American Family Association Spokesman Fischer: Child Kidnapper Is ‘Obeying God Rather Than Man’

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Today, American Family Association spokesman Bryan Fischer clarified and expanded on those disturbing tweets he posted yesterday.

And by “clarified,” I mean he confirmed that he really does support the kidnapping of children in same-sex households: Fischer Says Ex-Gay Mom Had an Obligation to God to Kidnap Her Daughter and Flee.

For years now, we have been covering the case of Lisa Miller, a former lesbian who found Christ thanks to Jerry Falwell’s church and then sought to prevent her former partner from having any sort of visitation with the couple’s daughter.� After repeated violations of court orders regarding visitation arrangements, Miller was ordered to hand over custody of her daughter, at which points she kidnapped her and fled the country.

Ever since, the case has become a rallying point for anti-gay Religious Right activists and today a trial got underway for a man accused of helping Miller and her daughter flee to South America, prompting Bryan Fischer to come to Miller’s defense by declaring that this kidnapping was entirely justified because the little girl was being sexually abused by Miller’s former partner and so Miller had a responsibility “to obey God rather than man” and had no choice but to kidnap her daughter and run.

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1 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:34:28pm
‘Obeying God Rather Than Man’

And that'll get you arrested.

2 erik_t  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:34:56pm
prompting Bryan Fischer to come to Miller’s defense by declaring that this kidnapping was entirely justified because the little girl was being sexually abused by Miller’s former partner

I bet $10,000 that Mr. Fischer has a very strange definition of sexual abuse.

3 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:36:13pm

Words fail me. Seriously. I can't think of a single thing to say in response to this. This is beyond lunacy.

4 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:36:26pm

They demand total submission to authority, as long as its their authority.

Hypocritical bastard.

5 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:37:35pm

They really are trying to instigate a revolution, setting themselves up in opposition to the law at every turn.

6 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:39:43pm

Remember folks, the single biggest threat to our liberties is the danger of creeping Sharia and the Islamic takeover of America.

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7 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:40:32pm

re: #1 Obdicut

We have the right to act according to our conscience, that is the essense of Civil Disobedience.

But we still have to live with the fact that there will be consequences and cannot place ourselves above the law nor can we expect to escape punishment for it. We can at best hope to make an example that leads to a change of the laws.

that is the flaw in Fischer's line of arguments-

8 erik_t  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:42:34pm

re: #6 Kragar

Remember folks, the single biggest threat to our liberties is the danger of creeping Sharia and the Islamic takeover of America.

I'll take creeping religious law over religious creeps.

Helpful flowchart, for those who aren't sure.

Do you support kidnapping the kids of gays? -> yes -> you're a fucking creep
↓
fuck no what kind of fucking question is that?!
↓
you're probably not a creep

9 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:42:49pm

MormonVoices, a group associated with Foundation for Apologetic Information & Research, included Fischer on its Top Ten Anti-Mormon Statements of 2011 list for saying "Mormonism is not an orthodox Christian faith. It just is not ... It's very clear that the Founding Fathers did not intend to preserve automatically religious liberty for non-Christian faiths."

10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:43:00pm

According to Fisher abortion clinic bombers, the person who murdered dr. Tiller and those harassing abortion providers are also acting according to "God's Law". How long before we have another waco on our hands?

11 jaunte  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:44:18pm

Let's see, which might be more disturbing to a child's life: uneventful visitation with a familiar gay ex-partner, or traumatic relocation to Adonde, South America?

12 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:45:22pm

re: #7 Expand Your Ground

We have the right to act according to our conscience, that is the essense of Civil Disobedience.

But we still have to live with the fact that there will be consequences and cannot place ourselves above the law nor can we expect to escape punishment for it. We can at best hope to make an example that leads to a change of the laws.

that is the flaw in Fischer's line of arguments-

If they want to actually try to grab my kid, they won't live long enough to worry about the legal consequences. Not trying to provoke or have a comment removed. I am just stating my unvarnished opinion as what I would do if somebody tried to do something to my family. My response would be immediate and very, very violent.

13 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:45:50pm

Obeying Voices In My Pajamas God Rather Than Man

14 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:46:04pm

Unless of course we think you're against God, then we'll fucking cut you and steal your kids.

15 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:46:26pm

re: #12 celticdragon

If they want to actually try to grab my kid, they won't live long enough to worry about the legal consequences. Not trying to provoke or have a comment removed. I am just stating my unvarnished opinion as what I would do if somebody tried to do something to my family. My response would be immediate and very, very violent.

defending your family is certainly both legal and within the bounds of moral behaviour

16 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:46:48pm
had a responsibility “to obey God rather than man” and had no choice but to kidnap her daughter and run.

From the Ayman al Zawahiri School of Religion Rationalization.

17 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:47:23pm

re: #14 Kragar

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Unless of course we think you're against God, then we'll fucking cut you and steal your kids.

FTW

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:49:35pm
19 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:51:18pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Ukrainian synchronized swimming.

20 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:52:21pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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Misty May Treanor and Kerri Walsh are freaking awesome, though... :)

Our win last night on Women's gymnastics floor routine was one for the ages.

21 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:53:30pm

re: #19 Kragar

Ukrainian synchronized swimming.

I like unsynchronized bobsledding myself. Also known as crashing.

22 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:55:04pm

Some detail on the kidnapping case. It's complicated, and will be something of a lesson as Gay Divorce also becomes a recognized right.

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

23 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:55:32pm

Anti-gay bigot almost sets himself ablaze:

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24 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 1:56:58pm

re: #23 Charles Johnson

Anti-gay bigot almost sets himself ablaze:

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FIRE BAD!!!

25 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:00:14pm

Oh, so this wasn't a case of mouth diarrhea. He really does believe this is a good idea...

Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession.

Exodus 21:16

26 erik_t  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:00:48pm

Didn't Romney already mix up states once or twice this campaign? Can we do some sort of tree-height-coding to help the poor guy out?

Let's ignore for a moment that Mitt Romney's solution to what ailed General Motors was to just let the whole damn thing fail, thus making this choice of topics a rather curious choice at best for Mitt's increasingly self-satirizing campaign. His ad blaming Barack Obama for GM's closing of auto dealerships in Ohio has other problems as well. The outdoor footage at the four second mark? It's a clip of downtown Oklahoma City. Oklahoma City is notable for, among other things, not being in Ohio.

All aboard the failboat.

27 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:00:52pm

Proof that RWNJs aren't advanced enough to safely handle fire, let alone social, economic or political issues.

28 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:02:05pm

re: #25 ShaunP

Oh, so this wasn't a case of mouth diarrhea. He really does believe this is a good idea...

Exodus 21:16

Its in the bible*

*certain rules and restrictions apply.

29 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:02:20pm

re: #25 ShaunP

Oh, so this wasn't a case of mouth diarrhea. He really does believe this is a good idea...

Exodus 21:16

But..but.. That means Biblical kidnapping. It's different, just like Biblical slavery.

30 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:02:43pm

How many progressives endorse the kidnapping of baby boy infants from Jewish and Muslim parents in order to protect their little penis foreskins?

Apart from that asshole who made the racist comic book?

Zero?

Thought so.

31 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:03:16pm

re: #29 Decatur Deb

But..but.. That means Biblical kidnapping. It's different, just like Biblical slavery.

Joseph could have totally put all his brothers to death.

32 Henchman 26  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:03:31pm

re: #30 Learned Mother of Zion

How many progressives endorse the kidnapping of baby boy infants from Jewish and Muslim parents in order to protect their little penis foreskins?

Apart from that asshole who made the racist comic book?

0?

Thought so.

I don't know, how many?

33 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:04:01pm

re: #32 b_sharp

I don't know, how many?

I'm guessing zero.

34 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:04:55pm

re: #18 Charles Johnson

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What's on tomorrow? Nearly naked, very toned women playing volleyball.

NBC knows which way the ball bounces, and it isn't in watching women's weightlifting.

35 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:05:37pm

re: #34 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What's on tomorrow? Nearly naked, very toned women playing volleyball.

NBC knows which way the ball bounces, and it isn't in watching women's weightlifting.

There's a ball in that game?

36 Henchman 26  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:06:13pm

re: #35 Decatur Deb

There's a ball in that game?

No.

I think there is a gorilla somewhere though.

37 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:06:21pm

re: #33 Learned Mother of Zion

I'm guessing zero.

The movement to shut down circumcision might have had a chance if that jerk hadn't published "Foreskin man"*

*Possibly the creepiest comicbook ever published that did not intend to be adult themed.

38 Kragar  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:08:13pm

So technically, if God told me to slap Bryan Fischer with a herring, it would be perfectly justifiable?

I must consult the household gods. Cthulhu owes me one.

39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:09:11pm

No wonder Romney has been silent on Bachmann, he is courting her biggest supporters.

40 Lidane  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:09:55pm

re: #11 jaunte

Let's see, which might be more disturbing to a child's life: uneventful visitation with a familiar gay ex-partner, or traumatic relocation to Adonde, South America?

Clearly the gay ex-partner. Getting kidnapped and stolen to a whole new country where you don't know anyone and don't speak the language and where you're scared for your life is A-OK in God's book.

Why do you hate America?

41 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:09:59pm

Matthew 7:12

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

42 SteveMcG  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:10:47pm

re: #34 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I can't wait for the diving competition.

43 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:11:02pm

I wish the X-files were still on, I can totally envision a story arc where Mulder and Scully are investigating all kinds of right wing fringe groups.

44 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:11:54pm

re: #34 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What's on tomorrow? Nearly naked, very toned women playing volleyball.

NBC knows which way the ball bounces, and it isn't in watching women's weightlifting.

Speaking of toned, some of those gymnasts have scary looking legs (meant to be a compliment, they are incredibly well trained).

45 SteveMcG  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:11:59pm

re: #43 dragonfire1981

I wish the X-files were still on, I can totally envision a story arc where Mulder and Scully are investigating all kinds of right wing fringe groups.

Forget it. "X-Files" was on Fox.

46 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:12:01pm

re: #41 dragonfire1981

Matthew 7:12

So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

The book of Romney:

So in everything, screw over the little guy so he can't screw you, for this sums up the law and corporate profits.

47 erik_t  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:12:34pm

re: #39 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

No wonder Romney has been silent on Bachmann, he is courting her biggest supporters.

Wooo boy when Dobson isn't the craziest RWNJ in the meeting, some serious shit is going down.

48 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:12:51pm

re: #34 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What's on tomorrow? Nearly naked, very toned women playing volleyball.

NBC knows which way the ball bounces, and it isn't in watching women's weightlifting.

that woman weight lifter from Kazakhstan was actually pretty hot IMO.

49 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:13:13pm

re: #12 celticdragon

If they want to actually try to grab my kid, they won't live long enough to worry about the legal consequences. Not trying to provoke or have a comment removed. I am just stating my unvarnished opinion as what I would do if somebody tried to do something to my family. My response would be immediate and very, very violent.

You have to remember that in this case, the kidnapper was a member of the family.

These are very complex situations, often with very unhappy endings. The only situation I ever supported was the one in which the mother was convinced the father was molesting the little girl (and his previous ex-wife backed her up.)

50 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:15:45pm

re: #49 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You have to remember that in this case, the kidnapper was a member of the family.

...snip

The birth mother. For every two gay marriages we should eventually expect a gay divorce. Some will get as nasty as the hetero version.

51 SteveMcG  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:16:30pm

re: #44 dragonfire1981

Speaking of toned, some of those gymnasts have scary looking legs (meant to be a compliment, they are incredibly well trained).

I used to have legs like that. Actually I still do, but the rest of my body has caught up, unfortunately. Speaking of gymnasts, did they ever think of taking on the high jump? They use their legs like pole vaults on those tumbling runs, and I wonder just how high they really get.

52 Flavia  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:18:33pm

re: #30 Learned Mother of Zion

How many progressives endorse the kidnapping of baby boy infants from Jewish and Muslim parents in order to protect their little penis foreskins?

Apart from that asshole who made the racist comic book?

Zero?

Thought so.

Hmmm, I can imagine there are SOME, but definitely not in the same numbers.

53 erik_t  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:19:19pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The birth mother. For every two gay marriages we should eventually expect a gay divorce. Some will get as nasty as the hetero version.

Maybe less, since not many crazily religious families are going to be encouraging shotgun gay weddings.

54 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:19:55pm

re: #45 SteveMcG

Forget it. "X-Files" was on Fox.

Damn...forget about that. :P

55 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:20:31pm

re: #53 erik_t

Maybe less, since not many crazily religious families are going to be encouraging shotgun gay weddings.

There's a Glee episode in there somewhere.

56 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:21:18pm

Foreskin man

not the same as the famous hippie activist and storyteller Rumpleforeskin?

57 SteveMcG  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:23:31pm

re: #51 SteveMcG


re: #55 Decatur Deb

Well, on the other hand, Fox also brought us Glee.

58 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:24:12pm

re: #53 erik_t

Maybe less, since not many crazily religious families are going to be encouraging shotgun gay weddings.

just watch where you point that there turkey baster yah hear??

59 Mattand  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:38:03pm

re: #57 SteveMcG

re: #55 Decatur Deb

Well, on the other hand, Fox also brought us Glee.

Fox also shows The Simpsons, a show which often bites than shits on the hand that feeds it.

The entertainment division will run anything that makes it money. They don't have the ideological narrative that the news division pushes.

60 S'latch  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 2:47:35pm

It is not possible to know what the historical Jesus of Nazareth thought of homosexuality, because no one knows what he actually thought or said. All we know is what those who wrote about him after his death attributed to him. But, I tend to think that the actual historical Jesus probably would have disapproved of homosexuality. He probably would have considered as an abomination any sexual practice that deviated from the biblical prescriptions. He was born and raised as an observant Jew. His education would have been the study of the Torah which was the norm the world he lived in. And he was most likely religiously observant his whole life. And, he most likely observed all the biblical laws regarding sexual practices including the prohibition of homosexuality in the Book of Leviticus. But, who knows?

61 Ben G. Hazi  Wed, Aug 8, 2012 3:13:22pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

The birth mother. For every two gay marriages we should eventually expect a gay divorce. Some will get as nasty as the hetero version.

Love and marriage is messy as hell...can't do much about that.


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