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1 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:33:36pm

People are going to be up really late tonight in Charlotte.

2 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:34:12pm

Now who cool is that. The Alabama delegate chair was obviously a civil rights veteran and the Alaskan chair was part of the Alaskan movement for statehood.

3 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:22pm

the Night of Bill Clinton

Attack Of The Fifty Foot TV Monitor

4 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:23pm

Bill didn't just destroy the notion that he's still holding a grudge from 4 years ago. He nuked it out of existence.

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:25pm

All that was missing from that speech was a "Bless their hearts" that was one helluva come to jesus meeting.

6 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:35:47pm
7 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:04pm

Barry.

8 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:24pm

re: #231 darthstar

Going silent for the next 30 minutes or so...Want to enjoy this.

Okay...so glad I did that. Clinton played the audience like a fish...reeling them in, giving them some slack, but never letting the tension off the line. Beautifully done. And he dissected Romney/Ryan like a coroner on CSI. Romney's campaign's cause of death? Self-inflicted.

9 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:41pm

re: #7 Gus

Barry.

Fuck Andrea Mitchell.

10 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:36:52pm

Democratic Convention 2012
This time, it's personal...

11 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:37:00pm

That reminded me why I voted for Bill Clinton. Outstanding.

12 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:37:05pm

Dems still make better Survivor contestants.

13 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:37:46pm

re: #9 darthstar

Fuck Andrea Mitchell.

Nah. One of the delegates was a great grand daughter of Barry Goldwater.

14 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:38:07pm
15 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:38:22pm

california voting in the roll call of the snakes

(sings) "california, ca-a-a-alifornia my home..."

16 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:38:22pm
17 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:08pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Yep, distract, distort, and then distract some more.

18 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:10pm

re: #14 jaunte

I believe in the gambling craft it's called a "tell".

19 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:12pm

re: #14 jaunte

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Yeah, I imagine tomorrow's gonna be one long "So what if Clinton's speech was 'good'? Here's reasons why you should hate him anyway!"

20 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:30pm

Can't wait to see the Twitter metrics for this one.

21 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:41pm

re: #11 Charles Johnson

That reminded me why I voted for Bill Clinton. Outstanding.

It's great to belong to a party with ex-president's that you are proud off and fell no need to hide and try to make people forget.

22 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:43pm
23 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:39:44pm

Colorado! Woot!

24 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:10pm
25 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:17pm
26 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:38pm

After what I just saw, I can't be too mad at Monica...

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:40pm

re: #25 Interesting Times

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I hope he's okay heh.

28 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:41pm

talking heads should shut up and let me listen to the roll call

29 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:40:48pm

In 1992, I was 19 years old. Bill Clinton was the first President I was able to vote for. I voted for his re-election in 1996.

I'd proudly do it all over again. Fucking epic. He OWNED tonight, and utterly destroyed the GOP's message. Barack Obama couldn't have asked for a better lead in for his speech tomorrow night.

30 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:41:03pm

re: #22 jaunte

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I have an aunt that looooves Bill Clinton and I'll bet she is having a cigarette too even though she quit 10 years ago.

31 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:41:12pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Yeah, I imagine tomorrow's gonna be one long "So what if Clinton's speech was 'good'? Here's reasons why you should hate him anyway!"

Counting down until someone invokes Whitewater and/or Vince Foster....

32 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:41:18pm

Not too shabby for an old dog.

33 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:01pm

re: #31 The Ghost of a Flea

Counting down until someone invokes Whitewater and/or Vince Foster....

But Paula Jones...!!!11!!

34 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:25pm

You guys have to watch Fox now, poor Chris Wallace doing a juggling act!

35 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:42:41pm

So, Bill lights the crowd aflame and puts Ryan to shame, and what does Drudge have as the headline? "They booed God!"

It's just amazing the things that stick in their craw.

36 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:27pm

Isn't it funny how Clinton was these guys favorite living Democratic president? And now we're going to probably hear about how the Lewinsky scandal was just awful, awful.

37 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:37pm

re: #34 ElCapitanAmerica

You guys have to watch Fox now, poor Chris Wallace doing a juggling act!

Eh. This isn't about them.

38 dragonath  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:41pm

That was so goddamn real. That's how it's done.

39 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:43:59pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

So, Bill lights the crowd aflame and puts Ryan to shame, and what does Drudge have as the headline? "They booed God!"

It's just amazing the things that stick in their craw.

Drudge's website still looks like it was designed during the Clinton years..........

40 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:44:06pm

The one thing that concerned me tonight, however, was the tremor in Clinton's hands...he's getting older, and it looks like he has early signs of Parkinson's. I hope I'm wrong, because I fucking love that man...great president, and an even greater ex-president. Still, it distracted me a couple of times.

41 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:44:36pm

re: #40 darthstar

The one thing that concerned me tonight, however, was the tremor in Clinton's hands...he's getting older, and it looks like he has early signs of Parkinson's. I hope I'm wrong, because I fucking love that man...great president, and an even greater ex-president. Still, it distracted me a couple of times.

He's only 66. Just two years older than Mitt.

42 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:44:47pm

Fact:

43 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:44:56pm

re: #40 darthstar

The one thing that concerned me tonight, however, was the tremor in Clinton's hands...

I noticed that too. Surprised fox didn't gleefully derp about it.

granted, I wouldn't watch fox if you strapped me to a chair and stapled my eyeballs open...just figuring that if they said something like that, it would be mentioned here or on Twitter

44 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:44:56pm

re: #40 darthstar

The one thing that concerned me tonight, however, was the tremor in Clinton's hands...he's getting older, and it looks like he has early signs of Parkinson's. I hope I'm wrong, because I fucking love that man...great president, and an even greater ex-president. Still, it distracted me a couple of times.

I noticed that too, is it likely early Parkisons or could it be something else? Was wondering about that ...

45 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:12pm

re: #41 Mocking Jay

He's only 66. Just two years older than Mitt.

1 and not even that. Bill- 8/46 and Mitt 3/47.

46 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:27pm

re: #41 Mocking Jay

He's only 66. Just two years older than Mitt.

I know...but the tremors are a concern.

47 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:37pm

Speaking of creationists, there was a new survey released today:

Britons and Canadians More Likely to Endorse Evolution than Americans

KEY FINDINGS
 69% of Britons, 61% of Canadians and 30%
of Americans think human beings evolved
from less advanced life forms over
millions of years

 51% of Americans, 22% of Canadians and
17% of Britons think God created human
beings in their present form within the last
10,000 years

Not much by way of new revelation here.

There are breakdowns by age and region for all three countries.

48 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:38pm

re: #34 ElCapitanAmerica

No thanks. Blocked it on all tv's when the in-law's visited. From previous visits I knew what was coming. Apparently Pinochet never existed(not revisiting this argument for awhile). Is in-law's hyphenated?

49 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:45:50pm

re: #45 HappyWarrior

1 and not even that. Bill- 8/46 and Mitt 3/47.

Fuck arithmetic.

50 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:46:02pm

I noticed too though. Still gives a great speech after all these years. Still hard to believe he left office before I entered high school and I'm a few years near my first reunion.

51 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:46:36pm

re: #49 Mocking Jay

Fuck arithmetic.

Haha hey I was a history major and english minor, you don't have to tell me that.

52 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:47:09pm

lol

53 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:47:11pm

Good night Lizards.

54 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:47:36pm

Meanwhile on Foxland ...

Krauthammer "A giant swing and a miss" ...
"Sprawling, undisciplined and self indulgent"
"A campaign speech for a 3rd Clinton term"
On Clinton's rebuttals ... "Paul Ryan can handle all of that in 10 minutes in his debate"

55 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:47:39pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Drudge's website still looks like it was designed during the Clinton years..........

So does Free Republic. I'm sensing a pattern. Heh.

56 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:48:03pm

re: #55 Lidane

So does Free Republic. I'm sensing a pattern. Heh.

Geocities away!

57 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:48:30pm

Wow..Krauthammer calling Clinton's speech odd, strange and ineffective.

He has totally lost it.

58 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:48:49pm

I'm fine with the DNC platform amendments. Separation of church and state does not mean total shut off of theists. We should ALL be able to speak.

59 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:48:52pm

re: #54 ElCapitanAmerica

On Clinton's rebuttals ... "Paul Ryan can handle all of that in 10 minutes in his debate"

And in that same time run three miles while rebutting it!

60 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:49:17pm

re: #57 blueraven

Wow..Krauthammer calling Clinton's speech odd, strange and ineffective.

He has totally lost it.

He's chosen the way of the partisan hack. Sad because while he was never my favorite conservative op-ed writer, he could be informative at times. But now he just prefers to be a hack job.

61 tricstmr  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:49:45pm

@57,

Krauthammer hasn't lost it.. he hasn't had it for years..

62 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:49:49pm

re: #57 blueraven

Wow..Krauthammer calling Clinton's speech odd, strange and ineffective.

He has totally lost it.

Pfft. Whatever. Krauthammer's been a hack for ages.

If he can look at that speech and call it ineffective, odd, and strange, he's delusional. That was a hell of a speech. Krauthammer's just pissed the GOP got stuck with a shitty nominee who could never measure up to Bill Clinton.

63 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:49:50pm

Kraut just said Clinton was a Centrist but Obama's not...

64 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:50:03pm

re: #57 blueraven

Wow..Krauthammer calling Clinton's speech odd, strange and ineffective.

He has totally lost it.

Let's see. Bill Clinton's... "skit." Versus... Clint Eastwood's... "skit."

Let me think now.

65 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:50:44pm

Krauthammer - "Think about how long Obama was hiding behind the curtains waiting for Clinton to finish"

Geez

66 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:12pm

[Link: d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net...]

67 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:17pm

'Nite, all.

68 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:37pm

re: #54 ElCapitanAmerica

On Clinton's rebuttals ... "Paul Ryan can handle all of that in 10 minutes in his debate"

Not only that, but I bet Ryan can do it while climbing both K2 and Mt. Everest, shooting 18 holes-in-one at Augusta, and winning the Tour de France 27 times in a row. And all that while juggling chainsaws and riding a unicycle!

///

69 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:51:38pm

This looks like America.

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:01pm

re: #65 ElCapitanAmerica

Krauthammer - "Think about how long Obama was hiding behind the curtains waiting for Clinton to finish"

Geez

More honestly think about how Mitt Romney feels, I bet he wishes he had someone who could do that great a job of selling him to the country.

71 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:19pm

re: #54 ElCapitanAmerica

Meanwhile on Foxland ...

Krauthammer "A giant swing and a miss" ...
"Sprawling, undisciplined and self indulgent"
"A campaign speech for a 3rd Clinton term"
On Clinton's rebuttals ... "Paul Ryan can handle all of that in 10 minutes in his debate"

The first stage of mourning a loss is denial.

72 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:27pm

re: #48 alpuz

Is in-law's hyphenated?

Yes, but the apostrophe is superfluous.

73 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:34pm

re: #63 Mocking Jay

Kraut just said Clinton was a Centrist but Obama's not...

After Clinton spent 30+ minutes articulating Obama's policies.

Krauthammer's a hack. Pfft.

74 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:39pm

re: #24 Mocking Jay

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So Michelle outdid the Big Dog?

75 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:52:44pm

So the Republicans had Ann Romney trying to humanize a robot, Chris Christie running for 2016, and Clint yelling at an imaginary version of Obama.

While the Democrats had Michelle Obama and Bill Clinton absolutely destroying every Republican talking point of the past 4 years.

Point: Democrats.

76 steve_davis  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:53:34pm

re: #40 darthstar

The one thing that concerned me tonight, however, was the tremor in Clinton's hands...he's getting older, and it looks like he has early signs of Parkinson's. I hope I'm wrong, because I fucking love that man...great president, and an even greater ex-president. Still, it distracted me a couple of times.

Yeah, I noticed that, but my thought at the time was he was probably a little ramped up and a little nervous. I know he's done this stuff before, but a lot of that was not teleprompter and he knew there was an awful lot riding on him pulling that off.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:00pm

re: #8 darthstar

Okay...so glad I did that. Clinton played the audience like a fish...reeling them in, giving them some slack, but never letting the tension off the line. Beautifully done. And he dissected Romney/Ryan like a coroner on CSI. Romney's campaign's cause of death? Self-inflicted.

In my lifetime, among American politicians, only Clinton and Reagan have had a gift like that.

My husband says he thinks Bill is better.

78 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:12pm

re: #76 steve_davis

Essential tremors do come out in stressful situations.

79 Kaessa  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:17pm
80 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:31pm

re: #71 OhNoZombies!

The first stage of mourning a loss is denial.

I suppose it's not a bad idea to start early.

81 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:54:51pm

re: #19 Targetpractice

Yeah, I imagine tomorrow's gonna be one long "So what if Clinton's speech was 'good'? Here's reasons why you should hate him anyway!"

We were watching ABC. As the crowd was still screaming and swooning, George Will's voice came up to talk dolefully about fact-checking.

We switched to CBS.

82 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:05pm

re: #80 Mocking Jay

I suppose it's not a bad idea to start early.

That means the anger will be starting more though. Not like I watch Fox's joke of a news station anyhow though.

83 Joanne  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:17pm

re: #59 Mocking Jay

And in that same time run three miles while rebutting it!

You've been on fire lately! Good job.

84 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:32pm

re: #75 JamesWI

Not whining about downdings, but I look at this one and see a minus from DF.....LOL. Someone's not happy after that speech!

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:38pm

re: #29 Lidane

In 1992, I was 19 years old. Bill Clinton was the first President I was able to vote for. I voted for his re-election in 1996.

Hey, we're of an age.

Yeah, I imprinted on Bill Clinton like a baby duck, and apparently the magic still holds.

86 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:41pm

Kraut totally loses credibility when he said the speech was self indulgent and a speech for a "3rd Clinton term" ... when he kept praising Obama, his policies and constantly reminding voters to vote for the president ...

87 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:47pm

Republicans will wake up tomorrow with all kinds of unexplained bruises and cuts cuz the Big Dawg just whooped 'em!

88 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:55:48pm

re: #83 Joanne (JustJay)

You've been on fire lately! Good job.

Lately? I'm an eternal flame!

89 steve_davis  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:56:25pm

re: #72 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Yes, but the apostrophe is superfluous.

If you're lucky, so are the in-laws.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:56:26pm

re: #40 darthstar

The one thing that concerned me tonight, however, was the tremor in Clinton's hands...he's getting older, and it looks like he has early signs of Parkinson's. I hope I'm wrong, because I fucking love that man...great president, and an even greater ex-president. Still, it distracted me a couple of times.

He looks great. He's kept off the weight since his health scare. Hope he's OK.

91 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:56:39pm

re: #84 JamesWI

Not whining about downdings, but I look at this one and see a minus from DF.....LOL. Someone's not happy after that speech!

Hurt fee-fees.

92 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:56:39pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

I think he's just grumpy about the talent on display.

93 Pawn of the Oppressor  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:56:45pm

I'm still no fan of Clinton.

But it was a nice speech, and made some good points. As an advocate of science I very much appreciate that he went ahead and used the word "ignorance" in reference to the Repugnant Old Party's plans for our kids' minds... I wish he had put a bit more emphasis on that.

94 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:56:46pm

re: #42 darthstar

Fact:

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That's really sweet, how he reminded us of GWB's existence... and then again... and again... now don't forget this guy GWB who did a bunch of the stuff his party doesn't want you to think about.

All without saying a single thing the R's can complain about. Nice jujitsu.

95 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:57:08pm
96 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:57:53pm

re: #54 ElCapitanAmerica

Meanwhile on Foxland ...

"A campaign speech for a 3rd Clinton term"

Actually, my husband and I simultaneously said, "Can we have him instead?"

97 labman57  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:03pm

Remarkable contrast can be seen thus far between the two conventions:

The DNC speeches have been substantive, scholarly, and insightful, whereas the RNC speeches were laden with snark, superficiality, sanctimony, sophism ... and an empty chair.

98 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:35pm

re: #86 ElCapitanAmerica

Kraut totally loses credibility when he said the speech was self indulgent and a speech for a "3rd Clinton term" ... when he kept praising Obama, his policies and constantly reminding voters to vote for the president ...

Or Clinton was just making it clear that Obama is pursuing the policies he himself would pursue if he were still in office. Big Steve, are you listening?

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:36pm

re: #65 ElCapitanAmerica

Krauthammer - "Think about how long Obama was hiding behind the curtains waiting for Clinton to finish"

Geez

Should they have hooked him offstage with a cane so the President could stop lurking?

100 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:43pm

re: #97 labman57

Remarkable contrast can be seen thus far between the two conventions:

The DNC speeches have been substantive, scholarly, and insightful, whereas the RNC speeches were laden with snark, superficiality, sanctimony, sophism ... and an empty chair.

It didn't even look like a particularly comfortable chair, either.

101 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:48pm

Clinton '92 was the first campaign I volunteered for, and the first prez. I voted for.

102 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:58:51pm

Damn. Georgia. Good.

103 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:59:34pm
104 Joanne  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 8:59:51pm

re: #88 Mocking Jay

Lately? I'm an eternal flame!

My mistake. (bowing) :-)

105 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:00:33pm

re: #101 OhNoZombies!

Clinton '92 was the first campaign I volunteered for, and the first prez. I voted for.

Sadly, I must admit, I blew up balloons for a Reagan rally.

106 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:00:39pm

re: #103 darthstar

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I didn't realize the Romney camp employed DJ's because that's a lot of spin for a bunch of people who aren't DJs by trade. And yeah I know that was lame.

107 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:18pm

"Paul Ryan can handle all of that in 10 minutes in his debate"

yeah, i've heard his "explanations"

you see, technically - technically - he never actually said what he clearly implied

it's our fault for listening to a speech without a lawyer in attendance

108 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:40pm
109 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:47pm

Damn you Netflix. How can you have the Omen I and III and not have II?

110 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:51pm

There Bill goes again, putting the GOP and wingnuts in so much of a tizzy that they can't see straight.

111 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:01:52pm

Idaho. On the right. Coolness.

112 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:02:13pm
113 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:00pm
114 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:07pm

One of my early memories and it is I confess vague is of my Dad taking me and my middle brother to Bill's inaugural. Dad was excited. This was the first boomer in the White House and someone who he felt was like him. The concert was a blast and he's still a big Bill fan to this day. Likes Obama a bit too. Bill really was cool tonight. Got me a little nostalgic for the 90's even though I'm drinking Ale right now which wouldn't have been possible back then haha.

115 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:13pm

Holy shit. Illinois wins.

116 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:22pm

re: #110 Targetpractice

There Bill goes again, putting the GOP and wingnuts in so much of a tizzy that they can't see straight.

Oh, they're going to be apoplectic for days after that.

Fox News is going to be all Monica/Whitewater/Vince Foster all the time until Barack Obama takes the stage tomorrow.

117 DREd  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:31pm

It's a shame Clinton was such a moral degenerate, because the man is really such a fantastic communicator. How many people can give a 45 minute long policy speech that's half ad-libbed and wholly entertaining? Paul Ryan would cut his arm off to give that speech.

118 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:46pm
119 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:48pm

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

120 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:53pm

re: #108 darthstar

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121 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:03:57pm

GOP tripling down on "buying the twitter":

122 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:04:45pm
123 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:04:46pm

Ryan Says Prayer in Schools Is a State Issue

Of fucking course. "A State Issue" is euphemism for "we can't achieve it on the federal level because of the obvious Constitutional issues, but segregation and abortion laws prove that state can totally get away with peeing on individual rights, if only by spending wodges of cash on defending shitty laws."

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:04:53pm

re: #117 DREd

It's a shame Clinton was such a moral degenerate, because the man is really such a fantastic communicator. How many people can give a 45 minute long policy speech that's half ad-libbed and wholly entertaining? Paul Ryan would cut his arm off to give that speech.

To quote "The Commitments": "The voice, the voice is not that of a prick. The voice is from God".

125 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:04:53pm

when are they gonna get around to the states that start with Y and Z?

126 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:17pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

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Gee, I do believe Bill done struck a nerve or two.

127 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:43pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

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GODWIN! WE MUST DISCUSS GODWINS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT GODWINS ENOUGH!!

(that might not make sense if you weren't here this morning...)

128 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:48pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

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The butthurt is strong with these people.

129 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:51pm

re: #105 darthstar

Sadly, I must admit, I blew up balloons for a Reagan rally.

Well... it was the 80's, everybody was doing it.
I wore acid washed jeans.

130 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:54pm

re: #126 Targetpractice

Gee, I do believe Bill done struck a nerve or two.

I thought they liked him now. Better put on the Nirvana.

131 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:05:59pm

Hoosiers!

132 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:06:12pm

Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown

not even lyin' ryan would dare to try that one

133 blueraven  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:06:24pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

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panic

134 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:06:48pm

re: #132 engineer cat

Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown

not even lyin' ryan would dare to try that one

Yeah that's the stupidest thing in the history of ever considering Obama wasn't even president in 2008.

135 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:06:53pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

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Maybe this Frank Novak gut thinks the American people are more inclined to believe GWB? Hmmmmmm......where is old GWB?

136 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:15pm

re: #132 engineer cat

Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown

not even lyin' ryan would dare to try that one

I want to start calling him The Running Man.

137 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:24pm

Clinton had to deal with the GOP's Contract with America.

Obama had to deal with the GOP's Contract on America.

138 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:30pm

re: #101 OhNoZombies!

Clinton '92 was the first campaign I volunteered for, and the first prez. I voted for.

Same. I did volunteer work for his campaign and did GOTV work too.

I got a small American flag autographed by both Bill and Hillary. I preserved it and still have it. One of these days I'll have it framed with some of my campaign swag from back then.

139 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:48pm

re: #132 engineer cat

Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown

not even lyin' ryan would dare to try that one

Don't laugh, I had a wingnut trying to argue as much earlier. These folks have gone as far back as Carter to explain why Bush bears no responsibility whatsoever for the '08 crash. Note that, at the same time, they'll tell you that Bush's tax cuts were totally pushing the economy to new heights and it's a damned shame that that black guy done came along and ruined it all.

140 Gus  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:07:54pm

Iowa. Damn that's cute.

141 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:08:03pm

re: #135 moderatelyradicalliberal

Maybe this Frank Novak gut thinks the American people are more inclined to believe GWB? Hmmmmmm......where is old GWB?

Clearing brush, and thanking God he doesn't have to go near these people again.

142 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:08:18pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Hahaha. He totally pissed them off tonight. Awesome. XD

143 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:09:00pm

re: #132 engineer cat

Obama Had More to Do With 2008 Economic Meltdown

not even lyin' ryan would dare to try that one

If you read the "analysis" ( I use the term not just lightly, but caustically sarcastically), there's also the delicious aroma of "black people not being able to afford mortgages cause the recession, and Obama representing them means he's more responsible than Bush and his off-the-books wars and taxes cuts."

144 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:09:03pm

re: #142 Lidane

Hahaha. He totally pissed them off tonight. Awesome. XD

I think the phoney love affair with Bill Clinton is over for the GOP.

145 DREd  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:09:16pm

I'm tired of Ohio's boasting

146 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:09:19pm

re: #119 dragonfire1981

Note: The following tweets do not reflect my opinion.

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Aw. I think it's nice that they let slow people on twitter.
///

147 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:10:15pm

re: #144 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think the phoney love affair with Bill Clinton is over for the GOP.

I thought it was hilarious that they were even trying in the first place.

If I was a betting woman, I'd say that Bill Clinton looked at the fake RW love fest he was getting and decided to twist the knife. Haha.

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:10:22pm

My grandmother, lifelong Democratic party supporter got one of those Christmas cards from the White House. I'm pretty sure it was just a copy signature by Bill and Hillary but man that meant so much to her. When her memory was slipping, that was something she would always point out to us her grandkids with pride. So I guess I kind of think of her too when I hear Bill speak.

149 alpuz  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:10:47pm

re: #142 Lidane

As Ted Kennedy did the night before.

150 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:10:53pm
151 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:11:15pm

The wingnuts are also freaking out about a woman at the DNC who apparently said she would kill Romney if she saw him. Here's a not biased at all article about that:

On Wednesday, Julia Rodriguez, a delegate to the Democratic convention from New York, told The Blaze that she would like to kill Mitt Romney, and she happily made the statement on video.

“Romney will destroy this country completely,” she told The Blaze.

Then she grabbed the microphone and told The Blaze exactly what she would like to do.

“If I see him, I would like to kill him!” she screamed emotionally.

"The exchange caught The Blaze by surprise and was as unscripted as it was bizarre and shocking," Benny Johnson wrote.

Unhinged liberals calling for Romney's death is nothing new.

In August, we reported three times that liberals on Twitter called for Romney's death, and some actually threatened to kill those who vote for him.

In early August, a Facebook page advocating Romney's murder went live, and finally went offline on August 27.

The so-called "mainstream media," perhaps due to its own pro-Obama bias, remained silent on the threats made against Romney and his supporters.

The media was also silent as liberals on Twitter called for Ann Romney's death.

Romney is not the only Republican targeted with death wishes on the social media site.

As we have reported earlier, Sarah Palin, Donald Trump, Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, and Republican voters in general have been targeted by leftists sending death wishes on Twitter.

152 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:11:22pm

re: #147 Lidane

I thought it was hilarious that they were even trying in the first place.

If I was a betting woman, I'd say that Bill Clinton looked at the fake RW love fest he was getting and decided to twist the knife. Haha.

If I were a betting man I'd put a little more money down on Hillary running in '16.

153 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:12:10pm

re: #150 jaunte

Dear Steve,

You used to have someone like that. He died a while ago, and your party keeps trying to reanimate his corpse.

Sincerely,
Me

154 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:12:19pm

re: #147 Lidane

I thought it was hilarious that they were even trying in the first place.

If I was a betting woman, I'd say that Bill Clinton looked at the fake RW love fest he was getting and decided to twist the knife. Haha.

I could just see Bill Clinton seething that these motherfuckers who impeached him would even let his name come out of their mouths. They had this ass whoopin' coming for having that kind of brass.

155 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:12:32pm

re: #144 moderatelyradicalliberal

I think the phoney love affair with Bill Clinton is over for the GOP.

I keep trying to figure out what they expected from tonight. Did they expect he was gonna go up there, be all sorts of angry and grumbly about being forced to say nice things about Obama, then storm out of the building?

Who do they think he is, Newt Gingrich?

156 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:13:03pm

The fake Clinton love today will be fake Obama love in 10-20 years. I guarantee that.

157 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:13:49pm

re: #127 Mocking Jay

GODWIN! WE MUST DISCUSS GODWINS BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT GODWINS ENOUGH!!

(that might not make sense if you weren't here this morning...)

Boy, put enough of those tweets together and you got yourself a Godwin-packed negative ad, pardner!
/

158 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:14:06pm

re: #145 DREd

I'm tired of Ohio's boasting

Ohio rocks.
:)

159 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:14:08pm

re: #138 Lidane

Same. I did volunteer work for his campaign and did GOTV work too.

I got a small American flag autographed by both Bill and Hillary. I preserved it and still have it. One of these days I'll have it framed with some of my campaign swag from back then.

You guys are making me feel old.

The first campaign I volunteered for was Gerald Ford. (which probably explains my eternal distaste for Reagan)

160 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:14:19pm

re: #151 dragonfire1981

Just my opinion: it's fine to post excerpts of RWNJ derp, but to me it feels like you overdo it from time to time. It's as if you're spreading their poison further, especially when it's posted practically in full, with little to no commentary of your own.

161 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:14:42pm

Just saw an ad for a new game show with Jeff Foxworthy (You might be a redneck comedian)...America's Bible Challenge. Seriously? WTF?

162 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:15:02pm

Bill Clinton: GOP Voter Suppression Laws a Sign of Desperation

“One of the most pervasive political movements going on outside Washington today is the disciplined, passionate, determined effort of Republican governors and legislators to keep most of you from voting next time. There has never been in my lifetime, since we got rid of the poll tax and all the other Jim Crow burdens on voting, the determined effort to limit the franchise that we see today.…

“Why is all this going on? This is not rocket science. They are trying to make the 2012 electorate look more like the 2010 electorate than the 2008 electorate.”

163 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:11pm
164 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:22pm

re: #161 darthstar

Just saw an ad for a new game show with Jeff Foxworthy (You might be a redneck comedian)...America's Bible Challenge. Seriously? WTF?

Man, I bet Kirk Cameron thought he had the gig to host that locked up.

165 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:22pm

re: #159 sagehen

You guys are making me feel old.

The first campaign I volunteered for was Gerald Ford. (which probably explains my eternal distaste for Reagan)

They are making me fell young. My first vote was for Al Gore in 2000.

166 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:56pm

re: #160 Interesting Times

Just my opinion: it's fine to post excerpts of RWNJ derp, but to me it feels like you overdo it from time to time. It's as if you're spreading their poison further, especially when it's posted practically in full, with little to no commentary of your own.

Other commenters post that kind of stuff way more frequently than I do.

Also a lot of the time there's not really much I can add that hasn't already been said/beaten to death on this site already.

167 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:16:59pm

re: #163 jaunte

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Heh doesn't he have a dead law professor to beat?

168 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:17:40pm

re: #165 moderatelyradicalliberal

They are making me fell young. My first vote was for Al Gore in 2000.

Here, I'll make you feel old. Mine was for Obama. I was a year off for 2004. Would have voted for Kerry though.

169 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:17:45pm

re: #164 Kragar

Man, I bet Kirk Cameron thought he had the gig to host that locked up.

Kirk Cameron has never opened a Bible. His theology and ethics come from the "Left Behind" series.

/half

170 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:17:57pm

re: #165 moderatelyradicalliberal

They are making me fell young. My first vote was for Al Gore in 2000.

Speak for yourself, grandpa. First election I voted in was '04. And I shall forever bear the shame of helping reelect Dubya.

171 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:13pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Here, I'll make you feel old. Mine was for Obama. I was a year off for 2004. Would have voted for Kerry though.

Gotdammit!

172 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:16pm

re: #143 The Ghost of a Flea

If you read the "analysis" ( I use the term not just lightly, but caustically sarcastically), there's also the delicious aroma of "black people not being able to afford mortgages cause the recession, and Obama representing them means he's more responsible than Bush and his off-the-books wars and taxes cuts."

yeah, i've heard this "explanation" - usually phrased as "unqualified minorities", with unconscious racism that never troubles them to ask themselves exactly what is the function of the word "minorities" in this supposedly dryly factual economic analysis

the "explanation" is that democrats forced poor helpless banks to write mortgages for negroes.

the fact that the banks had been freed to sell these mortgages off for fun and profit as 'securitized mortgage instruments' is too esoteric for people who think that they understand business but still think that corporations always turn a profit every quarter or go out of business and that they never get millions of dollars in debt

173 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:34pm

re: #168 HappyWarrior

Here, I'll make you feel old. Mine was for Obama. I was a year off for 2004. Would have voted for Kerry though.

I'm old enough to be your mother. Go to your room. No dessert.

174 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:44pm

re: #165 moderatelyradicalliberal

They are making me fell young. My first vote was for Al Gore in 2000.

I saw Al Gore speak at SXSW in March. He's definitely a powerful, dynamic presence when he talks. He gets very passionate about what he's saying.

175 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:44pm

Can someone explain the "booing God" thing to me?

Did they actually boo a mention of God or were they booing with regards to the Israel thing?

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:18:45pm

re: #171 moderatelyradicalliberal

Gotdammit!

My real first vote though was for Tim Kaine in 2005 though. and I've let him know that and I am going to do it again in November because fuck George Allen.

177 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:01pm

Off script but on target.

178 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:19pm

what? the great states of Ytterbium and Zenobia don't get to vote at the convention???

179 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:23pm

re: #170 Targetpractice

Speak for yourself, grandpa. First election I voted in was '04. And I shall forever bear the shame of helping reelect Dubya.

That's grandma and gotdammit to you too! For making me feel old and voting for W.

180 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:27pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

I keep trying to figure out what they expected from tonight. Did they expect he was gonna go up there, be all sorts of angry and grumbly about being forced to say nice things about Obama, then storm out of the building?

Who do they think he is, Newt Gingrich?

It's a mystery. It must have been fairly obvious he was there to support the Democratic incumbent...

181 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:19:34pm

re: #175 dragonfire1981

The person with the gavel forced through a plank-thing and some on the floor didn't like that.

182 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:06pm
183 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:09pm

re: #155 Targetpractice

I keep trying to figure out what they expected from tonight. Did they expect he was gonna go up there, be all sorts of angry and grumbly about being forced to say nice things about Obama, then storm out of the building?

Who do they think he is, Newt Gingrich?

They're playing checkers.

184 sagehen  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:28pm

re: #175 dragonfire1981

Can someone explain the "booing God" thing to me?

Did they actually boo a mention of God or were they booing with regards to the Israel thing?

They booed putting "god-given talents" back into the platform, as a replacement for "inherent abilities" or something like that.

185 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:29pm

re: #181 freetoken

The person with the gavel forced through a plank-thing and some on the floor didn't like that.

That's what I thought it was as opposed to the notion that someone mentioned God directly and heavy booing immediately followed.

186 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:35pm

re: #181 freetoken

The person with the gavel forced through a plank-thing and some on the floor didn't like that.

Yeah, think the whole bit last week with the Paulians. It's pretty obvious that the "No's" had it on putting God and Jerusalem back into the platform, but it got crammed through anyhow.

187 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:44pm

re: #182 Interesting Times

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Sigh McDonnell. Seriously if that clown runs for president ever, I'm going to remind people about that because he's going to try to act like a voice of reason.

188 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:20:49pm

re: #156 HappyWarrior

The fake Clinton love today will be fake Obama love in 10-20 years. I guarantee that.

"Obama was a centrist, and everyone knew it. Not like this wetback radical freak Castro..."

//For the stalkers, that's JULIAN, not FIDEL.

189 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:21:22pm

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

“This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama.” — Top Republican strategist and CNN yacker Alex Castellanos just after Clinton’s speech.

190 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:21:30pm

re: #175 dragonfire1981

Can someone explain the "booing God" thing to me?

They worry that if anyone boos God He might send a hurricane or plague to punish the bystanders.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:21:40pm

re: #161 darthstar

Just saw an ad for a new game show with Jeff Foxworthy (You might be a redneck comedian)...America's Bible Challenge. Seriously? WTF?

Is it like a Bible quiz? I might watch that. I like Jeff Foxworthy.

Can't imagine how he pronounces things, though.

192 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:22:28pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

“This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama.” — Top Republican strategist and CNN yacker Alex Castellanos just after Clinton’s speech.

I to use a football analogy here liken it to getting a first down after the two minute warning and the opposition is practically out of time outs. Bill Clinton: The Democrats' Jerome Bettis.

193 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:23:01pm

re: #161 darthstar

From a couple of week ago:

[Link: gsntv.com...]

194 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:23:03pm

re: #188 SanFranciscoZionist

"Obama was a centrist, and everyone knew it. Not like this wetback radical freak Castro..."

//For the stalkers, that's JULIAN, not FIDEL.

The Daily Caller has already determined that Julian Castro is Insufficiently Hispanic and thus not a threat to Marco Rubio, though I'm not sure their standard is as precise the Board of Hispanic Weights and Measures.

195 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:23:57pm

re: #172 engineer cat

yeah, i've heard this "explanation" - usually phrased as "unqualified minorities", with unconscious racism that never troubles them to ask themselves exactly what is the function of the word "minorities" in this supposedly dryly factual economic analysis

If you ask, the answer from some people I've spoken to is that only unqualified minorities actually got these 'benefits', because there were rules that the banks were racists if they turned them down.

Sometimes this is expressed as indignation on behalf of the poor exploited minorities who the PC liberals got into such financial straits.

196 ElCapitanAmerica  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:09pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

The Daily Caller has already determined that Julian Castro is Insufficiently Hispanic and thus not a threat to Marco Rubio, though I'm not sure their standard is as precise the Board of Hispanic Weights and Measures.

Are you serious?!?! I'd love to read that ... hahaha

197 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:20pm

When I found out my husband voted for Bush in 2000, I made him wear a scarlet W.
Or, no, wait, that may have been the mark from when I punched him...

198 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:39pm

Been browsing various forums to gauge how responses to President Clinton's speech were going.

Comment of the night, clearly goes to one on Fark:

"Lucky the GOP won't get pregnant cuz this is legitimate rape."

199 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:40pm

re: #193 freetoken

From a couple of week ago:

[Link: gsntv.com...]

Not.Fucking.Interested.

200 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:51pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

“This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama.” — Top Republican strategist and CNN yacker Alex Castellanos just after Clinton’s speech.

One above that's fucking hilarious:

10:34 PM: Still weird to me, as a Clinton diehard from the 90s, how suddenly Bill is not only universally revered among Democrats. But even Republicans fall over themselves apparently to profess his awesomeness, if only to trash his would be successor.

10:37 PM: Still a mystery to me why Republicans spent the last month building Bill up when he’s going to slip them the shiv like no one else.

10:44 PM: “It turns out advancing opportunity and economic empowerment is both morally right and good economics, because of poverty and ignorance restrict growth.”

10:53 PM: Brings it back to the key question: Are you better off?

10:53 PM: Folks with a hard copy of the speech tell me it bears little resemblance to what Clinton’s actually saying.

10:56 PM: “I believe it. With all my heart, I believe it.”

10:57 PM: Hard for me even to fathom how much Clinton is relishing this. Like a caged animal let back out for a brief run in the wild.

11:10 PM: Shorter Bill Clinton: W’w’wait! There’s more!

11:11 PM: Shorter Bill Clinton: Hey, I got a million of these!

11:12 PM: This is excellent news for Mark Halperin!

11:18 PM: This is starting to remind me of when my Daddy taught me to gut and clean fish. I think we’re at scraping off the scales now.

11:22 PM: Okay, I think we’re rising to the finish here. But how can you know?

11:23 PM: Wow, like every great Bill Clinton speech, incredibly long but incredibly good. At post-1988.

201 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:24:53pm

One question that will not be asked on Foxworthy's new program:

Which prophet spoke of donkey penes?

202 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:25:14pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

The Daily Caller has already determined that Julian Castro is Insufficiently Hispanic and thus not a threat to Marco Rubio, though I'm not sure their standard is as precise the Board of Hispanic Weights and Measures.

I still remember Alan Keyes and I think Herman Cain tried this one too but both of them tried claiming that the fact that Obama being a son of an African immigrant means he wasn't "really black" because he had no ancestors that suffered under slavery. I thought that was real pathetic.

203 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:03pm

re: #189 moderatelyradicalliberal

[Link: talkingpointsmemo.com...]

“This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama.” — Top Republican strategist and CNN yacker Alex Castellanos just after Clinton’s speech.

I wonder how many shots of whiskey Castellanos had to have before saying that. I doubt he would have willingly admitted that Clinton gave a great speech.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:18pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

The Daily Caller has already determined that Julian Castro is Insufficiently Hispanic and thus not a threat to Marco Rubio, though I'm not sure their standard is as precise the Board of Hispanic Weights and Measures.

Because clearly not being Hispanic enough has prevented many people from becoming President of the United States.

//

205 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:36pm

re: #196 ElCapitanAmerica

Are you serious?!?! I'd love to read that ... hahaha

Julian Castro ‘doesn’t really speak Spanish’

That's a link to the Caller article.

206 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:26:38pm
207 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:27:41pm

re: #201 freetoken

One question that will not be asked on Foxworthy's new program:

Which prophet spoke of donkey penes?

Ezekiel.

208 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:01pm

re: #39 HappyWarrior

Drudge's website still looks like it was designed during the Clinton years..........

It was.

209 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:04pm

Interesting graph:

210 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:40pm

re: #202 HappyWarrior

I still remember Alan Keyes and I think Herman Cain tried this one too but both of them tried claiming that the fact that Obama being a son of an African immigrant means he wasn't "really black" because he had no ancestors that suffered under slavery. I thought that was real pathetic.

It will mean something to me when America elects a President who is the descendant of American slaves. But making it a prereq for Obama, when no other President, to my knowledge has been...is simply stupid. Also racist. Did I say racist?

211 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:28:56pm

re: #205 The Ghost of a Flea

Julian Castro ‘doesn’t really speak Spanish’

That's a link to the Caller article.

I'm confused. I thought they wanted people to speak English. No knock to Rubio, it's great that he speaks Spanish. I wish I could be multilingual too but claiming that Julian Castro's lack of Spanish knowledge doesn't make him really Latino is stupid especially when especially in parts of Texas where Julian is from there are Hispanic families that have been in this country and continent longer than mine have been by far.

212 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:29:40pm

Jimmy Kimmel has an opinion:

Youtube Video
213 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:31:10pm

re: #200 Targetpractice

11:12 PM: This is excellent news for Mark Halperin!

Hehe.

214 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:31:14pm
215 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:31:26pm

re: #209 jaunte

Interesting... but demagogic.

Economic activity is too complex to turn on something as simple as an election.

216 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:03pm

re: #210 SanFranciscoZionist

It will mean something to me when America elects a President who is the descendant of American slaves. But making it a prereq for Obama, when no other President, to my knowledge has been...is simply stupid. Also racist. Did I say racist?

Yeah I just thought it was a pathetic dig at Obama. Reminds me though, I remember having a conversation when Obama had been president for like six months with an African immigrant cab driver in Ireland no less. He noticed my American accent and asked naturally what I thought of Obama. I told him that I felt I wished people would just give the guy a chance as it had been at the time only six months since he took the oath of office. Guy agreed. Really, sounds tacky but I like talking to my cab drivers. Met another one who was an Irish native who served in the Israeli military. He pointed that out to me when I said I was embarrassed to possibly be related to Lord Haw Haw.

217 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:43pm

re: #214 Interesting Times

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No wonder why NRO and Romney want to ignore them.

218 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:32:58pm

From The Onion:

BREAKING: Bill Clinton Finally Just Shows America His Penis

219 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:34:08pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

Because clearly not being Hispanic enough has prevented many people from becoming President of the United States.

//

Even better, the thrust of the article is that he speaks very little Spanish, and that his mother wanted him to be highly fluent in English...and that's a problem.

It's the standard "are you authentic? (then you're an alien) versus assimilated? (then you're a horrible fake sellout) strategy.

220 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:34:09pm

re: #215 freetoken

Interesting... but demagogic.

Economic activity is too complex to turn on something as simple as an election.

"It’s unclear how much this finding says about our political and economic systems"
-- Politifact

221 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:34:30pm

re: #194 The Ghost of a Flea

The Daily Caller has already determined that Julian Castro is Insufficiently Hispanic and thus not a threat to Marco Rubio

I'm not even sure what that means.

222 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:35:44pm

re: #214 Interesting Times

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Well yes, but what does CNN say?

//

223 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:35:46pm

re: #198 RadicalModerate

Been browsing various forums to gauge how responses to President Clinton's speech were going.

Comment of the night, clearly goes to one on Fark:

"Lucky the GOP won't get pregnant cuz this is legitimate rape."

Rape jokes aren't funny.

Still... upding.

224 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:36:28pm

re: #221 Mocking Jay

I'm not even sure what that means.

For a bunch of non-racists, they sure are keen on making sure everyone fits into their notion of whats racially pure.

225 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:37:02pm

re: #209 jaunte

I really wish that was an employment graph not a freaking Wall Street stat. AFAIK that goes to a big part of the ongoing problem. Wall street interests first, everything else second.

Now I'm not blaming Obama for that, it rests with congress, the Fed Banhk and the regulators such as they were. It's just not a great bragging point to me. Not until people are back to work at the same level as before the recession.

226 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:37:17pm

re: #221 Mocking Jay

I'm not even sure what that means.

It means they're idiots who think that Julian Castro is going to run for POTUS in 2016.

He's not going to run for a national office anytime soon. He's got to win a state office of some sort first, like a seat in Congress or the Senate, or the governor's office.

227 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:37:23pm

re: #221 Mocking Jay

I'm not even sure what that means.

It means he's '"articulate".
But my racist is a little rusty.

228 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:38:15pm

re: #225 Daniel Ballard

Part of the picture that's missing is simply the change in the economy over time, with more manufacturing jobs going overseas, and not enough retraining for new kinds of work.

229 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:38:22pm

re: #226 Lidane

It means they're idiots who think that Julian Castro is going to run for POTUS in 2016.

He's not going to run for a national office anytime soon. He's got to win a state office of some sort first, like a seat in Congress or the Senate, or the governor's office.

They seem awfully sure that Rubio is going to be nominated. I'll tell you what's pathetic is the fact that Rubio has birthers and they come from people who should love him.

230 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:38:26pm

Nutty American religious groups are a dime a dozen...

"American Bible Challenge - Questions they will not ask":

Youtube Video
231 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:41:54pm

Honest question:

How can this election be this close at this point?

C'mon, America, REALLY?

232 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:42:14pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Electrolytes.

233 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:42:18pm

Review starts at 1:48:

Youtube Video
234 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:43:24pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Honest question:

How can this election be this close at this point?

C'mon, America, REALLY?

Because some people enjoy ignorance.

235 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:43:59pm

re: #230 freetoken

Nutty American religious groups are a dime a dozen...

"American Bible Challenge - Questions they will not ask":

[Embedded content]

Bah. I want to know what the Bible says about things that are relevant and enlightening in the modern age.

"What does the Bible say you are to do with a slave who runs away? Contestant #1!"

236 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:44:11pm

re: #231 austin_blue

Honest question:

How can this election be this close at this point?

C'mon, America, REALLY?

I don't know. I don't think we're ever going to see like 1984 again though.

237 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:45:03pm

re: #232 jaunte

Electrolytes.

Funny!

Not an answer, but damn funny. Blame it on Gatorade!

238 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:45:20pm

Do they usually do the roll call this late? I don't remember this happening at this time in 08.

239 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:45:39pm

re: #221 Mocking Jay

I'm not even sure what that means.

I'm not either, but I think the basic premise is that Rubio will appeal better to Latino voters...though that makes no sense since they're not in direct competition.

re: #224 Kragar

For a bunch of non-racists, they sure are keen on making sure everyone fits into their notion of whats racially pure.

It's part of the moving goalpost of racist standards and the idea of assimilation: you say, "you behave this way, but if you behaved like us we'd respect you more." When someone takes you up on the metric...for examples the Indians who "assimilated" during the Raj...you accuse them of being spineless mimics with no sense of identity, and renege your initial proposition to respect them. And not just social respect them...this little legerdemain act was a common justification for keeping ethnic groups as second-class citizens in colonial nations all over the world (and something similar occurred in the US South).

240 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:45:39pm

John Oliver critical of President

Oliver was critical of the Obama campaign's decision to move the president's Thursday night convention speech from the Bank of America Stadium to the Time Warner Arena because of the possibility of bad weather.

Oliver, who is British, compared the event to the Queen's jubilee this summer.

"At the Queen's jubilee, we had a 1,000 person flotilla and it just rained and rained on it," he said.

He said that there was no way the Queen, who is 86 years old, could handle the rain and Americans couldn't.

"There is nothing funnier than a wet queen," Oliver said. "We didn't cancel it. We made her get wet. If the queen can do it, so can [Obama]."

241 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:46:07pm
242 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:47:05pm

re: #240 Kragar

John Oliver critical of President

Thunder storms are different than just rain.

243 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:48:18pm
244 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:48:51pm

re: #243 darthstar

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Hahaha.

245 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:48:53pm

re: #242 darthstar

Thunder storms are different than just rain.

Its one of the Daily Show guys.

246 dragonath  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:49:16pm

Mmm, rain soaked microphones...

I'll pass.

247 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:49:32pm

re: #232 jaunte

Electrolytes.

Brawndo. It has electrolytes.

248 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:49:40pm

re: #245 Kragar

Its one of the Daily Show guys.

I know. Oliver was being sarcastic, but the GOP doesn't do sarcasm...hell, they take the bible literally.

249 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:50:00pm

Krauthammer: DNC Has Known What Weather Will Be For ‘Months’

MORON!

FUCKING MORON!

STOP BEING SO WRONG!

250 darthstar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:51:20pm

Image: 538981_483501688327481_564999678_n.jpg

251 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:51:45pm

Politifact rates Bill Clinton's night at the Democratic convention
[Link: www.politifact.com...]

252 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:52:24pm

re: #250 darthstar

Image: 538981_483501688327481_564999678_n.jpg

Pining for the fjords.

253 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:53:16pm

re: #249 Mocking Jay

Krauthammer: DNC Has Known What Weather Will Be For ‘Months’

MORON!

FUCKING MORON!

STOP BEING SO WRONG!

Uh really they knew that September 7th was going to be a rainy day "months ago." I don't even know what to say to this but this is stupid even for a man who specializes in the delivery of bullshit.

254 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:53:43pm

re: #249 Mocking Jay

Krauthammer: DNC Has Known What Weather Will Be For ‘Months’

MORON!

FUCKING MORON!

STOP BEING SO WRONG!

They set that hurricane loose on Tampa, but expect us to believe that can't keep it from raining for one night for the DNC? Do they take us for fools?
///

255 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:54:37pm

re: #249 Mocking Jay

they knew what the weather was going to be months ago

Remarkable.

256 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:55:40pm

re: #235 Mocking Jay

Bah. I want to know what the Bible says about things that are relevant and enlightening in the modern age.

"What does the Bible say you are to do with a slave who runs away? Contestant #1!"

Don't return him, and allow him to settle among you. Deuteronomy is pretty clear on this point.

Probably a bunch of Quakers could have given you chapter and verse on that one a hundred-fifty years back or so.

257 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:56:17pm

Goodnight all.

258 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:56:29pm

re: #255 jaunte

Remarkable.

Dems have magical powers about weather prediction. Still wrong on global warming, though...

259 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:57:28pm

re: #256 SanFranciscoZionist

Don't return him, and allow him to settle among you. Deuteronomy is pretty clear on this point.

Probably a bunch of Quakers could have given you chapter and verse on that one a hundred-fifty years back or so.

I... I wasn't really looking for an answer. Hell, I was hoping not to get one, truth be told. :P

260 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:58:25pm

Kevin Drum:
Bill Clinton Wows 'Em in Charlotte

"...It's hard to judge convention speeches when you're a partisan yourself, but it sure seems as if Democrats have the better of things this year on the rhetorical front. Yesterday Michelle Obama gave probably the best speech a First Lady has given since Eleanor Roosevelt, and tonight Bill Clinton gave one of the best speeches he's ever given. That's a pretty high bar.

It went long, of course. It was Bill Clinton, after all. But I'll bet the viewing audience loved it. And he sure seemed to be having a great time. He went after Republicans about as hard as anyone has done yet, but he did it with a smile and a real sense of joy at being in the arena. Like this:

In Tampa — did y’all watch their convention? I did. In Tampa, the Republican argument against the president’s re-election was actually pretty simple — pretty snappy. It went something like this: We left him a total mess. He hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough. So fire him and put us back in.

261 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 9:59:16pm

re: #71 OhNoZombies!

The first stage of mourning a loss is denial.

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt...

262 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:02:17pm

Bill Clinton Shows How It's Done

"... Bill Clinton spoke for nearly 50 minutes. His speech was dense, didactic and loaded with statistics and details. The paper version handed out to reporters took up four single-spaced pages in a tiny font, and he departed from it frequently. It may have been the most effective speech of either political convention.

The reason wasn't Clinton's oft-hyped "charisma," some kind of intangible political magnetism. Sure, Clinton has that -- a remarkable looseness and intimacy that draws listeners powerfully into his aura. But the strength of his speech came in its efforts to persuade.

Clinton made arguments. He talked through his reasoning. He went point by point through the case he wanted to make. He kept telling the audience he was talking to them and he wanted them to listen. In an age when so many political speeches are pure acts of rhetoric, full of stirring sentiments but utterly devoid of informational value -- when trying to win people over to your point of view is cynically assumed to be futile, so you settle for riling them up instead -- Clinton's felt like a whole different thing. In an era of detergent commercials, he delivered a real political speech."

263 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:08:27pm

re: #223 Mocking Jay

Rape jokes aren't funny.

Still... upding.

George Carlin would have disagreed with you on that.

264 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:09:57pm

re: #263 Gert Fröbe

George Carlin would have disagreed with you on that.

Heh. I remember that.

265 jaunte  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:11:02pm

Voyager 1 was 35 today:

On September 5, 1977, NASA’s Voyager 1 spacecraft lifted off from Cape Canaveral, Florida, aboard a Titan-Centaur rocket. Thirty-five years later, the planetary probe is now an interstellar traveler, having traveled farther from Earth than any manmade object in history. As of 21:00 Universal Time on September 4, 2012, Voyager 1 was 18.21 billion kilometers (11.31 billion miles) from home, or 121 times the distance from the Earth to the Sun. Light takes 33 hours and 44 minutes to travel the distance from the Sun to Voyager 1 and back.

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

266 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:13:34pm

For contrast, here is Truman campaigning in 1944... pick it up at around 4:30 and listen for a while, and compare to today's situation:

MP3 Audio
267 simoom  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:18:26pm

Gabby Douglas led the opening pledge of allegiance today, Gabby Giffords will lead the pledge tomorrow.

268 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:18:40pm

It's funny how little many of the key issues have not changed, comparing Truman's speech to this week's convention.

Truman promising health insurance to all... good teachers for all students... Republicans obstructing in Congress...

Some things don't change quickly.

269 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:22:07pm

re: #268 freetoken

It's funny how little many of the key issues have not changed, comparing Truman's speech to this week's convention.

Truman promising health insurance to all... good teachers for all students... Republicans obstructing in Congress...

Some things don't change quickly.

This election does feel like '48 at times though unlike Thomas Dewey, I don't think Mitt would be a decent president.

270 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:27:58pm

re: #268 freetoken

It's funny how little many of the key issues have not changed, comparing Truman's speech to this week's convention.

Truman promising health insurance to all... good teachers for all students... Republicans obstructing in Congress...

Some things don't change quickly.

i've spent most of my adult life listening to republican rhetoric become more and more debased, and ignorance and hate being spawned with more and more finely honed technique, and i just wonder sometimes where the hell it's all going to end

271 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:29:22pm

re: #270 engineer cat

i've spent most of my adult life listening to republican rhetoric become more and more debased, and ignorance and hate being spawned with more and more finely honed technique, and i just wonder sometimes where the hell it's all going to end

Republican policy will see us all dead with no idea of why its happening.

272 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:43:03pm

re: #249 Mocking Jay

Krauthammer: DNC Has Known What Weather Will Be For ‘Months’

MORON!

FUCKING MORON!

STOP BEING SO WRONG!

It can't be stated enough-- Krauthammer is a hack.

What. The. Fuck. Obama can just schedule the weather now? Is that the new meme?

273 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:45:07pm

re: #272 Lidane

It can't be stated enough-- Krauthammer is a hack.

What. The. Fuck. Obama can just schedule the weather now? Is that the new meme?

I think he will claim that he was talking about the climate but even if so. Trends are just that- trends. And yeah that can't be stated enough.

274 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:46:39pm

re: #272 Lidane

It can't be stated enough-- Krauthammer is a hack.

What. The. Fuck. Obama can just schedule the weather now? Is that the new meme?

TV's Frank knows the answer...

Youtube Video
275 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:51:01pm
276 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:52:20pm

re: #275 Lidane

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i think GW Bush may have been mentioned more favorably tonight albeit in his work as a former president in humanitarian efforts than he was at the whole RNC.

277 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:54:30pm

re: #249 Mocking Jay

Krauthammer: DNC Has Known What Weather Will Be For ‘Months’

This seems applicable:

MP3 Audio
278 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 10:56:40pm

re: #277 freetoken

This seems applicable:

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Youtube Video
279 Lidane  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:00:12pm
280 Kragar  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:04:28pm

re: #279 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Best zingers from the RNC

Youtube Video
281 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:07:18pm

They're driving me to this...

MP3 Audio
282 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:08:04pm

re: #280 Kragar

Best zingers from the RNC

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Chris Christie yelled at someone. Speaking of which, seems to me that a lot of these Democratic speeches have completely overshadowed Christie's. Liked that Castro contrasted very positively with Christie much like Obama in 2004 was a positive contrast to Zell Miller(I think Zell was the 2004 RNC keynote anyhow).

283 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:08:42pm

A better version, featuring Mel Blanc:

MP3 Audio
284 freetoken  Wed, Sep 5, 2012 11:20:04pm

For some reason, all this talk about Mitt and Krauthammer is putting me in the mood for Mantovani...

285 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:15:38am

Heh, true:

286 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:23:50am

Charlie Pierce over at Esquire blogged about tonight's epic Clinton win:

There are two things I now know for certain in this world.

Number One: Bill Clinton. At least 300 electoral votes. Against anyone. Tomorrow.

Number Two (and I say this as delicately as I possibly can): I would crawl on my knees naked through four miles of crushed glass just to listen, on a bad radio, to a debate between Bill Clinton and the zombie-eyed granny-starver Paul Ryan.

Number Three: Any reporter who complained about the length of that speech has no soul. There weren't four non-media people in the hall who wouldn't have sat there for another 15 minutes. I even didn't object — much — when Clinton started talking about The Deficit and shilling for the non-existent "Simpson-Bowles Plan." (There was no plan, I tell you!) There was as complete a merger of speaker and audience as you are ever going to see. More than any politician of the age, Bill Clinton inhabits a room and, at the same time, envelops it within himself. He breathes it in like oxygen.

So that was actually three things. Anyway, what struck me most was how much Arkansas we're-heah-to-nominate-a-president-I-got-one-in-mahnd he let into his voice. As Chuck Berry once put it, the man was campaign-shoutin' like a Southern diplomat.

287 freetoken  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:01:49am

Back when I was young FM stereo was a bit of a novelty, and not much was happening on the FM band. Usually the local university public radio station, or a religious station, was about it.

Anyway, here is an FM stereo broadcast from 1969, when the medium was young. Barbirolli is conducting a couple of little Delius gems:

MP3 Audio
288 researchok  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:09:25am

Morning, all

289 researchok  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:17:37am

re: #287 freetoken

I was a kid in 1969, but it's hard to believe that was another era.

Actually, maybe not so hard to believe.

Time flies.

290 simoom  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:19:56am

re: #36 HappyWarrior

And now we're going to probably hear about how the Lewinsky scandal was just awful, awful.

AP somehow worked it into what must be the stupidest Fing "fact check" in the history of fact-checking:

[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

CLINTON: "Their campaign pollster said, 'We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.' Now that is true. I couldn't have said it better myself — I just hope you remember that every time you see the ad."

THE FACTS: Clinton, who famously finger-wagged a denial on national television about his sexual relationship with intern Monica Lewinsky and was subsequently impeached in the House on a perjury charge, has had his own uncomfortable moments over telling the truth. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky," Clinton told television viewers. Later, after he was forced to testify to a grand jury, Clinton said his statements were "legally accurate" but also allowed that he "misled people, including even my wife."

Wut???

291 researchok  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:24:03am

re: #281 freetoken

re: #283 freetoken

You're right.

The Mel Blanc version is way better

292 researchok  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:29:09am

re: #277 freetoken

Sometimes I think this should have been the theme song at this years' GOP convention.

Youtube Video
293 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 1:55:36am

re: #292 researchok

Sometimes I think this should have been the theme song at this years' GOP convention.

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or this...

Youtube Video
294 Kragar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:07:14am

Of course this might be more to Mitt's liking

Youtube Video
295 researchok  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:09:00am

re: #293 Kragar

Oh yeah, this will get forwarded.

I laughed.

296 simoom  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:21:03am

Frum, responding to Clinton raising the swift & severe Romney/Ryan medicaid cuts:

297 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:57:31am

re: #281 freetoken

They're driving me to this...

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Woody Peckerwood...

298 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 2:58:46am

Morning Honcos.

299 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:14:20am

re: #298 Cannadian Club Akbar

Morning Honcos.

'Morning.

She wouldn't have left them out if she didn't want them eaten...

That one is broken...almost all the way through...

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:17:56am

re: #299 Decatur Deb

'Morning.

She wouldn't have left them out if she didn't want them eaten...

That one is broken...almost all the way through...

If she didn't want them eaten then what did she cook them for?

301 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:19:18am

re: #300 Cannadian Club Akbar

If she didn't want them eaten then what did she cook them for?

'zactly.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:23:59am

re: #301 Decatur Deb

'zactly.

I'm not to worried about eating them as long as I get to lick the bowl.

303 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:26:27am

Thin crowd this (5:26) AM. I stayed up later than I planned.

304 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:27:00am

Don't know if I've already posted these, but they deserve a repost-- my friend Christian made me a mask-- my brother Mike bought it as a wedding present for me-- called Myself Masquerading as My Own Creation.

Image: Mmamoc1.JPG

Image: Mmamoc2.JPG

Image: Mmamoc3.JPG

It's about two and a half feet long. And the thing of it is, it really does kind of look like Christian.

305 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:27:27am

re: #304 Obdicut

Dang it, screwed up the pictures, redoing now.

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:28:50am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Thin crowd this (5:26) AM. I stayed up later than I planned.

Up late or up early?

307 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:29:46am

There we go. Reload and they should work.

308 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:30:27am

So this Saturday they are having a "once a year block party" in my new town. Apparently, it's a big deal. Around 60K people. Bands on every block. Looking forward to it.

309 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:30:48am

re: #308 Cannadian Club Akbar

What town?

310 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:31:09am

re: #307 Obdicut

There we go. Reload and they should work.

The links worked the first time around, for me at least.

311 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:31:10am

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

Up late or up early?

Both. Gonna have to nap this afternoon, once I switch from coffee to wine.

312 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:31:55am

Wife stirring. Will appease her with coffee.

313 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:37:43am

re: #309 Obdicut

What town?

I live where it snows now.

314 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 3:38:39am

re: #312 Decatur Deb

Wife stirring. Will appease her with coffee.

Wine. It's not just for breakfast anymore.

315 ozbloke  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 4:41:58am

Just watched Bill's speech.

Perhaps he should be a spokesman for the DNC, great job.

316 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:19:50am

re: #303 Decatur Deb

Thin crowd this (5:26) AM. I stayed up later than I planned.

I got lubricated earlier than planned.

317 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:22:59am

But. But. Jimmy Carter!

318 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:24:51am
319 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:25:34am
320 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:36:21am

re: #277 freetoken

Umm,wasn't it the Republicans that had to cancel a day of their convention because they scheduled it IN FLORIDA DURING HURRICANE SEASON? In Tampa,on the Gulf Coast? If I recall correctly hurricane season is the same damned time frame every year. So they kinda knew in advance they could possibly get hammered with lots of rain and wind. Morons.

321 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:39:12am

re: #290 simoom

AP somehow worked it into what must be the stupidest Fing "fact check" in the history of fact-checking:

[Link: www.seattlepi.com...]

Wut???

Heh yeah that's really weird.

322 Sionainn  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:42:15am

re: #123 The Ghost of a Flea

Ryan Says Prayer in Schools Is a State Issue

Of fucking course. "A State Issue" is euphemism for "we can't achieve it on the federal level because of the obvious Constitutional issues, but segregation and abortion laws prove that state can totally get away with peeing on individual rights, if only by spending wodges of cash on defending shitty laws."

Besides being way behind what I had already learned in first grade, one of my lasting memories of going to school in South Carolina in 1973 was prayer in school. Even then I didn't get it and found it to be a ridiculous waste of time. In the morning, we said The Lord's Prayer and at lunch we lined up in the classroom to head to the cafeteria. We had to say grace before we left. Isn't grace supposed to be said over food?!? Ugh. Prayer in school? NO.

323 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:50:33am

I'm also still waiting for the falcon of darkness to answer my questions from the Michelle Obama thread from yesterday. Come on Dark,convince me to trust and vote for Republicans. And yes,I'm busting your hump about this because I want to seriously know the answers to the following:

1)what does the GOP plan on replacing Obamacare with?

2)what do they plan on doing to lower the unemployment rate to under 7 percent? (and crappy low paying jobs aren't the answer here either.Try living on 8.50 an hour,with a family and no health insurance)

3)why should I trust and vote for Republicans? Especially as a woman with a child with a developmental disability. Convince me,I'm listening.....

324 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:53:33am

re: #318 Gus

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If Obama's campaign is smart, they run with the fact that he has Clinton behind him. I heard something yesterday that Bill's approval rating is 69% and he's obviously associated with more prosperous times. He's probably one of if not Obama's best surrogates.

325 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:55:13am

re: #321 HappyWarrior

Heh yeah that's really weird.

Monica Lewinsky!!11ty

326 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:56:06am

re: #319 Gus

[Embedded content]

CNBC ‏@CNBC

BREAKING: Initial jobless claims decline 12,000 to 365,000 for the week ended Sept. 1.

Sorry I haven't figured out how to post Tweets. But this was on their feed about 15 minutes after the one you posted. Plus another that broke down the hiring by industry, which was private sector which were all positive. WTF am I missing?

327 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:57:37am

re: #325 Gus

Monica Lewinsky!!11ty

I iz prophetic:

328 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:57:50am

re: #326 Cannadian Club Akbar

CNBC ‏@CNBC

BREAKING: Initial jobless claims decline 12,000 to 365,000 for the week ended Sept. 1.

Sorry I haven't figured out how to post Tweets. But this was on their feed about 15 minutes after the one you posted. Plus another that broke down the hiring by industry, which was private sector which were all positive. WTF am I missing?

Ask Lawhawk. I'm waking up and drinking coffee.

329 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:58:32am

re: #320 A Mom Anon

Umm,wasn't it the Republicans that had to cancel a day of their convention because they scheduled it IN FLORIDA DURING HURRICANE SEASON? In Tampa,on the Gulf Coast? If I recall correctly hurricane season is the same damned time frame every year. So they kinda knew in advance they could possibly get hammered with lots of rain and wind. Morons.

One third of the US population lives in hurricane zones from Massachusetts to Texas. This includes Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Richmond, Charleston, EVERY city in Florida, New Orleans, Houston, Corpus Christi..... Hurricane season is from June to Nov 1. So it is moronic that none of those cities can be part of the convention process? I guess that rules out any cities in CA....they could have an earthquake. Guess we should move the inauguration out of DC in January....could snow.

330 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 5:59:41am

re: #327 Interesting Times

I iz prophetic:

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While Newt Gingrich and the rest of the Republicans were freaking out about the Lewinsky affair, Newt was likely getting blow jobs from Callista Bisek -- behind the back of his then wife, Marianne Ginther.

331 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:00:09am
332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:00:42am

re: #328 Gus

Ask Lawhawk. I'm waking up and drinking coffee.

Jobless claims were still there but not what was expected.
[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]
This is why I drink. Well that and...I'll think of something.:)

333 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:00:56am

re: #330 Gus

While Newt Gingrich and the rest of the Republicans were freaking out about the Lewinsky affair, Newt was likely getting blow jobs from Callista Bisek -- behind the back of his then wife, Marianne Ginther.

Bob Livingston. Really, I remember all the phony moral outrages of the Clinton years. The right tried to spread this idea that Clinton was somehow responsible for kids finding about sex. Yeah because kids aren't going to find out about that through other means.

334 ShaunP  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:03:50am

Morning lizards...

335 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:04:04am

re: #329 Big Steve

I was responding the the idiotic claim by Krauthammer that the Dems knew there might be weather issues in Charlotte months ago.(Dems have moved Obama's speech today from the outdoor stadium to inside the convention center-smaller venue-because of heavy storms expected with lightning) This,after having to adjust their own convention because of the weather.

Try not to reply to me like I'm stupid. The whole discussion was based on Krauthammer's idiocy,not mine.

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:04:18am

re: #329 Big Steve

One third of the US population lives in hurricane zones from Massachusetts to Texas. This includes Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Richmond, Charleston, EVERY city in Florida, New Orleans, Houston, Corpus Christi..... Hurricane season is from June to Nov 1. So it is moronic that none of those cities can be part of the convention process? I guess that rules out any cities in CA....they could have an earthquake. Guess we should move the inauguration out of DC in January....could snow.

Also, Charlotte is in the path of storms. Tampa hasn't had a direct hit since 1921 (Tarpon Springs storm). But we did have Isaac (I wasn't there) but earlier had Debby, which took her sweet ass time moving along which absolutely flooded Tampa. And these conventions are planned many years ahead, so...

337 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:05:02am

re: #334 ShaunP

Morning lizards...

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Howard Derp

338 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:06:29am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, Isaac slowed down big time over Louisiana which is why they are flooded so bad. If a storm gets through quickly, that's one thing. If it feels like hanging out, that is when the serious flooding happens.

339 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:06:38am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, Charlotte is in the path of storms. Tampa hasn't had a direct hit since 1921 (Tarpon Springs storm). But we did have Isaac (I wasn't there) but earlier had Debby, which took her sweet ass time moving along which absolutely flooded Tampa. And these conventions are planned many years ahead, so...

Psst it's a mocking of Krauthammer for acting like an idiot and claiming that "they knew what the weather was going to be like months ago" referring to Obama's speech being moved indoors.

340 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:06:52am
341 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:07:08am

re: #339 HappyWarrior

Psst it's a mocking of Krauthammer for acting like an idiot and claiming that "they knew what the weather was going to be like months ago" referring to Obama's speech being moved indoors.

Oh. Didn't know that.

342 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:07:58am

re: #341 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oh. Didn't know that.

It's cool man.

343 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:09:47am

BBL,have to take the best doggie in the world to the vet this morning. She is not going to be a happy camper...

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:09:50am

re: #342 HappyWarrior

It's cool man.

I can give you the Florida forecast from April to October: It will rain at 3PM. It will be hotter than the face of the sun. Occasional hurricane. :)

345 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:10:20am

Swing states beware: It’s the latest attack of the nonstop attack ads

...

Federal candidates and their supporters are gearing up to unleash up to $3 billion worth of advertising and other expenditures over the next nine weeks, drowning battleground areas in political ads and setting loose legions of canvassers aimed at getting out the vote on Nov. 6.

In the presidential contest alone, President Obama, Republican nominee Mitt Romney and their allies are poised to spend well over $1 billion from now to November, much of it focused on the handful of swing states that are likely to decide the election, according to a Washington Post analysis of campaign finance reports and other data.

...

346 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:11:25am

Walmart-Nation

347 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:12:00am

re: #340 Lidane

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Fox setting the journalism bar real low I see.

348 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:12:41am

re: #336 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also, Charlotte is in the path of storms. Tampa hasn't had a direct hit since 1921 (Tarpon Springs storm). But we did have Isaac (I wasn't there) but earlier had Debby, which took her sweet ass time moving along which absolutely flooded Tampa. And these conventions are planned many years ahead, so...

yea....there is a good site....Hurricane Chances where you can select a state and county and it gives you the yearly likelihood. My area is Galveston which is 3.9% per year.

349 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:13:43am

Who will fact check the fact checkers?

I'm noticing those most whiney about fact checkers are the previous batch of partisan propagandists. Taranto is in attack mode.

I suppose there will be a bunch of 'fact checkers' working at Breitbart now to close that gap.

350 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:13:55am

re: #345 Gus

Swing states beware: It’s the latest attack of the nonstop attack ads

There must be an optimum number of ads. It'll be interesting to see if the TPGOP exceeds it.

351 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:14:45am

re: #349 Kronocide

Who will fact check the fact checkers?

We all will on election day.

352 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:15:03am

re: #349 Kronocide

Who will fact check the fact checkers?

I'm noticing those most whiney about fact checkers are the previous batch of partisan propagandists. Taranto is in attack mode.

I suppose there will be a bunch of 'fact checkers' working at Breitbart now to close that gap.

Taranto. [Spit.]

353 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:15:35am

re: #349 Kronocide

Who will fact check the fact checkers?

I'm noticing those most whiney about fact checkers are the previous batch of partisan propagandists. Taranto is in attack mode.

I suppose there will be a bunch of 'fact checkers' working at Breitbart now to close that gap.

354 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:16:12am

re: #348 Big Steve

My old county was 8%. Not sure about that unless they think "Well, you're due"

355 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:18:39am

Romney's minions dismiss the fact checkers, and lookey here... the non-mainstream press seem to take a new look at fact checkers.

Noted.

356 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:18:45am

From the AP "fact check":

CLINTON: "Their campaign pollster said, 'We're not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.' Now that is true. I couldn't have said it better myself — I just hope you remember that every time you see the ad."

THE FACTS: Clinton, who famously finger-wagged a denial on national television about his sexual relationship with intern Monica Lewinsky and was subsequently impeached in the House on a perjury charge, has had his own uncomfortable moments over telling the truth. "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky," Clinton told television viewers. Later, after he was forced to testify to a grand jury, Clinton said his statements were "legally accurate" but also allowed that he "misled people, including even my wife."

357 Sionainn  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:19:19am

re: #329 Big Steve

One third of the US population lives in hurricane zones from Massachusetts to Texas. This includes Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington, Richmond, Charleston, EVERY city in Florida, New Orleans, Houston, Corpus Christi..... Hurricane season is from June to Nov 1. So it is moronic that none of those cities can be part of the convention process? I guess that rules out any cities in CA....they could have an earthquake. Guess we should move the inauguration out of DC in January....could snow.

Las Vegas! They need to do these things in Las Vegas. We need the money and we have the rooms.

358 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:20:18am

re: #352 Gus

Taranto. [Spit.]

He'll probably go too far at WSJ sooner or later. Any guesses as to where he'd land? My guess is Breitbart would give him his own blog, call it Big Fact Checking.

359 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:21:21am

re: #358 Kronocide

He'll probably go too far at WSJ sooner or later. Any guesses as to where he'd land? My guess is Breitbart would give him his own blog, call it Big Fact Checking.

Breitbart. He's trashy just like everyone that works there.

360 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:21:38am

re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar

My old county was 8%. Not sure about that unless they think "Well, you're due"

well it is a statistical chance so at 8% you probably get hit once every 12 years or so.....but still means you could get hit twice in one year and go 24 until the next.

361 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:22:22am

re: #357 Sionainn

Las Vegas! They need to do these things in Las Vegas. We need the money and we have the rooms.

The right would bring back all the "Don't go to Vegas" quotes from a couple years ago.

362 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:22:58am

re: #357 Sionainn

Las Vegas! They need to do these things in Las Vegas. We need the money and we have the rooms.

I would sign up to be a delegate for a convention there!

363 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:23:17am

re: #360 Big Steve

well it is a statistical chance so at 8% you probably get hit once every 12 years or so.....but still means you could get hit twice in one year and go 24 until the next.

The Tampa Bay area hasn't had a direct hit in 91 years.

364 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:25:59am

re: #356 Gus

From the AP "fact check":

Wow AP, I totally did not know that Bill Clinton had an extramarital affair. Now, about that point about the Romney campaign and fact checkers.

365 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:26:58am
366 Petero1818  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:27:16am

Kind of sad to see all the talk this morning is about the Jerusalem language. Particularly when it is entirely lip service. Every President has in the past called for Jerusalem as the capital and said they would move their embassy. Not one, not one Republican or Democrat has done a damn thing to do so. It is pure lip service without any meaning whatsoever. Obama has supported Israel completely but at the same time he has toned down the incendiary rhetoric to appear as a more honest broker in the Middle East. In the end, most Israel supporters role their eyes, they know this issue is a red herring. They see the facts, that there is literally no substantive change in the Israel / US relationship under Obama (other than the fact that he doesnt like Bibi - which in my opinion shows his good judgement). I do think however that this was really poorly handled to have this play out on the convention floor.

367 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:27:43am

re: #364 HappyWarrior

Wow AP, I totally did not know that Bill Clinton had an extramarital affair. Now, about that point about the Romney campaign and fact checkers.

368 Sionainn  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:28:06am

re: #361 Cannadian Club Akbar

The right would bring back all the "Don't go to Vegas" quotes from a couple years ago.

Well, anyone with half a brain understood exactly what Obama said. Unfortunately, it appears that there are a lot of people out there walking around with less than half a brain.

369 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:29:32am
370 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:30:16am
371 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:31:05am

Derp.

372 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:32:08am

re: #369 Learned Mother of Zion

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Reverse conspiracy theories! Wheee!

373 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:32:36am

The Derp Father, starring Charles Krauthammer.

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:33:02am

re: #368 Sionainn

Well, anyone with half a brain understood exactly what Obama said. Unfortunately, it appears that there are a lot of people out their walking around with less than half a brain.

Agreed. But I look at things as if I were a political strategist and what I would use to sway peoples thought. (I do it with both sides) It's kinda a hobby. Also, I have said many times that many, not all, will vote according to the last commercial they saw/heard.

375 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:34:40am

re: #372 Gus

Reverse conspiracy theories! Wheee!

MJay forgets that if Gore had won, we would have had a Jewish VP.

376 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:34:57am

[Link: www.thebricktestament.com...]

377 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:35:27am
378 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:36:43am

MJay calls Obama an "Israel Firster"

379 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:37:19am

I can't retweet MJay cause he blocked me for calling him a dweeb.

380 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:37:26am

Oh ouch. Local employment news is not good. A bunch of Albertsons supermarkets are closing, 19 stores in my area. The parent company is closing 60 locations by December 1st. That's gonna hurt LA.

[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]

381 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:37:48am

re: #375 Learned Mother of Zion

MJay forgets that if Gore had won, we would have had a Jewish VP.

If Gore has won it is very likely that the WTC attack would have occurred. These bozos and their reverse conspiracies are annoying.

382 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:39:14am

re: #369 Learned Mother of Zion

That's a mind-blowing level of stupid. Did MJay forget that the first time Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center was in 1993? They didn't give a damn who was POTUS. They were determined to hit us anyway.

383 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:39:22am

Mitt Romney Tax Return Theft Allegation Investigated By Secret Service
FRANKLIN, Tenn. -- The Secret Service said Wednesday it is investigating the reported theft of copies of Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney's federal tax records during a break-in at an accounting office in Franklin. Someone claiming responsibility demanded $1 million not to make them public.
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

I heard earlier that the ransom was to be paid in Farmville coins. We'll have to wait and see.

384 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:40:15am

re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar

The Tampa Bay area hasn't had a direct hit in 91 years.

Interesting because it shows a 3% chance....so way over due!

385 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:40:18am

re: #370 Gus

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Well, you either know what the weather is likely to be at that time, in that area, or you forgot to check.

When we went to Florida in June, we never thought to check what the weather normally is in Florida in June.

Rains every afternoon.

Guess what? It rained every afternoon, except for the day we left, when it rained hard all day.

If you come to Oregon in November, it's going to be rainy and overcast and sort of cold. I promise.

386 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:41:03am

re: #383 Cannadian Club Akbar

I heard earlier that the ransom was to be paid in Farmville coins. We'll have to wait and see.

I heard they wanted the mil in gift cards to Chuck E. Cheese.

387 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:42:22am

re: #380 Daniel Ballard

We had some close in Florida but they were turned into Publix markets. They kept most of the employees. Not sure what will happen there.

388 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:43:15am

re: #382 Lidane

That's a mind-blowing level of stupid. Did MJay forget that the first time Al Qaeda attacked the World Trade Center was in 1993? They didn't give a damn who was POTUS. They were determined to hit us anyway.

It's how revisionism works. But people who argue that are the same who think Gore was on the left and that Jimmy Carter was our last "true" liberal president.

389 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:43:19am

re: #366 Petero1818

Kind of sad to see all the talk this morning is about the Jerusalem language. Particularly when it is entirely lip service. Every President has in the past called for Jerusalem as the capital and said they would move their embassy. Not one, not one Republican or Democrat has done a damn thing to do so. It is pure lip service without any meaning whatsoever. Obama has supported Israel completely but at the same time he has toned down the incendiary rhetoric to appear as a more honest broker in the Middle East. In the end, most Israel supporters role their eyes, they know this issue is a red herring. They see the facts, that there is literally no substantive change in the Israel / US relationship under Obama (other than the fact that he doesnt like Bibi - which in my opinion shows his good judgement). I do think however that this was really poorly handled to have this play out on the convention floor.

totally agree....no one gives a crap about the language in the platform. But doing the change last minute with it looking like a cluster fuck was very craven and the visual of the delegates booing (which I believe they were booing the process).....well we are certainly going to be seeing that over and over again in GOP ads for the next two months.

390 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:43:28am

re: #385 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, you either know what the weather is likely to be at that time, in that area, or you forgot to check.

When we went to Florida in June, we never thought to check what the weather normally is in Florida in June.

Rains every afternoon.

Guess what? It rained every afternoon, except for the day we left, when it rained hard all day.

If you come to Oregon in November, it's going to be rainy and overcast and sort of cold. I promise.

Same like hurricane season in Tampa. (cough)

391 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:43:56am

re: #386 makeitstop

I heard they wanted the mil in gift cards to Chuck E. Cheese.

I wasn't kidding. That's why some think it's a hoax. As do I. It wasn't Anonymous, they would have said so.

392 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:44:07am

re: #385 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, you either know what the weather is likely to be at that time, in that area, or you forgot to check.

When we went to Florida in June, we never thought to check what the weather normally is in Florida in June.

Rains every afternoon.

Guess what? It rained every afternoon, except for the day we left, when it rained hard all day.

If you come to Oregon in November, it's going to be rainy and overcast and sort of cold. I promise.

I figure Charlotte's climate is similar to how it is here in Northern Va. Could just as easily be a cloudless day today. Krauthammer's being a concern troll.

393 Coracle  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:44:40am

The factcheckers are mock-annoyed at Clinton for being so correct.

FactCheck.org's Clinton Nightmare

394 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:45:46am

re: #380 Daniel Ballard

Oh ouch. Local employment news is not good. A bunch of Albertsons supermarkets are closing, 19 stores in my area. The parent company is closing 60 locations by December 1st. That's gonna hurt LA.

[Link: losangeles.cbslocal.com...]

Wow. This comes right after their big summer promotion.

We won two doughnuts and a free liter of generic pop.

395 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:47:03am

Holy crap...when even the Murdoch-owned WSJ comes up with a spread like this:

396 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:47:08am

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Charlotte's location puts it in the direct path of subtropical moisture from the Gulf of Mexico as it heads up the eastern seaboard along the jet stream, this city receives ample precipitation throughout the year but also a very large number of clear, sunny, and pleasantly warm days. On average, Charlotte receives about 43.52 in (1105.3 mm) of precipitation annually, including 5.2 inches of snow[1] and more frequent ice storms and sleet.
As I said, could just as likely be a clear day for POTUS's speech. Saying they knew how the weather was going to be months ago is nuts and he knows that.

397 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:49:06am

re: #385 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, you either know what the weather is likely to be at that time, in that area, or you forgot to check.

When we went to Florida in June, we never thought to check what the weather normally is in Florida in June.

Rains every afternoon.

Guess what? It rained every afternoon, except for the day we left, when it rained hard all day.

If you come to Oregon in November, it's going to be rainy and overcast and sort of cold. I promise.

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

I can give you the Florida forecast from April to October: It will rain at 3PM. It will be hotter than the face of the sun. Occasional hurricane. :)

Heh.

398 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:49:13am

re: #395 Interesting Times

Holy crap...when even the Murdoch-owned WSJ comes up with a spread like this:

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We're going to see that Clinton-Obama photo a lot. Clinton is someone associated with a better economy and is well liked. There was a reason why you saw the right wing pundits briefly trying to act like they liked Clinton and "that it's a shame Obama's not more like him." Clinton backing Obama helps Obama's economic creds which is something that will really help him going forward against Romney.

399 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:49:24am

re: #396 HappyWarrior

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Charlotte's location puts it in the direct path of subtropical moisture from the Gulf of Mexico as it heads up the eastern seaboard along the jet stream, this city receives ample precipitation throughout the year but also a very large number of clear, sunny, and pleasantly warm days. On average, Charlotte receives about 43.52 in (1105.3 mm) of precipitation annually, including 5.2 inches of snow[1] and more frequent ice storms and sleet.
As I said, could just as likely be a clear day for POTUS's speech. Saying they knew how the weather was going to be months ago is nuts and he knows that.

Better not plan on that bike tour around Charlotte in September! It might rain!

400 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:50:00am

re: #391 Cannadian Club Akbar

I wasn't kidding. That's why some think it's a hoax. As do I. It wasn't Anonymous, they would have said so.

Oh, I know. Wasn't it actually Bitcoins, though?

Gotta be a hoax. That ain't gonna save them from those charges of extortion they'll face, though. Idiots.

401 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:50:24am

It's the DNC's decision to make and they made it. Obvious concern trolling on the venue change is obvious.

402 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:50:50am

re: #400 makeitstop

Oh, I know. Wasn't it actually Bitcoins, though?

Gotta be a hoax. That ain't gonna save them from those charges of extortion they'll face, though. Idiots.

Bitcoins sound right. I didn't even know what they were. Thank God.

403 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:51:26am

re: #399 Gus

Better not plan on that bike tour around Charlotte in September! It might rain!

Better not to go to a Charlotte Knights game ever!

404 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:52:54am

re: #401 Gus

It's the DNC's decision to make and they made it. Obvious concern trolling on the venue change is obvious.

It's over-cautious, but they really don't want to roll the dice after the way the convention is going. News footage of a few thousand soggy volunteers and delegates would kill the buzz.

405 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:54:51am

LOL This sounds crazy without even listening to it. Typical psycho Morris:

406 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:55:09am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

It's over-cautious, but they really don't want to roll the dice after the way the convention is going. News footage of a few thousand soggy volunteers and delegates would kill the buzz.

Loading 65,000 people into a stadium during a thunderstorm could end very badly. The DNC made the right choice, and the fact that Republicans are grousing about it indicates that they don't have much else to work with.

407 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:57:15am

Looks like Dick Morris is doubling down on the weapons grade stupid:

408 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:57:37am

re: #406 makeitstop

Loading 65,000 people into a stadium during a thunderstorm could end very badly. The DNC made the right choice, and the fact that Republicans are grousing about it indicates that they don't have much else to work with.

They've got a lot of nerve considering their old fart convention was delayed a day because of hurricane Isaac. We all sat around and thought, OK, that makes sense. Instead they turn around and act like children because of this decision. They are truly bizarre, odd and bitter people.

409 Petero1818  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:58:33am

re: #389 Big Steve

totally agree....no one gives a crap about the language in the platform. But doing the change last minute with it looking like a cluster fuck was very craven and the visual of the delegates booing (which I believe they were booing the process).....well we are certainly going to be seeing that over and over again in GOP ads for the next two months.

I believe the booing was not about process. But substantive. There are many in the base for which Israel is a very sore subject. They champion underdogs regardless of the context. They view Israel as evil. They view AIPAC as evil. They view what took place as a hijacking of American foreign policy. They are wrong on most of these counts. Arab Americans know the score here. They know that Obama is no different than Bush/Bush/Clinton/Romney with respect to support for Israel. They know Obama's lip service is essentially lip service, but at least he speaks to them not only of them. This was calculated in that the Arab / Muslim vote is not up for grabs in America. A Muslim would have to be out of his / her mind to vote for Romney and his bank of Crusaders. But, the Jewish vote is in play, perhaps more than ever before. Many older Jews have latched onto the Obama hates Israel lie. This was an unforced error only in that it was not handled prior to the convention. The error itself was forced by a movement amongst some on the left to demonize Israel as the world's greatest oppressor.

410 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 6:58:50am

re: #404 Decatur Deb

It's over-cautious, but they really don't want to roll the dice after the way the convention is going. News footage of a few thousand soggy volunteers and delegates would kill the buzz.

Never mind that there really have been people killed by lightning strikes at outdoor events this summer. Ergo, venue-change concern trolls can get stuffed.

411 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:00:56am

re: #407 Lidane

Looks like Dick Morris is doubling down on the weapons grade stupid:

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That is some 'put your head in a vise and squeeze' sized Derp, right there.

412 Petero1818  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:01:09am

re: #410 Interesting Times

Never mind that there really have been people killed by lightning strikes at outdoor events this summer. Ergo, venue-change concern trolls can get stuffed.

And can you imagine the headlines if they didn't move it and someone was hurt? "Obama's ego kills attendee"...

413 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:02:26am

After Bill Clinton's master class on taking your opponent out to the woodshed, the GOP are clearly desperate to manage expectations for Obama's speech:

414 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:04:10am

re: #413 Lidane

After Bill Clinton's master class on taking your opponent out to the woodshed, the GOP are clearly desperate to manage expectations for Obama's speech:

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Really, they need to just admit that they're going to spin negatively regardless of what or how Obama comes across tonight. It's not rocket science.

415 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06:00am

re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar

O hai. Given the types of stories you normally post, I figured you'd appreciate this:

Turkish woman awaits trial after beheading her alleged rapist

On August 28, at least five months pregnant by a man who she said continued to rape her, Yildirim said she decided she had had enough. Gider was climbing up the back wall of her house. "I knew he was going to rape me again," she said at her preliminary hearing August 30.

She said she grabbed her father-in-law's rifle that was hanging on the wall and she shot him. He tried to draw his gun and she fired again.

"I chased him," she said. "He fell on the ground. He started cussing. I shot his sexual organ this time. He became quiet. I knew he was dead. I then cut his head off."

Witnesses described Yildirim walking into the village square, carrying the man's head by his hair, blood dripping on the ground.

"Don't talk behind my back, don't play with my honor," Yildirim said to the men sitting in the coffee house on the square. "Here is the head of the man who played with my honor."

416 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06:36am

Alex Castellanos, GOP Strategist: Clinton Speech Was 'Moment That Probably Reelected Obama'
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

417 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:06:37am

The wingnut meme this morning is "Dems boo G-D and Jerusalem" and the moonbat meme is "Obama is an Israel-Firster!"

418 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:07:20am

re: #417 Learned Mother of Zion

The wingnut meme this morning is "Dems boo G-D and Jerusalem" and the moonbat meme is "Obama is an Israel-Firster!"

Stealers Wheel was right about the jokers and clowns.

419 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:07:45am

re: #415 Interesting Times

You are correct. NICE!! And good for her.

420 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:08:22am

re: #405 Gus

LOL This sounds crazy without even listening to it. Typical psycho Morris:

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I didn't realize licking prostitutes' feet gave you brain damage. Really "kill her if he loses." They're seriously having this sold as legitimate news commentary?

421 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:08:52am

re: #412 Petero1818

And can you imagine the headlines if they didn't move it and someone was hurt? "Obama's ego kills attendee"...

They're so desperate at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Morris and his ilk weren't hoping for some sort of calamity, natural or otherwise, that they could blame on Obama.

It's right up there with when Republicans were hoping for a terror attack (more than once!) to keep Obama from being elected in the first place.

Like I said, they've got nothing to work with, so they're hoping for the worst.

422 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:08:54am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

I didn't realize licking prostitutes' feet gave you brain damage. Really "kill her if he loses." They're seriously having this sold as legitimate news commentary?

Si.

423 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:09:05am

re: #420 HappyWarrior

I didn't realize licking prostitutes' feet gave you brain damage. Really "kill her if he loses." They're seriously having this sold as legitimate news commentary?

He'll say "it was just satire"

424 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:10:01am

re: #423 Learned Mother of Zion

He'll say "it was just satire"

Ah yes the old Limbaugh excuse. Seriously even if so, it still makes no sense given the fact that Clinton agreed to be Obama's SoS. Not like he didn't have other choices in mind for the job in case she turned him down.

425 Decatur Deb  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:11:41am

re: #423 Learned Mother of Zion

He'll say "it was just satire"

He meant 'fun' 'kill', not 'kill' 'kill'.

426 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:12:22am

5 minutes ago...

427 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:13:04am

re: #426 Gus

5 minutes ago...

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45 minutes prior...

428 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:13:13am

In which the LGF stalkers exceed one's worst expectations, as usual:

(I'm not posting a link to the disgusting photoshop contained in his tweet)

429 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:14:29am

Apparently Tom Brokaw went to the hospital this AM. The headline said "Rushed". But then said he was just lightheaded. I won't post the story. Seems like no big deal.

430 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:15:05am

re: #428 Interesting Times

In which the LGF stalkers exceed one's worst expectations, as usual:

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(I'm not posting a link to the disgusting photoshop contained in his tweet)

Serr8d is almost criminally insane. He used to be a Lizard once upon a time. That's some sick shit right there.

431 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:15:49am

re: #430 Gus

Serr8d is almost criminally insane. He used to be a Lizard once upon a time. That's some sick shit right there.

Who was he? Initials if you don't want to tell, plz.

432 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:16:28am

re: #431 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who was he? Initials if you don't want to tell, plz.

Same: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

433 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:18:38am

Heh:

434 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:18:54am

re: #432 Interesting Times

Same: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Tanks. I'm a little slow this morning. Yep. Dude makes only 38 comments at LGF; gets banned; proceeds to go psycho for several years. The usual.

435 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:18:56am

re: #432 Interesting Times

Same: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Never heard of him. But that was right around the time I had limited intertube access.

436 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:30:55am

Mighty big of the fellow:

Akin Willing to 'Forgive' GOP Leadership

We can all hope that the GOP proves itself worthy of his forgiveness...

437 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:31:54am

There is a big downtown party tomorrow. The county transit will be running as normal. This means picking it up in front of my friend's house (about 1 block away) and will drop off right in the middle of the madness. Sweet. I might have a cocktail.:)

438 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:35:17am

Catching up with the Daily Show online. Watching the Tom Brokaw interview. Jon Stewart loves him some magical balance fairy at times...

439 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:39:35am

Hilarious.

440 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:43:14am

re: #439 Gus

Hilarious.

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I propose opening Utopia Planitia to oil exploration.
-Delingpole
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441 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:44:36am
442 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:44:58am
443 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:45:28am

Boom!

DJI
13,265.56
+218.08 (1.67%)

Highest since 2007.

445 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:47:19am

Boom!

446 efuseakay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:48:39am

P.S. Significant job gains for the month of August. The Repubs will have to hope for doom and gloom on the job front some other time. Next month I'm sure.

447 Varek Raith  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:49:01am

I don't get RW 'humor'.

448 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:49:44am

re: #446 efuseakay

P.S. Significant job gains for the month of August. The Repubs will have to hope for doom and gloom on the job front some other time. Next month I'm sure.

I'm sure the Koch's could just close up a couple of subsidiaries to take care of that...

449 allegro  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:49:58am

re: #444 Varek Raith

Fox's Dick Morris: Clinton "Wants Obama Defeated" But Won't Say "Because His Wife Is A Hostage ... They'll Kill Her If He Loses"
Hurrdurrderp!

These guys get more juvenile every day. That they make a living, and a good one, being public voices says something... dunno quite what... but I know it's not a good thing.

450 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:49:59am

re: #447 Varek Raith

I don't get RW 'humor'.

Me neither.

451 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:50:15am

re: #449 allegro

These guys get more juvenile every day. That they make a living, and a good one, being public voices says something... dunno quite what... but I know it's not a good thing.

Wingnut Welfare.

452 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:50:18am

re: #447 Varek Raith

I don't get RW 'humor'.

Oh, I do. It's not meant to be funny.

453 efuseakay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:51:23am

re: #448 Mocking Jay

I'm sure the Koch's could just close up a couple of subsidiaries to take care of that...

Sure wouldn't put it past them.

454 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:51:34am

re: #450 Mocking Jay

And for this you should both be grateful. I worry about people who get it and find it hee-larious.

455 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:52:13am

re: #449 allegro

These guys get more juvenile every day. That they make a living, and a good one, being public voices says something... dunno quite what... but I know it's not a good thing.

Dick Morris has long been a parody of himself, but they just don't notice. Of course, some of them haven't yet tumbled to the fact that Colbert is a parody.

456 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:55:19am
457 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:57:23am

Way OT: I'm really getting to like this band a lot. They remind me of an updated Tears For Fears, minus the Primal Scream Therapy.

Youtube Video
458 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:57:59am

re: #446 efuseakay

P.S. Significant job gains for the month of August. The Repubs will have to hope for doom and gloom on the job front some other time. Next month I'm sure.

Well that's from the ADP jobs number, and yes it was very good and better than the forecast.
But the BLS number will come out tomorrow morning and that is the official government numbers. I hope like hell it is close to the ADP number of just over 200K.
But they often are very different.

459 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:58:38am

re: #323 A Mom Anon

*crickets...tumbleweeds.....dust devils...a breeze....birds chirping....*

Seriously Mr Falcon,these aren't hard questions. I am not beating up on you,just want to have a civil discussion with a dyed in the wool conservative. I want to understand. Honestly,without name calling or hostility.

460 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:58:51am

re: #438 Mattand

Catching up with the Daily Show online. Watching the Tom Brokaw interview. Jon Stewart loves him some magical balance fairy at times...

Some breaking news about him this morning.

NBC's Tom Brokaw hospitalized after TV appearance

Luckily it doesn't look too serious.

461 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:59:04am

NEWBERRY SPRINGS, CA (CBSLA.com) - An investigation is underway after a dog brought home a human foot, deputies reported.

The dog's owner called San Bernardino sheriff's detectives to search the desert along the I-40 Freeway and they found more body parts.

Erica said she's used to her dog, "Lucky," bringing home animals but never expected to see a human foot.
[Link: www.wtsp.com...]
No comment needed.

462 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:59:09am
463 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 7:59:16am

Good morning lizards!

465 Sionainn  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:01:00am

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

Some breaking news about him this morning.

NBC's Tom Brokaw hospitalized after TV appearance

Luckily it doesn't look too serious.

He tweeted that he mistakenly took half of an Ambien and was making less sense than usual.

466 efuseakay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:01:46am

re: #455 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Dick Morris has long been a parody of himself, but they just don't notice. Of course, some of them haven't yet tumbled to the fact that Colbert is a parody.

I call it the American Idol Echo Chamber Effect. When all you do is perform for your family, you think you're actually good.

467 efuseakay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:02:26am

re: #460 NJDhockeyfan

Some breaking news about him this morning.

NBC's Tom Brokaw hospitalized after TV appearance

Luckily it doesn't look too serious.

He must have done something to piss off Bill.

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469 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:03:33am

re: #449 allegro

These guys get more juvenile every day. That they make a living, and a good one, being public voices says something... dunno quite what... but I know it's not a good thing.

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people"
- H. L. Mencken

470 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:03:38am

re: #459 A Mom Anon

*crickets...tumbleweeds.....dust devils...a breeze....birds chirping....*

Seriously Mr Falcon,these aren't hard questions. I am not beating up on you,just want to have a civil discussion with a dyed in the wool conservative. I want to understand. Honestly,without name calling or hostility.

At the very bottom is a button that says "Show Users." Click and you'll see that Falcon isn't here right now. Feel free to leave a message.

471 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:06:57am

re: #457 makeitstop

Way OT: I'm really getting to like this band a lot. They remind me of an updated Tears For Fears, minus the Primal Scream Therapy.

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Love love love M83. If you like them I'd also suggest Foster the People and The Naked and the Famous.

These days, I've been digging on Wax Poetic. Norah Jones used to be a member before her career took off, so if you like her at all you might like them.

472 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:08:37am

BTW...in case you missed it last night the Cowboys beat the Giants.
:)

473 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:09:41am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...in case you missed it last night the Cowboys beat the Giants.
:)

Diaf

474 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:09:46am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...in case you missed it last night the Cowboys beat the Giants.
:)

It was impossible to miss. Even after I quit watching the game to watch Bill Clinton give a political speech master class my FB feed was filled with jubilant Cowboys fans.

475 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:09:55am

re: #443 Gus

Newt was busy tweeting about how the markets (DJIA or S&P) did under Clinton, and then with the GOP majority in the House. Seems that Obama's done pretty well on both accounts - considering that he had to deal with the worst recession in decades.

That the recovery hasn't been as strong or as fast as anyone would like is a testament to just how bad things got and the struggle to still deal with a weak housing market in many parts of the country. Europe's debt crises aren't helping either - external problems aren't helping businesses that rely on exports for job creation either. Places like Spain and Greece are dragging down those around them.

476 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:12:17am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...in case you missed it last night the Cowboys beat the Giants.
:)

I was hoping they would both lose.:)

477 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:14:00am

re: #474 Lidane

It was impossible to miss. Even after I quit watching the game to watch Bill Clinton give a political speech master class my FB feed was filled with jubilant Cowboys fans.

Other than too many penalties, they looked great. They made a statement to the rest of the NFC East.

478 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:14:04am

re: #473 Mocking Jay

Diaf

As an Eagles fan, I was rooting for the Earth to open a fissure and swallow the whole stadium.

479 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:14:55am

re: #472 NJDhockeyfan

BTW...in case you missed it last night the Cowboys beat the Giants.
:)

wondered how long it would take you to chime in.......Go Texans!

480 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:14:58am

re: #476 Cannadian Club Akbar

I was hoping they would both lose.:)

Both the Meadowlands and Arlington stadiums should be salted. Not even sprinkled. Like, a Giza-Pyramid-pile-of-salt.

Put your hand down, Philadelphia. You get one too.

I'm erik_t and I approve this message.

481 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:15:29am
482 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:16:18am

re: #480 erik_t

Washington, you already have Dan Snyder. You don't need any salt.

483 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:17:07am

re: #480 erik_t

Both the Meadowlands and Arlington stadiums should be salted. Not even sprinkled. Like, a Giza-Pyramid-pile-of-salt.

Put your hand down, Philadelphia. You get one too.

I'm erik_t and I approve this message.

It's entirely possible that by week 6, most Eagles fans will be calling for that.

484 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:17:44am

Oh jeez.

Constitution defines, but does not owe, freedom
Article by: ROBERT DELAHUNTY
Updated: September 5, 2012 - 1:59 PM
Whenever the law expands the freedoms of one person or group, it necessarily contracts those of another.

Counterpoint

My colleague Mark Osler argued in these pages ("Those who'd go constitutional would cross a carefully crafted boundary," Aug. 24) that proponents of the marriage amendment err by seeking to "put an express limit to individual freedom" in the state's Constitution. He believes that constitutions have historically expanded individual freedom, and that to contract individual freedom would be a regrettable departure from that practice. He is wrong, both logically and historically.

The argument is flawed logically because whenever the law expands the freedoms of one person or group, it necessarily contracts those of another. When the U.S. Supreme Court raised the bar to success in libel suits brought by public officials, it expanded the freedom of the press but diminished the freedom to serve in public office without fear of being defamed. Freedom to publish narrows the right to safeguard a reputation.

This is also true in other areas. Critics of the U.S. Supreme Court's campaign-finance decisions would be willing to restrict the freedom of corporations to support political candidates, even though corporate political spending does not prevent individuals from contributing as well. The critics argue that corporate political spending corrupts democracy by enabling corporations to exert undue influence over the government's decisions. The freedom they claim has been lost is that of living in a less corrupt political environment...

485 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:18:04am

re: #477 NJDhockeyfan

Other than too many penalties, they looked great. They made a statement to the rest of the NFC East.

I have to admit, I have a secret pleasure in watching Tom Coughlin having 50 types of strokes on the sideline.

486 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:18:10am

re: #484 Gus

Oh jeez.

Constitution defines, but does not owe, freedom
Article by: ROBERT DELAHUNTY
Updated: September 5, 2012 - 1:59 PM
Whenever the law expands the freedoms of one person or group, it necessarily contracts those of another.

H/T

487 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:18:18am

FYI,if your dog is on Sentinel for heartworm protection,there's a shortage. In my area,it's the large dog dosages that are in short supply. Apperantly Novartis makes Sentinel in factories that make stuff for humans(like Excedrin)and there's been a risk of cross contamination with the Sentinel getting potentially toxic ingredients mixed in. The FDA also has warned the company about various factory violations and several of their plants are closed pending upgrades. Our vet just put Abby on Trifexis for now,until they can get Sentinel again.

488 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:18:32am

re: #482 erik_t

Washington, you already have Dan Snyder. You don't need any salt.

I'm in a Death Pool. Every week you have to pick 1 winner (with the spread). You lose, you out. At week 13, you make 2 picks. I picked SF over GB +5.5 this week.

489 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:19:41am

re: #484 Gus

Oh jeez.

Constitution defines, but does not owe, freedom
Article by: ROBERT DELAHUNTY
Updated: September 5, 2012 - 1:59 PM
Whenever the law expands the freedoms of one person or group, it necessarily contracts those of another.

So it's a God-given right you're not necessarily entitled to, despite the fact an all-powerful superbeing gave it to you.

Gah?

490 Romantic Heretic  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:20:00am

re: #350 Decatur Deb

There must be an optimum number of ads. It'll be interesting to see if the TPGOP exceeds it.

They probably will. The Tea Party can't understand the concept of "enough!"

491 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:20:42am

re: #483 Mattand

It's entirely possible that by week 6, most Eagles fans will be calling for that.

All the experts last week were calling for the Cowboys to come in last and the Eagles to win the NFC East. I can't wait for the Dallas/Philly game. They shall be proved wrong.

492 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:20:49am

re: #489 Mattand

It's such a false statement. Did giving women the right to vote restrict the right of men to vote? No. So what the fuck is he talking about?

493 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:21:11am

re: #484 Gus

Whenever the law expands the freedoms of one person or group, it necessarily contracts those of another.

Freedoms: what the fuck are they?

494 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:21:17am

re: #489 Mattand

So it's a God-given right you're not necessarily entitled to, despite the fact an all-powerful superbeing gave it to you.

Gah?

I give up. I have no idea what planet these people are from. Or at least what century.

495 Artist  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:22:18am

Fucking freedom, how does it work?

496 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:22:33am

re: #488 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm in a Death Pool. Every week you have to pick 1 winner (with the spread). You lose, you out. At week 13, you make 2 picks. I picked SF over GB +5.5 this week.

I prefer Stupid Upset Picks. Your dog wins (not covers), you score the spread. They lose and you get nothing.

I like this because the idea of being happy to cover offends me.

497 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:22:43am

re: #491 NJDhockeyfan

All the experts last week were calling for the Cowboys to come in last and the Eagles to win the NFC East. I can't wait for the Dallas/Philly game. They shall be proved wrong.

I've been watching this team in its various versions for over 30 years. Who in their right mind picked the Eagles to win the division? No one around here is saying that.

498 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:23:39am

re: #493 erik_t

Freedoms: what the fuck are they?

Fucking freedoms, how do they work?

499 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:23:43am

This isn't just some law professor at St. Thomas. This fucker worked for the Bush White House:

Robert J. Delahunty is a law professor at the University of St. Thomas School of Law in Minneapolis, Minnesota.[1] From 1989 through 2003, he worked in the United States Department of Justice Office of Legal Counsel. During his tenure there, he co-wrote several legal opinions with John Yoo relating to interrogation, detention, and rendition of terror suspects.

Read the rest there. These people are sinister.

And yes. He's a Republican.

500 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:24:38am

re: #497 Mattand

I've been watching this team in its various versions for over 30 years. Who in their right mind picked the Eagles to win the division? No one around here is saying that.

I saw it on the NFL channel on Sunday. Experts? Give me a break.

501 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:24:39am

re: #489 Mattand

So it's a God-given right you're not necessarily entitled to, despite the fact an all-powerful superbeing gave it to you.

Gah?

FREEDOM! Eleventy!

Or something. I'm not sure. I haven't had enough coffee to try and parse that shit.

502 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:25:20am

re: #499 Gus

This isn't just some law professor at St. Thomas. This fucker worked for the Bush White House:

Read the rest there. These people are sinister.

And yes. He's a Republican.

Unreal. I guess it shouldn't be a shock that a guy who helped condone torture has a, what's the phrase? Oh, yeah; fucking stupid view of freedom.

503 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:26:00am

re: #491 NJDhockeyfan

All the experts last week were calling for the Cowboys to come in last and the Eagles to win the NFC East. I can't wait for the Dallas/Philly game. They shall be proved wrong.

What experts? I thought that it was the other way around - Cowboys to win, Philly to lag, and the Giants to struggle.

Well, the first game showed that the Giants secondary has huge holes (same problem, different year) and that not getting enough pressure up the front exposes the secondary. The offense sputtered, but it didn't help that Cruz had a couple go through his hands on at least three passes - ones that would have helped spread the Cowboys secondary and possibly opened up running lanes.

Still, it's only one game - but the Giants have the toughest schedule in the NFL (again). It will be interesting to see how they bounce back after this.

504 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:26:25am

re: #499 Gus

This isn't just some law professor at St. Thomas. This fucker worked for the Bush White House:

Read the rest there. These people are sinister.

And yes. He's a Republican.

Freedom for me, but not for thee.
This is the way of the GOP.

505 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:26:40am

re: #484 Gus

It's an abstract concept, this freedom. the Constitution is about practical ways to ensure that this abstract concept can become a real thing in our lives.

You can argue all you want about who gave you these rights, law and lawmaking is about getting humans to observe each other's freedoms

506 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:27:07am
507 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:27:15am

re: #500 NJDhockeyfan

I saw it on the NFL channel on Sunday. Experts? Give me a break.

Yeah, they're just as bad as political pundits.

That statement is delusional. I can safely state that most people in the Delaware Valley will be shocked/happy if the Eagles lock up the last wild card.

508 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:27:24am

re: #500 NJDhockeyfan

I saw it on the NFL channel on Sunday. Experts? Give me a break.

Hey, people in MLB picked the Phillies to win their division. Stoopid crosses sports lines.

509 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:28:35am

Interesting. A Catholic university is harboring a water-boarding fan.

510 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:28:45am

No surprise.

511 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:29:04am

re: #471 Lidane

Love love love M83. If you like them I'd also suggest Foster the People and The Naked and the Famous.

Got both of those albums. We listen to XFM (London) and Phantom (Dublin) on our internet radio here, so we got exposed to both early. It's funny - NYC just got a new alternative terra-based radio station, and they're playing all this stuff and presenting it as new, while we've been hearing most of it for the better part of a year already.

These days, I've been digging on Wax Poetic. Norah Jones used to be a member before her career took off, so if you like her at all you might like them.

I'll check them out. As a return recommendation, might I suggest The Wombats? A scruffy yet melodically gifted band from Liverpool.

Youtube Video

And from Dublin - The Minutes. They give me my guitar rock jollies. :)

Youtube Video
512 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:29:31am

re: #492 Obdicut

It's such a false statement. Did giving women the right to vote restrict the right of men to vote? No. So what the fuck is he talking about?

Giving women the right to vote diluted and hence restricted the power of men's votes.

(I wish it were sarcasm, but I've heard similar from some men.)

513 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:29:39am

I like that word. Harboring.

514 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:29:51am

re: #492 Obdicut

It's such a false statement. Did giving women the right to vote restrict the right of men to vote? No. So what the fuck is he talking about?

QFT.

Those comments are demonstrably false. Giving blacks the right to vote didn't take away the right to vote.

Reducing the voting age to 18 didn't restrict the rights of those over 18 to vote. It expanded a right and freedom. No ones rights were reduced.

Same thing with the issue of gay marriage - allowing gays to marry doesn't restrict the rights of heterosexual couples to marry. It isn't restricting marriage in some fashion, so his comments are fundamentally flawed.

He somehow believes that rights and freedoms are a limited pie by which giving rights to a larger number of people somehow reduces the rights of those who previously had the right in question. It's mind-numbing in its wrongness.

515 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:30:54am

re: #508 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey, people in MLB picked the Phillies to win their division. Stoopid crosses sports lines.

I had the Phils coming in at third and missing the playoffs, which seems to be right on schedule. I hadn't expected them to be in the basement most of the season.

They're 8 games out in the wild card, though. If they keep playing like they are now, who knows? Not holding my breath here. They got to the Series in 08 only after the Mets had a 1964 Phils style collapse in September.

516 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:33:04am

re: #515 Mattand

I had the Phils coming in at third and missing the playoffs, which seems to be right on schedule. I hadn't expected them to be in the basement most of the season.

They're 8 games out in the wild card, though. If they keep playing like they are now, who know? Not holding my breath here. They got to the Series in 08 only after the Mets has 1964 Phils style collapse in September.

See: Boston-2011. And FWIW, the Yanks are up 1 game and 2.5 to B'more and TB after being up 10 48 days ago.

517 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:33:53am

re: #514 lawhawk

There are even rights that, when granted, support the rights of others. My right to free speech supports your right to a speedy trial, because I can speak up when you're not given one, I can publish articles about it. Our freedoms support each other's freedoms.

518 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:33:55am

Gay Marriage Infringes Freedom of Its Opponents, Law Prof Argues in Op-Ed
Posted Sep 6, 2012 6:00 AM CDT
By Debra Cassens Weiss

When the law expands one person’s freedom, it restricts that of another.

That principle applies in the context of gay marriage, according to University of St. Thomas law professor Robert Delahunty. In a commentary in the Minneapolis Star Tribune, Delahunty disagrees with the reasoning of a colleague who opposes a proposed Minnesota constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage...

519 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:34:55am

re: #512 kirkspencer

I think that's an ass beret's(fedora? bonnet? chapeau?) way of saying that since women can vote,men aren't in total control of what happens in elections anymore. Which,by extension in his fevered little pea brain means that a man's vote doesn't count as much now. Or something. Yipes.

520 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:35:19am

re: #518 Gus

Gay Marriage Infringes Freedom of Its Opponents, Law Prof Argues in Op-Ed

What a dumbfuck. Doesn't Minnesota already statutorily ban gay marriage? Now some of them want to enshrine it in the Constitution too?

Isn't this that, oh what's it called.... something something government waste regulation something?

521 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:36:29am

re: #512 kirkspencer

(I wish it were sarcasm, but I've heard similar from some men.)

I understand that if women weren't allowed to vote, no Democrat would ever be elected again. Therefore allowing women to vote infringes on men's vital right to be free from Democrats.

//

522 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:37:50am

re: #516 Cannadian Club Akbar

See: Boston-2011. And FWIW, the Yanks are up 1 game and 2.5 to B'more and TB after being up 10 48 days ago.

TB could have made it a whole lot more interesting if they took 3 out of 3 from the Yanks the last 3 days

523 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:37:59am

re: #518 Gus

Gay Marriage Infringes Freedom of Its Opponents, Law Prof Argues in Op-Ed
Posted Sep 6, 2012 6:00 AM CDT
By Debra Cassens Weiss

How the fuck does marriage equality infringe on the rights of married straight people? Do straight couples suddenly lose the right to see their spouses in the hospital, or to bequeath property on death, or anything else if gays can get married? No? Then STFU.

524 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:38:28am
526 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:38:40am
527 bratwurst  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:39:15am
528 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:39:25am

re: #520 erik_t

What a dumbfuck. Doesn't Minnesota already statutorily ban gay marriage? Now some of them want to enshrine it in the Constitution too?

Isn't this that, oh what's it called.... something something government waste regulation something?

Just think. If Romney wins his type will be back at work with the DOJ. Seriously.

529 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:39:31am

re: #522 sattv4u2

TB could have made it a whole lot more interesting if they took 3 (or 4) out of 4 from the Yanks the last 4 days

2 of 3

530 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:39:40am

re: #518 Gus

Gay Marriage Infringes Freedom of Its Opponents, Law Prof Argues in Op-Ed
Posted Sep 6, 2012 6:00 AM CDT
By Debra Cassens Weiss

From the article:

. “But proponents of the marriage amendment argue that an important freedom is being lost: that of living in a social world in which marriage has a particular meaning and is related in specific ways to natural reproduction and family life,” Delahunty writes.

So if two dudes get married, it hurts the feelings of people against gay marriage and makes them have a sad?

I am not a lawyer, but I'm guessing that might be described in legal terms as "WTF, are you an asshole or something?"

531 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:40:41am
532 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:41:22am

re: #511 makeitstop

I'll check them out. As a return recommendation, might I suggest The Wombats? A scruffy yet melodically gifted band from Liverpool.

Just started playing their most recent album on Spotify. I like it.

533 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:42:09am

re: #529 Cannadian Club Akbar

2 of 3

Well, lets hope the Orioles do it

534 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:42:14am

re: #526 Lidane

Modell was an Ahole. BUT Al Lehrner was a bigger one. He talked Modell into moving the Browns to B'more then acted like a savior when he got Cleveland an expansion team (the Browns) back.

535 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:42:35am

re: #533 sattv4u2

Well, lets hope the Orioles do it

STFU!!!

536 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:42:50am

re: #524 Lidane

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Romney is poised to lose every one of his home states. It's true: the more you know about him, the less you like him.

537 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:43:26am

re: #535 Cannadian Club Akbar

STFU!!!

ABTY

(Anyone But The Yankess)

538 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:43:35am

Image: romneymomjeans.jpeg

539 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:43:49am
540 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:44:21am

re: #534 Cannadian Club Akbar

Modell was an Ahole. BUT Al Lehrner was a bigger one. He talked Modell into moving the Browns to B'more then acted like a savior when he got Cleveland an expansion team (the Browns) back.

I think the Emperor Palaptine in this whole episode is Rob Irsay, who moved the Colts to Indy and started this whole mess.

I know it's only sports, but the amount of grief and depression that caused Baltimore was staggering.

541 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:45:34am

re: #534 Cannadian Club Akbar

Modell was an Ahole. BUT Al Lehrner was a bigger one. He talked Modell into moving the Browns to B'more then acted like a savior when he got Cleveland an expansion team (the Browns) back.

I still have angst about Bud Adams for the chickenshit way he moved the Oilers out of Houston. And don't get me started on the way that Jerry Jones fired Tom Landry. It's not that he fired Landry, it's that he treated a legend like a temp who'd stolen office supplies. Gah.

I don't even follow football much anymore but those two things still annoy me.

542 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:46:15am

The GOP must have a mountain of money if they're green-lighting amateurish crap like this...

Youtube Video

Republicans 'break up' with Obama in new ad

Someone must have thought it was clever - but I'm thinking Republicans were never going out with Obama in the first place.

543 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:46:21am

re: #540 Mattand

I think the Emperor Palaptine in this whole episode is Rob Irsay, who moved the Colts to Indy and started this whole mess.

I know it's only sports, but the amount of grief and depression that caused Baltimore was staggering.

Is there anything more vicious than moving a hockey team from Minnesota to Texas, or Winnipeg to Arizona?

544 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:47:06am

re: #543 erik_t

Is there anything more vicious than moving a hockey team from Minnesota to Texas?

Moving one from Canada to Atlanta, maybe?

545 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:47:47am

re: #540 Mattand

I think the Emperor Palaptine in this whole episode is Rob Irsay Walter Omalley, who moved the Colts DODGERS to Indy LA and started this whole mess.

I know it's only sports, but the amount of grief and depression that caused Baltimore was staggering.

ftfy

(Go West, young man)

546 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:47:49am

re: #544 Cannadian Club Akbar

Moving one from Canada to Atlanta, maybe?

I thought that was the Zombie Whalers.

547 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:48:07am

re: #545 sattv4u2

ftfy

(Go West, young man)

Yes, but nobody cares because baseball is a silly sport.

548 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:48:19am

re: #524 Lidane

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The polls in Michigan aren't the right height.

549 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:48:20am

re: #543 erik_t

Is there anything more vicious than moving a hockey team from Minnesota to Texas?

Yeah, I never got that. I need to look it up, but on the surface, it seems strange that Minneapolis was having a hard time supporting hockey. Seems like every other American NHL player was from Minnesota.

550 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:49:00am

BREAKING NEWS: Los Angeles, the second biggest TV market in the USA, has no football team. 'Til the Jags move.
///or the Vikes

551 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:49:10am

I can see no possible negative repercussions to this

//

552 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:49:46am

re: #547 erik_t

Yes, but nobody cares because baseball is a silly sport.

This is why I won't cuddle with you anymore.
///

553 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:50:12am

re: #551 Interesting Times

CREEPY! RT @engadget: Researchers take full control of cockroach's movement, turn it into a wireless sensor

I can see no possible negative repercussions to this

//

Good news, everyone!!!!

554 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:50:25am

re: #551 Interesting Times

I can see no possible negative repercussions to this

//

Republicans take full control of cockroach's movement, turn it into a VP candidate.

555 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:50:41am

re: #542 makeitstop

The GOP must have a mountain of money if they're green-lighting amateurish crap like this...

[Embedded content]

Republicans 'break up' with Obama in new ad

Someone must have thought it was clever - but I'm thinking Republicans were never going out with Obama in the first place.

Well, at least this time they had a cardboard cut-out in place of an empty chair...

556 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:50:50am

re: #546 erik_t

I thought that was the Zombie Whalers.

The Boston Hartford Whalers became the Carolina Hurricane, not the Altlanta Thrashers

557 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:51:21am

re: #556 sattv4u2

The Boston Hartford Whalers became the Carolina Hurricane, not the Altlanta Thrashers

Jets became Thrasher, yes?

558 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:51:43am

re: #557 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jets became Thrasher, yes?

Oops.

559 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:53:18am

Boom!

560 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:53:29am

re: #557 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jets became Thrasher, yes?

You're even allegedly Canadian.

SHAME ON YOU.

561 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:54:06am

re: #560 erik_t

You're even allegedly Canadian.

SHAME ON YOU.

I'm not Cannadian, I just drink that way.:)

562 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:54:08am

re: #557 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jets became Thrasher, yes?

other way around

563 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:54:13am

Run DNC

564 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:55:39am

re: #562 sattv4u2

other way around

They went, they saw, then went back.

565 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:56:03am

re: #544 Cannadian Club Akbar

Moving one from Canada to Atlanta, maybe?

Moving one from Colorado to NJ was a great move.

566 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:56:26am

re: #564 Cannadian Club Akbar

They went, they saw, then went back.

Not really

Phoenix Coyotes went to Winnepeg

567 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:56:30am

re: #563 Gus

Run DNC

Awesome.

568 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:56:45am

BBL

569 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:57:49am

re: #566 sattv4u2

Not really

Phoenix Coyotes went to Winnepeg

ATL got a franchise. My bad. All I know is I never saw snow until I was 30 and I have been to a Game 7 of the Stanley Cup. Ticket autographed by the coach and the captain.:

570 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:57:56am

re: #551 Interesting Times

Youtube Video
571 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:58:04am

re: #565 NJDhockeyfan

Moving one from Colorado to NJ was a great move.

This is true. When the Flyers get knocked out of the running, I half-assed root for the Devils. How can you not? It's Jersey. And quite frankly, they've done much better than the Flyers since they got here.

573 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 8:59:06am

Winnipeg to Phoenix and ATL to Winnipeg.

574 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:00:30am

re: #464 Gus

The Bush (Republican) meltdown versus the Obama (Democrat) recovery.

ICYMI

575 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:01:05am

re: #571 Mattand

This is true. When the Flyers get knocked out of the running, I half-assed root for the Devils. How can you not? It's Jersey. And quite frankly, they've done much better than the Flyers since they got here.

Lou Lamoriello has done a fantastic job with the team since they arrived in NJ. He's a class act.

576 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:01:34am

The Brick Testament - On Lust

More here.

577 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:02:49am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

And here I thought the DNC was too boring and pedestrian for your tastes since there wasn't enough pepper spray.

578 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:03:57am

re: #572 Killgore Trout

Fact checking Bill Clinton’s speech and other Democrats at the convention in Charlotte

Well, at least it's not the idiotic AP fact check with the Monica Lewinksy non sequitur

579 dragonath  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:04:49am

I hope the guy who came up with that Pinocchio drawing gets punched in the neck.

580 kirkspencer  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:05:04am

re: #530 Mattand

From the article:

So if two dudes get married, it hurts the feelings of people against gay marriage and makes them have a sad?

I am not a lawyer, but I'm guessing that might be described in legal terms as "WTF, are you an asshole or something?"

Notice the root of the argument is a frequently argued position that marriage is for procreation. It's a position that keeps being laughed out of court, but that doesn't stop it from being regurgitated.

581 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:05:12am

re: #577 Lidane

And here I thought the DNC was too boring and pedestrian for your tastes since there wasn't enough pepper spray.

582 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:07:03am

Megan McCain is talking.

Derp.

583 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:07:37am

re: #577 Lidane

And here I thought the DNC was too boring and pedestrian for your tastes since there wasn't enough pepper spray.

I stopped watching when it lapsed into the Bain/anti-Mitt stuff. The live car commercial/speech was interesting.

584 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:09:01am

re: #578 Mattand

Well, at least it's not the idiotic AP fact check with the Monica Lewinksy non sequitur

Clinton actually did pretty well according the Factcheck.org
Our Clinton Nightmare

Former President Bill Clinton’s stem-winding nomination speech was a fact-checker’s nightmare: lots of effort required to run down his many statistics and factual claims, producing little for us to write about.

Republicans will find plenty of Clinton’s scorching opinions objectionable. But with few exceptions, we found his stats checked out.

585 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:11:08am

What a drama queen.

586 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:11:53am

...and ramming through the change in Israel/Jerusalem into the platform was interesting too. Party platforms are meaningless window dressing but they shouldn't have made the change publicly and on camera. That was a little embarrassing.

587 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:12:10am

Morning all!

Isn't this nice? What corporations are in Iowa?

And how are you?

588 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:12:36am

HAHAHAHA:

589 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:12:51am

re: #585 Learned Mother of Zion

What a drama queen.

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The Ann Coulter school of... something. They're all so trashy.

590 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:13:55am

re: #580 kirkspencer

Notice the root of the argument is a frequently argued position that marriage is for procreation. It's a position that keeps being laughed out of court, but that doesn't stop it from being regurgitated.

And why can't they adopt --procreation is not the only way to make a family.

Taking care of the children who are already here never seems to be a priority with the Talabani of any flavor.

591 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:14:03am

re: #584 Killgore Trout

Clinton actually did pretty well according the Factcheck.org
Our Clinton Nightmare

Here is a radical idea. Why dont you watch the speech and draw your own conclusions instead of outsourcing your brain cells to the fact-checkers?

592 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:15:11am

re: #586 Killgore Trout

...and ramming through the change in Israel/Jerusalem into the platform was interesting too. Party platforms are meaningless window dressing but they shouldn't have made the change publicly and on camera. That was a little embarrassing.

I saw that this morning. What was with all the boos?

593 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:15:17am

re: #591 blueraven

Here is a radical idea. Why dont you watch the speech and draw your own conclusions instead of outsourcing your brain cells to the fact-checkers?

That would take actual effort.

594 erik_t  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:10am

re: #592 NJDhockeyfan

I saw that this morning. What was with all the boos?

Well, either they didn't like the possible violation of proper procedural channels for these sorts of changes, or they hate God.

We report, Factcheck decides!

595 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:16am

Guy I know on FB was bitching about both conventions being the same, and then asks why no one recognizes that business owners are being vilified in the US.

I pointed out to him (again) he's too smart to be that paranoid over something that isn't real.

Buddy of his backs him up by saying he'd rather be delusional than live in a "socialist, European-style society."

I tell the guy he's kind of proving my point about the paranoia. I als ask what a "European style society" is. One where you're forced to watch soccer at gunpoint?

Goddamn, we have our problems, and Obama is far from perfect, but seriously? Business owners are hated in the US? We're going down the same path as Greece? What the hell is wrong with people?

596 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:23am

re: #585 Learned Mother of Zion

What a drama queen.

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Everything is all about Dana, all the time.

I often wonder what it's like to be self-absorbed to that level.

597 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:16:32am

re: #591 blueraven

Here is a radical idea. Why dont you watch the speech and draw your own conclusions instead of outsourcing your brain cells to the fact-checkers?

We like miracle diets. We like a pill that can cure everyting immediately. We want our facts neatly and tidily checked and delivered at our door. And we like to believe there is some objective standard of "100% truth" against which everything can be judged.

598 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:17:12am

Why do male dogs pee on each other?

599 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:09am

re: #595 Mattand

What the hell is wrong with people?

They are human beings.

600 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:30am

re: #599 ggt

They are human beings.

Apes.

601 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:18:34am

re: #598 ggt

Why do male dogs pee on each other?

That made me lawl. Upding.

602 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:19:34am
603 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:19:55am

re: #591 blueraven

Here is a radical idea. Why dont you watch the speech and draw your own conclusions instead of outsourcing your brain cells to the fact-checkers?

Because he doesn't have insomnia!?!?

604 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:19:58am

re: #598 ggt

Why do male dogs pee on each other?

Because their legs are to short to hump.

605 allegro  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:20:21am

re: #598 ggt

Why do male dogs pee on each other?

My two seem to do it mostly by accident. One puts his head down to sniff a spot as the other raises his leg to pee on the spot, peeing on his bro's head. Or they both pee on a spot at the same time from different directions and end up peeing on each other's legs.

606 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:20:29am

re: #600 Gus

GRApes.

thanks,, you reminded me that I had to add those to my shopping list

607 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:20:35am

re: #597 Expand Your Ground

We like miracle diets. We like a pill that can cure everyting immediately. We want our facts neatly and tidily checked and delivered at our door. And we like to believe there is some objective standard of "100% truth" against which everything can be judged.

heh... I dont mind the fact checkers as a rule. But FFS, they should not take the place of independent thought and diversity of opinions.
Especially if that is all you depend on.

608 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:20:42am

Burn!

609 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:04am

re: #603 sattv4u2

Because he doesn't have insomnia!?!?

Brilliant!

610 Mattand  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:18am

re: #599 ggt

They are human beings.

I guess. I remember thinking that level of hysteria around Clinton was bad. He killed Vince Foster! Travelgate! Land deals! Blow jobs!

The stuff around Obama? Worse. Much, much worse. Armed paranoid racists kind of worse.

611 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:36am

re: #603 sattv4u2

Because he doesn't have insomnia!?!?

If you could watch that speech and fall asleep or be bored by it, you're crazy.

Bill Clinton gave a masterful speech last night. The GOP only wishes they had someone alive on their side who could have done that last week in Tampa.

612 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:21:53am

re: #604 Cannadian Club Akbar

Because their legs are to short to hump.

That never stopped me!!

613 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:22:14am

I think I fell "asleep" sometime after DC.

614 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:10am

re: #611 Lidane

If you could watch that speech and fall asleep or be bored by it, you're crazy.

Bill Clinton gave a masterful speech last night. The GOP only wishes they had someone alive on their side who could have done that last week in Tampa.

"Lighten up, Francis"

615 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:26am

re: #591 blueraven

Here is a radical idea. Why dont you watch the speech and draw your own conclusions instead of outsourcing your brain cells to the fact-checkers?

Because I love to watch the partisans complain about reality. It was funny when NRO did and it's funny when you do it.

616 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:43am

re: #596 makeitstop

Everything is all about Dana, all the time.

I often wonder what it's like to be self-absorbed to that level.

I got a hate Tweet in the midst of a tsunami of hate Tweets to Sandra Fluke! WAAAH!

617 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:23:55am

re: #608 Gus

The GOP try to make hay of the omission on Jerusalem, but their statement is even more equivocal about the final status of Jerusalem. It's as though the lawyers parsed the heck out of the GOP statement on Jerusalem to within an inch of its life and while the Democrats created bad optics by initially omitting the statement on Jerusalem from their platform, the language they did add back is far stronger than anything on Jerusalem in the GOP adopted platform.

618 allegro  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:00am

re: #611 Lidane

If you could watch that speech and fall asleep or be bored by it, you're crazy.

Bill Clinton gave a masterful speech last night. The GOP only wishes they had someone alive on their side who could have done that last week in Tampa.

What I found the most fun about it was that he was obviously having a great time. He loves this stuff and talking about policy - it shows.

619 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:10am

re: #605 allegro

My two seem to do it mostly by accident. One puts his head down to sniff a spot as the other raises his leg to pee on the spot, peeing on his bro's head. Or they both pee on a spot at the same time from different directions and end up peeing on each other's legs.

ditto with my two

620 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:11am

Palm Beach County Dem Chair says Christians want to slaughter Jews

..."I'm Jewish," he told The Patriot Update. "I'm not a fan of any religion other than Judaism. The Christians just want us to be there so we can all be slaughtered and converted and bring on the second coming of Jesus Christ."

Derp.

621 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:24:37am

re: #605 allegro

My two seem to do it mostly by accident. One puts his head down to sniff a spot as the other raises his leg to pee on the spot, peeing on his bro's head. Or they both pee on a spot at the same time from different directions and end up peeing on each other's legs.

My kids used to do that.

622 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:00am

re: #613 Gus

I think I fell "asleep" sometime after DC.

I fell asleep during an AC/DC concert once.. DAMN, those drugs were strong!!

623 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:06am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Because I love to watch the partisans complain about reality. It was funny when NRO did and it's funny when you do it.

Why do you automatically trust the factcheckers? Why not exercise any judgement in regards to what they say? They're mostly just rebranded media people.

I've asked you this about a billion times, you've never been able to give a response.

624 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:30am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Because I love to watch the partisans complain about reality. It was funny when NRO did and it's funny when you do it.

Oh brother...that is rich. You have turned out to be the biggest passive aggressive partisan on this board.

625 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:25:36am

re: #607 blueraven

heh... I dont mind the fact checkers as a rule. But FFS, they should not take the place of independent thought and diversity of opinions.
Especially if that is all you depend on.

But it seems we are having too many fact-checkers. Soon, there are going to be fact-checkers checking the fact-checkers.

626 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:16am

re: #613 Gus

You watched the roll call? I switched it off when I realized they were going to go through all 50 states. Thanks but no.

627 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:48am

re: #623 Obdicut

I've asked you this about a billion times

As we have not had this many total LGF comments, we must rate this Three Exaggeratios.

628 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:50am

re: #622 sattv4u2

I fell asleep during an AC/DC concert once.. DAMN, those drugs were strong!!

I saw them at MSG. I have no idea how you fell asleep.

629 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:26:51am

re: #611 Lidane

And I'm not sure if it was accidental or on purpose (or accidentally on purpose) that Clinton's speech ran over into the local news hour, meaning that those who hadn't intended to see the former President speak in defense of Obama and the Democrats' agenda would get quite the earful in a powerful defense of the President. Either way, it was a master-stroke. Great speech, and when you've got fact checkers struggling to find ways to include Monica in the fact-check, you know you've gotten over the target.

There wasn't much to quibble with in his facts and statistics or his take on the GOP plans (which is to say that the GOP seeks/sought to block every Obama initiative because their intention was to defeat Obama at all costs - the country's economy be damned).

630 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:27:18am

re: #626 Lidane

You watched the roll call? I switched it off when I realized they were going to go through all 50 states. Thanks but no.

Yep. I think it was DC.

631 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:27:21am

re: #615 Killgore Trout

Because I love to watch the partisans complain about reality. It was funny when NRO did and it's funny when you do it.

So you'd just rather whine and concern troll about "fact checks" without putting in any actual effort? Got it.

632 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:27:21am

re: #621 Learned Mother of Zion

My kids used to do that.

warn me next time, willya!

(wipes coffee off my screen)

633 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:28:17am

re: #631 Lidane

So you'd just rather whine and concern troll about "fact checks" without putting in any actual effort? Got it.

Hey

Some people whine and concern troll

Others whine about the whiners who concern troll

Makes the world go 'round

634 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:28:18am

re: #620 NJDhockeyfan

Palm Beach County Dem Chair says Christians want to slaughter Jews

Derp.

There are Christians who support Israel for this very reason, and this reason alone. They form a quietly scary subset of the conservative Christian Right.

635 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:28:26am

This recent obsession with these fact checking sites is rather strange.

636 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:28:34am

re: #605 allegro

My two seem to do it mostly by accident. One puts his head down to sniff a spot as the other raises his leg to pee on the spot, peeing on his bro's head. Or they both pee on a spot at the same time from different directions and end up peeing on each other's legs.

Drives me insane. I keep a bottom of waterless shampoo by the back door!

637 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:28:55am

re: #604 Cannadian Club Akbar

Because their legs are to short to hump.

No, I don't think that is it.

638 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:29:01am

re: #635 Gus

This recent obsession with these fact checking sites is rather strange.

I'll have to check the facts on that statement and get back to you

639 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:29:29am

re: #601 makeitstop

That made me lawl. Upding.

Glad to give you a humor break :)

640 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:29:54am

re: #635 Gus

This recent obsession with these fact checking sites is rather strange.

It's easier than putting forth any effort and seeing something for yourself.

641 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:29:59am

re: #635 Gus

This recent obsession with these fact checking sites is rather strange.

It's an awesome marketing tool. Mostly, the same tired old media sources rebrand themselves as 'factcheckers' and everyone starts talking about how awesome it is that finally someone is factchecking.

642 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:09am

re: #636 ggt

Drives me insane. I keep a bottom of waterless shampoo by the back door!

Ah,, great idea.

I've been coming back home from the walk and scooping whichever one got peed on up into my arms and right into the tub

643 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:36am

re: #640 Lidane

It's easier than putting forth any effort and seeTHing something for yourself.

ftfy

644 lawhawk  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:30:45am

re: #623 Obdicut

Sadly, most people don't do much more than read/scan headlines and will refer to fact check type pieces rather than examine what was actually said and verify on their own. Many don't have the time or want to go through the effort of doing the work themselves.

At a minimum, one should look at a couple of different "fact check" sites - to gain a consensus on what was said.

After all, most people just aren't that involved in politics and wont engage in politics until they even bother to show up at the polls (but everyone will bitch and moan that X was or wasn't done by candidate Y when they take office, regardless of whether they vote or not).

/rant off.

645 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:31:57am

re: #628 NJDhockeyfan

I saw them at MSG. I have no idea how you fell asleep.

what part of DAMN, those drugs were strong! didn't you get???

646 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:32:11am

In politics, facts don't matter. What matter is voters emotional response to the headlines and sound-bytes.

The purpose of Rhetoric is to Persuade.

647 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:33:31am

re: #643 sattv4u2

Pfft. Pathetic. Was that supposed to be humor?

648 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:33:47am

Speaking of drugs

HYDROCODON,,,

Good stuff!

649 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:33:56am

Whatever you do. Don't fact check the bible.

650 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:34:46am

re: #634 Expand Your Ground

There are Christians who support Israel for this very reason, and this reason alone. They form a quietly scary subset of the conservative Christian Right.

So they support Israel so they can slaughter Jews? Really?

651 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:34:54am

re: #649 Gus

Whatever you do. Don't fact check the bible.

Which version?

652 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:34:54am

re: #620 NJDhockeyfan

Palm Beach County Dem Chair says Christians want to slaughter Jews

Derp.

This isn't helpful....

Siegel was wearing a "Jews For Obama" pin while talking to Patriot's Scottie Hughes.

The "American Taliban" rhetoric is bearing fruit. I have plenty of issues with fundamentalist Christians but that's just too much. Especially while wearing an Obama pin. Idiot.

653 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:35:08am

re: #644 lawhawk

What's amazing to me is how often the fact-checking sites change their criteria. In one fact-check they'll analyze whether something is literally, narrowly true, in another case they'll broaden it out metaphorically, in others they actually fact-check things that haven't been said or asserted.

Then there's the whole problem of the selection. Someone pointed out the other day that one of the many revisionist historian types we've got running around had an overall 'truthful' rating at Factcheck.org, because they'd chosen to vet only three things he said-- some of the tamest things he'd ever said. So if you looked at Factcheck.org to see how credible this guy was, you'd think he was alright.

It's very much the Wild West of factchecking.

654 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:35:13am

re: #651 sattv4u2

Which version?

Any.

655 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:37:00am

re: #647 Lidane

Pfft. Pathetic. Was that supposed to be humor?

NO
YES
MAYBE
ALL OF THE ABOVE

656 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:37:09am

re: #631 Lidane

So you'd just rather whine and concern troll about "fact checks" without putting in any actual effort? Got it.

Your predictable complaints seem equally effortless to me. Maybe I missed the post where you pointed out an error in this morning's fact checks.

657 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:37:41am

re: #641 Obdicut

It's just a natural response to a big vacuum in the marketplace of news. Used to be the journalists did the work. Now it's news readers and corporate bland entertainment news programming.

Actual work is left to daring embeds, a few remaining journalists and yes, the fact checkers.

Charles put up that Page about the grade level of the First Ladies speech. Not exactly fact checking, but certainly the response to that Page reflects that vacuum.

658 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:38:42am

Obama reflects on drone warfare (video)

President Obama defends the use of drone warfare in an exclusive interview with CNN's Jessica Yellin.

659 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:38:47am

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

So they support Israel so they can slaughter Jews? Really?

Did not say that of all of them.

And "slaughter Jews" was a bit hyperbolic on his part, but there is a sizeable body of End Times Christians who want to see Armageddon and the Second Coming, and if that involves the slaughter of Jews, then they see that as God's Will Being Done.

660 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:39:05am

re: #612 sattv4u2

That never stopped me!!

You're a dog? (This is the internet, how would we know?)

661 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:39:26am

re: #634 Expand Your Ground

There are Christians who support israel for this very reason, and this reason alone. They form a quietly scary subset of the conservative Christian Right.

Fact check: mostly true.

662 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:39:38am

re: #659 Expand Your Ground

Did not say that of all of them.

And "slaughter Jews" was a bit hyperbolic on his part, but there is a sizeable body of End Times Christians who want to see Armageddon and the Second Coming, and if that involves the slaughter of Jews, then they see that as God's Will Being Done.

and they drive me crazy!!!!

A pathetic lot.

663 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:39:57am

re: #656 Killgore Trout

Your predictable complaints seem equally effortless to me. Maybe I missed the post where you pointed out an error in this morning's fact checks.

Calling you a "whine"(r) and "concern troll" is all the facts needed!!!

664 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:40:24am

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

So they support Israel so they can slaughter Jews? Really?

Not them. God:

Christian Zionism

665 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:40:32am

re: #659 Expand Your Ground

Did not say that of all of them.

And "slaughter Jews" was a bit hyperbolic on his part, but there is a sizeable body of End Times Christians who want to see Armageddon and the Second Coming, and if that involves the slaughter of Jews, then they see that as God's Will Being Done.

We do NOT want Jews to be slaughtered! We want them to be saved! It's the Muslims who want them to be slaughtered!

666 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:40:53am

re: #657 Daniel Ballard

It's just a natural response to a big vacuum in the marketplace of news. Used to be the journalists did the work. Now it's news readers and corporate bland entertainment news programming.

Actual work is left to daring embeds, a few remaining journalists and yes, the fact checkers.

Charles put up that Page about the grade level of the First Ladies speech. Not exactly fact checking, but certainly the response to that Page reflects that vacuum.

Fact checking used to be the work of reporters, editors and journalists but it was abandoned long ago in favor of "he said-she said" reporting. I'm glad it's making a comeback, even if it's only temporary.

667 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:41:10am

re: #665 Learned Mother of Zion

Now you confused me . . . . . .

/

668 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:41:28am

re: #656 Killgore Trout

I notice you ignored the AP's "fact check" which included a rant about Monica Lewinsky as a reason why Clinton was supposedly lying. Guess that didn't fit your concern trolling agenda, eh?

669 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:41:58am

re: #666 Killgore Trout

Fact checking used to be the work of reporters, editors and journalists but it was abandoned long ago in favor of "he said-she said" reporting. I'm glad it's making a comeback, even if it's only temporary.

I think there are still journalist, editors and reporters out there that do it. They've been lost in the corporate need for profit.

670 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:42:27am

re: #620 NJDhockeyfan

Palm Beach County Dem Chair says Christians want to slaughter Jews

Derp.

In fact, that headline (though designed to get hits) is false.

"I'm Jewish," he told The Patriot Update. "I'm not a fan of any religion other than Judaism. The Christians just want us to be there so we can all be slaughtered and converted and bring on the second coming of Jesus Christ."

He doesn't say who would be doing the slaughtering.

671 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:42:40am

All Hail the Raelians!!! Our ship will be here soon!!!

672 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:42:44am

BBL

673 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:04am

re: #668 Lidane

I notice you ignored the AP's "fact check" which included a rant about Monica Lewinsky as a reason why Clinton was supposedly lying. Guess that didn't fit your concern trolling agenda, eh?

I haven't seen that one yet but I generally find AP's fact checks to be really weak and superficial. I applaud the effort but they generally aren't very thorough.

674 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:09am
675 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:17am

re: #657 Daniel Ballard

Actual work is left to daring embeds, a few remaining journalists and yes, the fact checkers.

Almost all the factcheckers are just rebranded media people, though. And I find a lot of useful stuff gets spread by citizen journalists-- including stuff demonstrating flaws with the factcheckers.

The problems with the media are systemic ones that can't be solved by suddenly calling themselves 'factcheckers'.

676 sattv4u2  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:20am

re: #671 Cannadian Club Akbar

All Hail the Raelians!!! Our ship will be here soon!!!

I have my rolls of quarters and Nikes

(

677 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:58am

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

There's a pretty large subset of Christians, the end timers who believe a specific set of events have to happen before the second coming of Christ,the Rapture,Tribulation and the reign of Christ after all that. One of the key events is the return of all Jews to Israel. Since Jews are not going to be Raptured because they haven't accepted Christ as their savior,they will be left behind and subject to slaughter by the Antichrist. I was raised in a church that taught classes about all this,based on Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth and a couple of other books. It's really a specific support of Jews and Israel as a means to and end here. Without this interpretation of the Book of Revelations,it's very doubtful these folks would give a rats ass about that part of the world or the Jewish people. Seriously,that's the only context these Christians ever care a whit about when speaking of Jews and the middle east.

678 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:43:58am

re: #666 Killgore Trout

Again, why do you trust the factcheckers? Why do the numerous errors they've committed not make you examine their factchecking more skeptically?

Billion and one, now.

679 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:44:08am

re: #659 Expand Your Ground

Did not say that of all of them.

And "slaughter Jews" was a bit hyperbolic on his part, but there is a sizeable body of End Times Christians who want to see Armageddon and the Second Coming, and if that involves the slaughter of Jews, then they see that as God's Will Being Done.

So is this an example of religious tolerance by the Dems, claiming Christians want to slaughter Jews? I'm just a bit confused.

680 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:44:21am

Patriot Update. Gurggle.

681 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:24am

re: #669 ggt

I think there are still journalist, editors and reporters out there that do it. They've been lost in the corporate need for profit.

Christian Science Monitor often does a good job. Instead of just repeating the text from an AP article (or whatever) they often consult an expert or do some research. A little value added content goes a long way.

682 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:30am

re: #670 jaunte

In fact, that headline (though designed to get hits) is false.

He doesn't say who would be doing the slaughtering.

Who are the Christians going to hire to do the slaughtering?

683 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:46am

Hometown local section had the headline "Naked Man Arrested."

Okay. I'm thinking bar, liquor store parking lot, 3 am, right?

Nope. 7:15 am in front of a local middle school.

His name belongs on a watch list for the rest of his life.

684 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:53am

re: #682 NJDhockeyfan

Who are the Christians going to hire to do the slaughtering?

Teamsters?
///

685 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:45:57am

re: #679 NJDhockeyfan

He didn't say that Christians want to slaughter Jews, though.

686 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:29am

re: #677 A Mom Anon

There's a pretty large subset of Christians, the end timers who believe a specific set of events have to happen before the second coming of Christ,the Rapture,Tribulation and the reign of Christ after all that. One of the key events is the return of all Jews to Israel. Since Jews are not going to be Raptured because they haven't accepted Christ as their savior,they will be left behind and subject to slaughter by the Antichrist. I was raised in a church that taught classes about all this,based on Hal Lindsey's Late Great Planet Earth and a couple of other books. It's really a specific support of Jews and Israel as a means to and end here. Without this interpretation of the Book of Revelations,it's very doubtful these folks would give a rats ass about that part of the world or the Jewish people. Seriously,that's the only context these Christians ever care a whit about when speaking of Jews and the middle east.

Is that what Mark Alan Siegel was talking about? I missed that part of his statement.

687 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:30am

re: #675 Obdicut

Almost all the factcheckers are just rebranded media people, though. And I find a lot of useful stuff gets spread by citizen journalists-- including stuff demonstrating flaws with the factcheckers.

The problems with the media are systemic ones that can't be solved by suddenly calling themselves 'factcheckers'.

Yes, I find it truly awesome. No need to trust the media. One can get on the internet, go to the source and figure it out. We can talk to people from other countries and ask them how it is going.

688 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:37am

re: #682 NJDhockeyfan

I think it goes something like this:

The Jews will reject the Antichrist, and he will respond with an attempt to annihilate them, killing two-thirds of them in the process (Revelation 12:13-17 & Zechariah 13:8-9).
[Link: lamblion.com...]

689 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:45am

re: #679 NJDhockeyfan

So is this an example of religious tolerance by the Dems, claiming Christians want to slaughter Jews? I'm just a bit confused.

Did you miss the part where fundamentalist churches teach what amounts to the Left Behind series as actual theology, and that supporting Israel for them is just a means to an end to bring about Armageddon and the Rapture?

690 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:46:58am

re: #683 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Hometown local section had the headline "Naked Man Arrested."

Okay. I'm thinking bar, liquor store parking lot, 3 am, right?

Nope. 7:15 am in front of a local middle school.

His name belongs on a watch list for the rest of his life.

Those stories often have "alcohol may have been a factor" somewhere in them.

691 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:47:21am

re: #685 Obdicut

He didn't say that Christians want to slaughter Jews, though.

Correct.

692 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:47:41am

re: #690 Cannadian Club Akbar

Those stories often have "alcohol may have been a factor" somewhere in them.

Yep, but he's really got the wrong time, wrong place thing going on.

Luckily, at 7:15, the students are still home eating Fruit Loops.

693 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:48:19am

re: #682 NJDhockeyfan

Who are the Christians going to hire to do the slaughtering?

Nobody. The idea is that once the Second Coming and the Rapture start, God will do all the slaughtering.

694 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:48:38am

re: #689 Lidane

Did you miss the part where fundamentalist churches teach what amounts to the Left Behind series as actual theology, and that supporting Israel for them is just a means to an end to bring about Armageddon and the Rapture?

Yes, I did miss that part. Where are those churches? Are they the same ones who dance with snakes? I never heard such a thing at the churches I grew up in.

695 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:48:40am

re: #692 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Yep, but he's really got the wrong time, wrong place thing going on.

Luckily, at 7:15, the students are still home eating Fruit Loops.

While a Fruit Loop dances in the parking lot.

696 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:48:48am

re: #688 jaunte

I think it goes something like this:

That's right a person has up to the nano-second before whatever to repent and accept Christ.

Not that Christ is that egotistical. It's just a way to get more donations --they accept Mastercard, Visa, American Express and PayPal.

697 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:49:22am

re: #693 Lidane

Well, there will be a big battle. Actually, it all gets really freaky. Revelations was probably actually a political allegory, so it's not going to make any actual sense. And if it wasn't, it really doesn't make any sense, because it's like a bad acid trip.

698 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:49:54am

re: #693 Lidane

Nobody. The idea is that once the Second Coming and the Rapture start, God will do all the slaughtering.

If that's what he was taling about why didn't Mark Alan Siegel explain himself?

699 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:50:33am

re: #679 NJDhockeyfan

So is this an example of religious tolerance by the Dems, claiming Christians want to slaughter Jews? I'm just a bit confused.

If you just don't want to believe it then say so and we can do away with telling you the facts of the matter. Easier and less bits wasted that way.

700 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:05am

re: #694 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, I did miss that part. Where are those churches? Are they the same ones who dance with snakes? I never heard such a thing at the churches I grew up in.

Listen to people like Pat Robertson and John Hagee sometime. They've been preaching those ideas for decades. There's a reason the Left Behind books were so popular -- they reflected the fundamentalist theology that these people are pushing.

701 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:13am

re: #698 NJDhockeyfan

If that's what he was taling about why didn't Mark Alan Siegel explain himself?

She was kind of in his face.

702 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:28am

re: #694 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, I did miss that part. Where are those churches? Are they the same ones who dance with snakes? I never heard such a thing at the churches I grew up in.

Did you see that graphic I posted the other day listing the people the devil hates? I can't find it now.

703 Big Steve  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:40am

I see the overnight TV ratings are out and predictably football won big over the convention.

704 Sheila Broflovski  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:56am

re: #688 jaunte

I think it goes something like this:

The Jews will reject the Antichrist, and he will respond with an attempt to annihilate them, killing two-thirds of them in the process (Revelation 12:13-17 & Zechariah 13:8-9).

So Hitler was the Antichrist. Makes sense to me.

705 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:57am

re: #634 Expand Your Ground

There are Christians who support Israel for this very reason, and this reason alone. They form a quietly scary subset of the conservative Christian Right.

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

So they support Israel so they can slaughter Jews? Really?

Yes, some do

John Hagee

Despite Hagee's professed "Christian Zionist" beliefs and public support for the state of Israel, Hagee has made statements that some have interpreted as antisemitic. He has blamed the Holocaust on Jews themselves. He has stated that Hitler's persecution was a "divine plan" to lead Jews to form the modern state of Israel. He calls liberal Jews "poisoned" and "spiritually blind." He also admits that that the preemptive nuclear attack on Iran that he favors will lead to the deaths of most Jews in Israel.[44]

In his book Jerusalem Countdown, Hagee claims that Adolf Hitler was born from a lineage of "accursed, genocidally murderous half-breed Jews."[45] On page 149 in a chapter with the title 'Who Is a Jew?', Hagee writes:

"It was Esau's descendants who produced the half-breed Jews of history who have persecuted and murdered the Jews beyond human comprehension ... Adolf Hitler was a distant descendant of Esau."[45]

Hagee has attributed the persecution of Jews throughout history, implicitly including the Holocaust, to disobedience, thereby attracting accusations of antisemitism:[46]

"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people."[47]

706 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:51:57am

re: #694 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, I did miss that part. Where are those churches? Are they the same ones who dance with snakes? I never heard such a thing at the churches I grew up in.

There are a lot of mainstream fundamentalist churches in the US that believe in a real-world end-times apocalypse. The Southern Baptist Conference churches mostly believe in a biblical Armageddon, which includes the death and conversion of Jews.

707 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:52:35am

re: #699 RayFerd

If you just don't want to believe it then say so and we can do away with telling you the facts of the matter. Easier and less bits wasted that way.

Believing that Christians support Israel so they can slaughter them is insane. Anyone who thinks that way or any Christians who want to do that needs their head examined.

708 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:52:35am

re: #700 Lidane

Listen to people like Pat Robertson and John Hagee sometime. They've been preaching those ideas for decades. There's a reason the Left Behind books were so popular -- they reflected the fundamentalist theology that these people are pushing.

John Hagee who by the way is famously quoted as saying that Hitler was fulfilling God's will. Lots of people with that mindset out there unfortunately.

709 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:53:46am

re: #705 blueraven

re: #650 NJDhockeyfan

Yes, some do

John Hagee

John Hagee is such a nasty asshole. And you haven't even touched what the guy says about Catholics yet.

710 jaunte  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:53:55am
Anyone who thinks that way or any Christians who want to do that needs their head examined.

John Hagee, yes. Bryan Fischer, most likely.

711 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:21am

re: #679 NJDhockeyfan

So is this an example of religious tolerance by the Dems, claiming Christians want to slaughter Jews? I'm just a bit confused.

Yes, you are.

The headline claimed Christians want to slaughter Jews. The person in question did not.

712 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:23am

This book is supposed to give some insight to the Whacko Christians. I started to listen to it on audio and couldn't get into it.

713 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:25am
Youtube Video

Religion in a Nutshell.
714 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:26am

Ah, Ok. I see the Koskidz are outraged about the AP fact check as well.
FACT CHECK: Clinton claims of compromise a stretch

CLINTON: ‘‘Their campaign pollster said, ‘We’re not going to let our campaign be dictated by fact checkers.’ Now that is true. I couldn’t have said it better myself — I just hope you remember that every time you see the ad.’’

THE FACTS: Clinton, who famously finger-wagged a denial on national television about his sexual relationship with intern Monica Lewinsky and was subsequently impeached in the House on a perjury charge, has had his own uncomfortable moments over telling the truth. ‘‘I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky,’’ Clinton told television viewers. Later, after he was forced to testify to a grand jury, Clinton said his statements were ‘‘legally accurate’’ but also allowed that he ‘‘misled people, including even my wife.’’

That's not a fact check. "the facts" they added aren't even related to Clinton's statement. AP gets a big fail for this one.

715 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:54:52am

re: #705 blueraven

John Hagee speaks for a small group of Christians, not the majority. He's a kook.

716 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:55:00am

re: #703 Big Steve

I see the overnight TV ratings are out and predictably football won big over the convention.

Outrage!

717 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:55:15am

re: #682 NJDhockeyfan

They'll be killed in the chaos after the Rapture. The world is a wreck then and Jews are targeted because they're seen as being against Jesus since they aren't believers. There will be seven years of Tribulation with the Antichrist being the head of the one world government at which time all hell breaks loose,so to speak.

Hey,I didn't say it makes sense or sounds logical. Look up stuff about Rushdoony and Hal Lindsey,they're the go to guys for the modern interpretations of Revelations that espouses this crazy.

718 AK-47%  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:55:56am

re: #715 NJDhockeyfan

John Hagee speaks for a small group of Christians, not the majority. He's a kook.

It is a small group that has gained a great deal of influence in recent years. They tend to keep low-key about the Armageddon stuff.

719 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:56:00am

re: #715 NJDhockeyfan

John Hagee speaks for a small group of Christians, not the majority. He's a kook.

Same with Fischer. The problem is the main-stream Christians tend to ignore the whackos --when they should be actively working to shut them up. They don't realize how much political power the have.

720 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:56:25am

re: #715 NJDhockeyfan

John Hagee speaks for a small group of Christians, not the majority. He's a kook.

Right...his mega church has 19,000 parishioners

721 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:56:35am

re: #717 A Mom Anon

They'll be killed in the chaos after the Rapture. The world is a wreck then and Jews are targeted because they're seen as being against Jesus since they aren't believers. There will be seven years of Tribulation with the Antichrist being the head of the one world government at which time all hell breaks loose,so to speak.

Hey,I didn't say it makes sense or sounds logical. Look up stuff about Rushdoony and Hal Lindsey,they're the go to guys for the modern interpretations of Revelations that espouses this crazy.

I'll be left behind or killed.

Am on the list for bringing Fresh Coffee to Hell.

722 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:56:38am

re: #716 Killgore Trout

Outrage!

You thought you were living in, perhaps, the Netherlands?

723 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:56:40am

Didn't Robertson say that Sharon's stroke was pretty much justified too?

724 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:57:30am

re: #707 NJDhockeyfan

Believing that Christians support Israel so they can slaughter them is insane. Anyone who thinks that way or any Christians who want to do that needs their head examined.

Well, put it another way. These end-times Christians who believe in the apocalypse believe that is going to happen, that the antichrist will come, that the battle will be fought, and that Jews will be slaughtered and the survivors convert to Christianity. That is the actual belief.

You seem to keep making the mistake of thinking he said that CHristians want to slaughter Jews. That's wrong, and you should really stop saying it-- it's getting creepy that you're accusing a Jew of fomenting that, when what he said was that there are Christians who support Israel out of religious motivation-- not because it's a secular democracy surrounded by tyrants, but because the integrity of Israel is important in their theology.

There are many charasmatic and evangelical Christian leaders and churches who will outright say this, that Israel should be protected due to its biblical importance. The unfortuante final logic of it is that they also believe that, once Israel has reached the appropriate fulfillment of prophecy, that Jews will be slaughtered and convert.

I think that it's not a matter of anyone hoping this will happen, but it is a matter of believing that this will happen, and it's a pretty weird belief.

In addition, the support these people have for Israel is based on irrational religious reasons, and therefore isn't fully trustable; many of the more nutjobby fundamentalist Christian leaders are against Israel giving up any land because they think that will delay the fulfillment of the prophecy.

Given that it involves religious fanaticism, none of this is really going to make any sense, per se.

725 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:57:40am

re: #722 Mostly sane, most of the time.

You thought you were living in, perhaps, the Netherlands?

I must have been misled by the mayonnaise on my french fries.

726 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:57:41am

re: #707 NJDhockeyfan

Believing that Christians support Israel so they can slaughter them is insane.

Believing that ALL Christians feel that way is insane. Recognizing that some of the more rabid fundamentalists feel that way is just acknowledging reality.

Anyone who thinks that way or any Christians who want to do that needs their head examined.

John Hagee, Pat Robertson, Hal Lindsey and others have been pushing this idea for ages.

727 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:58:20am

re: #715 NJDhockeyfan

John Hagee speaks for a small group of Christians, not the majority. He's a kook.

also

Hagee is the President and CEO of John Hagee Ministries, which telecasts his national radio and television ministry carried in the United States on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations, and eight networks, including The Inspiration Network (INSP), Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN), and Inspiration Now TV.[2] The ministries can be seen and heard weekly in 99 million homes. John Hagee Ministries is in Canada on the Miracle Channel and CTS and can be seen in Africa, Europe, Australia, New Zealand, and in most Third World nations.[3]

just a rinky dink operation /

728 Mocking Jay  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:58:49am

re: #714 Killgore Trout

Ah, Ok. I see the Koskidz are outraged about the AP fact check as well.
FACT CHECK: Clinton claims of compromise a stretch

That's not a fact check. "the facts" they added aren't even related to Clinton's statement. AP gets a big fail for this one.

I... agree with you.

Need to go shower off...

729 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:29am

Well, I believe that the current economic downturn was brought on by greed at all levels, and such greed will create unstable and unwise economics that will make such a collapse inevitable.

Believing that something is inevitable doesn't mean you want something to happen.

730 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 9:59:59am

Time to slay some nonbeliever. (And by slay I mean eat. And by nonbeliever I mean a samich) bbl

731 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00:02am

re: #714 Killgore Trout

Now maybe is a good time to go back through the other factcheck articles you've accepted uncritically, and actually see why people are objecting to them.

732 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00:18am

re: #720 blueraven

Right...his mega church has 19,000 parishioners

According to Christianity Today magazine, of the 6.3 billion people in the world today, about 33% are professing Christians. They belong to nearly 38,000 different church groups.

19,000 out of 6.3 billion. Just a speck of crazy in the number of Christians worldwide.

733 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:00:38am
734 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:03am

I was taught in Catholic Grade School that Propechy and fate negate Free Will. You can't have both and the Church was firmly on the side of Free Will.

735 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:38am

re: #732 NJDhockeyfan

According to Christianity Today magazine, of the 6.3 billion people in the world today, about 33% are professing Christians. They belong to nearly 38,000 different church groups.

19,000 out of 6.3 billion. Just a speck of crazy in the number of Christians worldwide.

The fact that Fischer alone get's news time is indicative of his influence --no?

736 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:39am

re: #733 Lidane

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Didn't these same twits whine when former registered Republicans whom are now registered Dems appeared in an ad? Yeah, love the consistency Team Romney.

737 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:01:49am
738 Gretchen G.Tiger  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:02:38am

Ah, new thread, my cue to get something accomplished.

Have a great day all!

739 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:02:49am

re: #735 ggt

The fact that Fischer alone get's news time is indicative of his influence --no?

Or that Pat Robertson was once a Republican candidate for president and he said that Ariel Sharon having a stroke was God's punishment to him. Is that what a real friend of Israel would say? That God's punishing their leader with a stroke because of a policy decision.

740 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:03:08am

re: #734 ggt

I was taught in Catholic Grade School that Propechy and fate negate Free Will. You can't have both and the Church was firmly on the side of Free Will.

Well, I was taught that prophesy does not negate free will. Fate is not a theological concept for us.

If you put a box full of doughnuts in a room full of 12 year boys two hour after lunch, the doughnuts will be gone, shortly.

It doesn't mean that the boys didn't choose to eat the doughnuts. It means that 12 year old boys are, essentially, hollow.

741 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:04:29am

re: #686 NJDhockeyfan

That's the basis for this statement,IMO yes. Because that's where the idea of certain Christians not caring about the fate of the Jewish people come from. Not every Christian beleives this,obviously,it's the dominionist-end-times-brand of Christianity,and it's alot more prevalent than people realize. It's been around for awhile,but gained popularity in the 70's. Hagee isn't the only one with a megachurch espousing this. There are alot of more mainstream Christian churches that also have that same set of beliefs about the Book of Revelations,they just aren't as vocal as some of the nutbars like Hagee. Mt Paran church of God here in Atlanta has several locations with over a total of 30K members who teach this in their bible studies and sunday schools. It's there,alot more than you think.

742 blueraven  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:04:55am

re: #732 NJDhockeyfan

According to Christianity Today magazine, of the 6.3 billion people in the world today, about 33% are professing Christians. They belong to nearly 38,000 different church groups.

19,000 out of 6.3 billion. Just a speck of crazy in the number of Christians worldwide.

Perhaps so, but 19,000 active members in one mega church is pretty impressive. Televised sermons to 99 million homes is pretty impressive.

Please dont act like these people and their beliefs are something to just brush off.

743 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:05:18am

Gary North... Rushdoony...

744 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:07:19am

Let's not forget that these guys have universities as well. Pat Robertson's Regent, Jerry Falwell's Liberty, and Michael Farris's Patrick Henry. And this is just in my state alone. They have influence. They don't speak for all Christians but they are a huge part of the evangelical movement in this country.

745 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:08:56am

re: #743 Gus

Hey, check this out. It looks like Arutz Sheva is jumping the shark with our old friend Walid Shoebat who now seems to be implying that President Bush was somehow complicit in the 9/11 attacks:

Who Financed 9/11 & Has Justice Been Done?

[...] Shoebat questioned the Bush-Saudi connection, the fact that U.S. President Bush grounded all flights immediaitely after the attack, yet gave the green light for flying Saudi VIPs out of the USA.

Different theories were discussed as Shoebat spoke about the mysterious deaths of three Saudi princes after an Al Qaeda member who was being interrogated gave up their names. A short time later, all three princes were dead -within one week of each other.

Is there some tacit leniency with the Saudis? Has justice been done for the victims?

746 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:09:15am

re: #735 ggt

The fact that Fischer alone get's news time is indicative of his influence --no?

So does Fred Phelps and Louis Farrakhan. I don't think they have much influence on who sees them on the news.

747 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:10:50am

re: #745 CuriousLurker

Hey, check this out. It looks like Arutz Sheva is jumping the shark with our old friend Walid Shoebat who now seems to be implying that President Bush was somehow complicit in the 9/11 attacks:

No shortage of crazy. Isn't friends with Geller or Spencer?

748 Lidane  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:12:07am
749 A Mom Anon  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:12:22am

re: #746 NJDhockeyfan

Again,it's not just Hagee. He's a drop in the bucket of this brand of Christianity. He's not the only one by a long shot. Not all of these guys have radio shows,are on tv or write books. There are lots of megachurches in America,along with just some regular old churches that have this as part of their teachings.

750 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:12:34am

re: #747 Gus

No shortage of crazy. Isn't friends with Geller or Spencer?

But of course.

751 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:12:43am

re: #742 blueraven

Perhaps so, but 19,000 active members in one mega church is pretty impressive. Televised sermons to 99 million homes is pretty impressive.

Please dont act like these people and their beliefs are something to just brush off.

Is that number from all the homes who get that channel included with their TV packages with cable & satellite companies or how many watch him every week? If its the latter I worry about who is watching that shit. Fortunately I haven't met one person who watched his sermons.

752 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:13:47am

re: #749 A Mom Anon

Again,it's not just Hagee. He's a drop in the bucket of this brand of Christianity. He's not the only one by a long shot. Not all of these guys have radio shows,are on tv or write books. There are lots of megachurches in America,along with just some regular old churches that have this as part of their teachings.

Arthur Balfour
Glenn Beck
John Nelson Darby
Tom DeLay
Jerry Falwell
John Hagee
Alan Keyes
Hal Lindsey
Chuck Missler
Pat Robertson
David Pawson
John Walvoord
Orde Wingate
Sandor Nemeth
William Eugene Blackstone
Reverend William H. Hechler
Anthony Ashley Cooper, the Seventh Earl of Shaftesbury [citation needed]
Malcolm Hedding
James David Manning

753 Gus  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:14:19am

More here and here.

754 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:14:42am

I guess this argument of what he meant by that is a mute point now. He's apologized.

Here’s Siegel’s statement:

“I apologize to all Democrats and Floridians for my ill chosen words last night. After watching the interview I realize that what I said did not accurately make the point I was trying to establish. More importantly I apologize to all Christians, Jews and other people of faith for any embarrassment or anger my remarks may have caused. Throughout my life I have practiced religious tolerance among all people of faith. I am sincerely sorry for any remarks I made that may have diminished that record. I alone am responsible for my remarks and I pray that they are not taken as the position of the Palm Beach County Democratic Party.”

755 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:16:23am

re: #749 A Mom Anon

Again,it's not just Hagee. He's a drop in the bucket of this brand of Christianity. He's not the only one by a long shot. Not all of these guys have radio shows,are on tv or write books. There are lots of megachurches in America,along with just some regular old churches that have this as part of their teachings.

The Left Behind series of books by LaHaye are massive bestsellers too.

756 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:21:59am

re: #755 CuriousLurker

The Left Behind series of books by LaHaye are massive bestsellers too.

He's also a conspiracy theorist nut too. Kind of goes with the turf. If you're nuts about one thing, you're going to be about other ones.

757 Coracle  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:23:46am

re: #533 sattv4u2

Well, lets hope the Orioles do it

Holy heck. I agree with satt.

The end is truly nigh.

758 Eventual Carrion  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:30:35am

re: #707 NJDhockeyfan

Believing that Christians support Israel so they can slaughter them is insane. Anyone who thinks that way or any Christians who want to do that needs their head examined.

That we can agree on. But they are out there, in fairly large numbers.

759 The Ghost of a Flea  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:35:09am

re: #749 A Mom Anon

Again,it's not just Hagee. He's a drop in the bucket of this brand of Christianity. He's not the only one by a long shot. Not all of these guys have radio shows,are on tv or write books. There are lots of megachurches in America,along with just some regular old churches that have this as part of their teachings.

Look at the popularity of Timothy LaHaye and the Left Behind series. How many books sold?

The explicit appeal of Left Behind was that it was based on the "literal" Book of Revelations, such that the series included a prophecy timeline of what signs to look for in what order when the Apocalypse starts.

760 Daniel Ballard  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 10:36:49am

re: #675 Obdicut

I just fail to see why good people who work ultimately for a newspaper (a traditional source of good journalism and adherence to facts) but actually work at say Politifact are somehow inherently incapable of doing the fact check job. I just do not see a pattern of bias from the Tampa or Miami papers overlaying Politifacts work.

Do you?

Sorry this is late but I'm a bit caught up with work

761 makeitstop  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 11:01:23am

re: #733 Lidane

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It's also a ridiculously bad ad, too.

762 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 6, 2012 12:20:24pm

re: #760 Daniel Ballard

I just fail to see why good people who work ultimately for a newspaper (a traditional source of good journalism and adherence to facts) but actually work at say Politifact are somehow inherently incapable of doing the fact check job.

Who is saying they're inherently incapable of doing a good job?

I'm saying that, demonstrably, on a number of occasions, they haven't done a good job.

I just do not see a pattern of bias from the Tampa or Miami papers overlaying Politifacts work.

I'm not alleging a pattern of bias. I'm saying they get stuff wrong a lot, and there's no reason to think that because they call themselves factcheckers that they're more trustable or objective than anyone else.


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