1 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:31:17pm

That. Was. Fucking. Awesome.

There was a reason why James Brown was known as "Soul Brother #1", "The Godfather of Soul", and "The Hardest Working Man in Show Business"; there are few artists today that even come close.

2 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:35:24pm

Stunning. Thank you.

3 Stifford  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:35:47pm

the video is great, and the song is a classic,
but I'm not sure if the video really goes with that
particular song (imo). Perhaps a different song might
have lyrics that better matched the content of the video?
Great effort, either way... :)

4 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:41:04pm

But it wouldn't be nothing, nothing, without a woman or a girl!

5 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:44:19pm
6 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:45:18pm

The video caused me to think about the lecture that I'm currently preparing on slavery in the US up to 1850.

I really think that you had to kill off part of your conscience to live with slavery, which was why slave owners never understood the anger and outrage of the abolitionists. You simply had to not see some things, and believe others that weren't true. Those who didn't, or couldn't, always hated slavery, like Washington and Jefferson.

It was a real wake up call, I guess in the War of 1812, when the British offered freedom to any slave who would defect to them, and tens of thousands risked death to get to the British.

They had never imagined that their slaves might. not. be. happy.

7 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:50:51pm

re: #6 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The video caused me to think about the lecture that I'm currently preparing on slavery in the US up to 1850.

I really think that you had to kill off part of your conscience to live with slavery, which was why slave owners never understood the anger and outrage of the abolitionists. You simply had to not see some things, and believe others that weren't true. Those who didn't, or couldn't, always hated slavery, like Washington and Jefferson.

It was a real wake up call, I guess in the War of 1812, when the British offered freedom to any slave who would defect to them, and tens of thousands risked death to get to the British.

They had never imagined that their slaves might. not. be. happy.

The answer to your last comment is 'they didn't care'. Not everyone thinks alike and in some the drive to see sharp divisions between groups is a basic emotion. It's an outdated evolutionary adaptation.

8 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:55:54pm

re: #6 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The video caused me to think about the lecture that I'm currently preparing on slavery in the US up to 1850.

I really think that you had to kill off part of your conscience to live with slavery, which was why slave owners never understood the anger and outrage of the abolitionists. You simply had to not see some things, and believe others that weren't true. Those who didn't, or couldn't, always hated slavery, like Washington and Jefferson.

It was a real wake up call, I guess in the War of 1812, when the British offered freedom to any slave who would defect to them, and tens of thousands risked death to get to the British.

They had never imagined that their slaves might. not. be. happy.

re: #7 b_sharp

The answer to your last comment is 'they didn't care'. Not everyone thinks alike and in some the drive to see sharp divisions between groups is a basic emotion. It's an outdated evolutionary adaptation.

At the risk of sounding crass, the type of people who held slaves are much like the more problematic members of today's 1% (the sociopaths, represented by Romney and the Koch brothers, for example); slaves were a means to an end (to make that much more money), as well as slavery being about total and complete control over other people, down to whether they lived or died.

IMNSHO, if Romney were alive in the antebellum South, I could see him being a major landowner (and slaveholder).

9 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 5:57:44pm

Another interesting factoid that I learned today:

One of the chief pieces of evidence for Hemings' children being fathered by Jefferson is that when her oldest son "escaped" nobody went after him.

When her oldest (living) daughter went, she was put on a coach by the overseer and given $50 for her trip.

I suppose this is radically better than Frederick Douglass's father.

10 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:02:43pm

I just bought the Kindle version of Tyler Hamilton's book, and I have to admit I'm sort of dreading it. A cyclist friend tells me it totally settles the issue of whether Armstrong was doping during his TdF wins, and not in Lance's favor.

The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour De France: Doping, Cover-Ups, and Winning at All Costs

11 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:09:24pm

re: #8 Gert Fröbe

re: #7 b_sharp

At the risk of sounding crass, the type of people who held slaves are much like the more problematic members of today's 1%; slaves were a means to an end (to make that much more money), as well as slavery being about total and complete control over other people.

IMNSHO, if Romney were alive in the antebellum South, I could see him being a major landowner (and slaveholder).

There was an author, I can't remember his name, who used anecdotal evidence and analysis at a distance to claim a lot of leading corporate admins are psychopathic.

12 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:09:32pm

The book I am about to buy, mostly because I'm currently reading a library copy and I want to write in it, is Sandberg's Lincoln.

Coming up against a great mind is a very profound experience, and Lincoln was among the greatest.

13 compound_Idaho  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:15:49pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I just bought the Kindle version of Tyler Hamilton's book, and I have to admit I'm sort of dreading it. A cyclist friend tells me it totally settles the issue of whether Armstrong was doping during his TdF wins, and not in Lance's favor.

The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour De France: Doping,Cover-Ups,and Winning at All Costs

I have always admired Armstrong, except for the low-carb. beer endorsements. I have a hard time getting past the zero positive tests. Are cyclists ever subjected to polygraphs? Polygraphs are used in other sports in conjunction with blood and urine testing. Drug free body builders are subjected to both.

14 prairiefire  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:16:43pm

re: #6 Mostly sane, most of the time.

When reading some of the accounts from slaves after emancipation, there also seems to be a very sick dynamic playing out between the white owner and slave. Slavery truly tarnished the souls of the slave owners.

15 The Ghost of a Flea  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:18:33pm

re: #6 Mostly sane, most of the time.

The video caused me to think about the lecture that I'm currently preparing on slavery in the US up to 1850.

I really think that you had to kill off part of your conscience to live with slavery, which was why slave owners never understood the anger and outrage of the abolitionists. You simply had to not see some things, and believe others that weren't true. Those who didn't, or couldn't, always hated slavery, like Washington and Jefferson.

It was a real wake up call, I guess in the War of 1812, when the British offered freedom to any slave who would defect to them, and tens of thousands risked death to get to the British.

They had never imagined that their slaves might. not. be. happy.

Drapetomania

I just encountered the word yesterday, by chance.

That level of not-empathizing, not-seeing was so great you had people pathologizing slave behavior. If they ran, or fought, or shirked, it must be some kind of illness rather than natural human responses to bondage.

One thing that occurred to me when read about the phenomenon (if you haven't read "A Peculiar Insitution") is that slaves were very intelligent about passively resisting the system imposed on them. It's not the sort of thing you can see directly in a historical record, but you get glancing images of it.

16 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:19:03pm

Surfed Montara Beach for the first time today as the break across the street from my house looked a little flat. Much bigger waves just a couple miles up where the ocean pounds against California unchecked by bay reefs. Actually was quite intimidating, but it was 70 degrees and sunny, and the water was damn near 60 degrees (warm!). Got tossed around like a rag doll...once watched my 9'4" board disappear beneath me as the nose went under and the wave catapulted me foward off of it. FUN!

17 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:20:21pm

re: #10 Charles Johnson

I just bought the Kindle version of Tyler Hamilton's book, and I have to admit I'm sort of dreading it. A cyclist friend tells me it totally settles the issue of whether Armstrong was doping during his TdF wins, and not in Lance's favor.

The Secret Race: Inside the Hidden World of the Tour De France: Doping, Cover-Ups, and Winning at All Costs

Sadly looking back the general consensus is that Cycling has been #1 in doping, It is sad that all sports have been tainted the last 20 years by PED's.
No Win nor record or Championship can be considered real or earned

18 darthstar  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:20:33pm

Just saw this on Maddow...hoping the narrative takes hold.

19 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:21:26pm

re: #13 compound_Idaho

I have always admired Armstrong, except for the low-carb. beer endorsements. I have a hard time getting past the zero positive tests. Are cyclists ever subjected to polygraphs? Polygraphs are used in other sports in conjunction with blood and urine testing. Drug free body builders are subjected to both.

Depends on what they test for I guess.

20 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:25:30pm

re: #17 Digital Display

Sadly looking back the general consensus is that Cycling has been #1 in doping, It is sad that all sports have been tainted the last 20 years by PED's.
No Win nor record or Championship can be considered real or earned

///If it's that bad, then aren't they all "earned" if everyone is cheating equally?

21 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:27:15pm

re: #20 jamesfirecat

///If it's that bad, then aren't they all "earned" if everyone is cheating equally?

We don't know who cheated and that has stained all the record books...

22 Lidane  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:27:44pm

I've got three books going right now, depending on my mood -- How to Be a Woman by Caitlin Moran, which reads like Tina Fey with a raunchy British wit, and Wuthering Heights because it's been a while since I've read it, and Pitch Like a Girl, which has been helpful in my recent job interviews.

I've also got an audiobook for Eat to Live going. A friend highly recommended it to me, and so far so good. I've spent the last few years focused on my degrees. The next phase is to get my health back to where I want it.

23 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:29:48pm

[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Reading this right now. I saw Revolutionary Road a few years ago and really enjoyed it. In the past few years I've read it and a few other Yates novel.

24 sagehen  Fri, Sep 7, 2012 6:48:09pm

re: #5 darthstar

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And that blame will be well-deserved.

As vulnerable as this president has been on the economy, a more competent candidate should have been kicking his ass.

(I'm a big Obama supporter but even I think he could have improved things quicker if he hadn't chosen such a dipshit economic team. Tim Geithner is too narrowly focused on serving the megabanks, Austin Goolsbee and Christine Roehmer are in the clouds with abstract statistical aggregates and econometric models with no understanding of the 150 million panic-stricken ground-level individuals. We'd all be better off if Obama had sided with Sheila Bair, formerly of the FDIC, every time she and Geithner went at each other's throats about foreclosures, or bank breakups, or every other thing they fought about. She was right and he was wrong.)


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