Billionaire Oil Tycoon Is Romney Energy Adviser

Let’s make America more like the oil fields of North Dakota
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Here are a couple of articles you should read about another multi-billionaire Romney supporter, Harold Hamm, who has donated at least $1 million to a pro-Romney Super PAC, because he foresees a big windfall for his fossil fuel corporation if Romney’s elected: Billionaire Oil Driller Serving as Romney Energy Advisor.

Here’s another interesting figure in the Romney camp. The Washington Post reports that one of his big financial backers is the CEO of Continental Resources, an oil exploration company based in Oklahoma best known for its leading role in extracting fossil fuels from the Bakken formation, which stretches across parts of Montana, North Dakota, and Saskatchewan.

Harold Hamm, the world’s 76th richest man, has some interesting thoughts, one might say, about energy policy. He makes no secret that he thinks more environmentally intensive oil drilling practices should be actively promoted and subsidized by the government. And he’s not a fan of the Obama administration’s policies to support renewable energy sources and reduced reliance on fossil fuels. On a website Hamm calls “CEO Insights,” the 66-year-old multi-billionaire has this to say:

Since President Obama’s election three and a half years ago, he and his administration have done everything in their power to stop fossil fuel usage, including a carbon tax, increased federal regulations, delays in federal permitting, infrastructure permitting denials for the Keystone XL Pipeline, capital starvation for drilling by the elimination of intangible drilling costs, and depletion allowance. All of these actions are designed to result in higher costs at the pump for the consumer. At the same time, there are billions of dollars in subsidies being given to solar, wind and all other alternative sources of energy.

In short, the President is opposed to drilling for oil and gas to supply America’s needs and future. I have been in this business for over 45 years and I can assure you there just isn’t any way to coax oil and gas from the rocks they are in to bring them to the surface for consumption without drilling a well! The President is faced with a situation today which even he doesn’t have the power to stop. I will just call it the modern-day American Energy Renaissance.

He goes on to explain how fracking and horizontal drilling technology could be used to drastically expand domestic fossil fuel production.

And at Grist: Meet Harold Hamm, the Billionaire Oil Tycoon Who’s Advising Mitt Romney on Energy.

(By the way, that photo above may look like a parody of a fat-cat oil company owner, but it’s really him.)

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218 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:38:25pm

Is Scrooge McDuck one too?

2 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:38:52pm

Because really, what better way forward for an America suffering through the worst drought in decades than to double down on dino juice?

3 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:40:44pm

But does he fire pistols into the air while shouting "YEE-HAW"?

4 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:40:44pm

I'm really at a loss for words. Does Romney just get all his advisers straight from Evil Businessmen Monthly?

5 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:42:15pm

By the way, that photo may look like a parody of a fat-cat oil company owner, but it's really him.

6 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:42:16pm

re: #4 Kragar

I'm really at a loss for words. Does Romney just get all his advisers straight from Evil Businessmen Monthly?

I think he has his personal advisers tell him "These will make you look the most palatable to the right wing." Take his foreign policy, judicial, and immigration ones. Bolton, Bork, and Kobach, all guys that make him look "severely conservative."

7 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:42:40pm

I'm surprised he hasn't hired Don Blankenship yet.

8 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:43:12pm

re: #6 HappyWarrior

I think he has his personal advisers tell him "These will make you look the most palatable to the right wing." Take his foreign policy, judicial, and immigration ones. Bolton, Bork, and Kobach, all guys that make him look "severely conservative."

To the rest of us, it makes him look like a massive sell-out. But I guess that's what he was going for.

9 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:43:14pm

Looks like "The Frog" from "Courageous Cat and Minute Mouse." Chauncey "Flat-Face" Frog

10 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:43:59pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

He has the Innsmouth look about him.

11 kirkspencer  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:44:02pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

I'm surprised he hasn't hired Don Blankenship yet.

Oh, that's his candidate for Labor.
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12 ShaunP  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:45:35pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

By the way, that photo may look like a parody of a fat-cat oil company owner, but it's really him.

My first thought was, "he looks horrifying!"

14 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:45:56pm

Let's bring back Standard Oil of New Jersey!

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15 jaunte  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:47:25pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

By the way, that photo may look like a parody of a fat-cat oil company owner, but it's really him.

"At age 50, every man has the face he deserves"

16 jaunte  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:50:25pm

“Our air was polluted, and we cleaned it up,” says Hamm. “Our rivers were polluted, and we cleaned them up."

The Gulf of Mexico? I'll have to get back to ya.

17 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:50:33pm

• Harold Hamm
• Koch Brothers
• Sheldon Adelson
• Foster Friess

Quite the line-up of old fashioned railroad magnate types.

18 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:51:17pm

re: #16 jaunte

“Our air was polluted, and we cleaned it up,” says Hamm. “Our rivers were polluted, and we cleaned them up."

The Gulf of Mexico? I'll have to get back to ya.

Yeah. They're clean now so we don't have to worry about it anymore.

River's clean! Let's forget about the EPA!

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19 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:51:40pm

re: #17 Gus

• Harold Hamm
• Koch Brothers
• Sheldon Adelson
• Foster Friess

Quite the line-up of old fashioned railroad magnate types.

Mr. Monopoly would be available but he hasn't rolled doubles yet so he's still in jail.

20 aagcobb  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:51:56pm

I am shocked this man has not yet been named Romney's environmental advisor. You're slaking off, Mitt!

21 CarleeCork  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:51:57pm

Is anyone surprised? The FIRST thing Bush/Cheney did was put the oil industry in charge of their energy policy. Remember those secret meeting in January?

22 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:53:39pm

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Mr. Monopoly would be available but he hasn't rolled doubles yet so he's still in jail.

I believe you mean Rich Uncle Pennybags.

23 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:53:59pm

Sign in front of Romney campaign HQ: "Fox wanted, to guard henhouse. Net worth in excess of $100 million a plus. Apply within."

24 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:54:05pm

re: #22 jamesfirecat

I believe you mean Rich Uncle Pennybags.

Ah, I always thought his name was Mr. Monopoly.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:54:43pm

re: #16 jaunte

“Our air was polluted, and we cleaned it up,” says Hamm. “Our rivers were polluted, and we cleaned them up."

The Gulf of Mexico? I'll have to get back to ya.

The part not said: "We cleaned them up because people got tired of living in carcinogenic air and flammable lakes and pressed the government to create the EPA and various environmental laws that cost us billions of dollars a year in legal fees."

26 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:55:56pm
27 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:57:49pm
28 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:58:34pm
29 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:58:51pm

re: #17 Gus

• Harold Hamm
• Koch Brothers
• Sheldon Adelson
• Foster Friess

Quite the line-up of old fashioned railroad magnate types.

Sounds almost like a lunch order.

"I'll have a Hamm on rye with some Friess and a Koch."

30 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 12:59:49pm

re: #29 wrenchwench

Sounds almost like a lunch order.

"I'll have a Hamm on rye with some Friess and a Koch."

Ha! Good one.

31 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:00:32pm

re: #25 Targetpractice

The part not said: "We cleaned them up because people got tired of living in carcinogenic air and flammable lakes and pressed the government to create the EPA and various environmental laws that cost us billions of dollars a year in legal fees."

Don't worry.

This will be prevented from happening in future by forcing arbitration, putting strict limits on class action lawsuits, and capping compensation agreements.

32 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:01:59pm

re: #26 Gus

How do these people get through the day without hurting themselves? I'd love to know.

33 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:02:45pm

re: #31 The Ghost of a Flea

Don't worry.

This will be prevented from happening in future by forcing arbitration, putting strict limits on class action lawsuits, and capping compensation agreements.

You know, I watched A Civil Action ages ago and never thought to myself "This is why we don't need the EPA, because we can just fight it out for years in the courts!"

34 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:03:29pm
35 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:04:37pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Considering the slate of "advisers" he's got, my guess is his thought pattern goes "It's not real, it's all a UN plot to destroy America, but if it is real then it's not our fault and there's nothing we can do about it."

36 S'latch  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:06:23pm

This story has so many of the elements that draw the distinction between the Republicans and the Democrats in this election. Millionaire-Fat Cats, Super PACs, Oil, Energy, Fracking, a carbon tax, federal regulations, the Keystone XL Pipeline.

And "more environmentally intensive oil drilling practices?" I don't even know what "more environmentally intensive oil drilling practices" are but they don't sound good. At first I misread it as "more environmentally insensitive oil drilling practices" but that might not have been a bad misreading.

37 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:06:28pm

re: #34 Charles Johnson

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Signed.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:06:42pm

Mitt's campaign in a nut house, er, shell:

Why yes, I'm a ridiculously obvious hypocrite, panderer, and sell-out; but hey, I'm white!

39 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:08:13pm

Why CO2 is plant food!
-- Mitt Romney

40 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:09:54pm

CO2 is plant food: mostly true
-- Politifact

41 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:10:15pm

re: #39 Gus

Why CO2 is plant food!
-- Mitt Romney

"CO2 is plant food, my friend!"

42 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:10:39pm

Religious Right activists warn children with glasses or ADHD may be placed under control of the UN

they deserve to have somebody making a living selling them anti-UN charms to magically ward off Blue Helmeted Demons

43 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:11:11pm

Barton and Fischer Defend 'The Jefferson Lies' by Attacking Warren Throckmorton

When David Barton penned his first defense of his book "The Jefferson Lies," he asserted that his critics were motivated by "hostility toward me and my personal religious beliefs" and therefore could never point to anything that he got wrong and instead simply attack him for his faith and the worldview that he promotes.

That is obviously nonsense, but today Barton appeared Bryan Fischer's radio program to discuss the developments that led his book being pulled from print where the two men spent a good deal of the discussion personally attacking Warren Throckmorton, one of Barton's (and Fischer's) most vocal critics and the co-author of "Getting Jefferson Right."

The crux of their attack was that Throckmorton was once a true evangelical but then turned away from supporting the use of reparative therapy to "cure" gays, at which point he lost his moral compass. Throckmorton is now, according to Barton, a radical member of the "Religious Left" .... and you know that because he associates with Right Wing Watch!

44 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:13:47pm

The GOP really seems to have a deep need to brag about how much money they raise. It's almost like they are...insecure.

45 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:13:59pm
46 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:14:50pm
47 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:16:30pm

Nixon went to China,
Romney went to France,
If the GOP wins this one,
We haven't got a chance.

48 EdDantes  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:17:16pm

re: #5 Charles Johnson

By the way, that photo may look like a parody of a fat-cat oil company owner, but it's really him.

That is why that photo was chosen.

49 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:20:02pm

If they were to get in, these people would make us really long for the days of Dick Cheney...

50 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:20:47pm

Good afternoon.

51 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:23:02pm

re: #21 CarleeCork

Is anyone surprised? The FIRST thing Bush/Cheney did was put the oil industry in charge of their energy policy. Remember those secret meeting in January?

It's the Republican way. Remember during Reagan's administration and James Watt?

52 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:23:17pm

Children with glasses or ADHD may be placed under control of the UN: mostly true.
-- Politifact

53 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:23:54pm

re: #26 Gus

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Wut.

54 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:24:00pm

re: #48 EdDantes

That is why that photo was chosen.

Not much better when he smiles.

Image: hamm.jpeg

I like the subliminal message behind him.

55 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:25:27pm

re: #26 Gus

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This guy ran for Lt Governor here in 1994 and was a huge Huckabee backer in 2008. Guy has a "homeschool" university near here too. Knew he was nuts but not this nuts.

56 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:25:27pm
57 jaunte  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:25:59pm

Exclusive: The Crude Intentions Of Romney’s Keystone Billionaire Bundler

Despite Hamm’s homilies about liberating the US from foreign oil, crude from the Canadian tar sands is still foreign. Heather Taylor, director of the National Resource Defense Council’s Action Fund, told The National Memo that tycoons like Hamm want to build the XL pipeline to “raise the price” of US and Canadian crude. Canadian regulators disclosed the same thing in a 2010 report, saying the “purpose” of the pipeline is to disburse the surplus of oil in the Midwest and “create a higher price” for crude. Bloomberg reported prices may rise as much as 20 cents a gallon in the Midwest and Rocky Mountain region if the XL project is completed.

58 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:26:45pm
Farris: They’re called living documents, just like the disgraced living Constitution theory, which means the treaty doesn’t mean today what it’s going to mean tomorrow what it’s going to mean ten years from now. So you never know what you’re signing up for, that by itself is a good enough reason to leave it alone and to never enter into one of these things. But in particular, you hit the nail on the head Tony, the definition of disability is not defined in the treaty. My kid wears glasses, now they’re disabled, now the UN gets control over them; my child’s got a mild case of ADHD, now you’re under control of the UN treaty. There’s no definitional standard, it can change over time, and the UN, not American policymakers, are the ones who get it decided.

What a nutter.

59 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:26:45pm

Teddy charged up San Juan Hill,
Mitt says, "Granny, pay your bill!"
Nixon and Cheney, Dicks they are,
but better than Romney, that by far.

60 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:27:38pm

re: #37 wrenchwench

Signed.

Aaand email received from 350.org. I like it when my side is organized!

61 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:27:59pm

Of course, Farris whines about "UN control" but he would have no problem if he or his church got to rule over this country.

63 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:29:40pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Tea Party Nation: America Won't Elect Black President 'For a Generation or Two' Because of Obama

Sounds like Caruba is projecting his own frustration on to Obama. Pretty pathetic that he's hiding behind but I'm black too.

65 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:30:21pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Tea Party Nation: America Won't Elect Black President 'For a Generation or Two' Because of Obama

That is not a dogwhistle, that is a burning cross...

66 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:30:21pm

re: #58 Varek Raith

What a nutter.

Science! These are the same people that don't "believe" in climate change or evolution.

67 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:30:30pm

Richard Viguerie: Paul Ryan’s Toughest Opponents Will Be Romney’s Liberal Staff

No doubt Paul Ryan is going to run circles around the hapless Joe Biden during the vice presidential debate and Ryan’s facility with the numbers behind Washington’s spending problem make it unlikely hostile reporters will trip him up there.

Ryan’s toughest opponents will not be the Obama campaign and the Democrats or others outside the Romney/Ryan campaign, they will be the liberal insiders and Washington GOP establishment figures who have crafted Governor Romney’s content free campaign and who want nothing to do with the conservative economic ideas and commitment to the right-to-life and family issues that make Paul Ryan so appealing to conservatives.

68 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:32:09pm

re: #65 Expand Your Ground

That is not a dogwhistle, that is a burning cross...

It's fucking stupid. You have to conveniently forget that we've already elected a black POTUS because of Obama, then you have to buy the lie that he's somehow set blacks back several decades by being President.

69 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:32:14pm

re: #67 Lidane

Richard Viguerie: Paul Ryan’s Toughest Opponents Will Be Romney’s Liberal Staff

Romney's liberal staff?!?! Haha. Excuse but hahaha. And Viguerie you idiot, Ryan is the GOP establishment. This is a guy who while he may be only forty two is on his third president and of course Viguerie is an insider too.

70 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:32:24pm

re: #67 Lidane

Richard Viguerie: Paul Ryan’s Toughest Opponents Will Be Romney’s Liberal Staff

No doubt Paul Ryan is going to run circles around the hapless Joe Biden during the vice presidential debate

I stopped reading right there.

Biden's going to pick him apart.

71 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:32:27pm

re: #67 Lidane

Richard Viguerie: Paul Ryan’s Toughest Opponents Will Be Romney’s Liberal Staff

Mmm. Sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory.

72 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:33:09pm

re: #71 Gus

Mmm. Sounds like a bit of a conspiracy theory.

Agenda 21.

73 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:34:02pm

re: #26 Gus

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Where do these idiots get the idea that a UN convention could supersede the US Constitution? Obama could sign a UN treaty, get it ratified, and have it carved in stone on Mount Rushmore, and it STILL would not be enforceable if it didn't pass muster with the courts.

74 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:34:14pm

re: #70 makeitstop

No doubt Paul Ryan is going to run circles around the hapless Joe Biden during the vice presidential debate

I stopped reading right there.

Biden's going to pick him apart.

remember the caveat about him being "tripped up by hostile moderators". They are already putting that escape hatch inplace for the eventuality that they fall flat on their faces.

75 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:35:05pm

re: #74 Expand Your Ground

remember the caveat about him being "tripped up by hostile moderators". They are already putting that escape hatch inplace for the eventuality that they fall flat on their faces.

The whole thing's an escape hatch, their ready-made excuse for when Romney bombs in November and how it doesn't hurt Ryan's future chances to be tied to such a joke of a campaign.

76 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:35:22pm

Richard Viguerie

In 1977, Viguerie worked on a project to raise money for Sun Myung Moon's Children's Relief Fund, which reportedly only received 6.3% of the $1,508,256 raised. $920,000 went to Viguerie according to New York State charity auditors.[9][10]

Viguerie sought the Republican nomination for lieutenant governor of Virginia in 1985, but did not receive the nomination at the GOP state convention.

Asked by Campaigns and Elections in May 2000 what his immediate goals were, Viguerie answered:

To use the Internet to involve Americans in the political process, to help conservatives gain an advantage over the left. To fight against government's use of power, to fight for individual rights and responsibilities, and to fight to extend the blessings of liberty throughout the world.[5]

Writing in The Nation, David Corn noted that Viguerie "raised money for Judicial Watch" and is associated with Larry Klayman, a conservative lawyer and activist who had been a failed candidate for the Republican nomination for US Senate in Florida in 2004.[11]

Viguerie has long been associated with conservative activist Howard Phillips through creation of the Moral Majority in 1979.

According to CharityWatch.org: "[Roger] Chapin hired his long-time friend and direct mail expert, Richard Viguerie, to conduct fundraising campaigns for HHV, paying Viguerie's company $14 million between 2000 and 2005." HHV is a charity run by Roger Chapin, which according to Charity Watch has made many questionable and apparently unethical payments unrelated to its purported mission.[12]

In January 2008, Viguerie launched ultimateronpaul.com, a website designed to promote the 2008 presidential candidacy of U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, whom Viguerie described as "truly a principled conservative in the grand tradition of Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, and Ronald Reagan" and who "has differentiated himself from all the other candidates, whose allegiance is to Big Government Republicanism."[13]

77 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:35:22pm

re: #74 Expand Your Ground

remember the caveat about him being "tripped up by hostile moderators". They are already putting that escape hatch inplace for the eventuality that they fall flat on their faces.

If he can be tripped up by mere moderators, I don't want him 2nd in command.

78 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:35:25pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

Where do these idiots get the idea that a UN convention could supersede the US Constitution? Obama could sign a UN treaty, get it ratified, and have it carved in stone on Mount Rushmore, and it STILL would not be enforceable if it didn't pass muster with the courts.

They obviously didn't pass their high school government course.

79 erik_t  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:35:44pm

re: #74 Expand Your Ground

remember the caveat about him being "tripped up by hostile moderators". They are already putting that escape hatch inplace for the eventuality that they fall flat on their faces.

We can handle the hostile heads of state all day long. It's the hostile moderators we have to worry about.

80 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:35:50pm

Moonie-Moral Majority-Ron Paul

81 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:37:07pm

re: #80 Gus

Moonie-Moral Majority-Ron Paul

To the chalkboard!

82 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:37:56pm

re: #70 makeitstop

No doubt Paul Ryan is going to run circles around the hapless Joe Biden during the vice presidential debate

I stopped reading right there.

Biden's going to pick him apart.

A wingnut the other day started snickering about how they can't wait til the VP debates, expecting Ryan to sit there with a smile as he pushes Biden into a sputtering rage. I just snickered before reminding them that the little prince had a very public temper tantrum last year, after Obama laid into his budget while he was in the audience, and stormed out before going to the press to demand an apology from the White House.

Biden's got 30+ years over Ryan, he was writing legislation when Ryan was in preschool. He's gonna get gutted like a fish on live TV.

83 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:39:02pm

re: #74 Expand Your Ground

remember the caveat about him being "tripped up by hostile moderators". They are already putting that escape hatch inplace for the eventuality that they fall flat on their faces.

There certainly is a lot of that going on since Saturday.

Those liberal lamestream media women! Romney's liberal staff! They're all conspiring against them!

84 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:39:09pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

A wingnut the other day started snickering about how they can't wait til the VP debates, expecting Ryan to sit there with a smile as he pushes Biden into a sputtering rage. I just snickered before reminding them that the little prince had a very public temper tantrum last year, after Obama laid into his budget while he was in the audience, and stormed out before going to the press to demand an apology from the White House.

Biden's got 30+ years over Ryan, he was writing legislation when Ryan was in preschool. He's gonna get gutted like a fish on live TV.

Yep, and let's not even start on the hilarity that is going to be the Presidential debates.

85 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:40:09pm

re: #77 Varek Raith

If he can be tripped up by mere moderators, I don't want him 2nd in command.

He fears the superior heroics of the inanimate carbon rod.

86 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:40:42pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

Yep, and let's not even start on the hilarity that is going to be the Presidential debates.

What are the odds on Romney betting Obama money on stage when he gets flustered?

87 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:41:06pm

re: #82 Targetpractice

Biden's got 30+ years over Ryan, he was writing legislation when Ryan was in preschool. He's gonna get gutted like a fish on live TV.

Yep. And Joe will do it with a smile on his face. I can't wait.

88 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:41:23pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

Yep, and let's not even start on the hilarity that is going to be the Presidential debates.

Yeah Mitt's going to try the you didn't build this to get a cheap shot in at Obama and Obama's going to remind him of a couple things 1) That he didn't actually say that and 2.) Mitt's own bragging about getting federal funds for the SLC winter Olympics.

89 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:41:59pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Yeah Mitt's going to try the you didn't build this to get a cheap shot in at Obama and Obama's going to remind him of a couple things 1) That he didn't actually say that and 2.) Mitt's own bragging about getting federal funds for the SLC winter Olympics.

I think we'll see Mitt do more tap dancing around issues than his wife's horse.

90 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:42:01pm

re: #73 Shiplord Kirel

Where do these idiots get the idea that a UN convention could supersede the US Constitution?

Alex Jones, Luap Nor, Limbaugh, Hannity, Faux News, etc. Take your pick.

91 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:42:04pm

Biden will be fine. The wringers were claiming that Palin would out do him and then when she wasn't a total trainwreck, they tried to say that alone was a victory.

92 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:42:04pm

Right. Paul Ryan is going to "debate" his budget plans...

and bring up Medicare...

No going to happen.

93 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:42:33pm
94 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:42:57pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Yeah Mitt's going to try the you didn't build this to get a cheap shot in at Obama and Obama's going to remind him of a couple things 1) That he didn't actually say that and 2.) Mitt's own bragging about getting federal funds for the SLC winter Olympics.

I hope he also reminds Romney that he started out with money from his daddy, so he didn't do it all by himself, either.

95 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:43:35pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Yeah Mitt's going to try the you didn't build this to get a cheap shot in at Obama and Obama's going to remind him of a couple things 1) That he didn't actually say that and 2.) Mitt's own bragging about getting federal funds for the SLC winter Olympics.

I can imagine both Biden and Obama waiting for Mitt and Skippy to start with an anti-big-gubmint line, then counter by citing chapter and verse just how much gubmint money the both of them were all too ready to claim.

96 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:43:38pm

re: #88 HappyWarrior

Yeah Mitt's going to try the you didn't build this to get a cheap shot in at Obama and Obama's going to remind him of a couple things 1) That he didn't actually say that and 2.) Mitt's own bragging about getting federal funds for the SLC winter Olympics.

And the long list of investments that ultimately had to be bailed out by various governments before or after Bain got done using whatever wasn't bolted down as collateral and selling off everything else to the highest bidder.

97 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:43:55pm

I hate weird pic url titles.
Oh well.

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:44:03pm

re: #94 Sionainn

I hope he also reminds Romney that he started out with money from his daddy, so he didn't do it all by himself, either.

God I wish he would do that but he's not known to get personal like that but Mitt does needed remind of the fact that he wouldn't had the opportunities he had if not for Dad.

99 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:45:24pm

re: #95 makeitstop

I can imagine both Biden and Obama waiting for Mitt and Skippy to start with an anti-big-gubmint line, then counter by citing chapter and verse just how much gubmint money the both of them were all too ready to claim.

Romney: "The Stimulus was a failure."

Obama: "Which is why your running mate had no problem laying claim to as much money he could get his hands on, some of which went to his family's construction business."

Romney: "Hey, that's not fair!"

100 Lidane  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:48:26pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Romney: "The Stimulus was a failure."

Obama: "Which is why your running mate had no problem laying claim to as much money he could get his hands on, some of which went to his family's construction business."

Romney: "Hey, that's not fair!"

Alternatively:

Romney: "The Stimulus was a failure."

Obama: "Which is why your running mate voted for it. And for the auto bailouts."

Romney: "..."

Romney: "I'll bet you $10,000 right here, right now that our plan is better than yours."

101 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:48:56pm

re: #99 Targetpractice

Romney: "The Stimulus was a failure."

Obama: "Which is why your running mate had no problem laying claim to as much money he could get his hands on, some of which went to his family's construction business."

Romney: "Hey, that's not fair!"

I want him to be asked why he said let Detroit fail but then when Detroit recovered in large part to the same bailouts he deplored that he gave himself a big pat on the back.

102 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:51:04pm

re: #100 Lidane

Alternatively:

Romney: "The Stimulus was a failure."

Obama: "Which is why your running mate voted for it. And for the auto bailouts."

Romney: "..."

Romney: "I'll bet you $10,000 right here, right now that our plan is better than yours."

Ryan voted no on the stimulus but then turned around and sought millions from it.

103 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:52:14pm

re: #102 Gus

Ryan voted no on the stimulus but then turned around and sought millions from it.

Ah the old, I'll decry the stimulus but I want my district to have its money. More we see the more I can see why Romney chose Ryan because he's just as intellectually dishonest as Mitt himself is.

104 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:52:31pm

re: #101 HappyWarrior

I want him to be asked why he said let Detroit fail but then when Detroit recovered in large part to the same bailouts he deplored that he gave himself a big pat on the back.

And then watch him try to explain to the audience how he really meant he wanted it to go through a managed bankruptcy while ignoring that whole bit about how nobody in their right mind was willing to float GM and Chrysler the money needed to survive bankruptcy other than the federal government.

105 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:52:56pm

re: #103 HappyWarrior

Ah the old, I'll decry the stimulus but I want my district to have its money. More we see the more I can see why Romney chose Ryan because he's just as intellectually dishonest as Mitt himself is.

Yep. Just like Texas... Alaska.

106 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:53:44pm

Ryan sought funds while decrying stimulus

JANESVILLE, Wis. — In 2009, as Representative Paul Ryan was railing against President Obama’s $787 billion stimulus package as a “wasteful spending spree,” he wrote at least four letters to Obama’s secretary of energy asking that millions of dollars from the program be granted to a pair of Wisconsin conservation groups, according to documents obtained by The Globe.

The advocacy appeared to pay off; both groups were awarded the economic recovery funds — one receiving a $20 million grant to help thousands of local businesses and homes improve their energy efficiency, agency documents show.

Ryan’s letters to the energy secretary praising the energy initiatives as he sought a portion of the funding are in sharp contrast to the House Budget Committee chairman’s image as a Tea Party movement favorite adamantly opposed to federal spending on such programs.

Continues.

107 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:53:48pm

I can only assume that they are going to unveil some major, major arguments that the nation is sailing towards inescapable doom and peril and that only R&R can save it through budget austerity and tax cuts.

They will try to say that if they do not cut entitlement programs, there will be nothing at all left to pay out - unless we let R&R save America.

108 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:54:24pm

re: #106 Gus

Ryan sought funds while decrying stimulus

“I was pleased that the primary objectives of their project will allow residents and businesses in the partner cities to reduce their energy costs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and stimulate the local economy by creating new jobs,” Ryan wrote to Energy Secretary Steven Chu on Dec. 18, 2009, on behalf of the Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corporation.

109 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:54:46pm

“I was pleased that the primary objectives of their project will allow residents and businesses in the partner cities to reduce their energy costs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and stimulate the local economy by creating new jobs...”
-- Paul Ryan

110 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:55:48pm
...

On Oct. 5, 2009, he wrote a letter to Chu on behalf of the nonprofit Energy Center of Wisconsin, which was applying for a grant under the Recovery Act’s Geothermal Technologies Program. Under the grant program the center received a total of $240,000, according to its president, Frank Greb.

But the biggest payoff came for the Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corp. Ryan predicted the $20 million grant would be able to “create or retain approximately 7,600 new jobs over the three-year grant period and the subsequent three years.”

Yet in an interview with MSNBC two years later, Ryan again bashed the stimulus package. “All this temporary booster shot stimulus didn’t work in the stimulus package, didn’t work when the last administration tried these things, so we don’t want to go with ideas that have proven to fail. We want ideas that have proven to succeed,” he said in the interview in September 2011. “I think tax reform is the key.”

...

111 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 1:56:24pm

re: #107 Expand Your Ground

I can only assume that they are going to unveil some major, major arguments that the nation is sailing towards inescapable doom and peril and that only R&R can save it through budget austerity and tax cuts.

They will try to say that if they do not cut entitlement programs, there will be nothing at all left to pay out - unless we let R&R save America.

Funny thing is, I've already heard some wingnuts who don't even believe that, who are convinced there's no way to save those programs without dooming America, so it's better to throw millions to the wolves now so that "America can be saved."

112 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:01:17pm

And Pres. Obama announces new energy technology you can hold in your hand...
Image: 120814_obama_ap_605.jpg

Okay just kidding but what a great shot!

113 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:01:40pm

I'm just sitting here thinking of the myriad ways a smart dude like Obama can make a guy like Mitt look like a complete idiot.

All he has to do is let the guy talk, then use his rebuttal time pointing out how Romney is talking out of his ass.

This is going to be more fun than when O reduced Gramps McCain to sputtering about 'that one' on national TV.

114 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:02:39pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

Funny thing is, I've already heard some wingnuts who don't even believe that, who are convinced there's no way to save those programs without dooming America, so it's better to throw millions to the wolves now so that "America can be saved."

That has been a fundamental core belief of the Tea Party since its inception

115 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:02:43pm

re: #107 Expand Your Ground

I can only assume that they are going to unveil some major, major arguments that the nation is sailing towards inescapable doom and peril and that only R&R can save it through budget austerity and tax cuts.

They will try to say that if they do not cut entitlement programs, there will be nothing at all left to pay out - unless we let R&R save America.

well over a hundred other countries whose medical insurance systems are not facing imminent crisis?

their solutions are not even considered

116 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:04:35pm

re: #115 engineer cat

well over a hundred other countries whose medical insurance systems are not facing imminent crisis?

their solutions are not even considered

Because to consider a solution, first they'd have to admit there's a problem. But admitting there's a problem would be to acknowledge that Obama was right about a need for reform. So they keep blissfully telling themselves there's no problem, that the system works as intended, and if there's really a problem then it just needs "market based solutions."

117 nines09  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:05:47pm

re: #16 jaunte

“Our air was polluted, and we cleaned it up,” says Hamm. “Our rivers were polluted, and we cleaned them up."

The Gulf of Mexico? I'll have to get back to ya.

Then Hamm went on to say "As soon as we gut the EPA and Clean Air and Water Acts we can pollute again."

118 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:05:54pm

re: #112 Daniel Ballard

And Pres. Obama announces new energy technology you can hold in your hand...
Image: 120814_obama_ap_605.jpg

Okay just kidding but what a great shot!

Imma chargin mah lazor!

119 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:07:36pm

Wow. Obama's team are clearly not in any mood to play...

“I appreciate the faux outrage from the Romney campaign. But if you want to talk about the use of words, then take a look at MR’s stump speech where he basically calls the president ‘un-American,’” Cutter added.

Senior strategist David Axelrod also denounced the controversy, tweeting: “Enough phony outrage from Team Mitt, while they pour millions into ads that blatantly, brazenly lie about POTUS record on welfare to work.”

That's gonna leave a bruise. Heh.

120 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:07:40pm

re: #54 wrenchwench

Not much better when he smiles.

Image: hamm.jpeg

I like the subliminal message behind him.

Separated at birth?

121 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:07:50pm

So not only did Paul Ryan helped attain stimulus funding it was for "green energy" and to "help reduce greenhouse gases." He literally begged for it.

122 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:08:14pm

re: #112 Daniel Ballard

And Pres. Obama announces new energy technology you can hold in your hand...
Image: 120814_obama_ap_605.jpg

Okay just kidding but what a great shot!

Looks like he is about to cast "Dragon Slave" on something...
^_^

123 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:08:28pm

re: #121 Gus

So not only did Paul Ryan helped attain stimulus funding it was for "green energy" and to "help reduce greenhouse gases." He literally begged for it.

But he now feels bad about it and wouldn't do it again, he promises.

///

124 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:08:59pm

re: #115 engineer cat

well over a hundred other countries whose medical insurance systems are not facing imminent crisis?

their solutions are not even considered

It does not help that Europe is teetering on the brink of collapse, and that seems to be one of their arguments: Mitt was already comparing Califormia to Greece.

125 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:09:07pm

re: #112 Daniel Ballard

And Pres. Obama announces new energy technology you can hold in your hand...
Image: 120814_obama_ap_605.jpg

Okay just kidding but what a great shot!

"The power of the sun in the palm of my hand."

126 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:09:27pm

re: #121 Gus

So not only did Paul Ryan helped attain stimulus funding it was for "green energy" and to "help reduce greenhouse gases." He literally begged for it.

Well, he does have a history of begging...

127 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:13:23pm

Just wondering how to categorize the speech Christie will give at the RNC. If I think like a bookstore-

New Fiction maybe?

128 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:14:11pm

re: #126 makeitstop

Well, he does have a history of begging...

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Yeah well... Mitt Romney is running for president and not Paul Ryan!

129 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:18:44pm

re: #107 Expand Your Ground

I can only assume that they are going to unveil some major, major arguments that the nation is sailing towards inescapable doom and peril and that only R&R can save it through budget austerity and tax cuts.

They will try to say that if they do not cut entitlement programs, there will be nothing at all left to pay out - unless we let R&R save America.

the only way ryan's message can be accepted by the dittoheads is if they correctly translate "save medicare, medicaid, and social security" into "eliminate all social programs and institute the social darwinist society"

it's amusing to watch wingnut audiences who haven't figured this out yet react in puzzlement when ryan talks about how urgent it is to "save" medicare

130 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:18:53pm

Surprise, surprise...

131 gwangung  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:19:47pm

re: #124 Expand Your Ground

It does not help that Europe is teetering on the brink of collapse, and that seems to be one of their arguments: Mitt was already comparing Califormia to Greece.

Who says we're talking about Europe? Those socialist strongholds of South Korea and Singapore have medical systems with extensive government involvement.

132 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:20:09pm

re: #129 engineer cat

the only way ryan's message can be accepted by the dittoheads is if they correctly translate "save medicare, medicaid, and social security" into "eliminate all social programs and institute the social darwinist society"

How is it that people who reject Evolution embrace Social Darwinism?

133 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:21:58pm

re: #130 darthstar

Surprise, surprise...

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Crony capitalism!!

134 erik_t  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:22:00pm

re: #130 darthstar

Holy shit, Ryan's brother worked for Bain & Company

He didn't build that.

/

135 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:22:14pm

re: #130 darthstar

Surprise, surprise...

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Seems Ryan's got an entire conga line of skeletons marching out of his closet.

Congrats, TPers, you done gone and sunk your own battleship!

136 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:23:04pm

Surprise! Surprise!
-- Gomer

137 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:23:38pm

re: #133 Gus

Crony capitalism!!

It's just one big fist-fucking fiscal orgy with Romney and his friends.

138 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:23:51pm
139 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:24:37pm

re: #109 Gus

“I was pleased that the primary objectives of their project will allow residents and businesses in the partner cities to reduce their energy costs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and stimulate the local economy by creating new jobs...”
-- Paul Ryan

Whoopsie.

140 erik_t  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:25:11pm

re: #109 Gus

“I was pleased that the primary objectives of their project will allow residents and businesses in the partner cities to reduce their energy costs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and stimulate the local economy by creating new jobs...”
-- Paul Ryan

WHY DOES PAUL RYAN WANT TO STARVE MY PLANTS!!!1

141 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:26:10pm

re: #114 Expand Your Ground

That has been a fundamental core belief of the Tea Party since its inception

Interesting how none of them think they will be the throwees.

142 makeitstop  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:27:16pm

re: #130 darthstar

Surprise, surprise...

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Ain't that some incestuous little circle they've got going there....

143 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:27:52pm

The stupid thing about this kind of things this tycoon advocates is that it's only delaying the inevitable.

Fossil fuels are a FINITE RESOURCE. There's only so much of it on this planet to go around, once it's gone, it's gone. Considering we are already looking to drill through arctic ice sheets and deep oceans to maintain supplies, that suggests to me that we are gradually running the earth dry of crude oil. If greater supplies were more handily available in less risky areas, there'd be no need to drill through ice or thousands of feet of water in the first place.

Oil WILL run out. We need a plan for WHEN it does. Yes, that's WHEN not IF. IT WILL HAPPEN.

144 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:29:49pm
145 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:30:00pm

re: #143 dragonfire1981

The stupid thing about this kind of things this tycoon advocates is that it's only delaying the inevitable.

Fossil fuels are a FINITE RESOURCE. There's only so much of it on this planet to go around, once it's gone, it's gone. Considering we are already looking to drill through arctic ice sheets and deep oceans to maintain supplies, that suggests to me that we are gradually running the earth dry of crude oil. If greater supplies were more handily available in less risky areas, there'd be no need to drill through ice or thousands of feet of water in the first place.

Oil WILL run out. We need a plan for WHEN it does. Yes, that's WHEN not IF. IT WILL HAPPEN.

It's already happening, why do people think the price of oil has gone up? The speculators are betting on something that experts have been telling them for years: The easy to get to oil is drying up, most of what's left is only becoming viable now that the price of oil is rising. And the harder to reach stuff is in places that, surprise surprise, don't like us very much.

146 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:31:19pm

re: #143 dragonfire1981

It is a matter of ideology:

According to this ideology, fossil fuels = freedom, prosperity and free enterprise, solar, alternative and conservation = government interference and world government takeover.

For them, the choice is clear. And immune to logic.

147 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:31:27pm
148 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:32:20pm

re: #67 Lidane

Richard Viguerie: Paul Ryan’s Toughest Opponents Will Be Romney’s Liberal Staff

Conservatism - under assault from everyone and everywhere. //

149 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:33:08pm

re: #143 dragonfire1981

The stupid thing about this kind of things this tycoon advocates is that it's only delaying the inevitable.

Fossil fuels are a FINITE RESOURCE. There's only so much of it on this planet to go around, once it's gone, it's gone. Considering we are already looking to drill through arctic ice sheets and deep oceans to maintain supplies, that suggests to me that we are gradually running the earth dry of crude oil. If greater supplies were more handily available in less risky areas, there'd be no need to drill through ice or thousands of feet of water in the first place.

Oil WILL run out. We need a plan for WHEN it does. Yes, that's WHEN not IF. IT WILL HAPPEN.

Yep. They are oh-so-concerned about leaving our grandchildren in debt, but apparently don't have a problem with them not having any source of frickin' energy.

150 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:34:24pm

re: #119 makeitstop

Wow. Obama's team are clearly not in any mood to play...


That's gonna leave a bruise. Heh.

I sincerely severely believe that RomneyRyan should continue their campaign of whining. It's very becoming.

//

151 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:35:05pm

Uh oh! The howling of the BBC and NY Times haters shall commence!

Probably worse then the Alternet haters. ;)

152 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:36:28pm

re: #150 Bulworth

I sincerely severely believe that RomneyRyan should continue their campaign of whining. It's very becoming.

//

New motto of the R&R campaign?

153 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:37:25pm

re: #112 Daniel Ballard

And Pres. Obama announces new energy technology you can hold in your hand...
Image: 120814_obama_ap_605.jpg

Okay just kidding but what a great shot!

If Putin has his own jujutsu move, it's only fitting that the President of the United States develop an energy projection attack.

154 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:38:13pm

re: #147 dragonfire1981

Leader of anti-semitic group discovers he's Jewish

Oops.

Heh. I guess he can always get a job writing for Mondoweiss.

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:38:53pm

re: #17 Gus

• Harold Hamm
• Koch Brothers
• Sheldon Adelson
• Foster Friess

Quite the line-up of old fashioned railroad magnate types.

I think of Adelson as more a cleaned-up modern version of Bugsy Siegel.

156 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:38:54pm

Romney’s Liberal Staff

Last Two Living Members Of Tea Party Ex-Communicate Each Other From Conservative Movementre: #132 Expand Your Ground

How is it that people who reject Evolution embrace Social Darwinism?

because they're too lazy to understand either one

evolution means yer granpappy wuz a monkey and the bible sez the strongest should win

157 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:40:44pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Tea Party Nation: America Won't Elect Black President 'For a Generation or Two' Because of Obama

Whose fault was it all those previous generations we didn't elect a black president?

158 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:40:47pm

re: #119 makeitstop

Wow. Obama's team are clearly not in any mood to play...

That's gonna leave a bruise. Heh.

Romney: "Why isn't he apologizing? Democrats are supposed to spend the campaigns apologizing for whatever we accuse them of! I demand an apology for not apologizing!"

159 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:41:07pm

re: #97 Varek Raith

I hate weird pic url titles.
Oh well.

Why not just save a local copy, rename it to whatever you want, then upload it to LGF?

160 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:42:16pm

Bryan Fischer: Romney needs to be more like Paul Ryan if he wants to win

Mitt Romney’s pick of Paul Ryan to be his VP is a brilliant one if - and it’s a big if - he let’s Ryan be Ryan. If he tries to Palinize his VP choice like John McCain did in 2008, fuhgeddabout it. In that case, he might have done himself more harm than good.

The enthusiastic, Palin-esque reception Ryan has received everywhere he’s gone over the weekend is great for Romney. This is the very first time his campaign has generated any Tea Party energy at all, and Mitt needs to harness that energy and feed it. If he does, electoral victory is guaranteed on Nov. 6.

Ryan is generating the same kind of enthusiasm in the base that Chick-fil-A did. Romney blew a golden opportunity by pretending CFA does not exist, saying it’s “not a part of my campaign.” Here’s hoping he doesn’t make exactly the same mistake with Ryan.

161 BongCrodny  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:42:42pm

re: #144 Gus

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His last name wouldn't happen to be "Chappelle," would it?

162 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:43:16pm

Update:
Ecuador denies Assange asylum report

Some news sites were hacked today. I saw some false reports that Margaret Thatcher had died.

163 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:43:45pm
He makes no secret that he thinks more environmentally intensive oil drilling practices should be actively promoted and subsidized by the government.

SUBSIDIZED? SUBSIDIZED? Jesus Christ! Subsidize the world's 76th richest man's company? Jesus Christ!

I'm off to have a drink, I think.

164 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:43:50pm

re: #153 The Ghost of a Flea

If Putin has his own jujutsu move, it's only fitting that the President of the United States develop an energy projection attack.

HADOUKEN!!!

165 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:45:07pm

I have to stop responding to these wingnuts on Twitter and do something more productive, like banging my head against concrete.

166 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:45:29pm

Tea party billboard compares Obama to Osama bin Laden

A small group of protesters in Elkhart, Indiana gathered near a tea party billboard on Monday, decrying the political ad for comparing President Barack Obama to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden.

The billboard, paid for by a tea party group We the People of Marshall and Fulton County, says: “The Navy Seals removed one threat to America. The voters must remove the other.”

167 Sheila Broflovski  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:46:32pm

re: #166 Kragar

Tea party billboard compares Obama to Osama bin Laden

RWNJ refuse to acknowledge that POTUS had anything to do with removal of Osama, in any way, shape or form.

168 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:46:48pm

re: #160 Kragar

Please, Please Romney, let Ryan loose and let us see how fast his socon beliefs sink your campaign.

169 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:47:27pm

Romney Camp Accuses Biden Of Using Racial ‘Code Word’

The Romney campaign is sounding the alarm over some hyperbolic language Vice President Joe Biden used on the trail — language that Republicans have also used.

In a Tuesday campaign speech, Biden likened Wall Street’s grip on average Americans to chains. “Romney wants to let the — he said the first 100 days — he’s gonna let the big banks once again write their own rules. Unchain Wall Street,” Biden said at an event in Danville, Va. “They gonna put y’all back in chains.”

The Romney campaign called the comments a “new low” in a press release. Former New Hampshire Gov. John Sununu decried the remark, which he said have racial undertones.

“Well, there’s going to be folks across the country that will try and take that as some kind of code word that is going to suggest that the Republicans are trying to be racial in their programs,” Sununu said. “That’s ridiculous. “

But the chain analogy is used relatively often by members of both parties.

170 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:48:24pm

re: #160 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Romney needs to be more like Paul Ryan if he wants to win

Yet another admission from the wingnuts that the only way Mitt Romney can win is to be anybody other than Mitt Romney.

171 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:48:29pm

When David Bartons Attack...

So let me get this right. Barton says I have no basis to critique his claims about Jefferson because I am not trained as a historian. However, he can make moral judgments about me because of my position on a psychology related matter.

I know some will be taken in by this. I expect that. Barton says he is going to release rebuttals to our work bit by bit. Well, believe it or not, I welcome that. He made light of our work on his claim that Jefferson chose to include “in the year of our Lord Christ” in presidential documents. While he acknowledged that the form was pre-printed, he did not deal with the fact that the language was not chosen by Jefferson. And because the language was required by the treaty with Holland (as well as other treaties), the Congress could not simply change it.

However, I will say what I have said all along: If Mr. Barton has evidence to counter any of my posts, or aspects of the book, we would like to see it. Contrary to the conspiracy theories which animated Barton and Fischer today, we wrote this book because the evidence we examined did not support the claims. If we are wrong, we will say so.

172 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:48:59pm

This outta cause some butthurt.

173 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:49:19pm

re: #169 The Ghost of a Flea

Romney Camp Accuses Biden Of Using Racial ‘Code Word’

OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE!!!!11ty from a bunch of holier-than-thou hypocrites...what a surprise.

174 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:50:31pm

re: #172 Gus

This outta cause some butthurt.

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Last I checked, it was impossible to drive a car with an oil well on it, as long as Mitt wants to make those kinds of stupid comparisons.

175 erik_t  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:50:40pm

re: #169 The Ghost of a Flea

Romney Camp Accuses Biden Of Using Racial ‘Code Word’

And believe you me, Romney's campaign knows racial code words like the back of its hand.

176 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:53:08pm

re: #165 Learned Mother of Zion

I have to stop responding to these wingnuts on Twitter and do something more productive, like banging my head against concrete.

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How many cars could GM sell while it was being carved up in bankruptcy court?

177 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:54:01pm

re: #166 Kragar

Tea party billboard compares Obama to Osama bin Laden

Cowardly pieces of shit who bank on the cloak of anonymity that their little TPer group gives them as they basically called the President of the United States a terrorist by comparing him to OBL.

Fuck them.

178 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:54:44pm

re: #174 Kragar

Last I checked, it was impossible to drive a car with an oil well on it, as long as Mitt wants to make those kinds of stupid comparisons.

Only one way to find out...
BRB.
/

179 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:55:44pm

Women challenge Islamists over equality

Thousands of Tunisians have demonstrated in the capital for women's rights in the biggest show of force by the opposition since April as the Islamist-led government faces growing dissent.

Two demonstrations on Monday, one authorised and the other not, were held to support the withdrawal of a planned article in the constitution backed by the Islamists that refers to ''complementarity'' and not equality of the sexes.

Thousands assembled opposite the parliament building in Tunis after the breaking of the Ramadan fast, while several hundred defied a ban to gather on the main city centre, Habib Bourguiba Avenue. Another demonstration was attended by about 1000 people in Sfax, 260 kilometres south of the capital.

The gatherings in Tunis were the biggest by the opposition movement since a banned march was violently broken up on Habib Bourguiba Avenue in April.
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The demonstrators, mobilised by feminist groups, human rights and opposition organisations, were celebrating the anniversary of the promulgation of the Personal Status Code in 1956 under Tunisia's first president, Habib Bourguiba.

Tunisian women are rising up against the proposed article in the new constitution, seen by many as an Islamist ploy to reverse the principle of gender equality that made Tunisia a beacon of modernity in the Arab world when it was introduced nearly six decades ago.

180 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:57:01pm

re: #175 erik_t

And believe you me, Romney's campaign knows racial code words like the black of its hand.

Sorry, couldn't resist

181 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:58:04pm

re: #178 Varek Raith

Only one way to find out...
BRB.
/

VAREK!!! NO!!!

Image: 8UBvr_44VEWe_-NjkUPBhQ2.gif

182 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:59:25pm

re: #181 Kragar

VAREK!!! NO!!!

Image: 8UBvr_44VEWe_-NjkUPBhQ2.gif

So I may have shown the sand people where it was....
Big whoop.
:P

183 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 2:59:32pm

Off-camera, over three dozen GOP pros complain that Romney has ceded the election in picking Ryan.

In more than three dozen interviews with Republican strategists and campaign operatives — old hands and rising next-generation conservatives alike — the most common reactions to Ryan ranged from gnawing apprehension to hair-on-fire anger that Romney has practically ceded the election.
It is not that the public professions of excitement about the Ryan selection are totally insincere. It is that many of the most optimistic Republican operatives will privately acknowledge that their views are being shaped more by fingers-crossed hope than by a hard-headed appraisal of what’s most likely to happen.

184 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:01:18pm

This is from the website of the company that Paul Ryan got 20 million in stimulus funds for sometimes in 2009:

WECC helps customers install renewable energy options at their homes and businesses utilizing a variety of renewable energy technologies. Technologies we promote through current programs include:

• Photovoltaic systems
• Solar water heating
• Customer-scale wind turbines
• Wood and other biomass systems for non-residential customers
• Anaerobic digesters

185 JamesWI  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:02:31pm

re: #102 Gus

Ryan voted no on the stimulus but then turned around and sought millions from it.

He voted against Obama's stimulus in 2009, but he voted for Bush's $152 billion stimulus bill in 2008 (HR 5140). I guess in that time he was born again, and had nothing to do with the President's political party.

186 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:04:15pm
187 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:04:17pm

re: #183 darthstar

Off-camera, over three dozen GOP pros complain that Romney has ceded the election in picking Ryan.

Translation: They know Ryan was a mistake and that Romney's chance of winning went from slim to a crapshoot.

188 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:05:20pm

re: #187 Targetpractice

Translation: They know Ryan was a mistake and that Romney's chance of winning went from slim to a crapshoot.

If they were smart, they'd say it ON camera and encourage their candidate to pull his head out of Ryan's ass.

189 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:07:30pm

Family Research Council presses marriage in GOP platform

I received a disturbing letter in the mail from the Republican National Committee recently. Maybe you did too.

They sent folks a survey, to fill out on the issues of the day.

Missing from the survey were questions on marriage.

Nothing..... Not one question.

The Democratic party will officially codify language in their platform endorsing same-sex marriage, at their September convention. The Defense of Marriage Act is under attack The current Democrat President refuses to defend the law in the courts.

The pro-marriage side continues to win in state after state when referendums are placed on the ballot, but the Republican Party doesn't want to talk about it?

That's why FRC Action's participation in the Republican National Convention platform meetings next week is vital.

190 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:07:45pm

re: #188 darthstar

If they were smart, they'd say it ON camera and encourage their candidate to pull his head out of Ryan's ass.

But they can't, because at this point, that would just piss off the base while gaining little ground with indies, while raising the big question: "Why did you select this dipshit if you don't have any common ground?"

191 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:08:49pm

re: #188 darthstar

If they were smart, they'd say it ON camera and encourage their candidate to pull his head out of Ryan's ass.

They'll just blame the librul media.

192 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:09:18pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

But they can't, because at this point, that would just piss off the base while gaining little ground with indies, while raising the big question: "Why did you select this dipshit if you don't have any common ground?"

It could save a few asses down ticket. And really, that's what they should be concerned about, though I'm perfectly happy to see a bunch of these teabaggers get kicked to the curb.

193 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:09:51pm

re: #188 darthstar

If they were smart, they'd say it ON camera and encourage their candidate to pull his head out of Ryan's ass.

So, R/R likes a little mutual manual, eh?

///

194 allegro  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:10:51pm

re: #189 Kragar

Family Research Council presses marriage in GOP platform

Busy Bodies R Us

The world would be such a better place if these people who are obsessed with other people's lives got their own.

195 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:11:55pm

re: #192 darthstar

It could save a few asses down ticket. And really, that's what they should be concerned about, though I'm perfectly happy to see a bunch of these teabaggers get kicked to the curb.

Which, I think, really is the big concern right now for both sides of the aisle. Even if you think Obama's chances of winning are pretty solid, there are plenty of Congressional races that are still up in the air. No telling how many races that the GOP could lose in November now.

196 Kragar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:14:08pm

FBI Agent: Deadly Riot In Corporate-Run Prison Due To Complaints Of Inadequate Food And Health Care

A deadly riot in a privately-run Mississippi detention center was sparked in protest of poor food and medical care, according to an FBI agent’s affidavit. The riot, which killed one guard in May, was at the time chalked up to gang violence. But the group of Mexican immigrants leading the riot, called the Paisas, had no ties to gangs and reportedly ordered other inmates to disobey orders from prison staff until their list of grievances had been addressed.

The protest soon got out of control, with inmates taking hostages and inflicting more than $1.3 million worth of damage on the prison. Correction officer Catlin Carithers was beaten to death, while 20 others were injured.

The prison, Adams County Correctional Facility in Natchez, Mississippi, is run by Corrections Corporations of America (CCA), one of the biggest for-profit incarceration companies in the nation. CCA is notorious for cutting corners by understaffing facilities, charging inmates $5 a minute for phone calls, and using prison labor as a maintenance staff for $1 a day. The Adams County detention center, according to its inmates, was no different.

197 God of Binders with Women  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:15:50pm

Paul Rand is being interviewed by Hume on Fox News. His take on Ayn Rand is pretty funny as he quickly added how much he disagreed with her atheism (as to not have to answer to the RWNJ zealots.) I will give this guy credit for bringing the coming fiscal Apocalypse to the forefront, but I will still label him "douche" for not offering a logical solution. You can not possibly say with any credibility that the current state of affairs can be continued without increasing taxes. David Stockman is right- the anti-tax zealots have had the balls of the GOP since Reagan. Read: [Link: www.nytimes.com...]

198 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:17:15pm

re: #197 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

Ryan. ;)

199 God of Binders with Women  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18:07pm

re: #198 Gus

Ryan. ;)

Some Lizard glossed him Rand the other day, and I'm going to keep using it because it makes me laugh every time I type it.

200 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18:22pm
201 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:18:56pm

re: #199 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

Some Lizard glossed him Rand the other day, and I'm going to keep using it because it makes me laugh every time I type it.

Ron Paul Rand Ryan... something.

202 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:24:18pm
203 God of Binders with Women  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:25:37pm

re: #202 Gus

What a fucking assclown. Is there any further proof necessary that we are fucked as a country?

204 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:25:47pm

re: #201 Gus

Ron Paul Rand Ryan... something.

ayn

said gummenor rick scott walker bush

205 God of Binders with Women  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:26:10pm

re: #204 engineer cat

LOL

206 JamesWI  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:26:41pm

re: #189 Kragar

Family Research Council presses marriage in GOP platform

Ah, the Family Research Council. My lasting memory of them was when I was a kid, and they were focused on taking out the WWF/WWE. It was hilarious. I think they wound up having to pay millions of dollars and publicly apologize to Vince McMahon for libel or defamation or something.

And now McMahon's wife is a Republican politician, teaming up with these pro-censorship ass-hats.....

207 blueraven  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:27:24pm

I thought Ryan was really flailing in the Brit Hume interview. At least this first part. it was surprisingly tough.

208 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:28:07pm

re: #204 engineer cat

ayn

said gummenor rick scott walker bush

Ron Paul Ayn Rand Ryan

209 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:28:24pm

I love it when he's wonky.

210 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:29:38pm

re: #203 Summer Lovin' Torture Party

What a fucking assclown. Is there any further proof necessary that we are fucked as a country?

Shorter Paul Ryan: I have no idea what I'm talking about, but everyone says I do.

211 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:30:05pm

OT, but this totally sucks. Those who serve in the Military/Law Enforcement aren't the only ones who pay the ultimate price while serving their fellow man.

Idaho firefighter killed by falling tree was a college student

She was only 20 yrs old.

212 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:30:10pm

re: #202 Gus

[Embedded content]

Come on, Paul, show us all the learnin' that went into that B.A. in Economics from Miami in Ohio.

//

213 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:30:32pm

re: #208 Gus

Ron Paul Ayn Rand Ryan

(sings)

"but they're cousins, identical cousins and you'll find..."

214 Gus  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:31:41pm

Fmr. Florida GOP Party Chair: We Sought to Suppress Black and Latino Voters

In a series of stunning public confirmations regarding the Florida Republican Party, minorities and new voter ID laws, former GOP party Chairman Jim Greer confirmed that party strategists met on voter registration strategies with the intent to suppress Blacks and Latinos from voting in Florida.

The former Florida GOP Chairman said, “There’s no doubt that what the Republican led legislature in Florida and Governor Scott are trying to do is make sure the Republican party has an advantage in this upcoming election by reducing early voting and putting roadblocks up for potential voters, Latinos, African Americans to register and then to exercise their right to vote. There’s no doubt. I was in the room. It’s part of the strategy.”

Greer made the revealing confirmations last night on live television during an interview with Rev. Al Sharpton on his MSNBC show Politics Nation. His revelations were first revealed in a deposition in late July but yesterday was the first time he spoke on the matter on national television.

Continues.

I think we touched on this before? Anyway. Here it is again. More of that good old fashioned voter suppression that some are blowing off as a "conspiracy."

215 darthstar  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:32:13pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

Come on, Paul, show us all the learnin' that went into that B.A. in Economics from Miami in Ohio.

//

So we've moved from a GOP VP candidate in 2008 with a possible BA in Comm Studies to one with a BA in Econ?

216 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:35:52pm

re: #214 Gus

Fmr. Florida GOP Party Chair: We Sought to Suppress Black and Latino Voters

I think we touched on this before? Anyway. Here it is again. More of that good old fashioned voter suppression that some are blowing off as a "conspiracy."

And the response from the GOP and wingnuts will either be A) that he's a disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind or B) he's really a closet Democrat who is trying to make Republicans look bad.

217 Only The Lurker Knows  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:37:33pm

re: #216 Targetpractice

And the response from the GOP and wingnuts will either be A) that he's a disgruntled former employee with an axe to grind or B) he's really a closet Democrat who is trying to make Republicans look bad. or C. All the Above

FTFY.

218 engineer cat  Tue, Aug 14, 2012 3:38:37pm

re: #210 darthstar

Shorter Paul Ryan: I have no idea what I'm talking about, but everyone says I do.

back to krugman's take on the gingrich...


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