2012 GOP Platform: The Tea Party’s Necronomicon

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The Republican Party’s 2012 platform is the most extreme right wing GOP platform in history. Name a radical far right position on almost any issue, and chances are good you’ll find it enshrined in this document — and that includes the “stealth shariah” hallucinations of the crazed anti-Muslim crowd. It’s striking how hard the authors of the platform seem to have worked to obscure the true intent of their policy positions.

It’s the Tea Party’s Necronomicon.

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1 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:22:52pm

David Barton Went 70 for 71 in Shaping the GOP Platform

The extent to which just how thoroughly the Religious Right's agenda dominates the 2012 GOP platform was helpfully exposed last night when David Barton appeared on GBTV to brag that the platform is "the most conservative in my lifetime," revealing that he personally "made 71 motions to add to this platform and 70 of them got passed":

IA IA! BARTON FHTAGN!

2 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:24:01pm

I'm not encouraged that they believe in America, since they also believe that the Earth is 6000 years old, humans and apes are unrelated, climate scientists are socialist shills, prayer stops terrorist bombings, and Jesus opposed the minimum wage.

Their America is a nightmare land out of some dystopian alternate-world novel.

3 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:24:12pm
According to its platform, the Republican Party wants to reinstate Don't Ask Don't Tell, prevent same-sex marriages from being recognized by the federal government, and stop efforts to prevent gays and lesbians from being persecuted in Africa.

Can't imagine why a LGBT person, or those of us who support LGBT persons, would have anything to do with this party.

4 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:26:00pm

The GOP Necronomicon?

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn...

5 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:26:12pm

re: #3 Bulworth

Can't imagine why a LGBT person, or those of us who support LGBT persons, would have anything to do with this party.

Denial, financial self-interest, and another heaping helping of denial.

6 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:26:45pm

Also, too: that's some severely red background in the document.

7 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:28:08pm

re: #4 celticdragon

The GOP Necronomicon?

ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn...

The Great Old Ones have asked not to have their names associated with the beliefs of the GOP. They have standards.

8 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:28:19pm
Name a radical far right position on almost any issue, and chances are good you’ll find it enshrined in this insane document — and that includes the “stealth shariah” hallucinations of the crazed anti-Muslim crowd.

Where's that? I searched the document for "sharia" and didn't find anything. One mention on God, one mention of Religion, no results for Christian. Did I miss it?

9 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:28:54pm

Here's the link. Kinda surprised Reddit doesn't have the server resources to handle this.

10 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:29:43pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Where's that? I searched the document for "sharia" and didn't find anything. One mention on God, one mention of Religion, no results for Christian. Did I miss it?

Subjecting American citizens to foreign laws isinimical to the spirit of the Constitution. It is one rea-son we oppose U.S. participation in the InternationalCriminal Court. There must be no use of foreign law by U.S. courts in interpreting our Constitution andlaws. Nor should foreign sources of law be used inState courts’ adjudication of criminal or civil matters

11 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:29:54pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Where's that? I searched the document for "sharia" and didn't find anything. One mention on God, one mention of Religion, no results for Christian. Did I miss it?

I think it's couched in some language about 'religious law' not serving as guidance or interpretation for American jurisprudence. It's obviously about Sharia, though.

(and drat, too slow.)

12 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:30:00pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Where's that? I searched the document for "sharia" and didn't find anything. One mention on God, one mention of Religion, no results for Christian. Did I miss it?

Check for foreign laws and texts.

13 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:30:18pm

One of the most disturbing phenomena of this age is the extent to which utterly atavistic and barbarous superstitions, like young Earth creationism, can exist and flourish among people whose lifestyle, and lives themselves, are completely dependent on modern devices and discoveries.
These people take their over-powered SUVs and hyper-electrified suburban homes for granted, yet they have no use for, of knowledge of, the scientific enterprise. It is possible that they literally see these devices as magical, handed down by a higher power, and therefore not to be questioned or understood by mere humans.

14 jaunte  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:30:29pm
9) Reconsider the gold standard. “Determined to crush the double-digit inflation that was part of the Carter Administration’s economic legacy, President Reagan, shortly after his inauguration, established a commission to consider the feasibility of a metallic basis for U.S. currency. The commission advised against such a move. Now, three decades later, as we face the task of cleaning up the wreckage of the current Administration’s policies, we propose a similar commission to investigate possible ways to set a fixed value for the dollar.”

These nutbags are determined to find some way to crash the economy again.

15 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:30:54pm

Lidane will be disappointed, I can't find mention of goldbuggery. But they did manage to work auditing the Fed into there.

Edit: Scratch that.

16 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:31:02pm

re: #11 erik_t

I think it's couched in some language about 'religious law' not serving as guidance or interpretation for American jurisprudence. It's obviously about Sharia, though.

Technically, their wording means we need to toss out any law influenced or based on the Bible as it is a foreign source.

17 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:31:20pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel

One of the most disturbing phenomena of this age is the extent to which utterly atavistic and barbarous superstitions, like young Earth creationism, can exist and flourish among people whose lifestyle, and lives themselves, are completely dependent on modern devices and discoveries.
These people take their over-powered SUVs and hyper-electrified suburban homes for granted, yet they have no use for, of knowledge of, the scientific enterprise. It is possible that they literally see these devices as magical, handed down by a higher power, and therefore not to be questioned or understood by mere humans.

You get baptised and then God sends you a microwave?
O_o

18 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:31:26pm

re: #14 jaunte

If gold has fixed and unchanging value, why does Glenn Beck encourage you to invest in it?

Christ almighty these people are morons.

19 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:31:50pm

re: #16 Kragar

Technically, their wording means we need to toss out any law influenced or based on the Bible as it is a foreign source.

NOPE! UNTRUE. TOTALLY UNTRUE. BECAUSE SHUT UP, THAT'S WHY.

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:32:09pm

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Where's that? I searched the document for "sharia" and didn't find anything. One mention on God, one mention of Religion, no results for Christian. Did I miss it?

Under "American Sovereignty in U.S. Courts:"

Subjecting American citizens to foreign laws is inimical to the spirit of the Constitution. It is one reason we oppose U.S. participation in the International Criminal Court. There must be no use of foreign law by U.S. courts in interpreting our Constitution and laws. Nor should foreign sources of law be used in State courts’ adjudication of criminal or civil matters.

21 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:33:20pm

re: #10 Targetpractice

Subjecting American citizens to foreign laws isinimical to the spirit of the Constitution. It is one rea-son we oppose U.S. participation in the InternationalCriminal Court. There must be no use of foreign law by U.S. courts in interpreting our Constitution andlaws. Nor should foreign sources of law be used inState courts’ adjudication of criminal or civil matters

Ah thanks. Found it now.

22 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:33:32pm

Finding items like "creeping sharia" is complicated by the need to search for the code words being used these days, in this case "foreign law."

23 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:34:15pm

In his hotel room in T'ampa dread Barton waits grinning.

24 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:34:34pm

re: #17 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

You get baptised and then God sends you a microwave?
O_o

As far as I can tell, that's what they believe. They know of course that undeserving "others" also have these devices, but only because they take advantage of the generosity and kindness of the "elect" and not because they get anything directly from God.

25 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:34:56pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

Finding items like "creeping sharia" is complicated by the need to search for the code words being used these days, in this case "foreign law."

Code words are the order of the day, but English should be enshrined as our one and only official language.

Delicious doublethink is the order of the day.

26 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:35:01pm

I am equal parts surprised and disappointed that the platform doesn't contain a condemnation of the international Communist Muslim conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids via fluoridation of water.

27 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:35:19pm

re: #22 Targetpractice

Finding items like "creeping sharia" is complicated by the need to search for the code words being used these days, in this case "foreign law."

They work hard to obscure the real intent of their policy positions.

28 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:35:34pm

American Exceptionalism! That was actually one of the subgroups of the platform committee, which had its own co-chairs.

29 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:35:54pm

re: #23 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

In his hotel room in T'ampa dread Barton waits grinning.

The War on Euclidian Geometry starts tomorrow.

30 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:36:01pm

GOOOOLLLDDD!

Determined to crush the double-digit inflation that was part of the Carter Administration’s economic legacy, President Reagan, shortly after his inauguration, established a commission to consider the feasibility of a metallic basis for U.S. currency. The commission advised against such a move. Now, three decades later, as we face the task of cleaning up the wreckage of the current Administration’s policies, we propose a similar commission to investigate possible ways to set a fixed value for the dollar.

31 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:36:02pm

A couple of the oddest parts in the WaPo item aren't so strange. The plank to protect the Electoral college goes back to some politicians (on both sides of the aisle) looking to abolish the EC and using direct election by popular vote.

That would have had the effect of giving Gore the win in 2000 over Bush. But it wouldn't have overturned the results of other elections going back to Harrison and Hayes. Full breakdown here.

The DC was not meant to be a state as it was carved out from VA and MD. That was the Founding intention, so there's a legitimate historical reason to not grant it statehood. Should that change now? Should they have a vote and say in national politics - with 2 Senators and a member of the House? The GOP would never want to shift the balance of power when those Congressmen would likely be Democrats - giving Democrats a better chance of controlling the Senate. Odd that they'd give Puerto Rico statehood though, for similar reasons since Puerto Rico would like vote Democratic and bring 2 Senators and 5 Reps.

The Gold standard is straight from the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck insanity wing.

Interesting that the first part of the energy policy goes to coal, which is a sop to the coal producing states that are seeing losses due to fracking and natural gas prices being low at present.

Then there's a bit of cognitive dissonance on environmental policy:

The environment is getting cleaner and health-ier. The nation’s air and waterways, as a whole, aremuch healthier than they were just a few decades ago. Efforts to reduce pollution, encourage re-cycling, educate the public, and avoid ecological degradation have been a success. To ensure their continued support by the American people, however, we need a dramatic change in theattitude of officials in Washington, a shift from a job-killing punitive mentality to a spirit of cooperation with producers, landowners, and the public. An important factor is full trans-parency in development of the data and modeling that drive regulations. Legislation to restore the authority of States in environmental protection is essential. We encourage the use of agricultural best management practices among the States to reduce pollution

On the one hand, they're touting the benefits of environmental regulation, but then they call for gutting it - particularly by giving regulatory authority to states that have shown an unwillingness to do what needs to be done to clean up problems in their states.

32 simoom  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:36:20pm

re: #9 Charles Johnson

Yeah, not sure how you answer your AMA questions in a timely fashion when the site is melting down. :P

33 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:36:36pm

Live AMA on reddit with President Obama right now for anyone interested.

[Link: www.reddit.com...]

34 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:37:52pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel
re: #27 Charles Johnson

I swear it seems they really oppose sharia because it does not go far enough.

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:38:09pm

Ah, I guess the nutbars on the committee had a sense of humor:

We encourage the cost-effective development of renewable energy, but the taxpayers should not serve as venture capitalists for risky endeavors. It is important to create a pathway toward a market-based approach for renewable energy sources and to aggressively develop alternative sources for electricity generation such as wind, hydro, solar, biomass, geothermal, and tidal energy. Partnerships between traditional energy industries and emerging renewable industries can be a central component in meeting the nation’s long-term needs. Alternative forms of energy are part of our action agenda to power the homes and workplaces of the nation.

36 Petero1818  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:38:46pm

re: #21 Killgore Trout

Ah thanks. Found it now.

Which is really odd, as Shariah law would not be considered "foreign" law. The laws of Saudi Arabia which are based on Shariah concepts would of course be "foreign" law. What is more interesting is that they meant to call Shariah law foreign, which to be constitutional would likely imply that all religious codes of law are foreign. I am not sure these folks intended to exclude the influence of the Judeo Christian tradition, but for this to apply to Shariah it would have to apply to the Ten Commandments too.

37 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:38:56pm

Chris Christie eats the poodle in a tinfoil hat.

Image: 547098_10151212863821081_893604191_n.jpg

38 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:39:22pm

re: #30 Kragar

GOOOOLLLDDD!

It's quite explicitly a rejection of Reagan's ideas as insufficiently conservative reactionary.

39 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:39:46pm
To ensure their continued support by the American people, however, we need a dramatic change in theattitude of officials in Washington, a shift from a job-killing punitive mentality to a spirit of cooperation with producers, landowners, and the public.

So, what we're doing to reduce pollution and make the environment better is working, which is why DRAMATIC CHANGES in attitude and policies are needed to ensure we can continue to do what we're doing to reduce pollution and make the environment better, which is working. OK. /

40 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:40:25pm

re: #30 Kragar

GOOOOLLLDDD!

The only way to avoid basically turning the dollar into a joke by moving to the gold standard would be to set the price of gold such that the current US reserves could cover all expenditures. And the moment that anybody proposes that in Congress, the goldbugs are gonna flip their fucking lids.

41 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:40:33pm

re: #31 lawhawk

A couple of the oddest parts in the WaPo item aren't so strange. The plank to protect the Electoral college goes back to some politicians (on both sides of the aisle) looking to abolish the EC and using direct election by popular vote.

That would have had the effect of giving Gore the win in 2000 over Bush. But it wouldn't have overturned the results of other elections going back to Harrison and Hayes. Full breakdown here.

The DC was not meant to be a state as it was carved out from VA and MD. That was the Founding intention, so there's a legitimate historical reason to not grant it statehood. Should that change now? Should they have a vote and say in national politics - with 2 Senators and a member of the House? The GOP would never want to shift the balance of power when those Congressmen would likely be Democrats - giving Democrats a better chance of controlling the Senate. Odd that they'd give Puerto Rico statehood though, for similar reasons since Puerto Rico would like vote Democratic and bring 2 Senators and 5 Reps.

The Gold standard is straight from the Ron Paul/Glenn Beck insanity wing.

Interesting that the first part of the energy policy goes to coal, which is a sop to the coal producing states that are seeing losses due to fracking and natural gas prices being low at present.

Then there's a bit of cognitive dissonance on environmental policy:


On the one hand, they're touting the benefits of environmental regulation, but then they call for gutting it - particularly by giving regulatory authority to states that have shown an unwillingness to do what needs to be done to clean up problems in their states.

They like sending stuff to the state level since it is much easier to buy influence there. Plus it is also easier to get a state to dump its environmental issues on another state by building a taller stack, a longer pipe, or having that outlet right before the river crosses the state line. Then the whole legal wrangles get nastier since you can fight over venues, judges, etc. etc. And then it gets appealed to a Federal court anyways...

42 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:41:23pm
43 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:41:40pm

Confirming what we already know: it will be all race card all the time for Romney Campaign

44 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:41:47pm
A Sacred Contract: Defense of Marriage

That is why Congressional Republicans took the lead in enacting the Defense of Marriage Act, affirming the right of States and the federal government not to recognize same-sex relationships licensed in other
jurisdictions. The current Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle—in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base,
and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts— makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.

Translation: We support State's rights as long as they agree with us. If they don't, the Federal government needs to crack down and force them to comply

45 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:42:37pm

re: #43 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Confirming what we already know: it will be all race card all the time for Romney Campaign

Every day is Memorial Day in the Romney Campaign.

46 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:42:44pm
47 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:43:11pm
The current Administration’s open defiance of this constitutional principle—in its handling of immigration cases, in federal personnel benefits, in allowing a same-sex marriage at a military base, and in refusing to defend DOMA in the courts— makes a mockery of the President’s inaugural oath.

Smells like Impeachment! Coming your way as soon as RomneyRyan loses.

48 GunstarGreen  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:44:01pm

re: #3 Bulworth

Can't imagine why a LGBT person, or those of us who support LGBT persons, would have anything to do with this party.

For the same reason that people who are inline to be screwed by the GOP's fiscal policy in favor of funneling money to the ultra-wealthy support the party: delusions that, one day soon, they too will be an ultra-wealthy ubermensch to whom the rules do not apply.

49 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:45:09pm

re: #44 Kragar

Translation: We support State's rights as long as they agree with us. If they don't, the Federal government needs to crack down and force them to comply

What these jackholes are basically arguing is that Full Faith And Credit no longer applies so long as the issue is gay marriage.

50 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:46:00pm

re: #13 Shiplord Kirel

One of the most disturbing phenomena of this age is the extent to which utterly atavistic and barbarous superstitions, like young Earth creationism, can exist and flourish among people whose lifestyle, and lives themselves, are completely dependent on modern devices and discoveries.
These people take their over-powered SUVs and hyper-electrified suburban homes for granted, yet they have no use for, of knowledge of, the scientific enterprise. It is possible that they literally see these devices as magical, handed down by a higher power, and therefore not to be questioned or understood by mere humans.

Maybe so. You sure could be right.
But I happen to think it's a little more craven than ignorant or superstitious. They know what engineers and mechanics and technicians are, what they do and that they are all about the works of man. But when it comes to what they will say, or vote look out. I even think most of the birthers do that thing with a inner knowledge to the contrary. They think they see a way to hurt Obama and they take it every time.

51 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:47:59pm

[Link: usnews.nbcnews.com...]

Coincidence?

Though I also wonder whether during non-political season if this would get reported beyond the locality.

52 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:48:29pm

re: #50 Daniel Ballard

I even think most of the birthers do that thing with a inner knowledge to the contrary. They think they see a way to hurt Obama and they take it every time.

You say that like it's an improvement.

53 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:48:50pm
54 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:48:54pm

AFA's Buster Wilson Wonders if the Government will Imprison People in Concentration Camps

Responding to a caller who warned that FEMA was preparing the nefarious plot, Wilson said that he heard “you can literally go right there and see them.”

“I’ve seen pictures of what have been reported to be these FEMA camps,” Wilson claimed, “one of the most disturbing aspects about it to me is the plastic, almost-rubber made type containers stacked up by the thousands that they say are for mass graves for burying four bodies at a time.”

He said “I couldn’t tell you if indeed it is true” but “if there was a shadow federal government that was going to do something like that, FEMA would be the federal agency they would probably do it through.” Wilson concluded by calling on people to join Oath Keepers, the extremist group he belongs to that also promotes the concentration camp conspiracy theory.

55 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:49:01pm

Listening to Martin Bashir destroy Stephen Baldwin is pure awesome.

56 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:49:48pm

re: #51 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Donkey attacks are clearly a false-flag librul operation.

57 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:50:49pm

re: #53 darthstar

[Embedded content]

SRQL (Structured Romneybot Query Language)?

58 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:50:57pm

re: #54 Kragar

AFA's Buster Wilson Wonders if the Government will Imprison People in Concentration Camps

"I couldn’t tell you if indeed it is true... but if there was a shadow federal government that was going to do something like that, FEMA would be the federal agency they would probably do it through"

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

59 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:50:59pm

re: #50 Daniel Ballard

Maybe so. You sure could be right.
But I happen to think it's a little more craven than ignorant or superstitious. They know what engineers and mechanics and technicians are, what they do and that they are all about the works of man. But when it comes to what they will say, or vote look out. I even think most of the birthers do that thing with a inner knowledge to the contrary. They think they see a way to hurt Obama and they take it every time.

Agreed. This stuff is just window dressing and taking points. Probably not much of a reflection of any actual intentions. It seems that neither side this time is trying to advance anything of substance. I expected as much from Republicans but Obama doesn't seem to be hinting at anything about what his second term might involve. I do hope he has some ideas and plans and just isn't talking about them.

60 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:52:41pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

Agreed. This stuff is just window dressing and taking points. Probably not much of a reflection of any actual intentions. It seems that neither side this time is trying to advance anything of substance. I expected as much from Republicans but Obama doesn't seem to be hinting at anything about what his second term might involve. I do hope he has some ideas and plans and just isn't talking about them.

As soon as he is reelected he's going to declare an OWS statutory holiday.

61 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:53:15pm

re: #58 erik_t

It would be irresponsible not to speculate.

Buster most likely bangs cattle. I don't know if that is true, but if anyone is banging cattle, Buster is the man who would do it.

62 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:53:41pm

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I, too, am concerned that Obama will be as opaque and issue-non-specific as Romney.

/

63 jaunte  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:54:21pm

re: #54 Kragar

AFA's Buster Wilson Wonders if the Government will Imprison People in Concentration Camps

Wait till he sees all the steel containers being shipped in to the ports that can hold 30 or 40 people apiece.

64 Destro  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:54:21pm

Is the GOP platform of 2012 designed to bring about the apocalypse?

65 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:55:34pm

re: #60 b_sharp

As soon as he is reelected he's going to declare an OWS statutory holiday.

I'd like to see him decriminalize pot but I'm not sure he can get that done with an executive order. Nothing's going to get through congress. Maybe there's nothing he can do.

66 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:55:46pm

re: #64 Destro

Is the GOP platform of 2012 designed to bring about the apocalypse?

Youtube Video
67 andres  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:55:58pm

re: #31 lawhawk

[...] Odd that they'd give Puerto Rico statehood though, for similar reasons since Puerto Rico would like vote Democratic and bring 2 Senators and 5 Reps.

The current governor of Puerto Rico is a Republican-leaning one. Maybe it's a bone aimed at him for all his help, especially since this election in PR has yet another Status Referendum.

68 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:56:06pm

re: #64 Destro

Is the GOP platform of 2012 designed to bring about the apocalypse?

I'm hoping for at least the rapture. That would lean out the creationist herd somewhat.

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:56:40pm

I'd like to see someone talk about seriously tackling the issues that caused the financial crisis but nobody seems interested in that anymore.

70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 1:56:52pm

re: #68 b_sharp

I'm hoping for at least the rapture. That would lean out the creationist herd somewhat.

actually i bet the majority of them would be left behind which would suck.

71 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:00:04pm

re: #55 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Listening to Martin Bashir destroy Stephen Baldwin is pure awesome.

The Doctor from Deep Space 9 destroying McManus? UNPOSSIBLE!!!1!!

/

72 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:00:07pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see someone talk about seriously tackling the issues that caused the financial crisis but nobody seems interested in that anymore.

the obvious starting point would be to re-instate glass-steagall, but bank money in washington is too powerful for that to even be proposed

73 steve_davis  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:00:46pm

Necronomicon and 2012 Republican Party Platform--one of them's a fictitious collection of pablum and diagrams mostly designed by a collection of drunk authors who have built an entire cottage industry out of a mythological assemblage of nonsense, and the other provides royalty checks for Lord R'lyeh.

74 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:01:08pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see someone talk about seriously tackling the issues that caused the financial crisis but nobody seems interested in that anymore.

The Democrats have, they even passed legislation, you might remember Dodd-Frank. The Republican response since 2010 has been to stall implementation of it while biding their time in the hopes that 2013 would bring in a GOP presidency that would finally allow them to repeal it in toto.

75 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:01:10pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see someone talk about seriously tackling the issues that caused the financial crisis but nobody seems interested in that anymore.

Because that was 4 years ago and the American voters only have an attention span of 30 seconds.

76 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:01:34pm

re: #72 engineer cat

the obvious starting point would be to re-instate glass-steagall, but bank money in washington is too powerful for that to even be proposed

Same with increasing taxes or modifying existing tax-breaks and subsidies.

77 b_sharp  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:01:39pm

re: #70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

actually i bet the majority of them would be left behind which would suck.

Shhh. You're ruining my fantasy life.

78 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:02:01pm

re: #72 engineer cat

the obvious starting point would be to re-instate glass-steagall, but bank money in washington is too powerful for that to even be proposed

I'm pretty sure it was already proposed but I don't think it went anywhere. I have no idea if the legislation is still alive or if it's been shelved.

79 Lidane  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:02:32pm

re: #54 Kragar

AFA's Buster Wilson Wonders if the Government will Imprison People in Concentration Camps

Alex Jones called. He wants royalties for copying his idiocy.

80 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:04:55pm

They may be crazy, and their proposals are full of shit, but these nutjobs are winning elections. Filling school boards and congressional halls. The overton window has shifted so far a conservative health care program is being derided as a leftist takeover of the country. Progressives have to defend a plan developed by the Heritage foundation, as conservatives explore new (or usually, old) areas of wingnuttia to shove down our throat.

81 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:05:48pm

re: #78 Killgore Trout

I'm pretty sure it was already proposed but I don't think it went anywhere. I have no idea if the legislation is still alive or if it's been shelved.

keep in mind that the current as well as the last administration have many former employees of goldman sachs onboard

the repeal of glass-steagall is the change that is cited the most often as the major factor leading to the collapse, yet because of the hold that the banking industry has on both parties they just laugh off efforts to reinstate controls

82 Bulworth  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:06:49pm

re: #54 Kragar

AFA's Buster Wilson Wonders if the Government will Imprison People in Concentration Camps

I had to click the link to make sure this wasn't from the fevered days of 2009. Turns out everything that's new is old.

83 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:08:46pm

Speaking tonight at the RNC: Mike Huckabee

Now here is a fun little fact about Mike.

Mike Huckabee Pushed for Parole of Rapist Who Then Killed Two Women

It’s incredible to think that any politician, particularly a member of the tough-on-crime GOP, could survive it, let alone come to be seen by many as the conscience of the party. Remember this when you watch him address the cheering RNC crowd tonight.

Despite Dumond’s previous run-ins with the law – he was charged with bludgeoning a man to death but the charge was dropped, he was questioned on suspicion of rape and assault, and he pled guilty to assault in a separate case – and the testimony of two women who said they had been raped by him, Huckabee pushed ahead. He even considered outright clemency but pulled back in the face of public opposition. He instead worked behind the scenes to pressure the parole board to release Dumond.

I’ve pulled key headlines and excerpts from five years’ of coverage by the AP and organized them here in chronological order. I’m not sure how anyone could read through the clips and not come away questioning Huckabee’s judgment and character:

84 blueraven  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:08:57pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Well it aint perfect by no means but Dodd Frank was passed. The Republicans want to repeal it.
The consumer protection agency was created but the republicans will block any director from being confirmed.

85 Lidane  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:09:06pm

re: #80 Amory Blaine

They may be crazy, and their proposals are full of shit, but these nutjobs are winning elections.

True. And it's because a bunch of people stupidly cling to the delusion that it's only a fringe element of the GOP that's crazy, or that other people are voting for the nutjobs, but they're voting for the "reasonable" choice.

Bottom line-- if you disagree with ANY of what's in this platform and you think it goes too far or that it's Wingnut Central, and you still keep voting for people with an (R) after their name, you're a big part of the problem. STOP VOTING FOR THESE PEOPLE. Stop putting your party over your country. Just stop.

It took the Democrats a national humiliation in 1984 to finally jettison the crazies on the far left and become a more pragmatic party. The GOP needs a similar electoral enema to finally get the nutjobs out.

86 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:09:45pm

re: #52 erik_t

You say that like it's an improvement.

I didn't mean it to sound like that. I'll try to put this better.
I mean to say that it is more deliberate deception than magical thinking. In important ways that's worse not better.

There are liars that knowingly lie for advantage. that's these people. There are liars that lie to themselves, and think that is the truth to speak to others. I mean it's the first kind not the second.

87 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:10:06pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see someone talk about seriously tackling the issues that caused the financial crisis but nobody seems interested in that anymore.

There's some response to those issues, but they miss the mark badly. Wells Fargo Fires Iowa Worker for Minor 1963 Crime Excerpt:

Richard Eggers, 68, was fired in July from his job as a customer service representative for putting a cardboard cutout of a dime in a washing machine nearly 50 years ago in Carlisle, the Des Moines Register reported Monday.

Warren County court records show Eggers was convicted of operating a coin-changing machine by false means. Eggers called it a "stupid stunt," but questions his firing.

Big banks have been firing low-level employees like Eggers since new federal banking employment guidelines were enacted in May 2011 and new mortgage employment guidelines took hold in February, the newspaper said. The tougher standards are meant to clear out executives and mid-level bank employees guilty of transactional crimes — such as identity theft and money laundering — but are being applied across the board because of possible fines for noncompliance.

88 blueraven  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:13:40pm

re: #87 abolitionist

There's some response to those issues, but they miss the mark badly. Wells Fargo Fires Iowa Worker for Minor 1963 Crime Excerpt:

That is the bank being pure assholes.

89 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:19:09pm

Hey I just got yet another call from a Paulian gold bug. I get a couple a week. This happens because I work for a gold refinery and do the front/PR/Sales work. It's been interesting talking gold/barter through. Practical things like making change. (Answer-That's what silver coins are for) But it's a mythology make no mistake.

90 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:20:09pm

re: #89 Daniel Ballard

You must have the diaphragm tone of a circus strong-man.

91 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:20:19pm

re: #89 Daniel Ballard

Hey I just got yet another call from a Paulian gold bug. I get a couple a week. This happens because I work for a gold refinery and do the front/PR/Sales work. It's been interesting talking gold/barter through. Practical things like making change. (Answer-That's what silver coins are for) But it's a mythology make no mistake.

Did you tell'em that pieces of eight are making a comeback?

/

92 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:24:03pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

I'd like to see someone talk about seriously tackling the issues that caused the financial crisis but nobody seems interested in that anymore.

That seemed to go by the wayside once Nixon was seen sweating during the 1960 debate with Kennedy

Since then it seems as if looks, voice, off-the-cuff remarks, catchy slogans and GOTCHYA journalism holds the day

93 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:25:35pm

re: #92 sattv4u2

That seemed to go by the wayside once Nixon was seen sweating during the 1960 debate with Kennedy

Since then it seems as if looks, voice, off-the-cuff remarks, catchy slogans and GOTCHYA journalism holds the day

(talking issues, that is)

94 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:28:06pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

LOL. Looking at what is in Ft Knox, and the M1 money supply I think gold would be about a half million dollars and ounce! If I could sell to these people my conversation would be more restricted, i.e. make the sale and shut up. But I can not deal with the general public, so I can be a candid as I wish, short of pushing buttons.

Edit-
Just re ran the number- $13,600 per ounce. So a small wedding ring would cost $2000 or more just in material.

95 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:28:20pm

GOP Platform Lies About Abstinence Education’s Effectiveness

We renew our call for replacing “family planning” programs for teens with abstinence education which teaches abstinence until marriage as the responsible and respected standard of behavior. Abstinence from sexual activity is the only protection that is 100 percent effective against out-of-wedlock pregnancies and sexually-transmitted diseases including HIV/AIDS when transmitted sexually. It is effective, science-based, and empowers teens to achieve optimal health outcomes and avoid risks of sexual activity. We oppose school-based clinics that provide referrals, counseling, and related services for abortion and contraception.

96 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:29:43pm

re: #95 Kragar

GOP Platform Lies About Abstinence Education’s Effectiveness

There goes Friday Night School Dances and under-the-bleacher rendevous!

97 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:30:32pm

re: #95 Kragar

In other news, Jesus rode a velociraptor to the temple.

99 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:32:43pm

re: #89 Daniel Ballard

Don't forget to remind them that the Austrians still mint the Maria Theresa 1780 dated silver Thalers (pretty coin actually) so they need to buy up lots of them for change.

I should get one to go with the 1880 Morgan Dollar I carry with me every day.

100 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:34:00pm

I started reading the "Job Creation Tax Plan" section but was interrupted by a sudden onset of projectile vomiting.

101 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:34:08pm

re: #95 Kragar

GOP Platform Lies About Abstinence Education’s Effectiveness

Technically correct: the best kind of correct!

(actual abstinence is 100% effective, abstinence education promotes abstinence, but....)

102 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:35:47pm

re: #101 erik_t

Technically correct: the best kind of correct!

(abstinence is 100% effective, abstinence education promotes abstinence, but....)

Abstinence is 100% effective.
Abstinence education is probably damn near close to 0% effective.

103 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:35:59pm

re: #101 erik_t

Technically correct: the best kind of correct!

(abstinence is 100% effective, abstinence education promotes abstinence, but....)

Driver safety classes should encourage students to walk.

104 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:43:26pm
105 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:44:42pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Silver coins are often just beautiful. I have personally overseen the smelting of tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands in 20 years) and it always makes me cringe a little. Heck this week we did over 1000 toz of them.

IMO the most beautiful coin in existence today is the American Platinum Eagle. the die is utterly flawless, the design inspired elegance. I photographed one that was a little roughly handled. The background was flat not shiny by design, letting the rest really shine.

American Eagle 1Toz Platinum

106 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:44:58pm

re: #104 Charles Johnson

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Maybe someone thought she was a witch.

107 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:45:01pm

The GOP thinks abstinence education is "science-based," but climate science is a plot to trick the entire world into becoming commies.

108 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:45:09pm

re: #89 Daniel Ballard

Hey I just got yet another call from a Paulian gold bug. I get a couple a week. This happens because I work for a gold refinery and do the front/PR/Sales work. It's been interesting talking gold/barter through. Practical things like making change. (Answer-That's what silver coins are for) But it's a mythology make no mistake.

One of the chief complaints during the Revolutionary War was the lack of "hard" (metal) money. Paper money printed by banks wasn't considered as good.

However, just looking at amounts, if we didn't have enough for Colonial America, how can we have enough now?

109 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:45:36pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

The GOP thinks abstinence education is "science-based," but climate science is a plot to trick the entire world into becoming commies.

Ding ding.

110 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:45:46pm

re: #107 Charles Johnson

The GOP thinks abstinence education is "science-based," but climate science is a plot to trick the entire world into becoming commies.

Funny I thought sexual reproduction was science based as well...

111 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:46:45pm

Is it just me or does Ann Romney make her husband sound more unlikable? "Get over your biases." Sorry ma'am, I've seen your party in action and if you want to just say I'm being biased then you and your husband don't deserve mine or anyone's vote if you think that "bias" is the only reason why people don't like your husband and his party.

112 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:47:03pm

re: #110 dragonfire1981

Well you need science to understand it but doing it not so much.
// JK

113 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:47:05pm

re: #110 dragonfire1981

Funny I thought sexual reproduction was science based as well...

God said to be fruitful and multiply, plus he gave us complete control of the Earth.

SCIENCE!!!

114 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:47:44pm

re: #108 Mostly sane, most of the time.

BECAUSE RON PAUL! FREEDOM! USA!

115 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:48:39pm

The GOP approach to Science: "There be Dragons here!"

116 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:48:51pm
"lift up the middle class"

They talk about being frugal, then in the next sentence they mention that they want to prop up a broad swath of people.

117 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:49:20pm

re: #110 dragonfire1981

Funny I thought sexual reproduction was science based as well...

Wrong. Sexual reproduction has been around for at least 6000 years. /

118 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:50:45pm
" We applaud the citizens of the majority of States which have enshrined in their constitutions the traditional concept of marriage, and we support the campaigns underway in several other States to do so"

...because that's what small Government is all about!

119 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:51:11pm

re: #99 William Barnett-Lewis

Don't forget to remind them that the Austrians still mint the Maria Theresa 1780 dated silver Thalers (pretty coin actually) so they need to buy up lots of them for change.

I should get one to go with the 1880 Morgan Dollar I carry with me every day.

i have a 1925 peace dollar i keep in my change pocket

i just carry it because i like having it, but people insist i must be carrying it for "good luck"

120 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:51:57pm

re: #103 Kragar

Driver safety classes should encourage students to walk.

Instant classic. +100

121 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:52:18pm

re: #105 Daniel Ballard

That _is_ pretty. I like the Peace Dollar and Walking Liberty Half Dollar too.

122 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:52:23pm

re: #118 ReamWorks SKG

...because that's what small Government is all about!

We support State's rights to ban gay marriage and a Constitutional Amendment to make sure the sinners fall in line.
/

123 erik_t  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:52:24pm

re: #105 Daniel Ballard

IMO the most beautiful coin in existence

Counter-point.

124 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:53:11pm

re: #119 engineer cat

i have a 1925 peace dollar i keep in my change pocket

i just carry it because i like having it, but people insist i must be carrying it for "good luck"

that makes two silver things from 1925 i have right now, since i have been really enjoying the 1925 buescher tru-tone silver plated soprano sax i bought on th' ebay

i'm just one of those people who tends to live in former eras, like the 1920s or sometimes the 1840s...

125 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:55:30pm

re: #123 erik_t

Counter-point.

no no, the peace dollar is the most beautiful american coin

reverse

126 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:55:40pm

I would love for some inclined person to sit down and ask Mitt Romney some detailed questions about the items in this platform. It is, after all, what he is running on in his attempt to win the Presidency.

I'd consider it lucky if he could accurately name half of what it contains.

127 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:56:34pm
"The symbol of our constitutional unity, to which we all pledge allegiance, is the flag of the UnitedStates of America. By whatever legislative method ismost feasible, Old Glory should be given legal protec-tion against desecration"

Really? They're still behind the Flag Desecration amendment? Guess the USPS can't cancel stamps anymore.

And I'll go to jail for eating this cake:

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128 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:57:10pm

re: #126 dragonfire1981

I would love for some inclined person to sit down and ask Mitt Romney some detailed questions about the items in this platform. It is, after all, what he is running on in his attempt to win the Presidency.

I'd consider it lucky if he could accurately name half of what it contains.

Priebus: GOP platform 'not the platform of Mitt Romney'

The official platform language poised for approval at next week's Republican National Convention doesn't fully represent the party's presumptive presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, RNC Chairman Reince Priebus said Tuesday.

129 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:57:16pm

Speaking of crazy...Fox cancelled Palin's appearances during the convention, and she's not happy about it.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

130 dragonfire1981  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:57:21pm

re: #127 ReamWorks SKG

Really? They're still behind the Flag Desecration amendment? Guess the USPS can't cancel stamps anymore.

And I'll go to jail for eating this cake:

Image: 181719763_0709b6131c_z.jpg

That might almost be worth going to jail for, that looks like a really yummy cake!

131 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:57:58pm

re: #130 dragonfire1981

Just because you're Canadian doesn't mean you should want to desecrate our delicious flag!

132 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:58:01pm

re: #123 erik_t

Counter-point.

It's a decent design, but you have to see it in one of the silver proofs they sell as commemorative to really appreciate it. Even then, the the eagle on the back of the Saint-Gaudens double eagle, especially the early high relief version, was better.

133 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:59:25pm

re: #126 dragonfire1981

agreements to do future interviews will only be made if the interviewer agrees to not ask any questions about the platform.

134 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 2:59:56pm

re: #133 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

agreements to do future interviews will only be made if the interviewer agrees to not ask any questions about the platform.

OFF THE TABLE!

135 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:00:09pm

re: #128 Kragar

Priebus: GOP platform 'not the platform of Mitt Romney'

Which, of course, leads us to one of two conclusions: That either nothing Romney says matters because what's in the platform is what the GOP is running or that the platform is not worth the paper it's written upon because Mitt Romney's views are what the party is running on.

136 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:00:11pm

I see on my FB page that Pacific University in Forest Grove, Oregon is in lockdown, or at least the health center is.

Hunh.

Probably I'll never know what it is, I just happen to have a friend out there right now.

137 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:00:38pm

re: #125 engineer cat

re: #121 William Barnett-Lewis

Always been partial to the Buffalo Nickle

Been saving them when I come across one since I was a kid

[Link: coins.thefuntimesguide.com...]

138 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:01:16pm

re: #133 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

agreements to do future interviews will only be made if the interviewer agrees to not ask any questions about the platform.

Questions about David Barton would have to be off-limits too, I'd guess.

139 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:01:37pm

Why Mitt Romney stands a chance in November.

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140 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:04:17pm

re: #139 darthstar

Why Mitt Romney stands a chance in November.

Image: 603386_515195855172513_728193347_n.jpg

Lamebook?

141 bratwurst  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:04:34pm

Who says the GOP isn't a big tent? Jonathan Capehart met a black Mormon birther Ron Paul delegate!

142 Gus  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:04:47pm

Some homes under water in Louisiana. Others are blown away. The ones underwater are in Braithwaite LA. Elevation is 0 feet as in right at sea level. Still not good enough. Of course we'll waste money by rebuilding these homes here.

143 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:05:16pm

re: #135 Targetpractice

Which, of course, leads us to one of two conclusions: That either nothing Romney says matters because what's in the platform is what the GOP is running or that the platform is not worth the paper it's written upon because Mitt Romney's views are what the party is running on.

False dichotomy.

144 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:05:30pm

A woman’s life is a human life: a theological error in the GOP platform?

“God created human beings in God’s image…male and female God created them.” (Genesis: 1:27) According to the Bible, women are created fully equal in the divine image and thus fully, and equally, human.

You’d never know that from reading the Republican platform, especially in regard to the anti-abortion language that asserts the “sanctity and dignity of human life.” That section affirms that the “unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed” and calls for a “human life amendment to the Constitution.”

Astonishingly, there is no mention of an exception on abortion in the cases of rape or incest; no mention even of such an exception to save the life of the mother. No qualification at all when it comes to even the life of a woman being protected.

Aren’t women’s lives included in the category of “the sanctity and dignity of human life?”

The document also calls for “legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.” The Fourteenth Amendment contains the “equal protection clause,” except that when it comes to women’s lives, apparently, women are not equally protected. They are not even mentioned. The sole emphasis in the document as published is on what is called “the unborn.” That is, fetuses.

Why doesn’t the GOP consider women as equal, or even worth mentioning, when it comes to preserving their lives? Aren’t women’s lives “human lives”? The omission of women’s humanity and its protection from the GOP platform is a serious theological error.

Some in the party may indeed consider women human, but they are clearly not the people crafting policy.

145 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:05:38pm

re: #129 darthstar

Speaking of crazy...Fox cancelled Palin's appearances during the convention, and she's not happy about it.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*pregnant pause*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

146 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:06:01pm

re: #137 sattv4u2

re: #121 William Barnett-Lewis

Always been partial to the Buffalo Nickle

Been saving them when I come across one since I was a kid

[Link: coins.thefuntimesguide.com...]

ah if i only still had all the pre WWII coinage that i used to be able to save from ordinary change back when i wuz a kid in the early 60s

mercury dimes, buffalo nickels, standing liberty quarters

btw, if you collect paper money, the indian head five dollar bill is the single most desired american paper money issue, usually going for $500 each

147 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:07:21pm

re: #141 bratwurst

Who says the GOP isn't a big tent? Jonathan Capehart met a black Mormon birther Ron Paul delegate!

Yeesh...that just sounds like a pile of hot mess right there.

148 Gus  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:07:38pm

Hmmm.

French Essayist Blames Multiculturalism for Breivik’s Killing Spree
New essays by French author Richard Millet, which say Anders Behring Breivik's Norwegian massacre was the result of immigration and multiculturalism, have caused an uproar in France

149 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:07:51pm
150 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:08:26pm

re: #145 Gert Fröbe

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

*pregnant pause*

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

More schadenfreude? Don't mind if I do!

151 abolitionist  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:09:38pm

re: #143 abolitionist

False dichotomy.

I retract my comment. Both alternatives could be true.

152 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:09:51pm

re: #149 darthstar


Jeb Bush Warns RNC Attendees Of Bad Cialis Going Around Parking Lot

153 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:10:48pm

re: #147 Gert Fröbe

Yeesh...that just sounds a pile of hot mess right there.

Dear Jonathan

If you were paying attention last night you would have seen a Black, Mormon, FEMALE speaker

Keep up the great reportage

Me

154 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:10:53pm

re: #152 Kragar

don't even get him started on the ben-gay.

155 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:11:44pm

re: #154 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

don't even get him started on the ben-gay.

How do you make Ben Gay?

Tickle his nuts!

156 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:12:01pm

re: #151 abolitionist

I retract my comment.

It's cool.

157 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:12:31pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

LOL.

158 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:13:13pm

re: #154 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

don't even get him started on the ben-gay.

They have therapy for that.

/rimshot

159 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:13:24pm

re: #141 bratwurst

Who says the GOP isn't a big tent? Jonathan Capehart met a black Mormon birther Ron Paul delegate!

I used to live in Austin. I would be very interested to know what ward and stake he's in.

160 BongCrodny  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:14:11pm

re: #139 darthstar

Why Mitt Romney stands a chance in November.

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re: #140 HappyWarrior

Lamebook?

Spacebook.

161 Kragar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:14:31pm

Things That Shouldn't Be Said In Modern Society To Be Said At Least 1,400 Times At RNC

Throughout the three-day event, as the GOP unveils its 2012 platform and formally nominates its presidential ticket, experts predict words and phrases pertaining to science, health, and justice that are entirely unbefitting 21st-century human civilization will, on average, be voiced every 40 seconds from the podium at the Tampa Bay Times Forum.

According to alarming projections, the number of jarringly anachronistic remarks about gender alone will easily number in the hundreds.

“As the convention kicks off Tuesday with speeches from the likes of Rick Santorum and Nikki Haley, we should prepare ourselves to hear a more-or-less unending stream of ideas that should never even enter one’s mind, let alone be verbalized, in this day and age,” said Elizabeth Unger, a political scientist at Georgetown University. “It’s difficult to comprehend, but dozens of comments on such topics as human relationships and the physical world itself—which will seem as if they were crafted by some primitive unthinking civilization that existed centuries ago—will actually be emphasized, repeated, and used to punctuate key points in every single speech.”

“And what’s more baffling is that speakers will receive legitimate applause for saying things in public that no reasonable, informed member of society would ever willingly say in private,” she continued. “In fact, the more monstrous and archaic the thing sounds, the more ardent the ovation will be.”

162 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:15:02pm

re: #141 bratwurst

Who says the GOP isn't a big tent? Jonathan Capehart met a black Mormon birther Ron Paul delegate!

Was his name Clayton Bigsby?

163 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:15:37pm
164 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:15:52pm

re: #161 Kragar

Things That Shouldn't Be Said In Modern Society To Be Said At Least 1,400 Times At RNC

The Onion: So Painfully Close to the Truth, You Can't Help But Be Fooled.

165 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:18:17pm

re: #153 sattv4u2

Dear Jonathan

If you were paying attention last night you would have seen a Black, Mormon, FEMALE speaker

Keep up the great reportage

Me

She wasn't a Paulian, though.

166 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:19:36pm

re: #160 BongCrodny

re: #140 HappyWarrior

Spacebook.

The ones which say "Who's Neil Armstrong?" are worse.

I guess they could be topped by "Whose Neil Armstrong?" which would indict both our history AND our English teachers.

167 bratwurst  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:20:04pm

re: #165 wrenchwench

She wasn't a Paulian, though.

Or (as far as we know) a birther...but hey, whatever makes you feel good about about the platform at the top of this thread.

168 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:21:16pm

Why Mitt Romney stands a chance in November.

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"so pretty. I never knew Mars had a sun"

my cellmates here in the cell farm are wondering why i am giggling...

169 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:22:26pm

Who's Neil Armstrong?

i guess "who was Louis Armstrong" would just be an exercise in frustration...

170 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:22:28pm

re: #162 ArchangelMichael

Was his name Clayton Bigsby?

No, Bigsby was a (blind) black white supremacist, though I would not be surprised if there weren't a couple of those for real at the convention.

171 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:24:27pm

Sometimes I feel that the level of ignorance in the US represents actual hostility towards the educational system. Not just failure to pay attention in class, but a determined effort not to learn anything, just because the student is hostile about being there.

172 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:26:48pm

Many on the right (Bush did this) like to pretend they're simple, uneducated, plain folks lest they appear to be "elitist." (Of course, there are a lot of actual simple uneducated folks in both parties.)

173 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:28:07pm

re: #171 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Sometimes I feel that the level of ignorance in the US represents actual hostility towards the educational system. Not just failure to pay attention in class, but a determined effort not to learn anything, just because the student is hostile about being there.

sometimes i feel that the republican party is an advanced technology dedicated to channeling resentments

174 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:28:13pm

re: #171 Mostly sane, most of the time.

learning things requires one to have the humility to admit they don't know everything and they need to learn. In a country in which one party says that learning is elitist and that you know enough just because and are great because of it, there's no humility to be found and no desire to learn.

175 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:28:45pm

re: #172 ReamWorks SKG

Many on the right (Bush did this) like to pretend they're simple, uneducated, plain folks lest they appear to be "elitist." (Of course, there are a lot of actual simple uneducated folks in both parties.)

bush was so much better at it

176 engineer cat  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:31:28pm

"so pretty. I never knew Mars had a sun"

yes, virginia! why, mars even has its own celestial spheres, its own version of phlogiston, and even its own host of angels singing the praises of the martian jesus!

177 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:33:02pm

re: #174 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

learning things requires one to have the humility to admit they don't know everything and they need to learn. In a country in which one party says that learning is elitist and that you know enough just because and are great because of it, there's no humility to be found and no desire to learn.

re: #173 engineer cat

sometimes i feel that the republican party is an advanced technology dedicated to channeling resentments

I'm talking about high schoolers, who have been forced to be in school without any inspiration to want to be there, other than, "you'll be flipping burgers."

178 allegro  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:37:47pm

re: #177 Mostly sane, most of the time.

re: #173 engineer cat

I'm talking about high schoolers, who have been forced to be in school without any inspiration to want to be there, other than, "you'll be flipping burgers."

Yet another consequence of "teach to the test."

179 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:38:25pm

re: #16 Kragar

Technically, their wording means we need to toss out any law influenced or based on the Bible as it is a foreign source.

Aristotle and Plato were pagans. Better toss that crap out too.

180 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:44:29pm

I've read enough to know it's a steaming pile of shit.

It's Pat Buchanan's vision for America.

181 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:46:26pm

We want a stronger military, we want a balanced budget, we want lower taxes, we want a gold standard.

Any one of those 4 initiatives makes the other 3 impossible.

182 darthstar  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:46:40pm
183 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:49:09pm

re: #111 HappyWarrior

Is it just me or does Ann Romney make her husband sound more unlikable? "Get over your biases." Sorry ma'am, I've seen your party in action and if you want to just say I'm being biased then you and your husband don't deserve mine or anyone's vote if you think that "bias" is the only reason why people don't like your husband and his party.

I'm pretty biased against guys who enriched themselves by taking jobs away from middle class Americans. Shame on me, i suppose.

184 Mich-again  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:50:20pm

The Gospel according to the Christian Ayatollahs

185 funky chicken  Wed, Aug 29, 2012 3:51:41pm

re: #129 darthstar

Speaking of crazy...Fox cancelled Palin's appearances during the convention, and she's not happy about it.

[Link: www.facebook.com...]

I still think she's the "mystery guest" for Thursday night.

186 po8crg  Sat, Sep 1, 2012 7:04:56am

We had a political party go similarly bat-shit here in England in the 1980s - it was our Labour party, to the left. Their manifesto (the British equivalent of a platform) was described - by one of their own MPs -as "the longest suicide note in history".

I think this one is longer.

The original version is here: [Link: www.labour-party.org.uk...]

If Obama wants to win the election, all he needs to do is buy 150 million copies of the platform and have one delivered to every household in the United States.


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