously for more than three thousand years. Despite that knowledge you say that Jewish immigration is an impediment to Palestinian freedom.
I say that the freedom the Arab Palestinian has COMES from the Jews.
| 171 |
Petero1818 Wed, Aug 1, 2012 8:14:01pm |
re: #169 Buck
OK you said that Israel fostered "the origins of Hamas". You say that they fostered the murderers of arabs, muslims and Jews.
Israel had nothing to do with the creation of Hamas. The organization grew out of the ideology and practice of the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood movement that arose in Egypt in the 1920s.
Buck, unfortunately it is your ignorance on display here. Israel's support for Hamas in its earliest years in the occupied territories is well known. It is not a blood libel and it is well documented. Israel sought a counter balance to the PLO and openly supported Sheikh Yassin in his opposition to the PLO. Israel did not create Hamas nor did I say they did. They fostered their strength in the territories as a deliberate attempt to undermine Arafat. This is fact.
That is like saying the US government fostered the origins of al Qeada. I mean there are people who believe it, but it is nonsense. In the case of Hamas is it dangerous nonsense. Blaming Jews for creating bloodthirsty killers. A lot of history will show you how dangerous.You are ignorant of the FACT that Arabs constituted 37 percent of the total immigration to pre-state Israel.
I am ignorant of none of it. I wrote my Honours thesis on the Arab Israeli conflict 22 years ago and studied. I am well aware of the Arab immigrants to the area. I am well aware that Jerusalem has been a city with a Jewish majority since the mid 1890s, but most of the region was not prior to 1930 majority Jewish.
If you don't count the Arab population that later became Jordan and you have the majority/minority reversed.
Well lets just not count it then. Like it or not, Jordan was created in the same way Israel was. Not for the same reason, and without any historic claim to the land. And I understand that this was land originally promised to the Jews. But "not counting" it is absurd. It is a nation state. As is Israel.
The Arab Palestinians are the descendants of Arabs who immigrated in pursuit of jobs and economic opportunity. They are not the indigenous, people. The descendants of Jewish immigrants who fled discrimination, violence, and genocide BROUGHT FREEDOM, never impeded it.You just keep telling yourself that
The people who chose to stay, did stay.
In 1947, David Ben-Gurion, who would soon become prime minister, told his Labor Party, “In our state there will be non-Jews as well -- and all of them will be equal citizens; equal in everything without any exception; that is: the state will be their state as well.”Why do you have a problem with a state that is Jewish? Why does that matter? We are taking about freedom. Do you think that calling the state Jewish means less freedom for the Palestinian Arabs? I think it means more.
Unique to Israel and in contrast to the most advanced democracies -- the Jewish state gives the languages and religions of its various minorities official status. Thus, Arabic is an official language alongside Hebrew, and Muslim and Christian holidays are considered official holidays.The Arab Palestinian citizens of Israel have more freedom that any Arab in any of the Muslim countries.
It is not I who have a problem with the state being "Jewish", although I may, particularly when the state allows that to be interpreted by a minority who contribute nothing productive to the state, but rather it is the Palestinians who have the problem. What is freedom if not the right to self determination???
In 1947 they were already given land that was, by every international law, returned to the Jews. A huge majority of the that land was at the last minute transferred to them. They already got the lions share. They didn't deserve that, but they got it any way.
In 1920 they were given EVEN a larger share.
But you say you know this.
Your attempt to be condescending would be insulting if it weren't so misinformed.
| 172 |
Petero1818 Wed, Aug 1, 2012 8:35:54pm |
re: #170 Buck
Maybe you should try just a little to help me.
Happy to help.
You are saying that Jewish immigration to the land returned to them in 1920 impeded freedom for the Arab Palestinians. I cannot see how. No other Arab in the region has any freedom (unless we define freedom differently) even 90 years later. There are a million Arabs who are citizens of Israel. They have the same freedoms as any other citizen of Israel.
There have been Jews on that land continuously for more than three thousand years. Despite that knowledge you say that Jewish immigration is an impediment to Palestinian freedom.
The right to self determination is at the heart of freedom. The fact that Arab Israelis enjoy greater rights than any other arabs in the region is not lost on me.It does not however make them free, and most certainly it does not make those in the territories free.
I say that the freedom the Arab Palestinian has COMES from the Jews.
Well that is just great. I am sure that all those freedom loving Palestinians will feel much better about their situation now that there are Jews in the Diaspora that have declared them FREE, and that take credit for that FREEDOM.
| 173 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 8:50:39pm |
re: #171 Petero1818
Buck, unfortunately it is your ignorance on display here. Israel's support for Hamas in its earliest years in the occupied territories is well known. It is not a blood libel and it is well documented. Israel sought a counter balance to the PLO and openly supported Sheikh Yassin in his opposition to the PLO. Israel did not create Hamas nor did I say they did. They fostered their strength in the territories as a deliberate attempt to undermine Arafat. This is fact.
No, it is not fact at all. Please point to any real evidence, real documentation that Israel actively helped Hamas.
No. It is the classic blame the Jews. Hamas didn't need Israel's help, and would never accept it anyway.
It is a fantasy, and a sick one at that. I can find people who think that Saddam was really a CIA plant. Or that Osama was personally trained and paid by the CIA.
They think it, and it makes sense to them, but it is NOT true.
Everything about Hamas shows that it's history is based on the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood.
I am ignorant of none of it. I wrote my Honours thesis on the Arab Israeli conflict 22 years ago and studied.
Well, you are not the first thesis to get it wrong.
Well lets just not count it then. Like it or not, Jordan was created in the same way Israel was. Not for the same reason, and without any historic claim to the land. And I understand that this was land originally promised to the Jews. But "not counting" it is absurd. It is a nation state. As is Israel.
In the same way but also very different. Is that how you wrote your thesis? Jordan was NOT AT ALL created in the same way Israel was. Syria and Lebanon were created in the same way Israel was. And interestingly no one thinks that they stole the land.
I was talking about counting the population. If you are counting the number of Muslim Arabs in the Palestinian Mandate (as in the 1922 and 31 census) in order to know how many were in the land of Israel as it is now, you have to subtract the number that was in Trans Jordan. It was considered part of the Mandate. However those Arabs cannot be counted when trying to determine the number of Arabs in Israel pre 1920.
| 174 |
Buck Wed, Aug 1, 2012 9:04:53pm |
re: #172 Petero1818
Well that is just great. I am sure that all those freedom loving Palestinians will feel much better about their situation now that there are Jews in the Diaspora that have declared them FREE, and that take credit for that FREEDOM.
I see, so now Snark replaces an actual argument? What is your counter point?
Yes the freedom loving ones do. They want to live in Israel and are quietly applying for and obtaining Israeli passports. The freedom loving ones.
The ones who do NOT want freedom (The Arab Palestinian leadership) do not feel better. It would be much harder to steal millions in Aid if they have to operate in a democracy.
You use the expression "self determination" as if you think that they don't have that. As if someone is forcing some kind of self determination on them.
Maybe you can explain what you mean. Do you think that Palestinian Arabs are not allowed to practice their religion if the country is Jewish? Are they forced to convert? Are they told that they are no longer Arab or Muslim?
| 175 |
Petero1818 Wed, Aug 1, 2012 9:32:31pm |
re: #173 Buck
No, it is not fact at all. Please point to any real evidence, real documentation that Israel actively helped Hamas.
No. It is the classic blame the Jews. Hamas didn't need Israel's help, and would never accept it anyway.
It is a fantasy, and a sick one at that. I can find people who think that Saddam was really a CIA plant. Or that Osama was personally trained and paid by the CIA.
They think it, and it makes sense to them, but it is NOT true.
Everything about Hamas shows that it's history is based on the Islamic fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood.
I strongly suggest you research the subject. It was a classic blowback situation, not unlike the US support for Bin Laden in Afghanistan as you earlier suggested. Israel did not create a group of terrorists. Israel funded religious based community groups in Gaza that opposed Arafat and the PLO on the basis of their secularism and corruption. Of course Israel did not invent them. But Israel did fund them in Gaza. These groups headed by Yassin emerged as Hamas (which as you may not know) started essentially as islamic charitable organizations that turned militant. Many scholars have written on the subject. CIA sources, wall street journal articles, all sorts of stuff. It is not all that surprising, and is a practice in place in many conflicts all over the world. The enemy of thy enemy is your friend.
Well, you are not the first thesis to get it wrong.
Yes I know. The only truth is that Bibi is the Moshiach and the birth of the modern state of Israel was at the expense of no one and really a blessing for the Palestinians. they just haven't come around yet and are victims of the lame stream medial.
In the same way but also very different. Is that how you wrote your thesis? Jordan was NOT AT ALL created in the same way Israel was. Syria and Lebanon were created in the same way Israel was. And interestingly no one thinks that they stole the land.
Jordan was part of the British Mandate and was given to the Hashimites when the British carved up the territory. This was certainly at the expense of the Jews, but both nation states were born out out of the carving up of the Mandate.
I was talking about counting the population. If you are counting the number of Muslim Arabs in the Palestinian Mandate (as in the 1922 and 31 census) in order to know how many were in the land of Israel as it is now, you have to subtract the number that was in Trans Jordan. It was considered part of the Mandate. However those Arabs cannot be counted when trying to determine the number of Arabs in Israel pre 1920.
It is fallacy to pretend that Jews were a majority in any but a few small towns prior to 1900. There is just no basis for it. There has always been a Jewish presence in Israel/Palestine. No question. But prior to the early 20th century, it had been a VERY VERY VERY long time since Jews were a majority there.
But none of this is relevant to me. I do not challenge the right of the state of Israel to exist. Never have. On the contrary. I actively support the state. I have travelled there likely 15 times or more in my life. I was Bar Mitzvah at the Kotel. There are science labs,and day care centres, bursaries and city parks I have funded there. I have many friends there. Your accusations of blood libel and blame the Jews against me are as offensive to me as they are embarrassing to you.
I am simply arguing with you about your silly assertion that the Jews brought freedom to the Palestinians, and that Israel does not share some responsibility for the political and economic malaise of the Palestinians.
I am done talking to you. If I want to bang my head against the wall I can do it without typing.
| 176 |
garhighway Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:44:17am |
re: #174 Buck
I see, so now Snark replaces an actual argument? What is your counter point?
Yes the freedom loving ones do. They want to live in Israel and are quietly applying for and obtaining Israeli passports. The freedom loving ones.
The ones who do NOT want freedom (The Arab Palestinian leadership) do not feel better. It would be much harder to steal millions in Aid if they have to operate in a democracy.
You use the expression "self determination" as if you think that they don't have that. As if someone is forcing some kind of self determination on them.
Maybe you can explain what you mean. Do you think that Palestinian Arabs are not allowed to practice their religion if the country is Jewish? Are they forced to convert? Are they told that they are no longer Arab or Muslim?
What percentage of Palestinians have applied for such passports?
| 177 |
garhighway Thu, Aug 2, 2012 4:50:55am |
re: #167 Buck
Right, you think anti semitism is a right left thing.
I would laugh but obviously this is not funny.
Do you agree with the article and think that the Arab Palestinians are living in apartheid conditions? You do know that is what " gerrymandered Bantustans" refers to.
Do you agree with the article and think that the Arab Palestinians are living in apartheid conditions?
Is Israel South Africa? No. Do the Palestinians live under brutally oppressive conditions that are at least partially created by Israeli policy? (Which was The Economist's point in discussing Romney's silliness about "culture".) Yes. I think the Economist got that part right. Is The Economist anti-Semitic? You tell me.
| 178 |
garhighway Thu, Aug 2, 2012 11:02:23am |
And in today's NYT, Jared Diamond, who wrote the book that Romeny was allegedly citing during his "culture" comments, writes an Op-Ed in which he makes it clear that Romney either didn't read his book or didn't understand it.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
| 179 |
Buck Thu, Aug 2, 2012 2:03:11pm |
re: #176 garhighway
What percentage of Palestinians have applied for such passports?
read the article. The point is that they really don't have to in order to benefit completely from the freedoms and benefits. And that according to someone anti Israel and pro pal.
| 180 |
Buck Thu, Aug 2, 2012 2:04:43pm |
re: #177 garhighway
Do the Palestinians live under brutally oppressive conditions that are at least partially created by Israeli policy? (Which was The Economist's point in discussing Romney's silliness about "culture".) Yes.
Ok, Please tell me two brutally oppressive conditions that are at least partially created by Israeli policy that the Palestinians live under.
And yes, I think anyone who describes Israel as apartheid is guilty of hate speech. I don't know about the whole magazine, but the author of that article for sure.
Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
Cheechako
Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... CheechakoJoe Bacon ✅
March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
