Pamela Geller’s Offensive Anti-Muslim Ads Hit San Francisco Buses

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[Link: www.alternet.org…]

The ads, which were rejected in New York by the Metropolitan Transit Authority before a judge ruled that the decision violated free speech rights, send a strident pro-Israel message. They read: “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.” Then, between two Jewish Stars of David, the ad reads: “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad.” The initial MTA decision in New York to reject the ads were because they “violated [the MTA’s] prohibition on ads that demeaned individuals or groups on the basis of race, color, religion, national origin and five other specific categories,” according to the New York Times.

As ABC reported, San Francisco’s Municipal Transportation Agency has a policy against allowing political ads. But the legal victory for Geller in New York apparently “had an impact,” ABC reports. The advertisements are meant to counter other billboards that have ran in California that question US military aid to Israel.

The money for the ads was fronted by the American Freedom Defense Initiative, an anti-Islam group run by Geller and fellow anti-Muslim blogger Robert Spencer. Geller’s organization has been labeled a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Geller and Spencer led the fight against the Islamic community center in Manhattan in 2010, and routinely publish demeaning material about Islam and Muslims on their respective blogs. Geller, for example, once published an image of the Prophet Muhammad with a pig on his head and urine dripping from his face.

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483 comments
1 researchok  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 4:01:15pm

Outrageous and deceitful protest.

What other groups do is excuse for similar behavior.

2 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 5:31:43pm

I'll be in the City tomorrow on business. I'll see if I can get a decent shot to share with the blog.

3 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:10:53pm

Someone forgot the 1st Amendment doesn't mean you have to give someone a soapbox.

4 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:11:05pm

Well this sure as hell doesn't help anyone's cause.

5 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:11:49pm

re: #4 dragonath

Well this sure as hell doesn't help anyone's cause.

Well, it helps some people...

6 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:12:10pm

I will never understand how anyone can live with that much hatred for another person, and all because of which mythical sky father they worship.

Makes zero sense at all to me.

7 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:16:29pm

Bryan Fischer should just cut to the chase and preface everything he says with a "GOD HATES..."

8 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:16:56pm

Maybe it's a quibble relative to a whole heap of ugliness, but the use of civilized / savage in this way invokes very, very bad things.

9 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:17:55pm

re: #8 The Ghost of a Flea

A slash & burn broad brush.

10 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:19:07pm

re: #8 The Ghost of a Flea

Maybe it's a quibble relative to a whole heap of ugliness, but the use of civilized / savage in this way invokes very, very bad things.

Pam doesn't care. She's a bigot. Bigots want to invoke those very, very bad things.

11 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:19:40pm

re: #7 dragonath

Bryan Fischer should just cut to the chase and preface everything he says with a "GOD HATES..."

"Ours is a kind and loving faith and you will burn for eternity if you don't live your life exactly as we say."

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:21:00pm
13 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:21:40pm

re: #5 Kragar

Couldn't be any commands like that in Fischer's book, could there?

14 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:23:42pm
“Whatever weight might be assigned to the governmental interest in banning demeaning speech on the exterior of New York City buses on an evenhanded basis,” Judge Engelmayer said, “there is no good reason for protecting some individuals and groups, but not others, from such abuse.”

Damn Judicial activism!
/

15 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:24:22pm

re: #13 jaunte

Couldn't be any commands like that in Fischer's book, could there?

I hear one should be careful about getting tattoos.

16 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:25:22pm

O.T. Deputy Chief Brenda Lee Johnson has passed on the torch, The Closer is done, now we just have to see if Major Crimes is worth watching as a replacement.

/Sorry, but damn it I hate when one of the few shows left worth watching and that I personally liked gets canceled/re-imaged.

17 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:25:44pm

re: #15 Kragar

[Link: www.religioustattoos.net...]

18 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:26:09pm

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Damn Judicial activism!
/

Do not the insanely hateful deserve their first amendment rights?
/

19 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:27:01pm

re: #17 jaunte

[Link: www.religioustattoos.net...]

Leviticus 19:28

SINNERS!!!!

20 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:27:44pm

re: #19 Kragar

This one might take the bad taste prize:
[Link: www.religioustattoos.net...]

21 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:28:28pm

re: #20 jaunte

This one might take the bad taste prize:
[Link: www.religioustattoos.net...]

"Eating M&Ms is a real pain in the ass though."

22 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:29:06pm

Someone down the street put up a cross in their front yard and strung christmas lights around it so it looks like it's a-glow from a distance.

Yeah, perfectly normal.

23 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:29:11pm

re: #12 Charles Johnson

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This guy is good.

24 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:29:24pm

I was just checking out the A&M shooter's Facebook page. The psycho had a Czech VZ-58 rifle, which is probably the one he used today. He had been unemployed for some time, but he paid $799 for this gun not too long ago. How do people like this get the money? And why didn't he pawn it to pay his rent instead of shooting the cop who showed up to serve the eviction notice?

I also noticed that he had a Russian Moisin-Nagant rifle like mine. He even has the same canned Hungarian ammo for it. This makes me sad and somehow angry.

He was a big Sarah Palin fan, btw. Doesn't make it her fault, but so far no psycho shooter has been a red-hot admirer of Joe Biden.

25 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:31:36pm

Bet they wouldn't allow this ad to go up on a bus in Israel.

26 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:32:00pm

re: #18 Kragar

Do not the insanely hateful deserve their first amendment rights?
/

Yes, they do.
/this srac tag is not a srac tag

27 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:32:57pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

Yes, they do.
/this srac tag is not a srac tag

Right. Like college faculties and Norman Finkelstein.

28 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:33:44pm

Whatever happened to her plan to sail a ship around the world saving people from Muslims? Some wingnut billionaires threw some money away on that scheme.

29 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:34:40pm

re: #27 Gus

Right. Like college faculties and Norman Finkelstein.

Crazy Pam is not guaranteed a lifetime salary from a university either.

30 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:34:58pm
"send a strident pro-Israel message"

The ad wasn't a strident pro-Israel message it was a strident anti-Islam message.

31 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:36:33pm

To tell you the truth folks, I feel tainted by psychos and their guns. The Denver shooter used an AR-15, I've fired many thousands of rounds through very similar rifles. The Sikh temple asshole used a Glock handgun. I don't own one but I do, or did, like them and had thought pretty seriously about buying one if I ever want to replace my 1911. Today's murder-hobbyist liked Russian rifles (the VZ-58 is based on the AK). I actually do have those.

I don't think I'm nuts but, damn, I hate to be on the same planet with these people, let alone have a shared interest with them.

32 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:37:59pm

re: #11 Kragar

"Ours is a kind and loving faith and you will burn for eternity if you don't live your life exactly as we say."

Your just buying into God's trolling bible posts, yeah, he's a real prankster like that. In reality hell is just exactly like heaven, except that in hell the only internet provider is AOL dial-up and the only porn available is 'Clop'.

33 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:41:22pm

re: #22 dragonath

Someone down the street put up a cross in their front yard and strung christmas lights around it so it looks like it's a-glow from a distance.

Yeah, perfectly normal.

Wow. People are scared. Clinging.

34 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:43:35pm

re: #31 Shiplord Kirel

To tell you the truth folks, I feel tainted by psychos and their guns. The Denver shooter used an AR-15, I've fired many thousands of rounds through very similar rifles. The Sikh temple asshole used a Glock handgun. I don't own one but I do, or did, like them and had thought pretty seriously about buying one if I ever want to replace my 1911. Today's murder-hobbyist liked Russian rifles (the VZ-58 is based on the AK). I actually do have those.

I don't think I'm nuts but, damn, I hate to be on the same planet with these people, let alone have a shared interest with them.

Yeah, I hear you. I sometimes feel that way about my Mausers, especially my two Mauser handguns (HSc & C96 Bolo) even though I can't think of any mass spree with their kind.

35 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:46:52pm

I think a serious, clinical mental health evaluation as a condition for gun ownership is in order. There, I said it. So sue me, NRA.

36 Tigger2  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:47:19pm

Those buses sound like prime targets for paint balls. lol

37 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:47:23pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

I think a serious, clinical mental health evaluation as a condition for gun ownership is in order. There, I said it. So sue me, NRA.

You can own it. You just can't take it home from the range.

38 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:48:23pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

I think a serious, clinical mental health evaluation as a condition for gun ownership is in order. There, I said it. So sue me, NRA.

Yep. I said that right after the Aurora shooting. Start with yearly a medical just like they do with pilots. You will not pass a medical for your pilots license if you have serious mental health issues. This is done for obvious safety issues.

39 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:48:41pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

I think a serious, clinical mental health evaluation as a condition for gun ownership is in order. There, I said it. So sue me, NRA.

You, of course, know that's never going to fly. Just like my idea of getting references, i.e. people close to you who may know you are fucked up. But wouldn't work either. You only put down good references.

sucks

40 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:49:49pm

re: #36 Tigger2

Those buses sound like prime targets for paint balls. lol

paintballs are constitutionally protected speech

or they oughta be iffen they aint

41 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:51:15pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Crazy Pam is not guaranteed a lifetime salary from a university either.

It's a complicated issue for all of these situations. This ad will simply inflame peoples' feelings and won't help. BTW, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything yet about the author of the linked article at Alternet.

42 Tigger2  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:51:23pm

re: #40 engineer cat

paintballs are constitutionally protected speech

or they oughta be iffen they aint

The way I see it paint balls are people to. lol Just as much as a Corporations.

43 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:52:33pm
44 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:52:48pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

You, of course, know that's never going to fly. Just like my idea of getting references, i.e. people close to you who may know you are fucked up. But wouldn't work either. You only put down good references.

sucks

It's interesting that the mothers of both the theater shooter and today's nut-job knew, or strongly suspected, that their sons were involved as soon as soon they heard the news. Maybe you should have a note from your mother before you can a buy a gun. It's more than we have now.

45 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:53:21pm

Nice catch by some guy on Kos, it's an interview where Ryan was agreeing with Glenn Beck. This fits in nicely with the religion theme here. The relevant part:

BECK: OK. Hang on just a second. I -- did you see my speech at CPAC?
RYAN: Yeah, I've read it. I didn't see it. I've read a transcript of it.

BECK: OK. I think we're saying the same thing. I call it --

RYAN: We are saying the same thing.

BECK: it's a cancer.

RYAN: Exactly. Look, I come from -- I'm calling you from Janesville, Wisconsin --

BECK: Holy cow.

RYAN: -- where I'm born and raised, where we raised our family, 35 miles from Madison. I grew up hearing about this stuff. This stuff came from these German intellectuals to Madison, University of Wisconsin, and then sort of out from there at the beginning of the last century. So, this is something we are familiar with where I come from.

It never sat right with me, and as I grew up, I learned more about the Founders and reading the Austrians and others, that this is really a cancer. Because it basically takes the notion that our rights come from God and nature, and turns it on its head and says, "No, no, no, no. They come from government. And we here in government are here to give you your rights and therefore ration, redistribute, and regulate your rights." It's a complete affront of the whole idea of this country. And that is, to me, what we as conservatives -- or classical liberals, if you want to get technical --

BECK: Thank you.

RYAN: -- ought to be doing to flush this out. [Premiere Radio Networks, The Glenn Beck Program, 4/12/10]

"Classical liberalism!"

46 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:55:23pm

re: #41 Gus

It's a complicated issue for all of these situations. This ad will simply inflame peoples' feelings and won't help. BTW, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything yet about the author of the linked article at Alternet.

Like any other reasonable person I completely ignored any content from alternet. It's certainly bullshit which is the only reason why someone would link to alternet in the first place. I skimmed and went to the first link to a reputable source (NYT) which pegged it as a first amendment issue. I paid no attention to whatever idiot posted the alternet link.

47 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:57:12pm

Waitaminute.

Greater social stratification, with no real difference between the business asshole in charge and the government asshole in charge? Total lack of respect for the environment, particularly with regards to nasty muds and slurries in industrial production?

Are we sure Ryan isn't actually from Jaynestown?

48 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 7:58:02pm

I wonder how many impressionable teens see these ads.

49 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:02:38pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Like any other reasonable person I completely ignored any content from alternet. It's certainly bullshit which is the only reason why someone would link to alternet in the first place. I skimmed and went to the first link to a reputable source (NYT) which pegged it as a first amendment issue. I paid no attention to whatever idiot posted the alternet link.

So this page links to Alternet because it's, bullshit? I'm a little confused.

50 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:03:02pm

Here we go again.

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:04:12pm

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

It's interesting that the mothers of both the theater shooter and today's nut-job knew, or strongly suspected, that their sons were involved as soon as soon they heard the news. Maybe you should have a note from your mother before you can a buy a gun. It's more than we have now.

Yah, Mothers. That would work.

52 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:05:59pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Like any other reasonable person I completely ignored any content from alternet. It's certainly bullshit which is the only reason why someone would link to alternet in the first place.

Ah. So in other words, you ignored what Charles posted, since he links to Alternet at the top of the page?

53 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:07:40pm

re: #5 Kragar

Well, it helps some people...

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CITATION NEEDED

54 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:10:01pm

re: #53 SanFranciscoZionist

CITATION NEEDED

I was going to cite David Barton's book, but apparently its no longer in print.

55 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:10:45pm

Paul Ryan is a dedicated catfish noodler.

56 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:11:44pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan is a dedicated catfish noodler.

A noodler in Wisconsin!?

Now I've heard of everything.

57 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:11:52pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

If he does it gloveless, like a man, then he should have some really fine scars circling his forearms. Catfish do have teeth, and they kind of spin on your arm when you noodle 'em.

58 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:12:42pm

re: #57 Obdicut

If he does it gloveless, like a man, then he should have some really fine scars circling his forearms. Catfish do have teeth, and they kind of spin on your arm when you noodle 'em.

It's probably not much fun for the catfish.

59 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:13:51pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

It's probably not much fun for the catfish.

Well, you get to bite the asshole who caught you. So it's probably more fun for the fish than regular fishing.

60 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:14:08pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

It's probably not much fun for the catfish.

Most human-catfish interactions are net negatives for the catfish.

I've noodled. I like noodling. Hard to find catfish big enough to noodle these days, though.

61 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:14:19pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan is a dedicated catfish noodler.

Lots of practice in the 'ramming down your throat' dynamic.

62 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:15:51pm

re: #52 Lidane

Ah. So in other words, you ignored what Charles posted, since he links to Alternet at the top of the page?

Of course I ignored it. A federal judge ruling on the 1st amendment carries more weight to me than what some idiot posts on an unreliable unfiltered site such as alternet. I only skimmed as far as the first reliable source, did I miss something or has alternet trumped the Constitutional right to free speech somehow?

63 darthstar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:17:11pm
64 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:17:25pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

What are you talking about? Are you under the impression the article is saying these ads should be banned?

What makes the author an idiot, exactly?

65 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:18:19pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

I think a serious, clinical mental health evaluation as a condition for gun ownership is in order. There, I said it. So sue me, NRA.

Unfortunately the Supreme Court has so far shown no inclination to allow any such tests or restrictions to their interpretation of a citizens second amendment rights.

It wouldn't work anyway. If every gun purchase needed a shrink to ok it first, then the shrink would be an employee of whatever low bidder won the state service contract for the evaluations. So they would all be low wage 4th rate school graduate hacks not willing to make waves or negative P.R. by denying someone a license unless they were so obviously and completely nutters at the time of the interview that they were worried about liability for the approval.

66 darthstar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:19:11pm

re: #56 erik_t

A noodler in Wisconsin!?

Now I've heard of everything.

He's an ice noodler.

67 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:19:30pm

re: #64 Obdicut

What are you talking about? Are you under the impression the article is saying these ads should be banned?

He's apparently determined to play the arbiter of what is and what is not a proper source. You know, being a fact-checker and all.

Also, I don't recall saying that an article at Alternet somehow trumped anything, but whatever.

68 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:19:54pm

re: #66 darthstar

He's an ice noodler.

See, I get ice fishing. You sit on your ass and drink and your wife doesn't get to come.

It's a wonder it's not more popular.

69 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:20:13pm

re: #41 Gus

It's a complicated issue for all of these situations. This ad will simply inflame peoples' feelings and won't help. BTW, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything yet about the author of the linked article at Alternet.

Just like when she put out those atrocious "leave Islam safely" ads in Chicago in 2011. Those were both ugly and stupid, classic pieces of Pampaganda.

70 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:21:31pm

Hey Ryan! Noodle this...!

Image: 26677d1309894417-blue-catfish-catch-virginia-record-giantcatfish.jpg

71 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:21:40pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Of course I ignored it. A federal judge ruling on the 1st amendment carries more wight to me than what some idiot posts on an unreliable unfiltered site such as alternet. I only skimmed as far as the first reliable source, did I miss something or has alternet trumped the Constitutional right to free speech somehow?

The Alternet article isn't advocating that the judge was wrong or that the ads be pulled, just reporting on the story. The ads are offensive, and protected. Again your unbelievably pathetic, piss poor reading comprehension skills cause you to infer a position that's not present in the source material.

72 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:22:09pm

Unfortunately the founding fathers with their radical interpretation of classical liberalism didn't have the foresight to prohibit noodling or slavery. Oh well, nothing's perfect.

73 darthstar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:22:39pm

re: #68 erik_t

See, I get ice fishing. You sit on your ass and drink and your wife doesn't get to come.

Sounds like sex in the Romney house, only there's no drinking.

74 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:23:18pm

re: #70 dragonath

Hey Ryan! Noodle this...!

Image: 26677d1309894417-blue-catfish-catch-virginia-record-giantcatfish.jpg

Friday night special at Catfish King.

75 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:23:22pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan is a dedicated catfish noodler.

He's also a Packers fan, which means he's got disappointment coming for sure in September.

/Go Bears!

76 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:23:23pm

re: #73 darthstar

Sounds like sex in the Romney house, only there's no drinking.

Oh snap.

77 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:23:31pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Wow. This is getting sad.

78 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:23:46pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

He's also a Packers fan, which means he's got disappointment coming for sure in September.

/Go Bears!

The Bears are bad and you should feel bad.

(V)(;,,;)(V)

79 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:23:53pm

re: #62 Killgore Trout

Of course I ignored it. A federal judge ruling on the 1st amendment carries more wight to me than what some idiot posts on an unreliable unfiltered site such as alternet. I only skimmed as far as the first reliable source, did I miss something or has alternet trumped the Constitutional right to free speech somehow?

Crushing videos are also a "1st Amendment" issue. Sorry, but this is more than a 1st Amendment issue. Freedom has it's consequences and sometimes it's not a positive consequence.

80 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:24:33pm

re: #71 goddamnedfrank

There really is no need for those sorts of insults.

81 allegro  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:25:42pm

OT: Winning! Fer realz.

I've talked about my dog walking friend here at the park - my politically low-info-voter-but-quite-conservative bellweather. (She's the one who asked me a year or so ago if Obama was a Republican or Democrat - as I said politically LOW info.) We don't talk about politics much at all, having a lot of other things to talk about during our half hour evening stroll but tonight she said "I am so sick of politics. I'll be glad when this election is over."

I commented that I thought this election was particularly interesting and fun to follow because I had never seen a bigger ideological divide between the two candidates and parties. She asked, "like how?" (that made me happy dance) I told her that in spite of some things that Obama has done and a couple of his policy positions that I don't like at all, that I was very much looking forward to voting for him again. I said that even if I didn't like a lot of things about Obama I would still vote for him because a vote for Romney-Ryan was just unthinkable. I started in on Romney, clicking off the issues (and OK what a lying, entitled sleaze bucket I think he is - she agreed), then on the Ryan plan, talking about what was in it and how just fucking evil the philosophy behind it is. She said several times as I was listing issues, "yeah, I've heard that but I didn't really understand what it was about... wow, really?"

By the time we'd made the loop around the park and were about ready to say goodnight, I laughed and said "Gee, you said you were sick of politics and what do I do but get on my soapbox!" She said that when I talk about it, it's fun and interesting and she wants to hear more. It's just the bits she hears on news broadcasts that she's annoyed with because they don't tell her anything - it's just fragmented sound-bites that she doesn't trust or understand because she doesn't follow the back-stories. Now that I'm filling in some of the pieces (in my own inimitable way - I'm nothing if not colorful when I get worked up about something) she's getting interested in finding out more.

I even have her now looking forward to watching the upcoming debates with me. This is huge. Turning Texas blue, one low-info voter at a time. :D

82 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:26:08pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately the founding fathers with their radical interpretation of classical liberalism didn't have the foresight to prohibit noodling or slavery. Oh well, nothing's perfect.

Unfortunately they thought those who followed might be as educated and intelligent as they were. Oh well, nothing's perfect, obviously.

83 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:26:40pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

There really is no need for those sorts of insults.

Of course there is. It advances the agenda and creates a false sense of community.

84 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:27:58pm

BTw, Breaking Bad Is having a great season.

85 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:28:08pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Of course there is. It advances the agenda and creates a false sense of community.

Which agenda? Agenda 21?

==The Agenda==

//

86 Achilles Tang  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:28:25pm

re: #68 erik_t

See, I get ice fishing. You sit on your ass and drink and your wife doesn't get to come.

It's a wonder it's not more popular.

It won't be either. Global warming and all.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:28:33pm

re: #72 Killgore Trout

Unfortunately the founding fathers with their radical interpretation of classical liberalism didn't have the foresight to prohibit noodling or slavery. Oh well, nothing's perfect.

Well, we got rid of slavery.

But if it's gonna take another horrific war to get rid of noodling, I might be persuaded to put up with the noodling. If I were to be completely honest.

88 Petero1818  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:28:36pm

re: #58 Charles Johnson

It's probably not much fun for the catfish.

Well maybe not but it is part of Gods plan and is part of Creation stewardship and mans dominion over everything.

89 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:28:46pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

No no, man, capitalize that shit.

It advances The Agenda. Or at least put it in quotes. "the agenda".

Don't explain what the fuck you mean, though. Keep it on the passive-aggressive side. Play to your strengths.

90 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:29:05pm

re: #82 Achilles Tang

Unfortunately they thought those who followed might be as educated and intelligent as they were. Oh well, nothing's perfect, obviously.

Yeah, they overestimated the advancement of human culture but I also thought we'd have jet packs by now.

91 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:29:35pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

There's nothing wrong with noodling. At least, nothing worse than fishing with a hook. It may say weirder things about the person who enjoys it, but honestly, I have a horror of hooks; noodling is more comfy for me.

92 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:30:10pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, we got rid of slavery.

But if it's gonna take another horrific war to get rid of noodling, I might be persuaded to put up with the noodling. If I were to be completely honest.

No war for noodling!

93 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:30:25pm

re: #88 Petero1818

Well maybe not but it is part of Gods plan and is part of Creation stewardship and mans dominion over everything.

It's not worse than normal fishing. If Paul Ryan noodles to catch a catfish for dinner, that no worse than you going to the store and buying a packaged catfish. Either way, the catfish is caught, killed, cut up and cooked.

94 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:30:51pm

Cow-tipping; fewer water moccasins.

95 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:31:28pm

re: #80 Dark_Falcon

There really is no need for those sorts of insults.

Charles updinged the comment so I'd appreciate if you directed your Emily Post sensibilities at someone else. Killgore talks out of his ass all the time. He frequently makes shit up, misrepresents, and reports his own erroneous inferences as fact.

96 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:31:36pm

re: #93 Dark_Falcon

It's not worse than normal fishing. If Paul Ryan noodles to catch a catfish for dinner, that no worse than you going to the store and buying a packaged catfish. Either way, the catfish is caught, killed, cut up and cooked.

Also, man, fish are dumb. I'm going to go ahead and say it's better than trophy hunting, no matter what you're doing with it.

97 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:32:32pm

Welcome to the Hoopster's Road trip journal..Day 10
Well Winston and I were on our way today to go fishing up north..( You know..God's Country ).
Last week I couldn't make a surprise contact with all my Biker Buddies from Indy..I ask around..Where are they?
Hey dumbass ..Everybody is at Sturgis..DUH!
So I called on the cell and told them I was in town..It was a great call..Talked to all the dudes sitting at a wild bar.
So I told Snake I was heading out to fish today..
No your not! I'm not? NO!
We'll be home in a few days..Do not go any where..
..Yes..Mr. Snake..:)
I love those guys..We all had season tickets to the Colts when I lived in Indy..
So..I'll be here in Indy for a few more days...Should be fun!

98 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:33:06pm

re: #96 erik_t

And catfish eat other fish. So really, you're saving the lives of countless other fish.

99 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:33:11pm

re: #97 Digital Display

WOOT!

100 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:33:20pm

re: #91 Obdicut

There's nothing wrong with noodling. At least, nothing worse than fishing with a hook. It may say weirder things about the person who enjoys it, but honestly, I have a horror of hooks; noodling is more comfy for me.

Noodling is fine as long as you don't fuck up the gills on anything you intend to release. I'm not into it because snapping turtles scare the shit out of me.

101 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:34:03pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Of course there is. It advances the agenda and creates a false sense of community.

Martyr.

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:34:34pm

re: #95 goddamnedfrank

Charles updinged the comment so I'd appreciate if you directed your Emily Post sensibilities at someone else. Killgore talks out of his ass all the time. He frequently makes shit up, misrepresents, and reports his own erroneous inferences as fact.

If you insist on flaming both Killgore and me, then I'm going to insist on criticizing you for it. Ca va?

103 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:34:39pm

Noodling doesn't work so well in the ocean, so I'll pass.

104 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:34:50pm

re: #98 Obdicut

And catfish eat other fish. So really, you're saving the lives of countless other fish.

Let's go tiger-hunting!

/

105 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:35:27pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

I have a lot of snapping turtle stories from my youth.

One time, when I was real young, my brother John and I were fishing in a pond near the house, and he got his hook caught in the arm of a snapping turtle. He hauled it to the surface and when that big, like, paw broke the water I ran to the house shouting "John caught a bear in the pond!"

Not my finest logical moment.

But come on:

Image: snapper_1.jpg

Those are bear paws.

106 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:35:46pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

If you insist on flaming both Killgore and me, then I'm going to insist on criticizing you for it. Ca va?

Knock yourself out daddy's boy. Learn to think for yourself and explain your own reasoning without relying on others and I'll actually start to give a shit.

107 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:35:51pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

If you insist on flaming both Killgore and me, then I'm going to insist on criticizing you for it. Ca va?

Before you embark on the Blast Furnace, what is this Agenda?

108 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:36:02pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Martyr.

==The Agenda==

109 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:36:16pm

re: #108 Gus

Wasn't he one of the guys on The Jersey Shore?

110 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:36:43pm

re: #109 Obdicut

Wasn't he one of the guys on The Jersey Shore?

Here's the situation...

111 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:37:45pm

re: #104 erik_t

Let's go tiger-hunting!

/

Start slow; try cat-noodling first.

112 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:38:16pm

re: #104 erik_t

Let's go tiger-hunting!

/

Blind folded!

And smelling of beef.

//

113 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:38:37pm

re: #107 Kronocide

Before you embark on the Blast Furnace, what is this Agenda?

Why, it is the DIABOLICAL AGENDA OF SOROS, what else?

/Entirely joking.

114 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:39:15pm

re: #110 Gus

Here's the situation...

Excellent. I just dropped in to see what situation my situation was in.

115 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:39:41pm

I don't always follow an Agenda, but when I do, it's extra sinstery.

116 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:39:44pm

re: #83 Killgore Trout

Of course there is. It advances the agenda and creates a false sense of community.

I should upding this.

117 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:40:34pm

Ello

118 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:40:45pm

I have no comment on noodling. CAnoodling, maybe. The two don't really resemble each other. That would be weird.

Anyway, the letter from the Georgetown faculty and admins is far more interesting.

[Link: docs.google.com...]

119 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:41:00pm

re: #114 The Ghost of a Flea

If you've never seen it:

Youtube Video

Q&A with the cast & crew of The Big Lebowski.

120 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:41:35pm

re: #100 goddamnedfrank

Noodling is fine as long as you don't fuck up the gills on anything you intend to release. I'm not into it because snapping turtles scare the shit out of me.

Pisses me off.. They noodle in Oklahoma..Stupid as a bag of rocks.
Hey..If you feel a need to regress back 300 years why not beat your laundry on effen Rocks also?

121 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:42:04pm

re: #117 Gus - Advancing the Agenda

Ello

One used for just $777.77!
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:42:23pm

In the interest of invoking the Magic Balance Fairy I will now compare the injustices of radical wingnut catfish noodling with Scottish Trout Tickling (I shit you not)
Tickling Trout

Youtube Video
123 allegro  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:42:29pm

re: #101 Stanley Sea

Martyr.

Where's CL? Need moar cookies!

124 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:42:39pm
In short, your budget appears to reflect the values of your favorite philosopher, Ayn Rand, rather than the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Ha! I've been saying Jesus was the Original Liberal for a long time. At least 5 minutes, which is like 3 Twitter Years.

125 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:43:23pm

re: #105 Obdicut

I have a lot of snapping turtle stories from my youth.

I have a ridiculous fear of snapping turtles. I've even had nightmares about them. Ugh. Just...ugh.

126 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:43:54pm

Man, if the chips on shoulders get any bigger around here I'll be able to sell them for lumber.

127 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:44:55pm

Let me put it this way. Perhaps Pam Geller has every right to put up her signage. That part is simple. Yet, there are many words that could be said, too numerous to put down here, to speak of her wrongs.

128 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:45:22pm
129 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:45:47pm

Here's more of that Q&A, shot by someone with severe vertigo.

edit: oops.

Youtube Video
130 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:45:51pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Man, if the chips on shoulders get any bigger around here I'll be able to sell them for lumber.

I'd say "Don't let things get to you so much", but it would be impossible. If you did that, you wouldn't be you.

/not an insult and not meant as one.

131 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:46:39pm

“At the center of our being is a point of nothingness which is untouched by sin and by illusion, a point of pure truth, a point or spark which belongs entirely to God, which is never at our disposal, from which God disposes our lives, which is inaccessible to the fantasies of our own mind or the brutalities of our own will. This little point of nothingness and of absolute poverty is the pure glory of God in us… It is like a pure diamond, blazing with the invisible light of heaven. It is in everybody, and if we could see it we would see these billions of points of light coming together in the face and blaze of a sun that would make all the darkness and cruelty of life vanish completely…I have no program for this seeing. It is only given. But the gate of heaven is everywhere.”

Thomas Merton, Conjectures of a Guilty Bystander

Good night

132 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:46:43pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Nothing getting to me, I'm just watching the show.

133 cinesimon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:47:23pm

How anyone can think such hate is stridently "pro-Israel" is beyond me. That's being very generous to Geller, and though it certainly reflects the current Israeli government's attitude toward Arabs & Persians; it's also suggesting that such a message is good for Israel. Which, of course, it ain't. Just as a message such as 'defeat the blacks' may represent some on the right wing, but is not 'pro-right wing'.

134 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:47:26pm

Tickling Trout part 2

Youtube Video
135 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:48:02pm

re: #120 Digital Display

Pisses me off.. They noodle in Oklahoma..Stupid as a bag of rocks.
Hey..If you feel a need to regress back 300 years why not beat your laundry on effen Rocks also?

If you had to choose between banning noodling and Nascar?

I figure modern society could use a certain amount of well chosen regression.

136 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:48:20pm

re: #128 jaunte

See, they don't understand. Here in Miami, we call it Juice.

Appearing with Romney was Sen. Marco Rubio. Both men handed out juices to an excited crowd after making brief remarks.

Oh, you betcha!

137 allegro  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:49:44pm

re: #136 What, me worry?

See, they don't understand. Here in Miami, we call it Juice.

Oh, you betcha!

If they didn't have rum in them, they were wasted.

138 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:50:49pm

re: #136 What, me worry?

Romney probably didn't know he was palling around with a bunch of coffee drinkers.

139 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:50:55pm

re: #134 Killgore Trout

Tickling Trout part 2

[Embedded content]

I throw paper-mache boulders in your direction!

140 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:51:09pm

re: #136 What, me worry?

See, they don't understand. Here in Miami, we call it Juice.

Oh, you betcha!

I've got to post this one now:

Youtube Video
141 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:51:59pm

Je jette des rochers en papier mâché dans votre direction!

142 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:52:05pm

Its funny, there's a website convinced we all have some sort of hidden agenda... 3.0? 4.0? I can never remember these trendy web names

143 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:52:26pm

So I have to write a manual. Besides doing it in Word.... what else would work?

This manual is for a business. It will be modified regularly, updated; it's the suppository for all processes in the organization. And if some some poor bastard with more money than brains gets the bright idea to buy my biz, I have a documentation package to sweeten the deal.

144 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:52:35pm

I do kind of like the caveman concept of hand caught food but that does present a new problem with mammals. I could choke out a goat or a lamb but a cow is a tall order for bare hands harvest. I guess beef is off the menu.

145 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:53:24pm

re: #143 Kronocide

So I have to write a manual. Besides doing it in Word.... what else would work?

This manual is for a business. It will be modified regularly, updated; it's the suppository for all processes in the organization. And if some some poor bastard with more money than brains gets the bright idea to buy my biz, I have a documentation package to sweeten the deal.

LyX

(ducks)

146 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:53:32pm

re: #138 jaunte

Romney probably didn't know he was palling around with a bunch of coffee drinkers.

Well, those coffee drinkers can be quite sketchy.

147 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:53:43pm
I guess beef is off the menu.

Toddlers on the other hand....

148 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:54:18pm

re: #126 Charles Johnson

Man, if the chips on shoulders get any bigger around here I'll be able to sell them for lumber.

That's a block of cheese on my shoulder. Stinky, of course.

149 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:54:45pm

What's the largest animal you could defeat in hand to hand combat?

150 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:55:26pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

What's the largest animal you could defeat in hand to hand combat?

A blue whale.

151 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:55:39pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

Goose.

152 allegro  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:56:29pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

What's the largest animal you could defeat in hand to hand combat?

Three toed sloth. Before you go hand to hand, you have to catch the suckers. That's the biggest challenge. Go for the slow guy.

153 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:56:42pm

re: #137 allegro

If they didn't have rum in them, they were wasted.

♩If you wanna hang out, you gotta take her out... ♩

154 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:57:01pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

What's the largest animal you could defeat in hand to hand combat?

Honey-badger

155 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:57:40pm

re: #128 jaunte

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I don't think Romney or Rubio did anything wrong with this photo op. As long as the owner of the shop has indeed cleaned up his act.

156 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:57:45pm

re: #144 Killgore Trout

I do kind of like the caveman concept of hand caught food but that does present a new problem with mammals. I could choke out a goat or a lamb but a cow is a tall order for bare hands harvest. I guess beef is off the menu.

Lawd have mercy. Didn't you people ever hear of a grocery store?

157 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:58:43pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

What's the largest animal you could defeat in hand to hand combat?

Some variety of shrew, or possibly a rock hyrax that's hit middle age, is stricken with ennui, and no longer finds zest in life or the things he used to enjoy.

158 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:58:45pm

re: #154 Digital Display

Honey-badger

Silly, honey badgers don't have hands.

159 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:58:46pm

re: #154 Digital Display

Honey-badger

No, you couldn't. A honey badger would claw you guts out. They are brutal fighters and truly don't give a shit.

160 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:59:08pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

No, they didn't, I agree. But Jamil Smith (in 128) has a point. Imagine the uproar if it had been Obama.

161 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 8:59:47pm

The largest I could defeat hand-to-hand would be Jon Minnoch.

Beat that.

162 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:00:09pm

Apropos of nothing: John Goodman on Inside the Actor's Studio.

Youtube Video
163 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:00:18pm

re: #154 Digital Display

Honey-badger

How?! Killing a Honey-badger is a conundrum! Because the Honey-badger will just take one good look at you and think to himself, "I am going to kill this guy right now and I don't give a shit because I'm the Honey-badger!" It's a conundrum can't you see?!?

164 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:00:30pm

re: #161 erik_t

YIKES!

165 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:01:20pm

re: #155 Dark_Falcon

I don't think Romney or Rubio did anything wrong with this photo op. As long as the owner of the shop has indeed cleaned up his act.

Colombian cocaine drug lord turned purveyor of tasty juices. God bless America!

166 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:02:09pm

re: #149 Killgore Trout

What's the largest animal you could defeat in hand to hand combat?

Pam Gellar. easy.

167 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:02:33pm

re: #160 jaunte

No, they didn't, I agree. But Jamil Smith (in 128) has a point. Imagine the uproar if it had been Obama.

It is what it is. Though we'll talk about uproar in a day or so, since the Dems may still try to make hay with this.

168 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:03:19pm

re: #166 Mich-again

Pam Gellar. easy.

Vodka Badger.

169 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:04:11pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

No, you couldn't. A honey badger would claw you guts out. They are brutal fighters and truly don't give a shit.

I heard that once...
I figured it was a softball pass to somebody posting the Video of the Honeybadger...
So tell me this..Danica Patrick says she is a Honeybadger.. Do you think I'd have a punchers chance? :)

170 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:04:13pm

re: #55 Charles Johnson

Paul Ryan is a dedicated catfish noodler.

If he is a noodler, it just means he is one big giant suck up trying to impress people. Like Mitt riding around in a cop suit.

171 allegro  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:04:18pm

re: #167 Dark_Falcon

It is what it is. Though we'll talk about uproar in a day or so, since the Dems may still try to make hay with this.

Not likely. Too mean-spirited and serves no useful purpose. There are many richer veins to mine.

172 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:04:19pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

Vodka Badger.

Vodka Badger gives fucks about so many unnecessary things.

173 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:06:01pm

re: #165 What, me worry?

Colombian cocaine drug lord turned purveyor of tasty juices. God bless America!

Well, if you aren't going to imprison someone for life, its better if they contribute to the nation's wealth when they get out. A business like that provides jobs for both its employees and a number of other people in its network needed to get the fruits and juices to the store.

174 Digital Display  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:06:06pm

re: #172 erik_t

Vodka Badger gives fucks about so many unnecessary things.

But they never remember the next day

175 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:06:22pm

re: #170 Mich-again

If he is a noodler, it just means he is one big giant suck up trying to impress people. Like Mitt riding around in a cop suit.

Check his arms for scars!

176 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:07:42pm

re: #171 allegro

Not likely. Too mean-spirited and serves no useful purpose. There are many richer veins to mine.

Most likely, but still best to wait and see. You'll never go broke betting that an American political party will sink to ever-lower tactics.

177 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:08:45pm
178 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:08:55pm

re: #150 Gus - He Who Wrestles with Cows

A blue whale.

Nice try but we have to discount aquatic mammals. Any grandma can poke a blue whale with a stick in the walmart parking lot and claim victory.

179 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:09:19pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

Vodka Badger.

In Soviet Russia, Vodka Badger kills you!

180 Big Joe  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:09:22pm

re: #168 The Ghost of a Flea

Vodka Badger.

Vodka badger don't give a shit.

181 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:09:55pm

re: #180 Big Joe

Vodka badger don't give a shit.

Vodka Badger drive really fast with dash cam to beach.

182 erik_t  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:09:58pm

re: #177 Interesting Times

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Medicare, notably, is not an object.

183 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:10:16pm

Gin Badger. Vodka Badger's nasty ass cousin.

184 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:10:22pm

re: #166 Mich-again

Pam Gellar. easy.

I would like to make the same claim but past Happy Hour I think it would be a fair fight.

185 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:13:35pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Well, if you aren't going to imprison someone for life, its better if they contribute to the nation's wealth when they get out. A business like that provides jobs for both its employees and a number of other people in its network needed to get the fruits and juices to the store.

I'm just being snarky. I don't know the guy. Romney, I know a bit better.

I dated an Argentinian fellow that was constantly amazed at us. He'd hear a story like that, clap his hands together and say, "America! What a country!"

186 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:15:11pm

re: #185 What, me worry?

I'm just being snarky. I don't know the guy. Romney, I know a bit better.

I dated an Argentinian fellow that was constantly amazed at us. He'd hear a story like that, clap his hands together and say, "America! What a country!"

Must have been a Peronist.

/I'm kidding. It's joke intended as a mocking derivative of a Stalker attack sometimes hurled at Gus.

187 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:15:22pm

re: #183 Kronocide

Gin Badger. Vodka Badger's nasty ass cousin.

Vermouth Badger -- Gin Badger's skank ass friend that no one really likes but tolerates to varying degrees.

188 allegro  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:15:25pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

Most likely, but still best to wait and see. You'll never go broke betting that an American political party will sink to ever-lower tactics.

That is certainly true of one party. The other? Not so much.

189 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:15:25pm

Juice Lord has so many angles...

190 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:15:47pm

re: #160 jaunte

No, they didn't, I agree. But Jamil Smith (in 128) has a point. Imagine the uproar if it had been Obama.

I'm more intrigued by the idea that Romney is campaigning in front of an ex-con owned business when he slammed Santorum for advocating restoration of voting rights to felons.

191 What, me worry?  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:17:35pm

Nitey nite, lizards. Sleep tight.

192 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:17:50pm

Smoothie Cartel

193 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:18:41pm

re: #190 goddamnedfrank

His advance team didn't think it through.

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:19:20pm

re: #188 allegro

That is certainly true of one party. The other? Not so much.

No, its both of them. After the pro-Obama "Mitt killed my wife" ad of last week, coupled with Harry Reid's little BS attack, the Democrats reminded everyone that they can play just as dirty as Republicans.

195 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:19:52pm
196 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:20:33pm

Holy fucknozzles. The sheer Stockholm-syndrome-soaked stupidity of this makes me want to hit something. The dribbling fox-fueled idiots who fall for this crap framing are the reason the world can't have nice things.

*the picture came up in my facebook feed because a friend commented on it. Can't see her comment, though, since there are well over a 100K to wade through. I sure as hell hope she didn't agree with it...

197 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:20:47pm

re: #195 jaunte

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Fucking aye. Sheesh.

198 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:21:05pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

No, its both of them. After the pro-Obama "Mitt killed my wife" ad of last week, coupled with Harry Reid's little BS attack, the Democrats reminded everyone that they can play just as dirty as Republicans.

That wasn't the Democrats. That was a super PAC, the flip side of Citizen's United. But you knew that, you're just obfuscating.

199 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:21:12pm

re: #196 Interesting Times

Holy fucknozzles. The sheer Stockholm-syndrome-soaked stupidity of this makes me want to hit something. The dribbling fox-fueled idiots who fall for this crap framing are the reason the world can't have nice things.

*the picture came up in my facebook feed because a friend commented on it. Can't see her comment, though, since there are well over a 100K to wade through. I sure as hell hope she didn't agree with it...

Two f-words in a row!

Drink!

200 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:22:46pm

re: #194 Dark_Falcon

No, its both of them. After the pro-Obama "Mitt killed my wife" ad of last week, coupled with Harry Reid's little BS attack, the Democrats reminded everyone that they can play just as dirty as Republicans.

Start up a spread sheet and keep counting. Interested in how far this assessment extrapolates.

201 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:25:05pm

re: #198 goddamnedfrank

That wasn't the Democrats. That was a super PAC, the flip side of Citizen's United. But you knew that, you're just obfuscating.

It's a Democrat-supporting Super PAC. I fault the Democratic Party for ads run by such PACs.

202 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:28:37pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

It's a Democrat-supporting Super PAC. I fault the Democratic Party for ads run by such PACs.

Because you're an intellectually lazy, partisan hack unconcerned with things like consistency or integrity. You won't be holding the Romney campaign or Republican responsible for anything put out by the American Family Association or other such collectives of conservative ghouls.

203 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:29:18pm

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

It's a Democrat-supporting Super PAC. I fault the Democratic Party for ads run by such PACs.

So obviously the GOP is at fault for the slew of disinformation put out by their Super-PACs.

204 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:29:29pm

Tough crowd.

Youtube Video
205 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:29:35pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

Because you're an intellectually lazy, partisan hack unconcerned with things like consistency or integrity. You won't be holding the Romney campaign or Republican responsible for anything put out by the American Family Association or other such collectives of conservative ghouls.

Will I, though? I kind of think I will.

206 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:30:53pm

It's gettin chippy in heahs.

207 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:31:28pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

You go after the Republican entities enough for both of us. Someone's gotta give the Dems some "tough love". Thing is, I don't love 'em. [evil grin]

208 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:32:27pm

re: #204 Gus - He Who Wrestles with Cows

"Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has moved to the right, and the right has moved into a mental hospital."

209 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:33:10pm

Two Dark Money Groups Outspending All Super PACs Combined

Two conservative nonprofits, Crossroads GPS and Americans for Prosperity, have poured almost $60 million into TV ads to influence the presidential race so far, outgunning all super PACs put together, new spending estimates show.

These nonprofits, also known as 501(c)(4)s or c4s for their section of the tax code, don't have to disclose their donors to the public.

210 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:33:28pm

re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist

Will I, though? I kind of think I will.

Really? You think Brian Fischer gives a rat's ass about what Mitt Romney wants him to do? I don't, just like I don't think Harry Reid gives a shit about clearing his daily verbal craziness with Obama. The fact that someone nominally supports you or your candidacy doesn't mean you control them, that seems pretty obvious to me.

211 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:33:32pm

re: #208 jaunte

"Over the last 30 years, the Democratic Party has moved to the right, and the right has moved into a mental hospital."

ZOMG! How did you do that?

//

212 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:34:45pm

Maher's a hoot. I really disagree with him sometimes. I mean fer reals. But other times he's just riffing them out.

213 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:35:41pm

re: #209 dragonath

Two Dark Money Groups Outspending All Super PACs Combined

But they haven't disclosed their funding, so you can't actually tie them to the GOP!!!
///

214 jaunte  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:37:31pm

re: #209 dragonath

Two Dark Money Groups Outspending All Super PACs Combined

"Forget it, Jake. It's Cthulhu."

215 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:37:58pm

Bottom line is that Maher's right. We hear more from radical right wingers than we do radical left wingers.

216 Kragar  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:38:43pm

re: #214 jaunte

"Forget it, Jake. It's Cthulhu."

Don't muddy Cthulhu's name by tying him to that evil cult.

217 Big Joe  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:40:30pm

re: #209 dragonath

Two Dark Money Groups Outspending All Super PACs Combined

The funny thing is, that anti Mitt ad was never aired. It's nothing more than a viral "Youtube" video.

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:40:44pm

re: #210 goddamnedfrank

Really? You think Brian Fischer gives a rat's ass about what Mitt Romney wants him to do? I don't, just like I don't think Harry Reid gives a shit about clearing his daily verbal craziness with Obama. The fact that someone nominally supports you or your candidacy doesn't mean you control them, that seems pretty obvious to me.

No, Romney doesn't control Fischer, but the fact that Fischer has some voice among Republican voters is because of decisions the GOP has made in the past few decades, and which Romney is not speaking out against. I don't give him a free pass, and say that he's entirely separate from his party or its hangers-on.

219 Big Joe  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:40:56pm

re: #217 Big Joe

it was virtually no cost.

220 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:42:06pm

re: #217 Big Joe

The funny thing is, that anti Mitt ad was never aired. It's nothing more than a viral "Youtube" video.

It didn't air because it caught such a backlash that the Super PAc decided that they would lose more than they would gain by running it. If they'd still felt it would aid Obama, they'd run it, honestly be damned.

221 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:45:10pm

re: #217 Big Joe

The funny thing is, that anti Mitt ad was never aired. It's nothing more than a viral "Youtube" video.

The "Daisy" ad of 2012?

222 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:47:42pm

re: #221 dragonath

The "Daisy" ad of 2012?

No. "Daisy" helped Johnson, but the super-PAC ad's backlash hurt Obama, or at least helped Romney.

223 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:48:37pm
Youtube Video
224 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:52:25pm

The phrase "Trust Fund Kid" doesn't even get close:

Carl Icahn Hands Son Brett $3 Billion To Prove His Mettle

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:53:04pm

This is hilarious.

[Link: hurryupharry.org...]

I like the last comment:

If you go out in Minsk’s streets today, you’re in for a big surprise
If you check your radar kit today, you’ll never believe your eyes.
For ursine paratroops Belarus bound
Will get generals sacked as they hit the ground
Today’s the day the teddy bears do their D’Day.

226 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:53:04pm

Dock of the Bay...

Youtube Video
227 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:53:19pm

re: #223 Gus

[Embedded content]

True classic.

228 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:53:47pm

I would like to know the ratio of net amount of votes that changed sides primarily based on political ads to the total amount of dollars spent advertising. I'd estimate its on the magnitude of $1,000 per vote.

229 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:55:10pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

I'm not so sure about that.

Anyway, I kind of like LBJ's ads in 1964. They're so blunt! Here's an ad featuring a quote from George Romney.

Youtube Video
230 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:56:20pm

Oops.

Liveleak Video
231 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:56:44pm

re: #224 freetoken

The phrase "Trust Fund Kid" doesn't even get close:

Carl Icahn Hands Son Brett $3 Billion To Prove His Mettle

Funny how smart and likable you can seem when pops hands you a few billion to throw around. How long till he wants to be a politician?

232 blueraven  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:58:09pm

Hmmm...unfortunate shadow of Mitts mic and hand on this pic

Image: enhanced-buzz-4478-1344799980-14.jpg

233 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 9:59:14pm

Paul Ryan was banking on the fact that the old people he wants to throw under the bus are so dumb they'll vote for whoever their preacher man tells them to vote for.

234 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:01:25pm

one of the biggest problems the gop has with the ayn rand plan is the hustler like approach they are taking in selling it: it's urgent urgent urgent that you buy it right away, and if you don't buy theirs right now and try to give them an argument you are just being unreasonable and childish!!

235 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:01:51pm

re: #229 dragonath

They were also viciously hyperbolic and trashed a good man. Barry Goldwater didn't deserve Johnson's ugly treatment. But neither was he prepared for it. He'd expected a clean campaign against Jack Kennedy, and LBJ's brutal style of campaigning caught Goldwater off guard. not that it would have mattered, since Goldwater knew he had no chance after Kennedy was assassinated.

236 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:02:51pm

Drawing the battle lines in Iowa:

Iowa State Fair: Ryan faces hecklers and Obama

Republican Paul Ryan got a taste of the rough side of a presidential campaign on Monday when protesters heckled him and President Barack Obama accused him of blocking emergency aid to drought-hit farmers.

The new vice presidential hopeful from Wisconsin - who brings Midwestern credibility to White House hopeful Mitt Romney's campaign [um - No@] - mingled with locals at the Iowa State Fair, a popular spot for politicians keen to show their common touch in a state where Obama and Romney will be in tight competition.

Dressed in a checked shirt, Ryan bantered with fairgoers but his first solo campaign speech was interrupted by a small group of demonstrators.

In chaotic scenes, hecklers standing at the front of a large pro-Ryan crowd shouted "Stop the war against the common good," prompting Republicans to shout back and swear at them.

One of the protesters rushed onto the small stage where Ryan was speaking. She was grabbed by three state troopers. Police said one of the protesters punched a volunteer fair worker.

"It's funny because Iowans and Wisconsinites, we like to be respectful of one another, and peaceful of one another and listen to one another," Ryan said. "These ladies must not be from Iowa or Wisconsin."

[...]

Later in the day the president visited the State Fair, too, but did not face hecklers the way Ryan did. Obama shook hands with cheering bystanders and turned down a smoothie and cinnamon rolls in favor of a beer and pork chops.

"Ice cold and tasty," he said of his beer, offering to buy some for others in the crowd except, he joked, a person holding a Romney sign.
[...]

Uh oh, those God-fearing Republicans are so frustrated they're "swearing".

Anyway, looks like Obama had a good day there.

Oh, and for my daily fashion tip, looking at Ryan's shirt tells me he really needs to get custom made shirts. That red-checkered one has way too much extra cloth. Plus, red-checkers belongs on table-cloths.

237 JamesWI  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:03:36pm

re: #213 Kragar

But they haven't disclosed their funding, so you can't actually tie them to the GOP!!!
///

Stop it, you'll upset the MBF! If one party lies all the time, and the other one lies a few times, that means they're equal!

238 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:04:04pm

re: #234 engineer cat

one of the biggest problems the gop has with the ayn rand plan is the hustler like approach they are taking in selling it: it's urgent urgent urgent that you buy it right away, and if you don't buy theirs right now and try to give them an argument you are just being unreasonable and childish!!

A highly effective debating strategy on the kindergarten playground and on Fox News.

239 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:04:13pm

And no, I don't know why that picture of "urinalysis" pops up as the second picture in the slideshow of Ryan at the Iowa State fair.

Something is screwy with the image javascript, me thinks.

240 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:04:46pm

re: #222 Dark_Falcon

No. "Daisy" helped Johnson, but the super-PAC ad's backlash hurt Obama, or at least helped Romney.

oh, please don't throw me in the briar patch!

241 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:05:03pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

This is hilarious.

[Link: hurryupharry.org...]

I like the last comment:

If you go out in Minsk’s streets today, you’re in for a big surprise
If you check your radar kit today, you’ll never believe your eyes.
For ursine paratroops Belarus bound
Will get generals sacked as they hit the ground
Today’s the day the teddy bears do their D’Day.

Though folks in Belarus would think of Operation Bagration, not Operation Overlord. As well they should, since Bagration liberated Minsk and was a far worse defeat than that suffered by the Germans in Normandy, at least in terms of casualties.

242 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:05:27pm

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the "urinalysis" picture gets associated with Ryan, on the same day the we discover drug dealers donate to the campaign.

243 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:06:18pm

re: #240 engineer cat

oh, please don't throw me in the briar patch!

The last time I said that line here, I got called a racist.

244 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:06:28pm
Youtube Video
245 blueraven  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:07:20pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

The last time I said that line here, I got called a racist.

huh? really?

246 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:07:23pm

re: #236 freetoken

That pattern makes a nice tablecloth, but for a shirt? What? is he raiding Mitt's closet ?

247 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:08:49pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

They were also viciously hyperbolic and trashed a good man. Barry Goldwater didn't deserve Johnson's ugly treatment. But neither was he prepared for it. He'd expected a clean campaign against Jack Kennedy, and LBJ's brutal style of campaigning caught Goldwater off guard. not that it would have mattered, since Goldwater knew he had no chance after Kennedy was assassinated.

Goldwater's embrace of the John Birch Society whackos who ran ads like this in Texas before the assassination might have, uh, engendered a critical response.

"Wanted for Treason." Doesn't that sound familiar?

248 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:09:17pm

re: #243 Dark_Falcon

The last time I said that line here, I got called a racist.

i've been called worse, but usually on the lines of "moron" or the like

249 Gus  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:09:22pm

Walton family approves.

250 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:09:30pm

Odd how close Romney is to Rmoney.

251 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:10:15pm

re: #246 Mich-again

That pattern makes a nice tablecloth, but for a shirt? What? is he raiding Mitt's closet ?

Hand-me-downs from the Romneys?

252 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:10:17pm

re: #245 blueraven

huh? really?

Yes, really. The argument was that Song of the South was a racist movie, and the "Br'er Rabbit" character was a cartoonization of stereotypes about African-Americans.

253 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:11:28pm

re: #235 Dark_Falcon

Barry Goldwater did a fine job on all those old Dean Martin celebrity roasts.

254 engineer cat  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:11:35pm

i see from video of the romney campaign today that the ryan pick has really succeeded in arousing the base

just not the base they had in mind

255 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:13:54pm

You ever notice how someone that you kinda agree with or even disagree with but respect a bit can occasionally say something really stupid and you simply shrug it off without a second thought?

You ever notice how once your focused on someone whose opinion you dislike it becomes easy to pick apart any possible position they might take and twist it to sound like a bad thing? (The Republican Party inarguable are the champions at this, but constant exposure apparently is contagious to Liberals too.)

You ever notice how sometimes when someone stakes out a really unpopular position on a web site on some issue, and thereby attracts a lot of negative attention from other posters, that some of those others simply can't let it go afterwards? Instead they parse every statement, interpret every perceived stance in the worst possible light, and even set out to bait, entrap, and troll the person that offended them?

You ever notice how most websites tend to be strictly homologous groups with a shared "groupthink" where dissension brings ostracization?

Maybe you first came here and stayed mainly because that did not seem to be the case here, just like I did, maybe you liked being able to rationally argue with intelligent people on both sides of today's issues.

You ever notice how much the posting membership of this site has dropped and how slow the threads have become compared to when we actually had people to argue with instead of just agreeing with ourselves?

You ever notice how much research Killgore has done for this site? How many news stories he has brought here? How much he has improved and enriched the level of information available on thousands of issues that we have subsequently argued about?

You ever notice that now we only need drive off just a few more people who do not share the popular groupthink to become a truly and wholly Liberal site where no dissension ever need be heard?

Do you honestly believe that this will be a better site once we have gotten rid of everyone who disagrees with your personal ideals? What will we talk about then? How much we all agree with each other?

Good Luck to you few brave souls still in the "Loyal Opposition" here, I fear that you're about to become extinct due to the ever growing intolerance (indignation?) shown to the idea that anyone on this site might possibly dare to hold an opinion contrary to certain progressive ideals. Sigh...

256 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:15:43pm

re: #247 dragonath

Goldwater's embrace of the John Birch Society whackos who ran ads like this in Texas before the assassination might have, uh, engendered a critical response.

"Wanted for Treason." Doesn't that sound familiar?

Really shouldn't have, since Kennedy was actually killed by the sort of person the JBS screamed about, a Communist. But that's part of why Oswald's motives were downplayed: If it had really sunk in that the president was killed by a communist intent on backing America off of Cuba, the power of the John Birch Society would have increased massively.

In that scenario, it might have been Mr. Welch who read William F. Buckley out of the conservative movement. That, of course, would have led to disaster, either by unopposed liberalism (any philosophy is liable to go bad unless it encounters some level of pushback to keep it honest) or by nuclear war if the JBS ever gained real power.

257 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:19:17pm

re: #255 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

Thank you for that, but I fear you're right. More likely what I'll do is simply take an extended leave from LGF in the fall. I don't expect any Republican is going to be able to enjoy posting here this fall. The sheer level of hostility to the GOP is going to be incredible. And I'm no great prize either, since I tend to be quite disrespectful of the Democrats in a the fall of a presidential election fall.

258 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:24:37pm

re: #255 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

You ever notice how much the posting membership of this site has dropped and how slow the threads have become compared to when we actually had people to argue with instead of just agreeing with ourselves?

That might be true to a small extent, but from looking at the other sites that I could label as American "contemporary issue" websites there seems to be a decrease in comments written overall.

This is part of a trend with which blog owners, who are in it for the business and not for the pleasure/self-education, must deal.

Over the past couple of years analysts have indicated the doom of "blogging" because of the ascent of short message texting, mainly Twitter but the others also.

Note too that the traditional print media continues to struggle, including their attempts at online subscriptions. More sites are going to limited free viewing (usually N views per month before one has to pay) in an attempt to make money, as they know they are peaking in actually growth.

As for KT - he can take care of himself, I am quite confident.

As for groupthink - I don't believe it's as strong here as a few have raised as a concern. Sure, the number of different commenters here was greater in 2008, but a great number of creationists were run off, then the gun fetishists were expunged, and then finally the anti-Moslem haters got the boot.

Ultimately, I expect, blogs will slowly quiesce, not unlike USENET and online forums did, and slowly cool down like white dwarf stars do (though they take tens of billions of years!)

259 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:28:45pm

re: #257 Dark_Falcon

Thank you for that, but I fear you're right. More likely what I'll do is simply take an extended leave from LGF in the fall. I don't expect any Republican is going to be able to enjoy posting here this fall. The sheer level of hostility to the GOP is going to be incredible. And I'm no great prize either, since I tend to be quite disrespectful of the Democrats in a the fall of a presidential election fall.

If the GOP occasionally had an argument that could stand on facts and data maybe the people promoting the GOP agenda might not feel so under attack. But it can be hell when you are trying to sell a line like global warming is hooey, or that the Earth is just 10,000 years old, or mega rich people can't wait to use their tax breaks to give poor people jobs..

260 freetoken  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:34:15pm

'Dancing With the Stars' reveals celebrity and professional pairings

"Dancing With the Stars"announcedmost of the celebrity and professional pairings for the new All-Star season Monday morning on "Good Morning America." The only name not announced is the 13th spot reserved for the winner of a viewer vote.

The star-pro pairings are: Kirstie Alley and Maksim Chmerkovskiy, Pamela Anderson and Tristan MacManus, Helio Castroneves and Chelsie Hightower, Joey Fatone and Kym Johnson, Shawn Johnson and Derek Hough, Drew Lachey and Anna Trebunskaya, Gilles Marini and Peta Murgatroyd, Kelly Monaco and Valentin Chmerkovskiy, Apolo Anton Ohno and Karina Smirnoff, Bristol Palin and Mark Ballas, Melissa Rycroft and Tony Dovolani, and Emmitt Smith and Cheryl Burke.

[...]

On any given Monday during its season, 100,000 Americans will watch DWTS for each individual who writes a comment on LGF that day... and that's the way it is.

261 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:37:36pm

re: #259 Mich-again

If the GOP occasionally had an argument that could stand on facts and data maybe the people promoting the GOP agenda might not feel so under attack. But it can be hell when you are trying to sell a line like global warming is hooey, or that the Earth is just 10,000 years old, or mega rich people can't wait to use their tax breaks to give poor people jobs..

That is simply not fair, politics in this country is about feeling, religion, and (oftenly misplaced) belief. If you want "facts and data" then you should move to...uhh...err...uhm...someplace where facts and data are valued over rhetoric, wherever that might be...

///

262 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:38:29pm

Out of all the paths the Republican party could have taken, both Buckley and Welch's were the wrong ones. I think Buckley's genteel, elitist conservatism had a nasty, almost colonial edge to it. I don't have much to say about the John Birch Society except that they opposed the nuclear test ban treaty, as did Goldwater.

There were other paths to be taken. Conservatives like John Heinz, Nelson Rockefeller, and Dwight Eisenhower. Instead we ended up with people like Mitch McConnell, Jim DeMint, and Rand Paul.

BTW Dark, I'm only arguing friendly-like ^_^

263 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:46:53pm

re: #262 dragonath

Any political ideology that abandons reason, logic and science should be ridiculed until it changes or dies off. And I don't mind if that goes against someone's ideal of being nice.

264 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:50:12pm

re: #262 dragonath

Out of all the paths the Republican party could have taken, both Buckley and Welch's were the wrong ones. I think Buckley's genteel, elitist conservatism had a nasty, almost colonial edge to it. I don't have much to say about the John Birch Society except that they opposed the nuclear test ban treaty, as did Goldwater.

There were other paths to be taken. Conservatives like John Heinz, Nelson Rockefeller, and Dwight Eisenhower. Instead we ended up with people like Mitch McConnell, Jim DeMint, and Rand Paul.

BTW Dark, I'm only arguing friendly-like ^_^

Heinz, Rockefeller and Eisenhower were not conservatives. They at most slowed liberalism down, Buckley acted directly against it, which I feel was needed. Elitism does not bother me, since I'm not a populist.

265 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:54:26pm
New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie to give keynote address at Republican National Convention

Appropriate seeing is he is the personification of the GOP agenda for the USA.

266 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 10:57:08pm

Good night.

267 Mich-again  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:00:26pm

overweight under-educated combative loudmouth white male as the keynote speaker at the convention. Good thing the GOP is going so far to reach out to people who aren't traditionally Republicans.

Oh and good night.

268 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:01:39pm

re: #255 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

So what are you saying? Some kind of ... Agenda?

Funny. I thought the Agenda was mind numbingly incessant OWS Concern Trolling.

If you're going to be ostracized, this is a pretty Kinder and Gentler place to be ostracized.

269 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:05:00pm

re: #264 Dark_Falcon

You act as if there is a binary choice. Black and White. Elitists need not be the Koch brothers or Adelsons of the world either. If environmentalism, science, and adherence to rational tax schemes is not conservative, what does conservatism really stand for?

If Eisenhower only "slowed down" liberalism, well, hell's bells, the 50s were some of the most prosperous years this country ever had.

270 JamesWI  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:09:16pm

re: #255 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You
re: #268 Kronocide

Did I miss KT flouncing earlier today or something? I'm confused.

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:10:09pm

re: #258 freetoken

As for groupthink - I don't believe it's as strong here as a few have raised as a concern.

I think it's getting there.

272 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:13:58pm

re: #236 freetoken

Drawing the battle lines in Iowa:

Iowa State Fair: Ryan faces hecklers and Obama

Uh oh, those God-fearing Republicans are so frustrated they're "swearing".

Anyway, looks like Obama had a good day there.

Oh, and for my daily fashion tip, looking at Ryan's shirt tells me he really needs to get custom made shirts. That red-checkered one has way too much extra cloth. Plus, red-checkers belongs on table-cloths.

If this keeps up, Ryan will have to be pulled from publick speaking except at specially pre-screen events.

273 JamesWI  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:19:01pm

re: #270 JamesWI

re: #268 Kronocide

Did I miss KT flouncing earlier today or something? I'm confused.

Re-reading this, I think it could be interpreted as me being happy at such a thing. I was just confused why people were posting 5,000 word essays on why we need Killgore and how "groupthink" was silencing the dissent! Reading through the thread just now though, I see nothing like that happened. Still confused.

274 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:22:14pm

Listen to Obama's words on Ryan when his name prompted boos in the audience: "No. He is a fine man, I just disagree with him strongly".

275 dragonath  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:42:57pm

I generally come down 100% on the side of the liberals here, but I don't really subscribe to the theory that All Republicans Always Sucked. One need only look at a state like Pennsylvania, where institutions like the State Game Lands and the public university system were faithfully protected by Democratic and Republican administrations alike.

Now the state is being run by an absolutely corrupt Republican governor who has gutted the DEP and the environmental oversight committees, passed a Voter ID bill and slashed the education budget with the aid of a pliant and newly gerrymandered State Legislature.

I think, there used to be a kind of humble Conservatism that looked at the world realistically - an admission that human beings screw up in all sorts of ways - but things could effectively be improved. I'm saying that as a romantic liberal... the reality did not meet the rhetoric but the sentiment was there. This is the phantom that people like Andrew Sullivan search for in this era of partisanship.

My grandfather was a Republican WWII veteran who believed in the United Nations, and he had faith that one day there could be a real, global peace. He was not alone.

God, what the hell happened.

276 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:46:58pm

re: #275 dragonath

If I had lived in Massachusetts, I might well have voted for Mitt as governor. And had he stuck to those policies, I would still be considering him for President.

But he had a nomination to win...

277 Lidane  Mon, Aug 13, 2012 11:53:39pm

re: #275 dragonath

God, what the hell happened.

I've been asking that question for ages.

Here in Texas, the GOP used to be somewhat okay. You had the occasional nutbar in office, but most of them were more coherent and rational than that, or at the very least they hid their batshit crazy better.

These days, they're off the fucking rails. I don't even recognize this state anymore, and it's a more recent development.

278 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:12:37am

Sorry to return to the original topic so late, but the Jewish Community Relations Council and the AJC have put this out regarding Pam's ads:

[Link: www.jcrc.org...]

The Bay Area Jewish Community Condemns Anti-Muslim Muni Bus Ads –
Statement from the Jewish Community Relations Council and the American Jewish Committee

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279 freetoken  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:15:15am

re: #275 dragonath

God, what the hell happened.

Remember that the Republican party started in the middle of the 19th century as the activist party. It wanted Federal expansion, to help develop the country, such as ushering in new railroads, etc. It was the party of the anti-slavery religious as well as the engineer. It remained so until TR and his supporters eventually split off, when the Republican party turned more into the party of the Institution.

Hoover was not a bad guy - his worldview though was from an era that wasn't up to date with what needed to be done. From him through Eisenhower the Republicans simply remained the part of the Institution (big business) and the small time businessman and professional.

"What the hell happened" has been commented upon extensively. Namely, as a reaction to the Civil Rights era of the middle 60's forcing the Democratic Party finally to come away from it's antebellum backwardness on some social issues, Nixon and his cronies discovered they could gain power (remember he lost a close election to JFK) by going after the Southern partisans, the atavists. This was then enhanced by Reagan who used the coalescing "Religious Right" as an essential element in his partisan plans.

That's "what the hell happened", in turning what started out as America's progressive party into today's atavists' party.

280 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:29:57am

re: #275 dragonath

God, what the hell happened.

Another personal theory: the Christian Right felt very betrayed by Ronal Reagan, who courted their support and superficially supported it, but pretty much abandoned them as soon as Nancy's house astrologer told her the stars were propitious for it...

Since then, they have worked to insinuate their people into all levels of public life, administration, government, education and even science to ensure that they don't get fooled again. And they have succeeded in taking over the GOP and determining its policy and its candidates.

And with Mitt's VP choice they have an ideal candidate: a man who takes his social poicy from the Bible and his economic policy from Ayn Rand.

281 freetoken  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:48:27am
MP3 Audio
282 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:05:12am
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283 researchok  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:07:38am

Morning, all

284 researchok  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:10:53am

re: #281 freetoken

That must be some herb garden you've got going there.
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285 freetoken  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:11:19am
MP3 Audio
286 researchok  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:15:17am

re: #282 Kragar

One good turn deserves another

Youtube Video
287 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:17:48am

re: #286 researchok

One good turn deserves another

[Embedded content]

And here I was with the Lou Monte version ready to go.

288 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:18:54am

Adjustments have been made

Youtube Video
289 RadicalModerate  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:23:39am

Some sad news from the world of comics.

Joe Kubert, N.J. comic book legend, dead at 85

As a comic book artist, Joe Kubert had a hand in creating Sgt. Rock, a World War II soldier that debuted in 1959, as well as the prehistoric Tor, one of the first comics presented in 3-D. He also drew Hawkman, starting in the 1940s. The son of a kosher butcher, Joe Kubert made his comic book debut when he was just 12, growing up in the East New York section of Brooklyn.

"It's become dramatically more accessible to make a livelihood with this business than it ever has been," said Kubert. Back when he started, for many artists, comics were seen as a shameful way to work. He said successful movies starring comic book heroes -- the predecessors of today's wildly popular "Avengers," "Spider-Man" and "Batman" film franchises -- upped the cache of comics.

"We've gained a respectability that nobody who started in my business ever dreamed," said Kubert. "It's amazing how money changes things."

In 1976, Kubert and his wife Muriel moved to Dover and opened the Kubert School. Since then, students from all over the world have trained there. One day a week, Kubert left his drawing table to teach a class in comic book narrative.

290 freetoken  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:58:47am

And now, for our serious listening of the evening, another war horse from Wagner:

MP3 Audio
291 researchok  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:13:51am

Great choice.

Power- pure, raw power.

TY

293 freetoken  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:30:22am

The brilliance of shows like America's Next Top Model and Dancing With The Stars is how well they appeal to the lowest elements of human nature, all the while successfully carrying off a pretense of being something more.

There's a lesson in there for politics, I think.

294 researchok  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:34:45am

re: #292 researchok

There's a lesson in there for politics, I think

Where do you thin the ideas of those shows came from?
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295 Aye Pod  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:35:34am

re: #291 researchok

Great choice.

Power- pure, raw power.

TY

You have to get the acoustics right for that sort of music. The listening room should have ample head room, with speakers placed some distance from the back wall, and with a little toe-in as seen here:

Image: albert-speer-dome-domed-hall-hitler-architect2.jpg

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:43:55am

re: #292 researchok

Man accused of locking girlfriend in bedroom for years

In Florida it is about 5 years in the pokey per pill, IIRC.
Morning Honcos.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:59:51am

A monster Burmese python captured in the Everglades has broken the state size record, stretching 17 feet, 7 inches, its belly bursting with 87 eggs, the University of Florida announced Monday.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
This is what happens when people get snakes as pets and then let them go because they get to big.

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:07:51am

Freak
Jeffery Williams says he is a former financial adviser with a master's degree in German literature and a side interest in getting whipped.

His hobby led him to create the websites Shefights.net and Shepunishes.com, which featured videos of young women whipping and beating men.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

299 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:16:53am

There is no end of demand for those kind of sites. Whatever floats your boat. As long as it is consensual and between adults.

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:26:58am

re: #299 Expand Your Ground

There is no end of demand for those kind of sites. Whatever floats your boat. As long as it is consensual and between adults.

"Let this chick kick your ass. I'll give you money for booze."
"OK."

301 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:38:45am

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Let this chick kick your ass. I'll give you money for booze."
"OK."

I know. Amazing. Mx ex just beat me up financially and psychologically, and I let her...

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:44:26am

I don't know if I can trust this source but enjoy your breakfast anyway.

Dozens of people demonstrated outside the law courts in the Lebanese capital on Saturday to protest the use of anal "tests" on men suspected of homosexuality, which is a criminal offence in the Arab count
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

303 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:49:52am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know if I can trust this source but enjoy your breakfast anyway.

Dozens of people demonstrated outside the law courts in the Lebanese capital on Saturday to protest the use of anal "tests" on men suspected of homosexuality, which is a criminal offence in the Arab count
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

If it is an Abomination unto the Lord (and it is, just look in Leviticus) then it should also be outlawed, for our laws should reflect (our bigoted, pea-brained notions of what comprises) God's Divine Law.

And since we already have the ultrasound wands available, why not make full use of them?

304 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:59:23am

My new job is at a diner. Uh, this ain't no diner. $14 for a ham and cheddar omelet with onions, peppers and tomato.
Duck Poutine-confit leg, potato hash,cheese curds, $17
Deviled eggs-smoked trout roe, bacon, chives, $7.79
Tuna tartare-$11.99
Sheesh....

305 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:14:17am

re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar

In it, do people not dine?

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:16:31am

re: #305 Obdicut

In it, do people not dine?

Actually, inside looks like a Denny's. The owner has 2 other places that are really high priced. Me thinks he did this to offer people his food at a much lower cost. They do serve bottled beer in coosie cups, though. Heh.

307 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:18:03am

Conservatives are already bracing for the drubbing Mitt is gonna get at the dabates: saying that the moderators are a "Liberal Dream Team" and theat the odds are already stacked against them.

308 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:18:50am

re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar

My new job is at a diner. Uh, this ain't no diner. $14 for a ham and cheddar omelet with onions, peppers and tomato.
Duck Poutine-confit leg, potato hash,cheese curds, $17
Deviled eggs-smoked trout roe, bacon, chives, $7.79
Tuna tartare-$11.99
Sheesh....

Does it have a counter and bare tabletops?

309 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:19:50am

re: #308 Expand Your Ground

Does it have a counter and bare tabletops?

It is in a former car dealership. The owners goal was to have the biggest counter around and he did it.

310 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:21:20am

re: #255 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

I regret I have only one upding to give!

311 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:30:40am

re: #309 Cannadian Club Akbar

It is in a former car dealership. The owners goal was to have the biggest counter around and he did it.

Does it attract nighthawks?

312 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:33:13am

re: #311 Expand Your Ground

Does it attract nighthawks?

It closes at 10.

313 Shropshire_Slasher  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 4:51:12am

They say it is goodluck if it rains on your wedding, this couple must have hit the jackpot.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]
It poured on my wedding day, I can't stand how happy I've been since ;)

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:01:20am

re: #313 Tommy's cone of shame

Rain, flood, whatever.
/

315 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:04:56am

Good. I have an ad too. It says "Support science, not those other fucking idiots.". Think they'll take offense?

316 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:12:08am

re: #5 Kragar

Well, it helps some people...

Jefferson had a Koran because couldn't believe Muslims were commanded to kill us. Read Koran, found out it was true.

— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 13, 2012

So does yours, children no less.

Happy is the one who takes your babies and smashes them against the rocks!
- Psalms 137

Fuck you Fischer

317 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:26:42am

re: #45 dragonath

Nice catch by some guy on Kos, it's an interview where Ryan was agreeing with Glenn Beck. This fits in nicely with the religion theme here. The relevant part:

[snip]
RYAN: Exactly. Look, I come from -- I'm calling you from Janesville, Wisconsin --

BECK: Holy cow.
[snip]

"Classical liberalism!"

Beck seemed really surprised that Ryan could call from half way across the country. Maybe he isn't crazy, just fucking stupid.

318 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:33:51am

re: #304 Cannadian Club Akbar

My new job is at a diner. Uh, this ain't no diner. $14 for a ham and cheddar omelet with onions, peppers and tomato.
Duck Poutine-confit leg, potato hash,cheese curds, $17
Deviled eggs-smoked trout roe, bacon, chives, $7.79
Tuna tartare-$11.99
Sheesh....

Love great diners--some of the ones in Pittsburgh were the real-deal, decommissioned railroad dining cars on blocks.

319 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:35:25am

re: #311 Expand Your Ground

Does it attract nighthawks?

Image: Edward_Hopper-Nighthawks-1942.jpg

320 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:36:18am

re: #319 Decatur Deb

Youtube Video

"Emotional Weather Report" from the album Nighthawks at the Diner, by Mr. Waits.

321 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:45:32am

re: #320 Obdicut

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"Emotional Weather Report" from the Album Nighthawks at the Diner, by Mr. Waits.

Mr Waits, meet Mr. Bukowski.

Youtube Video

(Accidentally had both vids playing through the same speakers. They both worked over the music.)

322 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:58:17am

Off to walk the dog, then pick up my ancient thumper from the cycle shop. BBL

323 S'latch  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 5:59:01am

I wish Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer would realize that calling people savages in "support" of Israel is very counterproductive. But, they never change.

324 A Mom Anon  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:04:14am

Can someone either explain to me or point me in the direction of some accurate info/definitions of what "classical"and "neo" liberalism and conservatism is? I kind of see politics,at least right now,as more of a circle than a straight line,where far right and left eventually meet and intertwine alot more than either side would like to admit. Am I wrong about that?

I consider myself to be a liberal in the mold of Paul Wellstone(I wish more people would read his Conscience of a Liberal,he was a good man)which today makes me a far left radical I guess. What I am looking for though is an accurate definition of what all these terms REALLY mean as opposed to what people project on them. I have an appt this morning,I'll check back in later.

325 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:20:29am

re: #201 Dark_Falcon

It's a Democrat-supporting Super PAC. I fault the Democratic Party for ads run by such PACs.

It was a lone wolf.

326 Mattand  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:26:02am

re: #324 A Mom Anon

Thanks to LGF, I recently learned about classical liberalism. The Wikipedia definition can be found here.

IMO, it's a fancy way for Libertarians to deny they are libertarian. There seems to be very little difference between the two views.

Ask Obdicut about it the next time you see him/her post. Seems to be able to cut through the bullshit about it.

327 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:27:09am

re: #324 A Mom Anon

Can someone either explain to me or point me in the direction of some accurate info/definitions of what "classical"and "neo" liberalism and conservatism is? I kind of see politics,at least right now,as more of a circle than a straight line,where far right and left eventually meet and intertwine alot more than either side would like to admit. Am I wrong about that?

I consider myself to be a liberal in the mold of Paul Wellstone(I wish more people would read his Conscience of a Liberal,he was a good man)which today makes me a far left radical I guess. What I am looking for though is an accurate definition of what all these terms REALLY mean as opposed to what people project on them. I have an appt this morning,I'll check back in later.

About the time I signed on here, LGF was doing useful discussions of this, inspired by Jonah Goldberg's BS. There are going to be 2 sets of definitions for each term, depending on whether you're 'fur im' or 'agin 'im". The most useful model is to keep the left-right and free-authoritarian dimensions on different, overlayered, scales. Thus Stalin and Hitler are on opposite ends of the left-right scale, but the same end of the authoritarian scale. Works for me, anyway.

328 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:29:15am

re: #322 Decatur Deb

Off to walk the dog, then pick up my ancient thumper from the cycle shop. BBL

Rained out.

329 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:44:53am

re: #41 Gus

It's a complicated issue for all of these situations. This ad will simply inflame peoples' feelings and won't help. BTW, I'm surprised you haven't mentioned anything yet about the author of the linked article at Alternet.

Ah, I didn't notice this last night night. I see the author of this link Alex Kane also writes for the hate site Mondowiess. Ugh.

330 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:47:33am

re: #324 A Mom Anon

Can someone either explain to me or point me in the direction of some accurate info/definitions of what "classical"and "neo" liberalism and conservatism is? I kind of see politics,at least right now,as more of a circle than a straight line,where far right and left eventually meet and intertwine alot more than either side would like to admit. Am I wrong about that?

I consider myself to be a liberal in the mold of Paul Wellstone(I wish more people would read his Conscience of a Liberal,he was a good man)which today makes me a far left radical I guess. What I am looking for though is an accurate definition of what all these terms REALLY mean as opposed to what people project on them. I have an appt this morning,I'll check back in later.

Here's a decent article explaining the differences: Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism

331 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:49:49am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. While Geller and her cohaters are busy claiming that the nation is crawling with creeping sharia, real haters are busy attacking Islamic mosques and religious centers out in the Chicago area. One guy is suspected being behind a bunch of attacks, including one where he used an air gun to spray a mosque with pellets while hundreds were inside celebrating Ramadan. The man arrested in that incident, David Conrad, owns a home abutting the mosque, and there's been a number of disputes between the center and Conrad.

Off-duty Chicago police officers, who had been hired to provide additional security at the mosque during Ramadan activities, called Morton Grove police after they saw an object whiz by and hit the building just above the head of one of the officers, Hussain said.

Though the damage to the building was minor, there were about 500 people inside the mosque for prayers at the time of the shooting, Hussain said, adding that many kids from the congregation were outside of the building during the service. No one was injured.

Around the same time, one of the guards saw someone firing a BB gun, with the shots coming from the home of a man who had previously spoken out against expansion of the school and mosque, Hussain said.

Conrad’s home abuts the mosque parking lot, which has been cause for a number of disputes between the building’s owners and the neighbor, Hussain said. He has lived there for about 12 years.

“He’s always been a thorn in our side,” Hussain said.

The BB gun used in the shooting was described as a rifle-type gun with a scope attached, Hussain said.

A U.S. Attorney, Morton Grove police and members of the FBI examined the building Saturday morning as the scene of a possible hate crime, according to a release about the incident from the Chicago office of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

The Council on American-Islamic Relations’ national headquarters issued a community safety advisory for mosques earlier this week following crimes targeting Muslims in Missouri and Rhode Island, as well as the mass shooting at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

Then, someone else apparently threw an acid bomb at a Muslim school in the same area.

332 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:52:33am

re: #330 Killgore Trout

Here's a decent article explaining the differences: Classical Liberalism vs. Modern Liberalism and Modern Conservatism

Money quote:

"What is chosen is a matter of taste rather than a matter of thought. Just as people with similar tastes in food tend to frequent the same restaurants, people with the same tastes in politics tend to vote for the same candidates"

After staring at this for a few decades, I've realized that the fundamental choices in politics, society, and philosophy are no more than aesthetic.

I like my politics for the same reasons I like my music.

333 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:56:54am
334 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:57:32am

Mornin' all.

335 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:00:13am

re: #326 Mattand

Thanks to LGF, I recently learned about classical liberalism. The Wikipedia definition can be found here.

IMO, it's a fancy way for Libertarians to deny they are libertarian. There seems to be very little difference between the two views.

Ask Obdicut about it the next time you see him/her post. Seems to be able to cut through the bullshit about it.

Pretty much. "Classical Liberal" is what Libertarians call themselves once they've figured out that most people understand what Libertarianism is about and what being a Libertarian says about someone.

Similarly, "Conservative" is what Republicans call themselves under the same circumstances.

336 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:06:12am

Good morning lizards!

Frank says:

There is no hell. There is only France.

337 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:06:24am

re: #335 GunstarGreen

Pretty much. "Classical Liberal" is what Libertarians call themselves once they've figured out that most people understand what Libertarianism is about and what being a Libertarian says about someone.

Similarly, "Conservative" is what Republicans call themselves under the same circumstances.

There is some cross over with classical liberals and Libertarians. The problem with "libertarianism" as we know it today is that it's been a dumping ground for crackpots, conspiracy theories and Austrian economics for so long it no longer has much to do with political philosophy. Also, modern libertarians tend to be unyielding Constitutional fundamentalists. Eg, since the Federal reserve, EPA and Dept of Education aren't mentioned in the Constitution we should abolish them. Modern libertarians generally aren't very well connected to reality.

338 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:16:12am

re: #337 Killgore Trout

Modern libertarians generally aren't very well connected to reality.

Neither are people who claim the "classical liberal" label, since they often don't realize the full implications of what that really means.

339 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:18:41am

re: #323 S'latch

I wish Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer would realize that calling people savages in "support" of Israel is very counterproductive. But, they never change.

Why should they change? They peddle bigotry and make money off of the ignorant. For them, it's win-win.

340 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:34:50am

re: #324 A Mom Anon

Classical liberal is basically an archaic term that doesn't apply to the modern day. It is pretty much synonymous with libertarian. Classical liberals are adamantly opposed to 'positive rights'-- as in, they think you have the right not to do things or have them done to you, but you don't have any rights to anything. So, at the extreme, a classical liberal would be against a state-provided attorney. More mainstream Classical liberals are anti-labor-union, anti-any-government-welfare, anti-regulation-of-business, etc. In modern terms, classical liberals are heavily, heavily conservative when it comes to the size of government, government spending, labor issues, welfare. Most are at least somewhat liberal on social issues, but not necessarily.

However, the term really only has meaning when applied to about the time of the American revolution. The term doesn't really mean that much if someone calls themselves it now. Most people you find using it don't really know what it means, or are just embarrassed libertarians.

341 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:35:45am

re: #336 NJDhockeyfan

Frank says:

There is no hell. There is only France.

Frank is up on current events this morning
Riot engulfs troubled northern France city of Amiens

Months of tension between police and young people in a troubled district of northern France exploded on Tuesday, with dozens of youths facing off against riot officers in a night of violence. Sixteen officers were injured, a pre-school and public gym were torched, and at least three passing drivers in Amiens were dragged from their cars.

342 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:35:47am

String of suicide attacks rock Afghanistan

(CBS/AP) KABUL, Afghanistan - Multiple suicide attacks struck a normally peaceful city in southwestern Afghanistan, leaving more than 30 dead and dozens more injured.

A police source in in Nimroz province told CBS News Kabul bureau chief Fazul Rahim that at least five suicide attacks were launched in the provincial capital of Zaranj, with more bombings feared.

The police source described the situation as very chaotic and tense. The head of the Nimroz provincial health department told the Associated Press 110 people were injured in different parts of the city.

The attacks were the latest in a month of violence in which Taliban insurgents and their allies have ratcheted up attacks as international troops increasingly hand over responsibility for security in the country to Afghan police and soldiers.

Maybe we should have some meetings with the Taliban and try to talk them into stopping the violence.
//

343 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:39:44am

Gah, I forgot how bright daylight is without heavy grey clouds blotting it out. Guess that means the rain's gone...for at least 24 hours.

344 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:39:51am

Miley Cyrus shocks fans with new pixie crop

345 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:41:00am

Greece holds biggest debt sale in 2 years

346 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:42:30am

Romney, GOP bash California

347 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:44:13am

Why is this imbecile still in the news? WTF?

Joe the Plumber Calls For Troops Along Arizona Border To ‘Start Shooting’

348 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:45:07am

re: #347 Lidane

Why is this imbecile still in the news? WTF?

Joe the Plumber Calls For Troops Along Arizona Border To ‘Start Shooting’

Some people think "15 minutes" means "forever"

350 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:45:49am

These guys seriously can't keep a narrative for shit. Worst. Campaign. Ever.

Romney Campaign Chair Contradicts Candidate, Says Romney’s Medicare Plan Is ‘Very Different’ From Ryan’s Plan

Just a day after Mitt Romney told reporters, “my plan for Medicare is very similar to [Paul Ryan's] plan for Medicare,” former New Hampshire governor and Romney campaign chair John Sununu insisted on Tuesday morning that the former Massachusetts governor’s vision form Medicare reform is “very different” from Ryan’s proposal.

351 Mattand  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:46:25am

re: #335 GunstarGreen

Pretty much. "Classical Liberal" is what Libertarians call themselves once they've figured out that most people understand what Libertarianism is about and what being a Libertarian says about someone.

Similarly, "Conservative" is what Republicans call themselves under the same circumstances.

In a similar vein, I know a few conservatives and/or Republicans who are now hiding under the "independent" label. I've mentioned him before, but a buddy of mine has suddenly found the independent light after two decades of voting GOP and being a dedicated Dittohead.

What's a riot is that this "independent" thinks Obama is an incompetent dope and goes ballistic when you point out the crazier aspects of the GOP. He's also an acolyte of the Magical Balance Fairy ("So what if Paul Ryan wants to ban abortion? Democrats are just as bad!!!!)

I'm finding a lot of independents are conservatives who know the GOP is run by race-baiting, anti-knowledge lunatics, but can't bring themselves to admit it.

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:47:22am

It's morning again,

Why?

353 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:47:49am

re: #350 Lidane

These guys seriously can't keep a narrative for shit. Worst. Campaign. Ever.

Romney Campaign Chair Contradicts Candidate, Says Romney’s Medicare Plan Is ‘Very Different’ From Ryan’s Plan

Strategery! They want to keep Obama/Biden guessing on where they really stand - along with everybody else.

Either that, or they really don't know what they're doing.

354 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:48:45am

re: #350 Lidane

These guys seriously can't keep a narrative for shit. Worst. Campaign. Ever.

Romney Campaign Chair Contradicts Candidate, Says Romney’s Medicare Plan Is ‘Very Different’ From Ryan’s Plan

I can't understand for the life of me why the Citizens United billions of Adelson/Koch/Rove aren't buying a better campaign. Could it be that sheer hubris + getting their way for so long has made otherwise crafty, cunning people turn dumb?

355 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:49:42am

re: #351 Mattand

In a similar vein, I know a few conservatives and/or Republicans who are now hiding under the "independent" label. I've mentioned him before, but a buddy of mine has suddenly found the independent light after two decades of voting GOP and being a dedicated Dittohead.

What's a riot is that this "independent" thinks Obama is an incompetent dope and goes ballistic when you point out the crazier aspects of the GOP. He's also an acolyte of the Magical Balance Fairy ("So what if Paul Ryan wants to ban abortion? Democrats are just as bad!!!!)

I'm finding a lot of independents are conservatives who know the GOP is run by race-baiting, anti-knowledge lunatics, but can't bring themselves to admit it.

That goes deeper. Reading the material on the Sikh temple shooter's work in Hate Rock shows a bunch of examples of that music scene self-describing as 'independent music'.

356 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:51:49am

re: #354 Interesting Times

I can't understand for the life of me why the Citizens United billions of Adelson/Koch/Rove aren't buying a better campaign. Could it be that sheer hubris + getting their way for so long has made otherwise crafty, cunning people turn dumb?

If you're dumb enough, crazy enough, and evil enough it sometimes degrades your work product.

357 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:54:43am

re: #135 goddamnedfrank

If you had to choose between banning noodling and Nascar?

I figure modern society could use a certain amount of well chosen regression.

Ban NASCAR. Saves on fuel and worship of the automobile. If noodling became the great backwoods sport there would be more concern expressed over keeping waterways clean and unpolluted to help maintain the health and numbers of catfish in the noodling grounds.

358 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:55:13am

re: #354 Interesting Times

Money may make it a whole lot easier to win an election, but if the guy running for the election has turned to pretzel logic to escape being tagged with all of his former/current positions, it's hard for anyone to keep up with where he stands for anything.

That makes it imperative for Mitt to try and define his positions on his terms, or else he'll quickly find that the Obama campaign will do that for him.

At the same time, Romney's doing himself no favors by alternatively claiming that he's going to come out with his own formula for Medicare, all while taking on Ryan's plan. Or not. Or something. Or he'll wait until after the election to reveal what he's going to do (most likely rebranding Obamacare as Romneycare so as to get to #winning).

359 Mattand  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:55:20am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

That goes deeper. Reading the material on the Sikh temple shooter's work in Hate Rock shows a bunch of examples of that music scene self-describing as 'independent music'.

I'm really beginning to despise that word. It provides way too much cover for people who can't or won't admit what they're thinking.

To be honest, I'm just as guilty of it as anyone else. For years, I would refer to myself as an independent who was for legalizing pot, gay marriage, and banning certain types of automatic weapons. The logic was I would occasionally vote for a Republican in a local race who didn't seem bat shit insane.

I finally realized that calling one a liberal wasn't a crime against humanity.

360 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:55:22am

re: #355 Decatur Deb

That goes deeper. Reading the material on the Sikh temple shooter's work in Hate Rock shows a bunch of examples of that music scene self-describing as 'independent music'.

I don't know if that's a political label so much as a musical one.

There are tons of non-Hate Rock bands who call themselves 'independent,' due to a lack of affiliation with a major label.

Independent music is, simply, independent music. A lot of bands would be unfairly tarred if that label were to be associated with the White Power movement, IMO.

361 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:55:48am

re: #144 Killgore Trout

I do kind of like the caveman concept of hand caught food but that does present a new problem with mammals. I could choke out a goat or a lamb but a cow is a tall order for bare hands harvest. I guess beef is off the menu.

Tip it off a cliff...

362 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:58:21am

re: #360 makeitstop

I don't know if that's a political label so much as a musical one.

There are tons of non-Hate Rock bands who call themselves 'independent,' due to a lack of affiliation with a major label.

Independent music is, simply, independent music. A lot of bands would be unfairly tarred if that label were to be associated with the White Power movement, IMO.

Dig for some of the quotes from his record label. Their usage is pretty specific. We're not talking Pomplemoose here.

363 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 7:59:41am

re: #344 Kronocide

Miley Cyrus shocks fans with new pixie crop

Will the world survive?

364 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:01:02am

re: #347 Lidane

Why is this imbecile still in the news? WTF?

Joe the Plumber Calls For Troops Along Arizona Border To ‘Start Shooting’

Nice, yeah, someone with no authority tells people to start shooting. He's not the one in the line of fire, nor will he be in court.

/gah

365 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:01:43am

re: #358 lawhawk

Money may make it a whole lot easier to win an election, but if the guy running for the election has turned to pretzel logic to escape being tagged with all of his former/current positions, it's hard for anyone to keep up with where he stands for anything.

That makes it imperative for Mitt to try and define his positions on his terms, or else he'll quickly find that the Obama campaign will do that for him.

At the same time, Romney's doing himself no favors by alternatively claiming that he's going to come out with his own formula for Medicare, all while taking on Ryan's plan. Or not. Or something. Or he'll wait until after the election to reveal what he's going to do (most likely rebranding Obamacare as Romneycare so as to get to #winning).

366 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:02:02am

re: #351 Mattand

In a similar vein, I know a few conservatives and/or Republicans who are now hiding under the "independent" label. I've mentioned him before, but a buddy of mine has suddenly found the independent light after two decades of voting GOP and being a dedicated Dittohead.

What's a riot is that this "independent" thinks Obama is an incompetent dope and goes ballistic when you point out the crazier aspects of the GOP. He's also an acolyte of the Magical Balance Fairy ("So what if Paul Ryan wants to ban abortion? Democrats are just as bad!!!!)

I'm finding a lot of independents are conservatives who know the GOP is run by race-baiting, anti-knowledge lunatics, but can't bring themselves to admit it.

And most of them will balk at being called Republicans. "Nah, we're not like that establishment GOP!"

Simple rubric; if it walks like a Republican, talks like a Republican, and votes like a Republican...

367 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:03:21am

re: #342 NJDhockeyfan

String of suicide attacks rock Afghanistan

Maybe we should have some meetings with the Taliban and try to talk them into stopping the violence.
//

Acid attacks, poison: What Afghan girls risk by going to school

368 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:03:23am

re: #351 Mattand

In a similar vein, I know a few conservatives and/or Republicans who are now hiding under the "independent" label. I've mentioned him before, but a buddy of mine has suddenly found the independent light after two decades of voting GOP and being a dedicated Dittohead.

What's a riot is that this "independent" thinks Obama is an incompetent dope and goes ballistic when you point out the crazier aspects of the GOP. He's also an acolyte of the Magical Balance Fairy ("So what if Paul Ryan wants to ban abortion? Democrats are just as bad!!!!)

I'm finding a lot of independents are conservatives who know the GOP is run by race-baiting, anti-knowledge lunatics, but can't bring themselves to admit it.

Most of the conservatives/Republicans I've met who have since gone "independent" seem to have done so just so they can say "I'm not supporting Romney, but I still hate Obama." And they, to a man, continue to hold out hope that Paul will somehow magically win the nomination in Tampa and, if not, will simply lament out loud that there's no "true conservative" running.

369 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:03:49am

This is bad...

'Bottle of bad taste': Jewish tourists outraged over 'Hitler wine' in Italy

A Jewish couple was “shocked and startled” to find bottles of wine sporting the portrait of Hitler in a town in northern Italy. The country’s authorities were quick to launch an investigation.

American Jews Matthew and Cindy Hirsch noticed the labels with various portraits of the notorious Nazi leader in a supermarket in a town of Garda, where the couple was on vacation.

One of the bottles featured Hitler performing the Nazi salute, while another label had a portrait of the Fuhrer and the words "Mein Kampf" (“My Struggle” in English), the infamous book exposing Hitler’s political views.

"It is very shocking to us," Mr Hirsch, a lawyer from Philadelphia, told the local media. "It makes you wonder about the sympathies of the local people.”

The outraged tourist said he had asked for an explanation from the shop owner, but got an answer that it was just history, "like Che Guevara."

“If a company bottles and labels these products, evidently, in Italy this is allowed. But how brazen do you have to be to make money off the tragedy of millions of people dying?” Mrs Hirsch said.

So are the comments...

anno domini August 14, 2012, 15:52 0

Meanwhile there are enough evidences Hitler did no such things and he personally was NOT hostile Jews. He had Jewish roots, his mentor in Austria was a Jew and according to a recent article on huffpost he even rescued some. This old story is just another useful lie they're using to fool people, as Martin Luther always said and warned.

On the other side what is a real fact are the Jewish Young Turks and their crimes against the Armenian people!

uscitizen (unregistered) August 14, 2012, 13:15 +1

How is it possible this insignificent message got to RT?
Just because samo jewish couple doen not like that?
How about Jewish genocide of Palestinians?
FOR THIS JEW COUPLE IT SEEMS IRREVELENT.

guantanamo times (unregistered) August 14, 2012, 12:52 +2

Now let me see, what is worse...
A bottle of wine with the face of Hitler on, or
An Israeli soldier fined 45 days for murdering a Palestian mother and child.

Ugh

370 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:04:35am

re: #362 Decatur Deb

Dig for some of the quotes from his record label. Their usage is pretty specific. We're not talking Pomplemoose here.

I'm really not that interested in reading about the guy's label, TBQH.

And I know quite a few bands in NYC that self-identify as 'independent' and would gladly kick the crap out of WP bands, given the chance.

371 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:04:43am

re: #361 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That's the idea behind Vore Buffalo Jump in SD.

372 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:06:39am

re: #354 Interesting Times

I can't understand for the life of me why the Citizens United billions of Adelson/Koch/Rove aren't buying a better campaign. Could it be that sheer hubris + getting their way for so long has made otherwise crafty, cunning people turn dumb?

Because they figured that Obama was going to be universally hated due to the economy, so even a chimp could win against him come November. Problem was that they were operating under the pre-Tea Party strategy, which postulates that a united party can win in a down economy so long as the candidate has a pulse. Instead, what they have is a party that's at war with itself and a candidate that doesn't know when to shut the hell up.

373 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:07:03am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

This is bad...

'Bottle of bad taste': Jewish tourists outraged over 'Hitler wine' in Italy

So are the comments...

Ugh

I think I may vomit.

I can't stand this stuff.

374 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:07:29am

re: #369 NJDhockeyfan

This is bad...

'Bottle of bad taste': Jewish tourists outraged over 'Hitler wine' in Italy

So are the comments...

Ugh

*face palm*

375 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:07:33am

Romneycare? What Romneycare.

Roadmap to Prosperity? What's that?

GOP presidential platform.

376 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:09:02am

No more kids for Jennifer Garner

377 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:09:23am

re: #370 makeitstop

I'm really not that interested in reading about the guy's label, TBQH.

And I know quite a few bands in NYC that self-identify as 'independent' and would gladly kick the crap out of WP bands, given the chance.

OK, but there is a conscious effort by the HR to co-opt the term. I'm always interested in what the malignant shits are doing.

378 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:09:57am

re: #372 Targetpractice

Because they figured that Obama was going to be universally hated due to the economy, so even a chimp could win against him come November. Problem was that they were operating under the pre-Tea Party strategy, which postulates that a united party can win in a down economy so long as the candidate has a pulse. Instead, what they have is a party that's at war with itself and a candidate that doesn't know when to shut the hell up.

They bought into their own hype of Obama as a weak, ineffectual leader. As a result, they've been constantly on their heels, even since the Ryan pick.

One of the pitfalls of living in an information bubble where all you hear is confirmation of what you already think.

379 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:10:22am

Syria's ex-PM Riad Hijab says regime is collapsing

Speaking in the Jordanian capital, Amman, he said the regime controlled no more than 30% of Syrian territory.

He called on the opposition abroad to unite and on the Syrian army to stand alongside its people.

UN humanitarian chief Valerie Amos is in Syria to assess ways to increase the flow of emergency aid there.

Mr Hijab told a news conference he was joining the rebel side and urged other political and military leaders to break away from President Bashar al-Assad's regime.

"I urge the army to follow the example of Egypt's and Tunisia's armies - take the side of people," he added.

This is the first time Mr Hijab has spoken publicly since fleeing to Jordan with his family last week.

380 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:11:03am

re: #377 Decatur Deb

OK, but there is a conscious effort by the HR to co-opt the term. I'm always interested in what the malignant shits are doing.

Point taken. Thankfully, they've got a long walk ahead of them to steal that categorization.

381 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:11:40am

George W who? Who's that?
-Current GOP voter

382 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:11:58am

Hypersonic jet WaveRider is to undergo another test flight above the Pacific Ocean aiming to reach Mach 6.

At this speed - more than 4,300 mph - it could travel from London to New York in about an hour.

WaveRider is one of several projects currently under way to create an aeroplane able to reach much higher speeds than today's jets, after Concorde was decommissioned in 2003.

During a test in June 2011, WaveRider failed to reach the target speed.

A B-52 bomber will lift the wingless unmanned jet from US Edwards Air Force Base in California to 50,000 feet (15,250m).

The craft will then be dropped, and after a free fall of about four seconds, its engine is supposed to ignite.

X-51A WaveRider should then climb to 70,000ft (21,300m) and eventually reach Mach 6.

My Dear Ole' Dad used to say about SUV's in the snow, it's not how fast you can go, but how well you can stop. :)

383 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:12:35am

Speaking of Hitler, check out this miniature golf course...

A NEW crazy golf course has sparked outrage with a model of Adolf Hitler that gives a Nazi salute.

The dictator raises his right arm and screams: “No! No! No!” when players hit a shot on target.

Young golfer Kai Nouteboom, six, said he was stunned when the Nazi leader yelled at him.

He added: “It frightened me. I didn’t expect that to happen.”

The Jewish Council have called for the “art work” to be banned.

Another hole has a mini Saddam Hussein statue that topples over when the ball goes in the hole. The six-hole course is in a Blackpool art gallery.

384 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:12:47am

re: #381 Amory Blaine

George W who? Who's that?
-Current GOP voter

Image: 291848_10150321381518937_1143632111_n.jpg

385 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:12:47am

BBIAB

386 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:12:51am

re: #376 Kronocide

No more kids for Jennifer Garner

That's right it's HER CHOICE!!!!!!

:)

387 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:14:28am

Is it too much to ask?

388 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:15:32am

re: #387 ggt

Is it too much to ask?

Chocolate bar? No prob.

Everything else will be a small wait..

389 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:16:14am

Insane Clown Posse Suing FBI For Classifying Juggalos As A Gang

Hoo boy, from the Comments Section:

SoCoMo
0 Fans
47 minutes ago (10:25 AM)
I'm confused at why my comment is censored? Is it because I am not complaining about Republicans and Democrats?

390 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:17:26am

re: #379 ggt

Hijab says that Assad's controlling less than 30% of the country, more security and diplomatic officials are readying to defect, but Assad's forces are continuing its brutalization of Syria. Russia rebuffed a story claiming one of its diplomats spoke to a Saudi paper (al-Watan) saying that Assad was willing to leave power, and Russia continues supporting the regime along with Iran.

Into the vacuum of power flows terror groups including Hizbullah and al Qaeda who hope to take advantage of the lawlessness - posing a threat to all of Syria's neighbors.

But does this mean that Assad's regime is on verge of collapsing? Assad's holding out longer than some of the other Arab Spring victims (Mubarak, Qadafi, or Ben Ali among others). As long as Russia keeps backing the regime, he's going to stick around much to the woe of all Syrians.

And the rebels aren't exactly showing themselves to be defenders of human rights either - not when they're busy defenestrating opponents and government officials, engaging in massacres against regime supporters, etc. In that respect, they're not much different than the militias supporting Assad.

391 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:17:40am

Gotta love him . . .40 years!

But all of it — the sweat, the innuendo, the unabashed libido — it serves a higher purpose for Simmons. As we talked in the empty studio, after he had taken photographs and signed shirts and body parts, he softly wept as he told me about the seriousness of what he does.

"Even though my work is whimsical," Simmons says, "I have a very serious job. I cry more than I laugh."

Contrary to popular belief, Simmons is not a jester. He is a minister.

"When I go to bed at night, I ask God to give me another day," he says. "I ask him to keep me strong and make me a good teacher, and to keep spreading this right word."

That "right word" — his life's work — is almost holy in its simplicity. For his entire professional life, his message has been: "Work hard, take care of yourself, and you'll be just fine."

And the messenger says he's not stopping anytime soon.

"I have to do it till the day I die," he says. "If I don't move, I'm not happy."

By that measure, Simmons will be happy long into the foreseeable future.

392 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:18:17am

re: #381 Amory Blaine

George W who? Who's that?
-Current GOP voter

Remember all those billboards just after Obama took office, the ones snickering at people by having a big picture of Dubya with a caption saying something "Miss me yet?"

Funny how quickly they all disowned his ass once things started the upward swing.

393 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:18:20am

re: #390 lawhawk

Hijab says that Assad's controlling less than 30% of the country, more security and diplomatic officials are readying to defect, but Assad's forces are continuing its brutalization of Syria. Russia rebuffed a story claiming one of its diplomats spoke to a Saudi paper (al-Watan) saying that Assad was willing to leave power, and Russia continues supporting the regime along with Iran.

Into the vacuum of power flows terror groups including Hizbullah and al Qaeda who hope to take advantage of the lawlessness - posing a threat to all of Syria's neighbors.

But does this mean that Assad's regime is on verge of collapsing? Assad's holding out longer than some of the other Arab Spring victims (Mubarak, Qadafi, or Ben Ali among others). As long as Russia keeps backing the regime, he's going to stick around much to the woe of all Syrians.

And the rebels aren't exactly showing themselves to be defenders of human rights either - not when they're busy defenestrating opponents and government officials, engaging in massacres against regime supporters, etc. In that respect, they're not much different than the militias supporting Assad.

New boss same as the old boss?

395 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:20:27am

I have to get going. Going on a cultural excursion today.

have a great one all!

396 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:24:10am

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don't know if I can trust this source but enjoy your breakfast anyway.

Dozens of people demonstrated outside the law courts in the Lebanese capital on Saturday to protest the use of anal "tests" on men suspected of homosexuality, which is a criminal offence in the Arab count
[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

Al-Arabiya and the HuffPo have picked it up as well, so if YNet is mistaken, so are several other news outlets.

397 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:24:34am

re: #389 Kronocide

The band's retained a lawyer to pursue legal action against the FBI and why they put the band's followers on a threat list.

For those unaware of the Insane Clown Posse, one of their hits:

Youtube Video
398 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:25:21am

re: #323 S'latch

I wish Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer would realize that calling people savages in "support" of Israel is very counterproductive. But, they never change.

I would say that from their perspective it is very, very productive.

399 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:26:40am

re: #397 lawhawk

They were the ones who unintentionally started the "Fucking magnets, how do they work?" meme.

[Link: knowyourmeme.com...]

I think ICP should be the GOP house band.

400 Mattand  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:27:58am

re: #397 lawhawk

re: #399 Obdicut

Beat me to it:

Youtube Video


Fucking lawsuits, how do they work?

401 erik_t  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:29:15am

re: #399 Obdicut

They were the ones who unintentionally started the "Fucking magnets, how do they work?" meme.

[Link: knowyourmeme.com...]

I think ICP should be the GOP house band.

J goes out, crosses B.

You can't explain that.

402 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:29:34am

Vote for GOP primary today for Herb Kohl's seat (WI).

I'm contemplating voting for a wingnut's wingnut, Mark Neumann.

403 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:32:38am

re: #354 Interesting Times

I can't understand for the life of me why the Citizens United billions of Adelson/Koch/Rove aren't buying a better campaign. Could it be that sheer hubris + getting their way for so long has made otherwise crafty, cunning people turn dumb?

For one thing, I don't think they have quite as much money as people keep thinking. Romney has a few individual donors who give ridiculous amounts, but Obama's campaign chest is a lot bigger.

Adelson is the single most generous donor Romney's got, and he's only given a little over 5 mil. Now, that's a giant 'only', but it goes only so far in today's national campaign.

People like to whisper about Adelson and the Kochs, and make it seem as though Romney's got money to burn, because They are behind him, but in real life, he's got a lot less to spend than the incumbent.

Now, since I could run a classier campaign with five thousand bucks and a laminator, I don't exactly know what is going on, but Romney's money power is not that great, and it's only going to get worse as it becomes clear he can't win.

404 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:32:56am

The 15 Hottest Conservative Women in New Media

Michelle Malkin beats out Pamela Gellar by a falsie.

405 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:33:03am

re: #402 Amory Blaine

Today's also the GOP primary in CT to fill Lieberman's seat. It's Linda McMahon vs. Chris Shays.

Although she won the party's endorsement at the state convention earlier this year, she is being challenged by former U.S. Rep. Christopher Shays, a moderate Republican who argues that McMahon is unqualified for the job. Meanwhile, McMahon accuses Shays of being a career politician.

Lieberman's decision not to run for another term has had a ripple effect throughout state politics. It prompted U.S. Rep. Chris Murphy to run for the Senate. Murphy, the Democratic Party's endorsed candidate, is facing a primary challenge from former Secretary of the State Susan Bysiewicz.

Meanwhile, Murphy's exit from the 5th Congressional District seat, which he has held since 2007, has led to two close primaries that have been shadowed by two unrelated federal investigations. The state's Democratic Speaker of the House and party-endorsed candidate, Chris Donovan, is facing challenges from former state Rep. Elizabeth Esty and political newcomer Daniel Roberti.

Donovan's former campaign finance manager and campaign manager were both recently arrested and charged with conspiring with others to hide the source of $27,500 in political contributions to his congressional campaign. While Donovan has denied any knowledge of the alleged scheme and has not been charged with any crimes, some of his rivals have called on him to get out of the race.

406 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:35:04am

To Selectively Protect And Serve

In February, President Barack Obama came to Milwaukee to celebrate the news that Master Lock was bringing jobs back from overseas to its plant here. To our great shame, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke chose to through a temper tantrum and willfully failed to provide the security he should have, claiming he couldn’t because of budget cuts.

On April 25, when Milwaukee County Executive Chris Abele was sworn in for his first full term in office, Clarke refused to provide even an honor guard for the occasion.

However, on this past Sunday, when Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney and his running mate, Paul Ryan, came to Wisconsin for a campaign rally, not only did Clarke provide a security detail, but sent them into Waukesha County for the entire duration of the political event.

407 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:36:42am

Epic Mansplainer Wonders Why Women Can’t Just Shut Up About the Gender Wage Gap Already

Newsflash, ladies: you need to stop jabbering on about this so-called "gender wage gap" thingamajig. You're not being discriminated against; the totally inconsequential pay difference is, if anything, your fault for working less hours and being kinda flakey! Are you on your period or something? Calm down!

That's the TL;DR version of National Review senior editor Ramesh Ponnuru's Bloomberg op-ed on how the gender wage gap (which he calls an "obsession" of feminist groups) is NBD. "Here's the truth you won't hear," Ponnuru writes. "The pay gap is exaggerated, discrimination doesn't drive it and it's not clear that government can eliminate it — or should even try." Tell us more about how it's cool that we get paid less than our male peers, oh wise one!

408 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:37:35am

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

For one thing, I don't think they have quite as much money as people keep thinking. Romney has a few individual donors who give ridiculous amounts, but Obama's campaign chest is a lot bigger.

Adelson is the single most generous donor Romney's got, and he's only given a little over 5 mil. Now, that's a giant 'only', but it goes only so far in today's national campaign.

People like to whisper about Adelson and the Kochs, and make it seem as though Romney's got money to burn, because They are behind him, but in real life, he's got a lot less to spend than the incumbent.

Now, since I could run a classier campaign with five thousand bucks and a laminator, I don't exactly know what is going on, but Romney's money power is not that great, and it's only going to get worse as it becomes clear he can't win.

I think that, in some ways, it's still early to tell just how effective all that money can be. It certainly helped Romney steamroll the competition, though in retrospect I think it wasn't the single key to his success so much as one of several factors, the next biggest being that his opponents were bigger losers than he. But we've still got the rest of August, September, and October to get through, which include both conventions and all the debates. Not to mention plenty of time for a major game changer to happen, such as the collapse of the Eurozone, an economic collapse in China, a major scandal erupting, a poor response to a natural disaster (hurricane season reaching it's peak), and so on. The power of millions in cash in a post-Citizens United democracy is still to be seen.

409 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:38:36am

re: #347 Lidane

Why is this imbecile still in the news? WTF?

Joe the Plumber Calls For Troops Along Arizona Border To ‘Start Shooting’

This fellow keeps having gretness thrust upon him - for the simple fact that his pinheaded views enjoy a great deal of resonance in the GOP and nobody has the nerve to refudiate them.

my ex moved to douglas, arizona in the 1980's, and now from what I hear from friends, they are in the thick of it: her hubby, a member of the minutemen, just built a 30-foot "observation tower" on their property.

He was also on the radio recently complaining about a law that requiring residents to offer water to people he finds dying of thirst on his property, he says he will do it only because the law compels him...

410 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:39:01am

re: #407 Lidane

Epic Mansplainer Wonders Why Women Can’t Just Shut Up About the Gender Wage Gap Already

Scary Woman Shadow at the link!

411 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:39:16am

re: #404 Kronocide

The 15 Hottest Conservative Women in New Media

Michelle Malkin beats out Pamela Gellar by a falsie.

Dr. Helen! Wow!

412 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:40:49am

re: #403 SanFranciscoZionist

For one thing, I don't think they have quite as much money as people keep thinking. Romney has a few individual donors who give ridiculous amounts, but Obama's campaign chest is a lot bigger.

There's a difference, though, between donations to candidates and "dark money" groups like Crossroads GPS and Americans For Prosperity (who are spending more money than all other groups combined).

I'm just saying one would think they'd be getting more bang for their buck. Have we truly reached the wingularity/fox saturation point? *knock wood*

413 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:42:21am

re: #406 Amory Blaine

To Selectively Protect And Serve

WTF is wrong with these people? Fuck that son of a bitch.

414 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:43:55am

re: #412 Interesting Times

There's a difference, though, between donations to candidates and "dark money" groups like Crossroads GPS and Americans For Prosperity (who are spending more money than all other groups combined).

I'm just saying one would think they'd be getting more bang for their buck. Have we truly reached the wingularity/fox saturation point? *knock wood*

I get spam emails from AFP. The only reason I have not added them to the shit filter is they are good for a laugh. It looks like Bridge Troll Matty Moroun is a big supporter around here, since a lot of their spam has to do with TEH HORROR of another US/Canada international border crossing, that would cause grievous loss to the Bridge Troll but not to anyone else.

415 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:43:55am

re: #350 Lidane

These guys seriously can't keep a narrative for shit. Worst. Campaign. Ever.

Romney Campaign Chair Contradicts Candidate, Says Romney’s Medicare Plan Is ‘Very Different’ From Ryan’s Plan

There are a lot of people on medicare and Social Security who just really dislike Obama and believe in GOP ideology and really want to believe that Mitt is not going to hang them out to dry...he has to play to them.

416 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:45:49am

re: #412 Interesting Times

I'm just saying one would think they'd be getting more bang for their buck.

If they had a better candidate, sure. As it is, they're stuck with Mitt, who can't risk owning up to his actual record as governor because it will piss off the lunatics he needs to vote for him, and Mitt's team is apparently so incompetent they can't keep a narrative for more than a day.

Have we truly reached the wingularity/fox saturation point? *knock wood*

Heh, no. Just wait until Barack Obama's second term, should he happen to win again in November.

417 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:46:19am
Don't Spread My Wealth Spread My Work Ethic

Joe the Wurzlebacher

418 7-y (Expectation of Great Things in Due Course)  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:46:26am

re: #275 dragonath

"God, what the hell happened."

Reagan.

419 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:46:42am

re: #399 Obdicut

They were the ones who unintentionally started the "Fucking magnets, how do they work?" meme.

[Link: knowyourmeme.com...]

I think ICP should be the GOP house band.

Damn, man. I'm not a big fan, but why are you putting down ICP like that...?

420 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:46:50am

Heh. I love the sly little digs this guy (NBC reporter embedded with train wreck Romney campaign) works into his tweets:

421 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:48:48am

re: #419 Mocking Jay

Damn, man. I'm not a big fan, but why are you putting down ICP like that...?

Gangmember! Sideways/Kill Shot!

422 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:50:28am

You say you want a revolution?

423 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:56:34am

re: #408 Targetpractice

I think that, in some ways, it's still early to tell just how effective all that money can be. It certainly helped Romney steamroll the competition, though in retrospect I think it wasn't the single key to his success so much as one of several factors, the next biggest being that his opponents were bigger losers than he. But we've still got the rest of August, September, and October to get through, which include both conventions and all the debates. Not to mention plenty of time for a major game changer to happen, such as the collapse of the Eurozone, an economic collapse in China, a major scandal erupting, a poor response to a natural disaster (hurricane season reaching it's peak), and so on. The power of millions in cash in a post-Citizens United democracy is still to be seen.

The kind of money Romney has access to made a lot more difference when he was a big, stable-looking fish in a pond that included Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann, yeah. Now he's up against Obama. Obama's just got more money, and a smarter, more prepared staff. Obama's got PACs too, (and Jeffrey Katzenberg, who may come in third on biggest individual donors of the race, but two million bucks ain't no slouch). He beats Romney on overall individual donors. And he gets money from the same corporate sources.

Romney may be personally wealthy, but he's not going to go broke running for President. And the money places limitations on him. Not huge ones, but some.

424 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 8:58:37am

re: #412 Interesting Times

There's a difference, though, between donations to candidates and "dark money" groups like Crossroads GPS and Americans For Prosperity (who are spending more money than all other groups combined).

I'm just saying one would think they'd be getting more bang for their buck. Have we truly reached the wingularity/fox saturation point? *knock wood*

Well, that's Romney's other problem. He's not sexy to wingnuts. Hence, the Ryan Desperation Move.

425 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:00:36am

re: #329 Killgore Trout

Ah, I didn't notice this last night night. I see the author of this link Alex Kane also writes for the hate site Mondowiess. Ugh.

See, if you actually bothered to read articles you could start pearl-clutching much sooner.

426 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:01:40am

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

The kind of money Romney has access to made a lot more difference when he was a big, stable-looking fish in a pond that included Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann, yeah. Now he's up against Obama.

he was fortunate enough to have both Gingrich and Santorum running against him. They kept the Anyone-But Mitt vote divided enough to prevent a nasty convention floor fight.

In retrospect I wonder if that's what Sheldon Adelson had in mind when he bankrolled Newt's otherwise hopeless campaign...

427 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:05:19am

re: #423 SanFranciscoZionist

The kind of money Romney has access to made a lot more difference when he was a big, stable-looking fish in a pond that included Rick Santorum and Michele Bachmann, yeah. Now he's up against Obama. Obama's just got more money, and a smarter, more prepared staff. Obama's got PACs too, (and Jeffrey Katzenberg, who may come in third on biggest individual donors of the race, but two million bucks ain't no slouch). He beats Romney on overall individual donors. And he gets money from the same corporate sources.

Romney may be personally wealthy, but he's not going to go broke running for President. And the money places limitations on him. Not huge ones, but some.

At the same time, you have to keep in mind that the primaries kept the money split between various candidates. Now that Willard's the only game in town, all the money that was split amongst several campaigns is being funneled straight into his war chest.

428 jaunte  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:06:35am

What sort of economics do they teach at Baylor U.?
Image: Screen_shot_2012-08-14_at_11.04.05_AM.png
Some people are still confused about how demand for workers is created.

429 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:08:32am

re: #428 jaunte

I wonder what she thinks would happen to the mall without the shoppers?

430 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:08:42am

re: #427 Targetpractice

At the same time, you have to keep in mind that the primaries kept the money split between various candidates. Now that Willard's the only game in town, all the money that was split amongst several campaigns is being funneled straight into his war chest.

Some of it, yes. But the fact remains, Obama's still got more money, and an incumbent's long head start.

431 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:10:15am

re: #428 jaunte

What sort of economics do they teach at Baylor U.?
Image: Screen_shot_2012-08-14_at_11.04.05_AM.png
Some people are still confused about how demand for workers is created.

Henry Ford didn't become rich by selling cars to rich people. Neither did most of the most notable entrepreneurs. Look at the petroleum industry. Do these knuckleheads think that a company like Exxon is making their billions from selling gasoline to the Mitt Romney's of the world? Capitalism thrives on the average Jane and Joe.

432 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:10:29am

re: #429 What Would Spalding Gray Do?

I wonder what she thinks would happen to the mall without the shoppers?

The Chinese have some experience with that...

433 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:11:55am

re: #431 Gus

Henry Ford didn't become rich by selling cars to rich people. Neither did most of the most notable entrepreneurs. Look at the petroleum industry. Do these knuckleheads think that a company like Exxon is making their billions from selling gasoline to the Mitt Romney's of the world? Capitalism thrives on the average Jane and Joe.

Which is why raising the sales tax to substitute for the current income tax levels is a bad idea. We're a consumer driven economy when push comes to shove. If people don't buy products, the economy doesn't work.

434 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:14:15am

Hmmm apparently Romney is going to an event today in Florida hosted by a convicted cocaine trafficker. I'm for legalized drugs but I have to wonder what the response would be if Obama did something like this. Anything to line Mitt and his pockets I guess.

435 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:14:38am

re: #428 jaunte

What sort of economics do they teach at Baylor U.?
Image: Screen_shot_2012-08-14_at_11.04.05_AM.png
Some people are still confused about how demand for workers is created.

436 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:15:25am

re: #435 Learned Mother of Zion

[Embedded content]

And there is the matter of where the jobs are created.

437 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:16:45am
DeeInHouston, YUNOLIKEME?

Regards, Logic in Lubbock

438 Kronocide  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:17:35am

Who Run Bartertown? I Run Bartertown economics.

439 William of Orange  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:21:20am

I think a spray can could improve the message.


“In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”

Vote Obama.

440 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:23:00am

re: #431 Gus

Henry Ford didn't become rich by selling cars to rich people. Neither did most of the most notable entrepreneurs. Look at the petroleum industry. Do these knuckleheads think that a company like Exxon is making their billions from selling gasoline to the Mitt Romney's of the world? Capitalism thrives on the average Jane and Joe.

Seriously, what a fool Ford was, paying his employees enough so that they could afford to buy one of the cars he was producing. Didn't he knew that cars were toys for the rich and powerful? How did he ever expect to turn a profit by paying his employees so much and selling his cars so cheap?

///

441 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:23:22am

Lady Gaga blasted by PETA over fur photos

442 jaunte  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:23:37am

re: #440 Targetpractice

Seriously, what a fool Ford was, paying his employees enough so that they could afford to buy one of the cars he was producing. Didn't he knew that cars were toys for the rich and powerful? How did he ever expect to turn a profit by paying his employees so much and selling his cars so cheap?

///

#LiberalFail!

443 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:24:24am

re: #435 Learned Mother of Zion

Just looked at her Twitter timeline. She's even pulled out the "ZOMG OBAMA ATE A DOG" fail.

Probably not worth it to argue. She's hopeless.

444 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:25:31am

re: #440 Targetpractice

Seriously, what a fool Ford was, paying his employees enough so that they could afford to buy one of the cars he was producing. Didn't he knew that cars were toys for the rich and powerful? How did he ever expect to turn a profit by paying his employees so much and selling his cars so cheap?

///

These people are so dense. They're basically all about wealth worship these days with little understanding of the market. I think Walmart is another example. The Walton family generate their wealth not by way of the "1 percent."

445 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:25:37am

re: #442 jaunte

#LiberalFail!

I'd post, but I don't do Twitter.

446 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:27:08am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

Lady Gaga blasted by PETA over fur photos

Fuck PETA. Seriously.

I get the benefits of a more plant-based diet and the horrors of factory farming. I get the benefits of avoiding fast "food" garbage like McDonald's. I even understand not wearing fur. PETA are still a bunch of douchebags.

447 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:28:08am

re: #440 Targetpractice

Seriously, what a fool Ford was, paying his employees enough so that they could afford to buy one of the cars he was producing. Didn't he knew that cars were toys for the rich and powerful? How did he ever expect to turn a profit by paying his employees so much and selling his cars so cheap?

///

There was a famous quote involving a GM executive who was showing a UAW boss the newest fully automated productin line.

"And not a single one of those workers in a union member," he bragged. To which the UAW boss replied, "And not one of them is a GM customer!"

448 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:28:32am

re: #425 Charles Johnson

See, if you actually bothered to read articles you could start pearl-clutching much sooner.

I didn't read it, just googled his name. He's a pretty warped individual. Not only is he a Hamas apologist he also think the flotilla that tried to take Israeli soldiers hostage was a peace mission.
Hamas and ‘Israel’s Destruction’

I certainly have no love for Pamela geller but I don't care what this guy thinks about anything.

449 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:29:06am

Bah I need a new monitor. My precious IPS died. Had to resort to a vintage lcd I keep for a spare. Contemplating a 27" or 30" this time. So many conflicting reviews on monitors though.

450 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:29:19am

re: #447 Expand Your Ground

There was a famous quote involving a GM executive who was showing a UAW boss the newest fully automated productin line.

"And not a single one of those workers in a union member," he bragged. To which the UAW boss replied, "And not one of them is a GM customer!"

Heh clever.

451 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:29:23am

Speaking of which...

452 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:29:32am

re: #444 Gus

These people are so dense. They're basically all about wealth worship these days with little understanding of the market. I think Walmart is another example. The Walton family generate their wealth not by way of the "1 percent."

The Walton family keep their wealth by trampling on their work force, both the minimum-wagers with no benefits who work in their stores, and the little brown children who slave away in their offshore sweatshops.

453 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:29:42am

re: #444 Gus

These people are so dense. They're basically all about wealth worship these days with little understanding of the market. I think Walmart is another example. The Walton family generate their wealth not by way of the "1 percent."

Nothing causes me a headache faster than the repetition of that most inane of statement: "No poor man ever gave me a job." Really? Every job I worked, the CEO never personally gave me an interview. Hell, I can't remember a job where the person giving me the interview looked like they cleared more than $100,000 annually after taxes. The first job I worked was in a grocery store and the store manager still lived with his mother.

454 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:29:45am

re: #441 NJDhockeyfan

Lady Gaga blasted by PETA over fur photos

They must've gone nuclear over her meat dress.

455 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:30:36am

re: #444 Gus

These people are so dense. They're basically all about wealth worship these days with little understanding of the market.

Why do they need to understand the market? Limbaugh, Hannity, Faux News and the rest of the RWNJ media bubble tells them that free markets good/ liberalism bad, and that jobs are created by rich people. That's all they need to know.

456 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:30:40am

re: #452 Learned Mother of Zion

The Walton family keep their wealth by trampling on their work force, both the minimum-wagers with no benefits who work in their stores, and the little brown children who slave away in their offshore sweatshops.

And woe to the worker who suggests forming a union.

457 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:32:05am

re: #452 Learned Mother of Zion

The Walton family keep their wealth by trampling on their work force, both the minimum-wagers with no benefits who work in their stores, and the little brown children who slave away in their offshore sweatshops.

Yep. I was kind of wording that for the wingnut audience. I was going to say that the Walmart makes their riches on the backs of the poor. Not only that but they rely on government assistance for their employees such as welfare and medical aid.

458 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:32:30am

re: #449 Amory Blaine

Bah I need a new monitor. My precious IPS died. Had to resort to a vintage lcd I keep for a spare. Contemplating a 27" or 30" this time. So many conflicting reviews on monitors though.

In "Brazil"-ian future monitor watch you!

You also get a 4"x4" screen and a big magnifying lens.

;)

459 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:33:57am

re: #448 Killgore Trout

Got it - the article is a straight news report, but you'd rather hyperventilate about the author than discuss the facts he's reporting.

460 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:34:15am

re: #458 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

In "Brazil"-ian future monitor watch you!

You also get a 4"x4" screen and a big magnifying lens.

;)

I assume a "Brazilian" monitor is one that only shows a 1" strip down the middle of the screen...

461 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:34:24am

re: #455 Lidane

Why do they need to understand the market? Limbaugh, Hannity, Faux News and the rest of the RWNJ media bubble tells them that free markets good/ liberalism bad, and that jobs are created by rich people. That's all they need to know.

Yep. It's "all the libruls fault!" In this specific case they seem to have forgotten that the GM "bailout" began under W.

462 jaunte  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:34:50am

Sununu to O'Brien: ‘Put an Obama bumper sticker on your forehead’

The chairman of presumptive Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney’s national steering committee on Tuesday angrily shouted for a CNN anchor to “put an Obama bumper sticker on your forehead” after she tried to fact check Republican claims about Rep. Paul Ryan’s (R-WI) plan to overhaul Medicare.

463 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:35:04am

re: #449 Amory Blaine

Gotta put eyeballs on the monitors - but when I went for a new computer, I sprung for twin HP monitors (I think they were 23 in diagonals). It's all about the real estate. :)

464 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:35:05am

re: #461 Gus

Yep. It's "all the libruls fault!" In this specific case they seem to have forgotten that the GM "bailout" began under W.

W who?

465 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:36:23am

re: #462 jaunte

Sununu to O'Brien: ‘Put an Obama bumper sticker on your forehead’

There are already complaints about the "liberal mainstream" moderators chosen for the upcoming debates, but this is some of their pre-emptive ass-covering: Romney lost because the MSM turned on him.

466 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:36:46am

re: #461 Gus

In this specific case they seem to have forgotten that the GM "bailout" began under W.

And that Paul Ryan voted for it. Oops.

467 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:37:27am

re: #461 Gus

Yep. It's "all the libruls fault!" In this specific case they seem to have forgotten that the GM "bailout" began under W.

They don't forget it, they just roll their eyes and go "I didn't agree with it." Seriously, they're all born-again "small government" believers who woke up on Jan 21st, 2009 and decided "Bush was totally a mistake, I won't ever make it again."

468 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:37:33am

re: #461 Gus

Yep. It's "all the libruls fault!" In this specific case they seem to have forgotten that the GM "bailout" began under W.

GM went under because of all of those safety and mileage restrictions imposed on them by Washington. And the unions, of course...don't you read your doctrine?

469 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:38:38am

re: #468 Expand Your Ground

GM went under because of all of those safety and mileage restrictions imposed on them by Washington. And the unions, of course...don't you read your doctrine?

The unions that Obama totally sold the Big Three to, instead of engaging in a little good ol' fashioned union busting, as it should have been!

470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:38:52am

re: #465 Expand Your Ground

There are already complaints about the "liberal mainstream" moderators chosen for the upcoming debates, but this is some of their pre-emptive ass-covering: Romney lost because the MSM turned on him.

Heh. Imagine the gnashing of teeth if the media opted to give up the "horse race" meme to keep up advertising revenue and tried to do some actual journalism and analysis on this election based on reality.

471 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:39:59am

re: #464 Amory Blaine

W who?

Image: 220px-W_ver4.jpg

472 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:40:03am

re: #463 lawhawk

I'm thinking a Dell U3011 30", but they may be having a new model coming out this fall so I might wait to see if it's any better. Then maybe flanking it with 20" portrait mode monitors in the future.

473 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:40:09am
474 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:40:36am

re: #470 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Heh. Imagine the gnashing of teeth if the media opted to give up the "horse race" meme to keep up advertising revenue and tried to do some actual journalism and analysis on this election based on reality.

we still live under the illusion that the news is the product that the networks sell and we viewers are the customers.

their product is advertising time, the news coverage is just there to attract viewers to make the product more attractive to their customers, the advertisers.

475 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:40:54am

re: #466 Lidane

And that Paul Ryan voted for it. Oops.

Ain't that a hoot? Paul Ryan, George W. Bush, McCotter all come to mind.

476 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:41:38am

re: #472 Amory Blaine

*drooling* Well, if they're coming out with a new model, you might be able to pick the old one up at a discount.

477 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:41:46am

Leave Mr. Cotter out of this!!!!!!

Youtube Video
478 CarleeCork  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:43:52am

re: #466 Lidane

And that Paul Ryan voted for it. Oops.

I see some great Obama ads coming.

479 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:45:30am

re: #473 lawhawk

[Embedded content]

Oy.

480 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 9:45:50am

re: #478 CarleeCork

I see some great Obama ads coming.

I'm looking forward to any ads with Newt in them calling the Ryan budget "right wing social engineering". That and the ads pointing out that Ryan voted for every bailout that the GOP base hates.

481 Ming  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:05:27pm

re: #35 Shiplord Kirel

I think a serious, clinical mental health evaluation as a condition for gun ownership is in order. There, I said it. So sue me, NRA.

In this country, you have to take a test to be able to drive a car on public roads. Then, the government may take away your write to drive, if you have a bad driving record. That seems perfectly reasonable to me. But unlike driving a car, if you want to buy a gun, and lots of ammo, you can just do it. Sure, there may be a waiting period, and I think felons aren't allowed to have guns. But you don't have to take anything like a driving test if you want to own a gun. You can just go ahead and buy it.

482 researchok  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:19:24pm

re: #1 researchok

For the record, my remark included a typo

It should have read

Outrageous and deceitful protest.

What other groups do is NO excuse for similar behavior.

Most, but not everyone seemed to have understood my intent.

(given my first remark, that should have been obvious).

483 Patricia Kayden  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 6:52:59pm

What's Geller's endgame? All this anti-Muslim nonsense is leading up to what exactly? As hateful as Republicans are, I cannot see the ones in Congress passing any legislation targeting Muslims. Geller must be making money from her activism. I don't see any other reason for her obsession with all things Islam.
And I agree with the person above who commented that such ads probably wouldn't be allowed in Israel. Calling Muslims savage is hate speech. Period.


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