1 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:24:18am

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

2 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:30:51am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

Downding for shooting the messenger.

3 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:33:10am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

Okay. If that's the way it's gonna be from now on I'm game.

4 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:33:33am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

Give examples.

5 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:34:24am

re: #3 Mocking Jay

Okay. If that's the way it's gonna be from now on I'm game.

Maybe you just need a shower!
/

6 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:34:48am

re: #4 Obdicut

Give examples.

Obama. Democrat. enough said.

7 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:35:28am

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

“President Obama is the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people,” Eastwood told The Pine Cone this week.

Wow. Greatest ever.

8 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:36:16am

re: #4 Obdicut

Give examples.

There were mischaracterizations, and I called them in a bar full of Dem activists. At least twice the Prez and a surrogate said Mitt Romney was not a bad person, just misguided.

9 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:36:57am

re: #7 Mocking Jay

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Wow. Greatest ever.

Thanks Clint for insulting half of the American population. Good Luck and all that.

10 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:37:34am

Mornin' everyone. A quick scan through the twittersphere and this caught my eye...


Hey Mitt...by now people are starting to want to see that you have taken some interest in the job you're applying for. They don't just care about criticizing the black guy.

11 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:38:26am

re: #8 Decatur Deb

There were mischaracterizations, and I called them in a bar full of Dem activists. At least twice the Prez and a surrogate said Mitt Romney was not a bad person, just misguided.

Careful. If Falcon figures out what you meant by that he might downding it.

12 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:38:56am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

Thanking the troops for their service - something Romney didn't even have the decency to do - is "excuse-making"? Good to know.

13 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:39:23am
14 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:40:36am

re: #13 darthstar

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It also refers to him as "Christ." Been seeing that a lot lately.

15 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:40:56am

re: #10 darthstar

Mornin' everyone. A quick scan through the twittersphere and this caught my eye...

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Hey Mitt...by now people are starting to want to see that you have taken some interest in the job you're applying for. They don't just care about criticizing the black guy.

You see, I find this type of thing just as disturbing as the racism on the right just assuming they are criticizing the President because he is the "black guy."

16 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:41:06am

re: #13 darthstar

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CNN has decided to give Fox a run for its money.

17 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:42:25am

re: #7 Mocking Jay

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Wow. Greatest ever.

He said that? OK, now that's creepy. I'm going to withdraw my "forgiveness" of his stupid RNC skit.

18 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:42:38am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

Mitt Romney deserves to be mocked for some of the shit he's said. I'm glad President Obama ridiculed him rather than railed angrily against him. So some of his words apparently hit home with you. Good.

19 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:43:18am

Fire republicans forever and never let those destructive, selfish excuses for public servants hold office again.

20 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:43:19am

BBT

21 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:43:58am

Heh...Sarah Palin told fox business Neil Cavuto that John Kerry diminished himself by even mentioning her in his speech.

“I think he diminished himself by even mentioning my name,” Palin said. “How does he even know my name? I mean aren’t these guys supposed to be these big wig elites who don’t waste their time on the little people like me — me representing the average American.”

clueless

(video at link)
[Link: www.salon.com...]

22 wheat-dogg  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:44:05am

re: #7 Mocking Jay

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Wow. Greatest ever.

In the same sense that Iraq was "mission accomplished," he's right.

23 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:02am

re: #15 Big Steve

You see, I find this type of thing just as disturbing as the racism on the right just assuming they are criticizing the President because he is the "black guy."

But that's what it comes down to. They've spent so much time labeling President Obama as somehow 'foreign' in his policies, not understanding the American way, and they've been so consistent with this framing that's exactly how they come across. I mean, think how this makes Romney look at his country club...his friends see him struggling to win an election against someone who's other. Yeesh.

24 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:07am

I guess Clint wants to go out in a ball of flame by being a stupid wingnut much like John Wayne did. All his life he's kept a low profile even while being in politics. Now? He's just another dipshit wingnut who can go fuck himself.

25 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:15am

re: #19 Interesting Times

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Fire republicans forever and never let those creeps hold office again.

Wall Street Journal is a notorious left-wing disinformation rag.

26 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:47:50am

re: #20 Dark_Falcon

BBT

Bring facts.

27 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:52:15am

re: #21 blueraven

Heh...Sarah Palin told fox business Neil Cavuto that John Kerry diminished himself by even mentioning her in his speech.

clueless

(video at link)
[Link: www.salon.com...]

Every time I hear her speak, I am even more grateful that she is not representing this country and has no seat of power whatsoever.

28 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:53:31am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Upding for explaining the down ding, race to the bottom with KT!?

29 Big Steve  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:54:34am

re: #19 Interesting Times

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Fire republicans forever and never let those creeps hold office again.

Great tweet too bad it is factually incorrect....State Cuts both red and blue states have had govt jobs cut.

30 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:56:25am

re: #23 darthstar

But that's what it comes down to. They've spent so much time labeling President Obama as somehow 'foreign' in his policies, not understanding the American way, and they've been so consistent with this framing that's exactly how they come across. I mean, think how this makes Romney look at his country club...his friends see him struggling to win an election against someone who's other. Yeesh.

I don't know how many times I've seen people on a debate board I'm on going on and on about the "affirmative action president," that they aren't birthers, but gee, there are still "questions," etc. I can only take it one way.

31 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:57:26am

Emogprog alert!

Liberalism’s old world order

What is the impeccable logic of the liberal way to run the world? “Improve” your form, the west tells the peoples of the world, or we’ll kill you.

32 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:57:30am

One of my favorite lines of the week:

“Feel a cold coming on? Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning!”

Ridicule...so much more effective a weapon than a sledgehammer.

33 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:58:03am

When Mitt Romney and the rest of the GOP American Taliban will accept than I am a HUMAN BEING I will consider voting Republican again. Until then, I vote Democratic.

34 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 7:58:08am

re: #31 Gus

Emogprog alert!

Liberalism’s old world order

35 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:00:31am

And people wonder why we want god as far from politics as possible.

36 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:00:42am
37 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:01:26am

re: #29 Big Steve

Great tweet too bad it is factually incorrect....State Cuts both red and blue states have had govt jobs cut.

That link conveniently (for your argument) makes it difficult to quickly see which states lost the most public sector jobs. This one, on the other hand, does not:

Red States See Massive Public Sector Job Losses

Nearly all of the job losses took place at the state and local level, and they were most severe in a handful of GOP-controlled states. In other words, erosion of public sector employment isn’t a problem affecting the entire country equally—it’s a problem in particular states, thanks to very particular legislators. As the following chart shows, seven states laid off more than 2.5 percent of their own state and local workforce. Other states lost, on average, less than half a percent of their workforce.

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38 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:02:06am

re: #32 darthstar

One of my favorite lines of the week:

Ridicule...so much more effective a weapon than a sledgehammer.

And at least one conservative writer acknowledged that he was right:

39 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:03:18am

re: #38 Lidane

And at least one conservative writer acknowledged that he was right:

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Turncoat!

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40 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:06:57am

A repeat (plus a little) of a reply to Gus from downstairs, and upon observing the great stock market and the pretty awful employment report both national and local

If half (maybe far less) the profitable stock/bond/derivative/whatevers were widgets that had to be made, packaged, distributed in the US and sold to the US consumer, the economy would be freakin great. Lots of people would be in the widget biz. We'd all be talking about the merits of various kinds. It would be the widget boom economy.

41 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:07:01am

re: #35 Mocking Jay

And people wonder why we want god as far from politics as possible.

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I have no idea why the DNC let Dolan step foot in the convention, let alone say a prayer.

42 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:08:46am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. New photos from the WTC. More specifically, the 103rd floor and looking out over the rest of the WTC, including the memorial, 2, 3, and 4WTC, and the PATH transit hub.

43 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:09:28am

re: #41 Sionainn

I have no idea why the DNC let Dolan step foot in the convention, let alone say a prayer.

Because at some point you actually have to sit on some ideology and get somebody elected.

44 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:09:33am

It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:

45 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:11:42am

re: #44 Lidane

It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:

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That's mild by everyday Freep commenters. They expect blue helmets and Black Panthers in the streets.

46 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:13:33am
47 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:14:42am

re: #43 Decatur Deb

Because at some point you actually have to sit on some ideology and get somebody elected.

Sucks for people like me who don't believe and think that religion shouldn't be in government at all.

48 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:15:08am

re: #44 Lidane

It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:

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Right. Now why didn't we think of that.

Con$piracy!

49 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:16:15am

re: #47 Sionainn

Sucks for people like me who don't believe and think that religion shouldn't be in government at all.

Sucks a bit, but so would a century of TPGOP rule. Before you can purify the party, you have to educate the electorate. That's multi-generational.

50 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:17:27am

Is it surprising that the criticisms over Obama's speech last night are falling along predictable partisan lines? The President gave a good, but not great speech last night. Offered up reasons enough to vote for him and might sway some independents that might be on the fence.

The clearest message was that the GOP is simply offering up no plan or alternative to Obama other than that Mitt is simply not Obama. That's the sum and substance of the GOP plan - vote Mitt because he's not Obama.

The economic plans to get the economy going? Obama at least has a vision and has tried getting things going - the GOP is simply falling back on still more tax cuts even as they complain that the deficit grows (ignoring the link between cuts in revenue and adding to the deficit). Spending cuts alone wont shrink the deficit either, and would harm Americans in the short and long run.

I think the President reaffirmed his case to Democrats and urged them to GOTV for him in November. He might have swayed some independents.

It will be interesting to see what kind of bounce he gets, particularly with the mixed figures on unemployment that came out this AM. Jobs were below expectations, but the rate also ticked down .1%, and that is being attributed to more people stopping looking for jobs. That may spur the Fed to act (what they might do? I'm not sure, since interest rates are already extremely low - maybe another qualitative easing round).

51 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:17:29am

re: #49 Decatur Deb

Sucks a bit, but so would a century of TPGOP rule. Before you can purify the party, you have to educate the electorate. That's multi-generational.

True.

52 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:18:28am

Convention Mention final scores:

Positive accolades from his own party:
Obama the Great 686,
Romney the Great 213
Guess which party actually likes their candidate?

Negative comments about the other:
Obama the terrible 411
Romney the terrible 354

War
Republicans apparently are afraid of that topic.
14 mentions to the Democrats 118

[Link: elections.huffingtonpost.com...]

53 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:20:45am

This is a very good way of putting it:

54 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:21:27am

I'm not saying it, I'm still on my first cup of coffee.

How are you-all?

55 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:23:48am

re: #50 lawhawk

The clearest message was that the GOP is simply offering up no plan or alternative to Obama other than that Mitt is simply not Obama. That's the sum and substance of the GOP plan - vote Mitt because he's not Obama.

Sounds a lot like "anybody but Bush". It was a weak and unintelligent approach then, and far more so now. We have all got to hold to a higher standard than "not THAT guy" to do anything better than decline. I hope that lesson sticks in the next few Presidential cycles.

56 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:25:57am

re: #55 Daniel Ballard

Sounds a lot like "anybody but Bush". It was a weak and unintelligent approach then, and far more so now. We have all got to hold to a higher standard than "not THAT guy" to do anything better than decline. I hope that lesson sticks in the next few Presidential cycles.

I think I can point out the irony of criticizing the Democrats for an alleged Anybody-But-X campaign without being accused of MBF'ing.

I'd like more forward-looking policy details from the left, but they're very much drawing a facts-and-policy-based contrast between both sides. This is distinct from the 'Obama sucks and his policies failed and we're not him' I heard last week.

57 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:26:34am

re: #53 Interesting Times

This is a very good way of putting it:

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I really disagree with that simplistic approach. I wish I could tweet her a Page.

My slightly hyperbolic headline
Causes of Economic Recession-Not ever The President

58 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:27:43am
Obama at least has a vision and has tried getting things going - the GOP is simply falling back on still more tax cuts even as they complain that the deficit grows (ignoring the link between cuts in revenue and adding to the deficit). Spending cuts alone wont shrink the deficit either, and would harm Americans in the short and long run.

His speech wasn't magic, but the effort to fix things is going to be pretty workmanlike. A plan vs. no plan.

59 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:27:55am

re: #57 Daniel Ballard

I really disagree with that simplistic approach. I wish I could tweet her a Page.

My slightly hyperbolic headline
Causes of Economic Recession-Not ever The President

It's never the POTUS, I remember they said it about Bush at the last election. Now, Obama.

SSDD

60 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:28:12am

re: #44 Lidane

It wouldn't be an election year without at least one nutter conspiracy about the POTUS planning to steal and/or cancel the election:

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That's funny, because there's been a constant rant on the right that an Iran-Israel war would get Obama tossed. Both because everyone would see his incompetence AND because of the sudden economic pain.

fwiw, if an attack happened I think the twit you quoted is more correct. We do not like to change horses in mid-stream during a military conflict. And we can pretty much guarantee the US would be in the middle of such a mess.

61 allegro  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:29:24am

re: #55 Daniel Ballard

Sounds a lot like "anybody but Bush".

I felt that way a bit in 2004 about Kerry but not at all in 2008. I liked Obama and voted enthusiastically for him. I would have voted with equal enthusiasm for Hilary as well. It was great. I didn't feel as though I was being a given a "lesser evil" choice. Though I certainly have issues with Obama in a few areas, I will vote without hesitation for him again.

62 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:30:10am

re: #50 lawhawk

Is it surprising that the criticisms over Obama's speech last night are falling along predictable partisan lines? The President gave a good, but not great speech last night. Offered up reasons enough to vote for him and might sway some independents that might be on the fence.

The clearest message was that the GOP is simply offering up no plan or alternative to Obama other than that Mitt is simply not Obama. That's the sum and substance of the GOP plan - vote Mitt because he's not Obama.

The economic plans to get the economy going? Obama at least has a vision and has tried getting things going - the GOP is simply falling back on still more tax cuts even as they complain that the deficit grows (ignoring the link between cuts in revenue and adding to the deficit). Spending cuts alone wont shrink the deficit either, and would harm Americans in the short and long run.

I think the President reaffirmed his case to Democrats and urged them to GOTV for him in November. He might have swayed some independents.

It will be interesting to see what kind of bounce he gets, particularly with the mixed figures on unemployment that came out this AM. Jobs were below expectations, but the rate also ticked down .1%, and that is being attributed to more people stopping looking for jobs. That may spur the Fed to act (what they might do? I'm not sure, since interest rates are already extremely low - maybe another qualitative easing round).

I think Clinton's speech will be most responsible for firing things up. And I also think one of the problems with Obama's speech is that he had a high bar to top, not only from Clinton's speech but from his own history of oratory.

63 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:30:25am

re: #58 jaunte

His speech wasn't magic, but the effort to fix things is going to be pretty workmanlike. A plan vs. no plan.

The conscience and soaring rhetoric came from Michelle Obama's speech. The magic came when Bill Clinton took the GOP out to the woodshed and spanked them. The righteous anger came from Joe Biden. The actual plan came from Barack Obama.

I thought it was a pretty good balance all the way around.

64 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:31:04am

re: #59 ggt

The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.

My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?

65 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:31:29am

re: #53 Interesting Times

That's rather misleading. President Bush didn't inherit a surplus on national debt. The national deficit was continuing to grow all while Clinton was in office. Clinton's fiscal year budgets for 1998-2000 reduced the growth of the already existing deficit. What Bush did inherit was a budget situation that if it continued would have potentially resulted in more revenue than generated due to higher tax rates. The 1998-2000 budgets created fiscal year surpluses, but they were not reducing the ongoing debt. They merely slowed the increase in the debt.

There's two sets of numbers to refer to. The first is the debt or surplus from an individual year budget. The second is the ongoing (historical) deficit. That rose all while Clinton was in office. It accelerated under Bush as tax cuts were not offset by spending cuts and spending increased - particularly from defense and homeland security spending. The tax cuts were supposed to expire in 2010, reverting to their pre-2001 rates. As we know the rates were extended through 2012. That further adds to the debt without offsetting cuts elsewhere.

66 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:33:55am

re: #62 kirkspencer

Yes, there were quite a few expectations to be met - and just meeting them wouldn't be viewed as great speech. The President had far higher expectations than those on Romney. Romney had to beat a Clint-chair, which he didn't - and everyone will remember the Eastwooding. Obama had to follow the oratory of Clinton, who's rightfully regarded as one of the political speakers of the past 30 years. Tough act to follow - and he did okay.

67 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:34:41am

re: #41 Sionainn

I have no idea why the DNC let Dolan step foot in the convention, let alone say a prayer.

Because many Americans don't consider you an American until you've sworn fealty to some sort of Bible-based god.

I know this from painful, painful experience.

68 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:34:58am

re: #64 Daniel Ballard

The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.

My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?

Mortgages.

69 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:38:23am

re: #64 Daniel Ballard

The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.

My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?

The solution, in a word, is jobs. Businesses don't want to hire because they're not selling enough. They aren't selling because people aren't spending, both because they don't have it and because they are worried enough they're trying to save it.

The solution, anathema to some though it would be, would be for a massive injection via a (or several) government funded temporary project, which when complete would:
a) have improved our nation in ways companies cannot afford to do - infrastructure (rail, energy, broadband, roads), culture (parks) - but which we need as a base from which to expand, and
b) could be for the most part sold or contracted to private industries (possibly with public oversight) for maintenance and improvement.

Not going to happen, but that'd be best.

70 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:39:05am

Let me see if I have this right. The DOW breaks the close from 2007. S&P are up as is NASDAQ. Unemployment went from 8.3% to 8.1% and continues on a downward trend. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.

I'm currently working on a large scale residential project and have a luxury residence to work on. These are all "team" projects.

This is bad economic news?

71 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:39:36am

re: #69 kirkspencer

I'd give my left nut for a few trillion in federally funded infrastructure work.

72 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:40:20am

Reagan and Bush 41 advisor Bruce Bartlett on Why Barack Obama Will Win the Election Easily

Pollster Nate Silver has done an excellent job of assembling all of the known political data on where the presidential race stood as of Wednesday. His analysis leads him to project that Obama will beat Romney 51.2 percent to 47.6 percent in the popular vote, and 311 to 227 in the Electoral College where only 270 votes are needed to win. Overall, Silver gives Obama a 76 percent chance of winning the election.

Those who don’t follow the data intensively can be forgiven for not knowing what good shape Obama is in, because it is rarely reported in the mainstream media. There is a simple reason for this: it has a huge vested interest in maintaining the idea that the election is so close it cannot be called and will come down to the last vote cast on Election Day.

That is because the media have huge political operations with many highly-paid commentators who need people reading and tuning in daily to see if their preferred candidate has made any headway. There is also an enormous amount of data being produced daily that requires reporting and analysis—polls, campaign contributions, charges and counter charges, endorsements, gaffes and so on. It is not hard to spin this vast cacophony of material in such a way as to maintain the fiction that the election will be close.

73 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:40:24am

What experience does Romney have in creating jobs? He's destroyed more jobs than he created.

74 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:41:54am
75 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:44:01am

A high school friend posted this on fb --it is a full lengths show she did with with other artist for little kids. Very cool to see old friends doing what they love and doing it well.

So funny, because I remember the bruhaha when she graduated to *need* a more expensive violin in high school.

76 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:44:05am

re: #30 Sionainn

I don't know how many times I've seen people on a debate board I'm on going on and on about the "affirmative action president," that they aren't birthers, but gee, there are still "questions," etc. I can only take it one way.

Yunno, if a lot of conservatives were not so ideologically blindered, they would be able to see Obama as a finne example of the American Dream in action and be proud at least of that aspect of his presidency: namely that someone from a non-priveleged background, through hard work and personal drive, can achieve the highest office in the land regardless of race.

But they would have to choke back enormous amounts of bigotry to even allow such thoughts to reach the speech centers of their brains.

77 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:44:14am

re: #72 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

The spin that the election is close based on polls may be a self-fulfilling prophesy. The media can only hope that is the case, but the economy is in much better shape than either Democrats or Republicans are willing to concede. There are still tremendous hurdles to overcome, but we've past a major recession. Growth isn't where anyone would want it to be, but putting the brakes on spending by talking down the economy at every turn - as the GOP is doing, isn't helping things. They're actively hoping that the economy sucks so that they can take credit when the economy picks up in 2013 as most economists think will happen.

78 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:45:36am

Fact Check!

"“I refuse to ask middle-class families to give up their deductions for owning a home or raising their kids just to pay for another millionaire’s tax cut,” Obama added.

Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner. In fact, I'm taxed on my property, and they can take my house away from me if I can't afford these taxes.

(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.

But I'm still voting for him!

79 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:46:51am

re: #64 Daniel Ballard

The real argument is how a President and his legislature manages the downturn. The cause is always larger economic factors. Maybe the Fed but that's still not the POTUS. The management & proposed fix of course is where the government rubber meets the road.

My point is how can we fix it if we look at the wrong places for blame?

Exactly, we need to pay attention to how Dodd-Frank is implemented. It seems to be a good framework, but the greedy will fight every new implementation tooth and nail. Sometimes they will be right.

One thing is for sure, they were way wrong the last 30 years. Government regulation did not hurt the industry --only those who wanted to rape the world for their own gain.

80 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:46:58am

re: #78 ReamWorks SKG

Fact Check!


Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner.

(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.

But I'm still voting for him!

Busted crusted!

81 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:47:33am

re: #76 Expand Your Ground

Yunno, if a lot of conservatives were not so ideologically blindered, they would be able to see Obama as a finne example of the American Dream in action and be proud at least of that aspect of his presidency: namely that someone from a non-priveleged background, through hard work and personal drive, can achieve the highest office in the land regardless of race.

But they would have to choke back enormous amounts of bigotry to even allow such thoughts to reach the speech centers of their brains.

This.

82 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:47:34am

re: #21 blueraven

Heh...Sarah Palin told fox business Neil Cavuto that John Kerry diminished himself by even mentioning her in his speech.

clueless

(video at link)
[Link: www.salon.com...]

It is the first thing Sarah has said that I agree with.

83 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:48:02am

re: #78 ReamWorks SKG

Fact Check!

Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner. In fact, I'm taxed on my property, and they can take my house away from me if I can't afford these taxes.

(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.

But I'm still voting for him!

are you not allowed to deduct interest costs for financing your mortgage?

84 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:00am

re: #83 Expand Your Ground

Sure, but that's not owning a home! That's my point. He's being slippery. True homeowners--those with no liens or mortgages--don't get any 'deductions'

85 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:11am

Here is a new (at least I can't remember it--if I knew it) financial term created just to confuse us even more. LOL

What is Quantitative Easing?
Quantitative Easing is the concept of the Fed becoming a buyer of Treasuries and Bonds to try and stimulate the economy. Oftentimes, the Fed does Quantitative Easing when they are hoping to achieve the following things:

-To create inflation and avoid a deflationary economy
-To lower the unemployment rate
-To boost Stock prices

Keep in mind that one of the consequences of Quantitative Easing is that the US Dollar will weaken. This makes US exports more affordable abroad, as well as makes imports appear relatively more expensive. This will help large multi-national companies–which have a large influence on the economy and the major Stock market indices–thus stimulating our economy and hopefully our Labor Market, which continues to struggle.

86 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:26am

re: #78 ReamWorks SKG

Fact Check!

Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner.

(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.

But I'm still voting for him!

You get deductions for local real estate taxes you pay on your property, right? Assuming you itemize.

87 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:49:54am

re: #86 blueraven

No! Because of AMT, I get bupkis.

88 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:50:00am

Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:

89 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:50:25am

re: #83 Expand Your Ground

are you not allowed to deduct interest costs for financing your mortgage?

Those that own out-right have no tax benefit.

90 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:03am

re: #87 ReamWorks SKG

No! Because of AMT, I get bupkis.

Ah...yes, that AMT needs to be changed.

91 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:35am

re: #88 Interesting Times

Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:

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All that money and still not one red cent dedicated to buying a clue.

92 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:38am

re: #78 ReamWorks SKG

Fact Check!

Really? There are deductions for owning a home? I don't get any deductions and I'm a homeowner. In fact, I'm taxed on my property, and they can take my house away from me if I can't afford these taxes.

(here are deductions for financing a home, but that's not owning.

But I'm still voting for him!

Property taxes are deductible.

93 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:38am

re: #84 ReamWorks SKG

Sure, but that's not owning a home! That's my point. He's being slippery. True homeowners--those with no liens or mortgages--don't get any 'deductions'

Boy, that I might someday join the ranks of you true and legitimate homeowners.

I get what you're saying, but I haven't seen such condescending phrasing in quite some time.

94 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:51:43am

I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.

95 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:52:46am

re: #78 ReamWorks SKG

It's a mortgage interest deduction. That's not exactly a homeowner deduction - if you don't have a mortgage you don't get the benefit of the deduction. So, if you had a 30 year mortgage, you had the benefit of the mortgage interest deduction for that period when you were paying the mortgage, but if you paid it off before the current tax year, you would no longer benefit from that deduction.

There's also a deduction for real estate taxes paid, which can be considerable for those in high property tax states (NY/NJ to name but two).

96 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:09am

It is nice to see Bill and Barak playing nice together again! There was an interesting article about their relationship in this week's New Yorker.

97 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:21am

re: #94 ReamWorks SKG

I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.

If we didn't have that deduction it would depress home sales. We sure dont need that.
It would really hurt me and my family.

98 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:22am

re: #87 ReamWorks SKG

No! Because of AMT, I get bupkis.

Ah. So he's right, but because you fall into an exception you want to call him wrong.

99 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:28am

re: #94 ReamWorks SKG

I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.

We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)

100 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:53:28am

re: #88 Interesting Times

Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:

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Is there video of him saying that? If there's video of him directly being asked about not mentioning the troops and that's his answer on camera, that's a devastating attack ad from Team Obama.

101 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:54:27am

re: #98 kirkspencer

No, because he was specifically referring to the Mortgage Interest deduction, which some republicans want to eliminate.

102 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:54:41am

re: #88 Interesting Times

Sorry Willard Mitt, but all the Kochs' billions and Adelson's bucks won't stop you from being a soulless fuck:

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Sheesh. If he said that, he's an even bigger idiot than I thought. It's not very hard to just say thank you or add a personal anecdote.

103 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:55:14am

re: #97 blueraven

We just disagree here. I support affordable housing. So anything that stops propping up house prices is a Good Thing.

104 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:55:20am

re: #99 Interesting Times

We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)

But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?

105 ReamWorks SKG  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:55:57am

Anyway, it's 9:00am and I have to start working! SOMEONE has to earn money to pay taxes! :-)

See you all Sunday.

106 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:56:33am

re: #94 ReamWorks SKG

I'm a Democrat, and I'm opposed to the home mortgage deduction. It's unfair, very expensive, and if we didn't have it house prices would simply drop to compensate.

I don't mind the deduction. What I can't stand is individuals who don't get that they pay far more in interest than they will ever pay in taxes. They often use this as an excuse to use their money for other things and not pay down their mortgage.

It's part of the whole "home ownership is the American Dream" scam.

107 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:56:41am

re: #103 ReamWorks SKG

We just disagree here. I support affordable housing. So anything that stops propping up house prices is a Good Thing.

This is an interesting argument in the abstract, or as a phased-in change over several administrations, but right now all it would do is fuck over millions of families who made their own personal policy based on longstanding tax policy (something I generally consider to be a hallmark of good personal finance).

108 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:56:48am

re: #93 erik_t

Boy, that I might someday join the ranks of you true and legitimate homeowners.

I get what you're saying, but I haven't seen such condescending phrasing in quite some time.

re: #99 Interesting Times

We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)

You are absolutely correct, that we don't have it in Canada, I have long thought we should have. It need not necessarily have played a part in mortgage meltdown if mortgages in the US were properly underwritten with reasonable down payments. There is nothing wrong with incentives to home ownership by writing off mortgage payments. It is if done properly a good way to increase savings and build equity for people.

109 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:57:18am
110 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:57:39am

re: #104 blueraven

But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come form?

TX has no state income tax, right? I don't have time to look things up right now (need to leave in a few min), but in Canada, income tax rates are higher and there are transfer payments from the Feds to the Prov. governments, who in turn give some of that to municipalities (we're socialist wealth redistributors, dontcha know ;) )

111 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:57:40am

re: #104 blueraven

But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?

The renters are renting from someone. And that company or person IS paying the property taxes.

112 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:58:15am

re: #104 blueraven

But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?

The landlord pays taxes on his property and then figures it into the rent cost. He get's the deduction. He is also paying the interest and taking the lions share of the responsibility for the property.

I have a friend that owned an apartment building for a while. I'll not be in a hurry to do the same. The end profits were nice tho.

113 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:25am

re: #110 Interesting Times

TX has no state income tax, right? I don't have time to look things up right now (need to leave in a few min), but in Canada, income tax rates are higher and there are transfer payments from the Feds to the Prov. governments, who in turn give some of that not enough of it to municipalities (we're socialist wealth redistributors, dontcha know ;) )

Fixed.

114 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:32am

re: #103 ReamWorks SKG

It's a double edged sword. Many homeowners are underwater on their mortgages, so any further drop in prices would make it impossible to refinance or sell without a short-sale (a time consuming process that would mean the seller's got to get the bank to agree to a loss).

HAMP, a govt program, can help some homeowners who are underwater refinance, but their LTV can't exceed 120%. Some parts of the country have seen prices drop more than half, meaning that some can't participate in the plan because there's no way to get a loan.

Phasing out the mortgage interest deduction over time might make sense, but to do it in one shot would crush whatever support for existing values has been reestablished following the market crash.

115 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:42am

Canada closes embassy in Iran, to expel Iranian diplomats

(Reuters) - Canada has closed its embassy in Iran and will expel all remaining Iranian diplomats in Canada within five days, Foreign Minister John Baird said on Friday, denouncing Tehran as the biggest threat to global security.

116 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 8:59:58am

re: #15 Big Steve

Food stamp president.
No work for welfare.
Citizen dependency.
"Joke" about Obama's birthplace.

Have you listened to what Romney has said lately? As recently as a couple of days ago?

No, not everyone cares about the black guy in the white house...but many, many do.

117 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:00:08am

re: #111 Petero1818

The renters are renting from someone. And that company or person IS paying the property taxes.

Yes, but that does not add up...there are limits and exemptions.
Also as far as federal income tax those would be subject to depreciation and a lot of maintenance "loop holes" if you want to call them that.

118 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:00:44am

re: #46 Gus

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Damn...I missed that...I loves me some Del.

119 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:00:45am

re: #117 blueraven

Yes, but that does not add up...there are limits and exemptions.
Also as far as federal income tax those would be subject to depreciation and a lot of maintenance "loop holes" if you want to call them that.

There are no limits and exemptions on Property tax.

120 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:01:46am

re: #115 Gus

Canada closes embassy in Iran, to expel Iranian diplomats

(Reuters) - Canada has closed its embassy in Iran and will expel all remaining Iranian diplomats in Canada within five days, Foreign Minister John Baird said on Friday, denouncing Tehran as the biggest threat to global security.

It's something to keep an eye on. If enough Western nations pull their embassy staff it might mean something's up.

121 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:01:59am

Right now, it's a buyers market for homes. Take advantage if you can.

122 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:02:10am

re: #119 Petero1818

There are no limits and exemptions on Property tax.

Sure there are. Over 65 exemption
homestead exemption
There are others, but I cant name them all right at the moment

123 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:03:01am

Modowiess: Hamas sends letter praising Occupy DNC protesters
Open letter from Ismail Hanneya to Occupy Charlotte protesting the DNC: ‘We salute you’

124 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:03:12am

re: #118 darthstar

Damn...I missed that...I loves me some Del.

Was pretty cool. As always.

125 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:03:18am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

What about what Romney has said at any point drives you to like him? His constant lies (proven lies, I might add)? What did Romney say last week that gives you any indication on how he might govern? Not just last week but ever? What position has he taken that has not changed? How do you know what he believes?

Romney embarrassed himself and US overseas. He said Russia is our biggest threat. What did Obama say that wasn't true?

I don't get you. Why does party allegiance override thought and reason?

126 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:05am

re: #84 ReamWorks SKG

Sure, but that's not owning a home! That's my point. He's being slippery. True homeowners--those with no liens or mortgages--don't get any 'deductions'

A rather nitpicking one, but a point. And the fact is, most "homeowners" spend most of their adult lives paying off a mortgage.

127 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:22am

re: #25 Decatur Deb

Wall Street Journal is a notorious left-wing disinformation rag.

And The Economist took down Romney a couple of times. Another left-wing rag, those Marxist, communists at the Economist.

128 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:41am

One thing I think we have backwards is the college loan debacle. There should be tax deductions for tuition, not loans and interest for decades.

129 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:49am

re: #104 blueraven

But our property taxes pay for education and other local needs.
If everyone is renting, where will that money come from?

Somebody still owns the property, I should hope...

130 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:05:59am

re: #122 blueraven

Sure there are. Over 65 exemption
homestead exemption
There are others, but I cant name them all right at the moment

No such exemption exists in Ontario, and I don't believe in the rest of Canada either.

131 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:06:08am

re: #127 Joanne (JustJay)

And The Economist took down Romney a couple of times. Another left-wing rag, those Marxist, communists at the Economist.

Bunch of Europeans, (Mitt Romney).

132 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:06:25am

re: #116 Joanne (JustJay)

Food stamp president.
No work for welfare.
Citizen dependency.
"Joke" about Obama's birthplace.

Have you listened to what Romney has said lately? As recently as a couple of days ago?

No, not everyone cares about the black guy in the white house...but many, many do.

My wife and I were driving through a very conservative neigborhood recently as we were car shopping...people who still had remnants of W04 and McCain stickers on their cars, and twice I complained about shitty drivers cutting me off or falling asleep at a light that turned green, and my wife simply turned to me and said, "Relax, there are just a lot of low information voters around here."

I love that phrase. "low information voters" - speaks to Mitt's base without calling them out for some of the blatant bigotry he uses to woo them (which, I think, isn't as effective as he thinks it will be - America isn't as racist as the GOP hopes, and that will be evident in the election).

133 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:06:52am

re: #131 HappyWarrior

Bunch of Europeans, (Mitt Romney).

hmmm, Murdock owns the WSJ --no?

134 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:07:24am

re: #116 Joanne (JustJay)

Food stamp president.
No work for welfare.
Citizen dependency.
"Joke" about Obama's birthplace.

Have you listened to what Romney has said lately? As recently as a couple of days ago?

No, not everyone cares about the black guy in the white house...but many, many do.

What else can he mention? Romneycare? Bain Capital? Ryan Budget? His own personal charm and charisma? All he has to play on is bash the black guy in the White House.

135 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:07:38am

re: #133 ggt

hmmm, Murdock owns the WSJ --no?

The Economist is British.

136 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:08:17am

re: #132 darthstar

My wife and I were driving through a very conservative neigborhood recently as we were car shopping...people who still had remnants of W04 and McCain stickers on their cars, and twice I complained about shitty drivers cutting me off or falling asleep at a light that turned green, and my wife simply turned to me and said, "Relax, there are just a lot of low information voters around here."

I love that phrase. "low information voters" - speaks to Mitt's base without calling them out for some of the blatant bigotry he uses to woo them (which, I think, isn't as effective as he thinks it will be - America isn't as racist as the GOP hopes, and that will be evident in the election).

Conservatives WILL NOT recognize that they are promoting bigotry. They just will not even try to bend their minds to the possibility--not even the visuals of the participants in the conventions seems to spark the light bulb that should be their brains.

137 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:08:42am

re: #135 HappyWarrior

The Economist is British.

Murdoch --austrailian-or just everything?

138 Gretchen G.Tiger  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:09:41am

I have to be productive.

Have a great one all!

139 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:09:58am

re: #122 blueraven

re: #122 blueraven

Sure there are. Over 65 exemption
homestead exemption
There are others, but I cant name them all right at the moment

To be clear, of course there are certain lands that are exempt from property taxes, crown lands, native lands public use.... but there are no property tax exemptions for person or company which owns private property in Canada for a residential or commercial use as far as I know of.

140 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:10:16am

re: #130 Petero1818

No such exemption exists in Ontario, and I don't believe in the rest of Canada either.

Well there are here and they are exploited.

141 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:11:54am

The debates are going to be interesting. Romney's not going to be able to his primary strategy of "Let Newt or Santorum or Bachmann say something stupid and then say something less stupid" because he's dealing with a guy who knows what point he wants to make. Of course, we'll hear stupid teleprompter jokes if Obama does well or poorly either way.

142 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:12:15am

re: #101 ReamWorks SKG

No, because he was specifically referring to the Mortgage Interest deduction, which some republicans want to eliminate.

Most people raising families and buying homes don't have those homes paid off. I don't see how what he said wasn't true.

On a side note, I was one of the few who bought a home in 2007 and am probably one of the only people in my city (Las Vegas) not underwater on my mortgage due to family helping out with our down payment. I paid more on my down payment than my house is now worth, yet you don't hear me bitching and moaning about any kind of help going to underwater homeowners because I just want the prices to go back up and that's not going to happen with people still losing their homes to foreclosure. Life ain't fair sometimes, but I deal with it.

143 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:20:03am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

BTW, every since you said this, I find it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.

Cannot Concur. I have zero faith in the government to undertake major non-security issues. I'd rather take my chances with the private sector, which at least is more efficient and self interested. If it ends up that I cannot obtain care I need to survive because the money for cannot be found, then I'm OK with dying, because I'd rather be dead than under the government's thumb.

It's strong words until you need care and have no ability to obtain it. You think insurance companies are more efficient? Self-interested, to be sure. But efficient? Their only efficiency is to deny people to make a profit - which means people die to make money.

I have a very hard time reading anything you write without thinking of the above quote. Your words are a caricature. Brave...until you're in the position to actually die.

144 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:21:18am

re: #143 Joanne (JustJay)

BTW, every since you said this, I find it very difficult to take anything you say seriously.

Not really any worse than defending the idea of preemptive nuclear strikes against Iran.

Yes, we had that conversation too.

145 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:21:46am

re: #141 HappyWarrior

I'm waiting for Mitt to get flustered or offended by something and to bet Barack Obama $10k to settle the question.

146 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:21:58am

re: #140 blueraven

Well there are here and they are exploited.

Here are the property tax exemptions in my state. I don't have a problem with any of those and I don't see how they can be exploited.

147 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:22:58am

re: #129 Expand Your Ground

Somebody still owns the property, I should hope...

As I mentioned earlier, there are exemptions
homestead
over 65
religious and charitable organizations
veterans

Just like any loop hole, these are exploited

Also the renter is not keenly aware of what property taxes are, what they pay for and very rarely vote on school bonds etc...

148 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:25:00am

re: #7 Mocking Jay

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Wow. Greatest ever.

Well, so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt.

149 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:25:22am

re: #145 Lidane

I'm waiting for Mitt to get flustered or offended by something and to bet Barack Obama $10k to settle the question.

Friend of mine posted some clips of the debate he had with Kennedy in 1994. When really pressed, Mitt folded and got frustrated. Really, Obama is probably the toughest person he's had to debate since that election. I think he's in for a nasty surprise.

150 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:26:01am

re: #148 OhNoZombies!

Well, so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt.

It's kind of sad. Oh well. I still like him and his movies but damn the biggest hoax ever on the American people? Come on Clint, you're not stupid.

151 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:26:49am

Barack Obama tells Democrats their hopes were justified

Funny cartoon there.

152 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:26:52am
153 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:28:01am

re: #152 Lidane

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Looks like Mitt has been taking Sarah Palin gibberish lessons.

154 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:28:35am

How California checked vehicle emissions in 1951.

That car does not look like a 1950 model. Looks mid '30's.

155 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:28:36am

re: #151 Gus

Honey Boo Boo's parents?!/

156 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:09am

re: #152 Lidane

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Straight talk? Is that what offending the British Prime Minister is called these days? I think some of the areas Obama nailed Romney the most were in foreign policy though.

157 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:19am

re: #148 OhNoZombies!

Well, so much for giving him the benefit of the doubt.

Well it was accomplished in the same way as the mission was accomplished last time we heard those words......Image: aa-Bush-Mission-Accomplished.jpg

158 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:32am

re: #154 Learned Mother of Zion

How California checked vehicle emissions in 1951.

That car does not look like a 1950 model. Looks mid '30's.

They used to build them to last back in those days...

159 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:29:52am

re: #99 Interesting Times

We don't have it in Canada, and it may have played a part in us avoiding a US-style mortgage meltdown (i.e. no financial incentive to take out mortgage vs. renting a place)

I think the biggest benefit of Canadian style mortgage financing is that people have an incentive to pay off their mortgages instead of using equity like an ATM machine, which was a huge problem in the meltdown. It was so easy to get credit against equity, that put a lot of people underwater immediately when prices fell.

160 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:30:29am

re: #158 Expand Your Ground

They used to build them to last back in those days...

I still see plenty of 1990's vehicles.

161 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:30:30am

re: #157 Petero1818

Well it was accomplished in the same way as the mission was accomplished last time we heard those words......Image: aa-Bush-Mission-Accomplished.jpg

General Santa Ana marches into the smouldering ruins of the Alamo, behind him on the parapets a banner reads "Mission Accomplished!"

162 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:30:32am

re: #158 Expand Your Ground

with an air bag even!
/
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163 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:11am

re: #158 Expand Your Ground

They used to build [cars] to last back in those days...

Allow me to retort.

The modern car is, frankly, absurdly reliable and long-lasting compared to anything older. It's a miracle of modern engineering.

164 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:33am

Excuses are only excuses when they're used to deflect responsibility for failing to accomplish reasonable results in a reasonable time from valid reasons to invalid ones. If expectations are unreasonable then mentioning the reasons those expectations are unreasonable is not an excuse.

D_F, exactly what do you think should have been done by Obama to fill the massive hole the last administration left despite that administration's buddies still furiously digging and much of the equipment needed to fill the hole being used by the rest of the world's countries to fill their own pits? Pits I might add that are there at least in part because of the bomb bank deregulation set off in the US.

165 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:34am

BTW. I'm reading about Romney and the "troops" thing on Twitter. I have yet to see an actual quote and/or audio. As much as I support Obama, I do believe Romney's being misquoted.

166 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:31:57am

re: #154 Learned Mother of Zion

How California checked vehicle emissions in 1951.

That car does not look like a 1950 model. Looks mid '30's.

Oh. My. God.

I realize they didn't know any better back then, but it's amazing we haven't wiped ourselves off the planet by now.

On the bright side, the inspector's two packs of Chesterfields a day probably got him before the exhaust did.

167 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:32:22am

re: #160 Learned Mother of Zion

I still see plenty of 1990's vehicles.

'98 Honda Civic here, still going strong.

168 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:32:35am

re: #166 Mattand

Oh. My. God.

I realize they didn't know any better back then, but it's amazing we haven't wiped ourselves off the planet by now.

On the bright side, the inspector's two packs of Chesterfields a day probably got him before the exhaust did.

A whole lot of that is water vapor, I suspect. But maybe that's just my brain rocking in the corner and quivering.

169 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:32:47am

re: #126 Expand Your Ground

A rather nitpicking one, but a point. And the fact is, most "homeowners" spend most of their adult lives paying off a mortgage.

Those homeowners are doing their best to make sure the Banks make their profits.

170 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:33:02am

re: #128 ggt

One thing I think we have backwards is the college loan debacle. There should be tax deductions for tuition, not loans and interest for decades.

THIS! Sorry, I had to repeat. An upding wasn't sufficient.

171 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:33:36am

re: #165 Gus

BTW. I'm reading about Romney and the "troops" thing on Twitter. I have yet to see and actual quote and/or audio. As much as I support Obama, I do believe Romney's being misquoted.

What do they claim he said?

172 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:33:58am

re: #152 Lidane

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Romney sounds like Eastwood...clueless as to how he's perceived.

173 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:34:27am

Rabble rabble. You damned whipper-snappers have no idea how much work was involved in keeping an older vehicle in working order, and how much slop and daily pain-in-the-ass was accepted in the older definition of 'working order'.

Remember flooding engines? Remember a quarter-circle of play in the steering? Remember brake fade? Remember cars that broke down? Remember tune-ups every few thousand miles? Remember points!?

GAAAAAAAAH.

174 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:34:38am

re: #165 Gus

BTW. I'm reading about Romney and the "troops" thing on Twitter. I have yet to see an actual quote and/or audio. As much as I support Obama, I do believe Romney's being misquoted.

what troops thing?

175 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:35:29am

re: #144 erik_t

Not really any worse than defending the idea of preemptive nuclear strikes against Iran.

Yes, we had that conversation too.

That is too terrifying to concieve. That John "Bomb Everyone" Bolton is being bantered about as Romney's SecStat? (SHUDDER)

176 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:36:06am
177 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:36:29am

re: #175 Joanne (JustJay)

That is too terrifying to concieve. That John "Bomb Everyone" Bolton is being bantered about as Romney's SecStat? (SHUDDER)

They're seriously talking about making Bolton his SoS?!?! Good lord. Then again I look at his judicial adviser. A man quite a few Republicans thought was too nuts for the USSC.

178 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:01am

re: #173 erik_t

points suck.
drum brakes suck
reflectors? we don't need no stinking reflectors.
non-radial tires suck
ford sux

oops

179 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:06am

re: #169 b_sharp

Those homeowners are doing their best to make sure the Banks make their profits.

And if they fail, then the federal government steps in...not to save the homeowwnder's mortgage but to ensure that the banks continue to make their profits

180 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:12am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

What do they claim he said?

Started with this:

Which morphed into this.

181 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:40am

re: #176 darthstar

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God it must be nice to be Mitt and live in fantasy world. Yeah, Mitt you proposed to save the auto industry. That's why you wrote in large letters in the New York Times, Let Detroit Fail. Sheesh does this guy really think people are so stupid that they can't research and find out what he actually said?

182 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:37:53am

re: #180 Gus

Started with this:

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Which morphed into this.

Which could have come from this quote [sic]:

"you talk about the things that you think are important"

183 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:38:02am

re: #173 erik_t

Rabble rabble. You damned whipper-snappers have no idea how much work was involved in keeping an older vehicle in working order, and how much slop and daily pain-in-the-ass was accepted in the older definition of 'working order'.

Remember flooding engines? Remember a quarter-circle of play in the steering? Remember brake fade? Remember cars that broke down? Remember tune-ups every few thousand miles? Remember points!?

GAAAAAAAAH.

Remember the oil change every 3 months/3,000 miles? Did you know oil change places are still pushing that meme? I took my 2011 Ford Escape to the dealership after 3,000 miles to get my first free oil change and they laughed!

But when I took it to the oil change place for the second oil change (after 1 year) they scolded me for waiting so long.

184 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:38:14am

re: #171 Killgore Trout

What do they claim he said?

IOW. I haven't seen it confirmed and verified.

185 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:38:21am

re: #178 Tommy's cone of shame

points suck.
drum brakes suck
reflectors? we don't need no stinking reflectors.
non-radial tires suck
ford sux

oops

I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.

Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...

On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.

186 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:39:41am

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

Remember the oil change every 3 months/3,000 miles? Did you know oil change places are still pushing that meme? I took my 2011 Ford Escape to the dealership after 3,000 miles to get my first free oil change and they laughed!

But when I took it to the oil change place for the second oil change (after 1 year) they scolded me for waiting so long.

I still change at 4500 or so. They recycle the stuff, so the environmental impact is not high. The cost is trivial. And it's sure not doing the engine any harm.

It also encourages you to check all that other crap under the hood while you're busy, now that we don't have breakdown-prompted checking all of the time.

187 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:39:50am

re: #185 erik_t

I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.

Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...

On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.

While it was parked in your garage while you were fixing with a set of tools you got at Sears for a total of less than $100

188 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:39:51am
189 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:40:34am

re: #180 Gus

Started with this:

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Which morphed into this.

Yet another self-inflicted wound for Romney. And yes, I will pile on.

190 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:40:38am

re: #185 erik_t

I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.

Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...

On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.

Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.

191 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:41:07am

re: #188 Gus

Why we have to stop using Nazi references in our discourse. tabletmag.com/jewish-news-an…

They can be allowed for anyone who has actually practiced mass genocide on an industrial scale, conquered and occupied countries and led to the destruction and partition of his home country...

192 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:41:32am

re: #190 Mattand

Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.

I hope you budgeted for another few arm joints, because you'll need 'em!

But overall it's been a dramatically positive change and I bristle when I hear otherwise.

193 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:41:47am

re: #185 erik_t
I was a proud owner of a Ford 200 l-6 and 300 l-6, I could find the oil filter easy enough. Front end needed new parts yearly.
Now?
Can't get straight six or standard transmission, but I love new tech!!!

194 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:43:07am

re: #182 Gus

Which could have come from this quote [sic]:

"you talk about the things that you think are important"

And he didn't talk about the troops, therefore, one can only assume he didn't think they were important enough to recognize in his speech - even though we've been at war for 11 years and nobody in politics even dares to take a shit without recognizing the troops.

TOTAL War mentions during three days of the RNC: 14
During the DNC: 118 - nearly every speaker acknowledged the troops. THAT is how you show them that you appreciate their sacrifice.

195 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:43:45am

re: #177 HappyWarrior

They're seriously talking about making Bolton his SoS?!?! Good lord. Then again I look at his judicial adviser. A man quite a few Republicans thought was too nuts for the USSC.

I've read that he was in the running - but that could have been wishful thinking by conservative yapping heads. They were talking up his stint as our UN Ambassador (which, in itself is funny, considering his stance on the UN) and what a great SecState he'd be.

The man is clearly not right.

But, honestly, people love Jeb Bush and he is just as big a neo-con as Bolton or Cheney or Kristol (all members of Kristol's PNAC).

196 Mattand  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:44:14am

re: #194 darthstar

And he didn't talk about the troops, therefore, one can only assume he didn't think they were important enough to recognize in his speech - even though we've been at war for 11 years and nobody in politics even dares to take a shit without recognizing the troops.

TOTAL War mentions during three days of the RNC: 14
During the DNC: 118 - nearly every speaker acknowledged the troops. THAT is how you show them that you appreciate their sacrifice.

Sorry if this has been covered, but do we have a source for the "talk about important stuff" quote?

197 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:44:44am

re: #180 Gus

Started with this:

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Which morphed into this.

Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.

198 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:44:55am

re: #185 erik_t

I dearly loved the old ORD F100 (the F fell off of the hood rather promptly), but I don't miss it.

Three-on-the-tree, a foot of clutch travel with a whole 3/4" of it effective...

On the other hand, you could stand in the engine compartment while working on the 300.

My neighbor had a '67 F100 with three on the tree...I wanted to buy it so bad (it was only $600 and ran great), but we were in the process of moving and didn't want to have to deal with moving the extra vehicle...I really regret that decision.

199 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:45:24am

re: #190 Mattand

Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.

My dad wouldn't let me learn how to drive until I knew how to change the oil and change the tires.

200 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:46:43am

re: #192 erik_t

You are absolutely correct, cars have come a long way for the better. I might bitch, but I forget 100k miles used to be all you could get out of a car. Now? I go 10,000 miles between oil changes and I don't have to climb under my VW. (I suck out the oil, keep your dirty minded comments to yourself;))

201 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:47:20am

re: #196 Mattand

Sorry if this has been covered, but do we have a source for the "talk about important stuff" quote?

Apparently he said it on a Fox radio interview. I suspect the audio will be widely available soon if those are, in fact, his exact words.

202 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:47:22am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.

Here is the full quote

"When you give a speech you talk about the things you think are important and I described in my speech and my commitment to a strong military, unlike the president's decision to cut our military," Romney said. "And I didn't use the word troops. I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing."

[Link: thehill.com...]

military spending/troops...same thing

203 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:48:23am

re: #200 Tommy's cone of shame

Now? I go 10,000 miles between oil changes and I don't have to climb under my VW. (I suck out the oil, keep your dirty minded comments to yourself;))

Bug sucker.

204 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:48:50am

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.

Yep. Must remain calm and not get sucked into that nonsense. There are plenty of things to hit Romney on namely on women's health, tax cuts for the wealthy, environment, regulation, etc.

205 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:48:54am

re: #190 Mattand

Not quite the same, but my first car was a '78 Chevette. I could remove the oil filter by opening the hood and literally reaching down in to the engine. Now, I have no idea where the oil filter is.

It's at the oil change service place. They have racks of empty boxes labelled as filters.

206 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:00am

re: #70 Gus

Let me see if I have this right. The DOW breaks the close from 2007. S&P are up as is NASDAQ. Unemployment went from 8.3% to 8.1% and continues on a downward trend. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.

I'm currently working on a large scale residential project and have a luxury residence to work on. These are all "team" projects.

This is bad economic news?

Your personal circumstances and the markets aside, when the unemployment rate falls because of dispirited people leaving the workforce that is not a good thing.

Not sure where you got the consumer confidence at an all time high either?
Consumer Confidence tumbles.

I am not blaming anyone but when you need 150000 jobs a month to keep up with a growing workforce and you get fewer than 100000 that's not good.

207 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:03am

Seriously. Getting stuck on some semantic argument about what Romney said in his speech WRT to troops and/or military is a waste of time.

208 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:27am

Anyone get into discussions on Linkdin? I'm in a long thick one over there about a new metal Tiffany sells in jewelry. But anyway we are so spoiled here! They have a like button, but navigating the comments is a pain. Replies are hard to pull out. Geez we got it good here.

209 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:33am

re: #198 darthstar

My neighbor had a '67 F100 with three on the tree...I wanted to buy it so bad (it was only $600 and ran great), but we were in the process of moving and didn't want to have to deal with moving the extra vehicle...I really regret that decision.

I had an Austin with a reverse 4 on the tree. I was so confused.

210 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:50:51am

Okay, no real big deal. And I agree, hit Romney on the issues. Because those are what matters in the grand scheme of things.

211 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:51:01am

re: #208 Daniel Ballard

Anyone get into discussions on Linkdin? I'm in a long thick one over there about a new metal Tiffany sells in jewelry. But anyway we are so spoiled here! They have a like button, but navigating the comments is a pain. Replies are hard to pull out. Geez we got it good here.

I noticed that a long time ago.

212 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:11am

re: #206 danarchy

Your personal circumstances and the markets aside, when the unemployment rate falls because of dispirited people leaving the workforce that is not a good thing.

Not sure where you got the consumer confidence at an all time high either?
Consumer Confidence tumbles.

I am not blaming anyone but when you need 150000 jobs a month to keep up with a growing workforce and you get fewer than 100000 that's not good.

Ah. I must have mis-read. It's still stagnant.

213 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:31am

re: #208 Daniel Ballard

OMG don't get me started on Tiffanys
/

214 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:47am

re: #202 blueraven

Here is the full quote

[Link: thehill.com...]

military spending/troops...same thing

Context, how does it work?

215 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:52:48am

re: #202 blueraven

Here is the full quote

[Link: thehill.com...]

military/troops...same thing

"I want to spend more on the military" is not the same as "I appreciate the sacrifice of the troops" One is personal, the other is organizational. Romney speaks of the military as an entity, like a corporation. And we know he believes that "corporations are people, my friends", so I suppose in his twisted mind he was talking about the troops. But one thing he doesn't understand is that his audience doesn't process data the way he does.

I think Mitt Romney has a bug and his developers are at a loss as how to fix it without him rebooting and starting back at 1994 when he was a liberal.

216 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:53:52am

re: #194 darthstar

TOTAL War mentions during three days of the RNC: 14
During the DNC: 118 - nearly every speaker acknowledged the troops. THAT is how you show them that you appreciate their sacrifice.

Of course if those numbers were reversed the moonbats would be crying about GOP warmongers. But the reason is simple; Dem president. If there was a Republican President the DNC wouldn't be praising the military successes over the past 4 years and parading troops on stage, etc. They certainly didn;t do it in the Bush years and when the next Republican comes to office they'll go back to criticizing the use of military force and will offer more muted praise for the military.
Dems would have flipped their shit if a republican gave Kerry's speech (praising Israel, threatening Iran) at RNC with a Republican president in office. Hell, if he posted it here he'd be hounded as a wingnut troll.
It really does suck that the military and troops become a partisan issue depending on who's in the White House. I think it's shitty but that's just the way it is.

217 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54:15am

I'm rubber!

You're glue!

218 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54:17am

re: #207 Gus

Seriously. Getting stuck on some semantic argument about what Romney said in his speech WRT to troops and/or military is a waste of time.

Well let's face facts. The republicans for the most part (other than increased military spending) ignored Afghanistan and any mention of our troops. They left a wide gaping open hole which the Democrats jumped all over.

The Republicans fucked up.
If the Democrats had gone first and it was reversed, republicans would do the same.

219 Shropshire_Slasher  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:54:23am

re: #215 darthstar

Your last paragraph is EFFING BRILLIANT@!

220 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:55:39am

re: #202 blueraven

"When you give a speech you talk about the things you think are important and I described in my speech and my commitment to a strong military, unlike the president's decision to cut our military," Romney said. "And I didn't use the word troops. I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing."

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Today's outrageous outrage isn't so outrageous, as usual.

221 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:57:17am

re: #215 darthstar

"I want to spend more on the military" is not the same as "I appreciate the sacrifice of the troops" One is personal, the other is organizational.

Increased defense spending is also an odd thing to combine with concern for reducing our deficit. We're spending more now than at the peak of the Cold War.
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222 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:57:18am

re: #208 Daniel Ballard

Anyone get into discussions on Linkdin? I'm in a long thick one over there about a new metal Tiffany sells in jewelry. But anyway we are so spoiled here! They have a like button, but navigating the comments is a pain. Replies are hard to pull out. Geez we got it good here.

I bought my wife Tiffany earrings for Xmas last year, but this is my favorite piece of Tiffany jewelry she has...and I didn't have to pay for it. I'm hoping she gets another one this year.

Image: 380959_10150379616838024_339881435_n.jpg

223 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:57:44am

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Today's outrageous outrage isn't so outrageous, as usual.

It was a self inflicted wound. He did not mention the troops. He did not thank them. He did not mention the war in Afghanistan.

All he is talking about here is military spending.

224 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:58:48am

re: #222 darthstar

I bought my wife Tiffany earrings for Xmas last year, but this is my favorite piece of Tiffany jewelry she has...and I didn't have to pay for it. I'm hoping she gets another one this year.

Image: 380959_10150379616838024_339881435_n.jpg

How?

225 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:59:04am
226 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:59:17am

People like Romney want to spend more on weapons systems and cut benefits and aid to veterans and GI families. That is the difference between "the military" and "the troops".

And since advances in medical technology mean that more wounded vets are surviving, it is cosing us more. It is generally cheaper for the military to pay off the dead family with a lump life insurance sum thatn to maintain a disabled GI for the rest of his life.

227 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 9:59:23am

re: #218 blueraven

Well lace face facts. The republicans for the most part (other than increased military spending) ignored Afghanistan and any mention of our troops. They left a wide gaping open hole which the Democrats jumped all over.

The Republicans fucked up.
If the Democrats had gone first and it was reversed, republicans would do the same.

While Obama was introduced by Dick Durbin. [Cough]

The talking points should be positive and not negative. It should not be "Mitt Romney doesn't care about the troops" or something to that effect but instead "Barack Obama cares about our troops."

228 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:01:23am

re: #222 darthstar

Nice. Champion of? What was the event?

229 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:01:49am

re: #224 b_sharp

How?

SF Giants gave key people in their org rings. As she runs their high end food services (via subcontractor), she was included. Feed the team, get a ring.

230 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:01:58am

re: #227 Gus

While Obama was introduced by Dick Durbin. [Cough]

The talking points should be positive and not negative. It should not be "Mitt Romney doesn't care about the troops" or something to that effect but instead "Barack Obama cares about our troops."

But Obama never said any such thing.

Surely you are not blaming him for something DD said in 2005?

This is a twitter meme and has nothing to do with anything Obama said.

231 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:02:09am

re: #227 Gus

While Obama was introduced by Dick Durbin. [Cough]

The talking points should be positive and not negative. It should not be "Mitt Romney doesn't care about the troops" or something to that effect but instead "Barack Obama cares about our troops."

Our homeschool group rules (for the kids) are positive on purpose. We say "walk indoors," rather than "don't run."

This is because they can also somersault, skip, cartwheel, hop, roll, jump, and so on. Rather than just amend the rules to cover every last thing other than walk they can do, we just tell them to walk.

232 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:02:09am

re: #228 Daniel Ballard

Nice. Champion of? What was the event?

World Series 2010

233 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:02:50am

re: #230 blueraven

This is a twitter meme and has nothing to do with anything Obama said.

Please, talk about Twitter on Twitter, I want nothing to do with the stuff anymore.

234 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:03:08am

re: #230 blueraven

But Obama never said any such thing.

Surely you are not blaming him for something DD said in 2005?

This is a twitter meme and has nothing to do with anything Obama said.

No, I am not. I'm pointing out what other people might perceive.

235 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:03:42am

re: #231 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Our homeschool group rules (for the kids) are positive on purpose. We say "walk indoors," rather than "don't run."

This is because they can also somersault, skip, cartwheel, hop, roll, jump, and so on. Rather than just amend the rules to cover every last thing other than walk they can do, we just tell them to walk.

Yes. It's something akin to "positive reinforcement."

236 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:04:06am

re: #233 Expand Your Ground

Please, talk about Twitter on Twitter, I want nothing to do with the stuff anymore.

I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.

237 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:05:43am

re: #231 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Our homeschool group rules (for the kids) are positive on purpose. We say "walk indoors," rather than "don't run."

I learned that early on with my kids: "No TV until you finish your homework!" presents the wrong kind of challenge, try "As soon as you finish your homework, you can watch TV until bedtime."

238 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:06:27am

"Promoted by Paul Ryan"

That reminds me, I need to put some more freedom in my car...it's getting low.

239 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:06:43am

re: #236 blueraven

I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.

Daddy, Momma, I made a poopy.

A good number of us are on twitter.

240 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:07:20am

re: #207 Gus

Seriously. Getting stuck on some semantic argument about what Romney said in his speech WRT to troops and/or military is a waste of time.

Here is the full Romney interview from today. The section about the military starts at about the 6 minute mark.

241 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:07:23am

re: #236 blueraven

I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.

Me too, though I am on Twitter...but I figured in an election season it was worth diving in and playing.

242 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:08:01am

re: #241 darthstar

Me too, though I am on Twitter...but I figured in an election season it was worth diving in and playing.

Right after posting a Tweet.

243 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:08:19am

re: #238 darthstar

"Promoted by Paul Ryan"

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That reminds me, I need to put some more freedom in my car...it's getting low.

More weak sauce from the Romney campaign and reenforcing what POTUS said about how they think government is always the problem.

244 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:09:00am

re: #242 Gus

Right after posting a Tweet.

245 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:09:26am

re: #239 b_sharp

Daddy, Momma, I made a poopy.

A good number of us are on twitter.

Sorry, I just cant take most of it seriously.

Some use it judiciously, but it is often a back and forth of hate and one- upsmanship.

246 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:09:55am

re: #244 darthstar

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Mmmm hmmm.

247 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:00am

Face to face conversations used to utilize full length sentences. In 10 years all we'll hear will be sound bites of 140 characters or less.

248 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:01am

re: #242 Gus

Right after posting a Tweet.

It can be infantile...but so can everything on the internet. Just look at RedState.

249 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:14am

I had a Twitter account briefly. Talked some politics but mostly sports stuff. I'm too much of a rambler for less than 140 characters.

250 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:15am

re: #216 Killgore Trout

Of course if those numbers were reversed the moonbats would be crying about GOP warmongers. But the reason is simple; Dem president. If there was a Republican President the DNC wouldn't be praising the military successes over the past 4 years and parading troops on stage, etc. They certainly didn;t do it in the Bush years and when the next Republican comes to office they'll go back to criticizing the use of military force and will offer more muted praise for the military.
Dems would have flipped their shit if a republican gave Kerry's speech (praising Israel, threatening Iran) at RNC with a Republican president in office. Hell, if he posted it here he'd be hounded as a wingnut troll.
It really does suck that the military and troops become a partisan issue depending on who's in the White House. I think it's shitty but that's just the way it is.

Who are the people who are always yammering on about how Obama hates the military and hates the troops?

251 Aye Pod  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:51am

re: #24 Gus

I guess Clint wants to go out in a ball of flame by being a stupid wingnut much like John Wayne did. All his life he's kept a low profile even while being in politics. Now? He's just another dipshit wingnut who can go fuck himself.

Something happened to the old geezer. Cherche le butthurt.

252 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:53am

re: #245 blueraven

Sorry, I just cant take most of it seriously.

Some use it judiciously, but it is often a back and forth of hate and one- upsmanship.

Just like on forums/blogs/newsgroups/drunken parties. No?

253 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:10:59am

re: #247 b_sharp

Face to face conversations used to utilize full length sentences. In 10 years all we'll hear will be sound bites of 140 characters or less.

Heh, I entered a short short fiction contest for Esquire this summer where the entry had to be exactly 79 words. That was quite a challenge.

254 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:25am

re: #247 b_sharp

Face to face conversations used to utilize full length sentences. In 10 years all we'll hear will be sound bites of 140 characters or less.

Can I be honest?

4, u, ur, i, gr8, and all their ilk give me a rash.

255 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:31am

re: #238 darthstar

"Our economy runs on freedom, not government. It’s time we put our faith back in the American people"

And let Detroit fail. And let the banks fail. And let BP and Shell Oil determine environmental standards. The people, yes.

256 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:31am

re: #253 HappyWarrior

Heh, I entered a short short fiction contest for Esquire this summer where the entry had to be exactly 79 words. That was quite a challenge.

I always like those kinds of challenges.

257 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:11:39am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I had a Twitter account briefly. Talked some politics but mostly sports stuff. I'm too much of a rambler for less than 140 characters.

Youtube Video
258 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:12:09am

re: #248 darthstar

It can be infantile...but so can everything on the internet. Just look at RedState.

I think it's funny. I didn't get that Durbin thing from Twitter but instead it was a thought that crossed my mind last night. Frankly, I don't like Durbin and never will. Otherwise, Twitter has become an integral part of the internet and Little Green Footballs. Charles has been on there for several years and it is a useful tool in generating traffic to LGF.

259 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:12:13am

re: #256 darthstar

I always like those kinds of challenges.

Yeah here's my entry:
He stood at the ship’s rear. His whole life was contained in a bag. To say goodbye to home is never an easy proposition. His cigarette is lit and he lets out a cough. The seagulls squeak and the whales lament. The ship sets out and slowly the only land he’s ever known disappears from his eyes. The only thing ahead of his eyes is a vast ocean of blue. And then the sun goes down for the expat.

260 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:12:43am

re: #249 HappyWarrior

I had a Twitter account briefly. Talked some politics but mostly sports stuff. I'm too much of a rambler for less than 140 characters.

y u say dat? /

261 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:13:18am
262 AK-47%  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:13:23am

re: #243 HappyWarrior

More weak sauce from the Romney campaign and reenforcing what POTUS said about how they think government is always the problem.

I really wish i could have been aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when they were sent to japüan to offer tsunami relief, especially when the captain presented his credentials and said, "We're from the US government and we're here to help you!"

263 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:13:44am

re: #229 darthstar

VERY cool!!

264 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:14:00am

re: #262 Expand Your Ground

I really wish i could have been aboard the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan when they were sent to japüan to offer tsunami relief, especially when the captain presented his credentials and said, "We're from the US government and we're here to help you!"

Haha, yeah kind of shows the fallacy of that old Reagan quote.

265 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:14:13am

re: #258 Gus

I think it's funny. I didn't get that Durbin thing from Twitter but instead it was a thought that crossed my mind last night. Frankly, I don't like Durbin and never will. Otherwise, Twitter has become an integral part of the internet and Little Green Footballs. Charles has been on there for several years and it is a useful tool in generating traffic to LGF.

Also agreed. It's part of our culture. I don't regret joining twitter at all.

266 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:15:20am

Romney speaking in Iowa. The one Asian girl they found to put behind him in the audience is playing on her smart phone.

267 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:15:43am

re: #261 Mocking Jay

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Good thing Mitt and Paul aren't my cardiologist because they would have suggested a tax cut to help thin my heart's wall.

268 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:17:21am

re: #266 darthstar

Romney speaking in Iowa. The one Asian girl they found to put behind him in the audience is playing on her smart phone.

And some kids are walking out. Oh, god...Mitt's whining again.

269 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:17:28am

re: #236 blueraven

I agree, I am not on twitter, and find it for the most part, infantile.

That's how I used to view Twitter but now I am addicted. News hits Twitter far, far faster than any other medium. And being a news junkie, that is truly addicting.

270 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:17:44am

re: #265 darthstar

Also agreed. It's part of our culture. I don't regret joining twitter at all.

It used to drive me crazy sometimes. Getting these out of the blue Tweet from the wingnuts. Got into a swarm once which was caused by that weirdo, GayPatriot. So, I no longer add conservative hashtags like #tcot. Also try to avoid harassing people which only leads to never ending Twitter fights.

271 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:18:28am

Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troops

With shocking outrageously outrageous video.

Youtube Video
272 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:18:32am

Cheer up!

273 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:18:55am

re: #103 ReamWorks SKG

We just disagree here. I support affordable housing. So anything that stops propping up house prices is a Good Thing.

I make affordable housing. I can drive past 90 Habitat houses in my town and say:

"I Built That."

274 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:19:49am
275 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:20:38am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troops

With shocking outrageously outrageous video.

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I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.

276 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:07am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troops

With shocking outrageously outrageous video.

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He did say he talked about what he thought was important and the troops were not mentioned. Only military spending.

Spin it any way you want.

277 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:17am

re: #273 Decatur Deb

I make affordable housing. I can drive past 90 Habitat houses in my town and say:

"I Built That."

All by your lonesome?

278 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:23am

Good news for Arlen.

279 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:21:42am

re: #271 Killgore Trout

Marcos "Screw Them" Moulistas is on the case
Shocking no one, Mitt Romney is a dick to our troops

With shocking outrageously outrageous video.

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I already posted the link to the whole interview which included Romney's lame reasons for not mentioning the troops (because he spoke to the American Legion the day before and the VFW the week before).

280 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:22:53am

re: #277 b_sharp

All by your lonesome?

With a lot of other people, some of whom are even Republicans.

281 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:23:33am

re: #275 Gus

I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.

I don't think it is. Military spending is not the same as troops. Veterans are not the same as people who are currently fighting and dying in a war that Romney didn't bother to mention, yet he wants to be the Commander in Chief.

282 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:23:43am

re: #280 Decatur Deb

With a lot of other people, some of whom are even Republicans.

Bipartisan builder.

The gov needs you.

283 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:00am

re: #282 b_sharp

Bipartisan builder.

The gov needs you.

The gov (DoD) had me for 30 years, now I'm correcting the karma.

284 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:22am

re: #276 blueraven

He did say he talked about what he thought was important and the troops were not mentioned. Only military spending.

Spin in any way you want.

Military spending and the people putting their lives on the line are NOT the same thing. Period.

285 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:25am

re: #281 Sionainn

I don't think it is. Military spending is not the same as troops. Veterans are not the same as people who are currently fighting and dying in a war that Romney didn't bother to mention, yet he wants to be the Commander in Chief.

I won't do it.

286 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:25:54am

It's a small thing I guess in the grand scheme of things but I think it's just weird he couldn't even a muster an acknowledgment especially when he had such a hawkish posture up there. If one of the biggest problems is that you're perceived as being out of touch and snobby, you would think that they'd be working to tweak that a little. Weird.

287 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:02am

re: #275 Gus

I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.

It can certainly be taken overboard by people like KOS.

But the quote itself is true.
I know that Romney is not stupid, so this was a calculated omission by him for some reason that I dont quite get.

288 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:17am

re: #285 Gus

I won't do it.

That's okay. I don't have a problem doing it. He had another chance to mention the troops and the war in Afghanistan in this interview and all he could think to do was try to cover his butt.

289 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:52am

re: #281 Sionainn

I don't think it is. Military spending is not the same as troops. Veterans are not the same as people who are currently fighting and dying in a war that Romney didn't bother to mention, yet he wants to be the Commander in Chief.

Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.

While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.

290 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:27:55am

re: #7 Mocking Jay

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Wow. Greatest ever.

Eastwood is an actor, and actors have above-average emotional intelligence but below-average rational intelligence. That's why they need an agent to get them a job, an accountant to manage their money, a writer to tell them what to say, and a director to tell them what to do.

But they're great in movies.

291 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:29:24am

re: #289 OhNoZombies!

Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.

While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.

This.

292 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:29:33am

GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’

Congressman Steve King (R-IA) participated in a radio debate with Democratic challenger Christie Vilsack last night, and was given a chance to explain a comment he made in May comparing immigrants to dogs.

But instead of apologizing, or even explaining how he simply misspoke, King told the audience that the comment was really meant as a compliment, and that anyone who interpreted it as an insult — namely, everyone — was simply motivated by partisanship and incapable of cooperation:

VILSACK: Frankly, he’s been a bully, and he’s an embarrassment to the people of Iowa when he talks about immigrants as animals. If my mother were here she would say to Congressman King ‘show some decency.’

KING: …This American vigor that we have that comes from legal immigrants who came to this country with a dream — we get the cream of the crop of every donor civilization on the planet — and people that can take a compliment and turn it into an insult are not going to be constructive working across the isle. But that’s what that was, was a compliment. And everyone who was there that heard that knows that.

293 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:29:49am

re: #290 Charleston Chew

Eastwood is an actor, and actors have above-average emotional intelligence but below-average rational intelligence. That's why they need an agent to get them a job, an accountant to manage their money, a writer to tell them what to say, and a director to tell them what to do.

But they're great in movies.

Actors make believe better than non-actors.

294 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:30:24am

re: #289 OhNoZombies!

Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.

While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.

Good point.

295 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:30:52am

I don't usually link to Think Progress but.....
MSNBC Host: Democrats’ Jerusalem Move Was ‘Craven Capitulation,’ ‘It’s Bad Policy’

296 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:30:56am

re: #293 Learned Mother of Zion

Actors make believe better than non-actors.

And chefs cook better than other people. And carpenters build things better than other people.

297 Barflytom  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:31:15am

re: #70 Gus

.... Unemployment went from 8.3% to 8.1% and continues on a downward trend. Consumer confidence is at an all time high.......

The unemployment rate fell because of the number of people who've given up looking for work.

"The Conference Board Consumer Confidence Index® Declines in August. Now at Lowest Level since November 2011"....

[Link: www.conference-board.org...]

Where exactly do you get your information ?

298 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:31:32am

Perhaps Romney wanted to keep this election and his speech focused so much on the economy to the extent that he felt introducing anything about war, Afghanistan or even the troops would remind people that Obama has been a good CIC.

It was a mistake to do so and I think he shot himself in the foot.

299 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:31:46am

re: #289 OhNoZombies!

Top that with the fact that he protested in favor of Vietnam and that neither he nor any of his sons have ever served.

While I don't think his quote was outrageous in and of itself, it stands as a reflection of the impersonal view of the military he projects.

...and that should scare anyone who thinks Mitt would be a good president. I don't want a Commander in Chief who appears not to think of the military as people with lives and families. It's not a fucking game.

300 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:32:22am

DERP

301 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:33:06am

re: #292 Kragar

GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’

Steve King doing his best "I'm the biggest douche" in Congress routine again I see. I'm sure Louie Gohmert and Michele Bachmann are pissed but that's their gig!

302 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:33:35am
303 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:34:06am

re: #300 Learned Mother of Zion

DERP

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Yeah because only millionaires work. Seriously, what a load of horseshit. But hey tax cuts above all, right.

304 Charleston Chew  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:34:38am

re: #300 Learned Mother of Zion

DERP

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By "the ones working" does he mean millionaires? Brushing your dressage horse doesn't count as work.

305 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:35:28am

re: #298 blueraven

Perhaps Romney wanted to keep this election and his speech focused so much on the economy to the extent that he felt introducing anything about war, Afghanistan or even the troops would remind people that Obama has been a good CIC.

It was a mistake to do so and I think he shot himself in the foot.

There that and he doesn't have an alternative plan for Afghanistan. He's done some minor bitching about lack of US leadership in Syria but that probably needs to wait until after the election. He's also offered no alternative for Iran. Obama has all the foreign policy bases covered and it's tough to find major flaws or radical alternatives to differentiate himself from Obama. Some minor quibbles is the best he can do.

306 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:35:59am

re: #304 Charleston Chew

By "the ones working" does he mean millionaires? Brushing your dressage horse doesn't count as work.

Well, it does if a minimum-wage stable hand is doing the brushing.

307 ShaunP  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:36:31am

No kidding:

308 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:37:55am

Oh boy.

Joe Walsh: Tammy Duckworth Will Only Debate 'Which Outfit She'll Be Wearing'

"It has become abundantly clear that at this point the only debate Ms. Duckworth is actually interested in having is which outfit she’ll be wearing for her big speech."

309 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:38:13am

So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?

310 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:38:37am

Even Fox News is getting fed up with Romney's lack of details about what he plans to do when he takes office...

Youtube Video

JARRETT: He’s not saying which of the loopholes and deductions and credits and exemptions he wants to close. That is huge. That’s significant. How can he not tell the American people those facts?

CHEN: Well, let’s back up for a second. This is a race about two dramatically different philosophies. [...] As you’ve said, they’re going to get rid of some of this underbrush, some of the deductions and some of the exemptions that are clouding our tax code.

JARRETT: But why won’t he explain how and which ones and by how much?

CHEN: Well, you know, a number of different bipartisan commissions over the years have told us exactly how we get there. The key is presidential leadership and that’s something that’s been lacking. That’s something that Governor Mitt Romney is going to provide in the White House.

JARRETT: But Mr. Chen, forgive me, you’re just not answering my question. So let me put it again: which loopholes and deductions and credits and exemptions the President’s going to get rid of would affect all Americans. Before they cast their ballot, don’t they deserve to know which ones are going, which ones are not, and by how much?

CHEN: Look Greg, Governor Romney’s been very clear that first of all we’re going to look to curb deductions for high-income taxpayers. And secondly, a lot of different deductions and exemptions are out there, we’ve got a lot of different ways to get there.

transcription by TP

311 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:38:47am

re: #308 Gus

Oh boy.

Joe Walsh: Tammy Duckworth Will Only Debate 'Which Outfit She'll Be Wearing'

"It has become abundantly clear that at this point the only debate Ms. Duckworth is actually interested in having is which outfit she’ll be wearing for her big speech."

Yeah, acting like an utter douchebag will be sure to win votes.

312 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:39:20am

re: #308 Gus

Oh boy.

Joe Walsh: Tammy Duckworth Will Only Debate 'Which Outfit She'll Be Wearing'

"It has become abundantly clear that at this point the only debate Ms. Duckworth is actually interested in having is which outfit she’ll be wearing for her big speech."

This is how a man who knows his political career is fucked talks. And goes back to what I was saying about certain members of the Republican caucus having an internal race to be the biggest dickhead.

313 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:39:42am

re: #305 Killgore Trout

There that and he doesn't have an alternative plan for Afghanistan. He's done some minor bitching about lack of US leadership in Syria but that probably needs to wait until after the election. He's also offered no alternative for Iran. Obama has all the foreign policy bases covered and it's tough to find major flaws or radical alternatives to differentiate himself from Obama. Some minor quibbles is the best he can do.

Yes, and that is exactly my point. It was a rank political decision not to mention the troops.

314 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:41:31am

re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion

You can never have a big enough screen IMO. I've got dual screens at work, and my home computer has dual 23 inch monitors. A decision I will never regret.

It makes it much easier on your eyes if you have a bigger screen, even on a laptop. If you're going to be regularly traveling with it, a smaller screen might then make sense.

315 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:41:32am

re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion

So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?

I've got a Macbook Pro for the first time, and I hate to admit, I love it. (and I'm a lifelong PC evangelist). But given the choice between Lenovo and Dell, I'd take a Lenovo any day. I've had Dells, and they just don't have the life of the IBM/Lenovo laptops. Get a Lenovo with a 15" screen and you'll be glad you did.

316 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:43:24am

re: #312 HappyWarrior

This is how a man who knows his political career is fucked talks. And goes back to what I was saying about certain members of the Republican caucus having an internal race to be the biggest dickhead.

With Walsh one doesn't have to verify his crazy statements.

317 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:44:34am

re: #316 Gus

With Walsh one doesn't have to verify his crazy statements.

Ha, indeed. Guy goes out of his way to act like a dick.

318 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:45:51am
319 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:46:07am

Ugh.

320 ShaunP  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:47:50am

This again?

321 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:48:44am

re: #320 ShaunP

This again?

It never went away.

It's bold and serious.

322 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:48:49am

re: #320 ShaunP

This again?

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Easy to do when you don't have shit to say.

323 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:49:14am

re: #320 ShaunP

This again?

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Grassley is such a bozo. They all use teleprompters.

324 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:49:19am

re: #320 ShaunP

This again?

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This wouldn't be so sad and pathetic if Grassley wasn't a member of the US Senate and is in fact a fairly high senior member of that body. Grow up Grassley.

325 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:49:48am

re: #319 Gus

Ugh.

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...

...City Commissioner Randy Leonard, who is in charge of the water bureau, defended the decision, citing a potential public health risk. He said he worried about the possibility of chlamydia or AIDS from blood in urine.

"I'm for taking the most conservative approach," he said.

Dr. Gary Oxman, the county health officer, said the risk was so close to nil that it falls in the "never say never" range. Even with the uncertainty over an object thrown in the water, "that's still a very small risk," he said.

The young man, Josh Seater, told KATU-TV he'd been drinking, was with friends and thought that the reservoir was a sewage treatment plant. He said he felt guilty instantly, and then security guards arrived.

"I knew I did wrong when I did it," he told the station.

Besides the sewage charge, Shaff said, the flushed water is worth $28,000.

The Mount Hood watershed that supplies the city is brimming this spring, with roughly 30.3 million litres flowing through it about every half hour.

"If I lived in Texas, I might have had a different response," he said.

326 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:03am

Occupiers burn their voter registration cards in protest

Occupy Chicago members gathered yesterday and some of them burned their voter registration cards in protest against this year's elections. They believe that there is no good candidate and are abstaining from voting. The protest took place in front of President Obama's campaign headquarters at 130 East Randolph as the Democratic National Convention entered it's last day.

327 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:21am

re: #325 Gus

...

The conservative approach is to waste all that water?

328 ShaunP  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:26am

re: #324 HappyWarrior

This wouldn't be so sad and pathetic if Grassley wasn't a member of the US Senate and is in fact a fairly high senior member of that body. Grow up Grassley.

Further to that point:

329 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:51:41am

Speaking of homeopathy...

330 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:52:37am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Occupiers burn their voter registration cards in protest

Every pirate votes for hisself!

331 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:52:38am
332 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:52:45am

re: #323 Gus

Grassley is such a bozo. They all use teleprompters.

Sen Grassley make his speeches by reading off of clay cuneiform tablests, as God intended.

333 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:54:35am
334 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:54:36am

re: #328 ShaunP

Further to that point:

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Yeah, really the teleprompter jokes are so stupid. As already pointed out by Gus, all these guys use them. Hell if I were a politician, I'd use one and not have any second qualms about it.

335 allegro  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:55:01am

re: #327 Mocking Jay

The conservative approach is to waste all that water?

It seems to be an open reservoir. How many birds flying over it poop in it? How many mosquitoes lay eggs in it?

Yeah, there's nothing "conservative" about this level of waste of resources or money.

336 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:56:10am

re: #332 The Ghost of a Flea

Sen Grassley make his speeches by reading off of clay cuneiform tablests, as God intended.

337 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:57:57am
338 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:58:23am

You know would have used a teleprompter I bet if they had them at the time, Jefferson. Everything I've read about Thomas Jefferson has told me that the guy just didn't do public speaking that well. It's too bad the phonograph was invented after the civil war because how could would it be to hear what guys like Washington, Jefferson, and Lincoln sounded like? Or with the first two what they actually looked like too. Small thing I know.

339 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 10:59:22am

re: #300 Learned Mother of Zion

DERP

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Only if you consider millionaires to be 'workers'.

340 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:00:32am

re: #329 Gus

Speaking of homeopathy...

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Ugh. Face palm. Listening to some whacko supporting homeopathy... Dr. Iris Bell.

341 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:00:50am

re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion

So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?

Only if you are a gamer.

342 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:01:18am

re: #340 Gus

Ugh. Face palm. Listening to some whacko supporting homeopathy... Dr. Iris Bell.

[Link: live.huffingtonpost.com...]

Squirming here.

343 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:02:37am

I could have told you this right at the start ;)

344 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:04:07am

re: #314 lawhawk

You can never have a big enough screen IMO. I've got dual screens at work, and my home computer has dual 23 inch monitors. A decision I will never regret.

It makes it much easier on your eyes if you have a bigger screen, even on a laptop. If you're going to be regularly traveling with it, a smaller screen might then make sense.

Laptop = movement.
A price comparable desktop is more powerful with larger screens.

I have a number of customers who went back to 15.6" and 16" notebooks after lugging around 17" for a few years.

If you need to use a notebook/laptop in a static position, buy an extra monitor, say a 23/24" and plug it in to the notebook.

345 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:06:18am

re: #344 b_sharp

While that's generally the case, some people buy laptops because they don't want the clutter of a desktop system - and want to be able to tote the laptop around their home (not necessarily taking it on the road).

I agree that if you're going to go on the road, a smaller laptop make sense - lighter is better, but screen size matters to those who are constantly on computers on a daily basis.

346 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:06:27am

re: #309 Learned Mother of Zion

So, should it be Dell or Lenovo? Dell has a 17" screen but do I really need that big of a laptop?

Don't look at me, I still love my netbook, teeny tiny screen and all.

347 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:06:44am

re: #326 NJDhockeyfan

Occupiers burn their voter registration cards in protest

That's fucking brilliant.
Do they also take their balls home and not play anymore when they get a booboo?

348 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:07:14am
349 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:07:47am
350 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:07:50am

re: #329 Gus

Speaking of homeopathy...

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Science people, science.
Homeopathy is a snake-oil scam.

351 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:08:24am

re: #347 b_sharp

That's fucking brilliant.
Do they also take their balls home and not play anymore when they get a booboo?

Yep. I think that's called cutting off your nose to spite your face.

352 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:08:26am

re: #334 HappyWarrior

Yeah, really the teleprompter jokes are so stupid. As already pointed out by Gus, all these guys use them. Hell if I were a politician, I'd use one and not have any second qualms about it.

I had a second qualm once. It gave me heartburn.

353 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:09:09am

re: #336 Gus

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I like that, short and not so sweet.

354 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:09:57am

re: #344 b_sharp

Laptop = movement.
A price comparable desktop is more powerful with larger screens.

I have a number of customers who went back to 15.6" and 16" notebooks after lugging around 17" for a few years.

If you need to use a notebook/laptop in a static position, buy an extra monitor, say a 23/24" and plug it in to the notebook.

The laptop I am replacing is a 17" Dell. I like the larger screen, but it is very bulky for traveling. I don't feel any particular loyalty to Dell since several of their products have totally crapped out on me.

355 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:10:33am

re: #320 ShaunP

This again?

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They got nothin.

356 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:12:19am

re: #292 Kragar

GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’

Mr. King, from a proud hard working immigrant: Screw you and the high horse you rode in on.

357 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:14:58am

re: #345 lawhawk

While that's generally the case, some people buy laptops because they don't want the clutter of a desktop system - and want to be able to tote the laptop around their home (not necessarily taking it on the road).

I agree that if you're going to go on the road, a smaller laptop make sense - lighter is better, but screen size matters to those who are constantly on computers on a daily basis.

Even if your just trotting around the house, a 17" can be kind of big. I too have 2 23" monitors like you, one of them turned on edge, but if I want to sit at a desk with one of my laptops I plug it into a 19" monitor I have for that purpose.

I see nothing wrong with having a 17" notebook, especially if your eyes aren't the best, as long as you are aware of the extra weight and larger package. For me CPU speed/HDD size is more important than screen size.

I just tend to assume people who buy a laptop do so for the portability.

358 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:15:58am

Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!

(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)

359 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:16:50am

re: #348 darthstar

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Or standing over some dead Taliban while holding a 'We Built That' banner.

360 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:17:19am

re: #350 b_sharp

Science people, science.
Homeopathy is a snake-oil scam.

...

It's Big Pharma keeping homeopathy down man!

Here's the other one spewing her BS: Lauri Grossman, New York, New York Chair, Dept. of Humanism, American Medical College of Homeopathy

Department of Humanism? WTF.

Makes me feel ill.

361 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:17:32am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!

(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)

Independent of the Obama component, is there anything to the Nestle water shipping aspect, or is that bunk as well?

362 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:18:36am

[Link: www.theonion.com...]
To be fair, the summer of 87 was really awesome. I mean I missed the first month or so but...........

363 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:18:57am

re: #361 The Ghost of a Flea

Independent of the Obama component, is there anything to the Nestle water shipping aspect, or is that bunk as well?

Haven't even bothered to check on Nestle. The physics and economics of shipping the Great Lakes does it for me.

364 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:19:05am

re: #356 dragonfire1981

Mr. King, from a proud hard working immigrant: Screw you and the high horse you rode in on.

You're not an immigrant. You're a Canuck aren't you?

365 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:09am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!

(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)

They don't use signs. Look for yellow flags and bumper stickers.

366 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:36am

re: #358 Decatur Deb

Just how freaking insane is it going to get? Freep is running a thread on the Obama collusion in the Nestle scheme to export all the Great Lakes good water to China. Big Water!!!

(There is exactly one lawn sign in my Lower Alabama neighborhood--my Obama sign. The TPGOP isn't even bothering.)

As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.

367 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:38am

re: #360 Gus

...

Here's the other one spewing her BS: Lauri Grossman, New York, New York Chair, Dept. of Humanism, American Medical College of Homeopathy

Department of Humanism? WTF.

Makes me feel ill.

They've appropriated the term 'humanism' to give themselves credibility.

368 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:20:55am

re: #364 b_sharp

You're not an immigrant. You're a Canuck aren't you?

I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.

369 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:21:33am

re: #365 dragonfire1981

They don't use signs. Look for yellow flags and bumper stickers.

We have Gadsden flag license plates and confederate flag license surrounds.

370 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:22:29am

re: #366 OhNoZombies!

As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.

Yes, those Great Lakes. Implied nastiness of the water aside, the lakes are one of the richest sources of fresh (as in non salt) water on the planet. They'll likely become highly valuable when/if water starts to become scarce.

Oh and full disclosure: I used to live in the Great Lakes region so I know how the water is too.

371 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:22:37am

re: #366 OhNoZombies!

As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.

Cleveland aside, it's a really big lake.

372 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:22:42am

re: #368 dragonfire1981

I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.

If you are from Canada, are you viewed as a immigrant, with all it's stigma, by your neighbours? Just curious.

373 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:23:08am

re: #360 Gus

Just wait until they start claiming that their treatments work due to quantum physics - that particles of X are sticking around due to quantum effects that allow stuff like this. Just you wait.

374 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:23:15am

re: #371 Decatur Deb

Cleveland aside, it's a really bi[g] lake.

FTFY

375 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:23:46am

re: #368 dragonfire1981

I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.

Trying to get away from that soshulized medicine, eh? Too late.

376 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:24:23am

re: #367 b_sharp

They've appropriated the term 'humanism' to give themselves credibility.

Co-opting humanism perhaps? Then again in many circles humanism is a religion. People BELIEVE that homeopathy works. That's sort of like BELIEVING that antibiotics work. It's not about belief.

377 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:24:38am
378 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:25:03am

re: #372 b_sharp

If you are from Canada, are you viewed as a immigrant, with all it's stigma, by your neighbours? Just curious.

No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.

It's actually funny because a lot of times when we think of "immigrants" we think of uneducated people with thick accents running a convenience store or driving a taxi.

In truth, Immigrants come in all shapes sizes and colors and many of them are well educated and work in professional fields. We don't all have accents either. :P

379 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:25:26am

re: #375 Decatur Deb

Trying to get away from that soshulized medicine, eh? Too late.

I miss it. I really miss it.

380 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:25:31am

re: #373 lawhawk

Just wait until they start claiming that their treatments work due to quantum physics - that particles of X are sticking around due to quantum effects that allow stuff like this. Just you wait.

Actually. That's what some of them are doing. Weirdos.

381 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:26:42am

re: #378 dragonfire1981

No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.

It's actually funny because a lot of times when we think of "immigrants" we think of uneducated people with thick accents running a convenience store or driving a taxi.

In truth, Immigrants come in all shapes sizes and colors and many of them are well educated and work in professional fields. We don't all have accents either. :P

Why don't y'all let us decide whether you have accents.

382 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:07am

Today's Google doodle is great.

383 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:10am

Barton: 'If You Want abortion, You Want Bigger Government'

I love the title on this. It says "Ireland Dáil Defeats Socialist’s Bill to Legalize Abortion." Now the two words that stick out to me there are "socialists" and "abortion." It's interesting how those two things go together. Pro-abortion people tend to be pro-socialism people; that is, they want bigger government. If you want abortion, you want bigger government.

And I don't think I had really thought of socialism and abortion as going side-by-side until I saw the headline to this article that they defeated a socialist's bill to legalize abortion. And, you know, that kind of helps me identify things here in America; I can kind of start looking at people who are pro-abortion and say, you know, they really are pro-socialism, they're pro bigger government, less individual rights and responsibilities.

But I think it's good news for us to identify pro-abortion people with socialism, quite frankly.

Wanting people who you've never met before to mind their own business and stop interfering with a personal decision is wanting big government?

384 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:35am

re: #373 lawhawk

Just wait until they start claiming that their treatments work due to quantum physics - that particles of X are sticking around due to quantum effects that allow stuff like this. Just you wait.

It doesn't dawn on them that by requiring the formulation to be succussed for the potentiation to be effective they are actually using an equivalent to a magic incantation.

385 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:27:44am

re: #329 Gus

Speaking of homeopathy...

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386 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:28:20am

#Flapdoodle

387 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:28:36am

re: #378 dragonfire1981

No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.

Canadians totally have accents, and also their heads split when they speak.

388 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:29:17am
389 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:29:43am

re: #382 Mocking Jay

Today's Google doodle is great.

That was fun.

390 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:30:43am

re: #378 dragonfire1981

No, BUT I happen to have white skin and speak with (almost no) accent, so I'm sure that helps. If I had come from an Indian or Asian background, I'm sure things would be different.

It's actually funny because a lot of times when we think of "immigrants" we think of uneducated people with thick accents running a convenience store or driving a taxi.

In truth, Immigrants come in all shapes sizes and colors and many of them are well educated and work in professional fields. We don't all have accents either. :P

That was kind of where I was going. The average colour free, pasty skinned Canadian would likely be viewed more like a strange relative than an outsider. It's the way many here in the prairie provinces view Americans.

391 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:31:39am

re: #371 Decatur Deb

re: #370 dragonfire1981

I know. And really, they've cleaned up the Cleveland side quite a bit since I was a kid. Still...
Port Stanley in Canada, Lake Erie looks totally different.

392 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:31:39am

File under WTF, rape-culture edition:

After being convicted by a jury earlier this summer of sexual abuse for groping a woman in a bar, ex-DPS Officer Robb Gary Evans walked out of a Coconino County Superior Courtroom on Wednesday morning having been sentenced to two years of probation.

Evans received credit for the four days of jail time he served in Coconino County jail.

Prosecutors contended that he drank eight beers and then drove himself to the Green Room, where he flashed his badge in an attempt to get into a concert for free. While inside, he walked up behind the victim, who was a friend of a friend, put his hand up her skirt and then ran his fingers across her genitals.

When bouncers threw him out, Evans told them he was a cop and they would be arrested.

The 43-year-old former Arizona Department of Public Safety officer was facing between six months and 2 1/2 years in prison, but the crime was eligible for probation. He will not be required to register as a sex offender, according to the sentence.

The judge said she considered the defendant's lack of a criminal record and strong community support in her sentencing.

She also advised the victim to be more vigilant.

But wait, there's more:

Bad things can happen in bars, [Judge] Hatch told the victim, adding that other people might be more intoxicated than she was.

"If you wouldn't have been there that night, none of this would have happened to you," Hatch said.

Hatch told the victim and the defendant that no one would be happy with the sentence she gave, but that finding an appropriate sentence was her duty.

"I hope you look at what you've been through and try to take something positive out of it," Hatch said to the victim in court. "You learned a lesson about friendship and you learned a lesson about vulnerability."

Hatch said that the victim was not to blame in the case, but that all women must be vigilant against becoming victims.

"When you blame others, you give up your power to change," Hatch said that her mother used to say.

393 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:32:30am

re: #380 Gus

Actually. That's what some of them are doing. Weirdos.

The quantum world explains everything because it's non-intuitive to science illiterates but sounds all sciency.

394 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:33:05am

re: #381 Decatur Deb

Why don't y'all let us decide whether you have accents, eh?

FTFY

395 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:34:11am

re: #391 OhNoZombies!

re: #370 dragonfire1981

I know. And really, they've cleaned up the Cleveland side quite a bit since I was a kid. Still...
Port Stanley in Canada, Lake Erie looks totally different.

If you grew up in '50s Pittsburgh, you went to Port Erie as a resort.

396 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:34:21am

re: #387 Learned Mother of Zion

Canadians totally have accents, and also their heads split when they speak.

Image: alien3.jpg

397 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:36:28am

re: #393 b_sharp

The quantum world explains everything because it's non-intuitive to science illiterates but sounds all sciency.

Flopdoodle. Or, horsepucky!

398 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:37:09am

re: #392 The Ghost of a Flea

File under WTF, rape-culture edition:

But wait, there's more:

Sigh, you have a right not to expect to be groped by a drunk at the bar. The judge is way out of bounds there.

399 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:37:42am

re: #383 Kragar

Barton: 'If You Want abortion, You Want Bigger Government'

Wanting people who you've never met before to mind their own business and stop interfering with a personal decision is wanting big government?

You have to understand in Barton's ideal America, it will be your friends and neighbors rather than government agents that check you tampons, open your mail, and listen in on phone conversations between you and your physician.

400 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:37:56am

Image: ancientaliens.jpg

401 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:38:12am

re: #396 b_sharp

Image: alien3.jpg

Image: Canadian

402 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:39:05am

re: #140 blueraven

Well there are here and they are exploited.

Property taxes at least here in Massachusetts are issued by municipalities and not the state. There are certain exemptions that can be offered for seniors, veterans, hardship etc., but generally only if it is your primary residence. There are of course federal deductions to help compensate, but to my knowledge it would be very difficult for a landlord to get a property tax exemption. The homestead exemption in particular is only for primary residences and only exempts a small portion of a homes value.

403 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:39:18am

re: #401 Learned Mother of Zion

Image: Canadian

With their wee beady eyes and flapping heads so full of lie.

404 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:39:56am

re: #403 Kragar

With their wee beady eyes and flapping heads so full of lie.

And their hockey sticks!

405 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:40:10am

re: #400 Gus

That guy has one heck of a cowlick.

406 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:40:15am

re: #387 Learned Mother of Zion

Canadians totally have accents, and also their heads split when they speak.

With all their hockey hullabulloo...

407 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:40:49am

re: #403 Kragar

With their wee beady eyes and flapping heads so full of lie.

Round heads.

//

408 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:41:26am

re: #406 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

With all their hockey hullabulloo...

And that bitch Anne Murray too...

409 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:41:44am

What convention are we blogging tonight? I need my convention.

410 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:41:58am

re: #405 OhNoZombies!

That guy has one heck of a cowlick.

Larry

411 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:43:44am

re: #400 Gus

Image: ancientaliens.jpg

I love that comedy show.

412 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:44:05am

re: #409 Decatur Deb

What convention are we blogging tonight? I need my convention.

I don't think my liver could survive another convention.

413 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:44:19am

re: #398 HappyWarrior

Sigh, you have a right not to expect to be groped by a drunk at the bar. The judge is way out of bounds there.

Imagine how far under the jail you'd be buried if you got hammered and groped the judge in a bar.

414 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:44:20am

re: #401 Learned Mother of Zion

Image: Canadian

I like mine better.

415 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:44:34am

re: #411 b_sharp

I love that comedy show.

Lies! It's SCIENCE! They speak truth to power man!

416 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:45:20am

re: #412 Gus

I don't think my liver could survive another convention.

Held our Obama watch party in a bar.

417 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:45:31am

GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan on jobs report: 'This is not even close to what a recovery looks like'

mr ryan wins the "duh!" award for the day

418 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:45:37am

You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?

419 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:46:07am

re: #416 Decatur Deb

Held our Obama watch party in a bar.

How was it during Granholm's speech?

420 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:46:43am
421 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:46:49am

re: #417 engineer cat

GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan on jobs report: 'This is not even close to what a recovery looks like'

mr ryan wins the "duh!" award for the day

Maybe if your party wasn't blocking the jobs bill, Paul it would look better but derp.

422 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:12am

re: #415 Gus

Lies! It's SCIENCE! They speak truth to power man!

Then why do the wife and I get so many laughs out of watching it?

423 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:17am

re: #419 Gus

How was it during Granholm's speech?

Speaking of which, is there an animated gif yet of her fist pumps?

424 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:52am

re: #419 Gus

How was it during Granholm's speech?

It was really good--and most of us were still sober.

(Didn't know her at all, but I hope she's doing something that will keep her in the game.)

425 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:47:58am

fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises

begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies

426 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:48:20am

re: #423 Interesting Times

Speaking of which, is there an animated gif yet of her fist pumps?

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When did McCain pull out of Michigan? Really, I didn't think Mitt would win Michigan but I had thought that they had the resources to put some pressure on Obama there and in Pennsylvania which they're also pulling ads from.

427 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:48:27am

re: #423 Interesting Times

Speaking of which, is there an animated gif yet of her fist pumps?

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In business, you pull out of a market in which you're not profitable. But in business, you aren't required to be profitable in a certain fraction of the total market.

In other words: elections, how the fuck do they work?

428 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:48:29am

re: #418 Gus

You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?

I always envision some guy wearing pants with a weirdly high waistline sanctimoniously reciting a litany of factually incorrect aphorisms into a light socket.

429 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:07am

re: #411 b_sharp

I love that comedy show.

ALIENS! ARE! REAL!
The truth is out there...

And people rode on dinosaurs.

430 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:21am

re: #421 HappyWarrior

Maybe if your party wasn't blocking the jobs bill, Paul it would look better but derp.

oh you know, when the gummint hires somebody and pays them money to do something useful, somehow according to republicans this is not the same as a job

431 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:29am

re: #418 Gus

You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?

"Open your mind" in the mantra of conspiracy theorists.

432 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:33am

re: #424 Decatur Deb

It was really good--and most of us were still sober.

(Didn't know her at all, but I hope she's doing something that will keep her in the game.)

She's Canadian. Found out after thinking that she has POTUS potential. Too bad aye?

433 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:36am

re: #418 Gus

You ever notice how on the internet when people say "truth to power" they're usually talking bullshit?

I think of what you've christened, emoprogs when I hear that phrase truthfully.

434 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:49:59am

re: #429 OhNoZombies!

ALIENS! ARE! REAL!
The truth is out there...

And people rode on dinosaurs.

Aliens are very likely real.
The history channel crap not so much.

Good afternoon LGF.

435 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:50:22am

Archive for 'Breivik Left'

436 Sheila Broflovski  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:50:40am
437 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:50:48am

If I'm understanding this right, these military groups are bothered that these days were opened up to everyone? They want only members of the military to be able to vote on these days?

Military Groups To Appeal Ohio Early Voting Ruling

438 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:10am

re: #425 engineer cat

fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises

begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies

shut up they're bold and serious that's why.

439 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:16am

re: #437 Mocking Jay

If I'm understanding this right, these military groups are bothered that these days were opened up to everyone? They want only members of the military to be able to vote on these days?

Military Groups To Appeal Ohio Early Voting Ruling

I don't know. Way I look it is this if military members should get early voting then everyone should.

440 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:17am

re: #429 OhNoZombies!

ALIENS! ARE! REAL!
The truth is out there...

And people rode on dinosaurs.

Aliens are real. The fact that they haven't visited us proves their intelligence.

441 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:24am

A note to all those 'Obama gave us no recovery' assholes. The new unemployment numbers just came down for the US at 8.1 and Canada at 7.3. Canada never hit the level of unemployment that the US did, yet we're still relatively high, despite $100.00/barrel oil.

Maybe an individual country's government can't produce a dramatic drop in unemployment because of how closely tied that country is to the global economy?

442 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:52:27am

re: #437 Mocking Jay

If I'm understanding this right, these military groups are bothered that these days were opened up to everyone? They want only members of the military to be able to vote on these days?

Military Groups To Appeal Ohio Early Voting Ruling

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP! DO YOU WANT TO KNOW MORE?

443 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:53:07am

re: #436 Learned Mother of Zion

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Well, obviously the guy with money in the Caymans, because if he didn't have all that money to spend, he wouldn't be hoarding it.

///

444 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:53:57am

re: #441 b_sharp

A note to all those 'Obama gave us no recovery' assholes. The new unemployment numbers just came down for the US at 8.1 and Canada at 7.3. Canada never hit the level of unemployment that the US did, yet we're still relatively high, despite $100.00/barrel oil.

Maybe an individual country's government can't produce a dramatic drop in unemployment because of how closely tied that country is to the global economy?

Ah, aha, but you know what's not part of the global economy?

GOLD!!!1

445 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:54:21am

re: #444 erik_t

Ah, aha, but you know what's not part of the global economy?

Ron Goldmember Paul.

446 simoom  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:54:28am

re: #323 Gus

Grassley is such a bozo. They all use teleprompters.

[Link: desmond.yfrog.com...]

Actually, his next tweet is idiotic too:

You don't even need to wait for his trickled down economics to kick in and automagically fix everything. Apparently he's lain out his policy proposals with such clarity that his very victory will instantly instill "certainty" and heal the global economy. ///

447 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:23am

re: #446 simoom

So many synonyms for 'white' that I've learned this cycle.

448 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:27am

re: #446 simoom

[Link: desmond.yfrog.com...]

Actually, his next tweet is idiotic too:

You don't even need to wait for his trickled down economics to kick in and automagically fix everything. Apparently he's lain out his policy proposals with such clarity that his very victory will instantly instill "certainty" and heal the global economy. ///

I would like to postulate the existence of the Magical Certainty Fairy.

Debate is now open.

449 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:33am

re: #425 engineer cat

fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises

begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies

They only made promises about policies because they don't have any policies. They don't have any policies because they've been too busy promising about policies.

450 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:55:44am

Oh geez the teleprompter crap.
Sigh.

451 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:56:11am

re: #428 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I always envision some guy wearing pants with a weirdly high waistline sanctimoniously reciting a litany of factually incorrect aphorisms into a light socket.

Too weird. It has to be real.

452 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:56:30am

re: #446 simoom

[Link: desmond.yfrog.com...]

Actually, his next tweet is idiotic too:

[Embedded content]

You don't even need to wait for his trickled down economics to kick in and automagically fix everything. Apparently he's lain out his policy proposals with such clarity that his very victory will instantly instill "certainty" and heal the global economy. ///

Okay, I know this obviously isn't Grassley himself saying this but you would think that the office of the ranking member on the judiciary committee would be watching the tweets put out in their boss's name uhh carefully.

453 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:57:02am

Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.

454 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:57:33am

re: #431 Killgore Trout

"Open your mind" in the mantra of conspiracy theorists.

Youtube Video
456 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:02am

re: #453 Gus

Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.

I see it purely as a math thing.

457 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:25am

re: #450 Varek Raith

Oh geez the teleprompter crap.
Sigh.

Absolutely brain-dead. Anyone who could possibly give a shit about the teleprompter meme decided to vote against Obama in Nov 2008. Yet they persist...

458 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:27am

re: #425 engineer cat

fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises

begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies

He's been very clear about how fuzzy he'll be.

459 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:58:34am

re: #455 Kragar

BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours

Good, he was acting like a total jackass in this.

460 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:05am

re: #456 Varek Raith

I see it purely as a math thing.

Pretty much. Which is why I brought up probability. That's all we have right now.

461 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:18am

re: #455 Kragar

BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the judge ordering his ass to court.
Nope!

462 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:53am

There's a starman waiting in the sky and he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'll blow our minds.

463 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 11:59:56am

re: #453 Gus

Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.

I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.

464 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:00:22pm

re: #461 Varek Raith

Couldn't possibly have anything to do with the judge ordering his ass to court.
Nope!

Youtube Video
465 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:00:24pm

re: #463 Targetpractice

I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.

That would be lame and boring.
;)

466 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:00:54pm

re: #463 Targetpractice

I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.

Oy. Yeah, from L. Ron Hubbard.

467 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:07pm

re: #463 Targetpractice

I've heard the suggestion tossed around that we are, in fact, the "precursor" species, the first intelligent life that has evolved in this galaxy.

The Galactic Institutes will get a laugh out of that.

468 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:26pm

Secular creationism.

//

469 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:32pm

We leave our children of the universe reality tv.
Enjoy!

470 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:01:58pm

re: #466 Gus

Oy. Yeah, from L. Ron Hubbard.

Never heard it from Hubbard, but somehow that wouldn't surprise me.

471 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:02:51pm

re: #468 Gus

Secular creationism.

//

Watch out for the probes!

472 simoom  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:03:30pm

Unusual local interview with Ann Romney where she's there to basically do "Yay women!" but then is asked repeatedly about specific women-related policies:

[Link: m.kwqc.com...]

...

KWQC TV6: "Here in Iowa, as you know, same-sex marriage is legal. Do you believe a lesbian mother should be allowed to marry her partner?"

Ann Romney: "You know, I'm not going to talk about the specific issues. I'm going to let my husband speak on issues. I'm here to really just talk about my husband and what kind of husband and father he is and, you know, those are hot-button issues that distract from what the real voting issue is going to be at this election. That, it's going to be about the economy and jobs."

And, frankly, the President said four years ago that if he doesn't turn this economy around he's going to be looking at a one-term presidency. And I frankly believe that Mitt is the person that is so going to be focused on jobs and job creation and making sure that women's economic prosperity is more certain and by the way their children's future is because as we all know we're facing this debt crisis. Sometime, somewhere, somehow someone's going to have to pay off these debts, and it's going to be our children. And we have to, it's getting to be a desperate situation. We will be looking at a Greece-like situation or a Spain situation if we don't address these issues very quickly."

KWQC TV6: "Do you believe that employer-provided health insurance should be required to cover birth control?"

Ann Romney: "Again, you're asking me questions that are not about what this election is going to be about. This election is going to be about the economy and jobs."

KWQC TV6: "Well, a Pew research poll shows those issues are very important to women, ranking them either "important" or "very important."

Ann Romney: "You know, but I personally believe, and this is what I'm hearing from women all across the country that they are going to look for the guy that's going to pull them out of the weeds and get them job security and a brighter future for their children. That's the message.

Listen, I've been across this country, I've been for a year-and-a-half on the campaign trail. I've spoken with thousands of women and they are telling me, they're telling me a couple of things, one they say they're praying for me which is really wonderful, and then they're saying, ‘please help, please help. We are so worried about our jobs.'

So really if you want to try to pull me off of the other messages it's not going to work because I know because I've been out there."

KWQC TV6: "Well, I don't want to pull you off any message. You just told a reporter who was questioning you in Cleveland that you want women to have a secure and stable future. I asked you about marriage and whether lesbian mothers should be allowed to marry. Isn't marriage a part of creating a stable future?"

Ann Romney: "You know, again, I'm going to talk to you about the economy and about job creation and about how my husband is the right person for the right time. This is going to be an election that is very important for women, and we are going to make sure that their economic prosperity is more certain under a President Romney."

473 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:04:14pm

re: #469 Varek Raith

We leave our children of the universe reality tv.
Enjoy!

"The heavens have given us, the people of Tau Ceti V, a stark vision of the horrors that wait beyond the endless gulfs of space and time. Behold the madness from beyond the stars. Behold... THE SNOOKI!"

474 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:05:08pm

re: #467 Kragar

The Galactic Institutes will get a laugh out of that.

In the '60s the science editor of the NYT proposed that the universe was likely teeming with 'short-lived' intelligent species that would never make contact with another. Sullivan, IIRC.

475 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:05:27pm

re: #472 simoom

Unusual local interview with Anne Romney where she's there to basically do "Yay women!" but then is asked repeatedly about specific women-related policies:

[Link: m.kwqc.com...]

I hate to sound crass but Ann Romney comes off really mean-spurted there. Totally disregards the women's health issues. She's going to be in for a surprise when women reject her husband's bullshit by a large margin in November.

476 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:06:13pm

re: #453 Gus

Until such time as a reputable institution provides us with credible information on the existence of alien life, alien life does not exist only to the point of there being a probability of its existence. That probability also includes the possibility of there not being any alien life out there. Otherwise, thinking about alien life is much like thinking about blue whales on far off planets.

Given the ease with which amino acids, sugars and even alcohol can be produced in space (we have evidence of vast clouds of them) the likelihood of life on other planets is pretty high. What isn't so high is the likelihood that life would become technological. Intelligence isn't a guaranteed outcome of evolution, nor is the development of complex language. It may be the confluence of intelligence, language and ability to finely manipulate objects (our hands) is terribly unusual.

477 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:07:25pm

re: #476 b_sharp

Given the ease with which amino acids, sugars and even alcohol can be produced in space (we have evidence of vast clouds of them) the likelihood of life on other planets is pretty high. What isn't so high is the likelihood that life would become technological. Intelligence isn't a guaranteed outcome of evolution, nor is the development of complex language. It may be the confluence of intelligence, language and ability to finely manipulate objects (our hands) is terribly unusual.

Given the ridiculous vastness of space, terribly unusual is a lot.

478 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:07:42pm

re: #462 HappyWarrior

There's a starman waiting in the sky and he'd like to come and meet us but he thinks he'll blow our minds.

Whoa. Pass the spliff man.

479 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:17pm

re: #455 Kragar

BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours

I hope the judge still hauls his ass into court.

480 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:31pm

re: #471 Varek Raith

Watch out for the probes!

What, and take away all the fun?

481 simoom  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:37pm

From the noon Romney rally:

482 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:08:55pm

re: #480 b_sharp

What, and take away all the fun?

He'll never dodge them all.

483 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:09:14pm

re: #463 Targetpractice

OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.

484 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:09:21pm

re: #481 simoom

From the noon Romney rally:

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And let me guess Mitt is repeatedly the bullshit lie that Obama wants us to be more like Europe which is hilarious given the growth of austerity policies in Europe that Mitt supports.

485 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:09:58pm

re: #476 b_sharp

Given the ease with which amino acids, sugars and even alcohol can be produced in space (we have evidence of vast clouds of them) the likelihood of life on other planets is pretty high. What isn't so high is the likelihood that life would become technological. Intelligence isn't a guaranteed outcome of evolution, nor is the development of complex language. It may be the confluence of intelligence, language and ability to finely manipulate objects (our hands) is terribly unusual.

Which means it's just a probability and until such a discovery is made that's all it will remain.

486 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10:15pm

re: #483 Daniel Ballard

OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.

In ur Oort cloud chucking rocks at ur planet!

487 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10:25pm

re: #475 HappyWarrior

I hate to sound crass but Ann Romney comes off really mean-spurted there. Totally disregards the women's health issues. She's going to be in for a surprise when women reject her husband's bullshit by a large margin in November.

^Fruedian slip?

488 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:10:50pm

re: #483 Daniel Ballard

OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.

We're the galactic equivalent of a rural backwater, a barely civilized species that hasn't made it past its own moon. I'm pretty sure any aliens who might be watching us are curious as to how we've managed to avoid nuking ourselves out of existence so far.

489 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:11:03pm

re: #478 b_sharp

Whoa. Pass the spliff man.

Don't you know Bowie?

490 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:11:34pm

re: #487 b_sharp

^Fruedian slip?

Hahaha not at all.

491 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:12:12pm

re: #477 Varek Raith

Given the ridiculous vastness of space, terribly unusual is a lot.

“Scientists have calculated that the chances of something so patently absurd actually existing are millions to one. But magicians have calculated that million-to-one chances crop up nine times out of ten."

492 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:12:15pm

re: #320 ShaunP

This again?

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Uhm...really? Romney doesn't use a teleprompter?

[Link: motherjones.tumblr.com...]

And how does Grassley manage TelePrompTer but can not w/o or Obama? A senator with a 4th grade reading level. Even Ann Romney spoke above him.

Idiot.

493 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:12:39pm

re: #483 Daniel Ballard

OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.

We're likely a bacterial culture on some alien's petri dish.

494 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:13:02pm

re: #492 Joanne (JustJay)

Uhm...really? Romney doesn't use a teleprompter?

[Link: motherjones.tumblr.com...]

And how does Grassley manage TelePrompTer but can not w/o or Obama? A senator with a 4th grade reading level. Even Ann Romney spoke above him.

Idiot.

Man what an idiot Romney is for using a teleprompter.//

495 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:13:30pm

re: #488 Targetpractice

We're the galactic equivalent of a rural backwater, a barely civilized species that hasn't made it past its own moon. I'm pretty sure any aliens who might be watching us are curious as to how we've managed to avoid nuking ourselves out of existence so far.

One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?

496 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:10pm

re: #472 simoom

Unusual local interview with Ann Romney where she's there to basically do "Yay women!" but then is asked repeatedly about specific women-related policies:

[Link: m.kwqc.com...]

Sorry, Ann, but a "brighter future for my children" first and foremost involves them having autonomy over their own bodies.

497 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:20pm

re: #455 Kragar

BREAKING: Ohio Secretary Of State Backs Down, Allows Local Officials To Set Early Voting Hours

498 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:24pm

re: #495 Daniel Ballard

One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?

Not sure, but near enough is highly unlikely.
Unless we cheat relativity somehow.

499 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:14:59pm

Coming up next.

Gluten.

500 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:15:07pm

Romney On Omitting U.S. Troops From RNC Speech: ‘You Talk About Things You Think Are Important’

BAIER: To hear several speakers in Charlotte … they were essentially saying that you don’t care about the U.S. military because you didn’t mention U.S. troops and the war in Afghanistan in your nomination acceptance speech. … Do you regret opening up this line of attack, now a recurring attack, by leaving out that issue in the speech.

ROMNEY: I only regret you’re repeating it day in and day out. When you give a speech you don’t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important and I described in my speech, my commitment to a strong military unlike the president’s decision to cut our military. And I didn’t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing.

You thought wrong.

Please, keep talking. It makes you look worse.

501 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:15:18pm

re: #495 Daniel Ballard

One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?

Think the theory that intelligent species have a tendency to wipe themselves out may very likely be right.

502 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:15:25pm

re: #292 Kragar

GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’

Oh Steven, I liken you to maggots. And I think that is a knock on maggots.

503 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:11pm

re: #368 dragonfire1981

I was born in Canada. I am currently a legal resident of the U.S.
If all goes well, I should be a naturalized citizen by the end of next year.

And I am going the other way. I should be a permanent Canadian resident within a month or so.

504 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:14pm

re: #498 Varek Raith

Not sure, but near enough is highly unlikely.
Unless we cheat relativity somehow.

Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.

//

505 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:14pm

re: #467 Kragar

The Galactic Institutes will get a laugh out of that.

Image: sGOZH.png
"During my Cycle, your 'Galactic Institutes' were barely minnows in the ocean."

506 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:17pm

re: #485 Gus

Which means it's just a probability and until such a discovery is made that's all it will remain.

Yes. That's true, but it takes all the fun out of speculation.

507 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:18pm

re: #497 Lidane

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The nutcases are going to hate him for apologizing.

508 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:16:59pm

A quick poll of about 10 Veterans has produced a 100% agreement that talking about the military does not equal talking about the troops.

509 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:17:01pm

re: #504 Targetpractice

Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.

//

For all of 14 years.
October 23, 2077.

510 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:17:41pm

re: #498 Varek Raith

The reason I think the government has no evidence of anyone else is the NASA budget, even with the black AF programs totaled in. If the gov really thought there was anyone coming to visit ever, they would have a way bigger space budget.

A Penney For NASA! (One whole percent of the budget)

511 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:03pm

re: #509 Varek Raith

For all of 14 years.
October 23, 2077.

Well, by then we'll have colonies on other planets and then Earth can blast itself back to the Stone Age if it chooses.

512 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:09pm

re: #506 b_sharp

Yes. That's true, but it takes all the fun out of speculation.

I know. I'm sensitive to that. ;)

513 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:24pm

re: #504 Targetpractice

Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.

//

Got to make sure you've got a Gellar Field or the warp will destroy you.

514 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:18:36pm

re: #292 Kragar

GOP Congressman Tells Voters That Comparing Immigrants To Dogs Was Really A ‘Compliment’

On a related note, Mitt Romney just endorsed Steve King:

515 Daniel Ballard  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:19:34pm

re: #501 Targetpractice

Add up dangerous weapons, solar flares, asteroids and volcanoes and you are very likely right. Of course if we add "not self destructive" as a criteria for intelligence it might be a more accurate term. :-)

516 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:20:54pm

re: #509 Varek Raith

Well, we should have already experienced the Eugenics Wars (or have we, but not known about it?)/

517 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:21:14pm

re: #515 Daniel Ballard

Add up dangerous weapons, solar flares, asteroids and volcanoes and you are very likely right. Of course if we add "not self destructive" as a criteria for intelligence it might be a more accurate term. :-)

It would help our chances if we were more interested in getting off this mud ball than plundering it for everything we can.

518 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:21:27pm

re: #514 Lidane

On a related note, Mitt Romney just endorsed Steve King:

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"I'm looking here at Steve King," Romney declared about halfway through his speech. "He needs to be your Congressman again. I want him as my partner in Washington!"
Nice going asshole, groveling to one of the biggest bigoted assholes in Congress.

519 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:21:57pm

re: #515 Daniel Ballard

Speaking of solar flares - this is one amazing video/photo of a recent CME:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

520 efuseakay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:22:19pm

re: #173 erik_t

Rabble rabble. You damned whipper-snappers have no idea how much work was involved in keeping an older vehicle in working order, and how much slop and daily pain-in-the-ass was accepted in the older definition of 'working order'.

Remember flooding engines? Remember a quarter-circle of play in the steering? Remember brake fade? Remember cars that broke down? Remember tune-ups every few thousand miles? Remember points!?

GAAAAAAAAH.

Carburetors!

521 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:23:42pm

re: #488 Targetpractice

We're the galactic equivalent of a rural backwater, a barely civilized species that hasn't made it past its own moon. I'm pretty sure any aliens who might be watching us are curious as to how we've managed to avoid nuking ourselves out of existence so far.

Stanislav Lem wrote a lot of funny sci-fi stories that flip human conceits on their head. One running theme was that most aliens species found humans absolutely horrifying, and felt that no proper lifeform would be built of mucus bubble filled with water. In one, an alien gives a lengthy explanation to a sort of universal parliament about how humans are tragic abominations borne out of improper hygiene--the biogenesis on Earth amounting to little more than a malicious prank by a low-order functionary on a starship. Biogenesis is apparently a popular malicious prank, because the parliament has an established system for coping, including the provision of cosmic alimony to the sad, never-to-be-taken-seriously human race.

522 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:23:46pm

Can't wait to see Mitt appear with Joe Walsh and tell us how he's happy to support Walsh and how Walsh will be an important ally for him in Congress.

523 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:24:38pm

re: #495 Daniel Ballard

One thing about the Drake equation, is there a factor for timing? Say over the course of a few billion years what would the odds be of two technical species being near enough to each other to overhear radio at the same time, or epoch?

I don't think so, although I haven't look at it in years, there are too many assumptions involved.

The universe has been around for ~13-14bil. We've been around for about 200years. Even if you limit intelligence to second gen or later stars that a lot of time and space for any kind of overlap.

Mind you an intelligent space faring culture would likely have sent out self-replicating probes to look for other planets so if there was any culture like that more than say 500,000 years ago in our galaxy we should have run across evidence of their machines.

524 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:25:04pm

re: #499 Gus

Coming up next.

Gluten.

No.

525 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:25:35pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Downding not for Thanos, but for the speech. I found it a clot of excuse making, big government follies, and mischarecterization of Mitt Romney.

Downding for you. The speech was actually pretty on target, little to fault him for.

Obama did tout Clean Coal and seems to easy on carbon fuels, but did dismiss the idiots who think it's a hoax. So a C+ on that subject.

526 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:25:50pm

re: #523 b_sharp

I don't think so, although I haven't look at it in years, there are too many assumptions involved.

The universe has been around for ~13-14bil. We've been around for about 200years. Even if you limit intelligence to second gen or later stars that a lot of time and space for any kind of overlap.

Mind you an intelligent space faring culture would likely have sent out self-replicating probes to look for other planets so if there was any culture like that more than say 500,000 years ago we should have run across evidence of their machines.

...

527 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:26:30pm

re: #519 lawhawk

Speaking of solar flares - this is one amazing video/photo of a recent CME:

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

[Link: sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

528 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:26:49pm

re: #525 Kronocide

Downding for you. The speech was actually pretty on target, little to fault him for.

Obama did tout Clean Coal and seems to easy on carbon fuels, but did dismiss the idiots who think it's a hoax. So a C+ on that subject.

Yeah, he's gonna be like this for the next two months.

529 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:26:56pm

re: #521 The Ghost of a Flea

Stanislav Lem wrote a lot of funny sci-fi stories that flip human conceits on their head. One running theme was that most aliens species found humans absolutely horrifying, and felt that no proper lifeform would be built of mucus bubble filled with water. In one, an alien gives a lengthy explanation to a sort of universal parliament about how humans are tragic abominations borne out of improper hygiene--the biogenesis on Earth amounting to little more than a malicious prank by a low-order functionary on a starship. Biogenesis is apparently a popular malicious prank, because the parliament has an established system for coping, including the provision of cosmic alimony to the sad, never-to-be-taken-seriously human race.

Can't imagine what they'd think of Vogon poetry.

//

530 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:27:12pm

re: #527 Gus

[Link: sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

FYI, that's no solar flare.
I suggest you duck.
:evilgrin:

531 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:27:19pm

re: #518 HappyWarrior

"I'm looking here at Steve King," Romney declared about halfway through his speech. "He needs to be your Congressman again. I want him as my partner in Washington!"
Nice going asshole, groveling to one of the biggest bigoted assholes in Congress.

A bigoted asshole who agreed with and defended Todd Akin with no provisos. Please, someone tell us again about how Akin was out of step with the GOP.

532 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:27:30pm

re: #501 Targetpractice

Think the theory that intelligent species have a tendency to wipe themselves out may very likely be right.

Evolution produces organisms with ESSes of violence, or cooperation or both (the most predominant) so that's probably true.

533 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:08pm

re: #503 Joanne (JustJay)

And I am going the other way. I should be a permanent Canadian resident within a month or so.

Welcome stranger. Let me take you to our leader.

534 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:09pm

re: #530 Varek Raith

FYI, that's no solar flare.
I suggest you duck.
:evilgrin:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

535 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:42pm

SDO Gallery: [Link: sdo.gsfc.nasa.gov...]

On Flickr: [Link: www.flickr.com...]

536 Mocking Jay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:47pm

re: #531 The Ghost of a Flea

A bigoted asshole who agreed with and defended Todd Akin with no provisos. Please, someone tell us again about how Akin was out of step with the GOP.

Amazing how Mitt can call on Akin to withdraw, yet can endorse a guy who backed him.

537 efuseakay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:28:48pm

re: #483 Daniel Ballard

OTOH, we might be the ones every actually intelligent alien species wants nothing to do with.

Since they haven't visited us yet, I think it's safe to say that's already true.

538 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:29:51pm

re: #7 Mocking Jay

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Wow. Greatest ever.

Carmel is an interesting place. Reminds me of this song.

Youtube Video
539 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:29:53pm

Everyone knows that most of the Galaxy will recognize the hyper intelligent, immortal beetle swarms that rise after the fall of man as the only starfaring race to have existed in this corner of the universe.

540 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:30:00pm

re: #514 Lidane

On a related note, Mitt Romney just endorsed Steve King:

[Embedded content]

The most obvious answer to Ben's question, to me anyway, is the same reason they pulled ads in several so called battleground states. They are not gaining support among independents and moderates. Now they have to pander to the most extreme bigoted elements of their party.

541 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:30:10pm

re: #517 Targetpractice

It would help our chances if we were more interested in getting off this mud ball than plundering it for everything we can.

Some of us are Psychlos.

542 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:31:06pm

Image: sun-flare-earth-scale-08312012.jpg

543 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:31:18pm

re: #366 OhNoZombies!

As in Lake Erie Great Lakes?
Because you couldn't pay me enough money to eat a fish out of that lake, much less drink the water.
Or swim in it.

I just had one last week. Walleye is good eating.

544 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:31:52pm

re: #529 Targetpractice

Can't imagine what they'd think of Vogon poetry.

//

Is you haven't read any Lem, I recommend him strongly. He does serious works (like Solaris), but his humorous pieces I actually prefer. Some are just awesomely weird, others are wickedly satirical. I don't think he's ever actually been cited on Futurama, but I'd swear he's an influence.

And as much as I love Douglas Adams (which I do)...Lem does the same weird/funny universe thing better.

545 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:31:54pm

Where's Charles?

546 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:32:26pm

re: #536 Mocking Jay

Amazing how Mitt can call on Akin to withdraw, yet can endorse a guy who backed him.

Not just that buy a guy who says all sorts of bigoted garbage. Mitt and Ryan wanted Akin out because he weakened the chance at a senate majority for them not because they had a genuine problem with what was said. If they did, they would be equally upset at people like Smith, Bartlett, and Mitt's new friend Steve who likes comparing immigrants to dogs.

547 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:32:54pm

Wait. I see he's Tweeted something about 37 minutes ago... and suddenly a new thread.

548 simoom  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:33:15pm

re: #275 Gus

I'm not on board and think this is a dishonest mischaracterization of Mitt Romney.

Transcript:
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

BAIER: A few more things, Governor. To hear several speakers in Charlotte - and I don't think this is jump (?) - they were essentially saying you don't care about the U.S. military because you didn't mention U.S. troops and the war in Afghanistan in your nomination acceptance speech. We understand you went to the American Legion the day before and you talked about the service and sacrifice of the military there. Do you regret opening up this line of attack, now a recurring attack, by leaving out that issue in the speech?

ROMNEY: I only regret you repeating it day in and day out. (LAUGHS)

BAIER: Well I mean, what just came from Charlotte -

ROMNEY: Because when you give a speech, you don't give a laundry list. You talk about the things that uh you think are important. And I described in my speech my commitment to a strong military unlike the President's decision to cut our military. And I didn't use the word troops, I used the world military. I think they refer to the same thing. And of course going to the American Legion the day before during the middle of our convention made a much bigger statement to our military and our troops than the President who did not go meet with the American Legion. I also spoke to the VFW the week before, so I think our American military understands that I am fully supportive of their effort. And unlike the President who we understand from Bob Woodward's book, at least from the excerpts, the President was and the White House part of the author of this sequestration idea that would slash our military. I oppose that idea, think it is absolutely wrong to cut our military as the President is doing.

I love how Baier works Romney's campaign talking point defenses into the premise of his question. /

BTW, here's where Romney referenced the "military" err, troops, in his convention speech. First in his laundry list of digs at the President:

His assault on coal and gas and oil will send energy and manufacturing jobs to China;

His trillion dollar cuts to our military will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs, and also put our security at greater risk;

His $716 billion cut to Medicare to finance Obamacare will both hurt today's seniors, and depress innovation – and jobs – in medicine.

And second in a laundry list paean to American values:

That America, that united America, can unleash an economy that will put Americans back to work, that will once again lead the world with innovation and productivity, and that will restore every father and mother's confidence that their children's future is brighter even than the past.

That America, that united America, will preserve a military that is so strong, no nation would ever dare to test it.

That America, that united America, will uphold the constellation of rights that were endowed by our Creator, and codified in our Constitution.

Both statements are about the scope of our military, and not about the sacrifice and service of the actual men and women deployed around the world.

549 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:33:49pm

re: #504 Targetpractice

Just wait til 2063, we'll have warp drive by then.

//

But will I be able to buy a personal jet-pack?

550 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:33:55pm

Fret not Mitt. You have the brave forces of conservative media broadcasting your message everyday!!!

551 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:35:25pm

re: #543 RayFerd

I just had one last week. Walleye is good eating.

Walleye?

552 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:35:54pm
553 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:36:03pm

re: #534 Gus

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

My new desktop.

554 Eventual Carrion  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:42:22pm

re: #551 b_sharp

Walleye?

Sauger to you north of the border.

555 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:43:19pm

re: #392 The Ghost of a Flea

Holy shit.

Good thing she wasn't raped, for that surely would have been her fault...sluts and dresses and all.

Wow. This is 1950 again.

556 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:46:52pm

re: #425 engineer cat

fucked news this morning features a LARGE headline with a benign and fatherly looking picture of mitt, saying it's about policies, not promises

begs the question of why mitt and paul only made promises and avoided talking about policies

Because if they dared to put voice to their policies, they would be completely wiped out in November, with only the usual 29% who approve of anything and everything GOP. Not a single senior would vote for them. And that would decimate their base.

557 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:48:35pm

re: #432 Gus

She's Canadian. Found out after thinking that she has POTUS potential. Too bad aye?

That would be "eh" unless you're Popeye. ArrArrArr :-)

558 efuseakay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:50:29pm

re: #556 Joanne (JustJay)

Because if they dared to put voice to their policies, they would be completely wiped out in November, with only the usual 29% who approve of anything and everything GOP. Not a single senior would vote for them. And that would decimate their base.

I still think a lot of seniors would not vote for President Obama. Heck, I'll admit. My soon-to-be 90 yo grandmother still refers to "those colored people". Sigh.

559 leftynyc  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:52:08pm

re: #197 Killgore Trout

Ah, ok. Looks like more nonsense. Probably out of context or fake quote. Regardless, I don't think Mitt believes the troops are unimportant. He also doesn't believe America is company and Obama doesn't believe people didn't create their own business. The noise machine makes noise.

To bad for you, it's on tape and with a friendly news outlet.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

560 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 12:55:57pm

re: #446 simoom

The only uncertainty is what the GOP might block tomorrow.

561 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:00:03pm

re: #533 b_sharp

Lead on! :-)

562 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:00:04pm

re: #557 Joanne (JustJay)

That would be "eh" unless you're Popeye. ArrArrArr :-)

Depends on where you land. Newfoundland would accept that pronunciation.

563 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:04:15pm

re: #558 efuseakay

I still think a lot of seniors would not vote for President Obama. Heck, I'll admit. My soon-to-be 90 yo grandmother still refers to "those colored people". Sigh.

We just (10 min ago) ordered a floor for our kitchen, from a guy who doubles as a preacher when he isn't estimating tile. When we settled, he mentioned our ultra-rare Obama lawn sign. So for 15 minutes you had two white 60-somethings arguing a black 30-something into trading his anti-gay/anti abortion problem away so he could vote right. Don't know if he will, but he wanted the sale and he took our Obama swag.

564 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:04:51pm

re: #558 efuseakay

I know. It's a sign of their times. I don't even try to reason with someone who was in that era and can't get out of the mindset. My parents (born in 1900 and 1907) had a similar mindset...one I challenged often. (I was adopted by my grandparents when I was born.) I understood the era, but I couldn't abide.

That said, if they understood what R&R wanted to do to SocSec and Medicare, they would probably not vote at all. I cannot see them voting against those interests. Older people DO care about their children and grandchildren and they want those benefits to be available to their offspring. Most are not as selfish as the GOP wants to think they are.

565 Joanne  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:05:53pm

re: #562 b_sharp

Ok. Ok. Uncle.


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