Texas Republicans Vote for Tea Party Crackpot Ted Cruz

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Texas Republicans voted yesterday in a primary election to replace long-time Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison with former Solicitor General of Texas Ted Cruz, who believes George Soros is plotting with the United Nations to eliminate golf courses in the US, and believes “Shariah law is an enormous problem.” Among other crazy Tea Party delusions: Five Things Everyone Should Know About GOP Senate Candidate Ted Cruz.

Ted Cruz Believes George Soros Leads A United Nations Conspiracy To Eliminate Golf: In 1992, President George H.W. Bush joined the leaders of 177 other nations in endorsing a non-binding UN document known as Agenda 21. This twenty year-old document largely speaks at a very high level of generality about reducing poverty and building sustainable living environments. Nevertheless, Cruz published an article on his campaign website claiming that this non-binding document is actually a nefarious plot to “abolish ‘unsustainable’ environments, including golf courses, grazing pastures, and paved roads.” To top it off, Cruz lays the blame for this global anti-golf conspiracy at the feet of a well-known Tea Party boogieman — “The originator of this grand scheme is George Soros.” …

Ted Cruz Campaigned On How He Helped Texas Kill A Mexican: Cruz’s very first campaign ad encouraged GOP primary voters to support him because he helped make it easier for Texas to kill an “illegal alien.” According to the ad, “Cruz fought all the way to the Supreme Court” after “the UN and World Court overruled a Texas jury’s verdict to execute an illegal alien.” In reality, the case Cruz won had nothing to do with whether Texas had the authority to kill this man. Rather, it concerned whether Texas could defy a treaty requiring it to inform foreign nationals who are arrested of their right “to request assistance from the consul of his own state.” Even North Korea honored this treaty that Cruz fought to undermine.

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184 comments
1 jaunte  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:17:29am

As every Texan knows, the key priority in a drought is to keep your golf course watered.

2 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:17:39am

It never ceases to amuse me how the UN can be a useless rump on the one hand a nefarious string-pulling world-controlling Illuminati cabal on the other.

On the gripping hand, Cruz is a nut.

3 efuseakay  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:18:13am

They can have him.

4 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:19:49am

Even the assholes are bigger in Texas.

5 efuseakay  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:21:47am

If I were a reporter, I'd ask this guy:

Do you actually believe the bullshit you spout?

6 nines09  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:22:45am

He must have fallen asleep to overnight AM radio for decades. Speaks volumes about the voters.

7 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:27:33am

Sometimes I wonder what the next few years are going to look like....

8 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:30:11am

re: #7 Bulworth

Sometimes I wonder what the next few years are going to look like....

Christian Taliban?

Federalism will be eroded because the States cannot be trusted to follow the Constitution. Little Tyrants will gain power in localities and we will be in danger of losing our separation of powers.

9 Gus  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:31:32am

...providing further proof that humans are still living amongst the dinosaurs...

10 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:33:09am

Ted Cruz Believes George Soros Leads A

tea party crackpots supply tea party crack

11 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:35:08am

re: #7 Bulworth

Sometimes I wonder what the next few years are going to look like....

That is an easy one.

12 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:35:38am

Both Cruz and his slightly less crazy opponent, David Dewhurst, had to make high-profile campaign stops at Chik Fil-A on election day.

Chik Fil-A Appreciation Day at FaceBook.

The top messages are from Mike Huckabee, one of them thanking chief GOP shaman David Barton and Wall Builders for their role in promoting the event.

People in the UK will congratulate us for finally exceeding Monty Python in absurdist parody.

13 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:36:52am

What's amusing to me is that the GOP has created this monster which is now eating it. Dewhurst was the Republican in Texas, had the full support of the GOP establishment, and vastly more money than Cruz. He got painted as a RINO and devoured, because he just wasn't quite crazy enough.

14 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:40:21am

Full frontal tea party nuts will probably succeed Perry and Dewhurst when their present terms run out in 2015.

You ain't seen nothin' yet, folks!

15 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:40:24am

I think a big problem is that these "christians" truly believe at the bottom of their souls that gays can be cured.

It's a problem of science and acceptance.

16 jaunte  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:41:32am

Golf courses hardest hit.

17 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:48:25am

What we are likely to see from a true believer (as opposed to cynical panderer) tea party administration in Texas:

Revival of the sodomy laws.
School vouchers with attempts to exclude non-Christian schools.
Mandated creationism and climate change in public schools.
More executions.
Rampant retaliation and discrimination against non-conformist state employees.
Interference with federal law enforcement.
Subversion of federal environmental standards, repeal of all such state standards.
End to enforcement of state wage and hour laws.

18 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:48:34am
To top it off, Cruz lays the blame for this global anti-golf conspiracy at the feet of a well-known Tea Party boogieman — “The originator of this grand scheme is George Soros.” …

I admit it. I am a UN sponsored socialist out to kill golfers and George Soros pays my bills. There is no use in denying it anymore people. They are on to us.

At least we got Tiger Woods out of the way......

19 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:48:36am

It's a sign of how jaded I've become with politics that when I heard about the result of this vote, my response was just to roll my eyes and move on. Hell, it's gotten bad enough that I can't even make a joke about Romney and his moderating influence upon the party.

20 Gus  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:50:32am

re: #16 jaunte

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Golf courses hardest hit.

Golf courses are people too my friend.

21 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:51:02am

re: #20 Gus

Golf courses are people too my friend.

Only if they are incorporated!

22 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:51:24am

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

23 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:52:05am

A House Republican lawmaker likened the implementation of a new mandate that insurers offer coverage for contraceptive services to Pearl Harbor and the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks against the United States.

Pennsylvania Rep. Mike Kelly (R), an ardent opponent of abortion rights, said that today's date would live in infamy

LGF Commenter Likens Republican Attitudes To Personality Disorders

24 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:52:36am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

There they go again, these conservatives, conflating the rights of business and the rights of individuals; actually boosting the former at the expense of the latter. Always.

25 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:52:46am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

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Crap! You mean Christian Scientist employers have to provide health insurance?

26 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:53:40am

Religious liberty dies today

somebody is allowed to do something i don't approve of

27 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:53:57am
Religious liberty dies today

Ya hear that? Now none of us is free to worship the god of their understanding. It's all over. //

28 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:54:35am

Dewhurst really tried to win over the Tea Party, he really did.

In March 2010, a student performance of the play Corpus Christi by Terrence McNally, in which Jesus and the disciples are portrayed as being gay, was canceled at Tarleton State University in Stephenville, Texas following a condemnatory statement by Dewhurst. The university had received many complaints about the play's scheduled performance as a class project for a directing class, but in a letter posted on the university's website on March 11, President F. Dominic Dottavio, citing freedom of speech, declared that the play would be performed. The day before the performance, Dewhurst issued his statement saying, "No one should have the right to use government funds or institutions to portray acts that are morally reprehensible to the vast majority of Americans," and the performance was cancelled by the professor, who cited safety concerns. A subsequent statement by Dewhurst praised the university for canceling the performance, whereas the professor claimed to have acted on his own. Dewhurst's statement also claimed that whereas he is "a strong defender of free speech, we must also protect the rights and reasonable expectations of Texas taxpayers and how their money is used. A play that is completely contrary to the standards of decency and moral beliefs of the vast majority of Texans should not be performed using any state resources, especially by an institution of higher learning."

He lost because he is not "conservative enough." Boggles the mind.

29 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:54:41am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

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How dare a business owner not be allowed to force their religious belief on their employees!!!

30 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:55:01am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

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If religious liberty means denial of heath coverage, then I'm doing a happy dance right on the casket of that motherfucker.

31 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:55:28am

Money and God just don't go together. IMHO

32 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:55:40am

re: #24 Bulworth

There they go again, these conservatives, conflating the rights of business and the rights of individuals; actually boosting the former at the expense of the latter. Always.

That is exactly the right wing mindset. It is boss worship. The boss is king. Might and wealth make right and you should be a proud serf in their employee.

Why? Because the right wing base things they are the ruling elite and buddies with the 1% (they are the soon to haves). The reason the right wing votes against their self interest is because they think that very soon, just around the corner, they will also become the 1% and they want to have the power to lord it over the rest (especially if they can lord it over minorities and women).

33 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:56:20am

Colleges freeze, reduce tuition as public balks

eats, shoots, and leaves

Hechinger Report: After three decades of tuition hikes that have outpaced inflation, students, families, legislators and governing boards are demanding a halt.

this can't be true: it's good news

34 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:57:03am

re: #28 Shiplord Kirel
Well, at least I don't have to feel sorry for this guy then.

35 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:57:44am

Ya know, it'd be one thing if this guy were just going to be elected to some state gov't job rather than national office, but sending him to the U.S. senate should pose a national security risk for the harm his vote could do to the rest of us.

36 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:57:55am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

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Because if American women have access to effective contraception, abortions could be dramatically reduced. And we can't have that./

37 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:59:25am

re: #36 aagcobb

Because if American women have access to effective contraception, abortions could be dramatically reduced. And we can't have that./

At least they're now openly admitting they prefer abortions to BC.

38 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:59:26am

re: #22 Learned Mother of Zion

DANA HAZ A FAIL DAY

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Yes, business owners do have to do something, Dana. They have to respect the religious beliefs of their employees. Shocking, I know, but I'm sure you'll pull through.

39 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 11:59:54am

What does "free exercise" of religion mean under the First Amendment?

The Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment states that the government "shall make no law . . . prohibiting the free exercise of religion." Although the text sounds absolute, "no law" does not always mean "no law." The Supreme Court has had to place some limits on the freedom to practice religion. To take an easy example cited by the Court in one of its landmark "free exercise" cases, the First Amendment would not protect the practice of human sacrifice even if some religion required it.1 In other words, while the freedom to believe is absolute, the freedom to act on those beliefs is not.

But where may government draw the line on the practice of religion? The courts have struggled with the answer to that question for much of our history. Over time, the Supreme Court developed a test to help judges determine the limits of free exercise. First fully articulated in the 1963 case of Sherbert v. Verner, this test is sometimes referred to as the Sherbert or "compelling interest" test. The test has four parts: two that apply to any person who claims that his freedom of religion has been violated, and two that apply to the government agency accused of violating those rights.

For the individual, the court must determine

whether the person has a claim involving a sincere religious belief, and

whether the government action is a substantial burden on the person’s ability to act on that belief.

If these two elements are established, then the government must prove

that it is acting in furtherance of a "compelling state interest," and

that it has pursued that interest in the manner least restrictive, or least burdensome, to religion.2

The Supreme Court, however, curtailed the application of the Sherbert test in the 1990 case of Employment Division v. Smith. In that case, the Court held that a burden on free exercise no longer had to be justified by a compelling state interest if the burden was an unintended result of laws that are generally applicable.3

After Smith, only laws (or government actions) that (1) were intended to prohibit the free exercise of religion, or (2) violated other constitutional rights, such as freedom of speech, were subject to the compelling interest test. For example, a state could not pass a law stating that Native Americans are prohibited from using peyote, but it could accomplish the same result by prohibiting the use of peyote by everyone.

In the wake of Smith, many religious and civil liberties groups have worked to restore the Sherbert test -- or compelling interest test -- through legislation. These efforts have been successful in some states. In other states, the courts have ruled that the compelling interest test is applicable to religious claims by virtue of the state's own constitution. In many states, however, the level of protection for free exercise claims is uncertain.

40 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:00:35pm

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

Green: Isn't that the difference between the Founding Era and ours today in terms of expectations? They expected you to do a lot while you were young. You didn't wait until you were 40 to figure out what God had for you in your life.

Barton: They didn't know what the word "adolescent" meant. And, by the way, I checked with Rabbi [Daniel] Lapin, he says that is not a word that appears in Hebrew because it's not in the mind of God. God wasn't into adolescence, He was in to having you become productive, having you be fruitful, having your produce and so that's why there was no adolescence in the Founding Era; that's a modern phenomenon, that's a progressive liberal phenomenon is adolescence.

41 nines09  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:01:12pm

re: #32 Destro

They want that membership card, even though they can't have it. Even if they were rich. It's called "kissing ass."

42 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:01:52pm

re: #39 engineer cat

I will forever remember this as the ice cream test.

43 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:02:19pm

re: #40 Kragar

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

Barton: They didn't know what the word "adolescent" meant. And, by the way, I checked with Rabbi [Daniel] Lapin, he says that is not a word that appears in Hebrew because it's not in the mind of God. God wasn't into adolescence, He was in to having you become productive, having you be fruitful, having your produce and so that's why there was no adolescence in the Founding Era; that's a modern phenomenon, that's a progressive liberal phenomenon is adolescence.

NAAR: Adolescent young man
NAARAH: Adolsecent young woman

What Hebrew school did Daiel Lapin attend?

44 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:02:30pm

O/T but ROFLMMFAO

45 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:02:47pm

re: #40 Kragar

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

all should be married by 13 or (girls with menstrating). keep 'em busy so they can't think for themselves.

46 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:02:47pm

re: #40 Kragar

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

I just don't even understand. This is rantings-on-the-subway level madness, the sort that you just completely tune out, not making eye contact out of vague societal embarrassment.

47 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:03:38pm

re: #40 Kragar

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

Did that creep just hint that the bible sanctions child brides?

48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:04:57pm

re: #43 Learned Mother of Zion

NAMBLA agrees with barton...

49 Ogami Itto  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:05:21pm

re: #43 Learned Mother of Zion

What Hebrew school did Daiel Lapin attend?

The crazy stupid one?

50 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:07:07pm

re: #48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

NAMBLA agrees with barton...

The North American Marlon Brando Lookalike Association agrees with Barton? But why?

51 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:07:12pm

re: #47 Destro

Did that creep just hint that the bible sanctions child brides?

And the repeal of child labor laws. Those shiftless kids need to get productive!

52 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:07:42pm

These fucking people.

"I know in your mind you can think of times when America was attacked. One is December 7th, that's Pearl Harbor day. The other is September 11th, and that's the day of the terrorist attack," Kelly [R-PA] said at a press conference on Capitol Hill. "I want you to remember August the 1st, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates."

53 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:09:01pm

re: #52 erik_t

These fucking people.

Hyperbole? What hyperbole?
/

54 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:09:25pm

re: #48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

NAMBLA agrees with barton...

No, no, no! NAMBLA is about boys. He is "biblically" into young girls.

55 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:13:36pm

re: #54 Destro

No, no, no! NAMBLA is about boys. He is "biblically" into young girls.

NAMBLA IS FUCKING SICK. If they have a 501(c)3, I may have to make a t-shirt.

56 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:14:24pm
"I want you to remember August the 1st, 2012, the attack on our religious freedom. That is a day that will live in infamy, along with those other dates."

Sigh. There they go again. Corporations are not people, my friend.

RWNJ love corporate rights. Rights for individuals? Not so much.

57 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:15:17pm

Oh Mittney, you silly twit

Romney Camp Cited Same Think Tank They Now Denounce As ‘Liberal’

The Romney campaign is pushing back against a new study from researchers at the nonpartisan Brookings Institution and Tax Policy Center suggesting Mitt Romney’s tax proposals would actually increase taxes for a whopping a 95% of Americans, denouncing the Tax Policy Center as a “liberal” group. While the Romney campaign hasn’t rebutted the substance of the study, they claim the Tax Policy Center should be dismissed entirely as a biased source.

But the Obama campaign notes that Romney aides took a very different view of the group when they put out a similar analysis of Rick Perry’s tax plan during the Republican primaries.

58 iossarian  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:15:36pm

re: #31 ggt

Money and God just don't go together. IMHO

I think someone once said something about it.

(Actually that's my favorite Biblical pun: "You cannot serve cod and gammon.")

59 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:18:15pm

re: #52 erik_t

These fucking people.

I have been posting this every time I see this particular article come up.

Feh. Stop bullshitting, you misogynistic bastards. This isn't about freedom. It's about power. You dirtbags are losing your power to decide who is and who is not a human being. Which is most of humanity in your estimation. So you are pushing back because you want to keep that power. You frame it as 'freedom' so that you don't look like the selfish assholes you actually are.

Stop lying to us. Own up to your motivations. You are supposed to be all about personal responsibility after all.

60 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:19:15pm
61 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:19:38pm

re: #57 Kragar

Oh Mittney, you silly twit

Romney Camp Cited Same Think Tank They Now Denounce As ‘Liberal’

Severely retroactively un-cited.

62 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:19:55pm

re: #59 Romantic Heretic

I have been posting this every time I see this particular article come up.

oooh, what is the source. I wanna put that on my fb.

63 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:21:51pm

re: #15 ggt

I think a big problem is that these "christians" truly believe at the bottom of their souls that gays can be cured.

It's a problem of science and acceptance.

Actually, I think they think being gay is a "lifestyle choice," so they can just quit their nasty habit, no cure necessary.

Idiots.

64 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:22:14pm

re: #62 ggt

That's me.

I quoted because I am quoting myself. Welcome to use it freely.

65 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:22:39pm

re: #63 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

Actually, I think they think being gay is a "lifestyle choice," so they can just quit their nasty habit, no cure necessary.

Idiots.

Because sex is a vice that must be strictly controlled. . . . .

/

repression is a terrible thing. IMHO

66 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:23:13pm

re: #64 Romantic Heretic

That's me.

I quoted because I am quoting myself. Welcome to use it freely.

i regret I have only 1 upding to give.

67 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:23:52pm

re: #57 Kragar

Oh Mittney, you silly twit

Romney Camp Cited Same Think Tank They Now Denounce As ‘Liberal’

Being Mitt means never having to take the same position twice.

68 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:24:19pm

Steve King rambles on semi-coherently

Yesterday, ThinkProgress reported on Rep. Steve King’s (R-IA) comments that “there’s something wrong with” outlawing dogfighting when “people fighting” is legal. King has since tried to backtrack from the claim, arguing that while his words were “distorted,” he still believes that “we’ve crossed a moral line” by “elevating animals up to above that of humans.”

In explaining himself, King argues that animals have more rights than fetuses, and suggests that liberals have so devalued life, that a man can rape a young girl, kidnap her, force her to undergo an abortion across state lines, and then “drop her off at the swingset….and that’s not against the law in the United States of America.”

Um, last I checked, kidnap, rape, abandonment, and forced termination of a pregnancy were all illegal everywhere in the US.

69 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:25:05pm

re: #65 ggt

Because sex is a vice that must be strictly controlled. . . . .

/

repression is a terrible thing. IMHO

Viagra is a still a medical necessity though.
/

70 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:25:27pm

re: #68 Kragar

Steve King rambles on semi-coherently

Not intended to be a factual statement.

71 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:25:57pm

re: #68 Kragar

Steve King rambles on semi-coherently

Um, last I checked, kidnap, rape, abandonment, and forced termination of a pregnancy were all illegal everywhere in the US.

One would hope that defending dogfighting would finally cross a line that would get this POS voted out of office.

72 Gus  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:25:58pm

re: #40 Kragar

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

...

The Concept of _______ (please print) is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

73 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:26:33pm

One of my eccenticities is that I don't eat chicken. I can't abide the vile birds alive either. The foul fowl may be suitable food for coyotes and buzzards, but not for me. I might eat a chicken if I were starving to death and couldn't catch any rabbits or field mice.

74 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:27:12pm
a man can rape a young girl, kidnap her, force her to undergo an abortion across state lines, and then “drop her off at the swingset….and that’s not against the law in the United States of America.”

Only the abortion part bothers King. And he has to make it a 'forced' abortion at that.

75 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:27:24pm

re: #72 Gus

...The Concept of _______ (please print) is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'...

Indoor plumbing. The internet. Close-toed shoes. Chocolate.

76 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:28:29pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

One of my eccenticities is that I don't eat chicken. I can't abide the vile birds alive either. The foul fowl may be suitable food for coyotes and buzzards, but not for me. I might eat a chicken if I were starving to death and couldn't catch any rabbits or field mice.

My brother was like that once, then he decided that every other barnyard animal was just as disgusting, so he eats them all now.

77 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:28:38pm

re: #39 engineer cat

like duh, any right ends at the point that it impinges on the rights of others, be it free speech, free trade or free love.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:28:57pm

re: #1 jaunte

As every Texan knows, the key priority in a drought is to keep your golf course watered.

Xeriscaping is the only way to go.

79 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:28:57pm

re: #72 Gus

...

Lying about historical events...

80 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:29:25pm

re: #41 nines09

They want that membership card, even though they can't have it. Even if they were rich. It's called "kissing ass."

You nailed. It's about the fantasy of being almost members of the country club elite. From being the caddy of the golf club to a member.

81 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:30:33pm

re: #43 Learned Mother of Zion

NAAR: Adolescent young man
NAARAH: Adolsecent young woman

What Hebrew school did Daiel Lapin attend?

Back then you got married off and started breeding as soon as you hit adolescence.

"finishing school" is also a progressive concept not founded in the Bible

82 Tigger2  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:31:05pm

re: #17 Shiplord Kirel

What we are likely to see from a true believer (as opposed to cynical panderer) tea party administration in Texas:

Revival of the sodomy laws.
School vouchers with attempts to exclude non-Christian schools.
Mandated creationism and climate change in public schools.
More executions.
Rampant retaliation and discrimination against non-conformist state employees.
Interference with federal law enforcement.
Subversion of federal environmental standards, repeal of all such state standards.
End to enforcement of state wage and hour laws.

So to make it short they will rule over their self induced decline of America.

83 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:31:14pm

re: #32 Destro

That is exactly the right wing mindset. It is boss worship. The boss is king. Might and wealth make right and you should be a proud serf in their employee.

Might as well Godwin the thread here and now. The word you are looking for is führerprinzip, which is the logical end to that kind of thinking.

84 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:31:42pm

re: #81 Expand Your Ground

Back then you got married off and started breeding as soon as you hit adolescence.

"finishing school" is also a progressive concept not founded in the Bible

Age of consent is a progressive liberal concept not found in the bible.
///

85 GunstarGreen  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:32:37pm

People are denied the right to build/open to the public houses of worship for their (non-Christian) religion, even after having gone through all the necessary process and obtained all the proper permits and licenses: Score one for the home team!

Businesses have to provide coverage for a particular medical service as part of their insurance package: Violating our Liberty™!

Nobody in the national media apparatus brings this up. Nobody challenges these statements. Nobody questions motivations. Nobody demands some truth and honesty. Nobody requires an explanation of just what exactly Liberty™ even means anymore.

Why do we permit this to continue apace?

86 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:34:40pm

re: #84 Kragar

Age of consent is a progressive liberal concept not found in the bible.
///

You had to start breeding at adolescence in order to turn out the 8-10 children you needed to ensure that three or four would survive to support you in your dotage, since "pension plans" and "social security" are also progressive liberal notions.

87 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:34:54pm

re: #75 erik_t

Indoor plumbing. The internet. Close-toed shoes. Chocolate.

Crom laughs at your four winds!

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:36:59pm

re: #40 Kragar

Barton: The Concept of Adolescence is an Unbiblical 'Progressive Liberal Phenomenon'

I don't know what he thinks 'bocher' and 'naarah' mean, but they don't refer to children or to grownups. Perhaps 'youth' would satify this nutjob.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:37:34pm

re: #43 Learned Mother of Zion

NAAR: Adolescent young man
NAARAH: Adolsecent young woman

What Hebrew school did Daiel Lapin attend?

Nowhere in the Tanach does the English word 'adolescent' appear. This means God didn't think of it.
/

91 Destro  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:38:52pm

re: #84 Kragar

Age of consent is a progressive liberal concept not found in the bible.
///

It's also a progressive liberal concept not allowing someone to kill you for mowing your lawn on the Sabbath.

Those damned progressive liberals won't allow us to kill for:

Lying about virginity (girls only)

Being the victim of rape,

Gay sex (Lesbians get a free ride - no punishment)

Trying to convert people to another religion.

Non-priests going near the tabernacle when it is being moved.

Being a stubborn and rebellious son. And being a profligate and a drunkard. (stoning) (Quite a few of us might have a problem with this one)

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:41:14pm

re: #81 Expand Your Ground

Back then you got married off and started breeding as soon as you hit adolescence.

"finishing school" is also a progressive concept not founded in the Bible

I dunno. Tradition has it that Abraham's son Isaac didn't marry until forty. That's one hell of a protracted adolescence.

/

93 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:41:53pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

I dunno. Tradition has it that Abraham's son Isaac didn't marry until forty. That's one hell of a protracted adolescence.

/

You mean it took him that long to finish high school?

94 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:42:51pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

I dunno. Tradition has it that Abraham's son Isaac didn't marry until forty. That's one hell of a protracted adolescence.

/

Well, people lived for hundred of years back then, so there was no rush.
///

95 iossarian  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:44:56pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

I dunno. Tradition has it that Abraham's son Isaac didn't marry until forty. That's one hell of a protracted adolescence.

/

I heard he never once boinked a servant girl before that, either.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:45:23pm

re: #94 Kragar

Well, people lived for hundred of years back then, so there was no rush.
///

Also according to tradition, his eventual bride was three.

I can go on for some time about why I think tradition is mistaken on this point. It begins with the rational question of whether a man who is now supposedly a hundred and forty is really going to acquire for his son a wife who won't be giving him grandchildren for at least a decade.

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:46:11pm

re: #95 iossarian

I heard he never once boinked a servant girl before that, either.

The text is silent. And the text can be kind of a blabbermouth on subjects like that.

98 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:46:41pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

Also according to tradition, his eventual bride was three.

I can go on for some time about why I think tradition is mistaken on this point. It begins with the rational question of whether a man who is now supposedly a hundred and forty is really going to acquire for his son a wife who won't be giving him grandchildren for at least a decade.

Are you casting aspersions on God's Divine Truth?

99 iossarian  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:46:56pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

The text is silent. And the text can be kind of a blabbermouth on subjects like that.

I don't know. Isn't is just telling you whether kids ensued?

Maybe he just got lucky on the whole monthly roulette thing.

100 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:48:10pm

re: #98 Expand Your Ground

Are you casting aspersions on God's Divine Truth?

Nah, I'm arguing with Rashi. Which is, really, almost the same thing to some people, but I think the Ibn Ezra is on my side.

I don't know what rationalists would do without the Ibn Ezra.

101 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:49:38pm

re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist

Nah, I'm arguing with Rashi. Which is, really, almost the same thing to some people, but I think the Ibn Ezra is on my side.

I don't know what rationalists would do without the Ibn Ezra.

Rationalism is also a liberal-progressive invention not found in the Bible

102 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:50:41pm

Well, the kid's learned what malware is firsthand on their laptop today. They also learned that not taking care of their computer means I won't fix it till I feel like, which won't be till this weekend.

103 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:51:08pm

re: #101 Expand Your Ground

Rationalism is also a liberal-progressive invention not found in the Bible

CONSULT THE PYROTECHNIC SHRUBBERY!!!

104 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:52:17pm

re: #102 Kragar

Well, the kid's learned what malware is firsthand on their laptop today. They also learned that not taking care of their computer means I won't fix it till I feel like, which won't be till this weekend.

Tough love.

105 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:53:59pm

re: #103 Kragar

Only when it sounds like Samuel L. Jackson. /

106 blueraven  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:54:21pm

Evacuation at San Antonio Airport-Bomb Threat

107 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:54:41pm

re: #104 Someone Please Beam Me Up!

Tough love.

They also learned the FBI doesn't sell advertising space to riteaid and other companies or lock down your PC until you pay a fine anonymously online.

Its been a very educational day for the kids. They were too scared to tell me yesterday because they were scared FBI agents were going to show up at the house.

108 blueraven  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:55:02pm

re: #106 blueraven

Evacuation at San Antonio Airport-Bomb Threat

[Link: www.mysanantonio.com...]

109 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:58:25pm

re: #106 blueraven

Evacuation at San Antonio Airport-Bomb Threat

Chick fil a too
Bomb threat called in to Chick-fil-A in Martinsburg
Allahu snackbar!

110 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 12:59:18pm

Behold, the latest Citizen Kane from the Ron Paul crowd

It's "animated"

111 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:00:43pm

Today's vocabulary word:


The Führerprinzip

[ˈfyːʀɐpʀɪnˌtsiːp] ( listen), German for "leader principle", prescribes the fundamental basis of political authority in the governmental structures of the Third Reich. This principle can be most succinctly understood to mean that "the Führer's word is above all written law" and that governmental policies, decisions, and offices ought to work toward the realization of this end.[1] In actual political usage, it refers mainly to the practice of dictatorship within the ranks of a political party itself, and as such, it has become an earmark of political Fascism.

112 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:01:33pm

re: #75 erik_t

Indoor plumbing. The internet. Close-toed shoes. Chocolate.

NOT chocolate!

say it ain't so

113 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:02:08pm

re: #110 Fred Galt

Behold, the latest Citizen Kane from the Ron Paul crowd

[Embedded content]

It's "animated"

"YOUR ANIMATION IS BAD AND YOU SHOULD FEEL BAD!"
(V)(;,,;)(V)

114 kirkspencer  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:02:58pm

re: #102 Kragar

Well, the kid's learned what malware is firsthand on their laptop today. They also learned that not taking care of their computer means I won't fix it till I feel like, which won't be till this weekend.

Now when it's the wife who keeps tripping the malware, "when I feel like it" is "now."

or else.

115 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:04:25pm

re: #114 kirkspencer

Now when it's the wife who keeps tripping the malware, "when I feel like it" is "now."

or else.

The wife barely uses her computer, and then its to go to 1 of maybe 3 websites or play a game.

116 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:06:39pm

I bad, you bad, we be all bad.

But we have fun!!!!!

117 labman57  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:06:44pm

We are the Tea Party movement. Our goals:

1. Take back the country, because we refuse to be associated with it so long as that black, foreign-born, socialist Muslim is living in the White House.

2. Return to the values and tenets of our Founding Fathers. If they wanted a Civil Rights Act in America, why did so many of them own slaves?

3. Destroy "ObamaCare", because the government has no business regulating the private health care insurance industry. And because the government has no right to kill grandma. That's the job of your HMO or PPO. And by the way, keep your filthy hands off my Medicare coverage!

4. Create a smaller government, because the feds have no business telling us Americans what do to ... unless you're gay, or you wish to purchase marijuana for personal use, or you need an abortion, or you wish to obtain contraceptives.

5. Demonstrate our support for the health and well-being of women … by greatly reducing affordable access to breast cancer screenings and other preventative health care resources … and by requiring women to "spread them" and provide a womb with a view for Uncle Sam.

6. Deny the impact of human activity on climate change. Because everyone knows that if global warming is real, it's simply "God's will".

7. Make Christianity the official religion and English the official language of the United States, because native English-speaking, Christian folks are the only truly patriotic Americans.

8. Destroy labor unions, because besides the 40-hour work week, paid vacation time, workers' compensation, sick days, overtime pay, regulations regarding workplace health and safety conditions, health benefits, pension plans, etc. … what have they ever done for the typical American wage earner?

9. Stop spending so much money! Except when we need to invade another country that pisses us off. Or if it's done to support programs and policies that help to further our own political agendas.

10. Reduce the deficit ... at the same time that we're gonna give kickbacks to the lobbyists and huge tax breaks to all of those corporations and ultra-wealthy individuals that helped to finance our little "party".

11. Embrace an economic scorched earth policy approach to reducing the national debt. Because if Congress refuses to eliminate Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, we'll do everything in our power to destroy the economic viability of the nation. Negotiation and compromise is not in our repertoire -- It's our way or the highway.

12. To demonstrate our commitment to our sacred U.S. Constitution, we strive to eliminate those Amendments that conflict with our ideology and simply ignore other sections that we find inconvenient to honor.
13. To demonstrate our patriotic love for this nation, we propose to secede from the Union.

14. And if you won't let us attain our goals by electing us to office ... well, we can always resort to "Second Amendment remedies".

Any questions?

118 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:07:27pm

re: #117 labman57

Joke's on you. No Tea Partier is going to read that whole list.

119 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:08:51pm

re: #99 iossarian

I don't know. Isn't is just telling you whether kids ensued?

Maybe he just got lucky on the whole monthly roulette thing.

Slaves? wasn't there a different set of rules for slaves of any gender or age?

120 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:09:06pm

Bees? Fuck you bees!

121 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:10:46pm

WE are the Tea Party!! Nobudy butt America!

122 blueraven  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:10:49pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

Chick fil a too
Bomb threat called in to Chick-fil-A in Martinsburg
Allahu snackbar!

That appears to be a hoax. I think the one at SA airport is credible.

123 DREd  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:12:11pm

So this guy went to Princeton, edited the Harvard Law Review, clerked for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. . .and believes that George Soros is plotting with the UN to take away golf courses?

124 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:13:04pm

re: #123 DREd

So this guy went to Princeton, edited the Harvard Law Review, clerked for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. . .and believes that George Soros is plotting with the UN to take away golf courses?

Its either that or shamelessly pandering to idiots for a vote.

125 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:13:22pm

re: #123 DREd

So this guy went to Princeton, edited the Harvard Law Review, clerked for the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. . .and believes that George Soros is plotting with the UN to take away golf courses?

IIRC, George Soros command about a gazillionth of a percentage of $$ of what the Koch Bros command.

126 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:13:25pm

re: #117 labman57

We have an Unholy Alliance at work here.

I am reminded of a quote from James Carville "If you want to tell me the Earth is only 5,000 years old, you are either really stuipd or really cynical and trying to get the votes of stupid people".

Ditto that with AGW denial, supply-side economics, abstinence-only education, etc., and you get the entire dynamic behind modern conservatism: they guys at the Mitt Romey level do not buy into it, they just see that manipulating the gullible fundamentalists is the best way to ensure their tax breaks, freedom from government regulation and big bonuses.

127 jaunte  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:14:11pm

re: #123 DREd

Something to do with a gay UN anti-golf agenda.

At the Values Voters summit last October, Cruz warned that American politics had been hijacked by the "gay rights agenda."
[Link: www.motherjones.com...]

128 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:15:18pm

See, he just knows what's really going on. And the only elitists are the ones with a (D) after their name. Not the ones telling people how to live their personal lives. No sir.

129 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:15:24pm

re: #127 jaunte

Something to do with a gay UN anti-golf agenda.

I think teh gayz are mostly anti-golf for fashion reasons.

130 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:16:15pm

re: #129 erik_t

I think teh gayz are mostly anti-golf for fashion reasons.

They like putting their balls into different sorts of holes...

131 jaunte  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:16:36pm
132 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:17:17pm

I'm glad Romney is celebrating Israeli society and culture. Even though they've had a severely right-wing government in charge for awhile, they still understand that things actually have to be paid for.

Interior Minister Eli Yishai announced Wednesday that his party had signed a deal with the Treasury agreeing to support the across-the-board tax hikes in exchange for the Treasury waiving planned budget cuts to the Shas-held ministries of Interior and Housing.

The tax raises, approved on Monday, are part of a package of measures officials said are needed to finance economic reforms, including free schooling from age three, and to head off economic crisis.

According to Yishai, “Israel’s local authorities and thousands of people in need of public housing were saved today from harsh cuts, thanks to our uncompromising stance.”

Housing Minister Ariel Attias welcomed the agreement, writing on his Facebook page: “We will now enjoy a significantly larger budget, increased public housing stock and other benefits.”

Thanks for pointing to that society as a strong one, Romney. I agree with you. So let's follow their example and raise taxes across the board so we can help people get a good education and find housing.

133 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:18:32pm
134 jaunte  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:19:26pm
135 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:19:50pm

What difference does it make that a deeply red red state like Texas has voted for a Rightwing nut? Did Hutchison break ranks with other Republican Senators on key votes? From what I recall, she voted lockstep with other Republicans in blocking President Obama's agenda (or trying to block it), so I'm not sure why Cruz' election will be worse. I would be more upset if Cruz won in a Blue state and took over a seat previously held by a Democrat.

136 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:19:52pm

re: #133 Kragar

KITTENS!!!

Image: Wg-SOqLNB0-gbqZiHtarjg2.jpg

SOROS AND THE U.N. PAINTED SKUNKS TO LOOK LIKE KITTENS TO DRIVE CHILDREN AWAY FROM GREEN GRASSY GOLF COURSES SO THAT AGENDA 21 COULD GET RID OF GOLF WITHOUT ANY PUBLIC OUTCRY

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:25:20pm

re: #126 Expand Your Ground

James Carville "If you want to tell me the Earth is only 5,000 years old, you are either really stuipd or really cynical and trying to get the votes of stupid people".

ooh, what is that from?

138 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:25:28pm

re: #111 ggt

Today's vocabulary word:

The Führerprinzip

i call it the 'dog pack' theory of social organization

die katzen haben kiene führerprinzip!

139 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:25:48pm

re: #133 Kragar

KITTENS!!!

Image: Wg-SOqLNB0-gbqZiHtarjg2.jpg

beebees!!!!!

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:26:05pm

re: #138 engineer cat

i call it the 'dog pack' theory of social organization

die katzen haben kiene führerprinzip!

translation please?

141 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:26:55pm

re: #140 ggt

The cats have no führer principle. Ish.

142 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:28:39pm

re: #134 jaunte

What to do when an elephant crashes your pool party

Is that Afrika? I'd be more concerned about snakes in my pool than elephants.

2nd, I guess the elephant doesn't like chlorine --smart elephant!

143 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:28:54pm

re: #141 erik_t

The cats have no führer principle. Ish.

THEY are the fuhrer!

144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:29:07pm

re: #138 engineer cat

i call it the 'dog pack' theory of social organization

die katzen haben kiene führerprinzip!

I usually leave spelling errors alone, but for some reason I feel differently when it's a foreign language:

1) keine, not kiene
2) all nouns in German are capitalized, so Katzen and Führerprinzip

145 jaunte  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:29:43pm

re: #142 ggt

I think it is Africa; can't find the source, but the elephant looks African.

146 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:30:52pm

re: #144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I've been on the internet too long. Neither fazed me in the slightest.

147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:31:21pm

re: #146 erik_t

I've been on the internet too long. Neither fazed me in the slightest.

My spelling and grammer have gone way, way downhill since the internet!

148 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:31:38pm

re: #145 jaunte

I think it is Africa; can't find the source, but the elephant looks African.

trees look Afrikan

149 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:32:06pm

The Economist chimes in on Romney's European trip:

Like Bush, but without the cosmopolitan flair

Brutal! But there's more:

His campaign so far has been lacklustre, and his first trip abroad has been a bit of a horn-honking, floppy-shoed clown show.

Comparing the income of the average Israeli to that of the average Palestinian, as though their prospects at birth had been equivalent and their fortunes today are largely the result of their own efforts and their "culture", is gratuitously insulting and wreaks damage to American diplomacy.

150 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:32:53pm

re: #68 Kragar

Steve King rambles on semi-coherently

Um, last I checked, kidnap, rape, abandonment, and forced termination of a pregnancy were all illegal everywhere in the US.

Well, that wasn't meant as a factual statement. Just something to get the mindless riled up, 'cause they won't check.

151 Kragar  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:33:10pm

re: #147 ggt

My spelling and grammer have gone way, way downhill since the internet!

*grammar

152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:33:36pm

re: #141 erik_t

The cats have no führer principle. Ish.

Just for completeness, Führer could also be translated. It means "leader".

Many years ago my church choir did a tour of southern Germany, hosted by churches there of the same denomination. One night we attended a youth group meeting where games were played. It came as a surprise to me when one of the German kids said (all in German, but I understood the gist): "I'll be the Führer." To me at the time the word meant only Hitler, but to them it was simply "leader".

153 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:36:25pm

re: #151 Kragar

*grammar

I rest my case . . .

154 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:40:04pm

bbl

155 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:42:21pm

re: #144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I usually leave spelling errors alone, but for some reason I feel differently when it's a foreign language:

1) keine, not kiene
2) all nouns in German are capitalized, so Katzen and Führerprinzip

and "Prinzip" is neutral in gender, so it is "kein Führerprinzip"

156 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:44:22pm

re: #155 Expand Your Ground

and "Prinzip" is neutral in gender, so it is "kein Führerprinzip"

Right you are.

157 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:44:41pm

re: #152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Just for completeness, Führer could also be translated. It means "leader".

Many years ago my church choir did a tour of southern Germany, hosted by churches there of the same denomination. One night we attended a youth group meeting where games were played. It came as a surprise to me when one of the German kids said (all in German, but I understood the gist): "I'll be the Führer." To me at the time the word meant only Hitler, but to them it was simply "leader".

here in Bacharach, Germany I am a state-certified Weltkulturerbegästeführer (World Cultural Heritage Site Tour Guide).

So when people ask why i came to Germany, I tell them I always wanted to become a Führer

158 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:44:55pm

re: #152 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Somewhat related: Some German guy wrote a book right after the war that studied the way fascists used language to indoctrinate people. It's called "Lingua Tertii Imperii."

"No, the most powerful influence was exerted neither by individual speeches nor by articles or flyers, posters or flags; it was not achieved by things which one had to absorb by conscious thought or conscious emotions.
Instead Nazism permeated the flesh and blood of the people through single words, idioms and sentence structures which were imposed on them in a million repetitions and taken on board mechanically and unconsciously. . . language does not simply write and think for me, it also increasingly dictates my feelings and governs my entire spiritual being the more unquestioningly and unconsciously I abandon myself to it.

The Third Reich coined only a very small number of the words in its language, perhaps - indeed probably - none at all. . . But it changes the value of words and the frequency of their occurrence, it makes common property out of what was previously the preserve of an individual or a tiny group, it commandeers for the party that which was previously common property and in the process steeps words and groups of words and sentence structures with its poison.[1]

159 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:46:51pm

re: #158 Fred Galt

Somewhat related: Some German guy wrote a book right after the war that studied the way fascists used language to indoctrinate people. It's called "Lingua Tertii Imperii."

Sounds like he and Orwell were on the same page. Newspeak is simply the same principle applied more broadly and openly.

160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:46:57pm
161 erik_t  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:47:42pm

re: #160 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And the gold goes to Mitt Romney for the triple Flip-Flop

His lies aren't even intelligent or calculated. It's painful, really.

162 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:47:48pm

re: #155 Expand Your Ground

and "Prinzip" is neutral in gender, so it is "kein Führerprinzip"

Grammar Nazi.

163 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:47:54pm

Oh great. Now we have German grammar Nazis.

164 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:47:54pm

re: #158 Fred Galt

Remember that the "Propaganda" itself originally meant more like what we now call "public relations"; information that propagated a particular point of view,

It was Goebbels' Department of "Enlightenment and Propaganda" that started to lend it the negative connotation it has today

165 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:49:25pm

re: #144 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

I usually leave spelling errors alone, but for some reason I feel differently when it's a foreign language:

1) keine, not kiene
2) all nouns in German are capitalized, so Katzen and Führerprinzip

i gratefully accept your spelling corrections, but we feline engineers are against capitalization on principle

it's the katzenprinzip

166 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:50:21pm

re: #164 Expand Your Ground

Remember that the "Propaganda" itself originally meant more like what we now call "public relations"; information that propagated a particular point of view,

It was Goebbels' Department of "Enlightenment and Propaganda" that started to lend it the negative connotation it has today

Depending on whether you think Sacra Congregatio de Propaganda Fide has a negative connotation or not.

167 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:50:24pm

re: #155 Expand Your Ground

and "Prinzip" is neutral in gender, so it is "kein Führerprinzip"

as mark twain pointed out, only in german would a knife be feminine but a young woman be neuter

168 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:51:40pm

re: #165 engineer cat

i gratefully accept your spelling corrections, but we feline engineers are against capitalization on principle

it's the katzenprinzip

If e.e. cummings had written in German, he would have had a lot more work to do.

169 garhighway  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:51:49pm

re: #149 Fred Galt

I don't normally read The Economist, so I am unsure of their normal political leanings, but they really do put a whipping on Mitt, and in particular, on the "culture" comment. More from the article:

To make matters worse, Mr Romney got his numbers wrong. Per capita income in Israel is over $31,000; in the Palestinian territories it is closer to $1,500. Those aren't the kinds of numbers that divide industrious Protestants from happy-go-lucky Catholics. They're the kind of numbers that divide South Korea from Ghana. You don't get those kinds of divisions because of cultural differences.

The reason most Palestinians have low third-world income levels is that they are born into impoverished towns or refugee camps inside the gerrymandered Bantustans of the Palestinian Authority, where border crossings are controlled by Israeli military authorities, water sources are tapped to feed Jewish settlements, Israeli-built infrastructure bypasses them, the education system is funded by paltry international contributions and paltrier taxes, agricultural land is periodically taken by Jewish settlers whose illegal seizures are retroactively approved by the government, land values are undermined because of the overhanging threat of expropriation by Israel, and on and on through all the savage indignities and economic violence of a 50-year-long occupation by people whose ultimate goal is to force you off as much of the territory as possible. Obviously, gross corruption by Palestinian officials and counterproductive political and economic attitudes on the part of Palestinian citizens, mainly typical adaptive behaviours that any people tend to develop when they're confined to massive donor-supported detention zones, have made the situation much worse. Palestine was not going to be a wealthy nation under any circumstances. But without the occupation they might have been as wealthy as, say, Jordanians, who have a per capita income (purchasing-power-adjusted) of $6,000.

170 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:52:34pm

re: #167 engineer cat

as mark twain pointed out, only in german would a knife be feminine but a young woman be neuter

auch - mein deutsch ist schrecklich!

171 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:55:18pm

BTW, @ShitGermansSay has been one of my favorite follows of late.

172 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:55:20pm

re: #167 engineer cat

as mark twain pointed out, only in german would a knife be feminine but a young woman be neuter

knives are neuter, but turnips are feminine.

I once overheard a colleague talking on the phone "I found him this morning, he fell in the creek and was lying there all night"

When I asked who the poor fellow was who spent all night in the creek, she explained that she was talking about her house key, der Schlüssel, which is masculine

173 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:56:06pm

re: #164 Expand Your Ground

Characters like Edward Bernays who self-consciously used the term "propaganda" to describe his own corporate misinformation campaigns didn't really help either.

174 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:56:42pm

re: #171 wrenchwench

BTW, @ShitGermansSay has been one of my favorite follows of late.

[Embedded content]

This refers to a famous German comedy sketch in which a fellow is trying to propose marriage to a young woman with a noodle stuck to his face...

175 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:58:15pm

re: #174 Expand Your Ground

This refers to a famous German comedy sketch in which a fellow is trying to propose marriage to a young woman with a noodle stuck to his face...

I will never become multicultural enough to appreciate all the world's humor.

176 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:58:42pm

re: #172 Expand Your Ground

knives are neuter, but turnips are feminine.

I once overheard a colleague talking on the phone "I found him this morning, he fell in the creek and was lying there all night"

When I asked who the poor fellow was who spent all night in the creek, she explained that she was talking about her house key, der Schlüssel, which is masculine

In French that key would have been feminine: "I found her this morning . . . ."

177 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 1:59:25pm

re: #175 wrenchwench

I will never become multicultural enough to appreciate all the world's humor.

I have devoted a lot of time to studying German humor, but I do not have a microscope powerful enough...

178 dragonath  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 2:04:38pm

re: #169 garhighway

The Economist is more or less center-right. They're approcaching Palestine with a purely economic viewpoint which is pretty much verboten in Republican circles.

Speaking of which, I see Buck is hammering an dead thread about this very topic.

179 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 2:13:16pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

What difference does it make that a deeply red red state like Texas has voted for a Rightwing nut? Did Hutchison break ranks with other Republican Senators on key votes? From what I recall, she voted lockstep with other Republicans in blocking President Obama's agenda (or trying to block it), so I'm not sure why Cruz' election will be worse. I would be more upset if Cruz won in a Blue state and took over a seat previously held by a Democrat.

Because as the "default setting" gets moved farther and farther to the right, it makes it that much harder for anyone -- liberal, moderate, or conservative -- who's even 1% less crazy to get elected. I'm not a big fan of David Dewhurst, but the ads that were running against him by the Tea Party groups here in Texas made him sound like he was a cross between Michael Moore and Kim Jong Il.

People can get complacent about anything. I'd really rather not have an atmosphere were people just take it for granted that out & out lunatics are all we have to choose from in politics. Of course, the universe doesn't seem to be taking my preferences into account lately, regardless.

180 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 2:16:45pm

re: #158 Fred Galt

Somewhat related: Some German guy wrote a book right after the war that studied the way fascists used language to indoctrinate people. It's called "Lingua Tertii Imperii."

The current meme used by our fascists is, "All our politicians are stupid and evil." I hear it everywhere these days and no one questions it. It's now "everybody knows."

181 labman57  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 2:47:24pm

Three reasons why Texans tend to vote for mental midgets:

1) GW Bush
2) Rick Perry
and I forgot the third one ...

182 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 3:20:35pm

re: #13 aagcobb

What's amusing to me is that the GOP has created this monster which is now eating it. Dewhurst was the Republican in Texas, had the full support of the GOP establishment, and vastly more money than Cruz. He got painted as a RINO and devoured, because he just wasn't quite crazy enough.

Apparently the Texas Democrats can't find sane opponents for the general election? Or maybe it wouldn't matter since the GOP found a decent guy to run against Ron Paul in his primary and the decent guy got crushed, from what I can remember.

183 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 1, 2012 3:22:06pm

re: #135 Patricia Kayden

What difference does it make that a deeply red red state like Texas has voted for a Rightwing nut? Did Hutchison break ranks with other Republican Senators on key votes? From what I recall, she voted lockstep with other Republicans in blocking President Obama's agenda (or trying to block it), so I'm not sure why Cruz' election will be worse. I would be more upset if Cruz won in a Blue state and took over a seat previously held by a Democrat.

Hutchison was sane and really moderate for the current GOP. Cruz is a mouth-frothing loony who will make Rand Paul look like a true statesman. That's the problem.

184 tomg51spence  Thu, Aug 2, 2012 7:41:23am

re: #183 funky chicken

I disagreed with Hutchison on some things, the Law Of the Sea Treaty most recently. She did break ranks on that and some others did, also.


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