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1 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:19:59pm

AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

2 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:21:26pm

re: #1 Stanley Sea

AMERICA THE BEAUTIFUL

This is horrible. For the GOP chairman, Reince Priebus, to say this about the President of the United States of America on this day, 9/11, and after suffering the loss of one of its diplomatic corps? This is outrageous.

3 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:22:10pm

Instant promotion. I think these cretins may have really crossed the line this time.

4 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:23:24pm

re: #2 Gus

This is horrible. For the GOP chairman, Reince Priebus, to say this about the President of the United States of America on this day, 9/11, and after suffering the loss of one of its diplomatic corps? This is outrageous.

This is the GOP, Gus. The internet just stripped off the mask to allow us to see the darkness underneath.

5 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:23:26pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Instant promotion. I think these cretins may have really crossed the line this time.

Hey. The Tweet is showing my initial Tweet as the summary. I had the wrong Tweet there at first and then posted. Any way to fix that?

6 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:24:02pm

The GOP must be desperate at this point to activate the wingnut base.

7 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:24:33pm

I agree the initial statement was weak, but I don't know that it was Obama who issued it.

8 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:24:40pm

re: #5 Gus

Hey. The Tweet is showing my initial Tweet as the summary. I had the wrong Tweet there at first and then posted. Any way to fix that?

Nope, I can't change a summary once Twitter saves it.

9 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:24:59pm

re: #8 Charles Johnson

Nope, I can't change a summary once Twitter saves it.

OK. The title works. :)

10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:26:13pm

What a complete and total douche bag. Apparently Romney is also tryong to exploit the situation and...surprise...basing his attack on a lie as well.

11 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:27:09pm

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Instant promotion. I think these cretins may have really crossed the line this time.

Larison over at Crazy Uncle Pat's magazine The American Conservative is already offended and slapping Mittens around. I posted his tweets downstairs.

12 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:28:09pm

Technically, he waited for 9/11 to be over for 1 minute 20 seconds...

13 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:28:55pm

re: #10 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

What a complete and total douche bag. Apparently Romney is also tryong to exploit the situation and...surprise...basing his attack on a lie as well.

This is how desperate they've become in the wake of the reality that Romney is a dud as a candidate. One poll actually showed that 10% more people were less likely to vote for Romney as a result of the convention than vote for him. He has to win over a minimum of 61% of the white vote to have a chance on Election Day. The party's decided that this will come by working the wingnuts into a lather.

14 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:30:15pm

re: #13 Targetpractice

The party's decided that this will come by working the wingnuts into a lather.

When your only hope for victory is rallying the base that should be on your side anyway, you're doing it wrong.

I eagerly await all the tell-all books after the election about the chaos and incompetence behind the scenes at Romney HQ.

15 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:33:30pm
16 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:33:56pm

For every wingnut the GOP radicalism attracts, it repels 1.5 moderates.

Given enough time and money, Mitt could turn a close race into a landslide for Obama.

17 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:35:02pm

re: #14 Lidane

When your only hope for victory is rallying the base that should be on your side anyway, you're doing it wrong.

I eagerly await all the tell-all books after the election about the chaos and incompetence behind the scenes at Romney HQ.

I honestly didn't think that the GOP could run a more hapless campaign after '08, but I was wrong. I can't begin to imagine how much of a joke '16 is gonna be if they lose this year.

18 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:35:47pm

Say what you want about Keith, but he's right about this:

19 recusancy  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:36:01pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I agree the initial statement was weak, but I don't know that it was Obama who issued it.

Your "team" is beyond despicable tonight.

20 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:36:31pm

re: #17 Targetpractice

I honestly didn't think that the GOP could run a more hapless campaign after '08, but I was wrong. I can't begin to imagine how much of a joke '16 is gonna be if they lose this year.

True. Mitt makes Sarah Palin look smart.

21 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:36:57pm

re: #18 Lidane

Say what you want about Keith, but he's right about this:

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I kind of whined about him earlier but sometimes he really comes up with some doozies. A lot of times really.

22 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:37:52pm

re: #19 recusancy

And given how bad they've been one would think they couldn't get any worse.

23 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:39:19pm

Yep. This is how we honor those folks trapped on floor 88.

Fuckers, grifters, opportunists, hate bags, GOP

24 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:39:33pm

re: #21 Gus

I kind of whined about him earlier but sometimes he really comes up with some doozies. A lot of times really.

Keith is absolutely an arrogant ass, but he gets things right sometimes. This is one of those times.

25 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:40:37pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

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Yep. This is how we honor those folks trapped on floor 88.

Fuckers, grifters, opportunists, hate bags, GOP

I'm just gonna upding that before someone else slips in a neg...

26 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:42:02pm

re: #24 Lidane

Keith is absolutely an arrogant ass, but he gets things right sometimes. This is one of those times.

Yep. Seeing people eclectically. A little here, a little there, but not the whole thing.

27 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:43:05pm
28 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:43:14pm

Wow.

This is gonna be all kinds of fun.

29 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:43:28pm

re: #23 Stanley Sea

DESPICABLE.

30 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:44:05pm

re: #27 Gus

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My first instinct was to hope that this wasn't from some town in the US named Delhi.

31 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:44:16pm

re: #28 Mocking Jay

Wow.

[Embedded content]

This is gonna be all kinds of fun.

FNC's gonna have competition for the wingnut viewers?

32 Opal  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:44:49pm

Did somebody hack Priebus' account and tweet this? It will certainly reflect badly on him, and there doesn't seem to be anything to gain for Priebus or his party with that floating around out there.

33 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:45:11pm

re: #29 Dancing along the light of day

sorry we meet under such sucky times.

Hope all's well!

34 okonkolo  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:45:43pm

I can't even be polite anymore. Fuck these guys, and fuck Reince Priebus.

35 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:46:29pm

re: #32 Opal

Did somebody hack Priebus' account and tweet this? It will certainly reflect badly on him, and there doesn't seem to be anything to gain for Priebus or his party with that floating around out there.

I have no doubt the real deal. The real deal he is. He represents.

36 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:46:54pm

re: #32 Opal

Did somebody hack Priebus' account and tweet this? It will certainly reflect badly on him, and there doesn't seem to be anything to gain for Priebus or his party with that floating around out there.

My advice? Take screenshots. Just in case.

37 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:47:24pm

re: #28 Mocking Jay

Wow.

[Embedded content]

This is gonna be all kinds of fun.

Happily, I have DirecTV and won't have Glenn Beck's lunancy disgracing my channel listings.

38 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:47:57pm

And some people actually felt sorry for Reince for the way Chris Matthews tattooed the word STUPID on his forehead.

39 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:48:53pm

re: #32 Opal

Did somebody hack Priebus' account and tweet this? It will certainly reflect badly on him, and there doesn't seem to be anything to gain for Priebus or his party with that floating around out there.

Considering the "Obama Apology Tour" bit that the GOP's been pushing for awhile, I've no doubt this is the real Priebus. And sure he thinks he'll gain something, he thinks he'll further fire up the wingnuts by convincing them that Obama's on the side of the rioters.

40 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:50:02pm

re: #38 Mich-again

And some people actually felt sorry for Reince for the way Chris Matthews tattooed the word STUPID on his forehead.

I forgot her name but there was this one woman that was up against Reince that would have been way better.

41 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:50:46pm

re: #38 Mich-again

And some people actually felt sorry for Reince for the way Chris Matthews tattooed the word STUPID on his forehead.

Ah yes, the panel that gave Joe Scarborough the vapors.

42 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:50:57pm

Totally classless and pathetic on the part of Romney HQ. They're exploiting a death for the most craven reasons. Fuck those people.

43 recusancy  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:51:20pm

re: #7 Dark_Falcon

I agree the initial statement was weak, but I don't know that it was Obama who issued it.

Do you agree with Reince and Mitt?

44 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:52:28pm

re: #33 Stanley Sea

I have a new poster, says "make today ridiculously amazing". It's next to the front door! I am trying! Hope all is ridiculously amazing for you!

45 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:53:29pm

re: #28 Mocking Jay

Wow.

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This is gonna be all kinds of fun.

So Dish blocks AMC (one of the only non-premium channels that isn't complete crap), and is planning on replacing it with.....Glenn Beck.

Makes me glad that I've never even thought about switching to Dish.

46 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:55:13pm

re: #42 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Totally classless and pathetic on the part of Romney HQ. They're exploiting a death for the most craven reasons. Fuck those people.

"Let's put out this statement, but ask the press not to release it til midnight, in respect of 9/11."

*15 minutes later*

"We decided against our initial decision, but we're not going to say why."

47 Blizard  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:56:06pm

re: #6 freetoken

The GOP must be desperate at this point to activate the wingnut base.

Speaking of..

My cousin who is a Commissioned Officer in the Navy sent me this link. When Admiral John Nathman took the stage during a tribute to veterans during the DNC, the photo behind him was of Russian warships. Mistake? I'm thinking so. I hope an apology is issued.

New outrage in 3...2...

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]


As a side note- I am conflicted and saddened, too, from some of the comments in the above article because this really shows how many people feel. A mistake was certainly made, and I can even understand how many of the Veterans could get ticked off. But to say all democrats are commies and that we hate America, this was a planned photo to send a signal to Russia, that we hate God and Jerusalem, Obama is *still* a muslim, etc...?

I don't understand how one can sacrifice so much for our country and for Americans of ALL political persuasions, races, gender, etc. just to be so angry and spiteful and divided at other times. It's' a total dichotomy.

>edited for link

48 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 9:56:48pm

You know what? I think I've come up with a theory from this.

Reince Priebus is actually Jim Hoft.

49 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:01:04pm

re: #48 Gus

You know what? I think I've come up with a theory from this.

Reince Priebus is actually Jim Hoft.

Or he is trolling Derp's blog looking for talking points..

50 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:08:12pm

Just noticed the Twin Towers on the LGF logo.

51 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:08:55pm

re: #47 Blizard

Speaking of..

My cousin who is a Commissioned Officer in the Navy sent me this link. When Admiral John Nathman took the stage during a tribute to veterans during the DNC, the photo behind him was of Russian warships. Mistake? I'm thinking so. I hope an apology is issued.

New outrage in 3...2...

[Link: www.navytimes.com...]

As a side note- I am conflicted and saddened, too, from some of the comments in the above article because this really shows how many people feel. A mistake was certainly made, and I can even understand how many of the Veterans could get ticked off. But to say all democrats are commies and that we hate America, this was a planned photo to send a signal to Russia, that we hate God and Jerusalem, Obama is *still* a muslim, etc...?

I don't understand how one can sacrifice so much for our country and for Americans of ALL political persuasions, races, gender, etc. just to be so angry and spiteful and divided at other times. It's' a total dichotomy.

>edited for link

Yeah. This is so much more of a story than John McCain standing in front of a picture of Walter Reed Middle School during his acceptance speech.

52 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:14:27pm

re: #27 Gus

We often here of nations being disparaged - and in the past 24 hours we've been relentlessly reminded over and over about the supposed evils of Islam and Arab nations - but I think all too often overlooked are some of the real shitty things that happen in India. For a nation of a billion people it gets remarkably little notice in the US.

53 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:15:47pm

i knew i would find this if i took a look in freeperville, and sure enough here it is:

The last I heard, the protest crowd is growing in Cairo. Obama’s Hostage Crisis? This whole election is becoming eerily similar and that bodes well.

54 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:15:55pm

1/7th of the world's population lives in India, but they garner maybe 1/700th of "mindspace" in contemporary American events blogging.

55 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:16:56pm

re: #52 freetoken

We often here of nations being disparaged - and in the past 24 hours we've been relentlessly reminded over and over about the supposed evils of Islam and Arab nations - but I think all too often overlooked are some of the real shitty things that happen in India. For a nation of a billion people it gets remarkably little notice in the US.

Religion, is a problem.

56 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:18:26pm

Feel free to burn books by Hitchens. I will not kill you.

57 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:18:29pm

re: #53 engineer cat

i knew i would find this if i took a look in freeperville, and sure enough here it is:

The last I heard, the protest crowd is growing in Cairo. Obama’s Hostage Crisis? This whole election is becoming eerily similar and that bodes well.

Huh. So they want Americans to be taken hostage.

Or in other words... patriots!

58 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:20:18pm

re: #55 Gus

Religion, is a problem.

Especially in India.

But they have problems that go beyond just religious ones.

59 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:20:38pm

re: #58 freetoken

Especially in India.

But they have problems that go beyond just religious ones.

Class.

60 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:20:59pm

re: #59 Gus

Class.

And race.

61 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:21:00pm

re: #54 freetoken

1/7th of the world's population lives in India, but they garner maybe 1/700th of "mindspace" in contemporary American events blogging.

Geez, how much do Americans really know about China for that matter? Most of us probably think it's half factories, half rice paddies, and everyone gets paid ten bucks a day.

62 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:21:41pm

re: #60 freetoken

And race.

Los negritos?

63 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:27:03pm

re: #62 Gus

Lot of groups in India, all kinds and flavors.

South Asia comprises India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and several small nations. All told they make up almost 1/5th of the world's population.

And that is important to us.

For example, all the hand wringing over Iran. How many times do you see laments over Iran still being able to sell all the oil they can pump? Americans like to think we should be able to just turn it off. Yet all those people in Asia need, need, every last drop of oil Iran (or any other close nation) can produce. There were talks about building pipelines straight to India from Iran via Pakistan - I don't know where that lead to, but it shows where the direction is heading for MidEast oil.

Just wait until the "Foreign Policy" debate coming up in October. I wonder how many questions will really challenge the candidates to address the big problems, or if it will just turn out to be an exercise in American narcissism.

64 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:28:24pm

re: #63 freetoken

Lot of groups in India, all kinds and flavors.

South Asia comprises India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, and several small nations. All told they make up almost 1/5th of the world's population.

And that is important to us.

For example, all the hand wringing over Iran. How many times do you see laments over Iran still being able to sell all the oil they can pump? Americans like to think we should be able to just turn it off. Yet all those people in Asia need, need, every last drop of oil Iran (or any other close nation) can produce. There were talks about building pipelines straight to India from Iran via Pakistan - I don't know where that lead to, but it shows where the direction is heading for MidEast oil.

Just wait until the "Foreign Policy" debate coming up in October. I wonder how many questions will really challenge the candidates to address the big problems, or if it will just turn out to be an exercise in American narcissism.

My ideal of the USA and Iran is us helping them build nuclear power plants.

65 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:31:56pm

re: #64 Gus

My ideal of the USA and Iran is us helping them build nuclear power plants.

A few years back, in the Bush administration, some were pushing an idea where Russia, US, and Japan would enter into an agree with Iran where the US and Japan would construct nuclear power plants there, and Russia (and maybe Japan) would recycle the nuclear fuel. That ran into hurdles of course, but the idea was to undermine the argument (based on the real need) that Iran needed more electricity generation capability and thus had to build their own nuclear plants.

66 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:38:04pm

re: #53 engineer cat

i knew i would find this if i took a look in freeperville, and sure enough here it is:

The last I heard, the protest crowd is growing in Cairo. Obama’s Hostage Crisis? This whole election is becoming eerily similar and that bodes well.

Dear Freeper Moron --

Barack Obama is not Jimmy Carter. Wishing for it will not make it happen.

Also, please STFU with your gloating. You DO realize you're basically hoping for a higher American body count with that comment, right?

No love,
Me

67 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:39:53pm

Well, no implausible deniability on this one. There can't be any doubt that Priebus really does work for the GOP.

68 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:42:11pm

Why do I keep wanting to call this clown "Prince Rebus?"

69 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:42:49pm

Yeah, right. Do they honestly expect people to believe that?

70 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:43:24pm

re: #65 freetoken

A few years back, in the Bush administration, some were pushing an idea where Russia, US, and Japan would enter into an agree with Iran where the US and Japan would construct nuclear power plants there, and Russia (and maybe Japan) would recycle the nuclear fuel. That ran into hurdles of course, but the idea was to undermine the argument (based on the real need) that Iran needed more electricity generation capability and thus had to build their own nuclear plants.

There was a day when America faced 10's of thousands of Nukes from Russia and China...Now we wring our hands in diplomatic tears over one bomb....
Obama should call Iran..Look dude I have 10 Nukes pointed at all times You or your buddies try anything your country will cease to exist in 5 minutes..Also I'm over your shit. You have put the full weight of the US on notice...Fuck America! Let's Man up...And BiBi stand down some..Now isn't the time to start a war or stir shit..We got your back

71 Gus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:44:49pm

re: #69 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Yeah, right. Do they honestly expect people to believe that?

Spin.

72 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:45:06pm

re: #69 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Yeah, right. Do they honestly expect people to believe that?

Another error leaving the quandary of being a liar or incompetent. (And once again choosing to appear incompetent.) Verify facts before making statements to avoid wearing more egg.

73 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:46:58pm

re: #70 Digital Display

I think you have to keep in mind why Iran wants a bomb, and it's not to piss the West off or attack Israel. They aren't stupid nuts. Iran is worried the US might one day invade if we get another Bush, and they want an insurance policy.

74 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49:06pm

I see that the devil's mustache, Terry Jones, is peripherally involved in this incident through his enthusiastic promotion of the film. Why am I not surprised?

75 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:49:58pm

re: #72 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Another error leaving the quandary of being a liar or incompetent. (And once again choosing to appear incompetent.) Verify facts before making statements to avoid wearing more egg.

The GOP doesn't deal in facts. They deal in Truthiness. They deal in whatever will get the drooling knuckle-dragging base riled up and pissed off at the black guy. And they're doing it because that's all they've got to run on, since Mitt Romney has been running the most idea free campaign I've seen in decades.

This wasn't an error. They released their statements and timed their attacks the way they wanted it, but when the shit hit the fan and people got offended, now they're trying to bullshit their way out of it.

76 Locker  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:54:43pm

It's fairly transparent when our President isn't responsible for getting bin Laden even though he gave a direct order but he is responsible for the statements by the embassy under attack as if he said the words himself.

I find it hard to stomach that the GOP will use every tragedy and event to attack the President. It would also surprise me if this kind of thing doesn't sway independents away from their party.

77 Digital Display  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 10:58:31pm

OT: Now that we have solved most of the world's problems tonight..
Floral..We'll need to chat soon...So much going on
Got the knee drained today and will be out of pain pills Weds..Yes I know my posts have been brilliant the last 4 days..Blame the pills if you must.

78 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:04:43pm

Gratis frokostseminar - Hvordan finne, vinne og beholde kunder

i can only figure this out far enough to make out that i'm being invited to a free breakfast seminar. i would surely like to go, since i got stuck on the company mailing list since they use my software, but unfortunately it is difficult for me to get to oslo in time for breakfast

altho i bet norwegians do a really great breakfast

79 freetoken  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:12:05pm
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80 Lidane  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:14:38pm
81 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:17:00pm

re: #77 Digital Display

Miss you! Hope Winston is keeping you entertained!

82 simoom  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:47:44pm

re: #42 Lidane

Totally classless and pathetic on the part of Romney HQ. They're exploiting a death for the most craven reasons. Fuck those people.

McKay is off by nearly the entire day. The Romney camp actually broke their supposed 11th remembrance embargo at 3:33am yesterday morning with an attack on the auto bailout:

[Link: mittromneycentral.com...]

September 11, 2012 - 3:33 AM | 2,084 views

You may have noted that a big part of President Obama’s bid for re-election hinges on Joe Biden’s gleeful statement that “Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive.” That’s a convenient sound bite. Bin Laden is in fact dead, and while President Obama deserves some credit for giving the order to proceed (not without some controversy regarding taking more credit than is his due), as for GM, Mitt Romney’s prediction in his New York Times op ed piece, often vilified by the Obama administration, seems strangely prescient today:

...

The National Review yesterday tore into Obama's auto bailout. It noted that the auto bailout was an odd duck from the beginning, and so it's an especially unusual corner piece to a re-election campaign. The bailouts were unpopular at the time they were implemented, and even those in favor of them were wary of their “moral hazard” (incentive for other industries to take similar risks, knowing the government would bail them out, too). The auto industry was also allocated funds under TARP, which was created to solve the problems related to the bursting of the real estate bubble, not auto manufacturers' lack of competitiveness.

Interestingly, the National Review points out that it was not even President Obama, but President Bush that first initiated the auto bailout. So if a president deserves credit, it does not all belong to Obama. President Obama’s distinguishing addition was the end run around the standard bankruptcy process in order to serve one of his primary constituencies, the UAW ...

[blah, blah, blah]

83 Gretchen G.Tiger  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:47:53pm

I made it thru my computer chores unscathed. Dashboard looks a bit different after installing Mountain Lion and I get to use "THE CLOUD". Whatever that means. Keeps asking me to use my confidential info --whatever that means.

Anyway, I'm tired. Waiting for the computer to do it's work is so exhausting :)

Have a great evening all!

84 simoom  Tue, Sep 11, 2012 11:56:02pm

re: #82 simoom

Others breaking the supposed embargo,

Spokesman, Romney for President:

Romney for President, Deputy Communications Director:

85 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:05:08am

re: #84 simoom

They are real desperate to activate the wingnut base.

86 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:07:35am

re: #83 ggt

... I get to use "THE CLOUD". Whatever that means....

It's sort of like The Mother-ship, where you will be taken one day for your body parts.

87 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:10:43am
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88 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:39am

OT: anybody watch Sons of Anarchy tonight? Want to talk to me about it? I haz feels...

89 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:42am

That stunning piece was by the Paquito D' Rivera trio.

90 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:58am

re: #88 sagehen

NO SPOILERS!

91 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:17:36am

re: #90 freetoken

NO SPOILERS!

I guess that means you don't want to talk to me about it?

So you're in a later time zone, or it's on your Tivo, and you'll talk to me about it tomorrow? 'Cuz it's 90 minutes of OMGOMGOMG eleventy!!

92 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:49:52am

re: #91 sagehen

It's on my list to do later.

93 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:10:26am
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94 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:12:51am
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95 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:16:31am

Morning, all

96 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:22:01am

re: #94 freetoken

Soothing.

Bach?

97 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:23:48am

re: #93 freetoken

More Bach?

98 simoom  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:27:35am

It's worth noting that Romney's statement is similarly outrageous to the Priebus tweet. The only difference is Romney includes the entire administration in his charge:

Romney: "It's disgraceful that the Obama Administration's first response was not to condemn attacks on our diplomatic missions, but to sympathize with those who waged the attacks."

Both baselessly accused the POTUS & his administration of sympathizing with the killers who just murdered one of his / their own.

99 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:30:55am

re: #87 freetoken

Nice!

I didn't see that comiong.

I thought I heard some elements of mid century progressive jazz, but admittedly I'm outta my league here.

100 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:08:53am

re: #97 researchok

Ja.

101 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:54:09am

Morning Honcos.

102 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:56:16am

CNN reporting US Ambassador to Libya killed in rocket attack.

103 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 2:56:41am

U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in attack: Libya official

104 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:00:42am

re: #103 Varek Raith

U.S. ambassador to Libya killed in attack: Libya official

And three other staff members. And this appears to be connected to the same damn dumb film thing. Someone is promoting and organizing the reactions around that shit. Someone wants the 'clash of civilizations' to really get going again.

105 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:03:48am

And while Americans are dying, Romney and his campaign don't even wait until the bodies are cold before they start attacking the president.

Remember how everyone pulled together after 9/11? It was inspirational. The Democrats in congress gave Bush their full-throated supported. We were all Americans.

Now, if a 9/11-style attack happened, the GOP would probably immediately impeach Obama.

106 palomino  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:10:28am

re: #105 Obdicut

And while Americans are dying, Romney and his campaign don't even wait until the bodies are warm before they start attacking the president.

Remember how everyone pulled together after 9/11? It was inspirational. The Democrats in congress gave Bush their full-throated supported. We were all Americans.

Now, if a 9/11-style attack happened, the GOP would probably immediately impeach Obama.

Certainly Obama would get blamed and we'd see little of the bipartisan support that Bush got. Once you've decided that Obama hates America, he can't do anything right. He can't even kill bin Laden right. See Cheney, Dick--upset that Obama is taking credit for getting bin Laden. As if presidents weren't entitled to take credit for things they do while in office.

How many Muslims does Obama have to kill before the Right stops accusing him of having a soft spot for terrorists? I suppose that's a trick question since the answer is infinity.

107 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:18:55am

re: #106 palomino

This could spread, and get worse, too. Things are still very volatile in the countries that have had revolutions in the ME. And while Obama and Clinton are trying to solve the problem, the GOP will be attacking them and posturing and throwing their shit around.

108 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:22:57am

A brief bit of sanity: thank god we still have a functioning court system, though we won't for long if the GOP keeps blocking appointments.

[Link: www.courthousenews.com...]

An Idaho prosecutor cannot pursue charges against a woman who terminated a pregnancy with drugs bought over the Internet, the 9th Circuit ruled Tuesday.

109 palomino  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:27:52am

re: #107 Obdicut

This could spread, and get worse, too. Things are still very volatile in the countries that have had revolutions in the ME. And while Obama and Clinton are trying to solve the problem, the GOP will be attacking them and posturing and throwing their shit around.

A really desperate strategy. Its chances of succeeding seem weak. If the US seems threatened and Obama takes action, it just gives him a chance to flex his muscles, and the public tends to rally around a president in such times. At least as long as there's no invasion with troops on the ground.

But even if the US doesn't seem threatened, it's not likely to hurt him if we start bombing someone in the Middle East. I don't think his approval numbers were at all affected by the aerial campaign over Libya. And he's certainly not about to start talking about putting more boots on the ground anywhere.

110 freetoken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:41:51am

re: #104 Obdicut

.... Someone wants the 'clash of civilizations' to really get going again.

More likely Someones.

Multiple interests would be furthered by these types of conflicts. Salafist leader(s), local hoodlums, fantasists (Geller et. al.), desperate demagogues (we're looking at you Mitt), not to mention the arms dealers.

111 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:10:05am

My computer does not like this new LGF upgrade. Can't upding, keeps kicking me out to home page. Waaaah!

112 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:17:45am

re: #111 Tommy's cone of shame

My computer does not like this new LGF upgrade. Can't upding, keeps kicking me out to home page. Waaaah!

Clear your cache and try again.

113 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:29:07am
Clear your cache and try again.

Did that and it's still busted. I am using IE8 here. Sux. Oh and "QUOTE" button is also busted.

114 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:30:00am

Pencil tool is busted, dinger is busted. IE8 SUX.

115 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:48am

Switched to Chrome.

116 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:35:21am

re: #115 Learned Mother of Zion

Switched to Chrome.

things have been a lot easier here w/chrome

117 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:37:56am

re: #115 Learned Mother of Zion

Switched to Chrome.

Chrome has been fantastic. IE sucks and Firefox got bloated and annoying.

118 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:39:32am

re: #117 Lidane

Chrome has been fantastic. IE sucks and Firefox got bloated and annoying.

I still like to use Firefox at home because of AdBlock+ but FF is not an approved browser here.

Chrome is nice and speedy. ¡Me gusta!

119 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:41:23am

re: #118 Learned Mother of Zion

I still like to use Firefox at home because of AdBlock+ but FF is not an approved browser here.

Chrome is nice and speedy. ¡Me gusta!

I have the AdBlock Plus and Kill-Flash extensions for Chrome. They work great.

120 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:29am

Thankyou Obdicut! Unfortunately no worky. Reply button don't work either. I'm sure it is on my end, IE8, and a company issued "locked" computer, I will try my personal laptop.

Now for something completely different. Obdicut, if you get a chance, the leaves up in Lake Placid are beginning to turn, grab the bride and take some time off! Keene Valley is beautiful too, hike up Mount Marcy, go to cathedral rock, hold hands...

121 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:45:38am

re: #120 Tommy's cone of shame

It's her schedule, not mine, that's the blocker, since she's doing lab research with live cell lines that need constant care. But Lake Placid has been heavily recommended to us.

Luckily, we have the proverbial friend with a house in the Hamptons, and we were able to get out there a lot in the summer.

122 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:46:20am

re: #106 palomino

How many Muslims does Obama have to kill before the Right stops accusing him of having a soft spot for terrorists? I suppose that's a trick question since the answer is infinity.

It doesn't matter. Barack Obama could personally nuke the entire Middle East into a parking lot and the RWNJs would still accuse him of being a terrorist sympathizer and the GOP would still say he's apologizing for America.

123 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:49:02am

re: #122 Lidane

It doesn't matter. Barack Obama could personally nuke the entire Middle East into a parking lot and the RWNJs would still accuse him of being a terrorist sympathizer and the GOP would still say he's apologizing for America.

Here's a typical Tweet from an Obama hater:

BTW where is Soros? Is he matching funds from Koch & Adelson? If not then what the hell good is he?

124 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:53:37am

re: #123 Learned Mother of Zion

BTW where is Soros? Is he matching funds from Koch & Adelson? If not then what the hell good is he?

Google tells me that Soros is in the news in Germany a lot these days. Something about the Eurozone crisis and the housing markets in Berlin.

What the hell kind of evil mastermind ignores his American POTUS sockpuppet to get involved somewhere else? Pfft.

125 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:57:56am

re: #106 palomino

How many Muslims does Obama have to kill before the Right stops accusing him of having a soft spot for terrorists? I suppose that's a trick question since the answer is infinity.

I assume he would have to kill himself in order to please them. (But not take credit for it, that would be arrogant)

126 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:01:27am

This is rather annoying. Updings for everyone@!!@!
Two for Obdicut.
Thats it, I'm taking my toys and going home ;)

127 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:07:03am

re: #45 JamesWI

So Dish blocks AMC (one of the only non-premium channels that isn't complete crap), and is planning on replacing it with.....Glenn Beck.

Makes me glad that I've never even thought about switching to Dish.

"AMC. Not available on Derp."

128 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:14:14am
129 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:18:39am
130 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:18:50am

Reince Priebus sympathizes with rapists and child molesters.

See I said it so it must be true. No proof needed, just me saying it. Everyone should shun Reince Priebus from civilized society because of my statement. Fucking idiot.

131 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:22:26am

And right away the resident troll shows up on the page about the murder of U.S. Ambassador Stevens and says "The U.S. deserved it"

132 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:24:33am

And yes, Liddy is one of Jon Huntsman's daughters.

133 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:25:36am

re: #131 Learned Mother of Zion

And right away the resident troll shows up on the page about the murder of U.S. Ambassador Stevens and says "The U.S. deserved it"

Where?

134 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:25:56am

re: #131 Learned Mother of Zion

Destro also approved of the cover-up of the murder of Poles by the USSR at Katyn, apparently because the Soviets fought really well against the Nazis so therefore obviously we ought to cover up democide for them.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

He's either just a troll or seriously fucked in the head.

135 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:26:20am

re: #133 Cannadian Club Akbar

Where?

Here.

136 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:26:35am

re: #132 Lidane

[Embedded content]

And yes, Liddy is one of Jon Huntsman's hot daughters.

FTFY.:)

137 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:29:37am

Looks like Reince's pathetic tweet is still generating outrage, especially now that we've lost an Ambassador:

138 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:30:22am

Also, wow. Doesn't Rupert Murdoch own the NY Post? I expect they'll be regretting this headline today:

139 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:32:32am

re: #105 Obdicut

Yeah,what happened to that unity? Hmm. I wish I had the time and brain power to make a timeline of the stuff that destroyed that unity. One of the early ones that stands out was Rove(?)saying Democrats wanted to offer the terrorists therapy and understanding. It only went downhill from there.

I hope the Obama camp has some big rocks to throw back at this shit,I am SO tired of this bullshit. I hope like hell it backfires,hard on these freaking classless freaks.

140 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:32:43am

re: #138 Lidane

The worst part of it is the "Film leads to a Muslim attack on the US" bit. That's an incredibly bigoted and irresponsible way to put it.

141 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:33:57am

Who even heard of this piece of crap film before the mobs started rioting?

142 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:33:57am

re: #140 Obdicut

The worst part of it is the "Film leads to a Muslim attack on the US" bit. That's an incredibly bigoted and irresponsible way to put it.

You've pretty much described Faux News and everything else Rupert Murdoch touches right there.

143 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:34:39am

re: #141 Learned Mother of Zion

Who even heard of this piece of crap film before the mobs started rioting?

That's what I'm wondering. It's like it came out of nowhere. WTF.

144 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:35:13am

re: #141 Learned Mother of Zion

Who even heard of this piece of crap film before the mobs started rioting?

My radio just said it has been out for a year and nobody went to see it.

145 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:37:20am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said it has been out for a year and nobody went to see it.

Out for a year WHERE? In U.S. theaters? On Netflix, HBO? What's the rating at RottenTomatoes?

146 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:37:47am

re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar

My radio just said it has been out for a year and nobody went to see it.

The NYT's Lede blog has a timeline about this film here:

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

WTF. Seriously. I don't get it at all.

147 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:38:11am

re: #146 Lidane

This really seems highly organized.

148 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:43:53am

I think it's really sad that in a world of 7 Billion people, you can get some of them stark raving mad about something that could have been greenscreened in a church's basement.

That goes for everyone.

149 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:59am

re: #146 Lidane

The NYT's Lede blog has a timeline about this film here:

[Link: thelede.blogs.nytimes.com...]

WTF. Seriously. I don't get it at all.

From the WSJ link in your link:
Mr. Bacile said he raised $5 million from about 100 Jewish donors, whom he declined to identify. Working with about 60 actors and 45 crew members, he said he made the two-hour movie in three months last year in California.

150 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:45:24am

re: #129 Learned Mother of Zion

[Embedded content]

Outreach!

151 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:32am

re: #147 Obdicut

where did it start? I'm late to this whole thing,but who the hell brought this up now when the film has reportedly been out for awhile? And shouldn't this moron in Gainesville,FL be held somewhat accountable if he's involved in this mess? I get the whole free speech aspect of this,but free speech never means there aren't consequences for what you say or do.

152 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:47:33am

re: #151 A Mom Anon

where did it start? I'm late to this whole thing,but who the hell brought this up now when the film has reportedly been out for awhile? And shouldn't this moron in Gainesville,FL be held somewhat accountable if he's involved in this mess? I get the whole free speech aspect of this,but free speech never means there aren't consequences for what you say or do.

They dubbed a 13 or 14 minute clip into Arabic and posted it on youtube.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:48:51am

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

They dubbed a 13 or 14 minute clip into Arabic and posted it on youtube.

A a 14-minute trailer for the English-language film, which was posted on YouTube in July, attracted little attention until last week, when a version dubbed into Arabic was posted on the same YouTube channel and then copied and viewed tens of thousands of times more.

154 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:39am

More outrage about Reince's incredibly stupid tweet:

155 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:44am

re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar

A a 14-minute trailer for the English-language film, which was posted on YouTube in July, attracted little attention until last week, when a version dubbed into Arabic was posted on the same YouTube channel and then copied and viewed tens of thousands of times more.

How did it go viral? Most times you post something to YouTube and it just sits there.

156 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:49am
.@sarahpalinusa Hey Bible Spice, zip it, no one pulled your string to talk.

— Gary Hussein Black (@txgdb) September 12, 2012

This

157 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:53am

re: #152 Cannadian Club Akbar

That Jones dipshit did that? The same guy with an Obama effigy hanging in front of his "church". The same guy who should lose his tax exempt status like forever ago? Or was it some other fucking hate monger?

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:50:53am

re: #155 Learned Mother of Zion

How did it go viral? Most times you post something to YouTube and it just sits there.

Jones might have followers who are to coward to admit they believe his bullshit.

159 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:42am

re: #157 A Mom Anon

That Jones dipshit did that? The same guy with an Obama effigy hanging in front of his "church". The same guy who should lose his tax exempt status like forever ago? Or was it some other fucking hate monger?

Same Jones, but it was another guy who made the movie.

160 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:46am

re: #155 Learned Mother of Zion

How did it go viral? Most times you post something to YouTube and it just sits there.

The only thing I can figure is that it was seeded and shared in places that would be so outraged by what they saw that they'd spread it like wildfire.

It feels really deliberate to me the more I think about it.

161 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:15am

re: #83 ggt

I love the cloud. It means that my documents are automatically backed up there and, more important, I can then access them on my iPad. Just as importantly it runs the other direction. Anything I do on my iPad is available on my Mac.

162 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:50am

BBL,the dog is standing DIRECTLY behind my chair,whining and sighing. Lol,that's a hint I'm thinking...

163 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:55am

re: #160 Lidane

The only thing I can figure is that it was seeded and shared in places that would be so outraged by what they saw that they'd spread it like wildfire.

It feels really deliberate to me the more I think about it.

Yes. Otherwise why spend the money to have it translated/overdubbed into Arabic.

164 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:23am

re: #161 Romantic Heretic

I love the cloud. It means that my documents are automatically backed up there and, more important, I can then access them on my iPad. Just as importantly it runs the other direction. Anything I do on my iPad is available on my Mac.

Speaking of which... new iPhone announcement today! I am psyched! Funny thing is I really hate Apple, yet still get excited by these things. :-/

165 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:38am

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

The claim of having raised the money for the film from "Jewish donors" is pretty suspect to me.

166 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:42am

re: #160 Lidane

The only thing I can figure is that it was seeded and shared in places that would be so outraged by what they saw that they'd spread it like wildfire.

It feels really deliberate to me the more I think about it.

Is it possible to track down and charge whoever did it?

167 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:30am

re: #163 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. Otherwise why spend the money to have it translated/overdubbed into Arabic.

And why get Terry Jones involved unless you want the notoriety in the Muslim world of having your film endorsed/supported by the guy who burned a Qu'ran?

It's definitely a provocation, and it's cost good people their lives.

168 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:32am
Wow.

Wow. RT @mckaycoppins Wow, @glennbeck inked a deal with Dish Network to bring his online network The Blaze TV to cable. nytimes.com/2012/09/12/bus…

— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 12, 2012

This is gonna be all kinds of fun.

Fortunately I don't have Dish Network.

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:58am

re: #165 Obdicut

The claim of having raised the money for the film from "Jewish donors" is pretty suspect to me.

Could it be fundamentalist Jews? That's the only thing I can think of.

170 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:55:25am

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Could it be fundamentalist Jews? That's the only thing I can think of.

I doubt it.

171 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:55:37am

re: #164 Mocking Jay

Speaking of which... new iPhone announcement today! I am psyched! Funny thing is I really hate Apple, yet still get excited by these things. :-/

You really need a hobby, or a blow up doll, or...
////

172 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:56:31am

re: #166 Learned Mother of Zion

Is it possible to track down and charge whoever did it?

I have no idea. I'd be curious to see what the law is for something like this.

173 Bulworth  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:56:40am
This is rather annoying. Updings for everyone@!!@!

True. I had many updings to give.

174 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:56:45am

And without seeing the movie, I SERIOUSLY doubt it took $5 mil to make.

175 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:12am

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

Could it be fundamentalist Jews? That's the only thing I can think of.

I really doubt it. It sounds like just something you'd make up if you wanted to provoke a strong reaction from radical Muslims in the Middle East.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:32am

re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar

And without seeing the movie, I SERIOUSLY doubt it took $5 mil to make.

Although the "above the line" cost could have been high. (director/producers paying themselves)

177 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:00:01am

Erick, Son of Erick is bleating again:

It's a bit late for that, no? Also:

Didn't Romney HQ just call foreign policy a distraction? I really wish these people would pick a narrative and stick with it.

178 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:01:54am

Morning all!

How goes it?

179 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:02:53am

re: #178 ggt

Morning all!

How goes it?

I haven't finished my coffee yet.

180 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:03:44am

re: #140 Obdicut

The worst part of it is the "Film leads to a Muslim attack on the US" bit. That's an incredibly bigoted and irresponsible way to put it.

It does not help that a lot of Muslim nations have no tradition of Free Speech: a lot of uneducated people there assume that anything that is published must have the approval of the government.

A lot of educated people there know that is not the case, but go along with it to incite the masses.

181 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:03:49am

So, now that Mountain Lion is installed, my scroll function is backwards. How do I fix it?

182 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:04:30am

re: #165 Obdicut

The claim of having raised the money for the film from "Jewish donors" is pretty suspect to me.

What says Pamela G.?

183 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:22am

re: #181 ggt

So, now that Mountain Lion is installed, my scroll function is backwards. How do I fix it?

What do you mean your scroll function is backwards? Do you mean it is on the left side? or it scrolls up when you want it to go down? (like a touch screen)

184 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:32am

The leadership of the Republican Party has been a fucking disgrace the last 24 hours. Get your shit together. This is shameful.

185 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:46am

re: #183 Learned Mother of Zion

What do you mean your scroll function is backwards? Do you mean it is on the left side? or it scrolls up when you want it to go down? (like a touch screen)

The second one!

Also, i had to make my new external drive the default for iPhoto --now it seems to think it is the only drive.

I can't find the internal drivein "Finder".

186 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:06:26am

re: #182 Decatur Deb

What says Pamela G.?

"Get me another Vodka".
heh.

187 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:06:34am

re: #185 ggt

The second one!

Yeah, Lion changes that by default.

188 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:07:00am

re: #184 Mocking Jay

The leadership of the Republican Party has been a fucking disgrace the last 24 hours. Get your shit together. This is shameful.

FTFY

189 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:07:02am

re: #185 ggt

The second one!

That's a feature to make it swipe like a touch screen. Very disorienting if you're using a standard keyboard and mouse.

190 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:07:26am

re: #189 Learned Mother of Zion

That's a feature to make it swipe like a touch screen. Very disorienting if you're using a standard keyboard and mouse.

YEAH, I AM. and it is pissing me off.

191 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:11:12am

re: #190 ggt

[Link: howto.cnet.com...]

192 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:14:13am

Keep it up, scumbags.

193 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:17:34am

Damn, they killed the ambassador. Fuck.

194 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:19:58am

re: #193 Killgore Trout

They killed three other members of the ambassadorial staff, too. And since it was revolutionary militiamen, it undercuts the Arab spring.

It may be that this is just a social media phenomenon, but I really think someone is getting the reactions that they wanted.

195 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:20:14am

re: #192 Mocking Jay

Keep it up, scumbags.

[Embedded content]

You know Newt, we aren't the baddest kid on the block anymore. Get over it.

196 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:22:36am

re: #191 Mocking Jay

[Link: howto.cnet.com...]

YOU are a wonderful person.

Fixed!

197 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:22:50am

re: #194 Obdicut

They killed three other members of the ambassadorial staff, too. And since it was anti-Assad militiamen, it undercuts actions being taken against Assad's regime.

It may be that this is just a social media phenomenon, but I really think someone is getting the reactions that they wanted.

Huh? This was in Libya. What do anti-Assad militiamen have to do with it?

198 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:24:08am

re: #191 Mocking Jay

[Link: howto.cnet.com...]

ok, where is the page for telling my computer my internal drive still exists?

199 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:24:42am

re: #197 Mocking Jay

Huh? This was in Libya. What do anti-Assad militiamen have to do with it?

I mean I haven't had coffee yet.

200 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:25:04am

re: #199 Obdicut

I mean I haven't had coffee yet.

I knew that!

201 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:25:33am

re: #199 Obdicut

I mean I haven't had coffee yet.

Good answer.

202 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:26:15am

re: #198 ggt

ok, where is the page for telling my computer my internal drive still exists?

Eh... I dunno.

203 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:26:21am

re: #197 Mocking Jay

Fixed. What I mean is that these attacks, in Egypt and in Libya are coming from militiamen who also participated in the revolutions that overthrew dictators.

204 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:26:49am

re: #203 Obdicut

Fixed. What I mean is that these attacks, in Egypt and in Libya are coming from militiamen who also participated in the revolutions that overthrew dictators.

Better.

205 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:28:10am

re: #203 Obdicut

Fixed. What I mean is that these attacks, in Egypt and in Libya are coming from militiamen who also participated in the revolutions that overthrew dictators.

And now I want to hear wingnuts that we'd be better off with Gaddafi alive since he wouldn't have let something like this happen.

206 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:29:48am

re: #203 Obdicut

Fixed. What I mean is that these attacks, in Egypt and in Libya are coming from militiamen who also participated in the revolutions that overthrew dictators.

Although the attackers are Islamists and probably anti-Q'Daffy it looks like the Libyan government is going to try to blame pro-Q'Daffy supporters...
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]

11.57 Reuters are reporting that a senior Libyan official has blamed the attack on supporters of the former Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi, who was killed last October by rebel fighters.

Deputy Interior Minister Wanis al-Sharif said the attackers had used rocket-propelled grenades.

"There were RPGs...which shows there were forces exploiting this. They are remnants of the (former) regime," he said.

He reportedly suggested that the attackers could have acted in revenge for the extradition from Mauritania this month of Gaddafi's former intelligence chief Abdullah al-Senoussi.

207 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:29:51am

re: #205 Mocking Jay

And now I want to hear wingnuts that we'd be better off with Gaddafi alive since he wouldn't have let something like this happen.

Ironically, our resident moonbat is actually making that argument. Proving something, I guess.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

208 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:30:03am

Am I missing something? I don't even understand these comments about Egypt wrt how they relate to Libya. I mean, the countries border each other. Is that it?

209 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:30:56am

re: #206 Killgore Trout

It's possible, I guess, but I doubt it. And saying that since they had RPGs they're part of the ex-regime is kind of ridiculous.

210 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:31:40am

re: #208 ReamWorks SKG

Our embassy in Egypt was attacked, and our ambassador in Libya and three of his staff were killed, in related protests over this movie.

211 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:33:04am
212 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:33:25am

re: #210 Obdicut

Ok! Now I need to read the news this morning. I thought we were attacked in Libya! Hang on while I read! BRB!

213 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:35:42am

re: #209 Obdicut

It's possible, I guess, but I doubt it. And saying that since they had RPGs they're part of the ex-regime is kind of ridiculous.

An RPG is the 13th birthday gift of choice.

214 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:35:50am

Picture of the ambassador nearly dead going around on fb with the caption "These people are evil."

What does it mean that I am more offended by the caption than by the horrific photo?

215 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:35:51am

Drudge has a headline that says the corpse was paraded around. Link didn't load for me.

216 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:36:21am
217 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:36:56am

Good morning lizards!

I just heard about the 4 Americans killed in Libya last night. That is outrageous. Who did it and how did they get away?

218 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:37:12am

This is really sad. These countries are doing a delicate dance on a knife's edge. It is idiotic that militias and mobs use films and other episodes of free speech to justify these tragedies. I think it is also important to remember that free speech has consequences. Not every culture nor every country has a tradition of free speech. In many instances the sword is the arbiter of right and wrong. This is antiquated, and wrong, but in a culture that has been repressed by force for so long it is not unexpected. It behooves those of us in the West to remember that there are Westerner's that do our work in harms way each and every day. We should not be so callous with our free speech in ways which put them in danger. Of course we have the right to free speech. But we should not be that shocked when our speech is met with violence in other parts of the world that don't have the same traditions. In my opinion the film makers here cannot claim that they did not view this reaction as a distinct possibility or even likely. We know from recent experience that it is more likely than not given the nature of this film.

219 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:37:17am

re: #212 ReamWorks SKG

Ok! Now I need to read the news this morning. I thought we were attacked in Libya! Hang on while I read! BRB!

We were. Two separate incidents.

220 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:38:47am
221 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:42:15am

US embassies in Algeria, Tunisia warn of protests
[Link: hosted.ap.org...]

222 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:43:22am
223 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:44:53am

Fox News' president elect is about to speak on it. I suspect he will have heard the message to not throw daggers at Obama on this one.....Make up for last night.

224 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:46:31am

re: #223 Petero1818

Fox News' president elect is about to speak on it. I suspect he will have heard the message to not throw daggers at Obama on this one.....Make up for last night.

Who is this?

225 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:47:28am

re: #224 Cannadian Club Akbar

Romney

226 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:47:43am

Beyond the pale.

Romney Adviser: Obama’s Foreign Policy Led To Tuesday’s Attacks

Rich Williamson, a top foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, blamed President Obama's policies in the Middle East for the violence that broke out in Egypt and Libya Tuesday in an interview with Foreign Policy late Tuesday. The interview came before reports that Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, had been killed in the attacks.

"It's all part of a broader scheme of the president's failure to be an effective leader for U.S. interests in the Middle East," Williamson said.

227 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:48:06am

So the GOP default position has been to attack Obama for events beyond his control without offering up any kind of alternative policy other than - attack Obama. That's quite the foreign policy tact to take.

That will surely avoid these kinds of situations going forward.

It wont, of course. Protests/rioters/militias carried out attacks against US embassies and we've now got a dead Ambassador and several others in Libya. Who was behind the attack? The Libyan government is blaming pro-Khadafi loyalists who are annoyed at a deportation of a former government official, but it's also linked to the release of a film (or more accurately film clips) that appear to denigrate the name of the prophet Mohammad and Islam. As we've seen with the cartoon jihad, it doesn't take much to get rioters to go and torch embassies and murder scores of people in the name of religious intolerance.

There are those fanning the flames of such violence. They include people like Terry Jones, who is among those who produce such statements and anti-Islam sentiment, and the mullahs who whip up their followers into a frenzy even as most people who are protesting/rioting have never even seen the supposedly derogatory film clips. It doesn't even matter - the rumor is enough to get things going into a downward spiral.

The outcome confirms the already existing biases of the likes of Jones and his ilk, as well as the mullahs. It adds to the suspicions on both sides and trying to get ahead of the situation wont be easy for anyone - whether it's government officials in foreign countries, or the US Obama Administration.

We are, after all, talking about private citizens (Jones) engaging in free speech even though it could cross the line into hate speech, but it also goes to religious intolerance and rioting in the name of defending against blasphemy.

That I think that G-d or Allah or whatever supreme being needs defending by murdering those who offend suggests a rather insecure and petty deity is besides the point. There are people - millions of them - who do and will act upon those beliefs. And that's the problem.

228 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:48:20am

re: #226 Mocking Jay

And my question would be "How?"

229 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:49:05am

re: #228 Obdicut

And my question would be "How?"

Because!!!!!!11ty

230 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:49:25am

re: #226 Mocking Jay

Beyond the pale.

Romney Adviser: Obama’s Foreign Policy Led To Tuesday’s Attacks

Rich Williamson, a top foreign policy adviser to Mitt Romney, blamed President Obama's policies in the Middle East for the violence that broke out in Egypt and Libya Tuesday in an interview with Foreign Policy late Tuesday. The interview came before reports that Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Chris Stevens, had been killed in the attacks.

"It's all part of a broader scheme of the president's failure to be an effective leader for U.S. interests in the Middle East," Williamson said.

They should cite with specific examples what aspects of the foreign policy they disagree with and how President Romney would have dealt with it differently. Let Americans decide whose approach better protected American lives and interests.

231 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:14am

He can do all his apologies now - and for what purpose? The base has been stirred and that was the goal in the first place. The rest is minor damage control and other clean-up in order to appear interested in truth and moral behavior. (Morel Behavior is more appropriate - generate a ton of crap and then live well off the rotting matter.)

232 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:19am

re: #226 Mocking Jay

Beyond the pale.

Romney Adviser: Obama’s Foreign Policy Led To Tuesday’s Attacks

I dream of living in a political climate where such a person would be immediately and publicly fired, since the alternative would be a functional electoral forfeit.

233 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:25am

The Romney campaign is just stumbling around like a drunk fratboy.

234 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:52:32am

re: #223 Petero1818

Fox News' president elect is about to speak on it. I suspect he will have heard the message to not throw daggers at Obama on this one.....Make up for last night.

So Romney finally got a 3am phone call, and it was Richard Murdoch saying, "Get your ass down to one of my studios first thing tomorrow morning and don't be a fucking asshole in front of the camera."

235 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:52:36am

re: #233 Mocking Jay

The Romney campaign is just stumbling around like a drunk fratboy.

Excellent analogy!

236 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:53:02am

re: #231 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Morel behavior...I like that...can I steal it?

237 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:54:01am

Mornin' everyone. Went to bed last night angry about Romney's attack on the president, and woke up still pissed. Will need to give the dogs a long run today.

238 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:54:17am

First of all:

239 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:54:22am

Here is the guy who made that film...

Sam Bacile, Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Movie that Sparked Riots, in Hiding

(AP) LOS ANGELES — An Israeli filmmaker went into hiding Tuesday after his movie attacking Islam's prophet Muhammad sparked angry assaults by ultra-conservative Muslims on U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya.

Speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, writer and director remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Protesters angered over Bacile's film opened fire on and burned down the U.S. consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi. In Egypt, protesters scaled the walls of the U.S. embassy in Cairo and replaced an American flag with an Islamic banner.

Bacile, a California real estate developer who identifies himself as an Israeli Jew, said he believes the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

240 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:54:51am

Second:

Are you fucking kidding me?

241 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:54:54am

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the guy who made that film...

Sam Bacile, Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Movie that Sparked Riots, in Hiding

What an asshat.

242 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:56:19am
243 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:56:28am

Anything to win. Pathetic.

244 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:56:46am

re: #241 Learned Mother of Zion

What an asshat.

I won't condone death threats against someone for making a film, but let's remember that this is exactly what he wanted.

245 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:57:55am
246 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:57:58am

re: #244 Mocking Jay

I won't condone death threats against someone for making a film, but let's remember that this is exactly what he wanted.

People have already been killed over this shitty movie, is that exactly what he wanted?

247 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:58:00am

re: #244 Mocking Jay

I won't condone death threats against someone for making a film, but let's remember that this is exactly what he wanted.

Then he goes into hiding like a little pussy to let others take the fall for his shit. Fuck him.

248 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:58:09am

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the guy who made that film...

Sam Bacile, Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Movie that Sparked Riots, in Hiding

You ranted crazy inflammatory shit and got innocent third parties killed for it!

Flawless Victory!

249 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:58:58am

Later all, the dogs have gone back to bed. Since they got ME up at the crack-of-dawn's-butt --I'm going to back to sleep as well.

Have a good one!

250 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:59:07am

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the guy who made that film...

Sam Bacile, Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Movie that Sparked Riots, in Hiding

Speaking by phone from an undisclosed location, writer and director remained defiant, saying Islam is a cancer and that the 56-year-old intended his film to be a provocative political statement condemning the religion.

Boy I can't imagine why anything like that would upset people....///

251 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:59:59am

re: #246 Learned Mother of Zion

People have already been killed over this shitty movie, is that exactly what he wanted?

One might assume so, unless he's abysmally stupid.

252 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:00:13am

re: #241 Learned Mother of Zion

What an asshat.

The film was dubbed into Egyptian Arabic by someone Bacile doesn't know, but he speaks enough Arabic to confirm that the translation is accurate. It was made in three months in the summer of 2011, with 59 actors and about 45 people behind the camera.

The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.

It's been on YouTube since July. Funny how the outrage didn't happen until yesterday. I am thinking al-Qaeda or Iran set this up just for the the 9-11 anniversary.

253 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:00:15am

re: #246 Learned Mother of Zion

People have already been killed over this shitty movie, is that exactly what he wanted?

That's exactly what he wanted...this idea:

the movie will help his native land by exposing Islam's flaws to the world.

is pure bullshit. I suspect Israel will also be putting out statements condemning this film.

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:00:59am

re: #252 NJDhockeyfan

It's been on YouTube since July. Funny how the outrage didn't happen until yesterday. I am thinking al-Qaeda or Iran set this up just for the the 9-11 anniversary.

They put out a version in Arabic last week.

255 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:01:48am

re: #246 Learned Mother of Zion

People have already been killed over this shitty movie, is that exactly what he wanted?

Yes I believe it is exactly what he hoped for. The act is self fulfilling. Angry crowds of extremists killing Americans in the name of religion is a good way for him to attract followers to his cause.

256 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:01:49am

re: #246 Learned Mother of Zion

People have already been killed over this shitty movie, is that exactly what he wanted?

Now I'm really, really hoping that he didn't just find a bunch of Kahanist types to raise money from. Fuck. He might have. That might not actually just be a Jew-bashing rumor.

257 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:02:18am

US consulate attack in Libya: unrepentant film-maker goes into hiding

The man behind the video that sparked deadly protests in Libya goes by the name of Sam Bacile, and describes himself as a property developer in his fifties.
...

Bacile said the film was produced in English and he doesn't know who dubbed it in Arabic. The full work has been shown once, to a mostly empty cinema in Hollywood earlier this year, he said.

A scene from the film - which uses very basic production techniques and stilted dialogue - was also was broadcast on the Egyptian television channel Al-Nas.
....
For several days, Egyptian media have been reporting on the video, playing some excerpts from it and blaming Sadek for it, with ultraconservative clerics going on air to denounce it.

It seems the film has been around a while. It was completed about and screened somewhere in CA about a year ago. Terry Jones had little or nothing to do with it. It seems it was promoted and probably translated by Al Nas which appears to be an Islamist Egyptian channel.

258 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:03:10am

Oh, Clinton started early.

259 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:03:38am

re: #252 NJDhockeyfan

It's been on YouTube since July. Funny how the outrage didn't happen until yesterday. I am thinking al-Qaeda or Iran set this up just for the the 9-11 anniversary.

Don't be an idiot. Terry Jones has been trying to get the film attention recently, and it was Christians who baited the Egyptians with it.

Organizers of the Egyptian protest said they'd begun planning the event last week when a controversial Egyptian Christian activist who lives in the United States, Morris Sadek, released a trailer for Muhammad.

The 14-minute clip, which Sadek first posted on his Facebook page Sept. 5, attacked basic tenets of Islam and suggested that the religion had spread only because the prophet told those he encountered to "pay extortion or die" if they didn't convert.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

260 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:04:08am

re: #253 darthstar

That's exactly what he wanted...this idea:

is pure bullshit. I suspect Israel will also be putting out statements condemning this film.

I don't know about the government but some religious leaders have started:

AN Orthodox Israeli rabbi and former cabinet minister have condemned as "garbage and slime" a film deemed offensive to Islam that has sparked deadly anti-US protests in Libya and Egypt.

"Although freedom of expression and the right to use satire are sacred democratic principles, these freedoms should not be used as an excuse to publish garbage and slime," Michael Melchior, a long-standing advocate of inter-faith dialogue, wrote in a statement on Wednesday.

"The film of Sam Bacile, who identifies himself as a Jew and an Israeli, published under the guise of the 'war on terror', is in fact a film that tramples upon the faith and dignity of hundreds of millions of Muslim believers and upon Mohammed, the prophet of Islam, in the most degrading and ugly way," he added.

261 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:05:18am

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the guy who made that film...

Sam Bacile, Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Movie that Sparked Riots, in Hiding

From the very end of the article...

The full film has been shown once, to a mostly empty theater in Hollywood earlier this year, said Bacile.

Like the cartoon jihad this is not a spontaneous event. It took months for the islamists to work up the ummah into a lather.

262 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:05:25am

re: #257 Killgore Trout

The problem is that there are lots of different groups who want situations like this. The filmmaker himself obviously wants people to percieve Islam as violent and terrible. The Islamacists want to whip people up into a frenzy over blasphemy. All the political groups in the ME can use the attacks in one way or another, either blaming them on their enemies to try to get the US on their side, or taking credit to try to get anti-US interests on their side. The GOP is disgustingly crowing about this. Anti-muslim fanatics are happy as clams.

263 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:05:26am

...

264 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:06:10am

...

265 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:06:20am

re: #259 darthstar

Don't be an idiot. Terry Jones has been trying to get the film attention recently, and it was Christians who baited the Egyptians with it.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Why wait until September 11th to riot and kill Americans?

266 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:06:32am

re: #260 Petero1818

Is the GOP going to accuse Israel's policies of encouraging the problem, then? They're condemning the film even more vociferously than our embassy did.

267 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:06:43am

Hm...twitter isn't posting now.

Clinton statement:
"This was an attack by a small and savage group. Not the people or government of Lybia" -- Hillary Clinton #important

268 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:07:24am

re: #259 darthstar

Don't be an idiot. Terry Jones has been trying to get the film attention recently, and it was Christians who baited the Egyptians with it.

[Link: www.tampabay.com...]

Sounds like a strategy I learned to avoid when I was seven: Let's you and him fight.

269 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:07:25am

re: #265 NJDhockeyfan

Why wait until September 11th to riot and kill Americans?

You sound like Mitt Romney now. Stop before I really start to believe you're retarded.

270 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:09:25am

I have a film I want to get out there. It is a documentary called "Christ" about how Christianity is the festering, puss filled lesion on the face of the United States. All bad in the world emanates from this bastardization of a religion. Everything these Christians touch turns to violence and shit. It is a "religion" that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth for the sake of humanity.

Wonder how it would play in Peoria?

271 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:09:31am

re: #266 Obdicut

Is the GOP going to accuse Israel's policies of encouraging the problem, then? They're condemning the film even more vociferously than our embassy did.

Well, again this is not the govt. statement. But the reality is that there are many in Israel that are more progressive that the GOP even on the topic of the Arab Israeli conflict. Debate over Israeli policy towards the conflict is far more lively inside Israel than outside Israel.

272 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:09:59am

re: #270 RayFerd

I have a film I want to get out there. It is a documentary called "Christ" about how Christianity is the festering, puss filled lesion on the face of the United States. All bad in the world emanates from this bastardization of a religion. Everything these Christians touch turns to violence and shit. It is a "religion" that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth for the sake of humanity.

Wonder how it would play in Peoria?

The kids will love it.

273 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:10:04am

re: #261 Killgore Trout

From the very end of the article...

Like the cartoon jihad this is not a spontaneous event. It took months for the islamists to work up the ummah into a lather.

He was warned.

A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm.

Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that “you’re going to be the next Theo van Gogh.” Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

“We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen,” Klein said.

274 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:10:53am

re: #256 Obdicut

Now I'm really, really hoping that he didn't just find a bunch of Kahanist types to raise money from. Fuck. He might have. That might not actually just be a Jew-bashing rumor.

Kahanist types who actually have money (they are few and far between) prefer to spend their money to build settlements (like Irving Moskowitz), not on shit like this.

275 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:10:55am

re: #270 RayFerd

I have a film I want to get out there. It is a documentary called "Christ" about how Christianity is the festering, puss filled lesion on the face of the United States. All bad in the world emanates from this bastardization of a religion. Everything these Christians touch turns to violence and shit. It is a "religion" that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth for the sake of humanity.

Wonder how it would play in Peoria?

Who's starring? Is there sex and graphic violence? Explosions?

276 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:11:19am

Clinton will speak soon, and will then join Obama for remarks about
10:35. If you want to watch the remarks live:

State will be [Link: www.state.gov...]
White House will be [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

277 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:11:54am

re: #270 RayFerd

I have a film I want to get out there. It is a documentary called "Christ" about how Christianity is the festering, puss filled lesion on the face of the United States. All bad in the world emanates from this bastardization of a religion. Everything these Christians touch turns to violence and shit. It is a "religion" that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth for the sake of humanity.

Wonder how it would play in Peoria?

Hitchens and Dawkins made a career out of it.

278 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:03am

re: #273 NJDhockeyfan

Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that “you’re going to be the next Theo van Gogh.” Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam.

Bad enough for dumbshit #1 to get killed by dumbshit #2 for insulting dumbshit #2's views.

This guy pissed off people on the other side of the world and then went to ground knowing that he'd gotten four innocent people killed.

I've wiped better things off of my shoe.

279 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:15am

Time to go run the dogs. Try not to resolve this before I get back.

280 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:34am

re: #276 kirkspencer

Clinton will speak soon, and will then join Obama for remarks about
10:35. If you want to watch the remarks live:

State will be [Link: www.state.gov...]
White House will be [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

Clinton just finished.

281 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:55am

re: #274 Learned Mother of Zion

Kahanist types who actually have money (they are few and far between) prefer to spend their money to build settlements (like Irving Moskowitz), not on shit like this.

I hope so. Not that it really matters, I mean, whoever funded it was just a bunch of assholes. It's bad enough the director is actually Jewish.

I completely support his right to free speech in making something like this, but goddamn, what a fucking idiot. Putting lives in danger, including Jewish, Israeli lives.

282 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:13:12am

re: #270 RayFerd

I have a film I want to get out there. It is a documentary called "Christ" about how Christianity is the festering, puss filled lesion on the face of the United States. All bad in the world emanates from this bastardization of a religion. Everything these Christians touch turns to violence and shit. It is a "religion" that needs to be wiped off the face of the earth for the sake of humanity.

Wonder how it would play in Peoria?

I kind of remember Scorsese made a film that Catholics didn't like ("Last Temptation of Christ"), there were some angry letters to the editor, some sporadic picketing of theaters but nobody was killed. The movie sucked BTW.

I also remember when "Life of Brian" first came out I thought to myself "That's so offensive" but once I saw it, it's like one of the greatest comedies of all time.

283 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:13:31am

re: #277 Killgore Trout

Hitchens and Dawkins made a career out of it.

Dawkin's career was being a brilliant and groundbreaking biologist who rewrote the way we think about the units of evolution. Being anti-religion was a complete side project, not his career.

And they didn't single out Christianity, but criticized all religion. So, no, your statement is a complete failure.

284 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:14:51am

re: #282 Learned Mother of Zion

I kind of remember Scorsese made a film that Catholics didn't like ("Last Temptation of Christ"), there were some angry letters to the editor, some sporadic picketing of theaters but nobody was killed. The movie sucked BTW.

I also remember when "Life of Brian" first came out I thought to myself "That's so offensive" but once I saw it, it's like one of the greatest comedies of all time.

Broke Bill Donohue's heart.

285 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:15:24am

re: #284 Decatur Deb

Broke Bill Donohue's heart.

"Last Temptation," "Life of Brian" or "South Park"?

286 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:16:00am

re: #285 Learned Mother of Zion

"Last Temptation," "Life of Brian" or "South Park"?

d) All of the above.

287 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:16:08am

re: #282 Learned Mother of Zion

The Pythons liked that movie much better than the Holy Grail one, and got slightly miffed that the majority of their fans had the opposite view.

For Christians rioting and attacking people, you've got to go to places like India and Thailand.

288 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:16:20am

Mitt Romney speaking...

289 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:18:01am

re: #287 Obdicut

The Pythons liked that movie much better than the Holy Grail one, and got slightly miffed that the majority of their fans had the opposite view.

For Christians rioting and attacking people, you've got to go to places like India and Thailand.

My only complaint about "Life of Brian" is that Mel Brooks did not get to make it first.

290 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:18:25am

Attacking the administration again...

291 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:18:31am

re: #282 Learned Mother of Zion

"Life's a piece of shit when you look at it...."

292 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:18:48am

What a fuckbag.

293 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:19:05am

Remembrance of another person killed in Benghazi at the US embassy

So: Vile Rat, Sean Smith, my friend for over six years, both in real life and in internet spaceships, was the “State Department Official” killed in Benghazi by a mob of religious lunatics, who had been incited to violence on this September 11th by a movie that was apparently made sometime in July. Obviously, given the combined attacks in Egypt and in Libya, this was a coordinated act designed for maximum media exposure; rile up a mob, point them at an embassy or consulate on 9/11 in particular, aim for the press. Many were injured in these pointless, reprehensible acts, and one of my closest friends was killed as a result.

(12:54:09 PM) vile_rat: assuming we don't die tonight. We saw one of our 'police' that guard the compound taking pictures

We knew that Vile Rat was in Benghazi; he told us. He commented on how they use guns to celebrate weddings and how there was a constant susurrus of weaponry in the background. He was in situ to provide IT services for the consulate, which meant he was on the net all the time, hanging out with us on Jabber as usual and talking about internet spaceship games.

Married father of two also killed in the attack

294 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:19:37am
295 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:19:53am

re: #274 Learned Mother of Zion

Kahanist types who actually have money (they are few and far between) prefer to spend their money to build settlements (like Irving Moskowitz), not on shit like this.

Regrettably I have no doubt he could have financed this with Jewish money. On a daily basis I receive group emails that are bigoted and hateful towards Muslims. I am on these lists primarily because I am involved in Jewish and or Israeli charities. There is no shortage of Jews in the Diaspora that are increasingly willing to read, and spread vile disgusting thoughts about Islam and Muslims. It is heartbreaking to me and it is something I fight about on a daily basis with people. The bigger issue is that even those that disagree are often silent. In Canada, I have attended many UJA events in the last year or so. Daniel Pipes and Jon Voight are two recent speakers. The fact that some affluent Jews in Canada are watching and applauding these jokers is sad to me.

296 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:20:46am

Am I imagining a time when candidates didn't criticize foreign policy decisions as they were happening?

297 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:20:55am

re: #289 Learned Mother of Zion

My only complaint about "Life of Brian" is that Mel Brooks did not get to make it first.

That is perhaps the most offensive statement I have ever heard you make.

298 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:21:42am

Wow. This conference is really enlightening.

299 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:22:02am

re: #297 Petero1818

That is perhaps the most offensive statement I have ever heard you make.

Dude, Mel Brooks kicks ass.

300 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:24:49am

re: #296 Mocking Jay

Am I imagining a time when candidates didn't criticize foreign policy decisions as they were happening?

I'm pretty sure we still live in a time when good and decent and qualified candidates don't criticize foreign policy decisions as they are happening.

I know that doesn't quite answer your question.

301 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:25:20am

re: #299 Learned Mother of Zion

Dude, Mel Brooks kicks ass.

Mel Brooks made good movies. The only problematic scenes are the ones that include Mel Brooks.

302 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:25:27am

re: #300 erik_t

I'm pretty sure we still live in a time when good and decent and qualified candidates don't criticize foreign policy decisions as they are happening.

I know that doesn't quite answer your question.

Oh no, I totally get where you're coming from.

303 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:26:20am

re: #275 Decatur Deb

Who's starring? Is there sex and graphic violence? Explosions?

Oh, there will be blood!

- Pinhead I think

304 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:07am

It didn't take long for this to happen.

French mosque desecrated by human excrement

A mosque in the French city of Limoges has been desecrated by having human excrement smeared on its doors, Interior Minister Manuel Valls said Wednesday in a statement condemning the incident.

The attack occurred overnight following reports of mob violence in Egypt and Libya involving Islamists angered by a US-made film said to insult the Prophet Mohammed. (AFP)

I have a bad feeling about this.

305 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:28am
306 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:54am

Foreign policy isn't important - until you can use it as an attack on the incumbant.

I look forward to seeing a couple of friends in a few weeks. I want to see where they sit in the political trenches now that it's down to Romney and Obama. They're "independents", but I also think they have enough brains and education to realize that Romney and the GOP are not acting, or going to act, in the interests of their jobs or children.

So I expect to hear low-level support for Obama, a myriad of stupid excuses for supporting Romney, or some sort of "a pox on both their houses" spiel to justify sitting things out. They aren't Paulites, so I don't expect to hear any of that goofiness.

307 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:30:33am

re: #299 Learned Mother of Zion

Dude, Mel Brooks kicks ass.

I LOVE Mel Brooks. But Life of Brian is for me perhaps the greatest comedy ever made, and in my opinion to suggest someone else other than MP could have done it better is blasphemy. Not I am going storm your embassy type blasphemy, but pretty bad.

308 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:30:51am
309 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:30:59am

re: #240 Mocking Jay

Second:

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Are you fucking kidding me?

Why would that be kidding? You don't want your party base present at a press conference. They might decide a question is overly hostile and start yelling at the reporter who asked it, which would not look good.

BTW, this applies to both parties, for right or wrong. Even if your base was right in razing a reporter from Fox News, it would not look good for them to do so.

310 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:31:41am

re: #307 Petero1818

I LOVE Mel Brooks. But Life of Brian is for me perhaps the greatest comedy ever made, and in my opinion to suggest someone else other than MP could have done it better is blasphemy. Not I am going storm your embassy type blasphemy, but pretty bad.

Life of Brian is the SECOND greatest comedy ever made. Blazing Saddles is the greatest by a thousand miles.

311 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:32:35am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Why would that be kidding? You don't want your party base present at a press conference. They might decide a question is overly hostile and start yelling at the reporter who asked it, which would not look good.

BTW, this applies to both parties, for right or wrong. Even if your base was right in razing a reporter from Fox News, it would not look good for them to do so.

No, what I was responding to was the idea of him holding a press conference at all. Because I knew he was going to turn it into a bullshit political moment.

Which he just did.

312 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:38am

re: #220 Mocking Jay

About now: [Link: www.whitehouse.gov...]

313 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:34:30am

re: #310 Learned Mother of Zion

Life of Brian is the SECOND greatest comedy ever made. Blazing Saddles is the greatest by a thousand miles.

On this we will never agree.....I wish we could all just get along.

314 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:34:48am
315 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:04am

re: #309 Dark_Falcon

Why would that be kidding? You don't want your party base present at a press conference. They might decide a question is overly hostile and start yelling at the reporter who asked it, which would not look good.

BTW, this applies to both parties, for right or wrong. Even if your base was right in razing a reporter from Fox News, it would not look good for them to do so.

I've only seen one party's base go hog-wild on insane foreign policy craziness, joking about nuking Iran or booing gay soldiers or things like that.

316 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:06am

"razing a reporter" ? Odd word choice there.

BTW, quote, reply, and dingers broken in IE8 now. And like others this is on a locked down work laptop that I do not have admin privileges on. Should see if I can sneak Firefox or Chrome in...

317 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:14am

re: #313 Petero1818

On this we will never agree.....I wish we could all just get along.

She's right. Blazing Saddles was one of the funniest movies ever, and it still managed to say something important about race.

318 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:23am

re: #310 Learned Mother of Zion

Life of Brian is the SECOND greatest comedy ever made. Blazing Saddles is the greatest by a thousand miles.

I love both movies, but i'd take most MST3K episodes over either of them.

319 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:40am

re: #314 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

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RINO!!!

320 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:30am

re: #317 Mocking Jay

She's right. Blazing Saddles was one of the funniest movies ever, and it still managed to say something important about race.

I love blazing saddles. My disagreement is only over that it was better than Life of Brian.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:33am
322 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:37am

"Tone" is the word of the day.

323 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:48am

re: #320 Petero1818

I love blazing saddles. My disagreement is only over that it was better than Life of Brian.

MEL BROOKS

324 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:37:04am

re: #320 Petero1818

I love blazing saddles. My disagreement is only over that it was better than Life of Brian.

That's fine. You have every right to be wrong...

325 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:37:21am

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

Interesting. Hope it gets some traction, and some coverage.

326 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:37:25am

Well, we live in a weird world where I now find myself praising Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.

and

Mitch McConnell following in the footsteps of John Boehner and Eric Cantor: "We will stand united in our response," he says on the senate floor.

327 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:07am

re: #324 Mocking Jay

That's fine. You have every right to be wrong...

As long as I don't have to go into hiding.

328 wheat-dogg  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:24am

Waiting on press conference to start ...

329 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:26am

re: #326 erik_t

Well, we live in a weird world where I now find myself praising Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.

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and

Nah, it's just a demonstration of how far out of line the Rominee is in this instance.

330 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:39am

re: #326 erik_t

Well, we live in a weird world where I now find myself praising Eric Cantor and John Boehner and Mitch McConnell.

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and

It says something when even the party leadership realizes its crass for their candidate to be slamming the president over a pile of bullshit.

331 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:43am

re: #313 Petero1818

On this we will never agree.....I wish we could all just get along.

That's right. We all know that Airplane is the greatest comedy. /

332 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:44am

re: #320 Petero1818

I love blazing saddles. My disagreement is only over that it was better than Life of Brian.

Gene Wilder
Cleavon Little
Madeleine Kahn
Harvey Korman
Slim Pickens
Dom Deluise
Pie Fight finale

333 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:56am
334 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:15am

re: #332 Learned Mother of Zion

"I'm parked over by the commissary".

335 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:16am

re: #332 Learned Mother of Zion

Gene Wilder
Cleavon Little
Madeleine Kahn
Harvey Korman
Slim Pickens
Dom Deluise
Pie Fight finale

Punching a horse!

336 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:29am

re: #317 Mocking Jay

She's right. Blazing Saddles was one of the funniest movies ever, and it still managed to say something important about race.

I didn't know anything about Blazing Saddles until a lot of lefty blogs started using it as a metaphor for Cleavon Little as President Obama.

"The sheriff is near!"

337 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:58am

re: #336 moderatelyradicalliberal

I didn't know anything about Blazing Saddles until a lot of lefty blogs started using it as a metaphor for Cleavon Little as President Obama.

"The sheriff is near!"

You must be a youngin'.

338 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:22am

re: #332 Learned Mother of Zion

Gene Wilder
Cleavon Little
Madeleine Kahn
Harvey Korman
Slim Pickens
Dom Deluise
Pie Fight finale

Monty Python. Nuff said.

339 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:50am

re: #332 Learned Mother of Zion

Mongo is pawn in game of life.

340 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:02am
341 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:05am

re: #315 erik_t

I've only seen one party's base go hog-wild on insane foreign policy craziness, joking about nuking Iran or booing gay soldiers or things like that.

The base at the press conference doesn't have to go "hog-wild on insane", all they have to do to cause a problem is razz the wrong reporter.

342 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:31am

re: #330 Targetpractice

It says something when even the party leadership realizes its crass for their candidate to be slamming the president over a pile of bullshit.

He was probably responding to his base who attacked him for not attacking the president hard enough.
Knee Jerk pandering stupid.

343 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:39am

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

Punching a horse!

Oh God that was so funny. I didn't expect it at all!

(Just saw the movie a few weeks ago. I had to after all of the Obama as the sheriff references over at Balloon Juice.)

344 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:40am

President Obama Speaks to the Press
The White House - live Beginning

345 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:42:10am

Ex-Leper: Half a dinare for me bloody life story?
Brian: There's no pleasing some people.
Ex-Leper: That's just what Jesus said, sir.

346 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:42:31am

re: #341 Dark_Falcon

What do you think of Romney's mendacious statement about Obama's reaction to the protests, Dark?

347 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:45am

re: #336 moderatelyradicalliberal

I didn't know anything about Blazing Saddles until a lot of lefty blogs started using it as a metaphor for Cleavon Little as President Obama.

"The sheriff is near!"

The 2012 campaign is certainly looking like a real-life Blazing Saddles.

President Obama: the Sheriff
Joe Biden: The Waco Kid
Hedley Lamarr: Koch brothers
Lepetomane: Sheldon Adelson
Taggart: Clint Eastwood
Mongo: Mitt Romney

348 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:45:35am

I haven't heard of this yet. Anyone else?

349 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:45:35am
350 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:46:35am

re: #347 Learned Mother of Zion

The 2012 campaign is certainly looking like a real-life Blazing Saddles.

President Obama: the Sheriff
Joe Biden: The Waco Kid
Hedley Lamarr: Koch brothers
Lepetomane: Sheldon Adelson
Taggart: Clint Eastwood
Mongo: Mitt Romney

Who's Paul Ryan?

351 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:46:51am

re: #350 sagehen

Who's Paul Ryan?

Also Mongo.

352 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:47:29am

re: #350 sagehen

Who's Paul Ryan?

One of the guys signing up for the attack on the town.

353 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:08am

re: #347 Learned Mother of Zion

The 2012 campaign is certainly looking like a real-life Blazing Saddles.

President Obama: the Sheriff
Joe Biden: The Waco Kid The Town Drunk
Hedley Lamarr: Koch brothers
Lepetomane: Sheldon Adelson
Taggart: Clint Eastwood
Mongo: Mitt Romney Todd Akin

Fixed.

354 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:26am

Did I just hear a journalist ask if this was an "act of war"?

355 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:27am

Some moron reporter just yelled out "Is this an act of war?"

356 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:38am

re: #352 Obdicut

One of the guys signing up for the attack on the town.

one of those smiley-face Klan guys that Sheriff and Jim take down.

357 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:39am

re: #354 Petero1818

Did I just hear a journalist ask if this was an "act of war"?

Yes. Yes, you heard that.

358 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:49:07am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Fixed.

You know that Biden doesn't drink since he has too many alcoholics in his family, right?

Calling a teetotaler the town drunk is pretty fucking shitty, Dark.

359 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:49:20am

re: #353 Dark_Falcon

Fixed.

Waco Kid WAS the town drunk.

360 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:49:25am

Ryan is Taggart's smiling and mouthy sidekick.

361 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:49:28am

re: #354 Petero1818

Did I just hear a journalist ask if this was an "act of war"?

Yes.

362 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:49:34am

re: #354 Petero1818

Did I just hear a journalist ask if this was an "act of war"?

re: #357 Mocking Jay

Yes. Yes, you heard that.

Then again, that all depends on your definition of "journalist"...

363 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:49:45am

re: #357 Mocking Jay

Yes. Yes, you heard that.

That is truly fucking retarded. Did he not hear the part where he said Libyan forces acted to repel the attack and protect Americans?

364 wheat-dogg  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:06am

re: #355 Mocking Jay

Some moron reporter just yelled out "Is this an act of war?"

I wonder if it was the same idiot who interrupted the Pres a few weeks ago

365 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:11am

Who's Lily Von Shtupp?

366 wheat-dogg  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:41am

re: #365 Learned Mother of Zion

Who's Lily Von Shtupp?

Palin

367 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:56am

re: #365 Learned Mother of Zion

Who's Lily Von Shtupp?

Palin of course....

368 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:57am

re: #346 Obdicut

What do you think of Romney's mendacious statement about Obama's reaction to the protests, Dark?

He thinks that Romney's time would have been better spent discussing Blazing Saddles, apparently.

Not that I necessarily disagree. It is a most worthy pursuit.

369 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:21am

re: #367 Petero1818

Palin of course....

But she goes over to the good guys.

370 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:37am

re: #366 wheatdogg

Palin

Nah, in the movie, Lily winds up loving the Sheriff and taking his side.

It may be that there are a few places where the analogy between modern politics and Blazing Saddles fails. Just a few.

371 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:00am

re: #369 Learned Mother of Zion

True, but perhaps Palin will just go silent...which would be the same or better.

372 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:05am

re: #370 Obdicut

It may be that there are a few places where the analogy between modern politics and Blazing Saddles fails. Just a few.

INCONCEIVABLE!!

373 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:05am

re: #354 Petero1818

Did I just hear a journalist ask if this was an "act of war"?

Yes, and many neocons want to perceive it as such. They want us to respond...overreact. They have no shame.

374 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:41am

re: #358 Obdicut

You know that Biden doesn't drink since he has too many alcoholics in his family, right?

No, I actually did not know that. I was really try to cast Biden as a stumbling fool good only for comedy relief. The Waco Kid saves the day with his keen shooting, whereas Joe Biden is in my mind only good as a comic buffoon.

375 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:47am

re: #354 Petero1818

Did I just hear a journalist ask if this was an "act of war"?

And if Obama wanted a casus belli in order to make demands or ultimatums at Libya this could be considered one. Having one's ambassador and/or staff killed by a mob (especially one carrying firearms and rockets) is a bit more than a bunch gathering outside yelling and screaming.

376 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:11am

re: #322 Mocking Jay

"Tone" is the word of the day.

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Yeah, that Romney's a regular Eric Johnson when it comes to "tone". /

377 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:26am

re: #370 Obdicut

Nah, in the movie, Lily winds up loving the Sheriff and taking his side.

It may be that there are a few places where the analogy between modern politics and Blazing Saddles fails. Just a few.

Mongo switches sides as well.

378 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:55am

re: #374 Dark_Falcon

Well, in your attempt to make him look like a stumbling fool, you stumbled, and wound up looking foolish. So please take your irony award, though as a GOP supporter you probably have a closetful already

379 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:58am

re: #373 blueraven

Yes, and many neocons want to perceive it as such. They want us to respond...overreact. They have no shame.

Probably drop a shitload of bombs and kill a bunch of bad guys, just like St. Reagan did when the barracks were....

Uh, never mind.

380 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:54:10am

re: #377 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Mongo switches sides as well.

That's true. Mongo just pawn in game of life.

381 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:54:22am

re: #377 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Mongo switches sides as well.

Mitt switches sides of his mouth.

382 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:55:25am

re: #381 Learned Mother of Zion

Mitt switches sides of his mouth.

Romney is the quantum Mongo. All positions at all times. If he was a weapon he would have a considerable dakka rating due to that.
;)

383 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:55:26am

Two of Americans killed in Libya said shot during evacuation bid

(Reuters) - Two of four Americans killed in Libya on Tuesday died in a shooting during an attempt by U.S. forces to evacuate staff from a safe house, Libya's Deputy Interior Minister Wanis Al-Sharif said.

U.S. consular staff were moved to the safe house after an attack on the consul building in the eastern city of Benghazi in which the ambassador was killed, minister Wanis Al-Sharif told a news conference.

A plane with U.S. security units arrived from Tripoli to evacuate other staff but militants discovered the location of the safe house, he said.

"It was supposed to be a secret place and we were surprised the armed groups knew about it. There was shooting," he said.

384 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:56:39am

re: #355 Mocking Jay

Attacks on embassies can be considered an act of war since it is an attack on the sovereign land of the nation. One has to weigh the evidence to see what happened. In Libya, it was Libyan security forces who were defending the embassy, but were overrun by a militia force who was using heavy weapons and RPGs. That isn't the basis for declaring war against Libya since the Libyan government was trying to protect the embassy and its personnel.

It could mean that the US might send drones to Libya to go after those responsible though.

385 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:57:23am

CNN updates:

[Updated at 10:43 a.m. ET] President Barack Obama said the United States condemns in the strongest terms the "outrageous" attack that took place in Benghazi, Libya.

"Today, the American people stand united in holding the families (of those killed) in our thoughts and in our prayers."

Obama said he will work with the Libyan government to bring to justice the attackers.

“We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act - and make no mistake, justice will be done," he said.

Obama said he rejects all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, but there is no justification for this attack, adding that the he world must stand together to reject these brutal attacks.

He also said, like Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, that it is important to make sure this attack does not change the work being done in Libya.

"This attack will not break the bonds between the U.S. and Libya," he said.

[Updated at 10:37 a.m. ET] House Speaker John Boehner ordered flags to be flown half-staff at the U.S. Capitol in honor of those who died in Benghazi, Libya. He will also lead the House in a moment of silence.

[Updated at 10:35 a.m. ET] Mitt Romney on Wednesday called the killing of the U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy personnel "outrageous" and "disgusting," and said "America will not tolerate attacks against our citizens and against our embassies."

[Updated at 10:31 a.m. ET] Former U.S. secretary of state Condoleezza Rice told CNN's Zain Verjee the attack was a "terrible tragedy."

"He was a wonderful officer and a terrific person," she said. "He was a patriot with an unshakeable belief in the power of freedom."

[Updated at 10:29 a.m. ET]About 50 U.S. Marines from a rapid-reaction force are heading for Libya in the wake of an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi that killed the ambassador and three other Americans, U.S. officials said Wednesday, CNN Penatgon Correspondent Barbara Starr reported.

386 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:57:44am

re: #384 lawhawk

Attacks on embassies can be considered an act of war since it is an attack on the sovereign land of the nation. One has to weigh the evidence to see what happened. In Libya, it was Libyan security forces who were defending the embassy, but were overrun by a militia force who was using heavy weapons and RPGs. That isn't the basis for declaring war against Libya since the Libyan government was trying to protect the embassy and its personnel.

It could mean that the US might send drones to Libya to go after those responsible though.

This

387 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:58:09am
388 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:59:45am

re: #384 lawhawk

Attacks on embassies can be considered an act of war since it is an attack on the sovereign land of the nation. One has to weigh the evidence to see what happened. In Libya, it was Libyan security forces who were defending the embassy, but were overrun by a militia force who was using heavy weapons and RPGs. That isn't the basis for declaring war against Libya since the Libyan government was trying to protect the embassy and its personnel.

It could mean that the US might send drones to Libya to go after those responsible though.

We should do that last and Mitt Romney should demand that the drones be sent. Those militias must pay for their actions. If the NTC objects, they should answered by saying "That militia was a problem you couldn't solve, so we solved it for you."

389 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:59:49am

re: #384 lawhawk

I hope I'm wrong at it really was some die-hard pro Gaddafi guys.

390 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:00:12am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

Again, Dark, what do you think of what Mitt Romney has already said on the subject? Is there a reason you're dodging the question?

391 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:01:13am

re: #384 lawhawk

[snip]

It could mean that the US might send drones to Libya to go after those responsible though.

I think we should invade Iraq again.

392 A Mom Anon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:01:40am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

Mitt Romney isn't in a position to demand any damned thing.

393 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:02:15am

re: #391 RayFerd

I think we should invade Iraq again.

I want flower maidens this time.

394 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:02:21am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

We should do that last and Mitt Romney should demand that the drones be sent. Those militias must pay for their actions. If the NTC objects, they should answered by saying "That militia was a problem you couldn't solve, so we solved it for you."

Ummmm, fuck Mitt Rmoney and whatever he demands.

395 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:02:23am

re: #3 Charles Johnson

Instant promotion. I think these cretins may have really crossed the line this time.

Way over the line. Fucking disgusting.

The GOP not a party but a putrid rotting ideology every bit as nasty as fundamentalist Islam they wish to paint all Islam with. They merely wrap it in jingoism and American Revolution idealism.

396 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:03:15am

re: #383 NJDhockeyfan

Two of Americans killed in Libya said shot during evacuation bid

"It was supposed to be a secret place and we were surprised the armed groups knew about it. There was shooting," he said.

It's also one hell of a coincidence that they killed the ambassador who is normally stationed in the embassy in Tripoli. This is starting to look more like a planned attack.

397 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:03:45am

re: #393 Decatur Deb

I want flower maidens this time.

Yeah, leave Iraqis to their own devices they never deliver. We seem to have found that with many countries we have "liberated" over the years.

398 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:08:21am

re: #395 Kronocide

President Bush made numerous speeches to specify that the WoT were not against Islam in general but those who corrupted Islam for their own purposes, including those just days after 9/11.

He was castigated by the likes of Geller and others for not going for the Clash of Civilizations and what essentially amounts to a new crusade.

President Obama has likewise separated the Islamic terrorists and those who have attacked the US from all Islam, and has been attacked for it as being a secret Muslim (even as Obama has authorized scores of UAV and other strikes against AQ, including the OBL raid that killed OBL and captured a treasure trove of intel).

399 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:37am

Well, that went well...the press corps looks like they could use a shower...

400 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:18am
401 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:57am
Romney was responding to a statement issued by the embassy in Cairo that condemned "efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims." Romney said in his appearance Wednesday that the statement "was akin to an apology" for American values while its grounds were under attack.

American Values: Fuck you if you don't like it ya wuss.

402 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:12:03am
403 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:02am

re: #401 Kronocide

American Values: Fuck you if you don't like it ya wuss.

If Romney thinks bigotry is an American value, then he doesn't deserve to be a father, let alone President.

404 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:28am

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

We should do that last and Mitt Romney should demand that the drones be sent. Those militias must pay for their actions. If the NTC objects, they should answered by saying "That militia was a problem you couldn't solve, so we solved it for you."

We have one president at a fucking time. But I really hope he does make such "demands." It will make him look even worse than this incident already has.

405 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:15:40am
406 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:16:27am

Romney getting slammed on all sides on his "I can use this corpse to my advantage" strategy:

Speaking on Fox News, Peggy Noonan was also blunt. "I don't feel that Mr. Romney has been doing himself any favors in the past few hours," she said.


[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

407 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:07am

re: #406 darthstar

Joe Scarborough just wants this ugliness to go away before it brings his whole party down.

408 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:12am
409 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:13am

re: #398 lawhawk

President Bush made numerous speeches to specify that the WoT were not against Islam in general but those who corrupted Islam for their own purposes, including those just days after 9/11.

He was castigated by the likes of Geller and others for not going for the Clash of Civilizations and what essentially amounts to a new crusade.

The GOP of the Bush era is now the GOP of the Gellar/Preibus/Palin era. Much different party, not for the better. That doctrine espoused by Bush is not being repeated, it's being discarded.

410 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:38am

You've nominated a complete failure.

411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:41am

Apparently Mr Romney's "The CEO never needs to apologize to anyone or worry about another corporation thinks" attitude has overrode whatever experience he picked up about working with other governments while being governor or "saving" the SLC Olympics.

413 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:58am
414 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:44am

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Mike Barnicle Suggests Prosecuting Pastor Terry Jones In American Ambassador's Death

I'm sure Jones would love the media attention playing martyr if this was actually attempted.

415 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:18am

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Mike Barnicle Suggests Prosecuting Pastor Terry Jones In American Ambassador's Death

{sigh}

416 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:25:56am

re: #414 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm sure Jones would love the media attention playing martyr if this was actually attempted.

Especially since he had very little, if anything, to do with the film. There's absolutely no chance of him being prosecuted or investigated by the DOJ over this.

417 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:26:38am

re: #415 sattv4u2

{sigh}

How are you holding up these days? Feeling any better?

418 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:28:46am

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Mike Barnicle Suggests Prosecuting Pastor Terry Jones In American Ambassador's Death

Way out of line, unless Barnicle is secretly in the pay of the GOP, in which case it was the best thing he could do. I can see the wingnut response now:

"Holder urged to prosecute pastor, trample First Amendment!"

(Personalizing the DoJ as "Holder" is always helpful since you want to invoke one of your side's already designated devils.)

419 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:30:35am

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Mike Barnicle Suggests Prosecuting Pastor Terry Jones In American Ambassador's Death

When I lived in Boston I couldn't wait to read Barnicles column each day. Edgy, independent, witty. Then the plagiarism charges hit. Since then he's tried to revive his career by being curmudgeonly

420 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:31:12am

re: #239 NJDhockeyfan

Here is the guy who made that film...

Sam Bacile, Filmmaker Behind Anti-Islam Movie that Sparked Riots, in Hiding

If it were up to me I'd charge this guy with espionage. His actions as a foreign national living in the U.S. cost the country lives abroad. I'll have to think about whether to just lock him away forever or setting him in front of a firing squad.

Asshole!

421 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:31:41am

re: #414 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I'm sure Jones would love the media attention playing martyr if this was actually attempted.

No he shouldn't be prosecuted, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be strongly condemned and ostracized for his hateful part in all of this.

422 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:32:10am

I wonder if any of the murderers were killed.

423 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:32:12am
424 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:33:22am

re: #417 Killgore Trout

How are you holding up these days? Feeling any better?

Hanging in there

meds, tests, waiting,,,

Surgery probably 10/02
Thanks

425 gwangung  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:34:53am

re: #421 blueraven

No he shouldn't be prosecuted, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be strongly condemned and ostracized for his hateful part in all of this.

I move that we change his first name to Asshole.

426 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:35:08am

Nailed it!

Seriously, though, what's he smiling about? An ambassador and three others dead? Why the smiles, Mitt?

427 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:35:15am
428 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:35:52am

re: #425 gwangung

I move that we change his first name to Asshole.

Send him to a 'safe house' in Libya.

429 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:37:04am

So what we learned today is that when that phone rings at 3:00 AM to tell the President of some horrific incident, Romney will rush to judgement and make political hay of it. That is his instinct and its an awfully dangerous one.

430 gwangung  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:37:46am

re: #429 Petero1818

So what we learned today is that when that phone rings at 3:00 AM to tell the President of some horrific incident, Romney will rush to judgement and make political hay of it. That is his instinct and its an awfully dangerous one.

And this is different from the rest of the Republican party...how?

431 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:39:51am

re: #426 Mocking Jay

Nailed it!

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Seriously, though, what's he smiling about? An ambassador and three others dead? Why the smiles, Mitt?

That's not a smile. It's an evil grin. It's that "I've got them right where I want them" look. The kind of look someone gives when they are attempting to manipulate a situation.

432 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:41:11am

re: #431 dragonfire1981

That's not a smile. It's an evil grin. It's that "I've got them right where I want them" look. The kind of look someone gives when they are attempting to manipulate a situation.

When Mark Halperin's criticizing you, you're clueless.

433 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:41:43am

re: #412 Killgore Trout

Mike Barnicle Suggests Prosecuting Pastor Terry Jones In American Ambassador's Death

Bad idea. It would unite the conservative base, and fracture the liberal base. You'd get to see both the Federalist Society and the ACLU team up to oppose the prosecution. Eric Holder is too smart to make this sort of mistake.

434 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:42:18am
435 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:30am

re: #434 Mocking Jay

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Goodbye, Todd Mongo.

436 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:38am

Before taking up his post, Ambassador Stevens made an introduction video.

Youtube Video
437 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:40am

re: #422 NJDhockeyfan

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I wonder if any of the murderers were killed.

Not that I know of. The Libyan deaths I read about were local police/security.

438 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:44:27am

re: #424 sattv4u2

Hanging in there

meds, tests, waiting,,,

Surgery probably 10/02
Thanks

Hang in there.

439 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:03am

Romney digs deeper

440 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:07am

There are links to pictures of Chris Stevens after he was murdered on Twitter. I wont be looking at them. I don't think I can stomach it.

441 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:47:15am

Whew. Wha' happened?

442 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:47:48am

re: #440 NJDhockeyfan

There are links to pictures of Chris Stevens after he was murdered on Twitter. I wont be looking at them. I don't think I can stomach it.

At least post the links. But you should look at them, so that you remember what weapons of war do to a human body as well as the iniquity of the Islamists.

443 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:48:02am

MSNBC just reported that 4 in Egypt have been arrested for embassy attack...no details or confirmation

444 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:49:04am

re: #426 Mocking Jay

Nailed it!

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Seriously, though, what's he smiling about? An ambassador and three others dead? Why the smiles, Mitt?

4 dead?

445 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:49:04am

re: #441 Gus

Whew. Wha' happened?

"Ole' Jim Williams went and shot somebody. Canape?"

446 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:49:17am

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

At least post the links. But you should look at them, so that you remember what weapons of war do to a human body as well as the iniquity of the Islamists.

I think anyone could find them if they wanted to.

447 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:49:24am
448 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:51:55am

re: #442 Dark_Falcon

At least post the links. But you should look at them, so that you remember what weapons of war do to a human body as well as the iniquity of the Islamists.

Huh? He died from smoke inhalation.

449 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:52:00am

re: #447 NJDhockeyfan

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Asshole.
You didn't want to look but you force all of us to. Asshole.

450 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:52:22am

'I saw Islamists attack the US consulate in Benghazi'

“The Islamists were yelling that they wanted to kill everyone in the consulate”

Sofian Kadura is an airline pilot who lives in Benghazi.

I was out with a few friends yesterday evening around 9 or 10 p.m., when we drove into the area where the consulate is located. All of a sudden, we were caught in a huge crowd, with people seemingly shooting on both sides – at the consulate and from the consulate. But it was hard to tell exactly who was shooting. We quickly managed to get to safety, to an area about 200 metres away from the consulate. My friends and I – who were all Freedom Fighters, or rebels, during the war – wanted to go back and see exactly what the trouble was, so I took my AK-47 from my car. (Today, I remain part of a volunteer brigade that ensures security in Benghazi.)

However, when we tried to get closer to the consulate, we realised that armed Islamists had blocked off the streets. They had automatic rifles, RPGs, and big machine guns mounted on cars. It was obvious they were Islamists due to their long beards. I told them I was part of a security brigade, and asked them to let me through – they refused. A large crowd of civilians had gathered, and many people tried to persuade the Islamists to stop. The Islamists were yelling that they wanted to kill everyone in the consulate. We said, “You know, there are Libyans working in there, too,” but they didn’t care – they said those Libyans should never have agreed to work with Americans. They also claimed that the consulate security fired at them first [Editor’s Note: we are unable to idependently verify this claim] – and I said, well, did you really think it was a good idea to show up to ‘protest’ with RPGs and automatic rifles?

"This is not what we fought the war for"

We stayed there until the Islamists left, at around midnight. Usually, when any big incident happens in Benghazi, those who are members of brigades receive orders over our talkie walkies from a main call centre. We received no orders. In fact, there was a brigade just down the street, but they stayed away. I was very distraught. This is not what we fought the war for. While I think the video is insulting, and should never have been made, I don’t think violence is the solution.

451 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:54:38am

re: #449 blueraven

Asshole.
You didn't want to look but you force all of us to. Asshole.

Dark_Falcon asked for the link.

452 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:55:01am

Not sure the pic should have been forced on us. There are other pics out there as well, some more ambiguous as to whether he was being helped to hospital or paraded around disrespectfully. This will be a question. I sincerely hope it is the former, but if it is the latter, it does not change the fact that this is the act of one mob and not a country.

453 nines09  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:55:17am

I called Mitt Romney an empty suit. I stand corrected. There is a worm in that suit. Him.

454 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:55:44am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

Dark_Falcon asked for the link.

That wasn't a link. That was the fucking photo.

455 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:54am

re: #451 NJDhockeyfan

Dark_Falcon asked for the link.

I though you could post the link without posting the pic. If NJDHF accidentally posted one of the photos, then the resulting anger should fall on me. Downding this post, and withdrawn the downs from him.

456 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:58:31am

re: #303 RayFerd

Oh, there will be blood!

- Pinhead I think

Do I look like the type of person who cares what God thinks? - Pinhead again.

457 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:12am

re: #424 sattv4u2

Hanging in there

meds, tests, waiting,,,

Surgery probably 10/02
Thanks

Whoa, sorry to hear, good luck with all that heal well & quick.

458 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:41am

re: #454 blueraven

That wasn't a link. That was the fucking photo.

My apologies. My work computer didn't show the photo. I thought it was just a link. I would never do something like that on purpose.

459 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:51am
460 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:58am

re: #457 Daniel Ballard

Whoa, sorry to hear, good luck with all that heal well & quick.

Thanks man,

And please say HELLO for me to your better half!

She's missed here

461 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:22am

re: #459 Lidane

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I was just about to post that! Yeehaa! Awesome!

462 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:33am

re: #455 Dark_Falcon

I though you could post the link without posting the pic. If NJDHF accidentally posted one of the photos, then the resulting anger should fall on me. Downding this post, and withdrawn the downs from him.

There's a 30-minute edit window—he could've removed it as soon as he saw it showed the photo. He chose not to. The ambassador was innocent, he has family, for crying out loud.

463 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:34am
464 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:19am

re: #462 CuriousLurker

There's a 30-minute edit window—he could've removed it as soon as he saw it showed the photo. He chose not to. The ambassador was innocent, he has family, for crying out loud.

I didn't see the picture or I would have done that immediately.

465 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:25am

re: #458 NJDhockeyfan

My apologies. My work computer didn't show the photo. I thought it was just a link. I would never do something like that on purpose.

apology accepted.

466 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:45am

If it's moronic for an unknown "journalist" to ask if the Benghazi attack was an "act of war," how about a United States senator?
Killing of Libyan ambassador ‘an act of war,’ Grassley says

Freepers of course are out with their pitchforks and torches to show bloodthirsty approval.

467 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:05am
468 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:29am

re: #461 Gus

I was just about to post that! Yeehaa! Awesome!

But don't forget, Obama sympathizes with the terrorists and with the people who attacked and killed our Ambassador.

/GOP

469 Charleston Chew  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:04:00am

Once again Republican strategists are self-destructing their own campaign with frantic "OODA Loop" dogma and trying to "win" every "news cycle", not realizing that Obama the Cool Hawaiian has the perfect counter strategy. He just "hangs loose" and watches them run themselves ragged.

They didn't learn anything from McCain's "racing back to Washington" disaster.

470 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:04:07am

re: #466 Shiplord Kirel

If it's moronic for an unknown "journalist" to ask is the Benghazi attack was an "act of war," how about a United States senator?
Killing of Libyan ambassador ‘an act of war,’ Grassley says

Freepers of course are out with their pitchforks and torches to show bloodthirsty approval.

This is getting ridiculous. It's one thing if it's proven that a gov't was behind an attack like this, but to speculate like that?

471 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:04:44am
472 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:07:36am

Another crazy day.

473 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:08:00am

Dumbest freeper comment of the day (the day is young though):

This video was put on youtube on July 2 (as one person noted in comments). Strange it would now be blamed for the attack.

Er, dumbshit, the film is being blamed because the barbarians screamed and bellowed about practically nothing else before, during, and after the attacks.

474 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:08:51am

Reuters video shows attackers with RPGs

475 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:08:52am

Since Texas got their Voter ID and redistricting maps tossed as being in violation of the Voting Rights Act, the Secretary of State has decided on a different tactic to disenfranchise minority voters: mass purges of voters from rolls.

Harris County cancels 'dead' voter purge

Harris County Tax Assessor-Collector Don Sumners said Monday that he would not purge from the voter roll before the November election any of the 9,018 citizens who received letters from his office in recent days notifying them that they may be dead and are at risk of having their registrations canceled.

However, a spokesman for the Texas secretary of state, the office that generated the statewide list of about 80,000 voters, said Sumners' move contradicts legislative directives.
[...]
The letters, many of which were delivered Friday and Saturday, asked recipients to verify within 30 days that they are alive or be cut from the roll.

Sumners has received over 300 complaints from supposedly-dead voters on the first business day after the mailings went out. Also, the Travis County Assessor's office noted that they have already gotten over 100 complaints by telephone out of the roughly 2000 notices that were received over the weekend in that county.

476 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:09:28am

I know one thing from all of this. Romney is definitely not ready for prime time.
Not that I had much doubt about that, but this removes any speck.

477 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:10:06am

re: #476 blueraven

I know one thing from all of this. Romney is definitely not ready for prime time.
Not that I had much doubt about that, but this removes any speck.

The mid-speech smirk is, frankly, stunning.

It makes me feel ill.

478 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:10:11am

Image: Ambassador_christopher_stevens.jpg

479 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:10:43am

Preibus is such a prick.

480 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:11:08am

Come on, Republicans, defend this.

481 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:05am

re: #480 Mocking Jay

Come on, Republicans, defend this.

They cant, but Rush and his ilk will.

482 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:43am

I remember reading about him when he was chosen to go to Libya.

I'm fucking PISSED OFF.

483 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:43am

A couple of good follow-up articles:

US Ambassador murdered as extremists on all sides win, again
The Christian Science Monitor

Who Is "Sam Bacile?"
Religion Dispatches

484 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:50am

re: #480 Mocking Jay

Come on, Republicans, defend this.

They are receiving their talking points from Rush right now, I am sure you will find them regurgitated all over the internet within an hour or two.

485 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:50am

re: #481 blueraven

They cant, but Rush and his ilk will.

I'm not sure I have the stomach for that today.

486 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:51am
487 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:15:00am
488 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:16:16am
489 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:16:23am

Two U.S. Marines who were sent to the area when the disturbance began also died, along with Sean Smith, who was employed as an information management officer.

490 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:16:29am

U.S. consulate attack was a planned terrorist assault, British think tank says

British think thank Quilliam Foundation says the attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi was “a well planned terrorist attack” and would have taken place regardless of the protest against a movie that insults Islam.

The foundation says the attack was revenge for the death of Abu Yaya al-Libi, al-Qaeda’s second in command who was killed in a U.S. airstrike earlier in June.

491 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:16:32am

I'm catching up.

How sure is it the movie was really the thing that set these killers off? Strikes me as ad hoc bull. It was 9/11, there is all kinds of simmering anger about many US policies there, then we have the whole Syria thing...

492 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:17:40am
493 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:17:43am

Christopher Stevens (ambassador)
April 1960 – September 12, 2012

10th United States Ambassador to Libya
In office
June 7, 2012 – September 11, 2012
President Barack Obama
Preceded by Gene Cretz
Succeeded by Vacant
Personal details
Born John Christopher Stevens
April 1960
California, U.S.
Died September 11, 2012 (aged 52)
Benghazi, Libya
Nationality American
Alma mater University of California at Berkeley
University of California
National War College
Profession Diplomat, lawyer

494 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:18:38am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The Quilliam (Foundation) is a London-based think tank that focuses on "counter-extremism", specifically Islamism, which it argues is the cause of Muslim terrorism. It lobbies government and public institutions for more nuanced policies regarding Islam and the need for greater democracy in the Muslim world. According to its founder Maajid Nawaz, "We wish to raise awareness around Islamism"[1]; also "I want to demonstrate how the Islamist ideology is incompatible with Islam. Secondly...develop a Western Islam that is at home in Britain and in Europe... reverse radicalization by taking on their arguments and countering them."[2]

The organization opposes any Islamist ideology, and champions freedom of expression. The critique of Islamist ideology by its founders Maajid Nawaz, Rashad Zaman Ali, and Ed Husain is, in part, based on their personal experiences.

Eh, they kind of have a little bias here, you think?

495 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:19:42am
496 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:20:03am

re: #483 CuriousLurker

A couple of good follow-up articles:

US Ambassador murdered as extremists on all sides win, again
The Christian Science Monitor

Who Is "Sam Bacile?"
Religion Dispatches

From your second link...

And there were some hints that Bacile may be a pseudonym for someone affiliated with the Egyptian Coptic Christian diaspora.

A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, told the AP that Bacile has family members in Egypt. A 2007 interview with Klein, a self-styled terrorism expert and former Marine Corps Vietnam vet, mentions his ties to the Copt diaspora community.

Klein’s author biography in a self-published work, “Is Islam compatible with democracy,” states: “With 9/11 2001, I immersed myself with Islam in America; went to every major Mosque in SoCal with Arabic speaking Christians as translators and uncovered useful information about many Mosques being the head quarters of terrorism in America.”

Interesting.

497 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:21:42am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. consulate attack was a planned terrorist assault, British think tank says

Hmmm... I think there might be something to that. I do think it was a planned attack.

498 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:22:26am
499 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:22:39am

Then again...

500 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:23:35am
501 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:23:58am

re: #498 Lidane

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Romney can go fuck himself.

502 efuseakay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:24:55am

re: #490 NJDhockeyfan

U.S. consulate attack was a planned terrorist assault, British think tank says

24 hours before this attack, none other than the leader of al-Qaeda, Ayman al-Zawahiri, released a video on Jihadist forums to mark the anniversary of 9/11. In this video, Zawahiri acknowledged the death of his second in command Abu Yahya and urged Libyans to avenge his killing.

That would explain much of it...

503 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:25:05am
504 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:25:28am

re: #495 Lidane

And Romney fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Dumbass.

505 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:25:38am

re: #489 Gus

Two U.S. Marines who were sent to the area when the disturbance began also died, along with Sean Smith, who was employed as an information management officer.

What really pains me is that Marines on Embassy duty are under very strict ROE. They aren't allowed to use deadly force without specific orders from very high up (probablt from the Sate Dept. in DC). Those guys probably died without defending themselves.

506 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:26:28am

Looking very bad for Romney:

But this press conference looks to me like a serious mistake on Romney’s part. The whole thing reeked of political opportunism and didn’t convey any sense of leadership or reassurance amid a crisis. It was also somewhat incoherent. At one point, Romney defended his reaction by noting that the White House, too, had also condemned the U.S embassy’s statement, claiming: “I had the exact same reaction.” Okay, so Romney is criticizing the Obama administration while simultaneously agreeing with it?

Romney is arguing that the administration at first took an objectionable stance. But the statement in question was put out by the U.S. embassy in Cairo, at a moment when it was bracing for trouble. No one except for confirmed Obama haters will buy the notion that the Obama administration sympathized with the attacks. And yet here Romney is at a hastily convened press conference, at a time when four Americans were murdered, doubling down on that exact charge.

This kind of thing will thrill the base, but will it really resonate with undecided and persuadable voters? The new Washington Post poll finds Obama holds an overwhelming 51-38 advantage over Romney on who is more trusted to handle international affairs. Does the Romney camp really think that raising the “apology” canard yet again in this context is a good strategy? Tellingly, no other GOP leaders criticized the Obama administration today, leaving Romney isolated.

507 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:26:42am

re: #504 dragonath

And Romney fell for it, hook, line, and sinker.

Dumbass.

No wonder he thinks foreign policy is a distraction. He's shit at it.

508 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:27:12am

re: #494 Mocking Jay

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Eh, they kind of have a little bias here, you think?

Maybe, but they aren't Gellerites. They've got the right ideas, so their biases are of lesser concern.

509 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:27:18am

re: #496 Killgore Trout

From your second link...

Interesting.

Yeah, it just gets curiouser & curiouser...

510 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:28:45am

re: #506 goddamnedfrank

Looking very bad for Romney:

He's a clueless and classless ass.

511 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:29:12am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

What really pains me is that Marines on Embassy duty are under very strict ROE. They aren't allowed to use deadly force without specific orders from very high up (probablt from the Sate Dept. in DC). Those guys probably died without defending themselves.

The reason for that is simple though brutal: The US can more easily afford the deaths of a small number of Marines than it can afford to have said Marines engage in a shooting incident that sets a whole country on fire with anger. Again, ugly but rational.

512 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:29:24am
513 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:29:35am

re: #508 Dark_Falcon

Maybe, but they aren't Gellerites. They've got the right ideas, so their biases are of lesser concern.

I just like to get more sources than someone who actively wants this to be an instance of organized terror.

514 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:29:43am

re: #509 CuriousLurker

Yeah, it just gets curiouser & curiouser...

The guy's claim that the movie was made with donations from 100 Jewish backers should have been the first clue his story was fishy.

515 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:29:57am

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

The reason for that is simple though brutal: The US can more easily afford the deaths of a small number of Marines than it can afford to have said Marines engage in a shooting incident that sets a whole country on fire with anger. Again, ugly but rational.

note: "Ulgy but rational" does not mean "right".

516 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:30:23am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

The guy's claim that the movie was made with donations from 100 Jewish backers should have been the first clue his story was fishy.

Follow this guy: [Link: twitter.com...]

517 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:30:25am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

What really pains me is that Marines on Embassy duty are under very strict ROE. They aren't allowed to use deadly force without specific orders from very high up (probablt from the Sate Dept. in DC). Those guys probably died without defending themselves.

One thing we can hold the Libyan government responsible for is not keeping this mob under control.

518 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:31:40am
519 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:31:41am
520 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:32:02am

re: #518 Lidane

Beaten by one second.

521 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:32:40am

re: #519 Mocking Jay

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I think what he was saying was he would have handed out bumper stickers that said "Peace through Strength".

522 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:32:54am
523 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:33:10am
524 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:33:13am

re: #518 Lidane

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More bullshit tough guy posturing by these amateurs.

525 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:33:21am

re: #517 Mocking Jay

One thing we can hold the Libyan government responsible for is not keeping this mob under control.

The problem is that the Libyan government is still very weak. They aren't eager to start taking on these militias, not until they've gotten enough of them onboard. Because once they start an anti-Islamist crackdown, the AL-Qaeda supporters are going to go underground and start a terror campaign of shootings and bombings.

526 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:34:29am

re: #517 Mocking Jay

One thing we can hold the Libyan government responsible for is not keeping this mob under control.

One of NJD's links upthread was an account from the local civilian militia who said there were no orders given for them to intervene in the attack. There may have been some local cooperation or bribery of local police or officials. This was a large well planned attack,

527 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:34:41am

A war criminal says what?

528 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:34:44am

re: #525 Dark_Falcon

The problem is that the Libyan government is still very weak. They aren't eager to start taking on these militias, not until they've gotten enough of them onboard. Because once they start an anti-Islamist crackdown, the AL-Qaeda supporters are going to go underground and start a terror campaign of shootings and bombings.

Agree completely.

529 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:34:56am

re: #519 Mocking Jay

530 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:35:43am

re: #528 Petero1818

Agree completely.

If you like it, then put a ding on it. :D

531 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:35:53am

re: #514 Killgore Trout

The guy's claim that the movie was made with donations from 100 Jewish backers should have been the first clue his story was fishy.

Yeah, Israel is already on pins & needles over Egypt & the Arab Spring, so it hardly makes sense that Jews—American or Israeli—would want to stir up a bunch of shit right on Israel's border, especially with the ongoing Iran problem.

The whole thing stinks. And there was some seepage across the borders between Libya & Egypt when all the upheaval was going on. Lord only knows what sorts of troublemakers went where.

532 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:36:17am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

What really pains me is that Marines on Embassy duty are under very strict ROE. They aren't allowed to use deadly force without specific orders from very high up (probablt from the Sate Dept. in DC). Those guys probably died without defending themselves.

It sucks. It should be noted here that it is a voluntary assignment.

533 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:36:38am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

The only thing Paul Ryan did there was spout meaningless gibberish.

By and large the GOP and the Romney camp have been shameful in this whole affair and Romney and Ryan have proven they're clueless and not ready to lead.

534 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:37:42am
535 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:38:07am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

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What does that even mean? How would that have kept our people safe?

536 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:38:39am

re: #534 Lidane

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I could have told you that after he pissed off his potential future UK counterpart but this incident really is icing on the cake that Romney's a total joke especially on foreign policy.

537 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:38:41am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

What really pains me is that Marines on Embassy duty are under very strict ROE. They aren't allowed to use deadly force without specific orders from very high up (probablt from the Sate Dept. in DC). Those guys probably died without defending themselves.

Sad, but most likely true

Me,, I would have defended myself THEN sought "specific orders from very high up"

538 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:39:54am

re: #535 Mocking Jay

What does that even mean? How would that have kept our people safe?

Because Paul Ryan would have talked tough, unlike that wimp Obama who's sending in Marines and counter-terrorist agents.

539 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:41:15am

re: #538 Lidane

Because Paul Ryan would have talked tough, unlike that wimp Obama who's sending in Marines and counter-terrorist agents.

Tough Talk, that should be their slogan because that's all they do. They don't offer details on what they'd do better or differently but they like to talk tough because deep down both guys are scared little boys who are running for offices way out of their depth.

540 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:41:21am

re: #529 Dark_Falcon

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Peace through Strength® is a registered Trademark of the ASCF and can only be used upon receiving ASCF approval. All rights are reserved and protected by the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

Slogans don't accomplish much, even if they're trademarked.

541 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:41:25am

Wow, Greggy. Hey, you know what would be awesome? If you were in a position to, I don't know, sit down with Mitt and ask him questions!

542 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:42:32am

re: #541 Mocking Jay

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Wow, Greggy. Hey, you know what would be awesome? If you were in a position to, I don't know, sit down with Mitt and ask him questions!

Yeah, I would love someone to ask Mitt about this. But I already know the answer, "The economy."

543 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:43:11am
544 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:43:22am

Yes, unleash the recipients of wingnut welfare to go tell the masses that Mitt is doing well and will win in November.

545 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:43:57am

re: #505 Killgore Trout

What really pains me is that Marines on Embassy duty are under very strict ROE. They aren't allowed to use deadly force without specific orders from very high up (probablt from the Sate Dept. in DC). Those guys probably died without defending themselves.

I seem to recall there was a change in the ROE, that if deadly force was being used they could use it too.

I also think I read that there was a firefight.

I think I'd like to get some actual reports instead of building a bunch of condemnation on speculation

546 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:44:27am
547 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:45:32am

I just can't take the election implications anywhere near as seriously as (AFAIK) the real issues, the non temporary issues. Relations with these new governments, with the paint still wet on them so to speak. Syria. Israel. Iran.

Why would I not suspect AQ instead of an American bigots movie? An anniversary attack on our interests in multiple countries. Hmmm.

Heck, I'm more worried about how American Muslims are going to be treated. Will this make some American bigot respond on some poor Muslim here with a gun?

548 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:45:33am

re: #537 sattv4u2

Sad, but most likely true

Me,, I would have defended myself THEN sought "specific orders from very high up"

and then you would have been court-martialed for having done so. As for me, I'd rather be shot full of holes and die than receive a dishonorable discharge. It's a matter on which I agree with Stonewall Jackson:

What is Life without Honor? Disgrace is worse than Death!

549 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:45:39am
Youtube Video
550 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:45:44am

Hi I'm Mitt Romney and I believe in Peace through Strength except when it comes to combating the voices of extremism inside my own party. There I'll continue to be a craven coward, willing to say or do anything as long as the wingnuts promise not to hit me.

551 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:45:50am
552 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:46:27am

re: #546 Mocking Jay

I really think the white house should lay off on this, and let the media and pundits do the work. They don't need to pile on here. As soon as it all dies down in 2 days they can raise the tax issue again.

553 CuriousLurker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:46:45am

re: #538 Lidane

Because Paul Ryan would have talked tough, unlike that wimp Obama who's sending in Marines and counter-terrorist agents.

One thing POTUS is good at is payback. He doesn't talk a lot of smack, he just sends in some special forces or drones to quietly take you out. If I was one of the guys responsible for these deaths, I'd be putting my affairs in order and writing my will. Just in case...

554 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:01am

re: #549 Mocking Jay

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Fire up the War Porn.

555 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:20am

re: #552 Petero1818

I really think the white house should lay off on this, and let the media and pundits do the work. They don't need to pile on here. As soon as it all dies down in 2 days they can raise the tax issue again.

dude...

556 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:33am

re: #426 Mocking Jay

Nailed it!

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Seriously, though, what's he smiling about? An ambassador and three others dead? Why the smiles, Mitt?

I'm not going to go so far as to suggest he's a true sociopath, but he damn sure has an empathy deficit, and has about as much apparent emotional dynamism as a broomhandle.

557 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:43am

re: #548 Dark_Falcon

and then you would have been court-martialed for having done so. As for me, I'd rather be shot full of holes and die than receive a dishonorable discharge. It's a matter on which I agree with Stonewall Jackson:

Bull
and
Shit

558 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:47:45am

re: #545 kirkspencer

I think I'd like to get some actual reports instead of building a bunch of condemnation on speculation

Same here. Until we know what happened I can't in good conscience try to speculate about the actions of any military personnel there.

559 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:48:54am

Oh boy. Totalitarian Islamists? Totalitarian?

560 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:49:13am

re: #559 Gus

Oh boy. Totalitarian Islamists? Totalitarian?

Thats what they're Totally Touting!

561 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:49:28am

re: #548 Dark_Falcon

and then you would have been court-martialed for having done so. As for me, I'd rather be shot full of holes and die than receive a dishonorable discharge. It's a matter on which I agree with Stonewall Jackson:

An unreasoning devotion to one's own honor has caused a great number of unnecessary conflicts and deaths.

562 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:49:43am

Imagine that. More bullshit from the Romney camp:

563 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:50:12am

re: #562 Lidane

Imagine that. More bullshit from the Romney camp:

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The smell of desperation in the morning.

564 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:50:50am

re: #563 HappyWarrior

The smell of desperation in the morning.

Their polling on the base's enthusiasm must be showing some real cause for concern.

565 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:51:09am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

My understanding is that the ROE always allow for self defense. The word right now is that the two marines were killed in a fire fight at an embassy safe house when the mob sussed out the location while some personnel were being evacuated. Possibly several people in the mob were killed and injured as well. This will undoubtedly be adjusted again as details come in.

566 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:51:52am

re: #564 Petero1818

Their polling on the base's enthusiasm must be showing some real cause for concern.

Which suggests that November will be a slaughter. If they can't even hold the base and they have to resort to this level of wingnut desperation, they're in deep shit.

567 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:52:12am

re: #564 Petero1818

Their polling on the base's enthusiasm must be showing some real cause for concern.

Even the base can see that Romney is not going to be able to get the kenyan sushulist mooslim out of office. Let's hope that they all decide to just stay home and deliver the house and senate to the DEMS as well.

568 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:52:17am

One thing's for sure, Romney certainly has cemented his reputation as a crass, sniveling, disgusting little gutless ****.

569 gwangung  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:52:59am

re: #547 Daniel Ballard

I just can't take the election implications anywhere near as seriously as (AFAIK) the real issues, the non temporary issues. Relations with these new governments, with the paint still wet on them so to speak. Syria. Israel. Iran.

Why would I not suspect AQ instead of an American bigots movie? An anniversary attack on our interests in multiple countries. Hmmm.

Heck, I'm more worried about how American Muslims are going to be treated. Will this make some American bigot respond on some poor Muslim here with a gun?

That's a pretty damn reasonable worry. From what I can tell, a well planned offensive. Hurts Libya's and US relations. And something that's well within AQ's capabilities.

570 brennant  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:53:25am

re: #568 goddamnedfrank

One thing's for sure, Romney certainly has cemented his reputation as a crass, sniveling, disgusting little gutless ****.

Language, Frank language. We are very sensitive here! /

571 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:53:58am

re: #518 Lidane

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What the fuck does 'peace through strength' really mean? Are they implying the world thinks the US is a weak country? Should the US have threatened to bomb Libya if it didn't toe the line? What would the line be?

Chicken hawk bull shit.

572 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:54:22am

re: #564 Petero1818

Their polling on the base's enthusiasm must be showing some real cause for concern.

Yep between this and Romney's moronic "The President is trying to take God off our money" bit in Virginia Beach, Romney is playing the act of Mr. Needs A. Miracle. Guy keeps on showing why I wouldn't want him representing me on any level let along the presidency. I guess the tough talk helps ease his guilt about being a craven asshole.

573 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:54:29am

re: #554 Gus

Fire up the War Porn.

No, its just that there are some Jihadis who just made an appointment with the Reaper.

Image: Drone3.jpg

574 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:18am

re: #571 b_sharp

What the fuck does 'peace through strength' really mean? Are they implying the world thinks the US is a weak country? Should the US have threatened to bomb Libya if it didn't toe the line? What would the line be?

Chicken hawk bull shit.

It's just that Obama is teh week! This would never happen under a strong Republican leadership. (Cough, cough, cough, cough, cough, cough.)

575 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:33am

re: #573 Dark_Falcon

No, its just that there are some Jihadis who just made an appointment with the Reaper.

Image: Drone3.jpg

Holy shit, bro...

First you say no...

Then you post the war porn.

I am amazed.

576 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:55:37am
577 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:56:41am

re: #576 bratwurst

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Ha that. They've been trying to paint Obama as being Carter like from the get go and these idiots think they're reincarnations of Reagan. At least Reagan wasn't a whiny baby like Romney and Ryan are.

578 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:56:53am

re: #568 goddamnedfrank

Want someone to be mad at, Frank? Try Destro. At the very least report him for his sick fantasy of having the Saudi and Kuwaiti royals murdered in acid tanks by Saddam Hussein. I haven't seen stuff that sick on LGF in years.

579 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:56:54am
580 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:57:44am
581 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:58:01am

re: #579 Gus

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Apologies. //

582 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:58:30am

re: #575 Mocking Jay

Holy shit, bro...

First you say no...

Then you post the war porn.

I am amazed.

Don't those scumbags who murdered our ambassador deserve to have a close encounter with a Hellfire ATGM? Isn't that a fitting end for them?

583 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:58:35am

re: #522 Gus

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Hillary signaled that we are definitely going after the perpetrators. They need to join bin Laden on the long list of ex-terrorists, but I would prefer not to see it done with drones and air strikes. If we have any capability at all for old-fashioned secret agent "wet work" this is the place to use it. If we give ourselves plausible deniability, the terrorists themselves will still know who is responsible (as we want them to) but their propaganda machine will be less able to use it against us with the general population.

584 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:59:14am

re: #578 Dark_Falcon

Want someone to be mad at, Frank? Try Destro. At the very least report him for his sick fantasy of having the Saudi and Kuwaiti royals murdered in acid tanks by Saddam Hussein. I haven't seen stuff that sick on LGF in years.

LOL, screw that. I'll worry about the fucked up skin job you're supporting for President, you worry about the bullshit distraction.

585 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:59:28am
586 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:59:44am

re: #548 Dark_Falcon

and then you would have been court-martialed for having done so. As for me, I'd rather be shot full of holes and die than receive a dishonorable discharge. It's a matter on which I agree with Stonewall Jackson:

Holy fuck! What the hell is going through your mind?

587 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:59:52am

About that film that's supposedly at the center of it all:

This just gets weirder.

588 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:00:40am

re: #556 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I'm not going to go so far as to suggest he's a true sociopath, but he damn sure has an empathy deficit, and has about as much apparent emotional dynamism as a broomhandle.

Ow, that hurt.

589 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:00:44am

re: #585 Learned Mother of Zion

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Global Rabbi. That made me laugh. In a good way.

590 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:00:47am

Ambassadors are nominated by the President himself. How could Obama, or anyone else for that matter, not feel his loss? Listening to Romney, you'd think Obama sent him to his death and then apologized for it.

I gotta say this for Romney. He says the stupidest things when everybody is paying attention

591 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:01:09am

re: #586 b_sharp

Holy fuck! What the hell is going through your mind?

He's exploring some kind of fantasy alternate reality were he actually served instead of constantly talking shit.

592 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:01:21am

re: #586 b_sharp

Holy fuck! What the hell is going through your mind?

I believe that it's better to die with honor than to live in shame and disgrace.

593 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:01:28am

re: #589 Gus

Global Rabbi. That made me laugh. In a good way.

He really is a globe trotter.

594 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:01:50am

re: #591 goddamnedfrank

He's exploring some kind of fantasy alternate reality were he actually served instead of constantly talking shit.

Funny. So is Mitt Romney.

595 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:02:21am

re: #593 Learned Mother of Zion

He really is a globe trotter.

People are scared of using the word "savage" in these cases. Hillary Clinton just called it a "savage attack." Hear, hear.

596 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:02:26am

re: #591 goddamnedfrank

He's exploring some kind of fantasy alternate reality were he actually served instead of constantly talking shit.

Ouch.

I felt that.

597 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:02:39am

re: #590 dragonath

Ambassadors are nominated by the President himself. How could Obama, or anyone else for that matter, not feel his loss? Listening to Romney, you'd think Obama sent him to his death and then apologized for it.

I gotta say this for Romney. He says the stupidest things wheneverybody is paying attention

Yep. I think it's just another example of why Mitt Romney just isn't presidential. I guess it was easier to look presidential when you were running against Santorum, Gingrich, Cain, Bachmann, and the other ones but when running against an actual president, Mitt's hollowness is blatantly obvious.

598 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:03:09am

re: #596 Mocking Jay

Ouch.

I felt that.

I didn't. All I saw was another hater hating.

599 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:03:26am

re: #595 Gus

People are scared of using the word "savage" in these cases. Hillary Clinton just called it a "savage attack." Hear, hear.

How about "frenzied rioters"?

600 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:03:27am

re: #390 Obdicut

Again, Dark, what do you think of what Mitt Romney has already said on the subject? Is there a reason you're dodging the question?

This curveball is still hanging.

601 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:04:19am

re: #599 Learned Mother of Zion

How about "frenzied rioters"?

This is it, "This was an attack by a small and savage group – not the people or govt of Libya." -- Hillary Clinton

602 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:05:54am

Just when you thought they could not sink any lower. Fucking scumbags.

It had to be said.

Fucking. Scumbags.

To use a tragedy like this for political gain?

It's so crass it boggles the mind.

Thoughts are with the ambassadors family and everyone who works in Egypt and Libya.

603 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:07:17am

re: #600 erik_t

This curveball is still hanging.

I ain't swingin' at it.

604 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:07:19am

re: #592 Dark_Falcon

I believe that it's better to die with honor than to live in shame and disgrace.

And if the orders you are following are immoral?

605 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:07:21am
606 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:08:19am

re: #583 Shiplord Kirel

Hillary signaled that we are definitely going after the perpetrators. They need to join bin Laden on the long list of ex-terrorists, but I would prefer not to see it done with drones and air strikes. If we have any capability at all for old-fashioned secret agent "wet work" this is the place to use it. If we give ourselves plausible deniability, the terrorists themselves will still know who is responsible (as we want them to) but their propaganda machine will be less able to use it against us with the general population.

It's out of my hands obviously. Drones it is.

607 chandsolo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:08:45am

re: #591 goddamnedfrank

As a Iraq vet, I agree What a piece of work he is.

608 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:08:50am

The extremists are already dragging Teh Juice into this.

609 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:09:06am

re: #605 Mocking Jay

That explains why the Romney camp is on tilt and betting on wingnut level stupid. They need the base. They're desperate.

610 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:10:14am

re: #604 b_sharp

And if the orders you are following are immoral?

Then do the honorable and right thing and afterwards commit Seppuku or otherwise kill yourself so as to send a message.

611 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:10:19am

re: #603 Dark_Falcon

I ain't swingin' at it.

Be a man and take responsibility for your own candidate.

612 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:10:38am

re: #608 Gus

The extremists are already dragging Teh Juice into this.

Check this:

613 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:10:40am

re: #610 Dark_Falcon

Then do the honorable and right thing and afterwards commit Seppuku or otherwise kill yourself so as to send a message.

Jesus, Falc...

614 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:11:11am
615 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:11:33am

re: #610 Dark_Falcon

Then do the honorable and right thing and afterwards commit Seppuku or otherwise kill yourself so as to send a message.

I hope you're kidding.

616 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:11:35am
617 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:12:10am

re: #560 sattv4u2

Thats what they're Totally Touting!

Truly?

618 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:12:13am
619 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:12:27am

re: #610 Dark_Falcon

Then do the honorable and right thing and afterwards commit Seppuku or otherwise kill yourself so as to send a message.

Take a break. Go for a walk. :)

620 efuseakay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:13:10am

re: #583 Shiplord Kirel

Hillary signaled that we are definitely going after the perpetrators. They need to join bin Laden on the long list of ex-terrorists, but I would prefer not to see it done with drones and air strikes. If we have any capability at all for old-fashioned secret agent "wet work" this is the place to use it. If we give ourselves plausible deniability, the terrorists themselves will still know who is responsible (as we want them to) but their propaganda machine will be less able to use it against us with the general population.

Doesn't matter how these assholes are brought to justice... Even if it wasn't us, it'd be our fault.

621 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:13:46am

re: #618 NJDhockeyfan

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Google "Steve Klein" site:atvsat.com

622 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:13:50am

Tunis police disperse protesters outside US embassy

Tunisian police on Wednesday fired tear gas to disperse hundreds of Salafist demonstrators outside the US embassy in Tunis gathered to condemn a film deemed offensive to Islam, an AFP photographer said.

He said the intervention came as the demonstrators, estimated to number 300, started to try to break through the gates of the embassy compound after having demonstrated peacefully for several hours outside.

623 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:14:09am

re: #616 Mocking Jay

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There's some truth to that. Of course knowing Asshole Romney, he'll probably accuse Obama of doing what he actually did because the truth and Mitt Romney have that distant of a relationship.

624 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:14:16am

Shorter version. Religious extremists incite religious extremists.

625 recusancy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:14:19am

re: #592 Dark_Falcon

I believe that it's better to die with honor than to live in shame and disgrace.

Here you go. [Link: secure.military.com...] Have at it.

626 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:14:50am

re: #615 Shiplord Kirel

I hope you're kidding.

No, I'm not. It's better to let your death stand as a rebuke to the assholes who gave you orders that could not be morally followed. The message will be heard much more effectively than if you face a court-martial you'd likely lose.

But ultimately, those words are intended for me. I'd rather be dead than in prison.

627 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:15:12am
628 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:15:38am

re: #566 Lidane

Which suggests that November will be a slaughter. If they can't even hold the base and they have to resort to this level of wingnut desperation, they're in deep shit.

Ding Ding Ding. Winner. It will NOT be close. It will be carefully managed to appear close, as each and every party or media has a huge financial or vote attendance reason to make sure the illusion of close is maintained.

629 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:16:01am

CO-EXIST?
Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:31 The Way TV

1,400 years of Islam’s history Proves Mohammed’s followers Have never permitted coexistence.

www.defendstudents.org has a real plan, a real solution, we reach high school kids in an Instant! Defend Students, CAIR knows we Are all too successful.

We properly educating kids at the source - high schools. Instantly 1,000s of high school kids have come on board with us.

As Noah began his boat 120 years before it began to rain. Islam has never permitted a Peaceful Coexistence – Historians who know Islam know it’s time to build our ARK – We are a group of networked folks Operating Lawfully under Anglo-American Common Law to survive the Biological Time bomb of Islam.

Steve Klein

630 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:16:46am

re: #587 Lidane

About that film that's supposedly at the center of it all:

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This just gets weirder.

Yeah ..,

While Bacile claims to be in hiding, and his identity remains murky, another character who has been publicly listed as a consultant on the film is a known anti-Muslim activist with ties to the extreme Christian right and the militia movement. He is Steve Klein, a Hemet, California based insurance salesman who claims to have led a “hunter-killer team” in Vietnam.”

Klein is a right-wing extremist who emerged from the same axis of Islamophobia that produced Anders Behring Breivik and which takes inspiration from the writings of Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and Daniel Pipes.

It appears Klein (or someone who shares his name and views) is an enthusiastic commenter on Geller’s website, Atlas Shrugged, where he recently complained about Mitt Romney’s “support for a Muslim state in Israel’s Heartland.” In July 2011, Spencer’s website, Jihad Watch, promoted a rally Klein organized alongside the anti-Muslim Coptic extremist Joseph Nasrallah to demand the firing of LA County Sheriff Lee Baca, whom they painted as a dupe for Hamas.

631 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:16:48am

re: #626 Dark_Falcon

No, I'm not. It's better to let your death stand as a rebuke to the assholes who gave you orders that could not be morally followed. The message will be heard much more effectively than if you face a court-martial you'd likely lose.

But ultimately, those words are intended for me. I'd rather be dead than in prison.

You never know what you're going to do until you're placed in that situation. And I disagree with your premise because during the Holocaust when some German soldiers felt squeamish about having to shoot innocents, they(high command) decided to switch to poison gas and de-personalize the experience of mass murder.

632 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:16:50am

More protests in Casablanca:

Hundreds of Muslims protested on Wednesday outside the US consulate in Morocco’s largest city Casablanca to decry a film deemed insulting to Islam that already sparked deadly violence in Libya, an AFP photographer reported.
The protesters, numbering between 300 and 400 mostly young activists, gathered around 200 metres (yards) from the consulate amid a heavy police presence. Some shouted anti-US slogans, including “Death to Obama!”, but without resorting to violence.

[Link: www.moroccoworldnews.com...]

633 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:17:20am

re: #629 Gus

CO-EXIST?
Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:31 The Way TV

WTF...

634 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:18:14am

re: #632 jaunte

More protests in Casablanca:

[Link: www.moroccoworldnews.com...]

As long as they do not resort to violence, then they are within their rights.

635 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:18:20am

Made a qucik page:

Romney: unfit for government

Romney is just unbelievable.

636 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:18:25am

Image: libyapressconferences.png

637 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:18:51am

re: #629 Gus

CO-EXIST?
Sunday, 04 December 2011 00:31 The Way TV

You should page that, also with the information in negativ's post.

638 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:19:02am

Romney's smirking. Kind of ironic.

639 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:19:30am

re: #637 Learned Mother of Zion

You should page that, also with the information in negativ's post.

I'm kind of jittery this morning. Coffee. Maybe later.

640 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:19:34am

re: #630 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Yeah ..,

The only things he likely "hunted and killed" during the Vietnam War were whiskey bottles and beer kegs.

641 recusancy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:20:02am

[Link: smirkingmitt.tumblr.com...]

642 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:21:37am

re: #633 Learned Mother of Zion

WTF...

"We properly educating kids at the source..."

I hope they don't teach grammar.

643 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:24:25am

re: #620 efuseakay

Doesn't matter how these assholes are brought to justice... Even if it wasn't us, it'd be our fault.

Just a preference on my part. I would prefer to see them shot on the street with a suppressed sniper weapon, but if we have to drop our 10 ton MOAB bomb on their desert tents to get them, then let it fall.

644 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:26:19am

re: #640 Dark_Falcon

Then only things he likely "hunted and killed" during the Vietnam War were whiskey bottle and beer kegs.

Which is still more than Mitt Romney, who protested FOR the draft then ran and hid in a French castle.

645 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:27:41am

re: #644 Lidane

Which is still more than Mitt Romney, who protested FOR the draft then ran and hid in a French castle.

Hey, being a young American in France was a tough place to be in the 1960's. //

646 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 10:30:07am

re: #642 b_sharp

I hope they don't teach grammar.

Just speaking in tongues

647 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:05:42am

Dear GOP Chairman Rinsed Penis (I hope I spelled that right)

Please be so kind as to take your fatuous commentary and shove it up your ass.

Sincerely,
Dr. Lizardo

648 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:35pm

re: #68 Shiplord Kirel

Why do I keep wanting to call this clown "Prince Rebus?"

Rinsed Pubis

649 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:35:32pm

re: #388 Dark_Falcon

We should do that last and Mitt Romney should demand that the drones be sent. Those militias must pay for their actions. If the NTC objects, they should answered by saying "That militia was a problem you couldn't solve, so we solved it for you."

Romney doesn't have standing to demand dick.

650 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:47:00pm

re: #426 Mocking Jay

Nailed it!

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Seriously, though, what's he smiling about? An ambassador and three others dead? Why the smiles, Mitt?

He thinks that this situation is President Obama's Iranian hostage crisis and I expect the whole TPGOP asshole universe to try their best to get it some traction all the way through to Election Day.

Bank on it.

651 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:36pm

re: #610 Dark_Falcon

Then do the honorable and right thing and afterwards commit Seppuku or otherwise kill yourself so as to send a message.

Get fucked, Dark.


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