Live Video: 2012 Dem Convention Day 2, Thread 2

Sandra Fluke, Bill Clinton, Elizabeth Warren
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Sandra Fluke will be speaking very soon, and here’s a second thread for the second day of the Democratic National Convention.

Here’s some of what the lovely people from breitbart.com have been tweeting tonight:

Looks like the new right wing talking point has emerged: “EVIL LIBS BOOED GOD!”

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470 comments
1 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:26:43pm

CARMAX!!

Um... er... why?

2 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:27:08pm

Car commercials? WTF is Car Max?

3 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:27:28pm

Because the political theater requires a show of business sympathy.

4 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:28:18pm

re: #1 freetoken

CARMAX!!

Um... er... why?

Soapy extra cleaning power of Ultralux Detergent gives me more time to campaign for Obama!

5 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:28:53pm

Made this mistake of tuning over to CNN only to see the fatuous phone hacker Piers Morgan blathering on. In one of the many articles written about the train wreck CNN has become, he was quoted as saying he's been asked to offer more of his opinions on air...as if anyone in the world is curious as to what is inside of that big empty head of his.

6 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:28:57pm

"Good roads and bridges"

7 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:28:58pm

He didn't built it! Outrage!

8 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:29:19pm

You can't vote for Obama in the dark. Use the Light-o-matic Liberal Lamp!

9 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:30:05pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Soapy extra cleaning power of Ultralux Detergent gives me more time to campaign for Obama!

Where's my washing machine?

MP3 Audio
10 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:30:12pm

re: #3 Major Tom

Because the political theater requires a show of business sympathy.

I get that but that dude just did a commercial for his company.

11 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:30:40pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I get that but that dude just did a commercial for his company.

Someone has to pay the bill.

12 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:30:48pm

With all due respect to you West Coasters, these damn things run 2 hours too late.

13 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:31:17pm

Maybe political campaigns ought to be like NASCAR, where all the sponsoring companies get to put their logos on the contestant?

14 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:10pm

I think I need a break. Clinton comes on at 10:25.
bbl

16 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:41pm
17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:52pm

Not a big deal but that Car Max commercial was something I haven't seen before in a political convention. Maybe it's always been around but I've never seen it presented so obviously before.

18 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:32:53pm

I have to wonder if all this stuff about small businesses is a response to the "YOU DIDN'T BUILD THAT" derp.

If so, it's a measure of how effective it can be to exploit the ignorance of the American public.

19 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:33:07pm

re: #15 Varek Raith

After Bucking Federal Judge On Early Voting, Ohio Secretary Of State Ordered To Appear In Court

Ruhoh!

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

20 allegro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:33:25pm

re: #5 bratwurst

Made this mistake of tuning over to CNN only to see the fatuous phone hacker Piers Morgan blathering on. In one of the many articles written about the train wreck CNN has become, he was quoted as saying he's been asked to offer more of his opinions on air...as if anyone in the world is curious as to what is inside of that big empty head of his.

Indeed. That's why I switched to PBS, delighted that I could find an alternative. CNN shows very little of the convention and speeches and a whole lot of their gasbags commenting on what they won't let me hear. Very annoying.

21 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:33:32pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

Small businesses can't afford the devastating economic policies(Socialist) of another Obama(Liberal) term, KT. You seem to always stumble over the crack in the sidewalk known as context. Jog it out.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:33:43pm

The Carmax guy's speech is crystal clear in both style and content. Easy to see how he took a moth-eaten and disreputable industry, used cars, and made it both respectable and profitable again.
CarMax at wikipedia

23 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:34:50pm

re: #17 Killgore Trout

Not a big deal but that Car Max commercial was something I haven't seen before in a political convention. Maybe it's always been around but I've never seen it presented so obviously before.

You forget the commercial for Bain Capital the Gop called a convention.

24 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:36:04pm

BTW, this car-gasm is one reason why environmentalists and climate change activists are rightly lukewarm about Obama.

25 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:36:42pm

re: #24 freetoken

BTW, this car-gasm is one reason why environmentalists and climate change activists are rightly lukewarm about Obama.

I thought it was his constant adoption of republican policies.

26 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:36:51pm

It isn't the word god that guy in the video is booing.

It is the Jerusalem reference. President Jimmy Carter thinks Israel is apartheid, and so do half the delegates.

27 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:36:53pm

I bought 2 new cars last year!

28 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:37:21pm

I do plan to get American car next...but honestly...my Honda has to die first before I even think about a new car. I just hope parts of my Honda were made int eh US Honda plants...but oh well, it is an 8 yr old car.

29 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:38:11pm

re: #27 Learned Mother of Zion

Come on Oprah spread the love around! I want a new car too!

30 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:38:16pm

Looks like Sandra Fluke isn't going to speak. This auto industry stuff was supposed to come after her speech.

31 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:38:31pm

re: #26 Buck

It isn't the word god that guy in the video is booing.

It is the Jerusalem reference. President Jimmy Carter thinks Israel is apartheid, and so do half the delegates.

Says the Canadian about America and Israel.

32 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:38:49pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Looks like Sandra Fluke isn't going to speak. This auto industry stuff was supposed to come after her speech.

what, no way

33 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:39:18pm

Was she really scheduled to speak tonight?

34 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:39:19pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Says the Canadian about America and Israel.

what exactly do you want to say about Canadians?

35 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:39:19pm

President Obama is no visionary, at least when it comes to matters of environment (and economics for that matter.)

And that is just the way it is.

36 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:39:45pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Says the Canadian about America and Israel.

Come on...he MIGHT just have had a Vulcan mind-meld going with all of the delegates there to know what they were doing and why!

37 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:40:05pm

re: #29 Major Tom

Come on Oprah spread the love around! I want a new car too!

Henry Ford had the right idea when he decided to pay his workers enough so that they could afford to buy his product.

38 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:40:26pm

re: #32 Stanley Sea

what, no way

Maybe they just changed the schedule up. Elizabeth Warren will be speaking too, right?

I thought these 3 speeches were all in the 10pm ET slot.

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:40:30pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Looks like Sandra Fluke isn't going to speak. This auto industry stuff was supposed to come after her speech.

I thought she was scheduled for tomorrow?

40 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:40:59pm

She might have been bumped to tomorrow, like Barney Frank.

41 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:41:11pm

re: #37 Learned Mother of Zion

Henry Ford had the right idea when he decided to pay his workers enough so that they could afford to buy his product.

I'll mention that to the boss tomorrow afternoon when he gets up and comes to work.

42 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:41:20pm

re: #34 Buck

what exactly do you want to say about Canadians?

Your investment into the US democratic situation is off balanced. As with your Israel interest. There's a disconnect.

43 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:41:39pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

She might have been bumped to tomorrow, like Barney Frank.

44 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:41:49pm

re: #39 Learned Mother of Zion

She was in the schedule I posted earlier today.

45 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:42:28pm

re: #43 Gus

Dana's disappointed she won't be able to get her hate on.

46 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:42:33pm

re: #30 Charles Johnson

Looks like Sandra Fluke isn't going to speak. This auto industry stuff was supposed to come after her speech.

I blame Auto-Max!
/

47 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:42:57pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Dana's disappointed she won't be able to get her hate on.

Yep.

48 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:43:14pm

re: #47 HappyWarrior

Yep.

Just alone time with the mirror then.

49 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:43:24pm

re: #45 Charles Johnson

Dana's disappointed she won't be able to get her hate on.

Oh they all are. Rush is working late tonight. RE-PROGRAM YOUR HATE

50 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:43:49pm

re: #34 Buck

what exactly do you want to say about Canadians?

they doon't have to woory aboot their fookin health care

51 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:44:37pm

Okay, home now...Manhattan in hand, MSNBC on the 55", dogs and cat lying next to me. Bring on the celebration.

52 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:45:16pm

re: #42 Stanley Sea

You're investment into the US democratic situation is off balanced. As with your Israel interest. There's a disconnect.

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

53 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:45:43pm

Putting the Bain on Romney now.

54 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:46:18pm

Making money without a moral compass... nice

55 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:46:44pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Buck, as always you are a right winger. We will never agree. Ever.

56 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:46:58pm

MSNBC is saying "Awaiting speeches from Sandra Fluke and Bill Clinton"

57 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:47:04pm

This would segue so nice into the 'son of a mill worker' speech, oh well.

58 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:47:09pm

re: #53 darthstar

Putting the Bain on Romney now.

Bain is the bane causing Romney's pain.

59 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:47:26pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Are you aware of the official position of the US about Jerusalem?

60 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:47:41pm

Jimmy Carter left the White House over 30 years ago. Give it a fucking rest already.

He's a former Democratic POTUS. Of course he's going to be at the DNC. He was invited to attend and accepted. That's a far cry better than the GOP, who couldn't see fit to invite Dubya to their suckfest.

61 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:47:45pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

Honored speaker? No
He was on a video is sub prime time
respected as a former president, yes

62 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:47:50pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

AND, the weakness of calling up the devil, Jimmy Carter.

63 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:48:17pm

re: #56 ElCapitanAmerica

MSNBC is saying "Awaiting speeches from Sandra Fluke and Bill Clinton"

They've gone way past the point where she was scheduled to speak. I think her speech has been bumped to tomorrow.

64 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:48:37pm

re: #60 Lidane

Jimmy Carter left the White House over 30 years ago. Give it a fucking rest already.

He's a former Democratic POTUS. Of course he's going to be at the DNC. He was invited to attend and accepted. That's a far cry better than the GOP, who couldn't see fit to invite Dubya to their suckfest.

YEAH, WHERE WAS W?

fakes

65 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:48:56pm

Well, I watched more than I did of the Republican convention but this is just has no appeal to me.

66 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:48:59pm

re: #63 Charles Johnson

They've gone way past the point where she was scheduled to speak. I think her speech has been bumped to tomorrow.

Wingnut tweeters are making all kinds of rude jokes now.

67 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:49:27pm

re: #60 Lidane

Jimmy Carter left the White House over 30 years ago. Give it a fucking rest already.

Most of the assholes talking shit about Carter weren't even born when he was President. And a lot of them were still pissing their beds when their idol Reagan was President.

68 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:49:58pm

Al Franken siting!

69 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:50:00pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Well, I watched more than I did of the Republican convention but this is just has no appeal to me.

The second act is usually darker, slower...

70 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:50:21pm

re: #67 darthstar

hehehehehehe pissin' in there beads...

71 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:50:47pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Well, I watched more than I did of the Republican convention but this is just has no appeal to me.

Oooh, you can go home. See ya.

72 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:50:56pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

At least we Democrats aren't ashamed of our former presidents. Where the fuck was old GWB at the RNC last week?

73 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:51:18pm

Fired Bain workers speaking now.

74 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:51:25pm

re: #58 freetoken

Bain is the bane causing Romney's pain.

The pain of Bain comes down like heavy rain.

75 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:21pm

This stuff is pretty powerful

76 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:38pm

Sounds like they are getting on message for the night now. Wish they had started earlier but I guess they thought 10pm was the time to do it...

77 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:43pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Well, I watched more than I did of the Republican convention but this is just has no appeal to me.

Lets see, you didn't watch last nights prime time line up (by your account) and now you dont want to watch the featured speakers tonight.

But you dont mind bitching about how bad they all are.

Carry on old man and yell at some clouds instead.

78 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:46pm

re: #40 Charles Johnson

She might have been bumped to tomorrow, like Barney Frank.

She and Barney may have been moved to Thursday because tonight is the NFL kickoff. Other than the Big Dog, no need for a lot of barn burners tonight. Save that for the lead up to PBO on Thursday.

79 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:50pm

re: #74 Interesting Times

The pain of Bain comes down like heavy rain.

On the plain where once grew grain, not cocaine.

80 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:52pm

I was kind of hoping the Dems would stick with the positive pro-Obama stuff. Obama's original appeal was his 2004 speech at the Dem convention when the Dems were bitter and gloomy and negative. He stood out with a positive message which he also repeated in his 2008 campaign. This is an anti Mitt hate fest. I don't like Mitt either but this is just stupid.

81 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:52:54pm

re: #65 Killgore Trout

Not enough pepper spray for your tastes?

82 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:08pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

--->

And, by the way, the notion that the U.S. should move its embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem (which is what this dispute is ultimately about) is a flawed one. In a perfect world, the U.S. would move the embassy to a neighborhood of West Jerusalem that has been part of Israel since the state's founding, but it's not a perfect world, and the U.S. -- and Israel -- need Arab support on many different issues, including counterterrorism and Iran. Moving the embassy would cause an eruption in the Middle East, where people have been led to believe by propagandists that Jews have no right to Jerusalem, and no connection to Jerusalem. Again, in a perfect world, this wouldn't be so, but reality is what it is. Why the U.S. should waste political capital on an issue like this when there is so much actual work to be done is beyond me.

83 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:09pm

re: #75 ElCapitanAmerica

After yesterday this is pretty, "Meh."

84 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:12pm

re: #10 Killgore Trout

I get that but that dude just did a commercial for his company.

I thought that rock-ribbed conservatives such as yourself just looovvved unfettered capitalism...

85 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:27pm

re: #66 Learned Mother of Zion

Yeah. 'Cause having actual 'everyday' people tell their stories about how their lives were affected by the practices of the guy running for President on the GOP ticket vs. a women who was erroneously shamed as a 'slut' is such great material for a joke or two. That says quite a bit about them.

86 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:53:54pm

re: #76 diamonda2u

Sounds like they are getting on message for the night now. Wish they had started earlier but I guess they thought 10pm was the time to do it...

Sorry East Coaster. I'm not at 7 yet. Long night.

87 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:54:06pm

Back to Cspan because MSNBC decided to talk over Van Hollen.

88 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:54:18pm

re: #80 Killgore Trout

This is demonstrably false.

89 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:54:43pm

re: #77 blueraven

heh.

90 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:54:47pm

A company in my town that employed over 1000 people was bought by a venture capital co like bain, it didn't make it a year before they shut it down.

91 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:54:57pm

re: #87 diamonda2u

CSPAN is my friend.

Brought to you by your local cable monopoly company.

92 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:55:08pm

re: #77 blueraven

Lets see, you didn't watch last nights prime time line up (by your account) and now you dont want to watch the featured speakers tonight.

But you dont mind bitching about how bad they all are.

Carry on old man and yell at some clouds instead.

And he didn't vote last time and is thinking about not voting now.

Seriously a Face in the Crowd moment tonight.

93 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:55:55pm

I really liked that auto industry video!

94 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:56:48pm

MSNBC says awaiting speeches from Sandra fluke & Bill Clinton. I think they may have rescheduled her for the following hour because putting her in front of a bunch of business, union and worker speakers didn't make much sense thematically. Now expecting her to either introduce or follow Elizabeth Warren.

95 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:56:57pm

re: #90 Tigger2

I don't mind the turnaround side of Bain and companies like it, it's the "force the acquired company to take out a giant, irrational loan so we can suck the cash out" side that's a problem.

96 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:57:38pm
97 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:58:07pm

re: #95 jaunte

I don't mind the turnaround side of Bain and companies like it, it's the "force the acquired company to take out a giant, irrational loan so we can suck the cash out" side that's a problem.

That's what they did.

98 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:58:25pm

re: #95 jaunte

Nuance is the essence of Communism. It's a gate-way drug.//

99 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 6:58:29pm

re: #95 jaunte

I don't mind the turnaround side of Bain and companies like it, it's the "force the acquired company to take out a giant, irrational loan so we can suck the cash out" side that's a problem.

And pay themselves a bigass bonus.

100 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:00:03pm

re: #99 Learned Mother of Zion

And taking a big management fee in exchange for forcing a company to over-borrow is the height of hypocrisy for a self-proclaimed "fiscal conservative."

101 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:00:27pm

re: #99 Learned Mother of Zion

And pay themselves a bigass bonus.

The fees for doing what they did. The fees. Huge. Hell, that's Bain's survival. The Fees.

Oh, and how we hid stocks into 401K's of our officers.

102 Robert O.  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:00:50pm

Well.....whatever keeps some people happy I guess. Personally, neither Jerusalem nor "God" should be on the platform. First, Israel is not America. I don't see a platform confirming London as the capital of the UK or Beijing as the capital of China. Whatever another country's capital is, it is none of our business. Second, I am just sick and tired of the insidious influence of religion making its way in the center of US politics. It is time to knock it off. Religion has absolutely no place in ANY country's politics. That goes for ANY religion and ANY country.

103 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:00:53pm

dun dun dun!

104 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:00:59pm

Obama's accepting the nomination tonight.

105 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:01:04pm

re: #94 goddamnedfrank

Nailed it.

106 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:01:09pm

Hmm here she is... long night tonite

107 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:01:15pm

Rachel said Bill and Sandra next

108 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:01:19pm

Charles drumming up suspense... will she? I don't know... :)

109 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:01:22pm

re: #90 Tigger2

A company in my town that employed over 1000 people was bought by a venture capital co like bain, it didn't make it a year before they shut it down.

Bain is not a VC ...re: #63 Charles Johnson

They've gone way past the point where she was scheduled to speak. I think her speech has been bumped to tomorrow.

Told ya, she's on now.

110 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:02:14pm

I go to start some stir-fry going and bam, there's Sandra Fluke.

111 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:02:19pm

He's accepting tonight? Really?

113 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:02:28pm

re: #26 Buck

Well, I'll be! I thought you fell in a deep, dark hole somewhere, because I haven't seen you in a bit; it's a shame that your DERPITY DERP routine couldn't have met that fate though.

114 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:03:01pm

re: #112 The Ghost of a Flea

We're going to need to see a fact-checking license.

115 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:03:16pm
116 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:03:58pm

"A man who won't stand up to any of those slurs or to any of the voices in his own, bigoted, party."
--Sandra Fluke on Mitt Romney.

Ouch.

117 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:04:07pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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Well Dana maybe if your party wasn't so concerned with other people having access to it...............But waaaaaaaah.

118 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:04:10pm

re: #112 The Ghost of a Flea

*Sigh*

Breitbart is "fact checking" Michelle Obama's speech. Dim Hoft is "fact checking" in a piece subtitled "Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown Than Bush Ever Did."

These people are just terrible. John Sununu doubts that Michelle's dress only cost $350. I guess that was his way of saying she looked just that damn good.

119 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:04:27pm

re: #115 Charles Johnson

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Thanks for providing my reply access.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:04:37pm

re: #64 Stanley Sea

YEAH, WHERE WAS W?

fakes

They barely tolerated him last time.

121 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:04:50pm

re: #116 darthstar

"A man who won't stand up to any of those slurs or to any of the voices in his own, bigoted, party."
--Sandra Fluke on Mitt Romney.

Ouch.

The truth hurts and she's right. The way Romney responded to Limbaugh calling her a slut is how a coward responds.

122 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:05:36pm

re: #121 HappyWarrior

The truth hurts and she's right. The way Romney responded to Limbaugh calling her a slut is how a coward responds.

"President Mitt Romney" - not the words I would choose.

123 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:05:54pm

re: #118 moderatelyradicalliberal

These people are just terrible. John Sununu doubts that Michelle's dress only cost $350. I guess that was his way of saying she looked just that damn good.

Isn't Sununu one of Romney's top surrogates and defacto campaign spokesman? Really you're worried about the cost of her dress when your candidate got a tax deduction on a dancing horse. What planet are these guys from?

124 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:06:01pm
125 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:06:46pm

re: #122 darthstar

"President Mitt Romney" - not the words I would choose.

Ha, not words I want to hear but yeah what a dipshit response. I mean really how hard was it. I guess poor Mitt was afraid that Rush would say he wasn't a real conservative. That kind of shit means more to Mitt than having any sense of decency.

126 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:06:47pm

She's good at the sound-bites.

127 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:06:59pm

WHOO

128 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:07:09pm

What time does Clinton speak tonight? I've got the Cowboys/Giants game on at the moment.

129 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:07:49pm

Nice!

130 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:07:55pm

This hour brought to you by COSTCO!

131 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:07:59pm

re: #118 moderatelyradicalliberal

John Sununu doubts that Michelle's dress only cost $350.

Sununu IS a noted women's fashion expert, after all.

132 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:08:16pm

re: #128 Lidane

What time does Clinton speak tonight? I've got the Cowboys/Giants game on at the moment.

[Link: twitter.com...]

133 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:08:21pm

'A country where we mean it, when we talk about our personal freedom.'

Awesome.

134 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:08:53pm

Was that Medea Benjamin? Not wearing hot pink and trying to steal the show?

135 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:08:54pm

re: #125 HappyWarrior

He was trying to win a nomination, for Pete's sake!

136 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:09:13pm
137 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:09:43pm
138 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:09:47pm

re: #126 freetoken

She's good at the sound-bites.

Yeah she is, she's as good as the Republican are at sound bites.

139 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:09:47pm

Costco is communist///

140 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:01pm

re: #102 Robert O.

Well.....whatever keeps some people happy I guess. Personally, neither Jerusalem nor "God" should be on the platform. First, Israel is not America. I don't see a platform confirming London as the capital of the UK or Beijing as the capital of China. Whatever another country's capital is, it is none of our business.

The foreign policy section is quite long, and mentions quite a number of countries by name. It even gives a shout out to Joseph Kony, personally.

141 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:06pm

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

142 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:27pm

Just heard that Clinton has something like a 69 percent approval rating. If he makes a solid speech for Obama here, I think that will help Obama especially with voters concerned with the economy. I've seen the ad with Bill arguing for Obama and against Romney and it's a good one.

143 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:37pm

re: #139 Petero1818

Costco is communist///

COSTCO!
CARMAX!
COMMUNISM!

They all start with "C", it's true!

144 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:43pm
145 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:54pm

re: #137 darthstar

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l o l

retweeted, and now, all my political peeps.

Deal

146 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:10:58pm

re: #136 Lidane

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We clinically dissect these events. We are not passive viewers.

147 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:11:01pm

re: #140 SanFranciscoZionist

The foreign policy section is quite long, and mentions quite a number of countries by name. It even gives a shout out to Joseph Kony, personally.

Moreover, there are few if any other countries where the domestic capital is not recognized as such internationally.

148 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:11:17pm

re: #112 The Ghost of a Flea

*Sigh*

Breitbart is "fact checking" Michelle Obama's speech. Dim Hoft is "fact checking" in a piece subtitled "Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown Than Bush Ever Did."

WTF? Maybe Dim should try blaming Obama for Pearl Harbor too. It would make about as much sense. Oh, wait, my evil wingnut twin has found a way:

Like all liberal Democrats, Obama cites Franklin Delano Roosevelt as a role model and inspiration. This is the same FDR, liberal and tool of bankers, who provoked the Japanese by cutting off the scrap iron and oil they needed for their police action in China and who then denied our forces the intelligence they needed to prepare for attack. These machinations appealed to liberal cultists then, and they echo down the years, music to the ears of present day liberals like Obama. What future Pearl Harbors can our present generation of white people patriots expect from this scheming black guy usurper?

149 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:11:19pm
150 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:11:57pm

re: #147 Petero1818

Moreover, there are few if any other countries where the domestic capital is not recognized as such internationally.

That too.

151 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:12:02pm

re: #116 darthstar

"A man who won't stand up to any of those slurs or to any of the voices in his own, bigoted, party."
--Sandra Fluke on Mitt Romney.

Ouch.

I loved the little drip of contempt in her voice when she said that :) She sounds like she despises Mitt Romney more than I do, and I didn't think that was possible :P

152 Major Tom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:12:02pm

re: #149 bratwurst

no kardashians then.

153 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:12:23pm
154 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:12:36pm

Chuck Woolery, host of "The Love Connection", is an asshole.

155 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:13:23pm

re: #154 darthstar

Yes, yes he is.

156 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:13:27pm

Ok! I'm back from Miami! The Bris went well, and I had an added bonus: I met Jeff Bezos in the elevator of the Viceroy hotel. Turns out he was there for his 30th class reunion (Palmetto High School, class of '82)

157 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:13:46pm

re: #154 darthstar

Chuck Woolery, host of "The Love Connection", is an asshole.

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Hey Woolery Fuck You.

158 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:13:55pm

re: #154 darthstar

I'll grant he's an expert in hair gel and tanning products.

159 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:14:19pm

re: #118 moderatelyradicalliberal

These people are just terrible. John Sununu doubts that Michelle's dress only cost $350. I guess that was his way of saying she looked just that damn good.

Michelle Obama's clothing and their cost are constantly harped on at Freeperville, et cetera, as though the money for them was on the taxpayer's tab or something. Also, it shows she's an elitist or something. And I'm pretty damn sure that it has something to do with race, because its one of those damned if you do/damned if you don't games: the standard is that black people can either have nice things or be authentic.

160 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:15:04pm

re: #83 Major Tom

After yesterday this is pretty, "Meh."

The high-profile speakers tonight are in the last hour (Fluke, Warren, Costco Founder Senegal, and Bill Clinton), along with the official Obama nomination.

161 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:16:07pm

Elizabeth Warren's big moment starts now...

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:16:23pm

re: #161 Charles Johnson

Elizabeth Warren's big moment starts now...

Just in time then.

163 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:16:32pm
164 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:16:36pm

Subdued crowd!
/

165 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:17:08pm

re: #159 The Ghost of a Flea

If *I* ever become first lady (unlikely, given that I'm a man, but you never know what life has in store for you) I'd wear a nice dress to major events, too. So what! I don't get the hoopla.

166 Belafon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:17:16pm

re: #148 Shiplord Kirel

police action in China

I think I seriously need to go "police action" at Hoft's house.

167 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:17:55pm

Chuck Woolery...

married 4 times.

168 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:18:20pm

re: #165 ReamWorks SKG

If *I* ever become first lady (unlikely, given that I'm a man, but you ever know what life has in store for you) I'd wear a nice dress to major events, too. So what! I don't get the hoopla.

You'd wear a nice dress to a bris...but we like that about you.

169 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:18:40pm

Chants of Warren. They love her.

170 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:19:18pm

re: #167 Gus

Chuck Woolery...

married 4 times.

With an attitude like his I'm not surprised.

171 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:19:31pm

re: #168 darthstar

No, I just wore a jacket (Brooks Brothers!). No tie, because it's HOT in Miami.

Image: 7916872018_931733c3e3_b.jpg

172 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:19:32pm

re: #165 ReamWorks SKG

Do you think they'd react differently no matter what she wore? Hell no. That crap is completely insane.

173 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:19:44pm

re: #154 darthstar

Chuck Woolery, host of "The Love Connection", is an asshole.

Reality has officially been edited such the Fluke was demanding whore pills for her whore lifestyle while reeking of patchouli and waving a welfare check rather than making a point about her friend who needed hormonal contraceptives for a medical issues, because

Accusation of Whore-ishness >> Linear Flow of Factual Events with reality

174 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:20:36pm

Warren gets large cheers when talking about her family.

175 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:20:50pm

The system is rigged against us. Warren speaking truth.

176 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:21:03pm

Woolery does these ads on the Rush Limbaugh show for an alternative AARP that embraces conservative values.

[Link: www.generationamerica.org...]

177 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:21:09pm

re: #175 darthstar

The system is rigged against us. Warren speaking truth.

And she'll get called a commie for saying that. But she's right.

178 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:21:52pm

re: #171 ReamWorks SKG

No, I just wore a jacket (Brooks Brothers!). No tie, because it's HOT in Miami.

Image: 7916872018_931733c3e3_b.jpg

Aw...that kid's got a "You're gonna cut my what?!?" look on his face.

179 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:22:14pm

re: #178 darthstar

ummm....I think he had it done 7 years earlier.

180 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:22:31pm

re: #168 darthstar

You'd wear a nice dress to a bris...but we like that about you.

Nice coat, by the way.

181 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:22:35pm

Awesome Liz, get em'

182 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:22:38pm
183 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:22:52pm

re: #179 ReamWorks SKG

ummm....I think he had it done 7 years earlier.

Heh...

184 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:23:27pm

Ok! It's time to practice the piano! See you all tomorrow.

185 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:25:00pm

This is all true and unfortunately she will be made out like she hates America and the American system because she's daring to criticize unpleasant parts of the reality of the economy.

186 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:25:18pm

Warren is good with sound-bites too.

187 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:25:37pm

When the schoolmarms, the sluts, and the nuns are ganging up on you, you need a new plan.

188 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:26:09pm
189 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:26:15pm

re: #186 freetoken

Warren is good with sound-bites too.

But she's good at telling the truth.

190 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:26:34pm

re: #186 freetoken

Warren is good with sound-bites too.

Yeah, I'm impressed that this is a woman running for her first elected office. And oh my god zing!

191 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:27:19pm

Oh man she totally destroyed corporations are people too my friend.

192 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:27:59pm

re: #72 moderatelyradicalliberal

At least we Democrats aren't ashamed of our former presidents. Where the fuck was old GWB at the RNC last week?

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

193 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:28:19pm
194 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:28:25pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

Oh man. Shut up.

195 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:28:38pm
196 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:28:45pm

Where no one can steal your purse on main street or your pension on wall street....wow

197 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:28:59pm

re: #55 Stanley Sea

Buck, as always you are a right winger. We will never agree. Ever.

We don't have to agree, but we should be able to have different opinions without name calling.

198 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:29:00pm

The Obama camp are scarily organized and merciless with their email campaign. I just got an email from Bill Clinton telling me it's urgent I send cash.

199 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:29:02pm
200 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:29:02pm

Warren is nailing it with this speech.

You can tell her teaching background in the mannerisms.

201 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:29:13pm

SCRIPTURE!!

202 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:29:23pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

Most living Americans have no memory of the Carter administration. Myself included, and I'm 36.

203 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:30:02pm

re: #154 darthstar

Chuck Woolery, host of "The Love Connection", is an asshole.

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204 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:30:06pm

re: #198 Lidane

I just got an email from Bill Clinton telling me it's urgent I send cash.

I get those from Nigeria all the time.

205 Coracle  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:30:24pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

But bush is off limits. Don't be (any more of) a dick.

206 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:30:53pm

re: #192 Buck

...and Reagan?/ Never mind. I don't wanna make this thread about you.

207 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:00pm

re: #202 Mocking Jay

Most living Americans have no memory of the Carter administration. Myself included, and I'm 36.

It is what he did in the last 15 years that you should know about. In relation to Israel specifically.

208 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:02pm

Is that enough "God" for you, Tea-folk?

209 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:03pm
210 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:14pm

Awesome

211 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:18pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

People under 40 barely remember Carter being POTUS at all, and no one under 30 would even know him outside of history class. Give it a fucking rest already.

212 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:26pm

re: #209 ElCapitanAmerica

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That's a smart move. Link the two together.

213 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:30pm

re: #207 Buck

It is what he did in the last 15 years that you should know about. In relation to Israel specifically.

It's insignificant at best.

214 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:31:46pm

re: #207 Buck

It is what he did in the last 15 years that you should know about. In relation to Israel specifically.

I really don't care what he did in the last 15 years. He hasn't held any position of authority since I was 4.

215 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:32:19pm

re: #204 freetoken

I get those from Nigeria all the time.

I get them from republican I just hit reply and say piss off.

216 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:32:58pm

re: #207 Buck

It is what he did in the last 15 years that you should know about. In relation to Israel specifically.

We are talking about the American election.
Not Israel elections.
I don't give two shits about Carter.

217 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:32:58pm

Don't stop believing.

218 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:33:23pm

The booing was against the resolution to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and against the ruling of the chair that a roughly evenly split voice vote was a 2/3 majority in favor of that resolution. Here's a link with the feed from the convention. About half the convention boos recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli's capital.

219 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:33:57pm

Compare and contrast how Clinton is highlighted vs Bush not even being invited ...

220 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:33:59pm

Right wingers call him ... the Clenis.

221 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:10pm

re: #218 lostlakehiker

The booing was against the resolution to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and against the ruling of the chair that a roughly evenly split voice vote was a 2/3 majority in favor of that resolution. Here's a link with the feed from the convention. About half the convention boos recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli's capital.

I'd boo that too.
It's needless grandstanding on our part.

222 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:35pm

I think the RNC can't understand Obama is not afraid or jealous of Bill Clinton

223 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:41pm

Damn, I miss the 90s ...

224 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:34:45pm

Yes! The Big Dog. This should be good. :D

225 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:35:03pm

re: #200 RadicalModerate

Warren is nailing it with this speech.

You can tell her teaching background in the mannerisms.

Can you tell that she's an Indian? (I thought not.)

226 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:35:21pm

re: #218 lostlakehiker

The booing was against the resolution to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and against the ruling of the chair that a roughly evenly split voice vote was a 2/3 majority in favor of that resolution. Here's a link with the feed from the convention. About half the convention boos recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli's capital.

Bullshit.

227 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:35:21pm

Ah 1992 what a fun year that was. For some of my disagreements with Bill Clinton, he was a fun president to come of age under.

228 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:35:45pm

oooh

229 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:36:07pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

For what? Inheiriting double-digit inflation, a mideast oil embargo, and the aftermath of a completely corrupt Nixon administration that literally destroyed the trust in federal government?

If you objectively look at what he did, he wasn't the best that the United States ever had, but he by and far wasn't the worst. Honestly, his big failing was due to the fact that he trusted TOO much in the goodness of people, and it came back to bite him.

230 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:36:16pm

I've watched this man go from being treated like the worst president ever for having an affair to being a statesman.

231 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:36:22pm

Going silent for the next 30 minutes or so...Want to enjoy this.

232 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:36:58pm

re: #225 lostlakehiker

Can you tell that she's an Indian? (I thought not.)

You couldn't tell by looking at me and yet I would be considered Cherokee by their standards.
Also Blackfoot Indian.

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:37:21pm

On a Fleetwood Mac, the new CD with covers of them is pretty cool. I liked Best Coast's cover of Rhiannon.

234 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:37:24pm

Just the sound of his voice is giving me a WSJ-editorial-page-secret-flights-into-Mena-airport flashback.

235 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:37:33pm

re: #231 darthstar

Going silent for the next 30 minutes or so...Want to enjoy this.

Same. Back later.

236 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:37:34pm

oh, man. Awesome.

237 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:37:39pm

hahaha, you could almost sense Clinton would have loved to marry Michelle, lol!

238 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:37:53pm

Who in the hell nominated RMoney? I forget

239 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:01pm

re: #237 ElCapitanAmerica

hahaha, you could almost sense Clinton would have loved to marry Michelle, lol!

Smart man!

240 allegro  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:02pm

Clinton is rocking it. The Big Dog still barks.

241 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:05pm

re: #225 lostlakehiker

Can you tell that she's an Indian? (I thought not.)

No, but after that comment I can tell all sorts of things about you.

242 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:14pm

Oh

Bill!

BARNBURNER

243 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:30pm

re: #226 Gus

Bullshit.

You can just look at the link. The post is not an opinion. It's a report of fact.

244 Coracle  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:44pm

Holy hell. Clinton rocks.

245 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:38:53pm

re: #241 Mocking Jay

No, but after that comment I can tell all sorts of things about you.

That I disapprove of fraud? Shrewd and perceptive, you are.

246 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:39:25pm

re: #245 lostlakehiker

That I disapprove of fraud? Shrewd and perceptive, you are.

No, no that slipped past me.

247 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:39:35pm

re: #229 RadicalModerate

For what?

For being an Anti-Semite. For saying that Israel is apartheid, when he knows better. For defending Hamas every chance he gets.

Well, you asked.

248 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:39:44pm

re: #243 lostlakehiker

You can just look at the link. The post is not an opinion. It's a report of fact.

Bologna. There's hardly any booing and mostly disappointment at the odd way in which it was passed. The voice vote clearly sounds like it's split 50/50.

249 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:39:50pm

re: #225 lostlakehiker

Can you tell that she's an Indian? (I thought not.)

Nice.

You gonna call President Obama a mulatto next?

250 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:40:04pm

Man we're being trolled tonight.

251 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:40:32pm

No one said there'd be math.

252 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:40:32pm

re: #250 Gus

Man we're being trolled tonight.

Take my +1 tomahawk.

253 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:40:39pm

re: #211 Lidane

People under 40 barely remember Carter being POTUS at all, and no one under 30 would even know him outside of history class. Give it a fucking rest already.

Being scandalized by Carter is preferable to stopping and considering the Reagan sold weapons to Israel's enemy Iran...

...or contemplating that many current Republicans care about Israel because of their interpretation role in the Book of Revelations...

...or that Republicans like to hang out with pastors that view Jews as rightly hounded by God (Hagee, LaHaye), as well as John Birch Society members that perpetuate anti-Semitic canards about International Jewish banking cabals.

254 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:40:42pm

You know for a guy who was last elected sixteen years ago, Bill can still give a hell of a speech.

255 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:40:53pm

Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel...

256 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:04pm

re: #218 lostlakehiker

The booing was against the resolution to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, and against the ruling of the chair that a roughly evenly split voice vote was a 2/3 majority in favor of that resolution. Here's a link with the feed from the convention. About half the convention boos recognizing Jerusalem as Israeli's capital.

Much thanks for posting the video. Although I generally support Israel, I see the capital in Jerusalem as some sort of weird campaign promise that candidates never adhere to once in office. However, there's some very funky shit going down in regards to Robert's Rules of Order in that video. I don;t know if this is a big deal or not but that motion and its passage doesn;t look right to me.

257 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:06pm

re: #247 Buck

For being an Anti-Semite. For saying that Israel is apartheid, when he knows better. For defending Hamas every chance he gets.

Well, you asked.

Reagan sold weapons to Iran.
Illegally.

258 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:08pm

I like that Strauss quote.

259 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:45pm

re: #245 lostlakehiker

That I disapprove of fraud? Shrewd and perceptive, you are.

Crawl back in your hole

260 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:41:51pm

re: #250 Gus

Man we're being trolled tonight.

Yep, a lot of sour grapes.

261 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:42:01pm

WHOA.

262 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:42:11pm

Heh. Clinton embracing Ike.

263 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:42:40pm
264 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:23pm
265 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:27pm

Genealogy is fun.

266 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:30pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

Reagan sold weapons to Iran.
Illegally.

Israel was happy to supply them. Iran was going to use them on Iraq. Iran was almost losing that war, and frankly that would have been bad.

keeping the fight going until they exhausted themselves seemed like a good idea at the time.

267 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:35pm

Bill is calling the GOP out on their bullshit! YES!

268 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:42pm

hahahaha the peeps concern trolling about Clinton's speech being not vetted.

LIKE CLINT'S

COOPERATION

269 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:43:45pm

Bill Clinton is f'n DESTROYING the Teahadists right now.

270 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:44:14pm

re: #266 Buck

Israel was happy to supply them. Iran was going to use them on Iraq. Iran was almost losing that war, and frankly that would have been bad.

keeping the fight going until they exhausted themselves seemed like a good idea at the time.

That sounds like a retarded plan.
Cause, you know, it worked so well when we armed the mujaheddin.

271 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:44:44pm

re: #268 Stanley Sea

hahahaha the peeps concern trolling about Clinton's speech being not vetted.

LIKE CLINT'S

COOPERATION

Unlike Clint, Bill is talking to filled seats...

272 Coracle  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:44:57pm

re: #266 Buck

You just keep masturbating campaigning against Carter, Buck. Have a wonderful time.

273 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:45:29pm

Killing it.

274 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:45:57pm

'Boy that was a nonstarter and they threw him out.' - heh.

275 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:05pm

re: #273 Stanley Sea

Killing it.

Yeah he is.

276 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:21pm

re: #256 Killgore Trout

I don;t know if this is a big deal or not but that motion and its passage doesn;t look right to me.

You are correct. It was defeated. However the script said he had to pass it and he did. The truth is that the delegates don't want it.

The language about Hamas is still missing.

277 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:26pm

1 Two bad guys stand before you.
2 You arm one in hopes he takes the other out.
3 ???
4 Walk away unscathed.
#winning!

278 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:39pm

God DAMN I love this man. I voted for him twice and I'd do it again.

279 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:39pm

re: #272 Coracle

You just keep masturbating campaigning against Carter, Buck. Have a wonderful time.

Remember, he's Canadian. No scratch in this deal.

280 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:46pm

re: #255 Gus

Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel, Israel...

Take Israel out of the equation and insert anything else (pineapple on pizza or whatever) in its place. Regardless of the issue at hand doesn't that video look suspect? It looks to me that they were ramming through an issue regardless of consensus. It might be the editing, or the mic from the crowd, the confused reaction and repeated attempts from the speaker but that doesn't look right to me.

281 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:46:57pm

whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Hilareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

282 Buck  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:47:06pm

re: #270 Varek Raith

That sounds like a retarded plan.
Cause, you know, worked so well when we armed the mujaheddin.

Well you are so smart. I am sure you are right.

283 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:47:24pm

re: #266 Buck

... seemed like a good idea at the time.

A demonstration of how much conservatives suck at long term thinking. Ignorant, reactionary, short sighted pud whackery is their strong suit.

284 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:47:35pm

re: #282 Buck

Well you are so smart. I am sure you are right.

Smart enough not to arm a known enemy of my country.

285 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:47:49pm

re: #280 Killgore Trout

Take Israel out of the equation and insert anything else (pineapple on pizza or whatever) in its place. Regardless of the issue at hand doesn't that video look suspect? It looks to me that they were ramming through an issue regardless of consensus. It might be the editing, or the mic from the crowd, the confused reaction and repeated attempts from the speaker but that doesn't look right to me.

Yes. That's exactly what I'm seeing too. The whole thing looks like it was rammed through. In the end though I'm going to give his a pass. We need to move on.

286 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:48:00pm

re: #276 Buck

You are correct. It was defeated. However the script said he had to pass it and he did. The truth is that the delegates don't want it.

The language about Hamas is still missing.

Language about Hamas? What's that about?

287 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:48:07pm

Bill Clinton knocking it out of the park tonight.

288 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:48:17pm

re: #284 Varek Raith

Smart enough not to arm a known enemy of my country.

Especially one that took our citizens hostages. But yeah Iran-Contra was great.

289 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:48:31pm

LOL arguing Israel while President Clinton is KILLING IT.

peeps

290 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:48:45pm

re: #289 Stanley Sea

LOL arguing Israel while President Clinton is KILLING IT.

peeps

Multitasking!

291 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:48:53pm

re: #276 Buck

You are correct. It was defeated. However the script said he had to pass it and he did. The truth is that the delegates don't want it.

The language about Hamas is still missing.

Why is the language on FARC missing?

292 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:49:11pm

Heck, he even appointed Hillary. Yeah, and I have to admit I didn't like that but she's been a very good SoS.

293 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:49:17pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

I am, in fact, deeply ashamed of you...but that is another matter entirely.

294 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:49:19pm

re: #291 Gus

Why is the language on FARC missing?

Or Aleph?

295 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:49:19pm

Someone is trying to change the topic of conversation here. Someone is...

296 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:50:00pm

re: #267 Sionainn

Bill is calling the GOP out on their bullshit! YES!

Yeah, people would do well to remember that the GOP, not the Dems, painted itself into the corner it's currently in. Stop projecting and grousing at us because your party is fucked up.

297 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:50:07pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

Or Aleph?

Fill in the blanks. So dumb. The GOP platform is crazy from front to end. These guys are freaking out about 2 words.

298 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:50:14pm

re: #293 celticdragon

I am, in fact, deeply ashamed of you...but that is another matter entirely.

Oh he's not one of ours. He's Canadian.

299 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:50:36pm

Out of the park

Best thing to have young presidents, they will haunt your asses FOREVER.

300 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:50:39pm

re: #294 Varek Raith

Or Aleph?

Not to mention Galapagos tortoises.

Where were the tortoises?

301 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:51:08pm

re: #299 Stanley Sea

Out of the park

Best thing to have young presidents, they will haunt your asses FOREVER.

Hard to believe he's only a year older than Romney isn't it?

302 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:51:27pm

'We left him a total mess..he hadn't cleaned it up fast enough, so hire me!' - awesome.

303 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:52:07pm

Their number one priority wasn't to put the American people to work but to the put the president out of work.

304 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:52:18pm

Damn. He just pulled a Reagan.

305 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:52:29pm

this is so cool. I'm loving my life and Bill C

306 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:52:31pm

Channeling Reagan. heh!

307 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:52:36pm

Ouch.

Clinton just invoked Reagan against the Republican plan.

308 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:53:00pm

Hahahaha....he just channeled Reagan. Fucking awesome.

309 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:53:58pm

re: #283 goddamnedfrank

A demonstration of how much conservatives suck at long term thinking. Ignorant, reactionary, short sighted pud whackery is their strong suit.

It was important that we assist the Nicaraguan contras--who were, of course, remnants of the right-wing Somoza dictatorship--with their strategic nun rape agenda.

But hey, all we did was provide weapons so one dictatorship could slaughter the child soldiers of another dictatorship. It's not like the whole thing was futile.

310 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:54:00pm

Oh the HORROR they feared of his unvetted speech.

CLINT BABY

CLINTon Way

311 palomino  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:54:44pm

re: #266 Buck

Israel was happy to supply them. Iran was going to use them on Iraq. Iran was almost losing that war, and frankly that would have been bad.

keeping the fight going until they exhausted themselves seemed like a good idea at the time.

A lot of fucked up things seem "like a good idea at the time."

Iraq...invasion...2003 = great idea..."at the time."

As far as people here calling you names, all I can say is that if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. This is a big boy blog. If the name calling offends your delicate sensibilities, maybe you should consider spending more time at Oprah's site...I hear that it's filled with positivity, vague spirituality (but no dogma) and lots of people who won't call you names.

312 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:54:58pm

I had forgotten how skilled Clinton was at giving a great speech. Don't blame me, I was 9 when he was re-elected.

313 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:55:54pm

Fantastic speech.

314 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:56:12pm

Bubba!!

315 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:56:22pm

re: #300 freetoken

Not to mention Galapagos tortoises.

Where were the tortoises?

They were walking in the desert, but someone came along and turned them on the backs. How do you feel about the turtles being stuck on their backs, unable to help themselves?

316 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:56:51pm

Bill is a good deliverer, but in the end it's fundamentally more of the same.

Good homiletics is not the same as truth (or "tough love", as it is sometimes called.)

317 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:57:29pm

re: #315 The Ghost of a Flea

They were walking in the desert, but someone came along and turned them on the backs. How do you feel about the turtles being stuck on their backs, unable to help themselves?

Amused.
/evil

318 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:57:31pm
319 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:58:07pm

re: #318 Gus

[Embedded content]

Fixed.

320 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:58:20pm

re: #315 The Ghost of a Flea

They were walking in the desert, but someone came along and turned them on the backs. How do you feel about the turtles being stuck on their backs, unable to help themselves?

What do you mean I'm not helping it??!

I mean you're not helping it. Why is that, Leon?

321 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:58:31pm

re: #316 freetoken

Bill is a good deliverer, but in the end it's fundamentally more of the same.

Good homiletics is not the same as truth (or "tough love", as it is sometimes called.)

Okay, but it's more interesting since he manages to smile while he sticks the knife in.

322 recusancy  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:58:34pm

re: #318 Gus

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You know that's a parody account right?

323 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:59:02pm

Michigan and Ohio jobs...

324 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:59:11pm

re: #322 recusancy

You know that's a parody account right?

Now I do. ;)

325 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:59:30pm

re: #324 Gus

Me too.

326 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 7:59:41pm

Zero.

327 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:00:48pm

Cars!

Drink!

328 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:01:02pm
329 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:01:12pm

re: #327 Gus

Tonight's convention is a car-gasm.

330 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:01:41pm
331 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:08pm
332 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:12pm

re: #330 Stanley Sea

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True be that.

333 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:22pm

re: #330 Stanley Sea

"Their number one priority was not to put America back to work, it was to put the President out of work"

334 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:24pm

killing it

335 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:28pm

Reminder about education. Ryan wants to abolish Pells and GSL's.

336 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:41pm

re: #328 ElCapitanAmerica

[Embedded content]

I was just thinking about Clinton and his... timing. It can get long sometimes.

337 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:43pm

Bill Clinton on a major roll tonight. Very entertaining!

338 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:02:46pm

re: #311 palomino

A lot of fucked up things seem "like a good idea at the time."

Iraq...invasion...2003 = great idea..."at the time."

As far as people here calling you names, all I can say is that if you can't stand the heat, get the fuck out of the kitchen. This is a big boy blog. If the name calling offends your delicate sensibilities, maybe you should consider spending more time at Oprah's site...I hear that it's filled with positivity, vague spirituality (but no dogma) and lots of people who won't call you names.

It's the "No, You're the Asshole" Game.

Arrive and insult everyone via insinuation rather than direct name calling. Get offended when someone insults back in a direct manner. Claim the moral high ground because you didn't say a naughty word.

339 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:03:06pm

re: #337 Charles Johnson

Bill Clinton on a major roll tonight. Very entertaining!

Needs more banjo. ;)

340 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:03:26pm

fucking health care.

this is THE BEST

341 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:23pm

He's done more to educate dems on their own policies than they did in THREE years!

342 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:43pm
343 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:43pm

Really, Bill, thanks for showing me that I was so right to defend you against my idiotic friends. Granted, I was echoing what I heard at home but I genuinely liked this guy growing up and I still do.

344 Coracle  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:04:52pm

I'm so concerned that the long standing and ever-growing Clinton/Obama rift will mean at-best tepid support from the former President.
/

345 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:05:38pm

Keep going Bill, this is awesome!

346 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:06:16pm

I'll be shocked if Obama doesn't get some bump from this convention.

347 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:06:27pm

BETTER

348 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:06:53pm

re: #342 Mocking Jay

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Is he improvising this whole thing?

349 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:06:56pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

I'll be shocked if Obama doesn't get some bump from this convention.

I wonder how many people are watching tonight.

350 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:07pm

re: #341 diamonda2u

He's done more to educte dema on their own policies than they did in THREE years!

That has been my biggest criticism of the President (and I have been mocked by the Obots at Balloon Juice roundly for it).

Obama does not seem to understand the need to go out and repeatedly sell your programs to the US people and not depend on the congress to do it. Reagan understood that.

351 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:17pm

re: #348 Sionainn

Is he improvising this whole thing?

No, there's an actual speech. He's just... adding to it. Liberally.

Heh.

352 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:36pm

re: #349 freetoken

I wonder how many people are watching tonight.

Cowboys/Giants.

:(

353 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:54pm

re: #349 freetoken

I wonder how many people are watching tonight.

I don't know but people are inevitably going to see clips from this speech. Clinton's approval ratings among the American people are at a record high. Even one of my aforementioned idiotic friends praised him albeit with a backhanded diss at Obama(teleprompter gag).

354 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:55pm

They should get Clinton to do a bunch of ads explaining health care, etc.

355 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:58pm

Rofl

356 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:07:59pm

re: #348 Sionainn

Is he improvising this whole thing?

I'm wondering. he's epic

357 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:08:18pm

[Vuvuzela slide.]

358 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:08:24pm

I'm feeling a little tingly now.

359 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:08:50pm

The wingnuts must be in full meltdown mode right now.

Bill is awesome as usual. Loving this speech.

360 Coracle  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:08:57pm

If anyone deserves the title "policy wonk" in these two conventions, he is speaking right now.

361 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:09:24pm

He's warmed up now.

362 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:09:56pm

Look at that grin, ha! (When he was talking about Paul Ryan)

363 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:10:00pm

The consensus among pundits online is that the original text of the speech was only FOUR pages.

364 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:10:29pm

The 'fact checkers' are going to have a hayday with this one:

Youtube Video
365 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:11:14pm

re: #363 bratwurst

You think Bill punked them?

366 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:11:14pm

re: #363 bratwurst

Lol .. Cool

367 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:11:15pm

re: #358 blueraven

My leg!

368 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:11:17pm

Truth

369 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:11:27pm
370 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:12:09pm

re: #354 Sionainn

They should get Clinton to do a bunch of ads explaining health care, etc.

He's really good at this—at explaining things in a clear & engaging way.

*wonders how many GOP strategists cursing and reaching for antacids and/or a beer to cry into right now*

371 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:12:50pm

re: #370 CuriousLurker

He's really good at this—at explaining things in a clear & engaging way.

*wonders how many GOP strategists cursing and reaching for antacids and/or a beer to cry into right now*

They probably wish they had someone even half at good at this as he is.

372 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:22pm

FACT CHECKERS!

373 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:23pm

re: #370 CuriousLurker

*wonders how many GOP strategists cursing and reaching for antacids and/or a beer to cry into right now*

They're all washing down their heartburn medication with whiskey right now.

374 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:37pm

re: #365 freetoken

You think Bill punked them?

I think the convention organizers were well aware what happens when you put Bill Clinton in front of a live mic.

375 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:42pm

Fact checkers! Ya-Hooo!

376 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:47pm

re: #372 freetoken

FACT CHECKERS!

GO...oh wait.

377 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:48pm

heh. 'fact checkers'.

378 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:13:57pm

Slamming them on the Welfare bs now.

379 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:14:21pm

Wow. The debt.

380 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:14:27pm
381 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:15:09pm

Damn, but he is making the GOP look ridiculous.

382 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:15:31pm
383 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:15:44pm

Ha, I hope KT liked that one. (The fact checker reference)

384 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:15:49pm

Not one person in the GOP convnetion even remotely tried to talk economic policy like this to the American people.

385 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:17pm

re: #384 celticdragon

Not one person in the GOP convnetion even remotely tried to talk economic policy like this to the American people.

Oh yes they did.

It was summed in one word: GOD!!

386 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:27pm

re: #382 bratwurst

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I actually feel bad for him. I think Clinton's comments about the stuff he's done with him and Clinton out of office got more applause than Bush did at the RNC.

387 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:28pm

I always liked Simpson Bowles.

388 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:54pm

Arithmetic...

SCIENCE!

389 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:16:55pm

Arithmetic!

390 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:18:17pm
391 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:18:33pm

Cut Pell grants, nutrition, bridges and law enforcement...for tax cuts for the top 1%.

392 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:19pm

Talked to my very elderly mother... even she is watching Bill tonight.

Maybe there is hope.

393 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:33pm

re: #192 Buck

You should be ashamed of Jimmy Carter.

We've got you if we need to feel shame for someone.

394 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:37pm

re: #391 celticdragon

Cut Pell grants, nutrition, bridges and law enforcement...for tax cuts for the top 1%. job creators!

Fixt!

395 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:42pm

#arithmatic

396 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:45pm

Arithmetic...how the hell does that work?

397 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:46pm

I am in absolute awe of Bill Clinton. If only, if only more people would get out of the echo chamber and actually *listen*. Obama couldn't have a better person out there to argue his case.

398 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:55pm

"Republican policies quadrupled the national debt in the eight years before I took office."

Boom.

399 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:57pm

Chop, chop, chop!

400 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:19:59pm

"Double down on trickle down!!!"

401 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:20:21pm

re: #383 HappyWarrior

Ha, I hope KT liked that one. (The fact checker reference)

I didn't catch it. What happened?

402 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:20:24pm

He is absolutely destroying the Republican economic vision.

403 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:20:54pm

re: #401 Killgore Trout

I didn't catch it. What happened?

He mentioned the Romney campaign saying ignore the fact checkers. You should watch. He's making a really good speech.

404 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:09pm
405 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:18pm

He must be back on script now.

406 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:22pm

re: #403 HappyWarrior

He mentioned the Romney campaign saying ignore the fact checkers.

Bill?

407 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:31pm

Oh snap! Voting changes!

408 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:35pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Bill?

Yeah.

409 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:37pm

There's a reason the GOP fear this man, and they're getting a very nasty reminder tonight.

410 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:21:44pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

You had to be there.

411 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:22:17pm

re: #408 HappyWarrior

Yeah.

Well, I guess he can go hang out with the folks at NRO who hate facts and the people who check them.

412 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:22:18pm

This should be in black and white.

413 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:22:41pm

The crowd is ready to fucking charge across the beach at Normandy at this point. They are on fire.

414 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:22:43pm

re: #412 Gus

This should be in black and white.

It' Truman-esque in some ways.

415 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:05pm

re: #411 Killgore Trout

Well, I guess he can go hang out with the folks at NRO who hate facts and the people who check them.

No, you misunderstand me, he mocked the Romney campaign surrogates for saying ignore the fact checkers. I thought you'd like that.

416 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:06pm

re: #413 celticdragon

The crowd is ready to fucking charge across the beach at Normandy at this point. Tney are on fire.

SUBDUED!

417 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:23pm

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Bill?

you didnt watch. Why are you here, cept to troll.

PLEASE

418 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:31pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

No, you misunderstand me, he mocked the Romney campaign for saying ignore the fact checkers. I thought you'd like that.

Ah, ok. Much better.

419 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:23:59pm

He can also quote the Founders...a little more accurately than the teabaggers.

420 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:04pm

re: #415 HappyWarrior

No, you misunderstand me, he mocked the Romney campaign for saying ignore the fact checkers. I thought you'd like that.

Why bother? He's not "interested enough" to watch.

421 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:04pm

Obama!!

422 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:12pm

Barack Obama is feeling relieved that he speaks tomorrow night because even he would have trouble following this speech.

423 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:20pm

re: #420 Sionainn

Why bother? He's not "interested enough" to watch.

It's fine.

424 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:23pm

Nice

425 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:23pm

re: #416 Varek Raith

SUBDUED!

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

426 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:29pm

W-O-W!

427 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:39pm

My two favorite politicians !!!

428 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:46pm

Really Obama couldn't ask for a better surrogate than Clinton. This guy is a walking legend.

429 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:24:59pm

E P I C

430 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:25:01pm

Love watching the convention that's allowed to play Tom Petty...

431 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:25:04pm

No chair.
I am disappoint.

432 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:25:09pm

Boom!

433 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:25:28pm

Bill. Kicks. Ass.

434 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:25:43pm

This is such a nice slam at the Chuck Norris's and Ron Paul's of the world who do nothing but doom and gloom because their policies aren't being pushed.

435 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:26:20pm

Bill brings the house down. That was impressive.

436 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:26:42pm
437 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:26:43pm

Clinton was awesome. I won't lie, I was a down and dirty conservative in the Clinton years before they went nuts cause Obama beat them... He was good

438 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:26:49pm

Fucking epic. Clinton was on fire tonight.

The wingnuts will be in full freakout mode for the next week after that. WOW.

439 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:26:53pm

But...but...but how can this be? Bill hates Obama! I've been told on good authority!

///

440 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:26:57pm

re: #435 Charles Johnson

Compare to the relatively tepid GOP convention.

441 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:27:26pm

re: #436 Mocking Jay

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Her stupid racist joke aside Harlem is mostly Latino now. So no dice.

442 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:27:44pm

Bill Clinton is the homing nuclear tipped missile for the Democratic party.

I haven't heard a speech that good since... I don't know, honestly.

If this convention doesn't move the needle, then America is missing it's soul.

443 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:28:21pm

re: #434 HappyWarrior

This is such a nice slam at the Chuck Norris's and Ron Paul's of the world who do nothing but doom and gloom because their policies egos aren't being pushed gently stroked.

There ya go.

444 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:28:36pm

ROLL CALL!

Oh... it's... a roll call...

445 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:08pm

You know, I grew up with this guy as president. He's the first president I really really remember being president. I liked him. He was always just so cool and calm. And whenever my friends would parrot some right wing crap form their parents about how he was an immoral pervert because he had an affair or because he was pro choice. I always defended him proudly. Bill, thank you for showing that I wasn't just wasting my time.

446 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:19pm

re: #440 freetoken

Compare to the relatively tepid GOP convention.

Seriously, this time last week, the GOP convention felt like a fraking funeral was going on, with people just killing time til Ryan spoke.

By contrast, the DNC crowd looks ready to fight tooth and nail to win on Election Day.

Any guesses on which party likes their candidate more?//

447 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:22pm

re: #443 celticdragon

There ya go.

Ha, yeah!

448 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:29:55pm

re: #445 HappyWarrior

Personally, I do not have a high opinion of Bill Clinton, the man.

However, as a policy guy he is very good.

449 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:30:35pm
450 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:05pm

re: #448 freetoken

Personally, I do not have a high opinion of Bill Clinton, the man.

However, as a policy guy he is very good.

I just resented my friends acting like he was the only guy to ever have an affair in the White House and I really resented the crazy conspiracies. One of them and I know he was echoing his folks (Hey I was 13 when he left office and kids parrot), the guy claimed that Clinton sold American secrets to the Chinese.

451 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:15pm
452 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:18pm

re: #446 Targetpractice

By contrast, the DNC crowd looks ready to fight tooth and nail to win on Election Day.

Any guesses on which party likes their candidate more?//

They have to be... & nope.

453 steve_davis  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:28pm

re: #342 Mocking Jay

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Clint Eastwood shouts at an empty chair--bombs badly; Bill Clinton aw-shucks his way through two empty suits--precision-detonates the entire GOP platform. I'm waiting for video of some 20 year-old Young Republican in a Navy Blue blazer and a bowl-cut exiting the Tampa convention hall just before the whole place goes up, with a general doing a voice-over to the press gaggle: "That was the luckiest fellow in Tampa tonight."

454 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:30pm

Good night, lizards. It's been fun!

455 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:34pm

Clinton is the honey badger of the DNC. Honey badger don't give a shit. Honey badger will just chew your ankle off.

456 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:36pm

re: #449 bratwurst

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Hahahaha this is so true.

457 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:31:39pm

re: #436 Mocking Jay

Crass.
Racist.
Cracist.

458 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:32:27pm

This convention beats the 08 big time... Maybe thecrazies of the GOP did it with their nuttiness, whatever...way better, awesome speeches

459 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:32:38pm

Lol.....Fox News talking points out - "Rambling, wonky, people were probably turning the channel"

460 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:33:15pm

Brit Hume bringing up Lewinsky. Of course.

461 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:33:19pm

re: #459 JamesWI

Lol.....Fox News talking points out - "Rambling, wonky, people were probably turning the channel"

Spin baby!

462 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:33:48pm

I've gotta go too. G'nite, lizards.

463 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:34:03pm

re: #449 bratwurst

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oops

464 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:15pm

Barry Goldwater's granddaughter, wow.

465 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:32pm

Democratic Convention 2012
This time, it's personal...

466 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:51pm
467 lostlakehiker  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:14:24pm

re: #249 RadicalModerate

Nice.

You gonna call President Obama a mulatto next?

My whole point was, and is, that Warren is not Indian. Not half (which is how the no-longer-acceptable word you used meant, back when it was used, if the person had black and white ancestry), not 1/4, not 1/16, not 1/32. After that you're in trace element territory and everybody's an Indian.

As to Obama, I steer clear of antiquated and racially charged words. And why speak of "call"ing him anything? One of his parents was black, one was white. Everybody knows this, and so what? Lots of people have ancestry from here, there, and sundry parts. At the recent Olympics, we saw a lot of that on the medal stand.

468 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:49:11am

re: #467 lostlakehiker

Why is this any sort of important point to make? The woman had a family legend, thought it was true, turns out not to be. She never used it in any way to benefit herself-- it was on her staff profile but not her application.

So it's a little weird when people become obsessed with this little matter of race. It's like getting pissed at Madeline Albright because she thought she wasn't Jewish, and then discovered that she was. Families get these things wrong sometimes. So fucking what?

469 Bulworth  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:41:22am

re: #154 darthstar

Chuck Woolery, host of "The Love Connection", is an asshole.

Well, then he's perfect for today's teabagGOP

470 Flavia  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:44:01pm

re: #52 Buck

That is of course convenient for you. No way I could just have a different opinion than you. I must be off balanced.

Am I wrong about Jimmy Carter? Was he a honoured speaker at this convention? Frankly you can find many Democrats that agree with his basic belief that Israel is occupying palestine, and that Jerusalem is not the capital of Israel.

I agree with you about Carter & yes, half the delegates at that "vote" did show exactly what they thought (Or, at least, less than half were louder than more than half - it could have been that way, which is how it appeared at the first vote. To me, at least). I've seen it in the party & no, I don't like it (but I still vote Democratic because I am an AMERICAN, not an Israeli - but I digress!!).

BUT!!

Carter is a past American president. He has earned the right to speak at the convention. Yes, the Republicans don't feel they have to invite W - & that exposes them as liars when they still insist that he isn't' responsible for the financial mess we're all in today. But Democrats HAVE to be united - we are TERRIBLE at this. Accept it for what it is, but don't make any more of it that that, either.


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