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Bill Nye: Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children

“If you want to deny evolution, fine … but don’t make your kids do it.”
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Three cheers for Bill Nye, the Science Guy, who has a video out for BigThink.com titled, “Creationism Is Not Appropriate for Children.”

Denial of evolution is unique to the United States. I mean, we’re the world’s most advanced technological—I mean, you could say Japan—but generally, the United States is where most of the innovations still happens. People still move to the United States. And that’s largely because of the intellectual capital we have, the general understanding of science. When you have a portion of the population that doesn’t believe in that, it holds everybody back, really.

Evolution is the fundamental idea in all of life science, in all of biology. It’s like, it’s very much analogous to trying to do geology without believing in tectonic plates. You’re just not going to get the right answer. Your whole world is just going to be a mystery instead of an exciting place.

As my old professor, Carl Sagan, said, “When you’re in love you want to tell the world.” So, once in a while I get people that really—or that claim—they don’t believe in evolution. And my response generally is “Well, why not? Really, why not?” Your world just becomes fantastically complicated when you don’t believe in evolution. I mean, here are these ancient dinosaur bones or fossils, here is radioactivity, here are distant stars that are just like our star but they’re at a different point in their lifecycle. The idea of deep time, of this billions of years, explains so much of the world around us. If you try to ignore that, your world view just becomes crazy, just untenable, itself inconsistent.

And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine, but don’t make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can—we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

It’s just really hard a thing, it’s really a hard thing. You know, in another couple of centuries that world view, I’m sure, will be, it just won’t exist. There’s no evidence for it.

Directed / Produced by
Elizabeth Rodd and Jonathan Fowler

(h/t: BoingBoing.)

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791 comments

1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:10:12pm

Amen.

2 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:10:58pm
Denial of evolution is unique to the United States.

As far as nations normally listed as "highly developed" - yes, the US is unique as being strongly creationist.

However, there are many places in the world where creationism of one sort or another is believed. In that sense the US is not unique. However, many of these nations would not be considered highly developed.

3 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:11:16pm

Kudos for getting that done without disrespecting our religions. Well done Bill.

4 kirkspencer  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:12:51pm

upding. +1. /salute. and all the rest.

5 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:15:15pm
And I say to the grownups, if you want to deny evolution and live in your world, in your world that’s completely inconsistent with everything we observe in the universe, that’s fine, but don’t make your kids do it because we need them. We need scientifically literate voters and taxpayers for the future. We need people that can—we need engineers that can build stuff, solve problems.

He may not be disrespecting religion, but he's definitely not cutting it any slack.

6 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:15:26pm

Lucky guy to have had Mr. Sagan as a professor.

7 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:18:28pm

Heh...gotta run but wanted to share this...The Early Ayn Rand

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8 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:20:24pm

The Right has so much power that they can get away with teaching creationism as a fact in certain school districts. I understand teaching creationism in religious schools, but I don't understand how that can fly in a public school where you have all kinds of religious/non-religious kids.

9 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:25:02pm

On the heels of the convention, let's review. The convention will feature:

• A tribute to Ron Paul.
• A gold standard.
• An anti-vaxxer (at least well known).
• Audit the Fed!
• Agenda 21 conspiracy.
• Seven birthers.

Does this sound familiar? It should since it's a reflection of Infowars and Prisonplanet. This is the new GOP. There's more to add but these have the most Alex Jones like flavor to it.

10 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:25:46pm

Republican Women for Obama

Good video.

11 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:29:33pm

Well. What's the word on Akin?

12 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:30:04pm

re: #11 Gus

Well. What's the word on Akin?

My knee is!!

13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:30:06pm

re: #11 Gus

he's in it to win it.

14 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:30:26pm

re: #13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

he's in it to win it.

Praise Jesus!

15 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:32:19pm

Evolution doesn't need anyone to believe in it any more than the oceans need people to believe their wet or a fire needs you to believe its hot. Either you realize it exists or you're a moron. Its as simple as that.

16 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:32:33pm

re: #5 Mattand

He may not be disrespecting religion, but he's definitely not cutting it any slack.

Nor should he. Hey the Pope acknowledged evolution, most Jewish people (so I have been assured) are taught not to take Genesis literally. Religion has to bow to scientific evidence and science needs to respect faith in higher powers.

17 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:33:11pm

re: #9 Gus

Whaa?? No seeds???

18 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:35:41pm

I need non-GMO seeds for my victory garden whilst I generate my own colloidal silver.

19 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:35:44pm

re: #17 Amory Blaine

Whaa?? No seeds???

None that I saw.

20 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:36:33pm
21 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:37:47pm

re: #20 Gus

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FLUORIDE IN THE WATER! BLACK CIA HELICOPTERS! EPA DRONES! HERP DE DERP!

22 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:39:39pm

re: #12 sattv4u2

My knee is!!

So that's it. Akin IS the knee jerk.

23 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:40:06pm

Charles,
Any issues with The Brad Blog for Paging an article on an instance of voter fraud by a Republican? I only met this guy through my coverage of OLA. Seems okay.

24 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:40:12pm

re: #22 Daniel Ballard

So that's it. Akin IS the knee jerk.

Or a JerkY

25 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:40:26pm

re: #21 Kragar

FLUORIDE IN THE WATER! BLACK CIA HELICOPTERS! EPA DRONES! HERP DE DERP!

Whew. It's a mad, mad world.

26 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:41:34pm

They even have black helicopters at the ready for the RNC. Drones! Eleventy!

27 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:42:38pm

re: #16 Daniel Ballard

Religion has to bow to scientific evidence and science needs to respect faith in higher powers.

I'm not sure either part of that sentence is true. Religion, or religious people, don't have to bow to scientific evidence, they can operate contrary to what science would recommend. And science cannot respect faith in higher powers without scientific evidence, but scientists should respect people of faith for sure.

I don't know whether this is just a semantic nit pick or a difference of beliefs.

28 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:42:57pm

re: #25 Gus

Whew. It's a mad, mad world.

29 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:43:04pm

re: #21 Kragar

FLUORIDE IN THE WATER! BLACK CIA HELICOPTERS! EPA DRONES! HERP DE DERP!

We must protect our precious bodily fluids!

//

30 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:44:11pm

re: #23 Daniel Ballard

Not a problem.

31 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:44:39pm

And then I got this rotating aphorism when I pulled up a front page:

Science tyrants are pressing misery on are brows!

32 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:44:52pm

re: #25 Gus

Whew. It's a mad, mad world.

Helluva cast in that movie

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33 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:47:14pm

re: #20 Gus

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He sure told you...
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34 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:48:34pm

re: #33 makeitstop

He sure told you...
///

The JBS is back.

35 God of Binders with Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:50:47pm

I find it so frustrating that you get 20,000 scientists that all agree that rising levels of CO2 is causing a gradual warming of the planet, presenting overwhelming evidence in support of their position, and these religious, zealot throwbacks scream to the heavens that it's a lie. These are the same people that can not present a shred of evidence that a higher being exists, but believe it anyway.

36 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:51:56pm

re: #33 makeitstop

He sure told you...
///

37 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:52:23pm

re: #36 Gus

Is he selling Ameros?

38 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:52:54pm

re: #16 Daniel Ballard

Nor should he. Hey the Pope acknowledged evolution, most Jewish people (so I have been assured) are taught not to take Genesis literally. Religion has to bow to scientific evidence and science needs to respect faith in higher powers.

Eh, I'm not really on board with the respect in higher faith part. At best, science ignores faith since it's not based on anything testable or falsifiable. Faith in higher powers, the afterlife, etc., is useless as far scientific inquiry goes.

39 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:53:23pm

re: #36 Gus

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You sure told him! :)

40 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:53:37pm
Looks like another who needs to read the facts on #Agenda21.

READ, People!

41 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:56:20pm

re: #40 jaunte

READ, People!

I simply can't take seriously anyone who uses "diabolical plan" and means it.

42 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:56:25pm

re: #36 Gus

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You linked him to Charlie Pierce? That poor bastard.

/

43 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:56:59pm

re: #42 Targetpractice

You linked him to Charlie Pierce? That poor bastard.

/

Like my hashtags?

44 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:57:45pm

re: #43 Gus

Like my hashtags?

I dunno

bend over so I can get a better look!

45 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:58:13pm

That guy is from America Under Siege, Wisconsin.

Sounds like a nice place.

46 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:58:48pm

re: #43 Gus

Like my hashtags?

Very nice.

47 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:58:49pm

re: #45 dragonath

I wonder what a basement packed with cheese looks like.

48 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:59:01pm

Nye's the man.

49 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 3:59:56pm

re: #45 dragonath

That guy is from America Under Siege, Wisconsin.

Sounds like a nice place.

He's a nut.

50 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:01:01pm

Knee jerk!!

51 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:01:09pm

re: #38 Mattand

Eh, I'm not really on board with the respect in higher faith part. At best, science ignores faith since it's not based on anything testable or falsifiable. Faith in higher powers, the afterlife, etc., is useless as far scientific inquiry goes.

It should ignore faith, along with culinary aesthetics, fashion, internet memes any number of things that we simply decide on as individuals. These are not things science ( in this instance physical sciences)are well equipped to evaluate.

Darn it gotta run and make some money. Work is funny that way.

BBL

52 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:03:28pm

re: #50 Gus

You should have said "Lighten up Francis".

53 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:03:48pm

He's on a roll!

54 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:03:50pm

re: #49 Gus

He's a nut.

55 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:04:23pm

Goldbuggery Arrives On The GOP’s National Platform

"...Unfortunately for the GOP, there are huge policy problems with a gold standard. As Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke pointed out, there isn’t enough gold to back the supply of money the economy actually needs. Worse, a gold standard would shackle monetary policy’s ability to respond to economic downturns. Interest rates could not be lowered to combat recessions or high unemployment. Instead, they would be driven by the price fluctuations of the gold supply, regardless of the needs of the broader economy."

56 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:05:32pm

re: #55 jaunte

Goldbuggery Arrives On The GOP’s National Platform

Well Ron Paul is happy knowing that his nuttery has gone straight into the GOP platform.

57 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:05:59pm

Maybe all our money can be gold plated, so we can call it the new gilded age?

58 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:06:43pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Talk about something that's "set to destroy American sovereignty and prosperity."

59 miclaine  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:07:01pm

yay yay yay!

60 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:07:38pm

I surely don't care for foolish jokes about global imperialism set to destroy American sovereignty and prosperity.

FTFH

61 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:09:14pm

Wow - Apple just won more than a billion bucks from Samsung in their patent lawsuit.

62 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:11:10pm

re: #53 Gus

He's on a roll!

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Because a set of 20 year old non-binding resolutions about conserving farm land and other resources that have barely been given a second glance since 1992 are global imperialism destined to destroy American sovereignty and prosperity.

63 miclaine  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:11:24pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Relative peanuts ..... to Apple.

64 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:11:31pm

OK. He has a sense of humor.

65 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:12:42pm

re: #64 Gus

I guess UFOs are next on the agenda for the GOP.

66 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:12:57pm

Here's what set him off. He came to me so... I try to play nice with folks.

67 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:13:09pm
68 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:13:17pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Wow - Apple just won more than a billion bucks from Samsung in their patent lawsuit.

Less than half of what Apple had demanded

69 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:13:18pm

re: #65 ArchangelMichael

I guess UFOs are next on the agenda for the GOP.

See #66. ;)

70 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:13:33pm

re: #51 Daniel Ballard

It should ignore faith, along with culinary aesthetics, fashion, internet memes any number of things that we simply decide on as individuals. These are not things science ( in this instance physical sciences)are well equipped to evaluate.

I'm not quite getting your point. Science, "physical" or otherwise, doesn't need to care about or respect religion.

71 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:15:20pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Wow - Apple just won more than a billion bucks from Samsung in their patent lawsuit.

LOL, because Apple is really strapped for cash right now.

72 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:15:30pm
73 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:17:28pm

re: #71 Mattand

LOL, because Apple is really strapped for cash right now.

Apple won't be seeing the money for quite some time
Samsung is expected to file an appeal.
[Link: www.latimes.com...]

That stated, patent-infringement is a very serious issue especially in this age of high tech

74 erik_t  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:26:06pm

re: #1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Amen.

How about QED?

/

75 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:26:59pm
76 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:28:33pm

re: #74 erik_t

How about QED?

/

How about the QE 2?!?!
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/

77 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:29:31pm

re: #61 Charles Johnson

Wow - Apple just won more than a billion bucks from Samsung in their patent lawsuit.

78 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:29:48pm

re: #70 Mattand

I'm not quite getting your point. Science, "physical" or otherwise, doesn't need to care about or respect religion.

Gould's NOMA concept makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course, you have people who insist that 'science' is the only valid magisterium, and others who insist 'religion' is, and these two groups tend to simply reject the whole idea out of hand, and in fact, find it deeply irritating.

79 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:37:41pm

What's funny is that the phones the jury ruled against, the first series of the Galaxy S, were all flimsy plastic pieces of crap. I had a vibrant for three weeks before returning it for something sturdier.

Never confused the thing for an iPhone, lemme tell you...

80 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:38:49pm

re: #55 jaunte

Goldbuggery Arrives On The GOP’s National Platform

Economic illiteracy for everyone! Eleventy!

Have they added Agenda 21, anti-vax and raw milk to the GOP platform yet?

81 allegro  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:40:04pm

re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist

Gould's NOMA concept makes a great deal of sense to me. Of course, you have people who insist that 'science' is the only valid magisterium, and others who insist 'religion' is, and these two groups tend to simply reject the whole idea out of hand, and in fact, find it deeply irritating.

NOMA does make a lot of sense. There's your table, here's ours. You stay there, we'll stay here, 'k? Except the religious magisterium won't stay at their table, insisting on seats at the scientific table. So it's a nice idea in theory, but in reality it isn't working out well at all.

82 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:41:57pm

GOLD!

(from wiki)

Panic of 1837

The end of the Second Bank of the United States had produced a period of runaway inflation, but on May 10, 1837 in New York City, every bank began to accept payment only in specie (gold and silver coinage), forcing a dramatic, deflationary backlash.

Panic of 1857

In Britain, the Palmerston government circumvented the requirements of the Peel Banking Act of 1844 which required gold and silver reserves to back up the amount of money in circulation. This circumvention set off the Panic in Britain.[2] Beginning in September 1857, the financial downturn did not last long; however, a proper recovery was not seen until the American Civil War.[3]

Black Friday (1869)

Black Friday, September 24, 1869 also known as the Fisk/Gould scandal, was caused by two speculators’ efforts to corner the gold market on the New York Gold Exchange. It was one of several scandals that rocked the presidency of Ulysses S. Grant.

Panic of 1873

The depression was known as the "Great Depression" until the 1930s, but is sometimes now known as the Long Depression.[1] The panic was caused by the fall in demand for silver internationally, which followed Germany's decision to abandon the silver standard in the wake of the Franco-Prussian war.[2]
In 1871, Otto von Bismarck extracted a large indemnity in gold from France and ceased minting silver thaler coins.

Panic of 1884

Gold reserves of Europe were depleted and the New York City national banks, with tacit approval of the United States Treasury Department, halted investments in the rest of the United States and called in outstanding loans.

Panic of 1893

Gold reserves of Europe were depleted and the New York City national banks, with tacit approval of the United States Treasury Department, halted investments in the rest of the United States and called in outstanding loans.

Panic of 1896

The Panic of 1896 was an acute economic depression in the United States that was less serious than other panics of the era precipitated by a drop in silver reserves and market concerns on the effects it would have on the gold standard. Deflation of commodities prices drove the stock market to new lows in a trend that began to reverse only after the 1896 election of William McKinley.

83 ArchangelMichael  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:43:27pm

re: #80 Lidane

Economic illiteracy for everyone! Eleventy!

Have they added Agenda 21, anti-vax and raw milk to the GOP platform yet?

In the section right after Majestic-12 and the Bilderberg Group but before fluoridation and chem-trails.

85 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:45:39pm
86 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:47:13pm

Interestingly enough, the German Deutschmark coins 5 DM and above were either part or whole silver until the advent of the Euro.

Bernanke is a Republican, but I wonder what he must be thinking right about now.

87 makeitstop  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:50:15pm

re: #84 Lidane

On that note:

Romney Defends Birther Line: ‘The Crowd Loved It’

My God, he's a douche. And a clueless one, at that.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:51:52pm

re: #81 allegro

NOMA does make a lot of sense. There's your table, here's ours. You stay there, we'll stay here, 'k? Except the religious magisterium won't stay at their table, insisting on seats at the scientific table. So it's a nice idea in theory, but in reality it isn't working out well at all.

I would say that NOMA's intention is not that people sit at different tables. It doesn't visualize 'science people' and 'religion people', but identifies different uses for the two. (Gould was himself agnostic, and IIUC, would have identified things like ethics as being part of the 'religious' magisterium. It's not strictly a matter of deism or mysticism.) I'd also argue that it actually works beautifully in practice. Most people are able to allow their spiritual beliefs and their scientific knowledge (or, their awareness of other people's scientific knowledge and know-how) to coexist, meet different needs, and not trample one another. The people who can't abide by that get all of the attention because they're loud and litigious and fanatical. I'm pretty sure the guy who goes to the Methodist church on Sundays, and then helps his kid do his project on dinosaurs is more normative than the creationism screamers, he's just not making any headlines.

What makes these people dangerous is that they want to upset what is actually a well-accepted way of keeping these things sorted out, to bad purpose.

89 allegro  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:52:35pm

re: #84 Lidane

On that note:

Romney Defends Birther Line: ‘The Crowd Loved It’

He's like a little kid delighted that the grown-ups laughed at his poopie joke.

90 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:52:39pm

re: #86 dragonath

Interestingly enough, the German Deutschmark coins 5 DM and above were either part or whole silver until the advent of the Euro.

Bernanke is a Republican, but I wonder what he must be thinking right about now.

Bernanke's not just a Republican. He's also an academic who has written a great deal about the causes of the Great Depression. He's highly critical of the gold standard and has been on record saying that it doesn't solve anything and in fact causes more problems than it solves.

91 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:55:26pm

Bernanke on the gold standard douchebaggery:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

“Unfortunately gold standards are far from perfect monetary systems,” he told the class of 30 undergraduates at George Washington University.

Tying the supply of money to the supply of a precious metal limits a government’s ability to address economic problems, Mr. Bernanke explained.

Adopting the gold standard, he said, “means swearing that no matter how bad unemployment gets you are not going to do anything about it.”

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:57:32pm

re: #91 Lidane

Bernanke on the gold standard douchebaggery:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

It's nice and clear, but not as dramatic as "If they dare to come out in the open field and defend the gold standard as a good thing, we shall fight them to the uttermost, having behind us the producing masses of the nation and the world. Having behind us the commercial interests and the laboring interests and all the toiling masses, we shall answer their demands for a gold standard by saying to them, you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold."

93 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:58:05pm

re: #56 HappyWarrior

Well Ron Paul is happy knowing that his nuttery has gone straight into the GOP platform.

That's what he was working for all along. He knew he wouldn't get the nomination. He's just gradually made his ideas, which were on the fringe, mainstream GOP orthodoxy (except on defense and foreign policy), and is looking to hand his mantle over to Rand for 2016.

94 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 4:59:22pm

re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but I don't think Bernanke has the same personality that William Jennings Bryan had. Heh.

95 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:01:54pm

Heh:

96 Amory Blaine  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:01:57pm

Mitt Romney presidential campaign bars reporter from covering campaign event (AUDIO)

Earlier today Republican U.S. Senator Ron Johnson made an appearance at the Monona Terrace in Madison to tout Republican president nominee Mitt Romney’s plan to strengthen the middle-class. Despite the event being open to the press, WTDY News reporter Dylan Brogan was barred from the event and escorted from the building by Madison Police.

Brogan was barred from the event by a Romney campaign staffer, who told Brogan she was acting on the orders of Ben Sparks, Romney’s Wisconsin Communication Director.

Once Sparks arrived, Brogan was told that was not allowed to cover the event with Sen. Johnson because WTDY morning talk show host Sly in the Morning protested a previous campaign event for Mitt Romney in Janesville.

“He reflects poorly on you, you work for that organization, and you suffer the consequences,” Sparks said. “That’s how it’s going to work. Now we’re not going to discuss this anymore. You cannot cover the event.”

Sparks went on to say that Brogan was “guilty by association.”

When Brogan asked if he could wait outside the room where Johnson was speaking, he was told by a Madison Police officer and a staffer from Monona Terrace to leave the building.

“I can physically take you out, if that’s what you want,” the officer told him.

97 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:03:27pm

re: #94 Lidane

True, but I don't think Bernanke has the same personality that William Jennings Bryan had. Heh.

Shame that Bryan is primarily remembered for the Scopes Monkey Trial. He was very progressive in his day.

98 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:05:47pm

Commodities basket standard!
...
Good evening.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:06:38pm

re: #94 Lidane

True, but I don't think Bernanke has the same personality that William Jennings Bryan had. Heh.

Nor farmers needing the monetary expansion of cheap silver.

I have a nice 1880 Morgan silver dollar that I keep in my pocket as a reminder of the beautiful foolishness of specie money.

100 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:09:09pm

re: #91 Lidane

Bernanke on the gold standard douchebaggery:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

What so many people fail to appreciate is that monetary wealth or money supply has never been a conserved quantity of "stuff" --such as a precious metal or mineral. It's more of a process --a mere convention, or abstraction. We use it because it's sooo superior to barter --direct exchange of goods and/or services.

102 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:13:28pm

Creationism Is Not Appropriate for

it's always advisable to grow up before becoming that stupid...

103 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:17:53pm
105 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:20:47pm

Spastic Tubes

106 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:21:33pm

re: #103 Varek Raith

Gotta love the Onion.

Nation Celebrates Full Week Without Deadly Mass Shooting
UPDATE: Never Mind

I saw that earlier. Freaking classic.

108 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:27:07pm
109 Decatur Deb  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:29:39pm

We raise our second Habitat house of the year tomorrow. Six hours of hammer noise and no political noise. Early 'nite, all.

110 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:37:26pm

Hey Darth, you here? Got a good, simple bruschetta recipe? :)

111 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:41:01pm

re: #110 Stanley Sea

Hey Darth, you here? Got a good, simple bruschetta recipe? :)

What do you have in your cupboard? Just about anything will work. Throw a little onion, garlic, olive oil, and herbs in a blender and make a paste, then chop a couple of olives and crumble some feta into it and spread on the bread. Or chop a tomato, garlic and onion, saute a few minutes in oil and use that.

112 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:41:46pm

re: #111 darthstar

What do you have in your cupboard? Just about anything will work. Throw a little onion, garlic, olive oil, and herbs in a blender and make a paste, then chop a couple of olives and crumble some feta into it and spread on the bread. Or chop a tomato, garlic and onion, saute a few minutes in oil and use that.

A few drops of basalmicbalsamic in the tomato version and you're golden.

113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:42:52pm

re: #111 darthstar

What do you have in your cupboard? Just about anything will work. Throw a little onion, garlic, olive oil, and herbs in a blender and make a paste, then chop a couple of olives and crumble some feta into it and spread on the bread. Or chop a tomato, garlic and onion, saute a few minutes in oil and use that.

Yep, got all that available. Simple. Thanks

114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:48:46pm
115 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:51:24pm

I saw that he died, but didn't realize he was THE COUNT. RIP Jerry Nelson.

116 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:51:46pm

Don't bogart that blog.

117 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:52:58pm

The Count gets a job.

118 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 5:57:34pm

Later, lizards.

I guess you're on hatchling duty, Stanley. :)

119 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:00:05pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Later, lizards.

I guess you're on hatchling duty, Stanley. :)

Smooch! So glad you saw that!!

120 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:00:23pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

Oh, and LOL the link.

121 BongCrodny  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:01:00pm

re: #115 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

I saw that he died, but didn't realize he was THE COUNT. RIP Jerry Nelson.

I understand they're going to bury him one foot! two feet! three feet! four feet! five feet! six feet! under.

122 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:02:39pm

Check out this video of Mitt.

123 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:05:21pm

re: #64 Gus

OK. He has a sense of humor.

[Embedded content]

"Arlen" is a dick.

124 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:06:07pm
125 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:07:14pm

re: #111 darthstar

What do you have in your cupboard? Just about anything will work. Throw a little onion, garlic, olive oil, and herbs in a blender and make a paste, then chop a couple of olives and crumble some feta into it and spread on the bread. Or chop a tomato, garlic and onion, saute a few minutes in oil and use that.

It's been a long day. Thats alotta work

Can't we just order take out!?!?

/

126 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:10:14pm

re: #125 sattv4u2

It's been a long day. Thats alotta work

Can't we just order take out!?!?

/

You didn't bake that!

127 dragonath  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:12:39pm

Whoa, thanks to CuriousLurker, I now know there's something called the Republican Oath! I found it hidden in the New Mexico platform which reads like a bad history lesson.

I believe that the proper function of government is to do for the people those things that have to be done but cannot be done, or cannot be done as well by individuals, and that the most effective government is government closest to the people.
I believe that good government is based on the individual and that each person's ability, dignity, freedom and responsibility must be honored and recognized.
I believe that free enterprise and the encouragement of individual initiative and incentive have given this nation an economic system second to none.
I believe that sound money policy should be our goal.
I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.
I believe we must retain those principles worth retaining, yet always be receptive to new ideas with an outlook broad enough to accommodate thoughtful change and varying points of view.
I believe that Americans value and should preserve their feeling of national strength and pride, and at the same time share with people everywhere a desire for peace and freedom and the extension of human rights throughout the world.
Finally, I believe that the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.

128 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:13:31pm
129 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:13:48pm

re: #127 dragonath

Whoa, thanks to Curiouslurker, I now know there's something called the Republican Oath! I found it hidden in the New Mexico platform which reads like a bad history lesson.

Simplified oath;

Da Derp Dee Derp Da Teetley Derpee Derpee Dumb

130 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:14:03pm

re: #127 dragonath

I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well

Those Bastards!!!

/

131 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:15:10pm

re: #130 sattv4u2


I believe in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin. I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well

Those Bastards!!!

/

Unless they are gay.
Or Muslim.
Or a woman.
Yep...

132 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:16:18pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

Unless they are gay.
Or Muslim.
Or a woman.
Yep...

Yup,, because it says it,, right ,, umm,,,, somewhere!

(or not)
regardless of race, creed, age, sex or national origin

133 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:17:34pm

re: #96 Amory Blaine

Mitt Romney presidential campaign bars reporter from covering campaign event (AUDIO)

Earlier today Republican U.S. Senator Ron Johnson made an appearance at the Monona Terrace in Madison to tout Republican president nominee Mitt Romney’s plan to strengthen the middle-class. Despite the event being open to the press, WTDY News reporter Dylan Brogan was barred from the event and escorted from the building by Madison Police.

Brogan was barred from the event by a Romney campaign staffer, who told Brogan she was acting on the orders of Ben Sparks, Romney’s Wisconsin Communication Director.

Once Sparks arrived, Brogan was told that was not allowed to cover the event with Sen. Johnson because WTDY morning talk show host Sly in the Morning protested a previous campaign event for Mitt Romney in Janesville.

“He reflects poorly on you, you work for that organization, and you suffer the consequences,” Sparks said. “That’s how it’s going to work. Now we’re not going to discuss this anymore. You cannot cover the event.”

Sparks went on to say that Brogan was “guilty by association.”

When Brogan asked if he could wait outside the room where Johnson was speaking, he was told by a Madison Police officer and a staffer from Monona Terrace to leave the building.

“I can physically take you out, if that’s what you want,” the officer told him.

The reporter should have made them, but that's me.

134 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:20:37pm
135 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:21:03pm

Here's the video of Romney in question:

It looks like a real recording.

136 Renaissance_Man  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:22:33pm

re: #127 dragonath

Whoa, thanks to CuriousLurker, I now know there's something called the Republican Oath! I found it hidden in the New Mexico platform which reads like a bad history lesson.

Actually, all of those statements are wonderful ideals. They're mostly motherhood statements, but still great sentiments.

The problem is the last paragraph, because you really have to 'believe' that against all actual evidence, since the actions of the Republican Party and their written platforms are in direct opposition to almost all those ideals.

137 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:26:12pm

Apparently Rachel Maddow says it's not her YouTube account, which is a problem, of course, since the account name is "Rachel Maddow."

138 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:26:41pm

re: #134 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Huckabee is insane and seemingly becoming MORE insane all the time. He also seems to have the same point of view as Todd Akin on the topic of lady parts...yet he is giving a prime time address at the RNC while Akin is persona non grata. Furthermore, he appears to have regained at least half of the weight he lost.

But I do wish him a happy birthday.

139 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:26:44pm

re: #125 sattv4u2

It's been a long day. Thats alotta work

Can't we just order take out!?!?

/

HELL NO.

140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:27:47pm

re: #128 Gus

[Embedded content]

Chippendales yesterday, GOP convention today. gah

141 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:29:06pm

Hey Paul...I don't think Lizz is trying to be funny here.

142 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:30:45pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Here's the video of Romney in question:

[Embedded content]

It looks like a real recording.

It's him. He said that.

143 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:32:17pm

re: #142 Stanley Sea

It's him. He said that.

Yeah, but there's some funny business going on. I don't trust this one.

144 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:32:25pm

re: #140 Stanley Sea

Chippendales yesterday, GOP convention today. gah

Those eyes look a little close. Whew. That outfit and post. Bleh. Welcome to Branson!

145 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:32:50pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Yep, questionable source, but it is Mitt, and he is speaking those words...

Crooks & Liars disclaimer for those who didn't click...

[Note: The video above was uploaded to a fake YouTube account earlier today and we're unable to authenticate it. However, there's no doubt that it is Mitt Romney speaking, nor what he says. For that reason, we're publishing it with the caveat that we cannot identify the source.]

146 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:32:53pm
147 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:34:35pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but there's some funny business going on. I don't trust this one.

It has too many layers.

148 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:34:35pm

re: #127 dragonath

I believe that persons with disabilities should be afforded equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity as well.

"But just because they're disabled vets doesn't mean they can't get a hold of their bootstraps, I mean we can't just hand out money to every freeloader, I don't think we need to worry about just a little cut in those benefits..."

149 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:34:48pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but there's some funny business going on. I don't trust this one.

He does say the factory "we just bought." So the defense argument would be "hey we just got here." Was thinking that while watching it.

150 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:35:01pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but there's some funny business going on. I don't trust this one.

Voice impersonator? My mind is not reaching to it's not him.

151 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:35:38pm

re: #137 Charles Johnson

Apparently Rachel Maddow says it's not her YouTube account, which is a problem, of course, since the account name is "Rachel Maddow."

From [Link: www.youtube.com...]
by Rachel Maddow
Latest Activity Aug 24, 2012
Date Joined Aug 24, 2012
Age 39

Just that one video.

152 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:35:52pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea

Voice impersonator? My mind is not reaching to it's not him.

Edited video, the technogeek's version of quote mining.

153 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:37:20pm

re: #149 Gus

He does say the factory "we just bought." So the defense argument would be "hey we just got here." Was thinking that while watching it.

He also sounded shocked and unbelieving at the conditions. What would be informative/ useful is to see what (if any) changes were made to that particular factory in the months after Bain bought it

154 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:38:02pm

I guess this is where we get thinking. So, the source sucks, but the info is legit? I go back to Drudge and the blue dress/Linda Tripp.

Not sure how to process this, because I definitely fall into the source is absolutely important. But if it's real? I think the majority of bullshit sourced stuff has been proven to be bunk, or not proven to be true....

brain pretzel here.

155 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:39:00pm

re: #150 Stanley Sea

Voice impersonator? My mind is not reaching to it's not him.

Remember how the Breitbart video of Shirley Sherrod included all the incriminating-sounding stuff, but stopped right before she told the rest of the story?

That's one way to fake a video, and it's not always immediately obvious.

I don't like that someone posted this with Maddow's name without her permission - that crosses a big red line for me and makes me suspicious that there are ulterior motives at work.

156 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:39:21pm

re: #152 b_sharp

Edited video, the technogeek's version of quote mining.

Words from previous recordings, spliced together? Are we that good with this shit now?

157 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:40:18pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

Remember how the Breitbart video of Shirley Sherrod included all the incriminating-sounding stuff, but stopped right before she told the rest of the story?

That's one way to fake a video, and it's not always immediately obvious.

I don't like that someone posted this with Maddow's name without her permission - that crosses a big red line for me and makes me suspicious that there are ulterior motives at work.

Yah, gotcha. It fits the narrative, so we go with it. Just like Sherrod did. Thanks.

159 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:41:22pm

ZOMG you dumb libtards! Mitt Romney's birther line was SATIRE! Can't you take a joke?!

160 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:42:03pm

re: #143 Charles Johnson

Yeah, but there's some funny business going on. I don't trust this one.

Here's the thing...Romney can claim he was being recorded out of context, or that it's a fake video and he wasn't there...but if the video goes viral, people will believe it. I'm guessing C&L will soon be posting the cease and desist letter they get from Romney's lawyers. And that will only add fuel to the fire.

161 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:42:52pm

re: #159 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Satire? Okay, first it's that he was just talking about his home state. Now it's satire. Pick a narrative you idiots. Oh and Erick after Fox News' attempt to rip off the Daily Show, you don't get to tell liberals they don't have a sense of humor especially when the number of great liberal comedians vastly outnumbers the number of great conservative ones.

162 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:43:05pm
163 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:44:44pm

Jennifer Granholm's response to Romney's birther comment.

Yes Mitt, we all know you were born in Michigan. What we don’t understand is why you knifed us in the back when Michigan was on its knees.

bam.

164 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:44:50pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

I guess this is where we get thinking. So, the source sucks, but the info is legit? I go back to Drudge and the blue dress/Linda Tripp.

Not sure how to process this, because I definitely fall into the source is absolutely important. But if it's real? I think the majority of bullshit sourced stuff has been proven to be bunk, or not proven to be true....

brain pretzel here.

I question why a source who had legitimate information would fake being a well known liberal icon. I question the information as much as the source because of that deliberate dishonesty.

165 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:46:02pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

Image: GranholmRomneyBirther.jpg

Ah, I didn't see this before I posted. Love the quote.

166 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:46:16pm

The REAL Maddow just reported on television that Trump's video contribution to the RNC will be a clip of him "firing" an Obama impersonator.

Knees, prepared to be slapped!

167 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:46:43pm

re: #162 darthstar

[Embedded content]

umm,, you just admitted CNN is "liberal"!!

just sayin'

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:46:57pm

re: #160 darthstar

Here's the thing...Romney can claim he was being recorded out of context, or that it's a fake video and he wasn't there...but if the video goes viral, people will believe it. I'm guessing C&L will soon be posting the cease and desist letter they get from Romney's lawyers. And that will only add fuel to the fire.

OK, thinking about what I watched. What I take away is not the point seemingly being pushed that Romney "extolled" these conditions.

No, my inital reaction and bottom line is that he/his company actually invested and made money off of such a deplorable predatory situation.

I'll leave that part to be disproved.

169 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:47:06pm

re: #166 bratwurst

Liberals really don't have Trump's sense of humor.

170 Kragar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:47:08pm

re: #166 bratwurst

The REAL Maddow just reported on television that Trump's video contribution to the RNC will be a clip of him "firing" an Obama impersonator.

Knees, prepared to be slapped!

Wow, what were the odds of that?

/I think I predicted that from the start

171 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:47:12pm

re: #166 bratwurst

The REAL Maddow just reported on television that Trump's video contribution to the RNC will be a clip of him "firing" an Obama impersonator.

Knees, prepared to be slapped!

Hee-yuk! That Donald is so funny!

172 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:47:53pm

re: #156 Stanley Sea

Words from previous recordings, spliced together? Are we that good with this shit now?

Yes.
But it's easier to copy a waveform for a particular instrument, in this case a voice, and produce a passable fake, especially if the voice is partially covered by noise and muffled by distance.

173 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:48:41pm

I will await the final verdict.

174 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:48:47pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

OK, thinking about what I watched. What I take away is not the point seemingly being pushed that Romney "extolled" these conditions.

No, my inital reaction and bottom line is that he/his company actually invested and made money off of such a deplorable predatory situation.

I'll leave that part to be disproved.

And it goes to support his complete lack of respect for people (though he does like to fire them...too bad there isn't video of him doing that 'for sport' on his junket to China).

175 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:49:50pm

re: #166 bratwurst

The REAL Maddow just reported on television that Trump's video contribution to the RNC will be a clip of him "firing" an Obama impersonator.

Knees, prepared to be slapped!

Haha what a bunch of lame asses.

176 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:51:47pm

Olbermann tweet (from twitlonger)

Nah, because that's true, and not funny RT @RobertLMarshall A comparable joke by POTUS would be "grandfather came from Kenya, not a polygamist compound in Mexico."

177 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:51:48pm

re: #163 darthstar

Jennifer Granholm's response to Romney's birther comment.

bam.

Ha she has a point there. Really, he was entitled to his opinion about bailing out the auto industry but claiming as he did later that we should be thanking him for Detroit's revitalization after he wrote an op-ed for one of the nation's largest newspapers saying in simple English, "Let it fail" is just so typical of him.

178 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:52:50pm

Okay, my cat (Bflat) keeps walking across my laptop and is starting to drink my Manhattan...back in a bit as I take a moment to feed him.

179 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:53:54pm

re: #178 darthstar

Okay, my cat (Bflat) keeps walking across my laptop and is starting to drink my Manhattan...back in a bit as I take a moment to feed him.

Why?

Give him two more sips of the Manhattan and he'll sleep through the night!!

180 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:55:09pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

Why?

Give him two more sips of the Manhattan and he'll sleep through the night!!

Done...he's a gin drinker. Bourbon makes him mean.

181 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:56:31pm

re: #168 Stanley Sea

OK, thinking about what I watched. What I take away is not the point seemingly being pushed that Romney "extolled" these conditions.

No, my inital reaction and bottom line is that he/his company actually invested and made money off of such a deplorable predatory situation.

I'll leave that part to be disproved.

That was my thinking. I don't know if the video is tampered with. It sure is suspicious, but nonetheless, we do know that Mitt and his company did indeed invest/made a boatload of money from those types of situations.

182 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:56:44pm

re: #180 darthstar

Done...he's a gin drinker. Bourbon makes him mean.

lightweight!

183 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 6:59:17pm

re: #178 darthstar

Okay, my cat (Bflat) keeps walking across my laptop and is starting to drink my Manhattan...back in a bit as I take a moment to feed him.

Rye? or Rye Not?

184 BongCrodny  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:03:25pm

re: #159 Lidane

[Embedded content]

I agree with Mr. Erickson.

Why, I've often spent many hours listening to and watching great conservative comedians such as George Carlin, Richard Pryor, Lenny Bruce, the Smothers Brothers, Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Lewis Black, Mark Russell, Harry Shearer, Louis C.K., Steve Martin, Mel Brooks, John Cleese, Sarah Silverman and Chris Rock.

185 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:05:28pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

24+ Hr rule on this for sure. As Abby would say, There is something hinkey going on here. Me, something stinks, but it isn't the garbage can.

186 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:06:14pm

Apparently Erickson didn't have a sense of humor about the CENSUS people.

187 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:06:43pm

re: #162 darthstar

+ 5 more

188 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:06:46pm

re: #183 William Barnett-Lewis

Rye? or Rye Not?

Rye ask rye? Try Bud Dry...

///

189 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:08:06pm

re: #164 b_sharp

I question why a source who had legitimate information would fake being a well known liberal icon. I question the information as much as the source because of that deliberate dishonesty.

This. 24+ Hr rule on this one

190 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:09:11pm

re: #189 Bubblehead II

This. 24+ Hr rule on this one

It's probably someone like Breitbart trying to be slick.

191 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:11:11pm

re: #190 Sionainn

It's probably someone like Breitbart trying to be slick.

Good trick, with him being, well, dead and all!!
/

192 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:11:36pm

re: #190 Sionainn

It's probably someone like Breitbart trying to be slick.

...The only problem with that is that we don't fall for things hook, line, and sinker. If it seems too good to be true, we question it.

193 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:11:52pm

re: #191 sattv4u2

Good trick, with him being, well, dead and all!!
/

I meant the site.

194 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:13:25pm
195 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:17:47pm

re: #190 Sionainn

It's probably someone like Breitbart trying to be slick.

If so, it was a damn good edit. I want to see more providence from the source. Putting it up under a fake account casts a very suspicious eye upon it.

196 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:19:17pm

Blockhead from Right Wing Watch Mass. just Retweeted this. After reading his profile. 2 + 2 = 4.

197 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:20:16pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

If so, it was a damn good edit. I want to see more providence from the source. Putting it up under a fake account casts a very suspicious eye upon it.

From #153

He also sounded shocked and unbelieving at the conditions. What would be informative/ useful is to see what (if any) changes were made to that particular factory in the months after Bain bought it

Sorry, but I really don't hear anything damning in the clip, fake, edited, real or not

198 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:21:35pm

re: #196 Gus

Blockhead from Right Wing Watch Mass. just Retweeted this. After reading his profile. 2 + 2 = 4.

Thats an insult to Blockheads!

199 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:22:36pm

re: #198 sattv4u2

Thats an insult to Blockheads!

[Link: twitter.com...]

200 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:23:09pm

re: #199 Gus

[Link: twitter.com...]

Yeah. I got that from your 194

201 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:23:23pm

You can smell them a mile away.

202 andres  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:23:43pm

The recent turn of events at the RNC are beyond troubling. It's not that I didn't see them coming. I saw them for quite some time. But to being so upfront about them... It's mind blowing.

re: #86 dragonath

Bernanke is a Republican, but I wonder what he must be thinking right about now.

Where did I left my vodka?

//

203 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:24:06pm

re: #194 Gus

Lots of Paulians mixed in there. They just can't seem to get over the fact that 98% (pulled out of my ass figure) just don't want the Crazy Uncle any where around the football out of fear of what he would do if he actually had it in his hands. Same goes for his (alleged) Son.

/// See I can do it to.

204 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:26:24pm
205 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:28:51pm

re: #203 Bubblehead II

Lots of Paulians mixed in there. They just can't seem to get over the fact that 98% (pulled out of my ass figure) just don't want the Crazy Uncle any where around the football out of fear of what he would do if he actually had it in his hands. Same goes for his (alleged) Son.

/// See I can do it to.

They're around in the left and the right. Can't stand those creatures.

206 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:29:53pm

Bill Nye is a cool nerd.

How is everyone?

207 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:30:16pm
208 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:30:45pm

re: #194 Gus

Douche

Assange?

209 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:33:03pm

re: #208 ggt

Assange?

Probably worse. Was just thinking about how that irked me more than Assange. Probably because of the universality of those creeps. Right Wing Watch Mass Retweeted it which is the only reason I saw it. I sent RWW MA a note:

That's not representative of RWW or People for the American Way. Bozo is either not thinking or there might be something else there.

210 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:33:12pm

re: #208 ggt

Assange?

no

but him too!

211 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:36:35pm

re: #205 Gus

They're around in the left and the right. Can't stand those creatures.

Well, I would like to say they are the Cockroaches of the Political world, but where would that leave the the jbs? Dung Beetle?

212 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:37:29pm

re: #211 Bubblehead II

but where would that the the jbs?

Sorry

I didn't bring my decoder ring tonight!!
//

213 Sionainn  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:42:20pm

re: #195 Bubblehead II

If so, it was a damn good edit. I want to see more providence from the source. Putting it up under a fake account casts a very suspicious eye upon it.

Not having speakers with me for my computer, I didn't get to hear the video, just read the words. I'll have to take everyone's word for it as to what it sounds like. The fake account thing sure is fishy.

214 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:42:45pm

re: #211 Bubblehead II

Well, I would like to say they are the Cockroaches of the Political world, but where would that the the jbs? Dung Beetle?

They're both roaches. Far-left. Far-right. They're weird. JBS is also big on conspiracy theories too as you know. Lots of overlap.

215 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:43:27pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

but where would that the the jbs?

Sorry

I didn't bring my decoder ring tonight!!
//

fixed. Can you figure it out now? :-)

216 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:44:30pm

re: #215 Bubblehead II

fixed. Can you figure it out now? :-)

Hold on

I need a few more drinks!

217 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:46:22pm

re: #213 Sionainn

It sounds like him. That is as far as I willing to go at this point.

218 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:47:33pm

re: #214 Gus

They're both roaches. Far-left. Far-right. They're weird. JBS is also big on conspiracy theories too as you know. Lots of overlap.

Ah, Same Family, just different branches. I can live with that.

219 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:48:55pm

re: #155 Charles Johnson

I don't like that someone posted this with Maddow's name without her permission - that crosses a big red line for me and makes me suspicious that there are ulterior motives at work.

I think the ulterior motive is that the person who secretly filmed the speech and uploaded it doesn't want to be found out for fear of recrimination. If someone was going to fabricate a clip, it would be more damning. The scene Mitt described sounds like a typical Chinese factory from a decade or two ago. Things are changing now, but early in the boom, that's how it was. Workers living in crowded dormitories with crowds of people trying to get in.

220 Locker  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:51:40pm

Video was great and very share-able. Thank you and Bill Nye is the man.

221 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:56:04pm

re: #219 Mich-again

I think the ulterior motive is that the person who secretly filmed the speech and uploaded it doesn't want to be found out for fear of recrimination. If someone was going to fabricate a clip, it would be more damning. The scene Mitt described sounds like a typical Chinese factory from a decade or two ago. Things are changing now, but early in the boom, that's how it was. Workers living in crowded dormitories with crowds of people trying to get in.

Scenario. He just bought the factory which is what he say. Afterward, Mitt Romney and Bain Capital helped improve working condition at the factory. Here's the problem too. Can we confirm that the presence of a fence around a Chinese factory like this constitutes slave labor? IOW. Is this a norm in China?

222 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:58:02pm

re: #221 Gus

Scenario. He just bought the factory which is what he say. Afterward, Mitt Romney and Bain Capital helped improve working condition at the factory. Here's the problem too. Can we confirm that the presence of a fence around a Chinese factory like this constitutes slave labor? IOW. Is this a norm in China?

The video has been overblown and is still suspect. Nobody should take this seriously until more validated information comes out.

223 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:58:31pm

Adding a bit more. The only thing that "proves" that he's talking about slave labor is the title. You have to have more proof than just a title. He could have very well been telling the truth in that the fence was to keep people out. We're probably talking really rough rural areas in China.

224 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:58:54pm

re: #222 b_sharp

The video has been overblown and is still suspect. Nobody should take this seriously until more validated information comes out.

Exactly.

225 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:58:58pm

re: #219 Mich-again

I think the ulterior motive is that the person who secretly filmed the speech and uploaded it doesn't want to be found out for fear of recrimination. If someone was going to fabricate a clip, it would be more damning. The scene Mitt described sounds like a typical Chinese factory from a decade or two ago. Things are changing now, but early in the boom, that's how it was. Workers living in crowded dormitories with crowds of people trying to get in.

Why did that person choose to impersonate Maddow?

226 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 7:59:30pm

re: #221 Gus

Can we confirm that the presence of a fence around a Chinese factory like this constitutes slave labor?

Where I'm sitting right now (at work) there is an 8 foot chain link fence with barbed wire on top surrounding this entire complex. I assure you, we're not slave labor!

227 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:00:16pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

Can we confirm that the presence of a fence around a Chinese factory like this constitutes slave labor?

Where I'm sitting right now (at work) there is an 8 foot chain link fence with barbed wire on top surrounding this entire complex. I assure you, we're not slave labor!

That's to keep the zombies out.

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:00:52pm

re: #227 b_sharp

That's to keep the zombies out in.

ftfy

(they work ALL night long!!)

229 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:02:45pm

re: #228 sattv4u2

ftfy

(they work ALL night long!!)

230 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:02:57pm

re: #227 b_sharp

That's to keep the zombies out. food in.

We don't want hungry zombies!

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:03:49pm

re: #135 Charles Johnson

Here's the video of Romney in question:

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It looks like a real recording.

I can't get the sound, so I don't know what his tone of voice is, but he does not say that they bought this place, nor that those conditions took place when his company owned the place if they ever did, nor, honestly, does he describe something particularly unusual in terms of overseas manufacturing. He doesn't say that workers were chained to machines, or that they were forcing workers to prove they weren't pregnant monthly, or the dorms were locked from the outside. All of which is common in a lot of places.

Now, their explanation for the guard towers and the barbed wire would raise suspicion for me, and I don't know that everything was on the up-and-up. If they didn't continue with the purchase, Mitt may never have known. More culpably, if they did buy the place, he still may never have known.

But it sounds as though his takeaway lesson here was, "Damn, I got lucky in life." Which is something I have heard a lot of Americans, none of them as rich as Mitt say. And which is, frankly, not something I would ever expect Mitt Romney to be able to articulate.

Here's something I know for sure: I KNOW I've almost certainly bought shit, or benefited from someone else's purchase of it, made under worse circumstances than he's describing.

So, real, faked, edited, who knows...the fact is, he doesn't say Bain used slave labor, and what he's actually saying is probably something anyone who's doing business with China could say. Not all of them go there, either, they just take the shipment. And deflect criticism by promising things are different now every time some scandal gets out of control.

I'm not sure I'm a big enough hypocrite to jump on this. "Molasses and Rum and Slaves" keeps playing in my head.

232 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:04:33pm

re: #225 b_sharp

Why did that person choose to impersonate Maddow?

Who knows? To get more attention is more guess. The internet is chock full of posters hiding behind pseudonyms.

233 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:05:56pm

re: #207 Lidane

[Embedded content]

KA BOOM.

234 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:06:03pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

There is another possibility here too. That Romney was also embellishing the story himself. People will do that.

235 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:08:10pm

re: #213 Sionainn

Not having speakers with me for my computer, I didn't get to hear the video, just read the words. I'll have to take everyone's word for it as to what it sounds like. The fake account thing sure is fishy.

My belief is, definitely Mitt.

Context? Who knows. But Bain appears to have been involved with a company that women worked like slaves at to get the necessary dowry.

Maybe they changed that.

236 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:08:11pm

re: #221 Gus

Can we confirm that the presence of a fence around a Chinese factory like this constitutes slave labor? IOW. Is this a norm in China?

I think what Mitt described is very common in China, or at least it was some years back. I didn't hear anything that would indicate this was some kind of slave labor camp. If the Chinese were indeed running a slave labor factory, they wouldn't have let the Bain contingency anywhere near it for a tour.

237 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:10:06pm

re: #223 Gus

Adding a bit more. The only thing that "proves" that he's talking about slave labor is the title. You have to have more proof than just a title. He could have very well been telling the truth in that the fence was to keep people out. We're probably talking really rough rural areas in China.

Of course this is the usual bullshit. The video might be real. Mitt's saying life in China sucks. I've been there, he's right. Great country but is sucks living there. Are we going to bitch about it from our Chinese made MacBooks and iphone while listening to our iPods which were made made people who probably committed suicide last week? Or maybe we should link to progressive "blogs" like Think Progress and Media Matters whose largest corporate funds come from Wall Mart who imports cheap Chinese made crap for the masses. There is no win here and Mitt's right. Life in China stinks but we're living large so we got that going for us...which is nice.

238 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:10:12pm

re: #223 Gus

Adding a bit more. The only thing that "proves" that he's talking about slave labor is the title. You have to have more proof than just a title. He could have very well been telling the truth in that the fence was to keep people out. We're probably talking really rough rural areas in China.

Yes, but they bought it, and made money off of it. Plausible?

239 danhenry1  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:10:20pm

re: #8 Patricia Kayden

That's just it Patricia, Creationism is a belief, not based on science. It should not be taught anywhere, for any reason at all.

240 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:12:04pm

re: #226 sattv4u2

Can we confirm that the presence of a fence around a Chinese factory like this constitutes slave labor?

Where I'm sitting right now (at work) there is an 8 foot chain link fence with barbed wire on top surrounding this entire complex. I assure you, we're not slave labor!

Very callous, Satt, to compare your situation to what we know is true in parts of China, Romney involvement or not.

You are so beyond their situation. I'm pissed at you now, so comfortable, so casual.

241 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:13:14pm

re: #240 Stanley Sea

Very callous, Satt, to compare your situation to what we know is true in parts of China, Romney involvement or not.

You are so beyond their situation. I'm pissed at you now, so comfortable, so casual.

I'll just have to live with your disappointment (and btw,, waytomissthepoint)

242 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:13:28pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Of course this is the usual bullshit. The video might be real. Mitt's saying life in China sucks. I've been there, he's right. Great country but is sucks living there. Are we going to bitch about it from our Chinese made MacBooks and iphone while listening to our iPods which were made made people who probably committed suicide last week? Or maybe we should link to progressive "blogs" like Think Progress and Media Matters whose largest corporate funds come from Wall Mart who imports cheap Chinese made crap for the masses. There is no win here and Mitt's right. Life in China stinks but we're living large so we got that going for us...which is nice.

Sounds good. I'll just point out that TP has added an important word he while reporting this:

Purported. That should add a tincture of skepticism to the reader. One would hope.

243 palomino  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:14:31pm

Creationism isn't appropriate for anyone. It's just one more area where we lag behind the rest of the developed world, along with high murder rates, lack of healthcare, life expectancy, infant mortality, drug laws, incarceration rates, income inequality, etc.

We have a higher percentage of our population that denies Darwinian evolution and the multi-billion year age of the earth than any other developed nation in the world.

But fuck that, right? Cuz we're Number One and American Exceptionalism and other catch phrases.

244 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:14:31pm

re: #242 Gus

Sounds good. I'll just point out that TP has added an important word he while reporting this:

[Embedded content]

Purported. That should add a tincture of skepticism to the reader. One would hope.

Which apparently goes to Buzzfeed. Don't see the word "slave" in either places.

245 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:14:44pm

re: #234 Gus

There is another possibility here too. That Romney was also embellishing the story himself. People will do that.

That's also possible. He's clearly making a point, and the exact truth may suffer. He could be changing things in a way that make him look more innocent, or in a way that inadvertently makes him seem more guilty.

Aside from the guards and the barbed wire, which is the 'WTF' part here, the conditions he describe are similar to descriptions I've been given of Chinese college dorms. God alone knows exactly what the hell was going on here.

Impossible at this point to figure out just what he saw. Impossible, also, for me to say under what conditions the underwear I'm currently wearing was made.

246 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:15:06pm

re: #236 Mich-again

I think what Mitt described is very common in China, or at least it was some years back. I didn't hear anything that would indicate this was some kind of slave labor camp. If the Chinese were indeed running a slave labor factory, they wouldn't have let the Bain contingency anywhere near it for a tour.

You don't sell off the laogai, no.

247 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:15:31pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Of course this is the usual bullshit. The video might be real. Mitt's saying life in China sucks. I've been there, he's right. Great country but is sucks living there. Are we going to bitch about it from our Chinese made MacBooks and iphone while listening to our iPods which were made made people who probably committed suicide last week? Or maybe we should link to progressive "blogs" like Think Progress and Media Matters whose largest corporate funds come from Wall Mart who imports cheap Chinese made crap for the masses. There is no win here and Mitt's right. Life in China stinks but we're living large so we got that going for us...which is nice.

I think life is getting better in China --for some at least. My nephew went over there for work, met a girl (college educated co-worker) married her and will probably end-up staying over there if they can.

248 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:16:05pm

re: #238 Stanley Sea

Yes, but they bought it, and made money off of it. Plausible?

They might have, but I knew they might have before I saw the video. From what he says, no way to tell.

249 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:16:17pm

re: #245 SanFranciscoZionist

That's also possible. He's clearly making a point, and the exact truth may suffer. He could be changing things in a way that make him look more innocent, or in a way that inadvertently makes him seem more guilty.

Aside from the guards and the barbed wire, which is the 'WTF' part here, the conditions he describe are similar to descriptions I've been given of Chinese college dorms. God alone knows exactly what the hell was going on here.

Impossible at this point to figure out just what he saw. Impossible, also, for me to say under what conditions the underwear I'm currently wearing was made.

Right. You have to consider "where he's coming from." You and I could look at the same condition and possibly be less dramatic. I've seen plenty of what looked like horrible conditions when I lived in SF.

250 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:16:46pm

re: #242 Gus

Sounds good. I'll just point out that TP has added an important word he while reporting this:

[Embedded content]

Purported. That should add a tincture of skepticism to the reader. One would hope.

They're misquoting. He says the girls were in their early twenties.

251 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:17:16pm

re: #237 Killgore Trout

Or maybe we should link to progressive "blogs" like Think Progress and Media Matters whose largest corporate funds come from Wall Mart who imports cheap Chinese made crap for the masses. There is no win here and Mitt's right. Life in China stinks but we're living large so we got that going for us...which is nice.

The relatively high standard of living in America is in part propped up by the availability of cheap Chinese-made imported products from Walmart. But that is changing now. Wages are increasing and the unlimited labor pool is shrinking. Mitt may be in a whole different financial stratosphere than the typical American, but we have all "lived large" as you say thanks to the huge (and temporary) economic disparity between our countries.

252 danhenry1  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:18:03pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

Is that a Chevy Belair?

253 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:18:17pm

bbl

254 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:19:15pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

I'll just have to live with your disappointment (and btw,, waytomissthepoint)

it was a joke? I didn't laugh? Enjoy your night behind barbed wire.

255 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:19:43pm

re: #207 Lidane

Ouch.

But I was Joking!

No, you weren't. It was a deliberate ploy to appeal pander to the birthers. I know it, you know it and so does every one else. Can you say FAIL!

Night Lizards. Been fun chatting with you.

May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

256 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:20:34pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

it was a joke? I didn't laugh? Enjoy your night behind barbed wire.

Wasn't a joke either

Again, waytomissthepoint

257 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:21:35pm

re: #252 danhenry1

Is that a Chevy Belair?

iirc, the car that Spencer Tracey drove was a Pontiac (and I think thats the one thats in that photo)

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:21:48pm

re: #249 Gus

Right. You have to consider "where he's coming from." You and I could look at the same condition and possibly be less dramatic. I've seen plenty of what looked like horrible conditions when I lived in SF.

I'm sure I would be a lot more dramatic, and they would probably find me trying to lecture to the workers about Clara Lemlich and the eight-hour work day in half-assed Mandarin. (In my imaginings, I speak half-assed Mandarin).

But I sure as hell ain't Mitt Romney.

259 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:22:03pm

Don't go grabbing at straws.

260 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:22:23pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

it was a joke? I didn't laugh? Enjoy your night behind barbed wire.

You missed his point, which is - a chain link fence is not necessarily evidence for keeping people in, it could be security to keep people out.

261 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:23:36pm

re: #260 b_sharp

You missed his point, which is - a chain link fence is not necessarily evidence for keeping people in, it could be security to keep people out.

Friend of mine was offered a job in Colombia. They had barbed wire to keep the workers OUT after hours. The workers were being picked off by militias. She told them to go to hell.

She's also not Mitt Romney, of course...

262 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:24:07pm

re: #260 b_sharp

You missed his point, which is - a chain link fence is not necessarily evidence for keeping people in, it could be security to keep people out.

t/y

That, and doesn't constitute "slave labor" which why I took that phrase from Gus's post and elaborated

263 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:24:22pm

re: #254 Stanley Sea

it was a joke? I didn't laugh? Enjoy your night behind barbed wire.

Actually. I really don't think what you think he meant is what he meant.

264 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:24:40pm

re: #263 Gus

Actually. I really don't think what you think he meant is what he meant.

What do you mean?
/

265 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:25:00pm

{sigh}

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:25:03pm

re: #260 b_sharp

You missed his point, which is - a chain link fence is not necessarily evidence for keeping people in, it could be security to keep people out.

Or to guard their equipment and crap.

Of course, it could be to keep workers on the premises, but the truth is, outside the true prison camps, my impression is that you don't have to do that in China. You can get all the new workers you need if some of them get sick of the conditions and go home.

267 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:26:19pm

re: #264 sattv4u2

What do you mean?
/

Don't talk to him, he'll only confuse you. Talk to me instead.

Would you like to buy a genuine Rolex watch?

268 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:26:36pm

re: #265 sattv4u2

{sigh}

Yeah. You were just providing your own personal example of the possibility. If one were to look at "the fence" as indication of something. I'm pretty sure that Foxx factories are like fortresses.

269 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:26:54pm

re: #267 b_sharp

Don't talk to him, he'll only confuse you. Talk to me instead.

Would you like to buy a genuine Rolex watch?

I can do that too.

270 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:27:50pm

re: #269 Gus

I can do that too.

Can do what, too?

Confuse someone, or sell them a watch?

271 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:27:52pm

Basically you have to look at the video... and then come away without thinking that the video you just watched proved the existence of God.

272 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:29:26pm

re: #242 Gus

Purported. That should add a tincture of skepticism to the reader. One would hope.

Sorry but my allegedly Chinese made cheap flatscreen TV which I'm not watching was burning fossil fuels too loudly. I can't hear you.
/

273 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:29:44pm

re: #260 b_sharp

You missed his point, which is - a chain link fence is not necessarily evidence for keeping people in, it could be security to keep people out.

Got it. Will wait. In/Out. All good.

274 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:30:50pm

Now all of my lightbulbs are on and I'm blinded. I think my shoes fell off.

275 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:31:14pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Got it. Will wait. In/Out. All good.

Drum circle!

276 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:31:40pm

re: #275 Gus

Drum circle!

Pepper spray!

277 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:32:00pm

re: #276 Killgore Trout

Pepper spray!

Don't make me stabby, bitch.

278 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:32:13pm

A word about two of my co-workers

When I come in at night relieving one of them there are pens and pencils all over the control room (this is a good thing, btw,,, we have phones every 4 feet or so, need to be picked up on 1st ring ((customer service is paramount here)) and we're always jotting notes based on the phone call

When I come in relieving the other, there's nary a writing utensil in sight!!

279 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:32:42pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Got it. Will wait. In/Out. All good.

No.
If they are keeping people in - not OK.
If they are keeping people out - OK.

However, jumping to conclusions is frequently not OK.

280 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:32:52pm

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Now all of my lightbulbs are on and I'm blinded. I think my shoes fell off.

You have SHOES !

Elitist!

281 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:33:05pm

re: #277 Gus

Don't make me stabby, bitch.

Rapey joke deleted

282 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:33:06pm

A fresh take from Andrea Seabrook, an ex-Capitol Hill reporter..
Politicians Lie–and Reporters Can't Report That

"I realized that there is a part of covering Congress, if you're doing daily coverage, that is actually sort of colluding with the politicians themselves because so much of what I was doing was actually recording and playing what they say or repeating what they say," Seabrook told Politico....

Seabrook seems pretty clear that the problem isn't the media: "I think the problem is the Congress itself. And we're all in the same positions, scrambling to figure out how the hell to cover these assholes."

283 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:33:21pm

re: #275 Gus

Drum circle!

I'd rather partake in a Kazoo circle.

284 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:33:27pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Got it. Will wait. In/Out. All good.

Do I get to keep my downdings!?!?!

285 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:33:41pm

re: #283 b_sharp

I'd rather partake in a Kazoo circle.

In Kalamazoo!?!?

286 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:34:53pm

re: #278 sattv4u2

A word about two of my co-workers

When I come in at night relieving one of them there are pens and pencils all over the control room (this is a good thing, btw,,, we have phones every 4 feet or so, need to be picked up on 1st ring ((customer service is paramount here)) and we're always jotting notes based on the phone call

When I come in relieving the other, there's nary a writing utensil in sight!!

There exist aliens who exist on graphite and ink. They will substitute human blood for ink, so make sure pens.

287 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:35:21pm

re: #283 b_sharp

I'd rather partake in a Kazoo circle.

Washboard, saw, string bass, juice harp...

And a singer with a raspy voice.

288 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:35:33pm

re: #284 sattv4u2

Do I get to keep my downdings!?!?!

Pay the lady.

289 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:35:46pm

re: #286 b_sharp

There exist aliens who exist on graphite and ink. They will substitute human blood for ink, so make sure pens.

Good point.

290 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:36:31pm

re: #289 Gus

Good point.

Yes, I prefer a pencil with a good point!

291 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:37:29pm

re: #290 sattv4u2

Yes, I prefer a pencil with a good point!

So do the rapey stabby people.

292 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:38:03pm

re: #260 b_sharp

You missed his point, which is - a chain link fence is not necessarily evidence for keeping people in, it could be security to keep people out.

Not that likely, though. China isn't like Pakistan, there aren't large gangs of rural bandits and so everyone needs a gun in the tribal areas.

293 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:38:11pm

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

294 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:40:00pm

re: #293 Gus

BEEHIVE YOURSELVES!

a stinging rebuke!

295 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:40:43pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Not that likely, though. China isn't like Pakistan, there aren't large gangs of rural bandits and so everyone needs a gun in the tribal areas.

China is just like Atlanta. Cept for the work conditions and pay.

Fences are everywhere. That THAT became the topic is quite funny.

296 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:41:01pm

re: #293 Gus

BEHOOVE YOURSELVES!

Outstanding in our fields.

297 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:42:28pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

China is just like Atlanta. Cept for the work conditions and pay.

Fences are everywhere. That THAT became the topic is quite funny.

If any country can claim to not be monocultural it would be China.

298 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:42:52pm

re: #294 sattv4u2

a stinging rebuke!

I try but sometimes this powdered wig gets in the way.

299 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:43:00pm

re: #292 Dark_Falcon

Not that likely, though. China isn't like Pakistan, there aren't large gangs of rural bandits and so everyone needs a gun in the tribal areas.

Well there are some areas in China prone to ethnic violence that feature large gangs of people fighting each other. The occasional outburst of violence between the Han Chinese and Uighurs is one example.

300 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:43:31pm

re: #297 b_sharp

If any country can claim to not be monocultural it would be China.

China largely is monocultural. What do you mean?

301 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:43:34pm

FNDT

302 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:43:46pm

Damn the Irish!

//

303 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:44:05pm
304 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:44:25pm

re: #302 Gus

Too late!

305 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:44:40pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

China largely is monocultural. What do you mean?

Not really. Japan or Korea would be much better examples of a monocultural society.

306 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:46:06pm

re: #295 Stanley Sea

China is just like Atlanta. Cept for the work conditions and pay.

Fences are everywhere. That THAT became the topic is quite funny.

wow,, even when the point was explained to you,, by two different (than me) posters,, you STILL missed it!!

307 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:46:54pm

re: #305 Mich-again

Not really. Japan or Korea would be much better examples of a monocultural society.

Image: 350px-Ethnolinguistic_map_of_China_1983.jpg

308 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:47:07pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

China largely is monocultural. What do you mean?

1.4 billion people in a country pretty much as large as the US where cultures have clashed for 5000 years and geography has forced some cultures apart and some together. China has hundreds of different cultures.

309 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:47:53pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

wow,, even when the point was explained to you,, by two different (than me) posters,, you STILL missed it!!

OK, Satt, in plain English, without snark. You said you worked behind a fence. The video talked about Chinese women working behind a fence.

Please, elaborate. Simply, for me please.

310 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:47:56pm

re: #306 sattv4u2

wow,, even when the point was explained to you,, by two different (than me) posters,, you STILL missed it!!

Two raving lefties no less.

311 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:48:00pm
312 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:49:34pm

re: #310 b_sharp

Two raving lefties no less.

{sigh}

313 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:49:44pm

re: #308 b_sharp

1.4 billion people in a country pretty much as large as the US where cultures have clashed for 5000 years and geography has forced some cultures apart and some together. China has hundreds of different cultures.

Well, it seems monocultural from the outside, and many Han Chinese see it as so being.

Doesn't make it true, though.

314 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:50:24pm

re: #311 Gus

Image: Ethnolinguistic_map_of_China_1983.jpg

I remember a Chinese classmate whose boyfriend was also Chinese, yet they spoke to each other in English - his first language was Cantonese, hers, Mandarin. Both dialects of the Chinese language, yet so different the speakers can't understand each other.

315 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:50:25pm

re: #309 Stanley Sea

OK, Satt, in plain English, without snark. You said you worked behind a fence. The video talked about Chinese women working behind a fence.

Please, elaborate. Simply, for me please.

better, I urge you to look at Gus's and B-Sharps explanation to you regarding my statement that you found so onerous

316 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:57:41pm
317 Kronocide  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:58:30pm
318 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 8:59:48pm

Remember the stories from a year or two back about cartel activity on Lake Falcon, which is bisected by the US-Mexico border? Well, it seems Texas has acquired a response to the problem:

The American state of Texas is forming a naval unit of six gunboats to deal with the growing drug gang violence on both sides of the Rio Grande River. For some 2,000 kilometers, this river forms the border between Mexico and Texas. A few sections of the river are heavily used to smuggle drugs, and the smugglers often use violence if they are interfered with. The new Texas gunboat force will assist police and border patrol forces on land to prevent the drug gangs from escaping across the river and make the river safe for civilian use.

The six 11 meter (34 foot) gunboats (each equipped with six 7.62mm machine-guns, armor and night vision equipment) cost about $600,000 each. The federal government contributed some money for this and approves of the new riverine force. The six boats have boat trailers that enable them to be quickly moved to parts of the river where they are needed. The boats are manned by members of the Texas Highway Patrol.

Initially, the patrol boats are to be used to patrol Lake Falcon, which is a 33,854 hectare (83,650 acre) body of water formed behind one of the dams on the Rio Grande. For the last two years one of the major Mexican drug gangs has been increasingly active on the lake, killing Mexicans and Americans and generally misbehaving.

319 bratwurst  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:00:10pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

China largely is monocultural.

Come on, DF. I am pretty sure you know better than that. If not, some reading is in order.

320 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:03:31pm

re: #316 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Notice how she tries to cover his ass. Pretty funny.

321 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:04:05pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

For the last two years one of the major Mexican drug gangs has been increasingly active on the lake, killing Mexicans and Americans and generally misbehaving.

Killing people and generally misbehaving. I'm fine with the gunboats on patrol, but that wording just sounds funny.. Not only are they killing Mexicans and Americans, they are playing their radios too loud and littering. We need gunboats!

322 TDG2112  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:04:39pm

Like I've posted before, Get science WRIT LARGE in the daily media all this nonsense will fade away. The only way to do it is to get NASA back in the business of expanding Human frontiers.


Also note Bill Nye is starting to repeat things Tyson has been repeating until he's blue in the face.

323 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:06:40pm

re: #300 Dark_Falcon

China largely is monocultural. What do you mean?

For fuck's sake, they've got 14 distinct dialects of their 'monocultural' language. People from one part of the country can barely understand people from another - and definitely can't read their dialiect...it's damn near a different language. And you think the country is largely monocultural? Did you skip third grade?

324 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:07:29pm

re: #321 Mich-again

Killing people and generally misbehaving. I'm fine with the gunboats on patrol, but that wording just sounds funny.. Not only are they killing Mexicans and Americans, they are playing their radios too loud and littering. We need gunboats!

Strategy Page cultivates the fine art of the understatement.

325 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:07:57pm

re: #323 darthstar

For fuck's sake, they've got 14 distinct dialects of their 'monocultural' language. People from one part of the country can barely understand people from another - and definitely can't read their dialiect...it's damn near a different language. And you think the country is largely monocultural? Did you skip third grade?

I was wrong.

326 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:07:59pm

Hum de dum.

327 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:08:02pm

re: #322 TDG2112

Like I've posted before, Get science WRIT LARGE in the daily media all this nonsense will fade away. The only way to do it is to get NASA back in the business of expanding Human frontiers.

[Embedded content]


Also note Bill Nye is starting to repeat things Tyson has been repeating until he's blue in the face.

Sometimes you have to repeat yourself while talking slower and louder for people to 'get' you.

328 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:08:06pm

re: #321 Mich-again

Killing people and generally misbehaving. I'm fine with the gunboats on patrol, but that wording just sounds funny.. Not only are they killing Mexicans and Americans, they are playing their radios too loud and littering. We need gunboats!

There was some guy misbehaving in New York this morning with a .45. Had some muslim name...Jeffrey ibn al Johnson or something like that. Probably a terrorist.
/

329 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:09:16pm

re: #323 darthstar

Did you skip third grade?

I did, but only in the playground

330 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:09:28pm

re: #323 darthstar

For fuck's sake, they've got 14 distinct dialects of their 'monocultural' language. People from one part of the country can barely understand people from another - and definitely can't read their dialiect...it's damn near a different language. And you think the country is largely monocultural? Did you skip third grade?

Calm yourself young Padawan, popped gaskets are hard to replace in space.

331 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:09:33pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

I was wrong.

QFT. I understand you're a US-centric conservative, but for christ's sake, do a google search or two before saying shit like this in the future...it'll only take a few seconds and you won't look like a Romney campaign spokesperson.

332 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:10:21pm
333 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:10:32pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

Did you skip third grade?

I did, but only in the playground

Did you have help?

334 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:10:36pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

I was wrong.

updinged for honesty.

335 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:11:22pm

re: #318 Dark_Falcon

Remember the stories from a year or two back about cartel activity on Lake Falcon, which is bisected by the US-Mexico border? Well, it seems Texas has acquired a response to the problem:

Just what TX needs: more guns.

338 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:12:51pm

re: #337 Gus

Obama's a good man.

Obviously skeptical.

339 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:13:01pm

re: #322 TDG2112

Like I've posted before, Get science WRIT LARGE in the daily media all this nonsense will fade away. The only way to do it is to get NASA back in the business of expanding Human frontiers.

[Embedded content]


Also note Bill Nye is starting to repeat things Tyson has been repeating until he's blue in the face.

In a country where purportedly almost half the people think the world started with two naked people and a talking snake? Good luck.

340 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:13:18pm

re: #337 Gus

Obama's a good man.

The prayer breakfast is something I hoped Obama would do away with. It's a C-Street circle-jerk.

341 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:13:53pm

re: #339 Mattand

In a country where purportedly almost half the people think the world started with two naked people and a talking snake? Good luck.

You do realize there was an apple, right?
///

342 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:14:05pm

re: #340 darthstar

The prayer breakfast is something I hoped Obama would do away with. It's a C-Street circle-jerk.

I'm on the 1,000 year plan.

343 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:14:22pm

and good evening honcos.

344 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:14:27pm

re: #340 darthstar

The prayer breakfast is something I hoped Obama would do away with. It's a C-Street circle-jerk.

The crack up is, he can't. Oh no. Muslim rumors and all that shit. Such pandering.

345 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:15:05pm

re: #330 b_sharp

Calm yourself young Padawan, popped gaskets are hard to replace in space.

Not to worry

We can get cheap replacement parts from fenced in factories in China!!

(I'm going straight to hell)

346 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:16:11pm

re: #345 sattv4u2

Not to worry

We can get cheap replacement parts from fenced in factories in China!!

(I'm going straight to hell)

No, the chicks working for a dowry are. You're fine.

347 Mattand  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:16:28pm

re: #341 Cannadian Club Akbar

You do realize there was an apple, right?
///

Yeah, forgot about the magic fruit. That make much more sense now.

348 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:16:54pm

re: #346 Stanley Sea

No, the chicks working for a dowry are. You're fine.

How do you know I'M not working for a dowry too?

349 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:17:02pm

re: #341 Cannadian Club Akbar

You do realize there was an apple, right?
///

If it was a Granny Smith I'd believe it.

350 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:17:35pm

Science, pfft.

Hoity toity eggheads with all their *facts*!

They're all atheists anyway and are going to HE double toothpicks!

The bible says it.

I believe it.

That settles it.

(This message brought to you by the great unwashed of Mencken's America. After eighty years, you think they would have wised up. Not so much.)

351 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:17:45pm

re: #348 sattv4u2

How do you know I'M not working for a dowry too?

You just want those four goats...freak.
//

352 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:18:16pm

re: #339 Mattand

In a country where purportedly almost half the people think the world started with two naked people and a talking snake? Good luck.

He was actually a talking lizard who misplaced his legs that day.

353 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:18:20pm

re: #335 Mattand

Just what TX needs: more guns.

In the hands of the Highway Patrol. Gunboats can be very useful in securing rivers and lakes against a hostile organization. We can see examples of this having happened in China (to tie in our earlier discussion), where both the RN and USN used river gunboats to suppress factions hostile to their nations' interests.

Need more proof that gunboats can produce good results? Ask Sen John Kerry, a man who commanded one such river gunboat in Vietnam.

354 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:20:00pm

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Need more proof that gunboats can produce good results? Ask Sen John Kerry, a man who commanded one such river gunboat in Vietnam.

The same John Kerry who had his military service ridiculed by the Republican party with Purple Heart band-aids and the Swiftboat assholes?

355 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:20:06pm

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

356 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:21:21pm

Damn you!

357 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:21:56pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

I hate to say this: It doesn't matter. If injured, sue. If in harms way and not hurt, sue.

358 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:22:09pm

I sent those questions to Greg Mitchell of The Nation. He won't answer.

359 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:22:12pm

re: #354 Lidane

The same John Kerry who had his military service ridiculed by the Republican party with Purple Heart band-aids and the Swiftboat assholes?

The very same.

360 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:23:23pm

re: #357 Cannadian Club Akbar

I hate to say this: It doesn't matter. If injured, sue. If in harms way and not hurt, sue.

No. You know what this is about. NYPD kills people. Get with the program. Forget science.

361 jaunte  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:23:43pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

Seems like the shooter was after just one person:

Ercolino was walking toward Hazan Imports, across 33rd Street from the Empire State Building, and stopped to talk to a colleague. Johnson, dressed in a suit and tie and carrying a black canvas bag, walked up and shot Ercolino at close range, police said, and then stood over the man and shot him again - a total of five shots.

HISTORY OF ANIMOSITY

Johnson, carrying a second magazine in his bag, then walked "calmly" a block away, police said, past two officers stationed in front of the entrance to the Empire State Building.

A pair of construction workers who witnessed the shooting followed Johnson and tipped off the officers, pointing at Johnson as he passed, police said.

The two cops approached Johnson, who drew his gun, turned and pointed it directly at the officers from about eight feet away, police said. Police opened fire and shot him, Police Department spokesman Paul Browne told reporters.[Link: www.chicagotribune.com...]

362 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:24:13pm

re: #360 Gus

No. You know what this is about. NYPD kills people. Get with the program. Forget science.

The NYPD only kills minorities.
/

363 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:24:18pm

[Link: bcove.me...]

Have you all seen this? Ta Nehisi Coates piece in Atlantic.

The article

364 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:25:02pm

re: #361 jaunte

Seems like the shooter was after just one person:

I know. Just looking at these folks trying to turn this into some cliched NYPD done it dog and pony show.

365 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:25:42pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

Quite possibly. I'm inclined to give the cops the benefit of the doubt on this one, since they had good reason to suspect they were dealing with an active shooter. If it had been me injured, I wouldn't sue if my medical costs were paid.

366 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:26:48pm

re: #361 jaunte

Seems like the shooter was after just one person:

The thing is that the two responding officers did not know that at the time.

367 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:26:58pm

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

The NYPD only kills minorities.
/

I know. And if I don't pray to the altar of their soul I'm a Republican too. Whatever. These Maxims from the holier than thou progs get on my nerves.

368 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:29:10pm

re: #362 Cannadian Club Akbar

The NYPD only kills minorities.
/

Are you sure? I thought that was children and puppies!

369 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:31:05pm

Party first? HELL NO!

370 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:31:10pm

No arguing with Catholic doctrine - or Jesus

In response to John Andrews’ letter praising a renegade band of Catholic nuns who are promoting ideas that are contrary to 2,000 years of Catholic teaching, here is the way it works:

There is and can never be a “debate” or “dialogue” or “modernization” of true traditional Catholic teaching. Even a pope can not overturn another pope!

Unfortunately, there are many post Vatican II Catholics — including some priests, bishops and nuns — who believe that church doctrine can be conveniently fused into what has become a worldwide mass delusion of grave sin and error. Since the 1960s, bad, old-fashioned, fleshy sin has been re-invented to favor the sin and sinner. Understanding and keeping up with the times becomes justification for further lapses into wickedness.

Those lapsed faithful who are still tempted to argue with Christ after 200 decades may find out in the fullness of time that their transitory beefs with Catholic doctrine do not hold up for eternity.

JOHN SOLAK

BIBLE SCHOOL PARK

So there!

371 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:31:13pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

I was wrong.

Ah yes. I know the situation well. Post something incorrect and then get kicked around by new visitors long after you've admitted being wrong. It will go on till the wee hours. been there..

372 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:31:19pm

re: #368 sattv4u2

Are you sure? I thought that was children and puppies!

Children and puppies kill minorities?

373 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:32:01pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Party first? HELL NO!

That's what happens when you disinvite one sphincter from the asshole convention.

374 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:32:23pm

re: #372 darthstar

Children and puppies kill minorities?

Only at the urging of little old ladies

375 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:32:38pm
376 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:32:39pm

Look, a 9mm pistol is a horrible weapon. Short barrel. It's designed to shoot at a target within 50 feet (max). Molto nervoso shooters. The perp is pointing a 1911 A-1 .45 at at them. The cops draw, cut loose, and end up shooting a shitload of people behind the perp. No surprise.

377 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:32:48pm

Charles Johnson

I love Bill Nye. I used to watch Bill Nye the Science guy when I was a kid.

378 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:34:24pm

re: #375 Gus

Context, please.

379 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:35:28pm

This is probably inappropriate, but I saw it and I laughed:

Image: legitimateshooting.jpg

380 sagehen  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:36:44pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

Dunno... but whoever's responsibility it was to test this officer's marksmanship and signed off that he was qualified is apparently not very good at his job.

If we're going to pay people to carry guns on our behalf, and authorize them to use deadly force, I'd like to be able to assume a certain level of proficiency.

381 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:36:55pm

re: #317 Kronocide

Legitimate Shooting

Rofl.

382 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:37:17pm

CONSENSUS

Do you think my boss really meant it when he e-mailed me a couple of hours ago asking if I could swap out the equipment in two racks by the morning!?!?

(just FYI,, there's about 16 pieces of equipment per rack,,, each piece has to be removed, replaced, and the new one rewired, balanced and tested)

383 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:38:20pm

re: #378 darthstar

Context, please.

John Cook's an asshole.

384 sagehen  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:38:22pm

re: #363 Stanley Sea

[Link: bcove.me...]

Have you all seen this? Ta Nehisi Coates piece in Atlantic.

The article

Coates is awesomesauce.

385 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:38:41pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

CONSENSUS

Do you think my boss really meant it when he e-mailed me a couple of hours ago asking if I could swap out the equipment in two racks by the morning!?!?

(just FYI,, there's about 16 pieces of equipment per rack,,, each piece has to be removed, replaced, and the new one rewired, balanced and tested)

He meant to say "drink at work". that what I hear.

386 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:39:03pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

CONSENSUS

Do you think my boss really meant it when he e-mailed me a couple of hours ago asking if I could swap out the equipment in two racks by the morning!?!?

(just FYI,, there's about 16 pieces of equipment per rack,,, each piece has to be removed, replaced, and the new one rewired, balanced and tested)

Crash a satellite instead.

387 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:39:37pm

re: #386 Varek Raith

Crash a satellite instead.

What do you think I did last night!!!

388 sagehen  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:39:38pm

re: #369 Stanley Sea

[Embedded content]

Party first? HELL NO!

okay, now *that's* funny.

389 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:40:34pm

Just because you wanted to know:

Kim Kardashian Calls For Change In Gun Laws Following Empire State Building Shootings

[...]

Reality star Kardashian has called for a change in the nation's gun laws, saying 19 others were shot in Chicago last night (August 23).

She wrote on Twitter: "Sending my prayers to everyone involved with the Empire State Building shooting! This violence has got to stop!!!

"Also 19 people shot in Chicago last night! 13 people in 30 mins! Time to really rethink gun laws! This is just insane!!!"

[...]

Something tells me Kim won't be in Tampa for the convention.

390 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:41:18pm

BBIAB

391 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:41:22pm

The Gawker "Bain files" was a flop. True story. I'm open for questions.

392 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:42:01pm

re: #389 freetoken

Something tells me Kim won't be in Tampa for the convention.

Unless someone tells her the delegates are stuffing 20s in dancers' g-strings.

393 sattv4u2  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:42:08pm

re: #391 Gus

The Gawker "Bain files" was a flop. True story. I'm open for questions.

Whens the best time to plant corn?

394 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:42:29pm

re: #389 freetoken

Well Hells Bells!! If she thinks so....

395 sagehen  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:42:35pm

re: #382 sattv4u2

CONSENSUS

Do you think my boss really meant it when he e-mailed me a couple of hours ago asking if I could swap out the equipment in two racks by the morning!?!?

(just FYI,, there's about 16 pieces of equipment per rack,,, each piece has to be removed, replaced, and the new one rewired, balanced and tested)

He meant for you to e-mail back "hell no, but I can get it done by Monday. And I want comp time off for working through the weekend."

396 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:42:38pm

re: #393 sattv4u2

Whens the best time to plant corn?

On Thursdays.

397 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:43:11pm

re: #391 Gus

The Gawker "Bain files" was a flop. True story. I'm open for questions.

I was totally shocked that Romney does everything in his power to legally evade taxes.
Shocked!
/

398 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:43:15pm

re: #391 Gus

The Gawker "Bain files" was a flop. True story. I'm open for questions.

I don't think it was a flop. It got some attention...but there's so much valid shit about Romney floating around out there that eventually shit gets lost in the shuffle.

399 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:43:33pm

re: #391 Gus

I'm open for questions.

Should a woman always obey her man?

Kanye West makes Kim Kardashian throw out her clothes

Kanye West made Kim Kardashian throw away most of her clothes.

[...]

400 sagehen  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:43:49pm

re: #391 Gus

The Gawker "Bain files" was a flop. True story. I'm open for questions.

What is the average airspeed of an unladen swallow?

401 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:43:55pm

re: #398 darthstar

I don't think it was a flop. It got some attention...but there's so much valid shit about Romney floating around out there that eventually shit gets lost in the shuffle.

No. It was a flop.

402 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:44:08pm
403 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:44:31pm

re: #399 freetoken

Should a woman always obey her man?

Kanye West makes Kim Kardashian throw out her clothes

He is a punk.

404 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:44:32pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killedhow would ambulance chasing plaintiff's lawyers make money on this?

There, fixed it for you.

405 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:44:46pm

Come on man. No one found anything of significance. It was fun while it lasted. Nothing there. Flop.

406 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:45:43pm

re: #403 Cannadian Club Akbar

He is a punk.

And she's a gold-digging fame whore. They're perfect for each other. =P

407 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:45:57pm

re: #404 sliv_the_eli

There, fixed it for you.

40%.

408 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:47:12pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

Only at the urging of little old ladies

That's why TSA has to frisk all the little old ladies at the airports.

//

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:48:16pm

re: #406 Lidane

And she's a gold-digging fame whore. They're perfect for each other. =P

I had a chance to date a woman and I didn't have to work. She was a VP of a bank.

410 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:48:16pm

re: #402 darthstar

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If only the GOP could figure out how to suppress the female vote...then they'd have a chance.

411 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:49:54pm

re: #410 darthstar

If only the GOP could figure out how to suppress the female vote...then they'd have a chance.

Whoa!! Wimmin can vote? Next thing you know they'll want to drive.
///

412 Lidane  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:50:14pm

re: #410 darthstar

If only the GOP could figure out how to suppress the female vote...then they'd have a chance.

Ann Coulter's been working on that one for a while, saying that it all went to shit when women got the vote.

413 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:50:19pm

Legitimate Rape by the Raging Grannies

414 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:50:55pm

Quit your bitchin' and get in the kitchen!!!

415 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:52:19pm

re: #391 Gus

I'm open for questions.

Should the Daleks still be around?

416 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:52:20pm

People get so emotional wanting to believe what they see.

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:53:07pm

My former boss sent me check yesterday. He sent me a text today asking if I got it.

418 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:53:27pm

re: #380 sagehen

Dunno... but whoever's responsibility it was to test this officer's marksmanship and signed off that he was qualified is apparently not very good at his job.

If we're going to pay people to carry guns on our behalf, and authorize them to use deadly force, I'd like to be able to assume a certain level of proficiency.

The news report indicates that the perp pulled a weapon on the two polic officers from a distance of 8 feet. Even the most highly trained peace officers are likely to be less than calmly accurate under those circumstances.

419 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:53:33pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

I don't know enough about what happened yet.

However, my first thought is of Steve Martin's speech in "Roxanne":

"I have a dream. It's not a big dream, it's just a little dream. My dream, and I hope you don't find it too crazy, is that if, God forbid, there ever was a fire, the people of this town would feel that calling the fire department was a wise thing to do. You can't have people when their houses are burning down saying, 'Whatever you do, for God's sake, don't call the fire department.' That would be bad."

NYPD might want to take that speech under assessment.

420 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:53:34pm

re: #413 darthstar

Legitimate Rape by the Raging Grannies

[Embedded content]

I have a question. If rape is rape does that mean every rape case brought before the court should meet mandatory sentencing? IOW there is no spectrum within rape charges.

421 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:53:46pm

re: #416 Gus

People get so emotional wanting to believe what they see.

I love you Gus. Hold me....

422 blueraven  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:54:17pm

re: #355 Gus

OK. So this NYPD officer shot some innocent bystanders. Question...

Had they not been injured in the indiscriminate fire would more people have been killed?

Maybe the NYPD could review their operation a bit. It looked like total chaos over a single murder.

423 darthstar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:55:13pm

re: #420 Gus

I have a question. If rape is rape does that mean ever rape case brought before the court should meet mandatory sentencing? IOW there is no spectrum within rape charges.

If she says, "No." Then go jack off. Five minutes in the bathroom is better than 10-15 in the pen.

424 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:55:15pm

re: #420 Gus

I have a question. If rape is rape does that mean ever rape case brought before the court should meet mandatory sentencing? IOW there is no spectrum within rape charges.

You must define rape,

425 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:56:21pm

And speaking of Daleks:

SyFy confirms development of Blake's 7 remake

With Terry Nation’s most famous creations, the Daleks, returning to TV in Doctor Who next weekend, Syfy have chosen just the right moment to announce that they’re developing a US revamp of the writer’s fondly-remembered sci-fi drama Blake’s 7.

In a statement, the network said: “Syfy will develop the cult UK classic adventure-sci-fi series Blake’s 7, teaming with Georgeville Television and producer Marc Rosen.”

[...]

Sounds like a disaster in waiting. SyFy doesn't create shows for adults anymore, so expect a kiddy version of Blake's 7.

426 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:57:12pm

re: #422 blueraven

Maybe the NYPD could review their operation a bit. It looked like total chaos over a single murder.

I'm sure they will. But it's an important question. Yes, some innocent people were injured but what if they weren't and no one was there? I think it's another false conclusion. Yes, people were injured but more people probably lived because of that.

427 blueraven  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 9:59:10pm

re: #426 Gus

I'm sure they will. But it's an important question. Yes, some innocent people were injured but what if they weren't and no one was there? I think it's another false conclusion. Yes, people were injured but more people probably lived because of that.

I guess we will have to wait for the review.

428 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:00:47pm

re: #427 blueraven

I guess we will have to wait for the review.

Yep. Guy goes nuts. You shoot. Blame the cops. It's no wonder we don't have enough cops.

429 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:04:07pm

re: #428 Gus

Yep. Guy goes nuts. You shoot. Blame the cops. It's no wonder we don't have enough cops.

Just How Many Bystanders Did New York Police Shoot?

430 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:05:35pm

I think it's funny. Romney is basically doing what Apple does.

431 blueraven  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:06:00pm

re: #420 Gus

I have a question. If rape is rape does that mean every rape case brought before the court should meet mandatory sentencing? IOW there is no spectrum within rape charges.

The recent debate over rape has to do with access to abortion. In that case rape is rape.

There are different circumstances under sentencing a rapist. If it was assault with a deadly weapon, that would obviously carry a stiffer sentence than a date rape in which both people were drunk and the woman passed out and was taken advantage of.

Both cases however, should be looked at the same as far as access to abortion.

432 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:06:26pm

re: #389 freetoken

Just because you wanted to know:

Kim Kardashian Calls For Change In Gun Laws Following Empire State Building Shootings

Something tells me Kim won't be in Tampa for the convention.

Okay, we need to stage an intervention for you about this Kardashian obsession of yours...

433 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:06:49pm

Romney is Apple.

434 blueraven  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:07:01pm

re: #428 Gus

Yep. Guy goes nuts. You shoot. Blame the cops. It's no wonder we don't have enough cops.

Who is blaming the cops?

435 Gus  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:07:54pm

re: #434 blueraven

Who is blaming the cops?

The Nation.

436 wheat-dogg  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:09:33pm

Just now watched the purported Romney video. What's he's describing is pretty typical of factories in China. Some of my students have been those 18-to 23-year-olds working long days to make enough money to continue to go to school. Factories in China are usually self-contained, with dorms and dining facilities in the compound, which benefits the workers (they don't have to pay for rooms and food) and the employers (the workers are less likely to leave on the spur of the moment). The fences are there to keep people out, sure, but also to keep workers in. They also help minimize theft, both by the workers and by townspeople.

Two anecdotes. One girl, now a sophomore, spent four weeks this summer combing the hair of dolls to make it straight and pretty. For at least 12 hours a day. Her take for this summer ordeal was 2000 yuan ($314 or so), which is not quite half her school fees this year.

Another, now a junior, worked last summer but had to lie about being a college student. She pretended to be a migrant worker looking for a long-term job. When it came time to leave to resume classes, her manager had a fit and refused to let her leave until the end of the month. Needless to say, the boss also refused to pay her wages unless she stayed to the end of the month.

It's not exactly slave labor, but somehow over the last 60 years, China has lost track of that "worker's revolution".

437 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:10:28pm

re: #434 blueraven

Who is blaming the cops?

I'm...reserving blame until the circumstances become much clearer. This is not, on the face of it, impressive police work.

438 blueraven  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:13:21pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm...reserving blame until the circumstances become much clearer. This is not, on the face of it, impressive police work.

Agree, totally.

439 freetoken  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:14:16pm

re: #432 Mocking Jay

Okay, we need to stage an intervention for you about this Kardashian obsession of yours...

Hey, it's not my obsession... I'm just reporting what America is concerned with.

440 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:16:35pm

Alex Jones is on Coast to Coast AM. My life rules!!!!

441 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:17:47pm

re: #440 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alex Jones is on Coast to Coast AM. My life rules!!!!

No one ever asked Alex Jones for his birth certificate.

442 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:18:24pm

re: #441 Mich-again

No one ever asked Alex Jones for his birth certificate.

Yeah, but that's because Mars doesn't issue birth certificates.

443 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:20:09pm

re: #397 Varek Raith

I was totally shocked that Romney does everything in his power to legally evade taxes.
Shocked!
/

Do you know anyone who doesn't?

444 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:20:14pm

re: #442 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yeah, but that's because Mars doesn't issue birth certificates.

Then why did we send Curiosity to look for it, hm?

I'll bet you have no answer for that.

445 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:20:26pm

re: #441 Mich-again

re: #442 Mostly sane, most of the time.

This guy is a nutball.

446 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:21:13pm

re: #445 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #442 Mostly sane, most of the time.

This guy is a nutball.

Have we asked him for his green card so he can live on this planet?

447 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:22:49pm

re: #446 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Have we asked him for his green card so he can live on this planet?

He'll move to Mars. Don't make hm prove it!!!

448 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:23:07pm

re: #443 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Do you know anyone who doesn't?

Me. Fair is fair, I love my country.

I know, fucking libtard.

449 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:25:14pm

re: #444 Mocking Jay

Then why did we send Curiosity to look for it, hm?

I'll bet you have no answer for that.

Curiosity is tooling around in a warehouse in Area 51.

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:27:06pm

re: #441 Mich-again

No one ever asked Alex Jones for his birth certificate.

I think I'm better off knowing as little as possible about Alex Jones' birth.

451 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:32:15pm

re: #450 SanFranciscoZionist

I think I'm better off knowing as little as possible about Alex Jones' birth.

FTFY...

452 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:32:21pm

So, this is the slow part of he night? It's been a while.

453 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:38:22pm

re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist

Agreed. I would just point out that the skill level people want from the police in a spot like that would require essentially full time training, to the exclusion of so much else as to be untenable. 20 hours a week live fire practice. Then you need cops that have had real gunfights before. Even SWAT guys would be very hard pressed.

Short of that you are not going to have police that can consistently move, draw a handgun, and single shot "snipe" a man shooting at them. In a crowd. Surrounded by smooth concrete surfaces. Sometimes we have unrealistic expectations.

454 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:38:43pm

Wake the fuck up people!!!

455 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:45:33pm

re: #454 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wake the fuck up people!!!

No. I'm feeling contrary. I'm going to bed now.

456 blueraven  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:50:04pm

re: #453 Daniel Ballard

Agreed. I would just point out that the skill level people want from the police in a spot like that would require essentially full time training, to the exclusion of so much else as to be untenable. 20 hours a week live fire practice. Then you need cops that have had real gunfights before. Even SWAT guys would be very hard pressed.

Short of that you are not going to have police that can consistently move, draw a handgun, and single shot "snipe" a man shooting at them. In a crowd. Surrounded by smooth concrete surfaces. Sometimes we have unrealistic expectations.

Well there is some question as to whether there was a "gunfight" at all.

[Link: www.theatlanticwire.com...]

457 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:51:31pm

re: #453 Daniel Ballard


Robocop would not miss. I think that is what people expect.

458 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:56:05pm

Re-education camps. Alex Jones is on it!!!!!

459 engineer cat  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:56:07pm

1925 buescher tru-tone soprano sax finally arrived

plays like a dream

460 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 10:56:29pm

re: #456 blueraven

The guy had just murdered a man. He was gun in hand. Pointed level as much as I can tell, not up or down. That's engage on sight. They can't wait with a person pointing the gun at people. It's a gunfight.

Do we maybe have anyone else with police gun training logged in? You can't just pull that kind of training policy up on google.

461 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:00:09pm

re: #459 engineer cat

1925 buescher tru-tone soprano sax finally arrived

plays like a dream

nice..

462 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:04:04pm

re: #451 Dancing along the light of day

Hello there, enjoying the cool breeze this evening?

463 Mich-again  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:17:25pm

My favorite part about Mitt's dive into birtherism isn't what Rmoney said, its what the akinfolk who actually spent time off work on a beautiful Michigan Summer Friday to go to a Mitt Romney rally instead of going up North, hanging out on a boat, playing hooky, etc said. More please.

Susan Cardel, 51, said she thought Romney’s comment was “hysterical.”

“That is still a big issue, isn’t it?” Cardel said. “I think it is, that Obama wasn’t born in America. I think Romney was just making a statement. He wasn’t trying to be mean or anything.”

Jim Gorcya, 72, said he read Romney’s comment as a suggestion that Obama’s birth certificate is not real.

“Obama doesn’t have one,” Gorcya said. “He wasn’t born here, and he can’t find his.”

464 Dancing along the light of day  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:19:20pm

re: #462 Daniel Ballard

Hello there, enjoying the cool breeze this evening?

YUM, fog. No sun here, today!
Hope you are well?

465 sagehen  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:22:05pm

re: #453 Daniel Ballard

Agreed. I would just point out that the skill level people want from the police in a spot like that would require essentially full time training, to the exclusion of so much else as to be untenable. 20 hours a week live fire practice. Then you need cops that have had real gunfights before. Even SWAT guys would be very hard pressed.

Short of that you are not going to have police that can consistently move, draw a handgun, and single shot "snipe" a man shooting at them. In a crowd. Surrounded by smooth concrete surfaces. Sometimes we have unrealistic expectations.

From eight feet away, I don't think it's all that unrealistic to expect at least half the bullets to hit a man-sized target.

466 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:23:42pm

re: #464 Dancing along the light of day

Going swimmingly. Even the overlords are content.

467 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:34:22pm

re: #465 sagehen

You make a good point there. Too many shots fired is exactly the mistake made today. I could not agree more.
It's really hard to not make a mistake like that. Believe me. I found this stuff out doing things like shooting .45 at a moving target, perhaps while moving and it's really hard to do even under less pressure than the real thing. There are sports (IDPA, IPSC, USPSA, Steel Challenge) that simulate this kind of shooting. If you ask the kind of people that can shoot that well you might be shocked to find out how hard they train. I did mostly IDPA in regular competition for a decade.

468 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:47:25pm

Alex Jones is a nutball!!!!!

469 CriticalDragon1177  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:51:52pm

re: #468 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alex Jones is a Nutball? Couldn't agree more. He's nutter than two fruit cakes! Heard the expression "he's nutter than a fruit cake?" Alex Jones is that times two.

470 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 24, 2012 11:56:36pm

re: #469 CriticalDragon1177

Alex Jones is a Nutball? Couldn't agree more. He's nutter than two fruit cakes! Heard the expression "he's nutter than a fruit cake?" Alex Jones is that times two.

I love the crazy!!

471 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 12:20:24am

somebody loved this old horn - there are a couple of funky repairs where something has been wrapped around connections in the mechanism to shim them so that the connected keys are pressed down better

it seems like they must have played it a lot and cared about whether it played well but didn't have the money to get it really repaired. well, a lot can happen to an instrument in 87 years...

buescher made about 28 thousand saxophones in 1925 ( [Link: www.saxpics.com...] ), sopranino, soprano, alto, tenor, baritone, and who knows what else. i figure they made more altos and tenors than the others, so lets say they made a few thousand sopranos. you see four or five come up on the ebay every month

472 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 12:23:24am

re: #471 engineer cat

I emailed a violin company wanting to buy a bass. I asked if they made left handed basses and they said no.

473 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 12:25:49am

re: #472 Cannadian Club Akbar

I emailed a violin company wanting to buy a bass. I asked if they made left handed basses and they said no.

should have gone to bassmasters

474 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 12:27:37am

re: #473 engineer cat

should have gone to bassmasters

Crank some Lucia......

475 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 12:28:09am

re: #474 Cannadian Club Akbar

Crank some Lucia......


D'oh!!!
476 researchok  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:03:31am

Morning, all

477 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:08:56am

re: #476 researchok

Morning, all

Says you....

478 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:10:18am

this article says that the very first saxophones made by adolph saxe in the 1840s were in the shape of Ophicleides

here is a picture of a family of Ophicleides, apparently a very prosperous family of ophicleides that live in gracie mansion or something

479 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:15:23am

re: #478 engineer cat

Awesome. Now learn 'Young American" by David Bowie. IIRC,sax by David Seaborne.

480 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:18:39am

re: #479 Cannadian Club Akbar

Awesome. Now learn 'Young American" by David Bowie. IIRC,sax by David Seaborne.

Sanborne. This is what I get for trusting my computer.

481 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:44:14am

re: #463 Mich-again

My favorite part about Mitt's dive into birtherism isn't what Rmoney said, its what the akinfolk who actually spent time off work on a beautiful Michigan Summer Friday to go to a Mitt Romney rally instead of going up North, hanging out on a boat, playing hooky, etc said. More please.

Susan Cardel, 51, said she thought Romney’s comment was “hysterical.”

“That is still a big issue, isn’t it?” Cardel said. “I think it is, that Obama wasn’t born in America. I think Romney was just making a statement. He wasn’t trying to be mean or anything.”

Jim Gorcya, 72, said he read Romney’s comment as a suggestion that Obama’s birth certificate is not real.

“Obama doesn’t have one,” Gorcya said. “He wasn’t born here, and he can’t find his.”

This, ladies and gentlemen, proves that some people are just plain unteachable. Once they get a wrong idea in their heads, nothing short of full-on deprogramming will knock it loose.

How many times have the media shown Obama's birth certificate? How many people have publicly vouched that he is a US-born citizen? Still, these knuckleheads hold on to the idea that there's no valid cert and Obama is foreign-born.

Heaven forbid that Romney, who wants to be leader of a world superpower, might just come out and tell people, "Look, he's a natural born citizen. For real. Give it a rest."

482 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:44:49am

Dig it.

483 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:58:56am

so we now have the official romney line on his birth certificate remark, straight from the willard's mouth: it was just a joke hahahahah just a joke see like you know a light hearted remark? hey lighten up!

484 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 1:59:09am

re: #481 wheatdogg

Heaven forbid that Romney, who wants to be leader of a world superpower, might just come out and tell people, "Look, he's a natural born citizen. For real. Give it a rest."

He wants it both ways, to act like the guy who acknowledges the truth while also being the slithering turd who cynically exploits the lie.

485 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 2:03:40am

re: #484 goddamnedfrank

Not just Willard. I can't think of any Republican official who has stated clearly and unequivocally that Obama is a natural-born citizen and therefore entitled to be president. Certainly not Boehner, who has waffled on the issue, or any of the other GOP leadership.

Maybe McCain has, but who listens to him anymore?

486 engineer cat  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 2:06:16am

Family Tree of Languages Has Roots in Anatolia, Biologists Say

Biologists using tools developed for drawing evolutionary family trees say that they have solved a longstanding problem in archaeology: the origin of the Indo-European family of languages.

ha! i toldja so!!!

DEATH TO THE KURGAN THEORY! LONG LIVE COLIN RENFREW!

487 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 2:18:05am

re: #486 engineer cat

It would be interesting to see how this jibes with migration patterns deduced from DNA evidence.

488 TDG2112  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:12:35am

re: #339 Mattand

In a country where purportedly almost half the people think the world started with two naked people and a talking snake? Good luck.

Not a problem. Just double NASA's budget.

Sign the petition
[Link: www.penny4nasa.org...]


You can also donate to
Fight for Space:
[Link: www.fightforspace.com...]

489 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:20:17am

re: #488 TDG2112

Is you nic in part to Rush? And good morning honcos.

490 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:23:51am

I love Saturdays. 6 hours of sports talk starting at 9.:)

491 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:26:27am

Great. I show up and everyone decides to STFU.
/

492 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:37:26am

Really? No one? Don't make me start to post stuff, 'cause I will.

493 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:37:26am

re: #389 freetoken

Just because you wanted to know:

Kim Kardashian Calls For Change In Gun Laws Following Empire State Building Shootings

Something tells me Kim won't be in Tampa for the convention.

The people shot in Chicago were the result of gang problems, not loose gun laws. Illinois and Chicago already have tight gun laws.

What Chicago needs, IMO, is a declaration that the worst areas of gang activity are in a state of emergency. Something that could be used to justify a fairly harsh form of crackdown, which would take the form of a 8pm-6am curfew for all males under 50. The object would be to get the gangs off the street at night.

494 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:40:41am

re: #493 Dark_Falcon

Dude, Kim Kardashian said we need gun laws. Do you think you know better? She's on TV!!!!
/I hope they all get hit by a truck

495 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:44:49am

re: #492 Cannadian Club Akbar

Really? No one? Don't make me start to post stuff, 'cause I will.

Here's something that would be illegal to wear on the beach in Tampa.


SWF

496 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:47:03am

re: #494 Cannadian Club Akbar

Dude, Kim Kardashian said we need gun laws. Do you think you know better? She's on TV!!!!
/I hope they all get hit by a truck

The funny thing is she'd likely be able to make a defensible case if she used examples from some of her father's old cases, instead of going with an appeal to emotion.

But then I value logic and reason over celebrity, so what do I know?

497 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:47:25am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Here's something that would be illegal to wear on the beach in Tampa.

SWF

I plan on wearing a thong. Backwards. Time to split the boys up. Wait. What?

498 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:48:26am

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

We should make it a reality show. Let's call it "Whore Goes To Court".

499 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:51:02am

re: #495 Dark_Falcon

Some Chinese, especially women, are obsessed with keeping their skin as pale as possible. Pale skin = comparative wealth. Dark skin = peasant (from being in the sun all day). There are also a variety of skin lighteners in the shops for those born with naturally dark skin.

The face masks are a bit over the top, though.

500 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:53:15am

re: #498 Cannadian Club Akbar

We should make it a reality show. Let's call it "Whore Goes To Court".

Really, that's downding worthy. It's ugly without a reason for being so.

501 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:53:44am

re: #499 wheatdogg

Some Chinese, especially women, are obsessed with keeping their skin as pale as possible. Pale skin = comparative wealth. Dark skin = peasant (from being in the sun all day). There are also a variety of skin lighteners in the shops for those born with naturally dark skin.

The face masks are a bit over the top, though.

Have these women ever heard the phrase "the darker the berry, the sweeter the juice"? I love me a Red Bone. (if you don't know what that is, look it up. I'm not doing your homework)

502 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:55:10am

re: #500 Dark_Falcon

Really, that's downding worthy. It's ugly without a reason for being so.

I posed a link to a question yesterday and made the "Bottom Comments". I really don't care.

503 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:56:30am

re: #501 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lived in the South. And I know you don't mean Leon.

504 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:56:43am

re: #502 Cannadian Club Akbar

I posed a link to a question yesterday and made the "Bottom Comments". I really don't care.

Posted, not posed, pimf

505 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:56:44am

re: #499 wheatdogg

Some Chinese, especially women, are obsessed with keeping their skin as pale as possible. Pale skin = comparative wealth. Dark skin = peasant (from being in the sun all day). There are also a variety of skin lighteners in the shops for those born with naturally dark skin.

The face masks are a bit over the top, though.

They surely are. But most of China's coasts are low crime enough to allow such things. Those masks would not be permitted here in many places due to laws forbidding wearing face masks. I had actually come up with the "illegal to wear in Tampa" line when I first saw the article and I was waiting for CCA to be online at the same time as me to post the link.

506 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 5:58:03am

re: #504 Cannadian Club Akbar

Posted, not posed, pimf

You can pose a question as well as post one. Either term works here on LGF, we're flexible like that. :)

507 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:00:10am

re: #505 Dark_Falcon

No doubt law enforcement types in Tampa would frown on such masks, not that anyone in Florida would be caught dead wearing one on the beach.

508 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:02:34am

I love FB, don't get me wrong. Meeting up with old frieds is cool. (I had 660 people in my class) But I swear to you, if one more person posts shit about "if he/her loves me I will see him/her again" I will go on a rampage. Or not. Just sayin'.

509 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:03:08am

re: #507 wheatdogg

No doubt law enforcement types in Tampa would frown on such masks, not that anyone in Florida would be caught dead wearing one on the beach.

I will beat them up, personally.

510 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:12:17am

re: #509 Cannadian Club Akbar

LEOs would probably not like that, either

511 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:14:20am

re: #510 wheatdogg

LEOs would probably not like that, either

I wanted to be there for the RNC. Sucks that I can't.

512 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:16:00am

KC Toy and Doll show this morning ~ woot.

513 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:16:22am

To attend it? Or just to hang out in Tampa and ogle the Repubs?

514 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:17:12am

re: #512 prairiefire

KC Toy and Doll show this morning ~ woot.

Wow. You know how to party!!!
/

515 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:17:41am

re: #514 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. You know how to party!!!
/

(((shhhh,,,,blow up dolls,,,, shhhh)))

516 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:17:56am

re: #513 wheatdogg

To attend it? Or just to hang out in Tampa and ogle the Repubs?

I was gonna take pics of the nutbars.

517 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:19:51am

Some big lug beat me out for two boxes of Sylvanian Families new in the box from the 80's. I could have made $150 profit from that stuff. I wanted to throttle him.
Oh well, prairie, live to fight another day.

518 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:20:25am

re: #514 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. You know how to party!!!
/

In certain circles, yes.

519 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:21:58am

re: #518 prairiefire

In certain circles, yes.

Amish?!?

520 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:27:24am

Have a good day, lizards.

521 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:31:15am

re: #481 wheatdogg

This, ladies and gentlemen, proves that some people are just plain unteachable. Once they get a wrong idea in their heads, nothing short of full-on deprogramming will knock it loose.

You can never kill a conspiracy theory. Facts and evidence that refute the theory are only proof of just how far the other side will go to conceal the real truth.

522 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:32:09am

The pans I have to work with hear are complete crap.

523 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:35:53am

Mornin' all...the librul media is at it again...

524 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:36:53am

re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar

The pans I have to work with hear are complete crap.

You hear your pans!?!?

525 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:40:26am

re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar

The pans I have to work with hear are complete crap.

Find a Marshall's or Ross near by...they usually have a couple of good All-Clad or Calphalon stainless lying around in their kitchen section that are dirt cheap.

526 Mich-again  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:41:10am

re: #523 darthstar

From the linked article, regarding Mitt..

But competence is worthless without direction and, frankly, character.

That's gonna leave a mark.

527 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:44:39am

re: #521 Mich-again

You can never kill a conspiracy theory. Facts and evidence that refute the theory are only proof of just how far the other side will go to conceal the real truth.

Indeed. I know I've posted this quote a lot but it fits here:

"Conspiracism is the sign of a mind in flight from reality." - Jonathan Kay

Most birthers are what Kay calls "failed historian" conspiracists. For them, the idea of Obama being born in Kenya is a way to refuse to accept that a left-liberal black man was elected President of the United States. Making Obama illegitimate in their minds allows them to avoid facing reality.

528 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:49:21am

re: #502 Cannadian Club Akbar

I posed a link to a question yesterday and made the "Bottom Comments". I really don't care.

You linked to a Birch Society site. By all means, continue not taking the situation seriously.

529 The Left  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:50:18am

So I'm spending my afternoon reading LGF (of course!) and looking at wingnut blogs for hilarity and what do I see but a popup ad on some wingnut site saying "Get MUGGED by Ann Coulter"-- offering me a free copy of her new book MUGGED if only I'll agree to subscribe or whatever to the wingnut site.

How long did it take Ann to come up with that title? I'm guessing thirty seconds, and that it involves a lot of quacking about Obama and welfare and his socialist utopia.

Thanks but no thanks, I don't need to be MUGGED by Ann Coulter.

530 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:51:12am

re: #528 goddamnedfrank

You linked to a Birch Society site. By all means, continue not taking the situation seriously.

Yea, I realize that after I was told.

531 The Left  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:52:15am

re: #522 Cannadian Club Akbar

The pans I have to work with hear are complete crap.

What's wrong with them?

BTW, against your advice I bought some cheap pans here in the UK-- they're revolting.

532 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:55:02am

re: #530 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yea, I realize that after I was told.

Good for you. Do you still want to go around acting like you "really don't care?" I only mention this because the last thing you probably need right now is to come off as glibly dismissive of the site owner's unambiguously worded warning.

533 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:56:05am

re: #528 goddamnedfrank

You linked to a Birch Society site. By all means, continue not taking the situation seriously.

re: #530 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gus had earlier posted the same story but with a different link.
Sometimes when Googling for a story I'll grab the 1st one I come to and if it's not an 'obvious" nutjob site thats the one I'll use

Obvious problem is, it's sometimes difficult to know

534 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:56:41am

re: #531 Millicent Islam

What's wrong with them?

BTW, against your advice I bought some cheap pans here in the UK-- they're revolting.

How do pans carry picket signs!?!?!

535 Destro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:57:52am

re: #521 Mich-again

You can never kill a conspiracy theory. Facts and evidence that refute the theory are only proof of just how far the other side will go to conceal the real truth.

That is true, though some comspiracies do expire over time.

I am sure the Hitler and Elvis is alive conspiracies died out as the supposed age of these people passed the life expectancy. Hitler escaping and living in South America was a big deal up until the 70s. After that, life expectancy made the Hitler is still alive conspiracy fade away.

Paul of the Beatles is dead and replaced by a lookalike is another conspiracy that came and went.

But political conspiracies tend to linger and sometimes mutate into newer ones.

536 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 6:59:21am

re: #532 goddamnedfrank

Do you still want to go around acting like you "really don't care?"

CCA's "I really don't care" was in response to Darks telling him Dark was going to downding him about a joke

Geeezzz people Lighten up!

537 The Left  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:00:36am

re: #535 Destro

But political conspiracies tend to linger and sometimes mutate into newer ones.

Especially in America:

The Paranoid Style in American Politics

538 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:01:03am

re: #529 Millicent Islam

So I'm spending my afternoon reading LGF (of course!) and looking at wingnut blogs for hilarity and what do I see but a popup ad on some wingnut site saying "Get MUGGED by Ann Coulter"-- offering me a free copy of her new book MUGGED if only I'll agree to subscribe or whatever to the wingnut site.

How long did it take Ann to come up with that title? I'm guessing thirty seconds, and that it involves a lot of quacking about Obama and welfare and his socialist utopia.

Thanks but no thanks, I don't need to be MUGGED by Ann Coulter.

Not just that, it also in involves throwing red meat to racists. Coulter's game plan of making money by saying things in the most inflammatory manner possible automatically lowers the level of any discussion she involves herself in. Those seeking a right-of-center perspective on crime or urban issues are encouraged by Yours Truly to visit City Journal's website. Lots more useful facts, and a much smarter, less angry tone.

539 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:01:22am

re: #531 Millicent Islam

What's wrong with them?

BTW, against your advice I bought some cheap pans here in the UK-- they're revolting.

When buying kitchen wares, buy big. They will last forever.

540 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:02:20am

re: #536 sattv4u2

Do you still want to go around acting like you "really don't care?"

CCA's "I really don't care" was in response to Darks telling him Dark was going to downding him about a joke

Geeezzz people Lighten up!

To be clear, I said the joke was "downding worthy". I neither downdinged the post in question, nor threatened to do so.

541 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:02:54am

re: #528 goddamnedfrank

You linked to a Birch Society site. By all means, continue not taking the situation seriously.

Is this your blog? No? Then fuck off.

542 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:03:11am

re: #539 Cannadian Club Akbar

When buying kitchen wares, buy big. They will last forever.

AND,, the whole family can join in!!

Image: huge-paella-pan.jpg

543 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:03:52am

re: #542 sattv4u2

AND,, the whole family can join in!!

Image: huge-paella-pan.jpg

Nice!! Holy Crap!!!

544 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:04:21am

re: #543 Cannadian Club Akbar

Nice!! Holy Crap!!!

Any time you have to stir with an oar,.,,,,

545 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:05:20am

re: #544 sattv4u2

Any time you have to stir with an oar,.,,,,

I SO could make some chicken and yellow rice in that bad boy.

546 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:11:08am

Good morning lizards!

547 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:12:44am
548 sattv4u2  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:12:53am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards!

Perfect timing for me to start the long quiet drive home!!

549 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:13:04am

re: #521 Mich-again

You can never kill a conspiracy theory. Facts and evidence that refute the theory are only proof of just how far the other side will go to conceal the real truth.

Yes, I know. I've had to deal with people like that. The more evidence you offer contradicting their notions, the more they dive deeper into their own little world of denial. Creationism is just a few degrees removed from Moon-landing denial, reptilians in government office, and FEMA camps.

550 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:14:11am

This advisory is for Eastern Florida. Sorry media...
[Link: forecast.weather.gov...]

551 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:14:14am

BBL

552 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:14:42am

re: #542 sattv4u2

AND,, the whole family can join in!!

Image: huge-paella-pan.jpg

Try getting it into the dishwasher...or the sink for that matter.

553 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:14:59am

re: #547 darthstar

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Wow. Just like unions.

554 The Left  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:18:15am

re: #547 darthstar

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WTF??

555 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:18:22am
556 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:19:20am

re: #555 darthstar

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Porn and Luap Nor!! I am so there.

557 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:21:44am

re: #555 darthstar

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Well some would say dreaming of a Ron Paul presidency is like a Penthouse forum letter.
Dear Penthouse, I never thought this would happen to me but my country elected a crazy coot whose ideas are so backwards.

558 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:23:00am

re: #557 HappyWarrior

Well some would say dreaming of a Ron Paul presidency is like a Penthouse forum letter.
Dear Penthouse, I never thought this would happen to me but my country elected a crazy coot whose ideas are so backwards.

They have letter in Penthouse?
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559 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:23:12am
560 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:23:23am

re: #553 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wow. Just like unions.

You know how I can tell you didn't read the decision and have no idea what you're talking about? The corporation in this case is a union, and this is still a new finding.

561 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:23:26am

re: #558 Cannadian Club Akbar

They have letter in Penthouse?
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I read it only for the articles.

562 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:24:25am

re: #561 HappyWarrior

I read it only for the articles.

I stared at the pictures.

563 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:26:39am

re: #516 Cannadian Club Akbar

OK. I wonder if any will show up with teabags pinned to their hats?

564 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:27:56am

re: #560 goddamnedfrank

You know how I can tell you didn't read the decision and have no idea what you're talking about? The corporation in this case is a union, and this is still a new finding.

Wow. You're right. Because I don't actually give a shit about every detail. But leave me a memo in my box on Monday

565 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:28:51am

re: #563 wheatdogg

OK. I wonder if any will show up with teabags pinned to their hats?

Prolly not. The anarchist will be there this week.

566 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:34:02am
567 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:34:14am

I am staying at a place and Julio is a chef. His soup rules and he is making some. Yummy!!

568 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:35:40am

re: #566 NJDhockeyfan

RONPAUL!!1!!! NOT ROMNYE!!!!1!

Heh.

A pawn of Wall Street? That would be both sides. Idiot.

569 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:36:08am

A full dose of weapons grade idiocy for the day, with Maths!:
The unvarnished idiocy of the green agenda in a single picture

Together, the 48 contiguous states are comprised of 2,959,064 square miles (which excludes bodies of water).

There are 640 acres in a mile. There are about 4,840 square yards per acre.

To calculate the number of square yards in the United States, we multiply 640 * 4,840 * 2,959,064, which yields 9.17 trillion square yards in the United States.

There are also about 300 million citizens living in the United States. If you had everyone in the U.S. stand next to each other -- let's say they each have their own square yard to stand in -- how much of the contiguous land would be filled?

Answer: about 96 square miles or the size of Plymouth, Massachusetts.

(map of United States)
(map of Plymouth, Mass)

This estimate ignores, of course, the immense land mass known as Alaska as well as Hawaii. Humans would be even less consequential if we took those areas into account.

Each time you fly over the United States, remember how inconsequential humans really are.

Humans represent the metaphorical gnat on an elephant's posterior. And human activities have about as much to do with carbon dioxide, photosynthesis and the rest of the earth's organic processes as Al Gore had to do with the invention of the Internet. Which is to say: none.

570 Gretchen G.Tiger  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:37:05am
571 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:40:16am

re: #569 Kronocide

A full dose of weapons grade idiocy for the day, with Maths!:
The unvarnished idiocy of the green agenda in a single picture

When a human can survive on the resources provided within a cubic yard, maybe this could be taken somewhat seriously. Let's put the author of this little piece of brilliance in that size of an airtight box and see how long he makes it.

572 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:41:29am

re: #569 Kronocide

A full dose of weapons grade idiocy for the day, with Maths!:
The unvarnished idiocy of the green agenda in a single picture

Did he deliberately forget about the other 6.7 billion people on Earth? WTF are they doing? Sleeping?

573 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:42:39am

re: #572 wheatdogg

Did he deliberately forget about the other 6.6 billion people on Earth? WTF are they doing? Sleeping?

They don't count. American exceptionalism and all.

574 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:46:13am

It's disconnected thinking. I'd like to see a study that considers actual space needs per human when you consider water resources, arable land (for vegetables, grain, and veg/grain feed to support meat producing animals), how much mining it takes to create our stuff, and how much forest was cut down to make their house.

Which brings me to my next blog:

The 7 Types Of Republican Idiots

575 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:48:04am

re: #574 Kronocide

I remember reading Time or Newsweek years ago saying there would be wars over water.

576 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:48:39am

re: #572 wheatdogg

Did he deliberately forget about the other 6.6 billion people on Earth? WTF are they doing? Sleeping?

Some years ago some idiocy traveled through the blogs about the entire world population being able to live in Texas. This was before Texas went into drought.

577 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:50:04am

re: #572 wheatdogg

Did he deliberately forget about the other 6.7 billion people on Earth? WTF are they doing? Sleeping?

Since his "argument" is based on the relationship of number of people to amount of land (i.e., population density), they would only make a difference if the rest of the planet were significantly more thickly settled than the U.S. is.

578 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:52:11am

Anyone have some extra money to spend at a cool art auction?

A painting done collectively by all four Beatles when the band was on tour in Japan in 1966, plus original artwork by rock legend Frank Zappa and contracts and a black leather jacket from the late rapper Biggie Smalls (aka “The Notorious B.I.G”) will headline a three-day auction extravaganza scheduled for Sept. 13-15 by Philip Weiss Auctions.

The auction will be held in Philip Weiss Auctions’ spacious gallery, located at #1 Neil Court in Oceanside, N.Y. The music memorabilia will be part of the event’s sandwich day – Friday, Sept. 14, starting at 2 p.m. (EST). The day will also feature ocean liner and transportation collectibles, and Hollywood memorabilia, to include magazine cover art from the '20s and ‘30s.

579 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:52:43am

Here's some population density data from Wikipedia.

Australia: 3 people/sq-km
Canada: 4
USA: 34
China: 141
India: 382

The thought-experiment would almost be valid if every country in the world had a population density at or below the USA's. But, facts is facts.

580 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:52:54am
581 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:53:52am

re: #580 Gus

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Crack heads need to make pipes.

582 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:54:03am

re: #575 Cannadian Club Akbar

I remember reading Time or Newsweek years ago saying there would be wars over water.

The likelihood that military conflicts will be triggered over natural resources will continue to increase as the climate continues to change.

583 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:56:36am

re: #582 Kronocide

The likelihood that military conflicts will be triggered over natural resources will continue to increase as the climate continues to change.

The story I read was from 1980 or so. But you have a very valid point.

584 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:57:01am

re: #581 Cannadian Club Akbar

Crack heads need to make pipes.

I get the feeling that this might be the lowest rated convention ever. I'll add the DNC to that too. Something about inversion. The more money they pour in the lower the interest.

585 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:57:26am

You gotta be kind of a wonk just to want to watch it anyway.

586 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:58:54am

re: #585 Gus

You gotta be kind of a wonk just to want to watch it anyway.

That would be most of us just because we want to see them fuck up.

587 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 7:59:23am

They're still going on about that cop.

588 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:02:12am

re: #586 Cannadian Club Akbar

That would be most of us just because we want to see them fuck up.

I just like self torture... what's that called... masochism.

589 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:02:30am

re: #588 Gus

I just like self torture... what's that called... masochism.

Political masochism!

590 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:02:51am

Me to my friend: I put 2 yogurts off to the side (10 total), please don't eat them. Today? One is gone.

591 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:02:56am

re: #587 Gus

They're still going on about that cop.

What cop?

592 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:03:27am

re: #591 Sionainn

What cop?

Bob.
/

593 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:03:59am

re: #591 Sionainn

What cop?

The one that killed the shooter at the Empire State building. They're complaining that he injured 9 people Keep seeing this on and off.

594 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:04:32am

Like this:

Wow. RT @BreakingNews: Official: All 9 people injured in shooting near NY's Empire State Building were wounded by police gunfire

595 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:04:52am

UVA Declines Obama Campaign Request

A University of Virginia spokeswoman says President Barack Obama will not be at the university when he comes to Charlottesville on Wednesday. In a statement released Friday, it was confirmed that the university declined the president's request to speak at UVA.

UVA says the Obama campaign requested the use of one of two outdoor venues - the Amphitheater or the Harrison-Small Library plaza. The university declined the request for a number of reasons including class cancellations, which UVA estimates could be more than 186 classes on the second day of school. The other main reason is they would have to take on the full cost of security, and because of university policy and their federal and state tax exempt status, they would have to offer the same opportunity to the other candidate so as not to show favor for either candidate.

...Meanwhile, Albemarle County Police Chief Steve Sellers says they know of a "proposed" location, but can't say where because of Secret Service restrictions. It could be the nTelos Wireless Pavilion.

nTelos Wireless Pavilion General Manager Kirby Hutto tells NBC29 they've been asked to save the date, but nothing's been confirmed. Regardless of where or when it is, the Obama campaign office says it's ready.

The Pavilion would be an excellent place. I was there last night. Lots of room in a historic area of Charlottesville.

596 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:07:28am

Just an excuse for the cop haters. "Cops are bad, m'kay."

597 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:08:40am

I mean it's bad that he injured these people but you got to think things out.

598 NJDhockeyfan  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:09:01am

re: #596 Gus

Just an excuse for the cop haters. "Cops are bad, m'kay."

If the cops didn't do anything and the scumbag went a killed a few people the cops would have been under fire. They can't win.

599 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:09:42am

re: #598 NJDhockeyfan

If the cops didn't do anything and the scumbag went a killed a few people the cops would have been under fire. They can't win.

Exactly. It was probably unavoidable. Don't know.

600 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:10:47am

re: #593 Gus

The one that killed the shooter at the Empire State building. They're complaining that he injured 9 people Keep seeing this on and off.

Ah, okay. I didn't realize until last night that the wounded bystanders had been shot by the cop/cops. My dad and I were talking about it this morning and he made the remark that this should highlight for everyone the reason why more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons, thinking that they are going to stop some shooter somewhere. If the trained professionals end up hitting bystanders, what makes these cowboys think that they are going to do any better?

601 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:10:56am

re: #579 wheatdogg

Here's some population density data from Wikipedia.

Australia: 3 people/sq-km
Canada: 4
USA: 34
China: 141
India: 382

The thought-experiment would almost be valid if every country in the world had a population density at or below the USA's. But, facts is facts.

The relevant measure is the world population density as a whole, not the densities of individual countries. That number (52 when you leave out Antarctica) is greater than the U.S. population density (34), but not enough to make a serious difference in the original "argument", which after all is that you could fit everybody in the U.S. into Plymouth, Massachusetts. It hardly makes a difference to instead assume a population that could fit into 1 and a half Plymouths.

The real problem with the argument lies elsewhere, as allegro has pointed out.

602 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:14:06am

re: #600 Sionainn

Ah, okay. I didn't realize until last night that the wounded bystanders had been shot by the cop/cops. My dad and I were talking about it this morning and he made the remark that this should highlight for everyone the reason why more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons, thinking that they are going to stop some shooter somewhere. If the trained professionals end up hitting bystanders, what makes these cowboys think that they are going to do any better?

Could be. I think it's an odd way to make that point. Now what? So we're also going to complain about the cop that killed the perp because he was a lousy shot? They seem to be almost celebrating that the cop injured these people

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:16:19am

re: #600 Sionainn

Ah, okay. I didn't realize until last night that the wounded bystanders had been shot by the cop/cops. My dad and I were talking about it this morning and he made the remark that this should highlight for everyone the reason why more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons, thinking that they are going to stop some shooter somewhere. If the trained professionals end up hitting bystanders, what makes these cowboys think that they are going to do any better?

Disagree. People who have C/C permits are generally the ones you find at the range practicing. But I get your point.

604 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:17:10am

No wonder...

605 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:17:22am

I give up. Humans.

606 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:18:20am

re: #600 Sionainn

Ah, okay. I didn't realize until last night that the wounded bystanders had been shot by the cop/cops. My dad and I were talking about it this morning and he made the remark that this should highlight for everyone the reason why more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons, thinking that they are going to stop some shooter somewhere. If the trained professionals end up hitting bystanders, what makes these cowboys think that they are going to do any better?

It also illustrates why a CC permit needs to go hand in hand with a massive umbrella policy.

607 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:19:00am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar

Disagree. People who have C/C permits are generally the ones you find at the range practicing. But I get your point.

Cops practice too. And they make mistakes. Which is is the point.

608 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:20:39am

re: #602 Gus

Could be. I think it's an odd way to make that point. Now what? So we're also going to complain about the cop that killed the perp because he was a lousy shot? They seem to be almost celebrating that the cop injured these people

It sure seems that way (on twitter). I saw the surveillance video and the police were pretty close to the guy. If they can miss (and I wonder how many bullets were in the guy, did any pass through him and hit other people), what makes other people think they'd do better? It's much different shooting at a range and being in a dynamic situation. Reminds me of the people who think cops should shoot the gun out of someone's hand or hit them in the leg or something.

609 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:20:54am

re: #607 Kronocide

Cops practice too. And they make mistakes. Which is is the point.

Agree. And they are under more stress.

610 wheat-dogg  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:22:08am

re: #601 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Yeah, I got allegro's point. Whether you're talking population or overall pop density into account, the reasoning fails.

611 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:22:14am

re: #608 Sionainn

It sure seems that way (on twitter). I saw the surveillance video and the police were pretty close to the guy. If they can miss (and I wonder how many bullets were in the guy, did any pass through him and hit other people), what makes other people think they'd do better? It's much different shooting at a range and being in a dynamic situation. Reminds me of the people who think cops should shoot the gun out of someone's hand or hit them in the leg or something.

That only works in the movies.:)

612 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:23:18am

If only we banned all guns! Kumbaya!

//

613 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:23:31am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar

Disagree. People who have C/C permits are generally the ones you find at the range practicing. But I get your point.

Shooting at a range is completely different than the situation in New York (or Aurora for that matter). The people who go on and on about how someone with a gun in the theater (or school, etc.) could have taken out the shooter don't seem to be dealing in the real world.

614 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:25:20am

re: #606 goddamnedfrank

It also illustrates why a CC permit needs to go hand in hand with a massive umbrella policy.

It took me a minute to get it (wondering what the heck umbrellas had to do with anything, lol). Yes, I agree.

615 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:25:22am

re: #613 Sionainn

Shooting at a range is completely different than the situation in New York (or Aurora for that matter). The people who go on and on about how someone with a gun in the theater (or school, etc.) could have taken out the shooter don't seem to be dealing in the real world.

When you pull a gun, you had better be ready to take a life. Not easy for normal people.

616 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:26:34am

re: #613 Sionainn

Shooting at a range is completely different than the situation in New York (or Aurora for that matter). The people who go on and on about how someone with a gun in the theater (or school, etc.) could have taken out the shooter don't seem to be dealing in the real world.

I agree. After Aurora, I heard people saying "If only someone had a gun it could have been stopped." You're in a crowded and dark theater with gunfire. Heck we know what happened in Arizona when a CCW permit holder put one out. The guy nearly got shot himself.

617 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:26:48am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar

Disagree. People who have C/C permits are generally the ones you find at the range practicing. But I get your point.

I should point out that I also said "more" as in more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons. It's not going to make us any more safe.

618 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:28:16am
619 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:29:21am

re: #618 Gus

Oh it gets better...

One of the NYPD officers in Empire State Building shooting suing New York

...

Craig Matthews, 39, one of the two New York City Police
Department officers who shot and helped take down the shooter at the Empire State Building yesterday, is currently involved in a lawsuit against the NYPD.

The New York Post reported today that Bronx cop, Craig Matthews, a 14-year veteran with the force who was on an anti-terror patrol yesterday, filed that lawsuit against the NYPD in February. Matthews claimed in the suit that his First Amendment rights were violated when, after exposing the quota system, his superiors subjected him to “harassment and retaliation.”

620 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:29:36am

re: #571 allegro

When a human can survive on the resources provided within a cubic yard, maybe this could be taken somewhat seriously. Let's put the author of this little piece of brilliance in that size of an airtight box and see how long he makes it.

Reminds me that without any kind of combustion, chemistry, refining or machinery beavers can built structures visible from space and alter the face of the planet more than any other single species save man. The idea that our physical size and numbers somehow intrinsically limits our impact capacity is simply ridiculous.

621 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:30:30am

re: #617 Sionainn

I should point out that I also said "more" as in more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons. It's not going to make us any more safe.

Most C/C permit carriers know responsible ownership. But there are those who are idiots.

622 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:31:17am

re: #618 Gus

Oh it gets better...

One of the NYPD officers in Empire State Building shooting suing New York

Sounds like a rotten system, expecting a certain number of arrests from officers.

623 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:31:23am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar

Disagree. People who have C/C permits are generally the ones you find at the range practicing. But I get your point.

Some? Yes. Others? Not so much. Still others? Don't really know what happens when they put their booger hook on the bang switch. Sometimes it is easy to think one in the first category is really in the last category by the way they act at the range. And then there are those that practice with ammo that is barely able to cycle their weapon but think they can go out with SuperDuper +P+ firebreathing JHPs...

I've seen way too many idiots with CC permits.

624 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:33:13am

re: #621 Cannadian Club Akbar

Most C/C permit carriers know responsible ownership. But there are those who are idiots.

Just what I want...idiots with guns in public places with a lot of people around.

625 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:34:14am

re: #617 Sionainn

I should point out that I also said "more" as in more people don't need to be running around with concealed weapons. It's not going to make us any more safe.

I generally agree.. But during my stay in Oklahoma it should be pointed out almost everybody it seems is carrying a gun. The first time I went to the store here there was a sign, 'no guns allowed' Didn't see that coming.
I figure somebody pulls out a gun here on the streets it will turn into a high noon Western style shoot-out. Perfect for Youtube.
/

626 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:35:33am

re: #624 Sionainn

Just what I want...idiots with guns in public places with a lot of people around.

They're already out there. Most of them don't have CCWs.

627 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:36:28am

re: #623 William Barnett-Lewis

Most of the people I know with C/C permits are women. Sisters, nieces, etc. They are well trained in their common sense and marksmanship.

628 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:36:34am

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with someone being able to bring a gun to a bar. Just sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO.

629 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:36:59am

re: #625 Digital Display

I generally agree.. But during my stay in Oklahoma it should be pointed out almost everybody it seems is carrying a gun. The first time I went to the store here there was a sign, 'no guns allowed' Didn't see that coming.
I figure somebody pulls out a gun here on the streets it will turn into a high noon Western style shoot-out. Perfect for Youtube.
/

My state is an open carry state. Saw some yahoo in the grocery story with his gun holstered at his side.

630 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:37:08am

re: #626 Gus

They're already out there. Most of them don't have CCWs.

DING!!!!

631 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:37:54am

re: #628 HappyWarrior

Personally, I'm uncomfortable with someone being able to bring a gun to a bar. Just sounds like a recipe for disaster IMO.

In Florida you can't bring one into a bar.

632 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:38:13am

re: #627 Cannadian Club Akbar

Most of the people I know with C/C permits are women. Sisters, nieces, etc. They are well trained in their common sense and marksmanship.

I noticed that all the people clamoring for more people being armed after any of these major shootings and how someone could have taken out the shooter had the public been allowed to be armed aren't women.

633 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:38:33am

re: #631 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida you can't bring one into a bar.

Then Florida has the right law. Other states permit it though.

634 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:38:51am

re: #626 Gus

They're already out there. Most of them don't have CCWs.

True.

635 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:39:23am

re: #631 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida you can't bring one into a bar.

But you can bring one into the Republican National Convention, right?

636 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:40:49am

re: #632 Sionainn

I noticed that all the people clamoring for more people being armed after any of these major shootings and how someone could have taken out the shooter had the public been allowed to be armed aren't women.

I fear my sisters. Kinda.:) (actually, my sister Tammy will cap a mother fucker and not break a sweat)

637 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:41:02am

re: #625 Digital Display

I generally agree.. But during my stay in Oklahoma it should be pointed out almost everybody it seems is carrying a gun. The first time I went to the store here there was a sign, 'no guns allowed' Didn't see that coming.
I figure somebody pulls out a gun here on the streets it will turn into a high noon Western style shoot-out. Perfect for Youtube.
/

I'd probably carry a gun in Oklahoma too:

A portable meth lab exploded in an Oklahoma man's pants Friday during a scuffle with a state trooper.

David Williams ran from a police officer who noticed a chemical smell as he was issuing a speeding ticket to the driver of the SUV that Williams was a passenger in, KOTV reported.

The officer caught up with Williams and in the ensuing struggle, an "active meth lab" he had been hiding in his pants burst, Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper Shiloh Hall told the station.

Level of difficulty = not the Onion.

638 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:41:20am

re: #635 Sionainn

But you can bring one into the Republican National Convention, right?

Not to the event.

639 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:41:40am

re: #631 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida you can't bring one into a bar.

Note to self: Send email to Plaxico about Florida.

640 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:41:50am

re: #632 Sionainn

I noticed that all the people clamoring for more people being armed after any of these major shootings and how someone could have taken out the shooter had the public been allowed to be armed aren't women.

Now that's an awkward sentence!

641 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:42:33am

re: #639 Digital Display

Note to self: Send email to Plaxico about Florida.

Well played, sir!!!

642 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:46:12am

re: #631 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Florida you can't bring one into a bar.

But you can bring one to the RNC.

643 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:47:09am

Clearly all of this gun crime is the fault of Republicans.

//

644 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:48:22am
645 dragonfire1981  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:49:08am

re: #620 goddamnedfrank

Reminds me that without any kind of combustion, chemistry, refining or machinery beavers can built structures visible from space and alter the face of the planet more than any other single species save man. The idea that our physical size and numbers somehow intrinsically limits our impact capacity is simply ridiculous.

See? We knew what we were doing when we chose our (Canada's) national mascot. :P

646 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:49:58am

Uh oh. About the perp:

Internet records list him as administrator of the website for a business called St. Jolly’s Art, which sold iron-on art for T-shirts, including stylized drawings of fighter planes, muscle cars and ships.

Johnson was also part of a community of bird watchers and photographers who document hawks and other wildlife living in Central Park, a few blocks from his home. In an email to another bird watcher, who works at The Associated Press, Johnson wrote tenderly about spending a winter night watching ducks in the park.

[Link: www.stjollysart.com...]

647 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:51:10am

re: #642 darthstar

But you can bring one to the RNC.

No. There is a barrier.

648 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:51:19am

re: #620 goddamnedfran k

Reminds me that without any kind of combustion, chemistry, refining or machinery beavers can built structures visible from space and alter the face of the planet more than any other single species save man. The idea that our physical size and numbers somehow intrinsically limits our impact capacity is simply ridiculous.

I just did a little research and came to the conclusion that the lethal dose of the poison ricin weighs about the same as a medium-length human head hair. This clearly indicates that the lethal dose of ricin is too small to actually have an affect on anyone's health.

//

(P.S., and no, I'm not saying that human beings are comparable to a poison derived from beans.)

649 dragonfire1981  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:51:31am

re: #635 Sionainn

But you can bring one into the Republican National Convention, right?

Reminds me of that Simpsons episode (I think it was Who Shot Mr. Burns?) where everyone is going to a town all meeting packing heat (because they hate Burns). They have metal detectors out front and when someone goes through and DOESN'T set it off, they hand him a gun and make him go back through!

Seemed pretty unrealistic and comical at the time but...

650 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:52:18am

re: #643 Gus

Clearly all of this gun crime is the fault of Republicans.

//

You want a rousing Convention that doesn't mess around?
Country Music, Pricey Booze, Soaring speeches and lots of Guns.
You don't fuck around with a Party like that..
//

651 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:52:49am

re: #649 dragonfire1981

And Homer went to a range called Blood, Bath and Beyond. Heh.

652 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:53:28am

Still more fallout from the Judge Tom Head's now world-famous comments on civil war, Obama, and UN armored forces:

Cartoon from Nick Anderson

Yesterday, a nice Republican lady told me Judge Head should be thanked for saying "what many people in Lubbock County believe but don't have the guts to say."
We can't let the GOP get away with tossing Tom under the bus and pretending he is an isolated whack-job whose views do not reflect those of a sizable fraction of the local party. The infamous Lubbock GOP platform doesn't mention civil war or UN invaders but it is clearly influenced by the same conspiracist world view. The state platform specifically addresses "agenda 21" and other JBS conspiracy claims.
Judge Head seems surprised at the intensity of the response, as though he expected these ideas to be viewed as controversial but not as insane or bizarre. This would be understandable if he spends a lot of time in a bubble where these views in fact are the norm.

653 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:54:10am

re: #650 Digital Display

You want a rousing Convention that doesn't mess around?
Country Music, Pricey Booze, Soaring speeches and lots of Guns.
You don't fuck around with a Party like that..
//

This sounds like a weekend at my house.
/

654 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:54:46am

re: #645 dragonfire1981

See? We knew what we were doing when we chose our (Canada's) national mascot. :P

655 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:54:50am

re: #642 darthstar

But you can bring one to the RNC.

I looked it up after reading CCA's comment and found that they will apparently be allowed all around the outside of the convention center, but not inside. Your text to link...

656 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:55:04am
657 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:55:06am

re: #644 darthstar

Navy SEAL Team Six Author Receives Death Threats After Fox News Publishes His Name bit.ly/U1CVZH

If some nutbar was stupid enough to attack the guy I know which one of them I would place my bet on to be the one left lying in his own blood.

658 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:55:51am

re: #647 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. There is a barrier.

That only stops legitimate guns.

659 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:56:58am

re: #658 darthstar

That only stops legitimate guns.

It's the RNC. Minorities aren't allowed.
What?
///

660 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:57:13am

Honestly I didn't know Ruth Buzzi was still alive...and she's still funny.

661 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:57:49am

re: #652 Shiplord Kirel

Still more fallout from the Judge Tom Head's now world-famous comments on civil war, Obama, and UN armored forces:

Cartoon from Nick Anderson

Yesterday, a nice Republican lady told me Judge Head should be thanked for saying "what many people in Lubbock County believe but don't have the guts to say."
We can't let the GOP get away with tossing Tom under the bus and pretending he is an isolated whack-job whose views do not reflect those of a sizable fraction of the local party. The infamous Lubbock GOP platform doesn't mention civil war or UN invaders but it is clearly influenced by the same conspiracist world view. The state platform specifically addresses "agenda 21" and other JBS conspiracy claims.
Judge Head seems surprised at the intensity of the response, as though he expected these ideas to be viewed as controversial but not as insane or bizarre. This would be understandable if he spends a lot of time in a bubble where these views in fact are the norm.

I'm still banking on the USS Lubbock. In addition to the aircraft carrier I think they should get a submarine.

662 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:58:40am

Surely don't care for foolish jokes about global imperialism set to destroy American sovereignty and prosperity!!!

//

663 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 8:58:42am

re: #660 darthstar

That is fucking funny!!!

664 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:05:05am

Wut?

665 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:05:26am

Oh. Never mind. I thought Romney said that.

666 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:06:43am

While at the store I picked up a package of tennis balls. My Beelza-buddy was losing his doggie mind before I even got it open. 'Tis pandemonium here now with him playing toss-catch-chase-spin-growl all by himself throughout the abode. He's so easy to entertain.

667 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:06:56am

I've signed up for extreme positions whether I believe them or not!
-- Mitt Romney

That is kind of funny.

668 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:09:55am
669 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:10:12am

re: #665 Gus

Oh. Never mind. I thought Romney said that.

He will say that Monday.

670 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:10:22am

My friend is an idiot. And the other guy ain't splitting atoms either.

671 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:11:24am

re: #669 darthstar

He will say that Monday.

In so many words. Heck, he already has.

672 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:13:16am
Anyway, it's obviously not racist. In fact, it's more racist to call it racist.

That's about as far as I can get.

673 SpaceJesus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:15:01am

I gotta say, this is the best purchase I've made in a while

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

674 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:15:56am

I'm in recovery mode from Friday night at the Moose Lodge.
I'm going to miss my new friends in Oklahoma. There were way to many shots being bought and too many goodbyes said.
It's an exciting period for me but it sucks with friends.

675 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:16:18am
676 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:16:58am
677 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:16:59am

re: #674 Digital Display

I'm in recovery mode from Friday night at the Moose Lodge.
I'm going to miss my new friends in Oklahoma. There were way to many shots being bought and too many goodbyes said.
It's an exciting period for me but it sucks with friends.

Were now?

678 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:20:38am

These bozos defending Romney. Plus the fact that they're all very... white.

679 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:21:21am

re: #677 Cannadian Club Akbar

Were now?

I'm taking my inheritance, Quitting my job and moving to a place in the middle of nowhere. Starting a new life.
After I get moved I'll reveal where it is.

680 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:21:40am
681 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:21:46am
682 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:22:06am

re: #680 Sionainn

Snake cake.

Ewwwww.

683 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:22:35am

re: #682 Gus

Ewwwww.

I'd love to make this for one of my girls for their birthday.

684 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:22:48am

re: #678 Gus

These bozos defending Romney. Plus the fact that they're all very... white.

RACIST.

Ann Althouse

685 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:23:45am
686 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:24:13am

re: #685 Gus

[Embedded content]

Follow this guy ---> @RepealtheLSEA

687 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:24:32am

Wouldn't it be funny if the impending RNC threatening storm system was named Ernesto or some other Spanish name?

Too bad.

688 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:24:48am

re: #680 Sionainn

Snake cake.

Wow! That is a phenomenal job of cake artistry!

689 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:25:21am

re: #684 Kronocide

RACIST.

Ann Althouse

"I was a racist and didn't know it!"

Derp.

690 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:25:34am

re: #679 Digital Display

I'm taking my inheritance, Quitting my job and moving to a place in the middle of nowhere. Starting a new life.
After I get moved I'll reveal where it is.

You rock!!!

691 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:27:48am

re: #688 allegro

Wow! That is a phenomenal job of cake artistry!

I suspect there's airbrushing and fondant involved, two things I haven't worked with before.

692 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:30:20am

re: #690 Cannadian Club Akbar

You rock!!!

I'm going to buy a really big Truck so I can haul shit around the property.
Really.. I'm going all Green Acres.
The Rat Race is over.. The Rats won.

694 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:31:16am

re: #692 Digital Display

I'm going to buy a really big Truck so I can haul shit around the property.
Really.. I'm going all Green Acres.
The Rat Race is over.. The Rats won.

It sounds great...and I'm jealous!

695 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:31:52am

re: #693 Gus

Is hurricane Issac a message from God to the Republican Party?

//

Does that look like what I think it does or is it just me?

696 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:32:46am

re: #695 Sionainn

Does that look like what I think it does or is it just me?

What is it?

697 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:33:14am

re: #695 Sionainn

Does that look like what I think it does or is it just me?

Fear the Uterati!

698 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:33:39am

Breaking: Uterus shaped hurricane makes a beeline for the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Florida.

//

699 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:34:24am

re: #696 Gus

What is it?

Looks like the side drawing of a uterus.

700 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:34:51am

re: #693 Gus

Is hurricane Issac a message from God to the Republican Party?

//

Note: Isaac is from the Hebrew Yitzhaq, which means "he laughs". It's not hard to imagine God laughing at the Republican Party, though crying in despair is also a possibility.

701 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:35:10am

re: #699 Sionainn

Looks like the side drawing of a uterus.

702 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:35:44am

re: #701 Gus

[Embedded content]

Hahaha!

703 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:36:38am

On that note, I'll BBL.

704 The Left  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:36:41am

re: #662 Gus

Surely don't care for foolish jokes about global imperialism set to destroy American sovereignty and prosperity!!!

//

Don't call me Surely. Shirley.

705 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:36:52am

re: #702 Sionainn

Hahaha!

It's a message from Gaia!

//

706 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:37:26am

re: #704 Millicent Islam

Don't call me Surely. Shirley.

707 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:38:01am

re: #704 Millicent Islam

Don't call me Surely. Shirley.

What's up? I'm still kind of inebriated.

708 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:38:05am

re: #695 Sionainn

Does that look like what I think it does or is it just me?

Lady parts!

709 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:38:22am
710 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:38:27am
711 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:41:51am

re: #600 Sionainn

They are professional law officers, not professional shooters. Not enough hours in the day for both. In a vehicle pursuit do we expect them to be able to drive like a pro racer? Nope. We cut back on how closely they chase and use the helicopter to keep up as needed. Police have a tendency to fire and fire and shoot to empty not "shoot and evaluate" like what comes up in a good CCW class.

As I wrote before that's hard to train up to.

712 darthstar  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:42:15am
713 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:43:30am

Well, I had the pleasant surprise to get a message on my facebook wall this morning. My state rep is sponsoring legislation to fix the loophole that would allow a rapist to sue for custody.

Yes, he's a Republican.

714 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:44:04am

re: #713 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, I had the pleasant surprise to get a message on my facebook wall this morning. My state rep is sponsoring legislation to fix the loophole that would allow a rapist to sue for custody.

Yes, he's a Republican.

Oh for crying out loud. That's disgusting.

715 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:44:14am

re: #712 darthstar

Romney: "It seems that the first victim of an Obama campaign is the truth."

Chronicling Mitt's Mendacity, Vol. XXXI

716 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:45:32am

re: #713 Mostly sane, most of the time.

How does he justify that?

717 The Left  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:47:54am

re: #707 Gus

What's up? I'm still kind of inebriated.

It's Saturday! We're working on inebritiation drunkenness too!

718 allegro  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:48:16am

re: #716 jaunte

How does he justify that?

I read it that he is trying to close that loophole - a good thing. Am I wrong?

720 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:49:35am

re: #716 jaunte

How does he justify that?

He was probably unaware that Oregon's laws would have allowed a rapist to sue for custody. This last week has brought it to all of our attention (honestly--did you know? I would never have dreamed that a rapist could sue for custody), and so now he's drafting legislation.

I think the legislature is out of session, though, so it will have to wait until February. Still, they can get started.

721 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:49:46am

re: #718 allegro

Ah right, I read that wrongly. More coffee!

722 danarchy  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:50:30am

re: #716 jaunte

How does he justify that?

re: #714 Gus

Oh for crying out loud. That's disgusting.

I read that as there is an existing loophole that they are trying to remove. Did I read wrong?

723 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:50:30am

re: #721 jaunte

Ah right, I read that wrongly. More coffee!

Yeah, this guy is the father of three small girls, so you can imagine how he feels about it.

724 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:51:09am

re: #714 Gus

Oh for crying out loud. That's disgusting.

No, no, he's fixing the loophole, not widening it.

725 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:51:18am

re: #721 jaunte

Ah right, I read that wrongly. More coffee!

Oh. Oops.

Oops.

More coffee!!

726 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:51:26am

re: #723 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Me too; though not so small any more.

727 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:51:30am

re: #717 Millicent Islam

Hello there.
In my time zone I better wait a bit before drinking. (Not quite 10:00am) But Bucketheads album Colma and a smoke will do for now. And it's Satireday!

728 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:52:20am

re: #726 jaunte

Me too; though not so small any more.

His are young enough that when he marched in the Garlic Parade (yes, you read that right), he was carrying one on his shoulders.

729 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:53:48am

Anti-gay pastor Grant Storms convicted of masturbating in New Orleans park

An anti-gay pastor in New Orleans was convicted of masturbating in a public park last year, telling authorities in his confession that the sex act was a "thrill" and a "fantasy."

Grant Storms, who gained notoriety by leading a raucous march against homosexuals during New Orleans' annual gay-oriented Southern Decadence festival, was found guilty of obscenity on Wednesday for the Feb. 25, 2011, incident.

Storms was busted in Lafreniere Park in suburban Metairie after a nanny spotted him behind the wheel of his parked van with his penis out and a hat partially covering his face.

After he was arrested, the 55-year-old preacher admitted to cops that it was the third time that week he had pleasured himself in the park, the New Orleans Times-Picayune reported...

730 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:54:14am

re: #717 Millicent Islam

It's Saturday! We're working on inebritiation drunkenness too!

Thought maybe your laptop overheated. ;)

731 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:56:40am
732 sagehen  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:57:37am

Romney's Angry-Black-Man Strategy Is No Surprise
[Link: www.esquire.com...]

"If he blows that dog-whistle any louder, Seamus may return from that great roof-rack in the sky."

733 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:57:40am
734 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 9:58:35am

re: #733 Gus

That Adam & Steve line never gets old for them.

735 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:00:12am

re: #734 jaunte

That Adam & Steve line never gets old for them.

Dey tuk er jobs!

736 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:02:01am

re: #711 Daniel Ballard

They are professional law officers, not professional shooters. Not enough hours in the day for both. In a vehicle pursuit do we expect them to be able to drive like a pro racer? Nope. We cut back on how closely they chase and use the helicopter to keep up as needed. Police have a tendency to fire and fire and shoot to empty not "shoot and evaluate" like what comes up in a good CCW class.

As I wrote before that's hard to train up to.

Every police force in the country seems to think it needs military-grade weapons, vehicles, and SWAT tactics to serve traffic warrants, but doesn't train officers on how (and/or when) to use the shit without taking out half the people they're supposedly protecting. There are no shades of grey between a civilian police officer and a soldier; there is a huge thick black line, but the police seem to want all the military toys with very little of the requisite training, and none of the accountability for when playtime goes bad.

737 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:04:28am

re: #734 jaunte

That Adam & Steve line never gets old for them.

Need moar rhymes, can't remember thinks.

738 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:07:25am

re: #527 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. I know I've posted this quote a lot but it fits here:

"Conspiracism is the sign of a mind in flight from reality." - Jonathan Kay

Most birthers are what Kay calls "failed historian" conspiracists. For them, the idea of Obama being born in Kenya is a way to refuse to accept that a left-liberal black man was elected President of the United States. Making Obama illegitimate in their minds allows them to avoid facing reality.

Doesn't that just make things worse? A left-liberal (well, sort of, in some lights, if you squint just right) black man from KENYA was elected president. How does this help?

739 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:09:02am

re: #738 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, now you're using logic.

740 Kronocide  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:09:41am

Confirmed: Hurricane Isaac a message from God

741 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:10:49am

re: #593 Gus

The one that killed the shooter at the Empire State building. They're complaining that he injured 9 people Keep seeing this on and off.

It is rather a lot of people.

742 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:11:52am

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

It is rather a lot of people.

I know. But using it as an excuse to condemn cops and make generalizations is pretty lame.

743 Mattand  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:13:42am

re: #738 SanFranciscoZionist

Doesn't that just make things worse? A left-liberal (well, sort of, in some lights, if you squint just right) black man from KENYA was elected president. How does this help?

That's what's been so entertaining about the Great Conservative Meltdown. As has been repeated ad nauseum, Reagan should be a pariah to the conservatives today.

744 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:14:53am

re: #736 What Would Spalding Gray Do?

Every police force in the country seems to think it needs military-grade weapons, vehicles, and SWAT tactics to serve traffic warrants, but doesn't train officers on how (and/or when) to use the shit without taking out half the people they're supposedly protecting. There are no shades of grey between a civilian police officer and a soldier; there is a huge thick black line, but the police seem to want all the military toys with very little of the requisite training, and none of the accountability for when playtime goes bad.

President Bil Clinton thinned that black line with his "100,000 police officers" program. It was used to elevate the capabilities of PD's not just add police. The military spec ops guys started cross training with PD's. The country was gearing up for terror attacks and drug raids, needed or not. I remember articles at the time decrying the militarization of police capacities. Then we had the North Hollywood bank heist. Then 911. Then the Patriot act and Homeland security.


That (IMHO) is more how we got here than local PD"s motivating any of this. Agree? Disagree?

745 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:15:23am

re: #733 Gus

Here's an image of their psycho protest. Check out these peoples faces. Wow.

Image: grant-storms-bourbon-streetjpg-79ca2fb69919934f.jpg

Wow! That one whacko looks like his head is going to cook off and explode any second.

Don't you freaks know there are Russian subs lurking right out in the Gulf ready to fry your asses with nukular missiles? It's warhead not giving head you should be worried about!


(Full frontal reality is obviously too much for them, so I'm trying to coax them back to sanity a tiny step at a time: Cold war hysteria is downright reasonable compared to what these whackdoodles are pushing now.)

746 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:16:12am

re: #742 Gus

Honestly, this is a weird case for people to go anti-cop on, to me. I wish people paid more attention to times when cops actually shoot people on purpose, or steal possessions, etc., rather than criticizing them for having bad aim and/or bad judgement.

Mistakes should prompt discussions about policy.

747 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:16:20am

re: #728 Mostly sane, most of the time.

His are young enough that when he marched in the Garlic Parade (yes, you read that right), he was carrying one on his shoulders.

You have a Garlic Parade? Down here, we have the Gilroy Garlic Festival.

748 Sionainn  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:17:00am

re: #732 sagehen

Romney's Angry-Black-Man Strategy Is No Surprise
[Link: www.esquire.com...]

"If he blows that dog-whistle any louder, Seamus may return from that great roof-rack in the sky."

What's so amusing is the fact that Obama is so incredibly calm, cool, and collected all.the.time.

749 Daniel Ballard  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:18:29am

re: #746 Obdicut

Honestly, this is a weird case for people to go anti-cop on, to me. I wish people paid more attention to times when cops actually shoot people on purpose, or steal possessions, etc., rather than criticizing them for having bad aim and/or bad judgement.

Mistakes should prompt discussions about policy.

Yes! Did you see this page and the comments?

750 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:18:42am

re: #746 Obdicut

Honestly, this is a weird case for people to go anti-cop on, to me. I wish people paid more attention to times when cops actually shoot people on purpose, or steal possessions, etc., rather than criticizing them for having bad aim and/or bad judgement.

Mistakes should prompt discussions about policy.

Here's an example of the stupid I'm seeing:

You know we live in a police state when a criminal shoots one person, and police respond by shooting 8 more...

Seriously. Dumb.

751 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:19:41am

re: #733 Gus

Here's an image of their psycho protest. Check out these peoples faces. Wow.

Image: grant-storms-bourbon-streetjpg-79ca2fb69919934f.jpg

They misspelled "judgment." There's only one e.

Pet peeve.

752 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:20:40am

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

You have a Garlic Parade? Down here, we have the Gilroy Garlic Festival.

Friend of mine's daughter was runner-up Gilroy Garlic Queen this year.

753 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:21:15am

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

You have a Garlic Parade? Down here, we have the Gilroy Garlic Festival.

All the talk about local festivals got me thinking about the farmer's market.

I took a little break, and now I'm the proud owner of 2 pints of Oregon strawberries.

Booyah.

754 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:21:22am

The Adam and Steve argument amuses me always. So if it been Adam & Jenny, would it be okay because there's no male name that rhymes with Jenny? Oops there's Benny but after all a name's just a name.

755 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:21:43am

re: #751 Mostly sane, most of the time.

They misspelled "judgment." There's only one e.

Pet peeve.

Hmm. Now that I look again I think the mean faced guy might be a cop.

*Not intended as an anti-cop statement. ;)

756 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:22:05am

re: #733 Gus

Here's an image of their psycho protest. Check out these peoples faces. Wow.

Image: grant-storms-bourbon-streetjpg-79ca2fb69919934f.jpg

re: #733 Gus

Here's an image of their psycho protest. Check out these peoples faces. Wow.

Image: grant-storms-bourbon-streetjpg-79ca2fb69919934f.jpg

Is someone seriously trying to tell me that the man on the left, in the shiny pirate shirt and beret, is unironically marching in an anti-gay parade?

757 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:22:50am

re: #756 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #733 Gus

Is someone seriously trying to tell me that the man on the left, in the shiny pirate shirt and beret, is unironically marching in an anti-gay parade?

New Orleans.

758 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:22:51am

re: #754 HappyWarrior

Then it would be Adam & Benny & The Jets.

759 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:23:42am

re: #749 Daniel Ballard

Yes! Did you see this page and the comments?

No. I'm on vacation. I spent yesterday catching turtles. And releasing them. And I need to go to lunch now.

760 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:24:03am

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

You have a Garlic Parade? Down here, we have the Gilroy Garlic Festival.

Yes, there was one group handing out garlic instead of throwing candy.

The Princess was supposed to be with the high school marching band, but we had had her wisdom teeth removed the day before, so I carried her chair and she just gave moral support by watching.

761 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:25:26am

When I was in SF earlier this month & seeing a game at AT&T park, I had the garlic fries. Very delicious but I really enjoyed the Cha-Cha bowl that they sell at Orlando Cepeda's stand. Definitely up there in ballpark food and quite filling & delicious.

762 wrenchwench  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:26:57am

For the first time since Tuesday I don't have anybody breathing down my neck waiting for me to finish something. Nobody can breathe down my neck now until next Tuesday, and if I work steady between now and then, they won't have to.

I'm not complaining though. Breathing customers are the good kind, unless you have a mortuary.

763 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:28:08am

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

You have a Garlic Parade? Down here, we have the Gilroy Garlic Festival.

Tea Party Garlic Fest!

//

764 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:28:10am

re: #762 wrenchwench

For the first time since Tuesday I don't have anybody breathing down my neck waiting for me to finish something. Nobody can breathe down my neck now until next Tuesday, and if I work steady between now and then, they won't have to.

I'm not complaining though. Breathing customers are the good kind, unless you have a mortuary.

The dead travel fast, according to Bram Stoker, but they generally don't bike.

765 bulldurham  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:30:32am

re: #744 Daniel Ballard

That (IMHO) is more how we got here than local PD"s motivating any of this. Agree? Disagree?

Dan Carlin did a nice podcast on the role of federal funding and the war on drugs in the militarization of police last month: Common Sense #232: Fearsome Safety.

766 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:30:51am

re: #758 jaunte

Then it would be Adam & Benny & The Jets.

Haha indeed.

767 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:31:03am
The dead travel fast, according to Bram Stoker, but they generally don't bike.

[note: marketing opportunity for juvenile vampire novelists]

768 jaunte  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:37:49am
769 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:38:52am

All the drone activity last week paid off
Pakistan investigating whether US drone strike killed top commander of Haqqani network

Two Pakistani intelligence officials said Saturday they are 90 percent certain Badruddin Haqqani was killed Tuesday in North Waziristan. They cite reports from their agents but say they haven’t spoken to anyone who has seen the body.

Key Taliban figure killed in airstrike

The strike in Afghanistan's eastern Kunar province killed Mullah Dadullah, the self-proclaimed Taliban leader in Pakistan's Bajur tribal area that lies across the border, late on Friday afternoon, coalition spokesman Major Martyn Crighton said.

Dadullah reportedly took over after Bajur's former Pakistani Taliban leader, Maulvi Faqir Mohammed, fled to Afghanistan to avoid Pakistani army operations.

He was responsible for the movement of fighters and weapons, as well as attacks against Afghan and coalition forces, according to a coalition statement on Saturday.

It added that Dadullah's deputy, identified only as Shakir, was also killed in the strike along with 10 other militants, and that an assessment made in conjunction with Afghan security forces determined no civilians had been killed or injured.

Drones!

770 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:39:14am

Spastic tubes.

771 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:39:49am

re: #769 Killgore Trout

Mr. Greenwald is probably in mourning right now.

772 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:41:42am

Twit-er:

Obama's killer drones have slaughtered a dozen hungry Somalis.

773 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:42:46am

Here's another:

#Obama has #NDAA and drones.. #Romney has the #ryanplan & 100% support for #israel..what rights?

Gotta through Israel into the mix of course. That probably doesn't mean anything. //

774 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:43:40am

re: #771 Gus

Mr. Greenwald is probably in mourning right now.

Those drones are going to get us out of Afghanistan a hell of a lot faster than Brandley Manning and Wikileaks.

775 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:46:29am

re: #774 Killgore Trout

Those drones are going to get us out of Afghanistan a hell of a lot faster than Brandley Manning and Wikileaks.

But Bradley Manning is a hero and a role model for gays in teh military!!11ty

//

Clueless crunchies.

776 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:47:43am

re: #775 Gus

But Bradley Manning is a hero and a role model for gays in teh military!!11ty

//

Clueless crunchies.

They're persecuting him for being trans. A cis guy would have been allowed to leak massive amounts of classified information without backlash.

///

777 dragonfire1981  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:48:31am

re: #734 jaunte

That Adam & Steve line never gets old for them.

JOHN 3:16

778 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:48:48am

re: #776 SanFranciscoZionist

They're persecuting him for being trans. A cis guy would have been allowed to leak massive amounts of classified information without backlash.

///

So true!

//

779 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:50:32am

Bradley Manning is being persecuted because of the Juice!!11ty

//

780 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:52:31am

I am now the proud owner of Oregon strawberries that have been dipped in chocolate.

Double booyah.

781 Decatur Deb  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:54:57am

re: #762 wrenchwench

For the first time since Tuesday I don't have anybody breathing down my neck waiting for me to finish something. Nobody can breathe down my neck now until next Tuesday, and if I work steady between now and then, they won't have to.

I'm not complaining though. Breathing customers are the good kind, unless you have a mortuary.

Pulsist !!1!. The best customers are paying customers, alive or living-impaired.

782 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:56:14am

re: #779 Gus

Bradley Manning is being persecuted because of the Juice!!11ty

//

Clearly the Zionist conspiracy at work.//

783 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:58:53am

re: #782 HappyWarrior

Clearly the Zionist conspiracy at work.//

It's amazing how the Juice can make you do really abominably stupid things without even getting near you.

They must have a moronomatic ray gun that works from afar.

784 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 10:59:52am

re: #779 Gus

Bradley Manning is being persecuted because of the Juice!!11ty

//

I was just listening to an interview posted on Mondowiess with MJ Rosenberg about how Sheldon Adelson and Mitt are part of the great zionist conspiracy. I only lasted about 10 minutes but it is fascinating how some people think.

785 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 11:01:12am

re: #784 Killgore Trout

I was just listening to an interview posted on Mondowiess with MJ Rosenberg about how Sheldon Adelson and Mitt are part of the great zionist conspiracy. I only lasted about 10 minutes but it is fascinating how some people think.

They always say "Zionist" and not "Jewish" so they can hide behind "Hey we're not Anti-Semitic at all but Anti-Zionist." In my observations usually someone who claims to be Anti-Zionist is likely an Anti-Semite.

786 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 11:01:12am

re: #784 Killgore Trout

I was just listening to an interview posted on Mondowiess with MJ Rosenberg about how Sheldon Adelson and Mitt are part of the great zionist conspiracy. I only lasted about 10 minutes but it is fascinating how some people think.

He's a weirdo...

@MJayRosenberg's account is protected.

LOL

787 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 11:02:18am

re: #783 Mostly sane, most of the time.

It's amazing how the Juice can make you do really abominably stupid things without even getting near you.

They must have a moronomatic ray gun that works from afar.

Well the brilliant thing about conspiracy theories is they only have to make sense to one person. And there's always an answer to every question. Really why a guy like Manning is being made into a cult hero dumbfounds me.

788 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 11:05:09am

re: #785 HappyWarrior

They always say "Zionist" and not "Jewish" so they can hide behind "Hey we're not Anti-Semitic at all but Anti-Zionist." In my observations usually someone who claims to be Anti-Zionist is likely an Anti-Semite.

That's usually the way it works. Israel, like anything else, is imperfect and there's lots criticize but critics usually carry a lot of extra emotional baggage and conspiracy theories.

789 Gus  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 11:05:40am

re: #787 HappyWarrior

Well the brilliant thing about conspiracy theories is they only have to make sense to one person. And there's always an answer to every question. Really why a guy like Manning is being made into a cult hero dumbfounds me.

Because. Supporting Bradley Manning is part of the anti-Imperialist-Zionist-Global-American agenda!

790 HappyWarrior  Sat, Aug 25, 2012 11:07:08am

re: #788 Killgore Trout

That's usually the way it works. Israel, like anything else, is imperfect and there's lots criticize but critics usually carry a lot of extra emotional baggage and conspiracy theories.

Yep. Really though whenever someone tries to make the word Zionist into a slur, I ask why shouldn't the Jewish people have the right to their own state and sovereignty? Usually get some cock and bull answer though.

791 JeffFX  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:52:23am

re: #425 freetoken

Sounds like a disaster in waiting. SyFy doesn't create shows for adults anymore, so expect a kiddy version of Blake's 7.

I'm a B7 fan, but the pacing was so slow that any American version would have to be VERY different from the original.


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Alternet - Nicholas Wade’s Flawed Book Rewrites the History of Scientific Racism
Jon Phillips takes on Nicholas Wade's claims, and proves once again that so called "scientific" racism is little more than a pseudoscience. This was originally posted in September 2014 edition of the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Report, ( ...

1 day, 2 hours ago
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Lumberhead
Angry Letters to the One Member of Congress Who Voted Against the War on Terror - the Atlantic
My first attempt at a page - so here we go: The article is a little long but well worth while. I found it to be nicely balanced with interesting excerpts from supporters as well as detractors. Barbara Lee was ...

2 days, 5 hours ago
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The War TARDIS
Doctor Who “Listen” Open Thread
I'm back. Last week, I couldn't do this thread, as something more important was going on. One of my best friends, a sweet, and very devout Christian, is going to the UK to help a Christian Group in Oxford, and ...

4 days, 3 hours ago
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Rightwingconspirator
Are Higher Frame Rates Really a Better Moving Image in Cinema?
As a guy who scratches the surface of this medium with humble indy efforts and some industrial video experience I have to watch carefully. If I commit to the wrong camera or format, it can hurt financially. Once I had ...

5 days, 6 hours ago
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Slap
For guitar fans…
I suppose one needs to be a guitar freak of a certain age to recognize both of these guys. Gabrels' work might be familiar to fans of Bowie/Tin Machine. Nelson's work? I believe him to be one of the most ...

5 days, 9 hours ago
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GlutenFreeJesus
Check your gmail accounts!
Here's the link to the tool. One of mine was on that list, so I changed the password. Good luck! isleaked.com

1 week ago
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 Frank says:

Freak me out, Frank!