Birther Loon Donald Trump’s RNC Appearance Canceled Due to Weather

There are still plenty of Birthers to take up the slack, though
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I’m sure there are some Republican bigwigs saying prayers of thanks tonight for the hurricane, since it let them gracefully cancel Donald Trump’s clown show, whatever it was going to be. (Latest word was that he was going to appear with an Obama imitator and yell “You’re fired!” Get it?)

But the maestro of hair is making sure the vitally important Obama birth certificate craziness is still front and center. You know that “joke” of Mitt Romney’s, that nobody ever asked to see his birth certificate? Well, Donald thinks it may not have been a joke.

Speaking to reporters at a press conference in Sarasota, Fla., Donald Trump said Mitt Romney’s birth certificate quip in Michigan last week may have been a lighthearted joke, but that the issue of President Obama’s birth certificate is far from settled.

“What I think doesn’t matter — he has his views and many other people disagree with him as you know,” Trump said. “…But he did make a joke, and some people thought it might not be a joke. It happens to be an issue that a lot of people believe in … many, many people believe in it so maybe I would have handled it differently, but he’s running for president and I’m with him 100 percent.”

Trump, who has focused on Obama’s birth certificate in the past, said that whether he raises the issue again going forward is an open question.

“Let’s just say this there’s a huge group of people that are not believers in what [Obama] did, what he said and where he came from. We’ll see what happens. Well see what happens over the coming weeks and months.”

Have I mentioned recently that Birtherism == Racism?

The trip to Florida wasn’t a total waste for Trump, though; he was there to be honored as “Statesman of the Year” by the Sarasota GOP. And that’s definitely not a joke.

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403 comments
1 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 3:57:11pm

Romney took over the Birther-in-chief role, anyway, so Trump isn't really needed.

2 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 3:59:37pm

What's fucked up is the fact that Sarasota leans left. Big time. But "The Don" would have been far enough away from Tampa to not steal any of the press from there.

3 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:03:12pm

Yay Isaac, the excuse to keep the convention on the "reasonable" side.

WHAT A JOKE.

4 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:04:27pm

Birther Loon Donald Trump’s RNC Appearance Canceled Due to Weather

Why do I get the feeling that there are many Republicans at the State level giving prayers of thanks that this loon will not be allowed to speak?

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:04:49pm

This live cam is just a bit North of Sarasota.
[Link: www.cedarcoveresort.com...]

6 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:07:22pm

Paraphrasing from an earlier thread: it's depressing to to think that 4 years after John McCain had the courage to smack down a birther at his own rally, the nominal head of the GOP won't only not repudiate a nitwit like Trump, he'll embrace him and use his material.

7 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:08:29pm

I guess God wasn't in the mood to see a lame video with an Obama impersonator getting fired.

8 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:10:06pm

Sorry to go off topic so early, but I created a Page yesterday and kept it hidden until now and unfortunately that causes it to be bumped down out of sight as the published date is from yesterday:

2012 Democratic Party Platforms by State

9 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:13:27pm

re: #8 CuriousLurker

Bumped it to the top of the Featured list.

10 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:14:35pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Bumped it to the top of the Featured list.

Thanks!

11 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:16:32pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Bumped it to the top of the Featured list.

The link does not open in a new tab from this page nor from the Spy. Should it?

12 nines09  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:17:37pm

So Trump expects you to show up, but his helichopper couldn't?

13 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:18:08pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Oh cool, I just noticed the "Recent Pages by..." is back. That was missing for a while, right? Or was it just me not paying attention?

14 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:18:54pm

re: #12 Cleo 'O McEire Sod

So Trump expects you to show up, but his helichopper couldn't?

re: #12 Cleo 'O McEire Sod

So Trump expects you to show up, but his helichopper couldn't?

He's safe in Palm Beach. I do think the Romney crew un-embraced him.

15 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:19:30pm

If you're so inclined to make a donation to the President, you can get this groovy mug.

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

Made In The USA Mug
(SKU OFA0805)
There's really no way to make the conspiracy about President Obama's birth certificate completely go away, so we might as well laugh at it -- and make sure as many people as possible are in on the joke. Get your Obama birth certificate Made in the USA mug today.

16 nines09  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:21:42pm

re: #14 Stanley Sea

Donald will never get it, if you know what I mean. What a con.

17 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:21:43pm
Birther Loon Donald Trump’s RNC Appearance Canceled Improved Due to Weather

That's just because I like the photo.

18 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:23:24pm

re: #13 CuriousLurker

Oh cool, I just noticed the "Recent Pages by..." is back. That was missing for a while, right? Or was it just me not paying attention?

Yes, it was missing for a while because I was having performance issues with the MySQL query that generates the list. I figured out a much faster way to do it.

19 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:24:27pm

re: #15 What, me worry?

I like the button they're selling too: [Link: store.barackobama.com...]

20 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:26:12pm

re: #15 What, me worry?

If you're so inclined to make a donation to the President, you can get this groovy mug.

[Link: store.barackobama.com...]

See this alone should show anyone who thinks Obama is a socialist that he's not. The guy's profiting off of conspiracy theories of his place of birth and having a good laugh about it too.

21 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:28:45pm

re: #2 Cannadian Club Akbar

What's fucked up is the fact that Sarasota leans left. Big time. But "The Don" would have been far enough away from Tampa to not steal any of the press from there.

Howdy dear :)

Does it? I think a lot of central Florida that was red went blue in 2008. I can't predict, but Obama got more white male votes than any candidate since Carter. He also picked up the Black vote almost unanimously. He also has the Latino vote, the woman vote and young/student. I don't think much of that has changed. Of all these groups, Obama did the most poorly with white women.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

22 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:29:00pm

re: #19 Lidane

I like the button they're selling too: [Link: store.barackobama.com...]

Nice colors.

23 Kragar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:32:36pm

Issac to Trump: YOU'RE FIRED!

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:33:17pm

re: #21 What, me worry?

Sarasota has 3 REAL colleges (and a couple places that call themselves colleges) and a very large minority population. But it is also about 1.25 hours drive from Tampa. I think "The Don" went there because all the venues in Tampa/St. Pete were taken.

25 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:42:55pm

OT: A really good essay about political conventions:

A Short History of the Phony Political Convention

Brought back some memories, for sure.

26 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:43:49pm

re: #24 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sarasota has 3 REAL colleges (and a couple places that call themselves colleges) and a very large minority population. But it is also about 1.25 hours drive from Tampa. I think "The Don" went there because all the venues in Tampa/St. Pete were taken.

Lots of retirees, too, no?

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:44:48pm

re: #26 What, me worry?

Lots of retirees, too, no?

Yep. It is no Sun City Center, but yep.

28 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:44:52pm

Oh crap, I paged an old story from last February.

29 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:45:54pm
30 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:46:04pm
31 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:47:00pm

re: #25 makeitstop

OT: A really good essay about political conventions:

A Short History of the Phony Political Convention

Brought back some memories, for sure.

The RNC also used a place called "Refurbished Office Furniture" which sells, well, refurbished office furniture. And after the RNC leaves, ROF will buy back the furniture they sold to them. God bless America!!!!

32 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:47:01pm

re: #28 Learned Mother of Zion

Oh crap, I paged an old story from last February.

You can hide it using the Pages Dashboard.

33 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:47:34pm

re: #29 Lidane

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Phillips as in Judson? The guy with the really really bad sideburns. That dimwit doesn't know what tyranny is.

34 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:50:07pm

It's getting more gusty and rainy out now, but there's a big squall passing through. I suspect it will be gone within a few hours

[Link: radar.weather.gov...]

I hate to say it, but Louisiana, Mississippi are going to take a smacking. If luck holds out, it won't go over a Cat 2, but this sucker is wet.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

35 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:50:59pm

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Phillips as in Judson? The guy with the really really bad sideburns. That dimwit doesn't know what tyranny is.

Yeah, Judson Phillips. None of the teabaggers know what tyranny is. They only know what El Rushbo and the RWNJ howler monkeys tell them.

Also, I almost feel bad for whoever is live-tweeting the Tea Party rally:

My solution? Drink heavily. Heh.

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:52:05pm

re: #34 What, me worry?

My brother lives on the island where I am from. Haven't heard if he bugged out or not. And FWIW, Tampa has a HUGE flooding problem. And this is a rain maker.

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:53:06pm

re: #35 Lidane

Yeah, Judson Phillips. None of the teabaggers know what tyranny is. They only know what El Rushbo and the RWNJ howler monkeys tell them.

Also, I almost feel bad for whoever is live-tweeting the Tea Party rally:

[Embedded content]

My solution? Drink heavily. Heh.

I'm there!!!

38 MittDoesNotCompute  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:53:16pm

re: #21 What, me worry?

Howdy dear :)

Does it? I think a lot of central Florida that was red went blue in 2008. I can't predict, but Obama got more white male votes than any candidate since Carter. He also picked up the Black vote almost unanimously. He also has the Latino vote, the woman vote and young/student. I don't think much of that has changed. Of all these groups, Obama did the most poorly with white women.

[Link: www.politico.com...]

Youtube Video

Sorry, I just had to...

;-P

39 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:53:23pm

re: #32 CuriousLurker

You can hide it using the Pages Dashboard.

It's not working for some reason.

40 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:54:05pm

re: #29 Lidane

[Embedded content]

"We're gonna live on! We're gonna survive! Today...we celebrate...our independence from sanity!"

//

41 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:55:50pm

re: #38 TedStriker

[Embedded content]

Sorry, I just had to...

;-P

Even funnier knowing that Obama is a fan of that movie.

42 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:57:49pm

re: #39 Learned Mother of Zion

It's not working for some reason.

I don't see it anymore—it was the one about the Holocaust denier guy, right? The whole LGF site was running slow for a little while, so maybe that's why it wasn't working at first.

43 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:58:12pm

re: #35 Lidane

Yeah, Judson Phillips. None of the teabaggers know what tyranny is. They only know what El Rushbo and the RWNJ howler monkeys tell them.

Also, I almost feel bad for whoever is live-tweeting the Tea Party rally:

[Embedded content]

My solution? Drink heavily. Heh.

What I love how Obama is a big government monster or in nuthead's case, a tyrant for wanting to make health insurance more affordable and available but it's perfectly awesome to limit or eliminate the right to choose or to tell gays they can't marry or serve openly in the military. Must be nice to live in double standard land. As for Boortz & his speedo, I'm glad I have some left over rum!

44 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 4:59:34pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

I don't see it anymore—it was the one about the Holocaust denier guy, right? The whole LGF site was running slow for a little while, so maybe that's why it wasn't working at first.

Yeah I tried clicking on that one and other pages to no avail. I googled congressional Holocaust denier and got something about a guy running in Illinois. Guy sounded real crazy. Usual AIPAC conspiracies and stuff, but what caught my eye is that he brought up my Congressman who is a Republican and incorrectly called him Jewish. I guess he saw Frank Wolf and assumed Jewish for some reason because no good Christian could ever support those damn Jews.//

45 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:01:34pm

C-span is showing Eisenhower's acceptance speech at the 1956 Republican convention. I doubt any sentiments like these will be delivered from this year's GOP podium:

"...We must see, as we do our civic duty, that not only do we vote but that everybody is qualified to vote, that everybody registers and everybody goes to the polls in November. Here is a task not only for the Republican National Committee, for the women's organizations, for the citizens' organizations, for the so-called Youth for Eisenhower--everybody that bears this message in his heart must carry it to the country.

In that way we will win.

And which reminds me, my friends, there are only a few days left for registering in a number of our States. That is one thing you cannot defer. The records show that our registration as compared to former years at this time is way down across the land--registration across the board. Let's help the American Heritage, let's help the Boy Scouts, let's help everybody to get people out to register to vote."

.....

"There can be no enduring peace for any nation while other nations suffer privation, oppression, and a sense of injustice and despair. In our modern world, it is madness to suppose that there could be an island of tranquillity and prosperity in a sea of wretchedness and frustration."

46 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:03:17pm

re: #45 jaunte

C-span is showing Eisenhower's acceptance speech at the 1956 Republican convention. I doubt any sentiments like these will be delivered from this year's GOP podium:

.....

The good old days before Nixon decided to sell his soul in the Southern Strategy. I'll always contend that embracing that is more damaging to Nixon's legacy than Watergate and the subsequent cover up. The Southern Strategy is when the GOP began the downhill trend they've gotten to today.

47 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:04:25pm
48 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:04:35pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Register everyone to vote; what a radical Ike was.

49 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:04:49pm

re: #42 CuriousLurker

I don't see it anymore—it was the one about the Holocaust denier guy, right? The whole LGF site was running slow for a little while, so maybe that's why it wasn't working at first.

That's what happens when you need to change a database field name but don't want to bother taking it offline. I was watching the DB server with mytop, and it got pretty backed up with accesses to the LGF Pages table. They all did eventually go through.

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:05:17pm

re: #47 Interesting Times

*snort*

51 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:05:58pm

re: #45 jaunte

C-span is showing Eisenhower's acceptance speech at the 1956 Republican convention. I doubt any sentiments like these will be delivered from this year's GOP podium:

Pfft. Eisenhower would have been tarred and feathered as a RINO ages ago.

As it is, he didn't have any business experience before taking office as POTUS, so in the current GOP he couldn't run anyway.

52 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:08:53pm

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

My brother lives on the island where I am from. Haven't heard if he bugged out or not. And FWIW, Tampa has a HUGE flooding problem. And this is a rain maker.

I thought it would hug the coast, but it's going pretty far west into the gulf. The best for central Florida given the scenario. Isaac was a bust for South Florida. There's a system out in the Atlantic which seems to be pushing it west. You can see it in the loop below.

The positive about Isaac is that it's going fast. It passed Cuba between 17-21mph which is super quick. The faster it moves, the less wind it gains, tho it will most likely be a Cat 1 or 2 for the time it will have in the water. It's down to 15mph now, but it just crossing the Keys and slows over land. It should pick up.

This is the satellite loop:
[Link: www.goes.noaa.gov...]

Here's the 8pm update. It seems to be pushing more west. Could conceivably go into Texas.

[Link: www.nhc.noaa.gov...]

53 palomino  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:08:54pm

Racism is at the heart of birtherism, regardless of whether Donald Trump has the good relationship with "the blacks" that he claims.

Those of you who don't see racism in Romney might want to contemplate his embrace of the Donald as well as his embrace of birther references.

You could make an argument that Gingrich, Santorum and Bachmann aren't racist either. But they all pandered to that growing racist/xenophobic/Islamophobic element of their party. At a certain point, it no longer matters what a politician believes in his heart; it matters who he makes his appeals to and why.

54 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:09:40pm

re: #38 TedStriker

[Embedded content]

Sorry, I just had to...

;-P

LOLLL You win the Interwebs! I'm ashamed of myself for not thinking of it first!

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:09:45pm

re: #28 Learned Mother of Zion

Oh crap, I paged an old story from last February.

Worse things have happened.

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:10:07pm

re: #29 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Rage, rage, against the imagined dying of the light.

57 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:11:22pm

re: #48 jaunte

Register everyone to vote; what a radical Ike was.

Yeah imagine that.

58 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:11:38pm

re: #51 Lidane

Pfft. Eisenhower would have been tarred and feathered as a RINO ages ago.

As it is, he didn't have any business experience before taking office as POTUS, so in the current GOP he couldn't run anyway.

Hell, I could see Ike being Swift Boated by the current GOP.

"He says he's the general who won WW2, but he hid behind the lines in a command center, while the real heros fought!"

59 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:12:04pm
60 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:12:30pm

re: #44 HappyWarrior

Yeah I tried clicking on that one and other pages to no avail. I googled congressional Holocaust denier and got something about a guy running in Illinois. Guy sounded real crazy. Usual AIPAC conspiracies and stuff, but what caught my eye is that he brought up my Congressman who is a Republican and incorrectly called him Jewish. I guess he saw Frank Wolf and assumed Jewish for some reason because no good Christian could ever support those damn Jews.//

Well also, his name is Frank Wolf.

61 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:13:10pm

re: #59 Stanley Sea

[Link: sadtrombone.com...]

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:13:37pm

re: #48 jaunte

Register everyone to vote; what a radical Ike was.

Well, also, imagine the welcome the 'military-industrial complex' speech would get these days.

63 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:13:48pm

What's not remembered today is Ike had to beat Robert Taft to get nominated by the GOP for president. Robert Taft who is Ron Paul's hero and a man who derided the Nuremberg Trials as victors justice. There are people today on the right who think Ron Paul style foreign policy is "liberal" but it's actually a throwback to what many conservatives thought about foreign policy before the Communists emerged as our enemy.

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:14:21pm

re: #52 What, me worry?

I was still in FLA for Debby. Slow mover. The Sunshine Skyway was closed for 3 1/2 days. I couldn't leave my house to go to the store. (no car)

65 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:14:29pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Well also, his name is Frank Wolf.

Yep. Been here forever.

66 andres  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:15:00pm

re: #53 palomino

Racism is at the heart of birtherism, regardless of whether Donald Trump has the good relationship with "the blacks" that he claims.

Those of you who don't see racism in Romney might want to contemplate his embrace of the Donald as well as his embrace of birther references.

You could make an argument that Gingrich, Santorum and Bachmann aren't racist either. But they all pandered to that growing racist/xenophobic/Islamophobic element of their party. At a certain point, it no longer matters what a politician believes in his heart; it matters who he makes his appeals to and why.

Words are cheap. Actions speak much louder than words. And the Republican Party's actions don't speak well of them.

67 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:15:22pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

Taft also gave us the 7th inning stretch.

68 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:15:28pm

re: #53 palomino

At a certain point, it no longer matters what a politician believes in his heart; it matters who he makes his appeals to and why.

Yes, especially because those appeals result in strengthening the ones appealed to. It's the opposite of shunning.

69 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:16:36pm

re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar

Taft also gave us the 7th inning stretch.

No, this is the SON of William Howard Taft.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:16:36pm

re: #53 palomino

Racism is at the heart of birtherism, regardless of whether Donald Trump has the good relationship with "the blacks" that he claims.

I'm trying to think how I would categorize my relationship with 'the blacks'.

71 andres  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:16:49pm

re: #63 HappyWarrior

What's not remembered today is Ike had to beat Robert Taft to get nominated by the GOP for president. Robert Taft who is Ron Paul's hero and a man who derided the Nuremberg Trials as victors justice. There are people today on the right who think Ron Paul style foreign policy is "liberal" but it's actually a throwback to what many conservatives thought about foreign policy before the Communists emerged as our enemy.

Wow. Interesting.

72 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:17:32pm

re: #69 bratwurst

No, this is the SON of William Howard Taft.

My bad. But President Taft did give us the 7th inning stretch.:)

73 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:17:46pm

Stanley? You on? I hear San Diego is getting shook up today.

74 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:18:47pm

re: #53 palomino

Racism is at the heart of birtherism, regardless of whether Donald Trump has the good relationship with "the blacks" that he claims.

Those of you who don't see racism in Romney might want to contemplate his embrace of the Donald as well as his embrace of birther references.

You could make an argument that Gingrich, Santorum and Bachmann aren't racist either. But they all pandered to that growing racist/xenophobic/Islamophobic element of their party. At a certain point, it no longer matters what a politician believes in his heart; it matters who he makes his appeals to and why.

THIS. If I embraced radical Islamists and referenced blood libels or stuff from the Protocols ("jokingly" or otherwise), who here would believe for a minute that I wasn't an anti-Semite even if in my heart I truly wasn't and I had some good relationships with Jews?

75 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:18:47pm
Nearly 50 years ago in the pages of this magazine I warned that “when religion rather than reason dictates legislation, do not expect logic with your law.”

[Link: www.playboy.com...]

This is a religious nation, but it is also a secular one. For decades the American people have found a way to balance religious beliefs with secular freedoms. We have enjoyed freedom of religion as well as freedom from religion. These need not be incompatible. No one should have to subjugate their religious freedom, and no one should have their personal freedoms infringed. This is America and we must protect the rights of all Americans.

76 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:20:47pm

And the birtherist dog-whistling continues with what I assume is the only pro-Romney (as opposed to anti-Obama) slogan the GOP could come up with:

Image: 7079eed4efb611e1afba1231380fc0f9_7.jpg

77 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:21:09pm

re: #38 TedStriker

Heh. That's my dad's favorite non-sci-fi move.
Looking back on it, I think Mel Brooks might be some kind of wizard.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:21:34pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea

A girl I went to high skool with was Miss December, 1992. Not that has anything to do with politics but is kinda cool.

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:22:46pm

re: #74 CuriousLurker

THIS. If I embraced radical Islamists and referenced blood libels or stuff from the Protocols ("jokingly" or otherwise), who here would believe for a minute that I wasn't an anti-Semite even if in my heart I truly wasn't and had some good relationships with Jews?

Well, I know some people who would...

(But your point is well made.)

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:23:26pm

re: #76 Interesting Times

And the birtherist dog-whistling continues with what I assume is the only pro-Romney (as opposed to anti-Obama) slogan the GOP could come up with:

[Embedded content]

Image: 7079eed4efb611e1afba1231380fc0f9_7.jpg

Someday I will go to the DNC. I imagine these things are just off-the-hook hilarious.

81 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:24:32pm

re: #78 Cannadian Club Akbar

A girl I went to high skool with was Miss December, 1992. Not that has anything to do with politics but is kinda cool.

Read HH's screed.

82 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:24:36pm

re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, I know some people who would...

(But your point is well made.)

Oh, him. He doesn't count.

83 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:24:45pm
84 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:25:20pm

re: #76 Interesting Times

And the birtherist dog-whistling continues with what I assume is the only pro-Romney (as opposed to anti-Obama) slogan the GOP could come up with:

[Embedded content]

Image: 7079eed4efb611e1afba1231380fc0f9_7.jpg

"Mitt is Idjit" ??

85 JRCMYP  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:26:58pm

Romney is thinking "thank GOD" that hair flap is cancelled!

86 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:27:43pm

re: #84 Decatur Deb

"Mitt is Idjit" ??

Lulz. And notice in what's supposed to be a flattering drawing, Mitt still has that creepy Gordon-Gekko vibe?

87 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:27:44pm

re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm trying to think how I would categorize my relationship with 'the blacks'.

Screw the Blacks!! White Guelphs All the Way.

88 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:28:11pm

re: #82 CuriousLurker

Oh, him. He doesn't count.

LLOL.

89 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:28:23pm
90 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:28:46pm

re: #89 Channeling Confucius

God to Trump: YOU'RE FIRED!

TRUMP IN HELL: I'm on fire!

91 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:29:21pm

re: #77 OhNoZombies!

Heh. That's my dad's favorite non-sci-fi move.
Looking back on it, I think Mel Brooks might be some kind of wizard.

He knew the Tea Party platform before they even existed!//

There, i hit post instead pf preview...

92 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:29:45pm

Thanks to Obama, I bought 2 new cars last year and now a new living room set.

93 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:29:46pm

re: #90 Learned Mother of Zion

TRUMP IN HELL: I'm on fire!

Trump to Satan: "You're Replaced."

94 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:29:46pm

re: #71 andres

Wow. Interesting.

It really is. What's also little known is that FDR's sons wanted Ike to primary Truman in 1948. Truman really wasn't that well liked by some forces within the Democratic party. Eisenhower turned down the offer though.

95 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:30:01pm

Time to start preparing for Monday. *grimace*

Later, lizards.

96 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:30:30pm

re: #95 CuriousLurker

Time to start preparing for Monday. *grimace*

Later, lizards.

Long weekend next week!

97 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:32:42pm

The whole Trump thing sounded stupid anyhow. Ooh Donald Trump telling an Obama impersonator he's fired. Really this is why the Fox News version of the Daily Show failed miserably. Right wingers when they try to be witty and funny usually just look stupid. I'll concede the right is better than the left at markets like talk radio but the left owns them in political humor.

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:36:11pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

The whole Trump thing sounded stupid anyhow. Ooh Donald Trump telling an Obama impersonator he's fired. Really this is why the Fox News version of the Daily Show failed miserably. Right wingers when they try to be witty and funny usually just look stupid. I'll concede the right is better than the left at markets like talk radio but the left owns them in political humor.

Was the name of the comedian who told jokes as he played piano Steve Allen? I can't remember. (And I know someone here knows)

99 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:39:43pm

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was the name of the comedian who told jokes as he played piano Steve Allen? I can't remember. (And I know someone here knows)

Youtube Video
100 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:40:45pm

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was the name of the comedian who told jokes as he played piano Steve Allen? I can't remember. (And I know someone here knows)

Mark Russell

101 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:40:50pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

The whole Trump thing sounded stupid anyhow. Ooh Donald Trump telling an Obama impersonator he's fired. Really this is why the Fox News version of the Daily Show failed miserably. Right wingers when they try to be witty and funny usually just look stupid. I'll concede the right is better than the left at markets like talk radio but the left owns them in political humor.

Wingnut "comedy" seems to mostly rely upon insult comedy, breaking down the subject in as "humorous" a fashion as possible. If you hate the subject of the insults, you're gonna get a chuckle. To everybody else, it just sounds mean-spirited and...well...insulting.

102 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:41:54pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

I think there has to be the element of truth to humor.
Their stuff was just mean-spirited BS.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:42:16pm

re: #100 bratwurst

Mark Russell

It was Steve Allen. And the best, Victor Borge.

104 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:42:44pm
105 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:42:53pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

Wingnut "comedy" seems to mostly rely upon insult comedy, breaking down the subject in as "humorous" a fashion as possible. If you hate the subject of the insults, you're gonna get a chuckle. To everybody else, it just sounds mean-spirited and...well...insulting.

I think that gets it down. Plus a large part of liberal political humor is self-depreciating. Stewart and Colbert for example are willing to mock the left if need be. There really doesn't seem to be that kind of mindset on the right when it comes to political comedy.

106 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:43:01pm

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Was the name of the comedian who told jokes as he played piano Steve Allen? I can't remember. (And I know someone here knows)

You may be thinking of Tom Lehrer.

Youtube Video
107 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:44:03pm

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

It was Steve Allen. And the best, Victor Borge.

If you are thinking about this guy, it is DEFINITELY Mark Russell:

Youtube Video

Admittedly, he does look a bit like Steve Allen.

108 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:44:25pm

re: #102 OhNoZombies!

I think there has to be the element of truth to humor.
Their stuff was just mean-spirited BS.

{{sigh}}
Just like Targetpractice said...

109 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:45:28pm

re: #107 bratwurst

I was right. Steve Allen. But thanks for giving me more to like!!!!

110 andres  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:45:45pm

re: #97 HappyWarrior

The whole Trump thing sounded stupid anyhow. Ooh Donald Trump telling an Obama impersonator he's fired. Really this is why the Fox News version of the Daily Show failed miserably. Right wingers when they try to be witty and funny usually just look stupid. I'll concede the right is better than the left at markets like talk radio but the left owns them in political humor.

It's not that the left has a monopoly on humor (tho it seems that way). It's that, for most of them (and all the prominent ones), they let scoring cheap political points get in the way of a good joke.

There's also the fault that their side can do no wrong and, therefore, unwilling to crack a joke at their side. And what HappyWarrior said.

Edit: Fixating link.

111 AntonSirius  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:45:54pm

re: #76 Interesting Times

Because calling himself 'legit' certainly did wonders for MC Hammer's career...

Youtube Video
112 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:45:55pm

re: #102 OhNoZombies!

I think there has to be the element of truth to humor.
Their stuff was just mean-spirited BS.

I think what it was for me when I saw a clip was that it came across just too forced and hey we're trying to one up those liberals at Comedy Central. It's a similar feeling I felt when I listened to Air America once. Liberals really don't do the bombastic talk radio show style well. They do the NPR style intellectual discussion pretty well though.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:47:31pm

I have to get a new carpet now.

114 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:48:01pm

re: #107 bratwurst

Wow. From 1975. I was 8.

115 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:48:22pm

re: #105 HappyWarrior

I think that gets it down. Plus a large part of liberal political humor is self-depreciating. Stewart and Colbert for example are willing to mock the left if need be. There really doesn't seem to be that kind of mindset on the right when it comes to political comedy.

Yeah, the Fox News attempt at "comedy" fell absolutely flat because it was nothing but one long "Look at how stupid liberals are!" routine that works well for the brain-dead legions who watch them habitually, but to the rest of us it was like watching the monkeys fling shit at the zoo.

116 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:51:22pm

Wow. The RNC is off to a crazy start. If this wasn't mentioned have a look in here:

#PrayerRallyForAmerica

It's full of pro and con. They have moonbeams in their eyes!

117 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:52:18pm

The one clip I saw of the Half-Hour Comedy Hour was beyond cringe inducing. Right off the bat: obvious laugh track. The two co-hosts' direction apparently consisted of "Imitate Jon Stewart. Poorly."

The fake commercial for an Obama magazine featuring stock footage of what looked like a rally of actual African people didn't help.

And as someone on another board pointed out: how much does the Daily Show get under Roger Ailes's skin that he created a "comedy" show to run on his news network?

118 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:53:08pm

re: #116 Gus

That's sort of a mixed bag of complaints.

119 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:53:34pm

re: #92 Learned Mother of Zion

Thanks to Obama, I bought 2 new cars last year and now a new living room set.

PREACH IT

120 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:53:40pm

re: #116 Gus

Wow. The RNC is off to a crazy start. If this wasn't mentioned have a look in here:

#PrayerRallyForAmerica

It's full of pro and con. They have moonbeams in their eyes!

Once again, I'm reminded why I gave up on organized religion years ago.

121 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:53:41pm

re: #118 jaunte

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That's sort of a mixed bag of complaints.

Saw that. I laughed.

122 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:53:53pm

re: #117 Mattand

And as someone on another board pointed out: how much does the Daily Show get under Roger Ailes's skin that he created a "comedy" show to run on his news network?

Quite a bit I think because you in the Bush years had people like O'Reilly accusing Stewart of throwing soft ball questions to liberals. I always loved Stewart's retort. "One of our top rated shows on our network is where we have puppets make crank calls."

123 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:55:04pm

re: #122 HappyWarrior

Quite a bit I think because you in the Bush years had people like O'Reilly accusing Stewart of throwing soft ball questions to liberals. I always loved Stewart's retort. "One of our top rated shows on our network is where we have puppets make crank calls."

Softball questions, huh? Apparently Bill O has never watched his own show.

124 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:55:27pm

re: #118 jaunte

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That's sort of a mixed bag of complaints.

Brokeback Mountain? Jerry Seinfeld? What are things that aren't relevant anymore. No offense to BM which I hear was a fine movie and Jerry who starred on one of my favorite sitcoms ever but really the guy's ranting about that. He may as well be ranting about the Beatles and how John Lennon is awful for the higher than Jesus comment. Oh and the band Kiss.

125 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:55:39pm

Then there was this.

Followed by this.

Which led to this.

126 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:56:32pm

Got that? God gives rights. Not the government.

127 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:56:44pm

A common theme of course.

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:57:20pm

re: #125 Gus

Wait. Wimmin can vote? Fine. But if they get to drive I'm gonna be pissed...
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129 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:57:20pm

re: #125 Gus

Any moment, Elias will point to the Bible verse that gave women the right to vote.

130 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:57:44pm

re: #124 HappyWarrior

Brokeback Mountain? Jerry Seinfeld? What are things that aren't relevant anymore. No offense to BM which I hear was a fine movie and Jerry who starred on one of my favorite sitcoms ever but really the guy's ranting about that. He may as well be ranting about the Beatles and how John Lennon is awful for the higher than Jesus comment. Oh and the band Kiss.

Jerry Seinfeld in a remake of Brokeback Mountain:

"What's the deal with saying I can't quit you? You're not a job!"

131 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:58:18pm

Yeah, I've heard that one before, "God gives rights." Republicans just tell us what rights Gods gave us and which ones we're allowed to exercise without a politician looking over our shoulder. God wants you to have a small arsenal in case the census taker comes knocking on your door, but he don't want no abortions or gay marriage.

132 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:58:20pm

re: #129 jaunte

Any moment, Elias will point to the Bible verse that gave women the right to vote.

Exactly. Which means "God give rights" based on a God designed by humans. So if that design is flawed. Well, you get this.

133 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 5:59:33pm

And God said let the women vote and there was voting for women.

134 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:00:35pm

And God said let there be the FAA!

135 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:00:51pm

No wait. The FAA is not a right.

136 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:01:05pm

re: #86 Interesting Times

Lulz. And notice in what's supposed to be a flattering drawing, Mitt still has that creepy Gordon-Gekko vibe?

Silly me. I didn't spot the other reason for "Mitt is Legit" being an epic fail:

137 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:01:17pm

If God gives us right, why did it take so long for us to give non-landowners, blacks, and women the right to vote. Why did we have legalized slavery for seventy five years after Washington took the oath of office. That's what the flaw in "God given rights" mindsets especially when people used God to justify other people from not having rights.

138 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:01:32pm

Guns are a right. But if someone shoots you with a gun and you start bleeding to death just remember that treating you for this gunshot wound is not a right.

//

139 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:01:51pm

I resent the Republican Party's attempt to infringe on my God-given right to have an abortion.

140 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:02:10pm

re: #137 HappyWarrior

If God gives us right, why did it take so long for us to give non-landowners, blacks, and women the right to vote. Why did we have legalized slavery for seventy five years after Washington took the oath of office. That's what the flaw in "God given rights" mindsets especially when people used God to justify other people from not having rights.

God just sat back and waited for social evolution to take place.

141 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:02:12pm
142 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:03:03pm

re: #141 Lidane

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Guy just needs to admit that he wants us to be more like Iran except instead of Islam, he wants Christianity.

143 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:03:44pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

I resent the Republican Party's attempt to infringe on my God-given right to have an abortion.

Abortion is not a right! However, God gave man the right to regulate your body and prevent you from having an abortion.

//

144 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:04:06pm

The "God gives rights" business sounds too much like the ones who go "If it's not in the Constitution, government shouldn't be involved in it!" The Constitution doesn't mention an Air Force but we're supposed to believe that falls under "Defense" in the Preamble, but if you suggest Social Security or Medicare fall under "General Welfare" they scream that nothing in the Preamble is enumerated and thus not covered.

145 wrenchwench  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:05:14pm
146 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:05:46pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

The "God gives rights" business sounds too much like the ones who go "If it's not in the Constitution, government shouldn't be involved in it!" The Constitution doesn't mention an Air Force but we're supposed to believe that falls under "Defense" in the Preamble, but if you suggest Social Security or Medicare fall under "General Welfare" they scream that nothing in the Preamble is enumerated and thus not covered.

It's just an ancient way of striking the "fear of God" over people and manipulate their behavior. I think it really is just that simple. It's an archaic way of thinking. God does not give rights. Men and women do.

147 SteveMcG  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:06:19pm

Anybody know if a Trump Speech transcript will be available?

148 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:09:41pm

re: #147 SteveMcG

Anybody know if a Trump Speech transcript will be available?

Try here:

[Link: www.hairclub.com...]

149 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:10:41pm

Louisiana Congressman Is Pressuring University to Drop Its LGBT Studies Minor Because Students Need Jobs

A Republican congressman from Louisiana named Jeff Landry is trying to claw his way back into office, and, in order to prove to constituents that he's serious about serious issues (like jobs and such), he's pushing the University of Louisiana at Lafayette to forsake its LGBT studies minor because, according to Landry, LGBT studies doesn't help college kids get ready for the job market. See, you guys? Republicans do too have a plan for economic prosperity and it involves eliminating all the useless liberal arts college courses so that there are enough engineers around to help Mitt Romney build his Death Star.

150 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:12:03pm

Hard to believe it's 2012 sometimes.

151 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:12:03pm

re: #147 SteveMcG

Anybody know if a Trump Speech transcript will be available?

I'll provide one:

"I've got a message for that Kenyan Muslim usurper in the White House. Hey, Obama -- you're fired!"

There. That should do it. ;)

152 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:13:06pm
153 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:16:14pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

The "God gives rights" business sounds too much like the ones who go "If it's not in the Constitution, government shouldn't be involved in it!" The Constitution doesn't mention an Air Force but we're supposed to believe that falls under "Defense" in the Preamble, but if you suggest Social Security or Medicare fall under "General Welfare" they scream that nothing in the Preamble is enumerated and thus not covered.

Both the wingnuts and the moonbats have created a bastardized misinterpretation of the concept of unalienable Rights.

154 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:16:39pm

From the "Blind Squirrel Finds Nut" folder, Aqua Buddah speaks up about one of the GOP's sacred cows:

Rand Paul’s message to Republican convention: ‘Audit the Pentagon’

TAMPA -- Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul will use his prime-time speaking slot at the Republican National Convention to urge party members to be more open to scrutinizing military spending, a position that puts him in the minority within the GOP.

Paul made the remarks Sunday when he addressed thousands of supporters at a rally for his father, former Republican presidential candidate and Texas Rep. Ron Paul, at the University of South Florida.

"Because we've talked about audit the Fed so much, we're now talking about audit the Pentagon," Paul told the crowd. "Now, because of Hurricane Isaac, it's not sure whether my message will get to the Republican National Convention, but I'm pretty sure I'm going to be able speak. And one of the messages that I will give to them is that Republicans need to acknowledge that not every dollar is well spent or sacred in the military and we have to look for ways to make every department accountable."

Paul will speak at the convention between 7:00 and 8:00 PM eastern time Tuesday, according to an updated schedule made public Sunday.

Both Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney and his running mate, Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, have vowed to increase defense spending if elected.

I should note that the Pentagon has been whining for years that its accounting and budgeting is so convoluted, that it actually has to spend time and money getting itself "audit ready."

155 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:17:46pm
Thomas Paine (1731–1809) further elaborated on natural rights in his influential work Rights of Man (1791), emphasizing that rights cannot be granted by any charter because this would legally imply they can also be revoked and under such circumstances they would be reduced to privileges:

It is a perversion of terms to say that a charter gives rights. It operates by a contrary effect — that of taking rights away. Rights are inherently in all the inhabitants; but charters, by annulling those rights, in the majority, leave the right, by exclusion, in the hands of a few. ... They...consequently are instruments of injustice. The fact therefore must be that the individuals themselves, each in his own personal and sovereign right, entered into a contract with each other to produce a government: and this is the only mode in which governments have a right to arise, and the only principle on which they have a right to exist.

156 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:18:14pm

re: #155 Killgore Trout

Amen.

157 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:18:33pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

I should note that the Pentagon has been whining for years that its accounting and budgeting is so convoluted, that it actually has to spend time and money getting itself "audit ready."

The Pentagon has also been whining for years about bloated, useless, obsolete projects that they don't want and would love to get rid of, but they can't because Congress keeps them alive.

158 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:19:22pm

re: #156 PhillyPretzel

Amen.

Gesundheit.

159 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:20:33pm

re: #158 Killgore Trout

LOL. The minute I saw Thomas Paine's name and what the quote stated I agreed.

160 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:22:27pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

Both the wingnuts and the moonbats have created a bastardized misinterpretation of the concept of unalienable Rights.

Beware the religious left. They are everywhere.

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161 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:22:41pm

re: #126 Gus

Got that? God gives rights. Not dithe government.

And the difference between their speech and the horrible, damned Taliban?

NOTHING.

162 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:25:04pm
163 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:25:20pm

re: #154 Targetpractice

From the "Blind Squirrel Finds Nut" folder, Aqua Buddah speaks up about one of the GOP's sacred cows:

Rand Paul’s message to Republican convention: ‘Audit the Pentagon’

I should note that the Pentagon has been whining for years that its accounting and budgeting is so convoluted, that it actually has to spend time and money getting itself "audit ready."

This is why he'll never get nominated for president. Not a fan of his or his Dad's but they're at least fairly honest enough to admit that you can't solve the deficit problem while ignoring the defense budget.

164 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:25:33pm

re: #162 Lidane

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Awesome.

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165 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:26:09pm

re: #162 Lidane

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Huckabee has a really nasty way of dismissing anyone who doesn't share his worldview doesn't he. Sad little man.

166 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:26:16pm

re: #162 Lidane

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Whoa. Pinned the crazy meter with that one.

167 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:26:40pm

"Rights come from the barrel of a gun." Mao was not a stupid man, and George Washington would agree with him.

168 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:29:03pm

We create our concept of rights which is why we've I think evolved on this issue over the centuries. For all this talk of God and rights, in the parts of history where religion had the most power with the individual and rights, you saw some of the biggest excesses of tyranny. The Spanish Inquisition is a great example of this or the Middle Ages where one could expected to be severely attacked if not killed for being of the wrong religion.

169 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:29:12pm

re: #162 Lidane

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This is why Mike Huckabee has been toiling in the Fox News basement with his Sunday show for years. Despite the "aw shucks" mask, this guy is very ambitious. He's a hard core theocrat who's actually talked about rewriting the Constitution to be more in line with the Bible.

170 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:30:25pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

This is why Mike Huckabee has been toiling in the Fox News basement with his Sunday show for years. Despite the "aw shucks" mask, this guy is very ambitious. He's a hard core theocrat who's actually talked about rewriting the Constitution to be more in line with the Bible.

And also why a lot of folks think he's looking at a '16 run, because he can toil away in relative obscurity, building a base of support, in order to run himself in 4 years as a "true conservative."

171 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:30:26pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

This is why Mike Huckabee has been toiling in the Fox News basement with his Sunday show for years. Despite the "aw shucks" mask, this guy is very ambitious. He's a hard core theocrat who's actually talked about rewriting the Constitution to be more in line with the Bible.

He's a scary man and I think could have given Romney a serious run for his money if he had ran this time. I mean Santorum nearly beat him and Santorum doesn't have Huckabee's charisma and ties to the Evangelical community.

172 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:31:35pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

And also why a lot of folks think he's looking at a '16 run, because he can toil away in relative obscurity, building a base of support, in order to run himself in 4 years as a "true conservative."

You know actually if he did run, he'd be the so called next in line especially if Santorum and Palin don't run. Huckabee was one of McCain's biggest challengers in 2008. I think Huckabee saw that he couldn't beat Obama and that's why he decided not to run. He figured he'd have a shot at whoever the Dems put up that year.

173 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:31:36pm

re: #169 Charles Johnson

This is why Mike Huckabee has been toiling in the Fox News basement with his Sunday show for years. Despite the "aw shucks" mask, this guy is very ambitious. He's a hard core theocrat who's actually talked about rewriting the Constitution to be more in line with the Bible.

And remember. Rights come from God.

174 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:31:51pm

Did any of these people take a Western Civilization course? It sounds as though they skipped it for more Bible study.

175 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:32:44pm

re: #174 PhillyPretzel

Did any of these people take a Western Civilization course? It sounds as though they skipped it for more Bible study.

They skipped it just like they skipped science class.

176 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:33:24pm

re: #175 HappyWarrior

Yes. You are correct. :(

177 Only The Lurker Knows  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:34:06pm

Night Lizards..

178 makeitstop  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:35:39pm

I'm looking at the revised RNC Schedule, and they've got Condi Rice slated in the same hour as Ryan.

I thought she wasn't going to appear?

179 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:35:40pm

Huckabee ate a squirrel!

180 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:35:41pm

If rights come from God then in this country it would have to be based on the bible which means we'd be basically screwed. Also keep in mind that the legend is that men wrote these words as "God spoke to them." So these men had to have been hearing voices in their head. Or something.

181 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:35:55pm

re: #144 Targetpractice

The "God gives rights" business sounds too much like the ones who go "If it's not in the Constitution, government shouldn't be involved in it!" The Constitution doesn't mention an Air Force but we're supposed to believe that falls under "Defense" in the Preamble, but if you suggest Social Security or Medicare fall under "General Welfare" they scream that nothing in the Preamble is enumerated and thus not covered.

When I swore an oath to become an officer in the USAF, I didn't swear an oath on a Bible, or a Koran, or the Old Testament, or the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I swore an oath to the Constitution of the US.

God, unlike Baby, can go stand in the corner.

182 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:36:03pm

Quite the logic puzzle.

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183 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:36:25pm

re: #176 PhillyPretzel

Yes. You are correct. :(

It's frustrating. You've got David Barton, a man who is actually influencing the GOP platform saying that the Founders rejected Charles Darwin's theories. Gee, Dave, maybe you can tell us next that the Romans fell because they didn't accept Capitalism. The problem to me is it seems that in contemporary conservative cycles that ignorance is acceptable because hey at least you're not an intellectual elitist like that damn Constitutional Law professor, Obama. Which reminds me, the slur about Obama teaching that from Palin who knows nothing about the Constitution was always amusing to me.

184 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:39:14pm

Dominionism

185 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:39:23pm

re: #172 HappyWarrior

You know actually if he did run, he'd be the so called next in line especially if Santorum and Palin don't run. Huckabee was one of McCain's biggest challengers in 2008. I think Huckabee saw that he couldn't beat Obama and that's why he decided not to run. He figured he'd have a shot at whoever the Dems put up that year.

I think Santorum's pretty much a given as far as running in '16, but Palin's still iffy. But, more than likely, folks who say she wouldn't take the job because it doesn't pay enough are right. She's a grifter, and the most she's ever gonna do is tease the masses that she might seriously run, promising if she gets enough "support" ("Just a few dollars more!"), she'll take a stab at it.

186 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:39:37pm

re: #179 Learned Mother of Zion

Huckabee ate a squirrel!

They aren't trafe...

187 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:41:45pm

They always go for the Sufis first
Attacks on Shrines Rattle Libya

Libya's newly elected congress held an emergency session on Sunday about the destruction over the weekend of two of the country's most revered Sufi shrines by suspected religious extremists, who some lawmakers allege may have undertaken their actions in collusion with security officials.

The brazen attacks in two cities underscore the shaky nature of the emerging democracy in Libya, where elected officials have little sway over security forces. The destruction has raised fears that conservative religious groups—whose candidates were soundly beaten in the country's July election—may attempt to sabotage Libya's transition to a secular, modern state.

Must be the dancing.

188 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:42:18pm

re: #185 Targetpractice

I think Santorum's pretty much a given as far as running in '16, but Palin's still iffy. But, more than likely, folks who say she wouldn't take the job because it doesn't pay enough are right. She's a grifter, and the most she's ever gonna do is tease the masses that she might seriously run, promising if she gets enough "support" ("Just a few dollars more!"), she'll take a stab at it.

Palin would surprise me far more than Santorum. I think it's more than just the money though. She knows she will have to face hard questions from fellow Republicans if she runs for office and she's not prepared for that because she prefers the Fox News route where Sean Hannity can praise her and make her feel like she's a voice of reason. Santorum, I really don't know honestly given his daughter's condition. I think our own McDonnell will run though for certain. He'll have a similar role that Mitt's played. Probably the popular guy with the establishment and who tries to sound the most presidential while watching the other idiots hang themselves with poor words.

189 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:42:49pm

re: #186 austin_blue

They aren't trafe...

They don't chew the cud or have split hooves.

190 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:43:23pm
191 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:45:21pm

re: #179 Learned Mother of Zion

Huckabee ate a squirrel!

Here's a real picture from an Alabama squirrel hunt..

192 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:45:39pm
193 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:46:46pm

re: #189 Learned Mother of Zion

They don't chew the cud or have split hooves.

I've got a can of Kelly's squirrel brains in milk in my pantry that some dear Jewish friends brought us as a joke from Tennessee at least a decade ago. It is so wrong on so may levels that I am saving it for the End Times.

194 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:47:17pm

Working to improve the GOP's image with women:

GOP Platform Chair: Rape A ‘Detail’ In The Abortion Debate

195 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:48:11pm

re: #192 Gus

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"If it's a legitimate terrorist attack, America has ways..."

/gag

196 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:49:11pm

re: #192 Gus

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Laup Nor Logic: Bass Ackwards as always.

197 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:50:05pm

re: #191 Mich-again

Here's a real picture from an Alabama squirrel hunt..

Have that many squirrels in my backyard on any given day. An old codger in our town recently tried to buy sex from an undercover cop-ess with a mess of squirrels and a used washing machine.

198 Kronocide  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:50:07pm

re: #193 austin_blue

I've got a can of Kelly's squirrel brains in milk in my pantry that some dear Jewish friends brought us as a joke from Tennessee at least a decade ago. It is so wrong on so may levels that I am saving it for the End Times.

What's wrong with it? Try some hot sauce.

199 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:50:39pm

re: #196 Dark_Falcon

Laup Nor Logic: Bass Ackwards as always.

We could have avoided the Battle of the Atlantic if we listened to Father Coughlin.

//

200 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:51:03pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Have that many squirrels in my backyard on any given day. An old codger in our town recently tried to buy sex from an undercover cop-ess with a mess of squirrels and a used washing machine.

Did he have a banjo with him at the time?

201 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:51:20pm

The argument being. America ignores Nazi Germany and then they wouldn't have started sinking our civilian fleet.

202 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:51:31pm

re: #193 austin_blue

I've got a can of Kelly's squirrel brains in milk

Yummy Mad Cow Squirrel!

203 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:52:30pm

re: #200 Dark_Falcon

Did he have a banjo with him at the time?

A new neighbor (rental) has taken to playing Jeff Foxworthy tapes loud enough to be understood four houses away.

204 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:53:39pm

36,000 merchant seamen killed.
3 September 1939 – 8 May 1945

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

See. Like Ron Paul said. We could apply that there too. Mind you I'm not making and exact comparison between the Axis powers and Jihadists. But part of Ron Paul's plan would include telling Israel and other Middle East allies, "you're on your own."

205 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:54:08pm

You've got to love Luap Nor. He's always right and if we had only listened to him everything would be rainbows and flowers. Guy's such a bullshit artist. It's just unfortunate that more haven't caught on to the fact that Ron Paul is a racist fraud and as much if not bigger part of the problem than those he derides.

206 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:54:09pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

Have that many squirrels in my backyard on any given day. An old codger in our town recently tried to buy sex from an undercover cop-ess with a mess of squirrels and a used washing machine.

There's a real slice of Americana right there..

207 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:54:38pm

re: #201 Gus

The argument being. America ignores Nazi Germany and then they wouldn't have started sinking our civilian fleet.

We had "volunteers" in China fighting, "volunteers" in England fighting, and we were sending cargo ships full of war-making materials to Germany's enemies while at the same time declaring we were not a participant in the war.

Can certainly see the historic parallels to us sending millions of dollars in aid, materials, and weaponry to Afghan fighters to fight our proxy war while at the same time telling the Soviets we were not a party in the war.

208 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:55:21pm

re: #205 HappyWarrior

You've got to love Luap Nor. He's always right and if we had only listened to him everything would be rainbows and flowers. Guy's such a bullshit artist. It's just unfortunate that more haven't caught on to the fact that Ron Paul is a racist fraud and as much if not bigger part of the problem than those he derides.

But...but... He's for decriminalizing weed, man!

//

209 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:55:26pm

re: #204 Gus

36,000 merchant seamen killed.
3 September 1939 – 8 May 1945

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

See. Like Ron Paul said. We could apply that there too. Mind you I'm not making and exact comparison between the Axis powers and Jihadists. But part of Ron Paul's plan would include telling Israel and other Middle East allies, "you're on your own."

He's probably one of these idiots who believes FDR "provoked" the Japanese and would conveniently ignore what Japan was doing in the Pacific region to deserve our irk. The man is an idiot.

210 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:55:43pm

re: #208 Dark_Falcon

But...but... He's for decriminalizing weed, man!

//

FREEDOM!

211 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:56:15pm

re: #197 Decatur Deb

That photo is begging for a photoshop with Huckabee..

212 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:57:14pm

Stupid potheads thinking Ron Paul is our ally.

213 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:57:17pm

re: #209 HappyWarrior

He's probably one of these idiots who believes FDR "provoked" the Japanese and would conveniently ignore what Japan was doing in the Pacific region to deserve our irk. The man is an idiot.

They were fighting a war of conquest that decided we didn't like, so cut off their chief supplies of scrap iron and oil. Not that conflict wasn't inevitable, the Japanese military saw us as a rival in the Pacific and were sure that war would eventually break out.

214 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 6:59:19pm

Walk softly and carry no stick.

//

215 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:01:28pm

Ron Paul is preaching isolationism, one of the oldest right wing cons.

216 freetoken  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:02:05pm

Apparently being a creationist is a moral requirement to vote:


DO WE REALLY WANT MORE GOVERNMENT?

[....]

The right of individuals to cast a free, unencumbered vote is predicated upon the concept of man as a free moral and, therefore, responsible agent – a definition that is applicable only to and by those who ascribe to creationism. Evolutionists, of course, hold that man is subservient to his animalistic urges, is merely a slave to his nature, and must, therefore, impute the power to control his behavior to someone “smarter” than himself (i.e., the government).

[...]

Ben Kinchlow... haven't heard of him since his days with Pat Robertson.

Anyway, it's just multi-dimensional stupidity, that is also quite unencumbered by any good theology or philosophy.

217 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:02:15pm

As if no one else has a navy.

218 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:02:29pm

re: #214 Gus

In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life or death, a road to either safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected.

They would hate Sun Tzu.

219 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:03:45pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Ron Paul is preaching isolationism, one of the oldest right wing cons.

Isolationism and the economic illiteracy of the gold/silver standard.

I can't believe that some of the people I know have fallen for his bullshit. They legitimately think he's a pro-freedom guy, and that he's smart. WTF.

220 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:03:48pm

re: #218 PhillyPretzel

In peace prepare for war, in war prepare for peace. The art of war is of vital importance to the state. It is a matter of life or death, a road to either safety or to ruin. Hence under no circumstances can it be neglected.

They would hate Sun Tzu.

Real wisdom causes Paulian heads to explode.

221 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:03:50pm

If your neighbor beats his wife do nothing because her husband may come to your home an smite thee!
-- Ron Paul

222 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:03:59pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Ron Paul is preaching isolationism, one of the oldest right wing cons.

Isolation's been a disaster every time the US has tried to practice it. Whether we wish to admit it or not, we're too big and important a nation to simply cocoon ourselves in our own worries and assume the rest of the world will either leave us alone or negotiate on fair terms.

223 freetoken  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:04:19pm

Is there a live stream going on?

224 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:04:55pm

This is the second most batshit insane account on Twitter ( @BryanJFischer is the first)

225 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:05:58pm

re: #224 Learned Mother of Zion

This is the second most batshit insane account on Twitter (@BryanJFischer is the first)

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If we had a "real media," Romney would have been shredded months ago when he tried to sweep his entire history under the carpet and told folks to take him at his word.

226 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:06:34pm

re: #223 freetoken

Is there a live stream going on?

On C-Span.

227 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:07:31pm

You know Re: Ron Paul, even if he didn't write those racist newsletters, what does it say about him that if he had no problem with allowing racist crap to be published in his name. There's a reason why white supremacists like Ron Paul and it's because he's perfectly fine with their views if they support him.

228 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:07:33pm

re: #225 Targetpractice

If we had a "real media," Romney would have been shredded months ago when he tried to sweep his entire history under the carpet and told folks to take him at his word.

If we had a real media, scam artists like David Barton would have been fully discredited years ago, and the Republican party would be forced to run on actual ideas instead of on fear and ignorance.

229 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:07:36pm

Another Paulian...

..."They flew me out here from Utah," said McNaughton. "I'm just in town through Wednesday, going to a 9-12 meeting, some more stuff like that." He wasn't going to the convention, though he'd come around to the Romney-Ryan ticket. "Ron Paul was my first choice," he said, "but America's not ready for Ron Paul. We're on a train headed downhill, and Romney will slow it. Ron Paul would stop it, but if you stop something moving that fast, people get hurt."...

230 freetoken  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:07:59pm

re: #226 Charles Johnson

Thanks. I think I got it on Livestream.

Did he really say the "TSA" has authority over children?

231 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:08:04pm

re: #215 Charles Johnson

Just a heads-up re a site glitch: the "recent comments" button when you view someone's profile window no longer works - it takes you to the Search page, but the search query is all mucked up like so:

%22user%3ApublicityStunted%22

instead of "user:publicityStunted". So for some reason, it's replacing the punctuation with URL encoding.

232 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:08:37pm

Jesse Ventura is their second choice.

233 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:08:57pm

re: #232 Gus

Jesse Ventura is their second choice.

Yeah, another nut.

234 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:08:57pm

Hell, if we had a "real media," the entire lineup in this year's GOP primaries would have been shown as the jokes they were by last November. Instead, we got an endless stream of debates, or rather the same debate repeated ad nauseam.

235 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:09:23pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Yeah, another nut.

He's nuttier than Paul.

236 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:09:26pm

re: #222 Targetpractice

Isolation's been a disaster every time the US has tried to practice it. Whether we wish to admit it or not, we're too big and important a nation to simply cocoon ourselves in our own worries and assume the rest of the world will either leave us alone or negotiate on fair terms.

Interestingly, that's Mark Steyn's critique of Ron Paul right there. Steyn argues it exactly as you do, that America is simply too powerful and too rich to for the world to "just leave us alone". He extends that, to a lesser degree, to Canada and the UK as well, and it fits Australia, too.

New Zealand, however, likely is small enough to be able to opt for the quiet life.

237 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:09:43pm

If we had a real media, people wouldn't think a centrist Democratic president was an Islamic Socialist Nazi.

238 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:09:51pm

re: #229 Gus

Another Paulian...

America was ready for Ron Paul 150 years ago when his ideas were relevant.

These days, the world doesn't work the way the Paulians think it does.

239 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:09:59pm

re: #232 Gus

Jesse Ventura is their second choice.

First assistant engineer on the crazy train.

240 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:10:54pm

re: #238 Lidane

America was ready for Ron Paul 150 years ago when his ideas were relevant.

These days, the world doesn't work the way the Paulians think it does.

Pierce is right about Paulians, in that they can't beat the 5 minute rule. They sound great for the first 5 minutes, but as soon as 5:00:01 rolls around, they say something about auditing the Fed or the gold standard or isolationism and you start looking for the exit sign.

241 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:10:55pm

re: #239 jaunte

First assistant engineer on the crazy train.

But he's an atheist and quotes George Carlin!

//

*Based on real life events.

242 researchok  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:10:57pm

re: #229 Gus


Speaking of Paul, this is going up in the AM

Why the Gold Standard Is the World's Worst Economic Idea, in 2 Charts

243 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:11:48pm

re: #242 researchok

Speaking of Paul, this is going up in the AM

Why the Gold Standard Is the World's Worst Economic Idea, in 2 Charts

Was looking at that earlier. Goldbuggery! Derp.

244 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:11:52pm

The wingnuts really believe a "real media" means Fox News & Rush.

245 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:12:01pm

re: #230 freetoken

Found something for you in an earlier thread ;)

246 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:12:20pm

re: #224 Learned Mother of Zion

247 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:12:21pm

Ron Paul-Goldmember 2012.

248 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:12:41pm

re: #244 Learned Mother of Zion

The wingnuts really believe a "real media" means Fox News & Rush.

Some do. Others think that Alex Jones and Prisonplanet are the only truly "unbiased" source of information.

249 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:12:42pm

re: #219 Lidane

Isolationism and the economic illiteracy of the gold/silver standard.

I can't believe that some of the people I know have fallen for his bullshit. They legitimately think he's a pro-freedom guy, and that he's smart. WTF.

Well, he does want to legalize marijuana.

250 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:12:48pm

This new Obama ad is hilarious:

Youtube Video
251 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:13:54pm

re: #236 Dark_Falcon

Interestingly, that's Mark Steyn's critique of Ron Paul right there. Steyn argues it exactly as you do, that America is simply too powerful and too rich to for the world to "just leave us alone".

If that's his entire argument, then Steyn misses the most obvious, most important fact -- we can't leave the rest of the world alone. Technology prevents it, since we can talk to anyone in the world at any given moment in time just by going online.

The internet has fundamentally changed everything. Communications is different. Business is different. Society is different. We're accepting newer ideas and a more global outlook a lot faster than people did back in the Dark Ages when Luap Nor was a kid.

Paulian ideas are just like wingnut ideas. They refuse to accept that the world is a fundamentally different place than it was just 20 years ago, and that ideas that were true even then no longer apply.

252 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:14:13pm

WTF?

253 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:14:52pm

re: #252 Learned Mother of Zion

Galt is Mesuga.

254 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:14:57pm

re: #249 Achilles Tang

Well, he does want to legalize marijuana.

That's a bit like saying that if I campaign against the BATF and federal gun laws, I'd be for "legalizing machine guns." Even if I succeeded in making it into the White House and could convince Congress to go along with me, the states would rush to pass their own laws to make up for the missing federal ones.

255 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:15:53pm

The FRC shooter doesn't meet the criteria for "disgruntled." That would only work if he had been employed by the FRC. Thankfully nobody was killed and this lunatic was immediately neutralized. In the mean time these people are talking as though it was some kind of massacre.

256 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:16:23pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

This new Obama ad is hilarious:

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Love it.

257 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:16:24pm

re: #252 Learned Mother of Zion

WTF?

[Embedded content]

Weird. This person has psychological issues.

258 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:16:41pm

LOLWUT

259 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:17:18pm

re: #255 Gus

The FRC shooter doesn't meet the criteria for "disgruntled." That would only work if he had been employed by the FRC. Thankfully nobody was killed and this lunatic was immediately neutralized. In the mean time these people are talking as though it was some kind of massacre.

The closest thing they've had to a "left wing terrorist." Every previous attempt to politicize past shootings has ended with them lamely mumbling about "lone wolves."

260 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:17:38pm

re: #249 Achilles Tang

Well, he does want to legalize marijuana.

Sure, by killing all federal drug laws and forcing the individual states to pick up the slack.

I honestly don't get how people can't see that Ron Paul is a fanatic and a kook and that all his ideas suck. It's like they hear his words but they don't think of the actual application of his ideas.

261 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:17:40pm

re: #258 Learned Mother of Zion

LOLWUT

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Nutcase standards: Media Matters causes violence but Tea Party idiots saying 2nd amendment solutions and this time we came unarmed does not.

262 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:18:14pm

re: #250 goddamnedfrank

This new Obama ad is hilarious:

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Boom! Nice. And funny.

263 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:18:49pm

You know something that should be pointed out to the potheads regarding Paul and drugs, technically if he had his way, we could on our state levels have even harsher punishments regarding drugs than we do now. Hell, I'm sure Paul would be fine if a state banned booze or cigarette as long as it wasn't the Feds. He's not for individual freedom.

264 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:19:08pm

re: #260 Lidane

Sure, by killing all federal drug laws and forcing the individual states to pick up the slack.

I honestly don't get how people can't see that Ron Paul is a fanatic and a kook and that all his ideas suck. It's like they hear his words but they don't think of the actual application of his ideas.

Simple-minded man, explaining things in simple terms to simple people. I can't say as I've met many smart Paulians who aren't nuttier than a fruitcake.

265 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:19:17pm

Not sure if this was mentioned. Powerful stuff here. With Lisa Edelstein who was great on House.

Romney & Ryan's GOP: Back to the Back Alley

Youtube Video
266 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:19:36pm
267 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:20:43pm

re: #258 Learned Mother of Zion

LOLWUT

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I think Jane Galt's mind went Galt on Jane.

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268 Sheila Broflovski  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:20:56pm

It's on a roll.

269 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:21:40pm

re: #268 Learned Mother of Zion

It's on a roll.

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Because registered Democrat always means liberal. God this person is hopelessly stupid.

271 dragonath  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:21:58pm

Funny, Jane Galt used to be Megan McArdle's old nom de plume.

272 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:22:11pm

re: #252 Learned Mother of Zion

Jane Galt reminds me...


Image: JesusinTampa.jpg

273 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:23:04pm

re: #270 Gus

Steve King: Victims Of Discrimination Must Stop Making Excuses And ‘Take Individual Responsibility’

So if I call Steve King a stupid fucker who isn't even worthy of his own mother's love. Does that mean he has to take "individual responsibility" or is that phrase only dedicated to racial minorities, women, and gays who get discriminated against and not White Christian right wing assholes lke Steve.

274 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:23:36pm

re: #271 dragonath

Funny, Jane Galt used to be Megan McArdle's old nom de plume.

So in losing the nic McArdle got Rand-rolled?

275 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:24:48pm

You know it's funny to see her bring up the New Black Panthers. I actually first read about the NBP in a SPLC publication. So the right wing contention by tools like Fischer that the SPLC only goes after "conservatives" is utter nonsense. The right only really started caring about the NBP when they wanted to bitch at Holder and the Obama DOJ.

276 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:24:49pm

Blech. There's polymath22 again.

277 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:24:51pm

I got to go. Good Night to my fellow Lizards.

278 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:26:51pm

Hi Mom!

279 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:27:18pm

The problem with the Paul vision is that there is no way to get from here to there without collapsing the economy first and once that happens, the rest of the plan goes up in smoke.

280 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:29:27pm

I always wonder what a hypothetical Ron Paul cabinet would look like. Too bad he's only ran for president once in a general election. I'd be real curious to see who his VP would be and advisers would be. I know that doesn't tell it all but I like to wonder about the lunatic Paul would have at the few remaining cabinet posts he'd keep or what kind of nuts he'd put on the courts.

281 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:31:34pm
282 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:34:33pm

Welp. Monica Crowley hasn't blocked me. Weird man.

283 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:37:51pm

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]
Always interesting stuff on the SPLC's website.

284 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:39:25pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]
Always interesting stuff on the SPLC's website.

Looks who's there! Kevin MacDonald

285 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:40:33pm

re: #283 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]
Always interesting stuff on the SPLC's website.

Oh my! Pam Geller is going to be seriously pissed over being on the same list as Malik Zulu Shabazz.

286 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:40:53pm

re: #284 Gus

Looks who's there! Kevin MacDonald

"The fact is that the US did have a sense of being a European, Christian society until very recently. Christianity was an uncontested part of public culture until large-scale Jewish immigration in the early 20th century. The immigration laws were biased in favor of Europeans until 1965 when the long Jewish campaign to change them finally succeeded."
Bachmann said the same thing at the debates without the crazy Anti-Semitic rhetoric of course.

287 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:41:26pm

re: #285 Dark_Falcon

Oh my! Pam Geller is going to be seriously pissed over being on the same list as Malik Zulu Shabazz.

The old circular spectrum at work. The two belong together.

288 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:43:22pm

re: #287 HappyWarrior

The old circular spectrum at work. The two belong together.

I agree, but the very idea is going to irk both of them no end. Which is to say "It's a good idea!".

289 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:44:19pm

re: #288 Dark_Falcon

I agree, but the very idea is going to irk both of them no end. Which is to say "It's a good idea!".

Yeah. I love what the SPLC does. Morris Dees has a special place in my heart for helping to bankrupt one of the Neo-Nazi or KKK groups in Idaho.

290 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:44:52pm

re: #280 HappyWarrior

I always wonder what a hypothetical Ron Paul cabinet would look like. Too bad he's only ran for president once in a general election. I'd be real curious to see who his VP would be and advisers would be. I know that doesn't tell it all but I like to wonder about the lunatic Paul would have at the few remaining cabinet posts he'd keep or what kind of nuts he'd put on the courts.

I can't picture Ron Paul feeling a need to take advice from anyone else. He might just eliminate all the cabinet positions and do it all himself.

291 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:46:19pm

re: #290 Mich-again

I can't picture Ron Paul feeling a need to take advice from anyone else. He might just eliminate all the cabinet positions and do it all himself.

Haha, you're probably right. Paul honestly is someone I picture getting power hungry. You can tell he loves the hero worship he gets.

292 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:48:20pm

Oops it's satire.

293 Tigger2  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:50:48pm

The Romney Ryan do over.

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

Sorry didn't see posted up thread before I posted it..

294 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:53:00pm

Gah.

295 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:53:10pm
296 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:53:50pm

Wait! That's a parody account.

297 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:54:33pm

re: #295 Gus

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I don't get it. What's the context, other than the obvious Godwin's Law violation.

298 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:55:42pm

re: #297 Dark_Falcon

I don't get it. What's the context, other than the obvious Godwin's Law violation.

He's admitting to pulling a Godwin there. It's just sarcasm about some goofy group some guy is trying to put together in FTB called Atheist+.

299 alpuz  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:55:54pm

re: #237 HappyWarrior

Can't upding enough.

300 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:56:56pm

Although I suppose one could say that's in poor taste. That's acceptable.

301 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:57:57pm

re: #298 Gus

He's admitting to pulling a Godwin there. It's just sarcasm about some goofy group some guy is trying to put together in FTB called Atheist+.

What's the significance of the '+' sign?

302 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 7:59:35pm

re: #301 Dark_Falcon

What's the significance of the '+' sign?

I don't know. What's the word. It's catchy or something. Might be "we're atheists but with more Retsin!"

303 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:03:47pm

High-calorie atheists.

304 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:07:14pm

I'm pretty sure I bought my current car from this dealership:

Youtube Video
305 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:08:29pm

You can slog through here. This is part of the aftermath of that sexism thing involving Thunderfoot and PZ Myers. Main "themes":

We are…
Atheists plus we care about social justice,
Atheists plus we support women’s rights,
Atheists plus we protest racism,
Atheists plus we fight homophobia and transphobia,
Atheists plus we use critical thinking and skepticism.

I read that and thought to myself, "and?" It's really isolating for these people. Sort of like have an "atheist model airplane club." What's the point? The "author" goes on to say:

...If some new atheist is not on board with those values, we want them to fuck off. Plain and simple. Until they come around to basic human decency....

Later he called someone retarded.

Social group perhaps?

306 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:10:40pm

re: #305 Gus

Is there a social justice/chess club/atheist/model railroading association?

307 bulldurham  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:10:52pm

re: #305 Gus

Featuring helpful(?) Venn diagrams: What is Atheism Plus a response to?

308 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:12:12pm

re: #307 bulldurham

Featuring helpful(?) Venn diagrams: What is Atheism Plus a response to?

Gah.

309 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:13:51pm

Civil rights was fought with Christians, Baptists, atheists, Jews, Muslims, agnostics, Buddhists... This is just silly.

310 Daniel Ballard  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:14:35pm

Nice moon tonight...

311 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:18:56pm

Image: standards.png

312 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:19:17pm

re: #307 bulldurham

Featuring helpful(?) Venn diagrams: What is Atheism Plus a response to?

The ever-more-complex diagrams look like graphics Glenn Beck would stick on his blackboard.

313 bulldurham  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:22:47pm

I'm reading more about the A+ people. They do have a point that religion can be deployed to support systems of oppression, and that the assumptions that underlie, e.g., sexism and racism are as deserving of skeptical inquiry as religion is. And the atheist community has a noxious sexism problem, so hopefully this will help.

But now to bed. Goodnight!

314 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:23:19pm

re: #312 Dark_Falcon

The ever-more-complex diagrams look like graphics Glenn Beck would stick on his blackboard.

If it looks weird to me I imagine it looks really weird to non-atheists. Heck. Christopher Hitcehns and Sam Harris wouldn't be accepted into this club. Venn diagrams? Is that supposed to prove that he's really smart or something?

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:23:44pm

re: #305 Gus

You can slog through here. This is part of the aftermath of that sexism thing involving Thunderfoot and PZ Myers. Main "themes":

I read that and thought to myself, "and?" It's really isolating for these people. Sort of like have an "atheist model airplane club." What's the point? The "author" goes on to say:

Later he called someone retarded.

Social group perhaps?

Well, basically it sounds as though they're a politically and socially progressive group that happens to be made up of atheists.

Probably set up like that because they don't actually like many of the other atheists they meet.

The question, I suppose, is "Is you also being an atheist enough to make me want to spend time in your presence?"

316 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:24:03pm

re: #306 jaunte

Is there a social justice/chess club/atheist/model railroading association?

Because if you can find one, you'll have come home?

317 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:27:31pm

re: #316 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh good, you're still here...because I want to comment on something but I don't want to do it down in the basement with him there. BRB...

318 freetoken  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:28:02pm

In biology, some are lumpers and others are splitters.

319 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:28:28pm

re: #317 CuriousLurker

Oh good, you're still here...because I want to comment on something but I don't want to do it down in the basement with him there. BRB...

That sounds ominous.

320 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:28:39pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, basically it sounds as though they're a politically and socially progressive group that happens to be made up of atheists.

Probably set up like that because they don't actually like many of the other atheists they meet.

The question, I suppose, is "Is you also being an atheist enough to make me want to spend time in your presence?"

To me it looks like they're trying to eliminate, say, sexism within the atheist community be rebranding atheism as either "Atheist+" or "New Atheism". These groups will then not allow any sexists into their community thus being able to come to the conclusion that sexism doesn't exist in the atheist community. Yet, we were just talking about sexism in the leftist community WRT to Julian Assange, Galloway, et al. We've also been talking about sexism within the conservative community. Sexism isn't an atheist problem it's a human problem. Isolating ourselves is not going to help. At this time, there will always be sexists in all communities.

321 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:29:57pm

re: #320 Gus

These groups will then not allow any sexists into their community

Hah!

322 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:30:23pm

re: #139 wrenchwench

I resent the Republican Party's attempt to infringe on my God-given right to have an abortion.

QFT.

323 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:30:36pm

re: #321 jaunte

Riiight.

324 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:31:22pm

re: #321 jaunte

So weird. Hey. I'll admit. Hitchens was a bit sexist at times. People aren't perfect.

325 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:32:15pm

re: #324 Gus

It's a human problem.

326 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:32:27pm

re: #320 Gus

To me it looks like they're trying to eliminate, say, sexism within the atheist community be rebranding atheism as either "Atheist+" or "New Atheism". These groups will then not allow any sexists into their community thus being able to come to the conclusion that sexism doesn't exist in the atheist community. Yet, we were just talking about sexism in the leftist community WRT to Julian Assange, Galloway, et al. We've also been talking about sexism within the conservative community. Sexism isn't an atheist problem it's a human problem. Isolating ourselves is not going to help. At this time, there will always be sexists in all communities.

Are they saying that sexism doesn't exist in the atheist community, or that they just don't want to allow sexists to hang out in their corner of it?

Could be either, mind. I don't know much about atheist organizations (my husband is a solitary atheist), and I can't make heads or tails out of their Venn diagram of the universe.

327 Lidane  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:33:34pm
328 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:33:40pm

re: #317 CuriousLurker

Oh good, you're still here...because I want to comment on something but I don't want to do it down in the basement with him there. BRB...

What the hell is going on in the basement now?

329 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:33:44pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they saying that sexism doesn't exist in the atheist community, or that they just don't want to allow sexists to hang out in their corner of it?

Could be either, mind. I don't know much about atheist organizations (my husband is a solitary atheist), and I can't make heads or tails out of their Venn diagram of the universe.

The latter. So I guess they're manufacturing a schism. Sexism won't exist in either Atheist+ and New Atheism.

330 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:34:01pm

Just saw the Steele thread...that should help them with solidifying that 0% bloc of black voters as Steele should probably reconsider who he supports.

331 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:35:01pm

re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist

That sounds ominous.

LOL, no, not ominous. I just don't want to encourage conversation with some people.

That Banky link was posted, so I went to go look at at. I was thinking, "Oh, look how pretty they made the wall. Maybe that makes people feel a little better." Then I got to the last slide, and the caption says:

Unwelcome intervention
Banksy also records on his website how an old Palestinian man said his painting made the wall look beautiful. Banksy thanked him, only to be told: 'We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall. Go home.'

It was just a bit of a wake-up call for me. A reminder that we don't necessarily get it...how things work there, how people feel, how our good intentions might not be wanted or appreciated. I was a little taken aback.

That is all. ;)

332 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:35:28pm

re: #329 Gus

The latter. So I guess they're manufacturing a schism. Sexism won't exist in either Atheist+ and New Atheism.

Is this different from, say, a Marxist group or a Christian group online (or a toy train enthusiast's group for that matter) saying that there are ground rules, and you will be banned if you go around being a sexist prick?

333 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:35:29pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they saying that sexism doesn't exist in the atheist community, or that they just don't want to allow sexists to hang out in their corner of it?

Could be either, mind. I don't know much about atheist organizations (my husband is a solitary atheist), and I can't make heads or tails out of their Venn diagram of the universe.

I've been reading Pharyngula/PZ Myers for a few years now. They're saying that sexism is a bigger problem in the atheist/freethought/skeptical movement than people want to admit. The idea is to expose it to the light and stamp it out.

334 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:35:53pm

re: #331 CuriousLurker

Banksy also records on his website how an old Palestinian man said his painting made the wall look beautiful. Banksy thanked him, only to be told: 'We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall. Go home.'

I hope he learns something

335 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:36:34pm

re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist

Is this different from, say, a Marxist group or a Christian group online (or a toy train enthusiast's group for that matter) saying that there are ground rules, and you will be banned if you go around being a sexist prick?

Yep. That's why I made the model airplane club joke.

336 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:36:58pm

re: #327 Lidane

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Well we are dealing with Mr. Etch a Sketch. There's a part of me that thinks Romney would embrace socialism if he thought it would get him support.

337 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:37:07pm

re: #326 SanFranciscoZionist

Are they saying that sexism doesn't exist in the atheist community, or that they just don't want to allow sexists to hang out in their corner of it?

Could be either, mind. I don't know much about atheist organizations (my husband is a solitary atheist), and I can't make heads or tails out of their Venn diagram of the universe.

It looks like the former. They seem to seriously dislike sexism, but they don't seem to see its existence in atheist circles as some sort of treason, and on that score they are correct. Sexists appear in some form in most human social orientation, many driven by ideology but others are just men who want to dominate and control women.

338 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:38:50pm

re: #334 jaunte

I hope he learns something

Sometimes I forget how huge a gulf there can be between us (Muslims raised in the West vs. ME) in terms of culture, politics, experience, etc. *sigh*

339 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:39:10pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, basically it sounds as though they're a politically and socially progressive group that happens to be made up of atheists.

Probably set up like that because they don't actually like many of the other atheists they meet.

The question, I suppose, is "Is you also being an atheist enough to make me want to spend time in your presence?"

For me the answer is No. Being an atheist is not enough for me to want to hang around anyone. They have to be a decent human being too. Religion has never been a strong predictor of who I become friends with.

340 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:39:20pm

people posting breaking bad spoilers on the internet makes an angry spacejesus.

341 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:39:38pm

re: #327 Lidane

Ancient history. He wasn't running against his own plan back then.

342 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:39:50pm

Walt is Jessie's father.

343 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:40:19pm

The only thing that could improve the RNC this week is for another hurricane to come in and end it early.

344 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:40:20pm

re: #328 SanFranciscoZionist

What the hell is going on in the basement now?

Nothing. I just didn't want to stir up any gremlins at this late hour, heh.

345 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:40:25pm

re: #342 Prononymous, rogue demon hunter

It wasn't Omar did Proposition Joe.

346 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:40:26pm

re: #337 Dark_Falcon

It looks like the former. They seem to seriously dislike sexism, but they don't seem to see its existence in atheist circles as some sort of treason, and on that score they are correct. Sexists appear in some form in most human social orientation, many driven by ideology but others are just men who want to dominate and control women.

Way off base on that. It's literally the other way around. Prominent atheist bloggers have been rallying against sexism for about a year or so now. They recognize it as a problem and are trying to get rid of it.

347 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:41:18pm

re: #344 CuriousLurker

Nothing. I just didn't want to stir up any gremlins at this late hour, heh.

Are you talking about the Karsh thread, the one I really should unsubscribe from but I can't because it's an epic train wreck from which I just can't look away?

348 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:41:30pm

How do you get rid of a problem? Do you get rid of them or help them change? If one simply gets rid of them yet avoids the issue that doesn't really address the example of sexism. You're basically settling with "out of sight and out of mind."

349 freetoken  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:42:26pm

re: #340 SpaceJesus

people posting breaking bad spoilers on the internet makes an angry spacejesus.

Smite them with your righteous wrath.

350 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:44:17pm

re: #348 Gus

How do you get rid of a problem? Do you get rid of them or help them change? If one simply gets rid of them yet avoids the issue that doesn't really address the example of sexism. You're basically settling with "out of sight and out of mind."

Not at all. No one's trying to sweep anything under the rug. It's like dealing with racists; you can try to talk to people, but more often than not, you're fighting an uphill battle.

351 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:44:43pm

re: #347 Interesting Times

Are you talking about the Karsh thread, the one I really should unsubscribe from but I can't because it's an epic train wreck I just can't look away from?

Oh, no. That's like the basement of the basement.* I meant this one.

*I tend to think of any of the Pages where the bogeyman hangs out as the basement. //

352 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:45:27pm

re: #331 CuriousLurker

LOL, no, not ominous. I just don't want to encourage conversation with some people.

That Banky link was posted, so I went to go look at at. I was thinking, "Oh, look how pretty they made the wall. Maybe that makes people feel a little better." Then I got to the last slide, and the caption says:

It was just a bit of a wake-up call for me. A reminder that we don't necessarily get it...how things work there, how people feel, how our good intentions might not be wanted or appreciated. I was a little taken aback.

That is all. ;)

That reminds me of the point of the South Park episode where Stan's father Randy says the N-Word and then does all sorts of things to try to rid himself of the stigma. Stan, realizing that his father's words offended (African-American) Token, keeps trying to demonstrate that he 'gets' how Token feels, but each time Token rebuffs him saying "You still don't get it."

Stan finally admits to Token "I don't get it.", admitting that Stan's being white means he can't really understand how hurtful the N-word is to Token, since he doesn't have the same history of a word being used to dismiss him from all good and importance, as the N-Word was ( and still is at times) used to dismiss black people like Token. Upon hearing this from Stan, Token smiles and replies "Now you get it!"

353 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:47:13pm

re: #350 Mattand

Not at all. No one's trying to sweep anything under the rug. It's like dealing with racists; you can try to talk to people, but more often than not, you're fighting an uphill battle.

PZ finally noticed that Thunderfoot was a dick. I noticed that way before his sexist blog posting which I don't even know the details of. My problem with Thunderfoot has always been that he usually spent hours "challenging" complete idiots on Youtube and constantly yakking about Islam.

354 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:47:26pm

re: #346 Mattand

Way off base on that. It's literally the other way around. Prominent atheist bloggers have been rallying against sexism for about a year or so now. They recognize it as a problem and are trying to get rid of it.

This pro-feminist atheist male has been fighting sexism (though I do make the occasional sexist joke I will admit - I'm not perfect, obviously) for going on two decades. I do think it's interesting that there's this effort to classify 'atheists' as a cohesive group. We're Catholics, Jews, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Hindus, Buddhists, and every other religion. Atheists are primarily secular humanists...we aren't devoid of spirituality...we just don't buy into that named god bullshit. God is just a metaphor for the self (which is why we created him/her/it in our image). An explanation for the unexplainable (How did we get here? What happens to us when we die? How did Tim Tebow hit that receiver in the end zone?--even Tim has no fuckin' clue).

355 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:48:06pm

Like Pat Condell. It's not rocket science.

356 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:48:21pm

re: #352 Dark_Falcon

That's a good story and it does illustrate the point well. I've never watched SP, so thanks for explaining in detail. ;)

357 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:48:28pm

re: #354 darthstar

This pro-feminist atheist male has been fighting sexism (though I do make the occasional sexist joke I will admit - I'm not perfect, obviously) for going on two decades. I do think it's interesting that there's this effort to classify 'atheists' as a cohesive group. We're Catholics, Jews, Baptists, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Hindus, Buddhists, and every other religion. Atheists are primarily secular humanists...we aren't devoid of spirituality...we just don't buy into that named god bullshit. God is just a metaphor for the self (which is why we created him/her/it in our image). An explanation for the unexplainable (How did we get here? What happens to us when we die? How did Tim Tebow hit that receiver in the end zone?--even Tim has no fuckin' clue).

Oh, and I don't speak for all atheists. Just myself. That's how it works.

358 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:50:18pm

re: #331 CuriousLurker

LOL, no, not ominous. I just don't want to encourage conversation with some people.

That Banky link was posted, so I went to go look at at. I was thinking, "Oh, look how pretty they made the wall. Maybe that makes people feel a little better." Then I got to the last slide, and the caption says:

It was just a bit of a wake-up call for me. A reminder that we don't necessarily get it...how things work there, how people feel, how our good intentions might not be wanted or appreciated. I was a little taken aback.

That is all. ;)

I noticed that as well. Now, Banksy might just have been being a pain, or this particular man might be a well-known crank, but...I think there's a sort of Western activist mind-set that people will be absolutely thrilled you're there to help. And, especially when your help is largely symbolic, people aren't always that impressed.

359 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:50:29pm

re: #353 Gus

PZ finally noticed that Thunderfoot was a dick. I noticed that way before his sexist blog posting which I don't even know the details of. My problem with Thunderfoot has always been that he usually spent hour "challenging" complete idiots on Youtube and constantly yakking about Islam.

I had only heard of him tangentially through the various skeptical/atheist blogs I read. All I knew is that he had a rep for destroying creationist arguments.

Sounds like Freethoughts.org could've saved themselves a massive amount of heartache if they had done the research you did. If he was bad as you indicate, I can't believe they didn't see this coming.

360 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:52:07pm

re: #357 darthstar

Oh, and I don't speak for all atheists. Just myself. That's how it works.

I dunno; that Tebow comment is very incisive. You might have the makings of an atheist pope yet.

361 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:53:01pm

re: #346 Mattand

Way off base on that. It's literally the other way around. Prominent atheist bloggers have been rallying against sexism for about a year or so now. They recognize it as a problem and are trying to get rid of it.

I seriously doubt anyone is going to run all the sexists out of atheistland. There's no practical way I can think of to make all sexists believe in God, or, alternatively, convince everyone who's an atheist that sexism is bad.

362 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:53:42pm

re: #360 Mattand

I dunno; that Tebow comment is very incisive. You might have the makings of an atheist pope yet.

Fuck Tebow. He's going to hell along with everyone else who believes in it. It's a bed of their choosing, as far as I'm concerned.

363 Achilles Tang  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:53:52pm

re: #260 Lidane

Sure, by killing all federal drug laws and forcing the individual states to pick up the slack.

I honestly don't get how people can't see that Ron Paul is a fanatic and a kook and that all his ideas suck. It's like they hear his words but they don't think of the actual application of his ideas.

Did I sound like a RP supporter in that comment? Seriously?

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:53:59pm

re: #347 Interesting Times

Are you talking about the Karsh thread, the one I really should unsubscribe from but I can't because it's an epic train wreck from which I just can't look away?

I haven't checked it in a day or two. How are they doing?

365 CuriousLurker  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:54:26pm

re: #358 SanFranciscoZionist

I noticed that as well. Now, Banksy might just have been being a pain, or this particular man might be a well-known crank, but...I think there's a sort of Western activist mind-set that people will be absolutely thrilled you're there to help. And, especially when your help is largely symbolic, people aren't always that impressed.

Well said. And on that note, I'm outta here. G'nite, everyone.

366 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:54:30pm

re: #345 jaunte

It wasn't Omar did Proposition Joe.

Omar would never have betrayed Joe as Cheese did. Omar saw that sort of betrayal as dishonorable, as something that would make him lesser if he were to do such a thing.

To used Simon's own comment of The Wire as Tragedy, Cheese might be seen as Edmund of King Lear in his treacherous ambition. That treachery is also the reason why both characters are killed in the final part of the story: for such a betrayer to be allowed to live would be to counsel despair,and neither Shakespeare nor Simon wanted to send that message. So both Edmund and Cheese are killed by men who are honorable and loyal, but had to pass through their own time of weakness before finally stepping up and bringing the traitor down. Slim Charles occupies Edgar's role in this analogy.

367 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:55:29pm

re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist

I seriously doubt anyone is going to run all the sexists out of atheistland. There's no practical way I can think of to make all sexists believe in God, or, alternatively, convince everyone who's an atheist that sexism is bad.

IIRC, I haven't seen any claims they are going to drive them out once and for all. I think the goal is to make it clear that sexism won't be tolerated any longer.

368 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:55:38pm

re: #362 darthstar

That's just being a dick.

369 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:56:32pm

re: #364 SanFranciscoZionist

I haven't checked it in a day or two. How are they doing?

One of the many participants (new member, not a regular) got the ban stick.

/if a troll gets clubbed in an ancient Page and no one hears, is it still grillable?

370 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:56:36pm

re: #367 Mattand

IIRC, I haven't seen any claims they are going to drive them out once and for all. I think the goal is to make it clear that sexism won't be tolerated any longer.

I think that's a reasonable thing for a website owner to say.

371 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:56:48pm

When I was growing up, the fire and brimstone part of religion just really turned me off. Why do you expect me to love God if you're making me afraid that if I wack off or something like that, I'll go to hell. I like to think that if there's a God, he's a forgiving one. I've always appreciated the agnostic position on religion. I just don't know. What I do know is I want to live the best life I can. And if there's an afterlife with that where I get to be reunited with friends and family who have left before, awesome, but if not, at least I lived my life the way I wanted to.

372 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:56:52pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Man's gotta have a code.

373 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:57:08pm

Squabble.

374 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:57:51pm

re: #371 HappyWarrior

When I was growing up, the fire and brimstone part of religion just really turned me off. Why do you expect me to love God if you're making me afraid that if I wack off or something like that, I'll go to hell. I like to think that if there's a God, he's a forgiving one. I've always appreciated the agnostic position on religion. I just don't know. What I do know is I want to live the best life I can. And if there's an afterlife with that where I get to be reunited with friends and family who have left before, awesome, but if not, at least I lived my life the way I wanted to.

First, we had fire and brimstone. Then we had Venn diagrams.

//

375 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:57:55pm

re: #370 SanFranciscoZionist

I think that's a reasonable thing for a website owner to say.

Yeah, I don't think the goal is to clean atheist websites of sexist talk.

376 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 8:58:52pm

re: #375 Mattand

Yeah, I don't think the goal is to clean atheist websites of sexist talk.

No. Not the plural. Just FTB.

377 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:00:00pm

re: #372 jaunte

Man's gotta have a code.

I hope I didn't annoy with my somewhat drawn out analogy. I'd had that thought in my mind for a long time, and it seemed the right time to post it.

378 Mattand  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:01:30pm

re: #376 Gus

No. Not the plural. Just FTB.

I think they're casting a wider net than that. Recently, there's been a call for skeptical/atheist conference promoters to adopt a code of conduct that includes rules against sexual harassment. It has not been received well in some corners, to put it mildly.

EDIT: should have been "has NOT been received well"

379 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:01:34pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Did you copy/paste that? Or were you really an English major with a focus in literary criticism in college? Because if that's the case, then you're just fucking with us with your "I'm so conservative I wouldn't know a vagina if it hit me in the face" persona you employ here. Anyway, if you aren't a critical theorist pretending to be culturally obtuse at times, you should consider it. You've got brains in that shell of yours...use them.

380 jaunte  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:01:35pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

No problem; it's a good analysis.

381 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:02:15pm

re: #369 Interesting Times

One of the many participants (new member, not a regular) got the ban stick.

/if a troll gets clubbed in an ancient Page and no one hears, is it still grillable?

Yes, but not tonight. It's too late. Put the troll on ice, we'll grill it tomorrow.

382 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:02:41pm

I like the diagram labeled: The actual misogynists and scumbags. This is probably shown way larger than it needs to be, for illustrative purposes.

383 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:03:15pm

re: #377 Dark_Falcon

I hope I didn't annoy with my somewhat drawn out analogy. I'd had that thought in my mind for a long time, and it seemed the right time to post it.

It was well written. You do have a gift.

384 Stentor  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:05:04pm

The Donald was probably very worried that an errant gust of wind would lift up his toupee or comb-over & expose his barren pate for all the world to gaze upon.

385 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:06:49pm
"if it's a legitimate hurricane, the RNC has ways to shut that whole thing down" - Todd Akin
386 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:07:55pm

re: #379 darthstar

The analysis is original, Darth. I simply took statements from Simon made during a 'lead-in special' for season 4 of The Wire, where he openly stated he used Greek Tragedy as a base for his show. I then took that idea of tragedy and applied to events in season 5, only I used Shakespearean Tragedy to make the analogy. Mostly this was because I have more experience with Shakespeare than with Sophocles, and I felt that King Lear's Edmund's actions were very similar to those of Cheese, especially in their utter amorality.

387 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:07:59pm

mitt ROMNEY/PAUL ryan

388 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:08:18pm

re: #383 darthstar

It was well written. You do have a gift.

Thank you.

389 darthstar  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:10:19pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

So you were an English major in college, and not just a business major who spent all his time playing video games. I knew it!

390 Gus  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:11:21pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

Thank you.

Been trying to tell ya'.

391 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:11:34pm

re: #382 SanFranciscoZionist

I like the diagram labeled: The actual misogynists and scumbags. This is probably shown way larger than it needs to be, for illustrative purposes.

I do admire A+ having guts to include a small slice of themselves as being composed of trolls. It takes a honest organization to admit it's ideology sometimes is adopted by trolls mostly for the purpose of badgering other people. Such honesty is crucial if an org intends to get rid of such trolls.

392 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:23:06pm

re: #389 darthstar

So you were an English major in college, and not just a business major who spent all his time playing video games. I knew it!

I was a political science major, but one who came to appreciate the importance Tragedy sometimes can have.

But really, that appreciation predates college, and goes back to an early 1990's HBO movie called State of Emergency. It stars Joe Montegna as a doctor who gets forced from his position at a hospital over the death of a patient, a death he likely couldn't have prevented but which has sparked the threat of a major lawsuit. The hospital decides for liability/settlement reasons to push Montegna's doctor out, and though he fights valiantly against this he never really has a hope of prevailing. The final hearing scene reminded me of key elements of tragedy when I later read of said descriptions. It was with that later reading (as part of a high school English class) that I truly appreciated what I had seen.

Tragedy, though, doesn't do well in America. Americans don't like the idea of a brave and heroic (but somewhat flawed) figure simply facing a situation where all of his good qualities just cannot overcome the odds stacked against him.

393 Dancing along the light of day  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:30:28pm

re: #340 SpaceJesus

people posting breaking bad spoilers on the internet makes an angry spacejesus.

Uh, Oh. Happy Spacejesus is better than angry Spacejesus!

394 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:36:01pm

re: #366 Dark_Falcon

Omar would never have betrayed Joe as Cheese did. Omar saw that sort of betrayal as dishonorable, as something that would make him lesser if he were to do such a thing.

To used Simon's own comment of The Wire as Tragedy, Cheese might be seen as Edmund of King Lear in his treacherous ambition. That treachery is also the reason why both characters are killed in the final part of the story: for such a betrayer to be allowed to live would be to counsel despair,and neither Shakespeare nor Simon wanted to send that message. So both Edmund and Cheese are killed by men who are honorable and loyal, but had to pass through their own time of weakness before finally stepping up and bringing the traitor down. Slim Charles occupies Edgar's role in this analogy.

Moments like this are why I love ya, DF. All you need is to spin either a Post-Modernist or a far eastern take on to the tail end there and you'll be better than 99% of the MA thesis I've had the misfortune to read ;)

Still probably a better historian though. Lots of decent Eng Lit pukes running around, not so many historians who could do a latter day Tuchman though.

395 Mentis Fugit  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:38:13pm

re: #374 Gus

First, we had fire and brimstone. Then we had Venn diagrams.

Yeah, I was at Catholic school when New Math came in too.

396 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:40:28pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

Tragedy, though, doesn't do well in America. Americans don't like the idea of a brave and heroic (but somewhat flawed) figure simply facing a situation where all of his good qualities just cannot overcome the odds stacked against him.

There is a reason that an American production came up with the "Kobiyashi Maru" scenario.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:59:10pm

re: #396 William Barnett-Lewis

There is a reason that an American production came up with the "Kobiyashi Maru" scenario.

Or more precisely, James T. Kirk and his infamous solution.

398 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 9:59:25pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

Tragedy, though, doesn't do well in America. Americans don't like the idea of a brave and heroic (but somewhat flawed) figure simply facing a situation where all of his good qualities just cannot overcome the odds stacked against him.

As a completely separate thought, your comment makes me ponder once again how much better off western philosophy might have been had Nietzsche been struck down after giving final approval to the "Die Geburt der Tragödie aus dem Geiste der Musik" manuscript...

399 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 10:00:53pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

Or more precisely, James T. Kirk and his infamous solution.

The boy from Iowa was very American, in all versions of Trek, wasn't he?

400 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 10:03:30pm

re: #392 Dark_Falcon

Tragedy, though, doesn't do well in America. Americans don't like the idea of a brave and heroic (but somewhat flawed) figure simply facing a situation where all of his good qualities just cannot overcome the odds stacked against him.

Or, to turn it around, would a happy ending once in a while actually KILL the rest of the world?

I keep watching Israeli films to try to improve my Hebrew, and aside from the problem I often bitch about, that no one speaks Hebrew in Israeli films, they have this European cinema thing going on too, that everything has to end in tragedy, or it's not a real movie.

The Bubble wrecked me. OK, it's a romance between an out Israeli guy from Tel Aviv and a heavily closeted Palestinian guy from the West Bank. I can't have imagined it was going to end with both families showing up to a big commitment ceremony in the park. But would a tiny glimmer of hope completely have ruined it?

401 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 10:08:34pm

re: #399 William Barnett-Lewis

The boy from Iowa was very American, in all versions of Trek, wasn't he?

Yes, very much so.

402 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 10:14:48pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

Or, to turn it around, would a happy ending once in a while actually KILL the rest of the world?

I keep watching Israeli films to try to improve my Hebrew, and aside from the problem I often bitch about, that no one speaks Hebrew in Israeli films, they have this European cinema thing going on too, that everything has to end in tragedy, or it's not a real movie.

The Bubble wrecked me. OK, it's a romance between an out Israeli guy from Tel Aviv and a heavily closeted Palestinian guy from the West Bank. I can't have imagined it was going to end with both families showing up to a big commitment ceremony in the park. But would a tiny glimmer of hope completely have ruined it?

The problem is that happy endings normally have to gloss over things, and Europe has more experience getting bitten on the ass by the glossed over things and is used to that problem in a way America isn't. For all that it can lead to blindness and jingoism, America's greater idealism sometimes lets us make a better ending than the logic would say is possible, simply because we keep striving for that better ending when others have cut their losses and retrenched.

The bad news is that sort of idealism sometimes cannot cope when a situation truly is tragic/hopeless, as in Vietnam, and then it can lead us to keep putting in chips when we really should have folded.

403 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 26, 2012 10:22:15pm

re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist

But would a tiny glimmer of hope completely have ruined it?

No, I don't think so. But then, I grew up reading things like Beowulf. Seamus Heaney's version is exquisite but it wasn't the first I read. No, for me, that old Anglo-Saxon poem remains the best tragedy because he has a moment of pure, complete, success before the world breaks him.

As Hemingway put it, in his single finest moment, "The world breaks every one and afterward many are strong in the broken places. But those that will not break it kills. It kills the very good and the very gentle and the very brave impartially. If you are none of these you can be sure it will kill you too but there will be no special hurry."

The latter part of this quote from "A Farewell To Arms" expresses the spirit of tragedy as embodied by the Prince Beowulf perfectly.


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