1 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:17:02pm

We've got to stop meeting like this.

2 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:17:46pm

Branford Marsalis just played a gorgeous version of the national anthem on soprano sax, very simply with no embellishments. Beautiful opening.

3 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:21:07pm
4 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:24:10pm

Paul Ryan made the Kessel Run in under 11 Parsecs.

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:24:13pm

I'm trying to understand why putting things back in the platform is such a BFD?

6 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:24:21pm

I'm looking forward to this one:

Youtube Video

Just before 8:00 PM North Carolina time, if they stay on schedule.

7 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:25:40pm

In high school, Paul Ryan quarterbacked his way to a three point conversion.

8 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:27:28pm

re: #7 erik_t

In high school, Paul Ryan quarterbacked his way to a three point conversion.

While playing in a baseball game.

9 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:28:15pm

Now that Lance Armstrong has been stripped of his titles, I think Paul Ryan won the Tour de France four or five times.

10 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:30:21pm

re: #9 wrenchwench

His explanation for why he lied about his marathon lie turns out to pretty much be a lie too.

He claims he just made up what he thought would be an "ordinary time", but in the interview, said he was fast.

HH: I've just gotta ask, what's your personal best?
PR: Under three, high twos. I had a two hour and fifty-something.
HH: Holy smokes. All right, now you go down to Miami University...
PR: I was fast when I was younger, yeah.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:30:41pm

re: #7 erik_t

12 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:31:53pm

Mike Huckabee is lying. Again.

Huckabee has taken to repeating the lie that President Obama is a God-hating God-hater who refuses to say the word “Creator” when quoting from the Declaration of Independence.

This is a lie. Mike Huckabee is lying.

And Mike Huckabee is telling a particularly stupid lie. President Obama speaks in public, a lot. And almost every word he has said for the past several years has been recorded on video. So claiming that Obama never says something he says all the time — the president loves quoting the Declaration — either reveals Huckabee’s hamfistedness as a liar, or else it reveals his utter contempt for those in his audience, whom he assumes are too stupid not to just swallow every bogus word he feeds them.

13 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:34:22pm

re: #10 Obdicut

His explanation for why he lied about his marathon lie turns out to pretty much be a lie too.

And it's total fucking bullshit. If you're into running enough to finish a marathon at all, never mind sub-three-hours, you don't forget stuff like this.

I haven't run a 5k for ten years, but I can tell you right off the top of my head that my PR is 19:XX (I can fill in the X's). Even longer for a 1500 (high school), but that was 4:XX. I know my marathon time to the second, nearly as long ago as Ryan ran his. And for damn sure, if I forget these times someday, I won't somehow figure I probably actually ran a 15-minute 5k.

It's not just a lie, but it's an insulting lie, and he's telling another insulting lie on top of it.

14 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:34:34pm

Speaking of poor timing, Mitt Romney just sent me this email:

Friend,

In a few hours, I’ll take the podium before a Republican Party that has been united and inspired by a common conviction:

We believe in America.

We believe in America, even though the last four years have been full of difficulties and disappointments, doubt and despair.

We believe in America, even though millions of American families are worried about their jobs, their mortgages, their children, and their future.

We believe in America, even though President Obama’s failed policies have left us with record high unemployment, lower take-home pay, and the weakest economy since the Great Depression.

But we also believe that America can do better, because decline is not our destiny.

I commit to you that I will be the president this moment demands.

I ask you to commit like never before -- donate $20.12 to support Paul and me and the entire Republican team.

It will be my privilege to stand at the podium to accept the nomination. And I will stand not just for every supporter, and not just for the Republican Party -- I’ll stand for every American who believes our best days are ahead.

Thank you,

Mitt Romney

15 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:35:07pm

Paul Ryan won the doubles tournament at Wimbledon playing solo.

16 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:35:15pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Speaking of poor timing, Mitt Romney just sent me this email:

Paul Ryan says that Mitt Romney already spoke last Monday.

17 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:35:40pm

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

Mike Huckabee is lying. Again.

A third explanation is that Huck's a dumb fucking hillbilly.

18 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:35:57pm
19 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:37:29pm

Bryan Fischer: The choice between the parties is no longer political but moral

Bottom line: there are enormous contrasts between the two parties on four of the greatest moral issues of our day: abortion, marriage, Israel and God.

This all means the American people are faced with a clear, stark and unambiguous choice between these two party platforms. To choose the one is to choose darkness and evil and the wrath of God. To choose the other is to choose light, righteousness and the blessing of God.

In other words, the choice between America’s two great political parties is no longer political but moral.

20 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:37:41pm

re: #15 Kragar

Paul Ryan won the doubles tournament at Wimbledon playing solo.

He also won the Masters tournament by shooting 18 holes in one.

21 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:37:57pm

re: #17 BongCrodny

A third explanation is that Huck's a dumb fucking hillbilly.

The fourth is that he's a dead-eyed sociopath who knows he lying, but also knows that his audience won't care.

22 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:38:23pm

re: #20 Lidane

He also won the Masters tournament by shooting 18 holes in one.

#PaulRyanOrKimJongIl

23 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:38:25pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Speaking of poor timing, Mitt Romney just sent me this email:

We believe in America.

We believe in America, which is why I stash so much of my millions *out* of America.

24 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:38:42pm

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

Mike Huckabee is lying. Again.

This is why religion and politics don't mix.

25 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:39:31pm

By the way, check 8:30 of the linked video.

At the very beginning of today's session, before the invocation, they amended the DNC Platform to take away the two big Republican "outrageous outrages", namely recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and putting the word "God" back into the text of the platform.

26 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:40:02pm

re: #20 Lidane

He also won the Masters tournament by shooting 18 holes in one.

I'll bet Kim Jong-il could have beat him.

27 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:41:01pm

Paul Ryan defeated the Persians at Thermopylae single handedly.

28 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:41:19pm

Paul Ryan: the least most interesting man in the world.
Stay thirsty my friends...

29 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:41:30pm

re: #15 Kragar

Paul Ryan won the doubles tournament at Wimbledon playing solo.

Paul Ryan: The Rosie Ruiz of the 2012 Presidential Election.

30 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:41:35pm

We believe in America

good. i live in america - drop me an email and i'll help you find it

31 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:41:44pm

re: #3 Lidane

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Pathological liar. People like Ryan are really pathetic.

32 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:41:58pm

This all means the American people are faced with a clear, stark and unambiguous choice between these two party platforms. To choose the one is to choose darkness and evil and the wrath of God. To choose the other is to choose light, righteousness and the blessing of God.

The sad part is Fischer is confusing the two platforms.

33 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:42:22pm

re: #5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

I'm trying to understand why putting things back in the platform is such a BFD?

Was it in the platform to begin with and was taken out this year?

34 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:42:23pm

re: #20 Lidane

35 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:42:25pm

re: #19 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: The choice between the parties is no longer political but moral

Ok, kids! Time to play "find the talking points"

It is certainly a deep disappointment that Ruling Class Republicans are squeamish and cowardly when it comes to the defining moral issues of our time. This is especially unfortunate in light of the proud and noble history of the Republican Party, which was formed to fight the institution of slavery and to protect one-man, one-woman marriage. As its very first party platform declared, “[I]t is both the right and the imperative duty of Congress to prohibit in the Territories those twin relics of barbarism — Polygamy, and Slavery.”

Regardless of how faithless individual politicians may be, words means things, and the platforms of both parties were enthusiastically adopted this year by the delegates chosen by the grassroots for this purpose.

It is also quite troublesome that the Democratic platform does not recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel while the Republican platform does. This is of great significance for Americans who believe we have a sacred and biblical responsibility to be a national friend to Israel.

And the 2012 Democratic platform makes exactly zero mentions of God, having leached out the sole surviving reference from the 2008 platform. Meanwhile, the Republican platform explicitly references God no less than 12 times.

36 ArchangelMichael  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:42:29pm

re: #28 OhNoZombies!

Paul Ryan: the least most interesting man in the world.

He doesn't always talk about rape, but when he does he insults half the country.

37 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:42:42pm

Can't tell if ironic hipster or just clueless:

38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:42:50pm

re: #33 Sionainn

according to what I have heard it was in the platform in 08.

39 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:44:23pm

re: #32 Kragar

This all means the American people are faced with a clear, stark and unambiguous choice between these two party platforms. To choose the one is to choose darkness and evil and the wrath of God. To choose the other is to choose light, righteousness and the blessing of God.

The sad part is Fischer is confusing the two platforms.

It's also funny to see a Christian who has regularly trashed Mormonism in the past championing Romney for President.

40 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:45:04pm

We believe in America, even though President Obama’s failed policies have left us with record high unemployment, lower take-home pay, and the weakest economy since the Great Depression.

mitt wants to take america back to where it was in the fall of 2008, before obama took office

i'd have to conclude

41 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:45:44pm

re: #37 Lidane

There's a Prius around my neighborhood with a W sticker and a McCain/Palin sticker on it. Makes no sense,but maybe they're just a thrifty conservative?

42 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:46:02pm

re: #13 erik_t

And it's total fucking bullshit. If you're into running enough to finish a marathon at all, never mind sub-three-hours, you don't forget stuff like this.

I haven't run a 5k for ten years, but I can tell you right off the top of my head that my PR is 19:XX (I can fill in the X's). Even longer for a 1500 (high school), but that was 4:XX. I know my marathon time to the second, nearly as long ago as Ryan ran his. And for damn sure, if I forget these times someday, I won't somehow figure I probably actually ran a 15-minute 5k.

It's not just a lie, but it's an insulting lie, and he's telling another insulting lie on top of it.

Yep. When this first came out, I turned around and asked my husband what his best marathon times were. He rattled off the times, the years, and the locations of the marathons. One of the marathons was in 1989.

43 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:46:48pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Speaking of poor timing, Mitt Romney just sent me this email:

ROFLMAO! Can his campaign be any more inept?

44 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:48:21pm

re: #19 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: The choice between the parties is no longer political but moral

I know which party I think is the most evil and immoral.

45 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:48:29pm
46 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:49:38pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Speaking of poor timing, Mitt Romney just sent me this email:

You just got that today? Really? Wow. The Obama campaign is merciless in clogging my inbox with requests for cash, and they've all been timed to the various speakers at the DNC.

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:50:08pm

re: #19 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: The choice between the parties is no longer political but moral

It's always been moral, motherfucker.

48 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:51:27pm

re: #38 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

according to what I have heard it was in the platform in 08.

I'm disgusted with the Democrats who felt they needed to appease people by putting it back in.

49 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:53:51pm

BBIAB. I have to do reading homework with my kindergartner.

50 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:54:17pm

Liberal media!

51 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:54:42pm

re: #48 Sionainn

I'm disgusted with the Democrats who felt they needed to appease people by putting it back in.

It pisses me off that they took it out and then put it back in.
spineless

52 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:54:45pm

Speakers so far: meh.

53 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:55:05pm

re: #47 Decatur Deb

This man needs a hobby,running marathons with Paul Ryan maybe? What a horribly sad and mean little man.

54 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:55:51pm

Wow, C-SPAN is more than a minute ahead of the live YouTube video. Big lag.

55 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:56:17pm

re: #50 Lidane

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What? You gotta be kidding me. The fox guru?

56 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:57:55pm

Bryan Fischer: The choice between the parties is no longer political but moral

yes, but probably not exactly in the way you think it is...

57 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:58:27pm

re: #54 Charles Johnson

Wow, C-SPAN is more than a minute ahead of the live YouTube video. Big lag.

That's because Paul Ryan is their cameraman.

58 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:58:42pm

Things in Ohio might get interesting:

59 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 2:59:10pm

re: #55 blueraven

What? You gotta be kidding me. The fox guru?

You betcha!

60 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:02:43pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Speaking of poor timing, Mitt Romney just sent me this email:

Compare and contrast. This just in:

There's an energy here in Charlotte, and it's not just because the First Lady knocked it out of the park last night.

It's momentum. And it's because of what you're doing.

All week long, thousands upon thousands of you have been chipping in what you can, from where you are, because you're ready to see this thing through.

It's an incredible thing to be a part of. Keep it going -- we must keep it going -- with a donation of $3 or more.

So when you hear the pundits and everyone else talking about who has the momentum this week, remember one thing:

They're talking about you.

Let's make it big. Chip in what you can to build this campaign in the time we've got left -- and let's win:

[Link: donate.barackobama.com...]

Joe [Biden]

P.S. -- I'm excited for my speech tomorrow and for the President's -- we'll make the case for why we deserve four more years to keep fighting for what's right. But this week is about you and all the work you've been doing to get us here. Thank you for that.

61 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:11:21pm

re: #60 wrenchwench

Compare and contrast. This just in:

Thanks, Wrench...I just gave another $25.

62 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:11:52pm
63 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:11:56pm

re: #61 darthstar

Thanks, Wrench...I just gave another $25.

I do like that they saved my credit card info so I can basically 1-click every time I donate.

64 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:14:40pm

re: #61 darthstar

Thanks, Wrench...I just gave another $25.

You're welcome, and thank you!

65 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:15:57pm

re: #58 Lidane

Things in Ohio might get interesting:

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I hope the judge sends the SOB to jail for contempt.

66 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:16:29pm

In another shocker, Romney was just on Fog News (my new nickname) repeating the lie that Obama removed the work requirement when he gave states more flexibility with welfare reform.

67 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:20:40pm
68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:23:21pm

re: #67 Lidane

talk about getting their shit twisted. That logic is mind numbingly backwards

69 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:23:47pm

re: #68 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

talk about getting their shit twisted. That logic is mind numbingly backwards

I'm not sure it's appreciably worse than blaming Carter but having never heard of Bush.

70 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:25:31pm

re: #69 erik_t

true.

71 dragonath  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:32:07pm

Romney: Dem. convention 'so far is a celebration of failure'

Puhleeze. Imagine if Obama pulled petty shit like this.

72 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:33:44pm
73 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:34:56pm

re: #71 dragonath

Romney: Dem. convention 'so far is a celebration of failure'

Puhleeze. Imagine if Obama pulled petty shit like this.

Weren't we hearing some whiny bullshit last week about how you weren't supposed to campaign during your rival's convention?

74 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:35:09pm

Go to the link and read what's there.

75 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:35:28pm

re: #71 dragonath

Romney: Dem. convention 'so far is a celebration of failure'

Puhleeze. Imagine if Obama pulled petty shit like this.

More projection than an IMAX theater. Mitt's just pissed that he and the GOP blew $100 million on the RNC for a statistical tie and with him being upstaged by an empty chair.

76 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:37:19pm

re: #71 dragonath

re: #71 dragonath

Romney: Dem. convention 'so far is a celebration of failure'

Puhleeze. Imagine if Obama pulled petty shit like this.

BWAHAHAHAHA! What a dumbass. But, then again, it is Mitt Romney.

77 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:38:24pm

Romney still trying to take credit for saving the auto industry.

78 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:38:29pm

re: #71 dragonath

Romney: Dem. convention 'so far is a celebration of failure'

Puhleeze. Imagine if Obama pulled petty shit like this.

Out-of-touch effete shithead says what?

79 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:39:33pm

re: #77 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Romney still trying to take credit for saving the auto industry.

Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

80 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:39:56pm

My favorite:

81 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:48:04pm

there is a place in Laos called the Plain of Jars

even there, i can't find the .jar file i'm looking for...

82 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:51:47pm

Romney still trying to take credit for saving the auto industry Edsel.

83 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:58:29pm
84 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:58:31pm

We just had some church up in here.
Top that Huckabee.

85 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 3:59:46pm

what made you guys go all quiet for 20 minutes?

86 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:07:17pm

Magnate Rinehart says Australia too expensive for mining

Asia's richest woman, mining magnate Gina Rinehart, warned on Wednesday that Australia was becoming too expensive for mining firms which she said could hire workers for under $2 a day in Africa.

87 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:07:39pm

Shhh.

88 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:09:50pm

re: #73 erik_t

Weren't we hearing some whiny bullshit last week about how you weren't supposed to campaign during your rival's convention?

IOKIYAR

After President Obama's remarks this morning on the tropical storm headed toward New Orleans, a reporter asked whether it's appropriate to continue campaigning. Obama did not answer the shouted question.

But the truth is, the question would be relevant regardless of the storm. For more than three decades, incumbent presidents have resisted campaigning during the opposing party's convention--no matter what party the president was a member of.

Nitpicking whines about incumbent-vs-challenger will be treated with all of the respect they deserve.

89 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:12:11pm

Have the wingnuts picked a huge outrage from today's speeches yet? I think I'm becoming allergic to Breitbart.com - can't seem to load it. Some juicy material in there for the race grievance mongers to distort.

90 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:12:19pm

re: #86 Amory Blaine

Magnate Rinehart says Australia too expensive for mining

Um... isn't the location of mining operations sort of geologically determined? I mean, you can't just move a Colorado gold mine to northeastern China to take advantage of cheaper labor.

Right? Please?

91 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:16:40pm

re: #85 engineer cat

what made you guys go all quiet for 20 minutes?

Sun came out, had to mow.

92 palomino  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:16:48pm

re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion

Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

From that article:

I believe the federal government should invest substantially more in basic research — on new energy sources, fuel-economy technology, materials science and the like — that will ultimately benefit the automotive industry, along with many others. I believe Washington should raise energy research spending to $20 billion a year, from the $4 billion that is spent today.

I wonder if Mitt still believes those things today. Quintupling the amount spent on alternative fuel and related research? I think that's the Old Mitt, not the 2012 "severely conservative" New Mitt incarnation.

93 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:17:09pm

re: #58 Lidane

Things in Ohio might get interesting:

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O-o. Things are heating up. Good.

94 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:19:59pm

re: #77 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Romney still trying to take credit for saving the auto industry.

re: #79 Learned Mother of Zion

Romney: Let Detroit Go Bankrupt.

Related:

95 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:25:32pm

re: #12 The Ghost of a Flea

So much for that commandment about lying... you know how Huck like to claim to know all about the Bible and to be holier than thou

96 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:25:48pm

OK, Nancy is on live? Not on MSNBC?

97 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:26:17pm

re: #96 Stanley Sea

OK, Nancy is on live? Not on MSNBC?

That's what I've got.

98 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:26:40pm

re: #95 diamonda2u

So much for that commandment about lying... you know how Huck like to claim to know all about the Bible and to be holier than thou

Huck loves the bible so much he sets rapists free.

99 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:28:01pm

Heh:

100 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:28:26pm

Dishonest Fox Graphic: God Edition

Fox News has fixated on the fact that the Democratic platform for 2012 does not mention the word "God," and used a misleading graphic that points out that the Republican platform for 2012 references "God" more often than the Democratic platform has in any of the last four election years. The graphic ignores that in 2000 and 2004, the Democratic platform contained the word "God" more times than the Republican platform in those years; moreover, the 2012 Democratic platform has a section on faith.

Fox has run several segments today highlighting how the word "God" does not appear in the 2012 Democratic platform. In one such segment, Sen. Dick Durbin (D-IL) confronted host Bret Baier over the issue, saying that the network is "harping on a trifle" and presenting the Democrats as "godless people."

101 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:30:10pm

re: #100 Kragar

Dishonest Fox Graphic: God Edition

God needn't appear in the platform, "Romney" doesn't appear in the Mass texts.

102 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:30:51pm

re: #97 Decatur Deb

That's what I've got.

Because its not 5 here yet I guess. It's just Rachel & her peeps.

Damn.

103 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:31:26pm

re: #100 Kragar

Dishonest Fox Graphic: God Edition

Ugh. I know one hardcore GOP/Faux News fanboy type who is making a huge deal about this whole God and Jerusalem business because it's been on Fox all day. He thinks that it's going to give the majority of Jewish votes to Mitt Romney and that all Christians will abandon the Dems now. Or something.

I just smiled and changed the subject. Trying to explain how full of shit Fox is to this guy is like trying to explain how magnets work to a Juggalo.

104 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:32:46pm

re: #100 Kragar

Dishonest Fox Graphic: God Edition

Best part about this BS? Only the dying demographic gives a flying fuck.

(Sailor talk is ON)

105 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:34:29pm

I mean really, on so many levels...the RNC SUCKED big toes, compared to this. It's like they didn't even try, they really think they can just toss out "subtle racist commentary" and insults and that's it... well sadly, with their base, that's all they need... but their convention still SUCKED!

106 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:34:59pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

Best part about this BS? Only the dying demographic gives a flying fuck.

(Sailor talk is ON)

I'm the poster child for the dying demographic, and I don't give a fuck.

Polling my wife now.

She doesn't give a fuck either.

107 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:36:17pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

I'm the poster child for the dying demographic, and I don't give a fuck.

Polling my wife now.

She doesn't give a fuck either.

I'm to old to give a fuck.

108 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:37:11pm

re: #107 Tigger2

I'm to old to give a fuck.

You get parsimonious with fucks at our age.

109 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:37:53pm
110 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:39:30pm

re: #109 Lidane

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I saw that on my FB page today Classic lol

111 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:39:30pm

re: #106 Decatur Deb

I'm the poster child for the dying demographic, and I don't give a fuck.

Polling my wife now.

She doesn't give a fuck either.

You two are who I'd love to meet. AND you went to my Alma Mater to register voters - huge kudos.

(Was the Knights Inn on 13th Street?)

112 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:40:42pm

re: #111 Stanley Sea

You two are who I'd love to meet. AND you went to my Alma Mater to register voters - huge kudos.

(Was the Knights Inn on 13th Street?)

Yup. Nice lady--I changed her name to 'Patel' (Smith) for blogging purposes.

113 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:42:15pm

WHAT THE FUCK.

D'Nish (whatever his name is, not gonna look) movie 2016 ad is on MSNBC.

Well, they did cut off the last sentence, "you need to know who he (Pres. O) IS"

$$$ talks in media.

114 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:43:30pm

re: #112 Decatur Deb

Yup. Nice lady--I changed her name to 'Patel' (Smith) for blogging purposes.

Well, that place has been there FOREVER.

Glad the Kenyans are getting a foot into Gainesville.

115 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:43:39pm

*headdesk*

Oh geez. The nutters are bleating on Twitter that Julian Castro is somehow a fake because they claim he doesn't actually speak Spanish.

Right. Because a mother who worked tirelessly with La Raza Unida and who considered a Chicano identity important is going to raise her kids without teaching them Spanish. I heard him last night. He sounded exactly like any number of Mexican-American kids here in Texas.

116 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:45:25pm

re: #115 Lidane

Wait, don't they want all Latinos to speak perfect English?

117 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:45:58pm

re: #114 Stanley Sea

Well, that place has been there FOREVER.

Glad the Kenyans are getting a foot into Gainesville.

No telling how many Botany majors lost their flowers there.

118 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:46:48pm

re: #116 Obdicut

Wait, don't they want all Latinos to speak perfect English?

They want us to self-deport after we finish building their border wall and gun turrets. The rest is details.

But seriously, fuck these people. Julian Castro sounds just like any other Mexican-American kid here in Texas who grew up speaking Spanish. I should know, because I am one.

119 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:48:28pm
120 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:50:40pm

Sluts vote

121 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:55:34pm

re: #116 Obdicut

Wait, don't they want all Latinos to speak perfect English?

LOL, they are so mentally challenged with their arguments. "real conservatives" no. College football team rooters, yeah.

122 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:58:52pm

re: #120 darthstar

Sluts vote

Peeps are clutching their pearls about the Slut embracing. Oh to the fuck.

123 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:59:08pm

re: #109 Lidane

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While that man was serving his country in Vietnam, Romney was "serving my church."

124 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 4:59:30pm

re: #118 Lidane

They want us to self-deport after we finish building their border wall and gun turrets. The rest is details.

But seriously, fuck these people. Julian Castro sounds just like any other Mexican-American kid here in Texas who grew up speaking Spanish. I should know, because I am one.

My paternal grandmother could speak English, Ukrainian, Polish and German fluently. I can barely speak one language. My dad knows just a smidgen of those other languages. Languages don't always survive a new country.

125 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:00:53pm

re: #118 Lidane

They want us to self-deport after we finish building their border wall and gun turrets. The rest is details.

But seriously, fuck these people. Julian Castro sounds just like any other Mexican-American kid here in Texas who grew up speaking Spanish. I should know, because I am one.

They'd probably love the perfectly fluent Spanglish I hear every day around here. I know I do.

126 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:02:03pm

And today on NPR a North Carolina farmer talked about the undocumented workers he desperately needs, his support for their citizenship, his total support of the dream act, and the "good man" President Obama.

127 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:05:14pm

re: #123 Sionainn

While that man was serving his country in Vietnam, Romney was "serving my church."

And protesting in favor of the fucking draft.

Unbelievable.

128 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:05:50pm

BIRTH CONTROL ALL NIGHT LONG BABY!

129 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:06:03pm

re: #124 b_sharp

My paternal grandmother could speak English, Ukrainian, Polish and German fluently. I can barely speak one language. My dad knows just a smidgen of those other languages. Languages don't always survive a new country.

True, they don't always survive. But knowing Spanish in this state is pretty much mandatory. Especially the further south you go. Maybe it's because I lived on the border and I still have family there and in Mexico, I don't know. But not knowing Spanish would just be strange for me, since it was my first language. English came later.

For Julian Castro, the guy writes his name in Spanish. He's got the accent over the "a" and everything, meaning it's meant to be pronounced that way. And looking at his mother, his wife, and his daughter, you know that's a family that speaks Spanish fluently and who probably get through the day with Spanglish.

130 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:06:18pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

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And today on NPR a North Carolina farmer talked about the undocumented workers he desperately needs, his support for their citizenship, his total support of the dream act, and the "good man" President Obama.

Yeah he prob does need the help, I don't care what the republicans say or believe most Americans will not take those jobs.

131 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:06:37pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

And protesting in favor of the fucking draft.

Unbelievable.

Just before he left for France.
To live in a castle.

132 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:08:21pm

Were they just playing "Never Gonna Give You Up?"

133 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:11:17pm

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

134 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:13:20pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

Very simple reason.

The Republican Party is waging open warfare on 51% of the voting population, and women are not going to sit idly by.

Polling data has shown that there is a significant swing in women voters regarding the official RNC policy, which goes as far as re-defining rape. Even Republican women are trending more toward Democrats in this election cycle.

135 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:14:23pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

There's no voting down for a strategic statement. I just hope whatever message gets out is calibrated to what we believe. It doesn't work if you just do a facile sales job. (Unless you're a skilled GE refrigerator salesman.)

136 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:14:50pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I guess this is to energize the base?

Definitely.

The challenge for the Obama re-election bid is that he has to get large turnouts in the swing states, and that won't happen if there aren't enough activists to make sure registrations are done and even election day transportation.

137 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:15:22pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

El Cap, I see the emphasis not on abortion, but on birth control and women's health.

But mention PP, and all people think of is abortion. The campaign against it has been extremely successful.

Before insurance, like so so many women, PP is the place you go. Sliding scale, easy to talk to and freaking, the needed safe BIRTH CONTROL.

138 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:16:49pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

Sorry, but it's about far more than abortion. The GOP want to destroy my rights as a woman. They want to restrict birth control. They want to force transvaginal ultrasounds on rape victims. They just spent weeks talking about "legitimate rape" and "forcible rape".

I don't give a good goddamn if someone is uncomfortable with abortion talk at the DNC. SOMEONE has to stand up for the rights of women to decide for themselves about their bodies, their lives, their healthcare and their choices, including the choice of whether or not to become a mother.

139 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:16:55pm

re: #130 Tigger2

Yeah he prob does need the help, I don't care what the republicans say or believe most Americans will not take those jobs.

Nope. I don't do picking, especially in the sun.
And as far as I'm concerned, meat is grown in the meat section at the grocery store.

140 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:17:27pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

They are also talking about birth control, I might be a guy but I don't want the Republicans banning birth control.

141 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:17:29pm

re: #136 freetoken

Definitely.

The challenge for the Obama re-election bid is that he has to get large turnouts in the swing states, and that won't happen if there aren't enough activists to make sure registrations are done and even election day transportation.

That's what I figure, and I see the "energize" bit there. I'm guessing the calculus here is that there's more votes to be gained than fighting apathy ... however this also energizes the other side too ... It seems somewhat risky to focus so much on it, I thought the healthcare bit showing that Romney would make pre existing conditions and lifetime caps an issue again was broader and had less downsides. Should be an area of focus (as was shown by the testimonial yesterday).

142 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:18:01pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica


I agree, I think they can make the case for women and healthcare without so much abortion talk, because it really is about more than abortion.

143 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:19:34pm

Cecile Richards did good. "Thanks to Barack Obama, being a woman is no longer pre-existing condition."

Know her. Knew her mom. Know her sister, Ellen, who lives in the 'hood.

144 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:19:48pm

re: #141 ElCapitanAmerica

I think you're viewing all talk about birth control as talk about abortion.

145 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:20:20pm

re: #137 Stanley Sea

El Cap, I see the emphasis not on abortion, but on birth control and women's health.

But mention PP, and all people think of is abortion. The campaign against it has been extremely successful.

Before insurance, like so so many women, PP is the place you go. Sliding scale, easy to talk to and freaking, the needed safe BIRTH CONTROL.

I used PP for years before I worked my way up to a job that had insurance coverage. I used PP for exams, Pap smears, and birth control at a price I could afford. They picked up my abnormal Pap smear and sent me to a physician who would work out a reasonable price for me to pay to get treated so I didn't develop cervical cancer. I had no abortions during those years nor did my friends in the same boat with no insurance.

In fact, it wasn't until years later that I even know that PP performed abortions. It's not something that they advertised or pushed on anybody. Planned Parenthood will always get my support.

146 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:20:21pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

Who has gone overboard on abortion?

147 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:22:02pm

A hateful troll says what?

148 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:22:19pm

re: #137 Stanley Sea

I don't give a good goddamn if someone is uncomfortable with abortion talk at the DNC. SOMEONE has to stand up for the rights of women to decide for themselves about their bodies, their lives, their healthcare and their choices, including the choice of whether or not to become a mother.

You should give a damn as far as how it affects the president from winning, as a loss would definetely impact you. Sorry if I'm sounding too tactical, but like you I have issues that are high priority and require the admin win over Romeny/Ryan.

149 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:23:14pm

re: #108 Decatur Deb

You get parsimonious with fucks at our age.

Fuck Mentioned Zero Times In GOP Platform

candidate assures public he does give a fuck

150 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:24:40pm

re: #148 ElCapitanAmerica

I don't give a good goddamn if someone is uncomfortable with abortion talk at the DNC. SOMEONE has to stand up for the rights of women to decide for themselves about their bodies, their lives, their healthcare and their choices, including the choice of whether or not to become a mother.

You should give a damn as far as how it affects the president from winning, as a loss would definetely impact you. Sorry if I'm sounding too tactical, but like you I have issues that are high priority and require the admin win over Romeny/Ryan.

Half the population possibly losing civil rights if Romney wins IS the HIGHEST PRIORITY for me and all the other women in my circle of friends.

151 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:24:54pm

re: #148 ElCapitanAmerica

I don't give a good goddamn if someone is uncomfortable with abortion talk at the DNC. SOMEONE has to stand up for the rights of women to decide for themselves about their bodies, their lives, their healthcare and their choices, including the choice of whether or not to become a mother.

You should give a damn as far as how it affects the president from winning, as a loss would definetely impact you. Sorry if I'm sounding too tactical, but like you I have issues that are high priority and require the admin win over Romeny/Ryan.

Again, who has gone overboard on abortion? I havent seen it.

152 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:25:13pm

re: #147 Lidane

A hateful troll says what?

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Its like comedic inversion.

153 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:25:27pm

re: #140 Tigger2

They are also talking about birth control, I might be a guy but I don't want the Republicans banning birth control.

As a dude, you WANT birth control.

154 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:25:35pm

re: #147 Lidane

Didn't she date that d"Nouk Souza or whatever his name is at one time? If so...figures... oh, and she professes to be a Christian... nice character their Ann....

155 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:25:38pm

re: #148 ElCapitanAmerica

You should give a damn as far as how it affects the president from winning, as a loss would definetely impact you. Sorry if I'm sounding too tactical, but like you I have issues that are high priority and require the admin win over Romeny/Ryan.

The people who consider abortion a high priority issue are going to vote Romney anyway, since they're going to be the rabid pro-life types.

The Democrats are correct in talking about women's health issues and about healthcare, including abortion. But what I've seen so far is more about equity, such as the line about being a woman no longer being a pre-existing condition, and about giving women empowerment with respect to their healthcare coverage. I haven't seen any speakers so far talking about abortion as much as they have talked about women deciding what is right for themselves.

156 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:26:37pm

re: #149 engineer cat

Fuck Mentioned Zero Times In GOP Platform

candidate assures public he does give a fuck

TPGOP Platform:

"How do I fuck thee?
Let me count the ways...
Plank 1..."

157 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:27:55pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

As a dude, you WANT birth control.

I want my lady's to have it lol

158 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:28:40pm

re: #147 Lidane

A hateful troll says what?

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She's lonely, and irreverent. What a fucking asshole.

159 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:30:40pm

re: #148 ElCapitanAmerica

I don't give a good goddamn if someone is uncomfortable with abortion talk at the DNC. SOMEONE has to stand up for the rights of women to decide for themselves about their bodies, their lives, their healthcare and their choices, including the choice of whether or not to become a mother.

You should give a damn as far as how it affects the president from winning, as a loss would definetely impact you. Sorry if I'm sounding too tactical, but like you I have issues that are high priority and require the admin win over Romeny/Ryan.

Read it, don't agree. Again, they are them, we are we. The indy's are women too, and they know damn well about their own abortions and birth control.

Truth is truth, if we lose by standing up for women and their choice that has gone as far now as their choice of birth control, I'm on the right side.

160 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:31:29pm

re: #147 Lidane

A hateful troll says what?

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She needs to have 'relations' big time.
The hate would just melt away...

161 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:32:40pm

Did the RNC even talk about veterans and any terms besides going to war with Iran and everyone else? Just asking cause I missed most of the Obama hate fest they called a convention.

BTW, Shinseki is about to get all the hate-mail they can send out from the right... cause you know how they love the troops and veterans (sarcasm off)

162 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:36:42pm

Cute!!!!!

How is everyone?

163 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:37:26pm

re: #158 Stanley Sea

She's lonely, and irreverent irrelevant. What a fucking asshole.

FTFY...

164 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:37:51pm

re: #159 Stanley Sea

Truth is truth, if we lose by standing up for women and their choice that has gone as far now as their choice of birth control, I'm on the right side.

I'm not saying that Dems don't promote their platform, I'm not sure the emphasis on abortion is really necessary. I'm talking more about a tactical matter, not so much as "being on the right side", at the end of the day being on the right side in my view is more about winning at this point. Sorry for sounding so brutally pragmatic, but I think there's a delicate balance to keep here which is more important on the strategy than on the purity of a message.

Again, the only reason I see for it is the "energize the base argument", let's not kid ourselves to think that these speeches are not coordinated to maximize an outcome after all (see the course correction on the Israel/God position, and the bad optics of having to amend it in the way it happened).

165 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:38:51pm

Ann Coulter is one of those women is a man wannbe.

She's made it in a man's world by dissing her own gender.

There are words for women like her . . .

166 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:39:15pm

re: #161 diamonda2u

Did the RNC even talk about veterans and any terms besides going to war with Iran and everyone else? Just asking cause I missed most of the Obama hate fest they called a convention.

The fact that they avoided talking about the military and Afghanistan is just a clear view of how weak Romney is seeing on these issues and how Obama has surpassed expectations in international affairs, an issues Republicans used to think they "owned".

167 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:39:39pm

re: #164 ElCapitanAmerica

I'm not saying that Dems don't promote their platform, I'm not sure the emphasis on abortion is really necessary. I'm talking more about a tactical matter, not so much as "being on the right side", at the end of the day being on the right side in my view is more about winning at this point. Sorry for sounding so brutally pragmatic, but I think there's a delicate balance to keep here which is more important on the strategy than on the purity of a message.

Again, the only reason I see for it is the "energize the base argument", let's not kid ourselves to think that these speeches are not coordinated to maximize an outcome after all (see the course correction on the Israel/God position, and the bad optics of having to amend it in the way it happened).

The emphasis on Reproductive Rights IS necessary. I NEED TO HEAR IT!

168 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:41:13pm

re: #161 diamonda2u

Did the RNC even talk about veterans and any terms besides going to war with Iran and everyone else? Just asking cause I missed most of the Obama hate fest they called a convention.

BTW, Shinseki is about to get all the hate-mail they can send out from the right... cause you know how they love the troops and veterans (sarcasm off)

John McCain and his proposed inscription to 3 more wars. That was it.

169 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:41:37pm

re: #165 ggt

Ann Coulter is one of those women is a man wannbe.

She's made it in a man's world by dissing her own gender.

There are words for women like her . . .

I think she's probably a miserable person off camera. She must be. Her whole schtick is attacking other people who she doesn't even know.

170 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:41:46pm

re: #163 Gert Fröbe

FTFY...

oops

171 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:42:42pm

Okay just got back from the kid brother's Little League game. Any real good speeches so far?

172 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:43:08pm

re: #167 ggt

The emphasis on Reproductive Rights IS necessary. I NEED TO HEAR IT!

Damn straight! And so do all the other women out there.

173 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:43:23pm

BTW, the DNC has better music :-) No matter what, they are going to party...

174 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:43:58pm

I had to work late last night, so I missed the first lady's remarks.

I just watched them.

She spoke with thrumming eloquence and sincerity about true things. She spoke poetry about the people that make America worth fighting for and the people that make this nation great.

She reminded me that all is not lost.

There is still an America worth fighting for. We haven't been beaten yet. We have not yet succumbed to evils and petty greed that spread nothing but fear, hatred, malice and ignorance. We have not yet sewn a full field of destruction.

She said the word love perhaps a dozen times and spoke shamelessly about what matters most.

She spoke of humility and gratitude.

She spoke of hard work.

The right wing gives us a spoiled and heartless creature shaped by the rigours of indolence and unencumbered by mere compassion.

The right wing meme about her currently is that she is fat.

There is a lot of work to do.

175 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:44:04pm

Amen, sister Simone!

176 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:44:47pm

re: #133 ElCapitanAmerica

I'll probably get voted down for this, but the amount of abortion talk at this convention is going a bit overboard and puts the candidacy at risk more than anything. I guess this is to energize the base? If you are pro-choice you're going to already vote for the Dems, if you're pro-life you are going to compromise because you might be more attracted to the obvious economic benefits of this administration.

However the emphasis on abortion, given the economic state of the country and the threat to healthcare in general (ie: repealing "Obamacare") are issues that I think are being put in jeopardy because of this.

Do you read the Wall Street Journal?

The Abortion Convention
Will Democrats turn opportunity into disaster?

I disagree with that article, and I disagree with you.

Besides, abortion and birth control are very much economic issues, at the personal level.

177 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:45:46pm

re: #173 diamonda2u

BTW, the DNC has better music :-) No matter what, they are going to party...

Ha, that was my one guarantee going into yesterday that the DNC would for sure have better music. I went to Bill Clinton's inagarual with my Dad. He's said it was one of the best collection of musical performers. Remember it was a Republican secretary of the interior, James Watt that thought the Beach Boys should be barred from playing. Yeah, not exactly fair to his boss because Reagan told Watt he was nuts.

178 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:45:59pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Do you read the Wall Street Journal?

I disagree with that article, and I disagree with you.

Besides, abortion and birth control are very much economic issues, at the personal level.

I read lots of stuff, hadn't read that article (will do).

I'm not arguing the merits of what you are saying btw, maybe I'm not explaining my point very well ...

179 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:47:47pm

re: #164 ElCapitanAmerica

I'm not saying that Dems don't promote their platform, I'm not sure the emphasis on abortion is really necessary. I'm talking more about a tactical matter, not so much as "being on the right side", at the end of the day being on the right side in my view is more about winning at this point. Sorry for sounding so brutally pragmatic, but I think there's a delicate balance to keep here which is more important on the strategy than on the purity of a message.

Again, the only reason I see for it is the "energize the base argument", let's not kid ourselves to think that these speeches are not coordinated to maximize an outcome after all (see the course correction on the Israel/God position, and the bad optics of having to amend it in the way it happened).

Yah, but its not abortion. It's women's basic health care. I do not doubt. They've so well painted anything about a woman to be about abortion. Really, the GOP is saying Woman = abortion. It's horrific.

Then they went after birth control. Their agenda isn't abortion alone, and we will fight.

No fear.

Yeah, it's going to be a crazy close close election. Our country is very divided. Equally.

180 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:48:03pm

Mr. Ryan--Put out your hand, knuckles down.

181 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:48:09pm

Dana Loesch is in auto-hate mode again.

182 allegro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:48:15pm

re: #155 Lidane

The people who consider abortion a high priority issue are going to vote Romney anyway, since they're going to be the rabid pro-life types.

The Democrats are correct in talking about women's health issues and about healthcare, including abortion. But what I've seen so far is more about equity, such as the line about being a woman no longer being a pre-existing condition, and about giving women empowerment with respect to their healthcare coverage. I haven't seen any speakers so far talking about abortion as much as they have talked about women deciding what is right for themselves.

I'm watching the PBS coverage of the convention and they just had an interview with Julian Castro. They asked him about this in much the same way that ElCap has, being all "concerned" about how much they've been talking about it. David Brooks whined about how this was supposed to be the night for talking about economics and Castro laughed and promised they'd get to it.

I was screaming at the TV about then. For women, there are few economic issues more important to us that our right to reproductive choice. Nowhere are politics more personal and more determinant of our futures both personally and economically. Our right to choose, our access to healthcare and birth control - these ARE essential economic issues.

183 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:48:19pm

re: #177 HappyWarrior

I'm sitting hear hoping they play at least one song all the way thru cause I am dancing in my seat on all songs..

184 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:48:57pm
185 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:48:57pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch is in auto-hate mode again.

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Zygotes suffer now. I thought it was about souls or something.

Who knew?

186 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:49:02pm

re: #178 ElCapitanAmerica

I read lots of stuff, hadn't read that article (will do).

I'm not arguing the merits of what you are saying btw, maybe I'm not explaining my point very well ...

I agree that it will serve to energize the base, but it's much more than that. There was a time you couldn't talk about these things in public. Those were terrible times for women. It's good to hear the discussion out loud (even if I can't actually play the stream here.)

187 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:49:16pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Coming form the party that doesn't care when they die outside the womb....hypocrites... (and I am against abortion but their hypocrisy just goes beyond reason)

188 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:49:41pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch is in auto-hate mode again.

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I can almost guarantee that most of these people like Dana and Limbaugh don't even go to Church in the first place, but they sure like to talk for people who take their faith seriously.

189 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:49:52pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

Way to have an election based on the state of the economy, guys. You're staying on message like champions. Keep doin' your thing.

190 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:49:53pm

re: #184 Charles Johnson

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That guy's a fucking prick. Still remember your link to him suggesting that teachers who take their student rallies should be killed. Nice guy.// And I don't think John Nolte gives a fuck about Israel and allmighty God except to use as a wedge issue against Democrats.

191 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:50:09pm

Sister Simone.

Oh yeah.

192 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:50:55pm

re: #176 wrenchwench

Do you read the Wall Street Journal?

I disagree with that article, and I disagree with you.

Besides, abortion and birth control are very much economic issues, at the personal level.

Men refuse to understand how important this issue is to them. Women's aren't really human, so this issue really doesn't matter.

Just think how their lives would be if they had 10 kids and a wife that was always pregnant and couldn't work . . . no health insurance (Obamacare is bad), one car, no cable TV, steak once a year . . .

193 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:51:06pm

Woot! Sister Simone re: ACA...this is part of my pro-life stance

194 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:51:21pm

Is Joe Biden tonite or tomorrow?

195 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:51:30pm
196 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:51:35pm

re: #181 Charles Johnson

Dana Loesch is in auto-hate mode again.

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Someone ask Dana about how she would feel if she had a medically threatening pregnancy, or G-d forbid, were raped and pregnant.

I imagine that she would argue her case is different.

Also ask why she would refuse to care for, educate, feed and clothe babies that were already born.

197 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:51:57pm

Huh? People were booing God? Wow, that sure sounds bad.

198 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:52:01pm

You know I saw the benediction that closed last night's DNC. The conservatives who talk about liberals being intolerant of people of faith really should have watched it and they would see how most liberals view faith. Religion isn't for me but if it works for you, great, and that benediction showed how religion can be a good force in people's lives but instead all these people care about is something trivial like God not being named in the platform.

199 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:52:44pm

Loesch is trolling again. Why did you hire again CNN? Oh that's right......

200 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:53:00pm

re: #196 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Hey bubbala check your gmail.

201 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:53:18pm

re: #180 Decatur Deb

Mr. Ryan--Put out your hand, knuckles down.

Speaking of which, I was amused that he got caught lying about his marathon time... He claimed 2 hours 50 something...

The run he made was 4 hours.

Well the world is full of insecure, boasting pseudo-jocks.

202 Coracle  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:53:30pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Huh? People were booing God? Wow, that sure sounds bad.

Get with the program. Every single one of them hates God and Israel. Dana said so.

203 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:54:03pm

re: #201 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Speaking of which, I was amused that he got caught lying about his marathon time... He claimed 2 hours 50 something...

The run he made was 4 hours.

Well the world is full of insecure, boasting pseudo-jocks.

Sarah Palin finished the marathon in less time than Paul Ryan. That's gotta leave a mark.

204 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:54:35pm

What they are saying is they were "booing God" when they amended the language around support for Israel ...

205 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:54:35pm

The Delaware governor might be a little dry on delivery but his message is relevant and educational... being president is not the same as running a company where you only care about the bottom line.

206 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:54:48pm

re: #178 ElCapitanAmerica

I read lots of stuff, hadn't read that article (will do).

I'm not arguing the merits of what you are saying btw, maybe I'm not explaining my point very well ...

I think you think it will damage the cause.

It won't, it's 50% of the cause of the Democratic party. We women know exactly what we are going to fight for.

I have always fought for the right to choose. But not enough obviously, because of the slippery snidely small nips at it, state by state, it happened quickly.

Then Susan G. Komen, recipient of my money dropped PP.

THEN THE GOP IS AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL? They showed their cards.

Its ON fuckers.

207 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:54:52pm

re: #203 Learned Mother of Zion

Sarah Palin finished the marathon in less time than Paul Ryan. That's gotta leave a mark.

You just made me snort iced coffee through my nose!

208 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:55:09pm

I love the reception the nun got, a standing ovation!

209 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:55:10pm

re: #196 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Someone ask Dana about how she would feel if she had a medically threatening pregnancy, or G-d forbid were raped and pregnant.

I imagine that she would argue her case is different.

Also ask why she would refuse to care for, educate, feed and clothe babies that were already born.

There are graphics for people like her . . .

210 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:55:12pm

re: #200 Learned Mother of Zion

Hey bubbala check your gmail.

Will do!

211 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:56:00pm

God?
BOOO!!!!

212 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:56:22pm

re: #206 Stanley Sea

I think you think it will damage the cause.

It won't, it's 50% of the cause of the Democratic party. We women know exactly what we are going to fight for.

I have always fought for the right to choose. But not enough obviously, because of the slippery snidely small nips at it, state by state, it happened quickly.

Then Susan G. Komen, recipient of my money dropped PP.

THEN THE GOP IS AGAINST BIRTH CONTROL? They showed their cards.

Its ON fuckers.

Power, Control, and Control and Power.

Women are not human, therefore they need to be controlled.

213 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:57:19pm

I'm waiting for one of the idiot right wing nut bloggers to slip some anti-Catholicism in. Totally expect it after Glenn Beck likened Catholic social justice beliefs to Nazism a couple years ago.

214 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:57:55pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Huh? People were booing God? Wow, that sure sounds bad.

GOD SCHMOD. Crucify me.

215 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:58:21pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Huh? People were booing God? Wow, that sure sounds bad.

They were booing because Villaraigosa rammed that vote through. Sounded like 50/50 to me. It was also unusual for the DNC to do this. Jeffrey Goldberg also makes a good point here:

And, by the way, the notion that the U.S. should move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem (which is what this dispute is ultimately about) is a flawed one. In a perfect world, the U.S. would move the embassy to a neighborhood of West Jerusalem that has been part of Israel since the state's founding, but it's not a perfect world, and the U.S. -- and Israel -- need Arab support on many different issues, including counterterrorism and Iran. Moving the embassy would cause an eruption in the Middle East, where people have been led to believe by propagandists that Jews have no right to Jerusalem, and no connection to Jerusalem. Again, in a perfect world, this wouldn't be so, but reality is what it is. Why the U.S. should waste political capital on an issue like this when there is so much actual work to be done is beyond me.

216 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:58:27pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

I'm waiting for one of the idiot right wing nut bloggers to slip some anti-Catholicism in. Totally expect it after Glenn Beck likened Catholic social justice beliefs to Nazism a couple years ago.

It'll happen, though I have to say it's been rather suppressed this election cycle (because Ryan is Catholic maybe?)

217 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:58:47pm

re: #195 Charles Johnson

MP3 Audio
218 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 5:59:06pm
219 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:00:53pm

re: #213 HappyWarrior

I'm waiting for one of the idiot right wing nut bloggers to slip some anti-Catholicism in. Totally expect it after Glenn Beck likened Catholic social justice beliefs to Nazism a couple years ago.

Glenn Beck is super concerned with American Airlines. THE BIGGEST LOL I HAD TODAY.

Poor Guy

220 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:01:01pm

In my experience, the people in the front pews, who shout 'Jesus' the loudest are the ones you have to look out for...

221 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:01:01pm

re: #216 ElCapitanAmerica

It'll happen, though I have to say it's been rather suppressed this election cycle (because Ryan is Catholic maybe?)

I dunno. I think the Republicans really thought they could use the birth control thing as a wedge issue.

222 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:01:03pm

re: #197 Charles Johnson

Huh? People were booing God? Wow, that sure sounds bad.

There could be some smiting later.

223 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:02:04pm

Must be nice to live in right wing fantasy world where Democratic delegates boo God.

224 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:02:16pm

re: #200 Learned Mother of Zion

replied

225 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:02:19pm

re: #222 jaunte

There could be some smiting later.

Hey God?
Take your best shot tough guy!
*Flips bird

226 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:02:49pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

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Loesch why dont you ask you own party about their total disregard for that same unborn child after it's born.

227 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:03:19pm

re: #220 OhNoZombies!

In my experience, the people in the front pews, who shout 'Jesus' the loudest are the ones you have to look out for...

The best hypocrites are the biggest moralists I think was what Wharton observed if I remember The Age of Innocence right.

228 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:03:52pm
Someone ask this "nun" of the suffering of unborn children disregarded by the party she's speaking for tonight.

Twitter must have an award for convoluted sentence structure.

229 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:04:46pm

re: #164 ElCapitanAmerica

I'm not saying that Dems don't promote their platform, I'm not sure the emphasis on abortion is really necessary. I'm talking more about a tactical matter, not so much as "being on the right side", at the end of the day being on the right side in my view is more about winning at this point. Sorry for sounding so brutally pragmatic, but I think there's a delicate balance to keep here which is more important on the strategy than on the purity of a message.

Again, the only reason I see for it is the "energize the base argument", let's not kid ourselves to think that these speeches are not coordinated to maximize an outcome after all (see the course correction on the Israel/God position, and the bad optics of having to amend it in the way it happened).

The Republican veep choice is a personhood supporter, and has specifically backed bills that define life as starting at conception, and got all "illegal is illegal" when the subject of prosecuting women seeking or obtaining abortion came up. The GOP platform wants a ban on abortion with no exceptions for health, rape, or incest. The GOP nominee is on record saying he'd be thrilled to sign a blanket ban on abortion.

I know I'm preaching to the choir for the most part on this board, but personhood and "life begins at conception" are problematic not just from a pro-choice perspective, but because the way the it defines human life means that a pregnant woman's health is not just the government's business, but that the woman is constantly under scrutiny of legal wrongdoing. There's even an issue--since the law defines life as starting at conception--that women suspected of having gotten an egg fertilized (such as a rape victim) is subject to scrutiny "for the sake of the 'child.'"

To implement personhood as-written (at least so far) absolutely requires restrictions on the rights of women. Most contraceptive options are out, since they prevent implantation. Planned Parenthood is defunded, with only a promisory note that equivalent services for low-income women will be provided somehow. And a trip to the OB/GYN nows incorporates the government wanting to know if you're pregnant...every time...as well as what your doctor is telling you and prescribing you. And if you end up with a dangerous pregnancy or pregnant while otherwise with a life-threatening (or damaging) condition, the government decides whether it's you or the baby.

That's what's at stake when the GOP says life begins at conception, or invokes Dredd Scott. That's why women's health and abortion are interlinked.

230 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:05:05pm

re: #227 HappyWarrior

The best hypocrites are the biggest moralists I think was what Wharton observed if I remember The Age of Innocence right.

I think it's the truth, more times than not.

231 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:05:37pm

I'm feeling blasphemous tonight.

232 allegro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:05:55pm

re: #218 Charles Johnson

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Someone ask this "journalist" of the suffering of children who go to bed hungry for lack of food, spend days home alone with parents both working 2 or 3 jobs to try to keep a roof over their heads, who become motherless or fatherless because their families have no health insurance and can't afford care. How about the living, Dana? Where are you?

233 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:06:06pm

Not nearly as tingly as last night. Has Bill been up yet?

234 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:06:26pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

I'm feeling blasphemous tonight.

I'm feeling like an independent once again. I won't register as a Democrat.

235 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:07:12pm

re: #231 Varek Raith

I'm feeling blasphemous tonight.

I thought I conquered it with a comment. Nada. We're just blase these days I guess.

236 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:07:30pm

re: #234 Gus

I'm feeling like an independent once again. I won't register as a Democrat.

I'm a registered jerk.
XD

237 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:07:41pm
238 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:08:10pm

Mitt Romney's campaign on Wednesday announced its Black Leadership Council,

chaired by Reps. Tim Scott and Allen West. The council will "help facilitate dialogue between Mitt Romney and respected leaders who provide unique expertise, experience and knowledge on a range of issues* impacting black American communities," according to the campaign.

*Including rooting out 80 Communists from the House
[Link: www.politico.com...]

239 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:08:42pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

My thoughts exactly. A few good speeches but nothing like the lineup from last night where just about every speech was pretty awesome.

240 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:09:03pm

re: #234 Gus

I'm feeling like an independent once again. I won't register as a Democrat.

I'm thinking of not voting again. I'll check if Oregon is a swing state and see if I feel different but I might stay home election day.

241 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:09:03pm

re: #236 Varek Raith

I'm a registered jerk.
XD

We live in a quasi-theocracy.

242 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:09:18pm

re: #233 Killgore Trout

Not nearly as tingly as last night. Has Bill been up yet?

I watched the Republican Convention and my leg didn't tingle it fell asleep.

243 erik_t  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:09:21pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

Has Twitter accelerated the quest for Maximum Derp Density? They used to be able to include a little padding around the crazy.

244 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:09:25pm

re: #220 OhNoZombies!

In my experience, the people in the front pews, who shout 'Jesus' the loudest are the ones you have to look out for...

The irony is that, again, the likes of Limbaugh, Loesch and Coulter probably never go to Church ...

245 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:09:36pm

re: #239 diamonda2u

My thoughts exactly. A few good speeches but nothing like the lineup from last night where just about every speech was pretty awesome.

This chick up now is bombing.

246 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:10:08pm

re: #242 Tigger2

I watched the Republican Convention and my leg didn't tingle it fell asleep.

Get checked for gout.

247 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:10:51pm

Who else is a heavy hitter tonight besides Bill Clinton? Yeah, this is not near the level of performance as last night, but may start getting better soon ...

248 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:10:57pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of not voting again. I'll check if Oregon is a swing state and see if I feel different but I might stay home election day.

Excellent statement KT. Even higher in our view you are.

249 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:00pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of not voting again.

That'll teach 'em!

250 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:17pm

Watched the 5 year engagement with my gf tonight... Still slightly disturbed.

251 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:26pm

re: #244 ElCapitanAmerica

The irony is that, again, the likes of Limbaugh, Loesch and Coulter probably never go to Church ...

And if they do, they are well photographed . .

252 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:31pm

re: #230 OhNoZombies!

I think it's the truth, more times than not.

From what I remember in the novel, the guy gossiping about other people's immorality was a huge adulterer himself.

253 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:11:32pm

Sandra Fluke is up soon. Berserk wingnut rage will ensue.

254 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:12:06pm

re: #246 Killgore Trout

Get checked for gout.

lol

255 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:12:16pm

re: #237 Charles Johnson

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Pro-Infantcide? --please . . .

256 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:12:31pm

re: #248 Stanley Sea

Excellent statement KT. Even higher in our view you are.

And he trolled me.

Fuck his crazy shit peeps.

257 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:12:32pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

Sandra Fluke is up soon. Berserk wingnut rage will ensue.

Crap, twitter is going to explode!!!!

258 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:13:09pm

50k tweets a second! Faster than the speed of snark!

259 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:13:52pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of not voting again. I'll check if Oregon is a swing state and see if I feel different but I might stay home election day.

Is 'president' the only thing on your ballot? No local issues, no state office candidates?

260 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:14:14pm

Undocumented first, slut next.

DNC!!!

261 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:14:15pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

Sandra Fluke is up soon. Berserk wingnut rage will ensue.

I had to laugh at a blurb a while back asking why Sandra was speaking the convention. I wanted to scream, "Because you didn't let her speak during the hearing in Congress"

I AM NOT FORGETTING!

262 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:14:37pm

re: #261 ggt

I had to laugh at a blurb a while back asking why Sandra was speaking the convention. I wanted to scream, "Because you didn't let her speak during the hearing in Congress"

I AM NOT FORGETTING!

Morons.

263 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:14:57pm

Oh, noes! Moar fact checks
Debbie Wasserman Schultz’s false accusation of a misquote

The Pinocchio Test

Klein’s quote was exactly accurate, meaning Wasserman Schultz falsely accused the Examiner of misquoting her. The DNC chair earns Four Pinocchios.

That was pretty easy, I think we all figured that out earlier this morning.

264 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:15:31pm
265 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:15:41pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

Is 'president' the only thing on your ballot? No local issues, no state office candidates?

I don't know. I don't follow local politics much.

266 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:15:45pm

fucked news registers shock and dismay at the existence of disagreement at a political convention

much comment sure to ensue as to how such a thing could happen

267 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:16:26pm

Undocumented, valedictorian AND a woman. Watch the freeper heads explode!!!!!

268 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:16:51pm

re: #265 Killgore Trout

I don't know. I don't follow local politics much.

Weird.

269 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:16:58pm

re: #154 diamonda2u

Didn't she date that d"Nouk Souza or whatever his name is at one time? If so...figures... oh, and she professes to be a Christian... nice character their Ann....

she also dated Bob Guccione Jr (aka The Gooch).

270 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:17:03pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

I'm thinking of not voting again. I'll check if Oregon is a swing state and see if I feel different but I might stay home election day.

Well, I didn't mean I won't vote for Obama. Just meant that I still don't line myself enough with the DNC to warrant registering.

271 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:17:32pm

Cristina!

272 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:17:38pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

Is 'president' the only thing on your ballot? No local issues, no state office candidates?

on second thought I think we have some new marijuana "legalization" initiatives that might get my interest. The issue is kind of meaningless on the local level, it's going to require federal decriminalization.

273 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:17:59pm

President showing up tonight!

274 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:18:07pm

re: #268 wrenchwench

Weird.

Troll.

275 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:18:09pm

re: #259 wrenchwench

Is 'president' the only thing on your ballot? No local issues, no state office candidates?

Too busy fighting the WAR ON FACTS! to worry about voting

276 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:19:01pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

Troll.

Image: burning-bridges.jpg

277 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:19:09pm

She reminds me of 28 people I know in Miami.

278 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:19:19pm

Obama showing up tonight, I wonder if it's because tonight has been so sedated. Although i expect the Clinton speech to be extremely exciting.

279 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:19:22pm

re: #270 Gus

Well, I didn't mean I won't vote for Obama. Just meant that I still don't line myself enough with the DNC to warrant registering.

I'll probably vote for Obama if it's close here in Oregon but if it's already in the bag I'll stay home.

280 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:20:09pm

I swear Cristina is my brother's mother-in-law.

281 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:20:17pm

Hey, I watch her show! I don't speak Spanish very well, but still I know what's going on.

282 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:20:36pm

MSNBC cutting Cristina off, how is she doing?

283 wheat-dogg  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:20:46pm

re: #174 Zionist Lord of Remulak

If I had to pick either Michelle or Ann for a night out on the town (when they were single, mind you), I'd pick Michelle. Ann would bore me to tears, even if she could pick up the tab.

284 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:21:00pm

They're going to use Fluke's speech tomorrow to justify Limbaugh being a douchebag to her. Sigh.

285 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:21:19pm

re: #282 ElCapitanAmerica

MSNBC cutting Cristina off, how is she doing?

The crowd is pretty subdued tonight.

286 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:21:50pm

I think she's really playing the crowd, they're hanging on her every word. Her popularity shows.

287 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:22:01pm

re: #272 Killgore Trout

on second thought I think we have some new marijuana "legalization" initiatives that might get my interest. The issue is kind of meaningless on the local level, it's going to require federal decriminalization.

Romney and his Supreme Court will trip over themselves to enable that. We'll be lucky if they don't re-do Prohibition.

288 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:22:23pm

re: #253 Charles Johnson

That's worth staying tune in... if only to hear "el walking heart attack Rushbo" lose it tomorrow...

289 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:23:09pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Romney and his Supreme Court will trip over themselves to enable that. We'll be lucky if they don't re-do Prohibition.

I think on drug issues it will be status quo regardless of who's elected. If I have a quarrel with one of Obama's policies, this is one. It's not enough to vote against him but it's a small disappointment to be sure for me.

290 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:23:20pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Romney and his Supreme Court will trip over themselves to enable that. We'll be lucky if they don't re-do Prohibition.

Will the mandatory magic underwear and 8 wives be government subsidized?
/

291 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:23:41pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

The crowd is pretty subdued tonight.

I have watched quite a few Conventions and it seems to me that the second night is usually more calm.

292 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:23:43pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

I'll probably vote for Obama if it's close here in Oregon but if it's already in the bag I'll stay home.

But... what about your Representative? Or is that going to be so lopsided that you figure you won't matter?

And how about your state legislators?

293 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:24:29pm

Actually this chick is annoying. I've already watched more than the Republican convention. This is pretty awful.

294 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:24:32pm

re: #276 Varek Raith

Image: burning-bridges.jpg

To infinity and beyond.

295 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:24:47pm

Tip O'Neill was right about politics being local. Really seeing a friend manage a delegate candidate's campaign up close really showed that to me.

296 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:24:59pm

Cristina is good specially for the Cuban vote btw ... you don't see Cuban's often talk about this issue publicly BTW

297 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:25:12pm

re: #279 Killgore Trout

I'll probably vote for Obama if it's close here in Oregon but if it's already in the bag I'll stay home.

What if the popular vote is close nationally? It's virtually guaranteed to be. If Obama wins the electoral but loses the popular vote the right wingers will go absolute ape shit, a real potential exists there for sovereign citizen militia shenanigans, localized civil disorder and violence.

298 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:25:24pm

I finally had to turn off CSPAN... I'll go back to hear Fluke only because it will drive Rushbo nuts tomorrow...

299 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:26:40pm

re: #287 Decatur Deb

Romney and his Supreme Court will trip over themselves to enable that. We'll be lucky if they don't re-do Prohibition.

Or the no coffee, cause it supports a socialist society type of thing. Freedom Fries with religion.

300 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:26:42pm

re: #298 diamonda2u

I finally had to turn off CSPAN... I'll go back to hear Fluke only because it will drive Rushbo nuts tomorrow...

Yeah, I won't last much longer.

301 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:27:20pm

Watch for the calls to boycott CarMax

302 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:27:39pm

I only listen to the big speeches in the main events.

303 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:28:03pm

The undercard is always there just to prep the crowd for the main event.

304 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:28:18pm

re: #300 Killgore Trout

I mean, not as bad as the RNC at all... but dang...they were on a roll that was historic last night, wish they would have kept it going this evening. I hope they bring it back tomorrow night.

305 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:29:06pm

re: #301 ElCapitanAmerica

Hahahahaha, yeah, from the party that says boycotts are communist...unless they are boycotts from conservatives... LOL

306 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:30:26pm

I'm looking forward to Elizabeth Warren's speech ...

307 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:15pm

re: #306 ElCapitanAmerica

I forgot about her tonight. Her's should be good if she sticks to her normal way of delivery.

308 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:39:45pm

re: #269 sagehen

she also dated Bob Guccione Jr (aka The Gooch).

One can love or hate Axl Rose, but I have always loved Guns N' Roses' callout of Guccione (and others) in Get in the Ring.

309 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:40:39pm

Choir's night to be preached.


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