Scientists and Activists Denounce Mitt Romney’s Climate Change Remarks on “Meet the Press”

Pandering to the anti-science crowd
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Mitt Romney first used this moronic anti-science line in his RNC acceptance speech, and it looks like it was such a big hit with the right wing base that he’s going to make it part of his regular spiel: Mitt Romney’s Climate Change Remarks on ‘Meet the Press’ Outrage Environmental Activists.

Mitt Romney outraged environmental activists on Sunday, telling NBC’s David Gregory, “I’m not in this race to slow the rise of the oceans or to heal the planet,” during an interview on “Meet the Press.”

“The reason I’m in this race is to help people,” Romney said. “I’m not in this race to slow the rise of the oceans or to heal the planet. I’m in this race to help the American people.”

Romney made similar remarks during his speech at the Republican National Convention in Tampa, Fla., last month, where he declared to a cheering crowd, “President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise … is to help you and your family.” …

Environmental activists condemned Romney’s remarks on “Meet the Press.” Climate scientist Michael Mann, author of “The Hockey Stick and the Climate Wars,” wrote in an e-mail to The Huffington Post, “It is disconcerting that a major party presidential candidate would show such wanton disregard for the health of our environment. Mr. Romney says he wants to ‘help the American people.’ Yet he mocks concern over human-caused climate change, arguably the greatest threat humanity has ever faced.”

Daniel Kessler, spokesperson for climate campaign 350.org, said it was ironic that Romney wants to help Americans, but not the planet Americans inhabit.

“Mr. Romney can crack all the jokes that he wants to, but his cynicism won’t solve the problem,” Kessler wrote to HuffPost. “Half of the country is in drought, and NASA says it’s linked to climate change. If Mr. Romney finds that funny, then I think it’s appropriate for people to question his leadership and commitment to truly helping the American people.”

Here’s the entire interview, in case you haven’t seen it.

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322 comments
1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:16:18pm

I think I'll skip David Gregory dutifully kissing Romney's ass while giving a reach around.

2 jaunte  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:17:06pm

Time for Pippa to interview Romney.

3 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:19:17pm

Republican policy will kill us all as a species.

4 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:19:45pm

I believe that the reason the RNC flopped and Obama is getting a strong bounce is that voters are not, for the most part, morons.

5 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:20:53pm

re: #3 Kragar

Republican policy will kill us all as a species.

I think probably a small fraction will survive. Probably. There's the possibility of some runaway atmospheric changes that would wipe out 99% of all life. But probably just the vast majority of people will die in terrible conditions and the discoveries, treasures, and glories of civilization will be destroyed forever.

See, I'm an optimist.

6 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:20:56pm

re: #3 Kragar

Republican policy will kill us all as a species.

It's either that or a thousand years of darkness.

7 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:21:54pm

re: #5 Obdicut

I'm prepping a vault right now. Even got extra water purification chips on standby.

8 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:22:28pm

re: #7 Kragar

I'm prepping a vault right now. Even got extra water purification chips on standby.

Be sure they don't accidentally sent to Vault 8.

9 erik_t  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:22:59pm

re: #7 Kragar

I'm prepping a vault right now. Even got extra water purification chips on standby.

I hope you got some Survival Seeds.

10 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:23:14pm

re: #4 aagcobb

I believe that the reason the RNC flopped and Obama is getting a strong bounce is that voters are not, for the most part, morons.

That and the RNC came across as a whine-fest about Obama while the 2016 contenders set themselves up for the primaries. The DNC actually offered clear differences between the two tickets and a rousing defense for their ideas.

11 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:23:51pm

This plays very well with the hooting, screeching, superstitious hordes who now make up the Republican base.

12 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:25:16pm

The thing is, it's fine for Mitt Romney to want to help families. No problem with that.

But the job of President of the United States DOES include things like healing the planet. Who else is going to do it, if not the President?

It's not a joke, and for Romney to turn it into one, in order to take a juvenile slap at Obama, is amazingly cavalier.

13 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:25:23pm

2 possibilities:

The GOP is right. We spend all the time, money, and effort, global warming is not a big deal, and all we have to show for it is an efficient infrastructure, clean alternative sources of home grown energy, improved irrigation and farming, and a cleaner environment.

The GOP is wrong. We all die.

Hmm, we need to consider the options more before we can decide.

14 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:26:12pm

Romney Bot is fully submersible and completely resistant to radiation and any of the ill effects of climate change which plague mere frail humans.

15 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:27:08pm

re: #11 Shiplord Kirel

This plays very well with the hooting, screeching, superstitious hordes who now make up the Republican base.

Yup.

16 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:27:38pm

re: #13 Kragar

2 possibilities:

The GOP is right. We spend all the time, money, and effort, global warming is not a big deal, and all we have to show for it is an efficient infrastructure, clean alternative sources of home grown energy, improved irrigation and farming, and a cleaner environment.

The GOP is wrong. We all die.

Hmm, we need to consider the options more before we can decide.

Well, can't rush into these things, we want to make sure the science is settled before we do damage to our economy. After all, what effect could humans have on the planet when we've only been around for 6,000 years?

17 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:27:49pm

GOP congressman gets 2nd Amendment scare.

Officers arrested Brackett Sunday after they say she pointed a gun at U.S. Congressman Trey Gowdy from the 4th District of S.C., the authorities in Spartanburg said.

Gowdy was sitting in his pickup truck Sunday night in the parking lot of First Baptist Church on East Main Street when Brackett, carrying a black handgun, approached the vehicle, pointed the gun at the congressman and told him to stop following her, the police said.

No word on whether she has to pay for cleaning the shit off his leather seats.

18 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:28:16pm

Er, Mitt, rising oceans and a dead planet will not help people.

Since there is a small but real chance Mitt might be elected president, it might be well to remember that September is National Preparedness Month.

Would you be ready if there were an emergency? Be prepared: assemble an emergency supply kit, make your emergency plans, stay informed, and get involved in helping your family, your business, and your community be ready for emergencies.

19 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:29:08pm
“The reason I’m in this race is to help people,” Romney said. “I’m not in this race to slow the rise of the oceans or to heal the planet. I’m in this race to help the American people.”

Ha ha!

"And the first thing I will do to "help people" will be to make sure anybody helped by the ACA gets unhelped. "

20 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:30:31pm

"I’m not in this race to slow the rise of the oceans or to heal the planet"

english translation: "it's good politics for me to laugh at environmental scientists. ha ha ha we hate you, hippies"

21 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:30:53pm

The reason I’m in this race is to help people*

22 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:32:38pm

re: #18 Shiplord Kirel

Er, Mitt, rising oceans and a dead planet will not help people.

The planet won't die...the new tenants are just waiting their turn.

Welcome, yellow fluffy overlords.

This summer, Reves-Sohn's expedition, dubbed Agave for Arctic Gakkel Vents Expedition, spent six weeks at sea. In that time, the robots made eight dives and had a few close calls—like the time Jaguar got lodged under the ice, until the captain cracked open the floe by bumping the 14,330-ton Oden against it.
The Agave crew never found a hot spring, but they did discover that the Gakkel Ridge may be even stranger than anyone thought. The researchers came across vast, eerie patches of "fluffy stuff" that turned out to contain at least 150 different species of microbes.

23 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:33:20pm
“The reason I’m in this race is to help people,” Romney said. “I’m not in this race to slow the rise of the oceans or to heal the planet. I’m in this race to help the American people.”

I thought the conservative idea was specifically not to help people, to get the government "out of the way" (i.e. get the government out of the business of 'helping people').

24 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:34:56pm

re: #23 Bulworth

By "help" Romney means "outsource your livlihood to the 3rd world"

25 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:37:03pm

Whats 12" long and dangles between Mitt's legs?

David Gregory's tie.

26 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:37:32pm

re: #5 Obdicut

I think probably a small fraction will survive. Probably. There's the possibility of some runaway atmospheric changes that would wipe out 99% of all life. But probably just the vast majority of people will die in terrible conditions and the discoveries, treasures, and glories of civilization will be destroyed forever.

See, I'm an optimist.

I agree that in the worst of the reasonably possible scenarios, we survive as a species. Much truncated and doomed to a millennia-long dark age, but still.

But I'm yet more of an optimist. It won't come to that. Consider an article in today's Wall Street Journal: weighted by watts produced, more solar panels were installed last year than in all of 2000-2009. The cost of a watt's worth of panel has dropped from about $50 (Carter era, but in 2012 dollars), to less than $1 today. It's headed down from there.

Solar isn't the only technology available. Wind, too, is getting cheaper. Meanwhile, the costs of not doing anything are rising. At some point, and it'll be a point well short of "le deluge", these two trends will cross and humanity's political and economic system will undergo a change of state, from denial/despair/"later" to action.

At the very latest, that change of state will occur when wind/solar/nuclear simply outcompete coal. But I expect it'll come before then, when the extra cost of green energy is real but modest, and visibly and dramatically overshadowed by the environmental costs to one's own nation (let alone the rest of the world) of sticking with coal.

The cost, even now and assuming no further major technological improvements, is bearable. I forget the details, and they change with each new advance as it comes along, but a few percent of world GDP would suffice to finance the transition. This is not to trivialize the cost; a few percent of the GDP of the U.S. Europe, and China combined is a lot of money, and all three economies are in some kind of trouble at the moment. But it's not ultimately a game stopping cost.

27 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:37:50pm

re: #25 Amory Blaine

Whats 12" long and dangles between Mitt's legs?

David Gregory's tie.

That's cold as ice.

28 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:38:47pm

The President of OCP was more believable than Mitt.

29 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:39:21pm
“President Obama promised to begin to slow the rise of the oceans and to heal the planet. My promise … is to help you and your family.” …

Because it's impossible to do both. //

30 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:39:55pm

re: #28 Kragar

The President of OCP was more believable than Mitt.

BEHAVE YOURSELVES!

31 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:40:26pm

re: #27 Gert Fröbe

That's cold as ice.

Someday, you'll pay the price, I know

32 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:41:32pm

re: #31 Kragar

Someday, you'll pay the price, I know

I've seen it before it happens all the time.


Damn Foreigner.

33 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:42:50pm

OT

Looks like Godaddy DNS is down. One of the Anonymous folks is taking credit. Lots of websites not responding...mostly crappy ones ;)

[Link: mashable.com...]

34 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:45:17pm

re: #32 darthstar

Could be worse. We could have stars in our eyes.

35 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:48:23pm

re: #33 danarchy

OT

Looks like Godaddy DNS is down. One of the Anonymous folks is taking credit. Lots of websites not responding...mostly crappy ones ;)

[Link: mashable.com...]

I see Anonymous got bored again.

36 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:50:41pm

re: #27 Gert Fröbe

That's cold as ice.

Only funny 'cuz it's true.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:51:25pm

re: #33 danarchy

OT

Looks like Godaddy DNS is down. One of the Anonymous folks is taking credit. Lots of websites not responding...mostly crappy ones ;)

[Link: mashable.com...]

38 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:52:01pm

re: #26 lostlakehiker

God, I hope you are right. I'd hate to leave my children a dsytopian nightmare.

39 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:52:01pm

re: #28 Kragar

The President of OCP was more believable than Mitt.

The president of OCP (the "Old Man", played by Dan O'Herlihy) actually came off as a fairly decent man. It's was Dick Jones (played by Ronnie Cox) that was the shark that was in cahoots with Bodecker; he was the amoral asshole.

The More You Know...
Image: themoreyouknow.jpg

40 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:54:11pm

re: #39 Gert Fröbe

The president of OCP (the "Old Man", played by Dan O'Herlihy) actually came off as a fairly decent man. It's was Dick Jones (played by Ronnie Cox) that was the shark that was in cahoots with Bodecker; he was the amoral asshole.

The More You Know...

Yeah, always thought Romney more like Dick Jones than the Old Man.

41 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:54:21pm

My only hope is that the Romney campaign was so lazy they forgot to change the API calls where the donation actually goes when people choose to do so.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

After months of telling Democrats that they didn’t build that, the charge may be ironically accurate when it comes to Mitt Romney’s website. The Romney campaign’s “victory wallet” donation page bears a striking resemblance to the Obama campaign’s “quick donate” page. The Obama campaign published its in March and Romney’s site went up in late August.

Both sites display three options to donate, the text beside each identical.

Down to the grammatical error.

42 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:54:24pm

re: #39 Gert Fröbe

The president of OCP (the "Old Man", played by Dan O'Herlihy) actually came off as a fairly decent man. It's was Dick Jones (played by Ronnie Cox) that was the shark that was in cahoots with Bodecker; he was the amoral asshole.

The More You Know...

Not in the second or third movie.

43 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:55:43pm

re: #33 danarchy

OT

Looks like Godaddy DNS is down. One of the Anonymous folks is taking credit. Lots of websites not responding...mostly crappy ones ;)

[Link: mashable.com...]

Oh NOSSS does that mean I wont get my daily look at Danica's new pic of the day.

44 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 12:57:12pm

re: #35 Targetpractice

I see Anonymous got bored again.

Somewhere Barrett Brown is smiling.

45 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:00:09pm

re: #42 Kragar

Not in the second or third movie.

Well, in the second film, he was the stereotypical 80's CEO, worried solely about the prospects of the company, but quick to claim ignorance and foist responsibility on others when things went south. Probably why he got canned by the time of the third film.

46 dragonfire1981  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:01:14pm

You know, we joke about "Romneybot" and how Mitt is has a certain mechanical feel about him, but judging by his ever shifting positions, I think the comparison of Romney to a computer is not that far off base.

I honestly believe he pretty much says whatever his advisers tell him to say. I've seen virtually no evidence the man is capable of independent thought. He just has people who write his speeches/segments/releases for him and he goes with it, regardless of how damaging it may be to him.

That's what a computer does. It does whatever its user tells it to do. For example, I could delete vital windows files, reformat my hard drive or completely destroy the BIOS just by inputting the right commands into my system. The computer doesn't care, it just does what it's told, even if it's told to take actions that will damage the way it works and the data it contains.

It seems clear now it's the same with Romney. He just does what he's told no matter what.

And that's no recipe for a successful Presidential run.

47 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:02:00pm

In New Stump Speech, Romney Suggests Obama Is Anti-God

ROMNEY: I believe it’s important to have a president and I will be a president, if elected, that honors that pledge and all the pledges that I made. [The Pledge of Allegiance] says that we are a nation under God…. If I become president of the United States, I will not take God out of my heart, I will not take God out of the public square and I will not take it out of the platform of my party.

48 dragonfire1981  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:02:36pm
49 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:02:49pm

re: #34 Kragar

My god. It's full of stars! /bowman

50 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:03:00pm

re: #3 Kragar

Republican policy will kill us all as a species.

Or at least cull the herd.

51 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:03:52pm

re: #33 danarchy

OT

Looks like Godaddy DNS is down. One of the Anonymous folks is taking credit. Lots of websites not responding...mostly crappy ones ;)

[Link: mashable.com...]

The bastards! I'm using Godaddy's DNS for our custom URL shortener (lgf.bz) because it's not really a site, just a redirect to bit.ly ... and sure enough, it's inaccessible.

52 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:04:13pm

re: #46 dragonfire1981

You know, we joke about "Romneybot" and how Mitt is has a certain mechanical feel about him, but judging by his ever shifting positions, I think the comparison of Romney to a computer is not that far off base.

I honestly believe he pretty much says whatever his advisers tell him to say. I've seen virtually no evidence the man is capable of independent thought. He just has people who write his speeches/segments/releases for him and he goes with it, regardless of how damaging it may be to him.

That's what a computer does. It does whatever its user tells it to do. For example, I could delete vital windows files, reformat my hard drive or completely destroy the BIOS just by inputting the right commands into my system. The computer doesn't care, it just does what it's told, even if it's told to take actions that will damage the way it works and the data it contains.

It seems clear now it's the same with Romney. He just does what he's told no matter what.

And that's no recipe for a successful Presidential run.

"It's a machine, Schroeder. It doesn't get pissed off, it doesn't get happy, it doesn't get sad, it doesn't laugh at your jokes... "
"...IT JUST RUNS PROGRAMS!"

53 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:05:24pm

I think I'm going to pass on this vacation experience...

'Theme Park' Gives Visitors Simulated Border Crossing Experience

Want to do as millions of undocumented immigrants have done and illegally cross the U.S.-Mexico border? That will be $18.

In the small town of El Alberto, Mexico, tourists can get the 'illegal' experience without being in any real danger, aside from some cuts and bruises.

More than 100 residents -- an estimated one-eighth of the town's population -- are employed by the Caminata Nocturna, a simulated experience that allows tourists to act as migrants attempting to cross the border. During the four-hour Saturday night trek, participants must evade immigration officials and border patrol agents, while trying not to trip and fall in the dark wilderness.

Since it's inception in 2004, the border-crossing 'theme park' has catered to thousands of people who want to live the immigrant experience without the harsh realities.

54 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:05:32pm

re: #42 Kragar

Not in the second or third movie.

THEY DON'T EXIST!!!

///

55 RadicalModerate  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:06:13pm

I don't know whether to be disgusted by this or impressed by the sheer audacity of it.

Pants On Fire Mitt Romney tells 616 Lies in 33 Weeks

Fred Clark is an evangelical blogger with some heavy-duty religious credentials, and that adds a particular gravitas to his August 29 blog detailing 533 lies told by Mitt Romney in 30 weeks. That’s right, 533 verifiable, checkable lies told by a candidate running for the top job in the country. To be fair, Mr. Clark isn’t the person who compiled the list. That task was accomplished by Steve Benen, and Benen is cited as the source in Clark’s blog. But Mr. Clark took the time to go through each of Mr. Benen’s articles, starting with the first salvo on January 6, 2012 in the Washington Monthly’s Political Animal Blog and wrapping up with the August 17, 2012 piece written for the Maddow Blog.
[...]
You might wonder what lies Romney has told since week 30, so I went looking for them. An additional 83 lies brings the grand total as of September 7 to 616 and still counting. Thank you, Mr. Benin, for doing such a great job!

The article documents each and every one of the untruthful statements made, with sourced refutations for the Romney lies.

56 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:07:11pm

re: #47 Kragar

In New Stump Speech, Romney Suggests Obama Is Anti-God

The Republicans did take god out of their platform...which is why it's funny that the Democrats caved to put the old fart back into theirs.

57 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:08:15pm

re: #55 RadicalModerate

I don't know whether to be disgusted by this or impressed by the sheer audacity of it.

Pants On Fire Mitt Romney tells 616 Lies in 33 Weeks

The article documents each and every one of the untruthful statements made, with sourced refutations for the Romney lies.

I hope a reporter asks him about one of those lies every time he is interviewed from after he loses the election until they've exhausted them all.

58 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:08:28pm

re: #55 RadicalModerate

I don't know whether to be disgusted by this or impressed by the sheer audacity of it.

Pants On Fire Mitt Romney tells 616 Lies in 33 Weeks

The article documents each and every one of the untruthful statements made, with sourced refutations for the Romney lies.

Which explains his campaign's aversion to fact-checking.

59 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:10:50pm

re: #54 Gert Fröbe

THEY DON'T EXIST!!!

///

Like the other Highlander films?

60 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:11:46pm

re: #56 darthstar

The Republicans did take god out of their platform...which is why it's funny that the Democrats caved to put the old fart back into theirs.

The GOP keeps saying they're the party of God, but never specify which one.

61 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:12:09pm

re: #59 Kragar

There were other Highlander films?

62 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:13:19pm

re: #61 lawhawk

There were other Highlander films?

There can be Should have been only one!

63 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:13:33pm

Romney's god attack strategy based on panic.

He's sounding more and more like Kevin Bacon's character in Animal House every day.

64 leftynyc  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:13:45pm

Pres Obama up 6 in latest CNN poll (was tied after Republican convention)

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]

65 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:14:02pm

re: #60 Kragar

The GOP keeps saying they're the party of God, but never specify which one.

Khorne?

66 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:14:11pm

Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For

Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has gotten in hot water before for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011. When confronted with this incongruity today on Face The Nation, Ryan simply denied that he ever voted for the cuts, telling an incredulous Norah O’Donnell that he didn’t actually vote for the cuts he’s on record as voting for:

67 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:14:24pm

Not sure if this was mentioned:

NBC’s David Gregory To Headline Conference For Major Republican Advocacy Group

That would be The National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB). Obviously they're on the opposite side of the fence on climate change. Haven't found any policy or statement papers but here's some revealing searches.

global warming site:nfib.com

climate change site:nfib.com

68 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:14:33pm

re: #61 lawhawk

There were other Highlander films?

Just like the Matrix.

69 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:15:12pm

re: #66 Kragar

Ryan: I Didn’t Vote For The Defense Cuts I Voted For

In another couple of weeks, it will be interesting to see how Ryan's doing in his congressional race. Would love to see him lose that one too.

70 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:15:17pm

Oh. And "anonymous" can stuff it. That is all.

71 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:15:29pm

re: #41 darthstar

My only hope is that the Romney campaign was so lazy they forgot to change the API calls where the donation actually goes when people choose to do so.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

Down to the grammatical error.

That's not really a grammatical error, it's a punctuation quirk that may indicate that the writer was British. Or it may indicate that the writer recognizes that the American practice of inserting commas inside the quotations marks can introduce confusion about what's actually being quoted. In this case, whether the user should text

10,

or just

10

There are American writers who use the British method and reserve the area between the quotation marks for the material actually being quoted. Doug Hofstadter comes to mind.

72 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:15:56pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Khorne?

Cthulhu.

73 A Mom Anon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:16:03pm

re: #66 Kragar

He's pathological. Deeply.

74 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:16:13pm

re: #68 Kragar

Just like the Matrix.

I understand that was more executive meddling than anything else. The Brothers wanted to make it a trilogy, but wanted one of the films to be a prequel explaining the beginning of the Matrix. The execs told them to scrap it and stretch out the second film into two.

75 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:16:39pm

re: #65 Targetpractice

Khorne?

Possibly, though I suspect allegiance to Chaos Undivided in its incarnation as the Primordial Annihilator.

76 jc717  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #53 NJDhockeyfan

I think I'm going to pass on this vacation experience...

'Theme Park' Gives Visitors Simulated Border Crossing Experience

Sounds pretty cool. Like LARPing or doing the tough mudder.

77 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:16:58pm

re: #58 Targetpractice

Which explains his campaign's aversion to fact-checking.

Romney re-defines 'lying politician' every time he opens his mouth.

And it also explains why he picked Lyin' Ryan as his running mate - the VP had to be as big a liar as the guy at the top of the ticket.

78 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:17:06pm

re: #69 darthstar

In another couple of weeks, it will be interesting to see how Ryan's doing in his congressional race. Would love to see him lose that one too.

Smart of him not to give up his day job. Between Romney and Ryan, looks like they are working on getting the Guiness Book record for most lies told in a presidential campaign.

79 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:17:20pm
80 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:17:46pm

Looks like it's time to switch DNS hosting for that lgf.bz domain.

81 recusancy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:19:35pm

re: #33 danarchy

OT

Looks like Godaddy DNS is down. One of the Anonymous folks is taking credit. Lots of websites not responding...mostly crappy ones ;)

[Link: mashable.com...]

GoDaddy blows. If anybody uses them it's their own fault.

82 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:20:31pm

re: #60 Kragar

The GOP keeps saying they're the party of God, but never specify which one.

God money, I'll do anything for you.
God money, just tell me what you want me to.
God money, nail me up against the wall.
The god of money don't want everything he wants it all.

No you can't take it
No you can't take it
No you can't take that away from me

Head like a hole,
Black as your soul.
I'd rather die than give you control.

Bow down before the one you serve,
You're going to get what you deserve.
Bow down before the one you serve,
You're going to get what you deserve.

God money's not looking for the cure.
God money's not concerned about the sick among the pure.
God money let's go dancing on the backs of the bruised.
The god of money's not one to choose

83 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:21:45pm
84 jc717  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:22:42pm

re: #72 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne

Cthulhu.

Captain Crunch?

85 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:23:04pm

re: #81 recusancy

GoDaddy blows. If anybody uses them it's their own fault.

They are good for cheap quick ssl certs for anything that doesn't involve e-commerce. I would sooner host a website or email on a server in my basement than with them though.

86 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:24:13pm

re: #84 jc717

Captain Crunch?

Zod?

87 leftynyc  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:25:21pm

re: #69 darthstar

In another couple of weeks, it will be interesting to see how Ryan's doing in his congressional race. Would love to see him lose that one too.

I'm salivating just thinking about what VP Biden is going to do to him on this (and everything else) during the debate. Norah may not have known how to deal with an outright lie but VP Biden will be more than prepared.

88 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:26:39pm

Yep. GoDaddy sucks because they supported SOPA which was co-sponored by Debbie Wasserman Schultz -- remember how she wowed us at the DNC convention -- and was also supported by Apple amongst many other companies until the cat got out of the bag. Makes sense.

//

89 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:28:46pm

re: #88 Gus

Yep. GoDaddy sucks because they supported SOPA which was co-sponored by Debbie Wasserman Schultz -- remember how she wowed us at the DNC convention -- and was also supported by Apple amongst many other companies until the cat got out of the bag. Makes sense.

//

All of a sudden everybody hates Godaddy, I notice. All I can do is go by my own experience, and this is the first problem I've ever had with them in more than 12 years of hosting sites.

90 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:29:22pm

re: #68 Kragar

When SFX takes the place of a coherent story, you've got trouble. The 2d and 3d Matrix movies had some amazing SFX, but the story went from suck to blow.

91 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:30:56pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

All of a sudden everybody hates Godaddy, I notice. All I can do is go by my own experience, and this is the problem I've ever had with them in more than 12 years of hosting sites.

Anonymous got bored and decided to initiate another DDOS attack or some other lame hack. Guess they got tired of posting threats to Israel on Youtube and posting anti-Semitic cartoons on Twitter. You ever listen to those video? They're like a cult.

92 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:31:21pm

I don't normally use Godaddy for DNS, though. It was simpler to do it that way with the lgf.bz domain, because it's actually just an A record redirect to bit.ly's IP address.

93 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:32:14pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

All of a sudden everybody hates Godaddy, I notice. All I can do is go by my own experience, and this is the first problem I've ever had with them in more than 12 years of hosting sites.

I've got a site on one of their virtual dedicated servers. They were my client's choice, not mine - but no interruption of service from this.

94 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:32:27pm

But just one point of clarification. Anonymous is denying any involvement.

95 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:32:39pm

Arizona’s Birtherpalooza Canceled Over Low Ticket Sales

Not even the promise of crooner Pat Boone singing oldies from a spinning stage could save what was intended to be the premier birther event of the year later this month in Arizona.

Organizers of the gala, which would have featured Boone alongside Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio and some of the nation’s other prominent conspiracy theorists, broke the news online Friday that it was canceled “due to inadequate ticket sales.”

96 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:33:06pm

re: #94 Gus

But just one point of clarification. Anonymous is denying any involvement.

SPLITTERS!
/

97 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:33:42pm

I'll take Stating the Obvious for $1,000, Alex:

98 NJDhockeyfan  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:34:01pm

re: #91 Gus

Anonymous got bored and decided to initiate another DDOS attack or some other lame hack. Guess they got tired of posting threats to Israel on Youtube and posting anti-Semitic cartoons on Twitter. You ever listen to those video? They're like a cult.

The anger should be directed at these guys.

Update 2: Anonymous is claiming responsibility. A member of Anonymous known as AnonymousOwn3r is claiming responsibility, and makes it clear this is not an Anonymous collective action.

I’ve been adding more information below as details emerge.

A tipster tells us that the technical reason for the failure is being caused by the inaccessibility of GoDaddy’s DNS servers — specifically CNS1.SECURESERVER.NET, CNS2.SECURESERVER.NET, and CNS3.SECURESERVER.NET are failing to resolve.

AnonymousOwn3r’s bio reads “Security leader of #Anonymous (~Official member~).” The individual claims to be from Brazil, and hasn’t issued a statement as to why GoDaddy was targeted.

99 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:34:10pm

The one area where Mitt Romney has consistently, for god only knows why, led President Obama is the economy...that is, until now.

100 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:34:29pm

re: #93 makeitstop

I've got a site on one of their virtual dedicated servers. They were my client's choice, not mine - but no interruption of service from this.

I don't actually use them for hosting - just domain registration, and as I said the DNS for lgf.bz (which I plan to change now).

101 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:35:12pm

CNN poll finds post-convention bounce for the President.

A new survey indicates President Barack Obama moved up four points following the Democratic National Convention last week, and now has a six point advantage over his Republican challenger Mitt Romney.

According to a CNN/ORC International Poll released Monday, 52% of likely voters nationwide back the president, compared to 46% for Romney. Just before the convention in Charlotte, North Carolina, Obama was tied with Romney 48%-48%.

"The Democratic convention was fairly well received, particularly in comparison to the GOP meeting the previous week in Tampa," CNN Polling Director Keating Holland said.

102 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:35:57pm

Man that Romney lies link drives wingnuts right up a wall. I posted it to a Facebook politics page and they're piling up the 'Obama lies' links.

Nobody's trying to defend Romney, though. Odd, that.

103 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:36:10pm

re: #98 NJDhockeyfan

The anger should be directed at these guys.

The problem with being a nebulous, structureless nonentity is that you're a nebulous structureless nonentity.

104 Eventual Carrion  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:36:30pm

re: #95 Kragar

Arizona’s Birtherpalooza Canceled Over Low Ticket Sales

I can't help but feel good about that. Maybe the crazies have started taking their meds and come back to life on good ol' planet earth.

105 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:36:33pm

re: #101 lawhawk

CNN poll finds post-convention bounce for the President.

I'm sure Wolf Blitzer will breathlessly ask, "How does this spell doom for the Obama campaign?"

106 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:37:13pm

re: #99 darthstar

Ambiguous and vacuous statements about doing better than Obama apparently play better with voters than an established record and one that has managed to keep the economy from being totally wrecked, though recovery isn't as strong as anyone wishes it would be (well, at least not the GOP operatives who have said that they wouldn't mind wrecking the economy so as to keep Obama from winning reelection that is).

107 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:37:23pm

re: #99 darthstar

The one area where Mitt Romney has consistently, for god only knows why, led President Obama is the economy...that is, until now.

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That boom you just heard was Romney's cerebration unit suffering a critical existence failure.

108 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:38:19pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

There was no boom. There should have been a boom. /marvin the martian

Sorry, but it was a BSD. No boom. Only option is a reboot/restart in safe mode.

109 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:38:51pm

re: #107 Targetpractice

That boom you just heard was Romney's cerebration unit suffering a critical existence failure.

"BUT I STARTED TALKING ABOUT GOD AND STUFF LIKE THEY WANTED!!!"

110 dragonfire1981  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:40:00pm
111 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:40:09pm

re: #108 lawhawk

There was no boom. There should have been a boom. /marvin the martian

Sorry, but it was a BSD. No boom. Only option is a reboot/restart in safe mode.

"Boot file corrupted? Damnit, where's that OS disk!?"

112 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:40:10pm

re: #104 RayFerd

I can't help but feel good about that. Maybe the crazies have started taking their meds and come back to life on good ol' planet earth.

LOL no. They're all using the money they would have spent on Birtherpalooza to fortify their fallout shelters for the imaginary civil war they think will happen if Obama gets re-elected.

113 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:40:23pm

Related:

114 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:41:41pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

"Boot file corrupted? Damnit, where's that OS disk!?"

"PC Load Letter"? What the fuck does that mean?

115 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:42:03pm

re: #113 Gus

Related:

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Today's sustainability indicator, 78 percent, is the sum of investors who recognize climate change is  a threat to the environment in a Bloomberg poll. "Not much" is the anticipated impact on corporate profits from anti-pollution actions, according to half of respondents.

116 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:42:32pm

re: #101 lawhawk

Takeaways from the CNN poll:

This year's Democratic event wiped away some of Romney's gains on personal qualities. The Republican nominee's favorable rating increased to 53% after the GOP convention, but fell to 48% one week later after the Democratic event. Meanwhile, Obama rose to 57% in the last week, his highest mark since 2010.

Obama also took away Romney's lead on leadership for the country's future. Now 51% of likely voters think Obama has a more optimistic vision for the country's future, compared to Romney at 41%. Last week, however, 43% said Obama was more optimistic, while 47% said the same about Romney.

Another takeaway from the two conventions was that Obama seemed to come out as the candidate with a more specific plan to help the country. Before the Republican event, 45% thought Romney was more likely to have a clear plan, while only 39% felt the same about the president. Now the two have switched places, with 45% saying Obama has a clear plan, compared 39% saying the same about Romney.

The underlying data is here btw.

One interesting question was asked by the CNN poll of Mitt and Barack voters. When asked of Romney voters if that vote is more a vote for Mitt or a vote against Obama, it was evenly split (48/47). When asked of Obama voters, whether it was a vote for Obama or against Romney, the response was 74/23 voting for Obama. That's a huge discrepancy and shows that Romney's got problems with the base and his only chance is to rile up the anti-Obama sentiment to his advantage. Otherwise he's got barely a plurality of support within his own party.

117 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:42:32pm

re: #113 Gus

Related:

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118 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:42:54pm

re: #95 Kragar

Arizona’s Birtherpalooza Canceled Over Low Ticket Sales

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

/Pat Boone, a birther? Seriously?

119 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:44:05pm

re: #111 Targetpractice

"Boot file corrupted? Damnit, where's that OS disk!?"

120 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:44:22pm

re: #108 lawhawk

There was no boom. There should have been a boom. /marvin the martian

Sorry, but it was a BSD. No boom. Only option is a reboot/restart in safe mode.

Mitt probably misses the warm embrace of his motherboard.

121 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:44:53pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

I don't actually use them for hosting - just domain registration, and as I said the DNS for lgf.bz (which I plan to change now).

I used GoDaddy for a couple of domain names for years, until that SOPA episode. Went to NameCheap and I am pretty happy with it.

122 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:45:03pm
123 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:45:29pm

re: #122 Kragar

Report: Al-Qaida No. 2 Killed In Yemen

BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!

124 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:45:47pm
125 Mocking Jay  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:45:48pm

Heh. Martin Bashir just compared Mitt to a metronome. I like that.

126 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:47:06pm

re: #122 Kragar

Report: Al-Qaida No. 2 Killed In Yemen

That makes it 18 Al Qaeda #2s killed under Obama's watch.

127 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:47:07pm
128 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:47:28pm

re: #122 Kragar

Report: Al-Qaida No. 2 Killed In Yemen

Being named AQ #2 man

Shortest career move evah

129 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:49:14pm

re: #89 Charles Johnson

All of a sudden everybody hates Godaddy, I notice. All I can do is go by my own experience, and this is the first problem I've ever had with them in more than 12 years of hosting sites.

Have you ever hosted an email domain there? Nothing but problems.

130 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:49:21pm

re: #126 darthstar

That makes it 18 Al Qaeda #2s killed under Obama's watch.

Dronez!

131 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:49:54pm

re: #130 Gus

Dronez!

was that his 1st or last name??
/

132 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:50:30pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

Being named AQ #2 man

Shortest career move evah

After the last few guys before you got killed, you'd think these guys would pass on that particular promotion.

133 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:51:17pm
134 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:51:40pm

re: #132 Lidane

After the last few guys before you got killed, you'd think these guys would pass on that particular promotion.

Almost seems like a punishment.

"For your crimes, you are promoted to second-in-command!"

135 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:53:32pm

re: #132 Lidane

After the last few guys before you got killed, you'd think these guys would pass on that particular promotion.

"I'm really not worthy, but Bob,, Bob would be PERFECT!!"

136 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:53:34pm

re: #133 Lidane

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Political Cesspool!

137 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:57:46pm

re: #136 Gus

Political Cesspool!

Now THERE'S a good name for a kid!!
/

138 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:59:19pm

re: #136 Gus

Political Cesspool!

Why doesn't it surprise me that it was the "Freedom Fries" douchenozzle who went on that show? Guess he doesn't care about any voters in his district except the white ones.

139 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 1:59:37pm
140 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:00:58pm

re: #135 sattv4u2

"I'm really not worthy, but Bob,, Bob would be PERFECT!!"


Mohammed: Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. And I would like to do it. I would like to do it, believe me. Nobody in the world would like to do it more than me. But unfortunately Osama has forbid it me.
Taliban: How about Abdul?
[points to the retarted Taliban]
Mohammed: Ah, a good idea. A very good idea. Genius! But of course he has to agree. So... Abdul, if you don't want to be blown into tiny little pieces, hold up your hand, hop on one foot and sing "Freebird".
Retarded Taliban: Uh... uh...
Mohammed: Abdul, it is!

The terrible sin is that I actually know where that is from.

141 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:04:06pm

re: #139 Lidane

Burns asks a great question:

Much as with Romney's summer-long strategy of elevating Bill Clinton, you sort of have to wonder what the GOP nominee thought would happen when he tried drive a wedge between President Obama and the man who used to run his White House.

Way to stay on message, Mitt...what was that word again? Jobs? #loser

142 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:06:56pm

re: #101 lawhawk

CNN poll finds post-convention bounce for the President.

So...1000 years of darkness is about to descend on us all? /

143 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:07:29pm

Jim Bakker Prophesies New Orleans' Destruction and California 'Ring of Fire'

Last time self-proclaimed prophet Cindy Jacobs appeared on The Jim Bakker Show, the two talked about how they prophesied the September 11th attacks, warned of an imminent nuclear catastrophe and how Jacobs prevented two African coups. But when the two got together last week, Bakker did most of the “prophesying” as he recounted how “God spoke to me there’d be death by water and one day New Orleans will be under water forever,” with Hurricanes Katrina and Isaac revealing God’s judgment on the city.

“There’s going to be many, many disasters, desert disasters, sometimes God speaks in alliterations to me,” Bakker said. “In California confusion is going to happen and it’s going to be awful, the earthquakes are shaking, the ring of fire is shaking, there are going to be earthquakes like we’ve never seen before, there’s going to be storms like we’ve never seen before.”

Later, Bakker prophesied that along with California there will be an imminent earthquake on the New Madrid Fault Line over U.S. policy towards Israel and that his audience members will soon “pull people out of the rubble and you’re going to tell them ‘this is in the Bible, this is Biblical times.’”

Flooding in New Orleans and earthquakes in California? Wow, what are the odds of those things occurring? This guy is quite the oracle.

144 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:08:58pm
the ring of fire is shaking

Um, what?

145 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:09:15pm

It ain't over until...

146 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:09:26pm

re: #142 Bulworth

So...1000 years of darkness is about to descend on us all? /

All I can think of is Dave Chappelle as Rick James "THE DARKNESS IS SPREADING"

147 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:09:46pm

re: #144 Bulworth

Um, what?

They have ointments for that.

148 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:09:58pm

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Romney HQ today...

149 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:10:35pm

re: #146 Kragar

All I can think of is Dave Chappelle as Rick James "THE DARKNESS IS SPREADING"

DARKNESSES!

150 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:10:41pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Romney HQ today...

A fly can only eat so much shit.

151 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:11:45pm

re: #148 Targetpractice

Oh, to be a fly on the wall of the Romney HQ today...

Ever seen that movie "Downfall"?
///

152 andres  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:13:13pm

re: #128 sattv4u2

Being named AQ #2 man

Shortest career move evah

It's almost a 3 month gig. I've heard the benefits aren't that good, and dental isn't included.

//

153 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:13:50pm

re: #144 Bulworth

Um, what?

And it burns, burns, burns
The ring of fire
The ring of fire

154 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:15:22pm

re: #153 Gert Fröbe

And it burns, burns, burns
The ring of fire
The ring of fire

Try dabbing some witch hazel on with a towel.

155 Bulworth  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:15:38pm

re: #126 darthstar

That makes it 18 Al Qaeda #2s killed under Obama's watch.

And one #1.

156 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:16:10pm

re: #155 Bulworth

And one #1.

And that's the one that counts the most.

157 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:16:46pm

re: #152 andres

It's almost a 3 month gig. I've heard the benefits aren't that good, and dental isn't included.

//

I hear the dental coverage is very good, because, besides DNA testing, dental records are about the only way to identify what's left of you after a Predator strike turns you into pink mist.

///

158 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:21:03pm

re: #143 Kragar

This guy is quite the oracle.

Also an oracle:

159 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:21:52pm

re: #158 Lidane

Also an oracle:

[Embedded content]

And day now...

160 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:23:28pm

re: #158 Lidane

Also an oracle:

[Embedded content]

*week before convention*
"Just wait til the convention! Challengers always get big leads in conventions! Romney's gonna smash Obama flat."

*week of GOP convention*
"Romney's gonna get a bounce. Maybe not a large bounce, but enough to put him in the lead."

*week of DNC convention*
"So what if we didn't get a large bounce? Obama's probably not going to get a real bounce either, it's just how things are now."

*today*
"Stop worrying so much about convention bounces. It won't last and we'll be back in the lead soon!"

161 Sheila Broflovski  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:24:37pm

This is turning into a real live "Blazing Saddles.

The U.S. is Rock Ridge.
Obama is the Sheriff.
Biden is the Waco Kid.
Romney is Mongo, and Ryan is also Mongo (two Mongos)
Koch Brothers are Hedley and Sheldon Adelson is Le Petomane.

Who wants to play?

162 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:25:08pm

re: #158 Lidane

Also an oracle:

[Embedded content]

Nah, Morris is just an orifice, not an oracle.

163 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:25:32pm

re: #122 Kragar

Report: Al-Qaida No. 2 Killed In Yemen

Short Life expectancy careers

Federation Red Shirts
Darth Vaders Generals
AQ Leaders.

164 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:26:42pm

Think it was Nate Silver who pointed out that those comparing Obama to Carter, thinking Romney will do to him what Reagan did in '80, are ignoring the reality that the GOP convention was when Reagan took a commanding lead that he kept through til Election Day. Meanwhile, Romney's never done better than breaking even and now Obama's taken a commanding lead.

Inconceivable!

165 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:26:51pm

Anti-masturbation video for the deaf mashed up with some R. Kelly.

h/t Andy Richter

166 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:28:18pm

re: #163 Daniel Ballard

Short Life expectancy careers

Federation Red Shirts
Darth Vaders Generals
AQ Leaders.

The new character on any detective show.

167 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:28:40pm

re: #143 Kragar

Jim Bakker Prophesies New Orleans' Destruction and California 'Ring of Fire'

“There’s going to be many, many disasters, desert disasters, sometimes God speaks in alliterations to me,” Bakker said. .

Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers!

168 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:28:43pm

re: #166 Kragar

The new character on any detective show.

The guy with one week left to retirement.

169 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:30:11pm

Because this is going to end well for the GOP:

170 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:30:52pm
171 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:31:29pm

re: #165 darthstar

Anti-masturbation video for the deaf mashed up with some R. Kelly.

[Embedded content]

Whats even more impressive is someone noticed this.

172 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:31:54pm

Halp!
Does anyone know if the site theAmericanscene dot com is cool or nutty or??

Found this

Storks Bring Babies

Refutes this
Jonah Goldberg’s post last night stimulated me to take a closer look at Larry Bartels’s widely-discussed regression analysis that purports to prove that income inequality has risen more under Republican presidents than Democratic presidents over the period 1948 – 2005 because of consistent partisan differences in policy.

173 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:33:42pm

re: #165 darthstar

Anti-masturbation video for the deaf mashed up with some R. Kelly.

[Embedded content]

I'm surprised they didn't use "Bump N Grind"...

174 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:34:01pm
175 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37:30pm

re: #106 lawhawk

Ambiguous and vacuous statements about doing better than Obama apparently play better with voters than an established record and one that has managed to keep the economy from being totally wrecked, though recovery isn't as strong as anyone wishes it would be (well, at least not the GOP operatives who have said that they wouldn't mind wrecking the economy so as to keep Obama from winning reelection that is).

Here is a conservative who wants to wreck the economy as revenge on the voters if Obama wins:

[Link: washingtonexaminer.com...]

176 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:37:47pm

re: #170 darthstar

Math.

Image: 281800_327813613991247_180603758_n.jpg

"Who are you, man?"
"I'm Mathman..."

///

177 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:41:42pm

re: #169 Lidane

Because this is going to end well for the GOP:

[Embedded content]

Why in the world...?

Srsly. WHY???

178 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:47:45pm

re: #153 Gert Fröbe

And it burns, burns, burns
The ring of fire
The ring of fire

Cash said the mariachi overture came to him in a dream.

179 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:51:29pm

re: #175 aagcobb

I read that and then read some of the comments and the alternate universe that is the republican/wingnut world is really something else.

180 Daniel Ballard  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:53:23pm

Awwww
Teen girl makes beautiful portraits of her beloved dogs
PetaPixel

181 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:53:48pm

re: #41 darthstar

My only hope is that the Romney campaign was so lazy they forgot to change the API calls where the donation actually goes when people choose to do so.

[Link: www.salon.com...]

Down to the grammatical error.

Theft of intellectual property can result in some stiff fines. Doesn't sound like they put a whole lot of thought into that project

182 BongCrodny  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:57:22pm

re: #158 Lidane

Also an oracle:

[Embedded content]

Is Dick Morris ever right about anything?

"Hey, Dick? Bong here. Who do you like in next Sunday's games? Uh-huh. Okay. Uh-huh."

(Calls bookie, bets against every team Morris picked.)

183 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:58:40pm
184 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:59:22pm

At least she spelled Licorice correctly.

Image: enhanced-buzz-27657-1346766387-5.jpg

185 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:59:52pm

re: #176 Gert Fröbe

"Who are you, man?"
"I'm Mathman..."

///

Ladies...

Image: PP9cWruexUqrEOGksAHbkQ2.jpg

186 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 2:59:57pm

re: #184 darthstar

At least she spelled Licorice correctly.

Image: enhanced-buzz-27657-1346766387-5.jpg

Wait...no she didn't...Ha!

187 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:00:18pm

re: #183 darthstar

[Embedded content]

If you have to downplay the public polls, that means the internals are probably absolute disasters.

188 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:00:55pm

re: #185 Kragar

Ladies...

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Is that a TI-84 in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

189 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:02:27pm

On climate change, the following is getting some play today in the twitterverse:

Foreign Policy in the new Millennium

Notably, only one third of Americans believe tackling climate change should be an important US foreign policy goal.

This is why Romney can get away doing what he does.

190 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:02:33pm

re: #181 BongCrodny

Theft of intellectual property can result in some stiff fines. Doesn't sound like they put a whole lot of thought into that project

I wouldn't be surprised if they bought the module for this and just tweaked the default text that came with it. I doubt either of them developed their own donation system.

191 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:02:35pm

re: #185 Kragar

Ladies...

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Math bitches or Math, bitches!

192 Kragar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:02:44pm

re: #188 darthstar

Is that a TI-84 in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?

Greatest line ever on MST3k:

Girl: "Are you coming or do I swim alone?"
Crow: "Yes and Yes."

193 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:05:47pm

Planned Parenthood hitting back on Romney in Virginia and Ohio.

[Link: thehill.com...]

194 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:11:50pm

New video from Nature about the human genome. It has just enough of that British snark to be quite enjoyable, and is intended to be introductory:

195 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:12:39pm

Ah, I love the resourcefulness of the wingnut mind. Got an older one who just happened across the 3+ year old story about Ted Kennedy and the USSR and is now engaging in mental gymnastics to argue that Obama saying he'll have more latitude after the election means he's got a back room deal with Putin.

My faith in humanity is at an all-time low.

196 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:17:11pm

Here's the Nature ENCODE webpage:

[Link: www.nature.com...]

It probably has more information than you'd ever want to know.

197 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:18:50pm

Dick Morris sure learned how to TOE the line.

198 makeitstop  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:20:31pm

re: #186 darthstar

Wait...no she didn't...Ha!

I think she meant to spell it 'liquor-ish.' She seems to be posting drunk.

199 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:24:41pm

Heh.

200 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:25:01pm

re: #197 Gus

Dick Morris sure learned how to TOE the line.

Dick Morris vs Bill Kristol in
Who can be more wrong about the most things?
Rated Mostly true.

201 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:25:37pm

Arstechnica is singing my tune:


Most of what you read was wrong: how press releases rewrote scientific history

This week, the ENCODE project released the results of its latest attempt to catalog all the activities associated with the human genome. Although we've had the sequence of bases that comprise the genome for over a decade, there were still many questions about what a lot of those bases do when inside a cell. ENCODE is a large consortium of labs dedicated to helping sort that out by identifying everything they can about the genome: what proteins stick to it and where, which pieces interact, what bases pick up chemical modifications, and so on. What the studies can't generally do, however, is figure out the biological consequences of these activities, which will require additional work.

Yet the third sentence of the lead ENCODE paper contains an eye-catching figure that ended up being reported widely: "These data enabled us to assign biochemical functions for 80 percent of the genome." Unfortunately, the significance of that statement hinged on a much less widely reported item: the definition of "biochemical function" used by the authors.

This was more than a matter of semantics. Many press reports that resulted painted an entirely fictitious history of biology's past, along with a misleading picture of its present. As a result, the public that relied on those press reports now has a completely mistaken view of our current state of knowledge (this happens to be the exact opposite of what journalism is intended to accomplish). But you can't entirely blame the press in this case. They were egged on by the journals and university press offices that promoted the work—and, in some cases, the scientists themselves.

To understand why, we'll need a bit of biology and a bit of history before we can turn back to the latest results and the public response to them.

[...]

All too often I find that the press releases of organizations, and then the articles written on the topic as found in popular press, to be full of errors and misleading statements.

202 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:26:13pm

re: #190 danarchy

I wouldn't be surprised if they bought the module for this and just tweaked the default text that came with it. I doubt either of them developed their own donation system.

It looks like both campaigns are using Payvia to collect SMS donations. I would be willing to bet that is their default text and both campaigns just tweaked to suit them.

204 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:30:09pm

This is awesome. The National Police Union refuses to endorse Romney.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

205 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:30:39pm

re: #203 Varek Raith

It's sad what has happened to the "news" - papers and broadcast - during my lifetime. The mid-20th century peak of the news industry now is fading into the fuzzy past.

206 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:31:03pm

re: #1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

Do you have some neurotic need to fire off ugly taunts link that?

207 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:32:17pm

I'm not a big fan of eminent domain but this is strange

California urges fed probe of eminent domain "threats"

California Lieutenant Governor Gavin Newsom says he wants the U.S. Department of Justice to investigate "threats" against local communities that are considering using eminent domain to seize and restructure poorly performing mortgages to benefit cash-strapped homeowners.

Newsom sent a letter on Monday to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder asking federal prosecutors to investigate any attempts by Wall Street investors and government agencies to "boycott" California communities that are considering such moves.

"I am most disturbed by threats leveled by the mortgage industry and some in the federal government who have coercively urged local governments to reject consideration" of eminent domain," he wrote in a letter that was also sent to Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke.

So basically California is looking at voiding the mortgages and removing the bank's legal ownership of the property. Is that right? It seems like a huge leap too far.

208 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:33:38pm
209 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:34:39pm

re: #204 Tigger2

This is awesome. The National Police Union refuses to endorse Romney.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

This is excellent news for John McCain Mitt Romney!

210 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:36:00pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big fan of eminent domain but this is strange

California urges fed probe of eminent domain "threats"

So basically California is looking at voiding the mortgages and removing the bank's legal ownership of the property. Is that right? It seems like a huge leap too far.

Suggest doing some background research on this before you trounce on it.

211 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:36:32pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

no taunt intended, just giving a vivid description of what an interview of Romney by a known hack looks like.

212 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:37:45pm

I really wish I could say I was shocked by this story, but I'm not:

Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott

213 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:39:34pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big fan of eminent domain but this is strange

California urges fed probe of eminent domain "threats"

So basically California is looking at voiding the mortgages and removing the bank's legal ownership of the property. Is that right? It seems like a huge leap too far.

I think municipalities and homeowners would much prefer that banks refinance, allow short sales, etc. rather than foreclose on properties that sit empty and unmaintained for months and years so as to blight neighborhoods and further drive down property values. Considering that millions of properties can't even be traced to ownership now, eminent domain may be a solution.

214 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:39:44pm

re: #200 Varek Raith

Dick Morris vs Bill Kristol in
Who can be more wrong about the most things?
Rated Mostly true.

A lot of people are pretty excited about the polling numbers as am I. Still, I know from experience that they don't always tell the whole story and too much confidence builds complacency in many people. Still, it's fun to watch since these numbers have made the wingnuts rather angry. Some are calling the CNN poll "cooked." At the rate Romney is going he will continue to see his support inch down.

215 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:40:01pm

re: #208 Lidane

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"We've managed more door knocks than last time! We're gonna beat the pants off Obama!"

216 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:40:03pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

I really wish I could say I was shocked by this story, but I'm not:

Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott

Man. What a bunch of assholes.

“People are saying a lot of bad things and boycotting my restaurant,” Scott Van Duzer, 46, told POLITICO. “There’s no middle line anymore, and that’s exactly what’s wrong with our country right now.”

217 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:40:09pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

I really wish I could say I was shocked by this story, but I'm not:

Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott

Here ya go.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

218 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:40:21pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

I really wish I could say I was shocked by this story, but I'm not:

Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott

The wingnuts have been adding negative Yelp ratings to his restaurant just because of his hugging the POTUS. You know, because liberals are the whiny, emotional, immature ones.

219 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:40:59pm

re: #206 Dark_Falcon

Do you have some neurotic need to fire off ugly taunts link that?

Would you rather he gave Mitt a Bear Hug?

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220 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:41:53pm

re: #210 freetoken

Suggest doing some background research on this before you trounce on it.

Agreed. It's a complicated an hot button issue. Not sure what to think but I don't like the initial look of it. It's something to keep an eye on.

221 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:42:22pm

re: #218 Lidane

The wingnuts have been adding negative Yelp ratings to his restaurant just because of his hugging the POTUS. You know, because liberals are the whiny, emotional, immature ones.

The negative ratings are getting stomped by positive ratings.

222 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:42:58pm

Because attacking unions is working out so well for the GOP this year.

223 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:43:17pm

Ooh...that teacher strike in Chicago is getting ugly...

224 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:43:20pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

I really wish I could say I was shocked by this story, but I'm not:

Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott

there is some pushback and people standing up for Van Duzer

225 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:43:34pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big fan of eminent domain but this is strange

California urges fed probe of eminent domain "threats"

So basically California is looking at voiding the mortgages and removing the bank's legal ownership of the property. Is that right? It seems like a huge leap too far.

It's very wrong and it would be entirely appropriate of financial institutions to boycott any community that tries this tactic. This is one of very few times when a "capital strike" would be an appropriate tactic.

226 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:43:39pm

re: #223 darthstar

Ooh...that teacher strike in Chicago is getting ugly...

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The horror!

227 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:43:42pm

re: #221 Tigger2

The negative ratings are getting stomped by positive ratings.

Good. It's stupid to try and destroy a man's business because he was happy to see the POTUS in his store.

228 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:44:13pm

re: #220 Killgore Trout

Remember - governments sometimes get involved in legal battles not for the obvious reason of the subject of any case, but rather for the priorities and separation of powers. E..g, when the Administration goes before the USSC sometimes defending or arguing against laws that run counter to political expediency, but are done to protect the power of the executive branch.

229 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:44:31pm

re: #224 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

there is some pushback and people standing up for Van Duzer

Nice.

UPDATE #4: Notice to Kos members: Seems Van Duzer's pizza parlor is being inudated with orders. LOL This is great, but they're swamped now. Literally. So they'd much rather you donate directly to The Van Duzer Foundation. Let's keep the love flowing, folks, in the form of donations. I want to blow these GOP thugs out of the water with their stupid boycott.

230 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:44:35pm

re: #217 Tigger2

Here ya go.

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

wrong link

231 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:44:41pm

re: #214 Gus

A lot of people are pretty excited about the polling numbers as am I. Still, I know from experience that they don't always tell the whole story and too much confidence builds complacency in many people. Still, it's fun to watch since these numbers have made the wingnuts rather angry. Some are calling the CNN poll "cooked." At the rate Romney is going he will continue to see his support inch down.

I'm not allowing myself to become complacent, but at the same time, it's funny as hell to watch the roaches scatter in the face of every new poll that comes out. The CNN poll response in particular is hilarious, because these same folks didn't waste a second to trumpet the "six point bounce" that Rasmussen and Reuters/Ipsos claimed during the RNC.

232 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:44:52pm

re: #223 darthstar

Ooh...that teacher strike in Chicago is getting ugly...

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As long as Rahm is the last one standing, its fine.

233 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:46:02pm

re: #212 Targetpractice

I really wish I could say I was shocked by this story, but I'm not:

Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott

Here you go, right link. lol
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

234 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:46:18pm

re: #229 Varek Raith

Nice.

Yeah...and any boycott will only last until the next pizza night for the locals. He does great things for his community (donating food to shelters,etc.) and he's well respected. So what if a bunch of wingnuts across the country threaten not to go to his restaurant. It's not like they're there.

235 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:46:45pm

re: #233 Tigger2

Here you go, right link. lol
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

The other link was good too. Police Union refusing to endorse Romney.

236 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:47:13pm

re: #234 darthstar

Yeah...and any boycott will only last until the next pizza night for the locals. He does great things for his community (donating food to shelters,etc.) and he's well respected. So what if a bunch of wingnuts across the country threaten not to go to his restaurant. It's not like they're there.

They keep this up and he'll likely be voting Dem straight ticket from now on.

237 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:47:16pm

re: #213 allegro

re: #213 allegro

Considering that millions of properties can't even be traced to ownership now, eminent domain may be a solution.

Shouldn't the mortgage holder (bank, investor, mortgage company) have 1st dibs on the property if "properties can't even be traced to ownership" rather than the gov't taking it by e.d.??

238 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:48:00pm

re: #229 Varek Raith

Nice.

Tim Tebow???!?!?

//

239 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:48:14pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

re: #213 allegro

Considering that millions of properties can't even be traced to ownership now, eminent domain may be a solution.

Shouldn't the mortgage holder (bank, investor, mortgage company) have 1st dibs on the property if "properties can't even be traced to ownership" rather than the gov't taking it bu e.d.??

Um... no.

240 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:48:40pm

re: #207 Killgore Trout

I'm not a big fan of eminent domain but this is strange

California urges fed probe of eminent domain "threats"

So basically California is looking at voiding the mortgages and removing the bank's legal ownership of the property. Is that right? It seems like a huge leap too far.

The problem is banks sitting on and neglecting foreclosed homes instead of auctioning them off to the highest bidder like they're supposed to. This results in a huge crime problem, blight and the lowering of neighboring property values. Something has to be done to get the banks to act responsibly.

For Mary Sanchez, the vacant, foreclosed home across from hers on Abner Street in El Sereno was an assault on the senses and her piece of mind.

Gang members and squatters used it as a stash house. The place stank of dead animals. Mice made constant incursions from across the way onto her property, prompting her to get cats to head them off. Weeds in the yard reached as high as her chest.

"It was embarrassing," she said. "When people would come over I would say, 'Look for the ugly house with all the stuff in the lawn. I live next to that.' "

On Monday, Los Angeles officials accused US Bank of illegally allowing the Abner Street home and many others to deteriorate into slums. The civil allegations found problems in the way US Bank handled 1,500 home foreclosures and cited more than 150 homes that had fallen into disrepair. The city is demanding that the bank clean up vacant properties and improve conditions for families living in others.

241 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:48:55pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

As long as Rahm is the last one standing, its fine.

Suddenly YOU like Rahm? Oh, that's right...Mitt tried to use Rahm as a wedge with Obama...thing is, Rahm already responded that President Obama has done more for education than many, and called on Romney to promise not to cut education monies just so he could give himself a tax break if he won.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

"While I appreciate his lip service, what really counts is what we are doing here, and I don't give two hoots about national comments scoring political points or trying to embarrass or whatever the president," Emanuel said.

242 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:49:18pm

re: #239 freetoken

Um... no.

Um,, whynot

The bank has a stake in it ,, a rather large one

243 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:49:21pm

Warm.

Leatherette.

244 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:50:16pm

re: #235 darthstar

The other link was good too. Police Union refusing to endorse Romney.

I had 3 windows open because I posted that Police link in a previous comment when to the wrong page lol.

245 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:50:20pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

Um,, whynot

The bank has a stake in it ,, a rather large one

The banks fucked up with their schemes.
Not our fault they were dumb like that.

246 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:51:04pm

re: #218 Lidane

The wingnuts have been adding negative Yelp ratings to his restaurant just because of his hugging the POTUS. You know, because liberals are the whiny, emotional, immature ones.

Hi You..How are the Lizards tonight?
There is much going on but let's address this issue first..
If I owned a biz and Obama visited and I gave him a great big bear hug seen over the world.. I would begging to get boycotted by wing nuts..Fuck them..This is what America is all about..Normal people see right through the BS...We love our small biz owners..My only problem is after all the publicity this generates by wing nuts on the fringes, Should I buy a million dollar condo in South Beach or a small winery in Napa?
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247 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:51:14pm

re: #232 Dark_Falcon

As long as Rahm is the last one standing, its fine.

Me ,, I'd rather see the kids and schools as "the last ones standing"

248 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:51:21pm

re: #241 darthstar

I don't like him, but I think he's the one who is more correct on the matter of improving Chicago's schools. I also want to see the teacher's union busted, as is my preference for all public sector unions.

I've explained myself on this issue many times and will not reply to replies to this post.

249 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:51:40pm

re: #245 Varek Raith

The banks fucked up with their schemes.
Not our fault they were dumb like that.

Those "schemes" made mandatory by congress?

250 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:52:15pm

re: #248 Dark_Falcon

i don't like him, but I think he's the one who is more correct on the matter of improving Chicago's schools. I also want to see the teacher's union busted, as is my preference for all public sector unions.

I've explained myself on this issue many times and will not reply to replies to this post.

Bullshit.

251 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:52:15pm

re: #249 sattv4u2

Those "schemes" made mandatory by congress?

Bullshit.

252 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:52:26pm

Lol.

253 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:52:26pm

re: #247 sattv4u2

Me ,, I'd rather see the kids and schools as "the last ones standing"

Me too.

254 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:53:23pm

re: #250 darthstar

Bullshit.

re: #251 Varek Raith

Bullshit.

EXACTLY the same time, too

Cue Twighlight Zone music

255 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:53:42pm
256 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:54:07pm

re: #254 sattv4u2

re: #251 Varek Raith

EXACTLY the same time, too

Cue Twighlight Zone music

But to different bullshit.

257 freetoken  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:54:43pm

re: #242 sattv4u2

While in our culture we've crafted laws that tend to give debt holders preference in resolving cases, nevertheless it is still recognized that there are many interests in the idea of "owning" something.

Lending must carry with it risks - and one (the most severe) risk of loaning money to someone else to procure property is that the lender won't get their money back.

Unless you want to have something (the government?) guarantee to banks that their investments will always be covered - in that case you are the one socializing "risk".

Do you prioritize a distant corporation over a local community? There are good reasons why a local community might want to protect itself from a run-away collapse in the local real estate market.

Additionally, there are many questionable practices that have been allowed to lenders, and it is not clear how these can be made "fair" (if there is such a thing.)

258 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:54:51pm

re: #256 darthstar

But to different bullshit.

Two countries united by a bulls ass droppings

259 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:54:52pm

re: #240 goddamnedfrank

GDF, that is not what Lt. Gov. Newsom is referring to. The following is what he is talking about:

Enter an outfit called Mortgage Resolution Partners. MRP, whose executives hail from the tech, real-estate, and financial industries, thinks it has hit upon a way to break the impasse. The company is counseling hard-hit local governments, including California’s San Bernardino County and two cities within the county, Fontana and Ontario, to use the power of eminent domain to seize mortgages from existing investors, write down the mortgages’ value, and sell the lower mortgages to new investors.

The argument is seductive. Governments can use eminent domain to take private property to further a public purpose—in this case, to jump-start local economies. As the MRP folks say, keeping people in their homes “benefits the entire community.” They argue that mortgages qualify as “property,” so local communities can seize mortgages while leaving the real estate itself in homeowners’ hands, eliminating the human costs of dislocation. MRP says it would encourage local governments to snatch only mortgages whose borrowers are current, meaning that borrowers won’t receive a reward for strategically defaulting on their loan.

SNIP

What could go wrong? Lots. First, MRP’s eminent-domain plan relies on a top-down assessment of how much a house is worth, not on market signals. Local governments would acquire “deeply underwater mortgages at a fair market value that is determined by an unbiased court,” MRP says. But courts cannot decree a market; only individual homebuyers can do that. Advocates of the program would prefer low prices. After all, the lower the price, the more room for new investors to profit. Further, an “unbiased” judge might base his verdict of what houses—and thus mortgages—are worth on recent foreclosures, including those of properties abandoned for months or years. Such a top-down undervaluation could be devastating to traumatized housing markets, as it would affect the ability of new homebuyers to get mortgages. What bank would approve a mortgage to a new homeowner that’s higher than the value a judge has assigned to mortgages on comparable houses? And MRP likely would counsel communities to act not just once, but in waves, as more cities and towns show interest and as new investors provide more money. The threat of months’ or years’ worth of seizures could deter private investors from purchasing property.

Second, MRP has said that it would first target only mortgages whose investors are in the private sector. That is, MRP would leave government-backed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac mortgages alone for now, though communities would be free to go after the government-backed agencies in the future. This would send an unmistakable signal to future mortgage lenders: stick with the government or risk big losses. That’s a terrible message when the government’s supposed goal is, eventually, to reduce Washington’s near-monopoly on the housing market. The strategy also raises equal-protection questions. Why should one homeowner suffer under a big loan while her neighbor gets a deal, just because one neighbor has a Fannie Mae mortgage and the other has a “private-label” mortgage? These discrepancies likely would lead to court fights, prolonging housing-market uncertainty.

Read the whole thing.

260 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:55:11pm

Bullshit2

261 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:55:19pm

re: #237 sattv4u2

re: #213 allegro

Considering that millions of properties can't even be traced to ownership now, eminent domain may be a solution.

Shouldn't the mortgage holder (bank, investor, mortgage company) have 1st dibs on the property if "properties can't even be traced to ownership" rather than the gov't taking it bu e.d.??

The point it that with all the loan bundling from one hand to another to another, no one knows anymore who owns what and I'm not talking about homeowners but those mortgage holders. This has been shown to be the case in thousands of foreclosures where proper paperwork cannot be submitted. This means that property is in limbo.

In eminent domain, the property isn't taken for nothing - it is purchased. (You do know that right?) This can allow a municipality to rebuild devastated neighborhoods and help to prevent further degradation and plummeting property values that make people default on underwater mortgages, etc. for a continuing downward spiral.

262 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:55:46pm
263 darthstar  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:56:44pm

re: #262 Lidane

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Rand Paul would hold up Senate business because he had gas.

264 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:58:30pm
265 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:59:21pm

re: #261 allegro

In eminent domain, the property isn't taken for nothing - it is purchased. (You do know that right?)

Except that it's rarely near anything close to market value, NOR is the "seller" compensated for attorneys' and appraisers' fees so the owners of the taken property never recover the full value of the taken land, even if they prevail in the valuation trial, because a part of their recovery must be used to pay those lawyers and appraisers.

266 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 3:59:36pm

re: #262 Lidane

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Throw that Libertarian Government hating asshole out of the Senate.

267 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:00:07pm

Oh buoy.

268 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:00:45pm

re: #266 Tigger2

Throw that Libertarian Government hating asshole out of the Senate.

I don't believe thats how it works

I think you have to have something called ,, lemme think,,, umm,, oh yeah ,, an ELECTION

269 Sionainn  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:01:15pm

re: #227 Lidane

Good. It's stupid to try and destroy a man's business because he was happy to see the POTUS in his store.

These are the same people who screamed about indoctrination when the president was going to speak to schoolchildren about the importance of going to school and doing their best. What else would you expect from nuts like that?

270 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:01:24pm

re: #267 Gus

Oh buoy.

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His negative ratings are getting killed by positive ratings.

271 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:01:28pm

re: #264 Gus

Indeed. Naomi Klein is the woman who wrote the conspiracist book The Shock Doctrine, home of a loopy conspiracy theory attacking Milton Friedman, among others.

272 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:02:04pm

re: #259 Dark_Falcon

GDF, that is not what Lt. Gov. Newsom is referring to.

Yes it is. Only he's trying to prevent the documented negative effects of foreclosure on the community by helping homeowners restructure predatory loans. It's all related. Everything would be fine if the banks would auction off the homes to the highest bidder with no reserve price. If that were the law, as it should be, then the market would correct itself with swift severity and the banks would have an incentive to work with their existing homeowners rather than taking the risk at the auction block.

273 sattv4u2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:02:13pm

ah well


The Chicken Marsala isn't going to make itself, so if I'm to eat tonight, it's off to the kitchen

274 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:02:15pm

re: #268 sattv4u2

I don't believe thats how it works

I think you have to have something called ,, lemme think,,, umm,, oh yeah ,, an ELECTION

No shit. wishful thinking.

275 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:02:17pm

re: #265 sattv4u2


In eminent domain, the property isn't taken for nothing - it is purchased. (You do know that right?)

Except that it's rarely near anything close to market value, NOR is the "seller" compensated for attorneys' and appraisers' fees so the owners of the taken property never recover the full value of the taken land, even if they prevail in the valuation trial, because a part of their recovery must be used to pay those lawyers and appraisers.

The poor, poor banks. Better they should sit on deteriorating property for which they will never get a high market price anyway so that neighboring homeowners, townships, schools, the state, and more can suffer from reduced values and taxes.

276 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:03:26pm

It's almost time for MNF football..Isn't that great?
I think one of the worst days of the year is the Monday after the SuperBowl.
You wake up after the best parties for months and lay there with the Alarm going off so you can go to work staring at the ceiling.. There is no more Football. Bummer!
( I'm still on painkillers and I get my left knee drained in the Morning at a Sports Clinic in Norman. ) If I post something stupid tonight just understand why.. I'm a Happy boy.. LOL

277 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:03:49pm

re: #270 Tigger2

His negative ratings are getting killed by positive ratings.

You have the link for that?

278 jaunte  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:04:12pm

re: #267 Gus

Arizonans boycotting a Florida pizza joint unclear on the concept.

279 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:05:04pm

Well.. I'd eat there but after seeing the owner grab our leftist President I felt compelled to disrespect his establishment as much as the President disrespects our constitution. Shame on you Scott Van Duzer for thumbing your nose at all the small business owners this President has disrespected for the last four years. I guess you DIDN'T BUILD IT!

I hope you're prepared for many more Yelps like this!!! Maybe you weren't thinking, or maybe you are the only liberal pro Obama business owner, who knows.. but you won't get mine or anyone else's business for your treachery.

280 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:05:05pm

re: #277 Gus

You have the link for that?

re: #277 Gus

You have the link for that?

Here it is Gus.
[Link: www.yelp.com...]

281 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:06:27pm

re: #272 goddamnedfrank

You might be surprised, but while Nicole Gelinas (whose article I linked to above) opposes the use of eminent domain, she actually agrees that banks need to turn around foreclosures faster:

Meanwhile, banks and investors don’t like principal write-downs for a perfectly rational reason, even when they are legally able to do them: the government has encouraged them to wait. The Federal Reserve has kept interest rates at zero percent for nearly four years, allowing banks and investors to borrow cheaply and to keep old, bad assets (including mortgages) on their books and hope for the best. The U.S. government hasn’t used its power over Fannie and Freddie to reduce mortgage balances for borrowers, probably because it has already promised Fannie and Freddie’s lenders that they won’t suffer any losses, so taxpayers would have to pay for private-sector mistakes. Moreover, Washington’s all-purpose answer to the housing crisis is to hope that house prices will somehow recover their magical bubble-era values, and to do everything in its power, and then some, to make that happen. Since the financial crisis began, the Fed has amassed an $855 billion portfolio of mortgage-backed securities—and has tried to keep their value going up, not down.

You can’t blame banks and investors for hoping that Washington succeeds in achieving the impossible. Only very brave or foolish investors fight the Fed, or the feds. There’s so far little sign of danger, either, that a change in the White House will make much difference. Republican presidential challenger Mitt Romney’s approach to both banking and housing has been to ignore these electorally perilous topics. When everyone cowers at sane solutions, we shouldn’t be surprised that crazy ones materialize.

282 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:06:44pm

re: #280 Tigger2

re: #277 Gus

Here it is Gus.
[Link: www.yelp.com...]

Awesome! Has 5 stars! The comments are good too.

Republicans, go home, you're drunk.

Seriously - trashing a business because of differing political opinions? Give me a break..

283 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:09:16pm

re: #280 Tigger2

re: #277 Gus

Here it is Gus.
[Link: www.yelp.com...]

...and that's why I generally don't support boycotts against businesses I disagree with politically.

284 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:09:56pm

re: #282 Gus

Seriously - trashing a business because of differing political opinions? Give me a break..

Have a Chick fil A sandwich!

285 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:12:12pm

re: #282 Gus

Awesome! Has 5 stars! The comments are good too.

They have been going all day. Daily Kos has a link where you can donate to Scott Foundation.

UPDATE #4: Notice to Kos members: Seems Van Duzer's pizza parlor is being inudated with orders. LOL This is great, but they're swamped now. Literally. So they'd much rather you donate directly to The Van Duzer Foundation. Let's keep the love flowing, folks, in the form of donations. I want to blow these GOP thugs out of the water with their stupid boycott.

[Link: thevanduzerfoundation.org...]

Here it is.

286 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:12:53pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

Have a Chick fil A sandwich!

Corporations are people too my friend.

Sorry. I'm not going to compare a boycott of Chick-Fil-A to some guys that owns a pizza shop in Florida that simply hugged the president. I don't understand the equivalency here.

287 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:14:51pm

re: #283 Killgore Trout

...and that's why I generally don't support boycotts against businesses I disagree with politically.

It's one thing to boycott a business that affects you or that you would have the opportunity to patronize otherwise.

Throwing negative Yelps/reviews on a pizza joint hundreds/thousands of miles away, all because you don't like that the owner likes the President and you don't like that the President took time to visit them? That's just fucking stupid and comes off like a spoiled brat's temper tantrum.

Sound and fury, signifying nothing...

288 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:14:51pm

re: #286 Gus

Corporations are people too my friend.

Sorry. I'm not going to compare a boycott of Chick-Fil-A to some guys that owns a pizza shop in Florida that simply hugged the president. I don't understand the equivalency here.

It's like no one here ever documented the fact that large sums of corporate dollars were being used to fund anti-gay efforts. Not the equivalent of a hug and a business owner's vote.

289 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:15:53pm

re: #284 Killgore Trout

Have a Chick fil A sandwich!

Chick Fil is a chain store Big Apple Pizza isn't. Chick fil took a policy stance The owner of Big Apple Pizza just like the President, big difference.

290 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:16:03pm

re: #286 Gus

Sorry. I'm not going to compare a boycott of Chick-Fil-A to some guys that owns a pizza shop in Florida that simply hugged the president. I don't understand the equivalency here.

Because there isn't one. Hugging the POTUS when he visits your shop is nowhere near the same as donating millions to anti-gay causes.

291 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:17:23pm

re: #289 Tigger2

Chick Fil is a chain store Big Apple Pizza isn't. Chick fil took a policy stance The owner of Big Apple Pizza just like the President, big difference.

They are a franchise chain. So a distinction must be drawn between the CEO's personal views and the owners of the franchises.

292 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:18:07pm

Let's defend Chick-Fil-A because of this!

Seriously?

293 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:18:30pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

They are a franchise chain. So a distinction must be drawn between the CEO's personal views and the owners of the franchises.

They're a franchise chain that promotes from within, including in determining who gets their franchises. That matters.

294 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:19:07pm

re: #292 Gus

Let's defend Chick-Fil-A because of this!

Seriously?

It's the dumbest false equivalence yet. The pizza guy hugged the POTUS. That's it. There's nothing to defend at all.

295 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:19:20pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

They are a franchise chain. So a distinction must be drawn between the CEO's personal views and the owners of the franchises.

Not when significant chunks of the franchise money goes into the corporate coffers to be used to promote and fund bigotry. Distinction erased.

296 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:20:07pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

They are a franchise chain. So a distinction must be drawn between the CEO's personal views and the owners of the franchises.

I didn't see many if any of the franchises coming out against to CEOs stance.

297 danarchy  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:20:22pm

re: #270 Tigger2

His negative ratings are getting killed by positive ratings.

I am glad he is getting positive ratings(average 5 stars at the moment), but if I was looking for a place to eat based on reviews I would have no idea how the pizza there was because all of these reviews have nothing to do with food. I hope the folks at yelp purge all of the bogus reviews.

298 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:20:58pm

re: #295 allegro

Not when significant chunks of the franchise money goes into the corporate coffers to be used to promote and fund bigotry. Distinction erased.

Well, its irrelevant to me, because while there is a Chick-Fil-A in Chicago, there is no Big Pizza.

299 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:21:33pm

re: #296 Tigger2

I didn't see many if any of the franchises coming out against to CEOs stance.

The owner of the franchise in Chicago did, and did so clearly.

300 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:23:11pm
301 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:23:31pm

re: #299 Dark_Falcon

The owner of the franchise in Chicago did, and did so clearly.

I see that as irrelevant. I have no issue with doing business with anyone with differing political views. I do have issue contributing to the funding of hate and bigotry with my consumer dollars. If I learn that's happening, I take my business elsewhere.

302 Tigger2  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:23:45pm

re: #297 danarchy

I am glad he is getting positive ratings(average 5 stars at the moment), but if I was looking for a place to eat based on reviews I would have no idea how the pizza there was because all of these reviews have nothing to do with food. I hope the folks at yelp purge all of the bogus reviews.

I'm sure they will after this calms down a bit.

303 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:24:44pm

re: #291 Dark_Falcon

They are a franchise chain. So a distinction must be drawn between the CEO's personal views and the owners of the franchises.

CFA chose to donate to anti gay causes from the corporate checkbook. With that action they voluntarily conflated the corporate identity with the owners' bigoted views. The franchisees pay substantial amounts of their profits to the parent corporation for their licenses to operate, therefore they have chosen to actively associate themselves with the views of that anti-gay corporation.

304 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:25:07pm

re: #294 Lidane

It's the dumbest false equivalence yet. The pizza guy hugged the POTUS. That's it. There's nothing to defend at all.

It is dumb. Especially when you consider any boycott of Chick-Fil-A would probably lead to a tiny bump in their profits -- in consideration of where your typical Chick-Fil-A is located. In fact the call to boycott them lead to a buycott. A boycott of Van Duzer's pizza shop would likely have devastating consequences.

305 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:26:22pm

re: #304 Gus

It is dumb. Especially when you consider any boycott of Chick-Fil-A would probably lead to a tiny bump in their profits -- in consideration of where your typical Chick-Fil-A is located. In fact the call to boycott them lead to a buycott. A boycott of Van Duzer's pizza shop would likely have devastating consequences.

Fortunately, that idiot boycott seems to be leading to a buycott as well. I hope his sales continue to skyrocket. :)

306 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:26:24pm

Derp.

307 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:26:43pm

What sort of vile, hateful environment has Conservative cult media created where any sort of positive interaction with the President of the fucking United States becomes grounds for this sort of firestorm?

308 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:27:24pm

re: #289 Tigger2

Chick Fil is a chain store Big Apple Pizza isn't. Chick fil took a policy stance The owner of Big Apple Pizza just like the President, big difference.

Chick fil a is also a franchise of stores owned by lots of small business owner who may or may not share the politics of the CEO of the company. There are lots of differences but it's essentially the same situation.

309 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:27:25pm

re: #303 goddamnedfrank

CFA chose to donate to anti gay causes from the corporate checkbook. With that action they voluntarily conflated the corporate identity with the owners' bigoted views. The franchisees pay substantial amounts of their profits to the parent corporation for their licenses to operate, therefore they have chosen to actively associate themselves with the views of that anti-gay corporation.

What of a franchise owner who bought in before this brouhaha got started. He may not have choice but to continue his association with Chick-Fil-A, if enough of his money is tied up in the franchise.

310 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:28:02pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Chick fil a is also a franchise of stores owned by lots of small business owner who may or may not share the politics of the CEO of the company. There are lots of differences but it's essentially the same situation.

Derp.

311 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:29:07pm

Magical balance fairy is magical.

312 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:31:04pm

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

What of a franchise owner who bought in before this brouhaha got started. He may not have choice but to continue his association with Chick-Fil-A, if enough of his money is tied up in the franchise.

Fuck him. He can get out whenever he wants and rebrand. He also had plenty of opportunity to meet the owners and feel them out before he opened. Stanley Sea mentioned her ex brother in law trying to get her and her ex husband to be the official faces for his franchise purchase, because the corporation wouldn't allow unmarried operators. That kind of shit is a glaring red flag, I'm guessing the CFA franchise agreement provides plenty of warning that one is about to get involved with weird ass religious fanatics.

313 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:32:31pm

re: #307 Renaissance_Man

What sort of vile, hateful environment has Conservative cult media created where any sort of positive interaction with the President of the fucking United States becomes grounds for this sort of firestorm?

The same environment we've been in since November 2008.

Just imagine what these cretins will be like if Barack Obama wins a second term.

314 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:33:07pm

Anyone have their wingnut decoding machine handy?

315 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:34:35pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Chick fil a is also a franchise of stores owned by lots of small business owner who may or may not share the politics of the CEO of the company. There are lots of differences but it's essentially the same situation.

Except that Chik-Fil A's franchise rules have religious requirements on top of financial ones:

[Link: smallbusiness.chron.com...]

316 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:35:46pm

re: #314 Gus

317 allegro  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:36:31pm

re: #308 Killgore Trout

Chick fil a is also a franchise of stores owned by lots of small business owner who may or may not share the politics of the CEO of the company. There are lots of differences but it's essentially the same situation.

So never mind the millions of corporate dollars used to deny Americans their civil rights. That's essentially the same as a hug in your book?

318 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:38:30pm

re: #317 allegro

So never mind the millions of corporate dollars used to deny Americans their civil rights. That's essentially the same as a hug in your book?

I have no doubt people feel justified in their own boycotts and feel their opponent's boycotts are unjust and unfair. Personally, I choose not to participate in boycotts against businesses I disagree with politically.

319 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:39:23pm

I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A, so this discussion is academic to me. Going upstairs.

320 Gus  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:40:00pm

re: #319 Dark_Falcon

I don't eat at Chick-Fil-A, so this discussion is academic to me. Going upstairs.

I like that.

321 Lidane  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 4:40:18pm

re: #318 Killgore Trout

And exactly where are the politics in a business owner hugging the POTUS when he visits your shop? That's just being friendly. It's NOT the same as spending millions of corporate dollars on anti-gay causes.

What the hell was he supposed to do? Punch Barack Obama in the face?

322 alpuz  Mon, Sep 10, 2012 5:26:44pm

re: #285 Tigger2

I gave. Not a whole lot, but as former 'pizza guy' it felt good.


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