And now, tonight’s second thread to discuss and marvel at what’s going on in Tampa, as Mitt Romney’s wife prepares to take the stage with a randomly shifting blue background pattern to soothe our worried minds…
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:10:24pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:11:17pm |
randomly shifting blue background pattern
the graphic design of the republican convention this year has been updated to harmonize with our modern era of the year 1964
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:12:44pm |
Why do businesses move operations over seas? Labor costs, taxes, regulations, some of the above, or all of the above? We need to do what we can to make it attractive to do business in the US. The alternative is to try to force them to set up shop here ..... that just won't work.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:12:54pm |
"First responders" ... who happen to work for various levels of governments agencies, but you won't hear that.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:13:14pm |
re: #1 freetoken
Beware, reality distortion fields ahead.
She "doesn't want to talk about politics."
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:13:21pm |
re: #3 engineer cat
randomly shifting blue background pattern
the graphic design of the republican convention this year has been updated to harmonize with our modern era of the year 1964
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:13:39pm |
re: #5 freetoken
"First responders" ... who happen to work for various levels of governments agencies, but you won't hear that.
Many of whom are union members.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:13:58pm |
Ok, I'm not qualified to understand this "love", as I'm not a mother.
What now?
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:14:33pm |
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:15:08pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:15:30pm |
re: #10 Kragar
Many of whom are union members.
Damn lazy union firefighters.// They only really attack the teachers unions because it's a lot easier to attack a teacher's union than a firefighter's one. It sucks because teachers play an as important role as firefighters do in our society but it's always been easier to scapegoat "greedy teachers" versus "greedy firefighters."
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:16:30pm |
Count me skeptical that this sales-hit on women is going to change the percentage of female votes Romney is going to get.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:16:33pm |
why do i get the feeling she's gonna serve me tea in a wedgewood cup
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:17:02pm |
Oh, the women's vote!
She loves them!
Equal pay for equal work? Not so much.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:17:16pm |
re: #18 engineer cat
why do i get the feeling she's gonna serve me tea in a wedgewood cup
Nope. Hot chocolate in a mug.
She doesn't serve tea.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:18:29pm |
Ann Romney talking about any of this is unreal. And what the hell is with sounding like Oprah?
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danarchy Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:19:08pm |
re: #20 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Nope. Hot chocolate in a mug.
She doesn't serve tea.
Could be Chamomile...
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:19:12pm |
her speechifying is not much on delivery or pacing
sounds like she's reading
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:19:21pm |
Well, I'd like to get to know him, but he's a fucking robot.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:19:23pm |
re: #4 compound_Idaho
We need to do what we can to make it attractive to do business in the US.
Not when it just turns into a race to the bottom, we don't. Other countries achieve low labor costs by literally working people to death and repressing their rights.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:19:29pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:19:44pm |
Things have gotten harder; Ann Romney and Rafalca know that, for sure.
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teleskiguy Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:20:20pm |
The most important story to come out of the Republican Nat'l Convention. Only "The Onion" is reporting the facts. onion.com/Oo0fhP— Charlie Vogel (@teleskiguy) August 29, 2012
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:20:24pm |
re: #22 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
...And what the hell is with sounding like Oprah?
The sales pitch is to the ego. The idea is to reinforce in the listener's mind that they are somehow oh so wonderful and deserve more. This will make them fell better. Because the speaker makes them feel better, the listener falls in love with the speaker.
It's one of the oldest tools in the con game.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:20:25pm |
re: #24 engineer cat
her speechifying is not much on delivery or pacing
sounds like she's reading
Why would she be reading? I thought Republicans memorize all of their speech and never use a teleprompter? //
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:20:42pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Not when it just turns into a race to the bottom, we don't. Other countries achieve low labor costs by literally working people to death and repressing their rights.
Right, that's what has made China an attractive place for businesses.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:20:50pm |
Ann Romney: "We're too smart to know there aren't easy answers, but we're not dumb enough to accept that there aren't better answers!"— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 29, 2012
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:21:15pm |
Wait, what?— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 29, 2012
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nines09 Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:22:45pm |
Ann Romney talking and my bullshit meter is going off the scales. In fact I think the electronics just fried.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:23:38pm |
I was thinking about Nikki Haley's speech, and southern anti-unionism.
Florida was a "right to work" state almost right from the beginning. And its Governor in the 20s said he'd "have all union organizers hanging from lamp posts"
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:23:57pm |
The networks aren't even doing that halfhearted 'here's a black person at the Republican national convention' camera sweep.— Jeffrey Goldberg (@JeffreyGoldberg) August 29, 2012
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:24:04pm |
Ann Romney: "We got married & moved into a basement apartment. We walked to class, ate a lot of pasta and tuna fish."— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 29, 2012
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:24:19pm |
there she was in a basement apartment with a baby and a husband in business school and the only help she could count on was parents on both sides of the family that had millions and millions of dollars
just like you all!
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:24:33pm |
re: #41 Charles Johnson
They traded in the silver spoon for the tin ones.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:25:01pm |
re: #39 dragonath
I was thinking about Nikki Haley's speech, and southern anti-unionism.
Florida was a "right to work" state almost right from the beginning. And its Governor in the 20s said he'd "have all union organizers hanging from lamp posts"
That's what I was thinking too when I heard her profiled on the radio today. Hanging from lamp posts though? Yikes.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:25:07pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:25:30pm |
"Do we want to raise our children to be afraid of success?"
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:25:35pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Not when it just turns into a race to the bottom, we don't. Other countries achieve low labor costs by literally working people to death and repressing their rights.
...and destroying air and water quality such that everyone near a manufacturing center has health issues (as does anyone downstream). And maintaining a legal system and law enforcement that bends to keep companies from having criminal liability.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:25:47pm |
If @anndromney's speech doesn't get to the playful anecdote about Mitt soon, I may just lose it.— Indecision (@indecision) August 29, 2012
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:26:11pm |
Ann's portrayal of her/Mitt being impoverished in college got her in trouble in '94 Sen race.Fact is they lived off Romney stock options.— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) August 29, 2012
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:26:50pm |
re: #41 Charles Johnson
[Embedded content]
It was almost impossible to find places to cash the checks his father sent him.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:26:58pm |
re: #48 jaunte
"Do we want to raise our children to be afraid of success?"
Okay, she's clearly on the script now. Claiming that Obama's policy and rhetoric are anti success. Coming from Ann's whose husband's party fights attempts to make student loans easier for students to pay, this is a load of shit.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:27:27pm |
"It's given us the chance to hand our sons $100 million, tax free."
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:28:14pm |
"In 1968, France was a dangerous place to be for a 21-year-old American but Mitt Romney was right in the middle of it."
Still laughing at that one.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:28:50pm |
Really though she's trying to make herself out to be a regular schmo? Ann, your father in law was an auto executive, governor, and then cabinet official. Don't patronize us with the "We're just like you" crap when you and your husband went to prep schools growing up. Really, she could at least try to be honest that they had a lot of opportunities that many of us did not in large part due to her husband's family and I think her own family was solidly wealthy too.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:29:14pm |
"This is the genius of America."
Don't think about those offshore accounts, that's another genius.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:29:21pm |
re: #26 Obdicut
Not when it just turns into a race to the bottom, we don't. Other countries achieve low labor costs by literally working people to death and repressing their rights.
Bottom line is we need to make it attractive to do business in the US.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:29:34pm |
re: #58 Varek Raith
Still laughing at that one.
I know right? I mean it's not like he was in Vietnam being a slacker like so many others. //
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:29:38pm |
By now it's a cliche, but I don't think I've ever seen a whiter audience.— Charles Johnson (@Lizardoid) August 29, 2012
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:30:18pm |
Her speech is just missing one little thing...
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:30:24pm |
re: #64 Charles Johnson
Heh... they just showed Condi Rice on the CBS stream...
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:30:30pm |
And he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, Ann. Can you say "trust fund?"
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:31:07pm |
I want to scream. This woman is so full of it and just oozes entitlement and contempt.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:31:30pm |
re: #67 austin_blue
And he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, Ann. Can you say "trust fund?"
...you can trust Mitt!
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:31:38pm |
Is it typical for wives of candidates to make a convention speech?
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Big Joe Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:31:44pm |
I'm playing a drinking game, I drink each time I see a black attendee. I've had one drink for Condi.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:31:50pm |
a typical american success story: get handed an opportunity from the company president to gamble with zillions of other people's money
don't most successful millionaires start that way?
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:32:09pm |
re: #75 engineer cat
a typical american success story: get handed an opportunity from the company president to gamble with zillions of other people's money
don't most successful millionaires start that way?
It helps.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:32:53pm |
YOU CAN TRUST MITT.
MITT LOVES YOU ALL.
TRUST MITT.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:33:03pm |
re: #73 erik_t
No. And that annoys me because calling her out for the BS in her speech will open floodgates of BS against Michelle (which have remained only on the wingnutosphere for the most part).
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:33:23pm |
re: #74 Big Joe
I'm playing a drinking game, I drink each time I see a black attendee. I've had one drink for Condi.
Just saw a black woman delegate. Take two!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:33:29pm |
You can trust him? Yeah trust the guy who changes his position whenever it's popular. Trust the guy who can't even be bothered to share his tax returns unlike every major party candidate. Why should we trust him? I know and understand that she loves her husband but she hasn't given us a real reason to trust her husband. He's not the self-made man she's making him out to be and the only boot straps he owned were bought by his Dad for him. Mitt Romney likely wouldn't be the wealthy man he is today without his father's wealth and influence.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:33:36pm |
I can't wait for Chris Christie. I'm putting on body armor so he won't jump out of the screen and chew my legs off.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:34:27pm |
ruh roh
grooming the jersey bully for the top spot in 2016
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:34:45pm |
re: #79 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
No. And that annoys me because calling her out for the BS in her speech will open floodgates of BS against Michelle (which have remained only on the wingnutosphere for the most part).
I didn't think so. I didn't want to be presumptive, but why should I give a fuck what Mitt's wife thinks of him, or what her politics are? She's not running for President, for Pete's sake!
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:34:53pm |
Kind of revolting of them to play the Temps "My Girl" as they prepare a race-baiting fall campaign.
— Joe Conason (@JConason) August 29, 2012
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:35:05pm |
please god let chris christie open by flipping off the room & yelling "hey youse guys!" please i'll never ask for anything again #gop2012— Baratunde (@baratunde) August 29, 2012
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:35:28pm |
I'm kinda expecting Christie to do his Mr. Creosote gig and throw up all over the audience.
The effect should be the same, though.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:35:40pm |
re: #82 HappyWarrior
You can trust him? Yeah trust the guy who changes his position whenever it's popular. Trust the guy who can't even be bothered to share his tax returns unlike every major party candidate. Why should we trust him? I know and understand that she loves her husband but she hasn't given us a real reason to trust her husband. He's not the self-made man she's making him out to be and the only boot straps he owned were bought by his Dad for him. Mitt Romney likely wouldn't be the wealthy man he is today without his father's wealth and influence.
On the other hand, he's white as a Le Corbusier design.
Did we mention the whiteness?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:36:05pm |
They aren't even showing the good YouTube videos of Christie yelling at people.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 29, 2012
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:36:17pm |
Nice bulgy pants. He hasn't seen his dick in a decade. Not to be catty...
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:36:59pm |
i really want to call him The Garden State Dirigible, but that would be bad so i won't
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:37:21pm |
Now presenting the man the GOP wishes Mitt Romney was -- Chris Christie!— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 29, 2012
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:38:42pm |
We want a balanced budget every year and more money for the military and tax breaks for the rich and a return to the gold standard.
Actually getting any one of those four makes the other three impossible. But don't tell them that.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:38:53pm |
re: #99 Cleo O'Sod McEire
GI Bill? SOCIALISM!
Those moochers joined the armed services so they could get a free ride while guys like Mitt defended America on the field of business.
/
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:39:02pm |
GI Bill ... we're still for that. Whew!— davidfrum (@davidfrum) August 29, 2012
Christie is the last speaker on... women's night.— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) August 29, 2012
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:39:34pm |
Hey now--let's not focus on the man's weight.
Let's focus on his bad temper, tantrum-throwing, and tendency to use a raised voice and intimidation to win arguments with constituents.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:40:10pm |
re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea
Hey now--let's not focus on the man's weight.
Let's focus on his bad temper, tantrum-throwing, and tendency to use a raised voice and intimidation to win arguments with constituents.
Yep, he's a prick and would still be one if he was rail thin.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:40:51pm |
The man has as many chins as a Hong Kong phonebook.
Not to be catty...
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:41:03pm |
Does it seem a bit weird for Christie to be talking about the errors of wanting to be "loved" right after Mrs. Romney based her whole speech about "love"?
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:41:05pm |
re: #74 Big Joe
I'm playing a drinking game, I drink each time I see a black attendee. I've had one drink for Condi.
Drink!
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:41:27pm |
re: #109 jaunte
On the benefits of being disliked.
Yeah just what you want in a leader, someone who relishes in the fact that people hate him and doesn't want to try to work to improve his image. You're a real leader there, Chris. Stupid fuck head.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:41:42pm |
Soon, we learn that Ann Romney is in fact a mad scientist who created THE WILLARD MECHANISM as a tool to fulfill her insatiable lust for power. At the end of the speech, she maniacally reveals her plans for global dominion. Responding to the trigger phase, "Mitt Klatuu Seamus Barada Rafalca Nikto!", Mecha-Mitt lurches onstage and begins vaporizing random members of the audience with disruptor beams shot from his eyes. Chaos ensues.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:41:52pm |
RT @moelleithee: So Chris Christie's father used the GI Bill to go to a public university? Who didn't build what?— Markos Moulitsas (@markos) August 29, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:01pm |
re: #113 jaunte
"Tonight, for the first time, I say enough!"
Something owners of all-you-can-eat buffets will never hear from Gov. Christie.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:07pm |
All these suits and that floating blue background remind me of the Talking Heads!
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Destro Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:12pm |
re: #6 austin_blue
63 years old? Wow.
I won't go there.
Wealth and no need to work keeps you young looking.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:19pm |
"We are choosing respect over love."
WTF does that mean?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:33pm |
So Ann was talking about "love" and now Christie is telling us we're trying too hard to be loved. #consistency— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 29, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:38pm |
re: #116 Lidane
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He's right and Christie just showed the shallowness behind "We build this" without realizing it.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:50pm |
re: #106 The Ghost of a Flea
Hey now--let's not focus on the man's weight.
Let's focus on his bad temper, tantrum-throwing, and tendency to use a raised voice and intimidation to win arguments with constituents.
But there is a chance there is some connection between him being a bully now and him being the biggest and loudest kid in the class back in the day.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:42:59pm |
There's a reason they aren't broadcasting this in HD.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:43:11pm |
"make america great again"
so christie doesn't think america is great anymore? if he was a democrat they could theme a whole convention on that quote
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:43:13pm |
Who do the Dems have as their keynote by the way? Whomever it is, he or she has to be better than Christie the prick.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:43:20pm |
The hell is this? Is Christie a closet Cubs fan?
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:43:22pm |
re: #74 Big Joe
I'm playing a drinking game, I drink each time I see a black attendee. I've had one drink for Condi.
Drink! you are on your on now.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:43:58pm |
re: #120 austin_blue
"We are choosing respect over love."
WTF does that mean?
just go ahead and tell the orphan he ain't gettin no more stinkin porridge
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:44:07pm |
re: #125 engineer cat
"make america great again"
so christie doesn't think america is great anymore? if he was a democrat they could theme a whole convention on that quote
Honestly I hope they go after him on that, if the Republicans are going to twist Obama's quote on success, why not point out that Christie said that America was no longer great.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:44:26pm |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
Who do the Dems have as their keynote by the way? Whomever it is, he or she has to be better than Christie the prick.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:44:41pm |
By now it's a cliche, but I don't think I've ever seen a whiter audience.
ABBA concert.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:44:58pm |
re: #125 engineer cat
"make america great again"
so christie doesn't think america is great anymore? if he was a democrat they could theme a whole convention on that quote
What' so hard to understand about the fact this country has been uniquely blessed by God yet is constantly subject to his wrath, and also is the great nation in the world that has constantly been teetering on the edge of a moral and spiritual collapse?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:45:06pm |
re: #131 austin_blue
And your unemployment has increased.
And a state pissed that he killed a major infrastructure project that would have answered serious traffic clogs, but who's counting the details?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:45:33pm |
re: #132 Lidane
Cool, I've never heard of him but he sounds like an interesting guy with a future ahead of him.
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Destro Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:46:05pm |
re: #64 Charles Johnson
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As a Caucasian male the Republican Convention makes me hate my fellow white people.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:46:14pm |
Audience stunned by the 'every man for himself' philosophy being rejected by NJ.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:46:22pm |
re: #138 Lidane
Is Christie the keynote for the RNC?
Yeah. Otherwise known as "The Nominee Your Nominee Could Be."
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:46:35pm |
balanced the budget? uh...
Christie’s plan to handle the fiscal 2010 deficit included "375 line items of cuts, efficiencies and program eliminations," according to a February 2010 news release from the governor’s office. Among those was a $475 million cut in aid to school districts.
The governor tackled the projected $10.7 billion deficit for fiscal 2011 by reducing property tax rebates, school and municipal aid and skipping a more than $3 billion pension payment, among other measures.
New Jersey’s Constitution requires a balanced budget every year. So, Christie did balance both budgets.
But is a budget balanced when the state skips a required payment to the pension system?
"It’s certainly not uncommon for governors to use the word ‘balance’ imprecisely," said Bob Ward, deputy director of the New York-based Rockefeller Institute of Government. "From a private-sector perspective, a budget that simply skips a required pension payment could not be described as balanced. In the context of state government budgets, the claim may be technically correct."
Let’s cede that point to the governor.
But Christie signed another spending plan this summer. What happened to the fiscal 2012 budget?
The Office of Legislative Services projected the fiscal 2012 structural deficit at $10.5 billion.
But, in a February budget speech, the governor said the projected deficit "assumes no one is actually managing the budget or setting priorities. That is yesterday’s New Jersey."
Now, Christie said, "the baseline is zero" for budgeting.
David Rosen, the budget and finance officer for the Office of Legislative Services, said "that’s not an illegitimate way to look at it," but the executive branch appears to be using two different methodologies.
"I don’t know what the right answer is, but it does seem like adding apples and oranges if they are using that calculation for one year and not another," he said.
[Link: www.politifact.com...]
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:47:07pm |
"Hard-working families"
Poverty rate growing in N.J.'s working-class towns, census data shows nj.com/news/index.ssf… #RNC2012 #GOP2012 #p2 #NJFacts
— PragmaticObotsUnite (@PragObots) August 29, 2012
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:48:22pm |
This speech makes New Jersey's economic performance v central to Romney's narrative.— davidfrum (@davidfrum) August 29, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:48:39pm |
"Which is why our seniors want the program sold off to the lowest bidder."
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:48:41pm |
re: #145 jaunte
"Hard-working families"
"christie wants your grade school age children to go to work"
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:48:46pm |
I think that was the single most hypocritical statement I've heard from a politician.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:49:38pm |
Mitt texting Christie, "say my name bro."— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) August 29, 2012
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nines09 Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:49:38pm |
Our senior citizens aren't selfish. That's why they will kill themselves to save the nation.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:49:47pm |
"We just don't believe in paying teachers very much."
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:49:54pm |
Mitt texting Christie, "say my name bro."
— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) August 29, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:50:07pm |
Yes, teachers get into the work because they want to teach children. But that doesn't mean they're gonna let you run their asses into the ground to finance tax cuts for the wealthy.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:50:25pm |
Republicans really go for corny, don't they?
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:50:29pm |
And here I thought Newt was the biggest demagogue in the GOP.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:50:48pm |
it's "democrats believe" time once again!
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:51:05pm |
"We believe if we teach people the truth..."
They'll believe our bullshit and let us bleed them white to avoid paying .01% more in taxes.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:51:12pm |
Is it just me or am I wrong in thinking that Chris Christie will make a weak presidential candidate. Just seems to me the only thing he really runs on is his anger and being a prick. His primary opponents should he run and I think he will run will have field days with facts that unemployment went up in his state. Plus, you know some idiot will have claim he's too moderate by bringing up the fact and this is one of the few nice things about Christie that he's not a paranoid psycho in regards to Muslims though it wouldn't shock me to see Christie walk back on his reasonable stance on that.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:51:13pm |
Missed Ann's speech. Went on a 23 mile bike ride instead...now I see Christie shouting about politicians who pander...uh...hello? Mitt Romney?
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:51:39pm |
TRUST MITT.
JUST TRUST HIM.
YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:51:39pm |
Dems sow fear & division? Hahaha, project much, Christie? I love how he puts his hand over his heart every time he says, "We believe..."
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:51:53pm |
re: #164 darthstar
Missed Ann's speech. Went on a 23 mile bike ride instead...now I see Christie shouting about politicians who pander...uh...hello? Mitt Romney?
Yeah no kidding. Dude endorsed the biggest panderasurs ever.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:52:05pm |
re: #166 CuriousLurker
Dems sow fear & division? Hahaha, project much, Christie? I love how he puts his hand over his heart every time he says, "We believe..."
Reaching for the flask that isn't there.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:52:08pm |
re: #154 jaunte
"We just don't believe in paying teachers very much."
Teachers are not 1% ers. A two teacher household are 20% ers.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:52:39pm |
here's the sad thing: christie is the best they have for the next preznidental nomination
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:52:43pm |
re: #163 HappyWarrior
Is it just me or am I wrong in thinking that Chris Christie will make a weak presidential candidate. Just seems to me the only thing he really runs on is his anger and being a prick.
He's Giuliani without the "Noun + Verb + 9/11" meme.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:52:52pm |
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:53:01pm |
This amazingly huge need to feel good about oneself is so prevalent here.... but the real question is - why?
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:53:31pm |
Did Ann forget to change Mitt's batteries? He looks like he's discharged.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:54:03pm |
I know he's going to mention Mitt somewhere here...isn't he?— David Axelrod (@davidaxelrod) August 29, 2012
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:54:10pm |
Christie: Romney "will tell us the hard truths."//Ridiculous. He won't even explain his tax plan. #rnc2012
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) August 29, 2012
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:54:18pm |
Mitt must be plugged into a charger.He looks inert. #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 29, 2012
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:54:20pm |
Oooh, I've been down-dinged! *grabs chest, stumbles*
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:54:26pm |
re: #170 compound_Idaho
Teachers are not 1% ers. A two teacher households are 20% ers.
That may be sometimes true. It's certainly not always true.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:54:32pm |
re: #171 engineer cat
here's the sad thing: christie is the best they have for the next preznidental nomination
Because he's the hero the GOP deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
///
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:02pm |
re: #172 Lidane
He's Giuliani without the "Noun + Verb + 9/11" meme.
Well he's also without Rudy's reasonable positions on gay rights, guns, and abortion. But I just think his style isn't going to fly in states like Iowa and South Carolina, both of which are critical are early on. New Hampshire, I give him a shot in. Rudy was a flawed candidate from the start because of the aforementioned social centrism.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:15pm |
Christie is arguing for the party, not the candidate. Interesting.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:23pm |
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:26pm |
re: #181 CuriousLurker
Oooh, I've been down-dinged! *grabs chest, stumbles*
Shall I get your fainting couch?
//
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:32pm |
"I have faith in us".
That is idolatry, btw, but don't tell those God-waggers in the crowd that.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:44pm |
re: #187 Charles Johnson
I HAVE FAITH IN US.
TRUST MITT.
I BELIEVE IN HARVEY DENT...er, MITT ROMNEY.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:55:47pm |
re: #175 Cleo O'Sod McEire
Worlds Greatest Healthcare System! WRONG!
He didn't say "World's Greatest Healthcare System for Patients." He could mean "World's Greatest Healthcare System for Pharmaceutical Companies and Rick Scott's scam operation."
Politifact: Partially True.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:56:16pm |
Old lady who saved the world in Mars Attacks! (with some help from Slim Whitman):
GOP delegates should follow her example.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:56:36pm |
C'mon, compound_Idaho—one more, it'll make you feel better about how screwed up your party is. I can take it.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:57:35pm |
Funny, the "Greatest Generation" was overwhelmingly Democratic.
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nines09 Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:57:37pm |
re: #192 The Ghost of a Flea
He didn't say "World's Greatest Healthcare System for Patients." He could mean "World's Greatest Healthcare System for Pharmaceutical Companies and Rick Scott's scam operation."
Politifact: Partially True.
What he actually was saying was to give the insurance companies the ability to destroy and ruin lives through no fault of the sick and ill. His argument is there is too much money to be made from pain and misery.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:57:41pm |
re: #194 CuriousLurker
C'mon, compound_Idaho—one more, it'll make you feel better about how screwed up your party is. I can take it.
Done!
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:58:03pm |
"Second American century"? Aren't we already over the two century mark as a country?
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:58:18pm |
re: #189 Gus
Shall I get your fainting couch?
//
Please do. Looks like I'm going to need it, 'cause y'know DINGS. They're essential to my happiness & survival.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:58:29pm |
re: #182 Obdicut
You have a Roma wife as I recall? Very sorry to see the news from France. Amazing how two ultra modern societies are archaic in dealing with migrant peoples. I draw a broad parallel here between Europe and the Roma and the US and Mexicans.
These populations obviously belong where they are but are treated as "other". What a shame.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:58:39pm |
Why should we trust Mitt when he can't be bothered to follow precedent and release his taxes? They're barking up the wrong tree if they want to try this "Trust Mitt" crap when Mitt doesn't even trust himself enough on the issues.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:58:41pm |
he's implicitly admitting that americans don't agree with them, and issuing copious warnings about "hard choices" i.e. less help for you unsuccessful types
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:58:46pm |
re: #196 dragonath
Funny, the "Greatest Generation" was overwhelmingly Democratic.
Back when rationing was something that helped win wars.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:59:06pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:59:23pm |
I'm waiting for Chris Christie to have a Howard Dean moment.
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spiderx Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:59:39pm |
i haven't watched any of the RNC convention.
I don't think anyone watches this stuff. I'd be curious to see the ratings. I think Americans are tuned out of this stuff. Romney doesn't inspire anyone.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 7:59:40pm |
Number of times "I" appears in Christie's prepared text:37. Number of times "Romney" appears: 7— Ginger Gibson (@GingerGibson) August 29, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:00:11pm |
A second American century like the last...where America's greatest economic success came when income taxes were 70% or above and unions flourished to build a strong and vibrant middle class.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:00:33pm |
re: #212 Gus
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This is all the more funny considering how much they claim Obama is a narcissist. We have met the enemy and he is us I guess.
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dragonath Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:00:37pm |
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:00:41pm |
I see the GOP brought out their best and brightest tonight...
GOP attendee ejected for throwing nuts at African American CNN camera woman + saying "This is how we feed animals." @takeactionnews #TAN— David Shuster (@DavidShuster) August 29, 2012
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:01:33pm |
Hey, guys—*turns around*—am I bleeding anywhere? Those dings really hurt.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:01:42pm |
The network talking heads that come on after the speeches and make summary comments ... why do they sound like their in an Onion piece?
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:01:54pm |
I missed the part of Christie's speech when he discussed how he lowered unemployment in NJ. What did he say? #rnc2012
— David Corn (@DavidCornDC) August 29, 2012
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spiderx Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:02:17pm |
Drudge headline has a picture of Ann Romney with the headline "Mrs America"
the implication being that Michelle Obama is not American.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:02:43pm |
Maddow: "an awesome spectacle of political selfishness."
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:03:31pm |
One thing is clear about the GOP after tonight...they don't like Mitt Romney.#p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 29, 2012
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:04:29pm |
re: #221 jaunte
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He was too busy patting himself on the back for his union busting.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:04:29pm |
re: #219 CuriousLurker
Hey, guys—*turns around*—am I bleeding anywhere? Those dings really hurt.
[Link: video.search.yahoo.com...]
what are you going to do? bleed on me?
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:04:54pm |
Breaking News: Reports are coming in that a black person has been spotted inside the Republican convention.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:04:58pm |
---> RT @arimelber: It's OK to have some speeches that aren't about the nominee, but not most of them, and not the keynote.— Zerlina Maxwell (@ZerlinaMaxwell) August 29, 2012
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:05:07pm |
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:06:25pm |
re: #227 Gus
Breaking News: Reports are coming in that a black person has been spotted inside the Republican convention.
INCONCEIVABLE!
Image: inconceivable_.jpg
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:06:32pm |
If you have to work this hard to 'humanize' your candidate, your candidate isn't human. #p2— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 29, 2012
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:07:47pm |
re: #185 compound_Idaho
on average ...... true
Prove it. You're just pulling crap out of your ass.
Texas: Average teacher's salary, $41,744. Top 20% income: $91,705. Two teachers salaries doesn't put them in the top 20%. Neither do a lot of other states.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.teacherportal.com...]
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funky chicken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:08:17pm |
re: #99 Cleo O'Sod McEire
GI Bill? SOCIALISM!
Wait. What? The post-911 GI Bill was one of the first things Obama signed after he took office. It allows guys who have been serving since 911 to transfer benefits to dependents. W didn't, and McCain said he wouldn't because it would cost too much.
Wow.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:08:39pm |
re: #165 Charles Johnson
TRUST MITT.
JUST TRUST HIM.
YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.
-- OR BURN IN SLACKLESSNESS TRYING NOT TO!
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:09:08pm |
re: #232 Obdicut
Prove it. You're just pulling crap out of your ass.
Texas: Average teacher's salary, $41,744. Top 20% income: $91,705. Two teachers salaries doesn't put them in the top 20%. Neither do a lot of other states.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.teacherportal.com...]
2X41=82
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:09:37pm |
If Chris Christie starts pulling stuff out of his arse we're going to be here all night.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:10:06pm |
re: #226 compound_Idaho
[Link: video.search.yahoo.com...]
what are you going to do? bleed on me?
Nah, apparently the dings lack the ability to do any real damage, but I can pretend to if it'll help.
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funky chicken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:10:28pm |
re: #171 engineer cat
here's the sad thing: christie is the best they have for the next preznidental nomination
Actually, I'm a John Huntsman fan, if he'd dump the anti-abortion stuff. Did you read his statement about why he's not attending the convention this year?
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:10:34pm |
Yeah. America is going broke because we pay teachers too much. And remember that education is a mess! Wait! I have an idea. Let's lower teachers salaries and benefits. That should attract and retain teachers to fix this education mess!
Problem solved.
//
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wheat-dogg Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:10:40pm |
Since I am in China, far from the madding RNC crowd, I want to thank all of you for giving me --in a brief and humorous way -- the gist of what they did and said. I can skip reading all the big media summaries now.
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nines09 Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:11:26pm |
Must go recharge. So much to think about. Scintillating robust commentary on incredibly lame bullshit notions and outright lies. Trying to picture Ann as stay at home mommy? Right.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:11:28pm |
Daily Kos: GOP boos Puerto Rico at convention! Chants "USA! USA!" dailykos.com/story/2012/08/... via @dailykos— Arrogant Demon (@ArrogantDemon) August 29, 2012
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:12:07pm |
re: #240 Gus
My sister is a teacher; she actually did the 60 kids in a class thing for as long as she could take it, then fled to a private school for fewer students and less pay.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:12:13pm |
Mitt Romney has watched c-beams glitter in the dark near Tannhäuser Gate.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:12:27pm |
re: #239 funky chicken
Actually, I'm a John Huntsman fan, if he'd dump the anti-abortion stuff. Did you read his statement about why he's not attending the convention this year?
Best thing about Huntsman to me as someone who usually votes Democratic is how Huntsman approaches foreign policy. Plus for someone who governed a bright red state, he's not a foaming at the mouth partisan. I probably wouldn't vote for him for president if he ever got nominated but I would like to see more Republicans like him.
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:12:32pm |
re: #239 funky chicken
Actually, I'm a John Huntsman fan, if he'd dump the anti-abortion stuff. Did you read his statement about why he's not attending the convention this year?
John Huntsman has a better chance of winning the Democratic nomination than he does the Republican one. He may also stand a better chance of being nominated as Chief Rabbi of Israel than getting the GOP nod.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:13:04pm |
Two things I learned tonight. #1: Nobody on that stage tonight other than Ann Romney likes Mitt. #2: Truth was denied entry at the convention center door.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:13:07pm |
re: #243 Gus
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Are they not aware that Puerto Rico is part of the same USA! Morons.
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nines09 Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:13:21pm |
re: #233 funky chicken
Wait. What? The post-911 GI Bill was one of the first things Obama signed after he took office. It allows guys who have been serving since 911 to transfer benefits to dependents. W didn't, and McCain said he wouldn't because it would cost too much.
Wow.
If you did not know Christie was a GOP gov and you listened to the bulk of his speech with the words he used, you would think he was hammering the GOP.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:13:44pm |
re: #235 compound_Idaho
2X41=82
82 < $91.
So, an average two-teacher household in Texas makes below the top 20% of income. You were wrong.
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wheat-dogg Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:14:53pm |
re: #244 jaunte
My sister is a teacher; she actually did the 60 kids in a class thing for as long as she could take it, then fled to a private school for fewer students and less pay.
60 kids in a classroom is the norm in China, even for elementary school. They are expected to sit quietly at their desks while the teacher expounds knowledge. My teacher friends, however, report that getting 60 kids to sit quietly at their desks is like herding 60 cats.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:15:12pm |
re: #243 Gus
1. Update, 11:05 p.m.. Buzzfeed’s Zeke Miller suggests in his writeup of the chaos that the “U.S.A.” chant began as a response to chants of “Point of Order” by Ron Paul supporters.
Gawker had the same article and made the same correction.
I really can't tell from the video how this went down.
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Varek Raith Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:15:12pm |
Mitt Romney looked like Prince Charles visiting New Guinea.
- Chris Matthews.
Lol.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:15:14pm |
re: #236 HappyWarrior
82.
OK 70 something. BFD. oh don't forget that is based on a 1300-1400 hr contract.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:16:22pm |
I'm a little skeptical about that CNN camerawoman story. Could simply be CNN derangement. Heck. I remember not too long ago here at LGF back in 2008 when posting a link to CNN was like coming out of the closet to your parent about being gay or something. Communist News Network!!11ty
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:17:41pm |
re: #257 Gus
...I remember not too long ago here at LGF back in 2008 when posting a link to CNN was like coming out of the closet to your parent about being gay or something. Communist News Network!!11ty
Sheesh.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:18:39pm |
re: #258 CuriousLurker
Sheesh.
Actual comment I just found:
Yes Somolia is when I lost faith in CNN (Communist News Network)! God rest your soul PVT Long......I just hope that the "muslim convert" is found fit for trial and prosecuted!
+7
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:19:01pm |
Tough crowd:
I like the idea of the christie speech, not sure how much i liked the speech— Rich Lowry (@RichLowry) August 29, 2012
No starbursts, then?
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:19:08pm |
re: #256 compound_Idaho
OK 70 something. BFD. oh don't forget that is based on a 1300-1400 hr contract.
It's also based on massive amounts of unpaid overtime for grading papers, creating lesson plans, etc. Also most teachers end up paying out of pocket for a significant amount of their classroom supplies. My ex wife was a middle school teacher, you clearly have no clue how difficult, draining and undervalued the profession is.
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ozbloke Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:19:22pm |
re: #257 Gus
I'm a little skeptical about that CNN camerawoman story. Could simply be CNN derangement. Heck. I remember not too long ago here at LGF back in 2008 when posting a link to CNN was like coming out of the closet to your parent about being gay or something. Communist News Network!!11ty
Is the story at cnn?
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CarleeCork Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:20:00pm |
re: #222 spiderx
Drudge headline has a picture of Ann Romney with the headline "Mrs America"
the implication being that Michelle Obama is not American.
According to the wingnuts she is a Wookie. The current first lady is the finest this country has seen in years.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:20:17pm |
re: #261 goddamnedfrank
It's also based on massive amounts of unpaid overtime for grading papers, creating lesson plans, etc. Also most teachers end up paying out of pocket for a significant amount of their classroom supplies. My ex wife was a middle school teacher, you clearly have no clue how difficult, draining and undervalued the profession is.
It's a full time job. Teachers these days not only have to teach material obviously but they also have to prep students for standardized tests. It's a tough job that should get more respect than it gets.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:21:28pm |
After watching all of the speeches, no one really told the American people who #Romney is. #RNC2012
— L. Joy Williams (@ljoywilliams) August 29, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:21:52pm |
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:21:57pm |
re: #264 HappyWarrior
It's a tough job that should get more respect than it gets.
What is more important to sustaining civilization than educating the young? Pretty short list.
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CuriousLurker Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:21:57pm |
re: #256 compound_Idaho
OK 70 something. BFD. oh don't forget that is based on a 1300-1400 hr contract.
My, my, aren't you being Mr. Crankypants tonight. Did you miss your afternoon nap again?
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ozbloke Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:23:21pm |
re: #265 Gus
This one: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Thanks Gus,
That's the only place I have seen it.
Was wondering whether its anywhere else.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:23:54pm |
re: #268 Mich-again
What is more important to sustaining civilization than educating the young? Pretty short list.
Outside our parents, I think teachers have the biggest role in teaching our kids. Hell, the older I get the more grateful I am to my teachers. We really don't respect them enough and it pisses me off that they're used as scapegoats and an easy target for union bashers.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:23:59pm |
re: #266 jaunte
[Embedded content]
The general theme seemed to be "Democrats believe this, Mitt Romney doesn't believe that..." while waxing poetic about something called "The American Dream."
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CarleeCork Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:24:26pm |
re: #261 goddamnedfrank
Substitute here, long-term assignments. It's a tough job.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:24:40pm |
re: #261 goddamnedfrank
It's also based on massive amounts of unpaid overtime for grading papers, creating lesson plans, etc. Also most teachers end up paying out of pocket for a significant amount of their classroom supplies. My ex wife was a middle school teacher, you clearly have no clue how difficult, draining and undervalued the profession is.
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:24:46pm |
re: #270 ozbloke
TPM has this:
In a written statement, CNN addressed the matter but divulged few details: “CNN can confirm there was an incident directed at an employee inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum earlier this afternoon. CNN worked with convention officials to address this matter and will have no further comment.”
[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:24:58pm |
Mitt Headroom
Only his head and shoulders were depicted, usually against a "computer generated" backdrop of a slowly rotating wire-frame cube interior, which was also initially generated by analogue means - in this case traditional cel animation, though later actual computer graphics were employed for the backdrop. Another distinguishing trademark of Max was his chaotic speech patterns - his voice would seemingly randomly pitch up or down, or occasionally get stuck in a loop. These modulations also appeared when the character was performed live.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:25:01pm |
re: #258 CuriousLurker
Sheesh.
I should know! Here watch!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
Gus 802 - Former Wingnut
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:26:12pm |
re: #234 Mich-again
-- OR BURN IN SLACKLESSNESS TRYING NOT TO!
One of these guys is a preternaturally disingenuous snake oil salesman obsessed with wealth, possessed of very little introspective self awareness, and capable of hypocritcal doublethink that our most cutting-edge science still lacks the tools to measure. He's a natural-born flim-flam artist, severely distrusted even by many of his followers. He's famously identified with a religious movement which is so absurd that many outsiders assume it's a parody of an insane UFO cult.
Another one of these guys is a piece of 1950s advertising clip art.
And the remaining guy is the 2012 Republican nominee for President of the United States.
CAN YOU TELL WHICH IS WHICH?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:27:38pm |
Sanity break from all the RNC fail:
ABC Orders Marvel's 'S.H.I.E.L.D.' to Pilot From Joss Whedon j.mp/SQ4x4l— THR Live Feed (@TheLiveFeed) August 29, 2012
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ozbloke Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:27:50pm |
re: #276 jaunte
TPM has this:
Thank you Jaunte, its odd that CNN would 'have no further comment', I would have thought it would be a big story.
I don't doubt it could have happened, well except for the part where they say the person was removed.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:29:22pm |
Whatever you do, don't read that thread. For sanity's sake. We used to get pretty cavemannish.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:30:08pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
Grading papers keeps my 65 year old mom up past midnight many nights of the week.
You're a piece of work. Teachers are some of the most important people in our society, and you're upset because a couple of teachers living and working together can make a decent income.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:30:18pm |
Moog. Mongo not like Communist News Network. Make mongo angry. Moog. Moozlim no like. Make Mongo very angry.
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:30:33pm |
re: #280 Lidane
Sanity break from all the RNC fail:
[Embedded content]
Nice. They've been talking about a Marvel show for a while. The Shield aspect lets them bring in a bunch of stuff.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:30:59pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
It's all about you, isn't it. You built everything, educated yourself, paved the roads your business and clients use, provided your own clean water and judicial system.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:31:42pm |
re: #275 freetoken
Ann told us Mitt is "love".
And Chris Christie told us to choose respect over love...
...way to get the messaging consistent there, folks.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:31:56pm |
re: #281 ozbloke
CNN probably doesn't want to make a big deal out of it while they're trying to cover the convention.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:32:56pm |
In Rick Snyder's Michigan the school boards have been armed with clubs to beat the life out of teacher's unions. However, Snyder being the political outsider did not consider that local school boards are elected doofuses who don't always have the kids in mind.
In Taylor Mi where the teachers have taken pay cuts in the 20% range in the last two years the district still pays their 100+ bus drivers 8 hours a day, year round, even when there is no school, plus a full health care package. There are more non-teacher union members in the district than there are teachers.
Funny that the GOP wrote all those new rules to let school boards beat up on teachers not figuring that they were just giving the janitors and bus driver's AFSME union an upper hand over the teacher's union.
Its what happens when ALEC writes your Bills.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:33:07pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
Ripping on public school teachers because they get overpaid and underworked?
Is this real life?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:33:58pm |
re: #285 Kragar
Nice. They've been talking about a Marvel show for a while. The Shield aspect lets them bring in a bunch of stuff.
I'm excited. It could allow them to introduce heroes that might not merit a full film, but who could show up in future movies as supporting characters.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:34:28pm |
re: #252 wheatdogg
60 kids in a classroom is the norm in China, even for elementary school. They are expected to sit quietly at their desks while the teacher expounds knowledge. My teacher friends, however, report that getting 60 kids to sit quietly at their desks is like herding 60 cats.
The teacher has to run an electric can opener first in order to get their undivided attention.
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ozbloke Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:34:53pm |
re: #291 erik_t
Ripping on public school teachers because they get overpaid and underworked?
Is this real life?
Is it just fantasy?
Caught in the real life, no escaped from reality.
Easy come easy go.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:35:47pm |
“In the high school classroom you are a drill sergent, a rabbi, a shoulder to cry on, a disciplinarian, a singer, a low-level scholar, a clerk, a referee, a clown, a counselor, a dress-code enforcer, a conductor, an apologist, a philosopher, a collaborator, a tap dancer, a politician, a therapist, a fool, a traffic cop, a priest, a mother-father-brother-sister-uncle-aunt, a bookeeper, a critic, a psychologist, the last straw.”
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:36:01pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
Seriously? You're trying to say that a teacher has it easy?
Dude, not cool. I know plenty of teachers -- some who are even Republican -- that would rip your head off for suggesting that.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:37:41pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
It's all about you, isn't it. You built everything, educated yourself, paved the roads your business and clients use, provided your own clean water and judicial system.
This is what really galls me about so many so-called "conservatives" - always, always acting as if their anecdotes = data and no one in the history of the world ever had a life experience different from theirs.
I don't know any people who had sex in high school, so there's no way it's commonplace!
My town is cheap to live in, so no one ever struggles to pay rent!
...and on it goes (note the above are only slight exaggerations of comments I've seen here on occasion from the worst offenders)
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:39:55pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
Yeah. Times are harsh in this country. Why pay teachers who typically now need a masters degree in education which aren't free. Yep. Instead we have billionaire mimbos raking in billions over a lifetime for bouncing a ball back and forth on a wood floor court and throwing it in a round basket thingy.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:40:40pm |
Chris Christie delivered the Menote Speech— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) August 29, 2012
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:41:25pm |
Forget teachers! We have reality TV programming to produce! Drunken, idiotic, pathetic reality stars to pay millions a year! Priorities people! Priorities.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:41:28pm |
Shit we have executives who get bonuses larger than many teacher's salaries. If one wants to know why it's hollow as hell to whine about teachers' salaries and benefits when stuff like that is going on. I can't help ya at all. And yes I'm aware of private versus public but then again there are private school teachers as well of course.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:41:29pm |
re: #279 What Would Spalding Gray Do?
One of these guys is a preternaturally disingenuous snake oil salesman obsessed with wealth, possessed of very little introspective self awareness, and capable of hypocritcal doublethink that our most cutting-edge science still lacks the tools to measure. He's a natural-born flim-flam artist, severely distrusted even by many of his followers. He's famously identified with a religious movement which is so absurd that many outsiders assume it's a parody of an insane UFO cult.
Another one of these guys is a piece of 1950s advertising clip art.
And the remaining guy is the 2012 Republican nominee for President of the United States.
CAN YOU TELL WHICH IS WHICH?
Santorum would fit right in that lineup too.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:42:03pm |
Snooki and people like that make more in this country than teachers. And that is sad.Real fuckin' sad.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:42:17pm |
That's one of this country's greatest failings in this post-modern world. Billions going to pay total idiots to entertain us.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:43:04pm |
Ann Romney and Chris Christie Fight Over Love
...did anyone else notice that even Ann Romney was almost entirely unable to humanize Mitt? She talked about the things he had done, but hardly at all about the kind of person he is. There was a brief reference to Mitt being "warm and loving and patient" — and helpful to friends in trouble — but after that it was all about Mitt being hardworking and successful. In other words, pretty much the corporate drone we all think he is. I doubt very much that this really helped the Republican cause with women much.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:43:23pm |
Bwahaha:
It makes sense that Republicans would flock to Tampa strip clubs. They love telling women what to do with their bodies.— Stephen Colbert (@StephenAtHome) August 29, 2012
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:43:40pm |
re: #305 Gus
That's one of this country's greatest failings in this post-modern world. Billions going to pay total idiots to entertain us.
It's true. Entertainment has become our #1 national priority.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:44:04pm |
re: #283 Obdicut
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:44:10pm |
re: #307 Interesting Times
Bwahaha:
[Embedded content]
I imagined him saying that in his Col-bear character.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:45:06pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water.
Except when they get laid off or furloughed for reasons entirely unrelated to their job performance.
Moron.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:45:22pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
whaaaa! crybaby
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:46:05pm |
re: #311 erik_t
Except when they get laid off or furloughed for reasons entirely unrelated to their job performance.
Moron.
Dude, I am laid off at the end of every job.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:46:33pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
FFS, dude.
Every single day as a teacher you put in hours and hours of unpaid overtime. Grading, lesson plans, organizing teaching materials--that's the crap that has to be done every week, every day. To say nothing of administrative duties; "voluntary" work you're implicitly obligated to engage in; and built-in responsibilities like acting as confessor, counselor, disciplinarian and part-time parent.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:46:35pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
Well gee whiz. That used to be part of the American dream wasn't it? Your "paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water." You think it's just the freaking teachers? What kind of argument is this?
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:46:53pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water.
As does anyone's with a salary. And no, not come hell or high water; come them going to their job and doing their job.
I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too.
How does your position matter at all? Teachers get paid about the average for people with their educational level. A little bit lower. They have long hours, and have to deal with kids all day long, often in substandard environments.
You want to whine and complain about your life and how hard you have it, feel free, but why the fuck do you need to shit on teachers just because they get a regular paycheck? This makes no fucking sense.
You think teachers deserve less money because the career you chose for yourself takes you away from home? How are these things connected in your head?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:47:31pm |
re: #287 goddamnedfrank
It's all about you, isn't it. You built everything, educated yourself, paved the roads your business and clients use, provided your own clean water and judicial system.
It goes much deeper than that:
You wisely chose not to be born into a chaotic family full of drug-addicts, alcoholics, and/or career criminals. Fingers firmly in your bootstraps, you courageously elected not to have Down syndrome, or cerebral palsy, or club feet. You wisely picked the wealthiest of all the countries on the planet to be born in. You wouldn't have settled for Somalia or North Korea, hell no! Admirably, you elected not to become an orphan before the age of 5.
Later in life, you took responsibility for making sure that neither your spouse nor your offspring was unexpectedly diagnosed with a life-threatening disease, and neither did you allow them to become involved in a life-changing accident.
Yes, your immovable will and amazing aplomb have empowered you to deftly sculpt the universe into the breathtaking monument to YOU that all people everywhere look upon in envy. This Bud's for you.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:47:45pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
well then as a good republican you should take personal responsibility for your decision to pursue the carreer you chose and quit complaining.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:48:41pm |
I never knew this. Teachers get paid every week? This is an outrage and we must not stand for it!
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:48:52pm |
re: #314 compound_Idaho
Dude, I am laid off at the end of every job.
So you're butthurt that your life isn't the best, therefore teachers should get shat on?
The steamy stuff rolls downhill, or at least the Republican party convinces people it should. This is how they get people to vote against their own self-interest, I guess.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:50:08pm |
re: #322 Gus
I will admit that it is true. Both my parents are teachers, and when we were growing up I saw it. Every week they taught a full course of classes, my mom teaching freshman English at RIC for more than twenty years, to kids who often couldn't write a grammatical sentence, and every week they got a paycheck.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:50:28pm |
A self-proclaimed scientist apparently doesn't understand the value of education.
We live in strange times.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:51:31pm |
I was hoping to purchase a new Trinity yacht, but all the damn teachers had gotten to the waiting list first.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:51:46pm |
re: #323 erik_t
So you're butthurt that your life isn't the best, therefore teachers should get shat on?
The steamy stuff rolls downhill, or at least the Republican party convinces people it should. This is how they get people to vote against their own self-interest, I guess.
This mentality has to put down others so that they can feel better about themselves. Its a defense mechanism...goddamn teachers making 40 thousand a year! WTF, I am better than them!
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:51:56pm |
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:52:17pm |
New topic
I just found that Spotify Playlists embed in Pages with the video embed feature. I was just kinda testing. *fingers crossed*
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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bratwurst Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:52:30pm |
re: #328 Fozzie Bear
A self-proclaimed scientist apparently doesn't understand the value of education.
We live in strange times.
You would think he'd just...you know...BECOME A TEACHER and live the good life!
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Kragar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:53:08pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:53:12pm |
I just like how Republicans pretend that nothing matters more to them than family. Except when it comes time to pay the people who are responsible for their children's education and safety during their most formative years. We demand that our primary and secondary education teachers be experts in their fields, under take continuing education themselves, have or be on their way to attaining graduate degrees, and deal with the cumulative life bullshit dredged into and out of their rooms by between 30 and 150 children every day. Each and every one of those children has their own familial issues, individual personalities, and complex reactions to issues ranging from basic interpersonal friendships, fallouts and bullying to a developing sexuality and religious indoctrination.
Teachers are tasked with actually getting knowledge through to a population that in many cases is being actively undermined with propaganda against the very idea of critical thinking skills, evolution and civics in a secular democracy. All of that bullshit is basically coming from one side in our political debate, so it should come as no surprise that this is the same side that undervalues them and attacks their rights to organize for better treatment.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:53:18pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
I have a fucking idea because I own my own business too. I also have another fucking idea because an old friend is a 5th grade science teacher, HS wrestling coach, and he usually does one other class a year.
My SIL and BIL are both teachers, plus coach sports in school.
They spend as many hours on their jobs as I do on mine. Which is a lot.
Ignorant.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:53:20pm |
re: #316 Gus
Well gee whiz. That used to be part of the American dream wasn't it? Your "paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water." You think it's just the freaking teachers? What kind of argument is this?
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:53:47pm |
re: #328 Fozzie Bear
A self-proclaimed scientist apparently doesn't understand the value of education.
We live in strange times.
What's bizarre to me is that the average teacher salaries are just, well, normal. They're nothing that great. Less than a lot of jobs, more than other jobs. Why people choose teachers as the people to suspect are getting a sweet ride I have no fucking clue.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:54:03pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
Yeah. You really got us man. Damn. We've been pwnd!
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alpuz Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:54:14pm |
re: #330 blueraven
Welcome to Wisconsin circa 2012. Guess what.. that mentality reelected Scott Walker.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:54:15pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
I think people are tired of politics based more on resentment than gratitude. It's particularly galling for someone who works in a field entirely dependent on good educators to so obviously resent the very group of people who made his occupation possible
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:54:29pm |
re: #338 Obdicut
What's bizarre to me is that the average teacher salaries are just, well, normal. They're nothing that great. Less than a lot of jobs, more than other jobs. Why people choose teachers as the people to suspect are getting a sweet ride I have no fucking clue.
Well, I thought this due to the awesomeness of their getting every summer off.
Of course, I was twelve.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:54:40pm |
re: #328 Fozzie Bear
A self-proclaimed scientist apparently doesn't understand the value of education.
Well, when you take a closer look at GOP "science"...
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:54:43pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
You claimed something that wasn't true, and then engaged in a big whinefest of self-pity, while for some reason deciding that teacher's are the ones on easy street.
You should have been there, man, it was bizarre.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:55:43pm |
re: #321 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
well then as a good republican you should take personal responsibility for your decision to pursue the carreer you chose and quit complaining.
I don't think it's a complaint: it's Randian Bravado at the expense of all the other poor saps that accepted a lower paying job with a steady paycheck doing something so pathetic as teaching kids spellinz and maths.
This is the Tea Party, loud, proud, and low browed.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:55:51pm |
re: #337 BryanS
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
The solution I found to this problem was to bill more, sell more, and hire more people to help. After a while you find you have more income security. It really has nothing to do with how teachers are underpaid.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:56:09pm |
re: #337 BryanS
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
So why does he need to diss teachers?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:56:23pm |
re: #340 alpuz
Welcome to Wisconsin circa 2012. Guess what.. that mentality reelected Scott Walker.
I'd argue what reelected Walker was a public tired of the recall and eager to be done with the whole mess in as expedient a manner as possible. The fervor that had driven the demonstrations and the recall effort to begin with had been replaced with malaise and general apathy.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:56:36pm |
re: #337 BryanS
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
So what? What does that have to do with his false claim that most teachers are in the 1%, or his general attitude towards them?
I'm fine with saying that it sounds like he works his ass off for the money he makes. But so do teachers, so he has no fucking point he's making.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:57:17pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
As my friend who's a school teacher would say, 'wow this dude is a moron.'
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:57:41pm |
re: #338 Obdicut
What's bizarre to me is that the average teacher salaries are just, well, normal. They're nothing that great. Less than a lot of jobs, more than other jobs. Why people choose teachers as the people to suspect are getting a sweet ride I have no fucking clue.
I wouldn't select teaching as a career, though I think I'd like to do that some time if ever I have enough savings to retire early . Do a little teaching at a local university, but it doesn't pay like the private sector does.
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compound_Idaho Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:57:58pm |
re: #344 Obdicut
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:58:00pm |
OK, here's my message to Chris Christie and it is not snark or a fat joke: Please Mr. Christie loss some weight, you look unhealthy and it makes me kinda sad. Too many people with diabetes, HTN, etc. Don't be one of them.
That is all.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:58:10pm |
re: #337 BryanS
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
He'd have been cut slack if he'd acknowledged his statement about a two teacher household being in the top 20% being inaccurate and leaving it at that. But he decided to dig himself deeper and got called on it.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:58:25pm |
Teachers get paid every week whether Johnny learns to read or not, but Bain executives only get paid when they successfully raid a company's assets.
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erik_t Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:58:51pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:59:32pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
Do you know what a furlough is?
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:59:38pm |
re: #353 moderatelyradicalliberal
OK, here's my message to Chris Christie and it is not snark or a fat joke: Please Mr. Christie loss some weight, you look unhealthy and it makes me kinda sad. Too many people with diabetes, HTN, etc. Don't be one of them.
That is all.
I've been saying that for a while. Not a fan and didn't vote for him by any stretch, but I have family members dealing with the same problem.
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alpuz Tue, Aug 28, 2012 8:59:41pm |
re: #348 Targetpractice
I'd argue that the teacher's were and still are being demonized as lazy thugs, goons, and leeches for getting paid to do their jobs. By the same people who voted Walker into office for the second time.
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gwangung Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:00:43pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
So would a lout who took a steaming dump in my living room.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:00:46pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
Of course they take a risk. They take the risk that their district will be closed down in budget cuts and they'll be unable to find work. It's the risk that all professional workers who depend on a salary take.
Small business owners (of which I am one) are not the only risk-takers. So is anyone who pursues a career; you're risking everything that that career will sustain you, that you'll be able to get jobs in it that will keep you going.
Yeah, teachers often have steady work because we always need schools. That doesn't mean it's zero risk, especially when short-sighted assholes slash budgets for public schools and send the money in voucher form to crazy religious schools.
Ask the teachers in Louisiana watching the budgets for their schools implode if they have no risk.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:00:57pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
I'm a consulting scientist, I have an M.S. in Photography / Modern Imaging Systems. What's your field, level of education, and why do you think what you do is so much more difficult compared to the responsibility you entrust the people tasked with educating your children and providing them a safe environment for them to be educated in?
You're coming off like a self aggrandizing spoiled brat. No matter how hard we have to scramble sometimes to get work done I look around and don't see anybody placing their children's lives and minds in our care. Have a little humility and empathy for people who do what you either can't or won't for a living.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:01:21pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
Even if that were true ( and I dont think it is) WTF difference does it make?
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allegro Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:01:59pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
Some teacher took away your bubble gum when you were what 6? 7 years old? Amirite? Time to grow up and get over it, cupcake.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:02:00pm |
re: #337 BryanS
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
No. It's the same old right wing broken record about teachers which all revolves around teacher's unions. It's an obsession based largely on the liberal bent of people in the teaching profession. It's the same as the "liberal academia" garbage we hear from places like Frontpage and other conservative mouth pieces. There are problems with unions but the right wing makes teachers and their unions sound like a pandemic that will kill everyone in site. It's 90 percent hysteria.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:02:13pm |
You know who our society really undervalues? Mexican cooks.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:02:29pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
Firefighters make okay money. They take huge risk.
Bankers make excellent money. They take little risk.
What's your point?
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:02:42pm |
re: #359 alpuz
I'd argue that the teacher's were and still are being demonized as lazy thugs, goons, and leeches for getting paid to do their jobs. By the same people who voted Walker into office for the second time.
IIRC, Walker won reelection by roughly the same margin he did the first time around. No, the people who voted for him were the ones who supported his ass to begin with. What put him over the top was a general lack of support for throwing him out. People lost sight of it being about his union-busting and came to see the recall as a referendum on him as a governor. And they couldn't find enough wrong in his actions to justify throwing him out.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:03:10pm |
re: #349 Obdicut
So what? What does that have to do with his false claim that most teachers are in the 1%, or his general attitude towards them?
I'm fine with saying that it sounds like he works his ass off for the money he makes. But so do teachers, so he has no fucking point he's making.
Just jumping in mid thread and didn't know the 1% claim.
According to the Wisconsin DPI, the average teacher salary + benefits in Milwaukee Public Schools got over $100k/teacher for this year, but it went down some due to contract renegotiations. Mostly it was the benefits package that saw reductions since those were pretty close to half the compensate.
$200k probably isn't yet top 1%, so that claim wouldn't really hold water.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:03:20pm |
re: #367 Fozzie Bear
Bankers make excellent money. They take
little riskhuge risks with everyone's money but their own.
Fixed.
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gwangung Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:03:20pm |
re: #351 BryanS
I wouldn't select teaching as a career, though I think I'd like to do that some time if ever I have enough savings to retire early . Do a little teaching at a local university, but it doesn't pay like the private sector does.
Just be aware....teaching in elementary school is different from teaching in high school...and both are VASTLY different from teaching at the college level.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:03:24pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
What the heck does that mean? Zero risk. You seem to have forgotten the amount of money it takes to earn a masters.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:03:46pm |
re: #367 Fozzie Bear
Firefighters make okay money. They take huge risk.
Bankers make excellent money. They take little risk.What's your point?
It's all about the $$$. You make more, you're worth more. You make less, you're worth less. You take risk, awesome. No risk, loathsome.
Not the world I want to live in.
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austin_blue Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:04:02pm |
Throw red meat to the base. TRUST MITTENS.
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calochortus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:04:37pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
And you have a greater potential reward. No one is likely to tell a teacher they're doing such a fabulous job that they're going to get a few hundred thousand extra bucks this year. How does this not match up with your world view?
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:04:58pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
That' not true. Teachers take risk when they take a public school teaching gig that their district will continue to be strong in the long term. Teacher's salaries are indexed year by year until they hit the top of the pay scale at 10 years seniority with a mandatory Master's Degree picked up along the way. (or something similar)
So they can't move around from job to job like every other young professional lest they start out back at entry level pay index in the next district over. Teacher's typically get one shot at a public school job and then they stay there till they can retire. Not a very glamorous career choice.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:05:09pm |
re: #362 goddamnedfrank
Dude, lay off the guy. He spends many nights a year reducing data, after all.
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
re: #337 BryanS
Cut the guy a little slack. It was pretty obvious to me what the point was. The point was that as an individual who runs his own consulting business, he doesn't have the same income security as that teacher who, yes, puts in a lot of work to earn their income. This is true of a lot of self employed people.
While we're on the subject of both Christie and teachers:
Bryan, Christie has decided to make teachers Enemy #1 in NJ. The bullshit line is "Oh, no, we love teachers! It's unions we hate!"
And guess what happens: everyone starts shitting on teachers like Compound ID, thinking that they've got this sweet deal, driving gold plated rocket cars and 5 vacation homes.
It's a hard fucking job, and it doesn't help when the guy who runs your state decides to paint you as the reason they're broke.
I salute Compound ID's work ethic, drive, and success. However, he's been a typical conservative asswipe when it comes to teaching. So, no, I will not cut him some slack.
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moderatelyradicalliberal Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
re: #358 Mattand
I've been saying that for a while. Not a fan and didn't vote for him by any stretch, but I have family members dealing with the same problem.
I honestly can't make a joke about his weight. It would be mean and he can't feel good about it emotionally or physically. I think he's a dick, but I don't want to see him pass out if he runs in 2016. I also don't want to hear the fat jokes either. I know too many people who are fucked up over their struggles with weight so it's not about aesthetics. But you can't be that fat and stay healthy and the chronic diseases caused by obesity are no joke.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
re: #361 Obdicut
Of course they take a risk. They take the risk that their district will be closed down in budget cuts and they'll be unable to find work. It's the risk that all professional workers who depend on a salary take.
Small business owners (of which I am one) are not the only risk-takers. So is anyone who pursues a career; you're risking everything that that career will sustain you, that you'll be able to get jobs in it that will keep you going.
Yeah, teachers often have steady work because we always need schools. That doesn't mean it's zero risk, especially when short-sighted assholes slash budgets for public schools and send the money in voucher form to crazy religious schools.
Ask the teachers in Louisiana watching the budgets for their schools implode if they have no risk.
The biggest risk they take is entering a career that has job security based almost 100% on seniority with no regard to ability or performance. Obama deserves some credit for pushing reforms on that front.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
The real reason that the GOP has zeroed in on teacher's unions is no big secret. Most teachers are women. Uppity women at that.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
The only teachers that make really good money are professors Barton and Limbaugh.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
re: #369 BryanS
I meant 20%. Anyway, in some places, a two-teacher household would be, on average, in the top 20%. But only in some places. In many, teachers are well below that top 20%.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:12:34pm |
re: #372 Gus
What the heck does that mean? Zero risk. You seem to have forgotten the amount of money it takes to earn a masters.
Yeah but since that risk was already taken it doesn't count. If I shoot a gun blindly into a crowd and it doesn't hit anybody, there was never any danger to anyone.
Didn't you know that's how risk works? /
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:14:35pm |
re: #376 Mich-again
That' not true. Teachers take risk when they take a public school teaching gig that their district will continue to be strong in the long term. Teacher's salaries are indexed year by year until they hit the top of the pay scale at 10 years seniority with a mandatory Master's Degree picked up along the way. (or something similar)
So they can't move around from job to job like every other young professional lest they start out back at entry level pay index in the next district over. Teacher's typically get one shot at a public school job and then they stay there till they can retire. Not a very glamorous career choice.
They also have to constantly cover their asses while navigating an ever shifting landscape of developing intellects, senses of agency / responsibility, weird attachments / fixations and sexuality ... and that's just the parents. All it takes is one bullshit accusation to destroy a career.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:14:49pm |
A Troubling Chant on the Convention Floor
"...There were energetic shouts of “Aye!” and “Nay!” as a Puerto Rican party functionary—Zoraida Fonalledas, the chairwoman of the Committee on Permanent Organization—took her turn at the main-stage lectern. As she began speaking in her accented English, some in the crowd started shouting “U.S.A.! U.S.A.!”
The chanting carried on for nearly a minute while most of the other delegates and the media stood by in stunned silence. The Puerto Rican correspondent turned to me and asked, “Is this happening?”
Video at link. Featuring, among others, some hatted yahoos from the Texas contingent.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:16:03pm |
re: #387 Gus
So, if they had more money, they might spread it around and not just shelter it in offshore accounts?
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:16:59pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
Bullshit they take zero risk. Tell the teachers in poor school districts that they don't take any risks.
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alpuz Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:17:09pm |
re: #368 Targetpractice
Sure. But they also hopped on the union teacher thug boat and have since then characterized the public school teachers as union thugs and goons. There has always been this sentiment here.. people sound just like utah compound, the teachers have their summers off therefor they don't deserve their lifestyles. People I know personally hate teachers because they're seen as leeches. Those people jumped on the Walker train.. I personally know them. They switched from Barrett to Walker and they believe Teachers are overpaid and don't earn their paycheck. It's not an isolated incident.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:17:17pm |
re: #388 jaunte
So, if they had more money, they might spread it around and not just shelter it in offshore accounts?
Indeed. Or as they might say, teachers buy washer and dryer sets.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:17:19pm |
re: #368 Targetpractice
IIRC, Walker won reelection by roughly the same margin he did the first time around. No, the people who voted for him were the ones who supported his ass to begin with. What put him over the top was a general lack of support for throwing him out. People lost sight of it being about his union-busting and came to see the recall as a referendum on him as a governor. And they couldn't find enough wrong in his actions to justify throwing him out.
That may have shown up in the polls, but who's really motivated to go out and vote for someone who 'didn't do enough to justify throwing him out'? Turnout was ridiculous--on both sides--as evidenced by turnout in liberal stronghold Dane county and conservative stronghold Waukesha county.
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CarleeCork Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:18:10pm |
re: #291 erik_t
Ripping on public school teachers because they get overpaid and underworked?
Is this real life?
To a certain class of dumbfucks, yeah.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:18:56pm |
You see. I don't think they really even believe in trickle down economics.
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CarleeCork Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:19:26pm |
re: #385 goddamnedfrank
They also have to constantly cover their asses while navigating an ever shifting landscape of developing intellects, senses of agency / responsibility, weird attachments / fixations and sexuality ... and that's just the parents. All it takes is one bullshit accusation to destroy a career.
Let's not forget children that can't read and come to class smelling of cat urine and no lunch money.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:19:42pm |
Holy crap. GOP chants down a Puerto Rican convention speaker because of her accent ..UGLY bit.ly/OIlVFY— Sam Seder (@SamSeder) August 29, 2012
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:20:51pm |
re: #386 jaunte
Holy crap. I'm trying to get my head around that.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:21:08pm |
re: #397 Lidane
So now that I read deeper into that, it seems they were trying to shout down the Ron Paul people, not the lady from Puerto Rico.
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andres Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:14pm |
re: #386 jaunte
A Troubling Chant on the Convention Floor
Video at link. Featuring, among others, some hatted yahoos from the Texas contingent.
Yes, this is happening. If you'd follow national politics more closely, besides what's spoon fed, you wouldn't be surprised.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:19pm |
re: #399 jaunte
So now that I read deeper into that, it seems they were trying to shout down the Ron Paul people, not the lady from Puerto Rico.
Yeah, I'm not sure they chanted USA over the spanish speaking woman, yet... but I'd not be surprised either. Still trying to make sense of it.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:27pm |
re: #397 Lidane
[Embedded content]
You can tell Preibus was embarrassed. This is your party, Reince.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:36pm |
re: #396 CarleeCork
Let's not forget children that can't read and come to class smelling of cat urine and no lunch money.
When my mom first started teaching, her school couldn't afford the books that she'd need for her class, so my mom would get to school hours ahead of time and hand write all of the material she was going to cover that day on the board. She'd also have to supply paper and pencils for some of her students who couldn't afford them, AND she was tasked with helping some of her kids improve their reading since she was teaching in middle school and some of the kids could barely read past the 3rd or 4th grade level.
Zero risk my ass. Teachers have a thankless job that's made harder by self-righteous douchebags who whine about unions instead of trying to find ways to help teachers.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:37pm |
re: #386 jaunte
A Troubling Chant on the Convention Floor
Video at link. Featuring, among others, some hatted yahoos from the Texas contingent.
Look at all the little brownshirts at the bierhall.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:40pm |
re: #378 Mattand
While we're on the subject of both Christie and teachers:
Bryan, Christie has decided to make teachers Enemy #1 in NJ. The bullshit line is "Oh, no, we love teachers! It's unions we hate!"
And guess what happens: everyone starts shitting on teachers like Compound ID, thinking that they've got this sweet deal, driving gold plated rocket cars and 5 vacation homes.
It's a hard fucking job, and it doesn't help when the guy who runs your state decides to paint you as the reason they're broke.
I salute Compound ID's work ethic, drive, and success. However, he's been a typical conservative asswipe when it comes to teaching. So, no, I will not cut him some slack.
There are legitimate compensation problems--benefits, not really salaries--for teachers. The pay scale is all wrong for teachers at primary and secondary levels just starting out. (too low. what good is tens of thousands in benefits, much of that for your pension, if you only get $30k to live on today while paying off college loans?)
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:22:59pm |
@angryblacklady it began with Paul delegates chanting "point of order". Romney delegates shouted them down with USA. Huge division. HUGE
— Karoli (@Karoli) August 29, 2012
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:23:13pm |
re: #399 jaunte
So now that I read deeper into that, it seems they were trying to shout down the Ron Paul people, not the lady from Puerto Rico.
That makes sense as well. Ron Paul supporters are such childish jackasses.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:23:47pm |
re: #406 jaunte
[Embedded content]
Yep. She hadn't even taken the podium yet.
The DNC needs to run this video, over and over, until november.
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wheat-dogg Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:24:26pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
Maybe because you're clueless.
Many teachers get paid once a month, not once a week. At least, that was my pay sked. Many work extra jobs or summers to make ends meet. I did that, too.
So, we have a steady income. Lots of other people do. Factory workers, doctors, lawyers, bank employees. So what? You chose your self-employment, so deal with it. My dad had his own business for 38 years, and we never had much money, but I never heard him complain about my teachers making too much money and having it easy.
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Interesting Times Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:24:30pm |
I just watched the creepiest movie. It was about a convention held by fish-eyed elite robots who emit viscous hate-clouds out of their faces— Paula Pell (@perlapell) August 29, 2012
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:25:04pm |
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:25:29pm |
re: #401 Kronocide
Yeah, I'm not sure they chanted USA over the spanish speaking woman, yet... but I'd not be surprised either. Still trying to make sense of it.
Maybe if conservatives and the GOP were constantly blowing racist dog whistles industrial air horns, people wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:26:18pm |
re: #412 Mattand
Maybe if conservatives and the GOP were constantly blowing racist
dog whistlesindustrial air horns, people wouldn't jump to that conclusion.
Or having candidates for office say that people from the Middle East shouldn't be allowed to emigrate here. Yeah, they talk about how they love the American Dream while at the same time being xenophobic jackals.
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Mocking Jay Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:26:50pm |
Just got home from a night at the Cheesecake Factory with some friends. Did I miss much?
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:27:08pm |
re: #403 Lidane
When my mom first started teaching, her school couldn't afford the books that she'd need for her class, so my mom would get to school hours ahead of time and hand write all of the material she was going to cover that day on the board. She'd also have to supply paper and pencils for some of her students who couldn't afford them, AND she was tasked with helping some of her kids improve their reading since she was teaching in middle school and some of the kids could barely read past the 3rd or 4th grade level.
Zero risk my ass. Teachers have a thankless job that's made harder by self-righteous douchebags who whine about unions instead of trying to find ways to help teachers.
Welcome to NJ. The sad thing is that Christie has convinced some teachers to support him.
Like chickens in support of KFC.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:27:24pm |
Here's more detail:
This display happened three times in the span of about ten minutes at the Republican National Convention today. A fight had been brewing since Sunday over a proposal to change the rules regarding delegate credentials in order to marginalize grassroots delegates (read that as Ron Paul delegates) by centralizing approval over delegate credentials with the candidate and committee.
[Link: crooksandliars.com...]
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:27:32pm |
re: #352 compound_Idaho
Teachers make okay money. They take zero risk.
My daughter teaches in a youth prison. She wears a panic alarm and industrial mace. She quit teaching in a 'normal' school after the second hospitalization. (The only injury she had at this school was in mandatory unarmed combat training.)
Why don't you teach? They'd love to have you.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:27:35pm |
What zero risk looks like:
According the U.S. Department of Education, 127,120 (4 percent) public school teachers (K-12) were physically attacked at school—hit, kicked, bitten, slapped, stabbed or shot—during the 2007-08 school year. Another 222,460 teachers (7 percent) were threatened by students with acts of violence.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:28:12pm |
re: #411 BryanS
Huh? I watched that on C-Span. I saw/heard no shout down.
wait...thought this was in reference to the evening speech by Puerto Rico first lady. following the link, that was indeed embarrassing.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:28:54pm |
re: #419 goddamnedfrank
What zero risk looks like:
So basically 11% of K-12 teachers have been attacked or threatened with violence. Yeah, such a cushy job.// Bunch of bullshit that is.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:29:56pm |
re: #417 jaunte
The #RNCpowergrab hashtag was alight this afternoon with people flipping their shit over the rules changes and over delegates being shut out. It was amazing to watch it unfold.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:30:13pm |
People ascribing some of the worst human disasters to lesser things. It's common these days.
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andres Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:30:41pm |
re: #401 Kronocide
Yeah, I'm not sure they chanted USA over the spanish speaking woman, yet... but I'd not be surprised either. Still trying to make sense of it.
It sure is awkward. There's something that is scream when Prieus is speaking, but I can't make it out.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:31:09pm |
People using words too loosely. Definitions, too loosely. Accusations even.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:32:00pm |
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:32:44pm |
re: #421 HappyWarrior
So basically 11% of K-12 teachers have been attacked or threatened with violence. Yeah, such a cushy job.// Bunch of bullshit that is.
I'd be in favor of smacking the little punks, but unfortunately mommy and daddy will support their little spoiled child. saw a story not long ago about a science teacher who used one of those dog lampshade things (similar idea to dunce cap) to embarrass people who acted up in class in order to keep order. She was otherwise considered a good teacher, but was fired for doing that. She challenged the decision and got to keep her job (but was moved to another school) because the school district had a hard time finding good science teachers.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:33:45pm |
re: #424 andres
It sure is awkward. There's something that is scream when Prieus is speaking, but I can't make it out.
Paulnuts were trying to raise a ruckus. But the scene looked creepy.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:34:03pm |
re: #422 Lidane
The #RNCpowergrab hashtag was alight this afternoon with people flipping their shit over the rules changes and over delegates being shut out. It was amazing to watch it unfold.
It was. But then the leadership snapped the delegates in line and it went away with a whimper. There was a bit of ruckus on the floor from some Paulians, but the rest were properly pistol-whipped into line and Willard was nominated to little fanfare.
Time will tell whether the GOP just avoided a major mess at the convention only to light the base aflame.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:34:23pm |
Just saw the clip of Ann Romney saying, "Mitt Romney wasn't handed success...HE BUILT IT!" then pausing for applause. It's obvious she hated having to use that crappy line, as she grimaced visibly.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:35:04pm |
re: #425 Gus
People using words too loosely. Definitions, too loosely. Accusations even.
You said that literally too loosely.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:35:16pm |
re: #426 Targetpractice
A mood of tension and gathering horror permeates the convention, which year by year grows to monstrous proportions, culminating in a shattering climax.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:35:16pm |
re: #399 jaunte
So now that I read deeper into that, it seems they were trying to shout down the Ron Paul people, not the lady from Puerto Rico.
That is very possible, but nevertheless, the optics are terrible and it was still rude as hell to the lady at the podium.
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andres Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:35:23pm |
re: #428 BryanS
Paulnuts were trying to raise a ruckus. But the scene looked creepy.
I'm interested on what was shouted. Maybe it was a Paulbot trying to make a fool of himself, but something seems off there.
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:35:37pm |
re: #405 BryanS
There are legitimate compensation problems--benefits, not really salaries--for teachers. The pay scale is all wrong for teachers at primary and secondary levels just starting out. (too low. what good is tens of thousands in benefits, much of that for your pension, if you only get $30k to live on today while paying off college loans?)
Tell that to your buddy Compound ID, of whom you asked everyone to cut some slack.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:35:40pm |
re: #430 darthstar
Just saw the clip of Ann Romney saying, "Mitt Romney wasn't handed success...HE BUILT IT!" then pausing for applause. It's obvious she hated having to use that crappy line, as she grimaced visibly.
I think she and Mitt both know that it's a lot of crap but politics is after all theater. I would also bet you that Mitt doesn't have the kindest words to say about the Tea Party and other groups like that in private either. God only knows what he thinks of people like Bryan Fischer too.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:36:31pm |
re: #422 Lidane
The #RNCpowergrab hashtag was alight this afternoon with people flipping their shit over the rules changes and over delegates being shut out. It was amazing to watch it unfold.
And it got zero mention on either o NYC's news radio stations tonight. The closest they got to it was a reporter saying there were Paulians 'demonstrating outside the convention.'
It's like it never happened. I'm wondering why.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:37:23pm |
re: #431 darthstar
You said that literally too loosely.
I challenge thee to a debate!
[Slaps own face with white gloves.]
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:37:30pm |
re: #436 HappyWarrior
I think she and Mitt both know that it's a lot of crap but politics is after all theater. I would also bet you that Mitt doesn't have the kindest words to say about the Tea Party and other groups like that in private either. God only knows what he thinks of people like Bryan Fischer too.
After he loses, he can try honesty on for size.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:38:04pm |
re: #432 jaunte
A mood of tension and gathering horror permeates the convention, which year by year grows to monstrous proportions, culminating in a shattering climax.
The whole thing was a rather Lovecraftian affair. Scott Walker certainly had the Innsmouth look about him. And Christie seemed to be speaking for another convention entirely.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:38:20pm |
re: #439 Gus
I challenge thee to a debate!
[Slaps own face with white gloves.]
I decline your challenge and declare myself the victor!
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:38:32pm |
re: #437 makeitstop
And it got zero mention on either o NYC's news radio stations tonight. The closest they got to it was a reporter saying there were Paulians 'demonstrating outside the convention.'
It's like it never happened. I'm wondering why.
Because the narrative about it was that it was a bunch of Ron Paul supporters doing it, so the story was largely ignored.
I suspect this is going to be one of those moments that is a blip on the radar for most people and a huge deal for the hardcore base who feels like they were ignored and screwed over today.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:38:32pm |
re: #73 erik_t
Is it typical for wives of candidates to make a convention speech?
Michelle spoke last time, didn't she? And I know Laura Bush spoke at the 2008 RNC, but that was about her outgoing husband.
I don't think it's uncommon. Cheap way to humanize the candidate.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:38:57pm |
Shoggoths lurk in the shadows of the hospitality tents.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:39:17pm |
re: #436 HappyWarrior
I would also bet you that Mitt doesn't have the kindest words to say about the Tea Party and other groups like that in private either.
I bet he turns into Hissy Mitt when he talks about the TeaBillies.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:39:34pm |
re: #440 darthstar
After he loses, he can try honesty on for size.
Honestly does not compute in the Romneybot2012 :). More seriously, I will be interested in seeing how he acts if he loses to Obama. Will since his presidential aspirations are over and thus not having to pander to GOP primary voters become return to the more moderate Mitt that ran against Ted Kennedy and ran for Governor or will he be spiteful and come across as a bitter sore loser which I think McCain sometimes does.
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Targetpractice Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:39:49pm |
re: #443 Lidane
Because the narrative about it was that it was a bunch of Ron Paul supporters doing it, so the story was largely ignored.
I suspect this is going to be one of those moments that is a blip on the radar for most people and a huge deal for the hardcore base who feels like they were ignored and screwed over today.
Considering the lengths they were going to get a roll call vote and the lengths the leadership went to in order to lock them out long enough to push through Willard's nomination, I think the base is gonna join the Freepers in deciding that enough is enough.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:40:46pm |
re: #444 SanFranciscoZionist
Michelle spoke last time, didn't she? And I know Laura Bush spoke at the 2008 RNC, but that was about her outgoing husband.
I don't think it's uncommon. Cheap way to humanize the candidate.
The fact that 'humanize' is a term that will be forever tied to Mitt Romney is something that should embarrass the GOP as a whole. And as I said earlier, if you have to work that hard to humanize your candidate, there's a good chance your candidate isn't human.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:41:10pm |
re: #447 HappyWarrior
Honestly does not compute in the Romneybot2012 :). More seriously, I will be interested in seeing how he acts if he loses to Obama. Will since his presidential aspirations are over and thus not having to pander to GOP primary voters become return to the more moderate Mitt that ran against Ted Kennedy and ran for Governor or will he be spiteful and come across as a bitter sore loser which I think McCain sometimes does.
I think Mitt will retroactively unretire from Bain and go back to what he does best, garbage picking in a suit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:41:12pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:41:22pm |
re: #446 Mich-again
I bet he turns into Hissy Mitt when he talks about the TeaBillies.
I would love to read an insider's account of Mitt Romney for that reason. I just get the impression he sees the Tea Party how he sees the rest of the country with a false superiority complex.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:41:30pm |
Can't wait for Romney's rebuttal on Thursday!— Tammy (@tamytoo2) August 29, 2012
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wheat-dogg Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:41:36pm |
re: #449 darthstar
The fact that 'humanize' is a term that will be forever tied to Mitt Romney is something that should embarrass the GOP as a whole. And as I said earlier, if you have to work that hard to humanize your candidate, there's a good chance your candidate isn't human.
They just to install a new emotion chip.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:42:02pm |
re: #449 darthstar
The fact that 'humanize' is a term that will be forever tied to Mitt Romney is something that should embarrass the GOP as a whole. And as I said earlier, if you have to work that hard to humanize your candidate, there's a good chance your candidate isn't human.
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makeitstop Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:42:08pm |
re: #443 Lidane
I suspect this is going to be one of those moments that is a blip on the radar for most people and a huge deal for the hardcore base who feels like they were ignored and screwed over today.
Judging by Malkin's tweets this afternoon, it's a huge deal to people like her and the Freepers. They really felt betrayed today.
But they'll probably just shut up and go along because black president.
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:42:09pm |
re: #429 Targetpractice
It was. But then the leadership snapped the delegates in line and it went away with a whimper. There was a bit of ruckus on the floor from some Paulians, but the rest were properly pistol-whipped into line and Willard was nominated to little fanfare.
Time will tell whether the GOP just avoided a major mess at the convention only to light the base aflame.
Hard to tell. Without Paul to lead them, I'm guessing they're going to fade back into the woodwork. Then again, Paul pretty much told Romney to fuck off when he said he wasn't endorsing him.
What I don't get is why they keep supporting the GOP. If they're that committed to Paul's ideals, they should be caucusing with the Libertarians.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:42:20pm |
The line out of the @rnc that I'll carry with me is, "This is how we feed the animals."— Dave Zirin (@EdgeofSports) August 29, 2012
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:43:02pm |
re: #447 HappyWarrior
Honestly does not compute in the Romneybot2012 :
From what I hear, that model lacks a logic board.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:44:11pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:44:38pm |
re: #457 Mattand
Hard to tell. Without Paul to lead them, I'm guessing they're going to fade back into the woodwork. Then again, Paul pretty much told Romney to fuck off when he said he wasn't endorsing him.
What I don't get is why they keep supporting the GOP. If they're that committed to Paul's ideals, they should be caucusing with the Libertarians.
If Paul had any balls himself, he'd switch to the Libertarians but he knows he can only get elected using the R label so he stays and bitches about a system that he's been a part of longer than I've been alive. I know he's definitely not establishment in the true sense of the word but Paul supporters are naive as shit if they think Ron Paul is this true outsider when he's been in DC on and off since the Carter years.
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The Ghost of a Flea Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:45:51pm |
Is it just me or is using the "U-S-A" chant to silence people especially creepy?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:46:27pm |
re: #460 Lidane
Yep. Mayor of San Antonio.
San Antonio is the seventh biggest city in the US population wise. That surprised me. Anyhow if he ever seeks higher office, you just know that they're going to be idiots that do with his surname what they did with Obama's.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:46:44pm |
re: #256 compound_Idaho
OK 70 something. BFD. oh don't forget that is based on a 1300-1400 hr contract.
Protip: you won't keep that job long if you're just working the contracted hours.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:46:58pm |
re: #463 The Ghost of a Flea
Is it just me or is using the "U-S-A" chant to silence people especially creepy?
Yes........and I wish I had thought of that.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:47:15pm |
re: #465 Gus
Now that I've seen the extended reports I think she was just collateral damage.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:47:24pm |
re: #463 The Ghost of a Flea
Is it just me or is using the "U-S-A" chant to silence people especially creepy?
Yeah talk about Orwellian. Freedom lovers squelching the opposition.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:47:27pm |
re: #463 The Ghost of a Flea
Is it just me or is using the "U-S-A" chant to silence people especially creepy?
Better than the booing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:00pm |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
How much do you make? Let us know so we can bitch about how overpaid you are for the work you do.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:01pm |
re: #456 makeitstop
Judging by Malkin's tweets this afternoon, it's a huge deal to people like her and the Freepers. They really felt betrayed today.
But they'll probably just shut up and go along because black president.
Erick, Son of Erick posted about it over at RedState and the Freepers picked it up here.
The comments are definitely interesting, that's for sure.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:05pm |
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:06pm |
re: #469 jaunte
Now that I've seen the extended reports I think she was just collateral damage.
OK. I'll recall my comments until I get further information.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:33pm |
re: #463 The Ghost of a Flea
Is it just me or is using the "U-S-A" chant to silence people especially creepy?
It's the only word most RNC delegates can spell.
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:57pm |
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:48:58pm |
re: #466 SanFranciscoZionist
Protip: you won't keep that job long if you're just working the contracted hours.
And many (most?) Education majors don't make it to retirement.
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Mattand Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:49:38pm |
re: #469 jaunte
Now that I've seen the extended reports I think she was just collateral damage.
As someone note earlier, the look on Preibus's face is priceless. Even if they weren't booing the Puerto Rican delegate, you can see ol' Reince calculating the political damage.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:50:10pm |
re: #309 compound_Idaho
But the teachers paycheck comes every week, every week, every week, come hell or high water. I have everything on the line; house, and retirement .... and I work past midnight too. I spend so many nights a year away from my family in shitty motels downloading and reducing data, getting ready for the next field day.
PS I built my business myself. Most people have no f'n idea. Such is the life of a consulting scientist.
Stop whining. No one made you build a business. If it's so fucking hard, get a teaching credential.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:50:41pm |
re: #457 Mattand
Hard to tell. Without Paul to lead them, I'm guessing they're going to fade back into the woodwork. Then again, Paul pretty much told Romney to fuck off when he said he wasn't endorsing him.
What I don't get is why they keep supporting the GOP. If they're that committed to Paul's ideals, they should be caucusing with the Libertarians.
Because Libertarian party has no chance to affect any of their policy priorities. GOP is the best of the two main options from their point of view.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:50:47pm |
Isaac continues to hug the coastline:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]
It was quite catty of those GOP preachers to direct the story away to Tampa and have it stall over a predominantly Democratic city.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:51:32pm |
Avoid the issues. Talk about what Obama's doing. Sermonize. Repeat.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:52:22pm |
re: #485 Gus
Avoid the issues. Talk about what Obama's doing. Sermonize. Repeat.
You don't have to love him.
-- RNC 2012
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:52:54pm |
re: #482 SanFranciscoZionist
Stop whining. No one made you build a business. If it's so fucking hard, get a teaching credential.
ha.. I was thinking, dude if you are trying to make a living as a scientist who Republicans consult in there is no wonder you hate people who get a regular paycheck.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:53:47pm |
To know him is to love, love him, and I do.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:53:57pm |
re: #331 compound_Idaho
Wow! as my dentist would say "I think I touched a nerve!"
Yeah, it annoys me to see a grown man whine like a baby because someone else is making more than forty thousand dollars in a career they trained extensively for.
What are you, some kind of socialist? Why do you hate success?
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:53:59pm |
re: #485 Gus
Avoid the issues. Talk about what Obama's doing. Sermonize. Repeat.
Blather, mince, repeat...
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andres Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:54:19pm |
re: #420 BryanS
wait...thought this was in reference to the evening speech by Puerto Rico first lady. following the link, that was indeed embarrassing.
PR First lady introduced Mrs Romney. The one shouted down is the Repub Chairwoman, iirc.
Sorry, very tired. Need sleep.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:54:55pm |
re: #491 Mich-again
Blather, mince, repeat...
Thank you. Good night. And may God Bless, the United States of America.
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jaunte Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:55:05pm |
re: #492 andres
Me too, for a second I read that as Repub Charwoman.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:55:25pm |
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 9:57:18pm |
...And to the Republic
For which it stands
One nation
Under God
Indivisible
With Liberty
and Justice
FOR ALL
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:00:58pm |
re: #421 HappyWarrior
So basically 11% of K-12 teachers have been attacked or threatened with violence. Yeah, such a cushy job.// Bunch of bullshit that is.
Guy I knew got called a faggot and punched hard enough in the face to split his lip. By an eighth grader, so he wasn't exactly in a position to defend himself.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:01:00pm |
re: #496 Gus
...And to the Republic
For which it stands
One nation
Under God
Indivisible
With Liberty
and JusticeFOR ALL
I like the original better
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:02:44pm |
re: #478 Decatur Deb
And many (most?) Education majors don't make it to retirement.
People burn out. I'm in the middle of trying to build an escape route myself.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:02:51pm |
The meh presidency.
-- Mitt Romney 2016
You think he'll try again?
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palomino Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:03:59pm |
re: #170 compound_Idaho
Teachers are not 1% ers. A two teacher household are 20% ers.
Yeah, those fucking fat cat teachers with their 5-digit incomes, used Toyota Corollas and whopping 600-sq. foot apartments.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:04:08pm |
Romney's campaign needs a turnaround specialist.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:04:27pm |
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darthstar Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:04:46pm |
Mitt Romney, still inhuman: wapo.st/OvuuFu #GOP2012— Stephen Stromberg (@strombergsteve) August 29, 2012
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tricstmr Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:05:12pm |
Re: #251,
Actually check out this link.. [Link: www.cppp.org...] ,
In 2005--the top quintile in TX made $118k a year--not 92. I seriously doubt it has fallen by $26k in this time--so the differential between two teachers and the top 20% is much larger than even you have noted..
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:05:12pm |
re: #501 palomino
Yeah, those fucking fat cat teachers with their 5-digit incomes, used Toyota Corollas and whopping 600-sq. foot apartments.
Colbert once did a 'Lifestyle of the Rich and Famous' style show on teachers. I especially liked the part where Samantha Bee tried to convince one lady to get in her (very small) bathtub with her, and drink champagne.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:05:20pm |
re: #497 SanFranciscoZionist
Guy I knew got called a faggot and punched hard enough in the face to split his lip. By an eighth grader, so he wasn't exactly in a position to defend himself.
Agh that's really fucked up. Really I can't express how much I appreciate people who teach. And to see them derided as thugs because they want better pay and benefits is just aggravating to me.
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Mich-again Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:05:24pm |
re: #503 HappyWarrior
Extreme campaign makeover?
I was thinking he should go with a Hip-Hop theme and become Vanilla Rmoney.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:05:50pm |
Haha, this is awesome:
I drove the Enterprise MT @nightcrawlerfan What did you do in high school? Besides be in the unofficial D&D club in your friend's basements.— Wil Wheaton (@wilw) August 29, 2012
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Decider Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:07:11pm |
RNC Attendee Allegedly Threw Nuts At Black CNN Camerawoman, Said ‘This Is How We Feed Animals’
[Link: 2012.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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Decatur Deb Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:07:48pm |
re: #499 SanFranciscoZionist
People burn out. I'm in the middle of trying to build an escape route myself.
Daughter likes her school--the criminals wear orange. She sets up video 'field trips' to other schools. The teachers at one of them failed to tell the class about the 'prison' thing and a couple had an adjustment to make.
Here's her new blog of her kids' writings:
[Link: writersontheinside.com...]
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:08:09pm |
re: #508 Mich-again
I was thinking he should go with a Hip-Hop theme and become Vanilla Rmoney.
That would be totally Mitt. Vanilla Ice is someone today's kids don't know, he's lame,and he'd be perfect for Mitt's attempts to reach younger voters. Right after he says "Can't touch this" with a fake copy of his tax returns.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:08:39pm |
re: #505 tricstmr
Thank you, I was a little rough and ready with those figures. So everyone can breathe easy, those scary teachers are well outside the upper 20% of income.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:11:41pm |
re: #502 Mich-again
Romney's campaign needs a turnaround specialist.
Nah. He's actually doing reasonably well. Obama's reelection is not a lock by any means. Obama and the Dems have outspent Romney while Romney and the GOP out raised Obama. A huge amount of money was spent by Obama to try and define Romney, making most of the campaign issues attacks on Romney personally rather than on policy.
Romney is not the evil heartless SOB that the attack ads make him out to be. The caricature created by the Dems about Romney just doesn't hold up over time. Written for a conservative audience, but he spells out what I mean:
[Link: www.weeklystandard.com...]
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SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:13:25pm |
Unexploded WW2 ordinance is found in Munich today, police can't defuse it, so they blow it up in the city.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:13:26pm |
Mitt Romney Faces Historically Low Popularity as RNC Kicks Off abcn.ws/QvDlZt— ABC News (@ABC) August 29, 2012
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:16:45pm |
re: #516 Lidane
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The trends for Romney and Obama are in opposite directions. Obama has fallen a lot over the early months of the general election campaign. Romney has risen. At 51/40 unfav/fav ratings, that's a lot better than I recall reading a month or two ago. Obama at 50/47 is dangerously close to inverting what was a large favorability rating just a month or two ago.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:18:10pm |
Meanwhile Isaac refuses to come ashore and may be heading for Texas at an agonizing slow crawl. This may be one of those slow motion disasters people. High Tide is around 9am CDT and I'm starting to worry about just how bad things are going to get.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:19:21pm |
hurricane issac is large, slow moving, has a raggedy center, and is moving erratically
sounds like a big, drunk, homeless hurricane
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:19:23pm |
re: #517 BryanS
Romney has risen? Really? On what planet? The guy is losing Latinos by 39 points, has negligible support from African Americans and is losing women voters too.
Who likes him apart from other rich white guys?
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:21:21pm |
re: #520 Lidane
Who likes him apart from other rich white guys?
Those who have a fantasy that they'll be one also, someday?
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:22:48pm |
re: #517 BryanS
The trends for Romney and Obama are in opposite directions. Obama has fallen a lot over the early months of the general election campaign. Romney has risen. At 51/40 unfav/fav ratings, that's a lot better than I recall reading a month or two ago. Obama at 50/47 is dangerously close to inverting what was a large favorability rating just a month or two ago.
He's way ahead in states. That is. [Dramatic music.] The electoral college.
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Lidane Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:22:58pm |
re: #521 freetoken
Those who have a fantasy that they'll be one also, someday?
Possibly. Or people who are delusional and think that Romneybot has principles.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:23:40pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:24:25pm |
re: #517 BryanS
The trends for Romney and Obama are in opposite directions. Obama has fallen a lot over the early months of the general election campaign. Romney has risen. At 51/40 unfav/fav ratings, that's a lot better than I recall reading a month or two ago. Obama at 50/47 is dangerously close to inverting what was a large favorability rating just a month or two ago.
dudnt matter what direction the polls move back and forth in - he's been behind and he remains behind
he's been between 1 and 4 points behind in the pop vote averages the whole year, but obama's killing him in the electoral college
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:24:59pm |
"Romney has particular challenges in some groups: His 34 percent favorability rating among women who are registered to vote is down by 9 percentage points from May, with particular weakness among unmarried women, a core Democratic group."
This isn't a guy gaining popularity, this is a guy losing it.
Another interesting tidbit
"Romney does far better in his core ideological support groups, but with shortfalls compared with Obama. Romney is seen favorably by 69 percent of conservative voters; Obama, by 81 percent of liberals. And Obama’s rating among moderates, 61 percent favorable, far exceeds Romney’s in this group, 29 percent."
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:28:25pm |
re: #520 Lidane
Romney has risen? Really? On what planet? The guy is losing Latinos by 39 points, has negligible support from African Americans and is losing women voters too.
Who likes him apart from other rich white guys?
Personal favorability ratings was what i thought you were referring to and what I was responding to. Romney was in the high 20s on personal favorability not too long ago.
Romney caries men and white people by significant margins . Those people vote too, despite all the focus being on the gap GOP has for various groups that traditionally vote Dem. The 20 point gap for men, for instance, doesn't get much coverage, but is a problem for the Dems as much as a gap in female vote is for GOP. According to Gallup, the gap for men is a bit larger than the gap for women.
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:28:46pm |
re: #526 engineer cat
dudnt matter what direction the polls move back and forth in - he's been behind and he remains behind
he's been between 1 and 4 points behind in the pop vote averages the whole year, but obama's killing him in the electoral college
The only state that Obama won that I see Romney gaining back with absolute certainty at this point is Indiana and maybe North Carolina. Considering Obama won in an electoral landslide last time, Mitt's still very much on defense. Plus, I really don't think his likability is going to go up much. Could a little with the convention but you know what they say about first impressions. Americans know Mitt Romney by now and most of them don't like him. Now whether that means they will vote for him for president is of course a different story.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:30:10pm |
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:31:50pm |
re: #517 BryanS
The trends for Romney and Obama are in opposite directions. Obama has fallen a lot over the early months of the general election campaign. Romney has risen. At 51/40 unfav/fav ratings, that's a lot better than I recall reading a month or two ago. Obama at 50/47 is dangerously close to inverting what was a large favorability rating just a month or two ago.
Where are you getting these numbers and are you reversing the terms? I mean 51/40 unfav/fav would be awful if true. I don't see these in any recent poll.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:34:19pm |
Not much to fact check in Christie's #GOP2012 keynote. factcheck.org/2012/08/christ...— Fact Check (@factcheckdotorg) August 29, 2012
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:34:52pm |
re: #530 BryanS
In what way did I ignore it?
Because on face value, looking at that poll (and others) there is no way one can conclude that Romney is in a good position. To try and cast him in that lot is to miss the central story of the data: with some (non small) constituencies Romney is just doing awful.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:35:03pm |
this week is romney's last chance - if he isn't leading in all polls by early next week, he's did
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:36:39pm |
re: #531 goddamnedfrank
Where are you getting these numbers and are you reversing the terms? I mean 51/40 unfav/fav would be awful if true. I don't see these in any recent poll.
I got those numbers from the article freetoken suggested I ignored :)
Romney has been much worse than the ABC story reported as his recent numbers.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:37:19pm |
re: #530 BryanS
In what way did I ignore it? I quoted numbers directly from it. Then pointed out additional information not contained in that article--the trend.
Raw assertion isn't reporting, where are you getting your trend from? This is the trend line from that pollster. I don't see how it supports your thesis.
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goddamnedfrank Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:41:45pm |
re: #536 BryanS
I got those numbers from the article freetoken suggested I ignored :)
Romney has been much worse than the ABC story reported as his recent numbers.
Over the last two months Romney's trendline is declining.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:41:45pm |
re: #534 freetoken
Because on face value, looking at that poll (and others) there is no way one can conclude that Romney is in a good position. To try and cast him in that lot is to miss the central story of the data: with some (non small) constituencies Romney is just doing awful.
He's not doing awful if gallup--following the link i posted above--shows the race at 47/46 advantage Romney. That's a tie, but also after a period that Obama's campaign spent a lot of their money attacking Romney. The Obama campaign outspent Romney while Romney raised more money in the same time period, leaving Romney left with more resources during the time period when people start paying attention to the election.
The press used to report how much incumbents are in trouble when they are below 50% like Obama often is. Conventional political wisdom is that since Obama (any incumbent) is a known quantity, it is very difficult for the incumbent to win back the votes to get over 50% on election day.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:42:46pm |
I think my observation from living in what has become a battleground state Romney's problem is that he's afraid to go out of his comfort zone. He'd rather preach to the choir then take risks. He's not the first to act like that of course but if one wants to know why Obama was able to win in many states that hadn't gone Democratic since LBJ or Carter, they need to look at how his campaign saw opportunities in states and areas that traditionally weren't Democratic friendly on a national level.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:43:47pm |
re: #535 engineer cat
this week is romney's last chance - if he isn't leading in all polls by early next week, he's did
Not really. He might take the lead for a brief time, but then the Dems have their party and cancel out the bump in polls Romney might get. Reagan for example did not show well in polls until the debates.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:44:07pm |
mitt didn't look to me like he was enjoying himself at the convention tonite.
might could be that he's accomplished what he really wanted - after all, he's already gone farther than his father - or maybe he is just tired of being nice to people he doesn't want to be around, all day - he doesn't have the zest for retail politics that's the mark of many successful pols
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palomino Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:46:02pm |
re: #520 Lidane
Romney has risen? Really? On what planet? The guy is losing Latinos by 39 points, has negligible support from African Americans and is losing women voters too.
Who likes him apart from other rich white guys?
The voters he needs to win don't necessarily like him much--blue collar and mid class whites. But that doesn't really matter--especially in the South and much of the midwest and rocky mountain states, their hatred and fear of Obama far outweighs their ambivalence about Mitt. This is what Mitt is counting on to cobble together 270 electoral votes. Witness the recent birther and welfare comments. It's the southern strategy for the 21st century.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:49:30pm |
re: #541 BryanS
Not really. He might take the lead for a brief time, but then the Dems have their party and cancel out the bump in polls Romney might get. Reagan for example did not show well in polls until the debates.
gallup had reagan well ahead from the middle of june to the middle of august that year
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:50:45pm |
re: #537 goddamnedfrank
Raw assertion isn't reporting, where are you getting your trend from? This is the trend line from that pollster. I don't see how it supports your thesis.
[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]
In part I am relying on memory of stories I've read, but this Huffpo graphic looks like a good average of all the polls done about favorability. Pretty clear upward trend on favorability of Romney from the point he clinched the nomination up until this week.
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blueraven Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:52:22pm |
re: #539 BryanS
He's not doing awful if gallup--following the link i posted above--shows the race at 47/46 advantage Romney. That's a tie, but also after a period that Obama's campaign spent a lot of their money attacking Romney. The Obama campaign outspent Romney while Romney raised more money in the same time period, leaving Romney left with more resources during the time period when people start paying attention to the election.
The press used to report how much incumbents are in trouble when they are below 50% like Obama often is. Conventional political wisdom is that since Obama (any incumbent) is a known quantity, it is very difficult for the incumbent to win back the votes to get over 50% on election day.
Gallup is one poll...but I think you know that. Try one of the poll averages like RCP or 538
Even Rasmussen has Obama ahead if you want to cherry pick polls
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:54:27pm |
re: #545 engineer cat
gallup had reagan well ahead from the middle of june to the middle of august that year
I've not read that...trying to find gallup info on 1980 polls, but this story seems to suggest Reagan was behind until polls tightened due to his debate performance:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:56:48pm |
re: #548 blueraven
Gallup is one poll...but I think you know that. Try one of the poll averages like RCP or 538
Even Rasmussen has Obama ahead if you want to cherry pick polls
I'd still call 1.6% pretty much tied--as I characterized the Gallup poll. Especially considering some polls oversampling Democrats when it is not clear Obama will have the same turnout advantages he had in 2008.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:57:32pm |
re: #549 BryanS
I've not read that...trying to find gallup info on 1980 polls, but this story seems to suggest Reagan was behind until polls tightened due to his debate performance:
[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]
it's on this page - click 1980 to get the numbers superimposed on the 2012 tracking
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 10:59:29pm |
re: #550 BryanS
I'd still call 1.6% pretty much tied--as I characterized the Gallup poll. Especially considering some polls oversampling Democrats when it is not clear Obama will have the same turnout advantages he had in 2008.
the popular vote is relatively close, but obama's killing romney in the electoral college, like i was saying:
[Link: electoral-vote.com...]
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:04:18pm |
re: #551 engineer cat
it's on this page - click 1980 to get the numbers superimposed on the 2012 tracking
[Link: www.gallup.com...]
That August 4 poll looks really out of place--was Iran hostage crisis blowing up right then? Conventions? Two weeks later Gallup had another poll that wiped out a 15 point Reagan lead and became a 1 point Carter lead. August 18 and on had Carter tied or ahed until the last poll before election.
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palomino Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:06:25pm |
re: #550 BryanS
I'd still call 1.6% pretty much tied--as I characterized the Gallup poll. Especially considering some polls oversampling Democrats when it is not clear Obama will have the same turnout advantages he had in 2008.
I'm afraid you're probably right. Certain markers, like 50% approval rating and 8% unemployment, typically spell doom for an incumbent. The fact that Romney is still behind, even if only by a little, simply confirms what a weak candidate he is. That he hasn't taken more advantage of the crappy economic situation shows how little passion, even interest, he stirs. He's been running non-stop for 6 years now and a lot of Americans know virtually nothing about him. He's essentially a cypher, a blank slate, just bland enough to win a close election.
Imagine Romney in the WH with both houses of Congress in R's hands. Now that's really something to fear.
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gwangung Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:07:20pm |
re: #550 BryanS
I'd still call 1.6% pretty much tied--as I characterized the Gallup poll. Especially considering some polls oversampling Democrats when it is not clear Obama will have the same turnout advantages he had in 2008.
Not clear he won't, either. THe percentage of white voters has been steadily dropping over the last 30-40 years, and it's the white men that Romney has to have as a dominant segment of his vote. Not sure, outside of outright suppression, you can assume that the white proportion is going to reverse this ongoing trend.
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:10:36pm |
re: #552 engineer cat
the popular vote is relatively close, but obama's killing romney in the electoral college, like i was saying:
[Link: electoral-vote.com...]
There are a lot of states listed in the Obama category that are winnable by Romney.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:13:25pm |
i remember 1980 - you could tell carter was in trouble since it was already clear before the hostage crisis that he was signally inept at being "presidential". he seemed more like a pessimistic mr rogers, getting on teevee in his cardigan to tell you how much he worried about things. then of course ted koppel made his reputation hanging the hostage crisis around carter's neck every night - day 23... day 42...
reagan scared people at first - his rhetoric was so much more hard edged and radical than anything anybody had ever heard. but his edge of anger really appealed to a lot of people, too
he hadn't broken out of the pack despite being well known, early in 1980, until they decided to not hold a republican Q&A for the candidates which everybody had already shown up for. all the candidates were already sitting there when they started shutting down the lights and pulling the mikes. reagan, of course, lost his temper and burst out with "i paid for this microphone!!"
i remember it was right after that that took off in the polls
but americans still had to get used to his harsh "welfare queen" rhetoric and relentless ragging on the word "liberal" - "clinging to the failed big gummint ideas of the past" - and his strange promise to lower taxes, increase military spending, and balance the budget, all at the same time.
the weird thing to me is that even this year republicans are still running on the same lines RR minted in 1980
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:14:10pm |
re: #556 palomino
I'm afraid you're probably right. Certain markers, like 50% approval rating and 8% unemployment, typically spell doom for an incumbent. The fact that Romney is still behind, even if only by a little, simply confirms what a weak candidate he is. That he hasn't taken more advantage of the crappy economic situation shows how little passion, even interest, he stirs. He's been running non-stop for 6 years now and a lot of Americans know virtually nothing about him. He's essentially a cypher, a blank slate, just bland enough to win a close election.
Imagine Romney in the WH with both houses of Congress in R's hands. Now that's really something to fear.
While I prefer GOP, I don't like to see any party with full control. It wasn't good for Bush Jr, and in my opinion it wasn't good to have Dems control everything Obama's first couple years.
The GOP convention could have a big impact on people's perceptions of Romney. Yes, he's been running for 6 years, but mostly only in the early primary states, so he is still relatively unknown. I see that as more reason to believe that Romney could see a lot of upside if he performs well at the convention, the debates.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:15:06pm |
re: #558 BryanS
There are a lot of states listed in the Obama category that are winnable by Romney.
you could say the same thing about states listed in the romney category where obama is behind about the same about as romney is in some obama states
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:16:26pm |
re: #557 gwangung
Not clear he won't, either. THe percentage of white voters has been steadily dropping over the last 30-40 years, and it's the white men that Romney has to have as a dominant segment of his vote. Not sure, outside of outright suppression, you can assume that the white proportion is going to reverse this ongoing trend.
I'd be curious about gender breakdown with race cross-tabs. Because looking only at gender, The GOP can win even if they lose the female vote simply due to the male gender gap (including all races).
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:17:36pm |
the long and the short of it is that despite the fact that things could completely change any day, at this point, and all this year, romney is clearly behind
so, he's got to change something if he wants to win, and he ain't dun it yet
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:18:20pm |
re: #561 engineer cat
you could say the same thing about states listed in the romney category where obama is behind about the same about as romney is in some obama states
You could, but just look at the table of counts of delegates on the map you linked to that are 'barely Obama'. 101 'barely Obama' versus 21 'barely Romney'.
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freetoken Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:18:45pm |
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BryanS Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:18:54pm |
alright...heading in for the evening.
good night all.
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Gus Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:18:56pm |
I think the answer is simple. We have both. You have collective structure and private structure. We always will. And no, the foreign born president, Barrack Hussein Obama will not steel your children and take away your guns under Blue Helmets.
Earth first.
Igloo white.
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palomino Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:19:21pm |
re: #557 gwangung
Not clear he won't, either. THe percentage of white voters has been steadily dropping over the last 30-40 years, and it's the white men that Romney has to have as a dominant segment of his vote. Not sure, outside of outright suppression, you can assume that the white proportion is going to reverse this ongoing trend.
In order to continue to be a nationally viable party, the GOP eventually has to find a way to appeal to minorities. But we're not quite at the tipping point yet.
In 1980 the electorate was 90% non-Hispanic white; by 2008, that number was only 74%, having dropped steadily over the years, and this change is one factor that allowed the election of the first non-white prez. This year it's expected to drop to around 72%. The Romney people know that if they get over 60% of the white vote, they've got a decent shot, and that's clearly what they're angling for. They sure as hell don't seem too concerned about the minority vote.
In a few more election cycles, when whites make up less than two-thirds of voters, the GOP will no longer be able to accept a 40% gap among Hispanics and a 90% gap among blacks. The math will no longer work.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:19:28pm |
durn people writin' me personal emails and business emails regarding my own little business i run in my spare time
been sittin here answering mah mail
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:20:42pm |
re: #565 BryanS
You could, but just look at the table of counts of delegates on the map you linked to that are 'barely Obama'. 101 'barely Obama' versus 21 'barely Romney'.
rombley has a lot more states to turn over to win
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HappyWarrior Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:25:37pm |
re: #569 palomino
In order to continue to be a nationally viable party, the GOP eventually has to find a way to appeal to minorities. But we're not quite at the tipping point yet.
In 1980 the electorate was 90% non-Hispanic white; by 2008, that number was only 74%, having dropped steadily over the years, and this change is one factor that allowed the election of the first non-white prez. This year it's expected to drop to around 72%. The Romney people know that if they get over 60% of the white vote, they've got a decent shot, and that's clearly what they're angling for. They sure as hell don't seem too concerned about the minority vote.
In a few more election cycles, when whites make up less than two-thirds of voters, the GOP will no longer be able to accept a 40% gap among Hispanics and a 90% gap among blacks. The math will no longer work.
They're going to have to adapt like the Dems did in the 80's following being beat by Reagan and H.W Bush. Problem for them is I'm not really seeing that. In the 80's you had guys like Hart challenging Mondale and the then conventional Democratic wisdom in the presidential primaries. They weren't winning but you could see there was a movement within the Democratic Party. Today's Republican party seems to have gotten more socially and economically conservative. The latter is especially troubling for them as Hispanics become a bigger bloc of voters but also social issues, today's younger voters don't relate at all to the GOP on social issues. When you have Mitt Romney as your nominee, a man who was formerly pro choice and gay rights devolving on issues like that especially as gay marriage becomes more acceptable and support for legal abortion remains fairly high, you're not going to get the support of younger voters. I really think this is their last shot with their party as constructed. They won't collapse if they lose but there's going to be a ton of searching if Romney loses because you'll have some who will be convinced that the problem was that Mitt wasn't conservative enough and others who think they went too far. Another thing is for sure though, the birther nonsense is going to bite them in the ass someday.
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:32:09pm |
i only charge $40 for any of my software products, but people in companies still ask me for free "evaluation" copies
$40 is too steep for you to shell out to try it?? really???
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Jan Smiddy Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:34:38pm |
I will cut to the chase.
Ann Romney is a ****.
The power behind the throne. God help us all if this phony bitch gets her quote unquote man elected.
Wow. Auto spell turns Obama into imams.
The fix is in on so many levels.
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RadicalModerate Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:37:37pm |
Rush has a brilliant "idea" on how to strengthen Republican votes in the wake of Hurricane Isaac.
The first thing we do is offer to send 500 bus drivers to New Orleans, paid for by us, to make sure that the buses that were not used by the Democrat mayor during Hurricane Katrina will be used to evacuate people should it become necessary. The second thing that I think the Republicans ought to do is send bags of money instead of sand. Bags full of money to shore up the levees in New Orleans. This would accomplish many things. A, it would show our compassion. B, we could have Romney's five sons who CNN last night asked, "What's it like to be rich as sin," or whatever. They did. Piers Morgan asked Romney's sons, (paraphrasing) "What's it like to be stinking rich?" So we have Romney's five sons deliver the bags of money to shore up the levees.
Now, this will accomplish much. It will show our compassion, and it will do something else. Once we publicize that we have sent 500 bags of money -- well, whatever number of bags, bags filled with money to shore up the levees, what will happen? The poor of New Orleans will storm the levees and steal the bags, thereby putting themselves at risk for the eventual flooding that will happen once they remove the bags of money. And that way the Republicans can get rid of even more Democrats in Louisiana and shore up the state for themselves. How about those two ideas, folks? Am I not thinking or am I thinking?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:38:33pm |
re: #575 RadicalModerate
Rush has a brilliant "idea" on how to strengthen Republican votes in the wake of Hurricane Isaac.
That is one of the weirdest fantasies I have ever heard. And I read BOTH of Nancy Friday's books.
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palomino Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:41:54pm |
Well said. The Dems just had to move toward the center and give some ground ideologically. What the GOP needs to do is accept a multicultural and multirelgious emergence.
Since politics itself is so cynical, moderating one's ideology (when the alternative is continuing to lose elections) is not that hard--like you said, the Dems did it back in the late 80s-early 90s.
But moderating the nativism and religious bigotry that define so much of the GOP today won't be as easy. These feeling are rooted in deep seated resentment, and have existed for generations.
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Kronocide Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:51:33pm |
The leader of the GOP is not conservative, he's regressive.
Well there you have it folks
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engineer cat Tue, Aug 28, 2012 11:53:29pm |
the republican party can't really reform itself, i think, because its purpose is to eliminate taxes and regulations for large corporations. if its "base" withers away to a minority that it can't win with, it will just redesign its sucker pitch and look for a different group of target morons
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 12:54:53am |
re: #580 engineer cat
the republican party can't really reform itself, i think, because its purpose is to eliminate taxes and regulations for large corporations. if its "base" withers away to a minority that it can't win with, it will just redesign its sucker pitch and look for a different group of target morons
They are looking at completely other ways of maintaining power...the current campaign donation rules favor them, as does a tightening of voter ID rules and they are going to redistrict wherever they can.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 12:55:09am |
re: #541 BryanS
Not really. He might take the lead for a brief time, but then the Dems have their party and cancel out the bump in polls Romney might get. Reagan for example did not show well in polls until the debates.
Reagan also had two things that Romney lacks-- charisma and likability. Mitt Romney looks and acts like the smarmy asshole CEO who fired you, outsourced your job and walked away with a huge bonus for his efforts. He's not going to get past that image anytime soon.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:06:45am |
Reagan has a characteristic that is a key to success in American politics: he came across as sincere and consistent in his convictions. Dubya had that trait to, and I believe a lot of people who did not necessarily agree with his politics simply preferred someone who seemed to be guided by a consistent set of principles (or at least gave the convincing impression)
Mitt has none of that.
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researchok Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:46:01am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:15:57am |
Woman Arrested For Tossing Drug-Filled Footballs Into Prison
Janine A. Fulton was arrested and charged with illegal conveyance of drugs for allegedly throwing two Wilson footballs filled with pills, marijuana, cigarettes, cell phones and cell phone chargers over the fence and into the Richland Correctional Institution.
[Link: www.thepostgame.com...]
Heh.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:26:22am |
re: #589 Cannadian Club Akbar
Woman Arrested For Tossing Drug-Filled Footballs Into Prison
Janine A. Fulton was arrested and charged with illegal conveyance of drugs for allegedly throwing two Wilson footballs filled with pills, marijuana, cigarettes, cell phones and cell phone chargers over the fence and into the Richland Correctional Institution.
[Link: www.thepostgame.com...]
Heh.
Talk about a "Hail Mary" play...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:32:16am |
re: #590 Expand Your Ground
Remember about 6 or so months ago, Charles Manson was caught with a cell phone. How did that happen?
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:34:13am |
re: #591 Cannadian Club Akbar
Remember about 6 or so months ago, Charles Manson was caught with a cell phone. How did that happen?
Do not recall that incident, but a fellow like CM still has a lot of admirers on the outside.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:36:50am |
re: #592 Expand Your Ground
Do not recall that incident, but a fellow like CM still has a lot of admirers on the outside.
Was actually a year and a half ago. Time flies.
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
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andres Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:42:20am |
re: #585 researchok
Morning!
re: #578 palomino
Well said. The Dems just had to move toward the center and give some ground ideologically. What the GOP needs to do is accept a multicultural and multirelgious emergence.
Since politics itself is so cynical, moderating one's ideology (when the alternative is continuing to lose elections) is not that hard--like you said, the Dems did it back in the late 80s-early 90s.
But moderating the nativism and religious bigotry that define so much of the GOP today won't be as easy. These feeling are rooted in deep seated resentment, and have existed for generations.
There's also the fact that there doesn't seem to be any leader willing to rein their excesses in. All those that seem to have some kind of spine are either out of office, primaryed out, retiring or too cynical to act.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:44:33am |
re: #594 andres
Morning!
re: #578 palomino
There's also the fact that there doesn't seem to be any leader willing to rein their excesses in. All those that seem to have some kind of spine are either out of office, primaryed out, retiring or too cynical to act.
They had their chance to speak up before the din got too loud and the fundamentalists' leverage grew too powerful. now they are stuck trying to keep it from spinning out of control and leaving them with another head-Akin like they just had.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:45:38am |
re: #593 Cannadian Club Akbar
Was actually a year and a half ago. Time flies.
[Link: content.usatoday.com...]
Interesting that the article goes on about to report on how prison security is being compromised in order to save on costs...we all know how that is going to pan out, don't we?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:50:36am |
re: #596 Expand Your Ground
Interesting that the article goes on about to report on how prison security is being compromised in order to save on costs...we all know how that is going to pan out, con't we?
The county jail where I lived has a scanner that does a full body scan to make sure intake inmates don't have contraband crammed in places. And when getting visitors, it is done via TV monitors and phones. Visitors don't even get close to the inmates.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:58:10am |
re: #589 Cannadian Club Akbar
Woman Arrested For Tossing Drug-Filled Footballs Into Prison
Janine A. Fulton was arrested and charged with illegal conveyance of drugs for allegedly throwing two Wilson footballs filled with pills, marijuana, cigarettes, cell phones and cell phone chargers over the fence and into the Richland Correctional Institution.
[Link: www.thepostgame.com...]
Heh.
Definite SEC material.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:00:15am |
re: #598 Decatur Deb
Isn't Michigan playing Alabama this weekend?
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:01:19am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:04:40am |
re: #600 Decatur Deb
Dunno.
Penn State fan.
I actually feel bad for the Penn State players. But not the former leaders who are gonna get bitch slapped in the court system.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:05:45am |
re: #601 Cannadian Club Akbar
I actually feel bad for the Penn State players. But not the former leaders who are gonna get bitch slapped in the court system.
Thought Paterno was everything right in college football.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:08:37am |
re: #602 Decatur Deb
Thought Paterno was everything right in college football.
What sucks even more is that some of the questions that need to be answered are with him in the grave.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:13:07am |
School: Teacher Helps Students Cheat Because She Says They’re ‘Dumb As Hell’
[Link: atlanta.cbslocal.com...]
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:25:08am |
re: #604 Cannadian Club Akbar
School: Teacher Helps Students Cheat Because She Says They’re ‘Dumb As Hell’
[Link: atlanta.cbslocal.com...]
So I guess she's not the additional-duty Self Esteem Counselor.
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:27:16am |
re: #604 Cannadian Club Akbar
The article is a bit sparse on details, but face it: we put teachers under a lot of pressure to produce good test scores while at the same time saddling them with larger class sizes, reduced budgets and with kids who have no support from home because the parents don't care or are too busy working three jobs a week to maintain their family.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:30:02am |
re: #606 Expand Your Ground
The article is a bit sparse on details, but face it: we put teachers under a lot of pressure to produce good test scores while at the same time saddling them with larger class sizes, reduced budgets and with kids who have no support from home because the parents don't care or are too busy working three jobs a week to maintain their family.
After ten years of that in the classroom, the normal teachers are gone. We're left with the very best and the very worst.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:40:25am |
Where is Sergey when I need him!!!
[Link: www.reuters.com...]
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:44:11am |
WTF
Did Michelle Bachmann just say @barackobama is too wealthy to relate to "ordinary" Americans? Ummm, look at your candidate, bitch— Arrogant Demon (@ArrogantDemon) August 29, 2012
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:54:40am |
re: #609 Learned Mother of Zion
WTF
Did Michelle Bachmann just say @BarackObama is too wealthy to relate to "ordinary" Americans? Ummm, look at your candidate, bitch
just ignore the fact checkers, ma'am...
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 29, 2012 4:57:24am |
re: #605 Decatur Deb
So I guess she's not the additional-duty Self Esteem Counselor.
Those I presume are the NCLB-mandated performance tests, in this case for math. There is a huge scandal in the Atlanta schools about widespread cheating and post-test corrections by teachers on those tests. There was a similar scandal in the D.C. schools from the time Michelle Rhee was the chancellor there.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:01:13am |
Dog walk. Isaac is supposed to douse us today, looks like he's just screwing over NO again. BBL
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AK-47% Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:07:33am |
re: #611 wheatdogg
Those I presume are the NCLB-mandated performance tests, in this case for math. There is a huge scandal in the Atlanta schools about widespread cheating and post-test corrections by teachers on those tests. There was a similar scandal in the D.C. schools from the time Michelle Rhee was the chancellor there.
That is one of the details missing from the article. But NCLB is not about preparing students to be responsible citizens or qualified members of the workforce, it is about meeting objective test score standards.
What is demanded of the teachers will be met.
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:27:20am |
re: #607 Decatur Deb
After ten years of that in the classroom, the normal teachers are gone. We're left with the very best and the very worst.
I left the classroom when I had my children with the intention of going back when they reached school age. The reasons listed by Expand Your Ground are why I'm not ever returning.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:37:26am |
re: #170 compound_Idaho
Teachers are not 1% ers. A two teacher household are 20% ers.
I have to call bullshit on that one. My son and his wife are both teachers and I make more than them combined. They are solidly in the lower middle class.
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:50:26am |
re: #256 compound_Idaho
OK 70 something. BFD. oh don't forget that is based on a 1300-1400 hr contract.
Do you know any teachers? Do you know the prep work that happens that isn't on the "contract"? I guess what I am asking is, do you have a fucking clue about anything?
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:54:46am |
Two convention attendees removed for taunting black cameraman bit.ly/Pr51dH (by @jtsthehill)— The Hill (@thehill) August 29, 2012
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Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:54:48am |
re: #274 compound_Idaho
I'm self employed and I work no overtime whatsoever and I never had to cover an extra day in the field or overtime for my employees. //
Grading papers? I wish!
Damn dude, next time you're passing by why don't you.
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A Mom Anon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 5:55:46am |
re: #314 compound_Idaho
Then you should have some compassion for people who are in the same boat you're in. It's really not you vs. the teachers,honestly. You should be more angry at the people who make the rules and encourage this mistrust of people who are not so different from you.
Here in GA only about 5 percent of teachers have an actual union they're affiliated with. The rest belong to an "association" that really has no power at all. They've upped the number of kids in the classroom and shortened the school year,as well as added unpaid furlough days.
Meanwhile in the classroom,the powers that be have eliminated SPELLING classes in elementary school. There has been a constant battle to keep creationism out of science classes(as a scientist you should be alarmed by that),what's been done to GA's math curriculum is a clusterfuck of epic proportions(and now,they're giving schools the option of going back to the way that wasn't broken in the first place instead of doing away with it and admitting they were wrong). As the mom to a special needs student,I literally have spent full time job hours making sure my kid didn't fall through the cracks and this is NOT the fault of any teacher.It's the fault of people who make rules without stepping a foot in an actual school,who make 5 to 10 times what a teacher makes,who thinks schools should be a profit making center instead of seeing them as an investment in our future. Having spent a good portion of the last 13 yrs in classrooms and schools I can assure you that teachers are the LEAST of the problems with our current public school system. Oh,and those private schools are all not rosy havens of learning either. They are rife with corruption and sub par classroom standards too.
Teachers aren't the enemy here,not even close.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:06:52am |
re: #618 Interesting Times
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A Mom Anon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:07:52am |
re: #621 Sionainn
Thanks. This just pisses me off to no end. My little speeches have shut up my wingnut parents and sister though,lol. They love my son,and I've made sure they understand the key role teachers have had in helping him overcome incredible obstacles. All of that bitching about teachers has stopped.
My kid's kindergarten teacher bent the rules and got my son special services before he had been officially diagnosed with autism. She didn't have to do that,she did it out of love and concern. She basically figured out ways to get the special ed dept into her classroom to help without totally breaking the rules. And then arranged for me to meet with these people so they could teach me things like speech,sensory integration and occupational therapy exercises so I could continue these things at home. That's dedication and going beyond the 40 hours a week.
My son just graduated last week(late,but he did it)against huge odds. Because of dedicated teachers. Alot of them. All of them way underpaid.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:11:21am |
re: #623 A Mom Anon
Thanks. This just pisses me off to no end. My little speeches have shut up my wingnut parents and sister though,lol. They love my son,and I've made sure they understand the key role teachers have had in helping him overcome incredible obstacles. All of that bitching about teachers has stopped.
My kid's kindergarten teacher bent the rules and got my son special services before he had been officially diagnosed with autism. She didn't have to do that,she did it out of love and concern. She basically figured out ways to get the special ed dept into her classroom to help without totally breaking the rules. And then arranged for me to meet with these people so they could teach me things like speech,sensory integration and occupational therapy exercises so I could continue these things at home. That's dedication and going beyond the 40 hours a week.
My son just graduated last week(late,but he did it)against huge odds. Because of dedicated teachers. Alot of them. All of them way underpaid.
Congrats. There is some chance my grand-daughter will graduate, but only because of an outrageously cool Alabama rural school administration.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:30:28am |
Mornin' everyone...anyone else have a political hangover after last night's "ignore the nominee on the dais" festivities, or is it just Mitt?
Blab all you want abt Ann Romney's speech- nothing will help if Mitt doesn't lose that "I have a weird thing on my tongue" face.— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) August 29, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:35:56am |
Obama leading Romney nearly 2:1 in #RNC mentions.No wonder Mitt sat there disinterested. elections.huffingtonpost.com/2012/conventio... #p2 #tlot— Sean McCabe (@darthstar99) August 29, 2012
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:38:06am |
I think Mitt's intro music should be "Mr. Roboto"
Also, something I just learned, there's apparently a Fox News Latino:
[Link: latino.foxnews.com...]
For some reason I picture two guys in a beat up pick up truck with notepads watching the convention from a small TV in the cab.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:42:39am |
re: #626 darthstar
Uninterested.
But yeah, the whole convention was entirely focused on Obama. Romney is barely worth mentioning to them.
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:43:51am |
re: #627 dragonfire1981
I think Mitt's intro music should be "Mr. Roboto"
I think of Mr. Dobalina, myself.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:46:53am |
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
This is an interesting article on the RNC platform shift over the years.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:48:58am |
re: #26 Obdicut
Not when it just turns into a race to the bottom, we don't. Other countries achieve low labor costs by literally working people to death and repressing their rights.
re: #49 The Ghost of a Flea
...and destroying air and water quality such that everyone near a manufacturing center has health issues (as does anyone downstream). And maintaining a legal system and law enforcement that bends to keep companies from having criminal liability.
It's why I say that capitalism is more comfortable with advanced authoritarian systems not opposed to capitalism than democracy. It's why companies move jobs to places like China. They know they'll the equivalent of slave labour. They know the government will help them maintain that slave labour system. They know slave labour is good for the bottom line and they know graft is cheaper than taxes.
As my favourite writer puts it: Capitalism was content under Hitler, happy under Mussolini, very happy under Franco and delirious under General Pinochet.
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:50:36am |
re: #626 darthstar
Any "War on Terror" mentions at the RNC? I suspect it's been replaced by Shariah Law panic, especially now that OBL is dead, ordered killed by our supposedly anti-colonial, America-apologing president.
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A Mom Anon Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:50:40am |
re: #629 A Mom Anon
Well hell,my post disappeared. Anyhoo,your granddaughter is lucky to have a family support system. I didn't have that,it made life alot harder.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:54:19am |
re: #632 Romantic Heretic
re: #49 The Ghost of a Flea
It's why I say that capitalism is more comfortable with advanced authoritarian systems not opposed to capitalism than democracy. It's why companies move jobs to places like China. They know they'll the equivalent of slave labour. They know the government will help them maintain that slave labour system. They know slave labour is good for the bottom line and they know graft is cheaper than taxes.
As my favourite writer puts it: Capitalism was content under Hitler, happy under Mussolini, very happy under Franco and delirious under General Pinochet.
What writer is that? It's a good quote. I think there's a mindset that exists that think Capitalism always equal democracy but it's as you say not always the case.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:55:30am |
re: #633 Bulworth
Any "War on Terror" mentions at the RNC? I suspect it's been replaced by Shariah Law panic, especially now that OBL is dead, ordered killed by our supposedly anti-colonial, America-apologing president.
Last I saw they were more upset that the WH doesn't officially call it a war on terror. I say what difference does it make when he's doing what he's done in regards to terrorism. But I do agree with OBL's death, it's been replaced with Sharia paranoia.
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 29, 2012 6:56:14am |
re: #630 Obdicut
I think of Mr. Dobalina, myself.
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:03:15am |
re: #636 HappyWarrior
Last I saw they were more upset that the WH doesn't officially call it a war on terror. I say what difference does it make when he's doing what he's done in regards to terrorism. But I do agree with OBL's death, it's been replaced with Sharia paranoia.
If OBL was still alive the RNC would be "all terror all the time". Now they're left with "We built it" or "I built it". OK, whatever.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:04:49am |
re: #638 Bulworth
If OBL was still alive the RNC would be "all terror all the time". Now they're left with "We built it" or "I built it". OK, whatever.
Yep, and that one has some holes in it especially because it seems that many of their speakers hell let's include their nominee have done ventures with the help of the federal government. Romney boasted about getting federal money for the Olympics. So the "We built it" is nothing more than a lame shout out to those who actually believe that Obama degraded success.
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:06:27am |
re: #613 Expand Your Ground
That is one of the details missing from the article. But NCLB is not about preparing students to be responsible citizens or qualified members of the workforce, it is about meeting objective test score standards.
What is demanded of the teachers will be met.
The NCLB mandate to test reading and math (and only those two) has resulted in an arbitrary and draconian system that punishes teachers, administrators and schools to the point of firing veteran educators and closing down neighborhood schools. It also rewards educators and schools with money. Naturally, the schools want to stay open and get money, and educators want to keep their jobs. So, some will cheat, some will change answers, others will cram cram cram drill drill drill students in class until their eyes bleed.
NCLB is a colossal failure, and another dismal legacy of W's administration. There is no convincing proof that NCLB testing had made any substantive improvement in students' reading and math skills. These are not "objective" tests, because each state devises its own tests, and many of those have been repeatedly "dumbed down" to keep the failure rates acceptable. The only real check we have of the progress of students are the NAEP tests, which are not part of the NCLB carrot and stick system. And those tests show only slight increases in reading and math skills, which could be just statistical noise.
Students are not being educated. They're being trained like monkeys to take multiple choice tests, and the teacher are the trainers.
There are so many ways to game the NCLB system, it's not funny. Probably the best example of why federal politicians need the stay out of the education business.
Obama and Arne Duncan are not doing any better, either, IMHO.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:06:43am |
re: #635 HappyWarrior
What writer is that? It's a good quote. I think there's a mindset that exists that think Capitalism always equal democracy but it's as you say not always the case.
John Ralston Saul His book Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West changed the way I think. The Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense sits by my bed. I need to get a new copy as my current one is falling apart from use.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:46am |
A positive spin on the RNC last night...
Literally Thousands Of RNC Convention-Goers Did Not Throw Peanuts At A Black Woman And Call Her An Animal bit.ly/O2POzo— Wonkette (@Wonkette) August 29, 2012
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:07:53am |
Why Nate Silver is the best information available to election nerds:
[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]
(And why I'm commuting to Tampa for GOTV.)
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:08:14am |
IS HE INSANE OR WHAT?
Difference betw 1929 depression & coming one: US wasn't $16 trillion in debt, states weren't bankrupt. fxn.ws/OaSb60— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 29, 2012
HE'S PROMISING THAT ROMNEY WILL BRING ANOTHER DEPRESSION
Other reasons why coming Depression will be worse: in '29, no Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, food stamps.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 29, 2012
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:09:46am |
re: #569 palomino
In order to continue to be a nationally viable party, the GOP eventually has to find a way to appeal to minorities. But we're not quite at the tipping point yet.
In 1980 the electorate was 90% non-Hispanic white; by 2008, that number was only 74%, having dropped steadily over the years, and this change is one factor that allowed the election of the first non-white prez. This year it's expected to drop to around 72%. The Romney people know that if they get over 60% of the white vote, they've got a decent shot, and that's clearly what they're angling for. They sure as hell don't seem too concerned about the minority vote.
In a few more election cycles, when whites make up less than two-thirds of voters, the GOP will no longer be able to accept a 40% gap among Hispanics and a 90% gap among blacks. The math will no longer work.
Assuming at this point that the non-whites and non-men still have the right to vote.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:15am |
So, I caught Gov. Christie's speech last night, and it seemed to be more about Christie and his arrival on the national stage than it did about setting the tone for the GOP agenda under their nominee Mitt Romney. It was light on how Christie knows Romney and what he brings to the table and heavy on the Christie life-experience. It was as much about setting a run for 2016 as delivering for Romney in 2012. But there were a few items that stand out:
When Christie got around to rallying the crowd for Romney, he called the former Massachusetts governor a leader who “will tell us the hard truths we need to hear” to get America back on track and to end “the torrent of debt that is compromising our future and burying our economy.”
He said of Democrats, “Their plan: whistle a happy tune while driving us off the fiscal cliff, as long as they are behind the wheel of power.”
And Christie contrasted his record in New Jersey, striking several key bipartisan compromises on pension reform and teacher tenure, with the record of the Obama administration.
If we're talking about hard truths, then the GOP is actively falsifying that the economic woes of the nation can be solved through still more tax cuts, or greater tax incentives to the wealthy. Christie wisely ignored the fact that NJ has the highest unemployment rate in 35 years, and it's far higher than the national average despite his claims that he's turned around the state's faltering economic situation.
Christie's right that he's gotten some major accomplishments in a bipartisan fashion - deals with Democratic boss Norcross helped achieve a deal on limiting the rise in property taxes, and a hard deal was made to condition a property tax relief package on revenues exceeding estimates (and thus far, that wont happen because the state is behind on revenue projections).
A rundown of the various quips and their veracity can be found here. Christie got mostly true across the board on his comments, but others, including Santorum didn't fare nearly as well.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:10:22am |
re: #645 Learned Mother of Zion
IS HE INSANE OR WHAT?
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:11:13am |
Other reasons why coming Depression will be worse: in '29, no Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, welfare, food stamps.
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 29, 2012
So he haz a sad that American families--the American families his AFA supposedly represents--will have income support in the next Depression?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:12:32am |
re: #642 Romantic Heretic
John Ralston Saul His book Voltaire's Bastards: The Dictatorship of Reason in the West changed the way I think. The Doubter's Companion: A Dictionary of Aggressive Common Sense sits by my bed. I need to get a new copy as my current one is falling apart from use.
Ah thanks. Really, it's a good quote. As I said, there really is a mistaken assumption that capitalism & democracy are one in the same. Pinochet especially is a great example of that.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:13:19am |
re: #645 Learned Mother of Zion
IS HE INSANE OR WHAT?
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I think this guy is on some really bad drugs.
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:13:21am |
When Christie got around to rallying the crowd for Romney, he called the former Massachusetts governor a leader who “will tell us the hard truths we need to hear” to get America back on track and to end “the torrent of debt that is compromising our future and burying our economy.”
Hhahahahahahahahahahahh
Debt was nearly gone by the end of the Clinton Presidency. And then.....
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:14:32am |
re: #649 Bulworth
So he haz a sad that American families--the American families his AFA supposedly represents--will have income support in the next Depression?
It's time to pay attention to the American Family Association when they back a minimum wage so high that a wage-earner can feed his or her family while their partner is at home civilizing the kids.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:15:44am |
re: #652 Bulworth
Hhahahahahahahahahahahh
Debt was nearly gone by the end of the Clinton Presidency. And then.....
Hey doing a tax cut while having two wars is an excellent fiscal policy.// Really, the myth of Republican fiscal conservatism should have been erased during the Clinton years and further eradicated during the Bush years. They're not fiscal conservatives. They're tax cuts above all else conservatives. There's a difference between the two. A true fiscal conservative would be ready to raise taxes on the wealthy and cut from the defense budget but neither Romney nor his running mate or really anyone in the GOP establishment is willing to do that.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:16:44am |
Ann Romney: "I met him at a high-school dance. He was tall. He laughed a lot. Never more than when he walked his blind teacher into a door."— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) August 29, 2012
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Bulworth Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:17:05am |
I don't have my #RNC agenda with me at the moment, but is tonight Sharia Law! night? I would be disappointed if it wasn't. /
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:18:00am |
re: #647 lawhawk
I thought Chris Christie did a great job. What I liked about it was he didn't stand there attacking Obama but put more focus on what the future could bring.
Ann Coulter however was upset he didn't go after Obama. She needs to STFU and STFD and let the adults take care of it.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:19:24am |
re: #632 Romantic Heretic
re: #49 The Ghost of a Flea
It's why I say that capitalism is more comfortable with advanced authoritarian systems not opposed to capitalism than democracy. It's why companies move jobs to places like China. They know they'll the equivalent of slave labour. They know the government will help them maintain that slave labour system. They know slave labour is good for the bottom line and they know graft is cheaper than taxes.
As my favourite writer puts it: Capitalism was content under Hitler, happy under Mussolini, very happy under Franco and delirious under General Pinochet.
People also prefer not to notice how capitalism and colonialism went hand in hand--disenfranchised labor and a military force to back up management; unregulated access to finite resources with limited compensation; and the captive consumption audience.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:19:25am |
The GOP has released their National Platform, it's quite a read. I paged some key sections:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:19:34am |
re: #647 lawhawk
Best I could tell, Christie and Santorum came to bury Caesar, not praise him. Both seemed to pretty much be setting up their own '16 runs and were only there for two reasons: party loyalty and the free publicity. If anybody thought they were there to help us feel good about a Romney nomination, they're fooling themselves.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:19:55am |
re: #657 NJDhockeyfan
I thought Chris Christie did a great job. What I liked about it was he didn't stand there attacking Obama but put more focus on what the future could bring.
Ann Coulter however was upset he didn't go after Obama. She needs to STFU and STFD and let the adults take care of it.
Yes, but he hardly talked about Romney, which is surprising.
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Romantic Heretic Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:20:06am |
re: #650 HappyWarrior
Ah thanks. Really, it's a good quote. As I said, there really is a mistaken assumption that capitalism & democracy are one in the same. Pinochet especially is a great example of that.
As an amateur military historian what caught my interest was his observations on reason making our wars worse, using WWI as an exemplar. All the plans and commanders involved were rational, calm, reasonable men who could only come up with plans that fed their men into the meat grinder. When those plans failed their only response, because it was 'reasonable', was to do the same thing again on a bigger scale with bigger horrible results.
Once my imagination was caught I started devouring his books.
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:20:23am |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:20:41am |
re: #661 dragonfire1981
Yes, but he hardly talked about Romney, which is surprising.
When your keynote speaker uses "I" or "Me" more than the name of the party candidate, something is most definitely off.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:21:10am |
re: #663 makeitstop
Or really good ones.
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If they were good drugs, he'd be mellow and chill rather than the angry nutcase that he is.
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:22:11am |
re: #665 HappyWarrior
If they were good drugs, he'd be mellow and chill rather than the angry nutcase that he is.
True dat.
My guess? Bath salts.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:23:25am |
re: #657 NJDhockeyfan
I thought Chris Christie did a great job. What I liked about it was he didn't stand there attacking Obama but put more focus on what the future could bring.
National unemployment rate: 8.3%
New Jersey unemployment rate: 9.8%
Yes, that's exactly what we want the future to bring.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:23:26am |
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:26:28am |
re: #661 dragonfire1981
Yes, but he hardly talked about Romney, which is surprising.
That's fine. Everyone else already did.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:26:52am |
re: #666 makeitstop
True dat.
My guess? Bath salts.
Bryan Fischer + bath salts + the comment number. Perfect.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:27:08am |
re: #645 Learned Mother of Zion
Actually, the percentage of debt to GDP isn't all that different between the current situation and the Great Depression. Our economy is several magnitudes larger than it was during the Great Depression.
And the 15% increase in the debt during the Obama Administration is still less than the 20% increase under the second term of the Bush Administration.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:30:43am |
re: #671 lawhawk
Actually, the percentage of debt to GDP isn't all that different between the current situation and the Great Depression. Our economy is several magnitudes larger than it was during the Great Depression.
And the 15% increase in the debt during the Obama Administration is still less than the 20% increase under the second term of the Bush Administration.
And since the Great Depression there has hardly been a period when we weren't involved in combat somewhere.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:30:44am |
re: #667 Interesting Times
National unemployment rate: 8.3%
New Jersey unemployment rate: 9.8%Yes, that's exactly what we want the future to bring.
We are already looking to this future:
CBO: Unemployment Could Top 9 Percent in 2013
Awesome!
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:33:08am |
wow...shades of Louisiana 1927
To borrow from Randy Newman
Rained real hard and it rained for a real long time
6 feet of water in the streets of Evangeline Plaquemine
Bad news from Plaquemine parish
Plaquemines Parish President: Damage Is Just As Bad As Katrina
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:35:03am |
re: #673 NJDhockeyfan
We are already looking to this future:
CBO: Unemployment Could Top 9 Percent in 2013
Awesome!
//
Subtitle to your article
If Congress doesn't take action, the immediate future for the U.S. economy is gloomy
Tell the republicans to get on the ball and quit obstructing.
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The Ghost of a Flea Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:35:54am |
From the GOP platform:
The Lacey Act of 1900, designed to protect endangered wildlife in interstate commerce, is now applied worldwide, making it a crime to use, in our domestic industries, any product illegally obtained in
the country of origin, whether or not the user had anything to do with its harvesting. This unreasonable extension of the Act not only hurts American businesses and American jobs, but also subordinates our own rule of law to the legal codes of 195 other governments. It must be changed. Just as George Washington wisely warned America to avoid foreign entanglements and enter into only temporary alliances, we oppose the adoption or ratification of international treaties that weaken or encroach upon American sovereignty
Let's see:
Ivory, rhino horn, rosewood, teak, ebony, mahogany, tiger meat and pelts, shark fins...
We can shore up American jobs by letting poachers extinguish these already near-extinct resources--precious aesthetically, ecologically--because who are we to ask questions about whether materials were obtained legally (other than the people that are supposed to ask about whether stuff was obtained illegally).
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:36:26am |
re: #652 Bulworth
That's incorrect. There are two debts involved. One involving the current fiscal year budget. The second is the culmulative deficit carried over from prior administrations.
Under Clinton, the annual budget was largely balanced, but the overall national debt continued to grow. The culmulative deficit continues growing.
Under Clinton the overall deficit grew from $4.5 trillion to $5.66 trillion (35.6% increase) - there was a reduction in the overall deficit for the year ending 12/31/2000 from the year before. Bush saw the deficit grow from $5.9 trillion to $10.69 trillion (89% jump). Thus far, debt under the Obama Administration has grown from 12.3 trillion to 15.8 trillion - a 41.4% increase.
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wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:38:25am |
re: #674 blueraven
wow...shades of Louisiana 1927
To borrow from Randy Newman
Rained real hard and it rained for a real long time
6 feet of water in the streets ofEvangelinePlaquemineBad news from Plaquemine parish
Plaquemines Parish President: Damage Is Just As Bad As Katrina
I hope the feds have a better response time this time.
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Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:38:30am |
Has President made unemployment better or worse? Show #ZEGS this chart, jobs by administration. #Forward #p2 twitter.com/Political_Bill...— Bill Talley (@Political_Bill) August 29, 2012
And that's despite John Boehner's obsession with ladyparts to the exclusion of jobs.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:44:11am |
re: #674 blueraven
wow...shades of Louisiana 1927
To borrow from Randy Newman
Rained real hard and it rained for a real long time
6 feet of water in the streets ofEvangelinePlaquemineBad news from Plaquemine parish
Plaquemines Parish President: Damage Is Just As Bad As Katrina
It's just sitting there turning and turning. I feel bad for everyone in that area. I heard on the news this morning the water is flowing over a small levee and the houses in that area are being flooded. People are sitting on their roofs waiting to be rescued.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:45:28am |
re: #662 Romantic Heretic
As an amateur military historian what caught my interest was his observations on reason making our wars worse, using WWI as an exemplar. All the plans and commanders involved were rational, calm, reasonable men who could only come up with plans that fed their men into the meat grinder. When those plans failed their only response, because it was 'reasonable', was to do the same thing again on a bigger scale with bigger horrible results.
Once my imagination was caught I started devouring his books.
That's a bit of a oversimplification on military tactics and strategy. (In general, and for that period specificially.) Just about any army in any period had a mix of traditionalists and innovators along with new technologies to be dealt with, new ones to integrate into tactics, and the associated challenges to be overcome. And I think no one expected WW1 in western Europe to turn into the trench warfare that it did transform into.
A sample from another period is something like the scale of the US Civil War compared to previous US military actions. Commanders were given division (and corps) sized units to handle when previously most (if not all) of them had handled a regiment at most in maneuvers.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:46:31am |
re: #678 wheatdogg
I hope the feds have a better response time this time.
The National Guard are on it there. Fortunately it is not a widely populated area, but I fear much property damage.
There was mandatory evacuation, but some ignored it. I hope there is no loss of life. I do not understand the mentality of people not to observe a mandatory evacuation, endangering their lives and the lives of their children.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:50:22am |
re: #682 blueraven
The National Guard are on it there. Fortunately it is not a widely populated area, but I fear much property damage.
There was mandatory evacuation, but some ignored it. I hope there is no loss of life. I do not understand the mentality of people not to observe a mandatory evacuation, endangering their lives and the lives of their children.
"We've had storms before and it wasn't that bad. Maybe a bit of wind damage, some rain damage, but it will be alright. I'm not leaving my valuables here, unprotected, just because the government gets scared."
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makeitstop Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:50:37am |
| 685 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:51:09am |
re: #683 Targetpractice
"We've had storms before and it wasn't that bad. Maybe a bit of wind damage, some rain damage, but it will be alright. I'm not leaving my valuables here, unprotected, just because the government gets scared."
"I'm keeping my money in my freezer."
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:51:51am |
re: #685 NJDhockeyfan
"I'm keeping my money in my freezer."
Gives the phrase "cold hard cash" a new meaning, doesn't it?
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kirkspencer Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:54:10am |
re: #677 lawhawk
That's incorrect. There are two debts involved. One involving the current fiscal year budget. The second is the culmulative deficit carried over from prior administrations.
Under Clinton, the annual budget was largely balanced, but the overall national debt continued to grow. The culmulative deficit continues growing.
Under Clinton the overall deficit grew from $4.5 trillion to $5.66 trillion (35.6% increase) - there was a reduction in the overall deficit for the year ending 12/31/2000 from the year before. Bush saw the deficit grow from $5.9 trillion to $10.69 trillion (89% jump). Thus far, debt under the Obama Administration has grown from 12.3 trillion to 15.8 trillion - a 41.4% increase.
I'd need to check, but my memory is that a couple trillion of that is stuff that we already had, but which under Obama was moved from off-book to on-book accounting.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:58:23am |
Seriously, it doesn't matter how much warning is given, there's always gonna be diehards who decide that they can tough it out. So what if they're without power, or water, or basic services for days? Or if their house is partially underwater or simply gone due to collapse? They've survived through worse...or so they always tell themselves.
| 689 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 7:59:03am |
re: #682 blueraven
The government relief agencies and the guard are going to get in there better and faster for a very non political reason-This storm only shares the track with Katrina. The storms themselves can delay help arriving. This one won't. It's a baby by comparison to Katrina and Andrew. So that pretty much obviates any rational comparison. Unless it's an election year of course, then comparisons need not be particularly rational.
Maybe just maybe by this time the designated shelters like the Superdome actually has drinkable water in stock?
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:04:00am |
re: #689 Daniel Ballard
The government relief agencies and the guard are going to get in there better and faster for a very non political reason-This storm only shares the track with Katrina. The storms themselves can delay help arriving. This one won't. It's a baby by comparison to Katrina and Andrew. So pretty much obviates any rational comparison. Unless it's an election year of course, then comparisons need not be particularly rational.
Maybe just maybe by this time the designated shelters like the Superdome actually has drinkable water in stock?
This is all well outside on the NOLA area. For these people the water is as bad or worse than Katrina, so yes the comparison is rational.
It is not a baby storm to them.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:05:58am |
| 692 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:10:06am |
re: #689 Daniel Ballard
The SAR and relief efforts will be directly affected by the pace of the storm leaving the region. It's churning along at a slow clip - 6-8 mph of forward motion. That means that the wind, surge, and flooding rains will last for a longer duration than with Katrina. Katrina was moving more than twice that fast. So, while the storm's wind and surge aren't as severe as Katrina, Isaac will put down tremendous amounts of rain and have a sustained storm surge.
More here.
| 693 |
wheat-dogg Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:10:17am |
re: #691 NJDhockeyfan
Kids, don't try this at home. ...
| 694 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:12:00am |
re: #690 blueraven
"To them", is a subjective comparison. What if "them" had been hit with a cat five moving at freeway speeds like Andrew? Or worse parked like Isaac as a cat 5? We should be grateful it's a smaller storm, with smaller areas and smaller numbers of people in jeopardy. A smaller storm interferes with assistance far less.
I suppose it would be a very unpopular thought the FEMA and LA authorities during Bush could have handled this storm fairly well compared to Katrina. Unpopular but a reasonable speculation. Size and strength matter a lot in storms and earthquakes, undeniably so. Does that matter less than the political template of Bush personally blew the response? Probably in many quarters.
| 695 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:12:38am |
Does NOAA get to force Jindal to make a commercial for them supporting them to be properly funded?
| 696 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:17:19am |
re: #692 lawhawk
Sorry, this storm is not as bad as Katrina. There will be far fewer fatalities and far fewer buildings destroyed. It's a lot of rain, but Isaac is just not the kind of threat Katrina was.
Katrina stats from Weather.com
Here are some facts that indicate the ferocity of the storm:
Damage: $81 billion total; $40.6 billion in insured losses
Deaths (direct and indirect: 1,833 total; 1,577 in Louisiana, 238 in Mississippi, 14 in Florida, two in Georgia, two in Alabama
Winds: Maximum winds extended to a 25-30 mile radius; hurricane force winds extended 75 miles east of the center (on August 29)
Storm Surge
Western Mississippi: 24-28 feet in a 20-mile wide swath centered on St. Louis Bay Eastern Mississippi: 17-22 feet
Louisiana St. Tammany Parish from Slidell to Mandeville (northeast shore of Lake Pontchartrain: 12-16 feet East New Orleans, St. Bernard Parish, Plaquemines Parish: 15-19 feet West New Orleans: 10-14 feet Western shore of Lake Pontchartrain: 5-10 feet
Alabama Western Alabama coast (including Dauphin Island): 10-15 feet Eastern Alabama coast: up to 10 feet Mobile Bay: 8-12 feet
Tornadoes: 43 total; one in Florida, 20 in Georgia, 11 in Alabama, 11 in Mississippi
Evacuees: 1.2 million people in northern Gulf coast from Louisiana to Alabama were under evacuation order
After Isaac passes lets compare the storms.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:19:12am |
re: #694 Daniel Ballard
"To them", is a subjective comparison. What if "them" had been hit with a cat five moving at freeway speeds like Andrew? Or worse parked like Isaac as a cat 5? We should be grateful it's a smaller storm, with smaller areas and smaller numbers of people in jeopardy. A smaller storm interferes with assistance far less.
I suppose it would be a very unpopular thought the FEMA and LA authorities during Bush could have handled this storm fairly well compared to Katrina. Unpopular but a reasonable speculation. Size and strength matter a lot in storms and earthquakes, undeniably so. Does that matter less than the political template of Bush personally blew the response? Probably in many quarters.
The only person getting political here is you.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:19:26am |
All I've heard from my NOLA-local peeps is that they're afraid they'll run out of booze. So take that as you will.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:19:40am |
Katrina: Hurricane Katrina made landfall seven years ago as a Category 3 storm with maximum sustained winds near 125 mph.
Isaac: A Category 1 storm, Isaac had maximum sustained winds near 80 mph as it came ashore in southeast Louisiana Tuesday evening.
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
SIZE
Katrina: Katrina was a large storm with hurricane force winds extending outward up to 125 miles from its center.
Isaac: Isaac has been much less organized with a less-defined eye. As it neared Louisiana’s coast, Isaac’s hurricane force winds extend outward only about 60 miles from its center.
STORM SURGE
Katrina: The 2005 storm brought devastating storm surge of 15 to 20 feet as it came onto land.
Isaac: The worst of Isaac’s storm surge is expected to be 6 to 12 feet.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:21:00am |
re: #697 blueraven
The only person getting political here is you.
I'll grant that I just ducked in so I don't know what happened upthread, but I haven't heard any political discussions about Issac outside of the previous concern it would hit the RNC.
I didn't hear any political discussion about Katrina until the weeks afterward, either.
Why are we talking about hurricane politics?
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:23:43am |
Fail.
Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure
Hilarious listening to her. Considering all the crap that went down under W. People just fall head over heels for her... because of her accent.
| 702 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:24:01am |
re: #700 erik_t
I'll grant that I just ducked in so I don't know what happened upthread, but I haven't heard any political discussions about Issac outside of the previous concern it would hit the RNC.
I didn't hear any political discussion about Katrina until the weeks afterward, either.
Why are we talking about hurricane politics?
Because Katrina hit after Bush's reelection, not during it. Plenty of reason to think the GOP's waiting for something, anything, to use to politicize Isaac.
| 703 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:24:37am |
re: #700 erik_t
I'll grant that I just ducked in so I don't know what happened upthread, but I haven't heard any political discussions about Issac outside of the previous concern it would hit the RNC.
I didn't hear any political discussion about Katrina until the weeks afterward, either.
Why are we talking about hurricane politics?
It is Daniel who is getting all defensive about FEMA and the Bush response to Katrina.
All I did was post a news item about Plaquemine parish as a hard hit area.
| 704 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:25:21am |
re: #697 blueraven
If merely observing storm politics in the past and referencing a far less dangerous storm now is political you would be right. But it isn't. It's more reality based than that as scaled by the differences in the two storms. But whatever. When political implications about administrations are more important than the very real differences in the storms I just observe & learn from that fact as well.
| 705 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:27:08am |
I can't even understand what the fuck anyone is arguing bout.
| 706 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:27:34am |
| 707 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:28:53am |
My internet was going out. The Time Warner guy diagnosed the problem as over-power, and put a splitter in. Then my internet started going out again a week later. Over the phone, they diagnosed it as the power being too low, and cranked it up.
Now my internet is going out again. I wonder if the next step is another splitter.
| 708 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:29:08am |
re: #705 Obdicut
I can't even understand what the fuck anyone is arguing bout.
Think it's about preemptively dismissing comparisons to Katrina and accusations that the previous administration was terrible in its response to what was a very major storm.
| 709 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:30:27am |
re: #703 blueraven
I offered some good news, that help will be less weather impaired this time. Then made an observation about why, at a time when Katrina comparisons are all over the net and news services. Poor comparisons as I see it. For the factual reasons listed. Sorry I ran contrary to the more common view out there. Sheesh.
| 710 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:31:48am |
re: #696 Daniel Ballard
I never said that it was - I noted that the chief threat is the massive rainfall and slow speed. Katrina hit a far wider area with an even greater surge. It's a different kind of threat, a different kind of storm, and the severity of the damage wont be the same, unless something goes wrong with the levee system.
For instance, there were issues with the 17th Street Canal in Katrina when they failed - flooding the Lower 9th where there was significant loss of life and massive property damage.
Currently, the ACE has had some minor problems getting pumps going, but once they got them working, the water levels in the canal dropped.
One of the saving graces for NOLA is that the Mississippi River has been running well below average levels because of the drought through the Central US. That gives the river and levee system extra capacity before the levees are tested to their maximum levels. That wasn't the case during Katrina.
| 711 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:33:22am |
re: #707 Obdicut
My internet was going out. The Time Warner guy diagnosed the problem as over-power, and put a splitter in. Then my internet started going out again a week later. Over the phone, they diagnosed it as the power being too low, and cranked it up.
Now my internet is going out again. I wonder if the next step is another splitter.
Your new wiring plan:
In - one wire, three splitters to get you four wires, then three splitters to get you back to one wire; connected to PC with disfunctional internet.
The bill is stuck in your email system as undeliverable due to not being able to find you.
| 712 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:33:45am |
Let's be honest, it's an otherwise slow news week, the media needs something to run with. Comparing every hurricane that hits the South to Katrina is pretty much gonna be the staple until a storm surpasses it. Best to wait til it passes, assess the damage as well as the response on all levels, and then start making comparisons. If the media wishes to get their jollies calling this "Obama's Katrina," then that's just how they roll.
| 714 |
Mattand Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:34:53am |
re: #661 dragonfire1981
Yes, but he hardly talked about Romney, which is surprising.
Not really, when you think about it.
If Christie really wanted the VP spot, all he literally had to do was ask. Every conservative in the US (including the NJ ones who ignore the unemployment numbers here) think he's the second coming Reagan Christ, and Christie knows it.
I didn't see the speech but I trust Lawhawk's description of it. Christie's talented enough to promote himself at Romeny's expense, without looking like he's trashing Mitt.
| 715 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:35:10am |
re: #712 Targetpractice
Let's be honest, it's an otherwise slow news week, the media needs something to run with. Comparing every hurricane that hits the South to Katrina is pretty much gonna be the staple until a storm surpasses it. Best to wait til it passes, assess the damage as well as the response on all levels, and then start making comparisons. If the media wishes to get their jollies calling this "Obama's Katrina," then that's just how they roll.
Hehe. Repulbican Convention going on = slow news week. :D
| 716 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:37:01am |
re: #713 Gus
Let's talk about REAL marriage.
//
WILL ISAAC BE A LEGITIMATE STORM OR MERELY A FORM OF STORM CONTROL?
| 717 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:37:03am |
Uh...
10:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 29
Location: 29.6°N 90.7°W
Moving: NW at 6 mph
Min pressure: 972 mb
Max sustained: 75 mph
Talk about hyping a hurricane up. About the worst you'll get out of this is the storm surge. 75 MPH winds are 10 MPH less that your average 85 MPH cat "C" roof wind loads. Derp.
| 718 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:37:11am |
re: #715 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Hehe. Repulbican Convention going on = slow news week. :D
Convention weeks generally are unless there's a major shake-up. And, amusement value aside, yesterday's escapades on the convention floor didn't warrant more than a yawn at the antics of the Paulians from reporters. Otherwise, it's just one long week of a party basking in its glory while people tune into the 11pm or 6am news to catch the highlights and hear the soundbites.
| 719 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:28am |
Ron Paul fans are a roving Internet comment section.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 29, 2012
| 720 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:31am |
Ron Paul fans are a roving Internet comment section.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 29, 2012
| 721 |
Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:34am |
re: #717 Gus
Uh...
10:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 29
Location: 29.6°N 90.7°W
Moving: NW at 6 mph
Min pressure: 972 mb
Max sustained: 75 mphTalk about hyping a hurricane up. About the worst you'll get out of this is the storm surge. 75 MPH winds are 10 MPH less that your average 85 MPH cat "C" roof wind loads. Derp.
remember, we live in a country where there's "Storm watch " every time it drizzles.
| 722 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:38:40am |
re: #716 Kronocide
WILL ISAAC BE A LEGITIMATE STORM OR MERELY A FORM OF STORM CONTROL?
Seriously. The Kardashian people and the people that hang out at dumb Twitter trend lines. Dumb and dumber.
| 723 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:39:23am |
re: #721 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
remember, we live in a country where there's "Storm watch " every time it drizzles.
BREAKING NEWS!!11ty
| 724 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:40:11am |
@cheyennejackson Ironic. Considering that her husband's family came from a polygamous commune.— Gus (@Gus_802) August 29, 2012
Outrage!
| 725 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:40:14am |
re: #717 Gus
Uh...
10:00 AM CDT Wed Aug 29
Location: 29.6°N 90.7°W
Moving: NW at 6 mph
Min pressure: 972 mb
Max sustained: 75 mphTalk about hyping a hurricane up. About the worst you'll get out of this is the storm surge. 75 MPH winds are 10 MPH less that your average 85 MPH cat "C" roof wind loads. Derp.
Gus did you click on the link I posted above
Is not the wind, it is the water and we are talking about South LA here, not NOLA
Nobody is making a comparison of the widespread damage/loss of life as Katrina.
But for some areas in South LA it is as bad with flooding.
| 726 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:41:17am |
re: #725 blueraven
Gus did you click on the link I posted above
Is not the wind, it is the water and we are talking about South LA here, not NOLA
Nobody is making a comparison of the widespread damage/loss of life as Katrina.
But for some areas in South LA it is as bad with flooding.
Meh. It's a dangerous situation and I already mentioned the storm surge. But I'm not going to fall for ignorant hype from cable news.
| 727 |
simoom Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:42:07am |
re: #262 ozbloke
Is the story at cnn?
Yeah, they finally put something up. Turns out it was actually two attendees:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
Tampa, Florida (CNN) – Two people were removed from the Republican National Convention Tuesday after they threw nuts at an African-American CNN camera operator and said, “This is how we feed animals.”
Multiple witnesses observed the exchange and RNC security and police immediately removed the two people from the Tampa Bay Times Forum.
The convention released a statement saying, “Two attendees tonight exhibited deplorable behavior. Their conduct was inexcusable and unacceptable. This kind of behavior will not be tolerated."
CNN also acknowledged the incident, saying, "CNN can confirm there was an incident directed at an employee inside the Tampa Bay Times Forum earlier this afternoon. CNN worked with convention officials to address this matter and will have no further comment.”
| 728 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:42:39am |
WOW, the Rachel Corrie page is still going strong. It's two moonbats against the rest.
| 729 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:42:57am |
re: #721 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
remember, we live in a country where there's "Storm watch " every time it drizzles.
On the other hand, we get plenty of free entertainment watching Weather Channel reporters sit on the beach and try to act scared that they might not survive this latest "massive storm." When you get over wondering if they're suicidal, you start asking yourself how much you have to be paid to willingly humiliate yourself in such a fashion.
| 730 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:44:35am |
re: #728 NJDhockeyfan
WOW, the Rachel Corrie page is still going strong. It's two moonbats against the rest.
Did I cause any mayhem with my "genocide" comment. They always love throwing around that word.
| 731 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:44:50am |
re: #727 simoom
Yeah, they finally put something up. Turns out it was actually two attendees:
[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
Racist jackasses.
| 732 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:46:23am |
re: #730 Gus
Naw, Destro's busy trying to claim that Iran isn't working on nuclear weapons and that proof comes from Israeli defense minister Barak - even as other Israelis within the defense establishment including current and former Mossad and Shin Bet leaders warn that they do, but disagree with PM Netenyahu on a course of action. Most are arguing for international action - not for Israel to go it alone.
| 733 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:46:35am |
re: #730 Gus
Did I cause any mayhem with my "genocide" comment. They always love throwing around that word.
"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
| 735 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:48:24am |
Pardon me for posting a link to an area that was hard hit by this storm.
An area that I love, an area in which I have fond memories and an area where the people have gone through hell over the past few years with storms and the BP oil spill.
I did not mean for it to be political.
carry on.
| 736 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:49:46am |
re: #701 Gus
Fail.
Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure
Hilarious listening to her. Considering all the crap that went down under W. People just fall head over heels for her... because of her accent.
I stopped clicking Think Progress links a long time ago but decided to check this one out. The title "Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure" is inaccurate. She cites Syria. Her initial hesitancy to criticize Obama was in regards to her planned speech which is going to be pro-Mitt, not anti-Obama.
| 737 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:51:04am |
re: #728 NJDhockeyfan
WOW, the Rachel Corrie page is still going strong. It's two moonbats against the rest.
There was another thread that went on for almost a week. It developed into quite the poo fight. The trolls lay down tasty trollbaits.
| 738 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:51:18am |
re: #736 Killgore Trout
I stopped clicking Think Progress links a long time ago but decided to check this one out. The title "Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure" is inaccurate. She cites Syria. Her initial hesitancy to criticize Obama was in regards to her planned speech which is going to be pro-Mitt, not anti-Obama.
Of course. It's a CBS News interview. CBS! Home of the throbbing memo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
| 739 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:51:43am |
re: #736 Killgore Trout
I stopped clicking Think Progress links a long time ago but decided to check this one out. The title "Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure" is inaccurate. She cites Syria. Her initial hesitancy to criticize Obama was in regards to her planned speech which is going to be pro-Mitt, not anti-Obama.
Condi Rise: a master at elocution, a fake British styled accent, and platitudes. A polite hot air filled wingnut in the Buckley style.— Gus (@Gus_802) August 29, 2012
| 740 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:52:28am |
TAMPA: Disturbed Man Gets Past Convention Security, Gives Keynote Address #RNC2012— Andy Borowitz (@BorowitzReport) August 29, 2012
| 741 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:52:53am |
Raw Video: Space Station View of Isaac
| 742 |
GunstarGreen Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:02am |
re: #240 Gus
Yeah. America is going broke because we pay teachers too much. And remember that education is a mess! Wait! I have an idea. Let's lower teachers salaries and benefits. That should attract and retain teachers to fix this education mess!
Problem solved.
//
SOP for the GOP:
CEOs: We have to pay them exorbitant sums to attract and retain the best and brightest! We can't lower their pay because then they'll go away!
Teachers: We have to lower their pay, those greedy sons(daughters) of bitches! Who cares about having the best and brightest to teach the next generation!
I get so goddamn angry. Blood-vessel-bursting furious. Even for backwoods hicks that like to vote mostly based on God -- can't they see that teachers are their neighbors? Can't they understand that rooting for CEO pay to remain sky-high while simultaneously rooting for teacher salary cuts makes absolutely no economic sense whatsoever? Can't they put some small modicum of thought into realizing that any argument for killing the wages of their friends and neighbors can be made for megacorp CEOs?
| 743 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:28am |
The Israeli and Jewish media are still going on about the alleged "hate crime" that was allegedly committed upon a drunk MSU student.
Police have said it was not a hate crime. The investigation and the weeping and wailing continue.
| 744 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:40am |
Oh Noes! Factchecking!
Fact checking the GOP Convention’s opening night
Can an entire convention be built around a grammatical error?
We wondered about that as we watched the first night of Republican Convention. From House Speaker John Boehner to RNC Chairman Reince Priebus to Ann Romney, speaker after speaker made reference to Obama’s statement that “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”
More here: Republican Retreads from Tampa
| 745 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:45am |
| 746 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:54:52am |
What right wing voter intimidation?
[Link: protectthepolls.com...]
| 747 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:56:36am |
re: #744 Killgore Trout
Oh Noes! Factchecking!
Fact checking the GOP Convention’s opening nightMore here: Republican Retreads from Tampa
National Review...
pay no attention to the factcheckers
| 748 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:56:42am |
re: #743 Learned Mother of Zion
The Israeli and Jewish media are still going on about the alleged "hate crime" that was allegedly committed upon a drunk MSU student.
Police have said it was not a hate crime. The investigation and the weeping and wailing continue.
They had some video up about some guy being tazered by some cops in Israel. Of course it morphed into the usual shit. I'm sure they'll post some videos of what PA cops do and come to the same sweeping generalizations. So this video turns into some conspiracy theory about Israeli cops training American cops and blah, blah, blah.
| 749 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:56:46am |
re: #738 Gus
Of course. It's a CBS News interview. CBS! Home of the throbbing memo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's a good interview and Charlie Rose was excellent as always. Think Progress' misrepresentation is the problem.
| 750 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:58:32am |
re: #749 Killgore Trout
It's a good interview and Charlie Rose was excellent as always. Think Progress' misrepresentation is the problem.
No it's not. They're right. All she does is read out a list of current events and whines and complains trying to say that Obama is not doing what Romney would be doing. It's dumb and all she has going for her is that accent.
| 751 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:59:37am |
| 752 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:00:20am |
re: #751 HappyWarrior
but pay attention to our white nationalist writers...........
We must revitalize our anglosphere!
| 753 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:01:53am |
re: #742 GunstarGreen
It's the result of decades of those CEOs playing the private sector against the public sector for fun and profit. Driving their own employees in the ground first, and now pointing to the public sector and going "Look at them, they took all your money, you should get it back!"
| 756 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:05:29am |
Wouldn't Syria be Bush's fault? I mean, isn't this what they promised would happen in the wake of a democratic Iraq, the sprouting of further movements towards democracy and liberalization in the Middle East? Did they think it was gonna be clean and neat? That the old regimes wouldn't fight back with every weapon in their arsenals?
| 757 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:05:37am |
We live in a strange world where a teacher who wants to get paid more and have better benefits is the greedy one while the executive who draws a bonus higher than the median income is someone to be admired. I don't care about wealth. I do care about respecting our educators.
| 758 |
RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:07:50am |
re: #746 William Barnett-Lewis
What right wing voter intimidation?
[Link: protectthepolls.com...]
From their "What is PTP?" page:
What is PTP?
Over the past year Voter Fraud has become an important issue in Florida. Governor Rick Scott has spearheaded the issue by creating new Voter ID laws to curb illegal voting. But the fear remains that it may be too little too late. Florida gun owners are uniting to bring a new law to the table called Protect the Polls. The logic behind Protect the Polls is simple. If you are a legal gun owner in the state of Florida and you suspect someone on Election Day is committing voter fraud you can shoot him or her with your licensed weapon and not be charged with a crime. Precedents have already been set allowing these rights, like the important Stand Your Ground law, and in this case, there is more at stake than just one person’s life; this is for the life of this great country.
Please tell me that this is a satire site.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:08:02am |
re: #755 dragonath
Charlie Rose is interviews for masochists.
I like him, he's one of the few real journalists left on TV. But he is old school. Most other anchors/interviewers has transformed themselves into pundits, advocates and commentators. I don't think it's been a constructive trend in journalism.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:08:17am |
re: #746 William Barnett-Lewis
What right wing voter intimidation?
[Link: protectthepolls.com...]
But. But. It's a conspiracy!
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:08:41am |
re: #756 Targetpractice
Wouldn't Syria be Bush's fault? I mean, isn't this what they promised would happen in the wake of a democratic Iraq, the sprouting of further movements towards democracy and liberalization in the Middle East? Did they think it was gonna be clean and neat? That the old regimes wouldn't fight back with every weapon in their arsenals?
Everything is George Bush's fault. Last report is he caused the 1889 Johnstown flood.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:09:25am |
re: #761 NJDhockeyfan
Everything is George Bush's fault. Last report is he caused the 1889 Johnstown flood.
Are we sure he's not the latest regeneration of The Master?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:09:25am |
re: #761 NJDhockeyfan
Everything is George Bush's fault. Last report is he caused the 1889 Johnstown flood.
Why don't you look at what he said instead of doing the knee jerk everyone is always blaming poor George Bush?
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:11:22am |
re: #756 Targetpractice
Wouldn't Syria be Bush's fault? I mean, isn't this what they promised would happen in the wake of a democratic Iraq, the sprouting of further movements towards democracy and liberalization in the Middle East? Did they think it was gonna be clean and neat? That the old regimes wouldn't fight back with every weapon in their arsenals?
I'm a little surprised the wingnuts didn't attempt to take credit for the Arab spring. It is the sort of thing Republicans were talking about circa 2004. I think it would be a stretch to credit Iraq with movements like Tahir Square. I'd like to see someone smart attempt to make the connection but I can't imagine it would be very convincing.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:11:35am |
Fortunately, people on the right wing aren't blaming Obama for everything. Someone has to be the adult in the room and it's them!
//
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:11:38am |
I think a lot of the problems in the ME go back to post WWI when you had colonial powers like the UK and France deciding the destinies of people whose interests they knew little about. R
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:12:29am |
Gingrich plays the those who cry racism are the real racists card.
All because Mathews had the temerity to do his job.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:12:35am |
re: #758 RadicalModerate
From their "What is PTP?" page:
Please tell me that this is a satire site.
I know. I paged that part. But as far as I can tell this crap is serious.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:12:49am |
Obama --> Cairo Speech --> Arab Spring --> Mubarak falls --> Moozlim Brotherhood (Morsi) takes his place --> Obama's fault.
//Wingnut
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:13:20am |
re: #759 Killgore Trout
I like him, he's one of the few real journalists left on TV. But he is old school. Most other anchors/interviewers has transformed themselves into pundits, advocates and commentators. I don't think it's been a constructive trend in journalism.
You got that right. Back in the days of Walter Cronkite they just reported the news and you really couldn't tell what political side they were on. Real journalism is pretty much dead.
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dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:14:06am |
re: #766 HappyWarrior
I think a lot of the problems in the ME go back to post WWI when you had colonial powers like the UK and France deciding the destinies of people whose interests they knew little about. R
David Lloyd George and the Foreign Office, especially.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:14:26am |
re: #766 HappyWarrior
I think a lot of the problems in the ME go back to post WWI when you had colonial powers like the UK and France deciding the destinies of people whose interests they knew little about. R
It pretty much is. You had the colonial powers who came in and carved up a massive empire composed of various neighboring but otherwise unfriendly groups into convenient zones for the purposes of administration. Then when those zones became nations in the wake of WWII, they had the new superpowers fucking with them virtually from Day One, playing them against each other in their own global chess game.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:14:27am |
re: #763 HappyWarrior
Why don't you look at what he said instead of doing the knee jerk everyone is always blaming poor George Bush?
Because it's his favorite pearl to clutch, hard to let go of that one.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:15:16am |
Problem with journalism these days is what KT has talked about in where journalists make the news about them. But the other problem is we're more celebrity driven too. What Snooki is doing is more prominent on the evening news than say a civil war. It's the dumbing down of the days. Partisans on both sides say the problem is the media is too liberal or conservative depending on who you ask but I think the real problem is they focus on trivial bullshit.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:15:40am |
re: #768 William Barnett-Lewis
I know. I paged that part. But as far as I can tell this crap is serious.
Notice on the Friends tab: NRA, Gov Rick Scott.
I wonder if Scott really supports this.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:17:12am |
re: #764 Killgore Trout
I'm a little surprised the wingnuts didn't attempt to take credit for the Arab spring. It is the sort of thing Republicans were talking about circa 2004. I think it would be a stretch to credit Iraq with movements like Tahir Square. I'd like to see someone smart attempt to make the connection but I can't imagine it would be very convincing.
They've tried off and on, mostly towards the beginning with Egypt, but that's when they were hoping for military intervention on our part that would see the installation of a US-friendly gov't.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:17:19am |
re: #773 Kronocide
Because it's his favorite pearl to clutch, hard to let go of that one.
If one clutches one's pearls too hard, one is liable to drop one's monocle.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:17:32am |
re: #771 dragonath
David Lloyd George and the Foreign Office, especially.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Looks like a good read. Speaking of Lloyd George, I read his great granddaughter's book on the Paris Conference. As I recall, it was a little biased in his favor but MacMillian did a nice job covering the nationalist groups in the aftermath of WWII. I say this as someone of Slovene decent, I think a great mistake was making that one nation. Of course, that's easy to say in hindsight but the Pan-South Slavism movement was doomed from the get go in my opinion.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:16am |
Could this be the mystery speaker?
Report: Clint Eastwood headed to the RNC
"Hey anarchists, get off my lawn!"
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:18am |
re: #774 HappyWarrior
Problem with journalism these days is what KT has talked about in where journalists make the news about them. But the other problem is we're more celebrity driven too. What Snooki is doing is more prominent on the evening news than say a civil war. It's the dumbing down of the days. Partisans on both sides say the problem is the media is too liberal or conservative depending on who you ask but I think the real problem is they focus on trivial bullshit.
I'm perfectly willing to throw a blame-bone to 24-hour networks, too. There isn't 24 hours worth of meaningful news in a day. Dilution of the stuff that actually matters with anything, be it celebrity gossip or something nominally useful, diminishes the degree to which people are able to/are interested in following the actual news.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:19am |
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:19am |
re: #774 HappyWarrior
Problem with journalism these days is what KT has talked about in where journalists make the news about them. But the other problem is we're more celebrity driven too. What Snooki is doing is more prominent on the evening news than say a civil war. It's the dumbing down of the days. Partisans on both sides say the problem is the media is too liberal or conservative depending on who you ask but I think the real problem is they focus on trivial bullshit.
I think part of it is that the media's playing us for suckers. We're not the customers, we're the product. The companies buying ad time are the customers.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:18:42am |
re: #770 NJDhockeyfan
You got that right. Back in the days of Walter Cronkite they just reported the news and you really couldn't tell what political side they were on. Real journalism is pretty much dead.
Oh, now that's just funny. Are you really going to tell me that based on their reporting you couldn't tell the beliefs of Cronkite, Morrow, Brinkley or the rest? Edward R. Morrow was probably best TV journalist ever but no one would ever have a hard time guessing his political inclinations.
As Hunter Thompson once put it, the only thing objective in the news is the box score.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:19:49am |
re: #768 William Barnett-Lewis
I know. I paged that part. But as far as I can tell this crap is serious.
Jesus
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dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:19:54am |
Well for real journalism there's Jim Lehrer, but he's on commie PBS...
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:21:24am |
re: #782 Targetpractice
I think part of it is that the media's playing us for suckers. We're not the customers, we're the product. The companies buying ad time are the customers.
That's a very good observation. I hadn't thought of it that way.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:21:44am |
re: #785 dragonath
Well for real journalism there's Jim Lehrer, but he's on commie PBS...
He does moderate debates very well. Must be a hard job because I am sure Lehrer like everyone else has an opinion but as a moderator, you have to be neutral. Reminds me of an interesting story I read about Justice John Marshall Harlan II who didn't even bother voting in elections because he felt it would influence his decisions too much.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:22:11am |
re: #785 dragonath
Well for real journalism there's Jim Lehrer, but he's on commie PBS...
He's good too.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:22:57am |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:23:07am |
LOL forever:
Woman claims Romney family owes her 130-year-old debt huff.to/PnDrwG— Huffington Post (@HuffingtonPost) August 29, 2012
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:23:33am |
re: #786 Killgore Trout
That's a very good observation. I hadn't thought of it that way.
Thanks. I mostly came about it as a result of NBC's shitty coverage of the Olympics, foregoing live coverage for taped coverage shown at "primetime" with a 1:1 ratio of coverage to ads played.
| 793 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:23:43am |
PHILADELPHIA — Penn State University, reeling from a child sex-abuse scandal, said the song Sweet Caroline, which includes the lines “Touching me, touching you,” was being dropped from its song list at football games.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:23:49am |
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:24:07am |
re: #789 Gus
More thought went into that decision - the PSU officials claim that they debated removing that song from the rotation for the past couple of years - than they ever did in removing Sandusky from the campus because of the alleged abuse (since proven).
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:24:43am |
re: #764 Killgore Trout
The problem is it happened under Obama. Further it has led to the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt so it must be Obama's fault and more evidence that he pals around with terrorists.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:25:19am |
re: #785 dragonath
Well for real journalism there's Jim Lehrer, but he's on commie PBS...
One can be personally biased yet still be objective.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:25:49am |
re: #796 lawhawk
More thought went into that decision - the PSU officials claim that they debated removing that song from the rotation for the past couple of years - than they ever did in removing Sandusky from the campus because of the alleged abuse (since proven).
The people generally in charge of discussing song choices at a football game are low-level sports marketing folks, not the president, AD, coach, board of directors, or anyone else directly tied to the Sandusky issue.
Let's judge Penn State for the actual misdeeds, not throw shit at a wall and see what sticks. Come on.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:26:34am |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:26:51am |
The funniest is when they claim Obama has ruined the special relationship we have with the Brits and then they complain that PM Cameron gave a speech too fawning over Obama. I mean it's not like Cameron is a member of Obama's party's UK counterpart. My two British cousin in laws seem to really like Obama and I think are amused at American wingnuts acting outraged on their behalf.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:27:05am |
re: #796 lawhawk
More thought went into that decision - the PSU officials claim that they debated removing that song from the rotation for the past couple of years - than they ever did in removing Sandusky from the campus because of the alleged abuse (since proven).
That's what bothers me the most. Removing a Neil Diamond song about Caroline Kennedy was a bigger deal to Penn State than actively removing a child molester and abuser from their coaching staff. WTF.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:27:06am |
The POTUS is coming to town today. Lots of traffic problems ahead.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:27:17am |
Romney Party Yacht Flies Cayman Islands Flag - ABC News abcn.ws/RssZc7— Josh Dorner (@JoshDorner) August 29, 2012
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darthstar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:27:57am |
One of the nut throwers was allowed back into the convention in time to hear his wife speak.
/
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:28:07am |
re: #804 Gus
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God bless the Cayman Islands, stand beside her and guide her while you pay lower taxes. Now quick imagine the wingnut reaction if an Obama yacht flew anything other than the American flag.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:28:20am |
re: #774 HappyWarrior
Problem with journalism these days is what KT has talked about in where journalists make the news about them. But the other problem is we're more celebrity driven too. What Snooki is doing is more prominent on the evening news than say a civil war. It's the dumbing down of the days. Partisans on both sides say the problem is the media is too liberal or conservative depending on who you ask but I think the real problem is they focus on trivial bullshit.
I think the trend sort of took off with Bill OReily who came from a tabloid background and then took on a blowhard pundit personality. What really gets to me is that most of our "news" personalities are just playing on air characters. Glenn Beck isn't really crazy and although Maddow is smart she's not nearly as smart as the character she plays on TV. These shows are scripted, these news personalities aren't using their own words, doing their own research or even expressing their own opinions. It's all written for them by someone else. Just just a fictional show as a substitute for news.
It's does add another level of humor to Steven Colbert's character. He's using a fake character to mock other fake characters.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:28:37am |
re: #806 HappyWarrior
God bless the Cayman Islands, stand beside her and guide her while you pay lower taxes.
God bless America money!
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:28:43am |
A Sikh will pray tonight at RNC. Christians should be respectful, but not bow their heads. Praying to a different god.— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 29, 2012
| 810 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:29:05am |
re: #806 HappyWarrior
God bless the Cayman Islands, stand beside her and guide her while you pay lower taxes.
Who rode for the Cayman Islands Olympic dressage team?
| 811 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:30:00am |
Grenades, machetes sold at store adjacent to protest camp ‘Romneyville’ outside RNC
TAMPA, Fla. — On Tuesday, The Daily Caller pulled the pin on an Army/Navy Surplus store located in Tampa, Fla., the site of the 2012 Republican National Convention.
Upon entering the store, TheDC was able to purchase a grenade, sold sans fuse. In speaking with store employees, TheDC learned about an assortment of weapons that could be sold to any customer, despite heightened security in Tampa.
Read the rest of the hard hitting pearl clutching journalism.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:30:16am |
re: #799 erik_t
“Sweet Caroline has been brought up in recent years as to whether or not it should remain a part of the playlist,” Greg J. Myford, Penn State’s associate athletic director of business relations & communications, said in a statement. “We hear from fans each year on whether or not we should continue it, given that it happens to be played in so many other professional and collegiate venues and has no real origination here at Penn State.”
Read more: [Link: www.nydailynews.com...]
Not some low end official. That came from an Associate AD. Someone in the same chain of command that would oversee the football department and work closely with the football department. It isn't just seeing what would stick; it shows serious issues with the university's administration and athletic department.
| 813 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:30:17am |
re: #807 Killgore Trout
I think the trend sort of took off with Bill OReily who came from a tabloid background and then took on a blowhard pundit personality. What really gets to me is that most of our "news" personalities are just playing on air characters. Glenn Beck isn't really crazy and although Maddow is smart she's not nearly as smart as the character she plays on TV. These shows are scripted, these new personalities aren't using their own words, doing their own research or even expressing their own opinions. It's all written for them by someone else. Just just a fictional show as a substitute for news.
It's does add another level of humor to Steven Colbert's character. He's using a fake character to mock other fake characters.
You know that's a really good point about Colbert that I never thought about. I really try to avoid cable news because there are so many blowhards out there on both sides no less. Ed Schultz on MSNBC particularly annoys me because he does this silly everyman act that just comes off as phony.
| 814 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:30:59am |
ABC News Hot Mic: Romneys 'Happy to Have a Party with Black People Drowning'
Keep is classy ABC.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:31:01am |
re: #811 Kronocide
Grenades, machetes sold at store adjacent to protest camp ‘Romneyville’ outside RNC
Read the rest of the hard hitting pearl clutching journalism.
I'm sure that store has been there selling that for some time now.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:32:17am |
SC GOP leader describes black people seeking voter ID as "a swarm of bees going after a watermelon." mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/28/163..." #GOP2012 #p2 #1u— PaulPimentel (@PaulPimentel) August 29, 2012
| 818 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:32:18am |
re: #809 Lidane
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I'm surprised he was that generous and didn't conflate Sikhism with Islam.
| 819 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:32:32am |
re: #815 Gus
I'm sure that store has been there selling that for some time now.
You would think they would stop selling those items until the RNC is over.
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:32:44am |
re: #812 lawhawk
Not some low end official. That came from an Associate AD. Someone in the same chain of command that would oversee the football department and work closely with the football department. It isn't just seeing what would stick; it shows serious issues with the university's administration and athletic department.
That's the dumbest thing I've read all day. Because egregious and horrific mistakes were made by people who were fired and now are either in prison or are standing trial, all future time allocations made by future employees must adhere to their wrong mentality?
Never mind that the associate AD was likely contacted for a statement, and an article like this in no way demonstrates that this person was involved in the actual decision-making process.
| 822 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:33:16am |
| 823 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:33:21am |
re: #819 NJDhockeyfan
You would think they would stop selling those items until the RNC is over.
But allow guns into the convention? Let me think about that for a second. Nah. I don't give a crap about either.
| 824 |
lawhawk Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:33:44am |
re: #791 Lidane
If she wanted to collect with interest (assuming 5% compounded), that $1,000 claim would amount to $567k.
| 825 |
dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:33:47am |
re: #778 HappyWarrior
Lloyd George did a good job rolling Wilson and Clemenceau at the Paris Peace Conferences. As I remember, the British were trying to manuever France to take land that would be the on the front lines of a new conflict.
At one point he even offered the administration of Armenia to the Americans.
| 826 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:33:50am |
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:34:09am |
re: #815 Gus
I'm sure that store has been there selling that for some time now.
Military surplus stores are a well-known hotbed of far-left activity.
| 828 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:34:22am |
re: #814 NJDhockeyfan
ABC News Hot Mic: Romneys 'Happy to Have a Party with Black People Drowning'
Keep is classy ABC.
Update 12:13. This item has been updated and corrected. It originally stated that the person on the audio was an ABC News employee. That is incorrect. It was originally streamed by ABC and Yahoo and no correction or retraction was made during the broadcast as far as we are aware.
That took all of 30 seconds to get to the bottom of.
Keep it objective NJD.
| 829 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:35:19am |
re: #827 erik_t
Military surplus stores are a well-known hotbed of far-left activity.
Matches don't start arson fires, people do.
The day that matches are outlawed is the day that only outlaws will have matches.
Matches? Matches? We don't need no steenkin' matches.
| 830 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:36:03am |
re: #784 blueraven
Jesus
But under Florida law, couldn't you shoot them first because you feel threatened?
| 831 |
William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:36:28am |
re: #809 Lidane
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Because it's not what ever evil mimicry of god Brian Fischer worships...
| 832 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:37:31am |
re: #828 Kronocide
That took all of 30 seconds to get to the bottom of.
Keep it objective NJD.
Newsbusters AND the The Atlantic Wire. Right on the heels of the Boehner boner. Starting to wonder about them.
| 833 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:37:33am |
re: #811 Kronocide
Grenades, machetes sold at store adjacent to protest camp ‘Romneyville’ outside RNC
Read the rest of the hard hitting pearl clutching journalism.
LOL...this is so full of moronic irony.
These are the same people that would allow guns anywhere, yet they want to target an army/navy surplus store.
| 834 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:37:55am |
re: #833 blueraven
LOL...this is so full of moronic irony.
These are the same people that would allow guns anywhere, yet they want to target an army/navy surplus store.
It is very ironical.
| 835 |
Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:38:06am |
re: #815 Gus
I'm sure that store has been there selling that for some time now.
No one is selling grenades in Tampa. The item is an empty grenade shell, i.e. scrap metal. The story admits it has no fuze. It also has no HE filler.
| 836 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:38:28am |
I don't blame them for wanting guns out of their convention but can't they see that's why many of us want guns out of schools, churches, etc.
| 837 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:38:32am |
Meanwhile, in Florida:
Firearms owners can shoot voters without ID.
Outrage that a military surplus store next to the RNC is not shut down, fretting about the Rapey Stabbey Bloc buying grenades sans fuses.
Somebody on a video made a crass joke about Romney.
| 838 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:38:41am |
re: #835 Decatur Deb
No one is selling grenades in Tampa. The item is an empty grenade shell i.e. scrap metal. The story admits it has no fuze. It also has no HE filler.
Oh yeah. That's what I thought. Can't buy grenades like that.
| 839 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:39:29am |
re: #837 Kronocide
Meanwhile, in Florida:
Firearms owners can shoot voters without ID.
Outrage that a military surplus store next to the RNC is not shut down, fretting about the Rapey Stabbey Bloc buying grenades sans fuses.
Somebody on a video made a crass joke about Romney.
This is Edward R. Murrow. Good night.
//
| 840 |
erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:39:34am |
re: #835 Decatur Deb
No one is selling grenades in Tampa. The item is an empty grenade shell, i.e. scrap metal. The story admits it has no fuze. It also has no HE filler.
As dangerous as the shoe thrown at W, but any thinking person already knew that.
| 841 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:40:06am |
re: #814 NJDhockeyfan
ABC News Hot Mic: Romneys 'Happy to Have a Party with Black People Drowning'
Keep is classy ABC.
That's pretty bad. Someone's going to lose a job over that.
| 842 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:40:06am |
Machines! Eleventy!
.@democratmachine!!!! MT @rebecca_cbsnj: Ann Romney says "Democratic machines" are responsible for creating Latino bias against the GOP.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) August 29, 2012
Sure. It's all the Democratic party's fault. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the GOP's open hostility towards languages that aren't English, to immigrants, and to Latinos that refuse to "self-deport".
| 843 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:40:19am |
Spotted at the RNC: Romney party yacht flies Cayman Islands flag. ABC NEWS [PHOTO]: twitter.com/dccc/status/24...— DCCC (@dccc) August 29, 2012
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:42:06am |
re: #814 NJDhockeyfan
ABC News Hot Mic: Romneys 'Happy to Have a Party with Black People Drowning'
Keep is classy ABC.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:42:06am |
re: #841 Killgore Trout
That's pretty bad. Someone's going to lose a job over that.
I doubt it. They still haven't removed the video from YouTube yet.
| 848 |
erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:42:23am |
re: #843 Gus
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I'm left only to conclude that not a single person in the Romney campaign has a clue about optics.
| 849 |
dragonath Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:42:29am |
There's something vaguely piratical about that flag!
| 850 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:42:49am |
re: #822 NJDhockeyfan
ABC hasn't removed the video yet. You can hear it right at the beginning.
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Like I said. Meh. I also feel meh about the peanuts incident which I think doesn't proves anything since they could have done it because they're from CNN and wingnuts still have CNN derangement.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:44:41am |
RNC 2012: Ron Paul Supporters Walk Out of RNC After Romney Nomination
A conservative herd of elephants trampled a septuagenarian's army yesterday during the first full day of the Republican National Convention in Tampa. Texas Congressman Ron Paul fell 1,871 delegates short of becoming the GOP's presidential nominee during yesterday's roll call, but the 73-year-old's supporters really took it in stride.
In fact, they walked out.
"We're all getting screwed here!" yelled one Paul supporter from Maine as he marched out of the Tampa Bay Times Forum. "If it can happen to me, it can happen to anybody."
Heh.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:44:50am |
re: #848 erik_t
I'm left only to conclude that not a single person in the Romney campaign has a clue about optics.
If they cared about optics, they wouldn't have chosen a VP candidate whose budget plan would benefit the wealthy like Mitt Romney at the expense of everyone and everything else.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:44:55am |
re: #842 Lidane
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Sure. It's all the Democratic party's fault. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the GOP's open hostility towards languages that aren't English, to immigrants, and to Latinos that refuse to "self-deport".
Yeah it wasn't that the Republican Party has gone out of its way to alienate Hispanic voters at all.// She's as clueless as her husband about why people vote the way they vote.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:46:01am |
re: #806 HappyWarrior
God bless the Cayman Islands, stand beside her and guide her while you pay lower taxes. Now quick imagine the wingnut reaction if an Obama yacht flew anything other than the American flag.
Heck, just imagine the outrage if Obama had the audacity to own a yacht, regardless of what country it was flagged under.
/
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:46:18am |
re: #841 Killgore Trout
That's pretty bad. Someone's going to lose a job over that.
Do you even know if it's an ABC employee? Please share.
| 857 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:46:22am |
"Rich people are just poor people with money." -- Rush Limbaugh, 8/29/12— Stop Rush Limbaugh (@StopRush) August 29, 2012
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:46:55am |
re: #853 Lidane
If they cared about optics, they wouldn't have chosen a VP candidate whose budget plan would benefit the wealthy like Mitt Romney at the expense of everyone and everything else.
Well, I can understand making important decisions that have real downsides. It's the completely unimportant decisions with real downsides that just leave me shaking my head.
Honestly, was it so hard to get a US-flagged yacht?
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:47:39am |
Small businessman who hit Obama at #GOP2012 convention got $850,000 in government loans: mojo.ly/NVk1Vv #WeBuiltIt— Mother Jones (@MotherJones) August 29, 2012
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:47:52am |
re: #857 Lidane
Is Rush philosophizing or dog-whistling? It's so hard to tell sometimes.
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:47:53am |
re: #858 erik_t
Well, I can understand making important decisions that have real downsides. It's the completely unimportant decisions with real downsides that just leave me shaking my head.
Honestly, was it so hard to get a US-flagged yacht?
Or strike the freakn' flag?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:48:20am |
re: #855 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Heck, just imagine the outrage if Obama had the audacity to own a yacht, regardless of what country it was flagged under.
/
How dare he flaunt his wealth. Oh you tell me Romney has a car elevator, you're just jealous of success! Saw earlier posted that Bachmann claimed that Obama can't related with the American people because he's too wealthy. That's almost as comical as Mitt's claim that Obama spent too much time at Harvard.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:48:22am |
re: #858 erik_t
Well, I can understand making important decisions that have real downsides. It's the completely unimportant decisions with real downsides that just leave me shaking my head.
Honestly, was it so hard to get a US-flagged yacht?
Are you kidding! Do you know how much you would have to pay in TAXES to register a yacht in the U.S.!1!ty
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:48:28am |
re: #856 Kronocide
Do you even know if it's an ABC employee? Please share.
It was some dude from Yahoo news. He might get fired over the comment but there's also the board operator who left a mic on without people knowing they were being broadcast.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:49:12am |
re: #859 Lidane
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Gee, I wish when my father had his own business that he could have gotten that kind of money but hey you built it all by yourself.//
| 866 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:49:56am |
During live coverage of the Republican National Convention here in Tampa, Yahoo News Washington bureau chief David Chalian provided the perfect example of the pervasive anti-Republican bias Mitt Romney faces in his bid to unseat President Barack Obama.In video broadcast Monday night by ABC and Yahoo over the Internet, Chalian can be heard claiming that GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney and his wife Ann are unconcerned about the fate of residents of the New Orleans area who are currently being hit by Hurricane Isaac.
“They aren’t concerned at all,” Chalian can be heard on the live broadcast. “They are happy to have a party when black people drown.”
That line elicits laughter from several employees listening in on the joke.
From the audio, it appears Chalian was talking to an unknown individual named “John” who appears to have made some sort of quip which cannot be heard on the video.
It takes one listen to the video to figure out that the quip was made by a female.
ALLPEARLSALLTHETIME.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:50:31am |
Let's play the skeptic. Let's say we have a hot mic and we find a person saying thus. I'll make that person me:
Gus: Man, things are getting pretty crazy out there. Some guy made a joke about Romney being happy to have a party with black people drowning.
Gotcha!
Breitbart reports: Gus caught on hot mic and quoted as saying " Romney being happy to have a party with black people drowning."
Film at 11. I didn't listen to the audio but this is an example.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:51:26am |
re: #842 Lidane
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Sure. It's all the Democratic party's fault. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the GOP's open hostility towards languages that aren't English, to immigrants, and to Latinos that refuse to "self-deport".
Come now, Lidane, you know better. Democrats are holding down Latinos by supporting bilingualism to help them integrate more easily and not ruthlessly treating any person of dark skin with suspicion if they have anything less than a purely "American" accent.
///
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:51:45am |
re: #858 erik_t
Well, I can understand making important decisions that have real downsides. It's the completely unimportant decisions with real downsides that just leave me shaking my head.
Honestly, was it so hard to get a US-flagged yacht?
Hard? No. Considerably more expensive? Yep. Costs too much to have to meet USCG standards. Or at least, that's what I've heard claimed. The real problem is the US sales tax on the Yacht that I'm sure would have kept a dozen horses home from the Olympics...
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:52:48am |
re: #870 William Barnett-Lewis
Hard? No. Considerably more expensive? Yep. Costs too much to have to meet USCG standards. Or at least, that's what I've heard claimed. The real problem is the US sales tax on the Yacht that I'm sure would have kept a dozen horses home from the Olympics...
| 872 |
dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:53:35am |
I'm curious: Is the RNC always held before the DNC? I'm not sure how regulated the timing is but I was curious but it occurred to me that it might have been more strategic for Romney and the GOP to hold their convention AFTER the DNC.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:54:29am |
Misleading headline ---> RT @drudge_report: BOOK: BIN LADEN WAS ALREADY DEAD... drudge.tw/Ord1Mt— Ryan J. Reilly (@ryanjreilly) August 29, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:55:04am |
Ten reasons to flag your vessel in the Cayman Islands
10. The Cayman Islands is renowned as a leading offshore jurisdiction with a tax neutral environment. It has a solid political, legal and fiscal environment with a stable parliamentary democracy since 1831. There are no income, capital gains or other taxes imposed by the Cayman Islands on vessel owning companies.
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simoom Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:55:21am |
AP: New Zealand Parliament passes 1st stage of gay marriage law spurred by Obama declaration
New Zealand lawmakers on Wednesday overwhelmingly cast a first vote in favor of a gay marriage bill that was given impetus by President Barack Obama's public support of the issue.
The 80 to 40 vote in front of a packed and cheering public gallery was the first of three votes Parliament must hold before the bill can become law, a process that typically takes several months and allows the public to weigh in. Only a simple majority was needed to ensure a second vote, and the margin is a strong indication that the bill will be passed.
...
Polls indicate about two-thirds of New Zealanders support gay marriage. It also has the support of most of the country's political leaders.
...
The proposed changes can be directly traced to Obama's declaration in May in support of gay marriage. That prompted center-right Prime Minister John Key to break his long silence on the issue by saying he was "not personally opposed" to the idea. Then lawmaker Louisa Wall, from the opposition Labour Party, put forward a bill she had previously drafted.
"If I'm really honest, I think the catalyst was around Obama's announcement, and then obviously our prime minister came out very early in support, as did the leader of my party, David Shearer," Wall told The Associated Press. "The timing was right."
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:55:25am |
re: #873 Gus
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I stopped reading when I saw that Tweet is from someone at Talking Points Memo.
//
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:55:30am |
re: #872 dragonfire1981
I'm curious: Is the RNC always held before the DNC? I'm not sure how regulated the timing is but I was curious but it occurred to me that it might have been more strategic for Romney and the GOP to hold their convention AFTER the DNC.
I was wondering that too. Who scheduled their's first?
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erik_t Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:55:58am |
re: #872 dragonfire1981
By convention, the out-of-office party goes first.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:55:59am |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:56:17am |
I think it's random but perhaps the challenging party usually has their convention first. I remember the 2004 DNC happening a good few weeks before the 2004 RNC for some reason.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:56:31am |
re: #866 Kronocide
It takes one listen to the video to figure out that the quip was made by a female.
ALLPEARLSALLTHETIME.
I think the first comment..."they're not concerned at all" was a female, but the other quoted statement did sound like a younger man.
reportedly a yahoo "news" Washington bureau chief ...
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Petero1818 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:57:24am |
re: #874 jaunte
A big reason appears to be the ability to staff one's yacht without regard to US employment rules, and taxation related to employment.
[Link: www.powerandmotoryacht.com...]
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Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:57:35am |
re: #875 simoom
AP: New Zealand Parliament passes 1st stage of gay marriage law spurred by Obama declaration
Progress is still possible. It's important to remember.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:57:56am |
re: #843 Gus
Here in California a lot of people will register/store their large boats down in mexican waters to avoids paying property taxes on them. Not surprising that the billionaire hosting the fundraiser would do the same.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:58:41am |
re: #884 Obdicut
what was that, that Christie said about leaders not following polls but changing them? //
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:59:40am |
re: #885 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance
Here in California a lot of people will register/store their large boats down in mexican waters to avoids paying property taxes on them. Not surprising that the billionaire hosting the fundraiser would do the same.
Feck it. He owns this. We'll do just as they did with Kerry moving his yacht around in the states.
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dragonfire1981 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:59:42am |
re: #878 erik_t
By convention, the out-of-office party goes first.
For some reason I thought the Rs had gone first in 2008 as well, but a quick Google search indicates I was wrong.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 9:59:48am |
re: #882 Gus
That's not a Cayman Islands flag.
You're right, because it's flying a Caymen Islands ensign.
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Only The Lurker Knows Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:00:06am |
re: #858 erik_t
"Honestly, was it so hard to get a US-flagged yacht?"
No. But by flagging it in the Caymen Isle, he avoids having to pay personal property tax on it.
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:00:31am |
Pretty ironic: 'news' site with no history of credibility or objectivity finds pimple on ass of 'mainstream media' and makes news of it.
This is effective on two fronts: it drags down supposed 'mainstream media' news to the propagandists level, and further validates a premise that all news is biased, see.
Are we to blame the mainstream media for this, or us who let this ploy work?
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Petero1818 Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:01:15am |
re: #882 Gus
That's not a Cayman Islands flag.
There is a blue and red - The red is to be used at sea.
[Link: www.gov.ky...]
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:01:50am |
re: #894 Petero1818
There is a blue and red - The red is to be used at sea.
[Link: www.gov.ky...]
In any event! It's a FURRIN' flag! ;)
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Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:02:02am |
re: #881 blueraven
I think the first comment..."they're not concerned at all" was a female, but the other quoted statement did sound like a younger man.
reportedly a yahoo "news" Washington bureau chief ...
Yeah, I kept listening to it, after another 3 times I could make out the diff voices. I think it is Chalain, watching other videos of him confirms it.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:02:45am |
re: #872 dragonfire1981
I'm curious: Is the RNC always held before the DNC? I'm not sure how regulated the timing is but I was curious but it occurred to me that it might have been more strategic for Romney and the GOP to hold their convention AFTER the DNC.
Per Wiki:
There is no rule dictating the order, but since 1956 the incumbent party has held its convention second. Between 1864 and 1952, the Democrats went second every year (except for 1888). In 1956, when Republican Dwight D. Eisenhower was the incumbent, the Democrats went first, and the party out of power has gone first ever since. (Between 1936 and 1952, the Democrats were the incumbent party and went second, but it is unclear whether they went second because they held the White House or because they had always gone second.) Since 1952, all major party conventions have been held in the months of July, August or (for the first time in 2004), early September. (Election laws in some states would likely prevent conventions from moving into mid-September). In the last half of the 20th century, conventions were mostly scheduled about one month apart, often with the Summer Olympics in between, each with four days of business scheduled, with the exception of the 1972 GOP convention which was three days. Since 2008, the Democratic and Republican conventions have instead been held in back-to-back weeks following the conclusion of the Olympics.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:02:57am |
Heh honestly I don't care about the flag. I am amused by it though given the tendency of Romney and his surrogates to accuse the president of somehow not being proud to be an American.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:03:18am |
Inside the Romney Super Yacht Cracker Bay #RNC #p2 twitter.com/JeffersonObama... twitter.com/JeffersonObama... #p2 #RNC twitter.com/JeffersonObama...— Jeff Gauvin (@JeffersonObama) August 29, 2012
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:03:18am |
I tried to register my canoe in the Caymans, but my arms got too tired.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:03:34am |
re: #892 Gus
Argh. Confusing.
Aye, tis. People hear the word "ensign" and think military rank, but it's also the word for the flag ships fly when at sea.
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NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:05:15am |
Occupy protesters confront Westboro Baptist Church demonstrators
TAMPA - Downtown at 4 p.m., there is a disturbance. Cops on bikes rush to intercept. Mounted police move in as well. A mob of loud protesters are marching toward city center.
It's the occupy protesters on the move to the protest zone. They chant and carry signs. They are angry.
Police block their path and divert them, while ground forces move ahead of the pack. The protesters pick up the pace. They have someone to confront: Westboro Baptist Church.
The protesters converge on the 10 people in the Westboro group who are quickly surrounded. Westboro protesters hold insulting, derogatory signs while singing and praying out loud.
Their voice are quickly dwarfed by hundreds of catcalls and vulgar slurs. Same-sex protesters kiss in front of them, daring Westboro to stop them. It's a tense few moments before cops in riot gear -- complete with helmets and shields -- separate the two groups.
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:05:51am |
re: #901 Targetpractice
Aye, tis. People hear the word "ensign" and think military rank, but it's also the word for the flag ships fly when at sea.
Red if by land and blue if by sea!
//
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Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:08:48am |
Not endorsed by the likes of Bryan Fischer:
The Son of Man is tired of the bullshit. Stop wasting your time on stupidity. Start taking care of one another.— Jesus Christ (@JesusOfNaz316) August 19, 2012
| 906 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:09:18am |
Fake story is fake. Outrageous outrage not really outrageous.
Was Puerto Rican RNC official the target of “USA! USA!” chants?
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Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:09:43am |
Cue the... "I'm against the Westboro baptist Church but this is outrageous" routine.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:10:28am |
re: #907 Gus
Cue the... "I'm against the Westboro baptist Church but this is outrageous" routine.
I think it's hilarious myself. I always liked mocking the crazy campus preachers we got because they said such stupid crap.
| 909 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:10:48am |
re: #907 Gus
Cue the... "I'm against the Westboro baptist Church but this is outrageous" routine.
I thought would could safely root for the occupy people on this one.
| 910 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:11:00am |
re: #904 dragonath
Doug Funnie's going to be pissed, Quayleman is no longer in office. Also I see the Republican nominee is a female vet who led troops in combat. Isn't the Republican platform against women in combat?
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jaunte Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:11:24am |
From this morning's Fox Fan Scoop email
Image: noperceptiblesenseofirony.jpg
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:12:17am |
re: #911 jaunte
From this morning's Fox Fan Scoop email
Image: noperceptiblesenseofirony.jpg
Yeah, Fox accusing people of being too negative is like well you know, it's weird.
| 913 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:12:25am |
re: #906 Killgore Trout
Fake story is fake. Outrageous outrage not really outrageous.
Was Puerto Rican RNC official the target of “USA! USA!” chants?
That's outrageous!
| 914 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:12:35am |
"Jesus and Ayn Rand simply could not be further apart. A man who reveres both is a gigantic fool or a massive fraud." goo.gl/Bq6PZ— Jamil Smith (@JamilSmith) August 29, 2012
Or a republican nominee for VP.
| 916 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:12:59am |
re: #906 Killgore Trout
Fake story is fake. Outrageous outrage not really outrageous.
Was Puerto Rican RNC official the target of “USA! USA!” chants?
That was pretty well debunked last night here at LGF.
No matter though, it was rude and she had to suffer the consequences .
| 917 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:13:03am |
| 918 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:13:17am |
The Westboro assholes are a cult of lawyers. They WANT to be attacked so that they can then sue the shit out of them.
They have A LOT of lawsuits going on.
| 920 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:14:49am |
re: #918 Learned Mother of Zion
The Westboro assholes are a cult of lawyers. They WANT to be attacked so that they can then sue the shit out of them.
They have A LOT of lawsuits going on.
I hope they lose them all. Where are they getting all the money to travel around?
| 921 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:15:51am |
Mitt Romney’s sister defends his abortion stance
Mitt Romney’s eldest sister, who is not a regular surrogate for the Republican on the campaign trail, is trying to reassure women who worry about the GOP’s approach to abortion. National Journal:
Mitt Romney’s eldest sister, who has backed prominent Democrats for office and is in Tampa showing support for her brother, had some reassuring words Wednesday for women concerned about the Republican Party’s hard line on abortion.
Mitt Romney would never make abortions illegal as president, Jane Romney said when National Journal asked her about the subject after a “Women for Mitt” event. “He’s not going to be touching any of that,” she said. “It’s not his focus.”
I dare Mitt to say this himself from the podium.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:15:54am |
re: #918 Learned Mother of Zion
The Westboro assholes are a cult of lawyers. They WANT to be attacked so that they can then sue the shit out of them.
They have A LOT of lawsuits going on.
That's what Brother Micah tries to accomplish on the campuses. So much easier and lawsuit free just to tell him that you will continue to enjoy masturbating and premarital sex to hitting him.
| 923 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:17:03am |
Isaac is still dumping quite a bit of rain on NOLA, given it is barely creeping northward:
[Link: radar.weather.gov...]
| 924 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:17:05am |
re: #921 freetoken
I dare Mitt to say this himself from the podium.
Maybe Mitt circa 2002 wouldn't but Mitt 2012 who fears the so-cons in his party easily would.
| 925 |
Eventual Carrion Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:17:13am |
re: #920 NJDhockeyfan
I hope they lose them all. Where are they getting all the money to travel around?
Pimping their daughters like the bible taught them.
| 926 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:17:22am |
9.26" of rain has fallen in New Orleans so far, 5.21" in Mobile, and 3.42" in Gulfport, all as of 10am CDT.— Weather Underground (@wunderground) August 29, 2012
| 927 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:18:00am |
| 928 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:19:25am |
Not the Onion, yacht called Cracker Bay, Cayman Islands flag, hosts Romney fundraiser -> abcn.ws/MZZT33— Sarah Posner (@sarahposner) August 29, 2012
| 929 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:20:31am |
| 930 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:21:18am |
re: #929 HappyWarrior
Does he have a train called the White Bread Express?
Mitt Romney. He's just like you and me! You don't have to love him.
| 931 |
freetoken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:22:44am |
Paul Ryan Is a Climate Change Denialist
When it comes to climate change policy, as in so many other things, the Mitt Romney who was governor of Massachusetts is a man I could almost imagine voting for in a presidential election. One of the little fantasies that many of us progressives use to fend off the nightmare of a Romney win in November is the idea that he has flip-flopped so much on his way to a presidential candidacy that maybe once in office he'd flop back to the old Romney and give us a Nixon-in-China moment on climate change. There may have been fat chance of that, but with the choice of Paul Ryan as his running mate, even that illusory comfort is denied to us. With his pick of Ryan, who will address the Republican National Convention tonight, Romney has declared himself to be firmly behind the notion that we can go on burning fossil fuels forever without running out or damaging the climate.
The most explicit statement of Ryan’s climate change views appears in this 2009 op-ed, and since he still features it on his official website, we can take it as an indication of his beliefs. And what a litany of classic denialist dogma it is. [...]
| 933 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:23:39am |
The Republican National Convention: the only place where Victoria Jackson is still considered famous yfrog.com/h8c97qjj— Josh Barro (@jbarro) August 29, 2012
| 934 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:24:24am |
We don't need a hot mic to pick up all the shit we've been hearing from Republicans at this convention.
| 936 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:24:50am |
PWN3D
NOW he tells us. Orrin Hatch says against marriage amendment; AFTER defeats conservative in primary. huff.to/QSR6w1— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) August 29, 2012
| 937 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:25:12am |
re: #931 freetoken
Paul Ryan used the fact it was snowing in Wisconsin in February to say hey my constituents are skeptical about this global warming thing. Guy is either not too bright or a pandersarus just like his running mate.
| 938 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:25:32am |
re: #921 freetoken
Mitt Romney’s sister defends his abortion stance
Mitt Romney would never make abortions illegal as president
I dare Mitt to say this himself from the podium.
Even if true, it's not good enough. His Justice Department would have to stand up to the states trying to push laws attempting to challenge Roe v Wade. He would not order them to do so.
| 939 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:25:42am |
re: #936 Learned Mother of Zion
PWN3D
[Embedded content]
Ha! You know I have this theory about Orrin Hatch.
| 940 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:26:17am |
Nothing is more fun than doing your company's annual security refresher training, especially when you're in the security department. That was a waste of 2 hours.
| 941 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:28:05am |
NASA's Kepler Discovers Multiple Planets Orbiting a Pair of Stars
Coming less than a year after the announcement of the first circumbinary planet, Kepler-16b, NASA's Kepler mission has discovered multiple transiting planets orbiting two suns for the first time. This system, known as a circumbinary planetary system, is 4,900 light-years from Earth in the constellation Cygnus.
This discovery proves that more than one planet can form and persist in the stressful realm of a binary star and demonstrates the diversity of planetary systems in our galaxy.
Science!
| 942 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:28:08am |
Well, this explains a lot
David Barton Went 70 for 71 in Shaping the GOP Platform
The extent to which just how thoroughly the Religious Right's agenda dominates the 2012 GOP platform was helpfully exposed last night when David Barton appeared on GBTV to brag that the platform is "the most conservative in my lifetime," revealing that he personally "made 71 motions to add to this platform and 70 of them got passed":
| 943 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:28:21am |
Hamsters are a huffin and a puffin.
| 944 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:28:40am |
re: #938 wrenchwench
I dare Mitt to say this himself from the podium.
Even if true, it's not good enough. His Justice Department would have to stand up to the states trying to push laws attempting to challenge Roe v Wade. He would not order them to do so.
And if they did that, that would validate the social conservatives' mistrust of him. He doesn't want to do that because he knows they're critical to his election and if he wins, reelection effort.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:29:30am |
re: #942 Kragar
Well, this explains a lot
That's just plain sad if true. Barton not only is an extremist nut, he's a stupid one at that.
| 946 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:29:30am |
re: #942 Kragar
Well, this explains a lot
I wonder which one thing was just too much for them. Maybe it was a redundancy.
| 947 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:30:09am |
re: #946 wrenchwench
I wonder which one thing was just too much for them. Maybe it was a redundancy.
Probably the one where there's a specific prohibition against criticizing David Barton. I jest as I wonder too.
| 948 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:32:44am |
| 950 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:36:09am |
UPDATE: YAHOO News confirms: David Chalian "terminated effective immediately" politi.co/QyF7ci— Dylan Byers (@DylanByers) August 29, 2012
| 951 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:36:09am |
| 953 |
Kronocide Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:38:15am |
re: #931 freetoken
USA USA Chants over Puerto Rican delegate Fake Outrage over Pearl Clutching Outrage takes precedent.
| 954 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:39:07am |
re: #950 Gus
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Yahoo News confirms:
"David Chalian's statement was inappropriate and does not represent the views of Yahoo!. He has been terminated effective immediately. We have already reached out to the Romney campaign, and we apologize to Mitt Romney, his staff, their supporters and anyone who was offended."
Good for Yahoo.
| 955 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:39:42am |
Now On Ann Romney’s Shoulders: The Hispanic Vote
Ann Romney’s warmth and appeal, on full display in her convention speech Tuesday night, is being touted as the Ginzu Knife of Republican politics: There’s nothing it can’t do.
Despite a slate of Latino Republican speakers at the convention, former George W. Bush Cabinet member Mel Martinez, told an audience in Tampa Wednesday that it might be Ann Romney who actually does what her husband’s campaign hasn’t been able to so far: rally the Hispanic vote.
Romney’s speech was pitched directly to women, in keeping with Romney’s role on the campaign trail as Mitt Romney’s female ambassador. Both women and Hispanics have polled heavily in favor of President Obama.
| 956 |
aagcobb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:40:53am |
re: #921 freetoken
I dare Mitt to say this himself from the podium.
Mitt wouldn't make abortions illegal. He will just appoint supreme court justices who will reverse Roe v. Wade.
| 958 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:42:07am |
re: #956 aagcobb
I dare Mitt to say this himself from the podium.
Mitt wouldn't make abortions illegal. He will just appoint judges who will reverse Roe v. Wade.
Strict constructionists or if you want to be more truthful, people who share Romney and his judicial adviser Bork's views.
| 959 |
aagcobb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:42:46am |
| 960 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:43:13am |
re: #956 aagcobb
He would leave it up to the states, then make sure the regulations and funding requirements are so ludicrous, the States wouldn't be able to afford it.
| 961 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:43:39am |
re: #955 Kragar
She's off to a rough start if Martinez truly believes that's the case. Saw a post above where Mrs. Romney was claiming that "Democratic machines" are why Hispanics have become more Democratic." Yeah it's not the fact that Republicans ran away from the Bush policies and rhetoric that made their party look more inclusive to Latinos.
| 962 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:43:58am |
The #Romney party yacht is also foreign made (Hakvoort, Holland): dianayachtdesign.com/yachts/histori... #p2 #tlot #Obama #BuyAmerican #RNC— Gus (@Gus_802) August 29, 2012
| 963 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:44:40am |
| 964 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:45:08am |
| 965 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:46:18am |
re: #951 NJDhockeyfan
Yikes!
LAPD: 'Active' Terror Plots Linked To Iran, Hezbollah, 'Sovereign Citizens'
Interesting.
| 966 |
CarleeCork Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:46:23am |
| 968 |
GunstarGreen Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:48:57am |
re: #782 Targetpractice
I think part of it is that the media's playing us for suckers. We're not the customers, we're the product. The companies buying ad time are the customers.
re: #786 Killgore Trout
re: #792 Targetpractice
It's the ONLY way to think about it. I've said this in a number of previous posts here, but you must ALWAYS keep in mind that the news media is a business. A profit-oriented business. Their job is not to give you (the viewer/reader/listener) the truth, their job is to make money. They do not make money from you, they make it from ad space/time sales. They sell that space based on target demographic and viewership/readership/listenership numbers. Their primary concern is boosting that -ship through any means possible, and the raw, objective truth is one of the worst possible ways to do that.
| 969 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:49:08am |
re: #951 NJDhockeyfan
Yikes!
LAPD: 'Active' Terror Plots Linked To Iran, Hezbollah, 'Sovereign Citizens'
The MOndowiess/OWS/Alex Jones are gonna love this part....
As the LAPD prepares to send more of its officers to Israel for additional counter-terrorism training, Chief Beck warned the threat against targets here in the Southland is very real.
Da Juice!
| 970 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:49:24am |
re: #966 CarleeCork
So, why doesn't Barton run for president?
Probably because he knows he'd get beat in a way that would make Alf Landon, George McGovern, and Walter Mondale laugh at him. Okay, maybe not because there are some states I think would go to him because Obama hate is that high in some places.
| 971 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:51:00am |
re: #942 Kragar
Well, this explains a lot
Oh wonderful. So his dumbshittery is what is guiding the GOP platform this year?
You're right. That does explain a lot.
| 972 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:52:41am |
re: #966 CarleeCork
So, why doesn't Barton run for president?
Because he'd have to work with icky Democrats to get anything done. And because he couldn't sucker idiot wingnuts with his books and lectures while in office.
| 973 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:52:52am |
re: #969 Killgore Trout
The MOndowiess/OWS/Alex Jones are gonna love this part....
Da Juice!
Dont forget the sovereign citizens, which encompass a lot of white supremacist who also hate "Da Juice"
| 974 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:53:38am |
re: #973 blueraven
Dont forget the sovereign citizens, which encompass a lot of white supremacist who also hate "Da Juice"
The Christian Identity movement too. They always love themselves some good old Antisemitism.
| 975 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:53:59am |
re: #973 blueraven
Dont forget the sovereign citizens, which encompass a lot of white supremacist who also hate "Da Juice"
They fall under the Alex Jones umbrella.
| 976 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:54:19am |
re: #973 blueraven
Dont forget the sovereign citizens, which encompass a lot of white supremacist who also hate "Da Juice"
David Duke
| 977 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:54:29am |
Convention bounce!
Presidential Election: Obama 47% (+1), Romney 46% (-1). Get the full trend...gallup.com/poll/150743/Ob... #Election2012— gallupnews (@gallupnews) August 29, 2012
| 978 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:55:31am |
| 979 |
funky chicken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:56:19am |
re: #904 dragonath
Some of the bad feeling came from a flier produced by the Schweikert campaign saying Mr. Quayle “goes both ways”—a common description of bisexuality, though Mr. Schweikert’s campaign said it referred to Mr. Quayle’s allegedly contradictory positions on conservative issues.
The flier prompted a denunciation from Sen. John McCain (R., Ariz.), who held up the brochure at a press conference and endorsed Mr. Quayle. Arizona’s other Republican senator, Jon Kyl, also backed Mr. Quayle, even filming a commercial for him.
Another furor unfolded when Mr. Schweikert seized on a report about a congressional trip to Israel where Rep. Kevin Yoder (R., Kan.) swam nude in the Sea of Galilee, later apologizing. Mr. Schweikert noted that Mr. Quayle also went for a swim, but the congressman said his was a respectful action to get water for a baptism.
The GOP establishment appeared to see Quayle, 35 years old, as a promising young conservative. That prompted the Club for Growth, a powerful small-government group, to warn House Republican leaders not to intervene on Mr. Quayle’s behalf, threatening to spend significant money on behalf of Mr. Schweikert, 50, if they did so.
In the end, neither the House leadership nor the Club for Growth got involved in the Arizona race. But the result appeared to satisfy the Club.
“The House Republican leadership also deserves to be applauded for heeding our call to stay out of this race,” said Club for Growth President Chris Chocola. “By not favoring Quayle over Schweikert, they sent a strong message to their conference that passionate defenses of economic freedom will not be punished and agitation in favor of fiscal conservatism will not be stifled.”
Sorry I didn't block quote that--broken mouse. Anyway, somebody please tell me the democrats nominated somebody sane.
| 980 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:56:24am |
My favorite Alex Jones was when he called Kony a scapegoat and suggested Angelina Jolie should be arrested for war crimes. That poor bastard needs a lot of help.
| 981 |
Targetpractice Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:56:24am |
re: #977 Interesting Times
Convention bounce!
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If Romney gets nothing out this, he truly will be an even bigger embarrassment to the GOP than Kerry ever was for the DNC.
| 982 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:56:38am |
re: #977 Interesting Times
Romneybot HQ is already busy lowering expectations for any post-convention polls.
| 984 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:57:07am |
re: #973 blueraven
Dont forget the sovereign citizens, which encompass a lot of white supremacist who also hate "Da Juice"
They're admitting that they were totally overlooking that group:
Downing [Deputy Chief Michael Downing, commanding officer of the LAPD’s counter-terrorism unit] told the Los Angeles Times the LAPD will no longer profile citizens based on race or religion under the “Suspicious Activity Reporting” (SAR) program, but will now instead focus on behavioral patterns such as fundraising, suspicious photography and other activity.
| 985 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:59:25am |
| 986 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 10:59:59am |
re: #985 Learned Mother of Zion
But...JOB CREATORS!
Made in Holland. Which has a universal health care system.
| 987 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:00:17am |
re: #977 Interesting Times
Convention bounce!
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They got that poll done since last night?
| 988 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:02:08am |
re: #987 NJDhockeyfan
They got that poll done since last night?
Course not, but if had gone the other way...
| 989 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:02:20am |
Seems like the new Madden is more than just slightly better graphics and updated rosters. Woot.
| 991 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:03:45am |
The bipartisan war on facts continues...
WaPo's Glenn Kessler Has Fact-Checking Tantrum Over 'You Didn't Build That'
Glenn Kessler is The Washington Post's laughably biased fact checker, and when you think of Kessler, remember this -- remember the "fact" checker who called Romney a liar for saying a president who didn’t go to Israel didn't go to Israel.
This guy is utterly shameless, and this morning he's having a full-blown tantrum.
...
What the feckless Kessler needs to come to terms with is that the era of his or any biased, Obama-shilling fact checker having any impact on anything is long over.When you start disguising your left-wing opinions as fact and calling people liars for stating a president who didn't go to Israel didn't go to Israel -- no one's going to take you seriously anymore.
And this morning's crybabying isn't doing Kessler's credibility a whole helluva lot of good either.
Rage, little fact-checker, rage.
| 992 |
funky chicken Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:05:05am |
re: #980 HappyWarrior
My favorite Alex Jones was when he called Kony a scapegoat and suggested Angelina Jolie should be arrested for war crimes. That poor bastard needs a lot of help.
We have creepy Paulian neighbors who put some xeroxed infowars crap on all the doors in the neighborhood yesterday.
| 993 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:06:04am |
re: #992 funky chicken
We have creepy Paulian neighbors who put some xeroxed infowars crap on all the doors in the neighborhood yesterday.
Try having a brother that subscribes to that crap and spouts off crap about currency even though he's got even less of a background economics than I do. Really the Paul-Jones crowd is nucking futs.
| 996 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:07:17am |
Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure
when asked to offer specifics this morning on CBS, all Rice could come up with was some vague attack on Obama’s Syria policy, which, host Norah O’Donnell noted, the president himself might agree with:
O’DONNELL: Can you be specific about somewhere where you think President Obama has failed on foreign policy.RICE: What we should do tonight, is talk about what a President Romney would mean for America. It’s not a time to look back, it’s a time to look forward. We have real challenges out there, in the Middle East, in Asia, in Europe, with our allies.
O’DONNELL: But if President Obama isn’t doing anything wrong, then why change things?
RICE: It’s a question of what a President Romney would do and there is no doubt that the United States’ voice has been muted and when the United States’ voice is muted the world is a more dangerous place.
O’DONNELL: How is the United States’ voice muted?
RICE: Just look at the situation in Syria for instance. We have a circumstance in which Assad is butchering his people. The Iranians are helping him to do so. The United States seems to be mired in the Security Council. The Russians and the Chinese say no, no, no and we don’t have an answer. When that is the case, it’s a dangerous place. …
O’DONNELL: But I think the president agrees with that as well. Having covered the White House, the question is whether … a President Romney would be willing to advocate and commit American troops, American lives, in a place like Syria right now.
| 997 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:07:40am |
re: #994 Gus
Ummm. Why?
I think it's funny to watch people try to ignore reality. The comments are good too.
| 998 |
Lidane Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:08:53am |
re: #991 Killgore Trout
Who cares? National Review has already told people to ignore the fact checkers.
| 999 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:09:23am |
re: #997 Killgore Trout
I think it's funny to watch people try to ignore reality. The comments are good too.
I do not seek reality at a Breitbart site. They've lied too many times.
| 1000 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:11:09am |
re: #997 Killgore Trout
I think it's funny to watch people try to ignore reality. The comments are good too.
So you're going to use and article by John Nolte at Breitbart to make that point? Then say that "the comments are good." Got it.
| 1001 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:12:34am |
re: #996 Kragar
Condi Rice Can’t Name A Specific Obama Foreign Policy Failure
She is in a tough spot there.
Most reasonable people will admit that Obama has been quite good on foreign affairs and a very effective CIC.
| 1002 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:13:03am |
re: #998 Lidane
Who cares? National Review has already told people to ignore the fact checkers.
Heck. The Romney camp did as well. Sheesh.
The Astounding Cynicism of Mitt Romney: Who Cares What Fact Checkers Say?
National Review’s Advice for RNC Watchers: Ignore the Fact-Checkers
| 1003 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:13:12am |
re: #998 Lidane
Who cares? National Review has already told people to ignore the fact checkers.
Looks like the Breitbart crew didn't get the memo. I've been wondering about the fact checking business model. Partisans on both sides hate the fact checkers but can't resist using them as a credible source to slam the other side. MSM outlets, who should be checking their own facts, give the fact checkers lots of mentions. I think the fact checkers have found a nice little niche market. Fact checking really shouldn't be such a rarity but nobody else is doing it.
| 1004 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:13:47am |
re: #1003 Killgore Trout
Looks like the Breitbart crew didn't get the memo. I've been wondering about the fact checking business model. Partisans on both sides hate the fact checkers but can't resist using them as a credible source to slam the other side. MSM outlets, who should be checking their own facts, give the fact checkers lots of mentions. I think the fact checkers have found a nice little niche market. Fact checking really shouldn't be such a rarity but nobody else is doing it.
You got to be a real bonehead to not know about the friction between Charles and John Nolte. What the heck is wrong with you?
| 1005 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:15:01am |
re: #1001 blueraven
She is in a tough spot there.
Most reasonable people will admit that Obama has been quite good on foreign affairs and a very effective CIC.
Well I will admit that I am glad that she didn't spout some bullshit like her candidate of choice does about how Obama "apologizes" for us.
| 1006 |
allegro Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:15:18am |
re: #955 Kragar
Romney’s speech was pitched directly to women, in keeping with Romney’s role on the campaign trail as Mitt Romney’s female ambassador. Both women and Hispanics have polled heavily in favor of President Obama.
Not really. It was pitched to moms and wives. Women? Not so much.
| 1007 |
Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:15:44am |
re: #1004 Gus
You got to be a real bonehead to not know about the friction between Charles and John Nolte. What the heck is wrong with you?
Uhhh...you're outragrage is misplaced. It's an absurd article that makes Nolte look like a delusional seething idiot in complete denial of reality. Why does that upset you?
| 1008 |
Kragar Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:16:05am |
Author Of South Carolina Voter ID Law Acknowledges Racist Emails
During Tuesday’s trial, critics who charge that voter ID is designed to disenfranchise minority voters appeared to have scored an important victory when they presented the law’s author state Rep. Alan Clemmons (R), with racist emails he received while drafting the legislation:
Garrard Beeney, who represented the civil rights groups, presented emails sent to and from Clemmons’ personal account between 2009 and 2011, when he was working on the law.One, from a man named Ed Koziol, used racially charged rhetoric to denounce the idea that poor, black voters might lack transportation or other resources necessary to obtain photo ID. If the legislature offered a reward for identification cards, “it would be like a swarm of bees going after a watermelon,” Koziol wrote.
Beeney asked Clemmons how he had replied to this email. Clemmons hesitated a moment before answering, “It was a poorly considered response when I said, ‘Amen, Ed, thank you for your support.’”
| 1009 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:16:08am |
re: #1006 allegro
Not really. It was pitched to moms and wives. Women? Not so much.
The last time I checked moms and wives were women.
| 1010 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:16:17am |
re: #1007 Killgore Trout
Uhhh...you're outragrage is misplaced. It's an absurd article that makes Nolte look like a delusional seething idiot in complete denial of reality. Why does that upset you?
I have no idea. I'm confused. Maybe that's it.
| 1011 |
blueraven Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:16:23am |
re: #1003 Killgore Trout
Looks like the Breitbart crew didn't get the memo. I've been wondering about the fact checking business model. Partisans on both sides hate the fact checkers but can't resist using them as a credible source to slam the other side. MSM outlets, who should be checking their own facts, give the fact checkers lots of mentions. I think the fact checkers have found a nice little niche market. Fact checking really shouldn't be such a rarity but nobody else is doing it.
The factcheckers are not infallible. It is fine to question them. Glenn Kessler, to his credit, actually changed his position on nailing down the precise year that Romney left Bain after many emails from readers and further review of the evidence.
| 1012 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:17:27am |
"Trolling is a form of mental illness." Why doesn't that surprise me? bit.ly/PrMuxU— Roger Ebert (@ebertchicago) August 29, 2012
| 1013 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:17:45am |
re: #1008 Kragar
Author Of South Carolina Voter ID Law Acknowledges Racist Emails
"Poor choice of words" aka "I got busted for sounding like a racist asshole."
| 1014 |
NJDhockeyfan Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:19:17am |
Controlled detonation for WWII bomb found in Munich
A bomb disposal team has detonated an American bomb left over from World War II found in the German city of Munich.
The detonation happened shortly before 22:00 local time (20:00 GMT) in the Schwabing district and was heard across the city, local media report.
There are reports that sparks from the explosion caused the roofs of some neighbouring buildings to catch fire.
The bomb was discovered on Monday night by building workers at the site of an old bar that was being demolished.
...The bomb was described as a highly explosive, a 550lb (250kg) device dropped by the Americans.
| 1015 |
Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:20:51am |
re: #1007 Killgore Trout
Uhhh...you're outragrage is misplaced. It's an absurd article that makes Nolte look like a delusional seething idiot in complete denial of reality. Why does that upset you?
You now say it was an absurd article. But you presented it with a link and zero commentary or personal addition of opinion or information. Given your recent modus operandi and knowledge here that you are quite capable of informed opinion and nuanced presentation it's hard not to view the comment as a deliberable provocation. You're not interested in discussing the contents of the article, but instead just using it to troll.
| 1016 |
Obdicut Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:21:35am |
re: #1003 Killgore Trout
MSM outlets, who should be checking their own facts, give the fact checkers lots of mentions.
Do you still not understand that the fact-checkers, other than FactCheck.org, are MSM outlets too?
| 1017 |
wrenchwench Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:22:31am |
re: #1007 Killgore Trout
Uhhh...you're outragrage is misplaced. It's an absurd article that makes Nolte look like a delusional seething idiot in complete denial of reality. Why does that upset you?
Does that differ from any other Nolte article in some way?
| 1018 |
Gus Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:23:34am |
re: #1007 Killgore Trout
Uhhh...you're outragrage is misplaced. It's an absurd article that makes Nolte look like a delusional seething idiot in complete denial of reality. Why does that upset you?
If that was your intent than you didn't explain yourself very well. Here. This is how an expert would do it:
John "Teachers who take kids to protests without parents' permission should be murdered" Nolte has a tantrum over a tantrum:
WaPo's Glenn Kessler Has Fact-Checking Tantrum Over 'You Didn't Build That'
Glenn Kessler is The Washington Post's laughably biased fact checker, and when you think of Kessler, remember this -- remember the "fact" checker who called Romney a liar for saying a president who didn’t go to Israel didn't go to Israel.
This guy is utterly shameless, and this morning he's having a full-blown tantrum.
...
What the feckless Kessler needs to come to terms with is that the era of his or any biased, Obama-shilling fact checker having any impact on anything is long over.When you start disguising your left-wing opinions as fact and calling people liars for stating a president who didn't go to Israel didn't go to Israel -- no one's going to take you seriously anymore.
And this morning's crybabying isn't doing Kessler's credibility a whole helluva lot of good either.
Rage, little fact-checker, rage.
| 1019 |
engineer cat Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:23:52am |
GOP headliners cast Romney as relatable and decisive
gop headliners worried that nobody can relate to romney and everybody knows he's the biggest weathervane in american politics
| 1020 |
HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:24:14am |
OT but my extended family are awesome people. I was keeping my defibrillator installation on the DL on facebook because I didn't want people to worry and I've got lots of well wishes from cousins today.
| 1021 |
Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:25:50am |
...We apologize to Mitt Romney, his staff, their supporters and anyone who was offended.— Yahoo! News (@YahooNews) August 29, 2012
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sagehen Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:25:51am |
re: #872 dragonfire1981
I'm curious: Is the RNC always held before the DNC? I'm not sure how regulated the timing is but I was curious but it occurred to me that it might have been more strategic for Romney and the GOP to hold their convention AFTER the DNC.
The non-incumbent party is always held before the incumbent party.
| 1023 |
Interesting Times Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:27:30am |
Chris Christie is tired of all the fat jokes: "I'm also a bully and not very good at my job. Why don't you joke about that?"— Top Conservative Cat (@TeaPartyCat) August 29, 2012
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Decatur Deb Wed, Aug 29, 2012 11:35:55am |
| 1026 |
palomino Wed, Aug 29, 2012 12:23:40pm |
re: #991 Killgore Trout
The bipartisan war on facts continues...
WaPo's Glenn Kessler Has Fact-Checking Tantrum Over 'You Didn't Build That'
Whether some writer for WaPo had a tantrum or not is immaterial. What does matter is Romney's lies regarding both welfare waivers (Romney's version of the tried and true southern strategy) and the "you didn't build that" comment.
Linking to Breitbart is weak, you might as well link to Fox Nation, given the tone and substance of the articles and comments. And speaking of shills in the blogoshpere, when did you become one for Romney? You seem to have nothing else to contribute these days.
| 1027 |
Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 29, 2012 12:24:33pm |
re: #1016 Obdicut
Which brings up an interesting point. I can't tell what lean the Tampa paper has (if any) that does politifact by looking at politifact. I read the LATimes as a habit, so I have no opinion on what influence if any the paper has on the politifact office/division, or whatever you want to call it.
If the Tampa paper is having a big influence, I can't see any prominent examples.
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... CheechakoKGxvi
Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
Detroit Local Powers First EV Charging Road in North America The road, about a mile from Local 58's hall, uses rubber-coated copper inductive-charging coils buried under the asphalt that transfer power to a receiver pad attached to a car's underbelly, much like how a phone can be charged wirelessly. ...
Backwoods Sleuth
Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
