Dana and Chris Loesch Defend Akin’s ‘Legitimate Rape’ Comments

Loesch says Akin was ‘medically correct’
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Proving that there is nothing too dumb to defend for a member of the Breitbart Brigade, former tea partier, receiver of massive government subsidies, and conservative speaker Chris Loesch took to Twitter to claim that Todd Akin’s absurd comments about rape were “medically correct.”

In case you’ve been temporarily living under a rock, here’s what Akin said again:

‘First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare,’ Akin told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. ‘If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.’

Akin later claimed (implausibly) that he “misspoke.” But Chris Loesch didn’t think he misspoke. Chris Loesch thought Akin proved how “brilliant” he was.

A small sample of teh crazy from Loesch’s Twitter feed:

There’s plenty more where that came from.

I guess we should expect Liberty University to award Loesch with an honorary Ph.D. in Biology any day now.

Also see
CNN’s Dana Loesch Excuses GOP Rep. Akin’s ‘Legitimate Rape’ Remarks

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620 comments
1 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:42:57pm

What medical school gave Chris Loesch his M.D.?

Oh, that medical school on Teh Interwebz.

2 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:44:02pm
So you don't know that a woman's body can self terminate a pregnancy due to physical or emotional stress? It is defense.

It's difficult to be stunned by political discourse these days.

I'm stunned.

3 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:44:45pm

One word.

Derp.

4 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:45:54pm

re: #1 Learned Mother of Zion

What medical school gave Chris Loesch his M.D.?

Oh, that medical school on Teh Interwebz.

You don't need a medical degree to be an expert in telling women how their lady parts work. It's a built in part of wingnut patriachal knowledge base.

5 JRCMYP  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:46:14pm

Well, gee. If that's the case that women can just spontaneously abort an unwanted fetus because of stress, then abortion shouldn't be necessary at all!
/

What a jackass.

6 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:47:04pm
It doesn't even need defending. Are you claiming there are no false claims of rape?

Chris, when you're defending someone who you agree with, it's best not to give away the game more than they have.

7 Talking Point Detective  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:47:09pm

re: #4 The Ghost of a Flea

He specialized in the study of "down there."

8 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:47:36pm

Ha! Chris Loesch used tax money for his studio?

9 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:48:32pm

re: #7 Talking Point Detective

He specialized in the study of unmentionables. //

10 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:49:37pm

re: #8 Gus

Ha! Chris Loesch used tax money for his studio?

Yeah. Nice work if you can get it.

11 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:50:23pm
12 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:50:53pm

I'm sure Dana's uterus rejects Chris's sperm before he gets within twenty feet of her.

13 Petero1818  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:51:09pm

They are just laying the foundation for charging women who suffer miscarriages with murder. Sick bastards.

14 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:52:08pm

re: #12 darthstar

"Honey I have a bad headache." //

15 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:52:49pm

re: #10 makeitstop

Yeah. Nice work if you can get it.

I asked one of the owners of the studio, Chris Loesch a few questions about the new venture via Facebook:

How long did construction take?

After the architects and engineers got rolling along enough to give us a firm grasp of the scope and funds needed, we began the process of getting the Federal and State Historic Tax Credits, TIF's (Tax Incremental Financing) from the City and Brownfield remediation credits in place...

16 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:53:20pm

re: #7 Talking Point Detective

He specialized in the study of "down there."

Downthereologist

17 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:54:44pm

re: #13 Petero1818

They are just laying the foundation for charging women who suffer miscarriages with murder. Sick bastards.

Foundation's already been laid. Several state legislatures have already considered or passed bills making miscarriage legally a case of murder unless proven otherwise.

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:56:17pm

Retweet it!

19 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:56:34pm

These conversations are why women don't vote Republican. This is completely frightening. Charles, thank you for posting on this.

20 Petero1818  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:58:18pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

Foundation's already been laid. Several state legislatures have already considered or passed bills making miscarriage legally a case of murder unless proven otherwise.

I understand that. But this is a new aspect to the argument. One which goes to a woman's mens rea. That a woman who may not want a pregnancy can essentially will a pregnancy to terminate.

21 engineer cat  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:58:48pm

the implication of akin's idea re "legitimate rape" would lead to the supposition that if a woman claimed to have been raped but became pregnant, suspicion would be cast on her claim of rape

it ought to be clear how destructive and dangerous this superstitious, medieval, ignorant folk tale biology can be

22 JRCMYP  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:00:59pm

re: #21 engineer cat

the implication of akin's idea re "legitimate rape" would lead to the supposition that if a woman claimed to have been raped but became pregnant, suspicion would be cast on her claim of rape

it ought to be clear how destructive and dangerous this superstitious, medieval, ignorant folk tale biology can be

THIS is exactly the line of "logic" that supports his stupid, stupid reasoning. Thanks for connecting the dots.

23 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:01:23pm

re: #16 The Ghost of a Flea

Downthereologist

He needs to see an Upthereologist.

24 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:01:49pm

re: #20 Petero1818

I understand that. But this is a new aspect to the argument. One which goes to a woman's mens rea. That a woman who may not want a pregnancy can essentially will a pregnancy to terminate.

I see your point. And would certainly like to ask Mr. Loesch if a woman miscarrying after rape would, in his mind, be considered no different than her obtaining an abortion. After all, from a biological perspective, the same end result was reached.

25 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:02:49pm

re: #20 Petero1818

I understand that. But this is a new aspect to the argument. One which goes to a woman's mens rea. That a woman who may not want a pregnancy can essentially will a pregnancy to terminate.

The very idea of such arguments makes my head hurt. By that logic, being stressed out by a health crisis with one already-born child could be called a crime if a woman suffers a miscarriage. Insane and unproductive in the extreme.

26 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:02:57pm

re: #23 b_sharp

There is not enough matter in there to be counted.

27 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:04:26pm

re: #21 engineer cat

the implication of akin's idea re "legitimate rape" would lead to the supposition that if a woman claimed to have been raped but became pregnant, suspicion would be cast on her claim of rape

it ought to be clear how destructive and dangerous this superstitious, medieval, ignorant folk tale biology can be

And that really is what Loesch, Akin, and others who've supported the idea of "legitimate rape" or "forcible rape" or other weaselly words have been trying to push. That if a woman is raped and winds up pregnant, then since pro-life doctors have asserted that such pregnancies are exceedingly rare, every case of a pregnant woman alleging rape must be treated with skepticism. The victim is forced to prove their case, which the rapist will no doubt dispute.

28 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:05:36pm

re: #20 Petero1818

I understand that. But this is a new aspect to the argument. One which goes to a woman's mens rea. That a woman who may not want a pregnancy can essentially will a pregnancy to terminate.

They would claim the All Mighty Magic Uterus spits poison darts at unwanted suitors if they thought they could get away with it.

29 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:05:44pm

re: #20 Petero1818

I understand that. But this is a new aspect to the argument. One which goes to a woman's mens rea. That a woman who may not want a pregnancy can essentially will a pregnancy to terminate.

Not to be super scary, but:

Add up personhood and this new talking point about "women's body can self terminate" and suddenly you're looking at a very scary pseudo-scientific reason to first control pregnant women, then savagely persecute women who've had a miscarriage.

If they actually keep up this magical-miscarriage line, that's the only way to line it up with their prior talking points.

30 erik_t  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:08:24pm

I've been off the grid all day. Hadn't heard about any of this at all. I wish I'd stayed there.

I mean, what in the actual fuck.

31 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:09:41pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be super scary, but:

Add up personhood and this new talking point about "women's body can self terminate" and suddenly you're looking at a very scary pseudo-scientific reason to first control pregnant women, then savagely persecute women who've had a miscarriage.

If they actually keep up this magical-miscarriage line, that's the only way to line it up with their prior talking points.

Yeah, I always get a bit of private amusement at the personhood crowd. Do the anti-choice crowd thinks it ends when abortion is banned? That you're not going to spend funds on enforcing the law, as well as ensuring that confirmed pregnancies come to terms? If every life truly is precious, then the state has an obligation to ensure that it comes to fruition.

32 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:10:36pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

Add up personhood and this new talking point about "women's body can self terminate" and suddenly you're looking at a very scary pseudo-scientific reason to first control pregnant women, then savagely persecute women who've had a miscarriage.

That's the intention. It's the whole idea behind personhood bills and behind the very real, very scary war that the GOP is waging on women these days.

It's all about controlling a woman's body from cradle to grave, including prosecuting her for miscarrying a baby. After all, if she'd been a good Christian girl instead of a dirty slut, she would have spontaneously aborted during or immediately after rape because of stress. And if she wasn't raped and her body miscarried anyway? Well, she's just an evil murderer who deserves prison time.

33 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:10:39pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

When I first asked what you thought of Todd Akin, you said you'd do more research and get back to me.

So...now that the research has pretty much been done for you (and everyone else, for that matter), do you think he's fit to hold office?

34 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:11:00pm

re: #30 erik_t

I've been off the grid all day. Hadn't heard about any of this at all. I wish I'd stayed there.

I mean, what in the actual fuck.

A bunch of Republican hacks realized the War On Woman wasn't proceeding as originally intended and decided to double down.

35 erik_t  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:11:24pm

It only took a single cycle for the GOP to find a Senate candidate nuttier than Sharron Angle.

36 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:11:51pm

re: #29 The Ghost of a Flea

Not to be super scary, but:

Add up personhood and this new talking point about "women's body can self terminate" and suddenly you're looking at a very scary pseudo-scientific reason to first control pregnant women, then savagely persecute women who've had a miscarriage.

If they actually keep up this magical-miscarriage line, that's the only way to line it up with their prior talking points.

Sitting here wondering if I should just go back to shoving my daughter's ridiculously rich cookies in my mouth, because this is so stupid there's almost no point.

However, if stress causes a miscarriage, why do teens still carry to term? Being pregnant and 15 can't be light on the stress.

Also, the woman I knew who was pregnant as a result of rape was under unbelievable stress from a lot of places already, and it didn't affect things.

37 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:12:32pm

The House GOP's Plan to Redefine Rape

"...The bill hasn't been carefully constructed, Levenson notes. The term "forcible rape" is not defined in the federal criminal code, and the bill's authors don't offer their own definition. In some states, there is no legal definition of "forcible rape," making it unclear whether any abortions would be covered by the rape exemption in those jurisdictions.

The main abortion-rights groups despise the Smith bill as a whole, but they are particularly outraged by its rape provisions. Tait Sye, a spokesman for Planned Parenthood Federation of America, calls the proposed changes "unacceptable." Donna Crane, the policy director of NARAL Pro-Choice America, says that making the "already narrow exceptions for public funding of abortion care for rape and incest survivors even more restrictive" is "unbelievably cruel and heartless."

38 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:12:38pm

re: #32 Lidane

That's the intention. It's the whole idea behind personhood bills and behind the very real, very scary war that the GOP is waging on women these days.

It's all about controlling a woman's body from cradle to grave, including prosecuting her for miscarrying a baby. After all, if she'd been a good Christian girl instead of a dirty slut, she would have spontaneously aborted during or immediately after rape because of stress. And if she wasn't raped and her body miscarried anyway? Well, she's just an evil murderer who deserves prison time.

Apparently they didn't get the memo that The Handmaid's Tale is just a work of fiction, not an instruction manual.

39 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:12:42pm

re: #33 Interesting Times

When I first asked what you thought of Todd Akin, you said you'd do more research and get back to me.

So...now that the research has pretty much been done for you and everyone else, do you think he's fit to hold office?

What I think is that I won't be recommending anyone I know who has family in Missouri vote for him, not as long as this sticks by him.

40 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:12:46pm

re: #28 What, me worry?

They would claim the All Mighty Magic Uterus spits poison darts at unwanted suitors if they thought they could get away with it.

Well, vaginas do have teeth, right?

///

41 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:13:21pm

re: #36 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Sitting here wondering if I should just go back to shoving my daughter's ridiculously rich cookies in my mouth, because this is so stupid there's almost no point.

However, if stress causes a miscarriage, why do teens still carry to term? Being pregnant and 15 can't be light on the stress.

Also, the woman I knew who was pregnant as a result of rape was under unbelievable stress from a lot of places already, and it didn't affect things.

Time to go crack open the bag of Rolos. BBIAM

42 erik_t  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:14:16pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

What I think is that I won't be recommending anyone I know who has family in Missouri vote for him, not as long as this sticks by him.

That's more mealy-mouthed than Mitt Romney.

43 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:14:55pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

What I think is that I won't be recommending anyone I know who has family in Missouri vote for him, not as long as this sticks by him.

I'm sure the GOP will recover from the hallucinations they're going through right now at some point.

44 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:14:56pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Yes !
Thank you ! I could not remember the name of that book.

45 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:15:04pm

re: #40 TedStriker

Well, vaginas do have teeth, right?

///

This is how the crotchless undie industry began. You didn't know that, I bet.

46 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:15:12pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

What I think is that I won't be recommending anyone I know who has family in Missouri vote for him, not as long as this sticks by him.

So if Akin somehow managed to make it un-stick from him, he'd be worth recommending? Help me out here.

The guy unleashed pure, unvarnished wingnut in public. There's no "sticking" or un-sticking here. He gave his actual opinion and actual feelings in his original statement, just as he's done with everything else he's had to walk back and/or explain. What would be the difference if he somehow managed to make this story die down? His misogyny would still be there.

47 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:15:12pm

re: #40 TedStriker

Well, vaginas do have teeth, right?

///

Only the best ones.

48 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:15:13pm

I don't know...I'm sure a lot of people would like to see this GOP hero swimming naked in Israel.

Image: 120818_tom_reed_605.jpg

Though truth be told, I'm not one of them.

49 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:17:10pm

re: #38 Targetpractice

Apparently they didn't get the memo that The Handmaid's Tale is just a work of fiction, not an instruction manual.

C'mon, RWNJs are just doing their part to have life imitate art!

///

50 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:18:33pm

re: #46 Lidane

So if Akin somehow managed to make it un-stick from him, he'd be worth recommending? Help me out here.

The guy unleashed pure, unvarnished wingnut in public. There's no "sticking" or un-sticking here. He gave his actual opinion and actual feelings in his original statement, just as he's done with everything else he's had to walk back and/or explain. What would be the difference if he somehow managed to make this story die down? His misogyny would still be there.

Die down no. He'd have to explain what lead him to make this off-the-blooming-wall statement and then affirm he no longer thought that thing to be accurate.

51 erik_t  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:18:43pm

re: #46 Lidane

So if Akin somehow managed to make it un-stick from him, he'd be worth recommending? Help me out here.

Forget recommendations for or against office. This person should be shunned from polite society. I would slam my front door in his face.

52 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:19:40pm

re: #39 Dark_Falcon

What I think is that I won't be recommending anyone I know who has family in Missouri vote for him, not as long as this sticks by him.

In other words, after this blows over in a few days you'll go back to supporting this cocksucker?

53 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:19:56pm

re: #52 darthstar

In other words, after this blows over in a few days you'll go back to supporting this cocksucker?

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Die down no. He'd have to explain what lead him to make this off-the-blooming-wall statement and then affirm he no longer thought that thing to be accurate.

54 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:20:25pm

re: #51 erik_t

As I have said before, "Get out of my bedroom, get out of my house and do not let the door hit you on the way out."

55 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:20:43pm

re: #48 darthstar

I don't know...I'm sure a lot of people would like to see this GOP hero swimming naked in Israel.

Image: 120818_tom_reed_605.jpg

Though truth be told, I'm not one of them.

Sharks would love him.

56 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:20:59pm

re: #48 darthstar

I don't know...I'm sure a lot of people would like to see this GOP hero swimming naked in Israel.

Image: 120818_tom_reed_605.jpg

Though truth be told, I'm not one of them.

Here ya go!

57 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:21:18pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Die down no. He'd have to explain what lead him to make this off-the-blooming-wall statement and then affirm he no longer thought that thing to be accurate.

He already did...he said he 'misspoke'.

Never mind...partisan loyalty > rational thought...I also forgot about your crush on Dana Loesch...but here's a reminder.


58 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:21:47pm

re: #28 What, me worry?

They would claim the All Mighty Magic Uterus spits poison darts at unwanted suitors if they thought they could get away with it.

Duck vaginas have that capability.

A woman...weighs the same as a duck!

Youtube Video
59 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:21:49pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

He'd have to explain what lead him to make this off-the-blooming-wall statement and then affirm he no longer thought that thing to be accurate.

That's just it, Dark. His original statements are his real thoughts and real feelings. He said exactly what he meant. He thinks he's accurate. Even his "I misspoke" statements after the fact are just a mealy-mouthed "I'm sorry you got offended" non-apology.

He thinks he said something right and that everyone else is over-reacting. What more do you need to know?

60 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:22:01pm

re: #56 Gus

Ack. Where is the brain bleach?

61 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:22:09pm

re: #50 Dark_Falcon

Die down no. He'd have to explain what lead him to make this off-the-blooming-wall statement and then affirm he no longer thought that thing to be accurate.

He 'misspoke.'

No affirmation that his words were wrong.

And that's pretty much all we're gonna get, I reckon. He didn't acknowledge that what he said was non-medical twaddle, just that he didn't say it correctly or something. Fuck him, legitimately.

62 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:22:44pm

re: #36 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Sitting here wondering if I should just go back to shoving my daughter's ridiculously rich cookies in my mouth, because this is so stupid there's almost no point.

However, if stress causes a miscarriage, why do teens still carry to term? Being pregnant and 15 can't be light on the stress.

Also, the woman I knew who was pregnant as a result of rape was under unbelievable stress from a lot of places already, and it didn't affect things.

This new talking point is an astounding dismissal of the world beyond the artificial reality of wingnut-dom. Ahistorical, acontextual, amoral.

There's a terrible, intimate history of rape as a weapon of war (and democide) and bearing the children of rape that threads through times of conflict. Personal accounts, legal discusions, religous and ethical ponderings. That's all just hand-waved--millions of women through history secretly wanted to bear the child of an invader that raped her. Hundreds of thousands of women and young girls in destabilized areas of conflict right now...same thing.

How stupid and callous do you have to be to tow this line?

63 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:23:27pm

re: #45 What, me worry?

This is how the crotchless undie industry began. You didn't know that, I bet.

Vagina teeth were chomping through panties?

64 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:25:48pm

Hey. You notice swatting seems to have vanished from the intertoobs? What's up with that?

65 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:26:36pm

re: #57 darthstar

The avatar was meant to show my opposition to her. At the time she was using the box art from the GI Joe 'Lady Jayne' action figure.

66 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:26:47pm

re: #53 Dark_Falcon

This was no gaffe, D_F; Akins said exactly what he feels and what he would do when proposing policy.

Akins' record is very clear; no amount of tapdancing around it is going to make it any better.

67 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:26:59pm

re: #64 Gus

Is swatting in Twitter Gulag?

68 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:27:34pm

re: #59 Lidane

That's just it, Dark. His original statements are his real thoughts and real feelings. He said exactly what he meant. He thinks he's accurate. Even his "I misspoke" statements after the fact are just a mealy-mouthed "I'm sorry you got offended" non-apology.

He thinks he said something right and that everyone else is over-reacting. What more do you need to know?

And I'll not support him as long as he thinks his ideas were correct.

69 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:27:37pm

re: #65 Dark_Falcon

The avatar was meant to show my opposition to her. At the time she was using the box art from the GI Joe 'Lady Jayne' action figure.

Okay, fine. As you say.

70 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:27:38pm

re: #66 TedStriker

This was no gaffe, D_F; Akins said exactly what he feels and what he would do when proposing policy.

Akins' record is very clear; no amount of tapdancing around it is going to make it any better.

71 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:27:42pm

re: #58 Learned Mother of Zion

BURN HER!!!

72 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:28:53pm

re: #67 jaunte

Is swatting in Twitter Gulag?

Seems like it. But yeah. Haven't heard a peep.

73 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:29:40pm
74 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:33:18pm

Conservatives can't be reasoned with. The movement above all else.

75 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:34:52pm

I personally don't care about Reed's naked escapade.

76 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:38:15pm
77 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:38:27pm

re: #75 Gus

I personally don't care about Reed's naked escapade.

Makes for a damn good Tweet, though! :)

78 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:39:12pm

re: #76 darthstar

lol. When in trouble change the subject. The new GOP rules.

79 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:41:05pm

re: #77 makeitstop

Makes for a damn good Tweet, though! :)

Yep. It does. FBI investigation? For that? Seriously? That's going overboard. We can joke about it but this isn't anything too serious for me. Unless there was some kind of international incident that came out it. I didn't read of any.

80 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:41:43pm

Of course. Had it been the other way around... and Reed was a Democrat...

81 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:42:50pm

re: #76 darthstar


Oh no ! That's not anyone's business.
It's his choice what he does with his tax returns.

82 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:42:54pm
83 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:45:24pm

re: #82 darthstar

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Geez, and I thought Teresa was bad back in '04.

84 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:47:01pm

Night all.
These people are nuts, and I've had enough for one day.

85 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:48:03pm

Akin 'clarifies,' attempts second 'apology'

It's amazing how contrite one can become after being caught saying something asinine.

86 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:48:19pm

re: #82 darthstar

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We all know that's not an actual story, right?

87 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:48:31pm

re: #82 darthstar

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You do know that article is satire, don't you? (I agree, it isn't terribly unbelievable.)

88 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:48:52pm

re: #82 darthstar

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I depend on my husband to provide for me and my family, as should most women…

Wow.

89 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:49:15pm

I just posted this too! I was reading the news and got so PISSED!

It's all about the return to a patriarchal society --nothing else.

In these cave dwellers minds, rape isn't grounds for divorce.

Only violent rape that can cause an extreme orgasm that in turn can cause an ovary to pop an egg is considered "legitimate" rape. You know, like when conquering soldiers rape the women of the men they killed . . . ..

90 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:49:41pm

re: #75 Gus

I personally don't care about Reed's naked escapade.

Naked politicians = who gives a fuck.

91 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:49:47pm

re: #86 Renaissance_Man

We all know that's not an actual story, right?

Oops...didn't realize it was a satire site...my bad.

92 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:49:54pm

re: #82 darthstar

re: #83 Targetpractice

Image: ann-romney-connects.jpg

93 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:50:10pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Naked politicians = who gives a fuck.

(their whores do...)

94 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:50:18pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Naked politicians = who gives a fuck.

And who even wants to look?

95 andres  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:50:40pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Akin 'clarifies,' attempts second 'apology'

It's amazing how contrite one can become after being caught saying something asinine.

It's not looking good for Akin, if he has to apologize twice. I might expect an announcement before Tuesday.

96 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:50:47pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Akin 'clarifies,' attempts second 'apology'

It's amazing how contrite one can become after being caught saying something asinine.

Ain't good enough, Todd. I'd need to know how the Hell it was you came to such a screwy conclusion in the first place.

97 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:50:54pm

re: #82 darthstar

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Did A. Romney really say that?

98 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:51:52pm

re: #97 b_sharp

Did A. Romney really say that?

no

99 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #97 b_sharp

Did A. Romney really say that?

Not that I'm aware...just playing with the power of twitter.

100 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:52:02pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Akin 'clarifies,' attempts second 'apology'

It's amazing how contrite one can become after being caught saying something asinine.

Apparently, no one taught this moron the first rule of holes -- when you find yourself in one, stop digging.

Oh well. It's just more ammo for Claire McCaskill to use against him, which suits me fine.

101 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:52:14pm

re: #98 allegro

no

I see.

102 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:52:20pm

re: #85 makeitstop

Akin 'clarifies,' attempts second 'apology'

It's amazing how contrite one can be after being caught saying something asinine.

He tries again and just ends up digging himself deeper. So he acknowledges that rape can result in pregnancy, but still won't comment on how he defines "legitimate rape."

103 andres  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:52:32pm

re: #97 b_sharp

Did A. Romney really say that?

It's satire.

No, not "satire". Actual satire.

104 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:53:07pm

Of course, teaching real science in the public schools is ickky and violates parental rights or some such bullshit. We have unbelievable ignorance about how babies are made. For the Western World it is a total embarrassment. Not to mention the CHILDREN.

"In the current study, more than one-third of women who had unintended births reported that they didn't think they could get pregnant."

105 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:53:07pm

re: #100 Lidane

Apparently, no one taught this moron the first rule of holes -- when you find yourself in one, stop digging.

Oh well. It's just more ammo for Claire McCaskill to use against him, which suits me fine.

I'm still trying to mesh that in with the advice my wife has given me over the years.

106 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:53:50pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

I'd need to know how the Hell it was you came to such a screwy conclusion in the first place.

He bought into the bullshit being spread by "pro-life" doctors that pregnancy from rape is rare. That's how.

107 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:54:01pm

re: #104 ggt

Of course, teaching real science in the public schools is ickky and violates parental rights or some such bullshit. We have unbelievable ignorance about how babies are made. For the Western World it is a total embarrassment. Not to mention the CHILDREN.

The so surprising results of abstinence only "education."

108 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:55:07pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Ain't good enough, Todd. I'd need to know how the Hell it was you came to such a screwy conclusion in the first place.

Sometimes, looking for a reason to excuse bad behavior isn't worth the effort.

109 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:55:35pm

The Seasoned Pro

...In just over a week since securing the GOP nomination, Akin has doubled-down on likening student loans to socialism, questioned the value of voting rights laws, called for the end of the federal school lunch program and then — in an interview that made national headlines — openly speculated about the consequences of “legitimate rape.”
[Link: www.politico.com...]

110 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:56:02pm

re: #90 b_sharp

Naked politicians = who gives a fuck.

The only reason I have some modicum of care is that skinny dipping is not generally considered a Family Value(tm). People in glass houses, and all that.

111 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:56:10pm

re: #96 Dark_Falcon

Ain't good enough, Todd. I'd need to know how the Hell it was you came to such a screwy conclusion in the first place.

That's how I feel. Apology doesn't cut it...he made claim and try to back it with dubious evidence. That's not a hasty declaration that can be described as a mis-speak.

112 b_sharp  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:56:21pm

re: #102 Targetpractice

He tries again and just ends up digging himself deeper. So he acknowledges that rape can result in pregnancy, but still won't comment on how he defines "legitimate rape."

Until he says unequivocally that women cannot magically prevent pregnancy when raped, he's not apologized for stupidity. Until he admits that the vast majority of rape reports are true, he hasn't apologized for misogyny.

113 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:56:26pm

re: #109 jaunte

The Seasoned Pro

And he's running for the Senate, knowing that if he fails, the yahoos in his district will just reelect him to the House.

Ain't democracy grand?//

114 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:56:52pm

re: #108 darthstar

Sometimes, looking for a reason to excuse bad behavior isn't worth the effort.

That's why I'm not doing it. He can come clean or take a flying leap into Cloud Cukooland. I'd prefer the former, but I'll settle for the latter.

115 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:57:02pm

re: #56 Gus

Here ya go!

mind-bleach warning would have been nice

:|

116 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:58:36pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

That's why I'm not doing it. He can come clean or take a flying leap into Cloud Cukooland. I'd prefer the former, but I'll settle for the latter.

So you still want to believe in this asshole? You're fucking sick.

117 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:59:34pm

There is a bright lining here. It appears that this dumbfuck will at least not be taking a seat in the Senate due to a serious backlash for his dumbfuckery.

118 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 7:59:51pm

I'm really getting turned off by "Newsroom". Half the time, some irate female is screaming her fool head off about something while the dudes remain calm, cool and collected. Grrrr.

119 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:00:08pm

Stalwart conservative equals complete imbecile.

120 JamesWI  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:00:15pm

re: #104 ggt

Of course, teaching real science in the public schools is ickky and violates parental rights or some such bullshit. We have unbelievable ignorance about how babies are made. For the Western World it is a total embarrassment. Not to mention the CHILDREN.

A few years ago when I was still in college/law school, I'd occasionally catch episodes of the Maury show (embarrassing, but hilarious!) I specifically remember one guy claiming he couldn't possibly be the father, because he was told it was medically impossible for him to father a female child. Apparently, this guy legitimately believed his sperm were only capable of creating male babies. Safe to say, he was the father. And I saw a few others that were close to this level of stupidity.

Thanks Social Conservatives!

121 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:00:39pm

This is the kind of shit that leads people like Todd Akin to talk about "legitimate rape" and to say that a woman's body can somehow miraculously prevent pregnancy during rape because of the stress:

[Link: www.christianliferesources.com...]

That article is from 1999. It's been a long-standing view among the so-called "pro-life" types that the rape exception for abortion is a red herring because women supposedly almost never get pregnant when they're raped. To wit:

Finally, factor in what is certainly one of the most important reasons why a rape victim rarely gets pregnant, and that's physical trauma. Every woman is aware that stress and emotional factors can alter her menstrual cycle. To get and stay pregnant a woman's body must produce a very sophisticated mix of hormones. Hormone production is controlled by a part of the brain that is easily influenced by emotions. There's no greater emotional trauma that can be experienced by a woman than an assault rape. This can radically upset her possibility of ovulation, fertilization, implantation and even nurturing of a pregnancy. So what further percentage reduction in pregnancy will this cause? No one knows, but this factor certainly cuts this last figure by at least 50 percent and probably more. If we use the 50 percent figure, we have a final figure of 225 (or 370) women pregnant each year. These numbers closely match the 200 that have been documented in clinical studies.

So assault rape pregnancy is extremely rare. If we use the figure of 200, it is 4 per state per year. Even if we use a figure of 500, we're talking about only ten per state, per year.

This is what people like Todd Akin are relying on for their information. This is what passes for scholarship among the "pro-life" side. And it's why there's no un-sticking this from Akin or his campaign. He thinks he's correct. He thinks that "real" rapes almost never lead to pregnancy. It's repugnant, but that's why he thinks it -- because that's what the "pro-life" side believes.

122 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:00:47pm

Chris Loesch @ChrisLoesch

. @Jennyjinx So you don't know that a woman's body can self terminate a pregnancy due to physical or emotional stress? It is defense.

Um, wouldn't giving women's bodies this kind of power go against the anti-choice position that God values all human life at conception? By that logic, if women have the power to self abort under duress why would God have a problem with a medical abortion in the event that the natural way to abort fails or is faulty in some way?

123 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:01:10pm

re: #120 JamesWI

A few years ago when I was still in college/law school, I'd occasionally catch episodes of the Maury show (embarrassing, but hilarious!) I specifically remember one guy claiming he couldn't possibly be the father, because he was told it was medically impossible for him to father a female child. Apparently, this guy legitimately believed his sperm were only capable of creating male babies. Safe to say, he was the father. And I saw a few others that were close to this level of stupidity.

Thanks Social Conservatives!

Um, who did he think fathered girl children?

124 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:01:14pm

re: #117 allegro

There is a bright lining here. It appears that this dumbfuck will at least not be taking a seat in the Senate due to a serious backlash for his dumbfuckery.

Somehow, I don't think the gods are that kind these days.

125 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:02:06pm

re: #113 Targetpractice

And he's running for the Senate, knowing that if he fails, the yahoos in his district will just reelect him to the House.

Ain't democracy grand?//

I hope he doesn't step down from the nomination. The GOP deserves this stupid asshole as their standard bearer.

126 JamesWI  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:02:27pm

re: #123 allegro

Um, who did he think fathered girl children?

No, he thought his sperm were special/disabled. That they were missing the components it would take to make a female baby.

127 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:04:02pm

re: #120 JamesWI

A few years ago when I was still in college/law school, I'd occasionally catch episodes of the Maury show (embarrassing, but hilarious!) I specifically remember one guy claiming he couldn't possibly be the father, because he was told it was medically impossible for him to father a female child. Apparently, this guy legitimately believed his sperm were only capable of creating male babies. Safe to say, he was the father. And I saw a few others that were close to this level of stupidity.

Thanks Social Conservatives!

I saw an episode where the accused father said the baby couldn't be his because the baby didn't speak Spanish. When he turned out to not be the father he said "See Maury. I told you!".

128 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:04:17pm

re: #120 JamesWI

A few years ago when I was still in college/law school, I'd occasionally catch episodes of the Maury show (embarrassing, but hilarious!) I specifically remember one guy claiming he couldn't possibly be the father, because he was told it was medically impossible for him to father a female child. Apparently, this guy legitimately believed his sperm were only capable of creating male babies. Safe to say, he was the father. And I saw a few others that were close to this level of stupidity.

Thanks Social Conservatives!

I've flipped onto that show a few times recently, and when it's not baby daddy episodes, it's cheater episodes. And some of the leaps of logic I see would make Evel Knievel cringe.

129 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:04:34pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

Um, wouldn't giving women's bodies this kind of power go against the anti-choice position that God values all human life at conception? By that logic, if women have the power to self abort under duress why would God have a problem with a medical abortion in the event that the natural way to abort fails or is faulty in some way?

Read the article I link to in 121. It's a primer in where this bullshit that Akin is yammering on about comes from.

The "pro-life" side believes all this shit as an article of faith. They honestly think that women almost never get pregnant from rape because the body can miraculously defend itself and self-abort or something.

130 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:06:24pm

re: #121 Lidane

This is the kind of shit that leads people like Todd Akin to talk about "legitimate rape" and to say that a woman's body can somehow miraculously prevent pregnancy during rape because of the stress:

[Link: www.christianliferesources.com...]

That article is from 1999. It's been a long-standing view among the so-called "pro-life" types that the rape exception for abortion is a red herring because women supposedly almost never get pregnant when they're raped. To wit:

This is what people like Todd Akin are relying on for their information. This is what passes for scholarship among the "pro-life" side. And it's why there's no un-sticking this from Akin or his campaign. He thinks he's correct. He thinks that "real" rapes almost never lead to pregnancy. It's repugnant, but that's why he thinks it -- because that's what the "pro-life" side believes.

This is circular logic. If rape is a legitimate exemption for abortion, even for most anti-choicers, then there can be no pregnancies that are the result of a "legitimate rape". It's the No True Scotsman argument for the forced birthers.

131 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:07:29pm

re: #129 Lidane

Read the article I link to in 121. It's a primer in where this bullshit that Akin is yammering on about comes from.

The "pro-life" side believes all this shit as an article of faith. They honestly think that women almost never get pregnant from rape because the body can miraculously defend itself and self-abort or something.

And that, if a woman does become pregnant, then the rape wasn't forced. That you can't be a victim if you're willing, and thus in their binary minds, a pregnant woman can't claim rape because she'd only be pregnant if she was willing.

132 Ming  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:07:31pm

Romney and Ryan know that to win, they must distract the attention of Independent voters away from any and all "social issues". They absolutely must make this election about the current economy, about the current 8.3% unemployment rate, about their manufactured grievances about the Affordable Care Act.

They want to keep the current Republican extremism about "social issues" far, far away from the minds of independent and undecided voters.

133 andres  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:08:19pm

re: #109 jaunte

The Seasoned Pro

From the article:

For other GOP operatives and political players, Akin’s opinion on rape was just the culmination of growing uneasiness with a campaign that appears to be at best undisciplined and at worst reckless and unwilling to heed outside advice. Akin’s son is running the campaign and his wife is seen as the candidate’s most influential adviser.

My guess is that, if no one else enters his campaign team, he'll stick thru it.

134 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:09:33pm

Paul Ryan Discloses $1 Million to $5 Million Family Trust

135 andres  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:09:55pm

re: #132 Ming

Romney and Ryan know that to win, they must distract the attention of Independent voters away from any and all "social issues". They absolutely must make this election about the current economy, about the current 8.3% unemployment rate, about their manufactured grievances about the Affordable Care Act.

They want to keep the current Republican extremism about "social issues" far, far away from the minds of independent and undecided voters.

And they are doing a horrible job at it.

136 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:09:57pm

re: #129 Lidane

Read the article I link to in 121. It's a primer in where this bullshit that Akin is yammering on about comes from.

The "pro-life" side believes all this shit as an article of faith. They honestly think that women almost never get pregnant from rape because the body can miraculously defend itself and self-abort or something.

These people are crazy and stupid and I don't know what to do about it because it's willful ignorance.

The worst part is, it that it probably won't hurt him. If Republicans saying crazy things actually hurt them, I'd be less upset. But these people don't seem to pay any real consequences because half the country agrees with them and votes regularly and half of the other half can't always be bothered to vote at all.

I am depressed right now.

137 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:11:21pm

re: #132 Ming

Romney and Ryan know that to win, they must distract the attention of Independent voters away from any and all "social issues". They absolutely must make this election about the current economy, about the current 8.3% unemployment rate, about their manufactured grievances about the Affordable Care Act.

They want to keep the current Republican extremism about "social issues" far, far away from the minds of independent and undecided voters.

They're doing it wrong.

138 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:11:27pm
139 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:12:15pm

re: #134 ggt

Paul Ryan Discloses $1 Million to $5 Million Family Trust

Well, it's disclosed, been so since April. Better it came out in the Wall Street Journal than by a political blog.

140 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:12:34pm

re: #121 Lidane

This is the kind of shit that leads people like Todd Akin to talk about "legitimate rape" and to say that a woman's body can somehow miraculously prevent pregnancy during rape because of the stress:

[Link: www.christianliferesources.com...]

That article is from 1999. It's been a long-standing view among the so-called "pro-life" types that the rape exception for abortion is a red herring because women supposedly almost never get pregnant when they're raped. To wit:

This is what people like Todd Akin are relying on for their information. This is what passes for scholarship among the "pro-life" side. And it's why there's no un-sticking this from Akin or his campaign. He thinks he's correct. He thinks that "real" rapes almost never lead to pregnancy. It's repugnant, but that's why he thinks it -- because that's what the "pro-life" side believes.

So, they must have missed the part that reminds us that WE WERE MADE FOR SURVIVAL. We are wired to eat , fuck and learn. Our bodies WANT to be pregnant. Has he ever seen those famine victim pictures. Women, all skin and bones and OBVIOUSLY pregnant?????

141 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:12:39pm

re: #133 andres

For other GOP operatives and political players, Akin’s opinion on rape was just the culmination of growing uneasiness with a campaign that appears to be at best undisciplined and at worst reckless and unwilling to heed outside advice. Akin’s son is running the campaign and his wife is seen as the candidate’s most influential adviser.

Well, that explains a lot.

142 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:13:42pm

re: #126 JamesWI

No, he thought his sperm were special/disabled. That they were missing the components it would take to make a female baby.

I can see that sort of understanding coming from someone who wasn't too bright to begin with, and only had one testicle, being told that the right one produced male sperm and the left one produced female sperm.

Yeah, it's a reach... would require Akinesque levels of obtuseness...

143 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:13:44pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Well, it's disclosed, been so since April. Better it came out in the Wall Street Journal than by a political blog.

The Wall Street Journal is a political blog...right wing, but since Murdoch bought it, not much more than a blog with a print version.

144 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:13:50pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

Chris Loesch @ChrisLoesch

. @Jennyjinx So you don't know that a woman's body can self terminate a pregnancy due to physical or emotional stress? It is defense.

Um, wouldn't giving women's bodies this kind of power go against the anti-choice position that God values all human life at conception? By that logic, if women have the power to self abort under duress why would God have a problem with a medical abortion in the event that the natural way to abort fails or is faulty in some way?

It can definitely give you a headache.

Not to mention that LEGITIMATE pregnancies are 100% stress free!!

145 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:14:28pm

re: #140 ggt

So, they must have missed the part that reminds us that WE WERE MADE FOR SURVIVAL. We are wired to eat , fuck and learn. Our bodies WANT to be pregnant. Has he ever seen those famine victim pictures. Women, all skin and bones and OBVIOUSLY pregnant?????

There are also plenty of women in the Sudan, Congo and the Balkans who would like to have a word with him about the whole not being able to get pregnant from "real" forcible rape.

146 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:14:36pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

And that, if a woman does become pregnant, then the rape wasn't forced. That you can't be a victim if you're willing, and thus in their binary minds, a pregnant woman can't claim rape because she'd only be pregnant if she was willing.

If she got pregnant, she wasn't a witch! They are the only ones who can keep from getting pregnant after a rape!

147 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:15:14pm

re: #131 Targetpractice

And that, if a woman does become pregnant, then the rape wasn't forced. That you can't be a victim if you're willing, and thus in their binary minds, a pregnant woman can't claim rape because she'd only be pregnant if she was willing.

That is so bass-twisted-stupid. Violent rape has a high conception rate. Bio teacher in college explained it to us. Sick as it is, it's part of the survival of the species programming.

148 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:15:15pm

re: #5 JRCMYP

Well, gee. If that's the case that women can just spontaneously abort an unwanted fetus because of stress, then abortion shouldn't be necessary at all!
/

What a jackass.

Women carry pregnancies to term in war zones, in famine zones, in abusive marriages, while enslaved...if stress led to miscarriage on a routine basis, humans would be rarer than we are.

149 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:15:36pm

re: #142 Mentis Fugit

I can see that sort of understanding coming from someone who wasn't too bright to begin with, and only had one testicle, being told that the right one produced male sperm and the left one produced female sperm.

Yeah, it's a reach... would require Akinesque levels of obtuseness...

Maybe we should start a rumor that left testicles produce leftists.
/

150 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:15:38pm

re: #142 Mentis Fugit

I can see that sort of understanding coming from someone who wasn't too bright to begin with, and only had one testicle, being told that the right one produced male sperm and the left one produced female sperm.

Yeah, it's a reach... would require Akinesque levels of obtuseness...

Sounds like this guy could have been an extra in Deliverance.

151 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:16:13pm

re: #139 Dark_Falcon

Well, it's disclosed, been so since April. Better it came out in the Wall Street Journal than by a political blog.

I don't care about his trust. I want to know how he became a millionaire when his entire career has been in government service.

152 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:16:46pm

re: #146 austin_blue

If she got pregnant, she wasn't a witch!

I thought that was only determined after the baby was born. If the baby is lighter than a duck, then she is a witch.

///

153 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:17:51pm

re: #147 ggt

That is so bass-twisted-stupid. Violent rape has a high conception rate. Bio teacher in college explained it to us. Sick as it is, it's part of the survival of the species programming.

Exactly. Human pregnancies survive all kinds of stress and horror. Our biological programming is the opposite of what this guy is claiming.

154 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:18:05pm

re: #48 darthstar

I don't know...I'm sure a lot of people would like to see this GOP hero swimming naked in Israel.

Image: 120818_tom_reed_605.jpg

Though truth be told, I'm not one of them.

Swimming in Israel?

??

155 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:18:17pm

Sometimes you have to get naked.

156 andres  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:18:27pm

re: #109 jaunte

The Seasoned Pro

One last bit from the article:

Privately, McCaskill’s top aides are equally circumspect and do not underestimate their foe or the challenging environment they face.

I certainly would be. Akin Team just gave McCaskill enough material to work until October. But, never look into a gifted horse's mouth.

157 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:18:56pm

re: #151 allegro

I don't care about his trust. I want to know how he became a millionaire when his entire career has been in government service.

It's the magic of 174K a year...you get about 115 after taxes, pay about 20-30k on your mortgage, put 10-15k per kid aside for their college education, and the next thing you know, you've got an extra 3-5 million lying around...magic!

158 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:19:36pm

re: #147 ggt

That is so bass-twisted-stupid. Violent rape has a high conception rate. Bio teacher in college explained it to us. Sick as it is, it's part of the survival of the species programming.

Ayep, the honorable gentleman from Missouri must be one of those dunderheads who believes that the concept of marriage, of monogamy, is one that nature abides by solely when it comes to humans. What do you bet the odds the fellow's also a creationist?

159 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:19:57pm

re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist

Swimming in Israel?

??

It's a dry swim.

160 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:20:08pm

re: #153 moderatelyradicalliberal

Exactly. Human pregnancies survive all kinds of stress and horror. Our biological programming is the opposite of what this guy is claiming.

Giant sky fairy wouldn't let anything like that happen to nice Christian people?

/gah

161 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:20:30pm

re: #151 allegro

I don't care about his trust. I want to know how he became a millionaire when his entire career has been in government service.

Easy answer: His family's business takes in millions annually in government contracts.

162 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:20:46pm

re: #156 andres

One last bit from the article:

I certainly would be. Akin Team just gave McCaskill enough material to work until October. But, never look into a gifted horse's mouth.

Only if you assume that MO voters will be bothered by this. McCaskill is behind Akin because MO has become increasingly wingnut red. I'd like to think this kind of comment would kill someone's political career, but this is America and in America all politics is tribal.

163 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:23:59pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

Easy answer: His family's business takes in millions annually in government contracts.

So he gets a chunk of the business even though he doesn't work there? Or... hmm...

164 moderatelyradicalliberal  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:25:25pm

re: #163 allegro

So he gets a chunk of the business even though he doesn't work there? Or... hmm...

He has to get paid for getting them the contracts.

165 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:25:40pm

re: #106 Lidane

He bought into the bullshit being spread by "pro-life" doctors that pregnancy from rape is rare. That's how.

Overall, it probably is. First, you have to figure out how many women are being raped overall, and how many in a manner that actually can produce pregnancy. Then you figure how many are fertile, post menarche and pre menopause and not using a form of non-situational birth control. Then you look at the window of opportunity for fertilization in any given menstrual cycle, and then you add in that the body tends to terminate an astonishing number of pregnancies (not because it recognizes forcible rape, because it thinks it best) in their very early stages. Add to that the availability in many cases of emergency birth control, and most women who are raped will not find themselves pregnant.

However, in a large population, that's still a lot of women. For those who do find themselves pregnant under such circumstances, it is a horrible enough situation without these crazy, evil people telling them that somehow, biologically, it's not possible.

166 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:25:42pm

My personal campaign.

profits go Planned Parenthood and Obama.

But, for me, the real pay-off would be if I learned it caused ONE person to THINK.

167 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:25:45pm

Oh, glory.

Story just came over on the Facebook wall that the Obamas had involuntarily lost their law licenses.

This kind of tripped the BS-o-meter, because I think we would know about that by now.

Checked snopes and factcheck.

Yep, BS. They went to inactive status so they didn't have to pay the fees, since you don't need a law license to be president.

168 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:27:20pm

re: #138 Gus

I'm reliably informed that in Kansas, Republicans are born naked.

169 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:28:00pm

This is curious...

Presented by the Federal Election Commission
Individual Contributions Arranged By Type, Giver, Then Recipient
Contributions to Political Committees

FERGUSON, NIALL MR.
BRANFORD, CT 06405
BRIDGEWATER

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
VIA JOHN MCCAIN 2008 INC.
04/17/2007 2300.00 28990521324
04/18/2008 2300.00 28992244706
04/28/2008 -2300.00 28992244706

MCCAIN, JOHN S.
VIA MCCAIN-PALIN COMPLIANCE FUND INC.
04/28/2008 2300.00 28931639226

Total Contributions: 4600.00

TRY A: NEW QUERY
RETURN TO: FEC HOME PAGE

170 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:28:23pm

re: #168 jaunte

I'm reliably informed that in Kansas, Republicans are born naked.

Nope...they're cloaked in righteousness.

171 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:28:52pm

Branford though. He was working at Harvard at the time.

172 ReamWorks SKG  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:28:57pm

In related breaking news, 55% of TMZ readers would rather have shirtless Obama to shirtless Ryan.

See story here:

[Link: www.tmz.com...]

173 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:29:05pm

re: #163 allegro

So he gets a chunk of the business even though he doesn't work there? Or... hmm...

Possibly a trust from his father, or he is a silent partner in the business.

174 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:29:32pm
175 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:30:37pm

re: #173 Dark_Falcon

Possibly a trust from his father, or he is a silent partner in the business.

I guess we'll find out when he releases his taxes. Oh, wait...

176 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:31:48pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

Chris Loesch @ChrisLoesch

. @Jennyjinx So you don't know that a woman's body can self terminate a pregnancy due to physical or emotional stress? It is defense.

Um, wouldn't giving women's bodies this kind of power go against the anti-choice position that God values all human life at conception? By that logic, if women have the power to self abort under duress why would God have a problem with a medical abortion in the event that the natural way to abort fails or is faulty in some way?

There's a sort of doublethink a lot of these folks seem to have about not only what's real rape, but what's real abortion. Note that they'll cry themselves to sleep at night fretting over the thought that morning-after pills are available at pharmacies, but Ron Paul got NO criticism that I saw for announcing that the old-fashioned equivalent was just fine, he'd administer it himself, so what's the problem?

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:33:58pm

re: #140 ggt

So, they must have missed the part that reminds us that WE WERE MADE FOR SURVIVAL. We are wired to eat , fuck and learn. Our bodies WANT to be pregnant. Has he ever seen those famine victim pictures. Women, all skin and bones and OBVIOUSLY pregnant?????

And, no, your egg does not care if the sperm donor is the love of your life or some asshole holding a knife to your throat--it is going to take advantage of the opportunity to do the only thing its little cellular self was designed to do, and fertilize.

178 calochortus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:34:30pm

re: #176 SanFranciscoZionist

I posted this in a previous thread, but research has shown that the morning after pill works by retarding ovulation, not preventing implantation of a fertilized ovum.

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:36:03pm

re: #149 abolitionist

Maybe we should start a rumor that left testicles produce leftists.
/

There are Renaissance family planning manuals that recommend temporarily, er, tying off the left testicle for exactly this reason, if you really really want a boy.

I don't know how many men were able to actually have intercourse after following this advice, though.

180 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:36:56pm

re: #178 calochortus

I posted this in a previous thread, but research has shown that the morning after pill works by retarding ovulation, not preventing implantation of a fertilized ovum.

WHO FREAKIN' CARES! The nit-picking over a 12 hour hold grouping of cells is driving me to start drinking again.

If people are REALLY so concerned about the souls of children, tell them to look at their own kids or the kids in their neighborhood or church --mind their own business and stay out of the lives of strangers.

181 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:38:00pm

OK. Now wait for it...

182 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:39:15pm

You'd think it would be easy to say, "Akin pulled his remarks out of his ass and we couldn't disagree more." But no, they always have to qualify. It's as if D_F is their PR guy...we'll move away from 'legitimate rape' and just go with 'forcible rape'...not to be confused with 'recreational rape'...

183 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:39:54pm

re: #182 darthstar

Leave me out of this!

184 calochortus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:40:19pm

re: #180 ggt

WHO FREAKIN' CARES! The nit-picking over a 12 hour hold grouping of cells is driving me to start drinking again.

If people are REALLY so concerned about the souls of children, tell them to look at their own kids or the kids in their neighborhood or church --mind their own business and stay out of the lives of strangers.

That would be my person opinion, however, many anti abortion folks are strongly against the morning after pill because they view it as an abortifacient and it isn't.
I don't think facts will change a lot of opinions, but because this is fairly new research, I think it is important to get the information out.

185 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:40:37pm

Mind you she does it to Charles.

186 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:41:20pm

re: #183 Dark_Falcon

Leave me out of this!

That's right...you're just waiting for a reasonable explanation. I only include you because you're the closest thing to a Romney/Ryan spokesperson we have here. Surely there's a logical explanation...right?

187 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:41:49pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

And, no, your egg does not care if the sperm donor is the love of your life or some asshole holding a knife to your throat--it is going to take advantage of the opportunity to do the only thing its little cellular self was designed to do, and fertilize.

So much for the image of the valiant little egg throwing itself on its tiny sword to protect the honor of its mom against the invading hoard of little rapist sperm.

188 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:42:14pm

re: #174 jaunte

Sadly, Akin will still get some of the women's vote. There are some women who actually buy into that "pro-life" lie about how "real" rapes almost never result in pregnancy.

189 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:42:54pm

Attention w-word.

190 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:43:31pm

re: #186 darthstar

I said leave me out of it.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:44:47pm

re: #184 calochortus

That would be my person opinion, however, many anti abortion folks are strongly against the morning after pill because they view it as an abortifacient and it isn't.
I don't think facts will change a lot of opinions, but because this is fairly new research, I think it is important to get the information out.

It's definitely interesting. Thanks for the info.

192 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:44:55pm

Never hide your stupidity through your identity or uniform.

193 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:46:45pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

I said leave me out of it.

How's your health?

194 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:46:47pm

re: #187 allegro

So much for the image of the valiant little egg throwing itself on its tiny sword to protect the honor of its mom against the invading hoard of little rapist sperm.

Defense!

Yeah, the valiant little egg could care less. If it's released in time to meet up with the invading horde of little rapist sperm, it will get friendly with the fastest one.

195 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:46:48pm

re: #188 Lidane

And some more who would disagree with the 'rapes almost never result in pregnancy' proposition if pressed, but are willing to vote conservative because they don't want to think about it.

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:48:22pm

re: #193 Gus

How's your health?

Decent.

197 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:48:29pm

re: #190 Dark_Falcon

I said leave me out of it.

Oddly enough when you vocally defend a campaign, you may get a few uncomfortable questions about it.

198 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:48:49pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Decent.

Good.

199 CriticalDragon1177  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:49:07pm

re: #1 Learned Mother of Zion

What medical school gave Chris Loesch his M.D.?

Oh, that medical school on Teh Interwebz.

Maybe he got his medical degree in from the same prestigious diploma Mill where Kent Hovind got his science degree.

200 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:49:39pm

I can't believe we have to spend another 80+ days pretending these two assholes (Romney/Ryan) are actually legitimate (used correctly) competition for President Obama. I hope in 2016 the GOP fields someone who isn't batshit crazy or a lying crook...maybe they could get Debbie Wasserman-Shultz to switch parties.

201 allegro  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:49:44pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Defense!

Yeah, the valiant little egg could care less. If it's released in time to meet up with the invading horde of little rapist sperm, it will get friendly with the fastest one.

Thank you for spelling horde correctly and so kindly not pointing out that I did not use the appropriate version.

202 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:50:43pm

re: #193 Gus

How's your health?

Aw, shit...Dark...you been under the weather? Sorry to hear that (sure, I think you're a political idiot, but I'd never wish you ill personally).

203 Mattand  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:51:37pm

Man, I just got wind of this whole Akin thing literally 4 minutes ago.

You would think in a rational country, even the people who voted for this guy would be ashamed of both him and themselves for electing him.

Then again, this is America. As STLActivist's article demonstrates, America and rational thought have been on the outs for a while.

I really shudder to think what would happen to us if conservatives gain power in this country like they did from 2001 to 2006. Not having the Presidency or a clear advantage in Congress has made even the most rational conservative deranged beyond belief.

I have to admit I was wondering what the conservatives who post here would say about or, God forbid, try to defend Akin's statements.

204 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:53:22pm

Didn't someone just post a link that something like 40% of all pregnancies are unintended, somewhat because of ignorance?

As a nation we know too little about our own fertility, except for the infertile, who know every last detail there is to know, fruitlessly.

205 Mattand  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:54:19pm

I guess the only good thing to come out of this is that Romney is not opposing abortion in the case of incest or rape.

This week.

Is there HTML code for desperately looking for a bright side?

206 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:55:06pm

BREAKING: Film director Tony Scott jumps to his death from Vincent Thomas Bridge

British film director Tony Scott, known for such Hollywood blockbusters as "Top Gun," "Days of Thunder," "Beverly Hills Cop II" and "The Taking of Pelham 123," jumped to his death Sunday from the Vincent Thomas Bridge spanning San Pedro and Terminal Island, according to Los Angeles County coroner's officials.

Scott, 68, climbed a fence on the south side of the bridge's apex and leapt off "without hesitation" around 12:30 p.m., according to the Coroner's Department and port police.

207 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:55:53pm

re: #206 jaunte

BREAKING: Film director Tony Scott jumps to his death from Vincent Thomas Bridge

That sucks.

208 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:56:15pm

re: #182 darthstar

You'd think it would be easy to say, "Akin pulled his remarks out of his ass and we couldn't disagree more." But no, they always have to qualify. It's as if D_F is their PR guy...we'll move away from 'legitimate rape' and just go with 'forcible rape'...not to be confused with 'recreational rape'...

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Are we really at the point as a society where we're imagining different types of rape? As though there might be consensual rape, or perhaps medicinal rape.

209 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:56:25pm

re: #202 darthstar

Aw, shit...Dark...you been under the weather? Sorry to hear that (sure, I think you're a political idiot, but I'd never wish you ill personally).

No, I've been OK. Lots of stress, though, and I really needed the vacation day I took on Friday.

210 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:56:47pm

re: #207 Gus

Pretty rotten for his wife and sons.

211 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:56:57pm

re: #206 jaunte

BREAKING: Film director Tony Scott jumps to his death from Vincent Thomas Bridge

Wait, what?

Damn, that sucks. Depression is a hell of a thing.

212 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:57:45pm

"...getting the Federal and State Historic Tax Credits, TIF's (Tax Incremental Financing) from the City and Brownfield remediation credits in place..."
-- Breitbart Blogger on the Federal Tit

213 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:58:24pm

re: #207 Gus

That sucks.

Shit, I had to check to make sure the link wasn't a gag. Geez, my heart goes out to his family.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:58:38pm

re: #201 allegro

Thank you for spelling horde correctly and so kindly not pointing out that I did not use the appropriate version.

I swear, I didn't actually notice.

:)

215 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:59:22pm

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

No, I've been OK. Lots of stress, though, and I really needed the vacation day I took on Friday.

I went through a lot of stress my last four months with HP. Finally threw my resume online and found a better job (and 15%+ salary increase) in about four weeks. Since leaving HP two weeks ago, I've lost five pounds (I'm drinking less) and I feel much better.

The important thing to remember about stress is to identify the cause, decide if it's worth allowing to control your life as much as it does, and then consciously decide to not let it affect you. It really is that easy...in hindsight.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 8:59:46pm

re: #208 What Would Spalding Gray Do?

Are we really at the point as a society where we're imagining different types of rape? As though there might be consensual rape, or perhaps medicinal rape.

We always have. Some people are less reticent about saying it than others.

Akin has now joined Whoopi Goldberg. I doubt they have anything else in common.

217 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:00:04pm

re: #212 Gus

"...getting the Federal and State Historic Tax Credits, TIF's (Tax Incremental Financing) from the City and Brownfield remediation credits in place..."
-- Breitbart Blogger on the Federal Tit

It's not hypocrisy. It's cunningly mocking the inefficiency of the federal system by taking their money and not telling anybody where it came from.

/half

218 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:00:13pm

re: #208 What Would Spalding Gray Do?

Are we really at the point as a society where we're imagining different types of rape? As though there might be consensual rape, or perhaps medicinal rape.

Oh, the RWNJs have been trying to parse rape for decades so they can claim that the rape exception for abortion is a red herring from the left. After all, women who've gone through a "real" rape can't get pregnant or some shit. If she claims rape as her reason for getting an abortion, then she wasn't really raped.

219 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:01:05pm
220 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:02:26pm

re: #204 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Didn't someone just post a link that something like 40% of all pregnancies are unintended, somewhat because of ignorance?

As a nation we know too little about our own fertility, except for the infertile, who know every last detail there is to know, fruitlessly.

This? After 30 Years, Unintended Birth Rate Still Almost 40 Percent

221 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:02:50pm

re: #220 abolitionist

This? After 30 Years, Unintended Birth Rate Still Almost 40 Percent

Yeah, that.

We know too little about our own bodies.

222 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:03:22pm

Drunk and naked!

223 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:03:53pm

re: #206 jaunte

BREAKING: Film director Tony Scott jumps to his death from Vincent Thomas Bridge

Well, thats unexpected.

224 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:04:48pm

re: #222 Gus

Drunk and naked!

Is it time for church already?

225 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:05:18pm

re: #222 Gus

**applause**

226 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:05:59pm

From the link:

During the campaign, Williams publicly made a joke likening rape to bad weather, having quipped: "If it's inevitable, just relax and enjoy it".[3] Also, during the campaign, allegations were made that as an undergraduate at Texas A&M, Williams had visited the Chicken Ranch, a brothel in La Grange, and the Boy's Towns of Mexico.

GOP misogyny is nothing new, as you can see.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:06:54pm

OK, so I finally looked the story up...basically, some GOP types got drunk and naked and jumped into the Sea of Galilee?

I'm glad none of them drowned, but really, I'm sure people have been doing this a very long time.

228 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:06:59pm

re: #224 darthstar

Is it time for church already?

Mmmmm hmmmm.

229 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:07:03pm

[Link: storify.com...]

230 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:07:27pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, so I finally looked the story up...basically, some GOP types got drunk and naked and jumped into the Sea of Galilee?

I'm glad none of them drowned, but really, I'm sure people have been doing this a very long time.

231 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:07:39pm

re: #227 SanFranciscoZionist

OK, so I finally looked the story up...basically, some GOP types got drunk and naked and jumped into the Sea of Galilee?

I'm glad none of them drowned, but really, I'm sure people have been doing this a very long time.

Except Jesus...he barely got his feet wet.

232 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:07:43pm

"I will make you a fisher-out of men."

233 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:08:34pm

re: #232 jaunte

"I will make you a fisher-out of men."

#DrunkAndNakedMrReed

234 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:08:40pm

re: #232 jaunte

"I will make you a fisher-out of men."

Or a fisher of out men.

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:08:45pm

re: #231 darthstar

Except Jesus...he barely got his feet wet.

He and the apostles were probably using the open water as a mikvah. Hopefully not drunk at the time, mind you...

236 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:10:04pm
237 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:11:01pm

re: #236 darthstar

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I was actually thinking about what he said earlier. I just dropped it. I can understand that line of thinking.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:11:03pm

There's a concept in some cultures of 'partible paternity', which is anthrospeak for the idea that if a woman has sex with several men before conceiving, her child will be the offspring off them all. It has some advantages.

This is apropos of nothing much, just thinking of all the stress caused in people's lives by the issue of 'who is the father?'

239 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:11:27pm

I refuse to abandon critical thinking for political reasons.

240 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:13:01pm

re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist

There's a concept in some cultures of 'partible paternity', which is anthrospeak for the idea that if a woman has sex with several men before conceiving, her child will be the offspring off them all. It has some advantages.

This is apropos of nothing much, just thinking of all the stress caused in people's lives by the issue of 'who is the father?'

Except that the child is the offspring of one, scientifically speaking.

Only one little swimmer gets the medal, and there is no silver or bronze medal.

241 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:13:15pm

re: #229 jaunte

[Link: storify.com...]

Could we please send this douche a few links to actual, scientific information about how pregnancy occurs, and how a fertile body really, really doesn't care if those sperm are introduced willingly or by force?

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:14:26pm

re: #240 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Except that the child is the offspring of one, scientifically speaking.

Only one little swimmer gets the medal, and there is no silver or bronze medal.

Culturally speaking, however, there are benefits for the child and its mother if more men consider themselves to be the dad.

243 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:14:57pm
244 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:15:04pm

re: #239 Gus

I refuse to abandon critical thinking for political reasons.

I assumed right from the start that "legitimate rape" was Akin's dumbass way of saying "genuine rape". That doesn't change the stupid and evil nature of what he said. What the heck is davecatanese's point?

245 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:15:33pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

Culturally speaking, however, there are benefits for the child and its mother if more men consider themselves to be the dad.

Well, of course, however--in most Western societies, the Mom has to achieve this with a certain amount of duplicity, preferably if at least one of the dads doesn't know about any others.

246 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:16:08pm

This Catanese guy is in or a rough night, I think.

Anybody gonna pop some popcorn?

247 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:16:18pm

re: #229 jaunte

[Embedded content]

[Link: storify.com...]

Interesting progression. He goes from the attempt to justify the biologically-nonsensical initial assertion to what they really mean--bitches are lying about getting raped to get men in trouble! Are we really so PC that we're gonna deny that bitches lie?

248 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:16:42pm

re: #244 Interesting Times

I assumed right from the start that "legitimate rape" was Akin's dumbass way of saying "genuine rape". That doesn't change the stupid and evil nature of what he said. What the heck is davecatanese's point?

My thought was that he might have been thinking in terms of legitimate as in legally. The phrase is used. There is still due process if you know what I mean.

249 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:17:51pm

re: #244 Interesting Times

What the heck is davecatanese's point?

The same as any other RWNJ -- if a woman got pregnant, she wasn't really raped. You know, because a woman can't get pregnant through rape if she was truly unwilling. Or something.

250 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:17:54pm
251 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:18:01pm
252 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:18:47pm

re: #251 jaunte

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253 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:19:30pm

re: #244 Interesting Times

I assumed right from the start that "legitimate rape" was Akin's dumbass way of saying "genuine rape". That doesn't change the stupid and evil nature of what he said. What the heck is davecatanese's point?

That pregnant women who cry rape are liars, because the odds are the only way pregnancy could occur is if they were a willing participant in the act.

254 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:20:00pm

Hmm.

255 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:20:39pm

Goodnight, all.

256 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:21:09pm

Oh dear. This is not good.

257 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:21:10pm

re: #243 jaunte

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"The left is often 1st to shut down debate as "off limits" when it deems so. Aren't these moments supposed to open up a larger debate?"

There's nothing to debate.

What Akin said is ridiculous, scientifically. This is basic middle-school biology.

If we're going to resurrect Renaissance folklore about pregnancy, I like the one that a woman can have a baby of a completely different race than herself and her husband just through thinking the right thoughts, or seeing the right pictures. For example, if a white woman married to a white man sees a handsome black president talking on TV, and thinks about how much she admires him, and wants her child to be a great man like that, the baby could be black. Doesn't mean she was fooling around.

(The original example was seeing a black man riding in a military parade. As hilarious as the basic concept is, this was probably a smart thing to believe in southern Renaissance Italy, where the muddle of genes could probably lead to a real variety of apparent racial characteristics in children.)

258 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:21:42pm

re: #255 Dark_Falcon

Goodnight, all.

Later DF. Keep it real mon!

259 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:22:10pm

re: #245 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, of course, however--in most Western societies, the Mom has to achieve this with a certain amount of duplicity, preferably if at least one of the dads doesn't know about any others.

In parts of the Amazon, it is very open. If a tribal chief or other prominent man visits, it is assumed that the lady of the house will sleep with him (this was common in the Celtic world as well). If she got pregnant shortly after, the child would be considered the child of this eminent gentleman, as well as of the lady's husband.

260 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:25:24pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist

For example, if a white woman married to a white man sees a handsome black president talking on TV, and thinks about how much she admires him, and wants her child to be a great man like that, the baby could be black.

I think this folklore actually has been resurrected, it just isn't something they like to talk openly about on Fox & Friends.

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:27:06pm

re: #194 SanFranciscoZionist

Defense!

Yeah, the valiant little egg could care less. If it's released in time to meet up with the invading horde of little rapist sperm, it will get friendly with the fastest one.

No the valient little egg is really a slut. Letting itself be infiltrated and fertilized by whatever little sperm can break down it's defenses.

You know a little wine, soft music --white lies . . . .

262 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:27:07pm

As I said previously, denialism about rape isn't just a rwnj thing. It remains an especially tough issue for servicewomen. Lauren is one of the finest dramatizations I've found, currently featured on youtube.com WIGS -- Three eps so far. Each is about 11minutes.

263 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:27:58pm

1988:
Freind's Rape-pregnancy Theory Refuted

HARRISBURG — The odds that a woman who is raped will get pregnant are "one in millions and millions and millions," said state Rep. Stephen Freind, R-Delaware County, the Legislature's leading abortion foe.

The reason, Freind said, is that the traumatic experience of rape causes a woman to "secrete a certain secretion" that tends to kill sperm.

Two Philadelphia doctors specializing in human reproduction characterized Freind's contention as scientifically baseless.

264 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:28:11pm

Todd Akin is an idiot.
-- Gus 802

True: Politifact.

265 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:28:28pm

re: #259 SanFranciscoZionist

In parts of the Amazon, it is very open. If a tribal chief or other prominent man visits, it is assumed that the lady of the house will sleep with him (this was common in the Celtic world as well). If she got pregnant shortly after, the child would be considered the child of this eminent gentleman, as well as of the lady's husband.

Eskimos, too.

I wonder if anyone every asked the lady of the house how she felt about it?

266 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:28:29pm
267 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:29:12pm

re: #204 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Didn't someone just post a link that something like 40% of all pregnancies are unintended, somewhat because of ignorance?

As a nation we know too little about our own fertility, except for the infertile, who know every last detail there is to know, fruitlessly.

That would be me.

also Paged here.

268 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:29:38pm

Here, where the lonely hooting owl
Sends forth his midnight moans,
Fierce wolves shall o’er my carcase growl,
Or buzzards pick my bones.

No fellow-man shall learn my fate,
Or where my ashes lie;
Unless by beasts drawn round their bait,
Or by the ravens’ cry.

Yes! I’ve resolved the deed to do,
And this the place to do it:
This heart I’ll rush a dagger through,
Though I in hell should rue it!

Hell! What is hell to one like me
Who pleasures never knew;
By friends consigned to misery,
By hope deserted too?...

269 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:29:40pm
270 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:30:35pm

re: #263 jaunte

1988:
Freind's Rape-pregnancy Theory Refuted

"Secrete a certain secretion"?

271 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:31:18pm

re: #265 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Eskimos, too.

I wonder if anyone every asked the lady of the house how she felt about it?

Probably not.

272 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:31:25pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a secret secretion.

273 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:31:39pm

Rush is going to have a field day with all of this tomorrow.

274 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:32:32pm
"Freind, who has been trying for years to get strong anti-abortion laws through the Legislature, said yesterday that he's standing by his claim and will provide medical documentation to support it in about a week."

That was 1988. Still waiting.

275 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:33:08pm

Even Freep doesn't quite know how to handle this

276 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:34:00pm

This bit of disinformation has had quite a while to spread around.

277 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:34:02pm

re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist


"The left is often 1st to shut down debate as "off limits" when it deems so. Aren't these moments supposed to open up a larger debate?"

There's nothing to debate.

What Akin said is ridiculous, scientifically. This is basic middle-school biology.

If we're going to resurrect Renaissance folklore about pregnancy, I like the one that a woman can have a baby of a completely different race than herself and her husband just through thinking the right thoughts, or seeing the right pictures. For example, if a white woman married to a white man sees a handsome black president talking on TV, and thinks about how much she admires him, and wants her child to be a great man like that, the baby could be black. Doesn't mean she was fooling around.

(The original example was seeing a black man riding in a military parade. As hilarious as the basic concept is, this was probably a smart thing to believe in southern Renaissance Italy, where the muddle of genes could probably lead to a real variety of apparent racial characteristics in children.)

Like the de Medicis?

278 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:34:04pm

re: #271 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably not.

Oh, yeah, I think the Mandans did it, too.

It seems to have been common for women to have been viewed as a courtesy item, like a mint on one's pillow, or free shampoo in the bathroom.

Gee, can the way I phrased it show my true feelings on the matter?

279 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:34:59pm

re: #275 SpaceJesus

Even Freep doesn't quite know how to handle this

Yeah. A few of them have had stopped clock moments of lucidity, realizing that what Akin said is offensive and stupid and indefensible. A whole lot of them are pissed that he said anything out loud because he might lose the election. Others want him to withdraw now. And a few are defending him and whining about context.

It's bizarre to watch Freep deal with this. They're more confused than usual.

280 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:35:19pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

"Secrete a certain secretion"?

secretly!

281 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:35:41pm

re: #273 Mich-again

Rush is going to have a field day with all of this tomorrow.

For better or for worse, he is on vacation until Tuesday.

282 Pythagoras  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:35:42pm

re: #203 Mattand

Akin needs to be forced out in the next 24 hours.

I think he will be, but I'm far from sure on this.

283 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:35:52pm

re: #276 jaunte

This bit of disinformation has had quite a while to spread around.

pillow talk?

284 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:36:18pm
285 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:36:31pm

Eyeroll!

286 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:36:45pm

re: #277 ggt

Like the de Medicis?

Yes, although with them the assorted black offspring are simply because their mothers were black.

Alessandro de Medici, for example, called "Il Moro".

[Link: historyofeurope.tumblr.com...]

287 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:36:52pm

re: #278 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, yeah, I think the Mandans did it, too.

It seems to have been common for women to have been viewed as a courtesy item, like a mint on one's pillow, or free shampoo in the bathroom.

Gee, can the way I phrased it show my true feelings on the matter?

Because a man can't possibly go a night without sex --the ranking male takes precedence --to with the highest ranking female, of course--no slave girls for him.

288 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:37:18pm

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

"Secret a certain secretion"?

Somewhere out there, a bunch of middle school biology teachers are crying.

289 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:37:24pm

re: #283 ggt

Probably gets passed around at ALEC meetings.

290 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:37:28pm
291 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:37:29pm

re: #280 ggt

secretly!

What the hell secretion is this supposed to be?

292 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:38:07pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, although with them the assorted black offspring are simply because their mothers were black.

Alessandro de Medici, for example, called "Il Moro".

[Link: historyofeurope.tumblr.com...]

I know, I was joking.

I cringe every time I hear an older person say a black person --"looks Spanish or Italian" Then I laugh because of their ignorance.

293 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:38:15pm

re: #287 ggt

Because a man can't possibly go a night without sex --the ranking male takes precedence --to with the highest ranking female, of course--no slave girls for him.

Can't she just make him some scones and hot chocolate for bed time?

294 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:38:25pm

re: #289 jaunte

Probably gets passed around at ALEC meetings.

with Rent Boys.

295 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:38:37pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

What the hell secretion is this supposed to be?

If the Twilight books are to be believed, some sort of venom. Heh.

296 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:38:39pm

re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist

What the hell secretion is this supposed to be?

a secret one, shhh!

297 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:39:15pm

re: #285 Gus

Eyeroll!

Buffered eyeroll, easier on stomach.

298 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:39:20pm

re: #281 bratwurst

For better or for worse, he is on vacation until Tuesday.

leaving Sean Hannity to paddle around in circles all by himself.

299 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:39:47pm

re: #293 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Can't she just make him some scones and hot chocolate for bed time?

Better yet, she can make the scones and hot chocolate for herself and let him raid the fridge. ;)

300 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:40:29pm

re: #295 Lidane

If the Twilight books are to be believed, some sort of venom. Heh.

a secret, venomous secretion to assissinate soldierly sperm.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:40:50pm

re: #298 Mich-again

leaving Sean Hannity to paddle around in circles all by himself.

In what level of Hell would that be?

302 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:41:12pm
303 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:41:25pm

re: #297 jaunte

Buffered eyeroll, easier on stomach.

What do I know. I'm ignorant.

304 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:41:46pm

re: #279 Lidane

Yeah, usually they develop some kind of pack message that involves taking their ideology even further towards insanity/paleo-conservatism but this time there's no real unity. I think they're gravitating towards "If Biden had said this, nobody would care!", but that makes absolutely no sense and even they know how untrue that is given recent news.

305 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:42:12pm

Oy.

306 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:42:48pm

re: #286 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, although with them the assorted black offspring are simply because their mothers were black.

Alessandro de Medici, for example, called "Il Moro".

[Link: historyofeurope.tumblr.com...]

There's one portrait of a little girl around that same time period, the illegitimate daughter of some important Italian house. She's about eight or nine, I think. Adorable little black girl in lavish late Renaissance fashion. The thing that always attracts my eye is that even in this formal portrait, you can tell whoever is raising her has no idea how to treat her hair. Makes me want to figure out a way to shove some Carol's Daughter products through into the picture.

Alessandro had it easy, he's just clipping his short.

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:42:56pm

Really, there are probably try misogynists that want a higher mortality rate for pregnant women who they can morally have more than one wife. Each one younger and younger . . .

308 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:43:19pm

re: #298 Mich-again

leaving Sean Hannity to paddle around in circles all by himself.

Last week he explained that he was cutting his usual 2 week August golf trip down to just a few days off due to the upcoming election. My guess is that he is under a bit of pressure from his corporate masters (despite the image he tries to cultivate, he does NOT own his own network) due to declining revenue. Here in Chicago there is now a PSA during almost every single break!

309 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:44:55pm

re: #301 ggt

In what level of Hell would that be?

Well, the Styx flows through all levels. You have the river Phlegethon on the 7th level, other than that all you have is stinking mud.

310 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:45:21pm

re: #305 Gus

BEIJING — Angry youths on Sunday overturned cars and smashed shop windows in anti-Japanese protests across China stemming from a long-standing dispute over uninhabited islands claimed by both countries.

If they had to live there they wouldn't be so excited about them.

311 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:46:35pm

I am currently fascinated by these folks:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They are apparently holding off the modern world with arrowstorms and raw determination.

312 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:46:51pm
313 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:47:08pm

re: #311 SanFranciscoZionist

I am currently fascinated by these folks:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

They are apparently holding off the modern world with arrowstorms and raw determination.

Been reading Cracked?

314 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:47:13pm

Now tell me that I'm a "Peronist Progressive."

315 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:47:47pm

Boom!

316 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:48:45pm

re: #310 jaunte

If they had to live there they wouldn't be so excited about them.

I'm guessing the dispute might have more to do with territorial waters than the contested uninhabited islands.

317 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:49:11pm

re: #273 Mich-again

Rush is going to have a field day with all of this tomorrow.

Early prediction: He characterizes Akin as telling a "harsh truth" or so forth, that he only stated he "misspoke" because liberals wanted him to shut up about said "truth," and that statistics that he's found (and I'm sure there's one wingnut "think-tank" out there that's taken the time to run the numbers) show that the majority of allegations of rape by pregnant women turn out to be lies. That Akin was right, rape doesn't lead to pregnancy, and the "feminazis" are trying to shut him up to keep government money going to "abortion mills."

318 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:49:12pm

Oh look...blustery, wingnut bravado the first minute:

"How-could-yoooou" wailing and teeth gashing between tear-stained cheeks the next :)

319 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:49:31pm

re: #316 abolitionist

I'm guessing the dispute might have more to do with territorial waters than the contested uninhabited islands.

Have to wonder what could be mined from those islands . . .

320 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:49:57pm

re: #316 abolitionist

Possible offshore oil.

321 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:51:45pm

re: #320 jaunte

Possible offshore oil.

*sigh* so boring. It's either power or Liza Minnelli

322 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:51:51pm

It's fun to watch conservatism take one directly on the nose and then observe the Right sputter, spin, shit the bed, then scream.

323 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:52:02pm

re: #313 Kragar

Been reading Cracked?

YESSS!!!!

324 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:53:10pm

re: #308 bratwurst

Here in Chicago there is now a PSA during almost every single break!

White noise would qualify as a PSA on Fox.

325 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:53:31pm

America should be more like Uganda and Somalia.
-- Family Research Council

326 jaunte  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:53:33pm

Goodnight all. Hang in there.

327 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:55:51pm

re: #320 jaunte

Possible offshore oil.

Fishing rights are a big deal in the East Asia seas right now. Chinese fisherman keep getting caught in other nation's water, and there's been tense but small diplomatic spats each time a boat gets arrested or detained.

328 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:56:18pm
329 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:57:07pm

At first, I thought momentum was building to an actual withdrawal. Then I read this:

330 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:57:10pm

re: #317 Targetpractice

That Akin was right, rape doesn't lead to pregnancy, and the "feminazis" are trying to shut him up to keep government money going to "abortion mills."

does he actually use that word on the radio?

331 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 9:59:18pm

re: #330 Mich-again

does he actually use that word on the radio?

For 20+ years. Not only is he the titular head of the GOP, he is America's most prominent misogynist.

332 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:00:58pm

re: #330 Mich-again

does he actually use that word on the radio?

He popularized the term "feminazi," though he said a buddy thought it up. And he was using the term "abortion mills" as recently as the Fluke controversy.

333 The Ghost of a Flea  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:02:04pm


Rep. Todd Akin exposes the horrific immorality of moralism

This is an astonishing thing for a politician to say, in public, on the record. But it is not at all surprising that a fiercely anti-abortion politician would believe it.

“If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down,” said Rep. Todd Akin, R-Mo.

This is simply what happens when moralism replaces morality.

The two things are incompatible. In order to choose moralism — which is what allegiance to the anti-abortion movement requires Akin to choose — he had to abandon morality.

And, as his comments about “legitimate rape” demonstrate, Todd Akin has abandoned morality.

Here’s how this works: Moralism seeks to blame all suffering on moral failure. If you are suffering, then you must have done something to deserve such suffering.

Victims, therefore, always must share in the blame. And since their suffering is deserved, nothing can or should be done to address it.

This is not a new idea. “Think now,” said Eliphaz the fool, “who that was innocent ever perished? Or where were the upright cut off? As I have seen, those who plow iniquity and sow trouble reap the same.” And just as foolishly, the disciples asked, “Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

That’s how moralism works. It’s simple, tidy and, ultimately, monstrous.

And it requires ignorance. It creates, fosters and compels ignorance.

Akin’s moralism demands that he remain as ignorant as he can about how sex works and about what rape means. Akin cannot allow himself to learn anything about such things.

334 darthstar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:02:15pm
335 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:03:01pm

I am proudly a femnazi if that is what Akin calls me.

Of course, he probably doesn't realize that the Nazi's felt women belonged in the home and weren't fans of birth control.

336 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:05:26pm

re: #335 ggt

Of course, he probably doesn't realize that the Nazi's felt women belonged in the home and weren't fans of birth control.

To people like Akin, Nazis were liberals and commies. They were the National Socialists, after all. Herp derp.

337 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:06:31pm

Ah, the naked swim story.

somehow I missed the story, but saw the references upthread.

338 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:07:31pm

re: #323 SanFranciscoZionist

YESSS!!!!

Cracked introduced me to my own personal nightmare fuel.

Battle of Ramree Island

Repeated calls by the British for the Japanese to surrender were ignored: the Marines holding the perimeter shot any Japanese attempting to escape, while within the swampland hundreds of soldiers died over the course of several days for lack of food or drinking water. Some, including naturalist Bruce Stanley Wright (who participated in the battle), claimed that the crocodiles attacked and ate numerous soldiers. Wright's description occurs in his 1962 book Wildlife Sketches Near and Far:

"That night [of the 19 February 1945] was the most horrible that any member of the M.L. [motor launch] crews ever experienced. The scattered rifle shots in the pitch black swamp punctured by the screams of wounded men crushed in the jaws of huge reptiles, and the blurred worrying sound of spinning crocodiles made a cacophony of hell that has rarely been duplicated on earth. At dawn the vultures arrived to clean up what the crocodiles had left. . . . Of about one thousand Japanese soldiers that entered the swamps of Ramree, only about twenty were found alive."[2][4]

When the British eventually moved in on the swamp, they found that of the nine hundred troops that originally fled into the swamp, only around twenty seriously wounded and weakened Japanese soldiers were captured. In all, about 500 Japanese soldiers escaped from Ramree despite the intense blockade instituted to stop them. If Wright's claim is true, however, the Ramree crocodile attacks would be the worst in recorded history.

339 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:09:15pm

re: #332 Targetpractice

He popularized the term "feminazi," though he said a buddy thought it up. And he was using the term "abortion mills" as recently as the Fluke controversy.

Goodwin's laws are for other people.

340 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:09:45pm

God they're so dense.

341 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:10:27pm

re: #337 ggt

Ah, the naked swim story.

somehow I missed the story, but saw the references upthread.

I'm having trouble working up much concern. A bunch of Republicans went skinny-dipping.

I'm sure they had a good time.

342 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:11:26pm

re: #341 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm having trouble working up much concern. A bunch of Republicans went skinny-dipping.

I'm sure they had a good time.

I don't really give a shit either --but if Democrats had blasphemed the sea where Jesus walked on water, there would be a hell of an uproar from the Hannity crowd.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:11:58pm

re: #338 Kragar

Cracked introduced me to my own personal nightmare fuel.

Battle of Ramree Island

I like this one. Especially, for some reason, #4.

344 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:12:53pm

re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist

I like this one. Especially, for some reason, #4.

Which one?

345 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:14:42pm

re: #342 ggt

I don't really give a shit either --but if Democrats had blasphemed the sea where Jesus walked on water, there would be a hell of an uproar from the Hannity crowd.

Hadn't thought about that aspect. The Kinneret is pretty big, though, it's like thirteen miles across, and a lot of people have done a lot of stuff in it since Jesus was calming its waves.

346 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:14:55pm

re: #344 Kragar

Which one?

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

347 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:15:16pm

One more time, because it's such a great tune!

348 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:17:12pm
After dinner I followed some Members of Congress in a spontaneous and very brief dive into the sea and regrettably I jumped into the water without a swimsuit,"

If you strip naked with co-workers for any reason at a work party in corporate America you're job is in jeopardy. As for your reputation around the coffee machine, forever, forget about it. But hey these were just Congress critters reenacting a scene from the naked Godspell.

349 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:17:23pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

Zarrar Ibn al-Azwar's message is as clear today as it was 1,400 years ago: Do not mess with the Rashidun IRS.

350 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:17:55pm

re: #348 Mich-again

If you strip naked with co-workers for any reason at a work party in corporate America you're job is in jeopardy. As for your reputation around the coffee machine, forever, forget about it. But hey these were just Congress critters reenacting a scene from the naked Godspell.

I can't help it. I think it's cute. And there were no ladies present.

351 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:18:21pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

5 Real Life Soldiers Who Make Rambo Look Like a Pussy

Simo Hayha

Simo Hayha had a fairly boring life in Finland. He served his one mandatory year in the military, and then became a farmer. But when the Soviet Union invaded his homeland in 1939, he decided he wanted to help his country.

Since the majority of fighting took place in the forest, he figured the best way to stop the invasion was to grab his trusty rifle, a couple of cans of food and hide in a tree all day shooting Russians. In six feet of snow. And 20-40 degrees below zero.

Of course when the Russians heard that dozens of their men were going down and that it was all one dude with a rifle, they got fucking scared. He became known as "The White Death" because of his white camouflage outfit, and they actually mounted whole missions just to kill that one guy.

They started by sending out a task force to find Hayha and take him out. He killed them all.

Then they tried getting together a team of counter-snipers (which are basically snipers that kill snipers) and sent them in to eliminate Hayha. He killed all of them, too.

ROver the course of 100 days, Hayha killed 542 people with his rifle. He took out another 150 or so with his SMG, sending his credited kill-count up to 705.

Since everyone they had was either too dead or too scared to go anywhere near him, the Russians just carpet-bombed everywhere they thought he might be. Supposedly, they had the location right, and he actually got hit by a cloud of shrapnel that tore his coat up, but didn't actually hurt him, because he's the fucking White Death, damn it.

Finally on March 6th, 1940, some lucky bastard shot Hayha in the head with an exploding bullet. When some other soldiers found him and brought him back to base, he "had half his head missing." The White Death had finally been stopped...

..for about a week. In spite of having come down with a nasty case of shot-in-the-face syndrome, he was still very much alive, and regained consciousness on March 13, the very day the war ended.

352 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:21:09pm

re: #351 Kragar

5 Real Life Soldiers Who Make Rambo Look Like a Pussy

I can tell you after watching my so compete on the JROTC Rifle Team, it's just not that easy. It's damn hard to get those ten bullets inside the shape of a dime on the center of a target.

I have a lot of respect for anyone that can do it. It's very mental and takes a lot, I mean, a lot of practice and determination.

353 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:21:36pm

re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't help it. I think it's cute. And there were no ladies present.

You are not helping their case. The GOP base like guns but they can't admit they like swordfighting.

354 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:23:09pm

re: #350 SanFranciscoZionist

I can't help it. I think it's cute. And there were no ladies present.

I don't think it's cute. How come Congress Critters get a pass for acting like spoiled frat boys on our dime? NO one else would.

355 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:27:47pm

re: #354 ggt

I don't think it's cute. How come Congress Critters get a pass for acting like spoiled frat boys on our dime? NO one else would.

Eh...if they'd had a bunch of drinks and then gone into the pool at the King David Hotel in the their swimsuits it would have added up to the same thing.

356 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:28:02pm

re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

Chesty Puller only made it to #2? Bah!

357 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:29:24pm

"I Come in Peace. I Didn't Bring Artillery. But I'm Pleading With You, With Tears in My Eyes: If You Fuck With Me, I'll Kill You All."

358 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:30:45pm

re: #353 Mich-again

You are not helping their case. The GOP base like guns but they can't admit they like swordfighting.

Swordfighting? Then this ought to drive them to the brink:
E=Mc2 Einstein's Big Idea (Part 2 of 2)

359 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:32:35pm

re: #355 SanFranciscoZionist

Eh...if they'd had a bunch of drinks and then gone into the pool at the King David Hotel in the their swimsuits it would have added up to the same thing.

And still would have been inexcusable.

I know it's naive, but I do expect our Congress Critters to behave like adults, actually like role models.

361 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:34:40pm

nytol!

362 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:36:48pm
363 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:39:14pm

re: #360 Gus

Erickson: I’ll ‘pull out my wife’s shotgun’ if someone comes to my door for the American Community Survey.

Uh...Gus...that's from 2010.

364 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:45:18pm

re: #363 Targetpractice

Uh...Gus...that's from 2010.

That's why I said ICYMI.

365 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:46:21pm

The 6 Most Amazing Military Raids of All-Time

The Dambusters Raid

Germans love their dams, more so when those same dams provide the bulk of the electricity for their key industrial region, the Ruhr. During World War II, the Germans weren't so absent-minded as to leave these incredibly important installations undefended -- they surrounded their dams with massed anti-aircraft guns, balloons (which were far more deadly than they sound) and heavy-duty torpedo nets. The Germans had expertly planned and prepared for every form of conventional attack.

Therefore, attacking would require something unconventional.

Here's where physics arrives late to the party, naked and handcuffed to a police officer. The legendary British inventor Barnes Wallis developed a bomb that, if spun backward at 500 rpm, would skim across the surface of the water, hop over the torpedo nets and slam into the wall. It would then screw its way down below the surface of the water (because it was still spinning) and detonate at the base of the wall, blowing a huge hole in the dam.

After some testing, which involved the destruction of a dam in Wales that nobody was using, a crack team of 19 bomber crews assembled in specially modified aircraft to carry out the raid.

It was a pretty good idea to use only the most experienced and evidently insane bomber crews available to the British at the time. They flew the entire way just feet above the waves. How low were they? One plane was lost when it crashed into power cables, and another was forced to turn back before it even reached continental Europe when it was hit by a freaking wave that dislodged its bomb.

When they got to the first dam, the Mohne, they flew even lower, with one bomber actually approaching the target by flying along a firebreak in a nearby forest.

As they approached their targets, the raiders turned on several powerful searchlights located on the belly of each aircraft. Because this was the only way to accurately gauge their height, it also had the effect of lighting their aircraft up like Times Square.

They dropped their bombs, blowing up two of the three target dams. The raiders turned for home, still flying at treetop level to avoid anti-aircraft fire. Of the 19 bombers, only 11 made it back. The raid's leader, Guy Gibson, was awarded a Victoria Cross because while everyone else was bombing targets he was circling above, flipping the bird to the German AA gunners and attracting all their fire.

366 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:47:02pm

Cripes.

367 wheat-dogg  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:50:18pm

re: #352 ggt

One of my nieces is also in JROTC. She showed me her targets. The best one has five shots all in the bull's-eye in the chest, and five within a couple of inches of it. She got a marksmanship medal last term.

Rambette.

368 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:51:06pm

I didn't mean that as open season on Erick either. Sheesh. Some people.

369 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:51:36pm

Because stating the obvious is necessary these days.

Once again, I just want the sentiment to go viral and maybe make a difference in someones life.

370 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:56:13pm

They actually have a pretty good movie on Netflix about the Dambuster's raid.

371 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:58:11pm

re: #370 Kragar

They actually have a pretty good movie on Netflix about the Dambuster's raid.

Eastern front?

372 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 10:59:33pm

I read a book about the UK dam busters. Cylindrical bombs and Lancasters. They can actually bounce back onto your craft.

373 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:01:04pm

re: #372 Gus

I read a book about the UK dam busters. Cyclical bombs and Lancasters. They can actually bounce back onto your craft.

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374 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:03:47pm

cylindrical

375 jvic  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:08:31pm

re: #268 Gus

...
Yes! I’ve resolved the deed to do,
And this the place to do it:
This heart I’ll rush a dagger through,
Though I in hell should rue it!

Hell! What is hell to one like me
Who pleasures never knew;
By friends consigned to misery,
By hope deserted too?...

XV

'Tis five years since, `An end,' said I;
`I'll march no further, time to die.
All's lost; no worse has heaven to give.'
Worse has it given, and yet I live.

I shall not die to-day, no fear:
I shall live yet for many a year,
And see worse ills and worse again,
And die of age and not of pain.

When God would rear from earth aloof
The blue height of the hollow roof,
He sought him pillars sure and strong,
And ere he found them sought them long.

The stark steel splintered from the thrust,
The basalt mountain sprang to dust,
The blazing pier of diamond flawed
In shards of rainbow all abroad.

What found he, that the heavens stand fast?
What pillar proven firm at last
Bears up so light that world-seen span?
The heart of man, the heart of man.

376 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:08:33pm

Saying that the GOP is the "pro-rape party" is counterproductive. People need to knock that off.

377 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:09:59pm

nytol again.

378 Kragar  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:10:19pm

re: #376 Gus

Saying that the GOP is the "pro-rape party" is counterproductive. People need to knock that off.

The "God's will" Party would be more accurate and just as horrifying.

379 Mattand  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:14:46pm

re: #282 Pythagoras

Akin needs to be forced out in the next 24 hours.

I think he will be, but I'm far from sure on this.

In a just world, yeah. But to be honest, conservatives seem to love this kind of "politically incorrect" horsehit. If anything, it'll galvanize the base.

380 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:15:32pm

re: #378 Kragar

The "God's will" Party would be more accurate and just as horrifying.

Still. You start talk like that and the rest of America will think you're an asshole.

381 Mattand  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:19:26pm

re: #376 Gus

Saying that the GOP is the "pro-rape party" is counterproductive. People need to knock that off.

Republicans probably aren't pro-rape, but it definitely reinforces their inherent misogyny.

382 Lidane  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:33:50pm

re: #379 Mattand

But to be honest, conservatives seem to love this kind of "politically incorrect" horsehit. If anything, it'll galvanize the base.

Pretty much.

The initial reactions on the right seem to run the gamut from being offended and pissed off to being upset that Akin said that shit out loud because it could cost him the election to people whining about context and defending him.

I'm guessing that once El Rushbo and the rest of the party leadership get the talking points in order, the rest of the GOP will fall in line and nothing will happen to Akin except a circling of the wagons.

383 Gus  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:35:39pm

re: #381 Mattand

Republicans probably aren't pro-rape, but it definitely reinforces their inherent misogyny.

Probably so. But trust me. It's still a low blow.

384 JamesWI  Sun, Aug 19, 2012 11:55:28pm

re: #380 Gus

Still. You start talk like that and the rest of America will think you're an asshole.

If there are people who would think we're assholes because we call out the members of the GOP for saying that it's "God's Will" to force rape victims to carry their rapist's child, I am glad to be seen as an asshole in those people's eyes.

385 freetoken  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 12:25:39am
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386 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 12:59:20am

re: #380 Gus

Still. You start talk like that and the rest of America will think you're an asshole.

I have heard the phrase "its God's will" or "there is a reason for what happened" or "God needed her" many many times after I lost my wife to cancer. It infuriates me as does my son. I know they mean well. But they have know idea what they are talking about. If the religious Right wants to deny abortions to rape or incest victims because they say it is God's will that created that pregnancy, and they do, then again I say, they have no clue what they are talking about. So many on the Right are so concerned about Sharia Law creeping into USA while they want to make into law all their religious beliefs. Many in the RR have justified ignoring environmental issues because they believe the Rapture is nigh. They hold that all thing happen according to God's plan. Those that think that, in my opinion, should not be allowed to make any decisions for our Country.

I have come to the conclusion that shit happens all the time for no reason. It is not God's will to inflict pain and suffering upon us. WE do that to ourselves.

Life just is.

387 Kragar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:05:07am

Funny how "God's Will" can be an excuse when someone rapes a woman, but "God's Will" couldn't be why scientists came up with multiple safe and effective means of preventing her from bearing her rapist's child.

388 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:12:40am

re: #387 Kragar

Funny how "God's Will" can be an excuse when someone rapes a woman, but "God's Will" couldn't be why scientists came up with multiple safe and effective means of preventing her from bearing her rapist's child.

Not the rape, but the potential pregnancy. And some might say that "knowledge" is the result of eating the forbidden fruit and thus not God's Will.

389 Kragar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:19:06am

re: #388 boxhead

Not the rape, but the potential pregnancy. And some might say that "knowledge" is the result of eating the forbidden fruit and thus not God's Will.

And some might say that reasoning is a load of complete and utter horseshit.

390 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:29:04am

re: #389 Kragar

And some might say that reasoning is a load of complete and utter horseshit.

I would like to say that I am part of that "some".

391 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:49:20am

*crickets*

392 freetoken  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 1:59:56am

re: #391 boxhead

MP3 Audio
393 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:04:36am

re: #392 freetoken

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394 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:10:51am

more from Fantasia

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395 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:14:26am

These people embrace a simplistic, absolutist point of view, such as "bortion is always wrong" without considering what it could mean under certain circumstances.

Then the response is to double down and assert their uncompromising ideological purity.

396 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:14:42am

more go Mickey!

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397 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:19:35am

re: #395 Expand Your Ground

It feels tough and strong and bold to take an uncompromising stand. It's very self-rewarding.

398 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:24:13am

re: #395 Expand Your Ground

These people embrace a simplistic, absolutist point of view, such as "bortion is always wrong" without considering what it could mean under certain circumstances.

Then the response is to double down and assert their uncompromising ideological purity.

Many in the GOP will say that those that do follow their script do not love USA. Where they are wrong, speaking for myself, is that I very much love USA. The difference is that many in the GOP love USA like a five year old child loves their mommy. Anything anyone says that critical of mommy is wrong and that person is bad. I, and many others, love USA as an adult. We accept USA problems and strive to make USA better. I definitely do not think USA is perfect. But I believe we can be better.

399 Kragar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:36:32am

Something a buddy and I put together...

Youtube Video
400 boxhead  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:41:48am

re: #399 Kragar

nice

401 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 2:55:26am

[Link: www.ktla.com...]

Cops in Venice, CA beat the shit out of a kid for skateboarding and 'resisting arrest'. In front of his house.

402 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:14:08am

re: #398 boxhead

Many in the GOP will say that those that do follow their script do not love USA. Where they are wrong, speaking for myself, is that I very much love USA. The difference is that many in the GOP love USA like a five year old child loves their mommy. Anything anyone says that critical of mommy is wrong and that person is bad. I, and many others, love USA as an adult. We accept USA problems and strive to make USA better. I definitely do not think USA is perfect. But I believe we can be better.

The Dominionists among them insist that our laws must reflect (their pinheaded interpretation of) God's Divine laws. As soon as we start allowing contraception, abortion, gay marriage, legalized drugs, gambling or prostitution, we are "shaking our fist at God" and inviting His Divine Retribution.

i.e. Only their view of Scripture (and no other) = True patriotism.

There is no room for compromise

403 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:20:38am

Morning Honcos.

404 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:22:36am

re: #401 Obdicut

[Link: www.ktla.com...]

Cops in Venice, CA beat the shit out of a kid for skateboarding and 'resisting arrest'. In front of his house.

At least the cops involved weren't put on any type of leave, so the beatings will continue. Punks.

405 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:23:57am

re: #404 Cannadian Club Akbar

The guy who fractured the kids cheekbone and nose will probably get disciplined, the rest will get away with it.

406 Patricia Kayden  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:25:29am

Unfortunately, Akin will probably still win in Missouri simply because the Republican voters there hate President Obama and McCaskill is a Democrat. Scary that someone with such low regard for women could play a role in formulating legislation that will greatly impact women. And also scary that there are women who will vote for someone with such repugnant views about their gender.

407 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:28:06am

Fabled Ybor rooster puts the fun in funeral
TAMPA — Umbrellas, feather boas, tinsel and a tiny coffin draped in red cloth.

As the New Orleans-style funeral procession filed past, some standing outside Ybor City's Orpheum nightclub scratched their heads. Others reached for beads

408 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:30:26am

re: #407 Cannadian Club Akbar

Fabled Ybor rooster puts the fun in funeral
TAMPA — Umbrellas, feather boas, tinsel and a tiny coffin draped in red cloth.

As the New Orleans-style funeral procession filed past, some standing outside Ybor City's Orpheum nightclub scratched their heads. Others reached for beads

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

409 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:31:31am

They celebrated the Dali Llama's 77th birthday the other day.

It reminded me of the idiocy of "Free Tibet" demonstrations on campus when I was a kid. That was my first real encounter with how shallowly most people engage with topics, even topics they're very, very passionate about.

Tibet was a semi-theocracy, semi-monarchy prior to the 1950s. Serfdom and slavery were common, with children being given to monastaries as babies, where they would work their entire lives for the benefit of the monks. Women had few property rights and little chance at an education. Aristocrats lived in sprawling estates with serfs working the land, courts always handed down verdicts on the side of the monks and the lords against the peasantry. It was a feudal state. They fought numerous border wars over disputed territory.

And yet so many of the "Free Tibet" protesters know nothing, nothing at all, about Tibetan society and culture before the Chinese invasion. Nothing about this excuses the invasion by the Chinese, of course, but Tibet was never free, and the Dali Llama himself represents theocratic, oppressive rule. Furthermore, China is not free, so I don't understand why "Free Tibet" is the slogan to chant instead of "Free China".

410 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:37:19am

Is Texas number one in concealed/carry permits? Not by a long shot, to my surprise.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

411 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:38:31am

re: #409 Obdicut

Didn't the Dali Llama used to bet his wife at a previous time in his life? Or was that just BS rumors?

412 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:41:49am

re: #411 Cannadian Club Akbar

Shouldn't you be cooking something for someone somewhere!?!?!

413 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:41:59am

re: #411 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't the Dali Llama used to bet his wife at a previous time in his life? Or was that just BS rumors?

That's BS rumors spread by the Chinese to discredit him, I'm fairly sure. The Chinese put out a lot of shit.

414 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:43:13am

re: #413 Obdicut

The Chinese put out a lot of shit.

A walk through just about any mall is proof of that!
/

415 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:43:44am

re: #410 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is Texas number one in concealed/carry permits? Not by a long shot, to my surprise.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

No need for a C/C at your hizzy...
UPDATE: Woman forced to shoot intruder to protect herself and children
[Link: www2.alabamas13.com...]

416 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:46:00am

re: #414 sattv4u2

The Chinese put out a lot of shit.

A walk through just about any mall is proof of that!
/

There is a mall here with one store in it. They keeps the entire mall open because of one store. Walking into the mall is like the start of a Wes Craven movie.

417 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:47:23am

And I misspelled the Dalai Llama's name, or title, or whatever. Whoops. Coffee time.

418 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:49:32am

re: #416 Cannadian Club Akbar

There is a mall here with one store in it. They keeps the entire mall open because of one store. Walking into the mall is like the start of a Wes Craven movie.

heh,, there's one like that (but not as bad) in Murrells Inlet South Carolina

A 4 theater "multi-plex" movie house, a jewelry store, a book store and one non-franchise type place in the 'food court"

All four "anchor" stores, empty

The rest of the food court, barren

419 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:51:27am

re: #417 Obdicut

And I misspelled the Dalai Llama's name, or title, or whatever. Whoops. Coffee time.

Well I copied you so...thanks for dragging down the team!!!
///

420 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:52:42am

re: #418 sattv4u2

I actually considered opening a place at a food court once. Was actually a great idea with the concept I had in mind.

421 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:53:38am

re: #420 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually considered opening a place at a food court once. Was actually a great idea with the concept I had in mind.

Would have had to have been a "great idea" with what mall prices per square footage are (or were at the time)

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:55:04am

re: #421 sattv4u2

Would have had to have been a "great idea" with what mall prices per square footage are (or were at the time)

The mall I had back in Florida now is occupied by gangs and old people. I haven't been to a mall since about 1992.

423 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 3:58:43am

re: #422 Cannadian Club Akbar

The mall I had

Bad investment, huh!?!?

//

424 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:00:05am

re: #415 Cannadian Club Akbar

No need for a C/C at your hizzy...
UPDATE: Woman forced to shoot intruder to protect herself and children
[Link: www2.alabamas13.com...]

C/C. It's not just for shooting humans anymore!!!
Pit Bull Shot, Killed by Resident Walking His Dog
A Bradenton man shot and killed a pit bull in east Bradenton Sunday, after the dog jumped over a wall and attacked his Jack Russell terrier, named Scooter, according to the Manatee County Sheriff's Office.

Richard Davis, 52, has a license to carry a concealed weapon, and it appears the shooting was justified, according to the Sheriff's Office.
[Link: bradenton.patch.com...]

425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:01:39am

re: #423 sattv4u2

The mall I had

Bad investment, huh!?!?

//

I actually did run into the mall one day looking for sneakers. All were over $130. I went to Sports Authority and got a pair of Nike walking shoes for $50.

426 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:05:59am

re: #425 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually did run into the mall one day looking for sneakers. All were over $130. I went to Sports Authority and got a pair of Nike walking shoes for $50.

two words

Marshalls

TJ Maxx

(okay ,, so TJ Maxx is more than one word, but you get the message)

You have to be in the right one at the right time but their shoes are usually "name brands" and a lot cheaper than other dept. or specialty stores

427 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:07:21am

re: #426 sattv4u2

I'm not sure if they have either place here but we had both in Florida. Ross was also another place.

428 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:35:20am

re: #417 Obdicut

And I misspelled the Dalai Llama's name, or title, or whatever. Whoops. Coffee time.

Have another cup. It's "Dalai Lama".

429 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:42:14am

re: #428 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Sheesh.

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430 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:55:57am

Teh DERP gets up early in the morning:

In case you're wondering what's the horrible racist word used by Obama, it's


get ready for it

Cool!

431 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 4:59:32am

re: #430 Learned Mother of Zion

Is that from the former Lizard named JWF?

432 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:01:16am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is that from the former Lizard named JWF?

Yeah. Whotta dumbass.

433 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:11:42am

re: #430 Learned Mother of Zion

Wingnuts hate context.

434 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:22:44am

Director Tony Scott committed suicide unfortunately. I loved the movie Top Gun, at the time in my life I wanted to be a pilot.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
The remarks below the article are very much in poor taste.

435 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:25:12am

re: #434 Tommy's cone of shame

Director Tony Scott committed suicide unfortunately. I loved the movie Top Gun, at the time in my life I wanted to be a pilot.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
The remarks below the article are very much in poor taste.

I saw the comment about him driving a Prius. People suck sometimes.

436 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:28:42am

re: #435 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have to admit, I did laugh at a couple of Top Gun references :(
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

437 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:29:06am

re: #434 Tommy's cone of shame

Director Tony Scott committed suicide unfortunately. I loved the movie Top Gun, at the time in my life I wanted to be a pilot.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
The remarks below the article are very much in poor taste.

Comments on major news sites always suck, because there is no moderation, except for maybe a "naughty words" filter.

438 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:32:07am

re: #436 Tommy's cone of shame

His wifey had some of the best tits money could buy. $3000 well spent. (prolly more since it's Hollywood)

439 Shropshire_Slasher  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:36:01am

Here is something I could get behind.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

440 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:37:32am

re: #439 Tommy's cone of shame

Here is something I could get behind.
[Link: www.nypost.com...]

The church says "It's all good".
[Link: www.sfgate.com...]

441 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:42:42am

re: #438 Cannadian Club Akbar

His wifey had some of the best tits money could buy. $3000 well spent. (prolly more since it's Hollywood)

Once dated a lady with expensive fakes

Told her she should have spent the money on a personality instead

That date didn't last as long as I had planned

442 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:43:39am

re: #441 sattv4u2

Once dated a lady with expensive fakes

Told her she should have spent the money on a personality instead

That date didn't last as long as I had planned

I'm sure her drink looked nice on you.
/half

443 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:44:03am

Morning Lizardim from the cool and clear wild north country. Fall is definitely in season up here in the northlands, and I am loving every bit of it. Just thought I'd do a quick drive-by posting to see what was new among the Lizardfolk.

444 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:44:57am

re: #443 thedopefishlives

what was new among the Lizardfolk

CCA is thinking about getting real expensive fake boobs!

445 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:45:04am

My Anniversary dinner last night was really great, except that the wine I picked out was too sweet. So we will keep it for Zedushka to make kiddush on.

I bought him a new laptop, and bought me a bunch of charms for my charm bracelet. I had to leave the catalog in his hat!

446 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:46:47am

re: #445 Learned Mother of Zion

My Anniversary dinner last night was really great, except that the wine I picked out was too sweet. So we will keep it for Zedushka to make kiddush on.

I bought him a new laptop, and bought me a bunch of charms for my charm bracelet. I had to leave the catalog in his hat!

Congrats

How many years?

447 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:47:40am

re: #446 sattv4u2

Congrats

How many years?

41 years. :)

448 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:48:34am

re: #445 Learned Mother of Zion

My Anniversary dinner last night was really great, except that the wine I picked out was too sweet. So we will keep it for Zedushka to make kiddush on.

I bought him a new laptop, and bought me a bunch of charms for my charm bracelet. I had to leave the catalog in his hat!

Sometimes us men can be dense like that. It's best not to be subtle if there's something you really want.

449 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:49:15am

re: #447 Learned Mother of Zion

41 years. :)

:)

wonderful

23 here and in all that time we've only had one fight

Just ONE

(started 22 years ago and it's still going on to this day!!!)
//

450 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:49:19am
451 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:50:20am

re: #445 Learned Mother of Zion

re: #448 thedopefishlives

Sometimes us men can be dense like that. It's best not to be subtle if there's something you really want.

Exactly

Mrs Satty now just buys "it" and then hands me the receipt

452 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:51:08am

I just found out I share a birthday with Crazy Uncle Liberty. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Anyway... Top of the Morning, Honcos!

453 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 5:53:35am

re: #451 sattv4u2

re: #448 thedopefishlives

Exactly

Mrs Satty now just buys "it" and then hands me the receipt

The laptop was not a surprise, he told me the processor, how much memory and HD size. Even though he said he did not need the MS Office suite he was kind of disappointed that I did not but it anyway (for an extra $200)

And he is an XP user getting his first Windows 7 machine. NOT a happy camper.

454 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:01:23am

re: #437 Learned Mother of Zion

Comments on major news sites always suck, because there is no moderation, except for maybe a "naughty words" filter.

NPR moderates, sometimes even quite heavy handedly. So while it can get bad it does get cleaned up. I've not seen anyone get the boot but you can know all you need to when 90% of their comments say "This comment has been removed because it did not meet the NPR.org Community Discussion Rules."

It can be done if the news organization want to.

455 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:11:12am

If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair
If you're going to San Francisco
You're gonna meet some gentle people there
-RIP Scott McKenzie

456 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:13:40am

From the "Oh shit, my dystopian fiction is coming true" author of The Handmaid's Tale:

457 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:13:41am
458 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:22:15am

re: #455 darthstar

If you're going to San Francisco
Be sure to get some clean sample hair
If you're going to San Francisco
You're NOT gonna meet Melky Cabrera there
-RIP Giants Chances

459 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:25:43am

re: #458 sattv4u2

Melky fucked up...and he got caught. The three Ps - Posey, Pence, and Pablo - will do fine...and Belt's found his bat and Scutaro's a good utility hitter. We'll survive without Melky, though he is a great fuckin' player.

460 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:29:38am

Bang-on true in any case, but she has an additional, highly personal reason for saying it:

Youtube Video
461 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:33:08am

re: #458 sattv4u2

re: #459 darthstar

Fools. The Rays have the best pitching in the game since the All Star break and their bats are waking up (minus the perfect game thrown against them the other day) Fuck, they spotted the Angels 8 runs Saturday night and still won 12-10. Heh.

462 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:34:47am

re: #401 Obdicut

[Link: www.ktla.com...]

Cops in Venice, CA beat the shit out of a kid for skateboarding and 'resisting arrest'. In front of his house.

From your link, The arresting officer reportedly told Weekley's family that he was skateboarding on the wrong side of the street and he resisted arrest.

Anyone know what the relevent law is? Should he have been on the sidewalk? On the pavement facing oncoming traffic (as pedestrians are often advised to do)? Or flowing with vehicular traffic --where he can't see them without a rearview mirror. Must one avoid bike lanes? And whatever the rules, wouldn't a skateboarder have to reverse direction fairly often, assuming he/she want's to stay in one area, such as for saftey? Can't you just see a teenager spending a few seconds skateboarding, then a minute or so walking back, alternately, in order to avoid jaywalking? Is that what it would take to be compliant?

463 labman57  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:35:28am

If these Breitbart-fawning buffoons want to fall on their swords defending the troglodyte Akin, so be it.

That flushing sound you hear is their credibility as sound-minded, rationally-thinking journalists and political commentators going down the drain.

464 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:36:28am

re: #459 darthstar

Melky fucked up...and he got caught. The three Ps - Posey, Pence, and Pablo - will do fine...and Belt's found his bat and Scutaro's a good utility hitter. We'll survive without Melky, though he is a great fuckin' player.

Yup. he gave Boston a good year last season

465 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:36:36am

re: #462 abolitionist

From your link, The arresting officer reportedly told Weekley's family that he was skateboarding on the wrong side of the street and he resisted arrest.

Did he assault the officer?

466 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:36:56am

Wingnuts are all denouncing Akin for making them look bad.

467 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:37:55am

re: #461 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #459 darthstar

Fools. The Rays have the best pitching in the game since the All Star break and their bats are waking up (minus the perfect game thrown against them the other day) Fuck, they spotted the Angels 8 runs Saturday night and still won 12-10. Heh.

Posey's hitting .429 since the break. The Rays are slaves to the DH.

468 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:38:43am

re: #467 darthstar

Posey's hitting .429 since the break. The Rays are slaves to the DH.*

*Not a racist statement.

469 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:38:56am
470 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:40:57am

re: #467 darthstar

Posey's hitting .429 since the break. The Rays are slaves to the DH.

By the time the playoffs come Longo should be able to play 3rd. People don't quite understand that one batter can improve the lineup because pitchers now have to throw strikes to guys when they used to try to get them to chase while nibbling at the corners of the plate. Walk Pena or Upton, deal with Londo, Joyce and Zobrist and soon Luke Scott.

471 AK-47%  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:43:24am

re: #466 Learned Mother of Zion

Wingnuts are all denouncing Akin for making them look bad.

There is an old joke from Soviet times about the fellow who got 10 years for calling Brezhnev an idiot: one year for demeaning Soviet authority and nine years for revealing a state secret!

472 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:45:43am

and on that note, the long quiet drive home beckons

473 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:48:34am

re: #453 Learned Mother of Zion

The laptop was not a surprise, he told me the processor, how much memory and HD size. Even though he said he did not need the MS Office suite he was kind of disappointed that I did not but it anyway (for an extra $200)

And he is an XP user getting his first Windows 7 machine. NOT a happy camper.

He may soon appreciate the public vs private classification for wireless sites (or wired). Moving XP machines among networks can be a hassle.

474 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:50:25am

re: #465 Expand Your Ground

Did he assault the officer?

I'm guessing no. Weekly was taken into custody on suspicion of resisting arrest.

475 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 6:54:18am
476 Mattand  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:09:09am

re: #466 Learned Mother of Zion

Wingnuts are all denouncing Akin for making them look bad.

That's like Darth Vader denouncing Emperor Palpatine for making him look too evil.

477 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:10:33am
478 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:11:37am

re: #466 Learned Mother of Zion

Wingnuts are all denouncing Akin for making them look bad.

He violated the first rule of Wingnut Club -- you don't talk about Wingnut Club.

Akin had the gall to say the shit they actually believe out loud. This is apparently a problem.

479 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:18:41am

re: #478 Lidane

He violated the first rule of Wingnut Club -- you don't talk about Wingnut Club.

Akin had the gall to say the shit they actually believe out loud. This is apparently a problem.

I am seriously delighted about it. I feel vindicated since I've been jumping up and down saying "Look! Look!" since about the late 80s trying to convince a number of my fellow rational Texans about the true agenda of the forced birthers. I kept hearing "it will never happen" and "they would never do that!" WRT overturning Roe, trying to prohibit birth control, turn the US into a theocracy and much more. It's kinda nice to have it clearly demonstrated that I'm not the nut in this basket.

480 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:20:00am

Democrats Link Akin To Romney-Ryan: ‘The Real Issue’ Is The GOP

Democrats are seizing on the firestorm started by Rep. Todd Akin, tying the Congressman’s controversial remarks about rape to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan by calling his outburst indicative of the Republican Party and its nominees’ stance on women’s health issues.

Akin, the Republican Senate nominee in Missouri, said that victims of “legitimate rape” rarely become pregnant because “the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

In an email, DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz linked Akin’s comments to a larger trend of “backward statements from Republicans on issues affecting women’s health” and pointed to the anti-abortion bills that Akin and Paul Ryan have worked on together...

481 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:20:41am

I'd suggest that the Republican Party dump the religious right but that ain't gonna happen.

482 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:22:03am
483 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:22:57am

re: #482 darthstar

Romney also softened his comment by adding:

“I have an entirely different view,” Romney said. “What he said is entirely without merit and he should correct it.”

484 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:24:49am

WHAT A SURPRISE

485 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:27:40am

What the heck is a "Rusher?"

486 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:28:03am

[Link: twitter.com...]

487 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:28:46am

re: #485 Gus

What the heck is a "Rusher?"

A "Dittohead"?

488 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:29:56am

re: #487 Learned Mother of Zion

A "Dittohead"?

Found it. Big Time Rush (band) They're playing at the White House. Thought dittohead first but I didn't see anything related to that awful Limbaugh.

489 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:31:43am
that awful Limbaugh

You're so polite! I would have said "That fucking shithead"

490 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:37:15am

‘God’s Little Shield’: A Short History Of The False No-Pregnancy-From-Rape Theory

Rep. Todd Akin is far from the only conservative to suggest women rarely get pregnant from rape. He’s not even the first lawmaker to make the assertion (which flies in the face of medical evidence).

A search of news archives by TPM shows a short history of Republican politicians espousing the idea of a biological defense against pregnancy in cases of rape, though there’s little consistency in their explanations of how such a mechanism works.

In 1988, Stephen Freind, a state representative in Delaware, defended his no-exceptions anti-abortion stance — as Akin was doing Sunday — by claiming that it was virtually impossible for a woman who is raped to become pregnant.

“The odds are one in millions and millions and millions,” Freind said in a debate in March of that year. “And there is a physical reason for that.”...

491 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:37:23am

Eye roll!

492 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:48:54am

I just realized that we' re seeing - and contributing to - the Overton Window here. The discussion is not about preserving women's right to choose by having abortion, morning after pill, etc. legal, available, and affordable regardless of the circumstances of the conception. Now we're focusing on "allowing" women who have been raped to legally be able to abort should they become pregnant. It's like it's OK now for this to be open for legitimate discussion.

It's now Romney is showing moderate colors by saying that he disagrees with Akin and would allow abortion for rape victims. No. Not acceptable. No woman should have to prove or explain anything. It's her decision. Period.

493 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:52:25am

re: #270 SanFranciscoZionist

"Secrete a certain secretion"?

While being stalked by huge stalking things.

494 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:54:29am

Good morning lizards!

495 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:59:06am
496 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:59:27am

re: #492 allegro

I just realized that we' re seeing - and contributing to - the Overton Window here. The discussion is not about preserving women's right to choose by having abortion, morning after pill, etc. legal, available, and affordable regardless of the circumstances of the conception. Now we're focusing on "allowing" women who have been raped to legally be able to abort should they become pregnant. It's like it's OK now for this to be open for legitimate discussion.

It's now Romney is showing moderate colors by saying that he disagrees with Akin and would allow abortion for rape victims. No. Not acceptable. No woman should have to prove or explain anything. It's her decision. Period.

In order to not humiliate and put further stress on rape victims, abortion should be available to everyone. No one should have to prove she was "legitimately" raped.

497 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 7:59:31am

Romney. What a freaking mess. The king of flip-flops.

498 GunstarGreen  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:00:53am

If anyone ever doubted that the various talk radio personalities and blogs like Breitland and PJs were anything less than the propaganda arm of the Republican party, this incident provides all the proof needed. It is the year 2012 and these people are defending a man who claims that a woman's body has a magical anti-rape-pregnancy system.

Even Boortz, who has traditionally taken issue with the Republicans' insistence on the abortion issue, couldn't bring himself to denounce the man for the completely bonkers content of his statements. All he could say was that it was stupid to be bringing up abortion on the basis of who will or will not vote for you based on it.

499 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:01:30am
500 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:04:14am

re: #496 Learned Mother of Zion

In order to not humiliate and put further stress on rape victims, abortion should be available to everyone. No one should have to prove she was "legitimately" raped.

Conception by rape shouldn't be an issue at all WRT the legal abortion discussion. Every woman who is pregnant when she doesn't want to be is seriously stressed. (No, I am not discounting at all the trauma of rape.) It doesn't matter how she got that way. It's her decision whether she wishes to continue the pregnancy or terminate it and no one else's business why or how she comes to that decision.

501 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:05:02am

Romney: Akin’s ‘Inexcusable’ Comment

In a phone interview this morning, Mitt Romney told National Review Online that Representative Todd Akin’s recent comment on rape is “inexcusable.”

“Congressman’s Akin comments on rape are insulting, inexcusable, and, frankly, wrong,” Romney said. “Like millions of other Americans, we found them to be offensive.”

502 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:07:06am

re: #492 allegro

I just realized that we' re seeing - and contributing to - the Overton Window here. The discussion is not about preserving women's right to choose by having abortion, morning after pill, etc. legal, available, and affordable regardless of the circumstances of the conception.

I was thinking the same thing, and also wondering if some GOPers would blatantly try to use Akin for this purpose ("how dare you say we're anti-woman when all we're doing is [insert backhanded way of reducing abortion access here]")

I think some Democrats are wise to this as well, and using Akin to make a larger point about the GOP's abysmal record on women's health:

503 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:07:57am

re: #501 NJDhockeyfan

Romney: Akin’s ‘Inexcusable’ Comment

About 12 hours ago he just "disagreed" with it. Typical Romney. "Tell me what to say!"

504 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:08:14am
505 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:08:38am

re: #503 allegro

About 12 hours ago he just "disagreed" with it. Typical Romney. "Tell me what to say!"

506 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:10:51am

Augusta National (home of the Masters) finally admits first two women members. Way to finally hit the 20th Century.

507 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:16:00am

Well this was certainly expected...

Israel a ‘cancerous tumor’ and Middle East’s biggest problem, Iranian supreme leader says

Muslim world, Iranian Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei said on Sunday, immediately after the international community condemned President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad for making similar comments.

“The great powers have dominated the destiny of the Islamic countries for years and… installed the Zionist cancerous tumour in the heart of the Islamic world,” semi-official Iranian IRNA news agency quoted Khamenei saying in an Eid al-Fitr speech marking the end of the Islamic month of Ramadan.

“Many of the problems facing the Muslim world are due to the existence of the Zionist regime,” he charged.

Khamenei’s comments on Sunday came two days after Ahmadinejad marked al-Quds day on Friday by calling for the elimination of the “insult to all humanity” that is Israel, and said that its very existence is a crime against humanity.

508 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:18:10am

re: #506 lawhawk

Augusta National (home of the Masters) finally admits first two women members. Way to finally hit the 20th Century.

I hae totally run out of shits to give about the Augusta Club For Super-Rich Assholes Who Play A Stupid Boring Game. (Not that I ever had any to begin with)

509 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:18:11am
510 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:19:01am

Freeper morning!

Obama the capitalism-hating, liberty-hating, America-hating Marxist must be destroyed!!

Sorry for the direct link Charles. :)

511 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:19:49am
512 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:24:02am

re: #510 Gus

Freeper morning!

Obama the capitalism-hating, liberty-hating, America-hating Marxist must be destroyed!!

Sorry for the direct link Charles. :)

Jimbo is desperate to gain back his right wing street cred.

Praying with all my might that this is in accordance to God's will and plan. God works in mysterious ways.

May God bless and save America.

All Glory be to God.

In Jesus name we pray.

Amen.

Make it happen.

Yah man, pray like there's no tomorrow!!!

513 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:26:14am

re: #512 b_sharp

Jimbo is desperate to gain back his right wing street cred.

Yah man, pray like there's no tomorrow!!!

Robinson is another nutcase HIDING behind his religion.

514 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:26:18am

Meanwhile protesters in London feel the same way...

Iran's specter looms large over London's annual 'Quds Day' march

The Palestinians were conspicuously missing from the annual pro-Palestinian march in the British capital. Hezbollah and Iran, however, were everywhere.

Five hundred people (my count, the organizers claimed five thousand) gathered in central London this Friday afternoon for the annual Al-Quds day demonstration, calling literally for the destruction of Israel. But despite the Palestinian flags and the placards bearing graphic pictures of dead Palestinian children, it was no ordinary pro-Palestinian march, of which there are many in London.

515 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:26:32am

re: #510 Gus

Freeper morning!

Obama the capitalism-hating, liberty-hating, America-hating Marxist must be destroyed!!

Sorry for the direct link Charles. :)

LOL, gotta love the closing remarks after all that hate spewing. Looks like being being a nasty asshole in the name of religion isn't limited to people like Khamenei:

Praying with all my might that this is in accordance to God's will and plan. God works in mysterious ways.

May God bless and save America.

All Glory be to God.

In Jesus name we pray.

Amen.

516 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:26:58am

re: #506 lawhawk

Augusta National (home of the Masters) finally admits first two women members. Way to finally hit the 20th Century.

The only thing I hate is the fact that people were under the impression that women couldn't play there when they could (I honestly don't care if Augusta allows women members or not. It's a private club). A sports talk guy I listen to used to run a country club course in Michigan and they didn't allow women until noon on Saturdays. He said the women would play faster rounds than the guys because guys would spend 20 minutes looking for a ball that cost a couple bucks. The women didn't try to kill the ball, leading to a slice in the woods. The ladies would hit 120 yards, middle of the fairway, par golf.

517 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:27:37am

re: #495 Gus

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But remember, when the Obama campaign cited that, factcheck.org called them for "twisting Romney's views on abortion". I.e., by quoting him.

518 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:29:58am

re: #517 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

But remember, when the Obama campaign cited that, factcheck.org called them for "twisting Romney's views on abortion". I.e., by quoting him.

When the Obama campaign said that Ryan would see abortion outlawed in all cases Politifact called it "half true" because sometimes Ryan would let a woman live when it was abortion or death.

519 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:31:19am

wow. go away on vacation for a week and come back to find...nothings changed, it's only become funnier/scarier.

520 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:31:20am
521 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:31:33am

re: #518 allegro

When the Obama campaign said that Ryan would see abortion outlawed in all cases Politifact called it "half true" because sometimes Ryan would let a woman live when it was abortion or death.

How stupid are these assholes not to realize that if you allow the woman to die, the fetus dies too?

522 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:32:11am

"I am more reasonable than Todd Akin's hateful magical gibberish" is not an impressive position.

Walk back the absolute crazy of his inability to differentiate between a woman and a duck--which is sadly not a novel concept of his own crafting--and his position is still crazy and victim-blaming, and personhood is still a shitty concept fraught with legal complications, what with how it consigns pregnant women to be policed as though they were OSHA compliant buildings.

The veep is down with personhood, and worked with Akin to redefine rape. I take zero solace in a rejection that doesn't actually call out ALL of the crazy shit.

523 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:33:32am
524 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:34:33am

re: #503 allegro

About 12 hours ago he just "disagreed" with it. Typical Romney. "Tell me what to say!"

I'm telling you, he's going to walk it all the way back sooner or later - or he'll have Ryan take a completely contradictory position.

They're so afraid of losing votes, they'll take every position on everything, in the hopes that voters will believe whichever position best suits them.

Not gonna work, though.

525 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:34:59am

re: #523 Gus

Laugh all you want. Today they allow women, next week it will be minorities. This is not the South I grew up in.
///

526 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:35:23am

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

527 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:36:19am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

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528 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:36:29am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

Saw it, read it. Shocked by the cover.

529 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:36:33am

re: #525 Cannadian Club Akbar

Laugh all you want. Today they allow women, next week it will be minorities. This is not the South I grew up in.
///

I don't think Southern Democrats will ever be welcome in Augusta.

530 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:36:52am

re: #401 Obdicut

[Link: www.ktla.com...]

Cops in Venice, CA beat the shit out of a kid for skateboarding and 'resisting arrest'. In front of his house.

Found this longer video (3:49) on youtube. It seems about a dozen officers arrived at the scene to take Ronald Weekly into custody, for "suspicion of resisting arrest."

Youtube Video
531 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:37:27am

I love the way Chris Loesch put people down with his superior medical knowledge but misunderstands the science himself.

"So you don't know that a woman's body can self terminate a pregnancy due to physical or emotional stress? It is defense."

Aside from the fact Akin was talking about the body preventing pregnancy, not aborting a pregnancy, you seem to not understand the purpose behind the rejection.

Yah Chris, there have been cases where spontaneous abortions have occurred due to increased stress. Those abortions are the body's way of preserving the mother's health so she can conceive, carry and give birth to a healthy baby in the future.

In other words, we, along with other species giving birth to a low number of offspring at a time, have evolved a biological system that preserves the mother over the baby for a significant portion of the pregnancy. That preservation can be triggered by something as insignificant as too little to eat. Is that really an argument you want to put into pro-life propaganda?

532 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:37:45am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

You never thought you'd see Newsweek put a provocative story on the cover to sell copies?

533 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:39:36am

re: #513 Gus

Robinson is another nutcase HIDING behind his religion.

Jimbo plays the martyr every chance he gets. If he can drag his gang of sycophants along with him, all the merrier, because it validates his sense of persecution.

534 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:40:08am

re: #515 CuriousLurker

LOL, gotta love the closing remarks after all that hate spewing. Looks like being being a nasty asshole in the name of religion isn't limited to people like Khamenei:

I beat you!!!

535 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:40:42am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

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Your Liberal Media at work.
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536 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:41:06am

re: #533 b_sharp

Jimbo plays the martyr every chance he gets. If he can drag his gang of sycophants along with him, all the merrier, because it validates his sense of persecution.

You misspelled "psychopaths"
//

537 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:41:15am
538 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:41:57am

re: #516 Cannadian Club Akbar

The only thing I hate is the fact that people were under the impression that women couldn't play there when they could (I honestly don't care if Augusta allows women members or not. It's a private club). A sports talk guy I listen to used to run a country club course in Michigan and they didn't allow women until noon on Saturdays. He said the women would play faster rounds than the guys because guys would spend 20 minutes looking for a ball that cost a couple bucks. The women didn't try to kill the ball, leading to a slice in the woods. The ladies would hit 120 yards, middle of the fairway, par golf.

Water, trees, gopher holes 200 yards away = me.
Straight down the fairway 50 yards = my wife.

539 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:41:58am

re: #536 Learned Mother of Zion

You misspelled "psychopaths"
//

You misspelled douchebags.
(no need for the sarc tag)

540 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:43:31am

re: #538 b_sharp

Water, trees, gopher holes 200 yards away = me.
Straight down the fairway 50 yards = my wife.

I imagine an America where I can play a round of golf using only 1 ball. That would be 1.25 golf balls to you with the exchange.
///

542 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:45:00am

re: #538 b_sharp

Water, trees, gopher holes 200 yards away = me.
Straight down the fairway 50 yards = my wife.

Me;
Ball = 0 yards.
Clump of grass = 25 yards.

543 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:45:37am

I misspelled "of" twice in a recent post. Omitted both words entirely. Think I need new glasses.

544 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:45:41am

re: #530 abolitionist

Found this longer video (3:49) on youtube. It seems about a dozen officers arrived at the scene to take Ronald Weekly into custody, for "suspicion of resisting arrest."

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Skateboarding while not white is a serious offence in some places.

545 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:46:41am

re: #537 Lidane

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Does Romney really want to go after Obama on Afghanistan? He'd be better off keeping the debate about his taxes in the news. Obama killed bin Laden. Yes, there's been a lot of violence in Afghanistan and a lot of US personnel have been killed recently...that only supports the president's plan to get the fuck out of that country in the next year and a half.

And let's not forget that we're pretty much out of Iraq now.

And bin Laden's still dead.

546 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:47:29am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

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Lol, what plan would that be?
Romney hasn't put one out yet.

547 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:49:22am
548 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:50:31am

Low-life cocksucker joins the Akin defense:

549 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:53:41am

re: #548 darthstar

Low-life cocksucker joins the Akin defense:

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Yeah, come on, people. Bitches lie!

///so many//

550 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:54:25am

re: #549 allegro

Yeah, come on, people. Bitches lie!

I went through several drafts of responses to Fischer but finally settled on this.

551 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:54:41am

re: #537 Lidane

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Yeesh. Romney is such a fucking idiot.

552 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:55:22am

re: #551 Gus

Yeesh. Romney is such a fucking idiot.

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Romney's not just a fucking liar, but he's a bad fucking liar.

553 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:56:09am

re: #552 darthstar

Romney's not just a fucking liar, but he's a bad fucking liar.

He doesn't bother perfecting his skills because the Corporate Media™ and the GOP base allow him to get away with it.

554 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:56:25am

re: #552 darthstar

Romney's not just a fucking liar, but he's a bad fucking liar.

How can you tell when Mitt Romney's lying?

//

555 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:56:53am
556 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:57:13am

re: #554 Gus

How can you tell when Mitt Romney's lying?

//

He's breathing.

557 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:57:22am

re: #555 darthstar

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Wut?

558 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:58:35am

re: #557 Gus

Wut?

Ferguson's defense is that he was only talking about the spending side of the ACA...you know...when all else fails, manipulate the data.

559 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 8:59:55am

Today's FB image share:

Image: religiousdifferences.jpg

560 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:00:13am

Okay...time to get ready for work...bbl and probably sooner than that.

561 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:01:14am

re: #558 darthstar

Ferguson's defense is that he was only talking about the spending side of the ACA...you know...when all else fails, manipulate the data.

Another freaking Tory. He's moving to the USA if he hasn't already. The wingnuts can have him.

562 bratwurst  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:02:16am

I like how people are making a big deal out of the Newsweek cover. This is the same magazine that devoted a cover to the Olsen twins last year and TWO covers to Kate Middleton and the royal wedding.

563 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:02:29am
564 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:02:43am

Matt Lewis! LOL

565 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:02:56am

re: #563 Lidane

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Damn you!

//

566 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:04:52am

re: #555 darthstar

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What does that even mean?

567 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:06:49am

re: #562 bratwurst

That's because liberal rags like Newsweek usually doesn't attack liberals. Remember, it was either Newsweek or Time (I forget) that wouldn't run the Clinton/Monica story and that gave us Drudge.

568 dragonath  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:10:11am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

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Niall Ferguson is a joke. His German revisionist fantasies are second only to Pat Buchanan.

569 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:10:24am

Tax cuts for the rich!

570 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:13:51am

This any good?

Niall Ferguson Disappoints, on Jews and Money

Last night Yivo Institute on W. 16th Street hosted a talk by the Harvard historian Niall Ferguson on “Jews and Money.” How excited I was to hand over my $15. The center dedicated to the study of Yiddish-speaking Jews was bringing in a heavyweight prof, a biographer of Rothschilds and Warburgs, to anatomize the culture of Jewish success.

What a fizzle. Niall Ferguson was overawed by the SRO New York audience and his Lazard Freres intoducer, an affable machine in a too-long red tie, and did not venture one bold thought on the matter. Most of his talk seemed aimed at gaining the audience’s approval by showing that he regarded the alleged affinity of Jews and money as anti-Semitic stereotype from Europe in the 1800s. Jews were no different from other ethnic minorities: Armenians in Turkey, Parsis in India, even Asians at Harvard today. O.K., but what are the facts? How wealthy are Jews? How much are “Wong and Chang,” as Ferguson blithely caricatured his top students at Harvard, worth? I read the ad: This was not a talk about history or aspiration but money. Ferguson offered zero data, that’s 0 data, on wealth in the U.S. today and confined himself to Germany during Weimar, where he stated Jewish overrepresentation in German elites was on a factor of 33 (to 1, was implicit; his statistics were sadly vague).

The talk took a safe slide at the end into the matter of intermarriage—again, not what Yivo said he was talking about when it asked for my $15, and again in historical terms. Ferguson said that in the 1920s, Hamburg (50 percent) and Berlin (43) had the greatest rates of Jewish intermarriage in Central Europe. Why? Was it the girl wanting to marry in, or the boy marrying out? The novelist/sociologist did not show up for this talk. Though Ferguson said, intriguingly, that high intermarriage rates were a motivator for Nazi ideology, Hitler wanting to purify Aryan blood from “self-assimilators.”

Intermarriage allowed him to conclude on a homiletic note that was calculated to please the (Jewish) crowd: “Jews don’t necessarily gain much from ceasing to be Jews.”

...

571 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15:19am

"Niall Ferguson" site:amren.com

572 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15:39am

"Niall Ferguson" site:vdare.com

573 Mattand  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:15:40am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

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Because it's a well know fact that Newsweek is the librul equivalent of Fox News, and they never ever criticize Democrats.

Or something.

574 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:16:55am

re: #570 Gus

WTF??

Ferguson said that in the 1920s, Hamburg (50 percent) and Berlin (43) had the greatest rates of Jewish intermarriage in Central Europe. Why? Was it the girl wanting to marry in, or the boy marrying out? The novelist/sociologist did not show up for this talk. Though Ferguson said, intriguingly, that high intermarriage rates were a motivator for Nazi ideology, Hitler wanting to purify Aryan blood from “self-assimilators.”

Did he then turn around and complain that Orthodox Jews are "too clannish" and "don't marry outsiders because they don't want to pollute their bloodlines"

575 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:17:17am

Sometimes you can tell a lot about a person's work by their admirers. Just throwing things out.

576 Lidane  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:18:56am

Imagine that:

Fischer just happens to link to the same 1999 article I pointed at here. That really is the "pro-life" position on rape. They seriously think that if a woman is traumatized enough and stressed out enough by rape that she won't get pregnant.

577 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:20:07am

re: #576 Lidane

Imagine that:

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Fischer just happens to link to the same 1999 article I pointed at here. That really is the "pro-life" position on rape. They seriously think that if a woman is traumatized enough and stressed out enough by rape that she won't get pregnant.

Don't forget the certain secretions!

/gah

578 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:21:12am

re: #577 makeitstop

Don't forget the certain secretions!

/gah

They really do believe that a woman is the same as a duck!

579 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:21:28am

re: #574 Learned Mother of Zion

WTF??

Did he then turn around and complain that Orthodox Jews are "too clannish" and "don't marry outsiders because they don't want to pollute their bloodlines"

I'm not familiar with these topics but there's more here:

The Ascent (and Descent) of Money

We are delighted to welcome Niall Ferguson, one of those rare historians who is equally brilliant investigating the past, and analyzing the present. The author of the superb Ascent of Money and The House of Rothschild probes with his customary clarity and acuity the relationships between Jews and finance, and anti-Semitism and financial crises, topics especially pertinent now.

1 hour video.

580 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:21:51am

re: #577 makeitstop

Don't forget the certain secretions!

/gah

If I never hear the word secretion again it will be to soon.

581 dragonath  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:22:13am

Maybe the owners of Newsweek are trying to cut their losses and piss off everybody at once. Why, last week they were calling Romney a wimp

582 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:23:40am
583 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:23:42am

re: #581 dragonath

Maybe the owners of Newsweek are trying to cut their losses and piss off everybody at once. Why, last week they were calling Romney a wimp

Didn't they call him "really mean" one week and a wimp the next? Or was that Robert Gibbs?

584 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:25:04am

re: #574 Learned Mother of Zion

WTF??

Did he then turn around and complain that Orthodox Jews are "too clannish" and "don't marry outsiders because they don't want to pollute their bloodlines"

The man is an ass of astounding proportions. He's written one book that's an elaborate confection about how Germany wasn't responsible for WW1, and another that's a mass of excuses for the British Empire. He's also an enthusiast for the "Eurabia" concept, a flax tax (33% sales) supporter, and down with the neocon foreign policy.

Apparently his entire status as a serious scholar is based on his well-received works on the Rothschilds...since then, it's been hype, unjustified assumptions, and counterfactual historical speculation.

585 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:26:53am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

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I knew there was a reason I dropped my Newsweek subscription.

586 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:26:58am

Good Morning, Mr. Akin. Your bus has arrived. Now get under it.

587 dragonath  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:30:55am

I love how this foppish, right-wing British nationalist has an Irish name.

588 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:33:07am

re: #587 dragonath

I love how this foppish, right-wing British nationalist has an Irish name.

I'm just happy he doesn't have a Jewish name.

589 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:35:38am

Doubling down on Teh Stupid

590 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:35:58am

Gee. What a surprise.

591 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:38:52am

Niall Ferguson's ridiculous defense

592 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:39:08am

GAH

593 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:39:19am

So contrary to what Ferguson leads readers to believe, the CBO report does not state that the reduction is "unclear." What is "unclear" is whether the reduction will come through greater efficiencies in healthcare delivery or reduced access to care.

So, one more time: The Oxford-trained, Harvard-employed, Newsweek contibutor Niall Ferguson just edited the CBO report to change its meaning.

With all due lack of respect: What are you thinking?
-- Dylan Byers

594 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:40:00am

re: #589 Learned Mother of Zion

The 'grossly distorting' part of all this is the rationalization of Akin's comments by Bryan Fischer and like minded ideologues.

595 darthstar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:42:28am

Okay...taking the dogs to the vet, then I'm off to work...here's the political programming schedule for the week just in case you have other things to do and don't want to lose track:

596 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:43:56am

re: #595 darthstar

Okay...taking the dogs to the vet, then I'm off to work...here's the political programming schedule for the week just in case you have other things to do and don't want to lose track:

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You forgot the last part...

And it was all the LIBRULS fault!

597 dragonath  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:44:05am

Assuming Akin steps down (which I'm not sure he will), the two primary challengers deadlocked at almost 29%.

{popcorn}

I looked at a bunch of podunk Missouri papers and this story is everywhere.

598 allegro  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:44:13am

re: #592 Learned Mother of Zion

GAH

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(bannable statement deleted)

599 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:45:30am

Congressman Todd Akin and the Committee for Ironic Lady Science

Like much of the far-right's social ideology, Akin's beliefs were shaped in a bubble of rhetoric in which white men are the only perspective being considered. When he emerged from that bubble to air his precious views in public, demeaning the legitimacy of rape victims and fantasizing about human biology in order to force additional misery on women, he was met with gasps.

It should come as no surprise that a man who takes social cues from Leviticus and gets his knowledge of human anatomy from a Tea Party website serves on the House Committee on Science, Space and Technology.

The republicans are nothing if not fans of ironic committee postings. Reverse Captain Planet James Inhofe is still the ranking republican on the Senate committee responsible for environmental policy and Michele Bachmann clicks her pen and doodles crosses a lot while sitting on the House intelligence committee.

Republican Lady-parts Chart

600 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:49:13am

re: #590 Gus

Interesting.

601 dragonath  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:50:58am

Ron Johnson, R-Wisconsin sez:

...for the good of the natioooooooon!!

603 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:52:16am

re: #578 Learned Mother of Zion

They really do believe that a woman is the same as a duck!

And made of wood.

604 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:53:23am

re: #602 Gus

Virginia Republicans Call for Armed Revolution if Obama Wins in November

Now imagine a Muslim group saying that crap.

605 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:54:38am

re: #593 Gus

So contrary to what Ferguson leads readers to believe, the CBO report does not state that the reduction is "unclear." What is "unclear" is whether the reduction will come through greater efficiencies in healthcare delivery or reduced access to care.

So, one more time: The Oxford-trained, Harvard-employed, Newsweek contibutor Niall Ferguson just edited the CBO report to change its meaning.

With all due lack of respect: What are you thinking?
-- Dylan Byers

Ford and General Motors vs. Horses.

606 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:56:09am
607 Kragar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:57:02am

Pro-Gay Donors & Activists Have 'Poisoned' the GOP and Must Be 'Rooted Out'

On Friday's episode of "The Janet Mefferd Show," Matt Barber was interviewed to give his thoughts on "the GOP and their buckling stance on homosexuality." Barber was, not surprisingly, highly critical of any effort by the Republican Party to try to appear less openly-hostile to gays and blasted the party for even letting groups like GOProud and the Log Cabin Republicans or pro-gay donors have a seat at the table.

Such groups were, Barber asserted, really just gay activists in disguise who are intent destroying the Republican Party from within. As such, they and like-minded donors have "poisoned" the GOP and need to be "rooted out" because the "most important election in history" is approaching and the party cannot risk alienating its Chick-fil-A-loving, anti-gay base at a time like this:

Yes, its obviously those dastardly homosexuals who are destroying the GOP and not the bible thumping science deniers who keep rewriting history every chance they get.

608 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:58:08am
609 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:58:15am

re: #604 Gus

Now imagine a Muslim group saying that crap.

Or an OWS moonbat.

Former union boss at Occupy event: Our goal is to ‘overthrow the capitalist system and build communism’ [VIDEO]

Former Amalgamated Transit Union local 689 president Mike Golash, now an “Occupy” movement organizer, was caught on tape Sunday revealing his political goals: overthrowing capitalism in the United States and instituting a communist government.

“Progressive labor is a revolutionary communist organization,” Golash said during an Occupy DC “People’s Assembly” on August 19.

“Its objective,” he added, “is to make revolution in the United States, overthrow the capitalist system and build communism.”

Golash said he and his comrades are “trying to learn something from the historical revolutions of the past: the Russian revolution, the Chinese revolution, the revolutions in Cuba and Eastern Europe.”

“What can we learn from them so we can build a more successful movement to transform capitalist society?”

610 Kragar  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 9:59:31am
611 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:00:39am

re: #609 NJDhockeyfan

Or an OWS moonbat.

Former union boss at Occupy event: Our goal is to ‘overthrow the capitalist system and build communism’ [VIDEO]

Yeah, that's fucked. But I will say this...

DAILY CALLER LOL!

612 Gus  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:01:53am
613 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:02:12am

re: #609 NJDhockeyfan

At least some of the revolutions he cited, the more recent ones, were bloodless. So he's free to advocate bloodless revolution all he wants.

614 dragonath  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:04:51am

re: #609 NJDhockeyfan

Former union boss. And gee whiz, any student of history should know that unions lost their independence under communism.

615 abolitionist  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:08:38am

re: #602 Gus

Virginia Republicans Call for Armed Revolution if Obama Wins in November

Excerpt:

If one is confused as to what Republicans consider is a “political socialist ideologue,” the newsletter claims President Obama “shuns biblical praise, handicaps economic ability, disrespects the honor of earned military might,” and that under Obama, “the government is out of control, and this opportunity, must not be forsaken for we shall not have any coarse (sic) but armed revolution.”

I'll go on record right now: I'm strongly in favor of every US President shunning biblical praise. Virginia is for idiots.

616 makeitstop  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:11:34am

re: #609 NJDhockeyfan

Or an OWS moonbat.

Former union boss at Occupy event: Our goal is to ‘overthrow the capitalist system and build communism’ [VIDEO]

Where did the aforementioned moonbat mention armed revolution? I must have missed it.

617 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:14:11am

re: #526 NJDhockeyfan

I never thought I would see a Newsweek cover story like this.

As I said the other night, Newsbleat is desperately tying to avoid their deeply deserved death. It will be a good thing when they cease publication.

Where is that allegedly liberal media? Anyone? Bueller?

618 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:16:23am

re: #592 Learned Mother of Zion

GAH

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If women are being hysterical, perhaps all they need is a doctor's manipulation of their clitoris.

(If you don't get that, check into the 18th century treatment for hysteria)

619 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:17:30am

re: #616 makeitstop

Some of the revolutions he said they're trying to learn from, the older ones, were violent. He doesn't really disavow the violent bits, but there's no reason to suspect he's advocating violent revolution.

620 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 20, 2012 10:30:30am

re: #616 makeitstop

I'm not really worried about a violent communist revolution occurring in the US. The GOP have been absolute shitheads and done their best to give capitalism (and democracy) a bad name, but I don't think we're at the level of wealth disparity yet to spark revolution.

What the GOP and their supports don't seem to realize is that there is a point where that would cease to be true, where people really will revolt when they realize they have no chance in their lives of really getting ahead and the moneyed classes have completely gamed the system.


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