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Here’s an open thread for a lazy Saturday; I’ve been coding a rather lengthy bash shell script to manage our LGF Blog versioning system, but you don’t really want to know about that, do you?

Here’s some live jazz from Newport to help set that open thread mood.

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320 comments

1 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:48:43pm

but you don’t really want to know about that, do you?

But I do, I do,, I really really do!!!!


(although unless it comes illustrated, i mostly won't know what it is

And even IF it's illustrated, not so much anyway)

Bottom line,,, save yourself the trouble!!

/

2 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:52:46pm

baked stuffed tilapia with a fresh ear of corn and Stouffers Mac and Cheese side

(hey,,,, I have a micro-wave and a toaster oven here)

3 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:54:55pm
a rather lengthy bash shell script

Is that some kind of hatchling aid?

4 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:56:13pm

Be good sat or I'll start complaining about the LispM emulator I'm fighting with and
(unless (you like
(lisp) you won't)
like that)

///

5 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:56:43pm

re: #3 wrenchwench

Is that some kind of hatchling aid?

Boston's Hatch Shell

Image: hatch-shell-pc.jpg

6 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 2:57:23pm

re: #4 William Barnett-Lewis

Be good sat or I'll start complaining about the LispM emulator I'm fighting with and
(unless (you like
(lisp) you won't)
like that)

///

A little ketchup, a beer or two, I'll try it!

7 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:02:15pm

Cockneys vs. Zombies

8 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:04:24pm

re: #7 Killgore Trout

Cockneys vs. Zombies

[Embedded content]

I once dated a knock kneed Cockney, does that count?

9 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:05:25pm

We've all had this problem...

10 Mattand  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:13:39pm

From TPM:

Romney Falsely Accuses Obama Campaign Of Trying To Restrict Military Voting Rights

So, Obama wants to restrict the military's early voting rights by allowing all eligible voters in Ohio to have the same 3 day window.

Even Hot Air isn't buying this one.

I swear to God, I can't even begin to understand the Romney campaign's thought process. It really does seem like they are making shit up and are counting on people not to notice.

EDIT: Apparently Fox News is in on the act, surprise surprise.

11 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:14:36pm

re: #8 sattv4u2

I once dated a knock kneed Cockney, does that count?

It's just about the only English accent I can reliably recognize. When I used to make regular trips to London I'd practice my English accent in my hotel room in hopes of someday trying to pass myself off as a local, if even for only a sentence or two. I never got good enough to try it out in public.

12 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:15:09pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

We've all had this problem...

[Embedded content]

Been there, done that.

13 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:15:33pm

re: #12 b_sharp

Been there, done that.

They don't have shoe stores in Canada?

14 Amory Blaine  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:15:36pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

Now that's a problem we've all had.

15 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:16:04pm

re: #13 sattv4u2

They don't have shoe stores in Canada?

We sold them to the US.

16 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:17:23pm

re: #10 Mattand

I swear to God, I can't even begin to understand the Romney campaign's thought process. It really does seem like they are making shit up and are counting on people not to notice.

Ah, but you contradict yourself.

17 Mattand  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:18:44pm

re: #16 erik_t

Ah, but you contradict yourself.

There I go, using that un-American book larnin' again.

18 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:21:03pm

re: #10 Mattand

From TPM:

Romney Falsely Accuses Obama Campaign Of Trying To Restrict Military Voting Rights

So, Obama wants to restrict the military's early voting rights by allowing all eligible voters in Ohio to have the same 3 day window.

Even Hot Air isn't buying this one.

I swear to God, I can't even begin to understand the Romney campaign's thought process. It really does seem like they are making shit up and are counting on people not to notice.

EDIT: Apparently Fox News is in on the act, surprise surprise.

Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

19 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:22:38pm

re: #10 Mattand

I swear to God, I can't even begin to understand the Romney campaign's thought process. It really does seem like they are making shit up and are counting on people not to notice.

They're courting the Fox News/AM talk radio/RWNJ blog wormholes of total fail and idiocy. They don't expect anyone to notice they're full of shit, because the folks who rely on Fox and Limbaugh and Drudge for their news are too stupid to realize they're being manipulated into ignorant sheep.

Romney's strategy is simple -- keep the wingnuts who hate him focused on the fact that they hate Obama more so they'll go vote.

20 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:23:17pm

re: #19 Lidane

Romney's strategy is simple -- keep the wingnuts who hate him focused on the fact that they hate Obama more so they'll go vote.

Not exactly the sort of thing that broadens a base, but the GOP seems to have sworn that off years ago.

21 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:24:53pm

re: #19 Lidane

They're courting the Fox News/AM talk radio/RWNJ blog wormholes of total fail and idiocy. They don't expect anyone to notice they're full of shit, because the folks who rely on Fox and Limbaugh and Drudge for their news are too stupid to realize they're being manipulated into ignorant sheep.

Romney's strategy is simple -- keep the wingnuts who hate him focused on the fact that they hate Obama more so they'll go vote.

Pretty much. The Fox News vote is the one Romney is worried about, more than the indie one. He's already losing the latter, so if he loses the former, he's SOL.

22 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:25:39pm

re: #20 erik_t

Not exactly the sort of thing that broadens a base, but the GOP seems to have sworn that off years ago.

Romney's a shitty candidate and they know it. Keeping the base motivated and pissed off at Obama is what they need if they're going to have any hope in November.

23 Mattand  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:26:27pm

Here's a thought regarding Romney's VP pick: what if he goes with Ron Paul? It helps tamp down any rebellion, gives him a youth boost, and might even mollify some religious nut jobs (Paul is anti-abortion and doubts evolution, IIRC).

The idea is that it has Paul shooting out of the tent, rather than into it.

24 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:28:24pm

re: #23 Mattand

Here's a thought regarding Romney's VP pick: what if he goes with Ron Paul? It helps tamp down any rebellion, gives him a youth boost, and might even mollify some religious nut jobs (Paul is anti-abortion and doubts evolution, IIRC).

The idea is that it has Paul shooting out of the tent, rather than into it.

I would laugh if he got Ron Paul as his VP. It would be Perot choosing Admiral Stockdale all over again, only with more economic illiteracy and shitty ideas.

25 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:32:50pm

re: #23 Mattand

Romney might as well light his own ballot on fire.

26 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:34:22pm

re: #11 Killgore Trout

It's just about the only English accent I can reliably recognize. When I used to make regular trips to London I'd practice my English accent in my hotel room in hopes of someday trying to pass myself off as a local, if even for only a sentence or two. I never got good enough to try it out in public.

Marina Sirtis neutralized her Cockney twang quite a bit during her stint as Counselor Deanna Troi on Star Trek: The Next Generation; it's a hoot listening to her speak with her real accent.

27 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:36:21pm

re: #25 erik_t

Romney might as well light his own ballot on fire.

If His Mittness were on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to put the flames out.

28 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:36:29pm

re: #24 Lidane

I would laugh if he got Ron Paul as his VP. It would be Perot choosing Admiral Stockdale all over again, only with more economic illiteracy and shitty ideas.

I've come to the conclusion that, given how this country polarizes, the only thing a VP candidate can do is lose you an election. Nobody really gives a shit otherwise.

29 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:37:42pm

re: #24 Lidane

I would laugh if he got Ron Paul as his VP. It would be Perot choosing Admiral Stockdale all over again, only with more economic illiteracy and shitty ideas.

It would be worse: As a former naval officer Stockdale did know how to follow orders and be a team player. Ron Paul has never shown a willingness to march to the beat of anyone's drum save his own.

His son is a different story, though, and in many ways Rand Paul reminds me of Mitt Romney himself. Like Mitt, Laup Dnar was handed much of his "start" by his father and simply did not have to work for it as his old man did. As a result, both Rand and Mitt are better teams players than their fathers, but they both lack their father's originality.

30 Burbank_Ben  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:39:15pm

Romney Toons for your sharing pleasure:
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Image: w853mc.jpg

31 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:39:20pm

re: #29 Dark_Falcon

As a result, both Rand and Mitt are better teams players than their fathers, but they both lack their father's originality.

Romney's great at teamwork in the sense that he'll pander to the team's every whim in order to keep his Team Leader sash.

Is that what you meant?

32 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:40:39pm

re: #23 Mattand

Here's a thought regarding Romney's VP pick: what if he goes with Ron Paul? It helps tamp down any rebellion, gives him a youth boost, and might even mollify some religious nut jobs (Paul is anti-abortion and doubts evolution, IIRC).

The idea is that it has Paul shooting out of the tent, rather than into it.

I think you mean Rand

Ron is what ,, 100, 110 years old??

33 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:41:35pm

at this point i'm guessing rubio

mitt is losing and needs to shake up the game

34 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:42:02pm

re: #27 TedStriker

If His Mittness were on fire, I wouldn't piss on him to put the flames out.

I hope you're kidding. I'd surely help extinguish the fire on anyone who wasn't a mass/serial murderer or child molester, and I'd hope I'd act to save them even then. A criminal burning to death isn't justice: I'd want him to be returned to decent health so that he can be properly brought to trial, convicted, and then (if a murderer) hanged.

35 Mattand  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:42:23pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

I think you mean Rand

Ron is what ,, 100, 110 years old??

No, I meant that there's a lot of college students/young adults who are into Paul the Elder.

36 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:45:35pm

re: #35 Mattand

No, I meant that there's a lot of college age/young adults who are into Paul the Elder.

Ah, I see

Sorry

Interesting about Ron. He does attract the youth especially those that would normally lean left! I work very close to the Emory College (Atlanta) campus and every year it's chock full of Ron Paul bumper stickers and yard sings, the same bumpers and yards that have whatever local DEM politician is running at the time

37 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:45:50pm

BBL

38 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:48:11pm

I'm very excited.

39 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:48:34pm

re: #26 TedStriker

Marina Sirtis neutralized her Cockney twang quite a bit during her stint as Counselor Deanna Troi on Star Trek: The Next Generation; it's a hoot listening to her speak with her real accent.

i will willingly listen to anything marina sirtis has to say in any language or accent she wishes to use

especially if she wears her star trek outfit...

40 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:49:39pm

My neighbor caught the rainbow we had a few days ago. I only had to pester her a little to get her to post this on FB from whence I could steal it.

Image: 395842_4332650595151_1672637998_n.jpg

Then the moon appeared, and the rain turned into a golden curtain:

Image: 432001_4332650915159_69687915_n.jpg

41 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:50:07pm

bash shell script

og bash shells

BASH BASH BASH

og run all og apps in ognix

42 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:50:12pm

re: #38 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

I'm very excited.

The invasion continues forward. Soon, the Red Planet shall be ours.

43 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:50:48pm

re: #36 sattv4u2

Ah, I see

Sorry

Interesting about Ron. He does attract the youth especially those that would normally lean left! I work very close to the Emory College (Atlanta) campus and every year it's chock full of Ron Paul bumper stickers and yard sings, the same bumpers and yards that have whatever local DEM politician is running at the time

It's not really all that interesting. It's just WARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOT. He's a great 10-second soundbite to a young adult, and that's about as much time as a lot of them care to take to learn about a politician.

(not that this makes them any different than any other demographic, they just have different key words)

44 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:51:49pm

re: #25 erik_t

Romney might as well light his own ballot on fire.

And get his hands dirty? He'd outsource setting his ballot on fire.

45 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:51:53pm

re: #34 Dark_Falcon

I hope you're kidding. I'd surely help extinguish the fire on anyone who wasn't a mass/serial murderer or child molester, and I'd hope I'd act to save them even then. A criminal burning to death isn't justice: I'd want him to be returned to decent health so that he can be properly brought to trial, convicted, and then (if a murderer) hanged.

I didn't think I needed a sarc tag on that, but, then again, not everyone is familiar with some Southern aphorisms.

I was not being literal...

46 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:52:35pm

re: #43 erik_t

It's not really all that interesting. It's just WARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOT. He's a great 10-second soundbite to a young adult, and that's about as much time as a lot of them care to take to learn about a politician.

(not that this makes them any different than any other demographic, they just have different key words)

Pierce has said that Paul, and libertarians in general, are subject to the "5 minute rule," namely that they can make a lot of sense for roughly 5 minutes. But as soon as 5:00:01 rolls around, they say something about the gold standard or auditing the Fed and you get the urge to put as much distance between you and them as possible.

47 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:52:56pm

re: #44 Lidane

And get his hands dirty? He'd outsource setting his ballot on fire.

BUT NOT OFFSHORE IT

THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT YOU GUYS

48 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:54:27pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

I think you mean Rand

Ron is what ,, 100, 110 years old??

And he somehow manages to appeal to the idiot stoners and college kids who think he's pro-freedom and anti-war.

49 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:54:59pm

re: #48 Lidane

And he somehow manages to appeal to the idiot stoners and college kids who think he's pro-freedom and anti-war.

Maybe they think he's just an easy mark to score a pizza off of!

50 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:55:07pm

re: #33 engineer cat

at this point i'm guessing rubio

mitt is losing and needs to shake up the game

It won't be Rubio without getting the birther morons raging. WND and the rest of the birther loons are convinced Rubio isn't a citizen either.

51 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 3:56:59pm

re: #48 Lidane

And he somehow manages to appeal to the idiot stoners and college kids who think he's pro-freedom and anti-war.

Shit Ron Paul supporters say:

52 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:00:20pm

re: #43 erik_t

It's not really all that interesting

It actually is, seeing his age and party affiliation
No doubt, they are absolutely enamored with the WARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOTWARPOT screed but it's still fascinating in light of the other two glaring "negatives"

53 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:02:47pm

Ron Paul's youth appeal is an interesting phenomenon. I think much of the appeal is that he's something different, a little unique. Lefty's have had a stranglehold on youth appeal for quite some time. Musicians and movie stars help keep that advantage by making it "cool". Old school, fat, white conservatives are unappealing to kids but, as Ron Paul demonstrates, you can tweak the message, repackage it, and it can appeal to younger people.

54 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:03:40pm

re: #47 erik_t

BUT NOT OFFSHORE IT

THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT YOU GUYS

Well, technically, outsourcing and offshoring ARE different. I did my undergrad thesis on them.

Outsourcing = sending jobs elsewhere. Offshoring = physically moving the whole damn company elsewhere.

55 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:08:02pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Ron Paul's youth appeal is an interesting phenomenon. I think much of the appeal is that he's something different, a little unique.

Not really. He says a lot of pro-drug legalization/pro-weed stuff and has been openly anti-war for ages. He says enough of it to get people to believe what he says so they don't notice he's a raving lunatic theocrat underneath all the blather about "liberty".

56 Etaoin Shrdlu  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:10:44pm

ksh > bash

57 dragonfire1981  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:10:52pm

This one is for you Charles:

*catchy intro with LGF related clips*

He once spent 29 hours on right wing sites in a single day...
He posted 157 comments in the time it took you to read this...
He's such a force online, Google recently bought stock in him.

He is the most interesting blogger in the world.

"I don't always crush the spirits of Right wingers, but when I do, I prefer it to be Pam Geller. Stay sane, my friends."

58 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:12:52pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

My neighbor caught the rainbow we had a few days ago. I only had to pester her a little to get her to post this on FB from whence I could steal it.

Image: 395842_4332650595151_1672637998_n.jpg

Then the moon appeared, and the rain turned into a golden curtain:

Image: 432001_4332650915159_69687915_n.jpg

Nice. I caught one recently that was a double rainbow, a splash of blue sky and multiple lightning streamers under the rainbow.

(Too big to upload and I don't have the patience to figure out something that should be so simple)

59 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:16:38pm

re: #58 Achilles Tang

Too big to upload

Braggart!!

/

60 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:18:06pm

re: #58 Achilles Tang

(Too big to upload and I don't have the patience to figure out something that should be so simple)

[Link: www.shrinkpictures.com...] (no software needed - this site will resize the pic for you. Original file size limit 6 MB, which is hopefully enough)

61 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:24:45pm
62 William of Orange  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:29:51pm

I think we all need some feel-good material now and then.

Awwww..! This will make your heart melt. Small children meeting a real life Wall-E.


Wall-E's meeting with a Dalek is mindboggling! Who said time travel is impossible??

63 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:35:04pm

re: #62 William of Orange

I think we all need some feel-good material now and then.

Awwww..! This will make your heart melt. Small children meeting a real life Wall-E.

[Embedded content]

"A tragic story tonight, Stacey. A robot short circuited today at a children's expo. The Robot started shooting electric pulses out of it's eye sockets severely burning two of the techs that made it. Fortunately the kids thought it was all part of the show and cheered wildly as the techs ran from the room, hair on fire!"

64 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:35:09pm
65 Kragar  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:35:28pm

Well, used my swap meet cash to take the kids out to lunch, hit the bookstore and buy some stuff for the wife. Not a bad day.

66 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:37:04pm
67 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:37:47pm

re: #65 Kragar

Well, used my swap meet cash to take the kids out to lunch, hit the bookstore and buy some stuff for the wife. Not a bad day.

Did you go to Sports Arena? Haven't been there for years!

68 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:38:37pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Interesting post: How to document harassment and cyberstalking on Twitter.

So, you document it, save it, and then OFF TO THE GULAG!!!

/right?

69 Kragar  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:39:15pm

re: #67 Stanley Sea

Did you go to Sports Arena? Haven't been there for years!

Nope. We went to Fuddruckers.

70 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:50:36pm

re: #69 Kragar

Nope. We went to Fuddruckers.

They have a deal on the weekends? Interesting. I just had the shittiest garage sale ever. Free great stuff people. Thanks for the dollar.

71 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:52:25pm

re: #68 wrenchwench

So, you document it, save it, and then OFF TO THE GULAG!!!

/right?

Of course. Moo hahaha.

I actually had a look at that Twitter thread for the first time in a while, and it's still going strong.

One of them was celebrating his liberation from #TwitterGulag and I couldn't resist checking what he was tweeting right before getting suspended, because he said it was because he was "arguing the conservative viewpoint."

He was tweeting links to Birther sites among other noxious stuff. I have no idea who reported this loser, but once again he had only himself to blame for acting crazy in public. Every time I've looked at one of these it's the same thing. They were insulting people, acting crude and crass, spouting conspiracy theories and bigotry, etc.

72 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 4:59:48pm
73 allegro  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:15:04pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

They have a deal on the weekends? Interesting. I just had the shittiest garage sale ever. Free great stuff people. Thanks for the dollar.

At my last garage sale a couple came in driving a big, new model SUV. They looked around for a while before paying $2 for a lead crystal ashtray. My friend who was there helping and I dropped our jaws when they came back later saying there was a teeny chip at the bottom of it, wanting to return it and get their $2 back! I did it saying "gee, I didn't know I needed a no return policy for a freaking garage sale!"

74 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:17:57pm

re: #73 allegro

At my last garage sale a couple came in driving a big, new model SUV. They looked around for a while before paying $2 for a lead crystal ashtray. My friend who was there helping and I dropped our jaws when they came back later saying there was a teeny chip at the bottom of it, wanting to return it and get their $2 back! I did it saying "gee, I didn't know I needed a no return policy for a freaking garage sale!"

Me, I would have handed them back their $2 and told them to keep the ashtray!

75 allegro  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:19:01pm

re: #74 sattv4u2

Me, I would have handed them back their $2 and told them to keep the ashtray!

Naw, I sold it for $3, 15 minutes later. I wanted the new owner to really appreciate it. LOL

76 dragonfire1981  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:33:32pm

Thoughts on this picture?

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:34:34pm

re: #76 dragonfire1981

Thoughts on this picture?

My MIL sent to me, or something quite similar, a couple of months ago.

Still bullshit of the first water.

78 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:34:34pm

re: #40 wrenchwench

My neighbor caught the rainbow we had a few days ago. I only had to pester her a little to get her to post this on FB from whence I could steal it.

Image: 395842_4332650595151_1672637998_n.jpg

Then the moon appeared, and the rain turned into a golden curtain:

Image: 432001_4332650915159_69687915_n.jpg

Here's mine. This should be simpler to set file size. I would have thought the one who sets the limit, aka Charles, could take almost any file size and just resize it after received, but what do I know?

Summer Storm

79 Gus  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:35:03pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Of course. Moo hahaha.

I actually had a look at that Twitter thread for the first time in a while, and it's still going strong.

One of them was celebrating his liberation from #TwitterGulag and I couldn't resist checking what he was tweeting right before getting suspended, because he said it was because he was "arguing the conservative viewpoint."

He was tweeting links to Birther sites among other noxious stuff. I have no idea who reported this loser, but once again he had only himself to blame for acting crazy in public. Every time I've looked at one of these it's the same thing. They were insulting people, acting crude and crass, spouting conspiracy theories and bigotry, etc.

They are a very "committed" group and bring internet addictions to a whole new level. I haven't looked at any of this stuff for close to a month. Maybe over a month. It's weird. They're weird. Don't need it.

80 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:38:13pm

re: #76 dragonfire1981

Thoughts on this picture?

You really have some weapons-grade derp that appears in your facebook newsfeed. Seriously, the depth of the dumbth* is depressing.

*Not a real word, but it should be.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:38:28pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

My MIL sent to me, or something quite similar, a couple of months ago.

Still bullshit of the first water.

Specifically, school do not prohibit the reading of Bible within their walls. Kids can have Bibles, and study them in their leisure time. Many public schools in this country have prayer circles, Christian clubs, Bible studies, etc., which meet formally or informally during school hours. The school may not impose religious practices on a child, but it does not prevent the child from religious practices.

I am less familiar with the prison system, but I believe the situation is actually quite similar. Prisoners may have Bibles, study them, and meet with others to discuss them. Prisons do not, to the best of my knowledge, impose Bible reading or group prayer upon prisoners who aren't interested.

82 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:39:30pm

re: #78 Achilles Tang

Here's mine. This should be simpler to set file size. I would have thought the one who sets the limit, aka Charles, could take almost any file size and just resize it after received, but what do I know?

Summer Storm

That's spectacular!

83 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:40:05pm

re: #79 Gus

They are a very "committed" group and bring internet addictions to a whole new level. I haven't looked at any of this stuff for close to a month. Maybe over a month. It's weird. They're weird. Don't need it.

Well, they should be committed.

84 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:43:17pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

Specifically, school do not prohibit the reading of Bible within their walls. Kids can have Bibles, and study them in their leisure time. Many public schools in this country have prayer circles, Christian clubs, Bible studies, etc., which meet formally or informally during school hours. The school may not impose religious practices on a child, but it does not prevent the child from religious practices.

I am less familiar with the prison system, but I believe the situation is actually quite similar. Prisoners may have Bibles, study them, and meet with others to discuss them. Prisons do not, to the best of my knowledge, impose Bible reading or group prayer upon prisoners who aren't interested.

An article with some good examples of Christian groups in public schools--in Godless NYC.

85 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:43:35pm

re: #76 dragonfire1981

Thoughts on this picture?

It's part of that whole "victim" shtick they love to play since not 100% believe exactly as they do and won't allow them to impose their idea of a theocracy on the rest of us.

IOW the same attitude that lead the puritans to colonize Massachusetts because they weren't allowed to create a theocracy in Britain.

86 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:45:32pm

re: #71 Charles Johnson

Of course. Moo hahaha.

I actually had a look at that Twitter thread for the first time in a while, and it's still going strong.

One of them was celebrating his liberation from #TwitterGulag and I couldn't resist checking what he was tweeting right before getting suspended, because he said it was because he was "arguing the conservative viewpoint."

He was tweeting links to Birther sites among other noxious stuff. I have no idea who reported this loser, but once again he had only himself to blame for acting crazy in public. Every time I've looked at one of these it's the same thing. They were insulting people, acting crude and crass, spouting conspiracy theories and bigotry, etc.

Quoted for Truth. Abusive Assholes claiming they're the victim drives me up a wall. I'd prefer the idea of reserving 'victim status' for the relatively few people who really are victims in a significant sense. But if the only thing making you a 'victim' is the fact that other people think you're being an ass, then my reply to you is this:

87 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:46:17pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

My MIL sent to me, or something quite similar, a couple of months ago.

Still bullshit of the first water.

Quite Concur.

88 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:47:25pm

re: #81 SanFranciscoZionist

There have however been special programs in prisons that offer special incentives but require participation in religious rituals to qualify. Usually they get sued eventually, and just as regularly they try again.

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:49:56pm

re: #88 Achilles Tang

There have however been special programs in prisons that offer special incentives but require participation in religious rituals to qualify. Usually they get sued eventually, and just as regularly they try again.

True, and there are some fuzzy lines between Christian private and charter in some parts of the country.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

But overall...

90 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:51:34pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

True, and there are some fuzzy lines between Christian private and charter in some parts of the country.

Not just Christian, a few scientology cases here in FL too.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:52:17pm

re: #90 Achilles Tang

Not just Christian, a few scientology cases here in FL too.

For reals? Wow.

92 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:53:30pm

re: #86 Dark_Falcon

Quoted for Truth. Abusive Assholes claiming they're the victim drives me up a wall.

Wake up. This is exactly what your party does with regards to gay marriage. From the 2012 Illinois Republican Party Platform.

C. not universally achievable, the ideal, best environment for children is within a two‐parent family based on the principle of marriage between one man and one woman. The Republican Party endorses a constitutional amendment protecting our Defense of Marriage Act and enshrining in constitutional law marriage as it is defined in our “DOMA.”

D. Our laws should strongly support and celebrate the loving commitment a man and a woman make to each other in marriage. Our laws should strongly support and celebrate a loving, married couple bringing new life into the world and rearing their children in a secure and nurturing environment from conception to adulthood. No law should undermine the importance of that union, divide that union nor unduly burden the efforts of parents to rear a family in a safe and nurturing environment.

You happily belong to a party of greasy, abusive, whining assholes, who are attempting to cast themselves as the victims of other people's mere attempts to attain equal status.

93 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:53:56pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

For reals? Wow.

Scientology pretty much does whatever they like in and around Clearwater.

94 Achilles Tang  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:54:34pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

For reals? Wow.

Well at least one just recently. They tried to sneak it in, collected a few hundred K, but the school failed and was closed.

95 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 5:56:11pm

re: #94 Achilles Tang

Well at least one just recently. They tried to sneak it in, collected a few hundred K, but the school failed and was closed.

That happens. Charter schools are worse than restaurants for closing after a year or so.

96 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:00:34pm

And a story, which I always tell when Bibles in schools come up:

I was a student teacher, teaching a remedial reading class to a bunch of high school students. I confiscated the book that a student was ignoring my class to read under the table with another kid, and discovered, after confiscating, that it was the King James Bible.

I told them, when I returned it, that I appreciated their taste in translations, but to pay attention in class.

Later, in my teaching credential course, I told this story to a classmate, who asked, "Well, what was in the Bible?"

I said "The Word of GOD, Jen."

She said, "Wait, it was an actual Bible? I thought they had, like porn hidden inside or something."

97 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:01:29pm

re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist

That happens. Charter schools are worse than restaurants for closing after a year or so.

Yeah, but restaurants don't make off with many thousands of taxpayer dollars in the process.

98 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:01:48pm
99 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:02:21pm

Previewing Tweets is now awesome.

100 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:02:57pm

I see Ms. Liquid Reality made it on the Reuters news wire:

Sweden "counter-jihad" rally outnumbered by anti-racists

A Stockholm rally by European and U.S. far-right groups seeking to create a global "counter-jihad" movement attracted fewer than 200 people on Saturday who were outnumbered by anti-racist protesters.

Police said the rival demonstration was kept apart from the far-right rally and drew a few hundred people, a small number of whom were detained.

The far-right rally was organized by groups including the English Defence League (EDL) which has been a driving force behind a handful of similar events, most recently a Danish rally in March.

[...]

Pamela Geller, a leader of groups Stop Islamization of Nations and Stop Islamization of America, said the movement was planning to hold a conference in New York on September 11.

"It's very important that it goes global because what we are fighting is a global ideology," she said.

101 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:03:22pm

re: #98 wrenchwench

I think moving to an undisclosed location might be sending mixed messages on a GOP VP nomination...

102 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:03:25pm

I had to do it again.

103 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:04:22pm

re: #101 erik_t

I think moving to an undisclosed location might be sending mixed messages on a GOP VP nomination...

Heh.

The Cheney credential.

104 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:05:06pm

Tomorrow is the big day for Curiosity. The BBC put up a documentary last week looking at the details of the landing problems - they are good for that, still.

105 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:08:11pm

See, even he knows it's an oxymoron:

Cruz laughs at 'tea party intellectual' label

106 Kragar  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:08:14pm

re: #76 dragonfire1981

Thoughts on this picture?

The guys in prison would be better off with more educational books than nonsense.

107 dragonath  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:08:16pm

Tennessee Democrats Disavow Their Senate Candidate

Tennessee Democrats distanced themselves from Mark Clayton (D) after he won the state's Democratic nomination for U.S. Senate saying he's part of an anti-gay hate group, the Tennessean reports.

The party said that it would do nothing to help Clayton who handily won the right to challenge Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN) in November.

and from Reuters...

Democratic party spokesman Sean Braisted said that Clayton is "a perennial candidate" who was on the primary ballot in 2008, "didn't do anything... so he filed again."

Braisted said Clayton is vice president of a hate group called Public Advocate of the United States.

Public Advocate is labeled as a "gay-bashing group" in a July post on the web site of the Southern Poverty Law Center.

108 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:08:31pm

re: #104 freetoken

Tomorrow is the big day for Curiosity. The BBC put up a documentary last week looking at the details of the landing problems - they are good for that, still.

Very much looking forward to it, but not at all happy that there is little to no chance of learning the fate of Curiosity before bedtime.

109 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:08:46pm

re: #76 dragonfire1981

Thoughts on this picture?

The co-opting of certain words by the far right is a little distressing, but it's also useful. Even without delving too deeply, you can safely make certain assumptions about groups that call themselves Liberty This, and Family That, Concerned Citizen Something, and Patriot What-Not.

A few misguided municipalities tried to ban "Truck Nutz" under local obscenity ordinances a while back. I'm all in favor for Truck Nutz. By all means, fly a Confederate battle flag outside your diner. Get a tattoo of Sean Hannity. These things serve as helpful early warning signals, and prevent me from learning about you the hard way.

110 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:10:09pm

re: #107 Fred Galt

That group are also psuedo-birthers. They have a post up that while accepting the Hawaii certificate on face value, claim that the President's real name is "Soetero", and thus Obama is not legally the President because he assumed office under a false identity.

Really.

111 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:10:46pm

re: #90 Achilles Tang

Not just Christian, a few scientology cases here in FL too.

Clearwater is more or less the WHQ of Scientology, as I understand it. Stepford has nothing on Clearwater.

112 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:13:16pm

re: #110 freetoken

That group are also psuedo-birthers. They have a post up that while accepting the Hawaii certificate on face value, claim that the President's real name is "Soetero", and thus Obama is not legally the President because he assumed office under a false identity.

Really.

.........

113 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:13:47pm

Later, lizards.

114 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:15:19pm

re: #106 Kragar

The guys in prison would be better off with more educational books than nonsense.

With no comment on that from the religious girl, I will just mention that I read a hilarious story from a guy on Slacktivist, who apparently once ended up in jail for some days in a town where the jail library was donated--and all they had were the "Left Behind" books. He says he's never been in trouble since. He was afraid they would make him finish the series.

Compare this to a good translation of the actual Bible, and I think we can agree on what's better for the brain...

115 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:16:22pm

Here it is:

BBC Horizon: Mission to Mars (HD)

BBC hasn't had Youtube yank it yet.

116 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:16:30pm

re: #110 freetoken

That group are also psuedo-birthers. They have a post up that while accepting the Hawaii certificate on face value, claim that the President's real name is "Soetero", and thus Obama is not legally the President because he assumed office under a false identity.

Really.

Well, I say that Mitt Romney's real name is Certitude Napkin, and no one can prove me wrong!

(Do they have documentation for this claim, or is it good enough that his mother was once married to Mr. Soetoro?)

117 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:16:35pm

re: #104 freetoken

Tomorrow is the big day for Curiosity. The BBC put up a documentary last week looking at the details of the landing problems - they are good for that, still.

Curiosity and the two previous rovers are the kind of projects NASA should be focusing on. The whole Orion project and the idea of sending people to Mars is kind of insane, means they'll be slow roasted by radiation for months on end and offers little in the way of discovery that the automated missions aren't' already doing.

If we want to think about the next step for manned exploration then realistically it's going to take a decade or two of prep work. The ideal next step would be to launch bots to the moon designed to dig in deep and create a base designed for long term habitation.

118 bratwurst  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:16:47pm

re: #109 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

TBy all means, fly a Confederate battle flag outside your diner. Get a tattoo of Sean Hannity.

Funny you mention that last part, was just about to go to the tattoo parlor with this:

Image: Twitter-Army.jpg

119 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:17:26pm

re: #117 goddamnedfrank

If we want to think about the next step for manned exploration then realistically it's going to take a decade or two of prep work. The ideal next step would be to launch bots to the moon designed to dig in deep and create a base designed for long term habitation.

CEV Orion CCDev is the decade or two of prep work.

120 Kragar  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:20:14pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

With no comment on that from the religious girl, I will just mention that I read a hilarious story from a guy on Slacktivist, who apparently once ended up in jail for some days in a town where the jail library was donated--and all they had were the "Left Behind" books. He says he's never been in trouble since. He was afraid they would make him finish the series.

Compare this to a good translation of the actual Bible, and I think we can agree on what's better for the brain...

With today's private prison system being all about maximizing profit, I doubt if accurate religious material rates high on the list.

121 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:20:32pm

re: #116 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I say that Mitt Romney's real name is Certitude Napkin, and no one can prove me wrong!

(Do they have documentation for this claim, or is it good enough that his mother was once married to Mr. Soetoro?)

They claim that the cert says "Soetoro", and therefore the President's real name is "Soetoro".

[Link: www.publicadvocateusa.org...]

122 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:21:37pm

re: #107 Fred Galt

Tennessee Democrats Disavow Their Senate Candidate

and from Reuters...

How did he win the nomination? Did someone launch a successful "Operation: Chaos" variant?

123 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:22:30pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

How did he win the nomination? Did someone launch a successful "Operation: Chaos" variant?

There was a crowded field of nobodys... and he got a plurality.

124 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:24:02pm

re: #120 Kragar

With today's private prison system being all about maximizing profit, I doubt if accurate religious material rates high on the list.

Most jails, however, are not private. Jails are short-to-medium term holding facilities, and don't make sense to privatize.

125 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:25:24pm

re: #123 freetoken

There was a crowded field of nobodys... and he got a plurality.

Happens. That leaves the Dems of Tennessee with their own version of "Vote for the Crook", since that guy seems to be a serious hater.

126 Gus  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:27:30pm

re: #105 freetoken

See, even he knows it's an oxymoron:

Cruz laughs at 'tea party intellectual' label

Ted Cruz: bringing back the word "respect" to the Republican Party.

//

127 Gus  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:31:59pm

re: #118 bratwurst

Funny you mention that last part, was just about to go to the tattoo parlor with this:

Image: Twitter-Army.jpg

Oy.

There they go again with the cowboys and Indian. Playing fort, playing army, whatever it might be. But they're always seeing themselves in military costume.

128 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:32:50pm

how about some Cute? I've found a cat and kitten video with an amusing additional animal, one not normally seen in a home:

129 dragonath  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:35:10pm

Ok, this is crazy. From the same primary election:

NRA Sparks Backlash From Local Members After Involvement In Tennessee Election

Maggart incurred the gun group's wrath when she refused to push through a bill that would allow workers to keep firearms in their cars on company property. The Tennessee Chamber of Commerce lobbied heavily against the bill, as it would have taken away the ability of employers to keep guns off their property if they so wished. Opponents further worried about having guns near businesses and schools, while supporters called it the "Safe Commute Act."

The "Safe Commute Act"

Hahaha

omg

130 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:35:49pm

re: #76 dragonfire1981

Thoughts on this picture?

No rehab for prisioners. EVER. What a fucked up society. They're pissed that prisioners are getting JESUS? Fucked up.

131 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:35:50pm

re: #128 Dark_Falcon

how about some Cute? I've found a cat and kitten video with an amusing additional animal, one not normally seen in a home:

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Friend of mine years ago had a pet skunk (de-scented)

My friend used to take it for walks down Broadway in our hometown. The skunk on a leash, my friend would walk behind it with a clothespin on his nose

The looks on peoples faces,, PRICELESS!!

132 Gus  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:35:58pm

re: #129 Fred Galt

Ok, this is crazy. From the same primary election:

NRA Sparks Backlash From Local Members After Involvement In Tennessee Election

The "Safe Commute Act"

Hahaha

omg

133 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:37:16pm

re: #126 Gus

Ted Cruz: bringing back the word "respect" to the Republican Party.

//

Here's Ted Cruz reiterating his vow to vote against increasing the debt ceiling. The full faith and credit of the United States? Fuck it. Dude is a completely irresponsible nutjob. Also, the questioner completely lies about the text explaining Standard and Poor's decision to downgrade the US debt. He says they blamed both sides of Congress when they specifically cited the Republican intransigence against increasing taxes as the cause for the downgrade.

134 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:38:16pm
135 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:38:53pm

re: #129 Fred Galt

Ok, this is crazy. From the same primary election:

The "Safe Commute Act"

Hahaha

omg

Things the "Safe Commute Act" does not cover:

* increased funding for emergency services
* replacement of crumbling bridges and other infrastructure
* tighter regulation to keep borderline-unsafe drivers off of the roads
* increased safety standards for automobiles
* increased funding for public transportation

136 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:39:47pm

re: #129 Fred Galt

Ok, this is crazy. From the same primary election:

NRA Sparks Backlash From Local Members After Involvement In Tennessee Election

The "Safe Commute Act"

Hahaha

omg

I've told this story before... but here goes:

Some years ago I was over-wintering in Scottsdale, and one day driving around Phoenix on the freeway the traffic was a mess at mid-day - not rush hour - with the fast lanes creeping along. As I passed the front of the pack via the right lane, I see an old car at the front progressing intentionally slowly, the car immediately behind it honking it's horn wildly, and the guy in the front car kept turning around to look at the guy in the back... all the time wildly waving at the rear driver what looked like a short-barrel shotgun,

Safe commuting - indeed.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:42:09pm

re: #129 Fred Galt

Ok, this is crazy. From the same primary election:

NRA Sparks Backlash From Local Members After Involvement In Tennessee Election

The "Safe Commute Act"

Hahaha

omg

I actually don't think some people having the gun in their car should be a problem. But I'm not the one who'd have to pay out the wrongful death suit, either. It's the company's property, so they make the rules on what you can bring onto the property.

138 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:44:12pm
Romney urges Federal Reserve not to enact new stimulus measures

WASHINGTON — Mitt Romney says the Federal Reserve shouldn’t use new stimulus measures to boost the still-sluggish economy.

The Republican presidential hopeful says he doesn’t think another round of stimulus would help the economy, arguing that previous measures didn’t work.

Romney tells CNN’s “State of the Union” in an interview scheduled to air Sunday morning that business incentives are preferable to more government intervention. [...]

139 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:44:30pm

re: #132 Gus

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Mandatory reply:

140 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:45:41pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Romney tells CNN’s “State of the Union” in an interview scheduled to air Sunday morning that business incentives are preferable to more government intervention. [...]

These are rumored to include holding a unicorn-hair wand and chanting 'INCENTIVIZE!' in the direction of the nearest Chamber of Commerce.

141 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:46:02pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

I'm wondering if he'll go full Bachmann and start to publicly question if the Fed has the Constitutional right to do such?

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:49:21pm

re: #121 freetoken

They claim that the cert says "Soetoro", and therefore the President's real name is "Soetoro".

[Link: www.publicadvocateusa.org...]

OK, now I'm BAFFLED.

The birth certificate doesn't say Soetoro.

Ann Dunham didn't marry Soetoro until 1965. Why on earth would her son by her first marriage be BORN Soetoro?

WTF are they talking about?

143 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:50:13pm

Yes it's entirely baseless and massively dickish but I'm going to say it anyway: Ted Cruz has the same meticulous, pudgy look, fucked up mannerisms and fanatical hatred of homosexuality as Marcus Bachmann, so much so that it would come as no surprise to learn he sucks cock anonymously at highway rest stops.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:51:04pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Yes it's entirely baseless and massively dickish but I'm going to say it anyway: Ted Cruz has the same meticulous, pudgy look, fucked up mannerisms and fanatical hatred of homosexuality as Marcus Bachmann, so much so that it would come as no surprise to learn he sucks cock anonymously at highway rest stops.

Yeah, I don't think we need to go there.

145 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:51:25pm

Let �� be the unit of crazy, in Bachmanns.

The soon to not be congresswoman is = to 1�� .

When he was a governor, Romney was say a .01�� .

In 2008 Mitt had to tack a bit into the crazy wind, and moved to say a .05�� .

Now, it looks like Mitt is up to a .2�� .

It's possible in the convention speech he'll have to go up to a .5�� to get the crowd really cheering.

146 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:51:29pm

In case anyone's interested, Fallout: New Vegas plus all the DLC content is on sale for $10.19 on Steam for the next ~15 hours.

147 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:51:32pm

re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, now I'm BAFFLED.

The birth certificate doesn't say Soetoro.

Ann Dunham didn't marry Soetoro until 1965. Why on earth would her son by her first marriage be BORN Soetoro?

WTF are they talking about?

Retroactive child-futurenaming. It is now was all the rage in the 1960s.

148 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:52:52pm

re: #104 freetoken

Tomorrow is the big day for Curiosity. The BBC put up a documentary last week looking at the details of the landing problems - they are good for that, still.

very exciting.

149 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:53:10pm

re: #146 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

In case anyone's interested, Fallout: New Vegas plus all the DLC content is on sale for $10.19 on Steam for the next ~15 hours.

...

*looks to the heavens* Why must you test me?!

150 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:54:31pm

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

151 Kragar  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:54:36pm

re: #146 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

In case anyone's interested, Fallout: New Vegas plus all the DLC content is on sale for $10.19 on Steam for the next ~15 hours.

Hehe, I just started playing again this afternoon

152 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:54:45pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

That was rotten, Frank.

153 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:54:56pm

re: #145 freetoken

Let �� be the unit of crazy, in Bachmanns.

The soon to not be congresswoman is = to 1�� .

When he was a governor, Romney was say a .01�� .

In 2008 Mitt had to tack a bit into the crazy wind, and moved to say a .05�� .

Now, it looks like Mitt is up to a .2�� .

It's possible in the convention speech he'll have to go up to a .5�� to get the crowd really cheering.

I say we start a pool on what the �� rating on Mitt's veep pick will be.

154 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:55:11pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Let 'er fail!

155 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:55:25pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I don't think we need to go there.

Yet I went anyway.

When the mayor of a city chooses twice to march in a parade celebrating gay pride, that’s a statement,” former Texas Solicitor General Ted Cruz said during a crowded debate at the Dallas Country Club. “It’s not a statement I believe in.”

Yeah, how dare a mayor march in a Pride parade, LOL.

We want those deviants back in the closet where they belong.

156 Gus  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:55:33pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Mandatory reply:

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In Birmingham, they love the governor...

BOO, BOO, BOO!

157 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:55:57pm

re: #156 Gus

In Birmingham, they love the governor...

BOO, BOO, BOO!

Now we all did what we could do.

158 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:56:06pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

Let 'er fail!

Managed bankruptcy!

If the Fed acts and it works, dollars to donuts Mitt's next ad will talk about all of the nation-size pawn shop owners that had to close.

159 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:56:18pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

hahahahhahahah

160 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:56:28pm

re: #153 Mocking Jay

I'd suppose the VP pick will have to be at least .4 Bachmanns in order to be acceptable to base.

161 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:56:33pm

re: #150 sattv4u2

And on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

Avoid the rest stops.

162 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:56:38pm

Greetings from the Ozarks..
Drove through an area of Oklahoma this morning that was burnt to the ground. Black soil and trees as far as the eye could see.

163 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:57:22pm

re: #160 freetoken

I'd suppose the VP pick will have to be at least .4 Bachmanns in order to be acceptable to base.

And Christian. Don't forget that.

164 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:58:15pm

re: #138 CuriousLurker

Romney also doubled down on his vow to create 12 million new jobs during his first term, calling that goal realistic and achievable.

Yeah, and I promise to build a stairway to heaven if elected Pope. We'll see which happens first.

/

165 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:58:40pm

re: #162 Digital Display

Greetings from the Ozarks..
Drove through an area of Oklahoma this morning that was burnt to the ground. Black soil and trees as far as the eye could see.

How's your kid handling the trip? You know who I mean.

166 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 6:59:11pm

re: #140 erik_t

These are rumored to include holding a unicorn-hair wand and chanting 'INCENTIVIZE!' in the direction of the nearest Chamber of Commerce.

Were you born yesterday? Only Barack Obama uses unicorn related items!

/Entirely kidding, with a nod to old-school LGF.

167 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:00:25pm

I think the VP pick will be irrelevant to this election, and the only way a VP pick can have any real impact is when the choice is particularly Palin poor.

168 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:01:59pm

re: #167 freetoken

I think the VP pick will be irrelevant to this election, and the only way a VP pick can have any real impact is when the choice is particularly Palin poor.

Agreed. VP picks are deliberately overblown by the media to sell newspapers, magazines, and advertising space.

169 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:02:39pm

re: #167 freetoken

I think the VP pick will be irrelevant to this election, and the only way a VP pick can have any real impact is when the choice is particularly Palin poor.

I think the golden rule as it applies to vp picks is "do no harm." A good choice won't help you all that much, but a bad choice can be a liability.

170 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:04:08pm

re: #165 Stanley Sea

How's your kid handling the trip? You know who I mean.

Hi you! There is a thunderstorm happening here right now.. So Winston is hiding under the covers, as usual.
I guess there is a primary season here..The Ads on TV are non-stop and ugly to the core. I love it! Oh, And Palin is on a lot here stumping for some Senator. If I hear Mama Grizzly one more time I'm shooting the TV.

171 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:04:29pm

re: #167 freetoken

I think the VP pick will be irrelevant to this election, and the only way a VP pick can have any real impact is when the choice is particularly Palin poor.

"My running mate is well qualified. You're just gonna have to take my word for it." -- Mitt Romney, 5 Nov 2012

172 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:06:16pm

re: #167 freetoken

I think the VP pick will be irrelevant to this election, and the only way a VP pick can have any real impact is when the choice is particularly Palin poor.

My money is still on McDonnell, as Virginia is actually somewhat of a swing state this go-around and ol' Bob's got at least middling support amongst the state GOP.

173 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:07:39pm

re: #167 freetoken

I think the VP pick will be irrelevant to this election, and the only way a VP pick can have any real impact is when the choice is particularly Palin poor.

The question for Romney's team right now is does Rob Portman put Ohio back into play? If so then I think he has to be the pick. If not then they ask the same question regarding Pawlenty - Minnesota and Rubio - Florida, except Florida's already in play. Rubio gets last consideration because the birthers don't think he's a "natural born" citizen according to their contrived and esoteric definition.

174 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:08:00pm

re: #144 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey, SFZ: The other day on Amazon I came across a high school world history book and noticed it had at least three different editions—one for Michigan, one for North Carolina, and another for Tennessee.

Why is that, do you know? It struck me as odd. Are we teaching different versions of world history to our kids? (Wouldn't particularly surprise me these days.)

175 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:10:38pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Hey, SFZ: The other day on Amazon I came across a high school world history book and noticed it had at least three different editions—one for Michigan, one for North Carolina, and another for Tennessee.

Why is that, do you know? It struck me as odd. Are we teaching different versions of world history to our kids? (Wouldn't particularly surprise me these days.)

The southie states want a watered down version of the slave trade, among other things.

176 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:13:39pm

re: #173 goddamnedfrank

The question for Romney's team right now is does Rob Portman put Ohio back into play? If so then I think he has to be the pick. If not then they ask the same question regarding Pawlenty - Minnesota and Rubio - Florida, except Florida's already in play. Rubio gets last consideration because the birthers don't think he's a "natural born" citizen according to their contrived and esoteric definition.

How do they figure that?

177 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:16:12pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

How do they figure that?

He's got too much permanent sun tan. ///

178 Four More Tears  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:16:48pm
179 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:20:55pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

How do they figure that?

His parent's weren't citizens at the time of his birth. This is the contrived definition they use to disqualify Obama, that his father wasn't a citizen. Therefore they don't want Rubio as VP because a VP must be qualified to become President. If Romney nominates Rubio then it means the GOP establishment has tossed their entire argument down the shitter. The GOP establishment doesn't want to do that because it would alienate the birthers and they want their votes. The GOP establishment types know how much time and devotion has gone into creating this line of thought and they want to capitalize on the support of racist xenophobes for as long as possible.

That's your party.

180 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:28:38pm

re: #179 goddamnedfrank

Better to just nominate Rubio and hit them with a choice: Either accept Rubio or lose the election. Their stupid meme is the political equivalent of the Oath of Feanor: It has only served to wound those who keep it and has never really damaged Obama.

You gotta be cruel to kind at times, so tell the Birthers to either hand over their security blanket of lies or get ready for four more years of Obama.

181 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:30:45pm

Apropos of nothing, here's another little *cough* jewel I found the other day:

The Billy Graham Christian Worker’s Handbook (PDF)

Here's part of the intro:

The Billy Graham Christian Worker’s Handbook was developed for the use of people who volunteer at telephone ministry centers during telecasts of Mr. Graham’s crusades. It has also been used by Christian ministers and laypersons in a wide variety of other witnessing and ministry situations.

Crusade telephone volunteers have found, through the years, that those who call tend to do so for one of three reasons: to respond to the Gospel for the first time, to rededicate themselves to Christ, or to express concern about a special need. This Handbook is designed to address those three areas.

• “Steps to Peace with God,” page 11, presents the Gospel in a clear and
simple way. Your use of “Steps” will, of course, vary according to the
personality and special concerns of the person to whom you present
it. But you should try to follow the steps given as closely as possible.

• Whenever possible, follow “Steps” with “Confirming the Decision to
Receive Christ,” page 13. This will help the new believer clarify the
decision he or she has made.

• Pages 15–19 contain useful guidelines for talking with the person who
has previously made a commitment of faith but has become unsure of
his or her salvation or has experienced serious difficulty in following
Christ.

• The “Resource Chapters” which comprise the majority of this
Handbook address the many special concerns people may express during
a telephone or personal encounter. (See below for further details.)

• “Seven Common Questions” is an in-depth discussion of some commonly
raised objections to Christianity.

• “A Comparison of Christianity with Major Religions and Cults” provides
a quick reference for talking with people of those faiths.

182 erik_t  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:31:45pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Better to just nominate Rubio and hit them with a choice: Either accept Rubio or lose the election. Their stupid meme is the political equivalent of the Oath of Feanor: It has only served to wound those who keep it and has never really damaged Obama.

You gotta be cruel to kind at times, so tell the Birthers to either hand over their security blanket of lies or get ready for four more years of Obama.

Who's doing the telling? The birthers are the ones in charge.

183 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:33:25pm

Louie.S03E06
Robin Williams, Louis CK, Brilliant dark comedy.

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:35:03pm

re: #174 CuriousLurker

Hey, SFZ: The other day on Amazon I came across a high school world history book and noticed it had at least three different editions—one for Michigan, one for North Carolina, and another for Tennessee.

Why is that, do you know? It struck me as odd. Are we teaching different versions of world history to our kids? (Wouldn't particularly surprise me these days.)

I can't speak with authority, since I don't know anything about schools in those states. Different states have different history standards, so my best guess would be that the texts are either a. tweaked slightly to meet specific standards, ie, Tennesee agreed to the book, but wanted an addition of a paragraph about Frederick the Great because he's in their standards by name or b. it's the same text, but in three different 'editions', each one having been stamped with the approving board's seal of approval for their particular state.

185 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:37:14pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

Better to just nominate Rubio and hit them with a choice: Either accept Rubio or lose the election. Their stupid meme is the political equivalent of the Oath of Feanor: It has only served to wound those who keep it and has never really damaged Obama.

You gotta be cruel to kind at times, so tell the Birthers to either hand over their security blanket of lies or get ready for four more years of Obama.

Here's wingnut birther Joseph Farah's take:

“Rubio is not eligible,” Farah told Fox News host Sean Hannity. “He’ll lose 10 percent of the Republican vote because he is not a natural-born citizen. We’ve been through this with Obama now for four years.”

Now Farah's an idiot, so let's say he's off by a factor of 99 to 1. That still represents a significant portion of the vote, could easily mean the difference between winning and losing in November. You can say now that Romney should take the risk and show some spine but when has he ever? You've admitted repeatedly that for him and the party it's all about expedience. This is why Rubio will probably be the very last name on the list.

186 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:40:08pm

re: #175 goddamnedfrank

The southie states want a watered down version of the slave trade, among other things.

Looking at the Michigan edition Amazon says customers who bought this item also bought (first three):

• Encountering Jesus in the New Testament

• Written on Our Hearts (2009): The Old Testament Story of God's Love, 3rd Ed.

• The Old Testament: Our Call to Faith & Justice

Sounds like home schooler stuff.

187 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:40:54pm

re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah, okay. Thanks!

188 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:40:58pm

re: #182 erik_t

Who's doing the telling? The birthers are the ones in charge.

No, they aren't. They've got enough influence heretofore to keep others from crossing them outright, but that sort of veto is not being in charge. And that's the best thing about this idea: Nominating Rubio does not say anything directly about Obama. Thus it presents the loons with a minor challenge and they would have to make it a major one. I believe a great many of them would rather see Obama defeated than make a major issue of it. So they'll accept Rubio, and in so doing begin the end of the Birthers.

And should they be reluctant to do so, they can simply be reminded that "Right or wrong, the Birther theory's relevance ends 2012. Either Obama will be defeated or he will have won a second term and be ineligible for a third. So come 2016 the point will be moot. So how about you forget that theory and help me get a good man elected?" (suggested words mine)

189 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:46:16pm

Prince William's ode to his wife's butt ~ [Link: www.thesuperficial.com...]

190 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:46:25pm

re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist

BTW, I'm pretty sure that according to the Billy Graham handbook above, you, me and all the atheists in the house are going straight to hell, so I guess we can stop fretting over that Jewish-Muslim thing. //

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:47:56pm

re: #186 CuriousLurker

Looking at the Michigan edition Amazon says customers who bought this item also bought (first three):

Sounds like home schooler stuff.

That could be as well, and it's possible that the home-school supplier does the different editions so that parents can make it clear to the state that they're using a compliant textbook.

192 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:49:11pm

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Louie.S03E06
Robin Williams, Louis CK, Brilliant dark comedy.

I have yet to see the episode with Doug Stanhope, which I understand is also pretty dark.

Stanhope on why your opinion doesn't matter

193 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:49:28pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

BTW, I'm pretty sure that according to the Billy Graham handbook above, you, me and all the atheists in the house are going straight to hell, so I guess we can stop fretting over that Jewish-Muslim thing. //

Oh, goodness sakes, yes. It's kind of heartwarming, the way you realize that just not being an evangelical Christian makes you one with everyone else who's not an evangelical Christian.

Although I have some friends who are evangelical Christians, and I'm sure gonna miss 'em....

194 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:50:58pm

re: #188 Dark_Falcon

"... So how about you forget that theory and help me get a good man elected?" (suggested words mine)

Except the Birther so cons don't think Romney's a good man. They hate him. They hate him for Mass healthcare reform. They hate him because of his flip flopping bullshit on abortion rights. They hate him for waffling on equality for gays. They simply find the man to be an utterly untrustworthy political lycanthrope. They aren't voting for Romney, at best they're voting against Obama and dismissively tossing their main, cherished, fundamental argument against Obama's legitimacy under the bus is absolutely going to be taken as rank disrespect. Many of them will revolt. They'd rather see the party and the nation burn than not get their way in even the smallest thing, and they don't see this as a small thing.

195 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:52:21pm

re: #189 prairiefire

Prince William's ode to his wife's butt ~ [Link: www.thesuperficial.com...]

He's lucky, and smart: It's not easy for a man to find a beautiful woman who really loves him, even if he's a prince. But Prince William did find such a lady.

Even I can be a romantic at times.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:54:56pm

re: #194 goddamnedfrank

Except the Birther so cons don't think Romney's a good man. They hate him. They hate him for Mass healthcare reform. They hate him because of his flip flopping bullshit on abortion rights. They hate him for waffling on equality for gays. They simply find the man to be an utterly untrustworthy political lycanthrope. They aren't voting for Romney, at best they're voting against Obama and dismissively tossing their main, cherished, fundamental argument against Obama's legitimacy under the bus is absolutely going to be taken as rank disrespect. Many of them will revolt. They'd rather see the party and the nation burn than not get their way in even the smallest thing, and they don't see this as a small thing.

I see it differently. Many will say they will let the party burn, but far fewer are nihilistic enough to do so. Those others will come to their senses and support Rubio, since he's socially conservative enough for them. By getting Rubio, they get a socon to counter-balance Romney, and that will be their rational for compromising.

197 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:55:27pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

Meh, meh, meh. After living half of my life already, (hopefully), one thing I am more certain of is mankind"s misunderstanding of God.
Who know what happens in the blink of an eye, a moment before death. It could be the most intimate moment of someone's life. I think it is.
Hope the LGF ladies are well!

198 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:57:24pm

re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, goodness sakes, yes. It's kind of heartwarming, the way you realize that just not being an evangelical Christian makes you one with everyone else who's not an evangelical Christian.

Although I have some friends who are evangelical Christians, and I'm sure gonna miss 'em....

Well, he didn't come right out and say it directly (pg. 287), but he did say that the Bible is the The Truth™, and since it says Jesus (a.s.) is the only way to God and there are PENALTIES for breaking the law...I figured I'd better remind everyone to pack some suntan lotion & fill up the cooler with ice. Lots of it. An eternity's worth even.

199 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:59:08pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Many will say they will let the party burn, but far fewer are nihilistic enough to do so.

They voted for people who promised not to vote to increase the debt ceiling. Their representatives held the full faith and credit of the United States hostage, and the GOP reps who caved are again being primaried from the right.

You live in a delusional fantasy world where your party isn't heavily compromised by atavistic death eaters looking to rule over the ashes of civilization.

200 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 7:59:39pm

re: #198 CuriousLurker

The right early childhood daycare will fix the problem.
/

201 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:01:10pm

re: #197 prairiefire

Meh, meh, meh. After living half of my life already, (hopefully), one thing I am more certain of is mankind"s misunderstanding of God.
Who know what happens in the blink of an eye, a moment before death. It could be the most intimate moment of someone's life. I think it is.
Hope the LGF ladies are well!

I think you're right. I was actually pondering that last night as I was trying to fall asleep. We believe whatever we believe and we know (on an intellectual level) that we're going to die one day, but we can't really conceive of our own death...all we know is being alive, so it's totally outside our experience.

202 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:01:32pm

re: #200 researchok

The right early childhood daycare will fix the problem.
/

LOL

203 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:01:37pm

re: #190 CuriousLurker

BTW, I'm pretty sure that according to the Billy Graham handbook above, you, me and all the atheists in the house are going straight to hell, so I guess we can stop fretting over that Jewish-Muslim thing. //

No kidding. The vast majority of us Christians are probably even worse than non-Christians to them. Ah well...

204 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:02:04pm

re: #199 goddamnedfrank

"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

Sourced from here.

205 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:02:40pm

re: #201 CuriousLurker

all we know is being alive, so it's totally outside our experience.

By definition, being dead is not an experience.

206 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:03:43pm

One other thing, as a child Rubio was a Mormon, his family attended CLDS services. He switched back to Catholic but the evangelical Christians aren't too in love with that either. Bible belt politics: Romney probably needs a solid Protestant on the ticket with him.

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:03:55pm

re: #204 Dark_Falcon

"He either fears his fate too much,
Or his desserts are small,
Who dares not put it to the touch,
To win or lose it all!"

Sourced from here.

By that standard, Mittens would need a scanning electron microscope to see his dessert... ;)

208 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:05:38pm

re: #201 CuriousLurker

We meant to live a meaningful life. Death is an event within that life- a very small part.

Living well is far preferable to dying well.

209 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:05:44pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

One other thing, as a child Rubio was a Mormon, his family attended CLDS services. He switched back to Catholic but the evangelical Christians aren't too in love with that either. Bible belt politics: Romney probably needs a solid Protestant on the ticket with him.

Realistically the Arkansas theocrat is his best bet.

210 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:06:26pm

re: #207 William Barnett-Lewis

By that standard, Mittens would need a scanning electron microscope to see his dessert... ;)

Hence my proposal. another quote to justify it, this one from Lord Nelson:

"He who will not risk cannot win."

211 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:06:58pm

re: #209 William Barnett-Lewis

Realistically the Arkansas theocrat is his best bet.

Yeah, but they hate each other, no?

212 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:07:27pm

re: #208 researchok

We meant to live a meaningful life. Death is an event within that life- a very small part.

Living well is far preferable to dying well.

"Dum vivimus, vivamus!" as the epicureans put it?

213 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:07:44pm

re: #203 William Barnett-Lewis

No kidding. The vast majority of us Christians are probably even worse than non-Christians to them. Ah well...

Indeed. At the very end of the handbook is a "Comparison of Christianity with Major Religions and Cults". Listed, in order, are: Buddhists, Christian Scientists, Hindus, Jehovah's Witnesses, Orthodox Jews, Mormons, Muslims, and Unitarians.

Not sure why they specified Orthodox Jews. Maybe the non-Orthodox aren't considered Real Jews™—more like wish-washy secularists or something. //

214 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:07:58pm

re: #210 Dark_Falcon

"He who will not risk cannot win."

Mitt the Twit™ doesn't even have the spine to repudiate birther Donald Trump.

215 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:08:38pm

re: #213 CuriousLurker

Indeed. At the very end of the handbook is a "Comparison of Christianity with Major Religions and Cults".

216 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:09:34pm

re: #205 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

By definition, being dead is not an experience.

All the more reason we can't conceive of our own then, I guess.

217 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:09:54pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but they hate each other, no?

Most presidents and vice-presidents, historically, have not been the best of friends. If Huck joins and Mittens gets sentenced to 8 years, Huck's in the best spot to succeed him by modern history. Can they look past the hate for the prize? If not, what does that say about either of them?

218 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:11:14pm

re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but they hate each other, no?

Really? I had no idea they disliked each other.

219 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:11:24pm

re: #170 Digital Display

Hi you! There is a thunderstorm happening here right now.. So Winston is hiding under the covers, as usual.
I guess there is a primary season here..The Ads on TV are non-stop and ugly to the core. I love it! Oh, And Palin is on a lot here stumping for some Senator. If I hear Mama Grizzly one more time I'm shooting the TV.

Feeling your pain. And adventure.

220 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:12:21pm

re: #218 CuriousLurker

Deep, visceral distrust.

One likes cat videos, the other does not.

221 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:14:27pm

re: #217 William Barnett-Lewis

Most presidents and vice-presidents, historically, have not been the best of friends. If Huck joins and Mittens gets sentenced to 8 years, Huck's in the best spot to succeed him by modern history. Can they look past the hate for the prize? If not, what does that say about either of them?

Dunno, but I'd think slightly better of Mitt if he didn't run with the man who a. wants to rewrite the Constitution to accord with the Bible and b. asked of Mitt's own faith, casually, just askin' "Don't they believe Satan and Jesus are brothers?" for advantage in a race.

222 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:14:54pm

re: #217 William Barnett-Lewis

Most presidents and vice-presidents, historically, have not been the best of friends. If Huck joins and Mittens gets sentenced to 8 years, Huck's in the best spot to succeed him by modern history. Can they look past the hate for the prize? If not, what does that say about either of them?

Anybody who gets asked to be VP should demand to see Mitt's tax returns before accepting, just as a long term CYA maneuver. I simply would not assume that that shit is going to stay hidden forever. Whoever takes that job needs to make it clear for their own interests that the op research works both ways, so they know exactly what the fuck they're getting into.

223 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:15:43pm

re: #220 researchok

Deep, visceral distrust.

One likes cat videos, the other does not.

Funny that, as a cat person, the first thing I thought when I read that was that it was one good thing about Huck. Wonder what that projection says about my feelings on the two of them?

224 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:17:17pm

re: #206 goddamnedfrank

I bet you three Unicorn horns that it's Pawlenty.

225 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:19:06pm

re: #220 researchok

Deep, visceral distrust.

One likes cat videos, the other does not.

LOL. On a serious note, I neither like nor trust Romney, but Huckabee absolutely makes my skin crawl.

226 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:22:03pm

re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis

Not so much projection but a kind of displacement.

Not a bad thing

Huck is a likable guy.

227 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:22:35pm
228 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:23:00pm

OT:
I have a file with a list of names and dollar amt in the form:

Smith, John 4,567.00
Jones, Bill 3,234.00

And another file in the form:

Misc text

Mainframe Barber John Smith

More misc text

Backyard Sweeper Bill Jones

More misc text

I want to create a single text file with the form

Mainframe Barber John Smith 4,567.00
Backyard Sweeper Bill Jones 3,234.00

Anyone with better sed/grep skills than me know how I can do that?

229 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:23:58pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

I'm more sanguine when it comes to Huckabee.

He's a politician, knows how to use the media and uses them as much as they use him for their ends.

He's an American success story in his own way.

230 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:24:57pm

The only good cat is one used to feed a dog.

231 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:26:20pm

re: #226 researchok

Not so much projection but a kind of displacement.

Not a bad thing

Huck is a likable guy.

Only if you're not paying close attention. He has a mean streak a mile wide.

232 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:26:24pm

re: #230 b_sharp

The only good cat is one used to feed a dog.

You may want to read this book.

233 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:26:35pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

On a serious note, I neither like nor trust Romney, but Huckabee absolutely makes my skin crawl.

Huckabee is every inch a con artist. He's quick with a smile and the whole "aw shucks" vibe, and he pretends to be a regular guy, but he's a raging theocrat who'd turn this country into a Christian version of Saudi Arabia in a heartbeat.

Mitt Romney is the white bread, draft-dodging version of John Kerry, but with less charisma. He's the living embodiment of the rich asshole CEO that fired you and outsourced your job then got a nice, cushy bonus for his efforts.

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:26:56pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

LOL. On a serious note, I neither like nor trust Romney, but Huckabee absolutely makes my skin crawl.

Seriously, I agree. He's the real deal of what Robert Heinlein wrote about in the character of Nehemiah Scudder. Evil with a homeboy smile.

235 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:27:05pm

re: #226 researchok

Huck is a likable guy.

He's only likable if you ignore the fact that he's a raging theocrat.

236 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:27:47pm

re: #232 researchok

You may want to read this book.

Meh.

I just need to make more money.

237 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:28:06pm

re: #228 b_sharp

OT:
I have a file with a list of names and dollar amt in the form:

And another file in the form:

I want to create a single text file with the form

Anyone with better sed/grep skills than me know how I can do that?

One time thing or need to do it again? If one time, that's cut & paste in a spreadsheet.

238 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:28:31pm
239 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:28:46pm

re: #235 Lidane

I don't disagree- he is a theocrat.

240 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:30:02pm

re: #229 researchok

I'm more sanguine when it comes to Huckabee.

He's a politician, knows how to use the media and uses them as much as they use him for their ends.

He's an American success story in his own way.

I'm speaking from my early, direct experiences with born again, evangelical Christians combined with some of the things I've heard him say.

I agree that he's very good at selling the the kindly, guitar-playing uncle persona.

241 Lidane  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:30:39pm

re: #239 researchok

I don't disagree- he is a theocrat.

Which means that the whole likable act is just that-- an act. He's not someone I would trust with power.

242 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:31:00pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

LOL. On a serious note, I neither like nor trust Romney, but Huckabee absolutely makes my skin crawl.

Huck's son, while working as a councilor at a Boy Scout camp, tortured, hung, stoned (very Biblical) and slit the throat of a stray dog. Then Huck's office impeded the investigation.

243 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:31:51pm

Huckabee is also the bigoted piece of crap who started that whole chick-fil-a appreciation garbage [remaining comments redacted to protect my LGF account]

244 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:32:05pm

re: #238 Interesting Times

Dukakis also pardoned a murderer- remember Willie Horton?

Don't forget these cases are presented to him by staff.

Every governor has pardoned people they should not have and kept people in prison who should have been pardoned.

It isn't as if these bad pardons are deliberately meant to release murderers so they can murder again.

245 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:32:47pm

re: #237 William Barnett-Lewis

One time thing or need to do it again? If one time, that's cut & paste in a spreadsheet.

Large files with several hundred lines each. Cut and paste would take forever.

246 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:34:52pm

re: #240 CuriousLurker

I understand- but let's be careful.

In the same way you (rightly) do not want all Muslims to be judged by the bad acts of some, evangelicals deserve the same treatment.

There are a lot of Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, Muslims,etc., who feed a lot of hungry people every day- because it is the right thing to do.

247 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:35:20pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

LOL. On a serious note, I neither like nor trust Romney, but Huckabee absolutely makes my skin crawl.

This is the guy who thinks we should all be subjected to David Barton "at gunpoint".

I'll assume he was speaking figuratively, but an even slightly enthusiastic endorsement of that buffoon isn't particularly endearing to me.

248 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:36:09pm

re: #244 researchok

Dukakis also pardoned a murderer- remember Willie Horton?

Don't forget these cases are presented to him by staff.

Every governor has pardoned people they should not have anbd kept people in prison who should have been pardoned.

It isn't as if these bad pardons are deliberately meant to release murderers so they can murder again.

Timmy's got a beaut in the child molester he pardoned who went on to offend again. If only the Dems had a spine - using the old Hustler Chester cartoons with Pawlently's face would probably be quite effective... :eek:

249 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:36:43pm

re: #244 researchok

It isn't as if these bad pardons are deliberately meant to release murderers so they can murder again.

Did you bother to read any of the information I linked?

Jay Cole, like Huckabee, is a Baptist minister, pastor for the Mission Fellowship Bible Church in Fayetteville and a close friend of the governor and his wife. On the ultra-conservative radio program he hosts, Cole has championed the cause of Wayne Dumond for more than a decade. Cole has repeatedly claimed that Dumond’s various travails are the result of Ashley Stevens’ distant relationship to Bill Clinton.

One of the reasons Huckabee pardoned the rapist was because his victim had a connection to Bill Clinton. Why on earth are you making excuses for this disgusting, dangerous excuse of a human?

250 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:37:16pm

I don't care for Huckabee either (for some of the same reasons you elucidate), but he does not speak for all evangelicals.

251 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:39:14pm

re: #249 Interesting Times

And you believe he did that deliberately, knowing he would commit those crimes again?

And your making that assertion based on unsubstantiated claims?

252 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:41:25pm

re: #246 researchok

There are a lot of Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, Muslims,etc., who feed a lot of hungry people every day- because it is the right thing to do.

253 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:41:31pm

re: #235 Lidane

He's only likable if you ignore the fact that he's a raging theocrat.

He's charming. He's self-deprecating. He seems like a pleasant, honest, very likable person.

The theocrat aspect means I wouldn't vote for him to be dogcatcher, and his politics are grotesque, but I smile when Mike Huckabee is talking.

254 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:41:57pm

re: #249 Interesting Times

Did you bother to read any of the information I linked?

One of the reasons Huckabee pardoned the rapist was because his victim had a connection to Bill Clinton. Why on earth are you making excuses for this disgusting, dangerous excuse of a human?

That's a pretty severe charge, PS. You need to provide evidence to support it.

255 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:42:36pm

re: #244 researchok

Dukakis also pardoned a murderer- remember Willie Horton?

Horton wasn't pardoned, he was furloughed for a weekend. Still it was a horrible decision on Dukakis's part to continue the furlough program begun by his Republican predecessor.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:42:55pm

re: #252 Interesting Times

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I saw that too.

I think it's unfair, based on what I've seen of charity work in various Christian communities.

257 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:43:49pm

re: #250 researchok

I don't care for Huckabee either (for some of the same reasons you elucidate), but he does not speak for all evangelicals.

This is not an argument or a challenge - I'm asking because I don't know:
are there any prominent evangelicals who have publicly distanced themselves from Huckabee?

258 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:44:06pm

re: #252 Interesting Times

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You'd also never see me waiting that long to order lunch. Standing in line for 1/2 an hour to make a political statement strikes me as silly. Not dumb (though the nature of the statement could make it dumb), just silly.

259 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:44:14pm

re: #252 Interesting Times

Apples and oranges.

There are a lot religious people, of every faith, who do not participate in the headline making antics of some of their coreligionists.

The examples are myriad.

I am not excusing the bigots but lets be clear. There are plenty of believers who are moral and ethical people.

You know, like the president.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:44:44pm

re: #257 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

This is not an argument or a challenge - I'm asking because I don't know:
are there any prominent evangelicals who have publicly distanced themselves from Huckabee?

Well, probably Jim Wallis, although I don't know if he even feels the need.

261 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:45:00pm

re: #255 goddamnedfrank

I stand corrected.

TY

As you say though, the outcome was pretty bad.

262 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:50:52pm

re: #246 researchok

I understand- but let's be careful.

In the same way you (rightly) do not want all Muslims to be judged by the bad acts of some, evangelicals deserve the same treatment.

There are a lot of Evangelicals, Catholics, Jews, Muslims,etc., who feed a lot of hungry people every day- because it is the right thing to do.

At no point did I say all evangelicals are not to be trusted. I said I had direct, personal experience with them (for several years). That experience taught me that there are some who can be vicious when crossed, and by "crossed" I mean if you balk at going along with the program. I have seen that in Huckabee.

The same is true for fundie Muslims, and I assume for Catholics & Jews as well. It has little or nothing to do with specific religions and everything to do with the extremist, dogmatic mindset.

263 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:51:13pm

re: #252 Interesting Times

Once upon a time, a local fundy church held a rally at the state capitol about a nude beach. I wrote a letter to the editor asking why they wasted the money on gas that could have gone to a food pantry. Oh did that kick up some defensive nastygrams to me.

It's all too easy to call yourself a Christian; it's a hell of a fucking lot harder to actually do it...

264 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:52:29pm

re: #259 researchok

I am not excusing the bigots but lets be clear.

It sounds as if you're trying to minimize Huckabee's behavior by latching on to technicalities instead of looking at the whole picture. And even though the wording in the tweet I posted doesn't make finer distinctions, I take it to be describing the types of evangelicals who believe in denying equality to others and are hypocritical bible-thumpers.

Sorry, but I can't be "sanguine" about them or their all-too-influential leaders.

265 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:53:33pm

re: #262 CuriousLurker

At no point did I say all evangelicals are not to be trusted. I said I had direct, personal experience with them (for several years). That experience taught me that there are some who can be vicious when crossed, and by "crossed" I mean if you balk at going along with the program. I have seen that in Huckabee.

The same is true for fundie Muslims, and I assume for Catholics & Jews as well. It has little or nothing to do with specific religions and everything to do with the extremist, dogmatic mindset.

Thank you for the clarification.

I was confused because you said:

I'm speaking from my early, direct experiences with born again, evangelical Christians combined with some of the things I've heard him say.

I did not take that to mean you had direct contact with Huckabee.

266 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:55:39pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw that too.

I think it's unfair, based on what I've seen of charity work in various Christian communities.

True. But I've also run into so many of those who would consider going to CFA to be "more important". I can forgive a whole lot of crap from those who are out there doing the hard dirty work of helping the world. Too many others though want to bath in the reflected glory without getting their hands dirty...

267 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:57:30pm

re: #254 Dark_Falcon

That's a pretty severe charge, PS. You need to provide evidence to support it.

Here you go:

Prior to his imprisonment for rape, Dumond's record included a conviction for assault and his alleged involvement in a slaying and one other rape. Stevens, the victim in the 1985 rape for which he was convicted, was a distant relative of Bill Clinton's, and Dumond became a cause celebrity among some who thought he had been dealt with harshly because of the victim's relationship to then-Governor Clinton. Huckabee had originally indicated a desire to commute Dumond's sentence, but decided not to after unfavorable public response.

...

Shortly afterward, in a 1996 closed-door session with the state parole board, Huckabee urged them to recommend Dumond be freed, according to the one member who voted against the release.

"He said the case I want to talk to you about is Wayne Dumond, and this is a guy who may have grown up on the wrong side of the tracks and may have gotten a raw deal," said professor Charles Chastain of the University of Ark. at Little Rock's Criminal Justice Department. "Immediately the other board members who voted on that case decided, apparently, if the governor wants it, he gets it."

268 jaunte  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:57:42pm

House Republicans Vote To Increase Taxes On Military Families

A corporal (E4) in the Marines with four years of service, who is married and has two children would see a tax increase of $448 under H.R. 8

A military police staff sergeant (E5) in the Air Force with eight years’ service, with a spouse and three young children at home, would see a tax increase of $1,118 under H.R. 8

A private in the U.S. Army (E1) in his first year of service, who is married with an infant child, would see a $273 tax increase under the Republican plan.

Military Families with Modest Incomes Could Lose Important Tax Credits

I'm sure the House Republicans are still willing to say "thank you for your service" without adding "sucker."

269 Kragar  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:58:29pm

Drilling discovers ancient Antarctic rainforest

Drilling of the seabed off Antarctica has revealed that rainforest grew on the frozen continent 52 million years ago, scientists said Thursday, warning it could be ice-free again within decades.

The study of sediment cores drilled from the ocean floor off Antarctica's east coast revealed fossil pollens that had come from a "near-tropical" forest covering the continent in the Eocene period, 34-56 million years ago.

Kevin Welsh, an Australian scientist who travelled on the 2010 expedition, said analysis of temperature-sensitive molecules in the cores had showed it was "very warm" 52 million years ago, measuring about 20 degrees Celsius (68 F).

"There were forests existing on the land, there wouldn't have been any ice, it would have been very warm," Welsh told AFP of the study, published in the journal Nature.

270 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 8:59:40pm

re: #264 Interesting Times

It sounds as if you're trying to minimize Huckabee's behavior by latching on to technicalities instead of looking at the whole picture. And even though the wording in the tweet I posted doesn't make finer distinctions, I take it to be describing the types of evangelicals who believe in denying equality to others and are hypocritical bible-thumpers.

Sorry, but I can't be "sanguine" about them or their all-too-influential leaders.

The whole picture reinforces my point.

Entire religious communities cannot be painted with a single brush stroke.

As for their leaders, while Huckabee certainly has his constituency, he does not speak for all evangelicals or all believers.

Are all Catholics, Jews and Muslims who reject state sanctioned same sex marriages also 'hypocritical bible thumpers?'

271 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:01:22pm

re: #270 researchok

Are all Catholics, Jews and Muslims who reject state sanctioned same sex marriages also 'hypocritical bible thumpers?'

Nope, just bigots.

272 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:01:56pm

re: #270 researchok

And for the record, I am pro gay marriage.

Anything that helps to maintain a more stable society is OK with me.

Marriage is one such institution.

273 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:02:50pm

re: #271 goddamnedfrank

So you are labeling the vast majority of the faith community as bigots?

274 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:03:31pm

re: #266 William Barnett-Lewis

True. But I've also run into so many of those who would consider going to CFA to be "more important". I can forgive a whole lot of crap from those who are out there doing the hard dirty work of helping the world. Too many others though want to bath in the reflected glory without getting their hands dirty...

All true, and I'm not real optimistic about the charitable work of the people lining up outside the CFA for the most part. But I've worked with enough Catholics and Evangelicals and the like who work their asses off that I can say that yes, you could get that many of them together to work for a soup kitchen.

There's just an arrogance to that caption that bugs me. It's not as though non-Christians don't do stupid and assholish things in large numbers--or as though you can even be sure all the folks showing up to be schmucks for Chick-Fil-A are Christians of any description.

275 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:04:37pm

re: #270 researchok

Allow me to clarify- because there are Jews, Catholics, Muslims who reject same sex marriage, does that mean all Jews, Catholics Catholics and Muslims are to be excoriated?

276 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:05:42pm

re: #273 researchok

So you are labeling the vast majority of the faith community as bigots?

If they want to ban a practice that has zero impact on their lives, then that's an irrational opposition to an idea, hence bigotry. Since support for gay marriage in the US is over 50% and there aren't that many atheists I'm not sure how vast the majority you describe is, but for the sake of argument I'll stipulate yes to your question. They're bigots.

277 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:06:29pm

re: #273 researchok

So you are labeling the vast majority of the faith community as bigots?

I'm not sure I'm willing to generalize about any belief of 'the vast majority of the faith community'.

At this point, something more than half of Americans support marriage equality, according to some polling. I suspect that a hell of a lot of faith community is represented in those numbers.

278 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:06:33pm

re: #276 goddamnedfrank

Six months ago, would you have labeled President Obama as a bigot?

279 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:07:18pm

re: #278 researchok

Six months ago, would you have labeled President Obama as a bigot?

For these purposes? Yes. I'm glad he got bettah.

280 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:07:23pm

re: #275 researchok

does that mean all Jews, Catholics Catholics and Muslims are to be excoriated?

Who in this thread is saying they should be? Every now and then, you argue in this weird-ass, disconnected, goalpost-shifting, strawman-mounting way that makes little to no sense when taken in context of the actual conversation. It's just bizarre.

281 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:07:27pm

re: #265 researchok

Here, let me give you a small example of what I'm referring to:

Back in June Bristol Palin was supposed to be on Huckabee's radio show and she stood him up. His response, in part (emphasis mine):

[...] “Too bad,” he said. “But you know, I guess sometimes kids don’t have anything to do with their parents getting in the spotlight when they become candidates, but they do choose to continue to be in the spotlight. And that’s a choice that she, for whatever reason, has made.”

Huckabee went on to say that Bristol — the 21-year-old daughter of former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin — has become “fair game” for criticism.

“The sad thing: I hope that she is ready for it," he said. "Because now, it’ll come not because of what her mother chose to do but because she has said, ‘I want to be in the spotlight.'"

To some, that may sound like simple, needed advice to a young person, but I heard a threat in there, loud & clear. So did Bristol Palin, judging by her response:

[...] Not pleased with the characterization, Bristol responded, “I understand Gov. Huckabee has a huge challenge creating a radio show he wants as the alternative to Rush Limbaugh. I understand he wants to fill his show with a little controversy — and what better way than to create headlines telling the world he now considers me ‘fair game.’”

“However, does he really believe I don’t understand what it’s like to be ‘fair game?’” she went on. “Anyone who’s seen this blog — or the newspapers or the television — knows I’ve been through quite a bit of media speculation, ridicule, scorn. I’ve been writing about my own political ideas and have been “fair game” in my comments sections. I’ve also defended myself from vile comments from leftists like Bill Maher. Is Mike Huckabee joining into that scorn supposed to intimidate me?

282 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:08:01pm

re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist

I agree.

283 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:08:29pm

I have a question.

Should I keep putting up pages on stupid rwnj blogs?

284 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:08:49pm

re: #278 researchok

Valid question, given the parameters of tonight's discussion.

285 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:09:16pm

re: #275 researchok

Allow me to clarify- because there are Jews, Catholics, Muslims who reject same sex marriage, does that mean all Jews, Catholics Catholics and Muslims are to be excoriated?

Fallacy of Composition.

286 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:09:29pm

re: #281 CuriousLurker

No argument here.

I don't care for the guy, either.

He's on TV because he's a lightning rod, a provocateur.

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:09:48pm

re: #283 b_sharp

I have a question.

Should I keep putting up pages on stupid rwnj blogs?

ON those blogs, or ABOUT those blogs?

Either way, what is your purpose in doing so? Do you think it is being achieved?

288 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:11:03pm

re: #285 goddamnedfrank

Right- evangelicals on LGF are never excoriated as a whole because of the beliefs of some.

Right.

289 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:11:41pm

re: #278 researchok

Six months ago, would you have labeled President Obama as a bigot?

No, because I think he was dissembling his true opinion. I would have, and did, label him as a spineless coward with regards to a case of of improper discrimination on a clear cut civil rights issue.

290 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:11:52pm

Okay, I'm running out of steam and dawn comes early, so I'm out. Have a good night, everyone.

291 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:12:39pm

re: #290 CuriousLurker

Okay, I'm running out of steam and dawn comes early, so I'm out. Have a good night, everyone.

Good night. Tzom kal tomorrow. ("Easy fast".)

292 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:13:26pm

re: #289 goddamnedfrank

And Bill Clinton?

293 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:13:38pm

re: #288 researchok

Right- evangelicals on LGF are never excoriated as a whole because of the beliefs of some.

Right.

Red Herring.

294 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:14:48pm

re: #292 researchok

And Bill Clinton?

Also a liar. Also willing to compromise on minority rights.

295 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:15:35pm

I'll be sure to make my point shortly.

It won't take more than a day or two.

296 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:16:14pm

re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist

ON those blogs, or ABOUT those blogs?

Either way, what is your purpose in doing so? Do you think it is being achieved?

About stories on those blogs ma'am.
Catharsis for me, information about the blog author's dishonesty for others.
Ammunition for assaults against reason.
Practice my writing skills. Improve my stats knowledge.

I ask to make sure people are still interested in reading about dumbasses.

297 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:16:15pm

re: #294 goddamnedfrank

We agree there.

He really did compromise on minority rights.

Good point

298 researchok  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:19:22pm

I'm outta here as well.

For a few hours.

299 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:21:25pm

re: #297 researchok

We agree there.

He really did compromise on minority rights.

Good point

Yes, and the people he compromised with, Republicans, held views on minority rights that were abjectly evil.

300 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:21:38pm

re: #293 goddamnedfrank

Red Herring.

Literally? Probably. Still, even as a decidedly non-evangelical Anglo-Catholic & universalistic Episcopalian I catch enough of the blow back to understand his feeling. The good one only knows what it takes for Curious Lurker or SFZ to be here on bad days.

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:22:58pm

re: #296 b_sharp

About stories on those blogs ma'am.
Catharsis for me, information about the blog author's dishonesty for others.
Ammunition for assaults against reason.
Practice my writing skills. Improve my stats knowledge.

I ask to make sure people are still interested in reading about dumbasses.

I am always interested in reading about dumbasses. My husband says it is one of my more annoying personality traits. (Dumbasses make him sad.)

302 Interesting Times  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:25:55pm

Even before he outright said he supported marriage equality, Obama (and the Democrats) took several actions to advance LGBT rights (e.g. no longer defending DOMA, ending DADT). Contrast this with republicans, who happily waste taxpayer dollars continuing to defend DOMA and pass myriad other laws restricting or denying minority rights at the state level. And they disgustingly use Christianity/"religious freedom" as the wedge to justify it.

Sorry, but I have little to no patience with arguments that attempt to minimize or deflect from these simple facts.

and with that, I'm out as well

303 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:25:58pm

re: #296 b_sharp

Please continue, in my humble opinion.

304 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:29:48pm

re: #300 William Barnett-Lewis

Literally? Probably. Still, even as a decidedly non-evangelical Anglo-Catholic & universalistic Episcopalian I catch enough of the blow back to understand his feeling. The good one only knows what it takes for Curious Lurker or SFZ to be here on bad days.

I've been trying to respond to this wittily for a little bit, and I'm not sure exactly what to say, except "there are some moments", and "actually, I think it would be more annoying to be a Christian on those bad days".

Or a Mormon.

305 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:31:24pm

Charles have you thought about giving us the ability to save an incomplete page to be finished later?

306 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:32:00pm

Yesterday I posted a link covering the GOP primary contest in a new Congressional district in Florida, noting that the article highlighted how much of a creationists one of the Republican contestants publicly presents herself.

However, a commenter at that article points out that another article just a few weeks earlier brought up the fact that all three Republicans running for the candidacy are in fact in favor of bringing creationism into public education:

[...] Renuart said, “Evolution is still a theory. It should be taught as a theory, not as a fact. Creationism, divine intervention — a lot of people share this belief.” Kendall agreed with that statement.

“Evolution standards are being thrust on our students in science class,” she said. “Academic freedom allows our students to question that science has it right.”

Davis said, “The school should present both ideas.”

No one in the auditorium challenged or commented on those statements, which equated “scientific creationism,” essentially religious dogma, to empirical science.

[...]

I think I may even had commented on it three weeks ago... there are so many creationists I can't keep track of them all.

So, at least in that new Congressional district, the Republicans are sure to pick a candidate that wants to bring creationism into public schools.

As if it actually left all of them.

307 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:32:40pm

re: #305 b_sharp

Charles have you thought about giving us the ability to save an incomplete page to be finished later?

I think that would be a great innovation. You can do it at Blogger. (I have no idea how hard it would be to actually put in.)

308 freetoken  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:32:42pm

re: #305 b_sharp

Charles have you thought about giving us the ability to save an incomplete page to be finished later?

Is that what, under the dashboard, the "visible" button is for?

309 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:33:02pm

re: #304 SanFranciscoZionist

I've been trying to respond to this wittily for a little bit, and I'm not sure exactly what to say, except "there are some moments", and "actually, I think it would be more annoying to be a Christian on those bad days".

Or a Mormon.

We atheists can be an annoying bunch at times.

310 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:34:09pm

re: #309 b_sharp

We atheists can be an annoying bunch at times.

Eh, most of you are very charming...

311 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:34:09pm

re: #309 b_sharp

We atheists can be an annoying bunch at times.

312 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:35:41pm

re: #267 goddamnedfrank

Here you go:

That supports the idea, but puts a different spin on Huckabee's actions than I thought PS implied: It suggests that Huckabee did not pardon the man because he did not care that it was a Clinton relative who had been raped, he did it because he believed that Dumond had been "given a raw deal" because the woman he was accused of raping was related to then-Governor Clinton. That interpretation would make Huckabee's actions non malicious, would it not?

313 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:35:55pm

re: #308 freetoken

Is that what, under the dashboard, the "visible" button is for?

I'm a 'page' neophyte and I didn't see the visible button so just stop picking on me.

314 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:36:28pm

re: #310 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh, most of you are very charming...

Witch ones?

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:42:03pm

re: #314 b_sharp

Witch ones?

No, no, the witches are a different bunch...

316 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:47:07pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

That supports the idea, but puts a different spin on Huckabee's actions than I thought PS implied: It suggests that Huckabee did not pardon the man because he did not care that it was a Clinton relative who had been raped, he did it because he believed that Dumond had been "given a raw deal" because the woman he was accused of raping was related to then-Governor Clinton. That interpretation would make Huckabee's actions non malicious, would it not?

Except that he met with the victims and still told the board that Dumond had gotten a raw deal:

After first denying the letters were genuine, a spokesperson for Huckabee now confirms at least one of these letters was received by his office.

Several years ago, the documents were provided to Huffington Post reporter Murray Waas by a Huckabee aide.

In one, a woman tells of how Dumond raped her daughter, while her three-year-old grandchild looked on.

"I am also a rape victim of Dumond's," reads another heavily-underlined, bolded letter to Huckabee from the file. "Please reconsider your decision to release Dumond."

Huckabee even met with Ashley Stevens, whose rape had put Dumond behind bars in 1985.

I'm not sure it was malicious or just unforgivably indifferent but it seems clear that there was an agenda at play that deliberately discounted and minimized the first hand accounts of victims.

317 b_Snark  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:48:30pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

No, no, the witches are a different bunch...

Are they charming too?

318 Varek Raith  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 9:49:23pm

re: #317 b_sharp

Are they charming too?

As long as they are hot, who cares???
/

319 Fozzie Bear  Sat, Aug 4, 2012 10:18:40pm

Charles: do you use git for version control?

320 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:52:33am

re: #319 Fozzie Bear

Charles: do you use git for version control?

No, I use Subversion.


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