Update on Sikh Shootings: Gunman’s Tattoos Point to Domestic Terrorism

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An unnamed federal official told the Los Angeles Times tonight that the shootings in Wisconsin are being treated as domestic terrorism because of the gunman’s tattoos and biographical details.

Tattoos on the body of the slain Sikh temple gunman and certain biographical details led the FBI to treat the attack at a Milwaukee-area temple as an act of domestic terrorism, officials said Sunday.

UPDATE at 8/5/12 5:50:13 pm

CNN has another detail about the tattoos (h/t: Khorramdin):

The attack occurred about 10:30 a.m. (11:30 a.m. ET), when temple members were reading scriptures and cooking food in preparation for the main Sunday service and community lunch, said Kanwardeep Singh Kaleka, a member of the congregation and the nephew of its president.

Kaleka was not at the temple at the time of the shooting, but helped police interview witnesses in the aftermath. He said members described the attacker as a bald, white man, dressed in a white T-shirt and black pants and with a 9/11 tattoo on one arm — which “implies to me that there’s some level of hate crime there.”

UPDATE at 8/5/12 6:08:29 pm

More information on the shooter’s motivations:

Officials told NBC News the suspect,�who served in the U.S. Army,�had many tattoos. The suspect had some kind of radical or white supremacist views but,�as far as officials said they had�heard, he was not in any kind of radical organization. His previous run-ins with law enforcement involved in traffic offenses, they said.

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1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:37:11pm

My money's on an Odin's Cross.

2 Khorramdin  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:42:07pm

It's a 9/11 Tattoo.

Kaleka was not at the temple at the time of the shooting, but helped police interview witnesses in the aftermath. He said members described the attacker as a bald, white man, dressed in a white T-shirt and black pants and with a 9/11 tattoo on one arm -- which "implies to me that there's some level of hate crime there."

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

3 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:43:34pm

Posse Comitatus
Very big in Wisconsin.

4 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:45:38pm

re: #2 Khorramdin

It's a 9/11 Tattoo.

Where did you hear that?

5 Khorramdin  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:47:47pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Where did you hear that?

I added the link. She seems to be translating for some members.

6 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:48:46pm

re: #3 Shiplord Kirel

Posse Comitatus
Very big in Wisconsin.

Yeah, we've had lots of trouble with those nuts. These days they've pretty much all gone the "sovereign citizen" route which, combined with their racism, makes them an extremely dangerous bunch. I'd rather deal with drug selling bikers ... :O

7 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:49:17pm

re: #2 Khorramdin

It's a 9/11 Tattoo.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

Welcome new hatchling.

8 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:49:43pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Where did you hear that?

I heard that too, on the twitterverse.

9 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:50:33pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

Welcome new hatchling.

HA! WW!!! didn't know you were here!

10 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:52:30pm

Everything I needed to know about people with 9-11 tattoos I learned on 8/5/2012

11 allegro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:52:40pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

Where did you hear that?

I heard it during an interview on CNN with an interpreter who was translating temple members' stories to the police.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:52:45pm

So--we have a confused hater who somehow missed the fact that the Sikhs had nothing whatsoever to do with 9-11.

13 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:52:46pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

It's in the link. Search on "tatoo". [Link: www.cnn.com...]

14 Khorramdin  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:52:52pm

re: #7 Stanley Sea

Welcome new hatchling.

Thanks. I've been coming regularly for several years. But I finally decided to sign up and join the madness.

15 jaunte  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:53:11pm

Pam Geller, 2009

SHOCKING NEW REPORT!
OBAMA'S REAL TERRORISTS: TARGETING PATRIOTS AND THE RIGHT
"Have you seen this? It is the fascist blueprint to create a police state and legalize gulags. This is not a spoof. This is Obama's "civilian army's" MOB. According to Obama's DHS, patriots are the real threat to America."
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

16 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:53:35pm

re: #12 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So--we have a confused hater who somehow missed the fact that the Sikhs had nothing whatsoever to do with 9-11.

We need a better class of homicidal maniac.

17 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:53:58pm

re: #12 Mostly sane, most of the time.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

18 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:55:33pm

Police are evacuating an area near the temple.

Was this guy inspired by the Colorado shootings and bomb-trapped apartment?

19 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:55:53pm

re: #14 Khorramdin

Thanks. I've been coming regularly for several years. But I finally decided to sign up and join the madness.

Your "Frank Says" welcome [showed up on my page for this thread]:

Frank says:

I figure the odds are fifty-fifty I just might have some thing to say.

20 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:56:49pm

Beach volleyball is boring.

But, I am not a red-blooded American male, they may think it's the greatest Olympic sport EVER.

21 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 5:57:40pm

Sometimes the use of the English language can allow for ambiguities:

Tattoos on the body of the slain Sikh temple gunman and certain biographical details ...

The problem with that phrase is that the first time I read this (and I've not been up on the news all day) is that I thought that the Sikh temple was producing, as in originating, gunmen. Ack.

22 Destro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:01:28pm

re: #12 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So--we have a confused hater who somehow missed the fact that the Sikhs had nothing whatsoever to do with 9-11.

I wrote on another thread that if this was not inter-Sikh violence it was probably some stupid racist guy targeting Sikhs because they look like Muslims - the turban thing - even though Muslims don't wear turbans as happened after 9-11.

If this turns out to be an "American white guy" racist who attacked the Sikhs thinking they were Muslims - that means the right wing is so stupid they can't even identify what they hate - and that is besides the point - the GOP right wing has to be brought to account for egging on their wingnut armed and dangerous, 2nd amendment solution base.

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:01:37pm

re: #20 Learned Mother of Zion

Beach volleyball is boring.

But, I am not a red-blooded American male, they may think it's the greatest Olympic sport EVER.

I must not be red blooded then. Give me fencing instead - especially the Epee & Saber. I really can't wait for the 11th to watch modern pentathlon, though finding a stream of it may well be difficult at best.

24 danarchy  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:03:32pm

re: #20 Learned Mother of Zion

Beach volleyball is boring.

But, I am not a red-blooded American male, they may think it's the greatest Olympic sport EVER.

Only women's beach volleyball, men's beach volleyball is merely tolerable if there are no other sports on.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:04:03pm

re: #22 Destro

To be fair, nobody of stature endorses this kind of racist organization, save perhaps Ron Paul. This guy is cannot really be considered associated with the conservative mainstream, any more than Bradley Manning can be associated with the liberal mainstream.

26 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:04:07pm

re: #6 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, we've had lots of trouble with those nuts. These days they've pretty much all gone the "sovereign citizen" route which, combined with their racism, makes them an extremely dangerous bunch. I'd rather deal with drug selling bikers ... :O

Drug dealers in Baltimore actually are using Posse/Sovereign Citizen gibberish as part of their legal strategy.

27 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:04:16pm

??

28 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:04:48pm

Take out the equestrian crap, put bull riding in. Olympics fixed.

29 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:05:19pm

re: #26 Shiplord Kirel

Drug dealers in Baltimore actually are using Posse/Sovereign Citizen gibberish as part of their legal strategy.

:double facepalm:

30 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:06:08pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

Take out the equestrian crap, put bull riding in. Olympics fixed.

Running in front of the bulls!

31 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:06:18pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

Take out the equestrian crap, put bull riding in. Olympics fixed.

Or at least the running from said bulls. GOLD GOLD!

32 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:06:57pm

re: #29 William Barnett-Lewis

:double facepalm:

Good thing this story didn't come out while The Wire was still producing new episodes. Because no one would believe if you put this BS on TV.

33 Destro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:07:31pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

To be fair, nobody of stature endorses this kind of racist organization, save perhaps Ron Paul. This guy is cannot really be considered associated with the conservative mainstream, any more than Bradley Manning can be associated with the liberal mainstream.

When you have Rep. Bachmann saying what she said about Muslims and Sharia law? Or other batshit crazy laws the right was passing regarding banning mythical sharia laws?

34 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:08:15pm

What's up with Wisconsin?

It’s the area’s second mass shooting involving a religious community in the past seven years. In 2005, a gunman killed seven and then committed suicide at a church meeting in Brookfield, Wis.

35 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:08:36pm

Oh, we're hearing about the dude. Drip drip drip. 40 years old.

We will see.

36 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:08:47pm

re: #30 Learned Mother of Zion

The Running of the Bulls. [Link: encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com...]

37 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:09:28pm
38 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:09:32pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

Take out the equestrian crap, put bull riding in. Olympics fixed.

Did you watch the equestrian events? They are excellent, especially show jumping and cross country. I don't get the hating on equestrian sports.

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:10:14pm

re: #20 Learned Mother of Zion

Beach volleyball is boring.

But, I am not a red-blooded American male, they may think it's the greatest Olympic sport EVER.

As I have said, Women's beach volleyball is the closest we have come to returning to the original Olympic tradition of performing in the nude.

40 Khorramdin  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:10:56pm

re: #22 Destro

re: #22 Destro

I wrote on another thread that if this was not inter-Sikh violence it was probably some stupid racist guy targeting Sikhs because they look like Muslims - the turban thing - even though Muslims don't wear turbans as happened after 9-11.

If this turns out to be an "American white guy" racist who attacked the Sikhs thinking they were Muslims - that means the right wing is so stupid they can't even identify what they hate - and that is besides the point - the GOP right wing has to be brought to account for egging on their wingnut armed and dangerous, 2nd amendment solution base.

I don't get it. These bigots had 10 years to learn the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. But I suppose if someone has the mental capability to commit mass murder, even the most basic religious differences are irrelevant.

41 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:11:12pm

re: #32 Dark_Falcon

Good thing this story didn't come out while The Wire was still producing new episodes. Because no one would believe if you put this BS on TV.

Maybe they'll make new episodes now?

42 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:12:27pm

re: #27 Stanley Sea

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Also of note: Sending members to serve a hitch in the Army is a tactic sometimes seen with gangs of many races in the US. The idea being to have the military train the men so that they come back far more lethal and can use their skills to teach others and improve the marksman ship of the entire gang that way. The Army actively works to prevent this tactic, but is not always successful.

Note: This is one point that should not be linked to conservatism in any shape or form. Skinhead gangs use this sort of infiltration tactic, but some do Latino and African-American gangs. It's a crime thing, not a racial or political thing.

43 danarchy  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:12:32pm

re: #39 Mostly sane, most of the time.

As I have said, Women's beach volleyball is the closest we have come to returning to the original Olympic tradition of performing in the nude.

If only that were true. Men's diving get's that title though.

44 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:12:36pm

re: #40 Khorramdin

re: #22 Destro

I don't get it. These bigots had 10 years to learn the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. But I suppose if someone has the mental capability to commit mass murder, even the most basic religious differences are irrelevant.

Sikhs do not equal Hindus do not equal Buddhists do not equal Muslims.

That's why they all have different names.

45 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:13:24pm

re: #38 funky chicken

the horse doesn't get the medal

46 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:14:00pm

re: #38 funky chicken

I don't get the hating on equestrian sports.

It's an intrinsically elitist activity, far worse than sailing which is it's closest Olympic competitor for cost of entry. Maybe it didn't used to be, like a century ago, but modern land, feed, transport, training, veterinarian and insurance costs put it way outside the average middle class lifestyle.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:14:15pm

re: #37 Stanley Sea

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Rules this guy likely followed. He had one handgun, no sort of "assault weapon". His main tool was having a tactical outfit that put his mags near to hand and he was trained in their rapid use.

48 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:14:16pm

I see that the idiot-o-sphere (HotAir, FreeRepublic, TheBlaze, etc.) are not able to digest this story. To them, it's clearly the fault of Obama, or Chomsky, or "librul" education, or something like that.

The professional hate industry is something to behold, but then again, it's been around for a very long time.

49 JamesWI  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:14:19pm

re: #38 funky chicken

Did you watch the equestrian events? They are excellent, especially show jumping and cross country. I don't get the hating on equestrian sports.

Because the horses are the real athletes, while the "athletes" are essentially animal trainers.

We might as well put the Westminster Dog Show into the Olympics.

50 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:14:20pm

re: #21 freetoken

Sometimes the use of the English language can allow for ambiguities:

The problem with that phrase is that the first time I read this (and I've not been up on the news all day) is that I thought that the Sikh temple was producing, as in originating, gunmen. Ack.

Yeah, I had to read that twice as well. Didn't make sense the first time.

51 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:14:26pm

re: #44 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Sikhs do not equal Hindus do not equal Buddhists do not equal Muslims.

That's why they all have different names.

They are all "Them". So are you and I.

52 Destro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:15:23pm

re: #40 Khorramdin

re: #22 Destro

I don't get it. These bigots had 10 years to learn the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. But I suppose if someone has the mental capability to commit mass murder, even the most basic religious differences are irrelevant.

On the positive side that means America's potential right wing terrorists are morons. On the negative side, that means America's potential right wing terrorists are morons.

53 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:15:24pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

It's an intrinsically elitist activity, far worse than sailing which is it's closest Olympic competitor for cost of entry. Maybe it didn't used to be, like a century ago, but modern land, feed, transport, training, veterinarian and insurance costs put it way outside the average middle class lifestyle.

Kind of like golf, tennis, cars and computers.

54 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:15:50pm

re: #50 ggt

Compound nouns, words that can be either adjectives or nouns, etc. My, isn't English fun.

55 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:16:16pm

re: #49 JamesWI


This. At least with bull riding and some rodeo events, you have some physical prowess and testicular fortitude.

This equestrian crap is in the Olympics so the ultra-rich and nobility can call themselves Olympic athletes.

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:18:06pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

It's an intrinsically elitist activity, far worse than sailing which is it's closest Olympic competitor for cost of entry. Maybe it didn't used to be, like a century ago, but modern land, feed, transport, training, veterinarian and insurance costs put it way outside the average middle class lifestyle.

I read a very interesting history of the templars. People have always wondered where all the money they were given went.

Truth is, they spent it. On being knights. Having and maintaining both a war horse and a squire is very expensive.

57 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:18:45pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Most of the best golfers in history came from the middle and lower class

58 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:18:49pm

re: #56 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I read a very interesting history of the templars. People have always wondered where all the money they were given went.

Truth is, they spent it. On being knights. Having and maintaining both a war horse and a squire is very expensive.

I thought the King of France got it. . . . :)

59 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:19:47pm

Not really off topic...

I've been watching National Review (Online) post Derbyshire to see how they are transforming themselves, or not... Since I don't read it regularly I miss some articles, such as this one from Stanley Kurtz from 6 days ago:

Burn Down the Suburbs?
Not exactly, but Obama is already working to get rid of them.

Geez... "burn down" the suburbs, that's what he indirectly accuses President Obama of wanting?

Dog whistle much?

Sure enough, the dogs come running:

da most 08/02/12 13:06
Dems destroyed the inner cities with FORCED integration. After forced integration the blacks destroyed the neighborhoods and schools with crime, litter and graffiti.
Can anyone list ANY neighbohrood or school that ever improved after integration?
Why do affluent Dems never live in black neighborhoods or send their kids to black schools?
Why did Will Smith's mom send him to live with his auntie in Bel Air?

They really do earn Gus' pet phrase for that outlet.

60 Destro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:19:55pm

re: #49 JamesWI

Because the horses are the real athletes, while the "athletes" are essentially animal trainers.

We might as well put the Westminster Dog Show into the Olympics.

In the original Olympics the horses in the races were awarded the prize (the owners of the horses), even if the jockey fell off. It did not matter. With that said, I wish horse racing was an olympic event because it was an original greek event more so than the dressage or steeple events.

61 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:21:15pm

re: #53 Killgore Trout

Kind of like golf, tennis, cars and computers.

Except not really at all. The costs of competitive horse ownership massively dwarf all of these, and as a prerequisite demand the ownership of a truck and equestrian trailer. Evidenced by the fact that the Romney's claimed $77K in losses for one year based on fractional ownership of their dressage horse. It's not the kind of thing you get heavily involved in unless you're unbelievably wealthy or well connected. Comparatively golf, tennis, driving and computers require very little in the way of a financial investment.

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:21:52pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Also of note: Sending members to serve a hitch in the Army is a tactic sometimes seen with gangs of many races in the US. The idea being to have the military train the men so that they come back far more lethal and can use their skills to teach others and improve the marksman ship of the entire gang that way. The Army actively works to prevent this tactic, but is not always successful.

Note: This is one point that should not be linked to conservatism in any shape or form. Skinhead gangs use this sort of infiltration tactic, but some do Latino and African-American gangs. It's a crime thing, not a racial or political thing.

First I've heard of this conspiracy. Get your training from the Army? Really? Gang members think this deeply and want to leave their hoods and current income? Makes no sense, and I don't believe it.

63 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:22:13pm

re: #57 SpaceJesus

Most of the best golfers in history came from the middle and lower class

Exactly, because there are public golf courses. I've never heard of a public dressage ring.

64 Destro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:22:17pm

re: #56 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I read a very interesting history of the templars. People have always wondered where all the money they were given went.

Truth is, they spent it. On being knights. Having and maintaining both a war horse and a squire is very expensive.

Yes and no. By the time the French king took down the Templars they had lost what generated them their wealth, which was the loss of the Holy land to Saladin. Their wealth came from pilgrims depositing money with them. No more pilgrims and no more wealth.

65 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:27:19pm

And right on cue.

66 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:27:43pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

First I've heard of this conspiracy. Get your training from the Army? Really? Gang members think this deeply and want to leave their hoods and current income? Makes no sense, and I don't believe it.

Biography had a "Gangland" episode about it that detailed the phenomenon.

67 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:28:35pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

First I've heard of this conspiracy. Get your training from the Army? Really? Gang members think this deeply and want to leave their hoods and current income? Makes no sense, and I don't believe it.

This certainly isn't the first I've heard of it, for what little that's worth.

68 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:29:15pm

re: #39 Mostly sane, most of the time.

As I have said, Women's beach volleyball is the closest we have come to returning to the original Olympic tradition of performing in the nude.

Men's diving.

69 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:30:02pm

re: #65 Cap'n Magic

And right on cue.

And eyewitnesses never get things wrong... riiight. Jones is reaching like he usually does, looking for anything no matter how dubious that can "contradict to official account of events".

70 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:30:45pm

re: #66 Dark_Falcon

re: #67 erik_t

OK, wow. Bet this guy isn't that at all though. He's 40. Been out of the army for awhile I bet, and not affiliated with a gang I bet.

71 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:31:45pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

re: #67 erik_t

OK, wow. Bet this guy isn't that at all though. He's 40. Been out of the army for awhile I bet, and not affiliated with a gang I bet.

I agree; at the moment his military service seems more likely to be unrelated.

72 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:31:51pm

re: #67 erik_t

This certainly isn't the first I've heard of it, for what little that's worth.

There were a few cases while I was at HQDA, mostly white supremacists. For the most part, the gangbangers can't make it past the recruiting, training, and drug surveillance processes.

73 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:32:15pm

re: #55 SpaceJesus

This. At least with bull riding and some rodeo events, you have some physical prowess and testicular fortitude.

This equestrian crap is in the Olympics so the ultra-rich and nobility can call themselves Olympic athletes.

And even the whitey-white sports like golf, tennis and polo, have been overtaken by minority athletes.

74 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:32:17pm

Wait, I thought there was some differnt euphmism for white gangs. Supremicist Organizations or Para-Military???, because, well, you know, White people don't join gangs.

/gah

rent-a cops, neighborhood watch wannabes . . .

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:32:38pm

Not going away Mitt.

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:33:50pm

re: #70 Stanley Sea

re: #67 erik_t

OK, wow. Bet this guy isn't that at all though. He's 40. Been out of the army for awhile I bet, and not affiliated with a gang I bet.

Maybe maybe not. If he got caught up in stop loss he could been kept in or, don't forget, 18 + 20 years = retirement at 38 years old.

77 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:34:30pm

re: #74 ggt

Wait, I thought there was some differnt euphmism for white gangs. Supremicist Organizations or Para-Military???, because, well, you know, White people don't join gangs.

/gah

I don't use any euphemisms: Gangs are all criminal organizations, and I use the same terminology for all of them. Call it my own personal effort to keep the language racially neutral.

78 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:34:45pm

re: #63 goddamnedfrank

Exactly, because there are public golf courses. I've never heard of a public dressage ring.

But there are public polo grounds.

79 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:35:33pm

Why do we not have rugby in the Olympics?

How can curling be a sport, and not rugby?

80 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:36:16pm

re: #42 Dark_Falcon

Also of note: Sending members to serve a hitch in the Army is a tactic sometimes seen with gangs of many races in the US. The idea being to have the military train the men so that they come back far more lethal and can use their skills to teach others and improve the marksman ship of the entire gang that way.

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

I guess I'm just responding to Dark's hypothesis in this case. Seems so unlikely that this guy was in a gang, and not just a fucked up murderous bigot/racist.

81 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:37:39pm

re: #74 ggt

Wait, I thought there was some differnt euphmism for white gangs. Supremicist Organizations or Para-Military???, because, well, you know, White people don't join gangs.

/gah

rent-a cops, neighborhood watch wannabes . . .

I think it's fair to say that a supremacist organization tends to envision wide-sweeping sociopolitical goals greater than itself; I tend to think of gangs as being pretty pragmatic us-versus-them live-till-tomorrow. It's not unreasonable to have different terminology for the two.

82 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:37:54pm

re: #79 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Why do we not have rugby in the Olympics?

How can curling be a sport, and not rugby?

Because rugby isn't so much a sport as it is hooliganism?

83 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:38:00pm

What The Princess is currently following:

[Link: amymebberson.tumblr.com...]

84 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:38:34pm

We don't know anything yet, so I'm just speculatin' but I think this guy was inspired by the Colorado shootings and the Sikh temple was just a target of opportunity.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:39:42pm

re: #80 Stanley Sea

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

I guess I'm just responding to Dark's hypothesis in this case. Seems so unlikely that this guy was in a gang, and not just a fucked up murderous bigot/racist.

I hear you, I was just trying to put down some connectors in case we needed them. It was a thought that occurred to me, and one I thought it OK to air. As always, time will give us more background to work with.

86 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:40:41pm

re: #82 freetoken

Because rugby isn't so much a sport as it is hooliganism?

It has a ball, scores, referees, and rules of play.

It's international (which is more than you can say about American football), and has leagues.

Also, to drag forward an Olympic controversy, why does the Olympics give out one set of medals to Ice Skating? Could you imagine if we gave out one set of medals to gymnastics?

87 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:42:45pm

re: #46 goddamnedfrank

It's an intrinsically elitist activity, far worse than sailing which is it's closest Olympic competitor for cost of entry. Maybe it didn't used to be, like a century ago, but modern land, feed, transport, training, veterinarian and insurance costs put it way outside the average middle class lifestyle.

My daughter does show jumping, and it is really expensive, but it's also beautiful. It's certainly more appealing than rodeo, and the horses are treated better.

88 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:42:57pm

re: #86 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It's international (which is more than you can say about American football), and has leagues.

Fact: Simon Fraser University participates in regular NCAA football.

PEDANTRY KNIGHTS ASSEMBLE

89 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:43:36pm

Right wing rhetoric has been getting incredibly xenophobic and apocalyptic since Obama's election.

Draw your own conclusions.

90 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:45:25pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I hear you, I was just trying to put down some connectors in case we needed them. It was a thought that occurred to me, and one I thought it OK to air. As always, time will give us more background to work with.

I really doubt the skinhead gangs are organized or disciplined enough to send folks through the military so they can use their talents 10 years down the road. It's much more likely this POS is just a POS who happened to have served in the US Army.

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:46:54pm

So the tactical gear referred to earlier is...out of the picture? Was an error?

92 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:47:07pm

re: #69 Dark_Falcon

Hey, the dude has to fill his airtime out, after all. But the last time I tried to 'listen' to his show, it was like 2/3rd commercials and 1/3rd of his babbling.

Thank FSM for BBC World Service.

93 danarchy  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:47:14pm

re: #86 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It has a ball, scores, referees, and rules of play.

It's international (which is more than you can say about American football), and has leagues.

Also, to drag forward an Olympic controversy, why does the Olympics give out one set of medals to Ice Skating? Could you imagine if we gave out one set of medals to gymnastics?

Not sure I understand the point about ice skating? there are lots of skating events. Speed skating at different lengths, figure skating singles and doubles, probably others, but skating has never really been something I have been into.

94 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:47:33pm

Mkay. Reputable news sites are saying that there are conflicting reports about how many gunmen there were.

It's as if people don't stop and coolly observe while someone's shooting at them, or something.

Infowars is happy to tell you that there were four, though.

95 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:49:42pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

So the tactical gear referred to earlier is...out of the picture? Was an error?

Tactical gear is kind of a fashion statement. Not necessarily body armor, just pants with lots of pockets for ammunition.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:51:11pm

re: #92 Cap'n Magic

Hey, the dude has to fill his airtime out, after all. But the last time I tried to 'listen' to his show, it was like 2/3rd commercials and 1/3rd of his babbling.

Thank FSM for BBC World Service.

The Beeb has its problems, but its international service is professional and works to be informative rather than inflammatory.

97 jaunte  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:51:29pm

There will probably be an uptick in tactical gear purchases in the next couple of weeks.

98 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:51:29pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

So the tactical gear referred to earlier is...out of the picture? Was an error?

You'd have to define 'tactical gear' first.

Have fun!

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:52:36pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Tactical gear is kind of a fashion statement. Not necessarily body armor, just pants with lots of pockets for ammunition.

Tactical pants. Gotcha.

100 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:53:00pm

re: #97 jaunte

There will probably be an uptick in tactical gear purchases in the next couple of weeks.

And Cheetos & Mountain Dew. //

101 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:53:13pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Tactical gear is kind of a fashion statement. Not necessarily body armor, just pants with lots of pockets for ammunition.

Sometimes it really is the little things that can make a big difference, for good or evil. In this case, one thing the Army probably did teach this asshole was how to reload swiftly.

102 dragonath  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:15pm

Utilikilts!

103 allegro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:23pm

What I've been trying to figure has to do with something a newscaster said earlier on CNN. She said a priest had been killed and the president (presumably of the congregation) had tried to tackle the gunman and was shot... in the back. How? I can't figure out how a guy tackling the gunman could possibly get shot in the back. It's a puzzlement.

104 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:31pm

re: #98 erik_t

You'd have to define 'tactical gear' first.

Have fun!

National Stock Numbers 8465-00-001-xxxx

105 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:33pm

Tactical chaps ... yes ... really.

106 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:35pm

re: #28 SpaceJesus

Take out the equestrian crap, put bull riding in. Olympics fixed.

And is that a whiff of redneck jingoism? I suppose there's rodeo in Central and South America also, but I don't imagine a true international appeal.

107 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:51pm

re: #93 danarchy

Not sure I understand the point about ice skating? there are lots of skating events. Speed skating at different lengths, figure skating singles and doubles, probably others, but skating has never really been something I have been into.

I would like to see short program and long program have separate medals.

It would lead to specialists, and possibly make things more interesting.

108 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:54:59pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

And Cheetos & Mountain Dew. //

Don't tell me you've gone Stalker now?

//That line is a riff on how the Stalkers routinely spew at Charles by saying he eats lots of Cheetos. They seem to think its funny, though no one else does.

109 jaunte  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:55:17pm

re: #106 funky chicken

The Mongolians would be contenders.

110 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:55:45pm

re: #97 jaunte

There will probably be an uptick in tactical gear purchases in the next couple of weeks.

Yes. Because after this tactical gear will surely be banned.

//Wingnut logic.

111 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:55:46pm

re: #108 Dark_Falcon

Don't tell me you've gone Stalker now?

//That line is a riff on how the Stalkers routinely spew at Charles by saying he eats lots of Cheetos. They seem to think its funny, though no one else does.

Heh, no, just making fun of the keyboard warriors.

112 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:56:37pm

re: #103 allegro

What I've been trying to figure has to do with something a newscaster said earlier on CNN. She said a priest had been killed and the president (presumably of the congregation) had tried to tackle the gunman and was shot... in the back. How? I can't figure out how a guy tackling the gunman could possibly get shot in the back. It's a puzzlement.

Maybe he missed and fell or flew past him?

113 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 6:59:45pm

re: #100 CuriousLurker

And Cheetos & Mountain Dew. //

I have to admit. I would never pass up a bottle of Mt. Dew and a bag of Cheetos.

114 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:00:03pm

re: #103 allegro

What I've been trying to figure has to do with something a newscaster said earlier on CNN. She said a priest had been killed and the president (presumably of the congregation) had tried to tackle the gunman and was shot... in the back. How? I can't figure out how a guy tackling the gunman could possibly get shot in the back. It's a puzzlement.

Tackling somebody doesn't mean you've got their arms pinned.

115 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:00:06pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Tactical gear is kind of a fashion statement. Not necessarily body armor, just pants with lots of pockets for ammunition.

Heh. I just had to buy new scrubs for school. I could hold a fair amount of ammo in those too. I guess we all have our uniforms.

116 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:00:40pm

re: #113 Gus

I have to admit. I would never pass up a bottle of Mt. Dew and a bag of Cheetos.

Now you're just screwing with them.

117 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:00:49pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

Tactical chaps ... yes ... really.

Threat Level IIIA, which will stop the great majority of handgun rounds, even 10mm. It's also good for dealing with bomb fragments or shrapnel.

I learned about protection levels while researching attendees for a conference Marcus Evens put on last fall on Warfighter Protection. I'm not some nutcase who wants armor for a shooting spree, I just wanted to learn more about what our troops have and will need in the future.

118 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:01:53pm

re: #110 Gus

Yes. Because after this tactical gear will surely be banned.

//Wingnut logic.

Pockets have been banned!?

Welp, I suppose that explains Star Trek.

/

119 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:03:35pm

re: #111 CuriousLurker

Heh, no, just making fun of the keyboard warriors.

Ah yes, that storied unit, the 111th Loveseat Stormtroopers*.

*: 111th is said as "Eleventy-First". The unit nickname is "The Flabby Fascists".

120 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:04:28pm

re: #110 Gus

Yes. Because after this tactical gear will surely be banned.

//Wingnut logic.

Actually, why do civilians need to purchase tactical gear? Hell, my husband's a military pilot, and he doesn't own tactical gear.

Anyway, I hope many of this douchebag's friends and family members enjoy their encounters with the FBI and whatever rapid-response teams that are deployed to search their homes. Rock their worlds, fellas.

121 Kaessa  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:05:43pm

re: #105 goddamnedfrank

They're tacti-COOL! //

122 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:07:15pm

re: #120 funky chicken

Actually, why do civilians need to purchase tactical gear? Hell, my husband's a military pilot, and he doesn't own tactical gear.

Anyway, I hope many of this douchebag's friends and family members enjoy their encounters with the FBI and whatever rapid-response teams that are deployed to search their homes. Rock their worlds, fellas.

A pair of pants is a pair of pants, even if it has pockets for magazines. Not a thing to restrict. Civilians may not need such things, but trying to outlaw it would be just silly.

123 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:07:24pm

re: #86 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It has a ball, scores, referees, and rules of play.

It's international (which is more than you can say about American football), and has leagues.

Look, the "Dancesport" folk have been trying to get it into the winter olympics for a long time, and is is practiced in most of the olympic participating nations... but to no avail.

The Olympics is about money on an international scale (hence the involvement of Romney), not necessarily what really is "sports" or not.

That's why women's beach volleyball was so eagerly greeted by the media companies - they know they can get higher ratings with that than some of the other stuff.

124 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:07:33pm

Ugh. First ATT and now Xfinity screwing up. Must be some local router involved.

125 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:07:59pm

Oh, people—check out this new species of amphibian biologists found in Brazil when they were studying a drained river in preparation for the construction of a new dam. (Remember: once seen, it cannot be unseen. You've been warned.)

126 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:08:34pm

re: #120 funky chicken

Actually, why do civilians need to purchase tactical gear? Hell, my husband's a military pilot, and he doesn't own tactical gear.

Anyway, I hope many of this douchebag's friends and family members enjoy their encounters with the FBI and whatever rapid-response teams that are deployed to search their homes. Rock their worlds, fellas.

You know these guys. Some of them are preparing for the next civil war or something. I think they actually wish there was one.

127 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:08:40pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

Oh, people—check out this new species of amphibian biologists found in Brazil when they were studying a drained river in preparation for the construction of a new dam. (Remember once seen, it cannot be unseen. You've been warned.)

Image: Kill-it-with-fire-random-29296574-256-192.gif

128 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:09:35pm

re: #121 Kaessa

They're tacti-COOL! //

It's not a bad idea, actually. It will protect your upper legs from shrapnel and small arms fire. I can't see it as practical for normal use, but if you were doing convoy escort or assaulting a drug lab or terrorist hideout ballistic chaps could prove useful.

129 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:09:59pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

Journalist humor: "They know nothing about its sex life."

130 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:10:16pm

re: #121 Kaessa

They're tacti-COOL!

I just love the blithe disregard for crotch protection. Yeah sure, bullet fragments are flying everywhere but what's important is that my boys can breathe.

131 jaunte  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:10:19pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

Researchers have called the eyeless creature, known formally as Atretochoana eiselti, a "floppy snake,"

Oh sure, that's exactly what they called it.

132 funky chicken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:10:52pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

A pair of pants is a pair of pants, even if it has pockets for magazines. Not a thing to restrict. Civilians may not need such things, but trying to outlaw it would be just silly.

Sorry, but I'm not sure it should be legal for civilians to buy stuff like that freak in Aurora had on when he shot up the theater.

Anyway, good night!

133 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:11:07pm

re: #125 CuriousLurker

Oh, people—check out this new species of amphibian biologists found in Brazil when they were studying a drained river in preparation for the construction of a new dam. (Remember: once seen, it cannot be unseen. You've been warned.)

Please submit that warning to Harmony Gold.

134 calochortus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:11:14pm

re: #45 SpaceJesus

the horse doesn't get the medal

Yes, the horse does get a medal. My brother and I were discussing it the other night and he came up with this:

In Olympic Equestrian competition men and women athletes compete on the same course using the same rules. In Equestrian competitions, not only in the Olympics, rider and horse are considered a team. It will take years of effort and practice for the horse and rider as a team to be able to perform at a high level in the various required routines and tasks they will be asked to perform. When an Olympic medal is won, both the horse and rider are declared Olympic medal winners.”

From http://www.fuzilogik.com/Sports-Library/Equestrian/Equestrian-Rules.html.

135 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:11:17pm

The private security guards who work outside the only abortion clinic in this area wear body armor. They tell me it is their only posting where they routinely do so. They are confronted by a mob of regular protesters every day the clinic is open. One of the protesters' favorite taunts is "get a real job," this from people who have nothing better to do than stand around in the sun being a nuisance, and directed at people whose jobs are so real they require guns and body armor.

136 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:12:24pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

I just love the blithe disregard for crotch protection. Yeah sure, bullet fragments are flying everywhere but what's important is that my boys can breathe.

It's designed to be used with vests that have groin protectors is why it has none such protection of its own. Many vests have such a feature.

137 danarchy  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:12:37pm

re: #120 funky chicken

Actually, why do civilians need to purchase tactical gear? Hell, my husband's a military pilot, and he doesn't own tactical gear.

Me and my friends go out and do paintball a few times a year. Some of the weekend warriors we see who do woodsball get dressed in full tactical gear. I think it's a little silly, but if they are having fun, why not.

138 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:13:34pm

re: #126 Gus

You know these guys. Some of them are preparing for the next civil war or something. I think they actually wish there was one.

Here is a cache link to a Birmingham group worth studying. Their leader achieved a little Fox consultant fame pushing Fast & Furious.

[Link: www.google.com...]

139 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:13:48pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

It's designed to be used with vests that have groin protectors is why it has none such protection of its own. Many vests have such a feature.

Never mind the immense arteries near the skin in this region.

But don't let facts get in the way of the snark.

140 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:14:04pm

re: #132 funky chicken

Sorry, but I'm not sure it should be legal for civilians to buy stuff like that freak in Aurora had on when he shot up the theater.

Anyway, good night!

What he had was full torso coverage body armor, leg armor, a helmet, and a gas mask. A far cry from a pair of pants.

141 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:14:40pm

re: #132 funky chicken

Sorry, but I'm not sure it should be legal for civilians to buy stuff like that freak in Aurora had on when he shot up the theater.

Anyway, good night!

Depends on where you are, perhaps. All of it is over-the-counter at my local surplus store.

142 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:16:08pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

A pair of pants is a pair of pants, even if it has pockets for magazines. Not a thing to restrict. Civilians may not need such things, but trying to outlaw it would be just silly.

Carpenter's pants: next on the list of things civilians don't need?

143 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:17:13pm

re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist

Carpenter's pants: next on the list of things civilians don't need?

If we outlaw carpenters, only carpenters will be outlaws.

Or somethin'... I always get this one confused.

144 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:17:21pm

re: #138 Decatur Deb

Here is a cache link to a Birmingham group worth studying. Their leader achieved a little Fox consultant fame pushing Fast & Furious.

[Link: www.google.com...]

Oh god. Those idiots.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:17:29pm

re: #139 erik_t

Never mind the immense arteries near the skin in this region.

But don't let facts get in the way of the snark.

If I'm right, upding me. But don't be too hard on GDF. He likely hadn't thought about the chaps use as part of a full armor set. Heck, I try to stay on top of military matters, and even I didn't know much about body armor till 11 months ago.

146 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:18:14pm

re: #122 Dark_Falcon

A pair of pants is a pair of pants, even if it has pockets for magazines. Not a thing to restrict. Civilians may not need such things, but trying to outlaw it would be just silly.

When pants are outlawed, only outlaws will wear pants.

147 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:19:32pm

re: #144 Gus

Oh god. Those idiots.

We call them 'neighbors' around here.

148 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:20:47pm

re: #145 Dark_Falcon

If I'm right, upding me. But don't be too hard on GDF. He likely hadn't thought about the chaps use as part of a full armor set. Heck, I try to stay on top of military matters, and even I didn't know much about body armor till 11 months ago.

Item of perennial erik_t frustration: there are lots of things in this world that don't make sense. They mask the substantial majority of things that do make sense; things that are the way they are for a relatively good reason.

149 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:21:07pm

re: #136 Dark_Falcon

It's designed to be used with vests that have groin protectors is why it has none such protection of its own. Many vests have such a feature.

No excuse.
It gets double armor.
XD

150 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:21:46pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

No excuse.
It gets double armor.
XD

That's not going to fool her.

151 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:22:14pm

re: #150 erik_t

That's not going to fool her.

Ouch.
/

152 allegro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:24:22pm

re: #114 goddamnedfrank

Tackling somebody doesn't mean you've got their arms pinned.

I'm not talking about pinning his arms, but about the direction he had to be facing if he was trying to tackle the guy. He would be running/moving towards him, not away.

153 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:24:27pm

re: #149 Varek Raith

No excuse.
It gets double armor.
XD

Armor is heavy, Varek, and its weight fatigues non-Sith somewhat quickly. ;)

154 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:24:29pm

re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist

Carpenter's pants: next on the list of things civilians don't need?

Cargo pants are brilliant if you're somewhere you're going to be walking around all day, like Disneyworld.

Putting keys and cameras in your side pocket is great.

155 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:24:51pm

re: #147 Decatur Deb

We call them 'nieghbors' around here.

Many of these folks are just plain bonkers. They've been at it ever since 9/11. Roughly speaking the blogs didn't start right away but in any case that means they been engaging in some kind of derangement almost every day for close to 10 years.

156 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:26:42pm

Bring it, bitches
Gobind De Lal

Youtube Video
157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:27:06pm
158 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:27:56pm

re: #152 allegro

I'm not talking about pinning his arms, but about the direction he had to be facing if he was trying to tackle the guy. He would be running/moving towards him, not away.

Right, but as a person tackles they often lunge shoulder first into their opponent's midsection, exposing their back for a downward shot.

159 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:29:17pm

I take Efexor XR as an antidepressant. Because it's an extended release tablet, it's supposed to last roughly 24 hours. When I take them it lasts about 21-22 hours so the last couple of hours before I take another pill, I'm suffering withdrawal symptoms, which in this case is falling asleep. This is nothing too problematic because I take them first thing in the morning so the last couple of hours before the alarm goes off, I'm sleeping well with some pretty strange and colourful dreams. Calling them weird-ass wouldn't be too far off.

This morning, being a day when there is no alarm meant the weird-ass dreams were a little longer than usual. I dreamt I was back in university taking psych classes which are usually held in smaller classrooms rather than in auditoriums. In this particular class, one of the students was Curious Lurker, which in itself isn't unusual, I frequently have people I know online somewhere in the dream. I probably spend too much time online.

The weird thing about this dream was CL was in what I can only call blue face. Her face was completely painted in a rich blue colour, similar to what you might expect a Pict to wear.

So, CL, do you have any crazy Scots in your heritage, or is my brain just mixing the online world with the painted faces of CFL fans?

160 weave  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:31:22pm

The story is on Fox Nation. Usual crazy comments, but what is really disturbing is "what the nation says the story is" -- get this -- inspiring


The Nation Says This Post Is
Inspiring

Offensive: 1
Funny: 3
Cool: 0
Obnoxious: 3
Scary: 55
Inspiring: 116
Crazy: 13

161 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:32:09pm

re: #160 weave

The story is on Fox Nation. Usual crazy comments, but what is really disturbing is "what the nation says the story is" -- get this -- inspiring

Wwwhhhhhhhhhh

162 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:32:48pm
163 allegro  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:33:18pm

re: #158 goddamnedfrank

Right, but as a person tackles they often lunge shoulder first into their opponent's midsection, exposing their back for a downward shot.

Ah. Thanks! That's been bugging me.

164 calochortus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:34:31pm

re: #160 weave

Perhaps the "inspiring" part is the way the local authorities dealt with it?
I hope?

165 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:35:14pm

re: #162 Gus

[Embedded content]

I hope it doesn't have to stop and ask for directions.

166 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:35:28pm

lone gunman

dog help us if they're ever not 'lone'

and btw - wtf is a "9-11 tattoo"??

167 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:35:29pm

re: #164 calochortus

Perhaps the "inspiring" part is the way the local authorities dealt with it?
I hope?

They'd need to have invented a fucking time machine for 'inspiring' to win out over 'crazy' or 'scary'.

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:35:57pm

re: #159 b_sharp

lol, I guess. Not speaking for CL, poor blue thing!

169 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:36:19pm

re: #155 Gus

Many of these folks are just plain bonkers. They've been at it ever since 9/11. Roughly speaking the blogs didn't start right away but in any case that means they been engaging in some kind of derangement almost every day for close to 10 years.

Many started under Clinton, some probably go back to the Earl Warren court.

170 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:36:25pm

Hi all. Finally was able to register. :)


Charles: I was here before as Jadespring(I think, it was Jade-something or other)---One of the Canadians. Couldn't remember my password and the recovery wouldn't work. I emailed about it but didn't hear anything back so I registered again. If there is an issue just let me know.

Oh and hi everyone that I remember from before. Nice to see so many people still around.

171 calochortus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:37:08pm

re: #167 erik_t

They'd need to have invented a fucking time machine for 'inspiring' to win out over 'crazy' or 'scary'.

Why? Was this before any information came out?
In any event it's better than "funny" which seems to have garnered 3 votes.

172 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:37:47pm

You know, its almost as if that that terrorism report from a few years ago saying a major concern for domestic terrorism would be white nationalists and other home grown sources, the report the wingnuts said was ridiculous and obviously biased, pretty much nailed it.

173 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:37:58pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Oh and hi everyone that I remember from before. Nice to see so many people still around.

Welcome back, repeat hatchling :) I wondered what had happened to you. How's your farm been coping in this hideous Ontario heat wave/drought?

oh, since you were gone, Charles added a feature that let us use our display names to post comments instead of default username. Mouse over unfamiliar nics to see if there's an original LGF username

174 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:38:20pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Hi all. Finally was able to register. :)

Charles: I was here before as Jadespring(I think, it was Jade-something or other)---One of the Canadians. Couldn't remember my password and the recovery wouldn't work. I emailed about it but didn't hear anything back so I registered again. If there is an issue just let me know.

Oh and hi everyone that I remember from before. Nice to see so many people still around.

We don't need no stinkin' Canadians.

Wait.

Um...

175 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:39:00pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Nothing like blood in the political waters to bring the Canadians back.

176 sagehen  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:39:20pm

re: #20 Learned Mother of Zion

Beach volleyball as played by the gender I'm not attracted to is boring.

Beach volleyball as played by the gender I prefer is Teh Awesome.

177 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:40:21pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Hi all. Finally was able to register. :)

Charles: I was here before as Jadespring(I think, it was Jade-something or other)---One of the Canadians. Couldn't remember my password and the recovery wouldn't work. I emailed about it but didn't hear anything back so I registered again. If there is an issue just let me know.

Oh and hi everyone that I remember from before. Nice to see so many people still around.

You'll be happy to know I'm growing my second season of quinoa thanks to you. Lovely stuff, I can;t thank you enough for letting me know about it.

178 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:40:31pm

re: #176 sagehen

Beach volleyball as played by the gender I prefer is Teh Awesome.

So you don't re-watch Top Gun for the airplanes?

179 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:40:31pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Nothing like blood in the political waters to bring the Canadians back.

With all their beady little eyes and flapping heads so full of lies

180 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:40:42pm

re: #159 b_sharp

LOL, nope, no crazy Scots that I know of, but I did always love that battle scene in "Braveheart" where they had their faces painted.

181 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:41:18pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Hello! Hope you are well.

182 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:41:47pm

re: #170 Jadewater

Welcome back.

183 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:42:23pm

re: #173 Interesting Times

Welcome back, repeat hatchling :) I wondered what had happened to you. How's your farm been coping in this hideous Ontario heat wave/drought?

oh, since you were gone, Charles added a feature that let us use our display names to post comments instead of default username. Mouse over unfamiliar nics to see if there's an original LGF username

Good to know.

Farm is fine. Mostly because I didn't put in much of garden this year. Had trouble with a shoulder since the spring and decided to only plant some containers this year because I wasn't sure what was going to happen with it. Now I'm even more glad I didn't because I'd be spending my days hauling water and doing more rain dances.

184 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:42:58pm

re: #177 Killgore Trout

You'll be happy to know I'm growing my second season of quinoa thanks to you. Lovely stuff, I can;t thank you enough for letting me know about it.

Oh wonderful! I guess it worked for you then. Yay. :D

185 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:43:00pm

re: #172 Kragar

You know, its almost as if that that terrorism report from a few years ago saying a major concern for domestic terrorism would be white nationalists and other home grown sources, the report the wingnuts said was ridiculous and obviously biased, pretty much nailed it.

You mean the report we were told was politically motivated, was ignoring the threat of left-wing terrorists, and was proof that the Obama Admin was hostile towards (insert "conservative" demographic)? That report?

186 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:43:09pm

re: #179 Kragar

With all their beady little eyes and flapping heads so full of lies

Upding for the South Park movie reference. 'Blame Canada' was the song from the movie that received an Oscar nomination and was performed by Robin Williams at that years ceremony.

187 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:43:20pm

re: #178 Decatur Deb

So you don't re-watch Top Gun for the airplanes?

(shifty eyes)

188 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:43:51pm

re: #183 Jadewater

Good to know.

Farm is fine. Mostly because I didn't put in much of garden this year. Had trouble with a shoulder since the spring and decided to only plant some containers this year because I wasn't sure what was going to happen with it. Now I'm even more glad I didn't because I'd be spending my days hauling water and doing more rain dances.

Not frozen shoulder I hope.

189 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:44:01pm

re: #175 Decatur Deb

Nothing like blood in the political waters to bring the Canadians back.

It's a coincidence I swear!

190 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:44:39pm

re: #188 b_sharp

Not frozen shoulder I hope.

It could be. It's gotten better but I can't move it in certain directions....

191 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:45:22pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

You mean the report we were told was politically motivated, was ignoring the threat of left-wing terrorists, and was proof that the Obama Admin was hostile towards (insert "conservative" demographic)? That report?

Sounds vaguely like the one.

192 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:46:18pm

re: #190 Jadewater

It could be. It's gotten better but I can't move it in certain directions....

Keep moving it. My wife got frozen shoulder in both shoulders at the same time. One was fixed by an injection of steroids, but they had to operate on the other one.

193 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:46:54pm

So.

Looks like you guys are having another fun and crazy election year down there. Huh?


And yeah this shooting today is horrible. :( Makes me angry.

194 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:46:58pm

re: #189 Jadewater

It's a coincidence I swear!

Don't you mean... couincidense?

/

195 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:47:26pm

re: #180 CuriousLurker

LOL, nope, no crazy Scots that I know of, but I did always love that battle scene in "Braveheart" where they had their faces painted.

Maybe b_sharp dreamt you'd joined this group? ;)

196 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:47:36pm

How many Canucks do we have here?

197 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:48:27pm

re: #194 erik_t

Don't you mean... couincidense?

/

..whoosh....

I'm dense. I don't get that. lol

198 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:48:40pm

I really want one of these new iPads. Like extra hella really really.

199 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:49:01pm

re: #195 Interesting Times

Maybe b_sharp dreamt you'd joined this group? :)

That's the makeup, but CL didn't have a shaved head.

BTW, we've seen the Blue Man group twice. Quite the high energy.

200 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:49:08pm

re: #195 Interesting Times

Maybe b_sharp dreamt you'd joined this group? :)

I'm gonna have to make myself a blue faced avatar for him one of these days.

201 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:50:01pm
202 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:50:04pm

re: #199 b_sharp

That's the makeup, but CL didn't have a shaved head.

BTW, we've seen the Blue Man group twice. Quite the high energy.

Also very loud. They have a branch in Chicago as well and people I know who have seen them have all commented on the noise level.

203 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:50:05pm

re: #186 Dark_Falcon

Upding for the South Park movie reference. 'Blame Canada' was the song from the movie that received an Oscar nomination and was performed by Robin Williams at that years ceremony.

That would also be the year Trey Parker and Matt Stone showed up in evening gowns.

204 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:50:10pm

re: #197 Jadewater

..whoosh....

I'm dense. I don't get that. lol

All'y'all seem to like to add vowels like 'u' and trade c's for s's when making the 'ess' sound.

It wasn't intended to be a very deep thought.

205 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:50:44pm

re: #200 CuriousLurker

I'm gonna have to make myself a blue faced avatar for him one of these days.

But I shouldn't hold my breath, right?

206 Lidane  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:51:03pm

re: #203 Kragar

That would also be the year Trey Parker and Matt Stone showed up in evening gowns.

Trey Parker looked lovely dressed up as Jennifer Lopez. Heh.

207 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:51:04pm

One guy attacks another man for allegedly being high on bath salts and almost the next day congress was up in arms about bath salts.

Humans.

And of course it turned out he wasn't high on bath salts.

208 Jadewater  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:51:08pm

re: #204 erik_t

All'y'all seem to like to add vowels like 'u' and trade c's for s's when making the 'ess' sound.

It wasn't intended to be a very deep thought.

lol Okay.

209 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:51:30pm
210 sagehen  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

First I've heard of this conspiracy. Get your training from the Army? Really? Gang members think this deeply and want to leave their hoods and current income? Makes no sense, and I don't believe it.

It's not a new idea, bangers of various sorts have been trying it for decades -- recruiters were able to prevent most of them for a long time (that was the original point of examining tattoos and juvie records when people tried to sign up).

But by 3 or 4 years into the Iraq war, recruiting was going so badly they lowered standards and gave out a lot more "morals waivers" than they used to.

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]

211 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:52:19pm

re: #209 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

ROTFLMAO

212 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:52:28pm

Grammar.

213 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:53:01pm

re: #212 Gus

Grammar.

Is that what you call your grammy?

214 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:53:36pm

re: #199 b_sharp

That's the makeup, but CL didn't have a shaved head.

BTW, we've seen the Blue Man group twice. Quite the high energy.

Maybe I'll do it Mayan blue since it's closer to my (Mexican) heritage. I never seen any cool English, German or Spanish face paint, so I guess those ancestors are out.

215 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:54:37pm

re: #213 b_sharp

Is that what you call your grammy?

Abuella. She's pushing daisies now. Has been for close to 20 years now.

216 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:56:37pm

Image: nepal-protest-13.jpg

No pepper spray for you!

217 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:56:52pm

re: #214 CuriousLurker

Maybe I'll do it Mayan blue since it's closer to my (Mexican) heritage. I never seen any cool English, German or Spanish face paint, so I guess those ancestors are out.

That's cool.

This all we have up here.
Image: 07-410_2.jpg

218 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:57:05pm

re: #216 Gus

Image: nepal-protest-13.jpg

No pepper spray for you!

A Nepalese riot policeman (R) is hit by a flaming torch during clashes with Youth Force Wing activists of the Communist Party of Nepal (UML) during a protest demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Baburam Bhattarai in Kathmandu on August 4, 2012. The Himalayan nation plunged into political crisis after the constituent assembly was disbanded having failed to agree on a new constitution. Getty

219 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:57:20pm

we have to drive to Larkinburg, Kansas tomorrow for an elderly second cousin's funeral. I'm going to tell the kids to watch out the windows with the Detroit, GM commercial music playing in their heads so they can get in touch with their roots!/

220 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:57:23pm

re: #216 Gus

Yikes!

221 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:58:02pm

re: #220 CuriousLurker

Yikes!

Right. I first thought it was performance art or something.

222 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 7:59:13pm

re: #210 sagehen

It's not a new idea, bangers of various sorts have been trying it for decades -- recruiters were able to prevent most of them for a long time (that was the original point of examining tattoos and juvie records when people tried to sign up).

But by 3 or 4 years into the Iraq war, recruiting was going so badly they lowered standards and gave out a lot more "morals waivers" than they used to.

[Link: www.armytimes.com...]

Thankfully, the need for such waivers has gone way down. While the end of US military action in Iraq is a large part of that, another big reason is the recession. Reduced prospects for young people have made the military more attractive than it was seen as being in 2006-2007. Recruiters can once again obtain enough premium-quality recruits that they don't need to use "good quality but questionable" people anymore.

223 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:01:57pm

re: #218 Gus

A Nepalese riot policeman (R) is hit by a flaming torch during clashes with Youth Force Wing activists of the Communist Party of Nepal (UML) during a protest demanding the resignation of Prime Minister Baburam Bhattarai in Kathmandu on August 4, 2012. The Himalayan nation plunged into political crisis after the constituent assembly was disbanded having failed to agree on a new constitution. Getty

Damn Maoists, just because the Birchers obsess about 'em, doesn't mean the few that are left aren't scum. This bunch isn't just Communist, they specifically draw inspiration form the horrifically murderous Mao tse-Tung.

224 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:02:53pm

re: #219 prairiefire

we have to drive to Larkinburg, Kansas tomorrow for an elderly second cousin's funeral. I'm going to tell the kids to watch out the windows with the Detroit, GM commercial music playing in their heads so they can get in touch with their roots!/

Safe travels.

225 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:06:37pm

I'm sleepy. G'nite, lizards.

226 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:07:32pm

re: #225 CuriousLurker

I'm sleepy. G'nite, lizards.

Don't forget to remove your blue makeup.

227 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:12:29pm

Remember when Romney pretended to have liberal ideas when he was running against Ted Kennedy?

I do.

228 ozbloke  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:13:17pm

Ok folks,

Just gotta finish painting the patio, and cutting some wood for the barby, and put some ice in the esky. Plenty of beer nuts and chips for everyone.

Then we will be right with you.

Canberra space station to track Mars landing

The Canberra Deep Space Communication Complex (CDSCC) will play a pivotal role in the landing of a rover on Mars today.

NASA's $US2.5 billion Mars Science Laboratory, featuring a car-sized rover called Curiosity, is expected to land on Mars about 3:31pm AEST (5:31am GMT).

The mission is a first-of-its-kind attempt to drop a six-wheeled chemistry lab by rocket-powered sky crane on an alien planet.

The Canberra complex is the main tracking station for the landing.

"It will be the station providing prime contact with the Mars Science Laboratory mission as it makes its incredible seven minute entry, descent and landing on the surface of Mars, and all being well, will receive that successful touchdown signal at 3:31pm," said CDSCC spokesman Glen Nagle.

More here...

229 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:14:00pm

re: #227 Gus

Remember when Romney pretended to have liberal ideas when he was running against Ted Kennedy?

I do.

Bit of a non sequitur, Gus.

230 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:16:08pm

re: #229 Dark_Falcon

Bit of a non sequitur, Gus.

Call my lawyers. Seriously. Let's see. We're well over 200 comments in a late night thread on a Sunday night and you're complaining about a comment I made. This is the home of non sequiturs.

Wanna talk about weed or BDSM instead?

231 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:17:20pm

re: #230 Gus

Call my lawyers. Seriously. Let's see. We're well over 200 comments in a late night thread on a Sunday night and you're complaining about a comment I made. This is the home of non sequiturs.

Wanna talk about weed or BDSM instead?

Umm, no. Carry on, then.

232 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:17:43pm

re: #79 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Why do we not have rugby in the Olympics?

How can curling be a sport, and not rugby?

Rugby was last played at the Olympics in 1924. The gold medal was won by the USA.

The Sevens version of the game (seven players a side instead of fifteen, seven to ten minute halves instead of forty minutes) will be on the programme at the 2016 Olympics.

233 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:19:30pm

Very slow news about the killer.

234 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:20:22pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Very slow news about the killer.

I'd rather slow than inaccurate.

235 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:20:34pm

re: #233 Stanley Sea

Very slow news about the killer.

They probably want to avoid the mistakes that were made in the early info during the Colorado shooting.

236 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:21:14pm
237 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:21:33pm

re: #224 Stanley Sea

Safe travels.

Thanks, it's pretty close, about an hour and a half. It will be a chance to see how bad the drought looks.

238 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:23:46pm

re: #234 Mostly sane, most of the time.

re: #235 Kragar

Ya, agreed. But they know a lot by now. I've got a sick feeling that we are over saturated, and this is not going to be covered as much. Don't know, just sad.

239 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:25:34pm
240 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:26:33pm
241 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:32:33pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Bowling team?

//

242 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:32:40pm

Scientist misspells "here" oh shit. Oh all's ok, cause he's hot.

243 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:33:02pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

One of the better NASA hairdos. I can remember when they all had crewcuts at mission control.

244 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:33:25pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

Scientist misspells "here" oh shit. Oh all's ok, cause he's hot.

In a Rockabilly way.

245 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:33:37pm

re: #239 Interesting Times

[Embedded content]

Wisconsin has rules, and that gun was likely prohibited by the Sikhs from being in their temple. But that scumbag ignored those rules when he went in to shoot the place up.

246 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:33:50pm

re: #243 prairiefire

One of the better NASA hairdos. I can remember when they all had crewcuts at mission control.

Gene Kranz. Copy.

247 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:34:07pm

re: #246 Gus

Gene Kranz. Copy.

Image: p131.jpg

248 Big Joe  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:34:17pm

re: #241 Gus

Bowling team?

//

That's what I thought at first, too. Had to zoom the picture before I saw the Curosity logo.

249 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:34:23pm

I think he looks awesome there.

250 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:35:13pm

re: #248 Big Joe

That's what I thought at first, too. Had to zoom the picture before I saw the Curosity logo.

It's the sports shirt and the lanyard... too.

251 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:35:39pm

re: #241 Gus

Bowling team?

//

I posted the NPR article about him. Amazing story. He was in a band for years in San Fran. Noticed Orion in different positions going and coming from a gig, was enthralled. Went to college, in charge of this Mars event. Fucking amazing story, I want to marry him now. Please find the article in my previous comments. Makes this whole adventure so much more interesting.

252 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:36:11pm

SP-4223 "Before This Decade Is Out..."
Chapter 6
Eugene F. KRANZ
(1933- )

[Beep.]

253 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:36:33pm

re: #247 Gus

Image: p131.jpg

Fried Chicken? lol

254 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:36:41pm

re: #251 Stanley Sea

I posted the NPR article about him. Amazing story. He was in a band for years in San Fran. Noticed Orion in different positions going and coming from a gig, was enthralled. Went to college, in charge of this Mars event. Fucking amazing story, I want to marry him now. Please find the article in my previous comments. Makes this whole adventure so much more interesting.

Awesome. Nice.

255 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:40:56pm

re: #254 Gus

Awesome. Nice.

He said he majored in sex drugs and rock n roll in HS. Had a hearse with a bed in the back. Wore a flight suit for fun.

A scientist in charge of the Mars Rover.

What else, really, in the world, could a girl want? ha ha! most intriguing guy today.

256 simoom  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:42:10pm
257 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:42:35pm
258 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:43:10pm

Curiosity live feeds, in case anyone hasn't heard that we're putting a big robot on Mars.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

259 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:43:59pm

re: #258 Mocking Jay

Curiosity live feeds, in case anyone hasn't heard that we're putting a big robot on Mars.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

We're landing on Mars? Again? What does NASA find so fascinating up there?

///

260 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:44:03pm

re: #258 Mocking Jay

Curiosity live feeds, in case anyone hasn't heard that we're putting a big robot on Mars.

[Link: www.wired.com...]

2 1/2 hours out?

261 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:44:27pm

re: #257 Gus

[Embedded content]

Dear NYPD,
Taking pics of you is not a crime.
Idiots.

262 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:45:04pm

re: #260 Gus

2 1/2 hours out?

Only two hours now. :P

263 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:45:17pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Dear NYPD,
Taking pics of you is not a crime.
Idiots.

Really. What is this Venezuela? I heard Bloomberg was chumming it up with ol' Scott Brown.

264 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:45:29pm
265 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:45:31pm

re: #262 Mocking Jay

Only two hours now. :P

I was close! ;)

266 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:47:51pm

re: #259 Targetpractice

We're landing on Mars? Again? What does NASA find so fascinating up there?

///

They're looking for Marvin, attempting to stop the Ka-boom.

267 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:48:03pm

Gene Kranz

Eugene Francis "Gene" Kranz (born August 17, 1933) is a retired NASA Flight Director and manager. Kranz served as a Flight Director, the successor to NASA founding Flight Director Chris Kraft, during the Gemini and Apollo programs, and is best known for his role in directing the successful Mission Control team efforts to save the crew of Apollo 13, which later became the subject story of a major motion picture of the same name. He is also noted for his trademark close-cut flattop hairstyle, and the wearing of dapper white "mission" vests (waistcoats), of different styles and materials made by his spouse...

[Brass horns.]

268 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:49:37pm

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

Damn Maoists, just because the Birchers obsess about 'em, doesn't mean the few that are left aren't scum. This bunch isn't just Communist, they specifically draw inspiration form the horrifically murderous Mao tse-Tung.

For a good time, try reading the Maoist International Movement's publication "MiM Notes". They do, among other things, movie reviews.

For some reason, there is a very low level of class consciousness in Hollywood's output. The MiMers keep trying.

269 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:51:03pm

re: #261 Varek Raith

Dear NYPD,
Taking pics of you is not a crime.
Idiots.

It's not really the NYPD as an agency, its police in general. Cops don't want to be photographed when arresting someone who likely won't be seen as an obvious threat, since such pictures can cause them a great deal of non-official trouble (such as hatemail, hostile phone calls, and harassment when out on patrol). That not an excuse for unlawful actions, but it can serves to explain such actions. (Whether the police subjected this photographer to such actions is uncertain at this time, and as such is not a point addressed in this post).,

270 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:51:03pm

Please stand by. For your own personal safety, and security, we have deemed that you should not have 1st Amendment rights in this instance.

Thank you for waiting.

271 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:51:42pm

re: #266 Mostly sane, most of the time.

MP3 Audio
272 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:53:02pm

re: #270 Gus

Please stand by. For your own personal safety, and security, we have deemed that you should not have 1st Amendment rights in this instance.

Thank you for waiting.

Silly citizens, 1st Amendment rights apply to corporations buying elections and funding anti-gay hate groups, not picture-taking peons.

274 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:55:00pm

re: #272 Interesting Times

Silly citizens, 1st Amendment rights apply to corporations buying elections and funding anti-gay hate groups, not picture-taking peons.

They creating a police state above the rights of the press.

A constitutional challenge.

275 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:55:30pm
276 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:55:37pm

For your security...

277 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:56:48pm

And mostly about liability, and, money.

278 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:56:54pm
279 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:57:07pm

re: #273 Ojoe

Awesome slo-mo video of testing the mach 2 deployed disc-gap-band braking 'chute for the Mars Rover

huge endeavor. And we can watch sooo much better.

280 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:57:11pm
Youtube Video

Mars braking chute, does its job for1 minute 5 seconds. (All up test footage).

Same as the post above but embedded.

281 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:57:24pm

re: #260 Gus

2 1/2 hours out?

1:32AM EST

282 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:58:26pm

re: #281 Varek Raith

1:32AM EST

1:32

283 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:58:50pm

No redo on this.

284 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 8:59:29pm

OK let's go back up.

Whaddya mean go back up?

285 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:00:12pm

re: #284 Gus

OK let's go back up.

Whaddya mean go back up?

Don't make me turn this spacecraft around!

286 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:00:47pm

re: #285 Varek Raith

Don't make me turn this spacecraft around!

Go ahead, rotating on your axis will have no effect on our vector.

287 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:01:37pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Go ahead, rotating on your axis will have no effect on our vector.

Heh.

288 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:01:52pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Go ahead, rotating on your axis will have no effect on our vector.

Pew, pew, pew!!!

[Ricochet sounds.]

289 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:02:02pm

re: #286 Obdicut

Go ahead, rotating on your axis will have no effect on our vector.

Way to ruin the threat.
Jerk.
Well, maybe I'll just open this hatch...
:P

290 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:02:32pm

re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm reading a great book with a historian witch as the main character ~ A Discovery Of Witches by Harkness. It's good, you'd like all the history stuff.[Link: deborahharkness.com...]

291 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:03:51pm
292 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:04:16pm

Looks like most of his skull is made of Kevlar, sir.

293 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:04:52pm

Mars Curiosity has a Canadian connection, by the way.

Geek-to-English Translation: it will analyze the chemical composition of rocks, integral part of the mission's "did Mars ever have life" experiments.

294 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:08:19pm

I just hope we don't have a pandemic of "copycats".

295 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:09:27pm

I think the cop involved in the shooting should be eligible for full retirement right now.

296 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:14:26pm

re: #295 Gus

I think the cop involved in the shooting should be eligible for full retirement right now.

If he needs or wants it, yes. But most cops who kill an active shooter continue on as police officers.

297 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:15:13pm

re: #296 Dark_Falcon

If he needs or wants it, yes. But most cops who kill an active shooter continue on as police officers.

Yep. Their option. ;)

298 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:22:01pm

Tonight.

We meet.

Them.

299 Randall Gross  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:22:11pm

Here's the JPL feed again

[Link: mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]

300 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:23:34pm

The erstwhile Science Fiction Channel is broadcasting an old Star Trek movie tonight. Why watch that when you can watch the real thing?

Honestly.

301 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:24:15pm

ABC News: Officials Believe 'White Supremacist' Behind 'Domestic Terrorism'

Though police have not given any details on the identity or motive of the shooter, or released the identities of the victims, sources have told ABC News the shootings are the work of a "white supremacist" or "skinhead."
This evening, the FBI and a bomb squad arrived at a home in Cudahy, Wis., near Oak Creek, and ABC News Milwaukee affiliate WISN reported the action appeared to be related to the temple shootings earlier in the day.

302 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:25:41pm

re: #300 erik_t

The erstwhile Science Fiction Channel is broadcasting an old Star Trek movie tonight. Why watch that when you can watch the real thing?

Honestly.

Depends, which ST movie?

303 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:28:36pm

Bumped again.

304 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:28:37pm

re: #302 Targetpractice

Depends, which ST movie?

If its II or VI, then its worth seeing just on its own value. If its IV, then I could go either way. The original and III could wait for another day, and Star Trek V should never be shown ever again save as a warning.

305 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:28:38pm

Sikh owned Coastal Interstate Security has a number of major federal contracts, including some outside the US and many at federal buildings around the country. Fed-hating white supremacists are well aware of this and have hatched several minor conspiracy theories about it. I wonder if it just might be part of the motive for today's attacks.

306 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:29:08pm

re: #305 Shiplord Kirel

Sikh owned Coastal Interstate Security has a number of major federal contracts, including some outside the US and many at federal buildings around the country. Fed-hating white supremacists are well aware of this and have hatched several minor conspiracy theories about it. I wonder if it just might be part of the motive for today's attacks.

Fucking nuts.

307 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:30:40pm

It's all dem illegul alyans fault.

308 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:31:49pm

I lost ma car because of dem illegul alyans.

Tune into FoxNews tonight.

309 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:32:24pm

re: #300 erik_t

The erstwhile Science Fiction Channel is broadcasting an old Star Trek movie tonight. Why watch that when you can watch the real thing?

Honestly.

Women in spandex.

Women in spandex shooting laser guns.

Women in spandex shooting laser guns while drop-kicking aliens.

310 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:33:59pm

re: #309 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Women in spandex.

Women in spandex shooting laser guns.

Women in spandex shooting laser guns while drop-kicking aliens.

Yes. Spandex has been known for its hotness from time to time.

311 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:34:50pm

re: #302 Targetpractice

Depends, which ST movie?

Insurrection. Steaming turd.

312 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:35:03pm
313 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:35:21pm

Shit hot.

314 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:35:46pm

re: #311 erik_t

Insurrection. Steaming turd.

Ugh. If it had been Nemesis, I could have at least had fun pointing out the plot holes.

315 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:38:30pm

Mouse stall.

Houston. You got that?

316 simoom  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:40:01pm

I was curious what was going on at Geller's place and apparently she was just in Stockholm w/ Spencer, hobnobbing with EDL bigwigs, going out for drinks, proudly posing for photos with them, participating in an anti-Muslim rally with that lot and working together to form some sort of joint, international, uber-bigot brigade. Geller was voted queen:

Stockholm was a wild success, far exceeding expectations on so many levels. After an extraordinary rally at Norra Bantorget in Stockholm, the heads of the leading worldwide counter-jihad organizations held a series of workshops and planning meetings. What has emerged from an intense forty-eight hour strategy session is the first activist leadership team uniting counter-jihadists in Europe, the U.S., and Australia: the President's Council of Stop Islamization of Nations (SION).

The initial members of the President's Council are SIOE's Anders Gravers; Tommy Robinson and Kevin Carroll of the EDL; Debbie Robinson of the Q Society of Australia, Robert Spencer and me. The members of the newly formed council unanimously voted to elect me Council President. I am honored. This is a momentous beginning to what I am confident will become a powerful force for defending freedom worldwide.

317 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:41:02pm

There was a story in the local paper that gave some clues about the residence being searched..
Cudahy neighborhood cordoned off

Ted Slater, a neighbor, said the property police were searching was the second floor of a two-story duplex. It's a two-story white duplex with red trim. Slater said police had been searching the other level and that police were seen on the upper-level balcony behind the building.

So I went to Google Maps and drove up and down the street and I think this is the house that best fits the description. No telling if thats the one or not but its cool how you can do that ..

318 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:42:25pm

re: #316 simoom

I was curious what was going on at Geller's place and apparently she was just in Stockholm w/ Spencer, hobnobbing with EDL bigwigs, going out for drinks, proudly posing for photos with them, participating in an anti-Muslim rally with that lot and working together to form some sort of joint, international, uber-bigot brigade. Geller was voted queen:

Inmigración? Ello? Inmigración? Ello?

Brought to you by the Liberty Party.

//

319 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:43:01pm

re: #306 Gus

Fucking nuts.

A Peronist Progressive like you would say that! You're just trying to lull the Sheeple back to sleep and keep them from learning the Troof!!1 Them Seeks aren't just foreigners, the fact that they own a security company operations nationwide reveals their threat: The people in that temple were there to be brief as to their role in the coming coup!!11 Obama will go through contractors like those so that Big Bizzness will tell the Republicans to stand aside while teams of CIS officers round up the Real Americans in the Milwaukee area and ship them off to FEMA CAMP!!!111

/racist loon

320 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:43:11pm

"El partit du libertad!"

Nova Scotia. Hey is this thing on?

321 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:46:19pm
322 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:46:40pm

re: #316 simoom

Reuters mentioned Geller in their story on the "protest", and noted that the ant-racism protestors outnumbered Geller's forces.

323 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:47:13pm

re: #321 Interesting Times

TYRANTS IN BLACK ROBES WHITE LABCOATS!!

324 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:47:41pm

re: #321 Interesting Times

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It's all a hoax! All created on a soundstage! We've never been to Mars!!!

325 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:50:17pm

re: #321 Interesting Times

This is the depressing downside of any biological experiments. You think the Real 'Murricans will believe you found evidence of life on Mars? They don't fucking believe that we can measure our own fucking weather.

326 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:50:26pm

Anyone for a little insanity breaK? I had a little success with the camera this weekend.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

327 aagcobb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:50:41pm

If NASA pulls this landing off, it will be AWESOME!

328 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:50:58pm

re: #322 freetoken

Reuters mentioned Geller in their story on the "protest", and noted that the ant-racism protestors outnumbered Geller's forces.

It's time for these "war bloggers" to just quit.

329 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:53:45pm

Fucking corporate media, how does it fail to work?

330 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:54:12pm

re: #327 aagcobb

If NASA pulls this landing off, it will be AWESOME!

Well, there's no doubt at all that it's going to land...

331 ozbloke  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:54:51pm

re: #327 aagcobb

If NASA pulls this landing off, it will be AWESOME!

Just finishing some beers and sausages, and we will be right with you.

Even Curiosity, is greatful to us aussies...
[Link: twitter.com...]

332 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:56:45pm

re: #329 Interesting Times

Fucking corporate media, how does it fail to work?

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I'm sure there's some reality TV star doing something pointless, scandalous, and ratings-getting right now to preempt the fact that we are sending a robot to a place our ancestors couldn't even see without a telescope.

333 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:57:42pm

re: #332 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I'm sure there's some reality TV star doing something pointless, scandalous, and ratings-getting right now to preempt the fact that we are sending a robot to a place our ancestors couldn't even see without a telescope.

o.O

Mars is pretty visible to the naked eye.

334 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:59:09pm
335 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:59:13pm

33 minutes to go.

336 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 9:59:21pm

re: #333 Mocking Jay

o.O

Mars is pretty visible to the naked eye.

As a planet or a star?

337 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:00:39pm

Food allergy sufferers haz a sad :(

338 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:01:50pm

re: #336 Mostly sane, most of the time.

As a planet or a star?

As a candybar.

339 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:02:22pm

re: #337 Interesting Times

Food allergy sufferers haz a sad :(

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If you don't like peanuts straight up, could you get away with a Snickers? (Speaking of candy bars.)

340 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:06:04pm

re: #337 Interesting Times

Food allergy sufferers haz a sad :(

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I hope my peanut butter counts.

341 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:06:38pm

re: #336 Mostly sane, most of the time.

As a planet or a star?

Depends on it's position relative to us and the sun, but it can get about as bright as Sirius.

342 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:07:32pm

[Link: mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]

344 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:08:18pm

re: #342 Varek Raith

[Link: mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]

Could they please get the camera off the guy with the mohawk?

345 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:08:44pm

re: #340 erik_t

I hope my peanut butter counts.

It's crunchy. That seems relevant.

346 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:08:49pm

re: #344 Mocking Jay

Could they please get the camera off the guy with the mohawk?

Lol.

347 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:10:40pm

CNN just tweeted that they will recognize this thing is happening on air at 1:30.

348 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:10:41pm

11ty thousand mph!

350 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:15:26pm

Peace out, cruise stage.

351 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:15:46pm

re: #350 erik_t

Peace out, cruise stage.

I call salvage rights!

352 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:16:07pm

re: #350 erik_t

Peace out, cruise stage.

Separation looks good.

353 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:16:28pm

Copy.

[Beep]

Did you guys see that?

354 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:17:42pm

Looks like a flying saucer.

355 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:19:47pm

re: #354 Varek Raith

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356 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:19:58pm
357 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:20:25pm

5 minutes to entry. Curiosity should be up to 5.5 km/second or so.

358 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:20:48pm

Under 4 minutes.

359 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:21:06pm

That is, to entry into the atmosphere.

360 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:21:35pm

[Link: www.nasa.gov...]

361 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:22:14pm

2-3-2 meters.

362 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:23:08pm

re: #361 Gus

2-3-2 meters.

You took too many.
/

363 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:23:15pm

Oh shit.

364 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:23:27pm

Will the robots forgive us for exiling their brothers to other planets when the uprising begins?

365 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:23:30pm

90 seconds to entry.

366 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:23:57pm

1 minute to entry

367 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:24:38pm

Lol cnn.

368 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:25:05pm

Spot on so far.

369 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:25:06pm

Vehicle reports entry interface.

370 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:25:40pm

10

371 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:25:47pm

When do we get to exhale?

372 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:25:55pm

Started guided entry

373 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:26:37pm

Hang on.

374 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:26:54pm

12G

375 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:27:04pm

Reminded of the reentry scene from Apollo 13.

376 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:27:29pm

Telemetry from Odyssey.

377 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:28:43pm

Mach 2.4

378 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:28:56pm

So much nicer than watching Pathfinder. That was pretty much a worked-or-didn't-work telemeter right there.

379 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:29:31pm

Standby for parachute deployment.

380 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:29:41pm

Parachute deployed and is decelerating.

381 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:30:01pm

Well, at least they're smiling at JPL, even if I have no idea what they are saying.

382 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:30:23pm

Acquired the ground with radar

383 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:30:36pm

90 meters/sec

384 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:31:20pm

This is so cool! And yes, I'm a total NASA geek.

385 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:31:34pm

In powered flight

386 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:31:54pm

Alt is 500m

387 Gus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:32:00pm

500m

388 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:32:15pm

Skycrane has started

389 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:32:40pm

BULLSHIT. BULLSHIT.
BULL FUCKING SHIT IT'S WORKING

390 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:32:49pm

Touchdown confirmed!

391 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:32:49pm

Touchdown!

392 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:32:50pm

Suck it, Phelps!

393 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:33:10pm

FUCK ME DEAD IT WORKED

394 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:33:25pm

Holy shit, those fucking geeks at NASA did it again!

395 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:33:48pm

Massive nerd orgy ensues.

396 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:34:09pm

*wipes away tears* I told myself I wouldn't cry.

/

397 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:34:15pm

We might get pictures from Curiosity soon!

398 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:35:02pm

Downlinking images

They got thumbnails!

399 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:35:36pm

Wheels down on Mars.

400 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:36:11pm

re: #395 goddamnedfrank

Massive nerd orgy ensues.

Yeah, that would be like a Star Trek marathon with chex mix.

401 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:36:47pm

I have lived to see another miracle of science. I can remember Sputnik, folks. I want to stick around another 40 years just to see what happens.

402 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:37:07pm

re: #401 Shiplord Kirel

I have lived to see another miracle of science. I can remember Sputnik, folks. I want to stick around another 40 years just to see what happens.

Man on Mars?

403 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:37:08pm

That's just fucking outstanding! Twidgets rule!

404 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:38:04pm

re: #401 Shiplord Kirel

And this is from someone whose husband made her go to a Indiana Jones marathon in college. At Caltech.

I refused to go to the Star Wars one next week. Six to seven hours in one chair is too much.

405 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:38:18pm

Nerds rule, luddites drool.

406 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:38:22pm

re: #404 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That was meant to be a reply to 400.

407 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:38:29pm

We have high res pic from Curiosity.

408 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:39:02pm

re: #401 Shiplord Kirel

I have lived to see another miracle of science. I can remember Sputnik, folks. I want to stick around another 40 years just to see what happens.

I saw Sputnik.

409 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:39:11pm

Well that was pretty exciting, time for bed now though.

410 jhrhv  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:39:31pm

Awesome congratulations NASA.

411 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:39:49pm

Getting high resolution images. Fucking amazing. Just fucking amazing. As Rube Goldberg as the decent and landing was planned, they pulled it off. They. Pulled. It. Off!

More images coming in. Odyssey is transmitting the data and images back to Earth, but it is starting to get out of range of Curiosity, so these might be the final images we'll see for a while.

Amazing, just amazing.

412 aagcobb  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:40:42pm

I remember as a kid watching the Viking photos from Mars. Its still a thrill!

413 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:41:34pm

I guess the best I can remember is when Pathfinder landed. Hard to believe so much has happened since then.

414 jhrhv  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:41:56pm

hahaha just heard someone in the control room say "Holy shit!"

415 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:43:11pm

The peanuts worked :)

416 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:43:17pm
417 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:43:17pm

re: #412 aagcobb

I remember as a kid watching the Viking photos from Mars. Its still a thrill!

Me too. That was quite the thing. Also watched the first landing on the moon - very much history.

Curiosity is probably not as historic (depending upon what it finds), but it certainly upped the bar as far as complex interplanetary landings.

418 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:43:18pm

re: #402 Targetpractice

Man on Mars?

I hope so. That would be really something, a triumph for the ages.

419 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:43:50pm

re: #414 jhrhv

hahaha just heard someone in the control room say "Holy shit!"

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420 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:44:07pm

Light blue polos and khakis?

Meh. I'd be wearing Hawaiian shirts and sipping adult beverages with umbrellas in them. That is one HELL of an accomplishment.

Oh, wait, engineers...

421 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:44:23pm

Sometimes it's good to be a nerd.

422 General Nimrod Bodfish  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:44:51pm

re: #420 austin_blue

Light blue polos and khakis?

Meh. I'd be wearing Hawaiian shirts and sipping adult beverages with umbrellas in them. That is one HELL of an accomplishment.

Oh, wait, engineers...

Sipping? Hell, I'd be doing keg stands if I were them!

423 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:45:11pm

re: #418 Shiplord Kirel

I hope so. That would be really something, a triumph for the ages.

I just live for the day when we can see men on the Moon yet again.

424 Lidane  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:45:43pm

re: #420 austin_blue

Light blue polos and khakis?

Meh. I'd be wearing Hawaiian shirts and sipping adult beverages with umbrellas in them. That is one HELL of an accomplishment.

Oh, wait, engineers...

Engineers = someone has built a still or a homebrew kit somewhere in Mission Control and they're about ready to break out the results of that if they haven't already. Haha.

425 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:45:50pm
426 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:46:08pm

re: #421 b_sharp

Sometimes it's good to be a nerd.

Especially when it works!

(pulls forelock to the geniuses at NASA)

427 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:46:28pm

re: #425 Interesting Times

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Damn you, Kennedy!

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428 IngisKahn  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:46:33pm

We're such fucking barbaric animals, but occasionally we achieve greatness. This was a truly awesome moment for mankind.

429 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:46:55pm

I watched that live. No offense, but beats the Olympics any day.

430 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:47:05pm

re: #428 IngisKahn

We're such fucking barbaric animals, but occasionally we achieve greatness. This was a truly awesome moment for mankind.

Yeah, the past 24 hours have seen a couple of extremes, huh?

431 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:47:40pm

re: #421 b_sharp

Sometimes it's good to be a nerd.

Yeah, did you notice some of the haircuts? :=)

432 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:47:51pm

re: #415 Worrell-Rimshot 2012!

The peanuts worked :)

Hope someone got to Bob with an epi-pen in time.

433 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:48:47pm

re: #408 b_sharp

I saw Sputnik.

I lied. It was Alouette 1 I saw. I thought it was a UFO at first.

434 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:50:57pm

OK, work tomorrow. Night all from the CDT. Sweet scaly dreams!

And kudos to the Curiosity project team for a project well done!

435 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:51:28pm

'Scuse me, y'all, gotta go have a few drinks.

FUCKING SCIENCE WOOOOOOOOO

436 jhrhv  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:51:53pm

My thoughts have gone to Team America and F Yeah quote. :)

437 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:52:53pm

[Link: twitter.com...]

438 jhrhv  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:53:52pm

Did anyone catch how close to target they landed?

439 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:54:23pm

I'm seeing a lot of Mac Powerbook Pros.

440 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:54:55pm

Twitter users complaining about the quality of the first photos from Curiosity. I fucking hate that website more than almost anything.

441 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:56:53pm

Here's the direct-est path to new images:

[Link: mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]

442 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:56:58pm

re: #440 SpaceJesus

Twitter users complaining about the quality of the first photos from Curiosity. I fucking hate that website more than almost anything.

OK, they can go to Mars and do better.

443 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 10:57:55pm

Although, I think all of the NASA data websites are now crashing from the overload. Twitter seems the most reliable, as well as USstream for video.

444 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:00:48pm

They can throw a ton of metal 300 million miles and score a bulls-eye... but they can't keep their websites up.

445 jhrhv  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:01:41pm

NASA TV said the sites are back up. Everyone trying to grab the images.

446 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:02:22pm

re: #443 freetoken

Although, I think all of the NASA data websites are now crashing from the overload. Twitter seems the most reliable, as well as USstream for video.

Good. Fucking good. Nothing makes me happier than the world crashing NASA's website because too many people want to see the pictures.

447 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:02:40pm

re: #446 erik_t

This one is still crashing:

[Link: mars.jpl.nasa.gov...]

448 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:02:41pm

re: #446 erik_t

Good. Fucking good. Nothing makes me happier than the world crashing NASA's website because too many people want to see the pictures.

THE PICTURES OF MARS. ON FUCKING MARS.

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

449 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:03:06pm
450 Lidane  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:04:28pm

re: #426 austin_blue

Tonight's a great night to be a nerd, but I thought you'd appreciate this:

Image: texasweather.jpg

Heh.

451 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:07:34pm

I can see it from my house.

452 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:09:54pm

Wow. 5 of the top trends are Mars related.

453 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:17:04pm

Ok, getting back to the real world... or unreal world as the case may be...

Notice how WND phrases this headline:

ISLAMIC VIOLENCE TOO MUCH EVEN FOR MUSLIMS

Classic, just classic.

And of course, it attracts the kind of commenters for which WND hopes:

LarryPTL


This is probably how God has protected the rest of the world from Islam, by allowing them to turn on each other to the point where they have all but ignored us. Even today Muslim-on-Muslim violence is at levels that would never be tolerated in the West.

Winston Churchill, in observing the Muslim culture a century ago, noted the utter apathy of their way of life. They do not strive to improve themselves like the western culture, based around Judeo-Christian principals, does. It is so sad to see so much human potential wasted on sating the most base of human emotions in the name of a religion. Especially a religion of war.

2 hours ago

The never ending hatred...

454 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:26:13pm

Top (non-promoted) trends on Twitter worldwide:

#WhenIWasALittleKid
#PeopleIWouldSexuallyDestroy
#10TuiterosFavoritos
Ryan Bailey
Марсе
Usain Bolt
Justin Gatlin
Chavela Vargas
Aaliyah

So there.

455 jhrhv  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:31:28pm

re: #454 freetoken

Apparently Марсе is Russian for Mars.

456 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:31:31pm

The wonderful world of modeling, where tonight, we will carefully work with an exacto-knife and shave down a piece to fit , carving with a slow pressure, until it slips and cuts directly into the index finger.

457 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:32:15pm

re: #455 jhrhv

Yeah... the problem of forcing everything into Western roman characters.

458 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:32:48pm

re: #456 Kragar

The wonderful world of modeling, where tonight, we will carefully work with an exacto-knife and shave down a piece to fit , carving with a slow pressure, until it slips and cuts directly into the index finger.

Eh, you didn't need that finger anyway.

//

459 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:34:22pm

Here's a double-rim-shot of "conservative" stupidity:

Global Warming Debunked by Intelligent Design

Global warming has long been used to justify burdensome regulations that increase costs, increases unemployment, increases dependency on government, and reduces our individual freedom.

Now, a recent global warming propaganda "study" says that meteorological and climate events over the last few years are so statistically rare that they must be man-made global warming. Translation: Global warming has been debunked by science.

[...]


So, instead, the “godfather of global warming” has essentially said, “Nope, we can’t figure out the puzzle because it’s too complex. But statistically this is so unusual that it must be man-made global warming.”

Welcome to the world of Intelligent Design, Mr. Hansen.

Intelligent Design is a theory that competes with evolution. It states that many aspects of what we see in the species are too rare to be the result of anything other than a deliberate intelligent design. In other words, it wasn’t random mutations that evolved the species but a guiding hand implementing a purposeful intelligent design. While the theory doesn’t purport to define the “intelligence” that guided the changes to the species (could be God, could be aliens, as far as the theory is concerned), the implications are obvious.

[...]

Multi-layered derpitude, courtesy of Salem Communications.

460 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:35:01pm

re: #458 Targetpractice

Eh, you didn't need that finger anyway.

//

That is what crazy glue and insta-set are for.

461 erik_t  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:35:31pm

re: #456 Kragar

The wonderful world of modeling, where tonight, we will carefully work with an exacto-knife and shave down a piece to fit , carving with a slow pressure, until it slips and cuts directly into the index finger.

My thumb did that the other week. That's what CA is for, until it's actually serious, and that's what the doctor is for.

462 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:35:45pm

re: #454 freetoken

Huh. That's not what it's telling me.

Trends · Change
#MyHealthyFriend Promoted
Ryan Bailey Trending event
#Curiosity
#MSL
#JPL
Sikh
Martians
Oak Creek
Mission Control
Red Planet

463 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:36:26pm

re: #462 Mocking Jay

Are you watching the worldwide trends?

464 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:36:51pm

re: #462 Mocking Jay

Oh, duh. I didn't realized it was tailored just for moi. Mea culpa.

465 Mocking Jay  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:37:27pm

re: #463 freetoken

Are you watching the worldwide trends?

Shh. We will never speak of this again.

466 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:37:53pm

re: #456 Kragar

The wonderful world of modeling, where tonight, we will carefully work with an exacto-knife and shave down a piece to fit , carving with a slow pressure, until it slips and cuts directly into the index finger.

I once chiselled my finger while carving a linoleum block. It was quite startling.

467 Lidane  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:41:47pm

re: #459 freetoken

Here's a double-rim-shot of "conservative" stupidity:

Global Warming Debunked by Intelligent Design

Multi-layered derpitude, courtesy of Salem Communications.

I love how they call Intelligent Design science. ROFL. The rest is just the usual creationist fail with a few added flourishes of stupid.

468 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:46:55pm

Missed this yesterday... File under What Bigotry in America?

Murfreesboro in perfect storm of debate over Islam

[...]

Fueled by fears that Muslims are gaining influence while Christians are losing clout, activists have battled to block construction of the Murfreesboro mosque. They’ve argued over the minutia of county zoning laws and whether Islam is a religion.

Mosque opponents say they are fighting for the soul of America. With the mosque set to open this month, some residents have raised new concerns by protesting requests for accommodations for Muslim students to pray in local schools. Dozens of critics of Islam showed up at a recent Rutherford County school board meeting to voice their disapproval.

And they plan to oppose any attempts by local Muslims to influence life in Rutherford County.

“We are going to closely scrutinize everything they do,” said the Rev. Darrel Whaley, mosque opponent and pastor of Kingdom Ministries Worship Center in Mufreesboro.

[...]

Until the new Islamic Center was approved in 2010, “I didn’t know that there were any Muslims in this community,” said Pete Doughtie, owner of the Rutherford Reader, a local free newspaper.

His thoughts on Muslims are summed up in the headline of a recent column: “They have nothing positive to add to America.”

[...]

Doughtie also worries about a so-called “stealth jihad.”

He learned that term from a book by the same name by author Robert Spencer, who runs a blog called JihadWatch. The book claims that Muslims want to undermine America from within.

[...]

Amy Binder, an associate professor of sociology at the University of California at San Diego, said mosque critics seem similar to other conservative groups, like supporters of teaching creationism at school.

[...]

469 Kragar  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:48:32pm

re: #459 freetoken

Here's a double-rim-shot of "conservative" stupidity:

Global Warming Debunked by Intelligent Design

Multi-layered derpitude, courtesy of Salem Communications.

Intelligent design competes with Evolution the way Adam Sandler competes with Lawrence Olivier in acting.

470 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:50:03pm

re: #459 freetoken

Here's a double-rim-shot of "conservative" stupidity:

Global Warming Debunked by Intelligent Design

Multi-layered derpitude, courtesy of Salem Communications.

Another reason I want to see space colonies: No creationists there. The habitats will also be free of Amway dealers, fire-walkers, psychics, and faith healers. How do I know this? These quacks go where the money is. Spaceflight requires a combination of guts and brains that would completely preclude any market for their services.

471 freetoken  Sun, Aug 5, 2012 11:50:17pm

It just struck me... that NASA team are wearing blue shirts.

Yes, blue, not red.


Given that modern media has picked blue as the color for that anti-American socialist Democratic Party, this is clear indicator that those GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEES!! are making a political statement.

Big Government has us under their thumbs again!!!

472 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:15:53am

Watching the NASA press conference, that just completed... noticed the lack of glibertarians. Where's the RON PAUL!! people when you need them?

Note that around 12:40 Pacific time Observer will be in position to relay more data, and the NASA channel will be broadcasting that live.

473 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:17:34am

I wonder how much GOLD! is on Mars?

474 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:25:14am

re: #473 freetoken

I wonder how much GOLD! is on Mars?

Water would be more important.

475 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:26:59am

re: #474 Kragar

Water would be more important.

Are going to switch to the Water Standard?

476 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:29:16am

re: #475 Expand Your Ground

Are going to switch to the Water Standard?

Wanna buy a still-suit?

477 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:45:01am

One that produces moonshine - although in this case, it would turn out arrack and not whisky

478 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:55:45am

New images coming down from the hazard cameras.

I am struck about how kludgy the user interface is on the software the ground crew is using to view images.

479 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:57:28am

re: #478 freetoken

New images coming down from the hazard cameras.

I am struck about how kludgy the user interface is on the software the ground crew is using to view images.

What do expect from a government-run project? the Free Market would do it bettr and cheaper! And they would be catered by Chick-Fil-A (except on Sundays).

480 researchok  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 12:57:59am

Morning, all

481 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:02:58am

Interestingly enough, there are is probably a decent amount of heavy metals on Mars, however most of it is likely trapped in the core. Mars would more likely have a water standard than a gold standard. Sorry gold bugs, But to have a working economy you'd need enough people to sustain it.

I wonder what the critical mass would be? after all, what's the point of currency if you have a dozen people on the planet. Maybe the critical mass is an independent population?

Now I'm thinking of how we could partially terraform Mars, focus on the deep trenches, cover them and work on transforming that, toss in some solar mirrors to direct more sunlight and then work on getting enough oxygen cracked from water along with some method of enriching the soil with nutrients to get some crops growing. Hydroponics is cool and all, but come on, we all want forests and trees and crops on Mars. :D

482 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:07:24am

re: #481 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

The Red Planet - it must be settled by True Conservatives!

483 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:16:04am

re: #482 Expand Your Ground

The Red Planet - it must be settled by True Conservatives!

The Adeptus Mechanicus called dibs already.

484 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:19:29am
MP3 Audio
485 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:29:25am

re: #483 Kragar

The Adeptus Mechanicus called dibs already.

Good to know that there will be adept mechanics to help fix a broken-down Mars Rover...

486 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:30:57am

re: #485 Expand Your Ground

Good to know that there will be adept mechanics to help fix a broken-down mars Rover...

Image: 3075305547_84210dcbbc.jpg

487 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 1:53:44am

re: #486 Kragar

Image: 3075305547_84210dcbbc.jpg

your cat just killed the thread...

488 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 2:11:06am

I grew up as a young child in Cudahy. It is working class, mainly service jobs now. They have Ladish which makes aerospace and other industrial parts. Not many good jobs there though for a city of 30,000.

489 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 2:21:44am

All these competitive cooking shows are just begging for a parody to be made of them. I'm surprised I haven't come across a spoof cooking competition show yet.

490 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 2:23:32am

re: #489 freetoken

All these competitive cooking shows are just begging for a parody to be made of them. I'm surprised I haven't come across a spoof cooking competition show yet.

nothing is fun unless it's competitive...

491 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 3:28:31am

re: #490 Expand Your Ground

nothing is fun unless it's competitive...

Disagree. Sex can be fun without being competitive.

492 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 3:30:47am
MP3 Audio
493 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 3:59:18am

Romneys, caught in housing bust, got tax cut in California

Mitt and Ann Romney were easily able to afford a $12 million La Jolla, Calif., home.

But that didn't insulate them from the winds buffeting the real estate market in the months following their purchase in 2008.

After paying cash for the Mediterranean-style house with 61 feet of beach frontage, they asked San Diego County for dramatic property tax relief.

Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee for president whose wealth is estimated at $250 million, has rejected calls from Democrats and Republicans to release his income tax returns prior to 2010. But San Diego County assessor records shed light on one sliver of the couple's personal taxes during that time: a months-long effort to reduce their annual property tax bill.

Initially, the Romneys asked that their 2009 assessment, $12.24 million, be reduced to $6.8 million, maintaining that their home had lost about 45 percent of its value in the first seven months they owned it.

Thirteen months later, after hiring an attorney to guide them, the Romneys filed an amended appeal, contending the home had suffered a less-dramatic fall of 27.3 percent, to $8.9 million.

They also filed an appeal for the 2010 tax year, claiming the house had dropped further, to $7.5 million, 38.7 percent less than the home's assessed value.

As a result, the Romneys have saved about $109,000 in property taxes over four years.

[...]

To help you visualize, here is the Google maps view of the Romney's west coast get-away:

[Link: maps.google.com...]

494 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:26:58am

re: #491 abolitionist

Disagree. Sex can be fun without being competitive.

lots of people see it as a competition around who can f*ck the most people in the shortest space of time

495 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:28:44am

re: #493 freetoken

Romneys, caught in housing bust, got tax cut in California

To help you visualize, here is the Google maps view of the Romney's west coast get-away:

[Link: maps.google.com...]

all perfectly legal: designed to protect middle-class homeowners, but still applicable to the 1%

496 Aye Pod  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:32:08am

re: #489 freetoken

All these competitive cooking shows are just begging for a parody to be made of them. I'm surprised I haven't come across a spoof cooking competition show yet.

Some truly grotesque diseases of the ego on display on these shows, especially from the tv chefs who host/judge them.

Fun to watch though.

497 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:51:49am

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel

Another reason I want to see space colonies: No creationists there. The habitats will also be free of Amway dealers, fire-walkers, psychics, and faith healers. How do I know this? These quacks go where the money is. Spaceflight requires a combination of guts and brains that would completely preclude any market for their services.

Would you allow any form of believer in a space colony? Someone like, for example, Ludwig, who is a scientist but also a religious man.

498 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:54:03am

re: #495 Expand Your Ground

all perfectly legal: designed to protect middle-class homeowners, but still applicable to the 1%

'Perfectly legal' keeps you out of the Big House, it doesn't put you in the White House.

499 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 4:56:49am

Your first DERP of the day:

(He'll keep on DERPing all day long)

500 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 5:17:39am

re: #498 Decatur Deb

'Perfectly legal' keeps you out of the Big House, it doesn't put you in the White House.

Even if it ain't legal, all you have to do is make sure that you don't get caught.

501 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:27:11am

'Morning, Lizards.

I think the thread has fallen asleep.

502 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:30:19am

re: #501 makeitstop

'Morning, Lizards.

I think the thread has fallen asleep.

It was up all night watching Curiosity.

503 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:32:05am

re: #502 Decatur Deb

It was up all night watching Curiosity.

I was there trying to keep up, but the Sandman got me about 20 minutes out from the landing.

First thing I did this morning was read this thread to catch up.

504 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:42:03am

re: #503 makeitstop

I was there trying to keep up, but the Sandman got me about 20 minutes out from the landing.

First thing I did this morning was read this thread to catch up.

Same here, except for the '20 minutes out' thing. I fell asleep a good 2 hours before the excitement. But got caught up this morning before leaving for work. A great night for NASA and the US space program.

505 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:44:03am

re: #503 makeitstop

re: #504 RayFerd

XKCD nails it:

[Link: xkcd.com...]

506 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:50:30am

re: #499 Learned Mother of Zion

It's only news if he isn't DERPing.

507 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 6:59:39am

Reid and his staff continue to goad the Romney campaign.

5 bucks says someone on Mitt's staff will take the bait before noon. They've done nothing to prove they're smart enough to resist.

508 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:04:32am

I didn't see this linked (I missed it if it was) but here's some more from the Southern Poverty Law Center:

Alleged Sikh Temple Shooter Former Member of Skinhead Band

Here's cover art from their fancy album:
Image: Unknown.jpeg

509 weave  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:05:09am

The Freepers have their connection they need about the Sikh shootings.

1) Shooter is some white supremacist who was in a neo-nazi band called "End Apathy."
2) According to some 2011 article on The Blaze, The Nazi party supports OWS
3) Hence, it's all Obama's fault.

510 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:07:15am

re: #508 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

I didn't see this linked (I missed it if it was) but here's some more from the Southern Poverty Law Center:

Alleged Sikh Temple Shooter Former Member of Skinhead Band

Here's cover art from their fancy album:
Image: Unknown.jpeg

You can hear their crappy music here
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
Lame

511 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:07:59am

He received a less than honorable discharge from the Army.

512 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:09:21am

Egypt hunts Sinai terrorists; 'we'll strike Gaza if needed'

In a report published on Al-Ahram's online edition Monday morning, the security source is quoted as saying that Egyptian army helicopters, accompanied by ground forces, have launched a manhunt for the suspects in the deadly attack on an Egyptian police station in the northern Sinai Peninsula, near the border with Israel.


The forces have surrounded Rafah to prevent the suspects from escaping, the report said.
...
Egyptian analysts who were interviewed overnight demanded that Hamas security forces in Gaza cooperate with Egypt in the effort to apprehend the terrorists. "If we will be forced to strike Gaza, as Israel has, we will do it – if it is proven that those who committed the attack came from Gaza," one of the military analysts said.

513 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:11:29am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

You can hear their crappy music here
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
Lame

Gosh, thanks but no thanks.

And I do wish more news stories would stress that this POS got a less than honorable discharge from the Army.

514 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:13:54am

re: #510 Killgore Trout

You can hear their crappy music here
[Link: www.myspace.com...]
Lame

Yep, 'lame' sums it right up.

That's about as by-the-numbers as you can get in that genre.

515 GunstarGreen  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:14:11am

I know that calling the guy a "suspect" or saying that he's the "alleged shooter" is journalistic tradition to protect people from having assumptions of guilt made about them (whether or not it actually accomplishes that goal is another matter for a different debate), but... seriously?

The guy was caught, in the act, and put down for it. He's not a 'suspected' murderer, it's been first-hand confirmed.

516 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:14:29am

re: #489 freetoken

All these competitive cooking shows are just begging for a parody to be made of them. I'm surprised I haven't come across a spoof cooking competition show yet.

I think the worst one is "Cupcake Wars" on FN. Have you ever seen it?

517 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:16:04am

re: #515 GunstarGreen

I know that calling the guy a "suspect" or saying that he's the "alleged shooter" is journalistic tradition to protect people from having assumptions of guilt made about them (whether or not it actually accomplishes that goal is another matter for a different debate), but... seriously?

The guy was caught, in the act, and put down for it. He's not a 'suspected' murderer, it's been first-hand confirmed.

must nonetheless wait until all the facts are in and the investigation is completed. 99% certainty is not fact just yet.

518 funky chicken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:22:32am

Sidebar ad--NRA "Trigger the Vote"

Unbelievable

519 allegro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:23:00am

re: #516 funky chicken

I think the worst one is "Cupcake Wars" on FN. Have you ever seen it?

yeah, cupcake wars is pretty lame. I do like Master Chef and sometimes Chopped. As one who enjoys cooking I have gotten some great tips and techniques from those shows. Fun to root for my favorites as well, like that adorable blind girl now on Master Chef. She is amazing.

520 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:24:02am

re: #518 funky chicken

Sidebar ad--NRA "Trigger the Vote"

Unbelievable

How about "If it's brown, gun it down"?

521 Jadewater  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:28:03am

Morning all

522 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:42:45am

Good morning lizards!

523 blueraven  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:47:03am

A star is born

Bobak Ferdowsi works for NASA and is a flight director on the Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity mission. Few people — fewer than 200 on Twitter — knew him before Sunday night. He cuts his hair differently for each mission, though, and tonight he became known. With a mohawk featuring maroon highlights and shaved stars on the side, Ferdowsi came only second in attention paid to the Mars Curiosity rover landing itself. He went from 200 followers to more than 8,000 10,000 during and after NASA's livestream of the landing, which was shown live on several cable news networks as well.

Image: enhanced-buzz-9260-1344234508-2.jpg

524 allegro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:50:58am

re: #523 blueraven

A star is born

Image: enhanced-buzz-9260-1344234508-2.jpg

What a cutie. Good to see at least some engineers are allowed to express themselves in dress, hairstyle, etc. My late hubby, a ChemE in the petrochem industry couldn't even wear an earring. I thought that was discriminatory myself.

525 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:55:59am

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Egypt hunts Sinai terrorists; 'we'll strike Gaza if needed'

My friend's son gets out of the IDF in 5 weeks bearing nothing huge erupting in Israel. His parents are worried about what's going on there.

526 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:57:50am

re: #489 freetoken

All these competitive cooking shows are just begging for a parody to be made of them. I'm surprised I haven't come across a spoof cooking competition show yet.

[Link: www.dangerouslogic.com...]

527 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 7:59:21am

re: #524 allegro

It reminds me of

Image: tumblr_ljpjwijudi1qdkxrvo1_400.jpg

528 blueraven  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:01:25am

Police briefing any minute now on the Sikh temple shooting.

529 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:07:55am

Gunman identified

The gunman who opened fire in a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., and killed six people has been identified as Wade Michael Page, an Army veteran who left the service with a less than honorable discharge.
Page, 40, served in the Army from April 1992 through October 1998. He was separated from the Army with a less than honorable discharge and had been demoted from sergeant to specialist during his service.
While in the Army Wade served as a sergeant, and later as a specialist based in Ft. Bliss in Texas and at Ft. Bragg in North Carolina. Wade's job was as a Hawk missile system repairman, and he then became a psychological operations specialist, defense official confirmed to ABC news.
Page was shot and killed in an exchange of gunfire with a police officer who sustained "eight or nine" gunshot wounds, authorities confirmed. Officials are treating it as a case of domestic terrorism.
The ex-soldier is believed to the gunman who opened fire on people at theSikh temple around 10:30 a.m. Sunday morning and killed six people.
Police have not given any details on the motive of the shooter, but Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms Special Agent Thomas Ahern said Page had tattoos that suggested he had ties to white supremacists.

530 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:09:31am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

Something is always going on with Israel and the border regions. It's a low intensity conflict most of the time, and it usually involves Hamas or PIJ carrying out mortar or kassam attacks against Sderot or neighboring areas inside Israel. The reprisal raids are typically airstrikes against those launching the attacks, but it's a tit-for-tat.

The Egyptian terror attack was a different sort of raid - it was apparently intended to be part of a larger attack against Israel to kill and/or kidnap Israelis using vehicles and weapons captured. The threat is actually larger against Egypt at the moment than Israel, since Israeli forces are already on high alert against these kinds of attacks. The Egyptians have necessarily been focused on the political situation in Cairo and the security focus hasn't been as important. Until now, that is. Now that the Palestinian terror groups have focused on Egyptian forces, that has pushed the Egyptian government to take action.

Meanwhile, the situation along Israel's other borders has been relatively quiet. The Golan has been quiet, except for Israelis hoping to catch a glimpse of the fighting in the distance (it's 45 miles as the crow flies between the Golan and Damascus).

531 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:10:26am

re: #529 Shiplord Kirel

Gunman identified

If this guy is a white supremacist i hope they are able to find every single one of his WS friends.

532 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:10:32am

re: #528 blueraven

Police briefing any minute now on the Sikh temple shooting.

Have a link?

533 blueraven  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:11:16am

re: #532 Learned Mother of Zion

Have a link?

Sorry, no. Watching now on CNN.

534 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:11:59am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

My friend's son gets out of the IDF in 5 weeks bearing nothing huge erupting in Israel. His parents are worried about what's going on there.

It's just so frustrating that the Rafah crossing was open for about a month and this is how the Palestinians use the opportunity. Of course they're now bitching that they're being oppressed.
Hamas leader: Closing Rafah crossing is collective punishment

535 iossarian  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:13:01am

So the GOS brought me to a Bloomberg piece this morning:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

More of the same. Smash and grab capitalism, asset-stripping public property and funneling the proceeds through tax havens.

Just what you want in the leader of the largest public enterprise on earth!

536 blueraven  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:13:05am

re: #532 Learned Mother of Zion

Have a link?

try this

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

537 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:14:15am

re: #535 iossarian

So the GOS brought me to a Bloomberg piece this morning:

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

More of the same. Smash and grab capitalism, asset-stripping public property and funneling the proceeds through tax havens.

Just what you want in the leader of the largest public enterprise on earth!

And neither can the USA afford to let Italy or Europe go down, we are too heavily invested over there, it would drag us down as well.

538 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:14:26am

re: #529 Shiplord Kirel

I wonder why he was demoted and given a less than honorable discharge (but he never deployed overseas). It is being treated as a domestic terrorism case.

One of the main questions is why he would target a Sikh temple. Was it because he lumped Sikhs together with Muslims or mistook Sikhs for Muslims (xenophobia/Islamophobia). His white supremacist ties can support either.

539 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:14:51am

re: #532 Learned Mother of Zion

Have a link?

Watching on iPad via Al Jeezera app. No link, but you should be able to find it off the main page.

540 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:15:39am

re: #532 Learned Mother of Zion

Have a link?

TPM has NBC

541 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:16:26am

re: #530 lawhawk

She spoke with her son last week and didn't tell her husband until yesterday about it. Her son is a loader on a Merkava Mk 4 and is right at the Egyptian/Israel/Gaza border. There are 4 tanks in the area where last week terrorists fired a rocket at one of them. The awesome Trophy system was able to stop it. He isn't in that particular tank but he is on one of the 4 tanks there.

542 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:17:07am

re: #538 lawhawk

I wonder why he was demoted and given a less than honorable discharge (but he never deployed overseas). It is being treated as a domestic terrorism case.

One of the main questions is why he would target a Sikh temple. Was it because he lumped Sikhs together with Muslims or mistook Sikhs for Muslims (xenophobia/Islamophobia). His white supremacist ties can support either.

If you're separated at the height of wartime personnel stress, it means you bumped up against the UCMJ pretty hard. (Or you're an obvious mental case, but the release wasn't medical.)

543 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:17:11am
544 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:18:18am

re: #538 lawhawk

One of the main questions is why he would target a Sikh temple. Was it because he lumped Sikhs together with Muslims or mistook Sikhs for Muslims (xenophobia/Islamophobia). His white supremacist ties can support either.

I am waiting for further developments, but right now I suspect it was a case of boneheaded xenophobia and toxic Islamophobia.

But it is a clear and logical development of the "America is a Christian nation" rhetoric that has taken over the Right Wing.

545 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:19:07am

re: #469 Kragar

Intelligent design competes with Evolution the way Adam Sandler competes with Lawrence Olivier in acting.

546 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:24:07am

More details about the Wisconsin shooter (including photos). His discharge and demotion were apparently alcohol related.

547 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:29:21am

Restrictions on the use of facsimile firearms in Wisconsin...

548 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:29:25am

re: #497 Learned Mother of Zion

Would you allow any form of believer in a space colony? Someone like, for example, Ludwig, who is a scientist but also a religious man.

With the exception of faith healers, the quacks I named typically deny that their claims constitute religious belief. They are especially not about any kind of formal and rigorous belief system. This is not about faith or religion but about willful deception and exploitation.

549 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:33:15am

re: #546 lawhawk

More details about the Wisconsin shooter (including photos). His discharge and demotion were apparently alcohol related.

Ugh. Odin's cross.

550 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:36:25am

re: #549 Gus

Ugh. Odin's cross.

Odin's Cross with a 14 in it, likely to represent the 14 Words.

Bonafide racist M'Fer.

551 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:37:05am

re: #548 Shiplord Kirel

With the exception of faith healers, the quacks I named typically deny that their claims constitute religious belief. They are especially not about any kind of formal and rigorous belief system. This is not about faith or religion but about willful deception and exploitation.

Needless to say, the first settlers on any Mars colony would have to be some sort of specialist scientists or engineers. That might include people with a religious bent, but it would most like rule out religious charlatains.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:37:20am

re: #534 Killgore Trout

IDF releases video of airstrike on armored car hijacked by terrorists

Film shows stolen Egyptian military vehicle erupt into flames after crossing border into Israel

Heh.

553 efuseakay  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:38:12am

re: #549 Gus

Ugh. Odin's cross.

You sound surprised...

554 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:38:29am

It's morning and I just got that feeling in the pit of my stomach. And on a Monday as well. Nice huh?

you?

555 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:38:35am

re: #550 Kronocide

Odin's Cross with a 14 in it, likely to represent the 14 Words.

Bonafide racist M'Fer.

Obviously a false flag operation set up by Obama.
///

556 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:38:50am

re: #538 lawhawk

I wonder why he was demoted and given a less than honorable discharge (but he never deployed overseas). It is being treated as a domestic terrorism case.

One of the main questions is why he would target a Sikh temple. Was it because he lumped Sikhs together with Muslims or mistook Sikhs for Muslims (xenophobia/Islamophobia). His white supremacist ties can support either.

That is an important question. It is hard for me to believe that someone who served in the Army for 6 years, even a crazy drunk, would not know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. There may be something else in play here. Last night I suggested the close ties between high level Sikh-owned security contractors and the federal government, but that was just speculation. It is something white supremacists know about and have commented on though. It may be simpler than that, too: He might have been just a raging xenophobe who attacked a target of opportunity.

557 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:39:19am

re: #554 ggt

It's morning and I just got that feeling in the pit of my stomach. And on a Monday as well. Nice huh?

you?

I optioned out of monday and told my office I'll resume monday tomorrow.

558 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:40:07am

re: #556 Shiplord Kirel

That is an important question. It is hard for me to believe that someone who served in the Army for 6 years, even a crazy drunk, would not know the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. There may be something else in play here. Last night I suggested the close ties between high level Sikh-owned security contractors and the federal government, but that was just speculation. It is something white supremacists know about and have commented on though. It may be simpler than that, too: He might have been just a raging xenophobe who attacked a target of opportunity.

Hate only sees brown skin and funny head dress . . . .

559 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:40:41am

re: #552 NJDhockeyfan

IDF releases video of airstrike on armored car hijacked by terrorists

Heh.

Nice

560 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:40:44am

re: #557 Kragar

I optioned out of monday and told my office I'll resume monday tomorrow.

I wanna Too!!!

561 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:40:44am

Second Fire In Five Weeks Burns Missouri Mosque

A second fire in less than five weeks occurred at a mosque in Joplin, Missouri early Monday morning. The cause of the latest inferno is still unknown, but Monday’s flames were much more devastating than those that occurred July 4, in an incident that authorities later determined was an act of arson.

Video shot by local television news station KSNF on Monday captured massive flames engulfing the building.

Firefighters were called to the scene at the Islamic Center of Joplin around 3:30 a.m., according to KSNF.

The Jasper County Sheriff’s Office told TPM a news conference has been planned for Monday afternoon, and that ATF and the FBI will be involved in the investigation.

“The building was completely destroyed; along with the security cameras,” Jasper County Sheriff’s Office spokesperson Sharon Rhine said in an email. “We don’t know at this time if it was arson.”

562 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:40:52am

re: #558 ggt

Hate only sees brown skin and funny head dress . . . .

With any luck they'll find a manifesto.

563 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:41:08am

That's why it puzzles me when our politicians pass laws like the "Risk-Based Security Screening for Members of the Armed Forces Act" which allows our military to sail through airport security without a check. It sounds sensible, but you need to evaluate people by how suspicious they are, no matter what their credentials.

This was a horrific, embarrassing, and shameful incident.

564 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:41:29am

This is so sad.

Gymnast Gabby Douglas' mom filed for bankruptcy

NORFOLK, Va. — Court records show that the mother of Olympic gymnast Gabby Douglas filed for bankruptcy earlier this year in Virginia.

The filing was first reported by TMZ, a day after it was revealed that the parents of fellow U.S. Olympian Ryan Lochte were facing foreclosure in Florida.

Documents filed in January in the Eastern District of Virginia show Douglas' mother, Natalie Hawkins, filed for Chapter 13 bankruptcy, which allows people to reorganize their finances and pay down debt over several years.

The good thing is Gabby should be swimming in endorsements soon and her mom wont have to worry about money anymore.

565 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:42:49am

Just watched that video about what to do if you are in a mass shooting situation. I don't like Reality.--especially in the morning.

566 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:43:52am

re: #550 Kronocide

Odin's Cross with a 14 in it, likely to represent the 14 Words.

Bonafide racist M'Fer.

Thanks. Was trying to remember the reference to the number 14. Seen that used before by some Confederate losers on Twitter.

567 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:43:58am

re: #564 NJDhockeyfan

This is so sad.

Gymnast Gabby Douglas' mom filed for bankruptcy

The good thing is Gabby should be swimming in endorsements soon and her mom wont have to worry about money anymore.

Getting a kid to the Olympics is not a cheap endeavor.

568 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:44:05am

re: #564 NJDhockeyfan

It's amazing what parents will do to support their kids' chances of going for Olympic glory - particularly in sports that don't get nearly as much coverage as swimming or gymnastics.

569 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:44:22am

Who remembers this old chestnut?

Inside the DHS: Former Top Analyst Says Agency Bowed to Political Pressure

While at DHS, Johnson and his team wrote the April 7, 2009 report, "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment." The report, which was intended for law enforcement only, was quickly leaked and caused a firestorm among some on the political right who accused DHS of painting all kinds of conservatives as potential Timothy McVeighs. In fact, it had merely pointed out that some domestic extremists focused on single issues like immigration and abortion and also noted that extremists were interested in recruiting military veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Its analysis of the causes of the surge of right-wing radicalism — the election of the nation's first black president and the economy, among other things — still seems completely accurate and is in line with similar findings by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

But DHS ultimately reacted to criticism from conservative columnists and groups like the American Legion by withdrawing the report. (Ironically, given the criticism of his report, Johnson describes himself as a registered Republican who "personifies conservativism.") In the months following the leak, Johnson says in the interview below, DHS gutted its domestic terrorism analysis unit.

570 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:44:29am

re: #525 NJDhockeyfan

I suppose Alice Walker will immediately board a boat to Egypt to protest their blockade of Gaza!

571 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:44:44am

re: #509 weave

The Freepers have their connection they need about the Sikh shootings.

1) Shooter is some white supremacist who was in a neo-nazi band called "End Apathy."
2) According to some 2011 article on The Blaze, The Nazi party supports OWS
3) Hence, it's all Obama's fault.

1. The Nazi Part may have some notions of support in OWS because the problems are caused by Jewish Bankers.

2. Beyond that, the NP has no support for anything else with regards to Obama.

3. The morons at the Blaze seem to forget the President is a black dude, and Nazis don't like black people.

4. Therefore, the morons at the Blaze and typical consumers of their propaganda have roughly equivalent critical thinking capacities as your typical racist scumbag, and usually some equivalent antipathy or hostility to some other group WRT politics or race.

572 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:45:56am

re: #568 lawhawk

It's amazing what parents will do to support their kids' chances of going for Olympic glory - particularly in sports that don't get nearly as much coverage as swimming or gymnastics.

Well, that kind of opportunity doesn't come to everyone . . . .

573 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:46:35am

From SPLCENTER:

October 24, 2008

Two white supremacists, Daniel Cowart and Paul Schlesselman, are arrested in Tennessee for allegedly plotting to assassinate Barack Obama and murder more than 100 black people. Officials say Schlesselman and Cowart, a probationary member of the racist skinhead group Supreme White Alliance, planned to kill 88 people, then behead another 14. (Both numbers are significant in white supremacist circles. H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, so double 8s stand for HH, or "Heil Hitler." The number 14 represents the "14 Words," a popular racist saying.) The pair are indicted on charges that include threatening a presidential candidate, possessing a sawed-off shotgun, taking firearms across state lines to commit crimes, planning to rob a licensed gun dealer, damaging religious property, and using a firearm during the commission of a crime.

574 ReamWorks SKG  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:46:51am

re: #571 Kronocide

I would imagine the Nazis get excited whenever someone starts blaming "the Bankers" for all our troubles, because it's a small leap from "the Bankers" to 'the Jewish Bankers', and--sadly--many of the OWS types were too naive not to be manipulated by old agendas.

575 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:48:11am

re: #555 Kragar

Obviously a false flag operation set up by Obama.
///

Has to be. So he can take away more guns.

Either that, or this guy is clearly a lone nut and in no way connected to any ideology. And we all know you can't stop lone nuts. In fact, it's offensive to try to make this into a political issue at this very sensitive time.

576 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:48:19am

14 (words) - A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos

This numeral represents the phrase "14 words," the number of words in an expression that has become the battle cry and rallying slogan for the white supremacist movement: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for white children." This expression was coined by white supremacist David Lane while in prison serving essentially a life sentence for his role in The Order, a 1980s white supremacist terrorist group that conducted armed robberies, bombings, and assassinations. Lane died in prison in 2007.

577 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:48:57am

re: #561 Kragar

Reminds me of the burning of black churches in the South.

578 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:49:03am

re: #576 Gus

14 (words) - A Visual Database of Extremist Symbols, Logos and Tattoos

Number Symbols

Number symbols are very popular within the hate movement. They are shorthand for ideological concepts that focus on the "salvation" of the white race, Aryan purity, a kinship with Adolf Hitler, and identification with a group such as the Ku Klux Klan. These symbols also offer neo-Nazis, white supremacists and racist skinheads a quick and easy way of identifying with each other. They are often used in the salutations and closings of letters, E-mails, and comments on Internet news groups and chat rooms. They are also found in hate group literature and in hate graffiti.

579 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:49:22am

ATF: Firearm Used In Temple Shooting Was Purchased Legally

580 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:49:33am

re: #575 Renaissance_Man

Has to be. So he can take away more guns.

Either that, or this guy is clearly a lone nut and in no way connected to any ideology. And we all know you can't stop lone nuts. In fact, it's offensive to try to make this into a political issue at this very sensitive time.

You can tattoo anything post-mortem!!1!

581 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:50:18am

re: #577 Obdicut

Reminds me of the burning of black churches in the South.

And that is why we need school vouchers and approved textbooks, so no one will make that connection.

///

582 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:51:13am

Iranians 'confess' to nuclear scientist death plot

IRANIAN state television has showed several Iranians alleged to be part of a group of 13 who "confessed" to killing four Iranian nuclear scientists after being trained by Israeli intelligence.

It said the network received orders from "Washington and London."

The television report, available online, showed the suspects speaking of how they purportedly prepared to murder the scientists, and broadcast a re-enactment of assassins on a motorbike fixing a magnetic bomb to a victim's car, while dramatic music played in the background.

It also showed images of a number of prefabricated temporary buildings in an arid area and said the site was an Israeli military camp used for their training.

The 40-minute report, which was broadcast overnight, said the 13 comprised eight men and five women, all of whom were named.

583 iossarian  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:52:00am

re: #581 Kragar

And that is why we need school vouchers and approved textbooks, so no one will make that connection.

///

"We want to promote a more America-friendly view of history."

584 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:53:18am

Violent incident coverage

Some one plays video games or an RPG when they're a kid and the media always brings up that like it inspired their attack or its some kind of smoking gun.

Meanwhile, tattooing ones body from head to toe with propaganda, belonging to hate groups and the like becomes "a lone wolf" with no ties.

585 bubba zanetti  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:54:26am

re: #459 freetoken

Here's a double-rim-shot of "conservative" stupidity:

Global Warming Debunked by Intelligent Design

I suppose the author also avoids modern medicines whose efficacies have been proven by similar statistical analysis.

I would post this in the comments there but don't really want to wade through all the RAGEDERP.

586 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:54:44am

re: #575 Renaissance_Man

Has to be. So he can take away more guns.

Either that, or this guy is clearly a lone nut and in no way connected to any ideology. And we all know you can't stop lone nuts. In fact, it's offensive to try to make this into a political issue at this very sensitive time.

14 words tattoo clearly puts him into the white supremest camp. Not a lone nut, a very well surrounded nut maybe, but not lone.

587 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:56:05am

That the victims were Sikhs could have been random in that it was a target of opportunity. His hatred was probably for any multicultural group. It also could have been a typical post-911 response towards "those that wear turbans". In any case much of this has been a point of inspiration for even mainstream American far-right blogs since late 2001.

588 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:56:31am

re: #459 freetoken

Here's a double-rim-shot of "conservative" stupidity:

Global Warming Debunked by Intelligent Design

Multi-layered derpitude, courtesy of Salem Communications.

Religion was originally about people finding explanations for phenomena they did not understand. These people do not understand science or how it works, which is why they have to revert to that state again.

589 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:56:37am

re: #586 RayFerd

14 words tattoo clearly puts him into the white supremest camp. Not a lone nut, a very well surrounded nut maybe, but not lone.

Anyone could have gotten that tattoo. No reason to assume he's a WS.
///

590 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:57:24am

Cached page: "14 words" - Stormfront

591 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:57:33am

re: #586 RayFerd

14 words tattoo clearly puts him into the white supremest camp. Not a lone nut, a very well surrounded nut maybe, but not lone.

That is probably the reason the cops waited to release the name. They wanted to check out the local skinheads before the latter had a chance to skip town or conceal anything incriminating.

592 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:58:06am

Photo showing the Mars Curiosity probe cutting through the atmosphere - with the parachute deployed.

[Link: twitpic.com...]

593 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:58:21am

re: #589 Kragar

Anyone could have gotten that tattoo. No reason to assume he's a WS.
///

I know. I try to explain that to people when they see the "Black Power" tattoo on my arm, being as I am a white person. The "Kill Whitey" one really throws them.

//

594 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:58:31am

Hillary was the target of a group of angry bees...

Bee swarm attacks Hillary Clinton

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's tour of Malawi had an inauspicious finale on Monday as she and her detail were targeted by a swarm of bees at the airport.

Clinton and her detail were headed to board her plane at Kamuzu International Airport in the capital, Lilongwe, when a swarm of bees descended on the farewell gathering. According to press reports, Malawi and American officials scampered for cover while Clinton ran onto the jet for cover.

“There was a slight panic as the bees winged across the airport. People could be seen running away to keep cover as the Secretary of State swiftly boarded her plane to avoid any stings,” a witness told the Nyasa Times.

595 bubba zanetti  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:58:58am

re: #589 Kragar

Anyone could have gotten that tattoo. No reason to assume he's a WS.

Yeah! He could be a Norteño! Loose borders!!11!

596 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 8:59:51am

re: #593 RayFerd

I know. I try to explain that to people when they see the "Black Power" tattoo on my arm, being as I am a white person. The "Kill Whitey" one really throws them.

//

These are in German. They say "The Bart The"

597 Mocking Jay  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:01:08am

re: #593 RayFerd

I know. I try to explain that to people when they see the "Black Power" tattoo on my arm, being as I am a white person. The "Kill Whitey" one really throws them.

//

Damn, what the hell did Whitey Bulger ever do to you?

598 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:02:15am

I still think that cop who killed this puke should get a medal and a Cadillac retirement plan. =)

599 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:03:09am

re: #597 Mocking Jay

Damn, what the hell did Whitey Bulger ever do to you?

He took my ol' lady. But she turned on him so it serves him right.

600 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:03:38am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

Hillary was the target of a group of angry bees...

Bee swarm attacks Hillary Clinton

Youtube Video
601 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:04:01am

re: #508 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire

I didn't see this linked (I missed it if it was) but here's some more from the Southern Poverty Law Center:

Alleged Sikh Temple Shooter Former Member of Skinhead Band

Here's cover art from their fancy album:
Image: Unknown.jpeg

Yeah, I see skinheads lying passed out in the gutter in front of liquor stores, still the boots, all the time.

No, wait, I don't. Probably the wrong neighborhood. The local liquor store usually has a couple of older black men drinking sodas out front, playing the lottery, and telling each other jokes. Occasional wino.

602 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:04:22am

re: #594 NJDhockeyfan

Hillary was the target of a group of angry bees...

Bee swarm attacks Hillary Clinton

"Bees? Lol!"
[Link: news.daylife.com...]

603 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:04:58am

re: #512 Killgore Trout

Egypt hunts Sinai terrorists; 'we'll strike Gaza if needed'

Well, that would certainly challenge some paradigms, she said, with a vague sense of mounting dread about how bad this could get before it gets better.

604 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:05:48am

re: #515 GunstarGreen

I know that calling the guy a "suspect" or saying that he's the "alleged shooter" is journalistic tradition to protect people from having assumptions of guilt made about them (whether or not it actually accomplishes that goal is another matter for a different debate), but... seriously?

The guy was caught, in the act, and put down for it. He's not a 'suspected' murderer, it's been first-hand confirmed.

Yeah, but I think they want to be careful, simply because if you relax the rule, you may end up applying it carelessly to people whose guilt is less self-evident.

605 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:06:30am

re: #523 blueraven

A star is born

Image: enhanced-buzz-9260-1344234508-2.jpg

Needs a U.S.A. grille to go with that.

But that's probably too expensive on a NASA salary.

606 erik_t  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:06:38am

re: #592 lawhawk

Photo showing the Mars Curiosity probe cutting through the atmosphere - with the parachute deployed.

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Oh, your country set an Olympic record?

How quaint.

607 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:07:04am

I see that Egypt/Sinai conspiracy theories are still spreading.

608 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:09:38am

Second Fire In Five Weeks Burns Missouri Mosque

609 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:09:46am

Second Fire In Five Weeks Burns Missouri Mosque

I'd be lying if I said this stuff wasn't seriously beginning to worry me.

610 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:10:24am

Pat Robertson Blames Sikh Temple Shooting on Atheists

Today on the 700 Club, Pat Robertson said that “Satanic” atheists were to blame for the shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin. Robertson claimed that “people who are atheists, they hate God, they hate the expression of God,” and are responsible for the massacre, which was committed by a white supremacist. “They’re angry with the world, angry with themselves, angry with society and they take it out on innocent people who are worshiping God,” Robertson continued. He recommended that people “talk about the love of God and hope it has some impact” to stop violence.

Fuck you Pat.

611 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:10:26am
612 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:11:16am

re: #610 Kragar

Pat Robertson Blames Sikh Temple Shooting on Atheists

Fuck you Pat.

Yes. Fuck you Pat and those like you.

613 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:11:34am

Occupy Oakland had a smashing weekend...

Youtube Video

I don't get it, how do they expect to gain support if they are smashing the windows of President Obama's Oakland HQ?

614 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:15:12am

re: #612 Gus

Yes. Fuck you Pat and those like you.

but, leave the horse alone!

615 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:16:09am

re: #613 NJDhockeyfan

Occupy Oakland had a smashing weekend...

[Embedded content]

I don't get it, how do they expect to gain support if they are smashing the windows of President Obama's Oakland HQ?

Weird. Oakland has always been know as a peaceful community.

//

616 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:16:39am

re: #592 lawhawk

Photo showing the Mars Curiosity probe cutting through the atmosphere - with the parachute deployed.

[Link: twitpic.com...]

Someone's been doing the math.

617 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:16:46am

re: #615 Gus

Weird. Oakland has always been know as a peaceful community.

//

I blame the Tea Party!
//

618 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:16:54am

re: #534 Killgore Trout

It's just so frustrating that the Rafah crossing was open for about a month and this is how the Palestinians use the opportunity. Of course they're now bitching that they're being oppressed.
Hamas leader: Closing Rafah crossing is collective punishment

Fucking Hamas. Excuse my Aramaic.

619 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:17:15am

Last time I was in Oakland I was at a BART station. The restroom there was a literal sewer. Then as the train pulled away I noticed a swarm of cops running down a street. Shotguns in hand.

Oakland.

620 danarchy  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:17:37am

re: #611 Gus

[Embedded content]

And the other half is ready to vote for a man who believes in a virgin birth, that Jesus was raised from the dead and that he will spend eternity in heaven with God after he dies.

Attack the guy for being anti-science, but attacking his religion is getting old.

621 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:17:44am

re: #538 lawhawk

I wonder why he was demoted and given a less than honorable discharge (but he never deployed overseas). It is being treated as a domestic terrorism case.

One of the main questions is why he would target a Sikh temple. Was it because he lumped Sikhs together with Muslims or mistook Sikhs for Muslims (xenophobia/Islamophobia). His white supremacist ties can support either.

Or, he could be the old-fashioned kind of white supremacist who just cares that they're brown and foreign and dressed funny, and doesn't have a particular thing about Muslims. There must be a few of those left.

622 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:18:49am

re: #620 danarchy

And the other half is ready to vote for a man who believes in a virgin birth, that Jesus was raised from the dead and that he will spend eternity in heaven with God after he dies.

Attack the guy for being anti-science, but attacking his religion is getting old.

Right. Unless he's a Scientologist. Then it's open season. He's still not getting a planet.

623 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:18:51am

re: #613 NJDhockeyfan

Occupy Oakland had a smashing weekend...

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I don't get it, how do they expect to gain support if they are smashing the windows of President Obama's Oakland HQ?

I posted that yesterday. Not surprisingly some speculated that they were right wing plants sent to discredit the Occupy movement. Meanwhile, my local franchise of OWS....
Police suspect Occupy Portland associated with Northeast Portland burglary
The poor occupier has a bump on his nose. I suspect police brutality!
/

624 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:19:14am

re: #549 Gus

Ugh. Odin's cross.

EmmmieG called that in post #1 of this thread. She wins.

625 Kragar  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:19:21am

re: #618 SanFranciscoZionist

Fucking Hamas. Excuse my Aramaic.

Because lobbing rockets into schools and residential neighborhoods, or suicide bombers in buses, are such pinpoint strikes against the Israeli military and leadership.

626 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:21:13am

re: #618 SanFranciscoZionist

Fucking Hamas. Excuse my Aramaic.

There's also evidence that the attack was assisted by mortar fire from Gaza, Hamas (or affiliated elements) not only facilitated the attack but possibly participated in it.

627 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:21:47am

re: #620 danarchy

And the other half is ready to vote for a man who believes in a virgin birth, that Jesus was raised from the dead and that he will spend eternity in heaven with God after he dies.

Attack the guy for being anti-science, but attacking his religion is getting old.

I think it doesn't bother me because I don't see these whacko's as actually having faith. They r cult members.

I am a person of faith, my identity isn't so wrapped-up in myth that I cannot use the brain I was given.

628 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:23:07am

re: #613 NJDhockeyfan

Occupy Oakland had a smashing weekend...

[Embedded content]

I don't get it, how do they expect to gain support if they are smashing the windows of President Obama's Oakland HQ?

Given the number of Oaklanders you still see on a daily basis wearing Obama t-shirts...

629 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:23:41am

re: #623 Killgore Trout

I posted that yesterday. Not surprisingly some speculated that they were right wing plants sent to discredit the Occupy movement. Meanwhile, my local franchise of OWS....
Police suspect Occupy Portland associated with Northeast Portland burglary
The poor occupier has a bump on his nose. I suspect police brutality!
/

Heh. It's just their fault!
//

They seem to be angry about everything including the president.

...Protesters - who included Occupy Oakland activists - said the city was cracking down on vendors and performers who came into the neighborhood during the gallery crawl without permits. Until June, the galleries had closed down a block of 23rd Street, but the approach got too expensive and hectic.

...The vandalism happened a little more than a day after someone damaged two Oakland police cars near City Hall and attempted to break a window at a police station early Thursday.

A group calling itself the East Bay Uncontrollables said it was responsible for the attack and called it a reaction to a federal investigation into anarchist activity.

Lauren Smith, a 30-year-old activist, said the goal of Friday's demonstration was to "create a space where people could have their social gatherings without asking permission from the city and the police department."

She said she was not at the rally but watched it live online. She said she did not agree with vandalizing cars, but that the window-smashing at the campaign office was justified.

"People feel betrayed by Obama. ... I'm surprised it hasn't happened before now," she said. "Oakland is a place where people are really struggling. When the pressure is released just a little bit, you see people go after those things that they see as responsible for the conditions."

630 blueraven  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:24:12am

re: #564 NJDhockeyfan

This is so sad.

Gymnast Gabby Douglas' mom filed for bankruptcy

The good thing is Gabby should be swimming in endorsements soon and her mom wont have to worry about money anymore.

compare and contrast
Romney takes a 77K tax deduction for dressage horse

631 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:24:17am

It looks like the Egyptians got their requested waiver on military presence in Sinai...
Egyptian Air Force deploys fighter jets to the Sinai

Egyptian Air Force deployed fighter jets in the Sinai Peninsula on Monday in the wake of the Kerem Shalom attack, for the first time since the Egypt-Israel peace treaty was signed in 1979, Egyptian news agencies reported.

Two fighter jets, armed with attack missiles, arrived in El Arish early Monday morning to assist in the effort to track down the fugitive terrorists responsible for the killing of 16 Egyptian soldiers on the border with Israel, a high-ranking security official in northern Sinai told the Egyptian news site Al Masrawi. The source added that more military aircraft were on their way.

He also said that within 48 hours, large military reinforcements would arrive in Sinai — a special measure coordinated with Israel in order to help track down the terrorists in Sinai’s rough terrain.

632 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:24:39am

re: #619 Gus

Last time I was in Oakland I was at a BART station. The restroom there was a literal sewer. Then as the train pulled away I noticed a swarm of cops running down a street. Shotguns in hand.

Oakland.

You had a good day. Never seen either, and I changed buses in downtown Oakland every work day this summer.

633 freetoken  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:25:14am

A lot of things come flying across the transom and I never know quite what to believe sometimes... as in this:

Drugs used on pregnant women to prevent lesbian, bisexual and intersex babies

Doctors in the US have been accused of experimenting on unborn female babies by using steroids to prevent ‘behavioural masculinisation’, in an attempt to prevent them being born lesbian or intersex.

As early as five weeks into their pregnancy, pregnant women are given the synthetic steroid dexamethasone, says the report published in the Journal of Bioethical Inquiry.

The Advocate reported that the drug targets ‘sex normalisation’ in the female foetus, to prevent it developing congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH), a condition meaning it could be born with more male-typical genitals and brains.

[...]

I think they are referring to this publication:


Prenatal Dexamethasone for Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia
An Ethics Canary in the Modern Medical Mine

Following extensive examination of published and unpublished materials, we provide a history of the use of dexamethasone in pregnant women at risk of carrying a female fetus affected by congenital adrenal hyperplasia (CAH). This intervention has been aimed at preventing development of ambiguous genitalia, the urogenital sinus, tomboyism, and lesbianism. We map out ethical problems in this history, including: misleading promotion to physicians and CAH-affected families; de facto experimentation without the necessary protections of approved research; troubling parallels to the history of prenatal use of diethylstilbestrol (DES); and the use of medicine and public monies to attempt prevention of benign behavioral sex variations. Critical attention is directed at recent investigations by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Office of Human Research Protections (OHRP); we argue that the weak and unsupported conclusions of these investigations indicate major gaps in the systems meant to protect subjects of high-risk medical research.

I'm not about to pay to read the paper... but it might be worth someone out there looking into this.

634 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:25:15am

re: #604 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but I think they want to be careful, simply because if you relax the rule, you may end up applying it carelessly to people whose guilt is less self-evident.

I still believe in "innocent until proven guilty" even if the guy is dead: just think about Lee Harvey Oswald...

635 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:25:57am

re: #610 Kragar

Pat Robertson Blames Sikh Temple Shooting on Atheists

Fuck you Pat.

Not a True Christian (TM), yes...

636 allegro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:27:24am

re: #630 blueraven

compare and contrast
Romney takes a 77K tax deduction for dressage horse

And she got, what, $1000 dollar deduction for her daughter?

637 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:28:10am

re: #633 freetoken

A lot of things come flying across the transom and I never know quite what to believe sometimes... as in this:

Drugs used on pregnant women to prevent lesbian, bisexual and intersex babies

I think they are referring to this publication:

Prenatal Dexamethasone for Congenital Adrenal Hyperplasia
An Ethics Canary in the Modern Medical Mine

I'm not about to pay to read the paper... but it might be worth someone out there looking into this.

I need to see a link to the published paper.

neh-ver mind

638 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:28:11am

re: #625 Kragar

Because lobbing rockets into schools and residential neighborhoods, or suicide bombers in buses, are such pinpoint strikes against the Israeli military and leadership.

Thing is, Rafah closing absolutely sucks for ordinary people. I've heard people say they like going to Egypt, not even for the things you can get, but just to be able to drive around someplace that's not Gaza.

But Hamas acting as though they're the big champions of the people...

639 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:30:53am

re: #633 freetoken

tomboyism?

I don't remember when it changes, but in the beginning all fetuses are female-no?

I have to wonder of the timing and dosage of said hormones.

640 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:32:23am

Dipshit patrol is out: "Army Psyop Officer Set Up In Sikh Killings?"

642 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:33:11am

re: #640 Gus

Dipshit patrol is out: "Army Psyop Officer Set Up In Sikh Killings?"

This would be Alex Jones.

643 blueraven  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:33:38am

re: #636 allegro

And she got, what, $1000 dollar deduction for her daughter?

And the Lochte's facing foreclosure, while Romney's tax plan would most likely eliminate mortgage deductions which would be devastating to the middle class.

644 allegro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:33:45am

re: #639 ggt

tomboyism?

I don't remember when it changes, but in the beginning all fetuses are female-no?

I have to wonder of the timing and dosage of said hormones.

I'm wondering how they determine sex at that early development. At 5 weeks it would have to be DNA testing on an embryo about the size of a grain of rice.

645 efuseakay  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:34:19am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

It looks like the Egyptians got their requested waiver on military presence in Sinai...
Egyptian Air Force deploys fighter jets to the Sinai

But... but... MOOSLEM BROTHERHOOD! SHARIA! OBAMA HANDED EGYPT TO AL-QAEDA!!!

//

646 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:34:41am

re: #640 Gus

Dipshit patrol is out: "Army Psyop Officer Set Up In Sikh Killings?"

As predictable as the sun rising.

647 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:37:05am

re: #494 Expand Your Ground

lots of people see it as a competition around who can f*ck the most people in the shortest space of time

Wall Street wins!

648 Gus  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:37:12am

Bulletin: Alleged Sikh Temple Shooter Former Member of Skinhead Band
Posted in Domestic Terrorism by Mark Potok on August 6, 2012

The man who allegedly murdered six people at a Sikh temple in suburban Milwaukee yesterday, identified in media reports as Wade Michael Page, was a frustrated neo-Nazi who had been the leader of a racist white-power band....

649 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:37:42am

re: #641 Shiplord Kirel

First picture from Curiosity for those who haven't seen it.

Is there sound to go with that?

Hello my baby
Hello my honey
Hello my ragtime gal!
Send me a kiss by wire
Baby, my heart's on fire!
If you will leave me
Then it will grieve me
Then I'll be all alone
Oh baby telephone,
And tell me I'm your own!

650 celticdragon  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:39:46am

re: #48 freetoken

I see that the idiot-o-sphere (HotAir, FreeRepublic, TheBlaze, etc.) are not able to digest this story. To them, it's clearly the fault of Obama, or Chomsky, or "librul" education, or something like that.

The professional hate industry is something to behold, but then again, it's been around for a very long time.

I just saw the story when I logged into RoadRunner, and the crazy is real, real strong in the comments section. People screaming about deporting anybody from India, and others wildly declaring that "quoting the Southern Poverty Law Center is a HUGE RED FLAG!! THIS STINKS!!"

I needed a shower after just 5 minutes...and that was just a news aggregate site. I can't imagine what the crazy at Red State or Malkin must be like.

651 GunstarGreen  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:39:49am

re: #641 Shiplord Kirel

First picture from Curiosity for those who haven't seen it.

Your all purpose excuse for everything today

That is clearly a fabrication. It's obviously daytime, and they mostly come out at night!

Mostly...

652 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:40:44am

re: #628 SanFranciscoZionist

Given the number of Oaklanders you still see on a daily basis wearing Obama t-shirts...

Be careful out there. From East Bay:

FUCK THE PERMITS! KEEP IT IN THE STREETS! Shit went down last night in Oakland :) Report, photos & communique from the action...

Last night, hundreds of Oakland rebels gathered during the monthly first Friday event to take over Telegraph for a rowdy street party with the aim of keeping things uncontrollable, spontaneous, bad for local developers and capitalists, subversive and fun. In recent weeks, the city administration and local business district associations have been preparing plans for cracking down on the growing crowds at the Art Murmur first Friday events which have transformed over the past year from a yuppie gallery walk to an epic street party bringing together diverse crowds from across the city. Their plans for control and containment were smashed to pieces last night.

The street party successfully took over Telegraph and inspired hundreds of others to do the same for over two hours. Case after case of free beer was distributed to the crowd along with spray paint cans which left FTP and anti capitalist slogans across the neighborhood. Music blasted from a sound system as hundreds danced for hours. As night fell, the crowd of over 200 moved towards downtown and ripped down the fence surrounding the empty lot at 19th & Telegraph for a third time since last fall when Occupy first took over the lot before being evicted by OPD. Slightly farther down Telegraph, cheers rang out from the crowd as the large plate glass facade of Obama's Oakland headquarters were smashed to pieces while Obama campaigners ran for cover. The dancing street party continued on and continued to grow in size before dispersing a little while later. There were no arrests and the mood was rebellious and fun the entire time.

Below is the communique handed out during the action:

FUCK THE PERMITS
KEEP IT IN THE STREETS

...We refuse to surrender our space. We want to encourage the organic and rebellious elements of Art Murmur to flourish. We are here to exercise a vision of a liberated city full of free art, free music, free culture, free expression, and free streets.

We are spontaneous, insurgent, uncontrollable.
These are our streets, and we are here to take them.
FTP! FUCK THE PERMITS! FUCK THE POLICE!

A storm is coming...

653 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:44:45am

re: #652 NJDhockeyfan

Be careful out there. From East Bay:

History will show that most calls for revolution on Indybay didn't quite...work out.

I always wonder if people have to take classes to learn to write like that.

654 Gretchen G.Tiger  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:48:52am

re: #644 allegro

I'm wondering how they determine sex at that early development. At 5 weeks it would have to be DNA testing on an embryo about the size of a grain of rice.

Amnio?

655 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:50:19am

re: #653 SanFranciscoZionist

History will show that most calls for revolution on Indybay didn't quite...work out.

I always wonder if people have to take classes to learn to write like that.

I doubt most of them made it to high school and know how to write.

656 allegro  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:53:47am

re: #654 ggt

Amnio?

I may be wrong, but I think that's too early for amnio too.

657 Aye Pod  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 9:56:52am

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel

Another reason I want to see space colonies: No creationists there. The habitats will also be free of Amway dealers, fire-walkers, psychics, and faith healers. How do I know this? These quacks go where the money is. Spaceflight requires a combination of guts and brains that would completely preclude any market for their services.

Fuck yeah to that.

658 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 6, 2012 10:07:27am

re: #655 NJDhockeyfan

I doubt most of them made it to high school and know how to write.

Organizing Oakland uprisings is a rich kid's sport. Like field hockey. Most of them were not permitted to drop out by their fascist parents.

(Whether they actually know how to write, of course, is another matter.)

I'm sure more excuses will be made for OO, but the fact is, attacking an Obama office, is not going to raise their already not-spectacular popularity with the people of the city. Obama is an icon for a lot of folks locally. As I said, it is very common to see Obama t-shirts--new ones, not ones people have been washing and wearing since the election--on everyone from geeky little boys to senior citizens.

I take the 57 bus route to and from work these days, cutting across a pretty big swatch of East and Central Oakland. People talk politics on the bus all the time, local stuff. I listen in. What's happening with the schools. Drug arrests. How the cops are handling things. Violence in the neighborhood. I don't hear Occupy mentioned. On the bus, in blue-collar neighborhoods in Oakland where people talk about their belief that the cops are recycling drugs back onto the street, and discuss meetings to keep local elementary schools open, Occupy doesn't come up.

In my part of the world, I'm simply not seeing much come from these people except self-congratulation and broken glass.


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