Bad Lip Reading: More Mitt
So many people are rubbin’ on their messy parts
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Tigger2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:25:20pm |
Romney reminds me of a boss I use to have, he would call a company meeting and give a stupid presentation like this just before he screwed you.
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Summer Lovin' Torture Party Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:26:55pm |
VERY, VERY FUNNY!!! JUST WAIT UNTIL MITT WINS IN A LANDSLIDE LIKE LIMBAUGH SAYS, AND WE'LL SEE WHO'S LAUGHING THEN, YOU LIBRUL MORONS!!!
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:28:38pm |
Nearly did a Noriega film. Paul Ryan adviser Elliot Abrams also covered up torture & decapitation of Noriega opponent goo.gl/nGdSo— Oliver Stone (@TheOliverStone) August 17, 2012
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ArchangelMichael Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:30:33pm |
"Laugh-a while you can Monkey Boy!" - Dr Wingnut Lizardo
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euphgeek Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:31:04pm |
"Squirrel kickers are drunk marionettes."
Hilarious.
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AK-47% Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:32:12pm |
The Obama campaign is sinking to new lows on this.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:32:47pm |
Squirrel kickers are drunk marionettes.
That's handy to know.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:34:31pm |
Ya gotta ask a black boy, who did it?
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:35:16pm |
Can't listen right now...at work and don't have headphones. Haven't figured out the politics in my new office yet.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:40:37pm |
Okay...who needs BLR when you have Mitt Romney? Now he's accusing our overspending president of spending too little?
When it comes to fiscal issues, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want voters to know they’re collectively disgusted by what they see as a reckless government spending spree under President Obama the past three years.
But in a twist, they’re also contending that Obama’s government hasn’t stepped in enough to help Americans. It’s the political equivalent of “This food is terrible — and such small portions!”
I think their strategy is simply to say such asinine shit that people walk into the polls so confused and dizzy that they simply vote for them in an attempt to stab their names to death with the punch tool.
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Batman Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:41:14pm |
I had a strange dream the other night where I was, for some reason, at a Romney picnic event with the media and everything. He was showing me how to eat something (you know how when you've never had something someone has to show you the right way to eat it). The funny part is that when he talked he sounded exactly like the Bad Lip Reading guy.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:42:16pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Okay...who needs BLR when you have Mitt Romney? Now he's accusing our overspending president of spending too little?
I think their strategy is simply to say such asinine shit that people walk into the polls so confused and dizzy that they simply vote for them in an attempt to stab their names to death with the punch tool.
I read your comment as "They all say d'oh!"
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:42:59pm |
re: #14 Batman
I had a strange dream the other night where I was, for some reason, at a Romney picnic event with the media and everything. He was showing me how to eat something (you know how when you've never had something someone has to show you the right way to eat it). The funny part is that when he talked he sounded exactly like the Bad Lip Reading guy.
I hope Romney knows how to eat crow.
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engineer cat Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:44:20pm |
yay! funky bad lip reading mitt for pretzledent!
he'll make you stop rubbing your messy parts!
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:47:15pm |
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:48:26pm |
re: #18 Charles Johnson
Excuse me, had to wash a sock.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
I won't say something inappropriate.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:53:14pm |
Okay...maybe I will.
I also love @lolgop and@jesseberney. #FF yfrog.com/escrgxpj— Semishark (@Semishark) August 17, 2012
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:53:32pm |
A couple of days ago I mentioned I've been off my meds for a few days. Well now I'm severely dizzy if I move my head and I've got the 'brain zaps'. I phoned the clinic where my doctor works to make an appointment to get him to extend my prescription only to find out he retired 2 weeks ago and they have no replacement.
Bugger. Some days it doesn't pay to get out of bed.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:55:16pm |
re: #22 b_sharp
I phoned the clinic where my doctor works to make an appointment to get him to extend my prescription only to find out he retired 2 weeks ago and they have no replacement.
Best. Medical. Care. In. The. World.
//need I?
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:56:29pm |
re: #22 b_sharp
Oh, wait...you're in Canada...never mind. I'm sure if you call the pharmacy they can call and get the Rx renewed.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:57:20pm |
On the airwaves, GOP outspent Dems $23M to $7.7M this pas week. dailykos.com/story/2012/08/.... And they're still losing.— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) August 17, 2012
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 2:58:18pm |
Heath continued, "If Maine doesn't end this decades long conflict over the evil of sodomy with an overwhelming NO vote in November we can expect to see this sort of violence in Maine in the near future. Homosexuality can lead to the most horrific and violent consequences in individuals and society. The twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed because of it."
Heath is awaiting receipt of his concealed weapons permit from the Maine State Police. He claimed it is the responsibility of all good men to be prepared to protect innocence from evil. Force must be met with force so that innocent people are not harmed.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:00:27pm |
'Jefferson Lies' Author Negotiating New Edition for Glenn Beck’s Mercury Ink
David Barton, author of The Jefferson Lies, which Thomas Nelson pulled from shelves last week, is in negotiations to publish a new edition of the book with Mercury Ink, Glenn Beck’s publishing arm. Barton told PW he bought back around 17,000 copies of the current edition and will sell out of those before the publication of the new edition. He said Nelson would not give him the digital version: “They just pulled that down, and we are going to have to reconvert it if we want to sell an e-book” of the current edition; he added he has not yet decided whether to do that. “It depends on how quickly we think we can get the new edition out.”
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:04:42pm |
re: #27 Kragar
I hate that people keep invoking Sodom and Gomorrah as something to do with homosexuality, when the story was about hospitality and guest rights.
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dragonfire1981 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:06:39pm |
Gosh this sounds so familiar for some reason...
Over the course of the campaign, Canadians have gotten a glimpse of what a PQ government might look like. The separatist party has already announced its intentions to toughen French language laws and to ban all civil servants from wearing or exposing overt religious symbols.
And on Thursday we learned that they would selectively disregard Supreme Court of Canada rulings.
Speaking about the policy that would ban religious symbols, a PQ candidate says his party wouldn't hesitate to use the constitutional notwithstanding clause to override any legal argument that the plan violates the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
"Our boss is not the Supreme Court of Canada — our boss is the will of the people of Quebec," said Jean-Francois Lisée, a PQ candidate and longtime party adviser, in an interview with the Canadian Press.
"We do not want to legislate while taking into account Canadian judges. We will legislate considering the interests of Quebecers."
In addition, PQ leader Pauline Marois has said that she'll lead with what she calls "sovereigntist governance."A PQ government will demand that the federal government turn over its powers and all related funding on matters such as employment insurance, communications and culture, and economic regional development.
Hmmm, a political party that wants to ignore the Supreme Court, selectively ban religious symbols and terminate Federal Power across a range of areas...what an original idea...
I can't believe we (meaning Canada) are about to get into this mess again. For those not familiar with Canadian history there has long been a movement in Quebec to secede from the rest of Canada. The reasons are complex but the short version is: The separatists believe that Quebec does not get fair treatment from the Federal government as well as the rest of Canada (which just happens to be mainly English speaking).
Back in 1995 the PQ (the same party discussed above) was in power in Quebec and a province wide referendum was held to determine whether or not the people of Quebec wanted to remain part of Canada or not. The "NO" side (as in No, we do not want to separate from Canada) won by a narrow margin and the PQ lost power a few years later and hasn't gained it back since...now it looks like they have a chance.
This should be fun although I doubt it will go anywhere. There have been rumblings about Quebec separation for decades stretching back long before I was born and the 1995 Refrendum was as close as we got to any real official move in that direction.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:07:45pm |
Romney, Ryan Slam President Obama For Spending Too Little
When it comes to fiscal issues, Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan want voters to know they’re collectively disgusted by what they see as a reckless government spending spree under President Obama the past three years.
But in a twist, they’re also contending that Obama’s government hasn’t stepped in enough to help Americans. It’s the political equivalent of “This food is terrible — and such small portions!”
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:10:41pm |
re: #31 Kragar
Romney, Ryan Slam President Obama For Spending Too Little
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Wut? I thought the problem was that he was too big a spender. Gosh Mitt and Paul, pick a narrative and at least have the nuts to stay with it.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:11:15pm |
re: #32 HappyWarrior
Wut? I thought the problem was that he was too big a spender. Gosh Mitt and Paul, pick a narrative and at least have the nuts to stay with it.
PICK ALL THE NARRATIVES!!!
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:12:25pm |
re: #32 HappyWarrior
Wut? I thought the problem was that he was too big a spender. Gosh Mitt and Paul, pick a narrative and at least have the nuts to stay with it.
They have...it goes like this:
HE'S A NEGRO!
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:14:13pm |
re: #34 darthstar
They have...it goes like this:
Maybe they can get Gabby Johnson to be a surrogate for them but if I recall Blazing Saddles correctly, Gabby and the other Johnsons in Rock Ridge, they came to accept Black Bart as a capable sheriff.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:20:40pm |
Hey @chucktodd you're still out there? twitter.com/theonlyadult/s...— BWD (@theonlyadult) August 17, 2012
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:20:57pm |
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:23:09pm |
RT @dittowatch: ? RT @thinkprogress Dow Jones closes at 13,275.20, a 4.5 year high #socialism || Drowning in the tricklings— David Waldman (@KagroX) August 17, 2012
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:27:13pm |
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dragonath Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:28:13pm |
re: #30 dragonfire1981
I think the Bloc might have radicalized when they lost almost all their federal seats to the NDP. They lost their national vote and the Quebecois left in one fell swoop.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:34:25pm |
Paul Ryan Heckled At Town Hall: 'Why Did You Lie About Accepting Stimulus Funds?' thkpr.gs/QKf2ls via @thinkprogress— BWD (@theonlyadult) August 17, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:39:19pm |
re: #40 Killgore Trout
No, I'm up here now.
;)
A total kook over there... basically thinks there isn't much difference between Nazis and Zionists.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:41:02pm |
re: #42 darthstar
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I like how Think Progess deceptively titled their video "Paul Ryan Booed" . The audience was reacting to the heckler.
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:42:43pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I like how Think Progess deceptively titled their video "Paul Ryan Booed" . The audience was reacting to the heckler.
DECEPTIVE INDEED!!!
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:43:52pm |
Oliver Stone @TheOliverStone
RT @AnonyOps: Former ambassador blows whistle on Obama. The US is behind this push to get Assange: [Link: www.craigmurray.org.uk...] …
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darthstar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:46:36pm |
Okay...time to pull on the Speedo and swim some laps.
Have a good evening, everyone.
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:47:22pm |
Russia issues warning to Britain over Assange
AFP - Russia on Friday warned Britain against violating fundamental diplomatic principles after London suggested it could arrest WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange inside Ecuador's embassy.
"What is happening gives grounds to contemplate the observance of the spirit and the letter of the Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations, and in particular the Article 22 spelling out the inviolability of diplomatic premises," the Russian foreign ministry said.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:47:59pm |
re: #43 NJDhockeyfan
A total kook over there... basically thinks there isn't much difference between Nazis and Zionists.
Yeah, I googled the name and I suspect it's a person drawn in by the anti Zionist subject matter and probably detects an opening for Mondoweiss supporters here.
False Mondoweiss fund raiser written by 9/11 truther and Haider admirer
Chayma said...
Start with the codification of the Talmud, that’s something you took from us. Then show me what Nazism and communism gave comparitively
...
As for Islam it will go from strength to strength, just as foretold, and we were foretold about those who would oppose it, (like yourself) and their fates. History has proven that. History is proving that. And History will continue to prove that.
...My problem is that a site (Mondoweiss) was critiqued for being anti Semitic, when Islamophobia (Geller and Spencer have been sourced in postings) is endorsed here.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:49:57pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I googled the name and I suspect it's a person drawn in by the anti Zionist subject matter and probably detects an opening for Mondoweiss supporters here.
False Mondoweiss fund raiser written by 9/11 truther and Haider admirer
Ah, I see you found that too.
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blueraven Fri, Aug 17, 2012 3:53:42pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:07:32pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
I just saw Chayma posts at Richard Silverstein's blog too.
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:09:44pm |
re: #54 makeitstop
I guess they're trying to travel back in time, to a period of time where Obama was less popular than them.
It's not working.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:10:39pm |
re: #25 darthstar
Oh, wait...you're in Canada...never mind. I'm sure if you call the pharmacy they can call and get the Rx renewed.
They can.
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:12:04pm |
re: #55 JamesWI
I guess they're trying to travel back in time, to a period of time where Obama was less popular than them.
It's not working.
And the setup is pretty cheesy.
Over the last three days, Ryan’s made the exact same teleprompter joke at least three times. The formula is simple: As Ryan is talking about Obama and the changes coming under a Romney-Ryan administration, someone in the audience yells out that Ryan’s using no teleprompter. He acknowledges the supporter, repeats the joke and everyone has a good laugh.
Gee, what are the odds that three different people in three completely different crowds would yell out that Ryan isn't using a prompter?
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blueraven Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:30:35pm |
re: #45 blueraven
Friday Night News Dump
Paul Ryan and his wife, Janna, paid an effective tax rate of 15.9% in 2010 and 20% in 2011, according to tax returns provided by the Romney-Ryan campaign to the Journal Sentinel on Friday.
In 2010, Ryan and his wife paid $34,233 in federal taxes on $215,417 of adjusted gross income.
In 2011, they paid $64,764 in federal taxes on $323,416 of adjusted gross income.
[---]
in 2010, the couple reported $39,013 in income from "rental real estate, royalties, partnerships, S corporations, trust, etc."
In 2011, the Ryan reported $116,143 in income from the same category of sources.
A Ryan aide told the Journal Sentinel last week that much of Ryan's investment income is from holdings that belonged to his wife.
"As these are properties Rep. Ryan 'married into,' for lack of a better term," Ryan spokesman Kevin Seifert said last week, "he does not play an active role in them and has no plans to."
Seifert said last week that the Ryans' investments include several companies that lease land and mineral rights to energy companies.
Ryan also has assets passed down through his own family.
Federal financial disclosure forms show that last year Ryan, 42, had assets of between $2.1 million and $7.8 million - figures that include a trust valued at between $1 million and $5 million that belonged to his wife after her mother died in 2010.
[---]The Ryans filed a corrected return in 2011 after their original return understated their income by $61,122.
According to campaign spokesman Brendan Buck, that additional income related to a holding called the Prudence Little Living Trust:
"The required K-1 form from the Prudence Little Living Trust had not been received by the filing deadlines for the PFD (Personal Financial Disclosure) and the tax return, and therefore was omitted on the originally-filed documents. When the K-1 form was later received, the omission was realized and corrected," said Buck.
OK I guess its easy to forget about over 60,000 of income. /
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CuriousLurker Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:31:18pm |
re: #57 makeitstop
I've noticed something else Ryan does in the couple of interviews I've seen with him so far: When he's trying to change the subject and/or evade giving specific answers to questions about unpopular parts of his budget proposal, he'll start using terminology that would make the average person's eyes glaze over, then he tries to brush it off as "just a bunch of wonky stuff". Watch him next time and you'll see.
God forbid he should try to explain things in layman's terms so that people can actually understand what he proposed. The problem for him is if he doesn't explain it, I'm sure President Obama will be more than happy to do it for him.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:33:50pm |
Agh sick of this Americans for Prosperity ad that acts like all the troubles since Obama's been elected are all his fault. Why don't you tell us about the opposition that filibusterers every thing he tries to do or does that not fit your narrative?
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:38:56pm |
re: #61 HappyWarrior
Agh sick of this Americans for Prosperity ad that acts like all the troubles since Obama's been elected are all his fault. Why don't you tell us about the opposition that filibusterers every thing he tries to do or does that not fit your narrative?
No.
Obama is Executive Magical Emperor.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:40:01pm |
re: #62 The Ghost of a Flea
No.
Obama is Executive Magical Emperor.
Oops I totally forgot. He's also responsible for everything that's gone wrong and not responsible for anything that's gone right.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:41:47pm |
Breitbart has video of some lady disrupting a Mitt event. She literally spits in the face of a Mitt supporter asking her to let other people talk. What a sad people we've become.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:42:07pm |
re: #63 HappyWarrior
Oops I totally forgot. He's also responsible for everything that's gone wrong and not responsible for anything that's gone right in the entire space-time continuum, but especially in 2008.
FTFY
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Sheila Broflovski Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:42:27pm |
re: #59 CuriousLurker
I've noticed something else Ryan does in the couple of interviews I've seen with him so far: When he's trying to change the subject and/or evade giving specific answers to questions about unpopular parts of his budget proposal, he'll start using terminology that would make the average person's eyes glaze over, then he tries to brush it off as "just a bunch of wonky stuff". Watch him next time and you'll see.
God forbid he should try to explain things in layman's terms so that people can actually understand what he proposed. The problem for him is if he doesn't explain it, I'm sure President Obama will be more than happy to do it for him.
"If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit!" -- W.C. Fields.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:44:09pm |
Protester spits on Romney supporter in Wisconsin (With video)
During Darling’s remarks, the protester, Mary Hoglund, 83, of Appleton, interrupted the event to ask about Republican opposition to Planned Parenthood.
A local Romney supporter began arguing with Hoglund, who then spit in her face. Hoglund was escorted out, and received medical attention for a scratch she received on her neck.
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freetoken Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:44:13pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Breitbart has video of some lady disrupting a Mitt event. She literally spits in the face of a Mitt supporter asking her to let other people talk. What a sad people we've become.
We're pretty much the same we've been since the Civil War.
I suspect if you could go back to the neolithic you'd be surprised.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:49:02pm |
Protester spits on Romney supporter in Wisconsin
During Darling’s remarks, the protester, Mary Hoglund, 83, of Appleton, interrupted the event to ask about Republican opposition to Planned Parenthood.
A local Romney supporter began arguing with Hoglund, who then spit in her face. Hoglund was escorted out, and received medical attention for a scratch she received on her neck.
The supporter declined to give her name as she left the event, but said she was unharmed.
Hoglund said she was attacked inside the event, hosted at Hanson Benefits. The event was part of a statewide tour kicking off “Wisconsin Women for Mitt.”
Grand Chute police are reviewing the altercation for potential charges. Hoglund was taken away in an ambulance with what appeared to be minor injuries, including the scratch.
Interesting narrative gap about where the 83-year-old woman got minor injuries.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:49:43pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Breitbart has video of some lady disrupting a Mitt event. She literally spits in the face of a Mitt supporter asking her to let other people talk. What a sad people we've become.
More:
Hoglund said she was attacked inside the event, hosted at Hanson Benefits. The event was part of a statewide tour kicking off "Wisconsin Women for Mitt."
Grand Chute police are reviewing the altercation for potential charges. Hoglund was taken away in an ambulance with what appeared to be minor injuries, including the scratch.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:52:22pm |
TEA. Taxed Enough Already MO FO'S. Complete hypocrites that use that rally cry then say it's ok, if you are IN GOVERNMENT, or are an OVERSEAS JOB CREATOR.
head bang squared.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:53:47pm |
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:54:31pm |
re: #69 The Ghost of a Flea
Protester spits on Romney supporter in Wisconsin
Interesting narrative gap about where the 83-year-old woman got minor injuries.
I just like how Killgore lectures us frequently about how he doesn't read or take stock in biased liberal news sources but will swallow and regurgitate from Breitbart hook, line, sinker and tackle box.
That's how one establishes their independent bonafides.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:54:38pm |
[Deleted because I was typing in a moment of anger and would regret what I said shortly after.]
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:56:48pm |
re: #73 goddamnedfrank
I just like how Killgore lectures us frequently about how he doesn't read or take stock in biased liberal news sources but will swallow and regurgitate from Breitbart hook, line, sinker and tackle box.
That's how one establishes their independent bonafides.
The video clearly shows the lady spitting on the Romney supporter unprovoked. I think legally that's considered assault. The fact that she got a scratch on her neck seems to the the result of the assault she initiated. The spitter is not the victim here.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:57:03pm |
re: #22 b_sharp
A couple of days ago I mentioned I've been off my meds for a few days. Well now I'm severely dizzy if I move my head and I've got the 'brain zaps'.
Sounds like Effexor. Or maybe Cymbalta. Effexor worked like a charm for me, but the reason it worked is because Effexor has a tendency to induce manic episodes in bi-polars. Incidentally, this is how we discovered I'm bi-polar. Luckly, I didn't get the CRAZIES. I did, however, get really impulsive. For example, I became convinced I was The Most Interesting Man In The World. I don't always hit on married women, but when I do, it's because I'm taking Effexor.
But OH GOD the brain shivers. I would get them within hours of missing a dose. The dizziness with turning the head. Mine was like little "pulses" of dizziness (in sync with the electro-zaps), not a sustained feeling. Very unpleasant, but you'd be surprised what you can get used to. Eventually I decided I'd had enough of that, and ended up with a better doc and actually effective treatment.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 4:58:51pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:01:44pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
The video clearly shows the lady spitting on the Romney supporter unprovoked. I think legally that's considered assault. The fact that she got a scratch on her neck seems to the the result of the assault she initiated. The spitter is not the victim here.
You don't get to commit battery (physical) because someone else committed assault (non-physical).
Same article:
Romney protester Kathy Lefebvre, of Green Bay, was escorted out with Hoglund.
"I've never experienced anything like that before, to me it's unacceptable," Lefebvre said. "Getting upset is one thing, but (Romney supporters) attacked Mary."
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:03:02pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
Ninth Circuit: Intentional Spitting on Another Is Simple Assault
Justly so, since saliva can carry germs and is just plain nasty besides. Of course, if someone was sicken by having been spit upon they or their insurance company could sue for any losses they incurred.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:03:21pm |
Fucking posting Breitbart at LGF.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:04:34pm |
re: #78 The Ghost of a Flea
You don't get to commit battery (physical) because someone else committed assault (non-physical).
Spitting on someone is physical, and if you assault someone I am allowed to act to stop the assault. Further, the loony protestor wasn't hurt beyond a scratch, so its hard to claim excessive force.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:05:20pm |
re: #79 Dark_Falcon
Justly so, since saliva can carry germs and is just plain nasty besides. Of course, if someone was sicken by having been spit upon they or their insurance company could sue for any losses they incurred.
Spitting assault also caries a 6 month jail sentence.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:06:27pm |
re: #81 Dark_Falcon
Spitting on someone is physical, and if you assault someone I am allowed to act to stop the assault. Further, the loony protestor wasn't hurt beyond a scratch, so its hard to claim excessive force.
From looking at the video I think it's just absurd to think the woman who was spit on would be charged.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:06:48pm |
re: #81 Dark_Falcon
Spitting on someone is physical, and if you assault someone I am allowed to act to stop the assault. Further, the loony protestor wasn't hurt beyond a scratch, so its hard to claim excessive force.
Spitting is simple assault; simple assault is
Simple assault can be distinguished without the intent of injury upon another person. The violation of one's personal space or touching in a way the victim deemed inappropriate can be simple assault. In common law states an assault is not committed by merely, for example, swearing at another; without threat of battery, there can be no assault.
And the lady had to be tended in an ambulance for "minor injuries, including the scratch."
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:07:58pm |
Big Joe, why did you upding my #79 and then downding #81? They were largely part of the same point.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:08:19pm |
I dunno. I have a hard time believing a 83 year old spat on someone unprovoked.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:10:49pm |
re: #83 Killgore Trout
From looking at the video I think it's just absurd to think the woman who was spit on would be charged.
Likely neither of them will be charged with much if anything. If they were men maybe, but the law normally goes easier on women* and for good reason.
8: As men do not get pregnant, abortion laws are to be considered excluded from the scope this general comment I made. On the matter of abortion, the law is by definition tougher on women.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:10:56pm |
And, we've been Breitbarted.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:10:59pm |
re: #86 HappyWarrior
I dunno. I have a hard time believing a 83 year old spat on someone unprovoked.
Did you watch the video? Do you think she was spitting in self defense.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:11:38pm |
re: #87 Dark_Falcon
Likely neither of them will be charged with much if anything. If they were men maybe, but the law normally goes easier on women* and for good reason.
8: As men do not get pregnant, abortion laws are to be considered excluded from the scope this general comment I made. On the matter of abortion, the law is by definition tougher on women.
Also they're both elderly. Charges are unlikely.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:14:13pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
The video clearly shows the lady spitting on the Romney supporter unprovoked. I think legally that's considered assault. The fact that she got a scratch on her neck seems to the the result of the assault she initiated. The spitter is not the victim here.
Touching someone without their permission is assault too. It's the other two women who initiate physical contact and get in her face.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:14:23pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Did you watch the video? Do you think she was spitting in self defense.
After seeing the video, no. She was out of bounds.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:14:32pm |
re: #86 HappyWarrior
I dunno. I have a hard time believing a 83 year old spat on someone unprovoked.
Sadly, I saw the video and that is what she did. At most, the other woman laid her hand on the spitter's shoulder previously (though the hand was removed prior to the spitting).
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Only The Lurker Knows Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:15:16pm |
Late to the show. But did not find it funny.
Just me, being me
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:15:42pm |
re: #91 goddamnedfrank
Touching someone without their permission is assault too. It's the other two women who initiate physical contact and get in her face.
Saw that too. Looks like both parties acted inappropriately.
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Big Joe Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:16:06pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, I saw the video and that is what she did. At most, the other woman laid her hand on the spitter's shoulder previously (though the hand was removed prior to the spitting).
That's battery.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:17:41pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, I saw the video and that is what she did. At most, the other woman laid her hand on the spitter's shoulder previously (though the hand was removed prior to the spitting).
I think they both were out of bounds. Spitting on someone sucks but so does putting your hands on someone's shoulders like that.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:18:14pm |
Here we go again. Right wing propaganda, from Breitbart.com straight to LGF.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:18:18pm |
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Tigger2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:19:05pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Breitbart has video of some lady disrupting a Mitt event. She literally spits in the face of a Mitt supporter asking her to let other people talk. What a sad people we've become.
That sounds like the teabaggers at the health care town halls and the person that spit on the Black Caucas walking to the Capital building to vote on the bill . I don't think I will get upset about it. Kind of poetic justice.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:20:08pm |
re: #98 Charles Johnson
Here we go again. Right wing propaganda, from Breitbart.com straight to LGF.
What propaganda? It was an article in a local newspaper.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:20:40pm |
re: #93 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, I saw the video and that is what she did. At most, the other woman laid her hand on the spitter's shoulder previously (though the hand was removed prior to the spitting).
Touching someone you don't know isn't acceptable. Touching someone without their permission isn't acceptable. In all circumstances, barring some kind of medical emergency. "She was being rude" doesn't hack it.
I think spitting is disgusting and disrepectful in the extreme, and don't approve of Mrs Hogland's behavior...and think she should get some kind of legal penalty...but it is not okay to take hold of a person like that.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:20:48pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
The video clearly shows the lady spitting on the Romney supporter unprovoked. I think legally that's considered assault. The fact that she got a scratch on her neck seems to the the result of the assault she initiated. The spitter is not the victim here.
I just watched the video in full screen mode (the one Ghost of a Flea linked to) and as Hoglund spoke it showed the other old woman putting her left hand (with the water bottle) on Hoglund's arm as she aggressively leaned into to her face just inches from her nose, at which point Hoglund spit in her face. She then backed away from Hoglund, hit her on the side of the face with her right hand, grabbed her by the collar & yanked on it, then hit her on top of the head, at which point she was pulled off of Hoglund.
Hoglund was wrong to be disruptive, and even though the other woman was WAY inside her personal space, she shouldn't have spit. Still, the other woman is the one who got physically aggressive first. Her post-spitting blows and grabbing of Hoglund's collar (undoubtedly where the scratches came from) hardly constitutes self-defense since Hoglund never once laid a hand on the woman—it was pure retaliation.
You must've watched a completely different video than I did.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:21:19pm |
Apropos of nothing, I used a vacation day I originally planned to use to go to GenCon and went up to Wisconsin with my family today. A decent time was had by all, but the biggest highlight was finding a BP station selling regular unleaded at $3.89 per gallon.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:21:49pm |
re: #95 HappyWarrior
Saw that too. Looks like both parties acted inappropriately.
Bunch of old ladies getting their crank on. The spitting was pretty ridiculous and uncalled for but so is the idea that people feel it's okay to touch others without their permission, turn them around and get in their face without taking ownership for escalating the situation. The spitting victim was also well within range where she could have been letting spittle fly accidentally as she yelled at Hoglund. That's often how shit like this happens.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:21:52pm |
re: #102 The Ghost of a Flea
Touching someone you don't know isn't acceptable. Touching someone without their permission isn't acceptable. In all circumstances, barring some kind of medical emergency. "She was being rude" doesn't hack it.
I think spitting is disgusting and disrepectful in the extreme, and don't approve of Mrs Hogland's behavior...and think she should get some kind of legal penalty...but it is not okay to take hold of a person like that.
Yeah, this is how I feel after seeing the video. You just don't do that to someone. Likewise, you don't spit on someone. Ultimately, this proves nothing honestly about either candidate.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:24:29pm |
re: #103 CuriousLurker
I just watched the video in full screen mode (the one Ghost of a Flea linked to) and as Hoglund spoke it showed the other old woman putting her left hand (with the water bottle) on Hoglund's arm as she aggressively leaned into to her face just inches from her nose, at which point Hoglund spit in her face. She then backed away from Hoglund, hit her on the side of the face with her right hand, grabbed her by the collar & yanked on it, then hit her on top of the head, at which point she was pulled off of Hoglund.
Hoglund was wrong to be disruptive, and even though the other woman was WAY inside her personal space, she shouldn't have spit. Still, the other woman is the one who got physically aggressive first. Her post-spitting blows and grabbing of Hoglund's collar (undoubtedly where the scratches came from) hardly constitutes self-defense since Hoglund never once laid a hand on the woman—her blows to Hoglund's face and grabbing of her neck/collar were pure retaliation.
You must've watched a completely different video than I did.
True, though I must point out that if another man spat in my face, he'd get worse than some scratches from me. But then again, if this had been a crowd of men, the spitter (if also male) probably would have been knocked down and kicked.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:25:17pm |
re: #107 Dark_Falcon
True, though I must point out that if another man spat in my face, he'd get worse than some scratches from me. But then again, if this had been a crowd of men, the spitter (if also male) probably would have been knocked down and kicked.
And you'd all be guilty of battery.
Addendum: I'm not saying that as a diss. Straight up--you'd all be guilty of battery, and everyone other than the person who got spit on could expect a longer sentence or even a bump to aggravated battery.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:25:54pm |
re: #103 CuriousLurker
I watched it too, and you're correct - the woman who spit was not the aggressor, very obviously. She was being inappropriately touched, and the other woman was getting right up in her face and yelling.
I'm not going for the wingnut spin on this either.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:28:31pm |
re: #100 Tigger2
That sounds like the teabaggers at the health care town halls and the person that spit on the Black Caucas walking to the Capital building to vote on the bill . I don't think I will get upset about it. Kind of poetic justice.
Good luck with that.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:30:55pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I like how Think Progess deceptively titled their video "Paul Ryan Booed" . The audience was reacting to the heckler.
That isn't the title I see.
Paul Ryan Heckled At Town Hall: ‘Why Did You Lie About Accepting Stimulus Funds?’
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:32:34pm |
re: #48 darthstar
Okay...time to pull on the Speedo and swim some laps.
Have a good evening, everyone.
I need some brain bleach after that image.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:33:03pm |
re: #109 Charles Johnson
I watched it too, and you're correct - the woman who spit was not the aggressor, very obviously. She was being inappropriately touched, and the other woman was getting right up in her face and yelling.
I'm not going for the wingnut spin on this either.
I resent the way that context was stripped from the incident to create the "outrage" narrative. Or the omission of the GIANT DETAIL that then the old lady was grabbed before she "spit"--which at the range the other lady was at, might not even have been intentional--and then was wailed on by someone.
That is some manipulative bullshit. What a sad people we've become..//
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Tigger2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:33:17pm |
re: #110 Killgore Trout
Good luck with that.
Did you watch any of the Videos of the disgusting bagger disrupting the Health care town hall and did you see the Video of the Paul Rand supporters knocking that lady protesting down and step on her head.
If you Republicans want to be treated with respect you need to start treating people with respect.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:33:22pm |
re: #103 CuriousLurker
I just watched the video in full screen mode (the one Ghost of a Flea linked to) and as Hoglund spoke it showed the other old woman putting her left hand (with the water bottle) on Hoglund's arm as she aggressively leaned into to her face just inches from her nose, at which point Hoglund spit in her face. She then backed away from Hoglund, hit her on the side of the face with her right hand, grabbed her by the collar & yanked on it, then hit her on top of the head, at which point she was pulled off of Hoglund.
Hoglund was wrong to be disruptive, and even though the other woman was WAY inside her personal space, she shouldn't have spit. Still, the other woman is the one who got physically aggressive first. Her post-spitting blows and grabbing of Hoglund's collar (undoubtedly where the scratches came from) hardly constitutes self-defense since Hoglund never once laid a hand on the woman—it was pure retaliation.
You must've watched a completely different video than I did.
I watched again. The two women are standing shoulder to shoulder at the start of the video. Possibly even touching. It's a small crowded room. I'm sorry but I just don't believe you can interrupt someone else's political event and then spit in their face when they ask you to let other people speak. It's just not how it works.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:33:42pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
I like how Think Progess deceptively titled their video "Paul Ryan Booed" . The audience was reacting to the heckler.
They did not title it "Paul Ryan Booed." It's titled "Paul Ryan Heckled at Town Hall."
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:34:00pm |
re: #114 Tigger2
Did you watch any of the Videos of the disgusting bagger disrupting the Health care town hall and did you see the Video of the Paul Rand supporters knocking that lady protesting down and step on her head.
If you Republicans want to be treated with respect you need to start treating people with respect.
I watched the videos and was one of the loudest voices here denouncing them.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:34:28pm |
re: #108 The Ghost of a Flea
And you'd all be guilty of battery.
It is what is. There some situations where I'm pretty sure that I'd be past reason being able to control me. Spitting in my face in front of my friends would be one of them.
That having been said, I would not have put my hand on the other person to begin with.
And if that woman had spat on my face? I would have lifted a magazine or other paper to block her from doing it again and then demanded her removal from the building. I would not strike an elderly woman, period. To do so would be honorless.
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Tigger2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:35:24pm |
re: #117 Killgore Trout
I watched the videos and was one of the loudest voices here denouncing them.
I wasn't here then you might have, If you did I commend you for that.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:35:56pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:36:13pm |
re: #117 Killgore Trout
I watched the videos and was one of the loudest voices here denouncing them.
You missed the 'you Republicans' part.
Outrage!
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:36:55pm |
re: #116 Charles Johnson
They did not title it "Paul Ryan Booed."
Click the link to youtube
Paul Ryan booed
Uploaded to the Think Progress youtube channel. That's the title they gave it.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:38:25pm |
re: #121 wrenchwench
You missed the 'you Republicans' part.
Outrage!
I've become so used to it that I don't even notice anymore. It takes too long to explain and nobody understands anyways.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:38:33pm |
re: #122 Killgore Trout
Oh, you meant the video -- correct, it is titled "Paul Ryan booed." And you think this was done deliberately to deceive, unlike Breitbart.com leaving out all the context in their "spitting" article?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:38:58pm |
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wrenchwench Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:40:27pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
I've become so used to it that I don't even notice anymore. It takes too long to explain and nobody understands anyways.
'Inexplicable' seems to be more of a goal than a side effect.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:40:31pm |
re: #124 Charles Johnson
Oh, you meant the video -- correct, it is titled "Paul Ryan booed." And you think this was done deliberately to deceive, unlike Breitbart.com leaving out all the context in their "spitting" article?
I'd just call it standard bias. Think Progress is a left-wing organization, and one can expect them to title things in a way that fits their frame of thought. It's not intentional deception.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:40:49pm |
That was pretty clever of ThinkProgress to deceive the readers by titling a video "Paul Ryan Booed," then writing an article that describes the incident and titling THAT "Paul Ryan Heckled." Tricky liberals with their tricky deceptions.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:41:04pm |
re: #124 Charles Johnson
Oh, you meant the video -- correct, it is titled "Paul Ryan booed." And you think this was done deliberately to deceive, unlike Breitbart.com leaving out all the context in their "spitting" article?
I never saw the Breitbart spitting article. I just saw the proprietary video posted at hot air. The link I posted was to a local news source with video and full context in tact. I still don't support disrupting Romney events and spitting on supporters.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:41:36pm |
re: #113 The Ghost of a Flea
I resent the way that context was stripped from the incident to create the "outrage" narrative. Or the omission of the GIANT DETAIL that then the old lady was grabbed before she "spit"--which at the range the other lady was at, might not even have been intentional--and then was wailed on by someone.
That is some manipulative bullshit. What a sad people we've become..//
Propaganda.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:41:43pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Protester spits on Romney supporter in Wisconsin (With video)
My Dog, the horror!
Why is this newsworthy?
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:42:42pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
I never saw the Breitbart spitting article. I just saw the proprietary video posted at hot air. The link I posted was to a local news source with video and full context in tact. I still don't support disrupting Romney events and spitting on supporters.
"Disrupting Romney events?"
The video I watched showed her asking ONE question, and not in a rude or insulting manner at all. How do you figure this was "disrupting?"
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:42:45pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
I never saw the Breitbart spitting article. I just saw the proprietary video posted at hot air. The link I posted was to a local news source with video and full context in tact. I still don't support disrupting Romney events and spitting on supporters.
Breitbart bad, Hot Air ok. Whatever KT, you are trolling right wing sites to get your "material"
and you got the response needed.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:43:03pm |
re: #74 The Ghost of a Flea
[Deleted because I was typing in a moment of anger and would regret what I said shortly after.]
You have robbed us of your angry wisdom, which sometimes is a purer and more accurate reaction than objectivity.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:43:06pm |
Going to need a flak gun to shoot down all these fairies...
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blueraven Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:44:20pm |
Wow, is this really relevant? Two old ladies behaving badly. This is big story at Brietbart and brought here for serious discussion. Really? Why?
Looks to me like all these ladies are pretty intimate. Looks like maybe a feud worthy of Steel Magnolias.
Stupid.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:44:44pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
I've become so used to it that I don't even notice anymore. It takes too long to explain and nobody understands anyways.
Martyr
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:44:58pm |
re: #132 Charles Johnson
"Disrupting Romney events?"
The video I watched showed her asking ONE question, and not in a rude or insulting manner at all. How do you figure this was "disrupting?"
Because she would stop talking and let the speaker answer her question. They were asking her to stop interrupting and listen to the speaker when she spit on them.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:45:31pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
Because she would stop talking and let the speaker answer her question. They were asking her to stop interrupting and listen to the speaker when she spit on them.
No, the other woman was getting up in her face and yelling at her.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:45:38pm |
re: #135 Varek Raith
Going to need a flak gun to shoot down all these fairies...
Putin's got you covered for that need:
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bratwurst Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:46:13pm |
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jaunte Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:46:49pm |
At a Virginia town hall Friday, a man interrupted vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan and asked him why he denied securing more than $20 million in stimulus funds for a local energy efficiency organization. He yelled, “Why did you lie about accepting stimulus funds.” Laughing off the question, Ryan simply moved on where he left off.
Romney/Ryan: the badly faked laugh ticket.
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:46:52pm |
re: #13 darthstar
Okay...who needs BLR when you have Mitt Romney? Now he's accusing our overspending president of spending too little?
I think their strategy is simply to say such asinine shit that people walk into the polls so confused and dizzy that they simply vote for them in an attempt to stab their names to death with the punch tool.
Good thing we have electronic voting machines in Nevada.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:47:15pm |
re: #135 Varek Raith
Going to need a flak gun to shoot down all these fairies...
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makeitstop Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:48:29pm |
A joke...
A conservative, a liberal and a moderate walk into a restaurant. They are seated at a table. A few moments later, the waitress comes up and asks, "What'll you have, Mr. Romney?"
I'll be here all week!
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:48:34pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:48:43pm |
re: #138 Killgore Trout
The woman said, "Then why are you against Planned Parenthood? If women are in need, you're getting rid of an organization..."
And at that point the Romney supporters started yelling at her, and the other woman got in her face.
Sorry, calling this "disrupting" is absurd.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:48:56pm |
re: #141 bratwurst
The President had this to say to Killgore:
Takes too long to explain and nobody understands anyway
Perfect martyr blog etiquette.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:49:24pm |
re: #76 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
Sounds like Effexor. Or maybe Cymbalta. Effexor worked like a charm for me, but the reason it worked is because Effexor has a tendency to induce manic episodes in bi-polars. Incidentally, this is how we discovered I'm bi-polar. Luckly, I didn't get the CRAZIES. I did, however, get really impulsive. For example, I became convinced I was The Most Interesting Man In The World. I don't always hit on married women, but when I do, it's because I'm taking Effexor.
But OH GOD the brain shivers. I would get them within hours of missing a dose. The dizziness with turning the head. Mine was like little "pulses" of dizziness (in sync with the electro-zaps), not a sustained feeling. Very unpleasant, but you'd be surprised what you can get used to. Eventually I decided I'd had enough of that, and ended up with a better doc and actually effective treatment.
I've had this before, but usually at a lower level. This time I just stopped taking my Effexor rather than slowly weaning myself off of them.
Funny that your response to Effexor is so dissimilar to mine. I tend to have larger swings without Effexor than with. My problem with Effexor is the incessant suicidal ideation.
BTW, I Am The Most Interesting Man In The World.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:49:56pm |
re: #77 Killgore Trout
Ninth Circuit: Intentional Spitting on Another Is Simple Assault
Is this going to be your new OWS?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:51:14pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:51:36pm |
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Tigger2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:52:24pm |
re: #150 b_sharp
Is this going to be your new OWS?
It's always one right wing cause after another any one will do if it's against the Dem's.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:52:41pm |
re: #151 b_sharp
You didn't get pissed when I did it.
I think yours was to laugh? Otherwise, I'm at fault for not reaming your ass.
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jaunte Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:52:52pm |
I'm not really much of a spitter, but if someone pushes their face up to within 3 inches of mine and gets loud, who knows.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:52:57pm |
re: #86 HappyWarrior
I dunno. I have a hard time believing a 83 year old spat on someone unprovoked.
She was vocally harassed repeatedly by the other woman.
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:54:00pm |
Remember all those times Killgore whined about people's sources for stories because they had a "liberal" bent?
Yeah, funny thing about that.....
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:54:23pm |
re: #153 Tigger2
It's always one right wing cause after another any one will do if it's against the Dem's.
And a successful, day after day after day, thread jack.
I would never know what was on Breitbart or HOT AIR, unless Charles showcased the absurdity.
But lately, its part of the LGF news feed.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:54:30pm |
re: #141 bratwurst
BW, I should tell you that there some schedule changes to two of the Pace routes in or near Des Plaines. The 210 and 226 have schedule changes.
I don't know if you ride the bus, but I felt I should tell you.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:54:41pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:54:44pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
BW, I should tell you that there some schedule changes to two of the Pace routes in or near Des Plaines. The 210 and 226 have schedule or route changes.
I don't know if you ride the bus, but I felt I should tell you.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:55:39pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
I watched again. The two women are standing shoulder to shoulder at the start of the video. Possibly even touching. It's a small crowded room. I'm sorry but I just don't believe you can interrupt someone else's political event and then spit in their face when they ask you to let other people speak. It's just not how it works.
Really? Is that how it happened? They asked her to let others speak and she spit in their face, nothing happened in between? Hmm, well I'll be darned. I guess that'll teach me to believe my lying eyes. //
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:56:34pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
It's a FUCKING non-Fucking-Issue!
It's a private citizen having a dispute with another private citizen.
There is no room for Guilt By Association in the incident!
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alpuz Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:57:48pm |
re: #147 Charles Johnson
"Then why are you against Planned Parenthood? If women are in need, you're getting rid of an organization..."
Yep, and she was spot on right. Good for her, she's been paying attention. She most likely knows that WisGOP was anything but gracious towards women during their 'special session on jobs' where they focused on social issues. Ryan and Romney kicking off their Romney for women bullshit express in Wisconsin probably has more than few 83 year old women fighting off the urge to huck a loogie. Especially after the blitzkrieg of all out lies from team GOP that saturated the airwaves over the last year.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:57:55pm |
re: #147 Charles Johnson
The woman said, "Then why are you against Planned Parenthood? If women are in need, you're getting rid of an organization..."
And at that point the Romney supporters started yelling at her, and the other woman got in her face.
Sorry, calling this "disrupting" is absurd.
I've watched the video several times and I'm going to stick with my radical anti-spitting agenda. We aren't going to agree on this one.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:58:28pm |
re: #166 Killgore Trout
I've watched the video several times and I'm going to stick with my radical anti-spitting agenda.
This is my totally unsurprised face.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:59:07pm |
re: #166 Killgore Trout
I've watched the video several times and I'm going to stick with my radical anti-spitting agenda. We aren't going to agree on this one.
You are not radical.
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jaunte Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:59:20pm |
Laughing Romney (heheheheh) still hasn't released his FBAR, or as many tax records as he asked to see from his VP.
Laughing Ryan (heheheheh) still lying about asking for stimulus funds.
...
Spit take.
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 5:59:26pm |
Predicting a future comment:
"I guess I'm the only one who doesn't approve of spitting on people, regardless of their political views!!!!!"
WAR ON FACTS!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:00:34pm |
re: #115 Killgore Trout
I watched again. The two women are standing shoulder to shoulder at the start of the video. Possibly even touching. It's a small crowded room. I'm sorry but I just don't believe you can interrupt someone else's political event and then spit in their face when they ask you to let other people speak. It's just not how it works.
They grabbed her first. They spun her around. The other woman got in her face and yelled at her all because she asked one question.
At that point she lost her shit and spit, which was in no way acceptable.
You either seem to have decided to act like a fundamentally dishonest person or you're simply intellectually incapable of comprehending nuance or context squarely. You're far more comfortable dismissing uncomfortable facts that don't fit into the narrative you're trying to create.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:00:43pm |
re: #164 b_sharp
It's a FUCKING non-Fucking-Issue!
It's a private citizen having a dispute with another private citizen.
There is no room for Guilt By Association in the incident!
Calm down, I agree with that statement. And I wasn't trying to do that. I didn't see the newspaper article trying to blame Obama by association either.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:01:52pm |
re: #129 Killgore Trout
I never saw the Breitbart spitting article. I just saw the proprietary video posted at hot air. The link I posted was to a local news source with video and full context in tact. I still don't support disrupting Romney events and spitting on supporters.
Disrupting political events is an old and honoured tradition.
Why should this election be any different?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:02:06pm |
CL, ot, read your post on Alouette's pg, so Ramadan was delayed for a day unbeknownst to you all? Surprise!?
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:02:41pm |
re: #169 jaunte
Laughing Romney (heheheheh) still hasn't released his FBAR, or as many tax records as he asked to see from his VP.
Laughing Ryan (heheheheh) still lying about asking for stimulus funds.
...
Spit take.
I thought Ryan finally came honest about it. I mean he was pressed with actual letters about it but I thought he admitted. Though I did see something tonight about him claiming he didn't understand or some passive aggressive shit like that.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:02:52pm |
re: #166 Killgore Trout
I've watched the video several times and I'm going to stick with my radical anti-spitting agenda. We aren't going to agree on this one.
I dipped your martyr cookie in hot fudge, Killgore. It's my grandmother's recipe, you'll love it.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:04:19pm |
re: #173 b_sharp
Disrupting political events is an old and honoured tradition.
Why should this election be any different?
It always strikes me as a shitty thing to do. I didn't like it when Code Pink did it, or when the Tea Party did it, or when OWS did it. I don't like it now but I will admit it was better when there was less spitting.
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:04:22pm |
re: #67 Killgore Trout
Protester spits on Romney supporter in Wisconsin (With video)
Maybe that Romney supporter shouldn't have gotten right in her face.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:04:50pm |
re: #136 blueraven
Wow, is this really relevant? Two old ladies behaving badly. This is big story at Brietbart and brought here for serious discussion. Really? Why?
Looks to me like all these ladies are pretty intimate. Looks like maybe a feud worthy of Steel Magnolias.
Stupid.
Wilted and wrinkled Magnolias.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:06:14pm |
Yup, the woman probably shouldn't have spit, but it looked to me almost like a reflex, a fear reaction to being threatened by a yelling nut while also being grabbed by other people -- all because she simply asked a question about Planned Parenthood.
If I have to pick a side, I'm on her side.
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:06:34pm |
Can you imagine if an Obama campaign bus heckled the event???
BEEEEPPPPP!!
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bratwurst Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:07:14pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
BW, I should tell you that there some schedule changes to two of the Pace routes in or near Des Plaines. The 210 and 226 have schedule changes.
I don't know if you ride the bus, but I felt I should tell you.
Thanks for the heads up! I don't often do Pace, but considering the unbelievable amount of construction going on here downtown (including the alley behind my building...which means I have not had access to my GARAGE For 6 weeks), I should probably make a point of riding the busses more.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:07:46pm |
re: #123 Killgore Trout
I've become so used to it that I don't even notice anymore. It takes too long to explain and nobody understands anyways.
Oh come off it. I go out of my way to understand both sides, and I'm not alone.
This octogenarian dustup is really a non-issue in an election already full of bitter engagement.
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Tigger2 Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:08:03pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
It always strikes me as a shitty thing to do. I didn't like it when Code Pink did it, or when the Tea Party did it, or when OWS did it. I don't like it now but I will admit it was better when there was less spitting.
If that kind of stuff never happens Killgore nothing ever changes.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:08:30pm |
re: #174 Stanley Sea
CL, ot, read your post on Alouette's pg, so Ramadan was delayed for a day unbeknownst to you all? Surprise!?
No it depends on the moon sighting, so I knew either tomorrow or the next day would be Eid (it never lasts longer than 30 days, moon sighting or not).
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:09:10pm |
re: #75 Killgore Trout
The video clearly shows the lady spitting on the Romney supporter unprovoked. I think legally that's considered assault. The fact that she got a scratch on her neck seems to the the result of the assault she initiated. The spitter is not the victim here.
Unprovoked? The other old lady, who was originally not right next to Hoglund, moved right into her personal space and put her face right in Hoglund's face as she was yelling at her. (I'm assuming she was yelling because that's what it looked like without the sound - I've got no sound since I didn't bring my speakers for my out of town work...kicking myself every day for it)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:10:13pm |
re: #184 bratwurst
Thanks for the heads up! I don't often do Pace, but considering the unbelievable amount of construction going on here downtown (including the alley behind my building...which means I have not had access to my GARAGE For 6 weeks), I should probably make a point of riding the busses more.
I ride the 209 at times and its been detoured for months while the bridge over the Kennedy at Oriole Ave is rebuilt. That bridge is well behind schedule.
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engineer cat Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:10:42pm |
"mr romney, your budget plan is a hamster and your evasiveness smells like elderberries"
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:11:49pm |
re: #154 Stanley Sea
I think yours was to laugh? Otherwise, I'm at fault for not reaming your ass.
No, I just meant I linked to Breitbart on a number of occasions in order to take them to task.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:12:41pm |
That awkward moment when Paul Ryan says his favorite band is Rage Against The Machine and they tell him to fuck off and die.— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) August 18, 2012
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:13:11pm |
re: #190 Varek Raith
Two wrongs make a confused KT.
Reminds me of the time Tim Profitt, one of Rand Paul's goons, stomped that unarmed lady's head while another one of Paul's goons held her prone on the ground. Earlier she'd rushed at Rand's SUV with a +5 enchanted vorpal protest sign which justified everything.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:14:03pm |
re: #193 b_sharp
No, I just meant I linked to Breitbart on a number of occasions in order to take them to task.
That's cool. I object to their use, er Hot Air's use, as a news source/directional to the local story.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:14:25pm |
re: #194 Interesting Times
@teapartycat They're just a band on his play list, along with Hank Williams Jr.
— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) August 18, 2012
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engineer cat Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:14:55pm |
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:15:36pm |
re: #193 b_sharp
No, I just meant I linked to Breitbart on a number of occasions in order to take them to task.
And those were great posts, by the way.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:17:10pm |
re: #172 Dark_Falcon
Calm down, I agree with that statement. And I wasn't trying to do that. I didn't see the newspaper article trying to blame Obama by association either.
Sorry D_F, I wasn't yelling at you. I just used your comment to make sure I ended up back in the same place in the thread after my outburst.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:17:10pm |
re: #195 goddamnedfrank
Reminds me of the time Tim Profitt, one of Rand Paul's goons, stomped that unarmed lady's head while another one of Paul's goons held her prone on the ground. Earlier she'd rushed at Rand's SUV with a +5 enchanted vorpal protest sign which justified everything.
Do you know how hard it is to get signs with that level of vorpal power? it takes months of LARP questing to find one and properly enchant it. Anyone that dedicated is a major threat by definition.
/entirely kidding.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:17:18pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Breitbart has video of some lady disrupting a Mitt event. She literally spits in the face of a Mitt supporter asking her to let other people talk. What a sad people we've become.
Tell you the truth, I'd be more shocked if it wasn't Breitbart.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:17:22pm |
re: #194 Interesting Times
[Embedded content]
WTF was he thinking? Did he know nothing about the band or it's politics? Anybody with an ounce of clue would have known what be their response would be.
It'd be like Biden talking about how much he loves listening to Ted Nugent while washing his Trans Am.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:17:40pm |
re: #50 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I googled the name and I suspect it's a person drawn in by the anti Zionist subject matter and probably detects an opening for Mondoweiss supporters here.
False Mondoweiss fund raiser written by 9/11 truther and Haider admirer
Yeah. Mondoweiss is fucked up. But hey, check out Israel Matzav's links. Gates of Vienna, The Blogmocracy... Er, um, uh, eee.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:17:48pm |
re: #200 b_sharp
Sorry D_F, I wasn't yelling at you. I just used your comment to make sure I ended up back in the same place in the thread after my outburst.
OK, thank you for letting me know.
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:18:23pm |
re: #132 Charles Johnson
"Disrupting Romney events?"
The video I watched showed her asking ONE question, and not in a rude or insulting manner at all. How do you figure this was "disrupting?"
She raised her hand and everything.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:19:09pm |
re: #204 Gus
Yeah. Mondoweiss is fucked up. But hey, check out Israel Matzav's links. Gates of Vienna, The Blogmocracy... Er, um, uh, eee.
I know. Let's denounce Mondoweiss by posting a link to a Kahanist website. Insert big sigh.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:21:01pm |
re: #178 Killgore Trout
It always strikes me as a shitty thing to do. I didn't like it when Code Pink did it, or when the Tea Party did it, or when OWS did it. I don't like it now but I will admit it was better when there was less spitting.
Spitting, flying drinks, rotten tomatoes, lemon meringue pies.
All of it better than flying bullets, which seem to be becoming the objects of choice.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:21:22pm |
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:21:28pm |
re: #201 Dark_Falcon
Do you know how hard it is to get signs with that level of vorpal power? it takes months of LARP questing to find one and properly enchant it. Anyone that dedicated is a major threat by definition.
/entirely kidding.
The hurdles are lower for us now. Democrats keep several epic level enchanters on staff. The benefits of coming out in favor of gay marriage. Bitches be +5ing everything, lawn signs, t-shirts, bumper stickers, flag lapel pins ... everything.
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:21:31pm |
re: #149 b_sharp
I've had this before, but usually at a lower level. This time I just stopped taking my Effexor rather than slowly weaning myself off of them.
Funny that your response to Effexor is so dissimilar to mine. I tend to have larger swings without Effexor than with. My problem with Effexor is the incessant suicidal ideation.
BTW, I Am The Most Interesting Man In The World.
Yikes!
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:22:12pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Breitbart has video of some lady disrupting a Mitt event. She literally spits in the face of a Mitt supporter asking her to let other people talk. What a sad people we've become.
Breitbart? Seriously? And you all are freaking out about some minor altercation involving an 83 year old LADY? LOL Seriously.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:22:45pm |
re: #212 Gus
Breitbart? Seriously? And you all are freaking out about some minor altercation involving an 83 year old LADY? LOL Seriously.
Oh Gus. Keep on reading.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:22:45pm |
re: #187 jaunte
We're just lucky nobody lost their teeth.
Smart Octogenarians leave their teeth at home when going to a sporting event.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:23:18pm |
re: #214 b_sharp
Smart Octogenarians leave their teeth at home when going to a sporting event.
Same with wilted magnolias.
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:24:37pm |
re: #170 JamesWI
Predicting a future comment:
"I guess I'm the only one who doesn't approve of spitting on people, regardless of their political views!!!!!"
WAR ON FACTS!
Vandalism, too, don't forget that.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:24:45pm |
re: #208 b_sharp
Spitting, flying drinks, rotten tomatoes, lemon meringue pies.
All of it better than flying bullets, which seem to be becoming the objects of choice.
It's a weird American cultural thing. The spitting is way over the line for me as are the bullets. The two are connected. I do however love the British Parliment stuff where they all hoot and holler. The difference is they seem to be having fun with it, it's all a bit tongue in cheek. We seem to take it into ugly territory too quickly.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:25:29pm |
re: #210 goddamnedfrank
The hurdles are lower for us now. Democrats keep several epic level enchanter's on staff. The benefits of coming out in favor of gay marriage. Bitches be +5ing everything, lawn signs, t-shirts, bumper stickers, flag lapel pins ... everything.
Don't worry, Mitt Romney's got his best consultant team on it. Their new method streamlines the time to raise an object to +6, cuts it by 30%. TPS streamlining and careful attention to process times, don't you know.
/Kidding again, but Mitt did do that sort of streamlining work when he was a business consultant. What is also true is that Mitt Romney's Magic Underpants are enchanted at +9.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:25:42pm |
re: #174 Stanley Sea
CL, ot, read your post on Alouette's pg, so Ramadan was delayed for a day unbeknownst to you all? Surprise!?
Don't they calculate this stuff well in advance? I'm sort of curious about how this suddenly develops.
Anyway, extra fast day...er, it will make Eid that much sweeter?
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:26:31pm |
re: #188 CuriousLurker
No it depends on the moon sighting, so I knew either tomorrow or the next day would be Eid (it never lasts longer than 30 days, moon sighting or not).
Oh, wait, I get it. Y'all do it the old-fashioned way, someone's got to physically sight and report?
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Varek Raith Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:27:21pm |
re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, wait, I get it. Y'all do it the old-fashioned way, someone's got to physically sight and report?
...
*Cloaks moon*
Muhahaha!
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:29:15pm |
re: #211 Sionainn
Yikes!
Don't worry, after my first successful attempt I'll post a page chronicling my resurrection.
The ideation is so common, it's become no more than background noise.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:29:50pm |
re: #224 Varek Raith
...
*Cloaks moon*
Muhahaha!
Did you use cloaking devices mounts on the moon's surface or an orbital Nightcloak system?
/Stay On Target!
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:29:53pm |
re: #222 goddamnedfrank
Moar editing time pleez!
How did you know I was just thinking about increasing the edit window? OK. I upped it to 30 minutes.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:30:23pm |
re: #227 Charles Johnson
How did you know I was just thinking about increasing the edit window? OK. I upped it to 30 minutes.
Woohooo!!!!
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:30:35pm |
re: #215 Stanley Sea
Same with wilted magnolias.
I believe I'm a fair bit older than you, so don't be waving that particular flower in my face.
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palomino Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:31:52pm |
re: #26 darthstar
[Embedded content]
Problem is, if gop continues to outspend dems 3-to-1, it may eventually turn the tide of the election, presidential and/or congressional. Thanks, Citizens United. We'll have the best quasi-democracy that 0.1% of the population can buy.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:32:29pm |
re: #215 Stanley Sea
Same with wilted magnolias.
I may need to tell you the story of the sleeping mother, broken doggy gate, chewed shoes and dentures left on the coffee table.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:32:44pm |
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:33:10pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
It's a weird American cultural thing. The spitting is way over the line for me as are the bullets. The two are connected. I do however love the British Parliment stuff where they all hoot and holler. The difference is they seem to be having fun with it, it's all a bit tongue in cheek. We seem to take it into ugly territory too quickly.
The Japanese get into fist fights.
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:34:08pm |
re: #231 palomino
Problem is, if gop continues to outspend dems 3-to-1, it may eventually turn the tide of the election, presidential and/or congressional. Thanks, Citizens United. We'll have the best quasi-democracy that 0.1% of the population can buy.
Oh, I'm sure the Dems would spend more now if it seemed like any of the Repub's crazily dishonest attacks were working. So far, they just seem content to let Romney spend his money, and hold back for the real spending spree.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:34:12pm |
re: #220 Dark_Falcon
Don't worry, Mitt Romney's got his best consultant team on it. Their new method streamlines the time to raise an object to +6, cuts it by 30%. TPS streamlining and careful attention to process times, don't you know.
/Kidding again, but Mitt did do that sort of streamlining work when he was a business consultant. What is also true is that Mitt Romney's Magic Underpants are enchanted at +9.
Ewww.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:34:21pm |
re: #231 palomino
Problem is, if gop continues to outspend dems 3-to-1, it may eventually turn the tide of the election, presidential and/or congressional. Thanks, Citizens United. We'll have the best quasi-democracy that 0.1% of the population can buy.
Good News: These things tend to work out historically
Bad News: They tend to have names such as Terror, Panic, or Revolt attached to them.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:36:46pm |
Here you go KT. A link to your favorite website Israel Matzav.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:36:52pm |
re: #233 Killgore Trout
Topless Protester Cuts Down Cross in Kiev
[Embedded content]
Well, at least she didn't spit on anyone.
Bitch. Destroying the property of a local person or church for a prison sentence imposed by the government of another country. She needs a long period of community service to teach her to respect the property of others.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:39:49pm |
re: #231 palomino
Problem is, if gop continues to outspend dems 3-to-1, it may eventually turn the tide of the election, presidential and/or congressional. Thanks, Citizens United. We'll have the best quasi-democracy that 0.1% of the population can buy.
Yeah but for how long? Sooner or later the law of diminishing returns is going to drive the cost per influence ratio to unsustainable levels. If Obama wasn't black the GOP would be absolutely drowning right now.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:40:00pm |
re: #223 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh, wait, I get it. Y'all do it the old-fashioned way, someone's got to physically sight and report?
Well, yeah, but that always caused a mess because...well, because like Jews, if there are two of us in a room there'll be three opinions. People were followinf different sightings/methods, so we'd end up with two different starting & ending days.
This year I was under the impression that everyone was going to follow the scientific calculations for the astronomical full moon. Everyone in the U.S. started on July 20th and since the astronomical full moon is today, I thought tomorrow would be Eid, but I guess I was wrong. Or something. It looks like it's going to be Sunday (it can;t be any later than that becuase that's 30 days, the max).
*sighs, scratches head in confused frustration* You know what I like best about Jews? You guys can feel our pain when it comes to stuff like this. LOL
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:41:31pm |
re: #238 Gus
BabyRomney Juice
Well it works, doesn't it? Five sons, and 18 grandchildren sired by those sons. The Romney men must do something right. Maybe they can be considered pushback against Idiotocracy
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:43:49pm |
re: #241 goddamnedfrank
Yeah but for how long? Sooner or later the law of diminishing returns is going to drive the cost per influence ratio to unsustainable levels. If Obama wasn't black the GOP would be absolutely drowning right now.
See: Meg Whitman
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:44:37pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Well it works, doesn't it? Five sons, and 18 grandchildren sired by those sons. The Romney men must do something right. Maybe they can be considered pushback against Idiotocracy
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:45:00pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Well it works, doesn't it? Five sons, and 18 grandchildren sired by those sons. The Romney men must do something right. Maybe they can be considered pushback against Idiotocracy
The best prenatal care money can buy and the ability to afford large families probably helps a bit.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:45:30pm |
re: #247 Kragar
The best prenatal care money can buy and the ability to afford large families probably helps a bit.
Boom!
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:46:04pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
Bitch. Destroying the property of a local person or church for a prison sentence imposed by the government of another country. She needs a long period of community service to teach her to respect the property of others.
Calmly. Calmly.
What that government did was why free speech is so important. No modern country should be able to jail citizens for speaking out against their own government without the rest of the world letting them know how vile an act it is. Whether that message is sent by a government of an individual is irrelevant.
Was that cross on private or public land?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:46:13pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Well it works, doesn't it? Five sons, and 18 grandchildren sired by those sons. The Romney men must do something right. Maybe they can be considered pushback against Idiotocracy
OH PLEASE. THAT THEY IMPREGNATE THEIR WOMEN IS NOBLE IN ANY WAY?
oh please Dark. //// please
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:47:19pm |
re: #225 b_sharp
Don't worry, after my first successful attempt I'll post a page chronicling my resurrection.
The ideation is so common, it's become no more than background noise.
But that's some background noise...I hope you can find something that helps the problem without such a rotten side effect.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:47:46pm |
re: #242 CuriousLurker
Well, yeah, but that always caused a mess because...well, because like Jews, if there are two of us in a room there'll be three opinions. People were followinf different sightings/methods, so we'd end up with two different starting & ending days.
This year I was under the impression that everyone was going to follow the scientific calculations for the astronomical full moon. Everyone in the U.S. started on July 20th and since the astronomical full moon is today, I thought tomorrow would be Eid, but I guess I was wrong. Or something. It looks like it's going to be Sunday (it can;t be any later than that becuase that's 30 days, the max).
*sighs, scratches head in confused frustration* You know what I like best about Jews? You guys can feel our pain when it comes to stuff like this. LOL
You religious people sure can be weird and confusing.
If'n I remember correctly, Jews, Muslims and Christian were all in the same boat at one time.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:48:03pm |
re: #250 Stanley Sea
OH PLEASE. THAT THEY IMPREGNATE THEIR WOMEN IS NOBLE IN ANYWAY?
oh please Dark. //// please
Like back, close your eyes and think of Reagan...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:48:36pm |
re: #250 Stanley Sea
OH PLEASE. THAT THEY IMPREGNATE THEIR WOMEN IS NOBLE IN ANYWAY?
oh please Dark. //// please
I meant the comment facetiously, it should not be taken too seriously. And what does your post mean, BTW? It's a bit confusing.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:49:08pm |
re: #254 Kragar
Like back, close your eyes and think of Reagan...
I'd rather hold that aspirin between my knees.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:50:10pm |
re: #256 Stanley Sea
I'd rather hold that aspirin between my knees.
Ah Foster Freiss, Rick Santorum's court jester.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:50:36pm |
re: #239 Gus
Here you go KT. A link to your favorite website Israel Matzav.
I stopped paying attention to this raving lunatic a while back, so that's the first time I saw this post.
Yeah, me and Iran - we're like this.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:50:36pm |
I can see Pussy Riot being charged with misdemeanor trespass, but that's it. They didn't vandalize anything. Hooliganism is some kind of made up bullshit crime. Topless blonde chainsaw lady actually vandalized that crucifix, so yeah that's actual property damage. She should be held accountable for that and then she should call me.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:50:44pm |
re: #255 Dark_Falcon
I meant the comment facetiously, it should not be taken too seriously. And what does your post mean, BTW? It's a bit confusing.
You weirdly praised the Romney men's procreation success, without a ///
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:51:57pm |
re: #249 b_sharp
Calmly. Calmly.
What that government did was why free speech is so important. No modern country should be able to jail citizens for speaking out against their own government without the rest of the world letting them know how vile an act it is. Whether that message is sent by a government of an individual is irrelevant.
Was that cross on private or public land?
The message that Putin's action was wrong is legitimate, entirely so. But it should not be expressed via property destruction.
Put another way, Killgore: If an "Occupy" group took a chainsaw to cross, regardless of what type of land it was on, would you still be nice about it?
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palomino Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:52:15pm |
re: #235 JamesWI
Oh, I'm sure the Dems would spend more now if it seemed like any of the Repub's crazily dishonest attacks were working. So far, they just seem content to let Romney spend his money, and hold back for the real spending spree.
I hope that's the case, but the money isn't quite flowing in like 4 years ago. If the Dems were even with the GOP in funds, I'd be pretty confident that everything from convention speaker Trump calling the Chinese "motherfuckers" (that will help with the Asian vote) to the absolute joke of Romney saying, "I haven't paid less than 13% in taxes" would be sufficiently known across the country that the absurdity of the current Repub Party would be so obvious that their electoral viability would diminish. Then they'd be forced to reform into the somewhat pragmatic governing party they once were.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:53:01pm |
re: #254 Kragar
Like back, close your eyes and think of Reagan...
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Sionainn Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:53:29pm |
re: #251 Gus
Silence. Oh look, here's another one.
I particularly like this comment:
At 4:47 AM, Blogger Ben Shamil said...
That low live defiantly fell of his bike to many times...loser
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:54:07pm |
re: #252 Sionainn
But that's some background noise...I hope you can find something that helps the problem without such a rotten side effect.
Some days can be kind of tough. I tend to stay home those days and oddly enough spend time distracting myself at LGF those days.
Since I've gone without, the ideation has dropped. I'm going to see a doctor on Wednesday, so I'll see what he can recommend.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:54:37pm |
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:55:06pm |
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palomino Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:55:07pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
Bitch. Destroying the property of a local person or church for a prison sentence imposed by the government of another country. She needs a long period of community service to teach her to respect the property of others.
Why would you call her a bitch...aren't you the etiquette enforcer, particularly when it comes to anything you deem sexist?
Maybe she should go to prison for years as well, huh?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:55:23pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:56:46pm |
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:56:50pm |
re: #258 Charles Johnson
I stopped paying attention to this raving lunatic a while back, so that's the first time I saw this post.
Yeah, me and Iran - we're like this.
Iran would be a great place if it wasn't for Imanutjob and the radical Imams. The country seems to have a large population of progressives.
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palomino Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:57:00pm |
re: #241 goddamnedfrank
Yeah but for how long? Sooner or later the law of diminishing returns is going to drive the cost per influence ratio to unsustainable levels. If Obama wasn't black the GOP would be absolutely drowning right now.
Agreed. ~20% of this country clearly wasn't ready for a black prez.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:57:54pm |
re: #260 Stanley Sea
You weirdly praised the Romney men's procreation success, without a ///
Sorry about the lack of clarity. It just reminds me of my own family, as my own father is one of five brothers (though he also has a sister) and I am one of his parents 18 grandchildren. One difference: While Mitt's grandchildren are mostly male at 13 grandsons and only five granddaughters, my own generation of my family is a even split: 9 males, and 9 females.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:57:56pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
Bitch. Destroying the property of a local person or church for a prison sentence imposed by the government of another country. She needs a long period of community service to teach her to respect the property of others.
It's Russia, dude. She could get jail even if it's her cross. They're "making examples" of people that diss the Orthodox Church...that's how Pussy Riot ended up with the sentence the did, explicitly to send a message.
American conceptions of free speech versus respect for property are a bit out the window, what with the nigh-on dictatorship deciding to import religiosity into its authoritarian legal system. She's engaging in civil disobedience precisely because of the way the state is privileging a single institution, and likely will get punished for it.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:57:59pm |
Outrage! Yeah, meanwhile they want to ban Sponge Bob Square Pants in the Ukraine.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:58:13pm |
Well......about that Khanist website?
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:58:37pm |
'Homosexual' SpongeBob Squarepants May Soon Be Outlawed In Ukraine thkpr.gs/QK0hPm WOW didnt know #Teabaggers were in Ukraine— Dita Obama (@DitaObama) August 18, 2012
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:59:33pm |
re: #276 Gus
Psychologist Irina Medvédeva, who was quoted in the study, suggested that children between the ages of three and five “pull faces and make jokes in front of adults they don’t know, laugh out loud and repeat nonsense phrases in a brazen manner,” after watching the programmes in question.
Ukrainians under the age of 10 are encouraged to act like mature adults at all time.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:59:45pm |
re: #278 Gus
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Well idiocy about cartoon characters isn't limited to Americans so I'm sure Pat Robertson is feeling good knowing that.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 6:59:50pm |
re: #261 Dark_Falcon
The message that Putin's action was wrong is legitimate, entirely so. But it should not be expressed via property destruction.
Put another way, Killgore: If an "Occupy" group took a chainsaw to cross, regardless of what type of land it was on, would you still be nice about it?
A cross means nothing to me, I don't give them any special consideration so all that matters to me is whether the land was private or public.
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palomino Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:00:59pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:01:06pm |
re: #269 palomino
Why would you call her a bitch...aren't you the etiquette enforcer, particularly when it comes to anything you deem sexist?
Maybe she should go to prison for years as well, huh?
No, and in fact that was why I suggested community service. She needs to pay the costs of fixing the damage she caused and must be firmly shown that her actions were wrong. But she did not injure any person and her intent was not evil. Prison would not be appropriate in her case.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:01:40pm |
re: #265 Kragar
"Call me Gipper baby..."
Damn you, you made me click on than same picture twice.
Now both hemispheres of my brain are in pain.
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engineer cat Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:01:43pm |
re: #259 goddamnedfrank
I can see Pussy Riot being charged with misdemeanor trespass, but that's it. They didn't vandalize anything. Hooliganism is some kind of made up bullshit crime. Topless blonde chainsaw lady actually vandalized that crucifix, so yeah that's actual property damage. She should be held accountable for that and then she should call me.
i disagree - she should call me
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dragonath Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:01:55pm |
Wonder what Ukraine would do if someone broadcast the early Ren & Stimpy
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:02:19pm |
re: #275 The Ghost of a Flea
It's Russia, dude. She could get jail even if it's her cross. They're "making examples" of people that diss the Orthodox Church...that's how Pussy Riot ended up with the sentence the did, explicitly to send a message.
American conceptions of free speech versus respect for property are a bit out the window, what with the nigh-on dictatorship deciding to import religiosity into its authoritarian legal system. She's engaging in civil disobedience precisely because of the way the state is privileging a single institution, and likely will get punished for it.
She did that in the Ukraine, not in Russia. The footage is from Kiev.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:02:22pm |
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palomino Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:03:23pm |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
No, and in fact that was why I suggested community service. She needs to pay the costs of fixing the damage she caused and must be firmly shown that her actions were wrong. But she did not injure any person and her intent was not evil. Prison would not be appropriate in her case.
My point is that you can't have it both ways. Don't call women bitches and then turn around and criticize others on this blog for their use of choice words.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:01pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
Sorry about the lack of clarity. It just reminds me of my own family, as my own father is one of five brothers (though he also has a sister) and I am one of his parents 18 grandchildren. One difference: While Mitt's grandchildren are mostly male at 13 grandsons and only five granddaughters, my own generation of my family is a even split: 9 males, and 9 females.
No problem. But how I read it is it's something to be proud about, or brag about publically. No, it's your own family situation.
I do not want to be told a huge family is medal of honor (subliminally that the men are so great/virile to have made that happen) Each to their own, and it's personal, not something to aspire to if you don't want to. Which is subliminally being done.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:06pm |
Proceed to the 1:26:30 mark for rampant Ukrainian riffing
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:07pm |
re: #278 Gus
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I see the name of the source newspaper is "Ukraínskaya Pravda". Are they reputable, or liars like Russia's Pravda?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:27pm |
re: #275 The Ghost of a Flea
It's Russia, dude. She could get jail even if it's her cross. They're "making examples" of people that diss the Orthodox Church...that's how Pussy Riot ended up with the sentence the did, explicitly to send a message.
American conceptions of free speech versus respect for property are a bit out the window, what with the nigh-on dictatorship deciding to import religiosity into its authoritarian legal system. She's engaging in civil disobedience precisely because of the way the state is privileging a single institution, and likely will get punished for it.
That sucks.
But Kiev is in the Ukraine.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:41pm |
re: #289 palomino
My point is that you can't have it both ways. Don't call women bitches and then turn around and criticize others on this blog for their use of choice words.
Point taken.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:04:51pm |
Spongebob Squarepants Is Gay, Warns Ukraine Commission
...The Ukraine's National Expert Commission for Protecting Public Morality released the report on Thursday, criticizing several popular television programs as harmful to the country and proposing a nationwide ban on the shows.
Spongebob was joined on the blacklist by Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, and even Teletubbies. Teletubbies, according to the report, "deliberately aims to create subnormal [men], who spend all day in front of the television with their mouths open swallowing all types of information." Such behavior, the report says, is the "psychology of losers."
According to a psychologist quoted in the study, after watching the shows, children between 3 and 5 years old "pull faces and make jokes in front of adults they don't know, laugh out loud and repeat nonsense phrases in a brazen manner."...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:06:22pm |
re: #283 Dark_Falcon
No, and in fact that was why I suggested community service. She needs to pay the costs of fixing the damage she caused and must be firmly shown that her actions were wrong. But she did not injure any person and her intent was not evil. Prison would not be appropriate in her case.
50 bucks and no moral, especially now, Ukranian moral police. You do not want what you propose. Think Dark.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:06:43pm |
re: #287 Dark_Falcon
She did that in the Ukraine, not in Russia. The footage is from Kiev.
Shit. I always forget that Kiev isn't in Russia anymore.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:06:45pm |
re: #295 Gus
Teletubbies? Did I step into a time warp because I don't even think that's still on the air and "subnormal men" My god, man it's a show for toddlers.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:08:07pm |
re: #290 Stanley Sea
No problem. But how I read it is it's something to be proud about, or brag about publically. No, it's your own family situation.
I do not want to be told a huge family is medal of honor (subliminally that the men are so great/virile to have made that happen) Each to their own, and it's personal, not something to aspire to if you don't want to. Which is subliminally being done.
The woman as lesser being is still inherent in our language and attitudes. The current crop of old white male Republicans will need to take the big sleep before younger generations can change those attitudes.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:08:19pm |
re: #295 Gus
Remember the teletubbie that had a triangle on his chest? fearful idiots then, fearful idiots now.
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Kragar Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:08:50pm |
re: #299 HappyWarrior
Teletubbies? Did I step into a time warp because I don't even think that's still on the air and "subnormal men" My god, man it's a show for toddlers.
It is the Ukraine, so factor in culture lag.
I do admire their fine porn export business.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:09:11pm |
re: #292 Dark_Falcon
I see the name of the source newspaper is "Ukraínskaya Pravda". Are they reputable, or liars like Russia's Pravda?
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:10:24pm |
re: #297 Stanley Sea
50 bucks and no moral, especially now, Russian moral police. You do not want what you propose. Think Dark.
Why not? I'm not saying she has no right to protest, I'm not even saying she can't protest topless. What I am saying is that her right to protest ended where that chainsaw cut into that wood. She did not have the right to destroy other people's property to make her point, especially since those other people were not the ones who committed the wrong she is protesting.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:10:58pm |
In 2011 Ukraine adopted reforms to facilitate closer association with the European Union, adopting laws on access to information and refugee protection. Former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko’s politically-motivated trial, conviction, and imprisonment jeopardized Ukraine’s prospects of concluding an EU Association Agreement, and the arrest and trial of multiple former government officials undermined confidence in the judiciary’s independence. Despite legislative reforms, the situation for journalists and media outlets deteriorated, and civil society activists were threatened by law enforcement officials in what appeared to be retaliation for their work. Each year, tens of thousands of patients with advanced cancer in Ukraine unnecessarily suffer from severe pain because pain treatment is often inaccessible. Asylum seekers remain vulnerable to arbitrary detention, police harassment, and torture.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:11:25pm |
re: #281 b_sharp
A cross means nothing to me, I don't give them any special consideration so all that matters to me is whether the land was private or public.
A cross shouldn't mean anything more than as a symbol. A specific one may have historical or artistic importance but other than that shouldn't receive any greater thought than any other bit of private property. If it becomes more than a simple symbol for a Christian, they should be examining their soul for why their making an idol out of the thing. Though I'll admit that particular bit of idolatry is something easy for Christians, myself included, to fall into.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:11:32pm |
re: #302 Kragar
It is the Ukraine, so factor in culture lag.
I do admire their fine porn export business.
True, true.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:11:47pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
Why not? I'm not saying she has no right to protest, I'm not even saying she can't protest topless. What I am saying is that her right to protest ended where that chainsaw cut into that wood. She did not have the right to destroy other people's property to make her point, especially since those other people were not the ones who committed the wrong she is protesting.
50 bucks for the cross. easy.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:11:49pm |
re: #303 Gus
[Link: www.pbs.org...]
Muckrakers then, to use TR's term, but they seem to be honorable muckrakers.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:12:56pm |
Still silent on the Khanist website, er news source?
bullshit.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:13:47pm |
After Sviatoslav Sheremet, head of the Gay Forum in Ukraine, announced on May 20 the cancellation of the first-ever Gay Pride Parade, he was pummeled briefly by masked youths. No arrests have been reported. Sheremet was bloodied, but not seriously injured.
From, Violence against gays in Ukraine captured for whole world to see
Yeah. Let's worry about some FEMEN protest instead.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:14:55pm |
And for the idiots that confuse American liberalism with communism...
"Our society is traditional and just does not tolerate homosexuality. If some people are suffering from the mental illness of homosexuality, they should not display it in public and promote it to children,
- Yevhen Tsarkov, a lawmaker from the Communist Party
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:15:09pm |
re: #308 Stanley Sea
50 bucks for the cross. easy.
Whatever the cross costs to fix, plus $500. Punishment is needed in this case, restitution is not enough. I don't want to make the punishment too harsh, but property destruction that goes unpunished is a (sometimes literal) "broken window".
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:16:11pm |
OMG! My stuff is showing up on the cafepress.com add on the front page. That is so weird when that happens.
How is everyone this eveing?
I haven't paid any attention today -(fresh out)--should I have scammed some?
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:16:21pm |
Ukraine Bill Proposes Prison for Positive Gay Depictions
KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — If a group of Ukrainian lawmakers succeeds in its mission, television shows and movies like “Brokeback Mountain” that sympathetically portray gay men and lesbians will be banned. So will gay pride parades.
The recently introduced bill, supported by the president’s representative in Parliament, would impose prison terms of up to five years and unspecified fines for spreading the “propaganda of homosexuality,” which the measure defines as positive depictions of gays in public.
It has prompted outrage from rights organizations in Ukraine and beyond that condemn the bill as a throwback to Soviet times, when homosexuality was a criminal offense. They also warn that the bill could lead to an increase in H.I.V. infections in Ukraine by driving gay people underground...
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:16:45pm |
re: #312 Gus
And for the idiots that confuse American liberalism with communism...
"Our society is traditional and just does not tolerate homosexuality. If some people are suffering from the mental illness of homosexuality, they should not display it in public and promote it to children,
- Yevhen Tsarkov, a lawmaker from the Communist Party
Even under the USSR, Russia and Ukraine retained a strong traditionalist streak.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:16:50pm |
re: #312 Gus
And for the idiots that confuse American liberalism with communism...
"Our society is traditional and just does not tolerate homosexuality. If some people are suffering from the mental illness of homosexuality, they should not display it in public and promote it to children,
- Yevhen Tsarkov, a lawmaker from the Communist Party
You mean it's not the same thing?
///
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:17:57pm |
re: #316 Dark_Falcon
Even under the USSR, Russia and Ukraine retained a strong traditionalist streak.
Well he's talking about other communist regimes too. Castro has persecuted gays and lesbians in Cuba as well. Which is one reason you'll see me scoff at those who want to make him a hero of the American left.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:19:31pm |
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:19:57pm |
re: #304 Dark_Falcon
Why not? I'm not saying she has no right to protest, I'm not even saying she can't protest topless. What I am saying is that her right to protest ended where that chainsaw cut into that wood. She did not have the right to destroy other people's property to make her point, especially since those other people were not the ones who committed the wrong she is protesting.
That really shouldn't even be in the conversation. It is completely irrelevant.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:20:43pm |
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:21:01pm |
Rebels dump tea into Boston Harbour! Outrage! How dare they commit such treachery! At the very least they should be charged with a misdemeanor!
Hey. If cutting down that cross brings the Ukraine one step closer to modernity it will have been worth it. All revolutions and cultural change involve a heavy dose of anarchy.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:21:35pm |
re: #306 William Barnett-Lewis
A cross shouldn't mean anything more than as a symbol. A specific one may have historical or artistic importance but other than that shouldn't receive any greater thought than any other bit of private property. If it becomes more than a simple symbol for a Christian, they should be examining their soul for why their making an idol out of the thing. Though I'll admit that particular bit of idolatry is something easy for Christians, myself included, to fall into.
Except for the last sentence, I've said exactly that many times. I've also made similar points about flags.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:22:12pm |
re: #323 Gus
Rebels dump tea into Boston Harbour! Outrage! How dare they commit such treachery! At the very least they should be charged with a misdemeanor!
Hey. If cutting down that cross brings the Ukraine one step closer to modernity it will have been worth it. All revolutions and cultural change involve a heavy dose of anarchy.
Seriously, the CONCERN about property damage these days. So minor, the reason for the protest? Much larger. But let's concentrate on property damage #ows
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:22:39pm |
re: #308 Stanley Sea
50 bucks for the cross. easy.
Good looking structural beam. I'd go as high as $75.00.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:22:51pm |
Cough, cough, cough.
On sidelines of Euro 2012, anti-Semitism is alive and kicking
As far as the latter, the prevalence of widespread racism and anti-Semitism was clearly a concern, especially in the Ukraine, which has a well-earned reputation for a lack of tolerance of minorities and foreigners. Poland, on the other hand, is already a member of the European Union and has made significant strides in combatting racism, and especially anti-Semitism.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:22:58pm |
By the way, before I let this go -- as far as I'm concerned, any decent citizen is absolutely in the right to ask questions about Planned Parenthood of a right wing candidate. They're running on a platform of destroying women's rights, and they SHOULD be asked these questions at every opportunity, no matter how much the right wing tries to demonize them for doing so.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:23:34pm |
re: #321 b_sharp
That really shouldn't even be in the conversation. It is completely irrelevant.
I mentioned it because the issue of 'morals' was mentioned by Stanley Sea. I felt I should make clear that I was not accusing the lady of a "morality offense", but rather an offense against property. That's the only reason I brought it up.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:23:36pm |
re: #328 Charles Johnson
By the way, before I let this go -- as far as I'm concerned, any decent citizen is absolutely in the right to ask questions about Planned Parenthood of a right wing candidate. They're running on a platform of destroying women's rights, and they SHOULD be asked these questions at every opportunity, no matter how much the right wing tries to demonize them for doing so.
5 gazillion updings! (If I could)
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:23:54pm |
re: #314 ggt
OMG! My stuff is showing up on the cafepress.com add on the front page. That is so weird when that happens.
How is everyone this eveing?
I haven't paid any attention today -(fresh out)--should I have scammed some?
No, but you could have brought cake.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:24:37pm |
re: #302 Kragar
It is the Ukraine, so factor in culture lag.
I do admire their fine porn export business.
There's some potentially shady shenanigans surrounding that:
Quoth the US Department of State:
UKRAINE (Tier 2)
Ukraine is a source, transit, and destination country for men, women, and children trafficked transnationally for the purposes of commercial sexual exploitation and forced labor. Ukrainian women are trafficked to Russia, Poland, Turkey, the Czech Republic, the United Arab Emirates, Austria, Italy, Portugal, Germany, Greece, Israel, Spain, Lebanon, Hungary, Slovak Republic, Cyprus, United Kingdom, Netherlands, Serbia, Argentina, Norway, and Bahrain. The majority of Ukrainian labor trafficking victims were men exploited in Russia, the Czech Republic and Poland, primarily forced to work as construction laborers, sailors, and factory and agriculture workers. There are indications Ukraine is a destination for people from neighboring countries trafficked for forced labor and sexual exploitation. In addition, trafficking occurs within Ukraine; men and women are trafficked within the country for the purposes of labor exploitation in the agriculture and service sectors, commercial sexual exploitation, and forced begging. Ukrainian children are trafficked both internally and transnationally for commercial sexual exploitation, forced begging, and involuntary servitude in the agriculture industry. An IOM survey released in December 2006 concluded that since 1991, approximately 117,000 Ukrainians had been forced into exploitative situations in Europe, the Middle East, and Russia.
The Government of Ukraine does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking; however, it is making significant efforts to do so. While there was little evidence of efforts to curb trafficking complicity of government officials and of concrete steps to protect and assist trafficking victims at the national level, local governments made some progress on victim assistance. The government also made modest, but tangible, progress in improving the punishment of convicted traffickers, prosecuting labor trafficking, training the judiciary, and carrying out prevention activities.Ukraine does not punish victims for unlawful acts committed as a direct result of being trafficked, but sex trafficking victims are incorrectly characterized as “willing prostitutes” and denied confidentiality. Although more victims are reportedly willing to participate in investigations against their traffickers, a weak witness protection system and a bias against sex trafficking victims still discourage many from testifying in court. Courts in the Ivano-Frankivsk region are implementing a pilot program to develop a modern witness protection program. The government does not provide foreign victims with legal alternatives to removal to countries in which they may face hardship or retribution.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:25:04pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:25:50pm |
re: #332 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
There's some potentially shady shenanigans surrounding that:
grrrrrr
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:26:57pm |
re: #328 Charles Johnson
By the way, before I let this go -- as far as I'm concerned, any decent citizen is absolutely in the right to ask questions about Planned Parenthood of a right wing candidate. They're running on a platform of destroying women's rights, and they SHOULD be asked these questions at every opportunity, no matter how much the right wing tries to demonize them for doing so.
Definitely. She had every right to ask especially because the top of this presidential ticket has said they're going to stop funding of Planned PArenthood. It's a very valid question to ask and it was unproper to shout her down like that and grab her arm.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:28:05pm |
Racism and discrimination in Ukraine
Read it. Take a glance. Worry about some cross instead.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:28:16pm |
re: #328 Charles Johnson
By the way, before I let this go -- as far as I'm concerned, any decent citizen is absolutely in the right to ask questions about Planned Parenthood of a right wing candidate. They're running on a platform of destroying women's rights, and they SHOULD be asked these questions at every opportunity, no matter how much the right wing tries to demonize them for doing so.
I agree. They have the right to ask questions. It's a winning issues and I fully support Planned Parenthood and my frequent customer card proves that. However, I don't support the right to spit on political opponents.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:28:32pm |
Planned Parenthood supporters are not Code Pink. Although I'm sure the far right-wingers see them in the same light.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:29:26pm |
re: #318 HappyWarrior
Well he's talking about other communist regimes too. Castro has persecuted gays and lesbians in Cuba as well. Which is one reason you'll see me scoff at those who want to make him a hero of the American left.
Castro and Guevara led an oppressed population against the evil totalitarian regime of Batista, so they should be recognized for that. However the evils they themselves perpetrated after, especially after adopting Communist totalitarianism, should also be recognized and condemned.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:30:08pm |
re: #338 ggt
Planned Parenthood supporters are not Code Pink. Although I'm sure the far right-wingers see them in the same light.
I'll evoke the Magical Balance Fairy and say I don't support spitting on Code Pink either but I'm an anti-spitting extremist.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:30:47pm |
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:30:55pm |
re: #339 b_sharp
Castro and Guevara led an oppressed population against the evil totalitarian regime of Batista, so they should be recognized for that. However the evils they themselves perpetrated after, especially after adopting Communist totalitarianism, should also be recognized and condemned.
Oh yeah the regime they destroyed, kudos to that. Same thing with the revolutionaries in Russia in 1917. I shed zero tears for Nicholas Romanov. Feel bad for his son and daughters though.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:31:07pm |
re: #340 Killgore Trout
I'll evoke the Magical Balance Fairy and say I don't support spitting on Code Pink either but I'm an anti-spitting extremist.
Oh, I agree with the spitting, for the most part.
I rather supported the Vietnam Vet who spit on Jane Fonda. But somehow, I think that was personal.
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allegro Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:31:08pm |
re: #337 Killgore Trout
I agree. They have the right to ask questions. It's a winning issues and I fully support Planned Parenthood and my frequent customer card proves that. However, I don't support the right to spit on political opponents.
You didn't mention that it was inappropriate for the woman to be verbally attacked, grabbed, and assaulted. Was that OK?
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:32:08pm |
re: #240 Dark_Falcon
Bitch. Destroying the property of a local person or church for a prison sentence imposed by the government of another country. She needs a long period of community service to teach her to respect the property of others.
Now now. The Femen movement in the Ukraine has it lovers and haters, but, as a rule the members have great tatas.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:32:28pm |
re: #344 allegro
You didn't mention that it was inappropriate for the woman to be verbally attacked, grabbed, and assaulted. Was that OK?
It's not all right for that to happen to a women, man, child or martian.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:33:34pm |
re: #333 ggt
I have fresh coffee . . . no cake.
Coffee? At night?
But no cake, not even coffee cake.
Hurumph.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:34:19pm |
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William of Orange Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:22pm |
Here's a little taster of what the Personhood laws will mean to you.
Read this tragic story.
Pregnant Dominican teen at center of abortion debate dies
(CNN) -- A pregnant leukemia patient who became a flashpoint in the abortion debate in the Dominican Republic died Friday morning, a hospital official told CNN.
The 16-year-old, who had been undergoing chemotherapy, died from complications of the disease, said Dr. Antonio Cabrera, the legal representative for the hospital.
Her case stirred debate in her country, as her life was potentially at risk because of anti-abortion laws in the Dominican Republic.
Doctors were hesitant to give her chemotherapy because such treatment could terminate the pregnancy -- a violation of the Dominican Constitution, which bans abortion. Some 20 days after she was admitted to the hospital, she finally began receiving treatment.
The patient, whose identity has not been released because she's a minor and because of the hospital's privacy policy, was 13 weeks pregnant.
The teen's body did not respond to the chemotherapy, and her condition worsened overnight, Cabrera said.
Her body also rejected a blood transfusion on Thursday, he said.
The patient then suffered a miscarriage early Friday, followed by cardiac arrest, he said. Doctors were unable to revive her.
Representatives from the Dominican Ministry of Health, the Dominican Medical College, the hospital and the girl's family had talked for several days before deciding to go forward with the chemotherapy.
The case sparked renewed debate over abortion in the Dominican Republic, with some lawmakers calling on officials to reconsider the abortion ban.
At the time that treatment started, Rosa Hernandez, the girl's mother, said she had been trying to convince doctors and the Dominican government to make an exception so that her daughter's life could be saved.
"My daughter's life is first. I know that (abortion) is a sin and that it goes against the law ... but my daughter's health is first," Hernandez said.
According to Article 37 of the Dominican Constitution, "the right to life is inviolable from the moment of conception and until death." Dominican courts have interpreted this as a strict mandate against abortion. Article 37, passed in 2009, also abolished the death penalty.
In effect, the very definition of the Personhood laws. This is what it means to you. The Republicans and Religious conservatives have big words about the Obama administration of meddling in their lives with health care laws but on the other hand they want to be in the driving seat when it concerns a woman's life! If you want that, please vote for Romney and Ryan. All other people will have to move to Canada to lead a decent live.
Romney and Ryan in the White House is a doom scenario.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:35:35pm |
What's the difference between a pregnant woman and a lightbulb? Republicans want to protect freedom for lightbulbs! #p2— sunshineejc (@sunshineejc) August 18, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:36:33pm |
re: #345 austin_blue
Now now. The Femen movement in the Ukraine has it lovers and haters, but, as a rule the members have great tatas.
B-Sharp's gonna smack you down for saying that last.
/
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:36:46pm |
re: #337 Killgore Trout
I agree. They have the right to ask questions. It's a winning issues and I fully support Planned Parenthood and my frequent customer card proves that. However, I don't support the right to spit on political opponents.
I reserve the right to spit in self defence, or in a duel.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:37:01pm |
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:37:24pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:37:53pm |
re: #340 Killgore Trout
I'll evoke the Magical Balance Fairy and say I don't support spitting on Code Pink either but I'm an anti-spitting extremist.
Again, get off your extremist high horse. You've been called on your shit, that doesn't make you a martyr extremist.
Please respond to the Kahnist website you posted as news of the day.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:00pm |
re: #352 b_sharp
I reserve the right to spit in self defence, or in a duel.
Don't leave out the possibility of water melon seed contest.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:00pm |
re: #242 CuriousLurker
*sighs, scratches head in confused frustration* You know what I like best about Jews? You guys can feel our pain when it comes to stuff like this. LOL
Yeah...been there, done that, bought the T-shirt, had someone tell me I shouldn't wear the T-shirt during the Yamim Noraim...
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:09pm |
Assange’s Special Asylum: Why Ecuador Isn’t Nice to Anyone Else
The government of Rafael Correa extends its hospitality to the WikiLeaks founder but is accused of harassing unfriendly journalists and may extradite a whistle-blower from Belarus to face grave charges in the country described as "Europe's last dictatorship"
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prairiefire Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:16pm |
Happy Friday, no spitting on the keyboards.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:36pm |
re: #243 Dark_Falcon
Well it works, doesn't it? Five sons, and 18 grandchildren sired by those sons. The Romney men must do something right. Maybe they can be considered pushback against Idiotocracy
It just suggests to me that they're all better at sex than campaigning...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:38:52pm |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
B-Sharp's gonna smack you down for saying that last.
/
My friend is a breast cancer survivor. Her husband has a pink ribbon magnet on his car that says "save the tatas".
LOL
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prairiefire Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:39:01pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
It just suggests to me that they're all better at sex than campaigning...
Yes!
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:39:07pm |
re: #344 allegro
You didn't mention that it was inappropriate for the woman to be verbally attacked, grabbed, and assaulted. Was that OK?
He doesn't believe that happened. The video evidence goes against his newest personal crusade, therefore, it is ignored.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:39:58pm |
re: #358 Gus
Assange’s Special Asylum: Why Ecuador Isn’t Nice to Anyone Else
The government of Rafael Correa extends its hospitality to the WikiLeaks founder but is accused of harassing unfriendly journalists and may extradite a whistle-blower from Belarus to face grave charges in the country described as "Europe's last dictatorship"
Wish those who are applauding Correa and Ecuador for "standing up for human rights" would look at this but nah they'll look past it because that Belarusian journalist isn't as high profile as Assenge.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:40:45pm |
re: #361 ggt
My friend is a breast cancer survivor. Her husband has a pink ribbon magnet on his car that says "save the tatas".
LOL
I tried to avoid the topless angle, other than one post which I tried to use to make clear I wasn't speaking to it. I didn't want to step on some sexism land mine.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:41:20pm |
re: #286 dragonath
Wonder what Ukraine would do if someone broadcast the early Ren & Stimpy
I don't know how it would translate.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:41:31pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
It just suggests to me that they're all better at sex than campaigning...
Though on a picky note, good at procreation does not necessarily equal good at sex. Quantity vs quality and all that...
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prairiefire Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:42:11pm |
re: #366 SanFranciscoZionist
"Don't forget to wash were the sun don't shine!"
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:42:37pm |
re: #342 HappyWarrior
Oh yeah the regime they destroyed, kudos to that. Same thing with the revolutionaries in Russia in 1917. I shed zero tears for Nicholas Romanov. Feel bad for his son and daughters though.
I have trouble with blanket hatred of people like Castro and Guevara because of the need for humans to rebel against tyranny. What happened there isn't simple. My fear is that the Arab Spring's image will change from a justified event to a vilified event because of the Muslim Brotherhood's inherent evil in the eyes of too many conservatives in NA.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:42:47pm |
re: #367 Interesting Times
Though on a picky note, good at procreation does not necessarily equal good at sex. Quantity vs quality and all that...
Heh last thing I want to think about Friday evening is the Romneys' sex live. May take the mind off a tough baseball loss a little though.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:43:00pm |
re: #343 ggt
Oh, I agree with the spitting, for the most part.
I rather supported the Vietnam Vet who spit on Jane Fonda. But somehow, I think that was personal.
Bias.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:44:18pm |
Damn, Gus. Feel you pain. You've been through this over and over.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:44:30pm |
re: #364 HappyWarrior
Wish those who are applauding Correa and Ecuador for "standing up for human rights" would look at this but nah they'll look past it because that Belarusian journalist isn't as high profile as Assenge.
It's all about Correa for the most part. Then you have Venezuela, Russia, Iran and several other countries involved. I think Assange qualifies as a "useful idiot" by now.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:44:40pm |
re: #345 austin_blue
Now now. The Femen movement in the Ukraine has it lovers and haters, but, as a rule the members have great tatas.
One man's tatas is another man's boobs.
We really are ruled by our gonads.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:44:44pm |
re: #301 Stanley Sea
Remember the teletubbie that had a triangle on his chest? fearful idiots then, fearful idiots now.
No, no, that was Tinky Winky. The triangle was his little head antenna. Also, he was purple.
That led to the best thing ever, the Teletubby Hymn, also known as "The Batty Hymn of the Repugnant".
[Link: www.unwind.com...]
I have seen his little triangle
Where it sits upon his head,
And we all know it's a symbol
For the shame that can't be said.
Now we have to purge this danger
Or our little boys will wed
A wife whose name is Ed.
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:44:54pm |
re: #351 Dark_Falcon
B-Sharp's gonna smack you down for saying that last.
/
Somehow, I doubt that!
Boys are boys and the Femen have my full...er...support.
(Seriously, the issues that they highlight are really important. And the in-your-face way they deal with them is courageous.)
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:45:04pm |
re: #369 b_sharp
I have trouble with blanket hatred of people like Castro and Guevara because of the need for humans to rebel against tyranny. What happened there isn't simple. My fear is that the Arab Spring's image will change from a justified event to a vilified event because of the Muslim Brotherhood's inherent evil in the eyes of too many conservatives in NA.
What happened wasn't simple, but that the Castro brother and 'Che' Guevara proved themselves to be totalitarian monsters is clear. They have earned the great majority of the hate aimed at them.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:45:48pm |
re: #337 Killgore Trout
I agree. They have the right to ask questions. It's a winning issues and I fully support Planned Parenthood and my frequent customer card proves that. However, I don't support the right to spit on political opponents.
Right, you just support turning a blind eye to people who grab political opponents, purposefully get inches away from their face and yell at them vehemently enough that hot breath and spittle could quite easily hit them in the face.
You deliberately ignore, minimize and dismiss the initial physical provocation and focus on the admittedly wrongheaded retaliation. This is why it's impossible to take you all that seriously anymore, you're wearing obvious blinders.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:46:23pm |
The center-left Süddeutsche Zeitung writes:
"Why does (Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa) have so much sympathy for an Australian named Julian Assange...? Because Correa sees the founder of the whistle blowing platform WikiLeaks as a soul mate. By publishing classified dispatches that have exposed the US above all, Assange has pleased Correa. He belongs alongside Venezuela's Hugo Chavez, Bolivia's Evo Morales and Cuba's Fidel Castro as the most important opponents of Washington. Secondly the temperamental Ecuadorian smells a chance to play a little world politics and show off the new self confidence of South America."
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austin_blue Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:46:44pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
It just suggests to me that they're all better at sex than campaigning...
Or at least using the rhythm method to their advantage for procreating.
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:46:51pm |
re: #349 William of Orange
My question about "personhood" is: You can't force anyone to provide blood for a life saving transfusion, or give any other part of their body to save someone else's life. So, if you have an embryo or fetus who is totally dependent on the mother's body for their life, why does that fetus have the right to another person's body that no one else does?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:47:17pm |
re: #356 Killgore Trout
Don't leave out the possibility of water melon seed contest.
Hey, that stuff is dangerous, you could put out an eye.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:47:18pm |
re: #379 goddamnedfrank
This is why it's impossible to take you all that seriously anymore, you're wearing obvious blinders.
The blinders keep the spit out of my eyes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:48:18pm |
re: #358 Gus
Assange’s Special Asylum: Why Ecuador Isn’t Nice to Anyone Else
The government of Rafael Correa extends its hospitality to the WikiLeaks founder but is accused of harassing unfriendly journalists and may extradite a whistle-blower from Belarus to face grave charges in the country described as "Europe's last dictatorship"
But I thought they had a great human rights record! Assange said so!
(I suspect Assange thinks anyone who is nice to him has a great human rights record. He is the Human. He has the Rights. Like Lord Vetinari, but less classy.)
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William of Orange Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:48:19pm |
Message for Charles!
TECH QUESTION.
Charles,
I have some problems with the view of the page in Internet Explorer. The buttons above (Strike, bold, italic, quote and link) don't appear anymore. I tried visiting the site with Chrome and there the buttons do appear.
Now, when I log into the site via Chrome it automatically logs me out in Internet Explorer, and vice versa. How come it's not possible to stay logged in with different browsers??
And what can be done in IE to make the buttons appear again?
Could you give a + kudo to this message if you read it, so I won't have to post it again.
Come to think of it, another bug in Chrome is that the Kudo refresh button points to the main site URL of little green footballs.
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:48:21pm |
re: #382 calochortus
My question about "personhood" is: You can't force anyone to provide blood for a life saving transfusion, or give any other part of their body to save someone else's life. So, if you have an embryo or fetus who is totally dependent on the mother's body for their life, why does that fetus have the right to another person's body that no one else does?
Because sluts that's why.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:48:28pm |
re: #361 ggt
My friend is a breast cancer survivor. Her husband has a pink ribbon magnet on his car that says "save the tatas".
LOL
My mother was a victim of breast cancer. I'd love a ribbon like that.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:49:16pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
What happened wasn't simple, but that the Castro brother and 'Che' Guevara proved themselves to be totalitarian monsters is clear. They have earned the great majority of the hate aimed at them.
I liken it to what happened in Russia and France, the revolution got devoured by power hungry people who chose to ignore what the revolution was all about and they ended up becoming what they rebelled against- tyrants.
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blueraven Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:49:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:49:17pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
It just suggests to me that they're all better at sex than campaigning...
Which is something. My mother and I once sat around watching the RNC, wondering what Marilyn Quayle saw in Dan. My mom's only suggestion was that he might be very good in bed.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:50:12pm |
re: #360 SanFranciscoZionist
It just suggests to me that they're all better at having sex than campaigning...
Slight change.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:50:23pm |
re: #373 Gus
It's all about Correa for the most part. Then you have Venezuela, Russia, Iran and several other countries involved. I think Assange qualifies as a "useful idiot" by now.
Useful idiot fits Assenge pretty well I think too especially now.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:52:03pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
What happened wasn't simple, but that the Castro brother and 'Che' Guevara proved themselves to be totalitarian monsters is clear. They have earned the great majority of the hate aimed at them.
If that much raw, completely unchecked power just landed in your lap could you honestly say that you'd exercise it with great restraint?
I think that despite all of my best intentions I would become a tyrant too, and in short order, because power corrupts.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:52:07pm |
re: #365 Dark_Falcon
I tried to avoid the topless angle, other than one post which I tried to use to make clear I wasn't speaking to it. I didn't want to step on some sexism land mine.
The only reason I mentioned it is because the idea naked breasts are immoral is an atavistic but inherent part of our culture.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:53:02pm |
re: #386 William of Orange
Which version of Internet Explorer?
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Interesting Times Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:53:30pm |
re: #392 calochortus
Umm, yeah. Sure...
In all seriousness though, we had a poster here ("Liet Kiens" or some such) who insisted that consent to sex = consent to carry a pregnancy to term, even if birth control was used.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:54:40pm |
You know, hate to use a line from a superhero movie but that Dent line from Dark Night about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain really works sometimes. I was thinking about a guy like Petain in France. Great hero after WWI but then becomes a Nazi collaborator and puppet in WWII.
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:55:04pm |
The Hoopster's road trip Journal...Day 15
Well it's Friday night and Winston and I have a 2 day trip facing us this weekend. Will arrive in Norman Oklahoma Sunday evening, It's been a great but long trip..And I have enjoyed sharing it with my lizard friends.
There will be more details later but I got a call from my Lawyer yesterday.
The deed to my new place is in the mail. I'm very excited to start a new life in a new world..We are moving to the middle of nowhere in God's Country.
I'm buying a pickup truck..
( I can't wait to get the email from Charles.." You really did move into the middle of fucking nowhere!" )
Sorry..I'm jacked about this...WooHoo
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:56:03pm |
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:56:16pm |
re: #378 Dark_Falcon
What happened wasn't simple, but that the Castro brother and 'Che' Guevara proved themselves to be totalitarian monsters is clear. They have earned the great majority of the hate aimed at them.
Yes, that's true, but I think that when they are mentioned, the other aspect of their actions should also be mentioned.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:56:18pm |
re: #389 HappyWarrior
I liken it to what happened in Russia and France, the revolution got devoured by power hungry people who chose to ignore what the revolution was all about and they ended up becoming what they rebelled against- tyrants.
The problem with that analogy is that Castro himself instigated the revolution when he landed in Cuba with about a company of followers who had returned with him from his exile in Mexico. His "July 26th Movement" was the revolution's principal organization. Castro and his ideology were what the revolution was about, despite what some others within his movement felt at the time.
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:56:21pm |
re: #398 Interesting Times
In all seriousness though, we had a poster here ("Liet Kiens" or some such) who insisted that consent to sex = consent to carry a pregnancy to term, even if birth control was used.
Sigh. I dare say. And he or she is welcome to consider it that way-just not so welcome to tell everyone else that is the case. I suppose being married not being a virgin is considered to be a permanent consent?
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William of Orange Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:56:52pm |
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:57:39pm |
re: #369 b_sharp
I have trouble with blanket hatred of people like Castro and Guevara because of the need for humans to rebel against tyranny. What happened there isn't simple. My fear is that the Arab Spring's image will change from a justified event to a vilified event because of the Muslim Brotherhood's inherent evil in the eyes of too many conservatives in NA.
Some folks really don't like the idea that people will take a dangerous gamble when life gets too horrid and oppressive. It's much easier to sit in an armchair and speculate that the Current Evil (such as Hosni "Your Source For Rape-based Prison Torture, Expert in Expropriation of Public Funds" Mubarak) is better than in future Anticipated Evil.
This is particularly irksome when mouthed by Neocon puppet-master-wannabes that at once want to argue that it's good to have a monster on a leash, but then get all "who could have anticipated?" when the revolt against said monster doesn't take the form of a US-style democracy.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Aug 17, 2012 7:57:41pm |
re: #384 Killgore Trout
The blinders keep the spit out of my eyes.
Respond to the posts about the Kahanist website you posted as "news"
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:00:49pm |
re: #399 HappyWarrior
You know, hate to use a line from a superhero movie but that Dent line from Dark Night about dying a hero or living long enough to become the villain really works sometimes. I was thinking about a guy like Petain in France. Great hero after WWI but then becomes a Nazi collaborator and puppet in WWII.
I agree, but I feel that was not what Nolan saw the line as meaning: Nolan had Dent say that as meaning that after a while the compromises and non-clarities of politics combined with the attacks of their opponents will make any political leader look like a villain. Harvey Dent reasons from that that he must act swiftly and boldly, while he still has the public on his side.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:01:02pm |
re: #403 Dark_Falcon
The problem with that analogy is that Castro himself instigated the revolution when he landed in Cuba with about a company of followers who had returned with him from his exile in Mexico. His "July 26th Movement" was the revolution's principal organization. Castro and his ideology were what the revolution was about, despite what some others within his movement felt at the time.
I'll defer to you here because I don't know much about the Cuban revolution but my broad point is revolutions however justified they may be sometimes and tragically I must say end up resulting in more brutal tyranny than what was seen before. I think overthrowing the Baustia regime was justified but the fact that Castro's regime ended up just as if not more autocratic is something I find tragic. That's what I was getting at with Russia and France.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:01:14pm |
re: #406 The Ghost of a Flea
Some folks really don't like the idea that people will take a dangerous gamble when life gets too horrid and oppressive. It's much easier to sit in an armchair and speculate that the Current Evil (such as Hosni "Your Source For Rape-based Prison Torture, Expert in Expropriation of Public Funds" Mubarak) is better than in future Anticipated Evil.
It's complicated. I completely understand the impulse to gamble on rebellion in such a situation. The problem is that, from the armchair, the slim odds in Things Getting Better's favor are very visible.
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William of Orange Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:01:21pm |
I'm off to bed now. It's 5:00AM over here.... I think the sun is coming up already.
:-)
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:02:40pm |
re: #407 Stanley Sea
Respond to the posts about the Kahanist website you posted as "news"
I posted a link to a site the same antisemitc troll was making the same Jewish-Nazi comments as here on LGF. Sorry of that's a problem for you
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:03:47pm |
re: #409 HappyWarrior
I'll defer to you here because I don't know much about the Cuban revolution but my broad point is revolutions however justified they may be sometimes and tragically I must say end up resulting in more brutal tyranny than what was seen before. I think overthrowing the Baustia regime was justified but the fact that Castro's regime ended up just as if not more autocratic is something I find tragic. That's what I was getting at with Russia and France.
I understood what your argument was, but I needed to point out that the Cuban Revolution did not fit the same narrative as France and Russia. Unlike in those two nations, in Cuba the post-revolution tyrant was the revolution's leader from its inception.
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Killgore Trout Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:03:58pm |
BTW, if you aren't watching the new season of Louie you should be. It'll make you cringe more than a political spitting video and has better social commentary.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:04:27pm |
re: #408 Dark_Falcon
I agree, but I feel that not what Nolan saw the line as meaning: Nolan had Dent say that as meaning that after a while the compromises and non-clarities of politics combined with the attacks of their opponents will make any political leader look like a villain. Harvey Dent reasons from that that he must act swiftly and boldly, while he still has the public on his side.
Oh, I see that but I think the line can be interpreted other ways too. It's why political figures that have abbreviated careers due to assassination or death tend to get romanticized easier than those who have long careers.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:05:15pm |
re: #410 SanFranciscoZionist
It's complicated. I completely understand the impulse to gamble on rebellion in such a situation. The problem is that, from the armchair, the slim odds in Things Getting Better's favor are very visible.
It's not the people in the armchairs who are experiencing the oppression or the visceral need for freedom.
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:05:25pm |
re: #412 Killgore Trout
I posted a link to a site the same antisemitc troll was making the same Jewish-Nazi comments as here on LGF. Sorry of that's a problem for you
That doesn't make sense.
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HappyWarrior Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:06:59pm |
re: #413 Dark_Falcon
I understood what your argument was, but I needed to point out that the Cuban Revolution did not fit the same narrative as France and Russia. Unlike in those two nations, in Cuba the post-revolution tyrant was the revolution's leader from its inception.
Oh, yeah that's definitely true. I didn't mean to say the three were exactly the same but it fitting the broad view of what happened in the other two nations. Which thinking about it makes me all the more grateful that we had Washington as one of our leaders in our revolutionary days. He didn't turn into a Cromwell who ended up as dictatorial as the king he replaced but rather Washington was a rare man in those days who could walk away from power. I appreciate that alot and I think it's why we're successful because of hte examples he left.
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JamesWI Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:07:58pm |
re: #417 Gus
That doesn't make sense.
There was a (now-banned) guy in a previous thread who made some "Jews=Nazis" comment, Killgore posted the link to that site where the same guy made similar comments
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:08:55pm |
re: #415 HappyWarrior
Oh, I see that but I think the line can be interpreted other ways too. It's why political figures that have abbreviated careers due to assassination or death tend to get romanticized easier than those who have long careers.
Oh, it means that too. As we see in The Dark Knight Rises, James Gordon and the mayor of Gotham uses Harvey Dent's romantic memory to justify a major anti-crime crackdown under the "Dent Act"; an act whose core hypocrisy is disclosed by Bane to justify his takeover of Gotham City.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:09:02pm |
re: #371 b_sharp
Bias.
probably --I have a hard time passing judgement on vets, especially those from Vietnam.
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Charles Johnson Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:09:23pm |
re: #405 William of Orange
IE 9.0.8112.16421LS
Yep, I see the problem. The real cause of the problem is that Internet Explorer stinks, but I'll take a look at it this weekend.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:10:36pm |
re: #418 HappyWarrior
Oh, yeah that's definitely true. I didn't mean to say the three were exactly the same but it fitting the broad view of what happened in the other two nations. Which thinking about it makes me all the more grateful that we had Washington as one of our leaders in our revolutionary days. He didn't turn into a Cromwell who ended up as dictatorial as the king he replaced but rather Washington was a rare man in those days who could walk away from power. I appreciate that alot and I think it's why we're successful because of hte examples he left.
Actually, as I've mentioned previously, the fear of a standing army in the Colonial Period was mostly due to the cultural memory of the depredations of Cromwell and his New Model Army.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:10:41pm |
re: #382 calochortus
My question about "personhood" is: You can't force anyone to provide blood for a life saving transfusion, or give any other part of their body to save someone else's life. So, if you have an embryo or fetus who is totally dependent on the mother's body for their life, why does that fetus have the right to another person's body that no one else does?
I guess I, the woman, have no personhood status . . .
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Gus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:10:54pm |
re: #419 JamesWI
There was a (now-banned) guy in a previous thread who made some "Jews=Nazis" comment, Killgore posted the link to that site where the same guy made similar comments
Oh. Heh.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:12:26pm |
re: #413 Dark_Falcon
I understood what your argument was, but I needed to point out that the Cuban Revolution did not fit the same narrative as France and Russia. Unlike in those two nations, in Cuba the post-revolution tyrant was the revolution's leader from its inception.
Communism wasn't Castro et al's goal. Deposing Batista was. The communist ideology as a means of egalitarianism came later. The inability of communism to actually provide the promises its proponents claimed was reality kicking the people in the gonads. The tyranny was a result of having the wrong person in the wrong position. The most effective leader in a rebellion is the worst leader after the rebellion.
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Destro Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:12:52pm |
What's the joke? he sounds like this to me all the time? What?
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:13:15pm |
re: #424 ggt
I guess I, the woman, have no personhood status . . .
Sure we're people, but we also get to be personal incubators...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:14:07pm |
re: #428 calochortus
Sure we're people, but we also get to be personal incubators...
Please, don't get me started, I'm just too damn tired tonite and I don't want to use my sparse energy reserves screaming at the choir.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:14:41pm |
re: #419 JamesWI
There was a (now-banned) guy in a previous thread who made some "Jews=Nazis" comment, Killgore posted the link to that site where the same guy made similar comments
Normally, we'd grill the troll since its Friday night, but that troll was too rancid. So as I understand it Charles had Stinky wheel out the Flounce-a-pult Space Jesus built and catapulted the troll's carcass clear over to Democratic Underground.
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:14:57pm |
re: #429 ggt
Please, don't get me started, I'm just too damn tired tonite and I don't want to use my sparse energy reserves screaming at the choir.
OK. {plays soothing music and fluffs a pillow}
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:15:27pm |
re: #431 calochortus
OK. {plays soothing music and fluffs a pillow}
ah, that is nice . . .
chocolate on my pillow?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:15:48pm |
re: #421 ggt
probably --I have a hard time passing judgement on vets, especially those from Vietnam.
I wasn't saying there is anything wrong with your bias, just that it was there. Bias is part of us, IMHO, but there are places where it's useful and other places where it's damaging.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:16:11pm |
re: #426 b_sharp
Communism wasn't Castro et al's goal. Deposing Batista was. The communist ideology as a means of egalitarianism came later. The inability of communism to actually provide the promises its proponents claimed was reality kicking the people in the gonads. The tyranny was a result of having the wrong person in the wrong position. The most effective leader in a rebellion is the worst leader after the rebellion.
I disagree. I think Castro had always had a "will to power" and his being the revolution's leader meant the revolution was not going to end well.
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:16:26pm |
re: #432 ggt
ah, that is nice . . .
chocolate on my pillow?
Semisweet or dark? Perhaps a nice Bittersweet with a little port on the side? You'll be out cold in no time.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:17:15pm |
re: #435 calochortus
Semisweet or dark? Perhaps a nice Bittersweet with a little port on the side? You'll be out cold in no time.
no alcohol -- milk chocolate, *sigh*
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:17:55pm |
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Digital Display Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:18:23pm |
Would somebody please link a story of a 83 yr. old great grandma running an exclusive prostitution ring in DC? Or running a meth lab in Detroit? I wanna to see on youtube an 83 year old lady kicking a TSA agent in the nuts after a feel up. I want to see Ma Barker spit in somebodies eye then shoot him with a double barrel shotgun..
NOW THOSE ARE LINKS DAMNIT!
//
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:19:42pm |
re: #437 calochortus
Milk chocolate it is :-)
And can you make this sentiment go viral??? I'll donate all the profit to Obama and Planned Parentood
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:21:57pm |
re: #440 ggt
I fully endorse the sentiment, but I'm the last person in the world to be able to make anything go viral. I'm not on Facebook, I don't tweet, but I will share with my friends.
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Gretchen G.Tiger Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:23:12pm |
re: #441 calochortus
I fully endorse the sentiment, but I'm the last person in the world to be able to make anything go viral. I'm not on Facebook, I don't tweet, but I will share with my friends.
music, fluffy pillow, milk chocolate, shares --gosh, you are awesome!!!!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:23:35pm |
re: #416 b_sharp
It's not the people in the armchairs who are experiencing the oppression or the visceral need for freedom.
That's true. It's just that that doesn't mean that we're wrong when we say it probably won't go well.
This is what people really didn't seem to get about those of us who were dubious about Egypt from the start. It's not that I don't want Egypt to have nice things. It's not that I thought Mubarak was any prize. It's not even that I didn't have a great sense of good cheer when he finally toppled. It's just that wishing like hell for a good outcome does not make one, and whipped cream and nuts on top doesn't necessarily mean chocolate ice cream underneath.
I can't fault a single soul that was out there screaming for revolution (except for the ones who were involved in assaulting foreign journalists and, you know, folks like that.) But a new government in Egypt is not like clapping to save Tinkerbell. Just believing in it doesn't help very much. Especially me believing in it, from half a world away.
That said, despite my concern about the Brotherhood having forgotten all of their pre-campaign promises (the chief one being not to have any campaign promises), I am holding out some reserved hope that Morsi may have some redeeming qualities.
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calochortus Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:28:30pm |
re: #442 ggt
music, fluffy pillow, milk chocolate, shares --gosh, you are awesome!!!!!!
Aww, not really, but I try to make the world a little better...
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prairiefire Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:34:11pm |
re: #414 Killgore Trout
BTW, if you aren't watching the new season of Louie you should be. It'll make you cringe more than a political spitting video and has better social commentary.
That was a great long tracking shot of him running away from his father's house this week.
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prairiefire Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:35:24pm |
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:38:44pm |
re: #424 ggt
I guess I, the woman, have no personhood status . . .
There's a bit more subtlety there than what you've suggested. The fetus isn't there because of it's own actions, and the woman usually did have some input into the fetus's existence. (I don't include rape in that, btw, the woman has no control during rape) That means ethically it can't be viewed as a simple parasite so there will be a point where it should be recognized as a human.
During the time the zygote/blastocyst/fetus is just a bunch of cells, making it no more than just a potential human, its personhood is a silly concept. However, waiting till birth to give the fetus some human rights is equally silly.
The current crop of Republicans need to adopt a more practical and scientific concept of how to define a human and stop trying to force their religious views on others.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:49:34pm |
re: #434 Dark_Falcon
I disagree. I think Castro had always had a "will to power" and his being the revolution's leader meant the revolution was not going to end well.
That's similar to what the following part of my comment was saying.
The tyranny was a result of having the wrong person in the wrong position. The most effective leader in a rebellion is the worst leader after the rebellion.
That said, I still think his original goal wasn't to put himself in power but to free the population shit on by Batista. Unfortunately, many times goals change and humans are great at rationalizing their desires. Don't forget that Che, a friend of Castro, was part of political reform in Guatemala and was really bothered by the squalor and pain he saw around him, yet when in power in Cuba, did some really villainous things.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:52:13pm |
I'm staying here. I like the idea of a thread all to myself.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:54:48pm |
So who wants to hear about my hypothesis on how human morals formed?
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:00:10pm |
Is that a spider on the wall, or a bit of spittle?
I'd get up to look, but this chair is just too comfy.
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Bipartite Gnomenclature Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:01:09pm |
It would be cool if I could downding myself multiple times.
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