Jeffrey Goldberg: Who Is ‘Sam Bacile?’

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Jeffrey Goldberg has been trying to track down “Sam Bacile,” the producer of the anti-Muslim film that precipitated the attack on the US’s Libyan embassy, and this story is really beginning to smell bad now: Muhammad Film Consultant: ‘Sam Bacile’ Is Not Israeli, and Not a Real Name.

As part of my search for more information about Sam Bacile, the alleged producer of the now-infamous anti-Muhammad film trailer “The Innocence of Muslims,” I just called a man named Steve Klein — a self-described militant Christian activist in Riverside, California (whose actual business, he said, is in selling “hard-to-place home insurance”), who has been described in multiple media accounts as a consultant to the film.

Klein told me that Bacile, the producer of the film, is not Israeli, and most likely not Jewish, as has been reported, and that the name is, in fact, a pseudonym. He said he did not know “Bacile“‘s real name. He said Bacile contacted him because he leads anti-Islam protests outside of mosques and schools, and because, he said, he is a Vietnam veteran and an expert on uncovering al Qaeda cells in California. “After 9/11 I went out to look for terror cells in California and found them, piece of cake. Sam found out about me. The Middle East Christian and Jewish communities trust me.”

He said the man who identified himself as Bacile asked him to help make the anti-Muhammad film. When I asked him to describe Bacile, he said: “I don’t know that much about him. I met him, I spoke to him for an hour. He’s not Israeli, no. I can tell you this for sure, the State of Israel is not involved, Terry Jones (the radical Christian Quran-burning pastor) is not involved. His name is a pseudonym. All these Middle Eastern folks I work with have pseudonyms. I doubt he’s Jewish. I would suspect this is a disinformation campaign.”

UPDATE at 9/12/12 11:17:17 am

Sarah Posner has more information: Who Is “Sam Bacile?” | Religion Dispatches

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179 comments
1 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:17:32am
"After 9/11 I went out to look for terror cells in California and found them, piece of cake."

Translation: I looked outside and saw brown people.

2 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:18:51am

Could it be that Steve Klein is "Sam Bacile"?

3 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:19:18am

My guess: It's a nomme de guerre for the other mustache, not Terry Jones but Klein himself.

4 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:19:40am
5 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:20:10am

re: #2 Learned Mother of Zion

Could it be that Steve Klein is "Sam Bacile"?

I'm not sure. But he sure sounds like an imbacile.

6 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:20:22am

Someone in the previous thread pointed out that "Sam Bacile" sounds an awful lot like the word "imbecile".

It sounds to me like someone is trying to play people for useful idiots by making this film and inciting this violence and we've lost good people because of it.

7 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:20:49am

Israel says he isn't an Israeli citizen as far as their records indicate. No one in the film community in the US or Israel knows of the guy (no records exist in imdb.com).

Bacile claims that $5 million was spent on the film, and if the clips are indicative of anything, it's that the people who financed the film got production values a fraction of what a grade schooler could produce - though the outcome as the rumor of the video/film may have been precisely what was sought - violence, mayhem, and murder - including those of a US ambassador, several staffers, and it further appears that there was a second attack after the one that killed the ambassador, one that injured another 30 people, including US citizens and Libyans.

Details of how the Americans were killed were still being pieced together Wednesday. But according to al-Sharef's account, two distinct attacks took place.

Al-Sharef said Stevens and a consultate staffer who had stayed behind in the building were killed in the initial attack on the consulate.

The rest of the staff successfully evacuated to another building nearby, preparing to move to Benghazi Airport after daybreak to fly to the capital, Tripoli, he said.

Hours after the storming of the consulate, a separate group of gunmen attacked the other building, opening fire on the more than 30 Americans and Libyans inside. Two more Americans were killed and 32 wounded — 14 Americans and 18 Libyans, he said.

Stevens, he added, was visiting Benghazi to inaugurate an American culture center in the city. His body was identified by his Egyptian interpreter. There was no immediate confirmation of al-Sharef's account.

8 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:21:07am

Another player just turned up
Egyptian backer of Prophet film says sorry about deaths

An Egyptian Christian who promoted a film that has provoked protests in the region over its portrayal of Prophet Mohammad said on Wednesday he was sorry that U.S. diplomats were killed and said Muslims who objected should do so peacefully.

Morris Sadek, speaking by phone from the United States where he lives, also told Reuters that his objective in backing the film was to highlight discrimination against Christians who make up about 10 percent of Egypt's 83 million people.

Here's one of his websites.
[Link: nationalamericancopticassembly.webs.com...]

He appears to be based in DC

9 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:21:09am

re: #6 Lidane

Someone in the previous thread pointed out that "Sam Bacile" sounds an awful lot like the word "imbecile".

Funny, I just had that same thought. See post above yours.

10 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:21:58am

That explains what "cell warfare" is, besides a free computer game. We must have overlooked that at the Army War College.

11 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:22:36am

I'm curious as to why Klein chose California as a place to hunt for terror cells?

12 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:23:10am

I watched a couple of minutes of the movie trailer. It's worse than you think.

13 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:24:01am

I posted this before...

14 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:24:37am

re: #12 Shiplord Kirel

I watched a couple of minutes of the movie trailer. It's worse than you think.

Is there an actual movie or just a trailer?

15 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:24:47am
16 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:25:38am

Why Romney's desperate:

Gallup now gives the president a seven-point lead in their tracking poll: 50 - 43. And the approval numbers are now above 50 percent.


Also: Thirty percent of Americans are satisfied with the way things are going in the United States. Although low in an absolute sense, the current satisfaction level is the highest Gallup has measured since August 2009 (36%). A year ago, satisfaction stood at 11%.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:26:13am

re: #8 Killgore Trout

Another player just turned up
Egyptian backer of Prophet film says sorry about deaths

Here's one of his websites.
[Link: nationalamericancopticassembly.webs.com...]

He appears to be based in DC

Here he is posing with Terry Jones
[Link: nacopts1.blogspot.com...]

18 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:27:23am

Repost:

So I took the time to actually watch the film trailer in question.

It is mostly focussed on stereotype Christians being persecuted by stereotype Muslims.

That said, it has the production values of a HS film project and the acting quality is about what you would expect.

The "actors" are clearly a bunch of white Americans - who look pretty much exactly like the sorts of Americans (read white, lower class and uneducated) to go for this sort of red meat. I assure you this did not come from the Jewish right. Jewish righties just have a different style.

This is the part where we can look at the other side of it as well. Of course, the film is hateful. Of course, it was meant to provoke.

Of course, the Islamist/Jihadist crowd are the sorts of people to be provoked by such things. Even so, the radical Imams needed about a month to get things stirred up this badly. The "film" is that laughable.

My thought was honestly "you are killing people over this?" But this sort of insanity is to be expected in the Middle East.

This whole set of events from the silly film, to the insane, calculated and murderous response is a parade of smarmy ghoulishness.

The "film maker" wanted his publicity and to serve whatever far right/religious purpose of his own. The Imams and Jihadis saw an opportunity to push their hateful Jihadi message. The crowd saw a chance to kill and take stuff.

Romney saw a chance to capitalize.

Americans are dead.

Christians really are persecuted in many Muslim nations.

And no one in this whole mess has a shred of empathy.

19 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:27:43am

I want to offer sincere and heartfelt thanks to NJDHF for condemning his presidential candidate when he deserves to be condemned. I wish all lizards, on all sides of all aisles, did this.

(I hope that didn't sound mean-spirited or patronizing, because I mean it in all honesty)

20 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:28:34am

The Copt who promoted the film, Morris Sadek, is connected to Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, of course. Many posts on their sites about him. He's been staging lots of anti-Muslim publicity stunts.

21 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:28:41am

re: #15 Lidane

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I actually find myself shuddering to think of how Romney might have reacted to this if in the Big Chair.

22 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:29:10am

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I'm curious as to why Klein chose California as a place to hunt for terror cells?

I'm not sure, but there's been wingnut derp in the past about Iran sending in sleeper agents through Venezuela. The derp says that all these terrorists are coming through from Venezuela to Mexico as undocumented workers and ending up in the California prison system.

You know, because Iranians and undocumented workers look alike. Or something.

23 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:29:10am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The Copt who promoted the film, Morris Sadek, is connected to Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, of course. Many posts on their sites about him. He's been staging lots of anti-Muslim publicity stunts.

I thought the aroma was familiar.

24 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:29:18am

re: #20 Charles Johnson

The Copt who promoted the film, Morris Sadek, is connected to Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller, of course. Many posts on their sites about him. He's been staging lots of anti-Muslim publicity stunts.

Well, now he has caused the deaths of innocent Americans. Way to go.

25 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:29:19am
26 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:29:57am

re: #25 Mocking Jay

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Disgusting.

27 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:30:02am

As reprehensible as this film may be in conception and execution, it still does not justify the actions done in protest to this film or what the Islamist protestors were calling for (censorship or worse).

While I understand and will not condemn foreign countries who may want to censor this "movie" for the sake of public order, that is not possible in the USA nor should it be here.

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:30:04am

re: #21 Targetpractice

I actually find myself shuddering to think of how Romney might have reacted to this if in the Big Chair.

He'd be a quivering mess, and ask John Bolton what to do. Now that's scary.

29 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:30:38am

re: #18 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Yes, Christians are really persecuted and this film just makes things worse for them.

30 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:30:49am

When will the GOP learn to STFU about rape?

31 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:01am
32 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:05am

re: #18 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Romney saw a chance to capitalize.

Americans are dead.

Christians really are persecuted in many Muslim nations.

And no one in this whole mess has a shred of empathy.

Nailed it.

33 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:26am

re: #22 Lidane

You know, because Iranians and undocumented workers look alike. Or something.

I really want to make an off-color joke about the GOP, but I'll pass.

34 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:27am
35 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:31am

re: #27 Destro

Nor has it been suggested, as far as I have seen.

36 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:32am

re: #25 Mocking Jay

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And Kristol and Byron York continue to lie about what happened. Typical of assholes who only care about one thing and that's smearing the president and accusing him of being sympathetic to terrorists just so they can make their moronic readership's bigotries feel vindicated. They know it's not true yet they engage in it anyhow.

37 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:37am

re: #30 Lidane

When will the GOP learn to STFU about rape?

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That doesn't sound far off from what that judge in Arizona said to the girl who got fondled by a cop.

38 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:31:45am

Damn.

39 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:32:05am

re: #24 Learned Mother of Zion

Well, now he has caused the deaths of innocent Americans. Way to go.

No. No he didn't.

Evil has no messenger.

He made a smarmy, offensive and silly film. The people who incited the riots and pulled the triggers did the killing.

40 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:32:09am

re: #35 wrenchwench

Nor has it been suggested, as far as I have seen.

It is just a statement of values.

41 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:32:38am

re: #30 Lidane

When will the GOP learn to STFU about rape?

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Guess it was only a matter of time before the less timid of the GOP ranks jumped to let their freak flags fly.

42 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:32:43am

re: #29 blueraven

Yes, Christians are really prosecuted and this film just makes things worse for them.

Indeed. That was part of my point.

43 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:32:49am
44 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:33:29am

re: #39 Zionist Lord of Remulak

No. No he didn't.

Evil has no messenger.

He made a smarmy, offensive and silly film. The people who incited the riots and pulled the triggers did the killing.

And considering the confirmations that these riots were planned, the film looks like nothing more than the excuse.

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:33:48am

Frank's talking to Mitt:

Frank says:

It is always advisable to be a loser if you cannot become a winner.

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:33:51am

re: #30 Lidane

When will the GOP learn to STFU about rape?

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"Not intended to be a factual statement" But yeah these guys look like assholes more and more everyday. And Kyl is part of the leadership too.

47 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:34:15am

24 hour rule has been extended to 48 hours. Meanwhile, we know who incited the protesters in Egypt and Libya.

48 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:35:09am

re: #24 Learned Mother of Zion

Well, now he has caused the deaths of innocent Americans. Way to go.

Sorry as hateful as the film may be(and I couldn't watch more than a couple minutes of the trailer it was that crappy). The only people responsible for causing those deaths were the people who were actually there and actually killed people.

Quite frankly I don't care if this had been a XXX video of the Prophet Mohammed having sex with farm animals while eating BBQ pork ribs and getting his portrait done by a Danish cartoonist, it would still be no excuse for killing people.

49 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:35:30am

re: #43 Gus

Speaking as a Jew, that's an enormous relief, if it's true the director isn't Jewish and is in fact this dude. I know that really, the actions of other Jews don't reflect on me, but in whatever way we are anything in this world I'm Jewish.

I did suspect early that this seemed like a Jew-bashing rumor-- now it looks like it might be something I'm coming to hold in even deeper contempt, crazy Christian using Jews as some sort of proxy or shield for his own fucking assholery.

But hey, maybe there will be a sudden reversal and it'll turn out to have been funded by Louis Farrakhan and Newt Gingrich in order to promote their new movie studio.

50 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:36:24am

"Bacile" also claimed to be a California real estate developer, but there's no record of that either.

Bacile is not listed in any directories or incorporations or real estate deeds and is not licensed in California as a real estate broker.

51 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:36:37am

"The greatest trick Sam Bacile ever pulled was convincing the world he did exist.

52 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:36:40am

re: #49 Obdicut

I did suspect early that this seemed like a Jew-bashing rumor-- now it looks like it might be something I'm coming to hold in even deeper contempt, crazy Christian using Jews as some sort of proxy or shield for his own fucking assholery.

Not just cover, a further attempt at incitement, maybe.

53 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:36:46am

re: #30 Lidane

When will the GOP learn to STFU about rape?

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But that is what republicans say about rape when they talk about "legitimate" rape. It is sickening, but don't kid yourself about their twisted thought process.

When republicans go on about forcible and legitimate rape, they do not mean that rape is sometimes justified. They mean that those hussies asked for it and the man should not be punished because she "changed her mind after she asked for it."

That has always been what the GOP means by "legitimate rape."

This is to distinguish what they think are those rare cases when she didn't "ask for it."

54 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:37:01am

re: #44 Targetpractice

And considering the confirmations that these riots were planned, the film looks like nothing more than the excuse.

Of course it was.

55 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:37:08am

American Who Sparked Libya, Egypt Unrest Hates Obama, Hearts the GOP

Morris Sadek, an Egyptian-American anti-Muslim activist, managed in one week’s time to take an overlooked YouTube video featuring a lame attack on Islam and turn it into a flashpoint with violent extremists, with deadly consequences. As the New York Times reported last night, Sadek drew attention to the obscure video clip “in an Arabic-language blog post and an e-mail newsletter in English publicizing the latest publicity stunt of the Florida pastor Terry Jones, reviled in the Muslim world for burning copies of the Koran.” Within days the clip was making the rounds in Egypt, prompting denunciations from politicians and generating press coverage, and culminating in protests and a deadly attack in Libya.

Sadek, who has worked with Jones in the past, says he is fighting for the rights of his fellow Coptic Christians in Egypt. Unfortunately he seems much more focused on attacking Muslims than helping the Copts. Sadek pulled his Facebook profile around 1 pm today, but we were able to take a look beforehand. Here’s what we found.

Sadek is a supporter of ACT! for America, which believes that President Obama has embraced the Muslim Brotherhood. The group rallied its supporters last month behind Michelle Bachmann’s anti-Muslim witch hunt against Huma Abedin and others. Here’s Sadek with ACT! For America president Brigitte Gabriel at one of the group’s 2010 events.

Sadek is a man of many interests. He’s a member of these groups, among many others: Islam is of the Devil, Warriors of Christ, and OBAMA IS THE WORST PRESIDENT EVER! Agree?. Sadek is also a fan of the Republican Party, George Bush, Allen West (for president no less!), and number of other Islamophobic, conservative and/or Republican institutions and leaders. Ironically enough, he’s also a fan of the American embassy in Cairo, which was overrun by the protests that he sparked:

56 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:37:21am

re: #48 danarchy

Sorry as hateful as the film may be(and I couldn't watch more than a couple minutes of the trailer it was that crappy). The only people responsible for causing those deaths were the people who were actually there and actually killed people.

Quite frankly I don't care if this had been a XXX video of the Prophet Mohammed having sex with farm animals while eating BBQ pork ribs and getting his portrait done by a Danish cartoonist, it would still be no excuse for killing people.

I live in a world of grays. I'm perfectly willing to (at least on the face of the situation as we currently understand it) lay a big heaping plate o' blame at the hands of whatever shithead made this video, though he himself is obviously not the killer.

57 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:37:49am

re: #52 wrenchwench

Not just cover, a further attempt at incitement, maybe.

That's a good fucking point. It might have been trying to provoke attacks on Jews just as much as on Americans.

If they were trying to do that, and not just being a complete asshole, that is.

58 blueraven  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:38:19am

re: #44 Targetpractice

And considering the confirmations that these riots were planned, the film looks like nothing more than the excuse.

There is indication that the Libya attack was planned, but not the one in Egypt.

59 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:38:46am

"Disappointing" = polite phrasing when you're calling someone fucking stupid.

60 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:39:50am

re: #59 Lidane

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"Disappointing" = polite phrasing when you're calling someone fucking stupid.

When they lapse into condescending Britishisms.... hoo-boy.

61 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:40:14am

re: #59 Lidane

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"Disappointing" = polite phrasing when you're calling someone fucking stupid.

Ambassadorese.

62 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:40:28am
63 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:40:56am

re: #22 Lidane

I'm not sure, but there's been wingnut derp in the past about Iran sending in sleeper agents through Venezuela. The derp says that all these terrorists are coming through from Venezuela to Mexico as undocumented workers and ending up in the California prison system.

You know, because Iranians and undocumented workers look alike. Or something.

To old white guys they do.

64 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:42:16am

re: #6 Lidane

Someone in the previous thread pointed out that "Sam Bacile" sounds an awful lot like the word "imbecile".

It sounds to me like someone is trying to play people for useful idiots by making this film and inciting this violence and we've lost good people because of it.

That was me who pointed it out.

I think you are very right.

The Sam Bacile thing gives them the chance to claim it was parody all along if they feel the need to back out. They can say "didn't you notice the name sounds just like imbecile..."

65 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:42:33am

re: #62 dragonath

Off topic but worth posting:

Paul Ryan And Todd Akin Will Both Appear At Values Voter Summit

UNDERSTANDING RADICAL ISLAM 101

Speaker: Nonie Darwish, Founder, Arabs for Israel, Founder, Former Muslims United, Author, Cruel and Usual Punishment (confirmed); Frank Gaffney, President, Center for Security Policy; Kristi Hamrick (Moderator), Media Consultant; Erick Stakelbeck, Middle East Expert and Reporter, Christian Broadcasting Network

Synopsis: Since 9-11, blaming the victim has been a popular media and left-wing pursuit. Somehow, argue America-haters, we brought the violence upon ourselves. But when the blood of thousands of Americans spilt that day joined other victims of terrorist acts from around the world it became paramount to understand the radical mindset and worldview affecting us all. Political correctness is no protection against terrorist acts. Gary Bauer's American Values presents "Radical Islam 101" to provide a framework for understanding the worldview behind the violence.

66 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:42:42am

Man, this foreign policy stuff really is distracting.
/

67 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:43:24am

re: #65 Gus

UNDERSTANDING RADICAL ISLAM 101

"blaming the victim has become a popular left wing pursuit." Gosh I didn't realize that Ron Paul, Pat Robertson, and Dinesh D'Sousa were on the left.

68 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:43:48am

The killers in Libya are responsible for their own actions, no doubt about that.

But people like Sadek and "Bacile" and their ilk are also responsible, for deliberately, maliciously setting a match to a very flammable situation, in full knowledge that violence might result.

They're pretty fucking far from blameless in this.

69 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:43:52am

re: #62 dragonath

Off topic but worth posting:

Paul Ryan And Todd Akin Will Both Appear At Values Voter Summit

Denying the pain caused by rape has frequently been a GOP value.

70 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:44:10am

Pat Robertson Explains Why Muslims 'Go Crazy' When Islam is Insulted

Pat Robertson weighed in on the attacks yesterday on the American embassies in Egypt and Libya during which the US ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, was killed by wondering what it was about Muslims that made them "go crazy" just because someone says that the Prophet Muhammad was a polygamist pedophile.

Robertson concluded that "the reason they're so defensive is because they cannot defend some of the stuff they believe" and because Ishmael was, according to the Bible, "like a wild donkey" and "apparently that spirit has pervaded these people":

71 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:44:43am

More details about Morris Sedak. He is apparently the head of the National Coptic Assembly in the United States. He has no room for tolerance or coexistence with Muslims. He sees Egypt as being occupied by Muslims, and has used his position to shape Coptic Christian positions in Egypt and abroad.

Coptic Christians living abroad, many of whom are instrumental in developing public opinion, want little or nothing to do with inclusion and tolerance. Leading that charge are figures like Morris Sadek, the head of the National Coptic Assembly in the United States. He has on a number of occasions argued that Egypt is the national homeland of Copts and Muslims – the vast majority in the country – are an “occupying force.” It’s not difficult to see where mistrust can be manifested.

Likewise, there are radical conservative Muslim leaders, spouting nonsense against their Christian sisters and brothers from the pulpit. They tell their congregations of the threat the “infidel” has upon Islamic society in Egypt. No wonder Muslims have little desire to know and understand their Christian counterparts.

Sedak sees himself as a human rights advocate, and while there have been numerous instances of Copts being persecuted, his solution doesn't appear to be any better.

72 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:44:47am
73 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:45:44am

re: #68 Charles Johnson

The killers in Libya are responsible for their own actions, no doubt about that.

But people like Sadek and "Bacile" and their ilk are also responsible, for deliberately, maliciously setting a match to a very flammable situation, in full knowledge that violence might result.

They're pretty fucking far from blameless in this.

NO they are not blameless.

They are morons who deliberately waved a red flag in front of a bull. The bull obliged.

If we were only talking about morons and farm animals, it would just be a tragic prank gone awry. Instead we are talking about a lot of horrible people. Responsible people on the other hand, are supposed to know better.

74 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:46:13am

re: #72 Gus

Not just fans - but actively promoting. That tag on the podium is for Geller's organization.

75 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:46:50am

re: #73 Zionist Lord of Remulak

NO they are not blameless.

He did say FAR from blameless.

76 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:47:03am

re: #71 lawhawk

More details about Morris Sedak. He is apparently the head of the National Coptic Assembly in the United States. He has no room for tolerance or coexistence with Muslims. He sees Egypt as being occupied by Muslims, and has used his position to shape Coptic Christian positions in Egypt and abroad.

Sedak sees himself as a human rights advocate, and while there have been numerous instances of Copts being persecuted, his solution doesn't appear to be any better.

So why claim to be a Jew! Damn it!

77 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:47:15am

re: #49 Obdicut

Speaking as a Jew, that's an enormous relief, if it's true the director isn't Jewish and is in fact this dude. I know that really, the actions of other Jews don't reflect on me, but in whatever way we are anything in this world I'm Jewish.

I did suspect early that this seemed like a Jew-bashing rumor-- now it looks like it might be something I'm coming to hold in even deeper contempt, crazy Christian using Jews as some sort of proxy or shield for his own fucking assholery.

But hey, maybe there will be a sudden reversal and it'll turn out to have been funded by Louis Farrakhan and Newt Gingrich in order to promote their new movie studio.

To claim this was done by Israeli/Jewish people when it seems they had no role in this (and is linked to some right wing Christian groups) is like one of the worst things a Christian can do as a Christian and I bet these Christians think they are being pro Jewish in doing this (or pro-Israeli).

That is the American right wing Christian political movement in a nutshell.

78 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:47:22am

Uhhh... derp?

79 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:47:27am

re: #27 Destro

As bad as going out of your way is to stir up a hornets nest, as reprehensible as this film may be in conception and execution, it still does not justify the actions done in protest to this film or what the Islamist protestors were calling for (censorship or worse).

While I understand and will not condemn foreign countries who may want to censor this "movie" for the sake of public order, that is not possible in the USA nor should it be here.

I remember a Soviet era Russian news report on a Ku Klux Klan rally in New York City. The reporter emphasized that police stood idly by and did nothing to stop the rally. She interpreted this to mean they were obviously in sympathy with the Klan.
Similarly, a prominent Egyptian cleric has condemned the attack on the Cairo embassy, but in the same statement called for the US to jail the movie producers.

We need to do a lot more to emphasize our national commitment to freedom of expression. A lot of people are just not clear on the concept, including quite a few in this country.

80 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:48:07am

Crazy speech.

81 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:48:34am

re: #74 lawhawk

Not just fans - but actively promoting. That tag on the podium is for Geller's organization.

From the YouTube description:

Uploaded by JihadWatchVideo on Sep 13, 2010

Part 11 of 15: On September 11, 2010, Freedom Defense Initiative and Stop Islamization Of America hosted a Rally of Remembrance at Ground Zero.

In Part 11 Joseph Nassralla, Coptic Christian activist speaks passionately about what Islam has done to the Copts in Egypt

He's introduced by Spencer, with Geller behind him.

82 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:48:47am
83 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:48:58am

Romney HQ is on tilt today. Guess that's what happens when your polling is utter shit.

They're desperate and it shows.

84 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:49:28am

Rand Paul Compares U.S. Government To ‘Nazi Germany’

In an interview with Fox News’ Sean Hannity this week, Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) compared the federal government’s decision to reclaim some of its own property to Nazi Germany’s confiscations of Jewish-owned art.

Paul’s comments concerned a recent court decision holding that the United States is permitted to repossess ten rare coins that were illegally taken from the U.S. Mint decades ago. In 1933, the mint produced hundreds of thousands of gold coins that were never circulated due to the United States’ decision to go off the gold standard. Ten of these coins were illegally removed from the mint, allegedly by a mint employee who passed them to a coin dealer. When the coins, which are estimated to be worth over $7 million each, later turned up in the hands of that coin dealer’s daughter, the federal government confiscated them. Last month, a federal judge agreed that the government acted properly, writing “[t]he disputed double eagles were not lawfully removed from the United States Mint and . . . remain the property of the United States.”

In the Hannity interview, Paul (R-KY) claimed the federal government acted just like Nazi Germany when it repossessed its own property:

85 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:49:37am

re: #81 wrenchwench

From the YouTube description:

He's introduced by Spencer, with Geller behind him.

Spencer has long-standing connections with extreme anti-Muslim Coptic Christians.

86 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:49:47am

re: #72 Gus

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Beat me to that one.

87 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:50:01am

re: #86 Killgore Trout

Beat me to that one.

:D

88 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:50:32am

re: #76 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Misdirection play. Blame the Jooos means never having to say you're wrong. Feed all the usual stereotypes/anti semitism, and racism, with a hit of xenophobia and Islamophobia for good measure.

89 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:51:52am

re: #79 Shiplord Kirel

I remember a Soviet era Russian news report on a Ku Klux Klan rally in New York City. The reporter emphasized that police stood idly by and did nothing to stop the rally. She interpreted this to mean they were obviously in sympathy with the Klan.
Similarly, a prominent Egyptian cleric has condemned the attack on the Cairo embassy, but in the same statement called for the US to jail the movie producers.

We need to do a lot more to emphasize our national commitment to freedom of expression. A lot of people are just not clear on the concept, including quite a few right here.

There are many European nations we would call free and rooted in our values like Germany that ban the Nazis and their offshoots but do so for reasons that are local and rooted in local history so the American example cannot be followed as closely in Germany as it can be in the USA.

90 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:51:58am

re: #78 Mocking Jay

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Uhhh... derp?

Right. Because the administration isn't sitting back and letting Romney HQ prove their incompetence.

91 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:52:48am

re: #71 lawhawk

More details about Morris Sedak. He is apparently the head of the National Coptic Assembly in the United States. He has no room for tolerance or coexistence with Muslims.

Great. So he's a Coptic nationalist who wants to expel Muslims from Egypt. Another freak lacking a sense of irony, screwing it up for everyone.

92 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:52:53am
93 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:52:53am

Kristol: ‘Sept. 11, 2012′ Is Great Time To Accuse Obama Of Sympathizing With Foreign Killers

Kristol, writing on the Standard’s blog, said:

One can question the timing and tone of Mitt Romney’s statement last night. One can note he wasn’t as fluent and clear as he might have been at his press conference this morning. Still, the fact remains that the events of September 11, 2012, represent a big moment for the country. Romney is right to sense this, and to seize on this moment as an occasion to explain the difference between his foreign policy and President Obama’s. He’s right to reject the counsel of the mainstream media, which is to keep quiet and give President Obama a pass.

Kristol went on to say that “Romney is right to bring home the weakness of the Obama administration, exemplified in the disgraceful statement issued yesterday, September 11, by the American embassy in Cairo.”

94 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:53:16am

re: #16 HAL2010

Why Romney's desperate:

Just let Clinton talk some more and those right path numbers will go up.

95 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:53:27am

re: #84 Kragar

Rand Paul Compares U.S. Government To ‘Nazi Germany’

The U.S. Mint=legal owners of the coins
Mint employee=Stole the coins
Descendant of the Mint employee=received stolen goods

Jewish families=legal owners of the art works
Nazi Germany=Stole the art work
Descendants of the nazis=received stolen goods

I think the Mint employee who stole the gold is comparable to Nazis who confiscated the art works.

96 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:53:31am

Quick! Disavow! Disavow!

97 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:53:54am

re: #92 Lidane

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He probably finally heard that this is part of a group that protests at Mormon temples.

98 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:54:23am
99 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:54:27am

re: #96 Mocking Jay

Quick! Disavow! Disavow!

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They call that 'compartmentalization' my dear wingnut.

100 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:55:26am

re: #92 Lidane

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Romney is really bad at this.

101 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:55:34am

re: #80 Gus

Crazy speech.

"Where I can go? You need me to go to the moon now? To have a land on the moon?"

Good grief.

102 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:56:15am

re: #83 Lidane

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Romney HQ is on tilt today. Guess that's what happens when your polling is utter shit.

They're desperate and it shows.

Desperation tends to lead to a need to get ahead of the other guy on a major issue. In this case, Romney thought he had something with the embassy's statement and ran with it when others chose to remain silent or say prayers for the families. If he'd been right, he might have got sort of traction out of it. Instead, he's not only issued a statement based on an absolute, but chosen to double down rather than acknowledge his initial mistake. A loose cannon in the White House and a volatile situation in the Mid-East is a good way to start another war.

103 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:56:18am

re: #27 Destro

As reprehensible as this film may be in conception and execution, it still does not justify the actions done in protest to this film or what the Islamist protestors were calling for (censorship or worse).

While I understand and will not condemn foreign countries who may want to censor this "movie" for the sake of public order, that is not possible in the USA nor should it be here.

And I, as a Muslim, agree with you 100%.

I have no problem with anyone telling me, "Ah, you worship the Moon", or "Muslims are just a bunch of bandits", mostly because I usually laugh at them, and then mock their ignorance. Besides, people are free to believe anything they want.

And there's no excuse whatsoever for killing people because someone finds it objectionable. I found "Manos, the Hands of Fate" to be highly objectionable because it wasted well over an hour of my life that I'll never get back, but I'm not going to go out and kill the people involved in it (or anyone else) as a result; I'd just warn people that "Manos" makes "Plan 9 From Outer Space" look like "Blade Runner".

I don't agree with censorship in any form. People (and by this, I mean my co-religionists) really just need to chill the hell out.

104 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:56:26am

Ugh.

105 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:57:25am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

And there's no excuse whatsoever for killing people because someone finds it objectionable. I found "Manos, the Hands of Fate" to be highly objectionable because it wasted well over an hour of my life that I'll never get back, but I'm not going to go out and kill the people involved in it (or anyone else) as a result; I'd just warn people that "Manos" makes "Plan 9 From Outer Space" look like "Blade Runner".

Mitt Romney campaigns like Torgo walks.

106 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:57:53am

re: #89 Destro

There are many European nations we would call free and rooted in our values like Germany that ban the Nazis and their offshoots but do so for reasons that are local and rooted in local history so the American example cannot be followed as closely in Germany as it can be in the USA.

By the same token, they should not hold us to their standards by faulting us for not banning the Klan or prosecuting these movie producers.

107 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:57:55am

On the one hand, I believe in absolute freedom of speech. There can be no waiver on freedom of speech.
However, that does not mean that those who made these films are blameless. They have made a bad situation worse, and people died because of it.
But let us not forget that extremists, of any creed, do not need an excuse to cause violence and mayhem. If there is none, they will make one up. The film, as inflammatory as it is, did not kill anybody.
I completely agree with Steven Fry on this:

Image: fry.jpg

Yet, those who made this film are evidently bigots, and were most likely aware of the offence it would (or could) cause. I am wondering if they are silently rejoicing right now.

On Mitt Romney. All he had to do was to say something along the lines of what John Boehner said:

"We mourn for the families of our countrymen in Benghazi, and condemn this horrific attack. Eleven years after September 11, this is a jolting reminder that freedom remains under siege by forces around the globe who relish violence over free expression, and terror over democracy — and that America and free people everywhere must remain vigilant in defense of our liberties."

It is a sad state of affairs that he was incapable of doing just that.

108 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:58:01am

re: #104 Gus

Ugh.

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About 100 members of the militant group Popular Resistance Committees chanted anti-American slogans and called for the death of the California filmmaker behind the movie.

Popular Resistance Committees

The Popular Resistance Committees (PRC) (Arabic: لجان المقاومة الشعبية, Lijān al-Muqāwama al-Shaʿbiyya) are a coalition of various armed Palestinian factions that oppose the conciliatory approach adopted by the Palestinian Authority and Fatah towards Israel. Active in the Gaza Strip, the military wing of the PRC is the al-Naser Salah ad-Din Brigades.[1]

Set up in late 2000 by former Fatah and Tanzim member Jamal Abu Samhadana, the PRC are composed primarily of ex-Fatah fighters and al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades members and are alleged by Israel to be inspired and financed by Hezbollah. The PRC specializes in planting roadside bombs and vehicle explosive charges - directed against military and civilian convoys. The PRC is described as a terrorist organization by Israel and the United States.

109 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:58:25am

re: #96 Mocking Jay

Quick! Disavow! Disavow!

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Yeah, everyone knows Terry Jones is a deep cover operative for the Muslim Brotherhood.
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110 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:59:21am

re: #105 erik_t

Mitt Romney campaigns like Torgo walks.

Does that make Sheldon Adelson the Master?

"The Master will not be pleased."

111 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:59:45am

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

I found "Manos, the Hands of Fate" to be highly objectionable because it wasted well over an hour of my life that I'll never get back, but I'm not going to go out and kill the people involved in it (or anyone else) as a result; I'd just warn people that "Manos" makes "Plan 9 From Outer Space" look like "Blade Runner".

The MST3K version of "Manos, Hands of Fate" totally kicks ass.

112 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 11:59:59am

re: #108 Gus

About 100 members of the militant group Popular Resistance Committees chanted anti-American slogans and called for the death of the California filmmaker behind the movie.

Popular Resistance Committees

Yep, the Islamists are going to try to exploit this like crazy. I hope it doesn't spread any farther.

113 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:00:41pm

I have been sitting here all morning trying to figure out why an Egyptian Copt would make a movie which he knows would get Egyptian Copts killed. Movies about Christian persecution can be highlighted without insulting anyone.

114 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:01:15pm

re: #105 erik_t

Mitt Romney campaigns like Torgo walks.

Indeed he does.

Alas, poor Torgo. I read the actor who played him suffered from debilitating leg problems because he wore the prosthetics incorrectly.

115 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:01:37pm

re: #113 Mostly sane, most of the time.

I have been sitting here all morning trying to figure out why an Egyptian Copt would make a movie which he knows would get Egyptian Copts killed. Movies about Christian persecution can be highlighted without insulting anyone.

I think we'll eventually find that garden-variety American fundy bigots are behind this.

116 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:02:12pm

re: #110 Kragar

Does that make Sheldon Adelson the Master?

"The Master will not be pleased."

Here is the "Blazing Saddles" scenario:

The Sheriff: Barack Obama
The Waco Kid: Joe Biden
Hedley Lamarr: the Koch Brothers
Gov. Lepetomane: Sheldon Adelson
Taggart: Todd Akin
Mongo: Mitt Romney
Guy in Smiley Face KKK Robe: Paul Ryan

117 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:02:26pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

Indeed he does.

Alas, poor Torgo. I read the actor who played him suffered from debilitating leg problems because he wore the prosthetics incorrectly.

Got addicted to pain killers and later committed suicide.

118 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:02:43pm

re: #116 Learned Mother of Zion

Except Mongo turns out to be great. I think that Romney is one of the horses.

119 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:02:50pm

re: #111 Learned Mother of Zion

The MST3K version of "Manos, Hands of Fate" totally kicks ass.

Yes, it does. I have it on DVD. One of my favorites, along with "Time of the Apes". I almost laughed myself into a hernia with that one.

120 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:02:53pm

re: #53 Zionist Lord of Remulak

But that is what republicans say about rape when they talk about "legitimate" rape. It is sickening, but don't kid yourself about their twisted thought process.

When republicans go on about forcible and legitimate rape, they do not mean that rape is sometimes justified. They mean that those hussies asked for it and the man should not be punished because she "changed her mind after she asked for it."

That has always been what the GOP means by "legitimate rape."

This is to distinguish what they think are those rare cases when she didn't "ask for it."

Defining "legitimate rape" opens the door for "legitimate bigotry" like this film.

121 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:03:50pm

re: #118 Obdicut

Except Mongo turns out to be great. I think that Romney is one of the horses.

Romney could be the other guy in the smiley-face KKK robe.

122 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:04:03pm

re: #117 Kragar

Got addicted to pain killers and later committed suicide.

Yes, that's right.

Poor fellow. Torgo was, at least, interesting.

123 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:04:22pm

re: #95 Learned Mother of Zion

The U.S. Mint=legal owners of the coins
Mint employee=Stole the coins
Descendant of the Mint employee=received stolen goods

Jewish families=legal owners of the art works
Nazi Germany=Stole the art work
Descendants of the nazis=received stolen goods

I think the Mint employee who stole the gold is comparable to Nazis who confiscated the art works.

That would be logic... Republicans hate your logic and your liberal bias towards reason.

124 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:05:29pm

re: #120 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Defining "legitimate rape" opens the door for "legitimate bigotry" like this film.

You are of course correct.

NO doubt we will hear a chorus of righties defending the legitimacy of this film.

125 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:05:39pm

Do a search on youtube for "mst3k, long" and you can find most of the shows, uncut.

126 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:05:41pm

re: #108 Gus

About 100 members of the militant group Popular Resistance Committees chanted anti-American slogans and called for the death of the California filmmaker behind the movie.

Popular Resistance Committees

Meh, I'm not outraged. It's probably the most peaceful thing they'll do all week. More protesting, less rockets.

127 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:06:21pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

Meh, I'm not outraged. It's probably the most peaceful thing they'll do all week. More protesting, less rockets.

I was going to say. It seemed like an oddly peaceful protest. Burn the American flag, chant stupid things, and hold up signs.

128 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:06:46pm
129 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:06:54pm

re: #71 lawhawk

More details about Morris Sedak. He is apparently the head of the National Coptic Assembly in the United States. He has no room for tolerance or coexistence with Muslims. He sees Egypt as being occupied by Muslims, and has used his position to shape Coptic Christian positions in Egypt and abroad.

Sedak sees himself as a human rights advocate, and while there have been numerous instances of Copts being persecuted, his solution doesn't appear to be any better.

Sadek's Egyptian citizenship was revoked last year; the reason the Egyptian court gave was that he had called for war against Egypt.

130 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:06:55pm

re: #111 Learned Mother of Zion

The MST3K version of "Manos, Hands of Fate" totally kicks ass.

I knew I loved you bubbie!

Torgo pizza!

131 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:08:05pm
132 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:08:24pm

dear mr romney, in re: american values

in america we have freedom of speech

in american we respect all religions

sometimes these two rights come into conflict

it is never bad, however, for americans to deplore it when another person's religion is disrespected

please get back to me when you have studied and understood these principles

133 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:08:29pm

re: #127 Gus

I was going to say. It seemed like an oddly peaceful protest. Burn the American flag, chant stupid things, and hold up signs.

Taking lessons from Code Pink to heart? We can only hope. (As compared to Code Pink picking up ideas from them.)

134 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:08:41pm

re: #131 Gus

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Tom Ridge...

KEYES: Do you think that President Obama sympathizes with those who attacked us and attacked the embassies?

RIDGE: No, I don’t think President Obama sympathizes with those who attacked us. I don’t think any American does. I’m not going to question the strength of his words.

135 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:09:02pm

re: #123 Zionist Lord of Remulak

That would be logic... Republicans hate your logic and your liberal bias towards reason.

This reminds me of a thread that showed up on Free Republic years ago. It seemed that the U.S. Army had recovered several boxcars of household goods, including valuable family heirlooms and silver, that was confiscated by the nazis from Jewish families, and then looted by U.S. GI's.

The FReepers were very insistent that the GI's were totally entitled to keep the loot and in no way should they have to restore it to the survivors, because, you know "those Jews wouldn't even be alive if not for those GI's. Ungrateful shits."

You know, just like when the police arrive at your house when you call 911 and prevent the home invaders from murdering your family and raping your daughters. You should totally let the police have your flat-screen TV and your laptop.//

136 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:10:05pm
137 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:10:45pm

re: #132 engineer cat

dear mr romney, in re: american values

in america we have freedom of speech

in american we respect all religions

sometimes these two rights come into conflict

it is never bad, however, for americans to deplore it when another person's religion is disrespected

please get back to me when you have studied and understood these principles

Really weird that the first Mormon candidate can't wrap his head around this.

138 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:11:20pm

re: #135 Learned Mother of Zion

Heck, just start digging for some of the US police possession cases stemming from the RICO statutes.

139 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:11:22pm

Anti-Abortion State Rep. Has ‘Never Thought About’ Why A Woman Would Want An Abortion

State Rep. Jim Buchy (R-OH) is just the latest anti-abortion lawmaker to reveal his inability to understand what’s at stake in the fight for women’s reproductive freedom.

After an Al Jazeera reporter asked Buchy why he thinks some women may want to have an abortion, he fumbled for an appropriate response before admitting he had never thought about that question before:

BUCHY: Well, there’s probably a lot of — I’m not a woman so I’m thinking, if I’m a woman, why would I want to get — some of it has to do with economics. A lot has to do with economics. I don’t know, I have never — It’s a question I have never thought about.

140 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:11:23pm

re: #131 Gus

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Romney's finding himself alone save people who were going to bash Obama no matter what happens. Great job, Mitt, you just made yourself look like an even greater jackass.

141 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:11:44pm

re: #137 Mocking Jay

Especially considering how hard the LDS church has worked to reach out to the moderate Muslim community.

142 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:11:55pm

re: #138 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Heck, just start digging for some of the US police possession cases stemming from the RICO statutes.

But they only stole from pimps and drug dealers!//

143 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:11:59pm

re: #139 Kragar

Anti-Abortion State Rep. Has ‘Never Thought About’ Why A Woman Would Want An Abortion

Of course, he's never thought about it because he's been too busy judging women who choose to get them.

144 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:12:07pm

Geller's top article of at the moment:

Sharia compliant enemedia goes after free speech in wake on murderous Muslim attack on embassies in Egypt and Libya

Yahoo says a film is behind the attacks on US: ‘Innocence of Muslims’: The film that sparked deadly U.S. Embassy attacks

Make no mistake: the media is going after the film and the filmmaker in the war of the acts of war our embassies in Egypt and Libya. This is the line in the sand, America. This is the moment that determines freedom or slavery.

I don't know who the filmmaker is and I don't care. This is not about filmmakers, cartoonists et al. This is war on America and our freedom of speech.

Obama's State department apology yesterday was worst of all. He is sanctioning Islam's blasphemy laws, which forbid criticism of Islam. The sanctioning of the blasphemy laws and the threat -- and now reality of Islamic violence against those who transgress against those laws -- has led to this act of war, and will lead to further acts of war.

Condemning filmmakers and cartoonists for this is just as much of an act of war on America as the attacks themselves -- it is an act of war on our very ideals, an act of war on the First Amendment.

In any war between between the civilized man and the savage support the civilized man. Obama's foreign policy supports the savage.

Yesterday's bloodshed is a result of Obama's failed foreign policy. I predicted it too many times to recount. It was inevitable. The enemedia is furiously spinning the story and hoping to turn the heads of Americans in order to mislead and confuse what is plain and true. Obama backed that jihadist takeover of Libya. Who gave the murdering Muslim mob the coordinates of the Ambassador's wherebabouts to target him for assassination?

Defeat the media's war on freedom. Push back.

145 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:12:43pm

Enemedia!
/Clever

146 erik_t  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:12:57pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Geller's top article of at the moment:

Sharia compliant enemedia goes after free speech in wake on murderous Muslim attack on embassies in Egypt and Libya

Her word choice never ceases to amuse me. Every time I see 'compliant' I have to assume that Sharia is some sort of ISO-standard.

147 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:13:39pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Geller's top article of at the moment:

Sharia compliant enemedia goes after free speech in wake on murderous Muslim attack on embassies in Egypt and Libya

And yet when you call Geller a no talent, hate mongering bitch, she calls it censorship.

148 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:08pm

When all else fails, make shit up. No one apologized for anything Pam. Maybe if you weren't too busy consorting with Nazis, you'd know that.

149 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:09pm

OT:
Your GOP and FOX News at work...
[Link: nbclatino.com...]

150 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:20pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Geller's top article of at the moment:

Sharia compliant enemedia goes after free speech in wake on murderous Muslim attack on embassies in Egypt and Libya

She ran that one through the spell checker. NEED MOAR VODKA.

151 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:30pm

re: #139 Kragar

Anti-Abortion State Rep. Has ‘Never Thought About’ Why A Woman Would Want An Abortion

"It's mostly economic..."

Like a good little Republican he can't imagine a motive other than money.

152 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:14:34pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Geller's top article of at the moment:

Sharia compliant enemedia goes after free speech in wake on murderous Muslim attack on embassies in Egypt and Libya

STFU, Pamz.

153 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:15:22pm

re: #151 Zionist Lord of Remulak

*waves*

154 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:15:26pm

re: #149 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

OT:
Your GOP and FOX News at work...
[Link: nbclatino.com...]

This is why this election is going to be closer than it should be.

155 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:15:28pm

I just fact checked Sam Harris:

;)

156 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:16:14pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Condemning filmmakers and cartoonists for this is just as much of an act of war on America as the attacks themselves

Really, Pam? I thought condemning these reckless fools was itself an act of free speech. Putting them in jail or having their homes drone-zapped would violate free speech, but the POTUS did not propose that. Neither has anyone in the media except the noted idiot and has-been Mike Barnicle.

157 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:16:17pm

re: #103 Dr Lizardo

found "Manos, the Hands of Fate" to be highly objectionable because it wasted well over an hour of my life that I'll never get back,

Why in the name of Allah, did you not watch Manos via MST3K? You braved watching that without the Crow and Tom Servo?

158 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:16:26pm

The Telegraph has a very good summary of the events, both in Libya and Egypt, as well as in the United States.

It includes clips with Obama, Stevens as well as Clinton.

159 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:16:31pm

More good news for Mitt...John McCain's opposition report on him just found its way online.

160 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:17:09pm

re: #146 erik_t

Her word choice never ceases to amuse me. Every time I see 'compliant' I have to assume that Sharia is some sort of ISO-standard.

ANSI 66.6

161 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:17:20pm

re: #159 darthstar

More good news for Mitt...John McCain's opposition report on him just found its way online.

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This is excellent news for John McCain Mitt Romney!

162 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:17:23pm

re: #106 Shiplord Kirel

By the same token, they should not hold us to their standards by faulting us for not banning the Klan or prosecuting these movie producers.

I think that is what I said also. Pretty sure.

163 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:17:44pm

Once Again, David Barton Rewrites Modern History

today Barton again demonstrated the fundamental disregard he has for facts or accuracy when he and co-host Rick Green welcomed Rep. Louie Gohmert onto "WallBuilders Live" to defend the witch hunt that he and several other Republicans members of Congress launched against Huma Abedin under the guise of investigating the Muslim's Brotherhood's infiltration of the government.

Here is how Barton framed it:

And so what happened is you have some really high people in the State Department that, it turns out, man they've got some real direct ties to the Muslim Brotherhood.

And so what happens is Louie [Gohmert,] and Michele [Bachmann,] and Trent Franks and some others write a letter and say "have you guys actually investigated these ties?" And so all they did was ask a question and of course the administration when they got that letter, instead of answering the question, they released it to the media and said "look what these guys are doing, it's a witch hunt."

And so they suddenly get attacked for having accused a person of being a part of the Muslim Brotherhood and that's clearly not what the letter said, the letter is out there, easy to read.

On one level, Barton is correct: the letter is out there and easy to read ... but not because the administration leaked it to the media, but because Michele Bachmann posted it on her website!

164 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:18:03pm

re: #155 Gus

I just fact checked Sam Harris:

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;)

From a panicked embassy staff no less.

165 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:18:39pm

re: #164 Varek Raith

From a panicked embassy staff no less.

Yep. I responded to this which Harris mistakenly said it was from the White House:

166 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:19:19pm

re: #112 Charles Johnson

Yep, the Islamists are going to try to exploit this like crazy. I hope it doesn't spread any farther.

I fear, that no matter what evidence we put forward to the contrary, Jewish people and Israelis will get the blame as well as local Christians in the region.

167 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:19:23pm

re: #160 Decatur Deb

Naw, it's ISO-6.66

168 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:20:50pm

re: #167 lawhawk

Naw, it's ISO-6.66

Real Americans stick with ASA.

169 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:21:32pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

catchy title///

170 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:22:47pm

re: #114 Dr Lizardo

re: #117 Kragar

[Link: awesomekickass.tumblr.com...]

John Reynolds (Torgo) committed suicide by shooting himself in the head with a shotgun on October 16, 1966, although the incident reportedly has no relation with Manos.

171 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:23:03pm

re: #153 Dancing along the light of day

*waves*

Waves back :)

172 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:24:49pm

re: #171 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Waves back :)

Lol, just realized you're LVQ.
Derp!
XD

173 efuseakay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:25:47pm

re: #144 wrenchwench

Geller's top article of at the moment:

Sharia compliant enemedia goes after free speech in wake on murderous Muslim attack on embassies in Egypt and Libya

Twitter GULAG!!!!!!

174 researchok  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:27:42pm

re: #166 Destro

Yes. as long as the regimes in Tehran and many others in the region keep on producing antisemitic television programming, host antisemitic cartoon contests and conferenecs and teach bigotry, racism and hate in schools, this will be an ongoing problem.

175 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 12:40:43pm

re: #172 Varek Raith

Silly wabbit!

176 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:10:33pm

re: #157 Destro

Why in the name of Allah, did you not watch Manos via MST3K? You braved watching that without the Crow and Tom Servo?

I've seen both versions, actually. First, the MST3K version, then the original.

I was genuinely concerned, while watching the original, non-Crow/Tom Servo version, that brain damage/loss of sanity might occur, but I count myself fortunate that the only reaction was to go back and watch the MST3K version again.

177 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:11:40pm

re: #146 erik_t

Her word choice never ceases to amuse me. Every time I see 'compliant' I have to assume that Sharia is some sort of ISO-standard.

Sharia 9001.

178 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:36:19pm

re: #11 dragonfire1981

I'm curious as to why Klein chose California as a place to hunt for terror cells?

Couldn't afford air fare to somewhere else?

179 Destro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 1:52:51pm

re: #174 researchok

Yes. as long as the regimes in Tehran and many others in the region keep on producing antisemitic television programming, host antisemitic cartoon contests and conferenecs and teach bigotry, racism and hate in schools, this will be an ongoing problem.

These American Christian fanatics should not act like Iranian Muslim fanatics. Self evident, right?


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