Lovely!

Some genius (me thinking sock) registered today and Stinky got to put the pine tar on the bat. Heh.

Neat to see all the UFOs zipping around. Always thought they preferred the Northwest over the dessert.

re: #3 freetoken

Neat to see all the UFOs zipping around. Always thought they preferred the Northwest over the dessert.

They also like Gulf Breeze Florida.
[Link: www.ufocasebook.com...]

re: #2 Cannadian Club Akbar

Some genius (me thinking sock) registered today and Stinky got to put the pine tar on the bat. Heh.

What sort of blog turds did the troll drop before it was clubbed?

Was that the Northern Lights at the beginning? I am new to the North so this is new to me.

Wow - Nate Silver as Obama's chances up to 79.8%

I'm not going to believe this analysis is accurate (I'm too scared to be that optimistic), and the margin of error in using polls as a predictive tool (as opposed to a snapshot of the current situation) this far out seems to me to be quite large.

But still - this is fucking great to look at:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

What sort of blog turds did the troll drop before it was clubbed?

Typing without vowels. Or something. Whatever.

re: #3 freetoken

Neat to see all the UFOs zipping around. Always thought they preferred the Northwest over the dessert.

Depends on what's for dessert.

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

Typing without vowels. Or something. Whatever.

Wait. I remember. "Being a douche".

re: #5 Dark_Falcon

What sort of blog turds did the troll drop before it was clubbed?

Some crazy ass video about Obama being "a socialist."

re: #9 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Depends on what's for dessert.

[Link: www.heightscafe.com...]

re: #12 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.heightscafe.com...]

The last one.

Oh yeah. It was also a World Nut Daily video.

I used to think nurses Were women, I used to think police Were men, I used to think poets were boring, Until I became one of them

Benjamin Obadiah
Image: 1000051523L.gif

re: #14 Gus

Oh yeah. It was also a World Nut Daily video.

Did we keep the carcass or did SpaceJesus fling it out with the Flounceapult?

re: #13 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

The last one.

Habanero Ice Cream? YUM!! (I make jalapeno/strawberry salad dressing)

re: #13 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

The last one.

I'll go for the creme brulee. With an Irish coffee.

re: #18 allegro

I'll go for the creme brulee. With an Irish coffee.

Flan is tasty.

What is your Soup Du Jour?
It's our soup of the day.
OK. I'll have that.
///

re: #19 Cannadian Club Akbar

Flan is tasty.

A good flan is heaven in the mouth.

re: #9 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Depends on what's for dessert.

Figs, but they're going fast, and I doubt extraterrestrials would care for them... but, I did notice that two of the neighborhood's fig trees were picked clean sometime during the past 48 hours, and since I know both owners don't like the figs, I wonder if indeed aliens came down and plucked them all.

re: #7 Talking Point Detective

Wow - Nate Silver as Obama's chances up to 79.8%

I'm not going to believe this analysis is accurate (I'm too scared to be that optimistic), and the margin of error in using polls as a predictive tool (as opposed to a snapshot of the current situation) this far out seems to me to be quite large.

But still - this is fucking great to look at:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Nate's working with his own formulas, which were accurate in 49 out of 50 states in '08. But those formulas rely upon polls that are not always reliable, which means he's gotta figure in some bias here and there. Hence why reading his blog posts are key, because he generally explains why his odds are looking one way or another from day to day. Right now, he's figuring that the DNC will show a comfortable bounce that can be maintained for a bit, compared to the RNC's virtually insignificant bounce.

re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is your Soup Du Jour?
It's our soup of the day.
OK. I'll have that.
///

Same place has a red pepper bisque that is to die for.

re: #16 Dark_Falcon

Did we keep the carcass or did SpaceJesus fling it out with the Flounceapult?

You can find the video here.

20 reasons! Two of the reasons are rather hilarious. One says he studied Marxism. Obama graduated from Columbia with a BA in political science with a specialization in international relations and JD from Harvard.

Plenty of people will study Marxism or take a class and have no interest in becoming "a socialist" or "a communist." That's like saying someone who studied National Socialism is a Nazi.

The other being his alleged association with Jeremiah Wright who now lives in some big old McMansion in some gated community around a bunch of old white guys.

Hey y'all,
I hear someone is posting about me. I don't know if it's here or on twitter.
Any clues?

re: #23 Targetpractice

I think that bad jobs report will cut a least a point out of any bounce, more if the GOP uses the report to best effect.

re: #25 Gus

You can find the video here.

20 reasons! Two of the reasons are rather hilarious. One says he studied Marxism. Obama graduated from Columbia with a BA in political science with a specialization in international relations and JD from Harvard.

Plenty of people will study Marxism or take a class and have no interest in becoming "a socialist" or "a communist." That's like saying someone who studied National Socialism is a Nazi.

The other being his alleged association with Jeremiah Wright who now lives in some big old McMansion in some gated community around a bunch of old white guys.

OMG, I really am a fascist and Gus really is a Peronist Progressive!!1

[runs around screaming]

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

I think that bad jobs report will cut a least a point out of any bounce, more if the GOP uses the report to best effect.

Oh, I'm sure that it will tamp down the DNC bounce, but how does the GOP capitalize on it when it comes the day after the stock market closes at record highs? There's plenty of success on Wall Street, but it's not generating jobs, which seems to be a point against "supply side."

re: #26 OhNoZombies!

Hey y'all,
I hear someone is posting about me. I don't know if it's here or on twitter.
Any clues?

Haven't seen anything around here, but I'm no expert.

re: #28 Dark_Falcon

OMG, I really am a fascist and Gus really is a Peronist Progressive!!1

[runs around screaming]

Yeah. You know how much I love being bossed around by a big government. Off to the wheat fields I go to till the soil like a good Peronista!

re: #29 Targetpractice

There's plenty of success on Wall Street, but it's not generating jobs, which seems to be a point against "supply side."

To say nothing of this:

GOP HOUSE, elected on #JobsJobsJobs agenda, has passed ZERO jobs bills, 33 votes to repeal #ObamaCare, 55 votes to limit women's rights. #p2

— Bill Talley (@Political_Bill) September 9, 2012

re: #21 allegro

A good flan is heaven in the mouth.

I love Flan

I took Spanish in college.

That must make me a Spaniard.

re: #32 Interesting Times

To say nothing of this:

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But...but...15 bills on Reid's desk! Jobs bills!

re: #30 SanFranciscoZionist

Haven't seen anything around here, but I'm no expert.

Ok. It might be a twitter thing.
I may have to cancel that account.

re: #29 Targetpractice

Oh, I'm sure that it will tamp down the DNC bounce, but how does the GOP capitalize on it when it comes the day after the stock market closes at record highs? There's plenty of success on Wall Street, but it's not generating jobs, which seems to be a point against "supply side."

Simple: You say "Obama's policies are such a failure that people have stopped even looking for work! And the stock market is of high importance, but right now its just not able to translate into hiring due to the uncertainly engendered by Obama!"

Romney plane is still stuck on the ground.

re: #22 freetoken

Figs, but they're going fast, and I doubt extraterrestrials would care for them... but, I did notice that two of the neighborhood's fig trees were picked clean sometime during the past 48 hours, and since I know both owners don't like the figs, I wonder if indeed aliens came down and plucked them all.

Unless you are sleep harvesting, like sleep eating.

re: #31 Gus

We shall toil together, comrade. One shall sow, another will reap.

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

I think that bad jobs report will cut a least a point out of any bounce, more if the GOP uses the report to best effect.

First your party has to explain why the U-6 numbers went down too. This indicates that there were a lot of retirements instead of people just giving up. Fact is that the jobs report wasn't that bad, and could've been a hell of a lot worse. The reality is that Romney got a shitty bounce and the RNC was a failure in comparison. Now Romney has to look towards the debates, where Obama has a tendency to outperform and Romney tends to comes off like the arrogant prick he is.

re: #33 Digital Display

I love Flan

Courage the Cowardly Dog - King of Flan

re: #39 prairiefire

Unless you are sleep harvesting, like sleep eating.

I've gained a few pounds the last couple of weeks... hmmm...

re: #26 OhNoZombies!

I had to block somebody who sent me a message like that. A Juan Castro, I believe.

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Simple: You say "Obama's policies are such a failure that people have stopped even looking for work! And the stock market is of high importance, but right now its just not able to translate into hiring due to the uncertainly engendered by Obama!"

"Uncertainty," my ass. That's the excuse du jour whenever Wall Street is sitting pretty but no jobs are sprouting up. "We can't create jobs because we don't know what tomorrow will bring." I remember talk in '08 about how the economy was taking a nosedive because "Wall Street's afraid of an Obama victory."

re: #38 Gus

Romney plane is still stuck on the ground.

This is cool. You can watch specific planes in real time.
[Link: planefinder.net...]

re: #38 Gus

Romney plane is still stuck on the ground.

I'm sensing a metaphor.

re: #46 jaunte

This is cool. You can watch specific planes in real time.
[Link: planefinder.net...]

Mine is right there in the middle. It has the racing stripe on it.
/

re: #37 Dark_Falcon

Simple: You say "Obama's policies are such a failure that people have stopped even looking for work! And the stock market is of high importance, but right now its just not able to translate into hiring due to the uncertainly engendered by Obama!"

Romney should hire you instead of whomever told him to talk about the totally imaginary menace of the word "God" being removed from coins today.

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

I think that bad jobs report will cut a least a point out of any bounce, more if the GOP uses the report to best effect.

The GOP couldn't eve use their own national convention to any effect, since they blew $100 million on it only to end up with Mitt being upstaged by an empty chair. Since then, Mitt has endorsed that raving lunatic Steve King, gone onstage with Pat Robertson, pandered to the conspiracy loons with the bullshit about God being taken off the currency, and now he's at NASCAR trying to pretend he gives a fuck about anyone there.

What makes you think they could use a mediocre jobs report to any real effect?

re: #38 Gus

Romney plane is still stuck on the ground.

The media on the plane are having fun with him.

"Free falling" - Tom Petty #nowplaying on the broken down Romney plane

— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) September 9, 2012

re: #51 darthstar

The media on the plane are having fun with him.

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I love the thought that he's desperate enough to put up with embeds, but at the same time they're openly mocking him.

re: #49 bratwurst

Romney should hire you instead of whomever told him to talk about the totally imaginary menace of the words "In God We Trust" being removed from currency today.

I agree.

re: #49 bratwurst

Romney should hire you instead of whomever told him to talk about the totally imaginary menace of the words "In God We Trust" being removed from currency today.

Seriously. DF's making a hell of a lot more sense than whoever's running the Romney campaign.

(At least you have to engage your brain to deal with DF's arguments).

re: #50 Lidane

What makes you think they could use a mediocre jobs report to any real effect?

They may not be able to use it for any effect if this keeps up:

Finally! / RT @commonmanbob MSM is catching on: Polls Show Voters Believe GOP Intentionally Stalling Economic Recovery tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/11/threes...

— Beth (@turnapage) September 9, 2012

Glad that old saying "you can't fool all of the people all of the time" is finally proving true.

The one nice thing about being President is that your ride doesn't break down.

re: #55 Interesting Times

They may not be able to use it for any effect if this keeps up:

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Glad that old saying "you can't fool all of the people all of the time" is finally proving true.

You know, as I read the comment sections at different outlets, I get the impression that people are catching on. It's encouraging.

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

The one nice thing about being President is that your ride doesn't break down.

Well, there's this...
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
But then there's this...
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #55 Interesting Times

They may not be able to use it for any effect if this keeps up:

[Embedded content]

Glad that old saying "you can't fool all of the people all of the time" is finally proving true.

That is still "some of the people", not "all of the people". Their dedicated supporters don't care about anything except "defeat Obama", and Romney knows it. He isn't looking to win votes, only not to lose any.

I can't wait for the debates.. They will pretty much decide the election.
I think Ryan will hold his own but Mitt is a different story. He can't debate like he did with the GOP acting like he is above the fray. This is man to man on the line and I just can't see how he wins as a CEO.

re: #51 darthstar

I should point out that the Romney press corps, not the campaign, is the one managing the playlist on the broken down plane.

— McKay Coppins (@mckaycoppins) September 9, 2012

Openly mocking the candidate they're stuck with. That's got to suck for Romney HQ.

re: #61 Lidane

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Openly mocking the candidate they're stuck with. That's got to suck for Romney HQ.

Oddly enough, the inflight movie is "Airport '77". Heh.

re: #60 Digital Display

I can't wait for the debates.. They will pretty much decide the election.
I think Ryan will hold his own but Mitt is a different story. He can't debate like he did with the GOP acting like he is above the fray. This is man to man on the line and I just can't see how he wins as a CEO.

I think he's gonna do as badly as Kerry did, where the best that his supporters could argue was "He makes a good case." Thing is, Bush was working the crowd, getting them to laugh at the right times, cheer at the right times, and overall giving the impression that even if he didn't have a leg to stand on, he'd still be a better president that the stiff he was running against.

re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oddly enough, the inflight movie is "Airport '77". Heh.

What, they couldn't find a copy of Alive?

re: #60 Digital Display

I can't wait for the debates.. They will pretty much decide the election.
I think Ryan will hold his own but Mitt is a different story. He can't debate like he did with the GOP acting like he is above the fray. This is man to man on the line and I just can't see how he wins as a CEO.

I think the VP debates may prove to be the most fun. Ryan doesn't seem to be able to speak a sentence without lying. Biden won't be letting him get away with it and he can be devastatingly direct and funny about it. Remember noun, verb, 911?

re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar

Oddly enough, the inflight movie is "Airport '77". Heh.

It should be Airplane, since Romney HQ clearly picked the wrong week to stop drinking whiskey.

I know, I know, it's "the South"...

Louisiana governor appeals ruling on black supreme court justice

Lawyers for Republican Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal have challenged a U.S. federal judge's ruling that would allow a black state supreme court justice to become the court's next chief justice.

[...]

A lawyer for Johnson called Jindal's position a throwback to the days when Southern states used the principle of "states rights" as a smokescreen for racism. [...]

re: #60 Digital Display

I can't wait for the debates.. They will pretty much decide the election.
I think Ryan will hold his own but Mitt is a different story. He can't debate like he did with the GOP acting like he is above the fray. This is man to man on the line and I just can't see how he wins as a CEO.

If his speech at the RNC is anything to go by Ryan is going to come off like a petulant little boy next to Biden. There's just something about his vocal delivery that screams childlike inexperience. Biden's going to have fun wrapping him around Ayn Rand, his own budget and intransigent stance against abortion in all cases.

re: #66 Lidane

It should be Airplane, since Romney HQ clearly picked the wrong week to stop drinking whiskey.

Have you ever been in a men's locker room?
(you started it!!!)

re: #68 goddamnedfrank

If his speech at the RNC is anything to go by Ryan is going to come off like a petulant little boy next to Biden. There's just something about his vocal delivery that screams childlike inexperience. Biden's going to have fun wrapping him around Ayn Rand, his own budget and intransigent stance against abortion in all cases.

I can't think of Ryan at the debate without thinking of his little tantrum last year, when he marched out of a speech Obama was giving when he was ripping apart Ryan's "Plan." Or how the little prince went to whine to the press that Obama was "burning bridges" and that he couldn't do that and expect the GOP to work with him.

re: #27 Dark_Falcon

I think that bad jobs report will cut a least a point out of any bounce, more if the GOP uses the report to best effect.

Dude.

Maybe instead of just thinking about it - you should read some analysis that systematically approaches controlling for a variety of variables:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

He discusses the impact of the jobs report, here:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

But the point is that whether or not he might have lost a point due to the jobs report, he looks to have gained a significant advantage from the respective conventions and other recent developments:

[Link: fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com...]

Maybe you want to dig into his models and see if you can identify any methodological flaws.

N949NS USA Jet Airlines - McDonnell Douglas MD-83

Yep, same MD-83.

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

Note to the Romney press pool -- if you hear anyone say this, RUN:

"There's no reason to become alarmed, and we hope you'll enjoy the rest of your flight. By the way, is there anyone on board who knows how to fly a plane?"

re: #72 Gus

N949NS USA Jet Airlines - McDonnell Douglas MD-83

Yep, same MD-83.

Fix-Ed

re: #73 Lidane

Note to the Romney press pool -- if you hear anyone say this, RUN:

"Excuse me stewardess, I talk jive".

re: #71 Talking Point Detective

Maybe you want to dig into his models and see if you can identify any methodological flaws.

I respect anyone who has the chops to do that and not just regurgitate talking points.

I think Biden - Ryan debate will be entertaining and chock full of fireworks.
I've watched Ryan on the Sunday Morning talk shows so I think it would be a mistake to under estimate his debating skills.

re: #54 gwangung

Seriously. DF's making a hell of a lot more sense than whoever's running the Romney campaign.

(At least you have to engage your brain to deal with DF's arguments).

Earlier today a lizard commented that as a democrat they were pleased with Mitten's campaign's incompetence but, as an American, ashamed as well. I'd rather we were able to beat Mittens by the same margin when DF was the base line of his campaign rather than so far above it. Then it would be easy to say we were truly best for the nation.

Seriously, I can't imagine that the GOP could try to make hay of a subpar jobs report on the first anniversary of the introduction of the American Jobs Act, which even pessimistic estimates say would create somewhere in the vicinity of 1 million jobs and increase GDP in the neighborhood of 1.2%. Seriously, do the GOP wanna hand that sorta talking point to the Dems?

re: #56 goddamnedfrank

The one nice thing about being President is that your ride doesn't break down.

My favorite (indeed only) story about Gerald Ford has him running through the White House. Someone asked to speak to him, and he said yes, but keep up, because he had to catch Air Force One, which was about to leave.

"Mr. President," the person speaking to him said, "They'll wait for you."

re: #77 Digital Display

I think Biden - Ryan debate will be entertaining and chock full of fireworks.
I've watched Ryan on the Sunday Morning talk shows so I think it would be a mistake to under estimate his debating skills.

I think Ryan works best when the press is kissing his ass and tossing softballs or when he's sharing the stage with like-minded folks. And I think Biden is gonna take every opportunity given to needle the little prince, looking for a pressure point he can squeeze to get Paul Rand to scream.

re: #60 Digital Display

I can't wait for the debates.. They will pretty much decide the election.
I think Ryan will hold his own but Mitt is a different story. He can't debate like he did with the GOP acting like he is above the fray. This is man to man on the line and I just can't see how he wins as a CEO.

Being from Wisconsin, I've watched Ryan for a while now. He is in so far over his head that he has no clue how badly he is going to get hammered in the debates. People make the mistake of thinking Biden's stupid. He's not and he's going to shred a guy who thinks Ayn Rand is high philosophy. And God help Ryan if he makes the mistake of trying to quote one of the doctors to support his position.

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Being from Wisconsin, I've watched Ryan for a while now. He is in so far over his head that he has no clue how badly he is going to get hammered in the debates. People make the mistake of thinking Biden's stupid. He's not and he's going to shred a guy who thinks Ayn Rand is high philosophy. And God help Ryan if he makes the mistake of trying to quote one of the doctors to support his position.

No matter what, those who support him will claim he won.

But I do think Biden is going to shred him. Biden can be goofy, but he's smart, and he can be pretty brutal when he feels like it.

re: #81 Targetpractice

I think Ryan works best when the press is kissing his ass and tossing softballs or when he's sharing the stage with like-minded folks. And I think Biden is gonna take every opportunity given to needle the little prince, looking for a pressure point he can squeeze to get Paul Rand to scream.

I agree. I'll bet on age and treachery every time. I think Biden is the one who people tend to underestimate.

re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar

"Excuse me stewardess, I talk jive".

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."

re: #85 Kragar

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you".

Cream?

No thanks, I like it black, just like my men.

re: #84 allegro

I agree. I'll bet on age and treachery every time. I think Biden is the one who people tend to underestimate.

LITERALLY!

People give Biden a lot of shit, but he's a lot smarter than they give him credit for being. He's not going to be a pushover for Paul Ryan.

re: #87 allegro

Cream?

No thanks, I like it black, just like my men.

Not from the movie:
I like my women the same way I like my coffee: Ground up and in the freezer.

Looking through some SDR Reports. Here's an older one.

ACFT IN CRUISE FLIGHT AT FL360, CREW HEARD WHAT SOUNDED LIKE A COMPRESSOR STALL ON LT SIDE. ON CLOSING THE LT THROTTLE, NR 1 ENGINE WAS OBSERVED TO BE WINDING DOWN. DECLARED AN EMERGENCY. FOLLOWED COM PROCEDURE FOR ENGINE FAILURE ON DESCENT & DIVERTED. NR 1 ENGINE WAS RESTARTED. ACFT CONTINUED TO DESTINATION & LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER INCIDENT. MX DETERMINED THAT SEVERAL N1 FAN BLADES WERE BADLY WARPED (BENT) WITH NO RIPS OR TEARS. REMOVED ENGINE WHILE THE C-1 IS BEING REPAIRED. BASED UPON THE DAMAGE FOUND, ICE IS SUSPECTED AS THE CAUSE OF THE FOD.

re: #85 Kragar

"I just want to tell you both good luck. We're all counting on you."

"Shanna, they bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em crash."

re: #82 William Barnett-Lewis

Being from Wisconsin, I've watched Ryan for a while now. He is in so far over his head that he has no clue how badly he is going to get hammered in the debates. People make the mistake of thinking Biden's stupid. He's not and he's going to shred a guy who thinks Ayn Rand is high philosophy. And God help Ryan if he makes the mistake of trying to quote one of the doctors to support his position.

Absolutely.

Speaking of debates... anyone know the schedule?

re: #93 allegro

Speaking of debates... anyone know the schedule?

[Link: www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com...]

Biden -Ryan debate will be great..
I'll bet there will be ziggers left and right
Biden will be off -script ( His staff will look like smurfs holding their collective breath )
Biden will not have to be the same way as with Palin. He had to walk a fine line not to appear being a Bully.
It will be classic

re: #81 Targetpractice

I think Ryan works best when the press is kissing his ass and tossing softballs or when he's sharing the stage with like-minded folks. And I think Biden is gonna take every opportunity given to needle the little prince, looking for a pressure point he can squeeze to get Paul Rand to scream.

Exactly. And when he finds that button, he'll push it every second. I fully expect he'll needle Ryan about his marathon time in his opening. If that gets a rise (and the sad thing is I think it will) then all hell will break lose in that so called debate.

re: #93 allegro

Speaking of debates... anyone know the schedule?

[Link: www.youdecidepolitics.com...]

re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist

No matter what, those who support him will claim he won.

But I do think Biden is going to shred him. Biden can be goofy, but he's smart, and he can be pretty brutal when he feels like it.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That is what people forget. At their peril.

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

Not from the movie:
I like my women the same way I like my coffee: Ground up and in the freezer.

Also not from the movie:

"We come into the world naked, screaming and covered in blood... and there is no reason for the fun to stop there."

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com...]

Thanks! But darn, hafta wait almost a whole month.

Well, that was drugs in video form. Thank you, Charles. I feel soothed and relaxed now, and no side effects.

I saw an old photograph of Mt. St. Helens the other day, and it hurt, remembering that it was once the most beautiful of mountains. I was up there last weekend, up at Climber's Bivouac, picking huckleberries.

A lot of Crater Lake in the video, but that's probably because it's gorgeous.

re: #92 OhNoZombies!

Absolutely.

Ah, you got the import of "the doctors".

re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis

Exactly. And when he finds that button, he'll push it every second. I fully expect he'll needle Ryan about his marathon time in his opening. If that gets a rise (and the sad thing is I think it will) then all hell will break lose in that so called debate.

Not just the marathon time, either. Paul Ryan's mountain-climbing claims are also fodder for Biden.

re: #96 William Barnett-Lewis

Exactly. And when he finds that button, he'll push it every second. I fully expect he'll needle Ryan about his marathon time in his opening. If that gets a rise (and the sad thing is I think it will) then all hell will break lose in that so called debate.

Think you're right, Biden's gonna go for the jugular early and Ryan's gonna try to respond by going on the offensive. But Biden's got the age and experience to shrug off such attacks while keeping up his own, which is gonna just piss off Ryan more. It's a question of whether Ryan will get tripped up or explode first.

Just got back from the Candlelight tour at Fort Vancouver, which I love, because I love living history.

There were a lot of Asians this year, which is fine, although historically inaccurate. (If they were going to be accurate, everyone would have to be English, Scottish, French, or Native American.)

One lovely young woman in the apothecary's office was trying hard to convince my sons to let her try out her bloodletting skills on them.

re: #101 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Well, that was drugs in video form. Thank you, Charles. I feel soothed and relaxed now, and no side effects.

I saw an old photograph of Mt. St. Helens the other day, and it hurt, remembering that it was once the most beautiful of mountains. I was up there last weekend, up at Climber's Bivouac, picking huckleberries.

A lot of Crater Lake in the video, but that's probably because it's gorgeous.

My husband and I used to go to Alaska to visit my family there every other summer. (OK, not so much to visit family but for him to fish and me to hike and photograph.) Flying over Mt. St. Helens the year after the eruption brought tears to my eyes. Such a ghastly wound. Amazing vision from the air.

re: #104 Targetpractice

Martha Raddatz is the moderator. Not a fan of hers, personally.

re: #106 allegro

My husband and I used to go to Alaska to visit my family there every other summer. (OK, not so much to visit family but for him to fish and me to hike and photograph.) Flying over Mt. St. Helens the year after the eruption brought tears to my eyes. Such a ghastly wound. Amazing vision from the air.

It's a stub, basically.

My mother knew Spirit Lake well, but I never went up there--too young.

re: #108 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Everything changes, but the Earth abides. We just usually don't see it on a time scale our little lives can understand.

re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar

Martha Raddatz is the moderator. Not a fan of hers, personally.

Not familiar enough with her views to guess how she's gonna operate as moderator, but if the moderation during the GOP debates is any indication of how the press is gonna act, Ryan's gonna get cut some serious slack.

re: #110 Targetpractice

Not familiar enough with her views to guess how she's gonna operate as moderator, but if the moderation during the GOP debates is any indication of how the press is gonna act, Ryan's gonna get cut some serious slack.

I've seen he many times. She speaks as if everything is a fucking crisis.
"The whack-a-mole at the Chucky Cheese is broken and kids don't understand why their Saturday afternoon was ruined".
/

Got the plane.

re: #110 Targetpractice

Not familiar enough with her views to guess how she's gonna operate as moderator, but if the moderation during the GOP debates is any indication of how the press is gonna act, Ryan's gonna get cut some serious slack.

Yeah, but the problem for those poor moderators it they're working on the presumption of the old "roll over and die" democrats. Joe says "Homey don't play that game".

Brian Ross is reporting the coffee maker is broken. He found a Tea Party member who also owns a coffee maker.
///douche

[Link: planefinder.net...]

re: #113 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, but the problem for those poor moderators it they're working on the presumption of the old "roll over and die" democrats. Joe says "Homey don't play that game".

I don't know. We got to see plenty of Joe in the debates 4 years ago in the primaries and he never much impressed me. He didn't even particularly distinguish himself against Palin when they had a Veep debate.

re: #113 William Barnett-Lewis

Yeah, but the problem for those poor moderators it they're working on the presumption of the old "roll over and die" democrats. Joe says "Homey don't play that game".

Yeah, Biden is definitely the kinda guy you want to put up against someone like Ryan. He's got decades of experience dealing with young bucks who think that they're the next big thing in their party. I almost feel sorry for the little prick...almost.

I can't wait for Romney to try his "You can ask the questions you want, I'm gonna give the answers I want," schtick on Candy Crowley. It's going to be hilarious watching the camera guy squeegee bits of dripping ego off the lens.

re: #109 William Barnett-Lewis

Everything changes, but the Earth abides. We just usually don't see it on a time scale our little lives can understand.

The only stuff that doesn't recycle is what man makes.

Saab 2000 turboprop.

HENDRICK MOTORSPORTS LLC

re: #118 goddamnedfrank

I can't wait for Romney to try his "You can ask the questions you want, I'm gonna give the answers I want," schtick on Candy Crowley. It's going to be hilarious watching the camera guy squeegee bits of dripping ego off the lens.

I'm not sure Willard has the balls to pull that sort of shit, I honestly don't. he could get away with it when he was trying to "rise above" the rest of the pack. Now? He tries to act "tough" with the mod, he's gonna look like the self-righteous prick he is.

re: #116 danarchy

He didn't want to appear as if he was bullying poor little Palin.

re: #121 Gus

HENDRICK MOTORSPORTS LLC

I've heard of Allison transmissions, but not engines.

re: #121 Gus

[Link: www.hendrickmotorsports.com...]

You know. This is kind of a security blunder on their part. They should not be open for tracking.

re: #126 Gus

You know. This is kind of a security blunder on their part. They should not be open for tracking.

Go to any major airport. Drink at the bar. You'll eventually know the high and low traffic times.

re: #116 danarchy

I don't know. We got to see plenty of Joe in the debates 4 years ago in the primaries and he never much impressed me. He didn't even particularly distinguish himself against Palin when they had a Veep debate.

He had his hands tied in the debate with Palin. He couldn't come out with the heavy artillery without appearing to bully a woman, especially one with such limited abilities. He isn't so restrained this time. I think we'll be seeing a much different performance.

re: #116 danarchy

I don't know. We got to see plenty of Joe in the debates 4 years ago in the primaries and he never much impressed me. He didn't even particularly distinguish himself against Palin when they had a Veep debate.

Where if he'd given her what she deserved he'd have been slammed for being "sexist"? He won't have his hands tied this time. "Noun, Verb, 9/11". If the little rat bastard from Janesville gets off that light, he'll be fucking lucky.

re: #124 Cannadian Club Akbar

I've heard of Allison transmissions, but not engines.

Yeah, they're not around anymore on account of being bought out by Rolls-Royce. Used to be big in aircraft engine manufacturing, first piston engines and then turbojet and turboprop engines after WWII.

re: #127 Cannadian Club Akbar

Go to any major airport. Drink at the bar. You'll eventually know the high and low traffic times.

The Secret Service will be at my door any minute now.

//

re: #131 Gus

The Secret Service will be at my door any minute now.

//

Dude, it's just the pizza guy. Lay off the meth.
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re: #131 Gus

The Secret Service will be at my door any minute now.

//

Why? Do you have a bunch of Hookers there?
/

Tulane's Devon Walker sustains broken neck in game against Tulsa
[Link: aol.sportingnews.com...]
God's speed.

HENDRICK, RICK MR.
CHARLOTTE, NC 28212
HENDRICK AUTOMOTIVE GROUP

ROMNEY / PAUL D. RYAN, MITT
VIA ROMNEY FOR PRESIDENT INC.
04/24/2012 2500.00 12952794498

But!

HENDRICK, RICK
CHARLOTTE, NC 28210
HENDRICKS RACING

EDWARDS, JOHN
VIA JOHN EDWARDS FOR PRESIDENT
03/21/2007 2000.00 27931003809

That is known as hedging your bets.

re: #128 allegro

He had his hands tied in the debate with Palin. He couldn't come out with the heavy artillery without appearing to bully a woman, especially one with such limited abilities. He isn't so restrained this time. I think we'll be seeing a much different performance.

And what did the press say the day after? That Palin had "won" by virtue of "exceeding expectations," even though the bar on those expectations was resting on the floor of Satan's wine cellar. Considering how high the bar's been set for Ryan, I don't think Biden's gonna pull his punches.

re: #136 Gus

All bodies recovered at Hendrick crash site
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

All bodies recovered at Hendrick crash site
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

No wanna jinx.

re: #140 Gus

No wanna jinx.

My sister works for Hendrick. (not with race cars)

re: #141 Cannadian Club Akbar

My sister works for Hendrick. (not with race cars)

NC?

That's one fast turboprop. They're doing 397 MPH.

re: #142 Gus

NC?

No. He has his hands in many things. But automotive,yes.

re: #143 Gus

That's one fast turboprop. They're doing 397 MPH.

Fastest turboprop aircraft was clocked at 540 mph.

re: #138 Targetpractice

And what did the press say the day after? That Palin had "won" by virtue of "exceeding expectations," even though the bar on those expectations was resting on the floor of Satan's wine cellar. Considering how high the bar's been set for Ryan, I don't think Biden's gonna pull his punches.

The first image that comes to mind when I think about a Ryan-Biden debate is a cat toying with a cockroach.

re: #145 Targetpractice

Fastest turboprop aircraft was clocked at 540 mph.

441

I see Steyn is hating on Sandra Fluke again.

Over at HotWingnuts, the commenters are keeping in character:

Yeah Rush was right. Fluke’s a slut.

bgibbs1000 on September 8, 2012 at 11:59 PM

re: #147 Gus

441

Turboprops can move pretty quick. Only limiting factor is keeping the props from going supersonic.

re: #149 Targetpractice

Turboprops can move pretty quick. Only limiting factor is keeping the props from going supersonic.

Yep. Turboprop engines are also very sensitive.

re: #150 Gus

Yep. Turboprop engines are also very sensitive.

True, but if you can build a reliable design, you get all the advantages of a turbofan, but with much better fuel economy.

I am disappoint.

Fucked up man.

re: #153 Gus

re: #152 Gus

re: #154 freetoken

re: #152 Gus

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Apparently it's still LGB.

Nighty all. See ya in 6 hours.:)

re: #154 freetoken

re: #152 Gus

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Hmm. The mpg killed my space bar after a bit. Anyway. It's not like I didn't notice this before. It's gotten better since 2008 but a lot of people still hold onto some socially conservative ideas. Even the secular amongst us. When I say I'm a social liberal I mean it.

G'night all.

Within the past 24 hours I found myself defending a Christian fundamentalist group and a transsexual prisoner. Interesting that.

We need more religious people like this [via @stevesilberman]: twitter.com/JasonFebery/st...

— Jason Febery (@JasonFebery) September 9, 2012

re: #73 Lidane

Note to the Romney press pool -- if you hear anyone say this, RUN:

Surely you have to be kidding, right?

CHRISTIAN PALEONTOLOGY DESERVES EQUAL TIME!

re: #162 freetoken

y did you make me look at that...??

Burp.

Cardinal Dolan Uses DNC Closing Prayer to Attack LGBT Community

After what I read today it's not really surprising. I mean, come on now really. They knew what they were getting with Dolan.

re: #126 Gus

You know. This is kind of a security blunder on their part. They should not be open for tracking.

I've tracked government surveillance aircraft on that site.

re: #163 Mocking Jay

y did you make me look at that...??

To further the 1000 years of unbelievable horror my Master Barrack promises to deliver unto America.

Americans think their nation should be able to start a war anywhere around the globe yet are repelled by the notion of seeing uncensored war photography before their eyes. Only because, well, they think they'll become, desensitized. I laugh.

Wheels down.

Romney's in the Boston area now as are, the troops.

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

Have you ever been in a men's locker room?
(you started it!!!)

Do you like gladiator movies?

Wonder how she got this? ;)

Romney plane wheels down in Bedford, MA. Safe, easy flight thanks to Hendricks racing team plane which was in town for NASCAR

— Bonney Kapp (@bkappCBS) September 9, 2012

Actually it does have the team name on its side.

Just finished a test run of a little time lapse from Grand Canyon. It needs good audio and to be slowed some but it's not bad for a "daily"

re: #167 Gus

Over the past couple of years I've been listening to American popular music of post-WWII - as if one couldn't tell from the all the links I post at nighttime - and there are trends one can discern over 60 years or so.

One observation is the increasingly violent (by which I mean aggressive) sound that grew in popularity - e.g., the rise of hard rock, then some types of rap. Another trend is the rise and fall (and then further rise and fall) of the maudlin song - think middle 50's and mid 70's.

There are brief periods of idealism - from say '65 to '71 or '72:

Post Watergate and post Vietnam took care of all that.

The last decade or so strikes me as a time of post-modern malaise in America, a real exhaustion of ideas. I suspect this is why some of the hucksters, e.g. certain GOP operatives, keep harping on corny, idealist-but-never-was faux-history of America - they know people want something to believe in, and that neediness is a target of their marketing.

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

[Link: www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com...]

Romney's going to win the one on Oct 16th, moderator Candy Crowley will see to it (if she was skinnier and blonde, she'd be working at Fox). The Jim Lehrer and Bob Schieffer ones the candidates will have to stand on their own merits.

re: #175 sagehen

Romney's going to win the one on Oct 16th, moderator Candy Crowley will see to it (if she was skinnier and blonde, she'd be working at Fox). The Jim Lehrer and Bob Schieffer ones the candidates will have to stand on their own merits.

What? Candy Crowley? Moderating?

OK, now I need a smoke.

re: #175 sagehen

Romney's going to win the one on Oct 16th, moderator Candy Crowley will see to it (if she was skinnier and blonde, she'd be working at Fox). The Jim Lehrer and Bob Schieffer ones the candidates will have to stand on their own merits.

Conservatives are whining over Crowley being a liberal, her citing unnamed Republicans calling the Ryan VP nom "some sort of ticket death wish." I think she's a cypher, a career correspondent that both sides are going to invest with their hopes and fears.

Lubbock is rated as the second most conservative city in America, after Provo Utah.
It is also an absolute hellhole for anyone with even a snippet of intellect and honor. The local goobers are so profoundly dishonest they even lie with the way they drive: If you pull onto a street and there is a Lubbock road-neck coming your direction two blocks away, it will accelerate right onto your bumper in order to pretend you cut it off. If you are making a right turn, a moron in a giant SUV will pull up beside you and inch forward to block your view of oncoming traffic. If you pull up, they pull up, and so on until one of you is in the lane of traffic. A Lubbock baboon will stare at you in public like you pissed on his wife's shoes, then play the victim and pretend you are a bully and crazy person if you ask what his problem is. Half the men here act like they are on the verge of fighting any second, scowls, belligerent body language of all kinds, etc. yet they seldom fight and most of them don't have a clue how.
I really should sell my business and get the hell out. Unlike almost every other businessman in this pit, though, I am worried about my employees and what will become of them. Any promises along this line that I extract from the new owners are unlikely to be kept, Lubbock business ethics being what they are. They respect nothing but force and they are only as honest as the extent to which they believe you have them by the balls.

Ethics in action...

re: #179 Kragar

Ethics in action...

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Ah, the blessings of technology, a video camera in this case.

If I win the lottery or otherwise run into a lot of dough, I might hire a team of aggressive young videographers to go around Lubbock documenting the stupid, obnoxious, dangerous, and downright weird things Lubbockites do. I would put it on a giant professionally run website with expert commentary from psychologists and comedians, something like People of WalMart but directed at willful behavior rather than superficial appearance. The world could gape in wonder, and laugh and mock at the greatest freak show since PT Barnum.

President Barack Obama DNC Speech Reaction

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

Lubbock is rated as the second most conservative city in America, after Provo Utah.
It is also an absolute hellhole for anyone with even a snippet of intellect and honor. The local goobers are so profoundly dishonest they even lie with the way they drive: If you pull onto a street and there is a Lubbock road-neck coming your direction two blocks away, it will accelerate right onto your bumper in order to pretend you cut it off. If you are making a right turn, a moron in a giant SUV will pull up beside you and inch forward to block your view of oncoming traffic. If you pull up, they pull up, and so on until one of you is in the lane of traffic. A Lubbock baboon will stare at you in public like you pissed on his wife's shoes, then play the victim and pretend you are a bully and crazy person if you ask what his problem is. Half the men here act like they are on the verge of fighting any second, scowls, belligerent body language of all kinds, etc. yet they seldom fight and most of them don't have a clue how.
I really should sell my business and get the hell out. Unlike almost every other businessman in this pit, though, I am worried about my employees and what will become of them. Any promises along this line that I extract from the new owners are unlikely to be kept, Lubbock business ethics being what they are. They respect nothing but force and they are only as honest as the extent to which they believe you have them by the balls.

Molly Ivins was from Lubbock, wasn't she?

re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist

Molly Ivins was from Lubbock, wasn't she?

Molly was born in Monterrey CA and grew up in Houston. She used to comment about the goings-on in Lubbock, almost none of it positive. I liked her a lot even though we were on opposite sides of the political fence in those days.

Lubbock was selected as the 12th best place to start a small business by CNNMoney.com.[11] They mentioned the community's traditional business atmosphere, less expensive rent for commercial space, and its central location and cooperation from city government. Lubbock High School has been recognized for three consecutive years by Newsweek as one of the top high schools in the United States. Lubbock High School is home to the only International Baccalaureate (IB) program in the region. The IB program is one of the criteria examined by Newsweek in formulating their list of top high schools.[12]

Sounds like Paradise.

Nine Inch Nails - Survivalism

Morning, all

Placebo - Pure Morning

I need to get me a fedora.

Instant cool cred.

Of course, it would be nice I could sing like that...

Chris Cornell - When I'm Down

re: #178 Shiplord Kirel

Gold. And you haven't even mentioned Mike Leach or Craig James yet!

Temple Of The Dog - Pushin' Forward Back

Alice in Chains And Chris Cornell - Right Turn

Incubus - Warning

re: #194 freetoken

Classic.

Jerry Cantrell - Cut You In

re: #196 researchok

Gus's #167 inspired me to post it.

re: #198 freetoken

Gus's #167 inspired me to post it.

No truer words.

Finally on my listening list for the night - a little bit of opera. Yeah, not such a popular thing these days, and frankly not my favorite either (though I kind of dig the big Wagner sound). I'm not much into Italian opera but there are a few pieces that have really beautiful songs, and none more so than the following, which is heard often (and I linked a purely instrumental version a few days ago).

It's on my short list of really, really pretty pieces of music:

re: #81 Targetpractice

I think Ryan works best when the press is kissing his ass and tossing softballs or when he's sharing the stage with like-minded folks. And I think Biden is gonna take every opportunity given to needle the little prince, looking for a pressure point he can squeeze to get Paul Rand to scream.

Biden will try, but he's fairly gaffe-prone. Paul Ryan should win if he stays cool and lets Biden screw-up. Ryan should stay strident, though, in case Biden doesn't screw up, offering his relative youth and unquestioned dynamism as a contrast to the Veep whom the author of No Easy Day openly compared to someone's drunken uncle at a wedding (and that when Biden was sober!)).

re: #202 Dark_Falcon

His dynamism is highly questionable: He keeps lying about stuff he's done, like climbing mountains and running marathons in under three hours. Really pointless lies, too, just self-aggrandizing bullshit.

Also, his budget was a pathetic joke based on complete fiction, so there's that, too.

re: #175 sagehen

Romney's going to win the one on Oct 16th, moderator Candy Crowley will see to it (if she was skinnier and blonde, she'd be working at Fox). The Jim Lehrer and Bob Schieffer ones the candidates will have to stand on their own merits.

Don't think so, because that one is a "town meeting" format, with the questions coming from undecided voters. Crowley will be able to ask followup questions, but in 2008 the second debate (with the same format) is the one that many people think he performed best on, and gave him the final bit of momentum he needed to put the election in his favor.

re: #203 Obdicut

His physical fitness routine's highly demanding nature is beyond question, and I doubt Biden will be able to go after the Ryan budget effectively. If he tries, Ryan should interrupt with "At least I proposed a budget. That's more than you and President Obama did. You guys have messed up the budget process seven ways past Sunday ramming Obamacare down America's throat!"

re: #204 RadicalModerate

Don't think so, because that one is a "town meeting" format, with the questions coming from undecided voters. Crowley will be able to ask followup questions, but in 2008 the second debate (with the same format) is the one that many people think he performed best on, and gave him the final bit of momentum he needed to put the election in his favor.

Mitt should reach back to his time at Bain for that one, and be ready to incentivize his policies for undecided voters. He needs to describe what they'll get by voting for him, and thus make them see voting for him as being in their interests.

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

His physical fitness routine's highly demanding nature is beyond question

So why does he feel the need to lie about it so much?

, and I doubt Biden will be able to go after the Ryan budget effectively. If he tries, Ryan should interrupt with "At least I proposed a budget. That's more than you and President Obama did.

Oh, so your solution is that Ryan should lie some more?

You guys have messed up the budget process seven ways past Sunday ramming Obamacare down America's throat!"

It's harmful to our society for politicians to pretend that passing bills in open session is somehow forcing them on the public, Dark. That way lies anarchy.

A lot of the GOP's game these days is very much drawn from the anarchists.

I'm going to go work out like a mofo.

re: #207 Obdicut

Obama and Biden used a whole bunch of tricks to force through an unpopular healthcare law. No matter what they say about it, it remains unpopular. I do not think my characterization of such an effort to be harmful, nor do i think its lying for Paul Ryan to note the Obama administration's general indifference to the budget process. It is concern trolling, but I give politicians a pass on that normally.

re: #209 Dark_Falcon

No, dude, it's a lie, and a really dangerous one, to start attacking the democratic process like that to score cheap political points. You really need to start thinking about the extent to which the GOP is the anarchist party.

It's also a really obvious, huge lie to say Obama didn't submit a budget. I hope Ryan does go with your plan for that, because it'd make him look like a complete lying moron.

re: #210 Obdicut

He submitted one last year, but it was such a joke it got voted down by both houses. I don't remember if the White House submitted something for this year.

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

He submitted one last year, but it was such a joke it got voted down by both houses. .

Thanks for admitting that it was a lie to claim Obama didn't submit a budget.

Why did you claim he hadn't?

re: #212 Obdicut

I was referring to this year, not last year. In many cases I write this "reply to Dems" lines off the cuff, so sometimes I get a detail wrong.

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

I was referring to this year, not last year. In many cases I write this "reply to Dems" lines off the cuff, so sometimes I get a detail wrong.

That's also a lie, Dark.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

It's obvious you write stuff off the cuff. I have no idea why you do it. Most of what you write is easily counter-able or disprovable, and serves to make your 'side' look more foolish and duplicitous.

It really seems like you're back in your 'this is a game' mindset. This is not a game. Being anti-government is not a game. Blaming the government and society for everything is the position of anarchists, not people serious about democracy.

re: #214 Obdicut

That's also a lie, Dark.

[Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

It's obvious you write stuff off the cuff. I have no idea why you do it.

Because the blog moves at a fast pace and writing here is usually not the only thing I'm doing at the time.

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Because the blog moves at a fast pace and writing here is usually not the only thing I'm doing at the time.

That's a piss-poor excuse for lying, and then just changing the lie when you're called on it. Severely disappointing, Dark.

And Fox News does have a nice bit on Joe "Gaffe-Guy" Biden's "Let Me Have It!" moment:

Vice President Biden is doubling down on watchdog groups and others who are saying he made misleading remarks in a speech earlier this week regarding the Romney-Ryan rescue plan for Medicare – daring reporters to “fact check me.”

Biden put down the challenge during a speech Saturday, after saying as he did during his acceptance speech Thursday at the Democratic National Convention that GOP presidential nominee Mitt Romney and running mate Rep. Paul Ryan’s plan would cut benefits immediately for 30 million seniors already collecting Medicare.

SNIP

Among the questionable remarks were Biden's argument that "after the worst job loss since the Great Depression we created 4.5 million private sector jobs in the past 29 months" – a frequent response by the Obama campaign when questioned about the slow economic recovery.

The Associated Press and others point out that statement is misleading because it counts jobs from the recession's lowest point to where employment began to grow again – excluding jobs lost earlier in Obama's term and masking that overall unemployment has increased over that period.

"Overall, roughly 7.5 million jobs were lost during the recession that began in December 2007 and ended officially in June 2009," according to the wire service.

re: #215 Dark_Falcon

Yes,but Dark,it doesn't take but a couple of moments to find out what's going on. The White House website is full of info and it's pretty easy to navigate.

This isn't team sports,this messes with people's lives. You're kinda acting like this is a football game or something.

I want to ask you something. The Republicans are saying they are going to repeal and replace Obamacare. With what exactly? I can't find anything other than the voucher stuff,which is not going to work for my family. I've got serious concerns about this,since my 18 yr old with Asperger Syndrome can now be on our insurance for awhile longer. If we go back to what we had before,he'll be basically uninsurable unless he can find a decent job with benefits by the time he's 26. You are a proud conservative Dark,instead of a knee jerk"my team right or wrong",explain to me how the Republican plan will help my family keep our kid insured. I've checked into it,private stand alone insurance would cost us well over 1000 dollars a month,maybe more if "pre-existing conditions"are allowed back on the table. Help me to understand why a Romney/Ryan vote would be good for my family.

re: #217 Dark_Falcon

The Associated Press and others point out that statement is misleading because it counts jobs from the recession's lowest point to where employment began to grow again – excluding jobs lost earlier in Obama's term and masking that overall unemployment has increased over that period.

Except that's exactly what Biden claimed-- that after the worst job losses, jobs were created. Yet another strange fact-check that manages to call something that's completely true deceptive. I have no idea why people think that Obama should be responsible for job losses from the recession that he inherited, either.

re: #219 Obdicut

Except that's exactly what Biden claimed-- that after the worst job losses, jobs were created. Yet another strange fact-check that manages to call something that's completely true deceptive. I have no idea why people think that Obama should be responsible for job losses from the recession that he inherited, either.

What the AP is saying, Obdi, is that Biden only told half of the story and that things are still worse than when he and Obama took office.

And Obama gets the blame for the losses because he was holding the chair when the losses happened and because of all the yakking he did about how his stimulus bill would rapidly stem the recession (which it did not do).

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

What the AP is saying, Obdi, is that Biden only told half of the story and that things are still worse than when he and Obama took office.

Yep. That's true. And totally irrelevant to the point Biden was making.

And Obama gets the blame for the losses because he was holding the chair when the losses happened and because of all the yakking he did about how his stimulus bill would rapidly stem the recession (which it did not do).

Yes, it did, Dark. Economists other than the complete Randites are in agreement on that.

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

re: #220 Dark_Falcon

We were losing well over 600K jobs a month before Jan 2009 Dark. And if you'll recall,the stimulus had a big percentage of tax cuts involved to get Republicans to even consider it. Tax cuts don't create jobs,if they did,the Bush tax cuts would have worked. They obviously didn't do that. The stimulus should have been bigger and included a shit ton of infrastructure repair projects,why didn't that happen? That would have created a bunch of long term jobs,fixing our infrastructure is going to take at least a decade.Do not blame Democrats for that part,it was Republicans freaking out over the deficit that stopped the ball from rolling forward.

re: #221 Obdicut

No, it didn't. At most it temporarily limited losses in some categories. The unemployment rate still went up well past where Obama said it would top out. So that leaves the fact that Obama was using bad data when he described the effect he hoped the stimulus would have. The question that remain then are "Why was the data bad?", "Could better data have been generated for Obama's, and if so why was it not so generated?" and depending on the answers to those questions we can get to a final question: "Was Obama's pushing of the stimulus honest?"

re: #211 Dark_Falcon

He submitted one last year, but it was such a joke it got voted down by both houses. I don't remember if the White House submitted something for this year.

No, it didn't get voted down in both houses. The house Republicans tossed it and created their own. The Senate voted that down.

Nothing like a little revisionist history on a Sunday morning...

'Morning, Lizards.

I've never seen a little stubby guy spin so hard.

"Think about it," Gingrich said on CNN's "State of the Union," summing up how he interpreted Clinton's message: "I had the longest period of economic growth in economic history; you didn't, Mr. Obama. I got to four balanced budgets by working with Republicans; you didn't, Mr. Obama."

"You can take his speech, spin it not very much, and it's actually a condemnation of the fact that Obama learned nothing ... out of the 2010 election."

He's really gonna go with that?

re: #224 kirkspencer

No, it didn't get voted down in both houses. The house Republicans tossed it and created their own. The Senate voted that down.

The Senate also voted Obama's budget down and that I am certain about.

re: #226 makeitstop

I've never seen a little stubby guy spin so hard.

He's really gonna go with that?

Newt hates Clinton and sees him as an egomaniac. [insert joke line here]

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

The Senate also voted Obama's budget down and that I am certain about.

Because the GOP tried some procedural trick - replacing one budget with another, IIRC - so even Democrats wouldn't vote for it.

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

The Senate also voted Obama's budget down and that I am certain about.

I went back and checked. I forgot about the 97-0 vote.

Of course I had also forgotten the details of the shenanigans the Republicans were pulling at the time.

re: #228 Dark_Falcon

Newt hates Clinton and sees him as an egomaniac. [insert joke line here]

I'd go with 'takes one to know one.'

re: #231 makeitstop

I'd go with 'takes one to know one.'

An old line, but one that still has some punch.

Any other suggestions?

Yard work and doggie walks await. Have a lovely Sunday Lizards.

re: #227 Dark_Falcon

The Senate also voted Obama's budget down and that I am certain about.

If I'm reading this correctly, an amendment was added by a Republican to the budget in both houses and thus the budget was voted down.

House and Senate Unanimously Reject Obama Budgets — Or Do They?

Morning, everyone...let's start with a chuckle...

Ann Romney is saying her husband is demonized. Must be tough with all of those people calling him a Marxist Kenyan Socialist Hitler.

— Moody_Loner (@MoodyLoner) September 9, 2012

Mornng Honcos.

re: #235 darthstar

@moodyloner Just because Obama gets demonized as well doesn't mean she's wrong. And she's not wrong, understand that.

— Kurt Akemann (@Dark_Falcon7) September 9, 2012

oy

FSU was favored by 70 1/2 points yesterday. They won 55-0. But the game was called in the 3rd quarter because of lightning. Wonder if that cancelled all bets.

Why Romney's on MTP this morning:

MItt's big challenge: easing "you're blowing it!" panic that afflicts a campaign's supporters when polls turn bad--even if#s are small.

— Jeff Greenfield (@greenfield64) September 9, 2012

re: #237 Dark_Falcon

Bah. Such crybabies.

re: #241 andres

Bah. Such crybabies.

If you can't take the heat, get off the campaign trail.

On Day 1 I'm going to repeal Obamacare!

And then I'm going to peal it.

Then repeal it.

Is this thing on?

Romney flips again. Now he'll keep parts of ACA. Won't say which, bc policy isn't the point. Just trying to fuzz things up to win indies.

— roadkillrefugee (@rkref) September 9, 2012

re: #240 darthstar

Greenfield's not always right, but he's almost always worth listening to. As an analyst and as a person, he's a good egg.

re: #223 Dark_Falcon

No, it didn't. At most it temporarily limited losses in some categories.

Nope. It permanently saved a lot of jobs that would have otherwise disappeared. This is reality.

The unemployment rate still went up well past where Obama said it would top out. So that leaves the fact that Obama was using bad data when he described the effect he hoped the stimulus would have.

Yep. He underestimated the problem and the amount of spending necessary to counter it.

At this point I'll remind you that up until Obama's election, the GOP knew that spending during a recession was necessary. It is an entirely new thing for the Ayn Rand bullshit of cutting spending during a recession has come into vogue. So remember, please, that what you're saying was acknowledged to be bullshit by the GOP ten years ago.

"Was Obama's pushing of the stimulus honest?"

Yes. What is dishonest is for you, and the GOP, to pretend that government spending during a recession isn't acknowledged as a good thing by people other than Randian Von Mises radicals.

Mitt Romney: I'll keep the good parts of Obamacare tpm.ly/RzP0kS

— Talking Points Memo (@TPM) September 9, 2012

I'm sure that will go over well with the wingnuts, who want total repeal of every part of Obamacare.

"Our problem is not that we are overtaxed. We are overtaxed." --Paul Ryan *blink*

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) September 9, 2012

re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar

FSU was favored by 70 1/2 points yesterday. They won 55-0. But the game was called in the 3rd quarter because of lightning. Wonder if that cancelled all bets.

FSU left the field

6 plays later Savannah State scored!!
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re: #246 Lidane

Mitt can't win with the wingnuts alone, and he has to differ from them in some regards to establish he's not their thrall. Given what he passed in Massachusetts, this is a wise thing for him to say. It may help blunt some attacks on him, and if done right will actually let him tout some of his accomplishments.

re: #245 Obdicut

Nope. It permanently saved a lot of jobs that would have otherwise disappeared. This is reality.

Cite sources.

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Mitt can't win with the wingnuts alone, and he has to differ from them in some regards to establish he's not their thrall. Given what he passed in Massachusetts, this is a wise thing for him to say. It may help blunt some attacks on him, and if done right will actually let him tout some of his accomplishments.

He had the perfect opportunity. At his RNC Speech. And he skipped it.

There seems to be confusion on where the GOP ticket stands:

"Obamacare was a backroom deal" -Paul Ryan #ThisWeek #Um

— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) September 9, 2012

But Mitt Romney just said that he'd keep "the good parts" of Obamacare. Now Ryan is calling it a shady backroom deal.

Could these people make up their minds?

re: #249 Dark_Falcon

Mitt can't win with the wingnuts alone, and he has to differ from them in some regards to establish he's not their thrall. Given what he passed in Massachusetts, this is a wise thing for him to say. It may help blunt some attacks on him, and if done right will actually let him tout some of his accomplishments.

Except that Romneycare = Obamacare to the wingnuts, and he needs them to vote for him if he's going to have any hope at all.

The GOP is off the rails, bugfuck crazy these days. They want total repeal of Obamacare, or in the case of Mitt's new partner in Congress, Steve King, total repeal of every bill that Barack Obama has ever signed. They don't want keeping the good parts, or partial repeal, or anything. They want it ALL gone, and they hate Romneycare just as much.

re: #246 Lidane

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I'm sure that will go over well with the wingnuts, who want total repeal of every part of Obamacare.

The wingnuts don't care anymore. They're all "fuck it...we're stuck with the freak in the magic panties...but we can't vote for Obama."

Assuming Obama holds on in November, and that there's a modest down-ticket affect, I'm looking forward to the wingnuts going ape-shit over how they fucked up by picking Romney...but they didn't actually pick him. They picked Bachmann, until she opened her mouth in public, then they picked Perry, until he imploded, then they picked Gingrich, until he dropped out, and then they were behind Santorum, who just makes people feel like they got an open mouth kiss from their uncle.

Romney's just what you get when you take all that political talent and run it through a sausage grinder.

re: #251 andres

He had the perfect opportunity. At his RNC Speech. And he skipped it.

He had a lot of opportunities with the RNC and they blew it. $100 million spent only to have the nominee upstaged and overshadowed by an empty chair.

re: #242 darthstar

If you can't take the heat, get off the campaign trail.

When Obama was asked about Eastwood speech, he said:

One thing about being president or running for president — if you're easily offended, you should probably choose another profession.

I don't think that was merely being gracious about the whole skit (in part it was graciousness). My second thought was that he's saying Romney has a weak political chin without being obvious about it.