Sen. Rand Paul: A Fan of Conspiracy Wacko Alex Jones

Libertarian nut enjoys anti-government conspiracy theories
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One of the amazing things about the rise of the far right (and not in a good way) has been the concomitant rise of conspiracy peddler Alex Jones, and today an elected United States Senator, Rand Paul, revealed that he’s a reader of the twisted dishonest rubbish Jones disseminates: Senator Rand Paul Touts False Claim From ‘9/11 Truth’ Conspiracy Site.

Senator Rand Paul (R-KY) is no stranger to extreme positions or conspiratorial thinking. But Paul sunk to a new low last night, using his Senate Twitter account to promote a false report from one of the world’s most noxious conspiracy websites.
Paul appeared amused by an article on infowars.com suggesting the National Weather Service is stockpiling ammunition.

This story is false (a point that Business Insider, who also linked to the story, should correct). In reality, the ammunition was ordered by the NOAA Fisheries Office of Law Enforcement, but a clerical error in the paperwork indicated otherwise. Worse, the article that Paul linked to was published on the homepage of what the Anti-Defamation League calls “The Conspiracy King.”

Rand’s father Ron Paul is a frequent guest on the Alex Jones show, so this really shouldn’t surprise anyone — but it’s seriously bad craziness just the same.

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255 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:08:34am

Forget Aqua Buddha. I want to know if Rand believes in the Reptilians.

2 AK-47%  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:09:47am

Or the Lemuians

3 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:11:20am

Rand, attempting to scare people with scary details of scary firearms which are scary (hollow-points in this case) is unlikely to be a winner among your base.

Just sayin'.

4 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:12:43am

Maybe Rand is a fish poacher and this actually does make him uneasy.

5 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:12:44am

Speaking of conspiracy theories... don't look now but...

Republican Party Officially Embraces ‘Garbage’ Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theories As Its National Platform

6 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:13:00am

Its perfectly understandable once you take into account the fact that they are complete fucking idiots.

7 nines09  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:13:10am

Where do you think this batch of GOP/TP hacks gets it's information?

8 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:13:53am

Maybe Aqua Buddha is the patron saint of dolphin anglers.

9 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:14:18am

re: #5 Gus

Speaking of conspiracy theories... don't look now but...

Republican Party Officially Embraces ‘Garbage’ Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theories As Its National Platform

Happened in January. Here it is: RNC Adopts Resolution Exposing Agenda 21

10 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:15:52am

Buster Wilson Repeats False Claim that the National Weather Service is Buying Ammunition

11 jaunte  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:16:12am

It's just Rand ("A free society will abide unofficial, private discrimination even when that means allowing hate-filled groups to exclude people based on the color of their skin") Paul, tootling a little tune on the dangerousblackpresident dog whistle.

12 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:17:59am

The Republican Party is getting crazier by the minute. The scary part is that it's not just a party but represents the thinking of roughly one-half of America. This my friends is America and it's loco.

13 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:18:31am

He forgot to mention kidnapping and lynchings

14 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:19:00am

Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that the National Weather Service is coming to oppress you?

Words honestly fail me. Several levels stupider than black helicopters.

15 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:19:13am

re: #10 Kragar

Buster Wilson Repeats False Claim that the National Weather Service is Buying Ammunition

[Embedded content]

Don't worry, Bryan, they intend to use it for protection from bears while they patrol the Yellowstone creeks.

16 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:19:54am

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

Don't worry, Bryan, they intend to use it for protection from bears while they patrol the Yellowstone creeks.

Let the bears pay the bear tax! Bryan pays the Grover Tax!

17 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:20:21am

re: #14 erik_t

That's right. The NWS uses weather satellites to control the weather and make you think that there's climate change.

18 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:20:30am

re: #14 erik_t

Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that the National Weather Service is coming to oppress you?

Words honestly fail me. Several levels stupider than black helicopters.

Their assault teams are preparing to round up climate change deniers as we speak.

19 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:21:38am

re: #14 erik_t

They keep saying its going to rain and then it doesn't. You know how those fuckers lie!

20 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:22:03am

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

THIS MAN IS COMING TO TAKE UR GUNZ OR WHATEVER. LOOK AT THE SINISTERNESS!

21 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:22:05am

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

I WISH!

22 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:22:28am

re: #17 lawhawk

Yep. They're working alongside the United Nations and kids with glasses.

//

23 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:22:52am

Big Global Warming is armed and coming to get your guns! (With the help of the Government and Liberals.) BOOGA BOOGA
///

(Sheesh)

24 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:23:17am

re: #20 erik_t

Evil!!! PURE AND SIMPLE, by way of the Eighth Dimension!

25 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:23:21am

Hahaha!
Idiots.

26 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:23:57am

Agenda 21!!!

27 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:24:25am

re: #26 Gus

Agenda 21!!!

SPECTRE!

28 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:24:51am

re: #14 erik_t

Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that the National Weather Service is coming to oppress you?

Words honestly fail me. Several levels stupider than black helicopters.

Wild ass guess? They think the NWS is a cover for yet another covert spy agency, thinking that those weather satellites are actually surveillance sats.

29 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:25:27am

i thought dum-dums were illegal

30 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:25:37am
Everybody talks about the weather, but nobody does anything about it.

(Attributed to Mark Twain, 1889. But see here.)

BUT THAT WAS THEN, BUWAAHAAAHAA!
-liberal NWS operative, 2012

31 jaunte  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:25:47am

"They're in the water! They're coming out of the faucets!!"

32 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:26:03am

Apparently criticizing David Barton is just as bad as the Holocaust

Hitler loved to give “examples” of Jewish “offenses” to support his effort to annihilate the Jewish people. Not only were they most often false “offenses,” even if they had all been true it would not have supported the conclusion that the entire race should be wiped out. Any intelligent observer of today’s debate must challenge the premises presented and make sure that the “facts” of the critics support the conclusion they want you to believe. In every accusation I have seen so far in this debate, no premise or conclusion of David Barton has been proven faulty.

33 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:26:15am

re: #28 Targetpractice

Wild ass guess? They think the NWS is a cover for yet another covert spy agency, thinking that those weather satellites are actually surveillance sats.

And we tangentially fall into the mental trap of government agencies which on the one hand are incompetent, wasteful, inept, and altogether stupid, but on the other hand are sinister, duplicitous masterminds.

But never you mind that. HOLLOWPOINTS!

34 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:27:50am

The right wing believes in the unlimited right to possess lethal ammunition, just not for the police.

35 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:28:01am

re: #29 engineer cat

i thought dum-dums were illegal

Only according to the Hague Convention. They're otherwise not uncommon.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:32:20am

We now know the bad-ass guard's name.

UPDATE: Leo Johnson is the name of the man shot. He is the head guard at FRC and by all accounts “beloved” by staff. Friends there stress that the motive is not known but the suspect is in custody.

38 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:33:31am

Something else for Bryan Fischer to worry about:

Bears Discover Fire

Of course, this is a work of fiction but so is most of the stuff Bryan pretends to believe.

39 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:34:38am

Fox News (and only Fox so far) is reporting the shooting might be related to Chick-Fil-A
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

The suspect "made statements regarding their policies, and then opened fire with a gun striking a security guard," a source told Fox News. WJLA-TV7 reported the suspect was also shot. Sources also said the gunman may have been carrying a bag from Chick-fil-A, the embattled fast-food restaurant whose president came under fire from gay activists after he said he did not agree with same-sex marriage.

Sources told Fox New that after guard took away his gun, the suspect said, "Don't shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for."

Authorities were treating the attack as a case of domestic terrorism, although James McJunkin, the head of the FBI’s Washington Field Office, said authorities do not yet know the gunman's motive.

40 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:35:23am

An anonymous source from Fox is worth less than a fart in a hurricane.

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:36:03am

re: #29 engineer cat

i thought dum-dums were illegal

Only under the rules of war and only by soldiers.

42 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:36:33am

re: #40 Kragar

An anonymous source from Fox is worth less than a fart in a hurricane.

48 hour rule applies.

43 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:36:46am

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Fox News (and only Fox so far) is reporting the shooting might be related to Chick-Fil-A
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

He could have gone to BK instead of on a shooting rampage. It would be more effective and would leave him free to work on his "issues."

44 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:39:41am

The fast food wars are heating up, A LOT.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

45 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:40:37am

re: #44 Shiplord Kirel

The fast food wars are heating up, A LOT.

(Sorry, couldn't resist)

Invest in Taco Bell now.

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:41:02am

re: #42 NJDhockeyfan

48 hour rule applies.

Agreed. CNN is now reporting that political statements were made. I think this is the first no-Fox source on this.
Shooting wounds guard at Family Research Council

(CNN) -- A shooting in the lobby of the conservative Family Research Council in Washington wounded a security guard Wednesday, investigators said.

The suspect, who the FBI said was in custody, made some comments about the organization before he allegedly opened fire, a law enforcement official said. The official had no details on the specific remarks.

Officials are interviewing the injured guard and others, the official said, describing the suspect as being in his late 20s.

47 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:41:51am
Mad a/b the weather or bad forecasts? I wouldn’t complain, Nat’l Weather Svc just ordered 46k hollow-point bullets bit.ly/NAd071

Huh? derp

48 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:43:09am
FRC shooting: way conservatives approach policy differences: ballots, not bullets;

Except for teabag "2nd Amendment Remedies".

49 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:43:50am

I don't care what statements this lunatic made. The FRC is still a hate group and Chick-Fil-A still sucks. End of story.

50 blueraven  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:43:59am

re: #48 Bulworth

Except for teabag "2nd Amendment Remedies".

And Dr Tiller.

51 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:44:41am
FRC shooting: way conservatives approach policy differences: ballots, not bullets;

Except for taking the ballots away via "voter ID" or special early voting for Repubs measures and other voting obstruction practices.

52 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:46:43am

re: #3 erik_t

Rand, attempting to scare people with scary details of scary firearms which are scary (hollow-points in this case) is unlikely to be a winner among your base.

Just sayin'.

Only teabaggers are supposed to have guns and amo. //

53 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:47:36am

Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks

Police say a man accidentally shot himself in the buttocks at a Nevada movie theater during a showing of “The Bourne Legacy.”

The moviegoer was at the Century 14 theater Tuesday night when a gunshot rang out.

After receiving several calls reporting seven to eight shots, police in Sparks, Nev., dispatched police units as well as fire and medical crews only to find out one shot was fired by accident.

Witnesses inside the theater told officers the gun fell from the man’s pocket as he was adjusting himself in the seat, and it fired when it dropped to the floor, striking him in the buttocks.

The 56-year-old man then reportedly stood up, apologized to those around him and left the theater before police arrived. He checked himself into a nearby VA hospital in Reno, where he was treated for a gunshot wound to his buttocks, according to a police report. His injury is not considered to be life-threatening.

54 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:47:37am

FRC shooting: way conservatives approach policy differences: ballots restricting voting rights, not bullets;

55 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:47:41am

I like how Rand Paul has the position that the Federal Government has no constitutional power to regulate air traffic or operate the TSA because the Constitution does not mention airplanes.

56 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:48:25am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks

Poetic.

57 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:48:29am
Mad a/b the weather or bad forecasts? I wouldn’t complain, Nat’l Weather Svc just ordered 46k hollow-point bullets bit.ly/NAd071

— Senator Rand Paul (@SenRandPaul) August 14, 2012

Of course. Brilliant. Who would suspect the commie NWS? The 46k hollow point bullets are for rounding up all the teabags for those FEMA trailer camps. //

58 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:48:32am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks

an armed society is a society with bullet wounds in its ass

59 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:49:26am

WTF!?!?

It's pathetic to read all the comments turning this into a political story. Face it, some asshole shot a guard, period.

60 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:51:41am

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks

Seeing as it was pure luck that the stray bullet didn't kill someone around him, I hope this idiot is charged with reckless endangerment or something similar and he is banned from ever having a CCW permit. We shouldn't just laugh it off because he shot himself in the arse.

61 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:52:49am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

WTF!?!?

It's pathetic to read all the comments turning this into a political story. Face it, some asshole shot a guard, period.

There are a zillion potential explanations for a motive so why even speculate. It will all come out soon enough.

62 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:53:35am

re: #15 Shiplord Kirel

Don't worry, Bryan, they intend to use it for protection from bears while they patrol the Yellowstone creeks.

Someone let Bryan know that those bears aren't even American citizens, and most don't speak English. Then we'll see if he changes his tune.

63 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:54:13am

Yikes! Just thought of something.
If this really is about Chick-fil-A, even peripherally, I'm just glad the nut went to FRC, where there were armed guards waiting, instead of shooting up one of the presumably vulnerable restaurants.

64 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:54:23am

Am I the only one who automatically hears Forrest Gump when I read the word 'buttocks?'

65 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:55:07am

re: #61 Mich-again

There are a zillion potential explanations for a motive so why even speculate. It will all come out soon enough.

Sure is. In no time the political blame game went out. Dumb dumb dumb. People need to grow up.

66 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:55:59am

re: #63 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! Just thought of something.
If this really is about Chick-fil-A, even peripherally, I'm just glad the nut went to FRC, where there were armed guards waiting, instead of shooting up one of the presumably vulnerable restaurants.

I don't know if that guard was armed but he tackled that SOB in no time.

67 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:59:17am

Good thing this guy was caught in time.

UCI professor fantasized about Columbine, Aurora shootings

A UC Irvine professor who allegedly typed up detailed emails about shooting students at the high school his son attended was consumed with fantasies about the Colorado shooting massacres at Columbine and -- more recently -- the Aurora movie theater, a prosecutor said Wednesday.

"This is a man ready to check out on life," Orange County Deputy Dist. Atty. Andrew Katz said Wednesday in Orange County Superior Court, where Rainer Reinscheid appeared.

Reinscheid, who is charged with setting a series of fires, including several in the Irvine park where his 14-year-old son killed himself, pleaded not guilty. Judge Karen L Robinson ordered him to be held without bail.

Though he has not been charged in connection with the emails, prosecutors contend the notes were more than just idle threats.

...In his emails, Reinscheid allegedly said he planned to use machine guns to kill the assistant principal and shoot hundreds of students. He also allegedly threatened to burn the school to the ground and then commit suicide in the same spot where his son died.

When he was arrested, police said, he was typing up his will.

Yikes!

68 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:59:49am

re: #14 erik_t

Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that the National Weather Service is coming to oppress you?

Words honestly fail me. Several levels stupider than black helicopters.

Meteorologists are fanatics. Every last one of them.

69 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:02:36pm

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

WTF!?!?

It's pathetic to read all the comments turning this into a political story. Face it, some asshole shot a guard, period.

It very important to establish that this shooting means that all liberals are potentially violent. That's the narrative that's being set up. It's why there so many RW nuts "excited" about this shooting--it's giving them something solid on which to reinforce a narrative. There's no logical consistency involved...the same people would not apply the same lens to Dr Tiller's murderer...it's pure opportunism.

70 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:03:26pm

re: #60 Mich-again

Seeing as it was pure luck that the stray bullet didn't kill someone around him, I hope this idiot is charged with reckless endangerment or something similar and he is banned from ever having a CCW permit. We shouldn't just laugh it off because he shot himself in the arse.

You have to admit its pretty funny.

71 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:04:21pm

re: #39 Killgore Trout

Fox News (and only Fox so far) is reporting the shooting might be related to Chick-Fil-A
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Sources told Fox New that after guard took away his gun, the suspect said, "Don't shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for."

You can't reason with a crazy person, but seriously, dude, telling him it wasn't about him, and asking him not to shoot you, after YOU shot HIM seems fairly chutzpahdik.

72 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:05:28pm

re: #14 erik_t

Seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to believe that the National Weather Service is coming to oppress you?

Words honestly fail me. Several levels stupider than black helicopters.

They probably think NOAA is getting ready to round up Global Warming "skeptics" and put them in reeducation camps.

Next on Infowars.com...

73 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:05:28pm

re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea

It very important to establish that this shooting means that all liberals are potentially violent. That's the narrative that's being set up. It's why there so many RW nuts "excited" about this shooting--it's giving them something solid on which to reinforce a narrative. There's no logical consistency involved...the same people would not apply the same lens to Dr Tiller's murderer...it's pure opportunism.

That's what I'm talking about. We have have zero information about the shooter and here you are going on and on about the right. Thanks for proving my point.

74 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:06:26pm

Thanks Rand, that's another black eye for Kentucky after two creationist kooks in the State Senate yesterday asked the ACT testing company to create a speshul cretinist test for the state. Gaah!

75 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:06:53pm

Wow...there are LITERALLY dozens of people at the POTUS/FLOTUS event in Iowa...

76 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:06:55pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

Sources told Fox New that after guard took away his gun, the suspect said, "Don't shoot me, it was not about you, it was what this place stands for."

You can't reason with a crazy person, but seriously, dude, telling him it wasn't about him, and asking him not to shoot you, after YOU shot HIM seems fairly chutzpahdik.

When the predator becomes the prey that survival instinct kicks in really quick.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:07:18pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

Man drops gun in movie theater, shooting self in buttocks

Everyone in the theater must have been scared to death, but I can't stop laughing.

It was good of him to apologize.

78 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:08:19pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

That's what I'm talking about. We have have zero information about the shooter and here you are going on and on about the right. Thanks for proving my point.

We have a lot of information about what the right is saying just now.

79 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:08:25pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Everyone in the theater must have been scared to death, but I can't stop laughing.

It was good of him to apologize.

Looks like nobody noticed.

Police say there was no panic in the theater and that only five people reported hearing the gunshot out of the approximately 30 people in the audience. No one else on the scene was injured.

Heh.

80 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:09:32pm

re: #78 Shiplord Kirel

We have a lot of information about what the right is saying just now.

The left is saying a bunch of stupid shit too. Who cares? Both sides have nitwits who talk out of their ass.

81 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:09:45pm

OT: Angry, desperate president is angry and desperate.

Youtube Video

What hatefulness. Obama should apologize this second.

///

82 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:10:12pm

re: #64 makeitstop

Am I the only one who automatically hears Forrest Gump when I read the word 'buttocks?'

I think of Adrian Monk, and the photocopy of someone's Caucasian buttocks.

83 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:11:11pm

Went ahead and paged: Wallbuilders: Criticizing David Barton is just as bad as the Holocaust

84 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:11:18pm

Of course the National Weather Service ordered 46,000 rounds of ammo...Winter is coming.
/thrones

85 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:12:03pm

re: #84 darthstar

Of course the National Weather Service ordered 46,000 rounds of ammo...Winter is coming.
/thrones

Snowman season is coming.

86 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:12:18pm

re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Paul Reubens in Mystery Men. "I CAN'T FEEL MY ASS!"

87 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:12:52pm

Yeah. Thank goodness the right wing isn't politicizing the FRC shooting...

Gabriel Malor ‏@gabrielmalor
I'm sure @SPLCenter will be reevaluating its violent hate rhetoric in light of the #FRC shooting. Aaaaany minute now....

3h Jon G. Jon G. ‏@ExJon
FRC shooting is another reminder that the #NOH8 crowd isn't against hate at all -- they just want you to hate different people.

41m Michelle Malkin Michelle Malkin ‏@michellemalkin
Romney issues statement on #FRCshooting. White House? Not so much==> [Link: twitchy......]

46m Katie Pavlich Katie Pavlich ‏@KatiePavlich
Hi @CNN, why aren't you covering the shooting in DC today against the conservative FRC? Doesn't fit your narrative of "right wing hate?"

1h Kevin Eder Kevin Eder ‏@keder
Obama on June 13, 2008: "If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun." Aug 15, 2012: Shooting at FRC. Why is Obama stoking violence?

1h Jim Treacher Jim Treacher ‏@jtLOL
.@CNN is too busy to cover the FRC shooting, because Ann Romney might be wearing a blouse that costs almost as much as one of Michelle's

88 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:13:05pm

re: #81 makeitstop

OT: Angry, desperate president is angry and desperate.

[Embedded content]

What hatefulness. Obama should apologize this second.

///

Speaking to the actual "little old lady in Dubuque" no less. Good show.

89 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:13:52pm

re: #87 Gus

Shh. You're raining on NJDF's narrative.

90 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:14:56pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

That's what I'm talking about. We have have zero information about the shooter and here you are going on and on about the right. Thanks for proving my point.

1. I didn't say anything about "the right" as a generalization. I actually have a pretty good record of using the term "RW nuts" to refer only to the nuts, not as a sweeping term.

2. I'm was confirming your point by saying that what's being put out is opportunistic and cynical. Frankly what I have seen is what's been reposted on this board, from Michelle Malkin, the FRC, and Dana Loesch.

91 gwangung  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:14:57pm

re: #73 NJDhockeyfan

That's what I'm talking about. We have have zero information about the shooter and here you are going on and on about the right. Thanks for proving my point.

Given that people are reacting off of Twitter feeds (which is NOT zero information), I think the opposite. Going on and on about WHAT THE RIGHT HAS ACTUALLY SAID is actually quite fair.

92 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:15:25pm

re: #89 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Shh. You're raining on NJDF's narrative.

This one here is the biggest idiot:

1h Kevin Eder Kevin Eder ‏@keder
Obama on June 13, 2008: "If they bring a knife to a fight, we bring a gun." Aug 15, 2012: Shooting at FRC. Why is Obama stoking violence?

Right now they're mostly whining about Obama not making a statement.

93 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:15:30pm

re: #87 Gus

CNN has reported the story, so what are they talking about?

94 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:15:45pm

re: #87 Gus

Yeah. Thank goodness the right wing isn't politicizing the FRC shooting...

I never said they weren't. The left is doing the same thing. Big fucking deal. I thought we here at LGF were above that nonsense.

95 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:16:41pm

re: #92 Gus

This one here is the biggest idiot:

Right now they're mostly whining about Obama not making a statement.

He seriously cited an Obama quote from more than four years ago as inciting violence today?

96 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:17:45pm

re: #95 erik_t

He seriously cited an Obama quote from more than four years ago as inciting violence today?

Yep.

97 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:18:59pm

re: #93 lawhawk

CNN has reported the story, so what are they talking about?

Your facts don't fit his narrative of non-wingnut hate.

98 labman57  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:19:06pm

Every time Alex Jones publishes another "Obama is out to get us!" rant online, the stock value of "tin foil" creeps upward.

99 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:19:14pm

re: #92 Gus

Right, as if they wouldn't be the first to excoriate the President if he made a statement before all the facts were in and blamed the wrong folks, got facts wrong, etc.

Prudence is to wait to get verifiable info in before making a statement.

100 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:19:25pm

This will be a real shot in the arm for the Romney campaign. $50 bucks says he blames it all on Obama.

101 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:19:54pm

re: #98 labman57

+50 on Alcoa.

102 Lidane  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:20:18pm

re: #5 Gus

Speaking of conspiracy theories... don't look now but...

Republican Party Officially Embraces ‘Garbage’ Agenda 21 Conspiracy Theories As Its National Platform

If that seriously ends up in the national platform, I will laugh my ass off.

I'm also expecting them to officially embrace anti-vax nonsense, raw milk, Luap Nor's economic illiteracy with a call for a return to the gold/silver standard, and some form of birtherism.

103 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:21:23pm

re: #100 Mich-again

Romney Sharpens Old Message: Obama Runs On 'Hatred'

On Wednesday morning, Romney took the new tone to CBS News, a few hours after he debuted it in an Ohio speech.

“The president’s campaign is all about division and attack and hatred,” Romney said. “My campaign is about getting America back to work and creating greater unity in this country, which of course has always been the source of America’s vitality and strength.”

Romney accused Obama fully abandoning his “purple America” rhetoric of the past in favor of a campaign that splits the country along deep and painful lines.

“If you look at the ads that have been described and the divisiveness based on income, age, ethnicity and so-forth, it’s designed to bring a sense of enmity and jealousy and anger and this is not in my view what the American people want to see,” Romney said.

104 Lidane  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:21:38pm

re: #36 Charles Johnson

The Internet's dumbest blogger wasted no time: FAR LEFT Marriage Equality Loon Goes on Shooting Rampage at Conservative Family Research Council (Video) | the Gateway Pundit.

And here I thought the far left was afraid of guns and wanted to ban them all and repeal the Second Amendment.

Who knew?

105 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:22:47pm

re: #100 Mich-again

This will be a real shot in the arm for the Romney campaign. $50 bucks says he blames it all on Obama.

No, just this:

“I am appalled by the shooting today at the offices of the Family Research Council in our nation’s capital,” he said. “There is no place for such violence in our society. My prayers go out to the wounded security guard and his family, as well as all the people at the Family Research Council whose sense of security has been shattered by today’s horrific events.”

I can't find Obama's statement yet.

106 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:25:34pm

re: #104 Lidane

And here I thought the far left was afraid of guns and wanted to ban them all and repeal the Second Amendment.

Who knew?

The federal government is simultaneously incompetent and part of a highly-disciplined world conspiracy.

Liberals are simultaneously effete pansies and unspeakable violent savages.

107 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:26:57pm

Gotta run, cheerio!

108 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:27:05pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

The federal government is simultaneously incompetent and part of a highly-disciplined world conspiracy.

Liberals are simultaneously effete pansies and unspeakable violent savages.

People like Bryan Fischer are simultaneously loving disciples of Christ and vicious hateful monsters.

109 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:28:43pm

re: #103 Kragar

Romney Sharpens Old Message: Obama Runs On 'Hatred'

No, what America wants to be told is that half of it isn't paying any taxes, they're a drag on the country, and the best way to right the ship of state is to drop an even bigger tax load on their shoulders so that "job creators" can get another tax cut.

Sell crazy somewhere else, we're all full up here.

110 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:29:19pm

re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea

Homosexuals are both limp wristed sissies and the only people capable of committing the brutal atrocities orchestrated by the Nazis.

111 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:29:26pm

re: #77 SanFranciscoZionist

Everyone in the theater must have been scared to death, but I can't stop laughing.

It was good of him to apologize.

Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. If this guy hadn't shot himself in the ass, there's no telling what his buttcheeks would have gone on to do.

Also: explain to me again why this fucktard needed to take a loaded gun to a movie?

You know what? Scratch that last question. I know exactly why. He got so spooked by Aurora and the other recent incident that he gave into to his inner Punisher. Figured he'll be the hero if another mass murder breaks out.

Stories like this really make it hard for me to understand why civilians should be allowed to carry concealed weapons.

112 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:29:36pm
113 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:31:16pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

They're playing the telephone game. Every wingnut source adds another element as they pass the story along.

114 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:31:22pm

By the way, I've found no corroboration at all for the Fox News claim that authorities are calling this "domestic terrorism."

In fact, exactly the opposite is true:

Investigators said that it was too early to say whether the organization was targeted for its political views, but made clear that would be part of the investigation.

"We don't know enough yet about him or his circumstances to be able to determine his connection to this group or to the business or to what, you know, mentally what he's doing or thinking. So we're going to try to sort it all out, and pull the evidence together, do as many interviews as we can, and get it all together," said FBI Assistant Director James McJunkin.

115 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:32:12pm

re: #111 Mattand

Thank God we have the 2nd Amendment. If this guy hadn't shot himself in the ass, there's no telling what his buttcheeks would have gone on to do.

Also: explain to me again why this fucktard needed to take a loaded gun to a movie?

You know what? Scratch that last question. I know exactly why. He got so spooked by Aurora and the other recent incident that he gave into to his inner Punisher. Figured he'll be the hero if another mass murder breaks out.

Stories like this really make it hard for me to understand why civilians should be allowed to carry concealed weapons.

Personally think it a sad commentary on this nation that the only way he could feel "safe" in the wake of gun crime was to carry a gun himself. Is that really the path forward we want, where everybody's armed out of fear that everybody around them is also armed?

116 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:33:01pm

re: #114 Charles Johnson

By the way, I've found no corroboration at all for the Fox News claim that authorities are calling this "domestic terrorism."

In fact, exactly the opposite is true:

Surely an anonymous source who isn't being quoted directly is more reliable that an Assistant Director at the FBI.

117 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:33:29pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Personally think it a sad commentary on this nation that the only way he could feel "safe" in the wake of gun crime was to carry a gun himself. Is that really the path forward we want, where everybody's armed out of fear that everybody around them is also armed?

That is exactly what the NRA wants, and they say it often.

118 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:33:35pm

heh...the internets! How do they work? Romney was so hell bent on keeping Ryan a secret until the last second that he didn't do basic domain name protection...

[Link: www.romneyryan.com...]

119 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:34:13pm

re: #116 Kragar

Surely an anonymous source who isn't being quoted directly is more reliable that an Assistant Director at the FBI.

Government worker. Obviously in on the conspiracy.

Jim Hoft Investigates!

120 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:35:17pm

re: #115 Targetpractice

Personally think it a sad commentary on this nation that the only way he could feel "safe" in the wake of gun crime was to carry a gun himself. Is that really the path forward we want, where everybody's armed out of fear that everybody around them is also armed?

Also ridiculous: not possessing the reflective capacity to appreciate how other people might react if they'd noticed the gun in his pocket.

121 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:35:33pm

re: #100 Mich-again

This will be a real shot in the arm for the Romney campaign. $50 bucks says he blames it all on Obama.

Groan!

122 allegro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:37:46pm

re: #120 The Ghost of a Flea

Also ridiculous: not possessing the reflective capacity to appreciate how other people might react if they'd noticed the gun in his pocket.

They'd probably just think he was real happy to see them.

Ba-da-boom!

123 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:38:12pm

re: #120 The Ghost of a Flea

Also ridiculous: not possessing the reflective capacity to appreciate how other people might react if they'd noticed the gun in his pocket.

"A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals and you know it."

124 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:39:01pm

re: #118 darthstar

I wonder how long it will be before their ISP is hit with a take down order?

125 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:39:28pm

re: #120 The Ghost of a Flea

Also ridiculous: not possessing the reflective capacity to appreciate how other people might react if they'd noticed the gun in his pocket.

I honestly think if you're carrying a concealed weapon, part of you wants other people to see it. IMO, if you need a gun on you at all times, there's equal parts bully and paranoia at play.

Along that lines, it still boggles my mind that they're letting guns into the GOP convention. To allow your Presidential candidate near that much civilian firepower is reckless at best, idiotic at worst.

126 Sionainn  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:39:47pm

re: #81 makeitstop

OT: Angry, desperate president is angry and desperate.

[Embedded content]

What hatefulness. Obama should apologize this second.

///

I don't have any speakers, so no sound, but he doesn't look like he's ripping anyone.

127 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:40:45pm

Fucked up.

Pa. voter ID law gets approval of state judge

128 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:41:11pm

re: #127 Gus


Just for discussion on this good Page
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

129 Ming  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:41:44pm

Uh oh. From [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"A Pennsylvania judge ruled Wednesday that a new Republican-supported state voter ID law could be implemented for Election Day, despite objections that it was a partisan attempt to hurt President Obama and could cost thousands of voters the right to cast ballots."

130 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:42:15pm

re: #125 Mattand

I honestly think if you're carrying a concealed weapon, part of you wants other people to see it. IMO, if you need a gun on you at all times, there's equal parts bully and paranoia at play.

Along that lines, it still boggles my mind that they're letting guns into the GOP convention. To allow your Presidential candidate near that much civilian firepower is reckless at best, idiotic at worst.

And violate their God-given Second Amendment rights? Here in Kentucky the State Legislature is so afraid of the NRA that they let people pack heat in the Capitol while the Legislature is in session.

131 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:42:56pm

Now right wing blogs are starting their pearl-clutching routine again, about anyone who criticizes the Family Research Council as a far right anti-gay hate group. Apparently this attack is supposed to give them a "Get Out of Hate Group Free" card.

132 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:43:07pm

Local NBC affiliate: Security Guard Shot at Family Research Council in Downtown DC

The shooter entered the building at 801 G Street NW at around 10:45 a.m. Wednesday. He approached the front desk and said he was an intern before pulling a Sig Sauer 9 mm handgun from a backpack.

The guard confronted him, and they had an altercation before the shooter fired, striking the guard in the arm. Despite his injury, he gained control of the weapon and held it on the suspect.

Authorities found two loaded magazines with 15 rounds each in the suspect's backpack, as well as Chik-Fil-A promotional materials, NBC4's Jackie Bensen reported.

133 allegro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:43:36pm

re: #126 Sionainn

I don't have any speakers, so no sound, but he doesn't look like he's ripping anyone.

Oh he is ripping them new asses. He's talking about ISSUES, yanno those things Romney says he wants to talk about but claims Obama only talks about hate, division, and stuff. Pointing out the differences in their respective stances on issues qualifies as hate talk to Romney. I agree his policy proposals are pretty hateful stuff so there it is.

134 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:43:45pm

re: #129 Ming

Uh oh. From [Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

"A Pennsylvania judge ruled Wednesday that a new Republican-supported state voter ID law could be implemented for Election Day, despite objections that it was a partisan attempt to hurt President Obama and could cost thousands of voters the right to cast ballots."

I'm hoping a bunch of elderly GOP voters are disqualified for lacking ID. It would be poetic justice.

135 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:44:08pm

Dear Wingnuts:

Family Research Council is a right-wing hate group.

Sincerely,

Me

136 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:44:19pm

re: #81 makeitstop

OT: Angry, desperate president is angry and desperate.

[Embedded content]

What hatefulness. Obama should apologize this second.

///

All this Obammunist sweet talk is just part of a his never-ending campaign to lull us into complacency! Note that he's doing this just after HIS DHS bought half a billion rounds of hollow-point ammo. Why, that's as much as a couple of hundred Alex Jones listeners put together! What is their REAL plan?

137 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:44:22pm

re: #131 Charles Johnson

I'm surprised they even hear criticism when they're up so high on their fucking crosses.

138 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:44:33pm

re: #128 Daniel Ballard

Just for discussion on this good Page
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thanks. I'll just groan here for a minute.

139 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:44:48pm

re: #137 Kragar

I'm surprised they even hear criticism when they're up so high on their fucking crosses.

Boom!

140 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:45:11pm

re: #130 aagcobb

And violate their God-given Second Amendment rights? Here in Kentucky the State Legislature is so afraid of the NRA that they let people pack heat in the Capitol while the Legislature is in session.

I need to double check, but I think Maddow reported a while back that it's easier and quicker for the armed to get into the Texas capital building than it is for visiting school kids.

141 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:45:45pm

re: #125 Mattand

I honestly think if you're carrying a concealed weapon, part of you wants other people to see it. IMO, if you need a gun on you at all times, there's equal parts bully and paranoia at play.

Along that lines, it still boggles my mind that they're letting guns into the GOP convention. To allow your Presidential candidate near that much civilian firepower is reckless at best, idiotic at worst.

No, you are forgetting people that have an actual threat they must be prepared for. People who carry valuables, women at risk, those who have violent enemies at large (think women who finally got away from abusive husbands).

Plus if the weapon is seen you have violated your permit condition, and that can be the end of your CCW.

142 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:45:52pm

Somebody nudge Mustaine in the ribs and tell him to turn off Alex Jones... and then STFU.

During MEGADETH's August 7 performance at Fort Canning in Singapore, Mustaine took an opportunity to address the crowd after someone threw a shoe onstage. The four-minute speech, which can be seen below, began innocently enough, with the frontman calling out the person that threw the shoe ("that's what happens when cousins fuck") and playfully making fun of a fan who kept interrupting him during his speech. He then launched into a brief rant against Obama, saying, "Back in my country, my president [makes puking sign with his finger in his mouth], he's trying to pass a gun ban, so he's staging all of these murders, like the 'Fast And Furious' thing down at the border; [the massacre in] Aurora, Colorado, all the people that were killed there; and now the beautiful people at the Sikh temple [near Milwaukee, Wisconsin]."

143 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:46:27pm
144 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:47:06pm

re: #142 makeitstop

Obviously the Wingnuts will call for a ban on him, just like they did with the Dixie Chicks.
/

145 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:48:24pm

re: #118 darthstar

heh...the internets! How do they work? Romney was so hell bent on keeping Ryan a secret until the last second that he didn't do basic domain name protection...

[Link: www.romneyryan.com...]

Yet he announced an event at the USS Wisconsin. Real subtle there, chief.

146 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:48:29pm

re: #134 aagcobb

I'm hoping a bunch of elderly GOP voters are disqualified for lacking ID. It would be poetic justice.

The question is, will it actually be enforced uniformly at all the polling places or will some voters who don't have their ID handy still be allowed to vote because they personally know the volunteer poll workers.

147 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:48:48pm

re: #144 Kragar

Obviously the Wingnuts will call for a ban on him, just like they did with the Dixie Chicks.
/

On the contrary the Nuge/Mustaine: Suck on Our Guns Tour is in the works.

148 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:49:21pm

re: #144 Kragar

Obviously the Wingnuts will call for a ban on him, just like they did with the Dixie Chicks.
/

He should just book a package tour with Nugent and be done with it.

149 Sionainn  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:49:42pm

re: #105 NJDhockeyfan

No, just this:

I can't find Obama's statement yet.

I'm thinking that if the president has to make a statement every time some nut with a gun shoots someone he'd be very busy.

150 allegro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:50:43pm

re: #149 Sionainn

I'm thinking that if the president has to make a statement every time some nut with a gun shoots someone he'd be very busy.

I'm sure he will make a statement as soon as his teleprompter tells him what to say.

so much///

151 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:50:52pm

re: #141 Daniel Ballard

No, you are forgetting people that have an actual threat they must be prepared for. People who carry valuables, women at risk, those who have violent enemies at large (think women who finally got away from abusive husbands).

Plus if the weapon is seen you have violated your permit condition, and that can be the end of your CCW.

Maybe. I just never hear of the stories where someone having a concealed weapon saved the day.

The closest I can remember is that one of the witness to the Gabby Gifford shooting was packing. IIRC, he sort of admitted he came close to shooting Gifford's assistant.

152 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:51:51pm

Obama gets his own Swift Boat:

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

A group of former U.S. intelligence and Special Forces operatives is set to launch a media campaign, including TV ads, that scolds President Barack Obama for taking credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden and argues that high-level leaks are endangering American lives.
Leaders of the group, the Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund Inc, say it is nonpartisan and unconnected to any political party or presidential campaign. It is registered as a so-called social welfare group, which means its primary purpose is to further the common good and its political activities should be secondary.
In the past, military exploits have been turned against presidential candidates by outside groups, most famously the Swift Boat ads in 2004 that questioned Democratic nominee John Kerry's Vietnam War service.

153 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:52:20pm

NOM's Brian Brown itching to score points with FRC shooting

National Organization For Marriage president Brian Brown attempts to politicize before knowing any facts:


"Today's attack is the clearest sign we've seen that labeling pro-marriage groups as 'hateful' must end," said Brian Brown, President of NOM. "The Southern Poverty Law Center has labeled the Family Research Council a 'hate group' for its pro-marriage views, and less than a day ago the Human Rights Campaign issued a statement calling FRC a 'hate group'—they even specified that FRC hosts events in Washington, DC, where today's attack took place."

"NOM has always condemned all violence and vilification connected to our ongoing national debate about the meaning and definition of marriage," Brown stated. "For too long national gay rights groups have intentionally marginalized and ostracized pro-marriage groups and individuals by labeling them as 'hateful' and 'bigoted' -- such harmful and dangerous labels deserve no place in our civil society and NOM renews its call today for gay rights groups and the Southern Poverty Law Center to withdraw such incendiary rhetoric from a debate that involves millions of good Americans," added Brown.

Brown concluded: "Violence is never the answer, and on that we all must agree, or risk the consequences."

154 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:52:32pm

re: #146 Mich-again

The question is, will it actually be enforced uniformly at all the polling places or will some voters who don't have their ID handy still be allowed to vote because they personally know the volunteer poll workers.

Your skin is pale enough granny; that's all the ID you need!/

155 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:52:38pm

re: #151 Mattand

Maybe. I just never hear of the stories where someone having a concealed weapon saved the day.

The closest I can remember is that one of the witness to the Gabby Gifford shooting was packing. IIRC, he sort of admitted he came close to shooting Gifford's assistant.

IIRC, the guy he almost shot was one of those who'd managed to wrestle Loughner to the ground after he'd fumbled his reload. The guy who nearly shot him saw the gun and initially concluded he was the shooter, but hesitated long enough to realize his mistake.

156 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:54:13pm

Ryan's insider-trading thing isn't going away as quickly as the campaign had hoped.

It nows appears that Benjy Sarlin was misled by the Romney/Ryan campaign and he bought their explanation hook, line, and sinker.

I here now repeat the accusation I made on Saturday, August 11, 2012, specifically: that Paul Ryan received advanced knowledge of the coming banking disaster and he traded on that knowledge before it became public in the hopes of improving his financial position.

157 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:54:34pm

Labeling someone a "hate group" is not the same as accusing them of mass murder, conspiracy, theft, and treason. The latter are staples of far right media like Alex Jones and Glenn Beck.

158 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:54:44pm

re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Obama gets his own Swift Boat:

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

Hopefully all it will accomplish is to remind voters that Obama got Bin Laden!

159 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:54:55pm

re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Obama gets his own Swift Boat:

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

Keep reminding voters that Bin Laden was killed on Obama's watch. I'm sure that's a winning strategy.

160 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:54:57pm

OT.

Chase CEO Jamie Dimon: “We Live In A Free. Fucking. Country.”

“There are huge benefits to size,” says Dimon. “We bank Caterpillar in like 40 countries. We can do a $20 billion bridge loan overnight for a company that’s about to do a major acquisition. Size lets us build a $500 million data center that speeds up transactions and invest billions of dollars in products like ATMs and apps that allow your iPhone to deposit checks. We move $2 trillion a day, and you can see it by account, by company. These aren’t, like, little things. And they accrue to the customer. That’s what capitalism is.”

He also takes issue with those who portray of bankers as a greedy, corrupt group.

“Most bankers are decent, honorable people," Dimon claims. "We’re wrapped up in all this crap right now. We made a mistake. We’re sorry. It doesn’t detract from all the good things we’ve done. I am not responsible for the financial crisis."

And to those who think that lawmakers are bowing to pressures from Wall Street, Dimon implies that it's the other way around and that it's bankers who are running in fear from regulators.

“Everyone is afraid of retaliation and retribution," he explains. "We recently had an event with a hundred small bankers here, and 85 percent of them said they can’t challenge the regulation because of the potential retribution. That’s a terrible thing. Okay? This is not the Soviet Union. This is the United States of America. That’s what I remember. Guess what?... [shouting] It’s a free. Fucking. Country."

161 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:55:03pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

IIRC, the guy he almost shot was one of those who'd managed to wrestle Loughner to the ground after he'd fumbled his reload. The guy who nearly shot him saw the gun and initially concluded he was the shooter, but hesitated long enough to realize his mistake.

That sounds right. The guy who subdued Loughner was Gifford's assistant, who I believe is running for or may have been elected to her seat.

162 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:56:19pm

re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Obama gets his own Swift Boat:

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

They're trying that again? This garbage came out several months ago. Special Ops my ass.

163 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:56:22pm

re: #160 dragonfire1981

Chase CEO Jamie Dimon: “We Live In A Free. Fucking. Country.”

What's my favorite word of the week?

Oh, that's right. Unhinged.

I know there might be a crazy guy standing on a bucket outside your headquarters, but chief executive officers aren't supposed to respond in kind.

164 Sionainn  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:56:23pm

re: #133 allegro

Oh he is ripping them new asses. He's talking about ISSUES, yanno those things Romney says he wants to talk about but claims Obama only talks about hate, division, and stuff. Pointing out the differences in their respective stances on issues qualifies as hate talk to Romney. I agree his policy proposals are pretty hateful stuff so there it is.

Thanks. When I packed up my computer equipment to bring to the motel for the next 21 days, I figured I didn't need to bring the speakers. Been kicking myself ever since.

165 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:58:50pm

re: #142 makeitstop

Somebody nudge Mustaine in the ribs and tell him to turn off Alex Jones... and then STFU.

You Realize that Mustaine is a born again Christian now. And with the born again, he's decided to accept all of the trappings (except the music, He won't stop playing his evil devil music, but now he's playing the devil music for God, or something). ;)

166 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:59:26pm

OT:

Cue the waterworks:

Book describes Paterno's reaction to firing

Among them was the scene at Paterno's house the day after he was fired by the Penn State board of trustees:

On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, "How are you doing, Coach?" Paterno answered, "I'm okay," but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, "I don't know what I'm going to do with myself." Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

My heart bleeds. ////

167 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 12:59:51pm

The shooting at the FRC is deplorable; indeed, violence is not the way to settle political differences of opinion. And kudos to the guard who, despite being injured himself, nonetheless disarmed and apprehended the gunman.

That being said, FRC is (at least in my personal opinion) a hate group. Though I doubt such a thing will happen, perhaps it will give this organization pause for thought regarding its occasionally incendiary rhetoric. But I ain't gonna hold my breath on that one.............more likely, this will (unfortunately) only make them even more vociferous - all their persecution fantasies have just come to fruition.

168 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:01:24pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

OT:

Cue the waterworks:

Book describes Paterno's reaction to firing

My heart bleeds. ////

It could have stood for integrity, but he thought a game was more important than children.

169 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:02:26pm

re: #160 dragonfire1981

OT.

Chase CEO Jamie Dimon: “We Live In A Free. Fucking. Country.”

Not a single US banker has gone to jail for the financial crisis, and this over-privileged prick is whining about "retaliation" and "retribution"?

Image: worlds_smallest_violin_poster_by_dr_j33-d32tvet.jpg

170 makeitstop  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:02:55pm

re: #165 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

You Realize that Mustaine is a born again Christian now. And with the born again, he's decided to accept all of the trappings (except the music, He won't stop playing his evil devil music, but now he's playing the devil music for God, or something). ;)

Seriously?

He's come a long way from Jager puddles with Metallica. And by 'a long way,' I don't necessarily mean he's improved himself. I kinda liked the nasty drunk Mustaine better.

171 allegro  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:03:19pm

re: #168 Kragar

It could have stood for integrity, but he thought a game was more important than children entrusted to his care and that of his staff.

I think that addition is important.

172 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:03:44pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

OT:

Cue the waterworks:

Book describes Paterno's reaction to firing

My heart bleeds. ////

I'm glad Paterno got to see his name so deeply tarnished before he died. It's a fitting punishment for valuing narrative more than reality.

173 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:04:24pm

re: #168 Kragar

It could have stood for integrity, but he thought a game was more important than children.

I will never, for the life of me, understand how he thought he'd be able to cover for Sandusky and keep his name clean. Did he honestly believe the victims would never speak up, never come forward, and he could retire or even expire with his record intact?

174 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:04:53pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

OT:

Cue the waterworks:

Book describes Paterno's reaction to firing

My heart bleeds. ////

Yeah, well, that's what happens when you ignore child rape because you don't want to disturb your precious little football fiefdom.

175 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:04:53pm

Man builds himself bionic hands

Sun Jifa lost both his hands when a homemade blast-fishing bomb exploded prematurely. Unable to afford the prosthetic limbs offered by a hospital, he created his own.

176 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:04:55pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Forget Aqua Buddha. I want to know if Rand believes in the Reptilians.

re: #2 Expand Your Ground

Or the Lemuians

Rand Paul is a Raëlian.

There, I said it...the truth is out there.

///

177 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:05:49pm

re: #175 Kragar

Man builds himself bionic hands

He built them in a cave! With spare parts!

//

178 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:05:56pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

I will never, for the life of me, understand how he thought he'd be able to cover for Sandusky and keep his name clean. Did he honestly believe the victims would never speak up, never come forward, and he could retire or even expire with his record intact?

Power warps the mind, especially over long periods. It really was a perfect storm of circumstance -- I don't think any other coach in the country, even had they the inclination, would think they could get away with it.

179 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:05:57pm

re: #175 Kragar

Man builds himself bionic hands

Those look like steampunk prosthetics.

180 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:07:35pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

re: #179 Gus

"The devices depend on a series of wires and pulleys inside, and are controlled by movements in his elbows, he said. “I made this from scrap metal for virtually nothing,” Jifa says."

181 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:08:09pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

Yea..He spent all day crying and sobbing about being fired.
He should have been crying over little boys being raped on his watch.

183 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:08:36pm

re: #166 Targetpractice

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

He maybe should've thought of that when he was covering up child rape. That's what the Paterno name means now.

184 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:09:19pm

re: #182 Kragar

Romney Would Eliminate Funding For Amtrak Despite Record-High Ridership

One step forward; two steps back...

The Republican Party

185 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:09:47pm

re: #175 Kragar

Man builds himself bionic hands

Are real life superheroes far behind?

186 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:10:03pm

re: #182 Kragar

Romney Would Eliminate Funding For Amtrak Despite Record-High Ridership

This is usually where I point out that Republicans are still happy to dramatically and hypocritically subsidize roads, but I don't think they care about even basic infrastructure spending anymore.

Just ask TPaw.

187 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:10:08pm

re: #182 Kragar

Romney Would Eliminate Funding For Amtrak Despite Record-High Ridership

Trains don't run on oil.

188 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:10:20pm

re: #181 Digital Display

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

Yea..He spent all day crying and sobbing about being fired.
He should have been crying over little boys being raped on his watch.

He got his wish. It does mean something; an egotistical bastard who didn't report child rape.

189 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:10:26pm

re: #153 Kragar

Joint Statement from LGBT Organizations on FRC Shooting

We were saddened to hear news of the shooting this morning at the offices of the Family Research Council. Our hearts go out to the shooting victim, his family, and his co-workers.

The motivation and circumstances behind today’s tragedy are still unknown, but regardless of what emerges as the reason for this shooting, we utterly reject and condemn such violence. We wish for a swift and complete recovery for the victim of this terrible incident.

190 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:10:40pm

re: #185 dragonfire1981

Are real life superheroes far behind?

I've been around for years.

191 aagcobb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:11:26pm

re: #187 dragonfire1981

Trains don't run on oil.

Steamies don't, but mean old Diesel does!

192 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:12:35pm

re: #190 Kragar

I've been around for years.

We've been over this, you can't be a hero and collect skulls for the skull throne.

//

193 The Left  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:13:51pm

Heh.

194 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:13:58pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

We've been over this, you can't be a hero and collect skulls for the skull throne.

//

That all depends on whose skulls I collect.

195 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:14:01pm

re: #183 aagcobb

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

He maybe should've thought of that when he was covering up child rape. That's what the Paterno name means now.

To me, in some senses the most depressing thing is that even that piece of shit Sandusky didn't force it to be this way. Nothing would have done more to build Paterno's reputation in my mind than if he: found out about his national-championship-facilitating defensive coordinator molesting children, threw him out on his ass and into jail, and opened the gates and laid bare everything that had happened and what he would do to prevent it in the future.

Evil people, in some number, hide all around us. Nobody is infallible or omniscient. It's what you do when you stumble upon that evil that really matters.

196 Mattand  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:14:25pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

We've been over this, you can't be a hero and collect skulls for the skull throne.

//

Plus, thermal underwear, a bath towel cape, and magenta Speedo is a poor, poor costume choice.

197 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:14:37pm

re: #194 Kragar

That all depends on whose skulls I collect.

Damn it, forgot that loophole.

//

198 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:15:31pm
199 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:15:59pm

re: #197 Targetpractice

Damn it, forgot that loophole.

//

RULES FOR THE RULES GOD!!!

200 Digital Display  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:17:03pm

re: #195 erik_t

Wise post Erik..You hit the nail on the head...

201 leftynyc  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:17:07pm

re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Obama gets his own Swift Boat:

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

Keep reminding the people which President actually got bin laden. That's the winning ticket.

202 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:17:31pm

re: #198 Gus

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I know of at least 4 cases where GOP politicians are being investigated for voter fraud involving absentee ballot scams.

203 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:18:21pm

re: #198 Gus

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Wife and I are awaiting our Florida registration training packet--we should be registering students at one of the universities this week as they sign up for classes.

204 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:20:09pm

SPLC Statement on Shooting at Family Research Council

We’ve seen news of the shooting of a security guard today at the Family Research Council office in Washington, D.C., and are getting media inquiries about it. There are unconfirmed reports that the shooting was ideologically motivated. We condemn all acts of violence and are following the story closely.

Several ugly comments (including one that might be a liberal!), but this one actually has a point:

Gay people are subjected to violence near weekly, perpetrated by people who probably have at least as good connection to the FRC as this guy does the SPLC. This whole thing is very unfortunate, but that doesn’t mean you can’t call a hate group a hate group. The FRC is dedicated demonizing and dehumanizing a whole group of Americans. They want them all imprisoned, oppose any basic rights, constantly enable and then belittle mistreatment and even violence against them (even lobbied for it abroad), etc. If the FRC is not a hate group, I question how the category could exist.

The FRC is a group actively campaigns to take away rights from people who disagree with it. The groups criticizing the FRC are trying to prevent this from happened...and they aren't, in the process, arguing to take away the basic rights of the FRC's following. That's what makes the former a hate group and the latter not.

205 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:20:44pm

re: #195 erik_t

To me, in some senses the most depressing thing is that even that piece of shit Sandusky didn't force it to be this way. Nothing would have done more to build Paterno's reputation in my mind than if he: found out about his national-championship-facilitating defensive coordinator molesting children, threw him out on his ass and into jail, and opened the gates and laid bare everything that had happened and what he would do to prevent it in the future.

Evil people, in some number, hide all around us. Nobody is infallible or omniscient. It's what you do when you stumble upon that evil that really matters.

And that really is one of the big questions, what was Paterno afraid of such that he'd cover for Sandusky to begin with? Once the cover-up had happened, there was plenty of reason to keep a lid on it, but why start it? Was Penn State up to something that, by turning Sandusky in to the police, would get the NCAA sniffing around? Or was he really so vain that he thought that anything that might tarnish his reputation simply couldn't be allowed to see the light of day?

206 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:20:48pm

Voter fraud suspected in East Longmeadow race

The district attorney in Hampden County is investigating whether a ­Republican candidate for state representative orchestrated an illegal scheme to cast absentee ballots on behalf of hundreds of voters in hope of winning a primary election.

State election officials were tipped off to the potential voter fraud when a suspiciously large number of residents of the Springfield suburb of East Longmeadow suddenly changed party registration from Democrat to independent, making them eligible to vote in the upcoming Republican primary.

When contacted, several of the voters said they had not changed party affiliations, raising concern that someone had switched their party in an attempt to cast fraudulent absentee ballots on their behalf.

207 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:21:08pm
208 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:21:49pm

re: #142 makeitstop

Somebody nudge Mustaine in the ribs and tell him to turn off Alex Jones... and then STFU.

The four-minute speech, which can be seen below, began innocently enough, with the frontman calling out the person that threw the shoe

Someone once threw a large boot at Henry Rollins on stage. He calmly said something along the lines of, "sir, I saw exactly where that came from. I'll make you an offer: I'll hold onto your boot for safekeeping. If you want it back, you can see me after the show and we'll chat about whatever grievance you may have."

209 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:22:29pm

re: #207 darthstar

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Curious where the +5s are from. I'm guessing one's Rasmussen, but not sure 'bout the other.

210 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:22:56pm

Election fiascos hurt Michigan Republicans on fraud issue they have long highlighted

Kent County's Republican prosecutor determined no election laws were broken during Rep. Roy Schmidt's switch from Democrat to Republican at the May 15 filing deadline - a move aided by GOP House Speaker Jase Bolger - but he said he was embarrassed by "shenanigans" that resulted in a fake Democrat going on the ballot.

In the aftermath of another May 15 filing debacle, Republican Attorney General Bill Schuette last week charged four aides to former GOP U.S. Rep. Thaddeus McCotter with helping submit fraudulent petitions in an attempt to qualify him for the ballot. While McCotter was not charged, he was accused by Schuette of being "asleep at the switch."

211 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:23:34pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

And that really is one of the big questions, what was Paterno afraid of such that he'd cover for Sandusky to begin with? Once the cover-up had happened, there was plenty of reason to keep a lid on it, but why start it? Was Penn State up to something that, by turning Sandusky in to the police, would get the NCAA sniffing around? Or was he really so vain that he thought that anything that might tarnish his reputation simply couldn't be allowed to see the light of day?

The last, I think. Don't interpret this as a defense of Paterno's actions re: Sandusky, but I'm not aware of even a hint of any other impropriety. His program really was in most ways a shining beacon of how things ought to be done.

You know, except for that one really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really big way.

212 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:24:18pm

re: #146 Mich-again

The question is, will it actually be enforced uniformly at all the polling places or will some voters who don't have their ID handy still be allowed to vote because they personally know the volunteer poll workers.

Well you know which areas will have GOP-sponsored poll watchers there to make sure none of the latter occurs.
:p

213 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:24:27pm

Pinal County supervisor hopeful John Enright quits

A Pinal County supervisor candidate has withdrawn from the race in the wake of voter-fraud allegations involving a former companion who, records show, has continued to vote by absentee ballot in the five years since her death.

214 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:24:51pm

Haven't looked at Fox Nation comments in a while. I think they might be getting even more insane and full of rage.

[Link: nation.foxnews.com...]

You have to wonder why the media is already squashing the fact that is was a big angry BLLACK man that did the shooting.

[...]

Out of work OWS ho mo. The DNC convention might be a good place for a mass attack.

[...]

Napalm. ;-)----

[...]

Here's a question: considering how violent and intolerant leftist liberals tend to be, how much do you want to bet that if Obama loses in November, there will be riots across the country?

[...]

that will probably be the only way some of them will ever own a flatscreen tv. rioting and looting.

[...]

It is past time for America to declare war against these deranged, DOPE HEAD leftist loons.

[...]

Be prepared the civil war has begun....the left will go nuclear when Obama loses...blacks will find an excuse to riot...homo's will become more militant, unions will bully and intimidate and act like thugs Its coming be prepared to defend and protect your family

[...]

Obama's organization is creating a campaign of terror against American citizens so that Obama will appear "justified" when he deploys his "Department of Homeland Security"---which has purchased a BILLION ROUNDS of ammunition in the last year---to disarm American citizens.

[...]

this is just a practice run for Obama, he's getting a feel for which way to cause the national emergency. I still say he's planning a failed assination attempt on himself, and will declare the elections off. DHS has been stockpiling ammo for months. Travel with papers is headed our way . martial law !!!

[...]

you better find a gød to pray to, that there isn't a "civil" war in 2016, or any time in your future, because You're gonna be primary targets, and we're gonna be able to find you.

Goes on and on and on. There are already over 600 ranting illiterate comments.

215 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:26:55pm

re: #211 erik_t

The last, I think. Don't interpret this as a defense of Paterno's actions re: Sandusky, but I'm not aware of even a hint of any other impropriety. His program really was in most ways a shining beacon of how things ought to be done.

You know, except for that one really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really big way.

Think you may be right. Think it came down to a worry that not only would it tarnish his reputation, but start bringing up some questions he didn't want asked. Like why nobody had noticed anything, whether Paterno was competent to still be coaching, and whether the university investing so much power in him was a bad idea.

216 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:29:05pm

re: #215 Targetpractice

Yep. Just a particularly stark example of the general rule: don't build a statue of somebody who's still alive.

217 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:30:12pm

re: #216 erik_t

Yep. Just a particularly stark example of the general rule: don't build a statue of somebody who's still alive.

More I hear about this and about him, the more I want that statue melted down and turned into a dumpster.

218 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:31:55pm

Via ThinkProgress

DC police say the suspect is from Herndon, Virginia and was born in 1984. A witness to the arrest told NBC News the suspect was a 6’3 tall 250-pound black man.

The suspect has been identified as 28-year-old Floyd Corkins of Virginia.

219 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:32:32pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

More I hear about this and about him, the more I want that statue melted down and turned into a dumpster.

I think they already removed it.

220 blueraven  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:34:02pm

D.C. Shooting Suspect’s Car Might Be in EFC Parking Lot

The suspect in a shooting at the Family Research Council in D.C. might have parked at the East Falls Church Metro station, ARLnow.com has learned exclusively.

FBI agents and Metro Police officers have blocked off part of the parking lot at East Falls Church with crime tape. Investigators are in the process of obtaining a warrant to search a car in the parking lot that they believe belongs to the shooting suspect, according to FBI Washington Field Office spokeswoman Rebecca Callahan.

Maybe more information will come from this soon.

221 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:34:10pm

re: #217 Targetpractice

More I hear about this and about him, the more I want that statue melted down and turned into a dumpster.

I'd settle for a plaque to sit where the statue stood. Find some appropriate quote from Paterno about never putting one's own glory above the good of those around you, or something like that (god knows he talked on this subject enough). Append something detailing in brief that his sentiment was a good one, but Paterno himself failed to live up to it and that was ultimately his demise and his legacy.

re: #219 Kragar

They did indeed. It's been sent to the same bleak featureless federal warehouse that holds the Ark of the Covenant.

222 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:36:29pm

re: #219 Kragar

I think they already removed it.

They did, but they put it in storage, for it's "protection." Don't know why, I can't imagine there will ever come a day when it will be safe for them to put it back in place.

223 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:37:45pm

Romney's not just unhinged...he's paranoid.

224 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:39:02pm
225 Sionainn  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:39:28pm

re: #189 The Ghost of a Flea

Joint Statement from LGBT Organizations on FRC Shooting

Now that's an outright condemnation, something that does not happen with rightwing organizations. They are too busy making up excuses.

226 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:40:05pm

re: #223 darthstar

Romney's not just unhinged...he's paranoid.

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Romney's next campaign slogan: "ALL SHALL LOVE ME AND DESPAIR!!!"

227 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:40:52pm

re: #209 Targetpractice

Curious where the +5s are from. I'm guessing one's Rasmussen, but not sure 'bout the other.

Gallup, most likely.

228 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:41:29pm

BTW, for those in the NYC metro - lots of reports of flooding across Brooklyn and Queens, and more rain is on the way.

229 erik_t  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:41:30pm

re: #224 Kragar

If SPLC is right, that using irresponsible language re: homosexuality causes violence, then they to blame for FRC shooting.

SPLC's language is wholly responsible, far more polite and dignified than their subjects often deserve.

I would invite Fischer to look at the log in his own eye, the kidnapping of the children of gays being the prime recent example.

230 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:41:31pm

re: #224 Kragar

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I can't remember, was Fischer one of those dipshits who were arguing that violent rhetoric isn't responsible for violence after the Giffords shooting?

231 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:42:25pm

re: #224 Kragar

Bryan Fischer:
If SPLC is right, that using irresponsible language re: homosexuality causes violence, then they to blame for FRC shooting.

Well, Bryan, you to blame for being a horse's ass.

232 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:42:28pm

re: #228 lawhawk

BTW, for those in the NYC metro - lots of reports of flooding across Brooklyn and Queens, and more rain is on the way.

Lake Queens

233 Gus  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:44:02pm
234 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:45:59pm

Yikes! So the shooter is 6'3", 250 lbs. and the guard still wrestled his gun away and restrained him AFTER the guard himself had been shot?

If I ever need more security at my place, he's got the job.

235 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:46:34pm

re: #231 Shiplord Kirel

Well, Bryan, you to blame for being a horse's ass.

To shamelessly steal someone else's line; Bryan can take a bag of dicks, mix it with some balls and assholes and enjoy some crotch trail mix.

236 darthstar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:47:21pm

re: #235 Kragar

To shamelessly steal someone else's line; Bryan can take a bag of dicks, mix it with some balls and assholes and enjoy some crotch trail mix.

Sounds like what he gets in his collection plate every Sunday.

237 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:47:40pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

I have access to a furnace capable of smelting it. No charge.

238 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:48:11pm

re: #236 darthstar

Sounds like what he gets in his collection plate every Sunday.

ITS RESEARCH!!!

239 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:49:05pm

re: #236 darthstar

Sounds like what he gets in his collection plate every Sunday.

I'd still give better than even money that Bryan is a closet case.

240 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:49:19pm

re: #234 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! So the shooter is 6'3", 250 lbs. and the guard still wrestled his gun away and restrained him AFTER the guard himself had been shot?

If I ever need more security at my place, he's got the job.

Hopefully the guard comes out as gay, just for lulz.

241 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:49:51pm

Floyd Corkins Picture
Looks like Private Pyle.

242 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:50:47pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Floyd Corkins Picture
Looks like Private Pyle.

Good god man!
Put a warning next time.
:P

243 Kragar  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:51:37pm

Your Republican Friend To Explain Why Paul Ryan Is Great Choice

Sources confirmed that in response to Mitt Romney's announcement of Paul Ryan as his vice presidential running mate, your Republican friend will soon explain to you that while the Wisconsin representative may appear to be a risky pick, he actually brings more to the ticket than you'd think. "If you stop for a second to consider his experience defending his "Path to Prosperity" budget in Congress, the fact that he hails from a swing state, and his keen political instincts, Paul Ryan makes perfect sense," your Republican friend will reportedly tell you this week, making sure to reference his earlier Facebook post observing that Ryan's latest Medicare proposal is co-sponsored by a Senate Democrat. "Combine that with his youthful energy and record of demolishing every opponent he's ever faced, and you’ve got a pretty strong ticket." The detailed explanation is expected to be a marked departure from 2008, when, following the selection of Sarah Palin, your Republican friend remained completely silent.

244 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:52:35pm

Another reason Republicans hate science:

Can people pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

Answer:
No they cannot. This is because while you are applying an upward force on your boots, you apply an equal downward force on your back (and by extension also on your feet and boots). Thus everything cancels each other out.

This is a direct consequence of the law of conservation of momentum; if you could pull yourself up by your bootstraps you could generate momentum from nothing.

245 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:53:02pm

Why I do not support the Alabama Democratic Party:

Former Obama campaign co-chair to stump for Romney

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

246 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:53:07pm

re: #234 Shiplord Kirel

Yikes! So the shooter is 6'3", 250 lbs. and the guard still wrestled his gun away and restrained him AFTER the guard himself had been shot?

If I ever need more security at my place, he's got the job.

Maybe the whole thing was staged.

/?

247 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:53:59pm

re: #244 What Would Spalding Gray Do?

That phrase originally meant "Something which is impossible to do." It used to mean that everyone needed help from other people.

Somewhere along the way, people who lacked a sense of irony hijacked it.

248 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:54:26pm

re: #244 What Would Spalding Gray Do?

Another reason Republicans hate science:

Can people pull themselves up by their bootstraps?

I am currently reading Sandberg's Lincoln.

Yes, he pretty much self-educated. This was a man who read Euclid just because he wanted to know what it said. However, he also networked (they didn't call it that, then), and used the party structure in his rise to prosperity.

In other words, he could easily have been like most of the young men who were born into similar circumstances, but at the same time, it wasn't like he never had help.

249 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:55:05pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Floyd Corkins Picture
Looks like Private Pyle.

Hawt!

Police: I'm sorry son, you're not quite disheveled enough. Here lets open up that shirt, show off that sexy fat belly and skooch those undies down a bit before we parade you around in pubic public. Mmm ... perfect.

250 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:56:33pm

Why I do not support the Alabama Democratic Party, Part II:


Democrats could oust chief justice candidate--
Lyon under fire over comments, 'bizarre behavior'

[Link: www.montgomeryadvertiser.com...]

251 Sionainn  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:56:41pm

re: #241 Killgore Trout

Floyd Corkins Picture
Looks like Private Pyle.

This is more likely Corkins' Facebook page. No real information there.

252 blueraven  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 1:59:21pm

re: #245 Decatur Deb

Why I do not support the Alabama Democratic Party:

Former Obama campaign co-chair to stump for Romney

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

Sounds like political leverage in Alabama.
A black democrat running for Governor...doubtful.
Switch party...try again?

253 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 2:06:32pm

re: #252 blueraven

Sounds like political leverage in Alabama.
A black democrat running for Governor...doubtful.
Switch party...try again?

Had a good history until 2010, then went around the bend.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

254 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 2:36:01pm

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Forget Aqua Buddha. I want to know if Rand believes in the Reptilians.

re: #2 Expand Your Ground

Or the Lemuians

Rand Paul is a Raëlian.

There, I said it...the truth is out there.

///re: #152 Shiplord Kirel

Obama gets his own Swift Boat:

Special ops group attacks Obama over bin Laden bragging, leaks

From Wikipedia (take it with a grain of salt, but hard info on this group is pretty scarce):

Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund, Inc. is a 501(c)(4). [1]

The group's president is former Navy SEAL Scott Taylor, who failed to win a Republican nomination for a Virginia congressional seat in 2010.[2]

Because its primary purpose is to further the common good, the group doesn't have to disclose who is funding it to the public.[2]

How convenient...

255 CriticalDragon1177  Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:08:57pm

Charles Johnson

Its upsetting how contra reality so many people in our government are.

By the way, who do you think is crazier, Alex Jones or Pamela Geller?


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