Romney on Why He Didn’t Mention Troops or Afghanistan: “You Talk About Things You Think Are Important”

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Mitt Romney did not even mention the war in Afghanistan in his RNC speech, and people noticed — even Fox News anchors like Brett Baier, amazingly.

Today on Fox, Baier asked Mitt Romney why he didn’t praise the troops or say anything about Afghanistan, and Romney’s response is yet another measure of how incredibly tone deaf the man is: “When you give a speech you don�t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important.”

Yes, really. That’s what he said, and it’s not out of context — it’s what he meant to say.

BAIER: To hear several speakers in Charlotte � they were essentially saying that you don�t care about the U.S. military because you didn�t mention U.S. troops and the war in Afghanistan in your nomination acceptance speech. � Do you regret opening up this line of attack, now a recurring attack, by leaving out that issue in the speech.

ROMNEY: I only regret you�re repeating it day in and day out. When you give a speech you don�t go through a laundry list, you talk about the things that you think are important and I described in my speech, my commitment to a strong military unlike the president�s decision to cut our military. And I didn�t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing.

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395 comments
1 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:15:26pm

How many more feet does this poor dumbass have to chew off?

2 Kaessa  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:15:39pm

Oh ouch. That's going to hurt.

3 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:16:07pm
And I didn’t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing.

This from the same man who thinks a company is a person.

They aren't the same fucking thing, dumbass.

4 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:16:24pm

"Troops are like my socks; they're on the laundry list... if I put some holes in a few, I just buy some more."

5 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:16:38pm

He's an idiot. I'll say it.

6 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:18:13pm

I'm not going to say that Mitt Romney doesn't care about individuals in the military. He might very well care about them a great deal.

But one of the key jobs of the president is to not repeatedly and painfully tie his or her tongue in knots. Whether or not he means any of the things he keeps saying, even the WaPo Checkers agree that he has in fact said them.

Each of these moronic statements is a contribution to a de facto condemnation of Romney's fitness for the presidency, regardless of his underlying beliefs.

7 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:18:17pm

I swear to fucking God, I've never seen a campaign so tone deaf.

8 Bulworth  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:18:22pm

Well, if he wants a "stronger military" and thinks more spending=stronger, then it would be useful to know why he wants more spending on the military.

9 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:18:26pm

Obama Bounces Up to 52% Approval, 48% to 45% Over Romney

President Barack Obama and the Democratic Party look as if they are getting at least a preliminary bounce from their convention. Today's (Friday, Sept. 7) Gallup Daily tracking update puts Obama's job approval rating at 52%, the highest it has been since May 2011, after the killing of Osama bin Laden. Obama has also moved to a 48% to 45% lead over Mitt Romney among registered voters in the election tracking, up from Obama's 47% to 46% margin over the last nine days. ...

10 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:18:51pm

His plans to send billions to defense contractors on projects the Joint Chiefs said are not necessary proves his commitment to the Military.

Yeah, that is how you support the Troops.

11 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:18:54pm
12 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:19:08pm

Outrageous!
/You didn't build that

13 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:19:12pm

re: #9 Gus

Obama Bounces Up to 52% Approval, 48% to 45% Over Romney

This is a three/seven-day (approval/horserace) tracker. We can expect it to be a lagging indicator.

14 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:19:51pm

re: #13 erik_t

This is a three/seven-day (approval/horserace) tracker. We can expect it to be a lagging indicator.

Meanwhile, Rasmussen has Romney still ahead.

Shocking!

15 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:19:56pm

All he had to do was a simple thank you to the troops. It's not hard, Mitt. I don't think he disrespects the military or its members but do I think he's absolutely clueless when it comes to things like acknowledging them and their sacrifices? Yes, I do.

16 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:20:02pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Outrageous!
/You didn't build that

Except Romney's context (military == troops) makes the statement worse, not better.

Try again.

17 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:20:26pm

re: #4 jaunte

Oh damn. That was really frakking harsh!

18 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:20:46pm

re: #13 erik_t

This is a three/seven-day (approval/horserace) tracker. We can expect it to be a lagging indicator.

I know. Read it though.

19 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:21:28pm

re: #17 celticdragon

Some of my kids are troops.

20 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:21:36pm

re: #18 Gus

I know. Read it though.

I have. Just clarification for those who won't: we can reasonably expect further movement in this direction, both on approval and horse-race.

No bueno for Mittens.

21 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:21:49pm

re: #15 HappyWarrior

All he had to do was a simple thank you to the troops. It's not hard, Mitt. I don't think he disrespects the military or its members but do I think he's absolutely clueless when it comes to things like acknowledging them and their sacrifices? Yes, I do.

It's not like they faced the horror of '60s France.
The horror...the horror..

22 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:22:16pm

I already stated my feelings on this troops/military thing.

23 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:22:59pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

It's not like they faced the horror of '60s France. The horror...the horror..

Ha, I saw that CNN bit and I was like are you kidding me? I mean I know Mitt himself thankfully didn't say that because that would have been really bad but really saying 1960's France was a tough place for a young American to be?

24 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:23:00pm

re: #12 Killgore Trout

Outrageous!
/You didn't build that

He doubled down on the derp instead of trying to gracefully exit the problem. This wound is entirely self inflicted and you don't have to play the Michelle Malkin outrage game to notice that Romney has a stunning lack of ability to empathize with other human beings who are not part of his social set.

25 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:24:55pm
26 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:25:12pm
27 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:25:18pm

Ahhh.. Don't you get it? The reason Mitt never mentioned the Military..
It never even crossed his mind.
To Mitt the USA is just a bigger better Bain Capital to run.

28 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:28:02pm

re: #25 Gus

Emoprog alert!

You know what sucks is Bradley Manning is closer to a household name than that one MoH winner Sal Giunta.

29 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:28:22pm

re: #27 Digital Display

He did mention the military. He didn't mention the troops.

It is really weird that so quickly, we've gone from the GOP being the party of foreign policy, to the Democrats. That the Democrats would be the only ones to bring up the conflicts that we're in is freaking bizarre. It's so topsy-turvy.

30 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:28:22pm

re: #27 Digital Display

Ahhh.. Don't you get it? The reason Mitt never mentioned the Military..
It never even crossed his mind.
To Mitt the USA is just a bigger better Bain Capital to run.

Factory workers/troops, acceptable losses as long as the Company/Military can be seen as successful.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:28:56pm

"The military" also referrs to the weapons systems, the contractors, the administrators, the support personnel, etc.

"The troops" refers to the people who risk their lives, the ones who come home with physical and psychological injuries that the government needs to treat if it wishes to truly "support the troops" and not just hand out more no-bid, cost-plus contracts to defense firms.

32 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:30:55pm

re: #16 erik_t

Except Romney's context (military == troops) makes the statement worse, not better.

Try again.

Look, the military is a customer who pays big money to buy things from corporations run by friends of Romney. Troops are just human resources of the military, not friends of Romney. Mitt has his priorities straight./

33 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:30:57pm

re: #29 Obdicut

He did mention the military. He didn't mention the troops.

It is really weird that so quickly, we've gone from the GOP being the party of foreign policy, to the Democrats. That the Democrats would be the only ones to bring up the conflicts that we're in is freaking bizarre. It's so topsy-turvy.

Yes. The finale to the DNC convention was extremely patriotic. Romney mentioned the "military" and seems to have clarified that he includes "the troops" when he was speaking. He does not however say that the troops are not important. That's a severe twisting of his already tongue tied clarification. This is gotcha politics that many of us on the left complain about.

34 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:31:04pm

re: #29 Obdicut

He did mention the military. He didn't mention the troops.

It is really weird that so quickly, we've gone from the GOP being the party of foreign policy, to the Democrats. That the Democrats would be the only ones to bring up the conflicts that we're in is freaking bizarre. It's so topsy-turvy.

Well, remember Kennedy beat Nixon in part by outhawking him. I really don't think it's that the Republicans have become less hawkish though since McCain was accusing Obama of ignoring Syria at the RNC and Mitt engages in hawkish rhetoric too. It is weird though.

35 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:31:13pm

re: #27 Digital Display

Ahhh.. Don't you get it? The reason Mitt never mentioned the Military..
It never even crossed his mind.
To Mitt the USA is just a bigger better Bain Capital to run.

Mitt's not running for the presidency, he's running for CEO.

36 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:31:49pm

re: #31 Expand Your Ground

"The military" also referrs to the weapons systems, the contractors, the administrators, the support personnel, etc.

"The troops" refers to the people who risk their lives, the ones who come home with physical and psychological injuries that the government needs to treat if it wishes to truly "support the troops" and not just hand out more no-bid, cost-plus contracts to defense firms.

And 'strong military' versus 'weak military' is quite fucking clearly talking about throwing wads of cash in various directions. I am sure all of the servicemen and women at home and abroad would like to be paid a bit more, but I dare say I am not certain that's their one and only concern.

37 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:31:53pm

re: #9 Gus

Obama Bounces Up to 52% Approval, 48% to 45% Over Romney

As much as I love to see that, Gallup has been so freaking erratic, I try not to hang too much on their polling.

BTW Ras has Obama down by 8 today in their approval tracking poll.
I dont trust them at all!

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

That is a 17 point difference in the two polls.
Nuts.

38 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:32:25pm

Mitt's comments are predictably a mixed bag. Leaving out references to the troops that are still fighting in Afghanistan is a big problem. We've got folks fighting and dying there as they try to deal with Taliban and Haqqani and al Qaeda remnants. Not mentioning them, or the WoT is a big omission and a blunder. Treating it as a laundry list item sheds more light on Romney's thinking rather than understanding that it was an omission that he would like to have corrected.

Then, I went back and checked his speech at the RNC. Here's what he had to say about the military:

His trillion dollar cuts to our military will eliminate
hundreds of thousands of jobs and also put our security at
greater risk.

That refers to Obama and supposed cuts to the military (though not quite sure where he gets trillion dollars from and especially since the Congress enacted automatic across the board cuts to the military since Congress couldn't agree on even bigger cuts.

Moreover, it tacitly recognizes that government can create jobs through spending, but it's the type of spending that the GOP disagrees with - Obama would like to spend more on domestic priorities, while the GOP wants the jobs going to defense-related contractors.

I recognize the need to maintain security, but there is a balance that can and should be struck on domestic and military spending.

Getting back to the speech, Mitt follows that with the following:

The America we all know has been a story of many becoming
one. United to preserve liberty, uniting to build the greatest
the economy in the world, uniting to save the world from
unspeakable darkness.

Everywhere I go there are monuments and now for those who have given their lives for America. There is no mention of their race, their party affiliation, or what they did for a living.
(APPLAUSE)
They lived and died under a single flag, fighting for a single purpose. They've pledge allegiance to the United States of America. Taht America, that united America can unleash an economy that will put Americans back to work, taht will once again lead the world with innovation and productivity, and will restore every father and mother's confidence that their children's future is brighter even than the past. That American, that united America will preserve a military that's so strong no nation will ever dare to test it.

Typos are in the Fox Transcript btw. In substance, that passage would seem to reference the troops and their sacrifice in the name of American ideals.

No reference to Afghanistan, but there was a reference to sacrifice of those who have given their life defending the nation.

39 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:32:44pm

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman Gen. Martin Dempsey said in February that he fully supports the Pentagon’s new budget, which incorporates $487 billion in cuts over 10 years, saying it will “maintain our military’s decisive edge and help sustain America’s global leadership.” Dempsey also said the corresponding strategy has “real buy-in” among top U.S. military leaders.

Despite the military’s support for President Obama’s DOD budget, the House GOP decided in its budget released last week to roll back those cuts, claiming the current levels are not sufficient to protect America’s national security.

Today at a “policy summit” hosted by the National Journal, managing editor Kristin Roberts asked the GOP’s budget guy Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) why the Republicans went “against the advice of the generals.” Ryan’s response? They were lying:

ROBERTS: Why did the committee choose to go against the advice of the generals?

RYAN: We don’t think the generals are giving us their true advice. We don’t think the generals believe that their budget is really the right budget. I believe that the president’s budget by virtue of the fact that when he released his budget number of about $500 billion, the number was announced at the same time they announced the beginning of their strategy review of the Pentagon’s budget. So what we get from the Pentagon is more of a budget driven strategy, not a strategy driven budget.

“You don’t believe the generals?” Roberts later wondered, asking Ryan to explain. However, the House Budget Committee chairman dodged, throwing out general baseless platitudes like Obama’s military budget “hollows out defense.”

Yeah, men who've spent their entire lives in the military and make it to the Joint Chiefs can't be trusted to know what they need to keep this country safe.

40 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:32:45pm

re: #37 blueraven

As much as I love to see that, Gallup has been so freaking erratic, I try not to hang too much on their polling.

BTW Ras has Obama down by 8 today in their approval tracking poll.
I dont trust them at all!

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

That is a 17 point difference in the two polls.
Nuts.

I imagine the real numbers are in between Gallup and Ras.

41 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:33:16pm

re: #40 HappyWarrior

I imagine the real numbers are in between Gallup and Ras.

I imagine the real numbers, frankly, have nothing to do with Ras. Although they may happen to be between the two in this instance.

42 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:34:24pm

re: #41 erik_t

I imagine the real numbers, frankly, have nothing to do with Ras. Although they may happen to be between the two in this instance.

I know, when I look at polls though, I tend to distrust the ones that stand out from the others.

43 ShaunP  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:34:28pm

re: #39 Kragar

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

Yeah, men who've spent their entire lives in the military and make it to the Joint Chiefs can't be trusted to know what they need to keep this country safe.

We have bigger problems if the generals in charge are all yes-men...

44 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:35:06pm

re: #39 Kragar

So when Romney said that "he would listen to the Generals" regarding a plan for Afghanistan, what he meant was he would listen to them, assume they are lying, and do whatever suited him politically.

45 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:35:41pm

re: #43 ShaunP

We have bigger problems if the generals in charge are all yes-men...

True and borderline-irrelevant statement is true and borderline-irrelevant.

46 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:35:48pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

Discarding the outliers. Smooth out the trends. Yeah - Nate and RCP both do that with their polling averages and reviews.

47 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:35:50pm

re: #42 HappyWarrior

I know, when I look at polls though, I tend to distrust the ones that stand out from the others.

I wouldn't worry about the polls right now; they are going to be in flux. Give it a week to see the Convention bounce, then another week for things to settle.

48 krypto  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:35:58pm

My favorite is still Mitt's advice to graduating seniors to open a business by borrowing the money from their parents if they have to.

49 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:36:57pm

re: #33 Gus

Yes. The finale to the DNC convention was extremely patriotic. Romney mentioned the "military" and seems to have clarified that he includes "the troops" when he was speaking. He does not however say that the troops are not important. That's a severe twisting of his already tongue tied clarification. This is gotcha politics that many of us on the left complain about.

That clarification doesn't even really exist. I listened to the fawning, miserable excuse for an interview (amazing the guy didn't go down to give mitt a BJ) and Mitt went back to his "corporations are people" position where mentioning a "strong military" means all things at all times to all people involved with the military as far as he is concerned. I actually begin to wonder if he has a form of Asberger's or something.

50 Gus  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:37:09pm

re: #39 Kragar

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

Yeah, men who've spent their entire lives in the military and make it to the Joint Chiefs can't be trusted to know what they need to keep this country safe.

Which is troubling because Ryan is, well, probably right.

51 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:37:17pm

re: #36 erik_t

I am sure all of the servicemen and women at home and abroad would like to be paid a bit more, but I dare say I am not certain that's their one and only concern.

Pay is the least part of it: it is the GI benefits that make up a big chunk of the budget.

Especially now that improved medical care means that more of these wounded servicepeople will need to be cared for. It was cheaper for the Military to just pay off the families a lump-sum life insurance settlement and be shut of it.

And we know what people who run private equity firms do with "excessive" benefits when they take over...

52 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:37:33pm

re: #43 ShaunP

We have bigger problems if the generals in charge are all yes-men...

General Casey: "Didn't I always tell you honey, if I just stayed in place and never spoke up, good things are bound to happen?"

53 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:37:37pm

re: #47 aagcobb

I wouldn't worry about the polls right now; they are going to be in flux. Give it a week to see the Convention bounce, then another week for things to settle.

Oh I am not worried about polls. Just speaking in general about how I view polls. If there's a statistical outlier, generally speaking I am not trusting it.

54 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:37:40pm

re: #33 Gus

I dunno. I'd agree with you, but a friend of mine who's in the military and a Romney supporter is actually really irritated by this, and has said he feels the GOP takes the support of people in the military for granted, and this is an example of it.

Not being of the military persuasion, it doesn't seem like more than Romney's normal inability to express himself in a normal fashion.

55 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:38:48pm

re: #44 Petero1818

So when Romney said that "he would listen to the Generals" regarding a plan for Afghanistan, what he meant was he would listen to them, assume they are lying, and do whatever suited him politically.

Great leaders never listen to their generals...

56 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:38:55pm

re: #50 Gus

Which is troubling because Ryan is, well, probably right.

I don't think so. The pentagon budget Obama proposed isn't all hacky-slashy, but targets systems that the Pentagon doesn't actually want.

Why do you think that Ryan is probably right?

57 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:39:04pm

re: #46 lawhawk

Discarding the outliers. Smooth out the trends. Yeah - Nate and RCP both do that with their polling averages and reviews.

What I like that Nate does is look at history. So when you're reading his analysis, you learn a little something too.

58 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:39:13pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Romney's normal inability to express himself in a normal fashion

This is most likely the objective truth, but his statement scratches at a sore point.

59 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:39:15pm

re: #54 Obdicut

I dunno. I'd agree with you, but a friend of mine who's in the military and a Romney supporter is actually really irritated by this, and has said he feels the GOP takes the support of people in the military for granted, and this is an example of it.

Hopefully he comes to his senses and quits giving them that taken-for-granted support.

60 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:39:36pm

re: #54 Obdicut

I dunno. I'd agree with you, but a friend of mine who's in the military and a Romney supporter is actually really irritated by this, and has said he feels the GOP takes the support of people in the military for granted, and this is an example of it.

Not being of the military persuasion, it doesn't seem like more than Romney's normal inability to express himself in a normal fashion.

I work in an office full of Vets, dems, indeps, and repubs, and every one of them is pissed about this.

61 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:40:19pm

re: #55 Expand Your Ground

Great leaders never listen to their generals...

Mitt can fall back on his own extensive military experience and...

Well, fuck.

62 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:41:49pm

re: #61 Kragar

Mitt can fall back on his own extensive military experience and...

Well, fuck.

Remember back in 2008 when he said his sons were serving their country by campaigning for him in the RV?

63 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:43:32pm

re: #62 celticdragon

Remember back in 2008 when he said his sons were serving their country by campaigning for him in the RV?

The missionary work in late 60s France was scary. You never knew from one day to the next if you were going to be able to cash the check your parents sent you.

64 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:43:48pm

re: #62 celticdragon

Remember back in 2008 when he said his sons were serving their country by campaigning for him in the RV?

Yeah, I do remember that. Sometimes I think Mitt Romney is either that out of touch or that clueless about the words that come out of his mouth. He just has a knack at language that makes him look like a big jerk.

65 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:44:17pm

re: #63 Kragar

The missionary work in late 60s France was scary. You never knew from one day to the next if you were going to be able to cash the check your parents sent you.

Croissants or Crepes on Fridays ;).

66 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:44:52pm

re: #59 Interesting Times

Hopefully he comes to his senses and quits giving them that taken-for-granted support.

Oddly enough, he's not supporting anyone other than Romney on the GOP ticket; he's otherwise voting for Democrats. So I think there's hope he'll come around by election time. He currently occupies that weird position of not believing that Romney is as extreme as Romney is claiming to be.

But the number of people in the military who voted for Obama was basically twice that that voted for Kerry, so I think progress is being made in general, too.

67 Acemarilllion  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:45:18pm

"and I didn’t use the words 'dog strapped to car roof rack for 12 hrs', I used the words 'family trip'. I think they refer to the same thing."

68 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:45:57pm

re: #63 Kragar

The missionary work in late 60s France was scary. You never knew from one day to the next if you were going to be able to cash the check your parents sent you.

Riding your bike around the student protests was sooo just like grabbing the airdrop pallets under fire at Khe Sanh...

// lulz

69 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:46:10pm

re: #49 celticdragon

I actually begin to wonder if he has a form of Asberger's or something.

lol

70 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:47:01pm

re: #66 Obdicut

Oddly enough, he's not supporting anyone other than Romney on the GOP ticket; he's otherwise voting for Democrats. So I think there's hope he'll come around by election time. He currently occupies that weird position of not believing that Romney is as extreme as Romney is claiming to be.

But the number of people in the military who voted for Obama was basically twice that that voted for Kerry, so I think progress is being made in general, too.

Interesting that Obama is making inroads with the military vote more so than Kerry did. I know being a veteran isn't everything to vets but I'm still surprised that Obama has made the inroads he has. You can feel a very genuine respect for them when you hear him talk about our troops talk. He always talks with pride about his grandpa.

71 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:47:05pm

re: #49 celticdragon

I actually begin to wonder if he has a form of Asberger's or something.

Nope, its just ass.

72 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:47:30pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Mitt's comments are predictably a mixed bag. Leaving out references to the troops that are still fighting in Afghanistan is a big problem. We've got folks fighting and dying there as they try to deal with Taliban and Haqqani and al Qaeda remnants. Not mentioning them, or the WoT is a big omission and a blunder. Treating it as a laundry list item sheds more light on Romney's thinking rather than understanding that it was an omission that he would like to have corrected.

Then, I went back and checked his speech at the RNC. Here's what he had to say about the military:

That refers to Obama and supposed cuts to the military (though not quite sure where he gets trillion dollars from and especially since the Congress enacted automatic across the board cuts to the military since Congress couldn't agree on even bigger cuts.

Moreover, it tacitly recognizes that government can create jobs through spending, but it's the type of spending that the GOP disagrees with - Obama would like to spend more on domestic priorities, while the GOP wants the jobs going to defense-related contractors.

I recognize the need to maintain security, but there is a balance that can and should be struck on domestic and military spending.

Getting back to the speech, Mitt follows that with the following:

Typos are in the Fox Transcript btw. In substance, that passage would seem to reference the troops and their sacrifice in the name of American ideals.

No reference to Afghanistan, but there was a reference to sacrifice of those who have given their life defending the nation.

Which then leads us right back to whose American ideals. We can look again at the video of Romney and the gay veteran.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:47:49pm

re: #49 celticdragon

I actually begin to wonder if he has a form of Asberger's or something.

He is very skilled and competent in his own way, I just do not see how he is suited to be President of the USA.

74 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:48:04pm

re: #64 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I do remember that. Sometimes I think Mitt Romney is either that out of touch or that clueless about the words that come out of his mouth. He just has a knack at language that makes him look like a big jerk.

He grew up privileged enough to not be careful about what he says, and it shows.

75 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:48:26pm

re: #50 Gus

Which is troubling because Ryan is, well, probably right.

So you think the Generals are lying, and they really do want trillions and trillions more in spending (even without specifying what they'd actually be spending those trillions on)?

Um......yeah. Don't think you're gonna get too many people to agree with you on that one.

76 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:48:39pm

re: #39 Kragar

Paul Ryan: The Generals Are Lying About Their Support For Obama’s Pentagon Budget

Yeah, men who've spent their entire lives in the military and make it to the Joint Chiefs can't be trusted to know what they need to keep this country safe.

Oh, that's good...calling our generals liars.

77 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:49:01pm

re: #70 HappyWarrior

Interesting that Obama is making inroads with the military vote more so than Kerry did. I know being a veteran isn't everything to vets but I'm still surprised that Obama has made the inroads he has. You can feel a very genuine respect for them when you hear him talk about our troops talk. He always talks with pride about his grandpa.

The military vote is more about respect, not necessarily service.

78 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:49:05pm

re: #73 Expand Your Ground

He is very skilled and competent in his own way

On the other hand, Trump has been rich more than once. Insufficient data, if you ask me.

He may be very skilled and competent in his own way, but I sure haven't seen any of those ways.

79 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:49:32pm

Mitt hates the troops so much he's going to Nascar on Saturday instead of visiting out men in uniform.
Romney to attend NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Richmond

Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney is expected to attend Saturday night's NASCAR Sprint Cup Series race at Richmond International Raceway.

According to a schedule release from his campaign on Friday, Romney is planning to appear at the racetrack, where he will participate in pre-race activities. He is scheduled to be in the Commonwealth of Virginia throughout Saturday, beginning with a campaign rally in Virginia Beach.

Outrageous!

80 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:49:44pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

lol

I am actually being honest, though. If we premise that he really doesn't "hate teh troops" or anything silly like that, then what explains his penchant for really, really socially maladroit comments?

The man does not seem able to understand that some things are socially incendiary or patronizing. If he isn't stupid, then what is wrong with him?

81 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:50:07pm

I don't think it's Aspergers. I have Asperger's and I really don't see it in Mitt. I don't know what it is and won't claim to know but I know that as a voter it turns me off.

82 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:50:45pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

I don't think it's Aspergers. I have Asperger's and I really don't see it in Mitt. I don't know what it is and won't claim to know but I know that as a voter it turns me off.

He has a condition called Being A Major Dick Syndrome.

83 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:50:55pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Mitt hates the troops so much he's going to Nascar on Saturday instead of visiting out men in uniform.
Romney to attend NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Richmond

Outrageous!

Said nobody but you ever.

Again.

84 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:51:06pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

He has a condition called Being A Major Dick Syndrome.

Aha!

85 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:51:20pm

re: #80 celticdragon

I am actually being honest, though. If we premise that he really doesn't "hate teh troops" or anything silly like that, then what explains his penchant for really, really socially maladroit comments?

The man does not seem able to understand that some things are socially incendiary or patronizing. If he isn't stupid, then what is wrong with him?

Thurston Howell Syndrome

86 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:51:39pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

He has a condition called Being A Major Dick Syndrome.

See! He does have military experience!

87 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:52:11pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Mitt hates the troops so much he's going to Nascar on Saturday instead of visiting out men in uniform.
Romney to attend NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Richmond

Outrageous!

He's there to kiss some babies and to knock over some traffic cones. Or is it the other way around?

88 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:52:17pm

re: #86 Kragar

See! He does have military experience!

Paul Ryan was Brigadier General Dick.

89 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:52:40pm

re: #88 erik_t

Paul Ryan was Brigadier General Dick.

I thought he was General Nuisance?

90 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:52:57pm

re: #87 Decatur Deb

He's there to kiss some babies and to knock over some traffic cones. Or is it the other way around?

Depends on the software package he has that day...

91 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:53:12pm

re: #71 Kragar

Nope, its just ass.

This is how dehumanizing opponents works. Once people ingest enough stuff about how their opponents lack basic human feelings or thoughts these theories about mental deficiencies, sociopathic disorders or just plain evil intent become more credible. Look no further than what the wingnuts did with Obama.

92 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:53:14pm

re: #89 Kragar

I thought he was General Nuisance?

Iron Man.

93 leftynyc  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:53:26pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Mitt hates the troops so much he's going to Nascar on Saturday instead of visiting out men in uniform.
Romney to attend NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Richmond


Outrageous!

Nobody said he hates the troops (putting words in other's mouths is very bad form) - he's given zero indication he respects them very much, in my opinion.

94 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:54:13pm

re: #89 Kragar

I thought he was General Nuisance?

Paul Ryan is just Corporal Punishment.

95 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:54:53pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

This is how dehumanizing opponents works. Once people ingest enough stuff about how their opponents lack basic human feelings or thoughts these theories about mental deficiencies, sociopathic disorders or just plain evil intent become more credible. Look no further than what the wingnuts did with Obama.

Maybe so, which is why I tried to give you a real answer that assumes he isn't just being a dick for the hell of it.

He just doesn't seem to understand that his answer made him look even more like a dick. :(

96 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:54:59pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

This is how dehumanizing opponents works. Once people ingest enough stuff about how their opponents lack basic human feelings or thoughts these theories about mental deficiencies, sociopathic disorders or just plain evil intent become more credible. Look no further than what the wingnuts did with Obama.

Lol.
Calling someone an ass is not dehumanizing them.
I can be quite the jerk for example.
Jerk.
;)

97 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:55:03pm

Welp, here we go. Gotta go wear teabags on my head and chant about the tree of liberty needing watering, or some dumb shit, because I think Mitt Romney is a tactless ass.

98 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:55:33pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Mitt hates the troops so much he's going to Nascar on Saturday instead of visiting out men in uniform.
Romney to attend NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Richmond

Outrageous!

Okaaay....if you say so....

99 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:55:38pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

This is how dehumanizing opponents works. Once people ingest enough stuff about how their opponents lack basic human feelings or thoughts these theories about mental deficiencies, sociopathic disorders or just plain evil intent become more credible. Look no further than what the wingnuts did with Obama.

You mean like how I picture you as a Rube Goldberg machine whose inputs are controlled by a pigeon coop whose feeding habits set in motion a system of hydraulics and pulleys which end up as your keyboard inputs?

Like that?

100 efuseakay  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:55:50pm

Romney is from the club that reaps the rewards (ie. natural resources) gained by the sacrifices of the "little people".

101 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:56:03pm

re: #79 Killgore Trout

Mitt hates the troops so much he's going to Nascar on Saturday instead of visiting out men in uniform.
Romney to attend NASCAR Sprint Cup race at Richmond

Outrageous!

huh?

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:56:09pm

re: #80 celticdragon

I am actually being honest, though. If we premise that he really doesn't "hate teh troops" or anything silly like that, then what explains his penchant for really, really socially maladroit comments?

The man does not seem able to understand that some things are socially incendiary or patronizing. If he isn't stupid, then what is wrong with him?

Because he didn't actually say he doesn't think the troops are not important. Just because you imagine it doesn't make this a real story.

103 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:56:22pm

re: #99 Kragar

You mean like how I picture you as a Rube Goldberg machine whose inputs are controlled by a pigeon coop whose feeding habits set in motion a system of hydraulics and pulleys which end up as your keyboard inputs?

Like that?

104 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:56:23pm

re: #96 Varek Raith

Being an ass is part of the human condition, and so is picking a leader who might not be quite as much of an ass as the other guy.

105 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:56:50pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Because he didn't actually say he doesn't think the troops are not important. Just because you imagine it doesn't make this a real story.

Nobody claimed he said that. Straw man.

106 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:57:05pm

On a serious note, they said Jefferson may have had Asperger's. I actually kind of buy that a little.

107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:57:13pm

re: #99 Kragar

You mean like how I picture you as a Rube Goldberg machine whose inputs are controlled by a pigeon coop whose feeding habits set in motion a system of hydraulics and pulleys which end up as your keyboard inputs?

Like that?

Exactly.

108 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:57:25pm

re: #93 leftynyc

Nobody said he hates the troops (putting words in other's mouths is very bad form) - he's given zero indication he respects them very much, in my opinion.

Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear from the answer he gave that he doesn't hate the troops so much as consider them less important than the military as a whole. He's one of those Republicans who think that showing "support" for the troops means pushing for increased defense funding.

109 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:57:45pm

re: #106 HappyWarrior

On a serious note, they said Jefferson may have had Asperger's. I actually kind of buy that a little.

I thought that was Lincoln.

110 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:57:48pm

re: #107 Killgore Trout

Exactly.

Just checking.

111 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:58:29pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

I thought that was Lincoln.

I thought Lincoln was supposed to have depression.

112 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:58:38pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

This is how dehumanizing opponents works. Once people ingest enough stuff about how their opponents lack basic human feelings or thoughts these theories about mental deficiencies, sociopathic disorders or just plain evil intent become more credible. Look no further than what the wingnuts did with Obama.

Oh, bull. The only thing I've ever seen Romney show any emotion about is his family. That's it. Ever. He has not done one thing to show that he actually cares about other people.

113 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:59:14pm

re: #111 aagcobb

I thought Lincoln was supposed to have depression.

Vampire hunting takes its toll.

114 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:59:24pm

re: #112 Sionainn

Oh, bull. The only thing I've ever seen Romney show any emotion about is his family. That's it. Ever. He has not done one thing to show that he actually cares about other people.

C'mon. He probably loves his dog...

115 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 1:59:49pm

Mitt is not a bad guy, I might have voted for him, or at least considered it seriously if I had lived in Massachutsetts in 2002.

But since the start of this campaign, he has said or done nothing to convince me that he is the better candidate. And the more he says and does, the less I am convinced.

116 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:00:14pm

Is there a reason why the RNC was before the DNC? Because strategically, it would have been smarter for them to follow the DNC.

117 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:00:33pm

re: #109 Killgore Trout

I thought that was Lincoln.

I've never heard it speculated about Lincoln but I would be surprised really if Lincoln was on the spectrum. Always heard he was more likely to have a form of depression too. The reason why I think Jefferson is plausible because of his many interests and how he absorbed himself into them. When you read about Asperger's, you read about how people with Asperger's develop obsessions. Plus, while this is certainly not the case for everyone with Asperger's but not uncommon, he struggled with public speaking though he was excellent at writing words.

118 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:00:33pm

re: #111 aagcobb

I thought Lincoln was supposed to have depression.

Famous People with Aspergers Syndrome
They have Lincoln listed under "speculated to have"

119 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:00:35pm

re: #114 Decatur Deb

C'mon. He probably loves his dog...

Uh, Seamus might not be the best example of Mitt's humanity.

120 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:00:53pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

Is there a reason why the RNC was before the DNC? Because strategically, it would have been smarter for them to follow the DNC.

Non-incumbent party holds the convention first by, well, convention.

121 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:01:01pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Because he didn't actually say he doesn't think the troops are not important. Just because you imagine it doesn't make this a real story.

He pretty much did just that, however. It feeds right back into "corporations are people", but in this case he basically went here:

"The military is also the troops and when I say I want a strong military then I want all good things at all times for people, places and machines associated with the military. Does that about cover it?"

It is a souless, bullshit answer utterly unworthy of the Commander in chief, or anybody aspiring to have the job.

122 gwangung  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:01:06pm

re: #108 Targetpractice

Yeah, I thought it was pretty clear from the answer he gave that he doesn't hate the troops so much as consider them less important than the military as a whole. He's one of those Republicans who think that showing "support" for the troops means pushing for increased defense funding.

Which is, as they say, necessary...but not sufficient for support.

It's really the usual sloppy and not very thorough thought process Romney's been showing. Inexcusable in an experienced politician.

123 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:01:37pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

Is there a reason why the RNC was before the DNC? Because strategically, it would have been smarter for them to follow the DNC.

It's being reported as a 'tradition' since the '50s that the incumbent party goes last.

124 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:01:45pm

re: #116 Amory Blaine

Is there a reason why the RNC was before the DNC? Because strategically, it would have been smarter for them to follow the DNC.

Rules are, the party of the incumbent goes last.

125 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:01:58pm

re: #122 gwangung

Which is, as they say, necessary...but not sufficient for support.

It's really the usual sloppy and not very thorough thought process Romney's been showing. Inexcusable in an experienced politician.

I'd argue that Mitt's political experience amounts to a whole two years in office.

126 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:02:05pm

re: #38 lawhawk

Getting back to the speech, Mitt follows that with the following:

...Everywhere I go there are monuments and now for those who have given their lives for America. There is no mention of their race, their party affiliation, or what they did for a living.
(APPLAUSE)
...They lived and died under a single flag, fighting for a single purpose. They've pledge allegiance to the United States of America. Taht America, that united America can unleash an economy that will put Americans back to work, taht will once again lead the world with innovation and productivity, and will restore every father and mother's confidence that their children's future is brighter even than the past. That American, that united America will preserve a military that's so strong no nation will ever dare to test it.

To which I'd have to say (not to you, lawhawk, but to the sentiment expressed by Mitt Romney): SO WHAT?

Lionizing the dead is easy. Tell us what you're going to do for the living. How about the injured and the psychologically damaged. How about the people still deployed in Afghanistan? How about the TBIs and the suicides?

And, frankly, this part:
...will preserve a military that's so strong no nation will ever dare to test it.

is just as alarming as his other "tough guy" posturing on foreign policy. In fact, in the face of modern war it's an insanely backward, jingoistic concept.

127 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:03:00pm

re: #119 Charles Johnson

Uh, Seamus might not be the best example of Mitt's humanity.

OK, his dancing horse, then.

128 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:04:14pm

re: #115 Expand Your Ground

Mitt is not a bad guy, I might have voted for him, or at least considered it seriously if I had lived in Massachutsetts in 2002.

But since the start of this campaign, he has said or done nothing to convince me that he is the better candidate. And the more he says and does, the less I am convinced.

I used to have a generally favorable impression of Romney too; at least more favorable than most Republican politicians. Not any more; I think he's revealed himself in this campaign as a naked opportunist, willing to say absolutely anything to anyone in order to gain power. He had to do this, because the entrenched establishment of the GOP would have shunned him if he showed any sign at all of sticking to his previous principles. And he dove right in, pandering like a madman to the very worst elements of right wing politics.

Nope, whatever respect I used to have for Mitt Romney is long gone.

129 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:04:38pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Famous People with Aspergers Syndrome
They have Lincoln listed under "speculated to have"

Cool, thanks KT, I hadn't seen that ever. I wouldn't be shocked if we had a president especially in the days before mass media that had Asperger's.

130 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:04:59pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Because he didn't actually say he doesn't think the troops are not important. Just because you imagine it doesn't make this a real story.

STOP RAPING, STABBING, AND IMAGINING

131 dragonath  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:06:01pm

Saying Lincoln was autistic is one hell of a projection. I don't see the need to pathologize his personality, especially when he was 100x more rational than anyone who supported slavery.

132 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:06:21pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

I used to have a generally favorable impression of Romney too; at least more favorable than most Republican politicians. Not any more; I think he's revealed himself in this campaign as a naked opportunist, willing to say absolutely anything to anyone in order to gain power. He had to do this, because the entrenched establishment of the GOP would have shunned him if he showed any sign at all of sticking to his previous principles. And he dove right in, pandering like a madman to the very worst elements of right wing politics.

Nope, whatever respect I used to have for Mitt Romney is long gone.

Think Ted Kennedy had it right when he declared that his opponent "isn't pro-choice, he's multiple choice." I honestly don't think anybody outside his family has seen or heard what Romney really thinks about anything.

133 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:06:22pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

He jettisoned many of his declared principals.

134 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:08:03pm

re: #131 dragonath

Saying Lincoln was autistic is one hell of a projection. I don't see the need to pathologize his personality, especially when he was 100x more rational than anyone who supported slavery.

I don't think anyone said Lincoln was autistic. Merely that it's rumored that he did. I don't see it myself honestly.

135 Acemarilllion  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:08:42pm

re: #82 Charles Johnson

He has a condition called Being A Major Dick Syndrome.

Also known as Draft-Dodger-Having-Little-Concern-For-Troops-itis.

136 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:09:31pm

re: #128 Charles Johnson

Yunno, American voters tend to like people who project the image of being sincere and being guided by a clearly defined set of principles.

That was Dubya's great strength, and probably helped him win, especially in 2004: even people who did not agree with his policies wanted someone who seemed to be true to his beliefs and not simply in the thrall of opportunism.

And Mitt has none of that, neither the principes nor the ability to at least project a convincing image of being guided by them.

137 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:10:07pm

re: #134 HappyWarrior

I don't think anyone said Lincoln was autistic. Merely that it's rumored that he did. I don't see it myself honestly.

Not as if we can even diagnose most mental illnesses with certainty in patients who haven't been dead for a hundred and fifty years.

138 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:10:37pm

re: #131 dragonath

Saying Lincoln was autistic is one hell of a projection. I don't see the need to pathologize his personality, especially when he was 100x more rational than anyone who supported slavery.

Autism has nothing to do with being rational (my son is autistic and entirely rational. I am possibly borderline Asberger's, although I learned social rules eventually). The biggest argument against Lincoln being autistic is his sense of humor (reported to be coarse and a bit graphic) as well as his ease in talking to people.

139 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:10:39pm

Honestly, I don't know how to feel about the guy. I think he could have been perhaps a voice of center-right Republicanism but his ambitions I guess have gotten the better of him. What's frustrating for me is to see how he went from someone boasting that he'd be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy to someone who now has an ad done by Gary Bauer accusing the president of forcing gay marriage on the country. As a socially liberal voter, that bothers me especially knowing that Mitt's own father took a lot of flack both politically and religiously when he decided to support the civil rights movement. It just shows that appealing to the base is more important to Mitt than doing the right thing. And you see this with many issues with Mitt if you ask me.

140 JAFO  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:11:25pm
141 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:11:39pm

re: #136 Expand Your Ground

Yunno, American voters tend to like people who project the image of being sincere and being guided by a clearly defined set of principles.

That was Dubya's great strength, and probably helped him win, especially in 2004: even people who did not agree with his policies wanted someone who seemed to be true to his beliefs and not simply in the thrall of opportunism.

And Mitt has none of that, neither the principes nor the ability to at least project a convincing image of being guided by them.

Yeah, I can remember making that argument more than once during the Bush years, when I had fallen in with the rest of the cult of personality: "You may not agree with his beliefs, but you can't argue that he doesn't hold to them." At no time in this election could I have made that argument about Willard and kept a straight face.

142 smirking  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:12:07pm

Mitt Romney really needs to learn to put on a poker face when he's being asked a serious question. He doesn't do himself any favors by smirking back at Baier and looking like he just couldn't wait to respond to the question. And when he does respond, his first utterance is to treat it like a joke.

Holy shit man. Is anyone home in that perfectly coiffed head? Doesn't he know that this kind of crap makes him look like a total tone-deaf out-of-touch tool?

Good God man, Brett Baier is obviously trying to lob you a softball so you can go on record to pacify a friendly audience and you swing and catch nothing but air because you didn't even step into the batter's box. What the hell is wrong with this guy?

Granted, I'm glad he's such a tool, but it's painful to watch at the same time it's so funny.

143 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:12:29pm

Tweety is going to run with this story in a few minutes...

144 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:12:32pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

It just shows that appealing to the base is more important to Mitt than doing the right thing. And you see this with many issues with Mitt if you ask me.

I dare say that Mitt has not consistently and publicly held a single policy position that is out of lockstep with his base.

145 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:13:03pm
146 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:13:17pm

re: #138 celticdragon

Autism has nothing to do with being rational (my son is autistic and entirely rational. I am possibly borderline Asberger's, although I learned social rules eventually). The biggest argument against Lincoln being autistic is his sense of humor (reported to be coarse and a bit graphic) as well as his ease in talking to people.

The ease in talking to people is why I think he wasn't. He was a lawyer who relished in public oratory. In contrast to Thomas Jefferson, a great writer of words but one who didn't excel at nor did he enjoy public speaking. But of course Asperger's effects everyone differently. A lot of people with Asperger's aren't really athletic. I was a pretty good baseball and basketball player when I was a kid. I do have the terrible handwriting though and struggle with eye contact with strangers too.

147 Destro  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:14:47pm

America, seriously, you have this Romney polling almost even with Obama? Really? Get over Obama's skin color and funny African name already and vote for your interests and that means the Democrat.

148 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:15:08pm

re: #140 Big Joe

Bill Clinton-- a good lawyer defending a guilty client

By Dick Morris

bwahaha...

Heh, I'll take Mr. Morris more seriously when he stops claiming that Obama's re-election means the Democrats won't be able to elect anyone for another century. He has no credibility and nothing but grudges.

149 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:15:15pm

re: #140 Big Joe

Bill Clinton-- a good lawyer defending a guilty client

By Dick Morris

bwahaha...

Dick Morris is a degenerate and a hack and nothing more.

150 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:15:22pm

re: #147 Destro

America, seriously, you have this Romney polling almost even with Obama? Really? Get over Obama's skin color and funny African name already and vote for your interests and that means the Democrat.

Pulling even?

Where?

151 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:16:07pm

re: #139 HappyWarrior

Honestly, I don't know how to feel about the guy. I think he could have been perhaps a voice of center-right Republicanism but his ambitions I guess have gotten the better of him. What's frustrating for me is to see how he went from someone boasting that he'd be better for gay rights than Ted Kennedy to someone who now has an ad done by Gary Bauer accusing the president of forcing gay marriage on the country. As a socially liberal voter, that bothers me especially knowing that Mitt's own father took a lot of flack both politically and religiously when he decided to support the civil rights movement. It just shows that appealing to the base is more important to Mitt than doing the right thing. And you see this with many issues with Mitt if you ask me.

I honestly thought that Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney would be a healthy change for the GOP. Someone who was an outlier from the religious right, had compromised with a Democratic legislature, and wasn't caustically social conservative.

He's run away from the center, he's indulged every single nut except Todd Akin (including everyone that agrees with Todd Akin), and decided that racial dog-whistles are just fucking dandy. To say nothing of his veep, his spent his Congressional career obsessed with personhood and rubber stamping Bush's taxes increases.

I'm done with the dude.

152 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:16:29pm

re: #147 Destro

America, seriously, you have this Romney polling almost even with Obama? Really? Get over Obama's skin color and funny African name already and vote for your interests and that means the Democrat.

A TPM editorial pretty nicely boiled down the reality of the current poll numbers: The economy sucks, but so does Romney. Obama may very well set a new standard come November, winning reelection with unemployment over 7.2%.

153 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:16:43pm

re: #129 HappyWarrior

Cool, thanks KT, I hadn't seen that ever. I wouldn't be shocked if we had a president especially in the days before mass media that had Asperger's.

It's an interesting list. One of my heroes, Henry Thoreau, is on the list.

154 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:16:57pm

re: #147 Destro

America, seriously, you have this Romney polling almost even with Obama? Really? Get over Obama's skin color and funny African name already and vote for your interests and that means the Democrat.

I find it amazing that Romney is still in the race, but there are simply 30% or so of the American public who are so bigoted taht they would vote for almost any white candidate over a black one.

Romney just needs to pull together 21% of the rest and he can win it. That is scary.

155 Kragar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:17:12pm

Eastwood: ‘When I Saw The Stool Sitting There, It Gave Me The Idea’

All I can say is thank god they got him out of the bathroom and gave him a chair instead.

156 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:17:17pm

re: #150 erik_t

Pulling even?

Where?

RCP. Somewhat biased, not much. The Gallup and Rassumssen (r-biased) daily trackers have been intertwining.

157 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:18:05pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

It's an interesting list. One of my heroes, Henry Thoreau, is on the list.

That guys was a walking case study of Asperger's.

158 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:19:11pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

RCP. Somewhat biased, not much. The Gallup and Rassumssen (r-biased) daily trackers have been intertwining.

If you're going to put (r-biased) after Ras, why aren't you going to put it after RCP?

Place is a damned joke. Watch Silver if you care about polling updates.

159 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:19:18pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

It's an interesting list. One of my heroes, Henry Thoreau, is on the list.

Yeah it is. There's probably quite a few famous people who had it but Asperger's didn't even go on the DSM until 1994.

160 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:19:42pm

re: #156 Decatur Deb

RCP. Somwhat biased, not much. The Gallup and Rassumssen (r-biased) have been intertwining.

Check Nate Silver over at FiveThirtyEight, he's currently got Obama's chances of winning at over 77%. Right now, it looks like the polls are pretty well locked in and if Romney can't gain the upper hand in the debates, then it's gonna take a major economic downturn to unseat Obama.

161 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:20:55pm

re: #158 erik_t

If you're going to put (r-biased) after Ras, why aren't you going to put it after RCP?

Place is a damned joke. Watch Silver if you care about polling updates.

I did. RCP bias is flattened by the breadth of polls they aggregate. Most of that comes from Ras. Nate Silver is god. Even now he has the Prez only a few points ahead on the popular.

162 dragonath  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:22:41pm

re: #138 celticdragon

Understood. But I am really, really unsure of sticking psychological terms on someone who is considered perfectly normal and an ideal candidate for president by 40% of the country.

He's just unqualified, and that's that.

163 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:22:57pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

I did. RCP bias is flattened by the breadth of polls they aggregate. Most of that comes from Ras. Nate Silver is god.

If you trust wikipedia's citations (I tend to), the place was explicitly founded to bring 'ideological diversity' to a media with 'anti-conservative bias'. This would put them, in an honest world, somewhere south of Fox News.

164 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:23:53pm

re: #151 The Ghost of a Flea

I honestly thought that Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney would be a healthy change for the GOP. Someone who was an outlier from the religious right, had compromised with a Democratic legislature, and wasn't caustically social conservative.

He's run away from the center, he's indulged every single nut except Todd Akin (including everyone that agrees with Todd Akin), and decided that racial dog-whistles are just fucking dandy. To say nothing of his veep, his spent his Congressional career obsessed with personhood and rubber stamping Bush's taxes increases.

I'm done with the dude.

I actually have a friend from college who now does activist stuff for the Dems adn left wing movement who has told me and others dead serious that the first race he ever worked on was Mitt's one for the governor's office. He's probably changed some along the way these past ten years but that shows you how much Mitt has too. I've never seen a political chameleon act like Mitt's.

165 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:24:30pm

re: #162 dragonath

Understood. But I am really, really unsure of sticking psychological terms on someone who is considered perfectly normal and an ideal candidate for president by 40% of the country.

He's just unqualified, and that's that.

I find armchair-mental-diagnosis (especially of the dead and gone) to be profoundly distasteful.

166 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:25:26pm

re: #163 erik_t

If you trust wikipedia's citations (I tend to), the place was explicitly founded to bring 'ideological diversity' to a media with 'anti-conservative bias'. This would put them, in an honest world, somewhere south of Fox News.

Yup. Rasmussen has a massaged likely-voter definition, and seems to warp that towards reality when the race nears closing. Including Ras is the most twisted thing RCP plays.

167 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:25:40pm

re: #162 dragonath

Understood. But I am really, really unsure of sticking psychological terms on someone who is considered perfectly normal and an ideal candidate for president by 40% of the country.

He's just unqualified, and that's that.

I would even go as far as unqualified. I think he just not a very good candidate and not running a very good campaign. Other than that he's he's a normal human being with feelings, emotions and thoughts just like everyone else. The hyperbole is just absurd.

168 funky chicken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:26:18pm

re: #142 smirking

Mitt Romney really needs to learn to put on a poker face when he's being asked a serious question. He doesn't do himself any favors by smirking back at Baier and looking like he just couldn't wait to respond to the question. And when he does respond, his first utterance is to treat it like a joke.

Holy shit man. Is anyone home in that perfectly coiffed head? Doesn't he know that this kind of crap makes him look like a total tone-deaf out-of-touch tool?

Good God man, Brett Baier is obviously trying to lob you a softball so you can go on record to pacify a friendly audience and you swing and catch nothing but air because you didn't even step into the batter's box. What the hell is wrong with this guy?

Granted, I'm glad he's such a tool, but it's painful to watch at the same time it's so funny.

As a military wife and mother of a teenaged son it's not funny to me at all. It's unfuckingbelievably offensive. Otherwise, great post.

169 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:26:35pm

re: #145 celticdragon

Projection.

Another one by Morris:
It’s Advantage Romney After Obama Fails To Move The Needle

He sounds delusional.

170 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:28:07pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

I would even go as far as unqualified. I think he just not a very good candidate and not running a very good campaign. Other than that he's he's a normal human being with feelings, emotions and thoughts just like everyone else. The hyperbole is just absurd.

The entire purpose of the electoral campaign is to find us a leader who is not just a normal human being.

171 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:28:57pm

re: #169 Sionainn

Another one by Morris:
It’s Advantage Romney After Obama Fails To Move The Needle

He sounds delusional.

He's actually faulting Obama for not beating up on Romney more.

I guess that's what he thinks the Dem base really wanted, for Obama to copy the tone of Romney's speech.

172 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:31:27pm

re: #171 Targetpractice

He's actually faulting Obama for not beating up on Romney more.

I guess that's what he thinks the Dem base really wanted, for Obama to copy the tone of Romney's speech.

He;s an idiot. Voters of every political stripe want to hear what a candidate's for more than what he's against. Dick should ask himself why a guy like Reagan had more resonance with the Republican base than Romney or why Obama resonated with the Democratic base more than Kerry. One needs to be more than just against the other guy, he needs to be his own man, and I think Obama did and has been doing that more efficient than Romney has.

173 smirking  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:32:32pm

re: #168 funky chicken

Agreed. Also bad choice of words for me. I didn't mean that his response was funny in the sense that I like to see him treat our troops jokingly, but in a schadenfreude way of seeing a really annoying guy shoot himself in the foot compulsively.

174 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:33:13pm

re: #169 Sionainn

Another one by Morris:
It’s Advantage Romney After Obama Fails To Move The Needle

He sounds delusional.

"Overall, tonight left America with the impression that Obama saved GM, killed Bin Laden, and passed ObamaCare (which most of us don’t like). What a thin, thin record on which to base a plea for reelection."

Romney would have killed GM. Bush failed to kill Bin Laden.
Most of us like most of Obamacare when presented with the individual aspects of it, but seem to have a mistrust of it overall.

And what does Romney have to run on, his record as governor? His tenure with Bain? The Ryan budget? The GOP social agenda?

175 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:33:16pm

re: #167 Killgore Trout

I would even go as far as unqualified. I think he just not a very good candidate and not running a very good campaign. Other than that he's he's a normal human being with feelings, emotions and thoughts just like everyone else. The hyperbole is just absurd.

Normal human beings exhibit empathy, something I haven't seen come from Romney.

176 erik_t  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:33:41pm

re: #174 Expand Your Ground

"Overall, tonight left America with the impression that Obama saved GM, killed Bin Laden, and passed ObamaCare (which most of us don’t like). What a thin, thin record on which to base a plea for reelection."

Onion, right?

Right?

177 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:34:38pm

re: #161 Decatur Deb

I did. RCP bias is flattened by the breadth of polls they aggregate. Most of that comes from Ras. Nate Silver is god. Even now he has the Prez only a few points ahead on the popular.

Rasmussen has a clear republican bias, PPP has a clear democratic bias, many of the others are less clear but all RCP is doing is aggregating other peoples polls. In what possible way can that be biased? Are they intentionally excluding certain polls? They are not doing Nate Silver level analysis, they are just saying "This is what polling currently says."

Ignoring that on a claim of bias is just ignoring facts you don't like.

178 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:35:14pm

Romney has also promised to increase the defense budget far more than the Defense Department asked for, by $2.1 trillion in the next 10 years.

Is that a sign of someone who loves the military so much that he over-gives? Or just more pandering to jingoistic right wing elements?

179 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:35:29pm

re: #160 Targetpractice

Check Nate Silver over at FiveThirtyEight, he's currently got Obama's chances of winning at over 77%. Right now, it looks like the polls are pretty well locked in and if Romney can't gain the upper hand in the debates, then it's gonna take a major economic downturn to unseat Obama.

Basically, unless something happens to change a few "likely Blue" states to "likely Red" in the next two months (which isn't very likely, considering how static the numbers have been), Romney needs to win both Ohio and Florida just to have a chance. If he loses one of those two states, he essentially has to win every other state currently listed as "toss-up"......and most of those toss-up states are currently leaning for Obama.

And even RCP's polling average still had Obama slightly ahead in both Florida and Ohio following the Republican Convention. Not looking good for ol' Mittens.

180 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:35:33pm

Mitt Romney is a spoiled brat all grown up.
He has a mean streak and isn't used to being questioned or crossed.
You see emotion from him when someone says or does something that offends him personally. He displays a condescending smile to cover his anger, but you can see it in his eyes. It peeked through during the GOP primaries. He went on to get real ugly with Newt if I recall correctly.
Wait till the real debates when Mr. President stops pulling his punches.
He won't be smiling, he'll be showing his teeth.

Not presidential material.

181 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:35:41pm

re: #176 erik_t

Onion, right?

Right?

American politics has become a bad parody of itself, often outdoing The Onion.

182 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:38:12pm

re: #180 OhNoZombies!

Mitt Romney is a spoiled brat all grown up.
He has a mean streak and isn't used to being questioned or crossed.
You see emotion from him when someone says or does something that offends him personally. He displays a condescending smile to cover his anger, but you can see it in his eyes. It peeked through during the GOP primaries. He went on to get real ugly with Newt if I recall correctly.
Wait till the real debates when Mr. President stops pulling his punches.
He won't be smiling, he'll be showing his teeth.

Not presidential material.

Is it just me, or does Romney seem to be looking a lot more flustered and less polished recently?

183 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:38:41pm

re: #177 danarchy

Rasmussen has a clear republican bias, PPP has a clear democratic bias, many of the others are less clear but all RCP is doing is aggregating other peoples polls. In what possible way can that be biased? Are they intentionally excluding certain polls? They are not doing Nate Silver level analysis, they are just saying "This is what polling currently says."

Ignoring that on a claim of bias is just ignoring facts you don't like.

Uhhh, I'm not ignoring it, I pick it up every day just after it aggregates the 1PM Gallup changes. Including Rasmussen and playing a bit with the time-frame of the top 6-10 aggregated polls introduces an attenuated r-bias.

184 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:39:11pm

re: #179 JamesWI

Basically, unless something happens to change a few "likely Blue" states to "likely Red" in the next two months (which isn't very likely, considering how static the numbers have been), Romney needs to win both Ohio and Florida just to have a chance. If he loses one of those two states, he essentially has to win every other state currently listed as "toss-up"......and most of those toss-up states are currently leaning for Obama.

And even RCP's polling average still had Obama slightly ahead in both Florida and Ohio following the Republican Convention. Not looking good for ol' Mittens.

Right now, there has to be a major game changer dealt in, an October Surprise for lack of a better term. Even if it's a show-stopping performance in the debates, he desperately needs it. Otherwise, momentum is in Obama's corner and there's little Romney has been able to do about it.

185 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:40:09pm

re: #180 OhNoZombies!

Mitt Romney is a spoiled brat all grown up.

His response to the request for tax returns sums it up: "You'll just lie and distort it, so I ain't gonna and you can't make me!"

And we can't.

186 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:40:46pm

re: #183 Decatur Deb

Uhhh, I'm not ignoring it, I pick it up every day just after it aggregates the 1PM Gallup changes. Including Rasmussen and playing a bit with the time-frame of the top 6-10 aggregated polls introduces an attenuated r-bias.

Yeah, sorry that was supposed to be a reply to re: #158 erik_t

187 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:40:57pm

re: #182 Sionainn

Is it just me, or does Romney seem to be looking a lot more flustered and less polished recently?

He's never had to answer to anyone for anything he's done or said.
That's the problem with living in a rarefied bubble.

188 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:41:06pm

re: #71 Kragar

People with Asperger Syndrome actually care about other people IF the time is taken to explain to them that they did something that hurt someone else. At least that's been the case with my son and a couple of other kids I've known with the disorder. Autistic people have enough misinformation spread about them,knowing what I know about this sort of thing,Mitt doesn't strike me as autistic.

Mitt shows no signs of giving a shit about much besides how things effect him. That's not autism,that's being a sheltered,pampered,spoiled brat.When people grow up in that environment I believe it's harmful on many levels,unless there's an effort to teach a child to give of themselves and their wealth to others without being patronizing. The story of the bullying thing(where he cut the kid's hair off) also really doesn't ring true of people with an autism spectrum disorder,autistic people generally are not ringleaders of a group of kids.

I'll shush now,I just hate it when crappy behavior gets attributed to autism. That degree of disconnect is indicative of many other things(sociopathy or a narcissistic personality disorder of some sort). Or just being an ass,lol. I'm sorry if I seem inartful or overly defensive. We've just been through a tough year with my AS son,alot of crap got thrown at him that he didn't deserve and weren't true. (edited to add the last few sentences)

189 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:41:26pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

Because he didn't actually say he doesn't think the troops are not important. Just because you imagine it doesn't make this a real story.

but,, But,, BUT, BAIN!! Car elevators ,,,, MAGIC UNDIES!!!

190 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:41:48pm

re: #180 OhNoZombies!

Mitt Romney is a spoiled brat all grown up.
He has a mean streak and isn't used to being questioned or crossed.
You see emotion from him when someone says or does something that offends him personally. He displays a condescending smile to cover his anger, but you can see it in his eyes. It peeked through during the GOP primaries. He went on to get real ugly with Newt if I recall correctly.
Wait till the real debates when Mr. President stops pulling his punches.
He won't be smiling, he'll be showing his teeth.

Not presidential material.

Oddly enough, Romney at times puts me into the mindset of Nixon, namely pissed that he has to go through this election at all. That he has to explain himself, has to engage with voters, instead of just running on the weight of his "experience." He's not treating this as an election, he's treating it like a job interview, and unable to grasp that there's more to the presidency than just who you know.

191 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:41:49pm

re: #182 Sionainn

Is it just me, or does Romney seem to be looking a lot more flustered and less polished recently?

Running for office is a lot different when your opponent has the money to counter your constant attack ads.

192 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:42:22pm

re: #187 OhNoZombies!

He's never had to answer to anyone for anything he's done or said.
That's the problem with living in a rarefied bubble.

Really?

Never had to answer to investors ,, board members ,,, partners,,

wow!

193 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:43:55pm

re: #184 Targetpractice

Right now, there has to be a major game changer dealt in, an October Surprise for lack of a better term. Even if it's a show-stopping performance in the debates, he desperately needs it. Otherwise, momentum is in Obama's corner and there's little Romney has been able to do about it.

My two worries were voter suppression and apathy. Many suppression efforts have been booted by the courts, but Pennsylvania was still in place last I looked.

Last thread I described arguing a black Alabama preacher into solidifying his support for Obama. There is resistance out there and if we fail at GOTV, Romney's millions of dollars of media will screw us.

194 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:44:17pm

re: #192 sattv4u2

He made them lots of money.
They liked the answers he gave. Running a business does not equate running a government.

195 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:44:18pm
And I didn’t use the word troops, I used the word military. I think they refer to the same thing.

They don't. The troops work in the military and Romney's references make it explicitly clear that he was talking about the institution, not the people that comprise it. Here are Romney's two references to the military in his convention speech:

His trillion dollar cuts to our military will eliminate hundreds of thousands of jobs, and also put our security at greater risk;

...

That America, that united America, will preserve a military that is so strong, no nation would ever dare to test it.

He's talking about Obama's proposed decrease in projected growth of defense spending and typical conservative jingoistic masturbation about strength. That's how Romney views the military, as a thing to be shown off, not in terms of the people who comprise it. In his mind they didn't deserve to be thanked or appreciated anymore than the workers of one of his acquired companies.

196 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:44:52pm

re: #194 OhNoZombies!

He made them lots of money.
They liked the answers he gave. Running a business does not equate running a government.

It also doesn't equate to what you claimed!

197 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:46:14pm

Beware the lustful cockmonsters!

[Link: deadspin.com...]

"Many of your fans are opposed to such a view and feel it has no place in a sport that is strictly for pride, entertainment, and excitement." Holy fucking shitballs. Did you seriously just say that, as someone who's "deeply involved in government task forces on the legacy of slavery in Maryland"? Have you not heard of Kenny Washington? Jackie Robinson? As recently as 1962 the NFL still had segregation, which was only done away with by brave athletes and coaches daring to speak their mind and do the right thing, and you're going to say that political views have "no place in a sport"? I can't even begin to fathom the cognitive dissonance that must be coursing through your rapidly addled mind right now; the mental gymnastics your brain has to tortuously contort itself through to make such a preposterous statement are surely worthy of an Olympic gold medal (the Russian judge gives you a 10 for "beautiful oppressionism").

Read the whole letter...it's great.

Go Vikings!

198 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:47:04pm

re: #190 Targetpractice

Oddly enough, Romney at times puts me into the mindset of Nixon, namely pissed that he has to go through this election at all. That he has to explain himself, has to engage with voters, instead of just running on the weight of his "experience." He's not treating this as an election, he's treating it like a job interview, and unable to grasp that there's more to the presidency than just who you know.

No, he's not treating it like a job interview. For job interviews you have to have provided documentation, references to be checked, information for background checks, and a host of other things. And most of the time you're doing this in competition with at least one and up to a half dozen other candidates who are doing the same thing.

Actually, let me correct that. I've seen nepotism driven job interviews - whether true nepotism or "he's who we're going to hire but we have to pretend to consider the others." That's the sort of job interview he seems to think he's running, and doesn't get that it's a real job interview instead.

199 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:47:06pm

re: #196 sattv4u2

It also doesn't equate to what you claimed!

Which part?

200 Sionainn  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:47:47pm

re: #198 kirkspencer

No, he's not treating it like a job interview. For job interviews you have to have provided documentation, references to be checked, information for background checks, and a host of other things. And most of the time you're doing this in competition with at least one and up to a half dozen other candidates who are doing the same thing.

Actually, let me correct that. I've seen nepotism driven job interviews - whether true nepotism or "he's who we're going to hire but we have to pretend to consider the others." That's the sort of job interview he seems to think he's running, and doesn't get that it's a real job interview instead.

I don't think Romney has ever had a job interview.

201 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:48:03pm

re: #199 OhNoZombies!

Which part?


He's never had to answer to anyone for anything he's done or said

202 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:48:07pm

re: #193 Decatur Deb

My two worries were voter suppression and apathy. Many suppression efforts have been booted by the courts, but Pennsylvania was still in place last I looked.

Last thread I described arguing a black Alabama preacher into solidifying his support for Obama. There is resistance out there and if we fail at GOTV, Romney's millions of dollars of media will screw us.

I'm not taking anything for granted at this point, which is why GOTV is a major issue. But at the same time, as James pointed out, the number of states that the GOP would have to successfully steal via voter suppression is getting to be a long list. Won't say it's impossible, but it certainly would make the effort all the more nakedly obvious.

203 dragonath  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:48:18pm

re: #179 JamesWI

I was looking at the map on electoral-vote.com from this time, about four years ago. It was really something seeing solidly red states shift over to toss ups when the stock market started to go to hell. Still, it took a near economic meltdown to even push the electorate 5 points!

Can't really see that rebounding to the Republicans now.

I'm kind of glad Obama ended up at the arena last night anyway. Balloons and fireworks would have looked a little silly after such a conservative speech.

204 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:50:47pm

re: #202 Targetpractice

I'm not taking anything for granted at this point, which is why GOTV is a major issue. But at the same time, as James pointed out, the number of states that the GOP would have to successfully steal via voter suppression is getting to be a long list. Won't say it's impossible, but it certainly would make the effort all the more nakedly obvious.

I don't just want to win. I want Romney crushed so thoroughly that he takes up the organ and spends the rest of his life in a Congo medical mission. For the good of his soul.

205 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:50:52pm

re: #198 kirkspencer

No, he's not treating it like a job interview. For job interviews you have to have provided documentation, references to be checked, information for background checks, and a host of other things. And most of the time you're doing this in competition with at least one and up to a half dozen other candidates who are doing the same thing.

Actually, let me correct that. I've seen nepotism driven job interviews - whether true nepotism or "he's who we're going to hire but we have to pretend to consider the others." That's the sort of job interview he seems to think he's running, and doesn't get that it's a real job interview instead.

I kinda expect to see a real meltdown from him the day after if he loses. He'll probably find some way to shore up a bit of dignity for the concession speech, but after that I expect him to get spiteful and angry. "Do they know who I am?!" and all that.

206 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:51:13pm

re: #200 Sionainn

I don't think Romney has ever had a job interview.


Romney was recruited by several firms and chose to remain in Massachusetts to work for Boston Consulting Group (

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

I'll bet dollars to donuts each and every one of those firms interviewed him,, extensively

207 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:52:05pm

re: #201 sattv4u2

Ah, I wasn't talking about business in general. I'm talking about Mitt Romney. Romney was the top dog.
The company's bottom line was his bottom line.

208 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:55:06pm

re: #192 sattv4re: #206 sattv4u2

I'll ask you then,since other conservatives I've asked won't answer me:

What specific things do conservatives have to offer the country that will make things better for the most people? If they repeal Obamacare,what's the alternative they are offering that's so appealing? How are they planning on putting people to work in jobs where you can put in 40-50 hours a week and support a family? Concrete things. Seriously.

209 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:56:31pm

Look. Romney is a great businessman. He knows his stuff in that arena, so
I don't think he's treating the election like a job interview.
It's more like student council or a popularity contest.

210 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:57:43pm

re: #209 OhNoZombies!

Yep,it's like he's in that popular clique and he just doesn't have to try because it's so obvious how awesome he is.

211 dragonfire1981  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 2:59:46pm

re: #209 OhNoZombies!

Look. Romney is a great businessman. He knows his stuff in that arena, so
I don't think he's treating the election like a job interview.
It's more like student council or a popularity contest.

That's basically the name of the game at the executive level. Kiss whatever ass you need to, make yourself the most talked about person at the office by continually reiterating how awesome you are, often by making up stuff.

212 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:00:15pm

re: #208 A Mom Anon

I can't speak for "conservatives", but if your actual question is to what Romney is proposing to do (and I believe that is, ultimately, what you're asking)
[Link: www.mittromney.com...]

213 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:04:00pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

I kinda expect to see a real meltdown from him the day after if he loses. He'll probably find some way to shore up a bit of dignity for the concession speech, but after that I expect him to get spiteful and angry. "Do they know who I am?!" and all that.

Nah. I really, honestly don't think he has the emotional depth for a public outburst.

214 bubba zanetti  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:04:37pm

re: #206 sattv4u2

I'll bet dollars to donuts each and every one of those firms interviewed him,, extensively

And those Big 3 management consulting companies (Bain, BCG, and McKinsey) don't just ask you about what's on your resume. You're given case studies that you have to read, analyze, and answer on the spot. You have to know your stuff and be able to clearly communicate it under pressure.

I'd guess Romney is out of his element.

215 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:04:47pm

re: #211 dragonfire1981

That's basically the name of the game at the executive level. Kiss whatever ass you need to, make yourself the most talked about person at the office by continually reiterating how awesome you are, often by making up stuff.

Yep. And Ryan speaks his language.

216 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:04:55pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

I can't get it to load. I tried earlier too,just to see what he's proposing,I must need some software update or something. I have a really bargain basement laptop here.

Let me rephrase then. What do you personally find appealing about a Romney/Ryan White House? If you do find it appealing or a good thing,that is. Is there a particular thing,or two or five that would make you vote for him?

217 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:06:20pm

re: #213 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Nah. I really, honestly don't think he has the emotional depth for a public outburst.

Every man has his limit. Honestly, I don't know how he'll act if he loses. After all, there have been some nasty races where the two candidates later become friends- Bush/Clinton and Carter/Ford. There's a part of me that likes to think that he could move back to the center some though since his presidential ambitions would be done with.

218 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:07:13pm

re: #216 A Mom Anon

What do you personally find appealing about a Romney/Ryan White House?

Who says I do?

I'm just finding it funny the over the top speculations/ meme's about this guy here now

he's never had an interview,,, he has a maid to tie shoes ,,, he's never had a hot dog without caviar!!

219 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:07:49pm

BBIAB ,,, Doggies need dinner

220 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:08:16pm

re: #218 sattv4u2

Ok then. Nevermind.

221 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:08:30pm

re: #215 OhNoZombies!

Yep. And Ryan speaks his language.

That is, business speak.
Ryan is the guy who is eyeing the keys to the executive washroom.

222 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:08:58pm

re: #212 sattv4u2

I can't speak for "conservatives", but if your actual question is to what Romney is proposing to do (and I believe that is, ultimately, what you're asking)
[Link: www.mittromney.com...]

Look at the graph on page 16 of that document. It has the "Obama recovery" starting in 2007. What a mendacious pile of shit.

223 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:09:46pm

By the way, the anti-war left wing is not happy about all the pro-military stuff at the Democratic Convention. I think it's fascinating how the Dems have managed to turn the tables on the GOP with the topic of defense and foreign policy.

224 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:10:48pm

Guess I need to Start a top ten list for the 2 weeks of Conventions.
I'll need help with the categories..So let the riffing begin..
Most Moving: Gabby leading the pledge of Allegiance.
Words that will be remembered for all time: Empty Chair
Speech given for the soul purpose of winning a position in Obama's second term: It's a Tie! The Gov. of Montana or Gov. Grisholm
Best production : Dems by a mile
Best Videos: Dem's.. Tom Hanks put it over the top.
Best Coverage: All the major networks failed. C-Span allowed me to see everything the talking head were jabbering over.

225 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:13:37pm

Sunday news shows skew too conservative, media group says

Do the Sunday news shows skew too far to the right? A new study by a media watchdog group says yes.

Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting (FAIR), a New York-based liberal organization, says that NBC's "Meet the Press," CBS' "Face the Nation," ABC's "This Week" and "Fox News Sunday" are "failing miserably" at getting diverse guests.

"[F]rom June 2011 through February 2012, FAIR found a distinct conservative, white and male skew" on the shows. Eighty-six percent of the guests booked for one-on-one interviews were male and 92% were white, FAIR says. Of the guests who were identified as having a partisan affiliation, 70% were Republican.

226 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:14:37pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

The "Obama Recovery" note is for the "jobs added 24 months following" a recession (the graph # in blue,,, NOT the start of the recession in 07 which is in red)

227 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:15:49pm

re: #222 goddamnedfrank

re: #226 sattv4u2

The "Obama Recovery" note is for the "jobs added 24 months following" a recession (the graph # in blue,,, NOT the start of the recession in 07 which is in red)

((see the note in the box of the bottom left of the same page))

228 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:16:20pm

BBIAB

229 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:16:57pm

re: #220 A Mom Anon

Ok then. Nevermind.

I appalud your effort to have a real conversation. I personally can't defend Mitt's economic plans but maybe I can find an article that reasonably explains the appeal Mitt may have to some people. Give me a second or two.

230 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:18:32pm

re: #220 A Mom Anon

re: #229 Killgore Trout

I appalud your effort to have a real conversation.

seconded

231 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:20:16pm

re: #229 Killgore Trout

I appalud your effort to have a real conversation. I personally can't defend Mitt's economic plans but maybe I can find an article that reasonably explains the appeal Mitt may have to some people. Give me a second or two.

Given that you used the words 'reasonably explains' I humbly suggest you request more time than a second or two. ;)

232 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:20:17pm

Did it rain in Charlotte yesterday?

233 OhNoZombies!  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:21:26pm

re: #232 Amory Blaine

Did it rain in Charlotte yesterday?

Yep.

234 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:21:29pm

re: #223 Charles Johnson

By the way, the anti-war left wing is not happy about all the pro-military stuff at the Democratic Convention. I think it's fascinating how the Dems have managed to turn the tables on the GOP with the topic of defense and foreign policy.

I really think they've learned from past mistakes and done a nice job while at the same time becoming more progressive as a party as a whole. I can still remember President Obama giving Giunta the CMOH and that lunatic Fischer claiming that the fact that Giunta just saved lives somehow "feminized" the Medal of Honor. And you can hear the pride in Obama's voice talking about his WWII veteran grandfather. It's something that we can all relate to because most of us have a grandparent, parent, or relative that was in the service at one point.

235 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:21:36pm

re: #232 Amory Blaine

Did it rain in Charlotte yesterday?

You mean during the speech or just the day in general?

236 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:21:54pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

You mean during the speech or just the day in general?

In general.

237 Amory Blaine  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:23:28pm

re: #233 OhNoZombies!

Yep.

I thought so. Since they knew months in advance..

238 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:25:39pm

re: #236 Amory Blaine

In general.

Poured in the hours before, but I've not seen anything about during the speech itself. Considering the lack of coverage on that front, my guess is either it did or there was enough of a threat that it would that justify the caution on the part of the convention staff.

239 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:26:59pm

KILGORE

Your frogs have competition!!

Fish Mating Call Blamed For Loud Humming Sound that is keeping a portion of West Seattle residents awake at night.

[Link: seattle.cbslocal.com...]

240 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:28:05pm

re: #231 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

Given that you used the words 'reasonably explains' I humbly suggest you request more time than a second or two. ;)

LOL. You're right. Christian Science Monitor had an article a few months back explaining Mitt's economic vision in reasonably fair terms but I can't find it now.The problem is that if you get Mitt's opinions from MSNBC or Think Progress you can get a pretty warped idea about what Mitt's positions actually are (eg. He thinks troops are unimportant). I Can't find the CSM article but Mitt's proposed economic plans are basically old retreads of fiscal conservatism which still has appeal to a lot of people.

241 William of Orange  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:28:20pm

Oh my! This is so violent!

Clint Eastwood kicking.... a chair!

242 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:29:09pm

re: #237 Amory Blaine

I thought so. Since they knew months EONS in advance..

mid to late afternoon thunder storms are normal throughout the south/ southeast this time of year

Like clockwork, here in Atlanta we get one at least 4 days a week (or at the very least the threat of one), Was the same when I lived in Greensboro NC

243 allegro  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:30:06pm

re: #178 Charles Johnson

Romney has also promised to increase the defense budget far more than the Defense Department asked for, by $2.1 trillion in the next 10 years.

Is that a sign of someone who loves the military so much that he over-gives? Or just more pandering to jingoistic right wing elements?

I see it as further lining of his 1% buddies in the defense industry where he likely has investments as well. I see dollar signs and profit motive in EVERYTHING he says and does. This just looks like more of it because otherwise it makes no sense at all.

244 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:30:25pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

LOL. You're right. Christian Science Monitor had an article a few months back explaining Mitt's economic vision in reasonably fair terms but I can't find it now.The problem is that if you get Mitt's opinions from MSNBC or Think Progress you can get a pretty warped idea about what Mitt's positions actually are (eg. He thinks troops are unimportant). I Can't find the CSM article but Mitt's proposed economic plans are basically old retreads of fiscal conservatism which still has appeal to a lot of people.

Appeal to who? And why? I'm sure the rich love his ideas of further tax cuts and deregulation, but for the rest of us, it's just "more of the same."

245 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:30:54pm

re: #239 sattv4u2

KILGORE

Your frogs have competition!!

Fish Mating Call Blamed For Loud Humming Sound that is keeping a portion of West Seattle residents awake at night.

[Link: seattle.cbslocal.com...]

Damn, never heard of that before. As a teen I lived near a lake in VA. In the winter when it would freeze the ice sheets would squeak against each other. Very eerie and sometimes very loud some nights. Sounded kind of like whale songs.

246 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:32:14pm

re: #245 Killgore Trout

Damn, never heard of that before. As a teen I lived near a lake in VA. In the winter when it would freeze the ice sheets would squeak against each other. Very eerie and sometimes very loud some nights. Sounded kind of like whale songs.

Oh hell yeah

I've been on the docks in Portland Maine getting ready to take a ferry over to an island off it's coast and would see/ hear the same sound

247 Patricia Kayden  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:36:31pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

I don't just want to win. I want Romney crushed so thoroughly that he takes up the organ and spends the rest of his life in a Congo medical mission. For the good of his soul.

Ha. Yes, a good old fashioned crushing would be nice. But I can't imagine him going to the Congo.

Why does Romney have such a hard time communicating without putting a foot in his mouth? Even when he's talking to the extremely supportive folks at Fox News? How is he going to handle debates?

248 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:37:47pm

re: #244 Targetpractice

Appeal to who? And why? I'm sure the rich love his ideas of further tax cuts and deregulation, but for the rest of us, it's just "more of the same."

I think a lot of people believe that the tax cuts will stimulate the economy enough to make up for the revenue loss.
The one area where the fiscal conservatives do have a decent point is deficit reduction. As the economic crisis passes something needs to be done about revenue and spending. Something that neither side is very serious about. We will need to control spending as well as raise revenues, I don;t think either side has a very good plan and bipartisan cooperation is out of the question.
Energy policy is another area where I don;t think either side has a very good or realistic plan.
Populism and pandering mixed with very complex issues with tough choices does not end well.

249 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:39:17pm

re: #246 sattv4u2

Oh hell yeah

I've been on the docks in Portland Maine getting ready to take a ferry over to an island off it's coast and would see/ hear the same sound

I just missed you this morning. What are you taking pain meds for? Everything OK?

250 freetoken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:39:17pm

As we're in the last week of net loss of ice melt in the Arctic, here's a 30 day GIF of ice thickness:

Image: arcticictn_nowcast_anim30d.gif

251 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:40:45pm

re: #243 allegro

I see it as further lining of his 1% buddies in the defense industry where he likely has investments as well. I see dollar signs and profit motive in EVERYTHING he says and does. This just looks like more of it because otherwise it makes no sense at all.

I believe it was Stinky Beaumont who said, "Whenever you can't figure out why somebody's doing something, it's the money."

252 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:41:22pm

re: #240 Killgore Trout

The problem is that if you get Mitt's opinions from MSNBC or Think Progress you can get a pretty warped idea about what Mitt's positions actually are (eg. He thinks troops are unimportant).

Romney said not strong arming an agreement maintaining 10 to 30K troops in Iraq was Obama's signature failure. Sure he thinks troops are important, as fodder, to be kept indefinitely in countries hostile to their presence.

253 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:43:58pm

re: #249 Killgore Trout

I just missed you this morning. What are you taking pain meds for? Everything OK?

After getting home from work at 11 a.m Wednesday with a little twinge in my back, I took two tylenols and I tried to go to sleep

An hour later I awoke to searing lower right back pain, so bad I was having trouble breathing

6 hours in the ER they diagnosed me with a urinary tract infection. Antibiotics and pain meds prescribed with a follow up apt with a urologist today

WELL , seems as if the ER missed the FRAKKIN KIDNEY STONES SHOWING on the CT scan they took

Surgery in three weeks

Oh ,, joy!!

254 freetoken  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:44:01pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I think a lot of people believe that the tax cuts will stimulate the economy enough to make up for the revenue loss.
The one area where the fiscal conservatives do have a decent point is deficit reduction. As the economic crisis passes something needs to be done about revenue and spending. Something that neither side is very serious about. We will need to control spending as well as raise revenues, I don;t think either side has a very good plan and bipartisan cooperation is out of the question.
Energy policy is another area where I don;t think either side has a very good or realistic plan.
Populism and pandering mixed with very complex issues with tough choices does not end well.

I'd challenge you on all the points above (except the last one), if I weren't about to leave to go to the gym. In passing I'll just note that there have been bi-partisan plans that have attempted to tackle the deficit issue, that these were more than just flights of fancy, that in the last few years of the 20th century the US was on the path to a balanced budget, that the idea of cutting taxes will reduce the deficit simply because of the "stimulating" effect of less taxes is particularly risible, and that the more wonky policy types in Congress have tried to tackle energy issues in a reasonable manner.

255 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:45:06pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

I think a lot of people believe that the tax cuts will stimulate the economy enough to make up for the revenue loss.
The one area where the fiscal conservatives do have a decent point is deficit reduction. As the economic crisis passes something needs to be done about revenue and spending. Something that neither side is very serious about. We will need to control spending as well as raise revenues, I don;t think either side has a very good plan and bipartisan cooperation is out of the question.
Energy policy is another area where I don;t think either side has a very good or realistic plan.
Populism and pandering mixed with very complex issues with tough choices does not end well.

A lot of people also think that the whole of existence was created in the matter of six days, 6,000 years ago. You can't run a country based upon what the lowest common denominator thinks.
And how many of those "fiscal conservatives" were arguing just 4 years ago that "Reagan proved deficits don't matter"? Sorry, I have little patience for born-again anything, especially people who were spending like drunken sailors when "good times" were here. And raising revenues doesn't mean cutting taxes in the hope that you find the magic number at which revenues increase.

256 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:45:07pm
257 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:45:26pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

After getting home from work at 11 a.m Wednesday with a little twinge in my back, I took two tylenols and I tried to go to sleep

An hour later I awoke to searing lower right back pain, so bad I was having trouble breathing

6 hours in the ER they diagnosed me with a urinary tract infection. Antibiotics and pain meds prescribed with a follow up apt with a urologist today

WELL , seems as if the ER missed the FRAKKIN KIDNEY STONES SHOWING on the CT scan they took

Surgery in three weeks

Oh ,, joy!!

Kindey stone! Ouch!

258 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:46:13pm

re: #257 Killgore Trout

Kindey stoneS! Ouch!

a big one in the right kidney

two small ones in the left

another small one passing/ passed through since Wednesday

259 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:46:25pm

re: #248 Killgore Trout

Something that neither side is very serious about. We will need to control spending as well as raise revenues, I don;t think either side has a very good plan and bipartisan cooperation is out of the question.

Ending the wars and not increasing defense spending is a good plan. Increasing taxes on the wealthy and eliminating corporate tax loopholes is a good plan. Ending the Social Security salary cap on contributions is a good idea. Bipartisan cooperation is out of the question because Republicans would rather hold the full faith and credit of the US hostage to their own bad ideas.

260 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:47:49pm

re: #259 goddamnedfrank

Ending the wars and not increasing defense spending is a good plan. Increasing taxes on the wealthy and eliminating corporate tax loopholes is a good plan. Ending the Social Security salary cap on contributions is a good idea. Bipartisan cooperation is out of the question because Republicans would rather hold the full faith and credit of the US hostage to their own bad ideas.

Bipartisan cooperation is impossible when one side considers "compromise" to be a four-letter word.

261 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:47:50pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

a big one in the right kidney

two small ones in the left

another small one passing/ passed through since Wednesday

Damn. Sorry to hear that.

262 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:48:52pm

re: #261 Killgore Trout

Damn. Sorry to hear that.

Thanks,, but UPSIDE

GREAT drugs!!

263 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:49:08pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

Ouch, sorry to hear that. I have a friend who told me it was the most painful thing he ever experienced, and he's a Marine.

264 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:49:52pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Ouch, sorry to hear that. I have a friend who told me it was the most painful thing he ever experienced, and he's a Marine.

Gee,,, thanks!!!

NOW I have something to look forward too!!!

//

(really ,, thanks))

265 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:50:15pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

a big one in the right kidney

two small ones in the left

another small one passing/ passed through since Wednesday

Yeowch, you have my sympathies. I have it on good (familial) authority that passing those is worse than giving birth. Here's hoping everything goes well.

266 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:50:46pm

re: #262 sattv4u2

Speedy recovery to you. Feel better soon.

267 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:52:19pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

re: #264 sattv4u2

Gee,,, thanks!!!

NOW I have something to look forward too!!!

//

(really ,, thanks))

THE worse was when I had sinus surgery. No, not the surgery itself NOR the recovery

The worse was when they removed the packing (the wad of compressed cotton they stick up your nasal passages)

It was terrible ,, THEN I realized ,, HolY Schnikies,,, HE HAS TO REMOVE IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE NOW

268 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:52:54pm

re: #265 Targetpractice

re: #266 A Mom Anon

Thanks. I'll be thinking of you both!!!
/

269 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:55:49pm

re: #74 jaunte

He grew up privileged enough to not be careful about what he says, and it shows.

I knew a guy like that growing up. and he always walked around with a black eye.

270 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 3:58:07pm

re: #269 Tigger2

I knew a guy like that growing up. and he always walked around with a black eye.

I think Mitts are more hazel!
/

271 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:11:29pm

((was it something I said!?!?!))
//

272 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:13:04pm

This is a bad idea on SO many levels!!

[Link: www.myfoxdetroit.com...]

Tourists paying to help fight Detroit's fires: Is this idea for real?
Don't feel much like a man because you don't get much action? Don't worry because you can now pay to become a Detroit firefighter for a day. Seriously

273 labman57  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:13:05pm

Mitt opted to avoid discussing matters of foreign policy during his convention speech -- even to the point of not acknowledging our soldiers stationed abroad -- after heeding the sage words of his guest speaker, Clint Eastwood:
"A man's got to know his limitations."

274 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:13:38pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

a big one in the right kidney

two small ones in the left

another small one passing/ passed through since Wednesday

That can't be much fun. A few years back I had to rush a roommate to the ER in the middle of the night because of kidney stones, sounded like he was in agony. I've heard it is as close as a man can come to understanding the pain of child birth.

You having actual cut you open surgery or are they going to be able to use the new ultrasound therapy to bust up the stones?

275 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:15:54pm

TAKE TWO

276 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:16:08pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

ggrrrr

277 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:16:44pm

re: #274 danarchy

That can't be much fun. A few years back I had to rush a roommate to the ER in the middle of the night because of kidney stones, sounded like he was in agony. I've heard it is as close as a man can come to understanding the pain of child birth.

You having actual cut you open surgery or are they going to be able to use the new ultrasound therapy to bust up the stones?

Neither

Put me to sleep and a probe up my penis to remove the stone. Keep the probe there for a week (or so) then remove it

Oh ,, joy!!

(he better buy me dinner and drinks and bring me flowers 1st)

278 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:17:32pm

re: #275 sattv4u2

I'm suddenly sorry I asked...and for some reason have an uncontrollable urge to cross my legs

279 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:18:11pm

re: #278 danarchy

I'm suddenly sorry I asked...and for some reason have an uncontrollable urge to cross my legs

I'm thinking of showing up to surgery with a chastity belt on!

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:21:59pm

re: #21 Decatur Deb

It's not like they faced the horror of '60s France.
The horror...the horror..

Quelle horreur!

281 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:22:51pm

Researchers Warn Contact Lens Wearers Of Parasite That Gnaws Through Eyeballs
[Link: washington.cbslocal.com...]

Who knew Lens Crafters would be at the leading edge of The Zombie Apocalypse!!

282 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:25:27pm

Man dies after doc takes lunch during kidney op
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]

The incident, which took place at the Lidköping hospital, has prompted stinging criticism from Sweden's National Board of Health and Welfare


That'll teach em!!

283 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:28:54pm

re: #281 sattv4u2

Researchers Warn Contact Lens Wearers Of Parasite That Gnaws Through Eyeballs
[Link: washington.cbslocal.com...]

Who knew Lens Crafters would be at the leading edge of The Zombie Apocalypse!!

Must be a slow news day.

284 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:30:35pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

After getting home from work at 11 a.m Wednesday with a little twinge in my back, I took two tylenols and I tried to go to sleep

An hour later I awoke to searing lower right back pain, so bad I was having trouble breathing

6 hours in the ER they diagnosed me with a urinary tract infection. Antibiotics and pain meds prescribed with a follow up apt with a urologist today

WELL , seems as if the ER missed the FRAKKIN KIDNEY STONES SHOWING on the CT scan they took

Surgery in three weeks

Oh ,, joy!!

You're going to be a freakn' joy to deal with for a while.

285 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:31:17pm

re: #283 Targetpractice

Must be a slow news day.

Ar you kidding me??

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
No, really: Govt warns of 'zombie apocalypse'

286 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:31:41pm

re: #284 Decatur Deb

You're going to be a freakn' joy to deal with for a while.

GET OFF MY LAWN KIDNEY

287 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:33:17pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Famous People with Aspergers Syndrome
They have Lincoln listed under "speculated to have"

Why? From what I've read, he was extremely social, and good at putting people at ease. What are they looking at?

288 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:34:00pm

re: #285 sattv4u2

Ar you kidding me??

[Link: hosted.ap.org...]
No, really: Govt warns of 'zombie apocalypse'

Nah, not the zombie plague bit, the whole parasite bit. It's the sort of "shocking" news story that gets played when there's nothing particularly exciting happening in the news, usually as a "public advisory" or something like that. Get video of J. Random Doctor, PhD. telling folks that this thing can happen, snipping off the bit of the video where he says its vanishingly rare if you take proper precautions.

289 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:34:11pm

re: #131 dragonath

Saying Lincoln was autistic is one hell of a projection. I don't see the need to pathologize his personality, especially when he was 100x more rational than anyone who supported slavery.

Aspies are extremely rational. Sometimes too rational for the people around them to handle.

290 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:35:03pm

re: #287 SanFranciscoZionist

Why? From what I've read, he was extremely social, and good at putting people at ease. What are they looking at?

Hans Asperger, 1906-1980, Austrian paediatric doctor

He at least should have expected it!!!
//

291 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:35:05pm

re: #277 sattv4u2

Neither

Put me to sleep and a probe up my penis to remove the stone. Keep the probe there for a week (or so) then remove it

Oh ,, joy!!

(he better buy me dinner and drinks and bring me flowers 1st)

Sat--
been there, done that. The thing they leave behind is just a flexible stent. It's little more than an irritant and a nurse removes it on follow-up with a flick of the wrist. This is less fun than the lithotripsy, whic sometimes can't be done. Why the hell are they waiting (painful) weeks?

292 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:35:39pm

re: #153 Killgore Trout

It's an interesting list. One of my heroes, Henry Thoreau, is on the list.

Thoreau I might believe, but I wonder if people are being distracted by the whole 'live alone in the woods' thing, which is appealing enough that millions of non-Aspergers folks have fantasized about doing the same thing.

293 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:38:34pm

re: #291 Decatur Deb

Why the hell are they waiting (painful) weeks?

A) it's not (he suspects the one that was giving me the pain on Wednesday has passed)((the other three are sitting in the kidney, lower than where the "tube" is that they would have to pass through, so not likely to pass,, hence, the surgery to remove))
B) my schedule

294 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:39:07pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoreau I might believe, but I wonder if people are being distracted by the whole 'live alone in the woods' thing, which is appealing enough that millions of non-Aspergers folks have fantasized about doing the same thing.

I suspect a lot of people on that list might actually just have been introverts. Since there's no way to diagnose them in retrospect it's just speculation.

295 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:39:45pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoreau I might believe, but I wonder if people are being distracted by the whole 'live alone in the woods' thing, which is appealing enough that millions of non-Aspergers folks have fantasized about doing the same thing.

I would

Well,, as long as "alone" meant with Sofia Vergara ,,, oh,,, and cable TV sports packages ,,, and, well,,, ELECTRICITY ,, and heat ,, and AC ,, and ,,,,,

296 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:40:19pm

re: #294 Killgore Trout

I suspect a lot of people on that list might actually just have been introverts. Since there's no way to diagnose them in retrospect it's just speculation.

Lets dig em up!!!

297 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:40:34pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

After getting home from work at 11 a.m Wednesday with a little twinge in my back, I took two tylenols and I tried to go to sleep

An hour later I awoke to searing lower right back pain, so bad I was having trouble breathing

6 hours in the ER they diagnosed me with a urinary tract infection. Antibiotics and pain meds prescribed with a follow up apt with a urologist today

WELL , seems as if the ER missed the FRAKKIN KIDNEY STONES SHOWING on the CT scan they took

Surgery in three weeks

Oh ,, joy!!

Owwww. Sorry to hear it.

298 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:40:47pm

re: #297 SanFranciscoZionist

tanks

299 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:43:27pm

re: #293 sattv4u2


Why the hell are they waiting (painful) weeks?

A) it's not (he suspects the one that was giving me the pain on Wednesday has passed)((the other three are sitting in the kidney, lower than where the "tube" is that they would have to pass through, so not likely to pass,, hence, the surgery to remove))
B) my schedule

Ah. I've dumped a couple, only when the pain kicks in. At peak, it's stop-the-car-dry-heave pain. My doc doesn't screw with them unless they're actively hurting. If you get enough warning, and they're positioned well, litho is nicer. (In our little town the litho rig travels around, so you have to win the lottery to use it.)

300 TheSwedish  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:44:38pm

I've got it! Romney would appoint an empty chair to head each of the service branches and the VA.

301 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:45:38pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoreau I might believe, but I wonder if people are being distracted by the whole 'live alone in the woods' thing, which is appealing enough that millions of non-Aspergers folks have fantasized about doing the same thing.

Only to be brought up short by the reality of personal hygiene in the woods.

One word: Portapotty.

302 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:46:32pm

re: #301 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Only to be brought up short by the reality of personal hygiene in the woods.

One word: Portapotty.

Male words: Entrenching tool.

303 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:46:37pm

Oh, and a completely random thought that just passed through my head:

How come we sometimes see an actor become a brilliant director (Ben Affleck, Ron Howard), but no actress has done it?

I don't get the feeling that Meryl Streep isn't smart enough.

304 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:47:15pm

re: #302 Decatur Deb

Male words: Entrenching tool.

I didn't know, growing up, that camping could take place with flushing toilets. I thought that a tool and a roll of tp was just part of camping.

And they wonder why I stopped camping when I hit my teens...

305 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:47:26pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, and a completely random thought that just passed through my head:

How come we sometimes see an actor become a brilliant director (Ben Affleck, Ron Howard), but no actress has done it?

I don't get the feeling that Meryl Streep isn't smart enough.

Hasn't Streisand directed?

And I think Streep has also, although I'm not as sure as Babs!

306 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:49:29pm

re: #304 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I didn't know, growing up, that camping could take place with flushing toilets. I thought that a tool and a roll of tp was just part of camping.

And they wonder why I stopped camping when I hit my teens...

Took a bunch of Army girl scouts camping at a UN campground in Korea. the funniest part was convincing them the local 'bombsight' toilets weren't footbaths.

307 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:49:35pm

re: #305 sattv4u2

Hasn't Streisand directed?

And I think Streep has also, although I'm not as sure as Babs!

I guess she would qualify as an actress. I've always thought of her as a singer.

308 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:49:44pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

it's stop-the-car-dry-heave pain

Yeah, the urologist today was surprised I didn't
Like I said, the only symptom I had was the searing pain in my lower right back,,, no blood in the urine,, no pain peeing

309 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:50:22pm

re: #9 Gus

Obama Bounces Up to 52% Approval, 48% to 45% Over Romney

re: #13 erik_t

This is a three/seven-day (approval/horserace) tracker. We can expect it to be a lagging indicator.

310 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:50:34pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, and a completely random thought that just passed through my head:

How come we sometimes see an actor become a brilliant director (Ben Affleck, Ron Howard), but no actress has done it?

I don't get the feeling that Meryl Streep isn't smart enough.

Penny Marshall has made a decent name for herself directing

311 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:50:34pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Lucille Ball was a producer. A great one.

312 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:51:15pm

So I was wrong. Excellent.

313 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:51:21pm

re: #307 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I guess she would qualify as an actress. I've always thought of her as a singer.

Director (7 titles)
2014 Skinny and Cat (pre-production)

2009 Streisand: Live in Concert (TV special documentary)

2001 Timeless: Live in Concert (TV special documentary)

1996 The Mirror Has Two Faces

1995 Barbra: The Concert (TV special documentary)

1991 The Prince of Tides

1983 Yentl

314 A Mom Anon  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 4:57:59pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I think Anjelica Houston(sp?) and Diane Keaton directed movies. I don't think the movies did well,but I thought I read an article with a bit about the both of them directing awhile back.

315 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:00:23pm

re: #7 Targetpractice

I swear to fucking God, I've never seen a campaign so tone deaf.

As I've said over the past couple of days, Romney and Ryan are lightweights, intellectually and morally bankrupt

Dark might not like it whenever I say this, but President Obama's gonna carve Mitt up like Jack the Ripper during the debates; no amount of pissing and moaning from the RWNJs will save Mitt's chances at that point, I hope.

That doesn't mean that the Democrats can coast through to November; they'll have to keep contrasting what the president has done with what Mitt says he and Ryan will do all the way up to Election Day, in order to counteract what will be an increasingly shrill and dishonest RWNJ noise machine.

316 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:01:00pm

re: #258 sattv4u2

a big one in the right kidney

two small ones in the left

another small one passing/ passed through since Wednesday

Ugh....we may disagree on many things, but I don't wish that on you. I had to go under a few years back to get a few removed, the biggest one was a good centimeter in diameter.

317 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:04:38pm

The breakup is still going on on twitter. Amazing.

(ya'll who know, know what I'm talking about - others, just laugh at twitter)

318 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:06:37pm

re: #313 sattv4u2

Director (7 titles)
2014 Skinny and Cat (pre-production)

2009 Streisand: Live in Concert (TV special documentary)

2001 Timeless: Live in Concert (TV special documentary)

1996 The Mirror Has Two Faces

1995 Barbra: The Concert (TV special documentary)

1991 The Prince of Tides

1983 Yentl

The Prince of Tides. Satt, you've seen it right? The location? Right up your alley. (And close to Deb's too, right?)

319 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:07:55pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, and a completely random thought that just passed through my head:

How come we sometimes see an actor become a brilliant director (Ben Affleck, Ron Howard), but no actress has done it?

I don't get the feeling that Meryl Streep isn't smart enough.

Umm, Penny Marshall (though she's more or less retired, AFAIK), Streisand, and I'm sure that I can find more.

Edit: I see that others have mentioned Anjelica Huston, Lucille Ball, and Diane Keaton also

320 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:09:47pm

re: #319 Gert Fröbe

Umm, Penny Marshall's one (though she's more or less retired, AFAIK) and I'm sure that I can find more.

Kathryn Bigelow did The Hurt Locker a war movie.

321 kirkspencer  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:09:56pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, and a completely random thought that just passed through my head:

How come we sometimes see an actor become a brilliant director (Ben Affleck, Ron Howard), but no actress has done it?

I don't get the feeling that Meryl Streep isn't smart enough.

Or maybe it's because the actresses who've turned into directors don't get recognition?

Some more not already listed include Jodi Foster, Jean Sagal, Susan Siedelman, Karen Arthur, Debbie Allen, Sandra Locke, and more.

322 jaunte  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:10:29pm

re: #319 Gert Fröbe

Lina Wertmuller.

323 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:11:18pm

re: #322 jaunte

Lina Wertmuller.

Yeah, she did a lot of nice nature films.

324 JAFO  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:11:18pm

Hah

chair

325 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:11:39pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

After getting home from work at 11 a.m Wednesday with a little twinge in my back, I took two tylenols and I tried to go to sleep

An hour later I awoke to searing lower right back pain, so bad I was having trouble breathing

6 hours in the ER they diagnosed me with a urinary tract infection. Antibiotics and pain meds prescribed with a follow up apt with a urologist today

WELL , seems as if the ER missed the FRAKKIN KIDNEY STONES SHOWING on the CT scan they took

Surgery in three weeks

Oh ,, joy!!

I'm there with ya bud. Well, not really, I live like 10 lightyears away, but I'm there in spirit, uh, spirits, patting you on the back and hoping for a quick recovery.

326 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:13:07pm

re: #316 JamesWI

thanks

327 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:13:22pm

re: #325 b_sharp

(and) thanks

328 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:14:02pm

re: #267 sattv4u2

re: #264 sattv4u2

THE worse was when I had sinus surgery. No, not the surgery itself NOR the recovery

The worse was when they removed the packing (the wad of compressed cotton they stick up your nasal passages)

It was terrible ,, THEN I realized ,, HolY Schnikies,,, HE HAS TO REMOVE IT FROM THE OTHER SIDE NOW

It's only pain. It will all end eventually.

329 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:15:57pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

The Prince of Tides. Satt, you've seen it right? The location? Right up your alley.

Not only "seen" it,, stayed at an inn right down the road from it

(it;s about an hour and a half south of where we vacation in SC)

330 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:16:40pm

re: #329 sattv4u2

Not only "seen" it,, stayed at an inn right down the road from it

(it;s about an hour and a half south of where we vacation in SC)

I know, I know!!

331 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:17:13pm

re: #328 b_sharp

It's only pain. It will all end eventually.

It will with your kind words and a healthy 'script of Hydrocodon

332 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:17:30pm

BTW, for the gaming geeks who haven't played minecraft in a while it's worth giving it another play. They added lots of stuff, enchantments for tools and weapons, new jungle biomes. The crafting isn't too complicated or annoying.

333 sagehen  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:18:12pm

re: #303 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Oh, and a completely random thought that just passed through my head:

How come we sometimes see an actor become a brilliant director (Ben Affleck, Ron Howard), but no actress has done it?

I don't get the feeling that Meryl Streep isn't smart enough.

Angelina Jolie's movie got good reviews (a love story between a Serb girl and Croatian boy, during the war, in Serb and Croatian with English subtitles... oddly enough, it's not a Romeo and Juliet remake).

Jodie Foster and Drew Barrymore have directed several films each (no Oscar winners, but they turned a profit).

334 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:19:00pm

I love Mike Rowe and Dirty Jobs is a fantastic show, but I think he may be setting the bar a little low for his vote.

I do agree with him in large part though. College is great and I wouldn't trade my college years for anything, but I think there is too much emphasis on it. We need to look at some apprenticeship programs like Germany has and we need to not stigmatize the trades. If you can take a year or two after high school and learn some masonry or carpentry or plumbing or whatever then you'll always have something to fall back on.

Open letter to Romney

335 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:21:15pm

re: #318 Stanley Sea

The Prince of Tides. Satt, you've seen it right? The location? Right up your alley. (And close to Deb's too, right?)

We're a state inland from the Atlantic. The great movies made near us are Ruby In Paradise and Ulee's Gold.

336 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:22:29pm

re: #334 danarchy

If you can take a year or two after high school and learn some masonry or carpentry or plumbing or
whatever then you'll always have something to fall back on.

Not sure of your "vintage" but when I was a kid one could opt to go to a traditional high school (geared for college prep) or a Vocational Trade School

You still had to take math and English, but instead of taking French, or chemistry, you would take auto repair (mechanics or body work) or carpentry or plumbing
Today for the most part, you have to wait till after HS to do that

337 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:22:31pm

re: #332 Killgore Trout

BTW, for the gaming geeks who haven't played minecraft in a while it's worth giving it another play. They added lots of stuff, enchantments for tools and weapons, new jungle biomes. The crafting isn't too complicated or annoying.

My boys can't get it until they start getting off the computer with good will and grace. Until getting them off the computer doesn't require a hammer and chisel, no getting anything addicting.

338 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:23:43pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

We're a state inland from the Atlantic. The great movies made near us are Ruby In Paradise and Ulee's Gold.

Movies made in Alabama

[Link: www.learnaboutmovieposters.com...]

339 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:24:26pm

If we're talking about female film directors, probably the most infamous propaganda film ever made was directed by a woman.

If we're talking about actresses that are also film directors, both Jodie Foster and Drew Barrymore come to mind as film directors.

340 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:25:10pm

re: #337 Mostly sane, most of the time.

My boys can't get it until they start getting off the computer with good will and grace. Until getting them off the computer doesn't require a hammer and chisel, no getting anything addicting.

Have you got the Civilization series (IV is best)? Totally addicting, but in a very good way. It could be the source of a highschool Anthropology course.

341 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:25:27pm

re: #335 Decatur Deb

We're a state inland from the Atlantic. The great movies made near us are Ruby In Paradise and Ulee's Gold.

re: #338 sattv4u2

Movies made in Alabama

[Link: www.learnaboutmovieposters.com...]

From the list

Star Trek: Generations (1994)

342 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:26:08pm

re: #292 SanFranciscoZionist

Thoreau I might believe, but I wonder if people are being distracted by the whole 'live alone in the woods' thing, which is appealing enough that millions of non-Aspergers folks have fantasized about doing the same thing.

Most Aspergers might want to live alone in the woods, but not all people living alone in the woods will have Aspergers.

That said, I went through the list and of the people I've seen on the tube interacting outside of their work (interviews mostly), I could see how the conclusion was made.

343 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:26:48pm

re: #334 danarchy

I love Mike Rowe and Dirty Jobs is a fantastic show, but I think he may be setting the bar a little low for his vote.

I do agree with him in large part though. College is great and I wouldn't trade my college years for anything, but I think there is too much emphasis on it. We need to look at some apprenticeship programs like Germany has and we need to not stigmatize the trades. If you can take a year or two after high school and learn some masonry or carpentry or plumbing or
whatever then you'll always have something to fall back on.

Open letter to Romney

Excellent letter from Mr. Rowe as always. Unfortunately nobody's going to take his advice. I was reading an interview with physicist Michio Kaku and he was talking about the future of automation in everything from manufacturing to customer service. Where does he think the future jobs are going to be? Plumbing, carpentry, repair, crafts, etc because it's going to be a very long time before robots and computers are going to have the capability to do those jobs.

344 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:28:15pm

re: #338 sattv4u2

Movies made in Alabama

[Link: www.learnaboutmovieposters.com...]

Stopping by for BBQ doesn't count. That's a pretty bad crap-to-gold ratio.

345 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:28:21pm

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Fact checking this I think its probably true.
Clint's 'Mission Accomplished' was as accurate as Georges banner.


Did someone mention Khe Sanh?

346 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:29:37pm

re: #345 ozbloke

Eastwood says his convention appearance was 'mission accomplished'

Fact checking this I think its probably true.
Clint's 'Mission Accomplished' was as accurate as Georges banner.

Did someone mention Khe Sanh?

[Embedded content]

He's proud of that? Okay.....

347 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:30:44pm

re: #345 ozbloke

Did someone mention Khe Sanh?
Not me

But I did say Chaka Kahn once!! (okay ,, twice)

348 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:31:14pm

re: #346 HappyWarrior

He's proud of that? Okay.....

George or Clint, I'll lend you a sarc tag /

349 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:31:51pm

re: #347 sattv4u2

Did someone mention Khe Sanh?
Not me

But I did say Chaka Kahn once!! (okay ,, twice)

[Embedded content]

Sorry to hear about the kidney stones, very painful.

350 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:32:27pm

Does posting from Australia, always cause a new thread?

351 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:32:34pm

re: #348 ozbloke

George or Clint, I'll lend you a sarc tag /

Clint. Heard he called Obama the biggest hoax ever put on the American people.

352 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:32:38pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Excellent letter from Mr. Rowe as always. Unfortunately nobody's going to take his advice. I was reading an interview with physicist Michio Kaku and he was talking about the future of automation in everything from manufacturing to customer service. Where does he think the future jobs are going to be? Plumbing, carpentry, repair, crafts, etc because it's going to be a very long time before robots and computers are going to have the capability to do those jobs.

Someday when I'm more awake I'll talk about social justice in the automated world where a few humans tend machines that make all the crap we need. Think 6-hour workweek.

353 blueraven  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:32:41pm

re: #343 Killgore Trout

Excellent letter from Mr. Rowe as always. Unfortunately nobody's going to take his advice. I was reading an interview with physicist Michio Kaku and he was talking about the future of automation in everything from manufacturing to customer service. Where does he think the future jobs are going to be? Plumbing, carpentry, repair, crafts, etc because it's going to be a very long time before robots and computers are going to have the capability to do those jobs.

Well at least Obama has tried to partner community colleges with job skills needed and devoted some resource there.

I would like to see more of this.

354 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:33:14pm

re: #347 sattv4u2

But I did say Chaka Kahn once!! (okay ,, twice)

[Embedded content]

Good song, but I like the original Prince version better:

355 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:34:40pm

re: #351 HappyWarrior

Clint. Heard he called Obama the biggest hoax ever put on the American people.

Very sad really.

356 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:35:05pm

re: #355 ozbloke

Very sad really.

It is. I'm a fan.

357 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:36:52pm

re: #349 ozbloke

Sorry to hear about the kidney stones, very painful.

Hydrocodon

nahhhhh!!!!

:)

358 Usually refered to as anyways  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:37:07pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

It is. I'm a fan.

So was I, and I didn't mind his politics even through I didn't agree with him.
But I found his performance well embarrassing.

359 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:37:28pm

re: #358 ozbloke

So was I, and I didn't mind his politics even through I didn't agree with him.
But I found his performance well embarrassing.

That's the word, yes. Embarrassing.

360 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:37:52pm

re: #336 sattv4u2

If you can take a year or two after high school and learn some masonry or carpentry or plumbing or
whatever then you'll always have something to fall back on.

Not sure of your "vintage" but when I was a kid one could opt to go to a traditional high school (geared for college prep) or a Vocational Trade School

You still had to take math and English, but instead of taking French, or chemistry, you would take auto repair (mechanics or body work) or carpentry or plumbing
Today for the most part, you have to wait till after HS to do that

Heh, I am 37 soon to be 38. Yeah we had a Voc tech in my home city when I was in high school, but even then there was already a stigma attached to it. If you went to Voc you must be dumb...

361 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:38:06pm

re: #357 sattv4u2

Hydrocodon

nahhhhh!!!!

:)

That stuff will make your comments irrational and incoherent. How are we supposed to tell?

362 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:39:35pm

re: #361 Decatur Deb

That stuff will make your comments irrational and incoherent. How are we supposed to tell?

This could be fun. Someone make sure to record the responses, like they do with kids who have dental surgery now.

363 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:40:27pm

re: #357 sattv4u2

Hydrocodon

nahhhhh!!!!

:)

Kidney stones are awful. Best wishes and be well.

364 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:40:57pm

re: #360 danarchy

Heh, I am 37 soon to be 38. Yeah we had a Voc tech in my home city when I was in high school, but even then there was already a stigma attached to it. If you went to Voc you must be dumb...

you could be my kid (58, soon to be 59 here)

Back when I was a kid we were envious of the Voc kids

NO FRENCH!!! NO GLEE CLUB !! T-SHIRTS AND JEANS!!!

365 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:41:12pm

re: #361 Decatur Deb

That stuff will make your comments irrational and incoherent. How are we supposed to tell?

Hydrocodon

nahhhhh!!!!

366 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:41:24pm

re: #363 The Ghost of a Flea

thanks

367 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:42:17pm

re: #362 Mostly sane, most of the time.

This could be fun. Someone make sure to record the responses, like they do with kids who have dental surgery now.

LOL

368 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:45:02pm

re: #364 sattv4u2

you could be my kid (58, soon to be 59 here)

Back when I was a kid we were envious of the Voc kids

NO FRENCH!!! NO GLEE CLUB !! T-SHIRTS AND JEANS!!!

You old fart. I just turned 57 and the wife won't be 59 until just after Christmas.

369 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:46:15pm

re: #361 Decatur Deb

That stuff will make your comments irrational and incoherent. How are we supposed to tell?

Decatur Deb is THE smartest and handsomest man on the whole intertoobies

370 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:47:04pm

re: #368 b_sharp

You old fart. I just turned 57 and the wife won't be 59 until just after Christmas.

GET OFF MY LAWN

371 compound_Idaho  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:47:25pm

re: #353 blueraven

Well at least Obama has tried to partner community colleges with job skills needed and devoted some resource there.

I would like to see more of this.

Give me a kid that grew up on a farm and graduated from high school. They can read, write, and do arithmetic. They also how to weld and work with automated systems. Some can do a little PCL programming and they are not afraid of $100,000 pieces of equipment. Most of all they know the work does not end at the 5 o'clock whistle or sundown for that matter. The work ends when the job is done.

372 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:51:27pm

re: #371 compound_Idaho

Most of all they know the work does not end at the 5 o'clock whistle or sundown for that matter. The work ends when the job is done.

I didn't grow up on a farm NOR in the country, but I (and many of my friends) were taught that at an early age

373 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:51:48pm

re: #370 sattv4u2

GET OFF MY LAWN

Ha ha, you're the crazy old man on the street.

374 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:52:57pm

re: #373 b_sharp

Ha ha, you're the crazy old man on the street.

In my bathrobe,,,, and black socks up to my knees,, and a three day stuble ,,,
The only thing I'm missing is 17 cats!

375 danarchy  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:54:17pm

re: #352 Decatur Deb

Someday when I'm more awake I'll talk about social justice in the automated world where a few humans tend machines that make all the crap we need. Think 6-hour workweek.

Sounds a lot like a discussion of the star trek economy. When you can make anything with a matter replicator, what do people do and what kind of economy can you sustain.

376 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:54:38pm

re: #374 sattv4u2

In my bathrobe,,,, and black socks up to my knees,, and a three day stuble ,,,
The only thing I'm missing is 17 cats!

Could you at least remember to wear shorts under that robe?

377 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:56:11pm

re: #376 b_sharp

Could you at least remember to wear shorts under that robe?

What are these "shorts" of which you speak?

378 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:56:18pm

BTW, at the end of the day not a single reputable news outlet picked up the "Mitt thinks troops are unimportant" story. This possibly is going to be even below the fact checkers to bother with. We'll have to wait until morning but if they bother it's going to rank right there with "you didn't build that".

379 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:57:09pm

re: #378 Killgore Trout

BTW, at the end of the day not a single reputable news outlet picked up the "Mitt thinks troops are unimportant" story. This possibly is going to be even below the fact checkers to bother with. We'll have to wait until morning but if they bother it's going to rank right there with "you didn't build that".

Makes me happy I'm now legally on drugs!!!
/

380 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:58:44pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

Dude... take it easy and feel better.

381 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:00:55pm

re: #380 lawhawk

Dude... take it easy and feel better.

If I was taking it any easier, I'd be in a coma!

382 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:01:14pm

re: #380 lawhawk

Dude... take it easy and feel better.

seriously though,, thanks

383 compound_Idaho  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:01:25pm

re: #372 sattv4u2

Most of all they know the work does not end at the 5 o'clock whistle or sundown for that matter. The work ends when the job is done.

I didn't grow up on a farm NOR in the country, but I (and many of my friends) were taught that at an early age

Neither did I. A good work ethic is a rare commodity though. I have had much better luck hiring Idaho farm boys than those who's work experience includes working at the mall. I've had a couple quit after the first day of field work.

384 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:02:19pm

re: #379 sattv4u2

Makes me happy I'm now legally on drugs!!!
/

Hooray!

385 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:04:02pm

Ma cheese is melting on ma pasta.

Booyah.

386 palomino  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:13:51pm

re: #91 Killgore Trout

This is how dehumanizing opponents works. Once people ingest enough stuff about how their opponents lack basic human feelings or thoughts these theories about mental deficiencies, sociopathic disorders or just plain evil intent become more credible. Look no further than what the wingnuts did with Obama.

As if you had a leg to stand on in making such a critique.

You applaud, even seem to get a personal thrill, out of the pepper spraying and other tactics used against nonviolent protesters. No dehumanizing of opponents there, huh?

Or accusing your opponents of supporting rape and attempted murder because they didn't unequivocally condemn all of OWS. Not dehumanizing anyone there, are you?

Hearing you make this argument is a joke. Given all your holier than thou rhetoric, this is just one more example of you being an utter fraud.

387 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:15:09pm

re: #378 Killgore Trout

BTW, at the end of the day not a single reputable news outlet picked up the "Mitt thinks troops are unimportant" story. This possibly is going to be even below the fact checkers to bother with. We'll have to wait until morning but if they bother it's going to rank right there with "you didn't build that".

I think the allure of the story is the inherent hypocrisy in a party who in the past was hyper-sensitive to how the troops are viewed but now seems willing to corrupt that cause in favour of political gamesmanship.

388 wheat-dogghazi  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:16:36pm

re: #263 Charles Johnson

Second that. My nurse told me it was closest a man would ever come to experiencing the pain of childbirth.

389 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:17:14pm

Ryan on Obama: He's 'really bad at creating jobs'

says the man who's never created any and thinks government can't create jobs

390 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:22:57pm

re: #378 Killgore Trout

BTW, at the end of the day not a single reputable news outlet picked up the "Mitt thinks troops are unimportant" story.

That's not the story.

All my military friends are now talking about it.

It matters to them.

391 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:24:01pm

re: #253 sattv4u2

After getting home from work at 11 a.m Wednesday with a little twinge in my back, I took two tylenols and I tried to go to sleep

An hour later I awoke to searing lower right back pain, so bad I was having trouble breathing

6 hours in the ER they diagnosed me with a urinary tract infection. Antibiotics and pain meds prescribed with a follow up apt with a urologist today

WELL , seems as if the ER missed the FRAKKIN KIDNEY STONES SHOWING on the CT scan they took

Surgery in three weeks

Oh ,, joy!!

yeah, it's pretty painful

in my case they put in a highway bypass system to keep me functioning at some level until surgery, and then sent in a miniaturized submarine to blast the kidney stones with a kryptonite laser

or something like that

392 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:25:24pm

reputable news outlet

there hasn't been a reputable news outlet since the new york herald tribune stopped publishing

393 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:25:36pm

re: #391 engineer cat

yeah, it's pretty painful

in my case they put in a highway bypass system to keep me functioning at some level until surgery, and then sent in a miniaturized submarine to blast the kidney stones with a kryptonite laser

or something like that

Cool. Isn't technology grate?

394 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:30:51pm

Heh. This has been making the rounds today:

Image: obama-donuts.jpg

395 diamonda2u  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:42:53pm

re: #50 Gus

Really? Considering Ryan is the man who lies about marathons he has run and times... he can't exactly be trusted on anything serious since he lies about the little stuff also.


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