Missouri Republican: God ‘Blesses’ Raped Women by Making Them Pregnant

They’re coming out of the woodwork
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Despite all the GOP politicians falling over themselves denouncing Todd Akin, he’s no outlier in the Republican Party. His views are absolutely mainstream. Listen to Sharon Barnes of the Missouri Republican central committee:

While Republicans at the national level were in a hurry to shove him aside, Republican opinion had not hardened against Mr. Akin in Missouri, in part because of the salience of the abortion issue. “The congressman is totally, firmly, solidly pro-life,” Sharon Barnes, a member of the state Republican central committee, said, adding that Mr. Akin believed “that abortion is never an option.”

Ms. Barnes echoed Mr. Akin’s statement that very few rapes resulted in pregnancy, adding that “at that point, if God has chosen to bless this person with a life, you don’t kill it.”

“That’s more what I believe he was trying to state,” she said. “He just phrased it badly.”

Ms. Barnes said that she believed that the controversy would blow over, and that once people in the state became more familiar with Mr. Akin, they would learn “what a great, conservative, godly man Todd Akin is, and they’ll put his comment in its proper context.”

That’s right; according to Sharon Barnes, God sometimes “blesses” women with children by having them raped.

This is why Akin is still staying in the Senate race — his medieval views have the backing of countless religious fanatics in Missouri.

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206 comments
1 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:45:19am

I've told this story before, but I was once approached by a woman who was a non-attending member of my faith. She had become pregnant through rape. She did not wish an abortion. She was originally planning on giving the child up for adoption, but was now reconsidering. Did I think, possibly, that since such bad things had been happening in her life (there was more than just the rape), that God might have sent this child as a blessing?

I told her that she would have to decide what to do, that nobody could decide for her, but that I was certain that God would never arrange for anyone to be raped.

2 William of Orange  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:45:39am

Howcome I only get the feeling that it's not God blessing the pregnancy but it the GOP who's doing the blessing?

3 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:46:31am

I'm really getting sick and fucking tired of these evil "God's will" bastards.

4 erik_t  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:46:33am

Probably not hard to hate the Others when you believe in such a vicious, hateful shitbag of a God.

5 darthstar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:47:00am

I don't visit Foxnews, so I'll have to take this tweet's word for it.

6 Tumulus11  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:47:26am

. That wooosh is the sound of potential women voters leaving the GOP.

7 William of Orange  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:47:53am

re: #3 Kragar

I'm really getting sick and fucking tired of these evil "God's will" bastards.

I'm sure a Republican defeat will also be God's will...

8 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:48:05am

Hey, sorry I didn't stop that rape from happening in the first place, because hey: free will. But to make it up to you, here's a kid you didn't want. Behold My magnanimous glory.

9 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:48:35am

No way! A Republican said this?

//

10 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:49:23am
11 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:49:46am

re: #7 William of Orange

You would think when their dick's stop working, it would be "God's Will", but instead they make sure health care covers Viagra. Why do the Republicans hate the will of God?

12 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:49:53am

The GOP can't try and walk back this because there's nothing to walk back. Akin's views are indistinguishable from the rest of the GOP mainstream party platforms - particularly when it comes to abortion, rape, and womens' rights. Moreover, Akin was trying to push his take on rape and make it part of federal law and had support of countless fellow GOPers (trying to distinguish between forcible rape, nonforcible rape, legitimate rape, etc. when there's only rape).

It's why he's got the support of Barnes and Huckabee and any number of other GOPers. It's GOP strategists and pragmatic GOPers who see the optics of Akin's comments and realize that it's likely to cost them votes nationally as people realize what the GOP is peddling, which is why they're trying to shuffle him off the stage.

But Akin's support is strong enough in Missouri, that he could still become US Senator despite his misogynistic worldview.

13 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:50:20am

re: #6 Tumulus11

If that were only true.

14 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:51:42am

re: #1 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I've told this story before, but I was once approached by a woman who was a non-attending member of my faith. She had become pregnant through rape. She did not wish an abortion. She was originally planning on giving the child up for adoption, but was now reconsidering. Did I think, possibly, that since such bad things had been happening in her life (there was more than just the rape), that God might have sent this child as a blessing?

I told her that she would have to decide what to do, that nobody could decide for her, but that I was certain that God would never arrange for anyone to be raped.

There is nothing wrong for a woman to make that decision for herself based on her conscience and her circumstances. And it would be the "Christian" thing to do to morally and physically support this woman in her efforts to raise the child.

But it is f*cking sick to criminalize her choice if it is the "wrong" one.

15 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52:02am

But if a woman wants to 'bless' herself with a child using a turkey baster, that's the devil.

16 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52:05am

These people scare me.

17 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52:07am

If God wants to bless a woman who's been through a rape, how about arranging for her to see a double rainbow?

Be an instant winner? Even if it's just for a doughnut, that's cool.

Get the last shady parking spot.

Find a dress she loves in her size on the clearance rack.

I realize I'm being trivial, but there are a lot of ways God could send some little happy moments to a rape victim.

18 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52:14am

re: #5 darthstar

I don't visit Foxnews, so I'll have to take this tweet's word for it.

America in decline, sign post #3,987

19 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52:47am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

These people scare me.

A sure sign of sanity.

20 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:52:59am
But Akin's support is strong enough in Missouri, that he could still become US Senator despite because of his misogynistic worldview.

fxd

21 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:53:21am

re: #11 Kragar

You would think when their dick's stop working, it would be "God's Will", but instead they make sure health care covers Viagra. Why do the Republicans hate the will of God?

There is an argument for that: namely that impotence is a medical condition that can be treated with medication, whereas pregnancy is not.

But it does not mean that I support their views vis-a-vis conrtraception or abortion.

22 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:53:24am

re: #6 Tumulus11

. That wooosh is the sound of potential women voters leaving the GOP.

The cynic in me (rather the cynic that is me) knows that, for every woman who is disgusted by these comments and rethinks her vote for the GOP, there's another who's convinced that abortion is wrong in every instance and that scumbags like Akin are just "doing the Lord's work."

23 bluecheese  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:54:25am

well at least Akin doesn't do graffiti at OWS protests.

both sides do it.

24 darthstar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:54:31am

Well, at least it's something.

25 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:54:37am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

These people scare me.

"God, save me from your followers."

26 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:55:11am

re: #21 Expand Your Ground

There is an argument for that: namely that impotence is a medical condition that can be treated with medication, whereas pregnancy is not.

But it does not mean that I support their views vis-a-vis conrtraception or abortion.

Sure it can. RU-486.

27 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:55:29am

re: #15 wrenchwench

And some of the GOP proposed legislation would make IVF impossible.

28 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:55:38am

re: #24 darthstar

Well, at least it's something.

Compromisers! Sell-outs!

29 erik_t  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:55:43am

re: #22 Targetpractice

The cynic in me (rather the cynic that is me) knows that, for every woman who is disgusted by these comments and rethinks her vote for the GOP, there's another who's convinced that abortion is wrong in every instance and that scumbags like Akin are just "doing the Lord's work."

The data (PDF) disagree.

Q7 Which of the following statements comes
closest to your position on abortion: it should
be legal in all cases; it should generally be
illegal with exception for rape, incest, or
protection of the mother’s life; or should it be
completely illegal?

Legal in all cases 33%
Illegal except for rape, incest, or the mother's life 47%
Completely illegal 14%
Not sure 5%

30 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:56:11am

re: #24 darthstar

Well, at least it's something.

Fact they even needed to debate that is sad yet typical of what that party is becoming

31 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:56:24am

re: #17 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I realize I'm being trivial, but there are a lot of ways God could send some little happy moments to a rape victim.

He could send some Christians who are willing to provide her with moral, emotional and financial support and encourage her to make a decision that she can live with based on her conscience and circumstances.

And not Chrstians who are so absolutist that they cannot see the humanity behind God's creation.

The song goes "They Will Know We Are Christians by our Love" and not ""They Will Know We Are Christians by our Unyielding Ideological Purity"

32 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:56:34am

re: #24 darthstar

Well, at least it's something.

Prolife! /

33 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:56:41am

re: #22 Targetpractice

The cynic in me (rather the cynic that is me) knows that, for every woman who is disgusted by these comments and rethinks her vote for the GOP, there's another who's convinced that abortion is wrong in every instance and that scumbags like Akin are just "doing the Lord's work."

I think polls on the issue would show another story. It is by no means 50% of women who are forced birthers. But, point taken. There are quite a number of women who feel they don't deserve full agency.

34 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:56:42am

re: #5 darthstar

I don't visit Foxnews, so I'll have to take this tweet's word for it.

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It's true. I was checking it out yesterday because Fox Nation does allow comments and I wanted to see what the wingnuts had to say. Sadly, there was no story there.

35 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:56:48am

re: #29 erik_t

The data (PDF) disagree.

And Akin's playing the 47% who believe in "exceptions" for saps, just as most of the rest of the party is. They promise "exceptions," while they're writing the rules such that it's virtually impossible to qualify for them, thus ensuring an effective ban on abortion.

36 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:58:12am

re: #12 lawhawk

But Akin's support is strong enough in Missouri, that he could still become US Senator despite his misogynistic worldview.

Which could further be worded as:

But Akin's support is strong enough in Missouri, that he could still become US Senator because of his misogynistic worldview.

37 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:58:47am

re: #16 HappyWarrior

These people scare me.

I've been saying that for ages. It's why I could never be a Republican, and is also why I don't put much stock in organized religion. Any God that would "bless" a woman with a child by having her raped first isn't a God that I want any part of.

38 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:59:03am

re: #29 erik_t

The data (PDF) disagree.

re: #33 allegro

I think polls on the issue would show another story. It is by no means 50% of women who are forced birthers. But, point taken. There are quite a number of women who feel they don't deserve full agency.

Oops. I was wrong about that. Well, that's depressing.

39 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:59:41am

re: #36 lawhawk

Which could further be worded as:

Bulworth did that for you.

40 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:59:57am

OT

41 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 11:59:59am

re: #21 Expand Your Ground

There is an argument for that: namely that impotence is a medical condition that can be treated with medication, whereas pregnancy is not.

But it does not mean that I support their views vis-a-vis conrtraception or abortion.

...and that's why pregnant women see medical specialists called obstetricians...oh, wait....
//

42 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:00:06pm

re: #26 allegro

Sure it can. RU-486.

There are a number of abortifacients, RU-486 being the most well known, the point being there is a difference between a medical condition such as impotence, diabetes or cancer, and being pregnant.

Once again, I do not agree with the GOP views on abortion or contgraception at all, I am just saying that we must be careful not to conflate two separate conditions for the sake of a quaint argument about old guys getting boner pills

43 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:03:20pm

re: #2 William of Orange

Howcome I only get the feeling that it's not God blessing the pregnancy but it the GOP who's doing the blessing?

I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do, because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.
- Susan B. Anthony

44 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:03:35pm

re: #34 Sionainn

It's true. I was checking it out yesterday because Fox Nation does allow comments and I wanted to see what the wingnuts had to say. Sadly, there was no story there.

Well Fox and Fox Nation prefer stupid anti Obama circle jerks rather than reporting news.

45 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:03:56pm

re: #40 Gus

OT

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Shrieking & gnashing of teeth to begin in 5...4...3...

46 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:07:49pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

Shrieking & gnashing of teeth to begin in 5...4...3...

That's silly, CL. The shrieking and gnashing of teeth never stops.

47 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:08:02pm

re: #42 Expand Your Ground

There are a number of abortifacients, RU-486 being the most well known, the point being there is a difference between a medical condition such as impotence, diabetes or cancer, and being pregnant.

Once again, I do not agree with the GOP views on abortion or contgraception at all, I am just saying that we must be careful not to conflate two separate conditions for the sake of a quaint argument about old guys getting boner pills

It should also not be conflated with slavery, parasites, kidnapping, possession by aliens, and lots of other things, but I've heard pregnant women do that. Not for a quaint argument, but to try to describe what it's like. The 'it's not a medical condition' line is used by people who want women to submit without thought or care to what's happening to them.

48 darthstar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:08:40pm
49 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:09:47pm

re: #41 Sionainn

...and that's why pregnant women see medical specialists called obstetricians...oh, wait....
//

...and that's why pregnancy can't kill you...oh, wait....

//

50 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:09:48pm

Romney is apparently promising a crowd there will be no Medicare cuts at the same time his support team is telling people cuts are going to be necessary.

51 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:10:19pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Well Fox and Fox Nation prefer stupid anti Obama circle jerks rather than reporting news.

That's exactly what was going on yesterday.

52 erik_t  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:10:22pm

re: #50 Kragar

Romney is apparently promising a crowd there will be no Medicare cuts at the same time his support team is telling people cuts are going to be necessary.

talkingpointsmemo.com...]>

The Heisenberg Candidate.

Previous campaigns merely attempted to hold a single position at a time.

53 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:12:45pm

re: #52 erik_t

The Heisenberg Candidate.

Previous campaigns merely attempted to hold a single position at a time.

But I don't want to see the state collapse that happens when he wins the election.

54 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:13:24pm

re: #52 erik_t

His running mate is locked in a box and we won't know his current positions until it gets opened.

Heisenberg/Schrodinger '12

55 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:14:53pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

It should also not be conflated with slavery, parasites, kidnapping, possession by aliens, and lots of other things, but I've heard pregnant women do that. Not for a quaint argument, but to try to describe what it's like. The 'it's not a medical condition' line is used by people who want women to submit without thought or care to what's happening to them.

Because our society has conspired to make it that way.

Look, I am fully pro-choice, we should just be careful about the arguments we choose to support it.

And peole who oppose abortions shold be looking for positive ways to encourage women to keep their babies instead of criminlizing their choices.

56 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:15:12pm

re: #53 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Already seen it...

57 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:15:54pm

re: #45 CuriousLurker

Shrieking & gnashing of teeth to begin in 5...4...3...

I see Caroline Glick supported Geller's efforts in running the ads in NYC. She even urged her readers to contribute financially. I wasn't aware of that until now.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:17:40pm

re: #57 CuriousLurker

I see Caroline Glick supported Geller's efforts in running the ads in NYC. She even urged her readers to contribute financially. I wasn't aware of that until now.

Sadly, I'm not too surprised. Glick has gone off these rails these past few years.

59 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:18:14pm
60 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:18:53pm

Hyperbole -- he haz some:

61 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:19:17pm

re: #55 Expand Your Ground

And peole who oppose abortions shold be choosing to not get them and keeping their noses out of other women's looking for positive ways to encourage women to keep their babies instead of criminlizing their choices.

I'm all for supporting families with children. I think our public investments in education, healthcare, nutrition and more are among the most valuable there are to make. I do not, however, agree that there is any justification for imposing personal, intimate choices on another, no matter how benign you think that is.

62 SpaceJesus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:19:22pm

heh, i just used "they're coming out of the woodwork" as a caption to this same story somewhere else. weird.

63 erik_t  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:20:04pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

Team Romney no show on MSNBC to discuss women’s rights, saying “they don’t have an appropriate spokesperson.”

Fitting, since they don't have an appropriate candidate for either office.

64 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:20:33pm

re: #60 Lidane

Jesus to Fischer: Leave me out of this, asshole.

65 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:22:06pm

re: #57 CuriousLurker

I see Caroline Glick supported Geller's efforts in running the ads in NYC. She even urged her readers to contribute financially. I wasn't aware of that until now.

When I started realizing that the "counter-jihad" movement was actually a movement of pure hatred, Caroline Glick emailed me and begged me to stop criticizing Geller and Spencer.

She wasn't the only right wing pundit who emailed me about that, either. It was really eye-opening to learn that so many of these people had no problem at all with far right fascists and hate groups, as long as they were anti-Muslim.

66 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:24:20pm

re: #61 allegro

I'm all for supporting families with children. I think our public investments in education, healthcare, nutrition and more are among the most valuable there are to make. I do not, however, agree that there is any justification for imposing personal, intimate choices on another, no matter how benign you think that is.

It is about offering options, but there are people who are too religiously hidebound to understand that. Too many of them just want to restrict choices and impose their way of doing things on others.

I am fully pro-choice. It is nonethehless not a matter to be taken lightly or placed in the same category as acne or halitosis.

67 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:25:05pm

re: #55 Expand Your Ground

And people who oppose abortions should be looking for positive ways to encourage women to keep their babies instead of criminalizing their choices.

They don't necessarily want women to keep their babies--if you're married and are the right kind of Christian, they're okay with it (but the "right kind" includes an anti-abortion litmus test). The basic model of the "pregnancy crisis center" is to convince single women to give up their children for adoption...not actually adoption, but basically the PCC sells the kid to a "Christian" family whose vetting is entirely based on shared ideology.

What they want is for women to carry kids to term, after which they only care about them if they tow a very narrow line (if at all).

68 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:25:45pm

Some Christians hold a rather simplistic view of what God does and what God doesn't do, the core of which: If something good happens to you its because God blesses you. If something bad happens to you, it's Satan attacking you.

Another theory (which is more my thoughts on the subject) is that God, as a Heavenly Father, acts like a parent would towards a child.

A parent is not meant to shield a child from every little bit of danger and trouble they might get into. Children must be taught on how to deal with dangers themselves. Consider a 21 year-old drug addict. This person's parents weren't necessarily bad parents because their son is now a drug addict. When a child reaches maturity, he or she becomes able to make their own choices and I think we can all agree that sometimes we make stupid choices and must deal with the consequences of those actions.

So while God has the ability to intercede, he sometimes doesn't.

Think of the young girl, the sports reporter, who was killed in the Aurora shooting. Now God could have, say caused James Holmes' engine to stall on the way to the theater but then all the events that happened as a result of the shooting, including some positive things, would not take place.

I don't pretend to understand how this is all supposed to work, I am merely describing different attitudes I've heard with regards to the question of why God allows suffering.

I also must make it clear that I do NOT believe God ever wants someone to be raped.

69 dragonfire1981  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:26:30pm

re: #59 Charles Johnson

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"Dammit, Mitt, I told you we needed to hire some women on this campaign!"

70 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:27:33pm

re: #67 The Ghost of a Flea

They can only expand their numbers thru active recruitment into the lifestyle and they show a preference to targeting children.

71 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:27:57pm

re: #67 The Ghost of a Flea

They don't necessarily want women to keep their babies--if you're married and are the right kind of Christian, they're okay with it (but the "right kind" includes an anti-abortion litmus test). The basic model of the "pregnancy crisis center" is to convince single women to give up their children for adoption...not actually adoption, but basically the PCC sells the kid to a "Christian" family whose vetting is entirely based on shared ideology.

What they want is for women to carry kids to term, after which they only care about them if they tow a very narrow line (if at all).

72 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:28:38pm

re: #69 dragonfire1981

"Dammit, Mitt, I told you we needed to hire some women on this campaign!"

So when does the Romney Campaign hire Dr McCoy?

"Dammit Mitt, I'm a campaign advisor, not a gynecologist!"

"It's dead Mitt."

etc.

73 AK-47%  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:28:58pm

re: #70 Kragar

They can only expand their numbers thru active recruitment into the lifestyle and they show a preference to targeting children.

You mean they are turning women into baby factories for turning out Christian children?

74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:29:57pm

re: #73 Expand Your Ground

You mean they are turning women into baby factories for turning out Christian children?

They project their goals and motivations onto everyone else, why not here as well?
/

75 calochortus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:30:31pm

re: #68 dragonfire1981

But parents aren't all powerful when it comes to their children. If I could cut off my right arm to ensure my children's happiness I would do it in a heartbeat. Obviously that wouldn't work. God presumably could make life happy for everyone but doesn't. I don't understand why that would be.

76 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:30:34pm

re: #73 Expand Your Ground

Yup, and they try to convert people all the time.

77 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:31:16pm

LGF readers: be aware that the website "FreeWoodPost" is a parody site, but their articles are not clearly labeled as such, and they're not obviously parodies either. I've gotten links to TWO of their articles today that attribute insane quotes to Todd Akin and Mitt Romney. They're fakes.

78 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:33:12pm

re: #60 Lidane

Hyperbole -- he haz some:

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What, Ann doesn't want to talk to the plebes? I thought she was supposed to be Mitt's go-to adviser on all things female?

79 Destro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:34:50pm

Hey, remember when rape victims were forced to marry their rapists? Those were the good ole days.....

80 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:35:11pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

They do have this on the site though:

[Link: www.freewoodpost.com...]

Free Wood Post is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within FreeWoodPost.com are fiction, and presumably fake news.

Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental, except for all references to politicians and/or celebrities, in which case they are based on real people, but still based almost entirely in fiction.

FreeWoodPost.com is intended for a mature, sophisticated, and discerning audience.

81 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:35:18pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

LGF readers: be aware that the website "FreeWoodPost" is a parody site, but their articles are not clearly labeled as such, and they're not obviously parodies either. I've gotten links to TWO of their articles today that attribute insane quotes to Todd Akin and Mitt Romney. They're fakes.

There's also this:

Could you delete that post I just reported?

82 Destro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:35:43pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

LGF readers: be aware that the website "FreeWoodPost" is a parody site, but their articles are not clearly labeled as such, and they're not obviously parodies either. I've gotten links to TWO of their articles today that attribute insane quotes to Todd Akin and Mitt Romney. They're fakes.

"Fake but accurate"

83 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:36:12pm

It has become harder and harder to support GOP planks and platforms.

In embracing the Evangelical political (and anti science) agenda, they have so muddied the waters they have made endorsing even legitimate ideas very difficult.

It is very difficult to wade through a cesspool so as to reach a patch of green.

84 nines09  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:37:59pm

Hello. You don't know me, but I've been called a rapist, and frankly, I do get a charge out of raping women. But now, thanks to the Wonderful People down at the Republican Headquarters, I've been promoted to "Purveyor Of Gods Great Blessings" if I illegitimately rape you and you become pregnant. Is this a great country or what?
Signed; Cretinous Slime

85 kirkspencer  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:38:10pm

re: #83 researchok

It has become harder and harder to support GOP planks and platforms.

In embracing the Evangelical political (and anti science) agenda, they have so muddied the waters they have made endorsing even legitimate ideas very difficult.

It is very difficult to wade through a cesspool so as to reach a patch of green.

Once the platform is blessed, I will be going through it - as will, I suspect, several other lizards. It'll be interesting to see which of us finds and pages the most jaw-dropping clause.

86 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:38:23pm

Julian Assange’s Rape Case Has Nothing to Do With Free Speech

Moore and Stone concede that the allegations should be "thoroughly investigated," but then argue that the attempt to extradite Assange to Sweden in order to investigate the claims is a secret ploy to extradite him to the U.S. to face trial for Wikileaks' classified diplomatic cable release. "Taken together, the British and Swedish governments' actions suggest to us that their real agenda is to get Mr. Assange to Sweden," they write.

But every one of their points in support of a dark Swedish-U.S.-U.K. conspiracy is false, having been debunked in earlier posts by New Statesman writer and lawyer David Allen Green, and the British lawyer Anya Palmer. The facts show that there is nothing more to the case than Swedish prosecutors trying to get Assange to face justice.

Moore and Stone--SFD and STFU.

87 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:38:35pm

re: #83 researchok

It is impossible to support even moderate Republicans due to the fact they will support their insane party members to keep their RNC funding and support.

88 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:38:44pm

Huckabee mentioned Ethel Waters as justification for carrying a rapist's baby to term when he was interviewing Akin.

Ethel Waters was born in Chester, Pennsylvania on October 31, 1896, as a result of the rape of her teenaged mother, Louise Anderson (believed to have been thirteen years old at the time, although some sources indicate she may have been slightly older) by John Waters, a pianist and family acquaintance from a mixed-race middle-class background, who played no role in raising Ethel.[1] Ethel Waters was raised in poverty and never lived in the same place for more than 15 months. She said of her difficult childhood, "I never was a child. I never was cuddled, or liked, or understood by my family."[2]

I hope she smacks him when he crosses over.

89 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:39:02pm

re: #66 Expand Your Ground

I am fully pro-choice. It is nonethehless not a matter to be taken lightly or placed in the same category as acne or halitosis.

A line worthy of Limbaugh. It's the old "abortion for convenience because it would interfere with her nail appointments" line of nonsense. I know of no woman who had an abortion - and I'm one of them - who didn't fully understand the gravity of that decision.

90 calochortus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:39:39pm

re: #85 kirkspencer

Once the platform is blessed, I will be going through it - as will, I suspect, several other lizards. It'll be interesting to see which of us finds and pages the most jaw-dropping clause.

Thank you for saving me the time and aggravation.

91 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:40:28pm

re: #84 nines09

Hello. You don't know me, but I've been called a rapist, and frankly, I do get a charge out of raping women. But now, thanks to the Wonderful People down at the Republican Headquarters, I've been promoted to "Purveyor Of Gods Great Blessings" if I illegitimately rape you and you become pregnant. Is this a great country or what?
Signed; Cretinous Slime

Heh, good one.

Hello CS,
Please meet me or one of my students. We are trained and equipped to stop your "blessing" just before it happens. It's kind of loud, but just briefly.

92 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:40:51pm

re: #87 Kragar

That's exactly the problem.

I suppose I'll be politically homeless for a while.

93 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:41:08pm

Remember folks, David Barton is an official representative to the GOP Platform Committee. That should tell you everything you need to know about how this is going.

94 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:41:24pm

re: #66 Expand Your Ground

I am fully pro-choice. It is nonethehless not a matter to be taken lightly or placed in the same category as acne or halitosis.

I think there are different degrees of "fully pro-choice". I think suggesting there is any possibility a pregnant woman would take anything about that pregnancy "lightly" reduces the degree of pro-choiceness one holds.

95 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:41:35pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Huckabee mentioned Ethel Waters as justification for carrying a rapist's baby to term when he was interviewing Akin.

I hope she smacks him when he crosses over.

Typical response begins...

You are horribly, miserably uninformed. Please stop writing on topics on which you are incompetent

Assangists remind me of 9/11 truthers. There's no getting through to them.

96 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:41:46pm

re: #87 Kragar

It is impossible to support even moderate Republicans due to the fact they will support their insane party members to keep their RNC funding and support.

Party first!

Seriously, parties are a cancer on our nation all by themselves.

97 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:41:52pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Huckabee mentioned Ethel Waters as justification for carrying a rapist's baby to term when he was interviewing Akin.

I hope she smacks him when he crosses over.

With a bat

98 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:42:31pm

re: #92 researchok

Stay registered GOP. The literature is good for a laugh and you get to waste their funds every time they mail you for support.

99 Mattand  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:42:35pm

re: #85 kirkspencer

Once the platform is blessed, I will be going through it - as will, I suspect, several other lizards. It'll be interesting to see which of us finds and pages the most jaw-dropping clause.

Well, if the Texas GOP platform is any indication, it will be a very tight contest. Kinda like finding the wettest part of the ocean.

100 Eventual Carrion  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:42:42pm

re: #75 calochortus

But parents aren't all powerful when it comes to their children. If I could cut off my right arm to ensure my children's happiness I would do it in a heartbeat. Obviously that wouldn't work. God presumably could make life happy for everyone but doesn't. I don't understand why that would be.

Because god and satan are one in the same. Just goofing with people on earth until something better and more amusing comes along.

101 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:43:01pm

re: #95 Gus

Typical response begins...

Assangists remind me of 9/11 truthers. There's no getting through to them.

Many of them are.

102 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:43:55pm

re: #89 allegro

A line worthy of Limbaugh. It's the old "abortion for convenience because it would interfere with her nail appointments" line of nonsense. I know of no woman who had an abortion - and I'm one of them - who didn't fully understand the gravity of that decision.

I feel like I'm the 'two' in a one-two punch combo today.

103 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:45:31pm

re: #102 wrenchwench

I feel like I'm the 'two' in a one-two punch combo today.

Here, maybe my Page and the update I just added will make you feel better.

104 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:46:01pm

re: #98 Kragar

Stay registered GOP. The literature is good for a laugh and you get to waste their funds every time they mail you for support.

I'm being serious here.

There is a whole swath of voters who have been thrown overboard because of cheap political machinations.

This won't end well for the GOP.

To some extent, though far lesser, the Dems face a similar problem. Most of their support is middle of the road. A big difference however is the current Dem crop doesn't piss on their traditional base the way the GOP has.

105 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:47:02pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

I'm a Sufi myself, of the Naqshibandi Order.

When Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc. go on their frequent attacks against Islam, it genuinely saddens me to see them generalize about the multifaceted aspects of the Islamic faith. Their logical error is similar to saying Tomas de Torquemada is somehow representative of all Catholics, or that Fred Phelps is the singular spokesman for all Baptists everywhere.

While there certainly are Muslims who have a highly intolerant and bigoted view of their faith, likewise there are many others who are genuinely accepting and tolerant of differences in faith, philosophy and theological dogma. I've seen a Sufi meeting in Berlin in which a guest speaker was a Jesuit priest, just as I've seen Protestant Christians and even Buddhists visiting with His Excellency Sheik Muhammad Nazim al-Qubrusi and having a grand old time discussing all sorts of matters.

What I find most ironic, and disturbing, is that much of the so-called "counter jihad" movement is strikingly similar to, and borrows from, Russian and German anti-Semitic concepts of the 19th and 20th Centuries. They've simply replaced "Jews" with "Muslims". Personally, I'm waiting for the supreme act of derpitude, which will be Robert Spencer's breathless announcement that he's discovered an ancient Islamic text detailing our insidious master plan to conquer the world: The Protocols of the Learned Sheikhs of Mecca.

106 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:47:17pm

Yeah, I'm pretty sure this idiot woman was talking about God's having blessed the fetus with life, but the point stands either way.

107 Michael McBacon  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:47:19pm

Patriarchy is a helluva drug.

108 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:49:11pm

re: #103 Interesting Times

Here, maybe my Page and the update I just added will make you feel better.

Sandra's a gem, ain't she? I bet Rush kicks himself frequently for giving her so much publicity.

109 steve_davis  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:50:29pm

re: #1 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I've told this story before, but I was once approached by a woman who was a non-attending member of my faith. She had become pregnant through rape. She did not wish an abortion. She was originally planning on giving the child up for adoption, but was now reconsidering. Did I think, possibly, that since such bad things had been happening in her life (there was more than just the rape), that God might have sent this child as a blessing?

I told her that she would have to decide what to do, that nobody could decide for her, but that I was certain that God would never arrange for anyone to be raped.

Uhm....Lot was raped by his daughters, spawned two different tribes, and was saved from hellfire because he was righteous. Old Testament God=Honey Badger God.

110 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:50:32pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

Sandra's a gem, ain't she? I bet Rush kicks himself frequently for giving her so much publicity.

Oh I seriously doubt Rush can bend that way.

111 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:50:57pm

Rep. Todd Akin’s views typical in southern PCA churches

In Akins’ PCA community, no one blinks an eye at statements like that. Akins’ views are extremely common and typical in the ultra-reformed strain of Southern-Gothic Presbyterianism he inhabits.

Todd Akin was a follower of the late D. James Kennedy. Kennedy, founder of Florida’s Coral Ridge Presbyterian Church, was not a fringe character in American evangelicalism. He was well-known and well-respected — and his views on rape victims were the same as those expressed by Akin.

Todd Akin is a product of Covenant Theological Seminary — that’s where you go if you want to be trained in patriarchal misogyny with a side of disturbing nostalgia for the Old South.

---

Go into any PCA church south of the Mason-Dixon line and you can routinely hear the same arguments Akin made this weekend, stated just as off-handedly as he stated them — casual remarks about what everyone just sort of knows to be true about rape victims, sluts, abortion and lady-parts.

Todd Akin is not unusual. Todd Akin is not alone. The pernicious, ridiculous lies he got in trouble for are widespread and blandly typical in his subculture — in the PCA, the GOP, and throughout the anti-abortion movement that has replaced what used to be evangelical Christianity.

I've inlined the links from the cited article because they really help to paint the picture. This is not an isolated incident, Akin is not a lone-wolf opinion holder.

112 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:51:09pm

re: #93 Kragar

Remember folks, David Barton is an official representative to the GOP Platform Committee. That should tell you everything you need to know about how this is going.

They're actually going to do it, aren't they? They're going to grab their Bibles, wrap themselves in the flag, grasp each other's hands, and scream "Praise the Lord—here we come, Jesus!" as they hurl themselves into the abyss.

They're like suicide bombers blowing up their own party. O_o

113 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:51:20pm

re: #105 Dr Lizardo

They already think that is what the Qur'an is.

114 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:51:47pm

re: #110 Mocking Jay

Oh I seriously doubt Rush can bend that way.

Pays someone to do it?

115 Mocking Jay  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:52:00pm

re: #112 CuriousLurker

They're like suicide bombers blowing up their own party. O_o

Only if they lose, CL. Only if they lose.

116 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:52:02pm

re: #11 Kragar

You would think when their dick's stop working, it would be "God's Will", but instead they make sure health care covers Viagra. Why do the Republicans hate the will of God?

Because, shortly put, making Viagra and its kin covered by insurance and available to white "Christian" males ensure that they can continue to "spread the gospel", if you know what I mean.

Making birth control (and abortion, when it is needed) available to women and covered by insurance is antithetical to the RWNJ "Christian" patriarchy, therefore anathema to them and necessitating all due efforts to stamp it out.

/maybe, maybe not

117 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:52:07pm

found@memebase
A Republican’s Guide to the R Word

118 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:53:52pm

re: #88 wrenchwench

Huckabee mentioned Ethel Waters as justification for carrying a rapist's baby to term when he was interviewing Akin.

I hope she smacks him when he crosses over.

What makes you think he's going to the same place?
/

119 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:54:42pm

I'm assuming #InObamasAmerica is another one of those Twitchy wingnut hashtags, so I just trolled it:

Should I have added a mention of dressage?

120 nines09  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:54:48pm

The old sage was nations fall from within. I see a whole bunch of loons with sledge hammers screaming about God and Liberty and Freedom and not meaning one word.

121 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:55:09pm

re: #104 researchok

A big difference however is the current Dem crop doesn't piss on their traditional base the way the GOP has.

That's because the traditional base of the Dems changed after Reagan humiliated Mondale in 1984. It's no accident that the two Democrats who have been elected POTUS since that debacle are centrists and pragmatists and don't fit the hippie moonbat label that the wingnuts want to tar all Democrats with.

The Democratic party jettisoned the moonbats and hippies and the far left wackos back in the 80's. They've worked hard to move towards the center and to a more moderate positioning overall. The GOP? Not so much. They've just gone further and further to the right without any similar temperance on their part.

122 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:57:55pm

re: #119 Interesting Times

I'm assuming #InObamasAmerica is another one of those Twitchy wingnut hashtags, so I just trolled it:

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Should I have added a mention of dressage?

Prepare for the swarm!

Probably not.

123 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:58:16pm

My first wife, "Jezebel," was a church going woman of the Texas Panhandle Baptist persuasion. When she and my brother "Judas" ran off together and eventually married (as they remain to this day), some of her church lady friends took the line that this was Gawd's judgment on me for being a general infidel and especially for my interest in science ("the wisdom of men"). "Sometimes the Lord has to do something drastic to wake us up," one of them advised with all the condescension and certainty she could muster. I said I was surprised to hear that God was in the business of arranging adulterous liaisons. Just my infidel ignorance of course.

124 nines09  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:59:28pm

re: #123 Shiplord Kirel

Very mysterious,no?

125 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:59:34pm

re: #121 Lidane

That's because the traditional base of the Dems changed after Reagan humiliated Mondale in 1984. It's no accident that the two Democrats who have been elected POTUS since that debacle are centrists and pragmatists and don't fit the hippie moonbat label that the wingnuts want to tar all Democrats with.

The Democratic party jettisoned the moonbats and hippies and the far left wackos back in the 80's. They've worked hard to move towards the center and to a more moderate positioning overall. The GOP? Not so much. They've just gone further and further to the right without any similar temperance on their part.

For the most part I'd say spot on, though I would say there are a lot more influential moonbats than you think. That isn't a bad thing however.

Big tents tents tend to work well.

A lesson the GOP has forgotten.

126 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:00:25pm

re: #119 Interesting Times

Obama's America: Our military kills terrorists
Romney's America: Our military is forced to buy weapons they don't want

127 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:00:29pm

re: #123 Shiplord Kirel

Are you writing a book? Think about it...

128 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:01:36pm

re: #125 researchok

For the most part I'd say spot on, though I would say there are a lot more influential moonbats than you think. That isn't a bad thing however.

I'm curious as to your definition of "moonbat." Care to share?

129 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:01:51pm
130 CuriousLurker  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:01:51pm

Gotta get back to work. BBL

131 Dr Lizardo  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:01:58pm

re: #113 ArchangelMichael

Fair enough, and you're quite right! I've read that line of attack before. When I first read the Qur'an, many, many years ago, it struck me as shockingly similar to the Old Testament in many regards, albeit a bit shorter. Of course, when I pointed that out that little factoid to a Jesus Crispy friend of mine, she became apoplectic. I told her she could just sit down and read it and see for herself, but she declined.

Because, of course, Satan wrote the Qur'an. (facepalm)

On a personal note, I suppose I could be considered not a very good Muslim, because I really don't give a hoot in hell if two men or two women want to marry each other, or if a woman chooses to terminate her pregnancy for a wide variety of reasons; frankly, it's none of my damned business. And I occasionally drink a beer on a hot day and I smoke Marlboro Lights.

132 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:02:38pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

Rep. Todd Akin’s views typical in southern PCA churches

I've inlined the links from the cited article because they really help to paint the picture. This is not an isolated incident, Akin is not a lone-wolf opinion holder.

Don't rape her.

133 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:03:47pm

re: #129 Lidane

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I'd rather pay more for gasoline.

134 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:04:19pm
135 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:04:40pm

re: #128 allegro

ALL conservatives are evil

ALL conservatives are anti science.

ALL conservatives are religious bigots.

The list goes on.

While there are plenty of morons out there, there are a whole lot conservatives who do not ascribe to any of those views.

Awhoe lot.

136 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:04:53pm

re: #129 Lidane

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Well, I'm sure that Willard's moderating influence will come about when he gets into office.

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137 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:05:19pm

re: #119 Interesting Times

I'm assuming #InObamasAmerica is another one of those Twitchy wingnut hashtags, so I just trolled it:


Should I have added a mention of dressage?

#inObamasAmerica

OBL is still dead

138 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:05:24pm

re: #132 Sionainn

Don't rape her.

Ding! Ding! Ding!

139 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:05:26pm

re: #134 Gus

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The GOP Platform Committee now owes me a new monitor.

140 Kragar  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:05:33pm

re: #134 Gus

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"We're Pro-Woman because we said so!"

141 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:06:16pm

re: #134 Gus

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They're pro-woman until she gets herself borned.

142 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:06:21pm

re: #135 researchok

While there are plenty of morons out there, there are a whole lot conservatives who do not ascribe to any of those views.

Problem is, the ones who don't ascribe to those views keep voting for the morons that DO ascribe to them.

143 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:06:37pm

Boom!

144 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:06:50pm

re: #77 Charles Johnson

LGF readers: be aware that the website "FreeWoodPost" is a parody site, but their articles are not clearly labeled as such, and they're not obviously parodies either. I've gotten links to TWO of their articles today that attribute insane quotes to Todd Akin and Mitt Romney. They're fakes.

more insane than opposing the federal school lunch program and this rape crap?

145 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:07:06pm

re: #143 Gus

Boom!

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Day late, dollar short, Willard.

146 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:07:12pm

re: #119 Interesting Times

I'm assuming #InObamasAmerica is another one of those Twitchy wingnut hashtags, so I just trolled it:


Should I have added a mention of dressage?

There's a new anti-Obama book out called Obama's America, or something like it. Like most of this genre, it's written in crayon so it's a bit hard to make out things like titles and words.

147 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:07:52pm

re: #142 Lidane

So?

Dems voted for Carter

148 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:07:53pm

re: #135 researchok

ALL conservatives are evil

ALL conservatives are anti science.

ALL conservatives are religious bigots.

The list goes on.

While there are plenty of morons out there, there are a whole lot conservatives who do not ascribe to any of those views.

Awhoe lot.

How about: "They are ALL more likely to damage the nation's ability to adapt to a changing world."

149 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:07:59pm

re: #143 Gus

Boom!

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LOL Mitt. You might as well ask for your running mate to leave the ticket, since Ryan and Akin have nearly identical views on women, rape, pregnancy, and abortion.

150 ArchangelMichael  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:08:09pm

re: #134 Gus

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151 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:08:16pm

re: #145 Targetpractice

Day late, dollar short, Willard.

152 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:08:20pm
153 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:08:26pm

re: #135 researchok

ALL conservatives are evil

ALL conservatives are anti science.

ALL conservatives are religious bigots.

The list goes on.

While there are plenty of morons out there, there are a whole lot conservatives who do not ascribe to any of those views.

Awhoe lot.

Conservatives who continue to vote GOP, however, are supporting those views, IMO. That's why I have been more careful about saying GOP or Republicans rather than conservatives when talking about those who support the GOP platform that does encode anti-science, religious bigotry, and my definition of evil through donations and votes.

154 Petero1818  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:08:33pm

re: #140 Kragar

"We're Pro-Woman because we said so!"

That's not fair. It is not just because they said so, it is written in the platform. No further debate should be required. God willed it through their pens.

155 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:08:36pm

re: #151 Interesting Times

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Riiiight.

156 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:06pm

re: #151 Interesting Times

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I think we might need walkies-talkies or something.

157 GunstarGreen  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:07pm

re: #68 dragonfire1981

Epicurus, circa 300 BC

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?

158 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:07pm

re: #147 researchok

So?

Dems voted for Carter

Means nothing to me. Carter got elected when I was 3 years old and left when I was 7. The most I remember about him were his sweaters.

159 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:20pm

re: #153 allegro

On that I do not disagree

160 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:25pm

re: #155 Gus

Riiiight.

The tweet did contain the word "echoes", so jinx-posting acceptable ;)

161 Petero1818  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:27pm

re: #143 Gus

Boom!

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I guess the Ryan Pick didn't sit so well with Independents.

162 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:33pm

re: #158 Lidane

LOLOL

163 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:46pm

re: #52 erik_t

The Heisenberg Candidate.

Previous campaigns merely attempted to hold a single position at a time.

re: #54 Kragar

His running mate is locked in a box and we won't know his current positions until it gets opened.

Heisenberg/Schrodinger '12

Funny...whenever I think of Heisenberg, I see this man:
Image: Heisenberg.jpg

;-P

164 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:09:51pm

re: #158 Lidane

Means nothing to me. Carter got elected when I was 3 years old and left when I was 7. The most I remember about him were his sweaters.

That was Mr. Rogers.

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165 funky chicken  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:10:19pm

re: #111 The Ghost of a Flea

Rep. Todd Akin’s views typical in southern PCA churches

I've inlined the links from the cited article because they really help to paint the picture. This is not an isolated incident, Akin is not a lone-wolf opinion holder.

ask catholic bishops if anybody should be allowed to have an abortion, ever. it's not just southern protestants.

166 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:10:31pm

re: #148 Decatur Deb

ALL conservatives????

167 Bulworth  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:10:57pm

re: #143 Gus

Boom!

Cue the village media to say "That Mitt Romney, such a moderate, such a bold, courageous leader, to take on somebody from his own party...."

168 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:10:59pm

re: #164 wrenchwench

They wen't the same???
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169 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:11:35pm

re: #154 Petero1818

That's not fair. It is not just because they said so, it is written in the platform. No further debate should be required. God willed it through their pens.

You forgot an "i" in the last word there.
/

170 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:11:47pm

re: #138 allegro

Ding! Ding! Ding!

I just get so sick and tired of these holier-than-thou men who place all blame on women and want to control women, but never say a damn word about the men who can't control themselves. It pisses me off!

171 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:11:49pm

re: #165 funky chicken

ask catholic bishops if anybody should be allowed to have an abortion, ever. it's not just southern protestants.

The article isn't just about the "having an abortion" aspect of Akin's statement. It's about the casuistry about "real rape versus suspect rape" that inherent to his argument.

172 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:12:02pm

re: #166 researchok

ALL conservatives????

Adaptability to change is sort of the essential difference between conservatives and liberals.

173 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:12:07pm

re: #166 researchok

ALL conservatives????

All who lift a finger to support Republicans in any way. Most who don't lift a finger to defeat them.

174 Targetpractice  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:12:33pm

re: #167 Bulworth

Cue the village media to say "That Mitt Romney, such a moderate, such a bold, courageous leader, to take on somebody from his own party...."

Meanwhile, the evangelicals are gonna blow a fucking gasket.

175 Petero1818  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:12:51pm

This whole thing is just amazing. Leading up to the GOP convention NOBODY is even talking about the economy. GOP is tearing itself apart in front of the public over an issue that has 0 appeal to swing voters. Obama should go on holiday for a few days.

176 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:12:56pm

re: #65 Charles Johnson

When I started realizing that the "counter-jihad" movement was actually a movement of pure hatred, Caroline Glick emailed me and begged me to stop criticizing Geller and Spencer.

She wasn't the only right wing pundit who emailed me about that, either. It was really eye-opening to learn that so many of these people had no problem at all with far right fascists and hate groups, as long as they were anti-Muslim.

They might as well have sold their souls to the devil (theoretically), because the "counter-Jihadists" are just as tainted by continuing down that road.

177 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:12:56pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

Adaptability to change is sort of the essential difference between conservatives and liberals.

178 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:13:35pm

re: #173 wrenchwench

I agree- but that is not all.

179 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:14:11pm

re: #178 researchok

I agree- but that is not all.

CINO !!1!

180 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:14:13pm

re: #147 researchok

So?

Dems voted for Carter

Jimmy Carter wasn't a complete and total loon, not even close.

181 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:14:37pm

re: #67 The Ghost of a Flea

They don't necessarily want women to keep their babies--if you're married and are the right kind of Christian, they're okay with it (but the "right kind" includes an anti-abortion litmus test). The basic model of the "pregnancy crisis center" is to convince single women to give up their children for adoption...not actually adoption, but basically the PCC sells the kid to a "Christian" family whose vetting is entirely based on shared ideology.

What they want is for women to carry kids to term, after which they only care about them if they tow a very narrow line (if at all).

Drafting baby factories for the pious...isn't that just lovely?

182 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:14:49pm

re: #172 Decatur Deb

And that is representative of all conservatives?

183 Lidane  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:15:32pm

This gives Mitt way too much credit:

184 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:15:54pm

re: #182 researchok

And that is representative of all conservatives?

I see it as the definition of conservative. NTTAWWT in a perfectly static world.

185 Gus  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:16:10pm

re: #174 Targetpractice

Meanwhile, the evangelicals are gonna blow a fucking gasket.

Absolutely.

186 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:16:18pm

re: #156 Gus

I think we might need walkies-talkies or something.

I have two cans and some string you can borrow.

187 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:17:15pm

re: #180 Sionainn

Damn close.

It came as a revelation to him the Soviet regime was bad.

Shocking

188 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:17:23pm

re: #73 Expand Your Ground

You mean they are turning women into baby factories for turning out Christian children?

GMTA...

189 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:17:47pm

re: #184 Decatur Deb

That aversion to change is relatively recent.

190 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:18:14pm

re: #163 TedStriker

re: #54 Kragar

Funny...whenever I think of Heisenberg, I see this man:
Image: Heisenberg.jpg

;-P

Me, too. I have no idea who that other dude is.

191 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:18:35pm

re: #182 researchok

And that is representative of all conservatives?

You're spending a whole lot of bandwidth with the No True Scotsman argument.

192 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:19:21pm

re: #187 researchok

Damn close.

It came as a revelation to him the Soviet regime was bad.

Shocking

Probably not. Jimmy Carter spent his Navy career preparing to place SLICBMs on the Soviet Union.

193 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:20:12pm

re: #191 allegro

No, I am not.

To say the religious right is representative of all conservatives is untrue, to say the least.

194 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:22:35pm

re: #191 allegro

You're spending a whole lot of bandwidth with the No True Scotsman argument.

Besides, what you said is how "modern" conservatives define themselves. In Canada, our evil and stupid conservative prime minister is gagging and firing scientists so they can't put out material that contradicts his oily propaganda. All the party is standing by and enabling his horrid behavior. If "modern" conservatives - especially those in a position of power! - want to declare you're not a true conservative unless you reflexively and rabidly reject science, that's how conservatives will come to be seen.

195 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:23:02pm

re: #92 researchok

That's exactly the problem.

I suppose I'll be politically homeless for a while.

Welcome to the cool side of the pillow...

/Billy Dee Williams was and is still smooth

196 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:24:59pm

re: #193 researchok

No, I am not.

To say the religious right is representative of all conservatives is untrue, to say the least.

And yet by the party now being in their control it had to get that way some how. That could only happen through the support of conservatives voting for those platforms in the past 30 years. Suddenly jumping up to decry "Not me!" now after having supported the party all this time is either No True Scotsman or simply disingenuous.

197 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:27:40pm

re: #196 allegro

Actually, that happened because the religious right was organized and the party allowed itself to be hijacked.

Now they shall pay.

198 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:30:22pm

re: #187 researchok

Damn close.

It came as a revelation to him the Soviet regime was bad.

Shocking

Really? Did you get that from Conservapedia?

199 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:33:33pm

re: #198 Sionainn

Really? Did you get that from Conservapedia?

At the very top of the Conservapedia site was this gem:

Conservative Todd Akin stands up to media bullies and humiliates them in front of the world.
Akin announces he's not pulling out of the race: [1]
Run along, liberals, to another playground to look for someone weaker to pick on.

Bwahahahaha.

200 CarolJ  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:35:46pm

re: #180 SionainnCarter was considered too conservative for the Dems of his day. That's why Ted Kennedy primaried him-Carter was the first to send weapons to Afghanistan, was openly Evangelical, and began deregulation of certain industires like the airlines.

We Dems need to stop joining in the demonization of Carter. He was more competent than we give him credit for. His greatest fault was that he cared perhaps to the detriment of his political skills.

201 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:35:48pm

re: #198 Sionainn

[Link: news.google.com...]

202 allegro  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:37:46pm

re: #197 researchok

Actually, that happened because the religious right was organized and the party allowed itself to be hijacked.

Now they shall pay.

Nice passive voice. It could not have happened without the active support of conservative voters. None of this stuff has been a secret for the past couple of decades at least. If ALL conservatives now find themselves painted with that brush, it is a justifiable position. Though, as I said, I do try to be careful not to do so considering the number of low-info voters who automatically vote tribal rather than reason.

203 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:41:44pm

re: #198 Sionainn

Really? Did you get that from Conservapedia?

re: #201 researchok

[Link: news.google.com...]

That's doesn't appear to back up your assertion that "It came as a revelation to him the Soviet regime was bad."

After I made the comment about Conservapedia, I thought I'd actually check out what they had to say about Carter and the Soviets. Even they didn't think that he was surprised that the "Soviet regimen was bad."

In his inaugural speech he stated that "our commitment to human rights must be absolute." He singled out the Soviet Union as a violator of human rights and strongly condemned the country for arresting its citizens for political protests.

Your text to link...

204 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:45:17pm

re: #203 Sionainn

Yes, it does.

Carter was shocked that Brezhnev would lie to him.

He was later surprised to learn Hamas lied to him about recognizing Israel.

And about their calls to genocide.

As a rule, leaders of oppressive regimes lie on a regular basis.

Had it not been for Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan would not have been elected twice- by a landslide each time.

205 researchok  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 1:48:36pm

Carter on Brezhnev

"I can't believe he lied to me."

206 Sionainn  Tue, Aug 21, 2012 2:13:25pm

re: #204 researchok

Yes, it does.

Carter was shocked that Brezhnev would lie to him.

He was later surprised to learn Hamas lied to him about recognizing Israel.

And about their calls to genocide.

As a rule, leaders of oppressive regimes lie on a regular basis.

Had it not been for Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan would not have been elected twice- by a landslide each time.

I guess I see it differently. Being shocked that someone lied to you is different than not understanding/comprehending a bad regime.


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