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1 dragonfire1981  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:22:52pm

My grandfather loved astronomy and made a point to instill that love in me. He even bought me my first telescope when I was about 11.

Sadly, he died last fall and will never get to see any of this. A real shame as I know he would have loved every minute of it.

Gramps, wherever you are, thank you. Your love of the final frontier is still alive and well in your grandson and he still experiences the same sense of awe and wonder when he looks to the stars as he did when you first taught him about the universe so many years ago.

2 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:26:32pm
3 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:29:45pm

What, no Dr. Manhattan to greet us?

//

4 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:35:18pm

re: #3 Targetpractice

What, no Dr. Manhattan to greet us?

//

If you look to the north and zoom in I think I can see an Obama ad.

5 darthstar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:35:52pm

Looks like Nevada to me. ///

6 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:35:58pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

If you look to the north and zoom in I think I can see an Obama ad.

The rover itself is the Obama ad.

7 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:36:55pm

re: #5 darthstar

Looks like Nevada to me. ///

You're kinder than I. I was going to say Detroit.

//

8 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:37:16pm

What a great view. I took a full screen look at the rover itself-Looks like the skycrane rocket blast was really kicking up the dirt and pebbles. Curiosity needs a wash already. //

I'm wondering if that posed any risk to instruments and if NASA figured on that much stone and dust flying around.

9 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:44:58pm

It's something else. I've never been that into science but I've long been fascinated by space by and large because of its sheer magnitude along with my great aunt's involvement with NASA in the early years.

10 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:45:12pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

If you look to the north and zoom in I think I can see an Obama ad.

That's my house.

11 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:46:19pm

Looks like where they set up Burning Man.

12 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:46:31pm

I'm gonna try to describe this in technical terms. "Neat-o."

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:48:21pm

re: #6 erik_t

The rover itself is the Obama ad.

Wow, this mission is only 3 years old. Now that's fast!!!
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14 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:49:17pm

re: #5 darthstar

Looks like Nevada to me. ///

It's odd...the first thing I thought was that it does look kind of...normal. I've been places that looked like that, except they usually have at least a little more foliage. And often, telephone poles.

15 jaunte  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:53:06pm

Looks a little like the edge of the Salton Sea
Image: MG_3300_sml-800x533.jpg

16 dragonath  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 2:55:54pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

I think the normal is... kind of cool. Like when the aerial pictures were taken on Titan, they looked like the features on some mysterious map.

Shame that it's a cold, lifeless desert though.

17 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:05:30pm

Having a big rally for Ryan in Waukesha tonight. The tongue bathing is sloppy on all news outlets. Eww.

18 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:06:33pm

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

CCA, finally I'm saying "haaaay!"

19 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:08:29pm

re: #18 Stanley Sea

CCA, finally I'm saying "haaaay!"

How ya been. I finally have the intertubes on a regular basis again.:)

20 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:09:49pm

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar

How ya been. I finally have the intertubes on a regular basis again.:)

I'm good. Got my own condo, kinda bored, but it's my own place. I guess I got used to lots of peeps. Good/bad.

Can you say where to the great north you re-located? hope you are good.

21 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:12:51pm

re: #20 Stanley Sea

I'll send you an email.

22 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:14:39pm

re: #21 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll send you an email.

coolio

23 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:28:47pm
24 sagehen  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:31:44pm

Here's what Curiosity is missing:

25 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:32:16pm

re: #23 Daniel Ballard

Given the water supplies up there, he should be glad he doesn't have to develop any film. While the Diafine would last for a very long time, the final rinse would be a hassle...

26 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:33:15pm

re: #23 Daniel Ballard

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lol

27 b_Snark  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:39:22pm

Wow, Mars sure is a weird place. Has anyone else noticed the big chunks of Mars that are missing? Or I guess it could be dark matter.

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:41:41pm

re: #24 sagehen

At the end of that video there was a panel with 6 more videos. I suggest the one with the French news anchor with the cleavage. :)

29 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:52:43pm

OT:

Okay, maybe somebody can make sense of this, because I can't.

Scott Brown to Elizabeth Warren: Pony up for state's 'welfare voter' drive

Sen. Scott Brown confronted his Senate-race opponent Friday in a voter-registration controversy, calling on rival Elizabeth Warren to reimburse the state of Massachusetts for a mailing that promises to bring more welfare recipients into the voting booth this fall.

Senator Brown charges that, by mailing voter registration forms to people on public assistance, the state is using taxpayer money for partisan purposes – with the aim of helping Ms. Warren win their close-fought race. The state recently agreed to mail the forms in response to a lawsuit backed by liberal groups, who say Massachusetts has done a poor job complying with a 1993 federal law requiring that people be able to register when they take actions like renewing a driver's license or signing up for welfare.

"It's been disturbing for a lot of people to learn that the state's welfare department undertook an unprecedented voter registration drive," said Brown, a Republican, in a statement released Friday. "It is clear that this was done to aid Elizabeth Warren's Senate campaign."

Citing Warren's $13 million campaign account, he said his Democratic opponent should "should immediately reimburse the state for the cost of this mailing and stop playing politics with the taxpayers' money."

30 jaunte  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:59:07pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Republicans have convinced themselves that if everyone votes, they'll lose.

31 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:59:25pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

Okay, maybe somebody can make sense of this, because I can't.

Winning is important; if you can't take a day off and have your manservent drive you to the polls, you probably aren't important enough to vote.

32 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 3:59:29pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

If the registration forms were sent from the state, then no. If they had her name on them, then yes.

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:00:56pm

re: #31 erik_t

Winning is important; if you can't take a day off and have your manservent drive you to the polls, you probably aren't important enough to vote.

I know in Florida we have early voting which gives you 2 whole weeks to get to the voting booth so you don't need to take a day off. I personally have my ballot mailed to me.

34 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:02:00pm

re: #30 jaunte

They are correct. Of course if 90% of everyone votes, they lose. If 80% of every one votes they lose, if 70% of everyone... well you get the idea.

35 b_Snark  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:06:18pm

How do I vote?

36 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:06:57pm

re: #30 jaunte

Republicans have convinced themselves that if everyone votes, they'll lose.

I like yours better.

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:07:41pm

re: #35 b_sharp

How do I vote?

Move to Chicago, then die.
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38 sagehen  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:08:32pm

re: #34 Daniel Ballard

They are correct. Of course if 90% of everyone votes, they lose. If 80% of every one votes they lose, if 70% of everyone... well you get the idea.

For Ohio early voting, the Republican-leaning counties will be open 7am-9pm and weekends. In Democratic-leaning counties, it's M-F 9-5.

Didn't they used to at least try to be a little more subtle?

39 b_Snark  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:09:06pm

re: #37 Cannadian Club Akbar

Move to Chicago, then die.
/

I want to get in on all the voter fraud. I hear there'll be cookies.

40 jaunte  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:09:25pm

May 15 Demos suit against Mass. (press release):
[Link: www.demos.org...]

In a Complaint filed today in federal district court in Boston, plaintiffs point to what they say is clear evidence that the Commonwealth and DTA are not complying with federal law:

The number of voter registration applications submitted through public assistance offices in 2009-2010 (just 2,007) is down 92.5% from 1999-2000.
DTA’s own internal reporting suggests that at least 94.2% of its clients in 2011 did not receive the required voter registration services.
Nearly three-quarters of DTA clients interviewed in preparation for today’s suit reported receiving no offer of voter registration opportunities in any manner.

“The NVRA makes voter registration DTA’s responsibility,” said Maude Heard of NEU4J. “But because they’re not doing their job, we need to spend scarce resources helping members of our community get on the voter rolls.”

“We’re tired of picking up the slack when the state fails our most vulnerable citizens,“ added Juan Cofield, president of the New England Area Conference of the NAACP. “So, after years of neglect we decided to sue.”

41 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:10:50pm

re: #38 sagehen

For Ohio early voting, the Republican-leaning counties will be open 7am-9pm and weekends. In Democratic-leaning counties, it's M-F 9-5.

Didn't they used to at least try to be a little more subtle?

I wish the DoJ would lean on Ohio's GOP SoS to make it fair across the state by extending hours or not at all.

42 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:11:25pm

re: #32 Cannadian Club Akbar

If the registration forms were sent from the state, then no. If they had her name on them, then yes.

Brown's convoluted logic as to how Warren's responsible (Warren's daughter is chairman of a firm representing a party in the lawsuit that got these forms sent out) seems to be getting repeated as a matter of fact by the wingnuts right now. Why? Because the evil specters of ACORN and Soros are attached (somehow) and that's proof that it's all a secret effort to stuff the ballot boxes on Election Day for Warren.

43 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:11:26pm

re: #29 Targetpractice

OT:

Okay, maybe somebody can make sense of this, because I can't.

Scott Brown to Elizabeth Warren: Pony up for state's 'welfare voter' drive

It doers look a little wierd. The lawsuit brought by a group affiliated with Warren's daughter, etc but notice that Brown isn't talking about legal action. He's just making election year noise. Stolen election conspiracy theories are all the rage these days.

44 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:12:07pm

re: #38 sagehen

For Ohio early voting, the Republican-leaning counties will be open 7am-9pm and weekends. In Democratic-leaning counties, it's M-F 9-5.

Didn't they used to at least try to be a little more subtle?

Republicans are hard workers, so they need polls open before and after work. Democrats are lazy welfare slackers, so voting during the 'workday' is just fine.

Duh.

45 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:17:14pm

re: #39 b_sharp

I want to get in on all the voter fraud. I hear there'll be cookies.

We have cookies on the dark side.

46 b_Snark  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:17:28pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

It doers look a little wierd. The lawsuit brought by a group affiliated with Warren's daughter, etc but notice that Brown isn't talking about legal action. He's just making election year noise. Stolen election conspiracy theories are all the rage these days.

All your election belong to us.

47 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:18:32pm

re: #44 erik_t

Republicans are hard workers, so they need polls open before and after work. Democrats are lazy welfare slackers, so voting during the 'workday' is just fine.

Duh.

Election Day is a company paid day off where I work. Thanks to the UAW, even salaried workers get the day off.

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:19:09pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

Understood. But if they were sent out with her name actually on the envelope or with a letter from her saying "I did this for you" then there is a problem. If the state did it, then Brown needs to STFU.

49 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:22:42pm

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

Understood. But if they were sent out with her name actually on the envelope or with a letter from her saying "I did this for you" then there is a problem. If the state did it, the Brown needs to STFU.

Best I can find, there was no name or letter on them, as they came from the state. Brown's trying to muddy the water by declaring that the letters were forced on the state by Warren's daughter's company, but that the state complied because its dominated by Democrats and they're trying to get Warren into the seat.

In short, it's Brown trying to shore up his support as well as drive up donations by whining that everybody in the state's against him retaining his seat.

50 jvic  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:24:33pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

It's odd...the first thing I thought was that it does look kind of...normal. I've been places that looked like that, except they usually have at least a little more foliage. And often, telephone poles.

I like to imagine that someday that environment will have plant life which has been adapted to it.

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:26:55pm

re: #49 Targetpractice

I'll be honest. It said the state failed to sign people up when they renew their DL or sign up for welfare then that is the issue that needs to be addressed after all this bullshit is over. The state failed, or didn't try hard enough, to enforce a federal law. Massachusetts needs to look to their state gubment to find out what the fucking problem is.

52 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:27:55pm

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll be honest. It said the state failed to sign people up when they renew their DL or sign up for welfare then that is the issue that needs to be addressed after all this bullshit is over. The state failed, or didn't try hard enough, to enforce a federal law. Massachusetts needs to look to their state gubment to find out what the fucking problem is.

Agreed.

53 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:27:59pm

re: #47 Learned Mother of Zion

Election Day is a company paid day off where I work. Thanks to the UAW, even salaried workers get the day off.

Me too. I'd never heard of it until I started here.

54 Gus  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:28:10pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

It doers look a little wierd. The lawsuit brought by a group affiliated with Warren's daughter, etc but notice that Brown isn't talking about legal action. He's just making election year noise. Stolen election conspiracy theories are all the rage these days.

Right. It's a conspiracy theory. Perhaps using the phrase "stolen election" would categorize it under a 101st Chairborne Bush-era conspiracy theory but the reality is that the Republicans are tampering with election law for their benefit. If you don't want to believe that go right ahead. So far there are two court hearing involving these laws. One will be decided soon in Pennsylvania and another is forthcoming with the Obama administration in Ohio.

From Ohio to Colorado, state voting law fights head to court.

If you thought Pennsylvania was the only site of courtrooom drama this election season, you've another thing coming.

From Ohio to Colorado, legal fights over who can vote and the circurmstances under which their ballots are counted are landing in state and federal courtrooms, the Washington Post reports this morning.

Edward B. Foley, the director of the election law center at the Ohio State University law school tells the Post that political operatives are becoming increasingly savvy at election law challenges, often using off-year elections as the training ground for fights in presidential years.

"Each party has enough built-up knowledge and has lawyers that it can go to again and again,” Foley tells the Post. “There’s a kind of sophistication to it.”

Closing arguments wrapped up last week in Pennsylvania's Voter ID case. Opponents, represented by the state branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, are seeking an injunction to keep the law from taking effect during this November's general election, citing concerns that hundreds of thousands of people could be disenfranchised.''

Continues.

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:31:20pm

re: #54 Gus

YOU SAYING IT ISN'T A CONSPIRACY THEORY JUST PROVES THAT IT IS!!!

56 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:31:21pm

So, do we see Russia?

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:31:37pm

re: #55 Cannadian Club Akbar

Forgot this////

58 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:32:28pm

re: #56 reine.de.tout

So, do we see Russia?

No, but I can see in Sarah Palin's bedroom!!
-Rich Lowery
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59 freetoken  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:34:21pm

Yale team discovers how stress and depression can shrink the brain

Major depression or chronic stress can cause the loss of brain volume, a condition that contributes to both emotional and cognitive impairment. Now a team of researchers led by Yale scientists has discovered one reason why this occurs — a single genetic switch that triggers loss of brain connections in humans and depression in animal models.

[...]

Sometimes, things are just biological.

60 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:38:54pm
61 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:40:11pm

re: #60 Kragar

Broken clock, Mr. Fischer.

62 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:41:16pm

re: #60 Kragar

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More projection than an Imax theater.

63 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:41:19pm

re: #59 freetoken

Yale team discovers how stress and depression can shrink the brain

Sometimes, things are just biological.

Have you read Sapolsky's books? I think you'd really get a kick out of them.

64 dragonath  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:41:24pm

Wow, that video of the guy getting handcuffed at the Ryan event is really going viral.

65 freetoken  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:42:28pm

re: #63 Obdicut

Alas, more reading...

66 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:42:53pm

re: #64 Fred Galt

Wow, that video of the guy getting handcuffed at the Ryan event is really going viral.

Eh? Why am I always the last to hear 'bout these things?

67 dragonfire1981  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:43:15pm

re: #59 freetoken

Yale team discovers how stress and depression can shrink the brain

Sometimes, things are just biological.

You know it was interesting that this comment just happened to appear IMMEDIATELY before the posting of a Bryan Fischer tweet. Coincidence?

68 freetoken  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:45:01pm

Here's an interesting little tidbit:

Winged Man of Pasargadae to relocate to safe haven

This type of icon, men with wings and horns, from the Achaemenid period, is used then extensively by others, including the Judahite returnees, in their own religions.

69 jvic  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:45:14pm

re: #43 Killgore Trout

It doers look a little wierd. The lawsuit brought by a group affiliated with Warren's daughter, etc but notice that Brown isn't talking about legal action. He's just making election year noise. Stolen election conspiracy theories are all the rage these days.

I won't go into detail, but Brown got arrogant and complacent after his upset victory in the special election to fill Ted Kennedy's seat. That's not an unusual attitude for a US Senator, but it's reckless in a state in where one's party is overwhelmingly outnumbered.

Now the chickens are coming home to roost and Brown is flailing for issues.

It's not that he is greatly unpopular, but the demographics are against him and the state's majority party is determined to recover the seat. Despite everything he might be reelected but IMHO his chances are less than even.

70 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:45:21pm

re: #60 Kragar

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And yet I bet assclown here cries about Obama being too partisan.

71 freetoken  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:45:28pm

re: #67 dragonfire1981

You know it was interesting that this comment just happened to appear IMMEDIATELY before the posting of a Bryan Fischer tweet. Coincidence?

Providence.

72 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:45:35pm

Wisconsin Supreme Court won’t take up voter ID case

The Wisconsin Supreme Court refused to take up appeals to the state’s new voter ID law Monday, but an advocate against the law remained hopeful that they would take up the case in the future.

The law, which requires residents to show photo ID in order to vote, was blocked last month by two separate state appeals courts in Dane County. The two judges requested that the state’s highest court take up the appeals from the League of Women Voters and the NAACP, with a trial behind held Monday in one of those cases over the law’s constitutionality.

Despite the Wisconsin Supreme Court’s decision, League of Women Voters Executive Director Andrea Kaminski expressed her organization’s content with a lower court ruling the law unconstitutional.

“As far as we’re concerned, we had a victory at the lowest court level,” Kaminski told The Raw Story. “We’ve been happy to leave it at that. It’s the state, which is defending this law, that keeps trying to push up the law. So far, only one court has ruled the law as unconstitutional. We’re happy with that.”

73 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:46:22pm

re: #64 Fred Galt

Wow, that video of the guy getting handcuffed at the Ryan event is really going viral.

Gotta link?

74 dragonath  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:47:15pm

re: #66 Targetpractice

75 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:47:58pm

Ahh. I thought it was from the rally going on right now in Waukesha.

76 dragonath  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:48:17pm

I don't really like the way the guy snapped, but I've seen worse at political events. Hell, they used to give Kerry's hecklers awards for this kind of stuff.

77 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:48:32pm

re: #74 Fred Galt

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Ah, the old one from last time he was in town? Yeah, that's gonna get some serious airtime now that he's got the spotlight on him.

78 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:50:39pm

Ryan/Romney event livestream

Pushing their "you didn't build that" lie for all it's worth.

79 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:50:47pm

re: #74 Fred Galt

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Watch the little turd disrespect the old man too. Some crack about blood pressure. Must be nice when you're worth millions proposing legislation that will effect the lives of real people.

80 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:51:42pm

re: #78 Amory Blaine

Ryan/Romney event livestream

Pushing their "you didn't build that" lie for all it's worth.

Gotta love that, Romney's been whining about Obama twisting his own actions and here he and his tool of a running mate actually twisting Obama's words. Rules for Obama but not for Mitt and Paul.

81 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:53:21pm
82 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:54:38pm

They are drowning out a protester right now.

83 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:55:42pm

" Mr. President take your campaign out of the gutter"

-Mitt Romney

84 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:56:32pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

" Mr. President take your campaign out of the gutter"

-Mitt Romney

Yeah! Mitt's filled it up already.

85 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:56:40pm

"we're going to put work back into welfare"

-Mitt Romney

86 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:57:42pm

re: #80 HappyWarrior

Gotta love that, Romney's been whining about Obama twisting his own actions and here he and his tool of a running mate actually twisting Obama's words. Rules for Obama but not for Mitt and Paul.

Times I honestly wish Obama would go to a rally of working folks and tell them "My opponent says your boss made his millions without any input from you, that all you 40+ hours a week of manual labor has nothing to do with the success of the company. That if he fired every one of you tomorrow, he'd still make millions."

87 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:57:53pm

Romney's telling the "you didn't build that" lie.

88 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 4:59:50pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

"we're going to put work back into welfare"

-Mitt Romney

Oh, walmart's hiring again?

89 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:00:08pm

"I hope he's taken his blood pressure medication."

yuk yuk yuk

90 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:00:47pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

"we're going to put work back into welfare"

-Mitt Romney

He sure knows his audience.

91 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:00:54pm

re: #85 Amory Blaine

"we're going to put work back into welfare"

-Mitt Romney

"By doing away with welfare and telling folks if they want to survive, McDonald's is hiring."

92 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:01:11pm

re: #86 Targetpractice

Times I honestly wish Obama would go to a rally of working folks and tell them "My opponent says your boss made his millions without any input from you, that all you 40+ hours a week of manual labor has nothing to do with the success of the company. That if he fired every one of you tomorrow, he'd still make millions."

If he did that, Mitt would act like it was the worst mudsling ever even though Mitt's doing pretty much the same thing here. Sooner or later, the lies are going to catch up with Mitt. I can't wait for him to try the you didn't build this at a debate and for Obama to call him out on it. The guy needs to be shown to the American people for the lying fraudster he is.

93 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:01:25pm

re: #87 Amory Blaine

Romney's telling the "you didn't build that" lie.

Presidential campaign via dumbass facebook meme.

Sigh.

94 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:02:37pm

Speaking of welfare, I saw the Obama's campaign's response to the Romney welfare lying bullshit. Good ad. Has leading media outlets like the NYT and WaPo and President Clinton saying that Mitt's not telling the truth about it. Mitt can play this game all he wants with his base but other people aren't going to buy it.

95 dragonath  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:02:40pm

re: #83 Amory Blaine

Hungary's xenophobic wannabe fascist government tried "workfare", and now they have the worst economy in Central Europe.

96 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:05:00pm

Aren't a big chunk of welfare recipients children and disabled anyhow? That's why I hate Reagan's infamous welfare queen slur. The vast majority of people getting welfare aren't some greedy people trying to get your hard earned tax dollars. They're trying to get some needed help. Of course, Mitt has no problem with rich people welfare like the kind he got for sitting on his ass his last years at Bain.

97 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:05:18pm

re: #92 HappyWarrior

If he did that, Mitt would act like it was the worst mudsling ever even though Mitt's doing pretty much the same thing here. Sooner or later, the lies are going to catch up with Mitt. I can't wait for him to try the you didn't build this at a debate and for Obama to call him out on it. The guy needs to be shown to the American people for the lying fraudster he is.

Romney: "President Obama tells folks that if you're successful, if you're rich, then you didn't build that, didn't earn that, the government gave it to you."

Obama: "Governor Romney, during your time at Bain, how many investments did you save through government support, government welfare? How many pensions did you use as collateral to stuff investor pockets, leaving the government to pick up the tab?"

Romney: "Uhm...uh...lies!"

98 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:06:31pm

re: #97 Targetpractice

Romney: "President Obama tells folks that if you're successful, if you're rich, then you didn't build that, didn't earn that, the government gave it to you."

Obama: "Governor Romney, during your time at Bain, how many investments did you save through government support, government welfare? How many pensions did you use as collateral to stuff investor pockets, leaving the government to pick up the tab?"

Romney: "Uhm...uh...lies!"

I would like Obama or someone to ask Mitt about all the federal money he got for the Olympics. I mean it's fine that he did obviously but the guy has a lot of nerve whining about big government when he in the past got federal money for a business venture, not only that, he bragged about getting every penny for the Olympics.

99 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:08:33pm

re: #95 Fred Galt

You already work for a welfare check in Wisconsin. And there's like a lifetime cap of 2 or 3 years.

The "fair and balanced" station just called Romney comment "Mr. President take your campaign out of the gutter" ahem, poignant.

100 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:10:43pm

I'm sure Mr. Romney's primary opponents know a thing about gutter politics, Mitt, and it's that you play it with the best of them. What is it, Mitt? Are you really so deluded to think that you're so special to think that you're allowed to mudsling but your opponents aren't allowed to? Really I think this guy thinks the presidency and the perks that come with it are a birthright to him. This isn't a monarchy, you tool, where we constantly praise his majesty Mitt, and don't criticize him.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:11:34pm

OT- Tuesday I start at a place owned by 2 brothers- one won "Top Chef", the other took runner up in a different season. Last 4 years in Florida, no work. I've been here 5 days and bingo. Heh

102 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:14:09pm

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT- Tuesday I start at a place owned by 2 brothers- one won "Top Chef", the other took runner up in a different season. Last 4 years in Florida, no work. I've been here 5 days and bingo. Heh

You must have showed them your resume and said, "If you play your cards right, you can earn a place on this document".

103 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:15:01pm

Burn.

Sen. John McCain said on Sunday that Mitt Romney's selection of Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate reminded him of his own game-changing choice in 2008. Choosing Ryan was "a pretty bold choice," McCain said, just like his pick of Sarah Palin.

"I am still proud of my running mate," McCain, R-Az., said on Fox News Sunday. "I am proud of Sarah and her family."

104 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:17:02pm

re: #103 erik_t

Burn.

Wonder if McCain realized what he was saying with regards to Romney.

105 b_Snark  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:19:18pm

Remington: Escape cat => jail cat.

He lost his tin cup.

106 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:19:21pm

McCain had some not nice things to say about Obama this morning.

107 dragonath  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:21:23pm

If anyone wonders why McCain doesn't like Romney, this clip illustrates why.

Please, watch the whole thing.

108 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:23:27pm

re: #96 HappyWarrior

Aren't a big chunk of welfare recipients children and disabled anyhow? That's why I hate Reagan's infamous welfare queen slur. The vast majority of people getting welfare aren't some greedy people trying to get your hard earned tax dollars. They're trying to get some needed help. Of course, Mitt has no problem with rich people welfare like the kind he got for sitting on his ass his last years at Bain.

But, but, they're the JOB CREATORS, dontchaknow?

///

109 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:23:46pm

re: #103 erik_t

Burn.

the old damning with faint praise. I think McCain deep down knows Palin was a mistake but he doesn't want to admit it. Maybe it's stubbornness, maybe he's still afraid of the far right within the party, or something else but I think he is in denial about Palin.

110 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:26:15pm

re: #107 Fred Galt

"I oppose torture. Torture bad."

"What's torture?"

"It would be irresponsible of us to define what torture is..."

111 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:27:54pm

re: #103 erik_t

Burn.

You know that McCain can't be saying that of his own free will, his record since 2008 notwithstanding. I get the feeling he's just holding his nose while taking his required bite of the shit sandwich that is the 2012 GOP presidential noms, while damning Palin with faint praise.

112 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:30:17pm

re: #111 TedStriker

I get the feeling he's just holding his nose while taking his required bite of the shit sandwich that is the 2012 GOP presidential noms.

Not like he'll run again. I suppose he could, y'know, be a mavericky maverick and actually be honest and leave office with some remaining shred of dignity.

113 sagehen  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:31:14pm

re: #104 Mocking Jay

Wonder if McCain realized what he was saying with regards to Romney.

Yes.

McCain doesn't like Romney, at all. This is a deliberate punch in the face that nobody can call him on.

114 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:31:17pm

1/2 of America will believe the lies. Believe it!

115 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:36:32pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

1/2 of America will believe the lies. Believe it!

But Obama's a meanie and he needs to stop being mean and keep everything civil.

116 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:37:06pm

re: #109 HappyWarrior

the old damning with faint praise. I think McCain deep down knows Palin was a mistake but he doesn't want to admit it. Maybe it's stubbornness, maybe he's still afraid of the far right within the party, or something else but I think he is in denial about Palin.

re: #113 sagehen

Yes.

McCain doesn't like Romney, at all. This is a deliberate punch in the face that nobody can call him on.

The more I think about that McCain quote, the more I think it was purposely loaded; it could be exactly as he said it or it's sarcastic as hell.

I'm hoping for sarcastic.

117 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:38:04pm

re: #115 erik_t

But Obama's a meanie and he needs to stop being mean and keep everything civil.

I've heard rumors he might be black.
/

118 Ben G. Hazi  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:39:42pm

re: #117 Kragar

I've heard rumors he might be black.
/

"The sheriff is a ni-*CLANG*"

119 erik_t  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:43:02pm

re: #117 Kragar

I've heard rumors he might be black.

WE'RE NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY OF ANYTHING WE'RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

120 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:46:14pm

re: #119 erik_t

WE'RE NOT ACCUSING ANYBODY OF ANYTHING WE'RE JUST ASKING QUESTIONS

I'm not accusing Ryan of anything, but how do he know he wasn't a transvestite stripper who had an act where he dressed like a nun while he attended college? I'm brave enough to ask. What is he so scared of?
/

121 Vicious Babushka  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:48:22pm

re: #120 Kragar

I'm not accusing Ryan of anything, but how do he know he wasn't a transvestite stripper who had an act where he dressed like a nun while he attended college? I'm brave enough to ask. What is he so scared of?
/

The trained pig is going to write a tell-all.

122 Kragar  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:49:53pm

re: #121 Learned Mother of Zion

The trained pig is going to write a tell-all.

Rush is writing a new book?

123 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:50:30pm

Who knows with McCain. Sometimes I think the guy shows he's one of the more statesmanly leaders in his own party. Othertimes, he comes across as way too hungry for war and overly partisan. I think the 2000 primary campaign really disillusioned him.

124 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:52:49pm

By the way, is there any possiblity that one of the Republicans they're getting at the DNC is Dick Lugar? From what I know, he and Obama get along quite well personally, and from what I understand Lugar was quite upset about the tone in his primary campaign. But Lugar while a reasonable guy wasn't really a GOP centrist.

125 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:53:42pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

Who knows with McCain. Sometimes I think the guy shows he's one of the more statesmanly leaders in his own party. Othertimes, he comes across as way too hungry for war and overly partisan. I think the 2000 primary campaign really disillusioned him.

there's a secret laboratory where they take old fashioned intelligent republicans and brainwash them

126 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:54:37pm

re: #125 engineer cat

there's a secret laboratory where they take old fashioned intelligent republicans and brainwash them

Are you sure that's not a euperhanism for being primaried and then somehow surviving?

127 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 5:56:04pm

got my car dinged today by a driver with no insurance

fucking shit puts a bit of a crimp in things

128 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 6:02:43pm

Hot enough for ya? Just thinking beach...

129 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 6:04:26pm

re: #101 Cannadian Club Akbar

OT- Tuesday I start at a place owned by 2 brothers- one won "Top Chef", the other took runner up in a different season. Last 4 years in Florida, no work. I've been here 5 days and bingo. Heh

Don't post any Youtube vids of you abusing the produce.

130 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 12, 2012 9:56:36pm
131 steve_davis  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 6:08:03am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

It's odd...the first thing I thought was that it does look kind of...normal. I've been places that looked like that, except they usually have at least a little more foliage. And often, telephone poles.

Try Lubbock, Texas. It looks just like that, just drier.

132 sffilk  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:06:09am

OH WOW!

133 tomg51spence  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:12:01am

Thanks, Charles!


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