Washington Post Editorial: The Death of an Ambassador

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The Washington Post editorial board weighs in on the terrible events in Libya and Mitt Romney’s crass political hay-making: The Death of an Ambassador.

At a news conference, Mr. Romney claimed that the administration had delivered “an apology for America’s values.” In fact, it had done no such thing: Religious tolerance, as much as freedom of speech, is a core American value. The movie that provoked the protests, which mocks the prophet Mohammed and portrays Muslims as immoral and violent, is a despicable piece of bigotry; it was striking that Mr. Romney had nothing to say about such hatred directed at a major religious faith.

Mr. Obama struck the right tone on Wednesday, saying that “we reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others” but that “there is absolutely no justification for this type of senseless violence.” Lauding Mr. Stevens’s service, the president promised “justice” for “this terrible act” while also committing the administration to continue cooperating with Libya’s democratic government — which apologized for the attack.

Since the overthrow of dictator Moammar Gaddafi last year, Libya has been plagued by armed groups that have refused to submit to the new government. Now the United States must press the government to take action against Ansar al-Sharia and other jihadist organizations that have established themselves in the eastern Libyan desert. Security assistance, which has been limited so far, ought to be stepped up, by the Obama administration and by other governments that joined last year’s NATO intervention.

As for Mr. Romney, he would do well to consider the example of Republican former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice, who issued a statement Wednesday lamenting “the tragic loss of life at our consulate,” praising Mr. Stevens as “a wonderful officer and a terrific diplomat” and offering “thoughts and prayers” to “all the loved ones of the fallen.” That was the appropriate response.

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534 comments
1 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:36:41pm

It sounds like these really were anti-government militiamen, and that I was wrong. I'm glad to have been wrong.

And I really can't believe that Romney decided that partisan sniping was appropriate, but since he did decide that, I'm not surprised that the snipe takes the form of a lie.

2 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:39:59pm

Romney is a sham candidate, a parody of an establishment Republican put up by tea party nuts so they can discredit the legacy GOP and take over the party completely.

3 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:41:47pm

I'm surprised Mitt even said anything considering his campaign said foreign policy was a distraction.
/

Mitt is dangerously incompetent to command US forces or deal with international diplomacy.

4 Iwouldprefernotto  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:42:03pm

When will Romney learn that it's sometimes better to say nothing or at least nothing negative? My guess is that its going to be after the election, if ever.

5 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:42:11pm

I wish I were rich enough to emulate a certain Roman emperor and hire someone to whisper in my ear, "They might win, they might win."

Otherwise it is well-nigh impossible to take the Republicans seriously this time around.

6 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:42:59pm

re: #3 Kragar

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He walked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

7 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:43:22pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

Romney is a sham candidate, a parody of an establishment Republican put up by tea party nuts so they can discredit the legacy GOP and take over the party completely.

With the exception of John Huntsman, whose candidacy was fatally wounded by his decision to serve his country as ambassador during the Obama Administration, this was, by far, the most wretched slate of presidential candidates I have ever seen a major party present for consideration.

8 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:43:28pm

FOX News just released a poll of 1056 likely voters, conducted 9/9 to 9/11. It has Obama up +5. That poll was concluded before Romney's own goal / epic level lying bullshit attack.

9 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:43:30pm

Ding Dong, The witch Mitt's campaign is dead.

I seriously doubt that there is anything they can do to repair the damage he has done. When you own Party (except for the truly deranged) is distancing itself from you at a rapid pace, you have to should know that you are toast. But I don't think Mitt can even accept that idea.

10 mr.fusion  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:44:07pm

re: #4 Iwouldprefernotto

When will Romney learn that it's sometimes better to say nothing or at least nothing negative? My guess is that its going to be after the election, if ever.

I think by his 2016 run he'll have it down

11 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:45:24pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

Romney is a sham candidate, a parody of an establishment Republican put up by tea party nuts so they can discredit the legacy GOP and take over the party completely.

That would make more sense than the reality...

12 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:46:07pm

The Daily Mail has a bizarrely good piece on Stevens up.

[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]

13 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:46:34pm

re: #5 Shiplord Kirel

I wish I were rich enough to emulate a certain Roman emperor and hire someone to whisper in my ear, "They might win, they might win."

Otherwise it is well-nigh impossible to take the Republicans seriously this time around.

Just looking at the poll numbers does it for me. Its still a close race.

14 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:46:55pm

re: #6 Obdicut

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He ewalked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

All the charm of a cash only used car salesman.

15 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:47:21pm

re: #6 Obdicut

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He ewalked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

"Nailed it!"

16 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:48:17pm

re: #6 Obdicut

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He ewalked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

Smirking pile of crap.

We follow this stuff from second to second here, but I'm wondering what the reaction will be among those who aren't political junkies like us. I've got to assume that a lot of people don't even know this happened yet. A friend on Facebook says that this will be forgotten by the time the debates roll around.

How far do you think this will sink into the public consciousness over the next week or so? Sometimes with the perspective we have here, it's hard to judge.

17 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:49:10pm

re: #6 Obdicut

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He ewalked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

There goes a man who just publicly dry humped a fresh corpse.

18 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:49:19pm

re: #15 jaunte

"Nailed it!"

"Gotcha..."

19 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:49:55pm

OT: I just saw my first political ad as a lead-in to a video on YouTube. I guess it was only a matter of time.

20 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:51:48pm

re: #16 makeitstop

I think this will have very little effect on ordinary people, but for people in the Foreign Service and their allies, it will harden a lot of hearts against Mitt. And that is a very politically well-connected group.

21 Robert O.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:51:53pm

Not sure if everyone is onto the latest development on this story, but a new thread is probably warranted soon. There is much, much more to this story. It appears that the actors in the anti-Islam film were duped, and have all come forward to say they denounce the movie. The "Sam Bacile" is not an Israeli or Jewish, and may not even exist.

[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com...]

[Link: gawker.com...]

[Link: blog.foreignpolicy.com...]

[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]

22 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:52:01pm

It doesn't matter if we think Mitt's candidacy is dead. There's a lot of money to be spent, and they're just going to be even more desparate.

23 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:54:22pm

From an Aljazeera report about the attack:
...About 11:30 pm, a group of people [who] called themselves as Islamic Law Supporters ... they came out of their military garrison...

US envoy dies in Benghazi consulate attack
Ambassador and three staff killed during attack in eastern Libya city over film deemed insulting by Muslims.

24 Robert O.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:55:01pm

Another link:

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

25 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:55:37pm
26 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:56:59pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

Well, you're half right.

27 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:57:22pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

Really? If he said that this was a tragic loss of life and that it reminded us all of the sacrifices made by people in the State Department, that would have been attacked?

You seriously don't have a problem with him not only politicizing their deaths, but lying about it while he does so?

28 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:58:11pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

He could have said what Condi said. And nothing more. That might have even made him look kinda presidential.

29 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:58:12pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

How about "I condemn the attack on our embassy, and my heart goes out to the families and friends of the dead?"

30 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:58:35pm

re: #21 Robert O.

I've been following this; according to one young actress, Cindy Lee Garcia of Bakersfield, CA, "It was going to be a film based on how things were 2,000 years ago," Garcia said. "It wasn't based on anything to do with religion, it was just on how things were run in Egypt. There wasn't anything about Muhammed or Muslims or anything."

Whoever this "Sam Bacile" character is, well, all I can say he's a total fuckwad. And that's not because I'm a Muslim myself......I'm just saying that as a human being.

31 Renaissance_Man  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:59:24pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

I can. Not making up stories about Obama apologising for America would have been a great start. In fact, not taking advantage of a tragedy to make up a false attack on the President probably would have been just fine.

There are, to be fair, some unfair attacks on Romney here. But this isn't one of them. Exploiting a tragedy to attack the President would be bad, but doing so with a completely false line of attack is beyond the pale.

32 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 3:59:50pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

That's a mighty self-righteous statement there.

33 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:00:05pm

re: #22 SteveMcG

"It doesn't matter if we think Mitt's candidacy is dead. There's a lot of money to be spent, and they're just going to be even more desparate."

Actually, I think you may be wrong. The Super Pacs that have been financing him are founded by People who know when to cut their losses. Mitt just blew a big hole in his campaign and is now taking on a lot of water and no amount of damage control is going to stop it. His campaign is a sinking ship and I think he is about to find himself "Bained" by his backers.

Poetic justice if you ask me.

But then again, I could be wrong.

34 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:00:16pm

re: #6 Obdicut

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He walked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

That to me was beyond creepy.

Like, "I did good, heh"

35 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:01:21pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

36 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:02:20pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea

That to me was beyond creepy.

Like, "I did good, heh"

Singing the Barney Stinson song to himself, but with his name..

37 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:03:36pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

BULLSHIT! He could have stayed classy and condemned the attack and loss of life without interjecting politics in the matter. He didn't. He tried to take a cheap shot and is now getting hammered by not only us, but his own party. Get over it.

38 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:03:44pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

That's creepy. and disgusting.

39 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:04:33pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

OMG, fucking creepy. That shit has to go.

40 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:05:23pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

YIKES

41 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:05:28pm

re: #37 Bubblehead II

Today is very strange. Not only does the GOP actually step back from condemning Obama on something, but the Daily Mail writes a journalistically excellent article.

42 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:06:33pm
43 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:08:07pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

Holy shit.

44 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:08:09pm

re: #42 Channeling Confucius

As you wish.

Someone had to tell you that's creepy??
That you're unaware that it is is creepy all in of itself!!

45 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:09:38pm

re: #44 sattv4u2

Someone had to tell you that's creepy??
That you're unaware that it is is creepy all in of itself!!

I guess Confucius must have been a pedophile, since he's channeling him.

46 chandsolo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:10:50pm

re: #42 Channeling Confucius

You are a sick, sick man! WTF is up with your blog?

47 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:11:01pm

New Study Finds High-Income Tax Cuts Don’t Stimulate Economic Growth

The study, conducted by Owen M. Zidar, a former staff economist on President Obama’s Council of Economic Advisers and a graduate student at California-Berkeley, examined economic growth in the states with the most high-income earners. Zidar reasoned that “states with a large share of high income taxpayers should grow faster following a tax cut for high income earners” if the tax cuts had the economic effect conservatives claim.

What he found, though, is that the effect of tax cuts for the rich was “insignificant statistically,” as Reuters’ David Cay Johnston reported:

“Almost all of the stimulative effect of tax cuts,” Zidar found, “results from tax cuts for the bottom 90%. A one percent of GDP tax cut for the bottom 90% results in 2.7 percentage points of GDP growth over a two-year period. The corresponding estimate for the top 10% is 0.13 percentage points and is insignificant statistically.”

Zidar’s study provides more empirical backing to what the U.S. has experienced over the last 30 years. Supply-side tax cutting policies have not led to the growth their Republican proponents promised. The Bush tax cuts, for instance, were followed by the weakest decade for economic expansion on record.

48 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:11:49pm

Libyans protesting against the attacks.

Image: KWOce.jpg

49 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:13:23pm

re: #44 sattv4u2

Someone had to tell you that's creepy??
That you're unaware that it is is creepy all in of itself!!

I feel the need to scrub my browser cache.

50 aug3  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:13:32pm

Former UAHuntsville professor chosen as Prime Minister of Libya

51 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:13:46pm

Not enough showers in the world ...

52 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:13:49pm

re: #2 Shiplord Kirel

Romney is a sham candidate, a parody of an establishment Republican put up by tea party nuts so they can discredit the legacy GOP and take over the party completely.

he's a parody of a sham wrapped in an enigma preceeded by a bodyguard of lies

53 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:13:50pm

re: #47 Kragar

New Study Finds High-Income Tax Cuts Don’t Stimulate Economic Growth

Hell I have been saying that for a long time, I could have saved them a lot of time and money in the Study, all they had to do was ask me. lol

54 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:13:52pm
55 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:14:13pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

Good lord. WTF is that?

56 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:15:01pm

re: #49 danarchy

I feel the need to scrub my browser cache.

I'm seriously concerned that I opened it and what could be coming my way in e-mails, spam, etc

57 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:16:11pm

re: #50 aug3

Former UAHuntsville professor chosen as Prime Minister of Libya

Dr. Abushagur wrote the following message on his Facebook page about Stevens:

"Ambassador Chris Stevens was a dear friend of mine, and of Libya, and played a key role in helping our revolution. He was in Benghazi throughout the revolution and was very instrumental in its support. The men and women serving at the United States Consulate were allies in our shared fight for freedom and democracy. I am shocked at the attacks on the United States Consulate in Benghazi. I condemn these barbaric acts in the strongest possible terms. This is an attack on America, Libya and free people everywhere.

There is never any justification for this type of action. There must and will be consequences. Those who were involved at all levels must be found and punished. These actions run counter to the very foundations of free Libya, of democracy, and of Islam. They are reprehensible.

Our revolution is not complete simply because Gaddafi is gone. Our revolution will be complete when our state institutions are strong, when heavy arms are in the hands of only the government and when our streets are safe to all - both to Libyans and to our honored guests. The government cannot do this alone - I call on all true Libyans to hand in their weapons, and to work together to make a better Libya for all. Our shared security is the bedrock of our freedom. This kind of shameful behavior - mobs using force on their own accord - cannot happen again, no matter the target or motivation.

My deepest condolences to the families, friends and colleagues of those unjustly lost last night, and to all Americans."

58 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:16:19pm

re: #42 Channeling Confucius

I hope you're receiving some sort of psychological care, and that you never delude yourself that any of those young boys would welcome your attention.

And I say this as someone who was raped at the age of eight by an older man.

59 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:16:41pm
60 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:17:19pm

re: #56 sattv4u2

I'm seriously concerned that I opened it and what could be coming my way in e-mails, spam, etc

If you get them just report them.

61 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:17:25pm

re: #59 Channeling Confucius

There's lots of other stuff in the blog. I guess you aren't interested in Churchill, just boys.

Wow, you are fucking disgusting. Not even an attempt to make an excuse.

62 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:17:30pm

re: #55 Gus

Good lord. WTF is that?

its called being banned. then we have to wash & rinse with ammonia.

63 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:18:37pm

re: #59 Channeling Confucius

There's lots of other stuff in the blog. I guess you aren't interested in Churchill, just boys.

"There's lots of other stuff in my freezer. I guess you aren't interested in ice cream, just human body parts"

Jeffery Dahmer!

64 chandsolo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:19:02pm

re: #59 Channeling Confucius

Are you fucking serious? You have a site like that and accuse others so casually? I sugest you apologize to me very quickly!

65 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:20:04pm

Man, today just got even weirder and sadder.

66 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:20:16pm

re: #59 Channeling Confucius

Are you freaking serious? Churchill? With those pictures in there? Have you lost your freaking mind?

67 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:21:15pm

re: #59 Channeling Confucius

There's lots of other stuff in the blog. I guess you aren't interested in Churchill, just boys.

Okay, do fuck off now. Putting Krauthammer in your pedo jerk folder isn't going to keep you off the FBI watch list.

68 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:21:26pm

re: #59 Channeling Confucius

There's lots of other stuff in the blog. I guess you aren't interested in Churchill, just boys.

If I would have went to your blog and the first thing I saw was just a page with small boys I wouldn't have stayed on your blog long enough to see anything else. I don't think a normal person would.

69 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:21:29pm

re: #66 Gus

Are you freaking serious? Churchill? With those pictures in there? Have you lost your freaking mind?

He's not just interested in little boys. He also finds post-war England fascinating!

70 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:21:54pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

He killed the link.

//// I wonder why?

71 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:22:38pm

Consultant for Anti-Muslim Film Provided Combat Training for Hate Group

Over the years, Klein has worked with a variety of far-right groups, including the Church at Kaweah, which the SPLC lists as a hate group. The Church of Kaweah is a secretive cohort of militant Christian fundamentalists in California who are preparing for war and who believe that churches should avoid government regulation and answer only to God. Kaweah has its own militia, headed by David “Dutch” Johnson (aka Dutch Joens), a longtime antigovernment veteran of the militia movement. Johnson looks forward to the battle that will begin when “Dictator Obongo” institutes martial law. He has called Mexicans savages “who can’t run their own government” and recommended sending guns to drug cartels to “decrease the excess population in Mexico so they don’t come north.”

Klein also conducts drills with the Christian Guardians, a San Francisco-based group headed by Andrew Saqib James, an American-born Pakistani Christian who calls Islam “a giant crime syndicate” and hopes his group will become “the most feared militia in the world.” The Church of Kaweah’s website has advertised joint trainings with the Guardians, describing them as a “unique system of learning how to survive the Muslim Brotherhood as we teach the Christian Morality of Biblical Warfare.”

Klein told the UK’s Daily Mail that Bacile is a pseudonym and that he knows little about the filmmaker but that he is committed to the film, “like the rest of us.” Klein said that he did not feel guilty about Stevens’ death. “It’s not our fault, we told the truth,” he said.

72 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:23:03pm

Appears the AP found the imbicile

[Link: t.co...]

hope this posts - not savy on device im using

73 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:23:06pm

re: #69 JamesWI

He's not just interested in little boys. He also finds post-war England fascinating!

This is either who he is or he's doing this as a false flag. Either way he's getting the boot after this.

74 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:23:29pm

re: #42 Channeling Confucius

As you wish.

Something to be ashamed of? If not, why did you kill the link?

75 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:23:50pm

re: #1 Obdicut

It sounds like these really were anti-government militiamen, and that I was wrong. I'm glad to have been wrong.

And I really can't believe that Romney decided that partisan sniping was appropriate, but since he did decide that, I'm not surprised that the snipe takes the form of a lie.

I think people in the US underestimate the cynicism and manipulative-ness of jihadis. It's to their advantage for the Libyan people and the Libyan government to be implicated in this event, and their fantasy resolution is a widening gyre between the new Libya and the US...preferably with some dead civilians in the mix to drum up resentment. As much as they posture as insurgents against the West, really their time is devoted to subverting all other power and influence structures in the Islamic world. They're not trying to defeat the West...yet...they're trying to conquer Dar-al-Islam.

These are not stupid people. They are not ideological berserkers. They're playing a long game, and their best trick is to turn our allies into their allies by constantly harping at (and manufacturing evidence of) the distinction of the Muslim World and "the West."

...which is why Romney and Palin military posturing is so profoundly dumb. The jihadis have particularly perverse and bloody-minded version of the insurgent strategy; having their non-supportive or partially-supportive host population ground down by violence is a feature, not a bug. Dead civilians create assets rather than subtract them.

76 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:24:46pm

re: #70 Bubblehead II

He killed the link.

//// I wonder why?

I can't believe he had the link in a first place. Reminds me of a guy who had a pot growing operation in his basement and also had a home security system which called the police when someone broke in.

77 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:25:47pm
78 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:25:47pm

i find it inadvisable to insert krauthammer anywhere

79 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:26:19pm

re: #77 Channeling Confucius

What planet are you from?

80 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:26:29pm

re: #61 JamesWI

Wow, you are fucking disgusting. Not even an attempt to make an excuse.

And he removed the link. I hope someone had the fore thought to archive it. It was gone when I went to do it.

81 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:26:35pm

re: #78 engineer cat

i find it inadvisable to insert krauthammer anywhere

Prefer a ball peen hammer, do you??
//

82 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:04pm

Can we please just get a monitor lizard to issue a temp ban until Charles comes in and drops the hammer?

83 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:13pm

re: #79 Gus

What planet are you from?

Planet NAMBLA, I'm afraid.

84 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:20pm

re: #77 Channeling Confucius

It's not really 'offensive' to display a fetish for underage boys, it's more morally and ethically wrong to do so.

85 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:31pm

I feel like I missed something. WTF is going on here.

86 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:49pm

I still have it on a tab but what's the point of archiving it?

87 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:27:59pm

re: #85 Petero1818

I feel like I missed something. WTF is going on here.

I only WISH that I missed it!

88 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:28:15pm

re: #86 SteveMcG

I still have it on a tab but what's the point of archiving it?

I already DM'd the link to Charles.

89 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:28:35pm

re: #35 JamesWI

Also, why does your name link to a site featuring a bunch of pictures of underage boys with their shirts off?

Holy fucking shit! That's beyond creepy and disgusting.

90 chandsolo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:28:39pm

re: #77 Channeling Confucius

I am still waiting for your apologies.

91 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:28:44pm

re: #85 Petero1818

I feel like I missed something. WTF is going on here.

Check post number 35.

92 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:28:57pm

re: #85 Petero1818

"Channeling Confucious's" profile linked to his blog, which turned out to have a lot of pictures of very underage boys in underwear on it, including some labeled with descriptions like 'a peach'.

93 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:29:25pm

(my reply and quote buttons don't work today)
Gus, can I ditch the tab?

94 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:29:40pm

re: #42 Channeling Confucius

As you wish.

It's still fucking there, you sick fuck.

95 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:29:41pm

Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck.

96 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:30:33pm

re: #6 Obdicut

He kept grinning during the little speech he gave, too. It was disturbing. He walked away smiling, too.

Image: o3ooQ.jpg

Nobody else is smiling. Not one.

97 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:30:54pm

It's back. The link is fucking back. You're doing this on purpose or you're a freaking psycho. Get the fucking hell out of here now!

98 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:31:23pm

CC just disabled the link on his handle. the page is still up.

99 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:31:46pm

re: #97 Gus

It's back. The link is fucking back. You're doing this on purpose or you're a freaking psycho. Get the fucking hell out of here now!

It's been on the original post the whole time for me. I think it must only take the link off for future posts. So I guess he can't scrub it completely.

100 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:31:58pm

re: #50 aug3

Former UAHuntsville professor chosen as Prime Minister of Libya

He was at Caltech the same time my brother was!

101 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:05pm
102 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:13pm

If you go back to post #25, the link is still hot.

103 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:20pm

O_o

104 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:23pm

[Link: outsports.com...]

im trying to find good news, and i did.

105 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:36pm

This is one of the more epic thread derails of all time, I gotta say. Hard to top this one.

106 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:32:54pm

re: #70 Bubblehead II

He killed the link.

//// I wonder why?

It wasn't killed when I just went there. That sicko needs to be reported to the FBI.

107 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:33:04pm

re: #102 SteveMcG

If you go back to post #25, the link is still hot.

It is. God damn it.

108 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:33:55pm
109 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:33:56pm

re: #102 SteveMcG

If you go back to post #25, the link is still hot.

I just clicked the #25 link, and was taken to a google "adult content" warning. Given what everyone else says about what comes after that, I went no further.

110 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:34:06pm

It never occurred to me to click on somebody's name before. I barely even noticed that some names were links ond some weren't.

111 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:34:22pm

re: #77 Channeling Confucius

"It gave offense, which was not intended."

Then you are denser than a brick of lead or Mitt Romney.

112 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:34:50pm

Well holy shit.

113 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:35:03pm

re: #101 Channeling Confucius

I disabled the link.

seek help

immediately

I'm sure I won't have another chance to tell you that in this venue, so I repeat

seek help

immediately

114 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:35:04pm

Well, this just kicked my PTSD up into high gear, so I'm going to be signing off for a bit. One day I'll probably be able to handle shit like this more gracefully, in like twenty years or so, but right now it's just reminding me that when I was eight years old an evil fucker decided I'd like it if he forced me to have sex with him, and convinced himself he wasn't forcing me. He's dead now, and i'm glad, but I'm never going to be able to not wonder what I would have turned out if that hadn't happened to me.

I hope that no more violence occurs and that the rest of our foreign service staff stays safe.

115 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:36:08pm

{{{Obdi}}}

116 funky chicken  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:37:01pm

re: #47 Kragar

New Study Finds High-Income Tax Cuts Don’t Stimulate Economic Growth

Really? Huh, and it's been doing so much for us these past eight years.

/

117 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:37:12pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Well, this just kicked my PTSD up into high gear, so I'm going to be signing off for a bit. One day I'll probably be able to handle shit like this more gracefully, in like twenty years or so, but right now it's just reminding me that when I was eight years old an evil fucker decided I'd like it if he forced me to have sex with him, and convinced himself he wasn't forcing me. He's dead now, and i'm glad, but I'm never going to be able to not wonder what I would have turned out if that hadn't happened to me.

I hope that no more violence occurs and that the rest of our foreign service staff stays safe.

{{{{Obdicut}}}}

I'm sorry for the evil that was done to you and God bless you.

118 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:37:39pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Well, this just kicked my PTSD up into high gear, so I'm going to be signing off for a bit. One day I'll probably be able to handle shit like this more gracefully, in like twenty years or so, but right now it's just reminding me that an evil fucker decided I'd like it if he forced me to have sex with him, and convinced himself he wasn't forcing me. He's dead now, and i'm glad, but I'm never going to be able to not wonder what I would have turned out if that hadn't happened to me.

I hope that no more violence occurs and that the rest of our foreign service staff stays safe.

If Charles wants to delete all our responses when he deletes the original offence, I have no objection. This is icky.

Obdicut, good thoughts to you.

119 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:37:58pm

I have been around here for 3 years, and I don't think I have ever by sickened by something I clicked on here...until this evening.

120 efuseakay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:38:01pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

How about... nothing.

121 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:39:25pm

re: #110 SteveMcG

It never occurred to me to click on somebody's name before. I barely even noticed that some names were links ond some weren't.

mine's totally cool. ie, pls click!!

122 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:39:51pm

re: #121 Stanley Sea

mine's totally cool. ie, pls click!!

I'm scared to now.

123 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:40:57pm

oh obdi. so sorry.

cc - leave. now.

124 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:40:58pm

Just keep in mind that it could have been worse, but then a guy like that is more careful oh fuck it. I hope we don't meet.

125 efuseakay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:41:20pm

re: #33 Bubblehead II

Actually, I think you may be wrong. The Super Pacs that have been financing him are founded by People Corporations who know when to cut their losses. Mitt just blew a big hole in his campaign and is now taking on a lot of water and no amount of damage control is going to stop it. His campaign is a sinking ship and I think he is about to find himself "Bained" by his backers.

Poetic justice if you ask me.

But then again, I could be wrong.

Had to fix that for you.

126 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:42:14pm

So here I am at work just thought I'd log into lgf on my phone and holy crap were talking about what?!?

127 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:42:16pm

I've been one of the so-called "undecideds" for the entire cycle, but today no more. I can not with a clear conscience vote for Mitt Romney. His remarks after the attack(s) were heartless to the victims, disrespectful to President Obama and, oh, that other little thing- lies.

I live in a red state, so my vote doesn't matter, but I guess my support does.

128 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:42:27pm

Wow! I've been posting at LGF for almost 11 years and this is easily the weirdest and most disturbing turn of events I have ever seen on a thread here.

129 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:42:39pm

re: #126 Mocking Jay

So here I am at work just thought I'd log into lgf on my phone and holy crap were talking about what?!?

Yeah....

130 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:17pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! I've been posting at LGF for almost 11 years and this is easily the weirdest and most disturbing turn of events I have ever seen on a thread here.

Ditto.

131 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:23pm

re: #106 Sionainn

It wasn't killed when I just went there. That sicko needs to be reported to the FBI.

Refresh, it's gone. The fucking coward deleted it. Now Charles just needs to delete his account and send the relevant info from his archives to the FBI.

132 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:27pm

re: #126 Mocking Jay

So here I am at work just thought I'd log into lgf on my phone and holy crap were talking about what?!?

No shit. I come back from blowing off steam with The Sims to find...this.

Oy.

133 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:31pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Well, this just kicked my PTSD up into high gear, so I'm going to be signing off for a bit. One day I'll probably be able to handle shit like this more gracefully, in like twenty years or so, but right now it's just reminding me that when I was eight years old an evil fucker decided I'd like it if he forced me to have sex with him, and convinced himself he wasn't forcing me. He's dead now, and i'm glad, but I'm never going to be able to not wonder what I would have turned out if that hadn't happened to me.

I hope that no more violence occurs and that the rest of our foreign service staff stays safe.

{{Obdicut}}

I've been in therapy for trauma flashbacks for years. Really, I wish I could do more than be a line of text.

Take care man.

134 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:36pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

Wow! I've been posting at LGF for almost 11 years and this is easily the weirdest and most disturbing turn of events I have ever seen on a thread here.

6 years here

same conclusion, though

135 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:39pm

And if I hadn't accidentally clicked on his name when I meant to click on his icon to look at previous comments, the sick fuck would have gone unnoticed.

136 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:43:55pm

re: #132 Targetpractice

No shit. I come back from blowing off steam with The Sims to find...this.

Oy.

My guy sets himself on fire with the microwave.
XD

137 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:44:26pm

re: #128 Shiplord Kirel

I certainly haven't been on here so long, but when I see a blog with photos of prepubescent boys in their underwear alongside Charles Krauthammer, Winston Churchill, and Victor Davis Hanson, all I can say is

just damn.

138 sattv4u2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:44:47pm

BBL (after I pressure wash my eyes and brain)

139 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:45:42pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

My guy sets himself on fire with the microwave.
XD

Haven't managed that trick yet. Think the funniest thing that's happened to me yet was having a meteorite crash down on my guy's house within minutes of moving him in.

140 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:45:46pm

re: #135 JamesWI

And if I hadn't accidentally clicked on his name when I meant to click on his icon to look at previous comments, the sick fuck would have gone unnoticed.

It's a good thing you noticed. Real creepy.

141 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:46:07pm

re: #135 JamesWI

And if I hadn't accidentally clicked on his name when I meant to click on his icon to look at previous comments, the sick fuck would have gone unnoticed.

Thanks for taking the bullet for the rest of us.

142 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:46:34pm

re: #31 Renaissance_Man

Glad to see you here!

143 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:47:11pm

re: #137 Dr Lizardo

I certainly haven't been on here so long, but when I see a blog with photos of prepubescent boys in their underwear alongside Charles Krauthammer, Winston Churchill, and Victor Davis Hanson, all I can say is

just damn.

he's been posting pages here forever. dont know if he let the mask off today, but something makes me think we just never clicked his name.

i want to move on. never been this close to sickness.

144 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:47:19pm

Slain Ambassador Chris Stevens Slipped Into Libya on a Cargo Ship During Revolution

During the early days of the Libyans' fight to overthrow Moammar Gadhafi, Christopher Stevens wrangled a ride on a Greek cargo ship and sailed into the rebels' stronghold city of Benghazi. He arrived at a time when the crackle of gunfire could be heard each night.

Stevens and his team didn't even have a place to stay, but found space in a hotel briefly, moving out after a car bomb went off in the parking lot, according to his own account in State Magazine last year.

Stevens, whose diplomatic foothold were a couple of battered tables, was on literally on the rebels' side while the revolution was at its most vulnerable and in danger of being crushed by Gadhafi's troops who were moving on the city. The threat was pushed back at the last minute by the intervention of NATO planes which began bombing Gadhafi's tanks and troops.

Stevens, who was elevated to ambassador four months ago, was killed Tuesday by militants in Gadhafi who stormed the Benghazi consulate.

Stevens "will be remembered as a hero by many nations," his boss, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, said this morning. "He risked his life to stop a tyrant then gave his life trying to help build a better Libya. The world needs more Chris Stevenses."

President Obama, who ordered flags lowered to half staff today, hailed the ambassador as a "role model to all he worked with and the young diplomats that strive to walk in his footsteps."

One of the U.S. Embassy staff members who worked under Stevens tweeted that he "was the best person I have ever worked for."

"I learned more from him in three months than I have in my adult life," tweeted Hannah Draper, who is in the U.S. on leave from the embassy. "He loved Libya and Libyan people. He died doing what he believed in."

In an August blog post, Draper said the ambassador was "legendary" in Libya because he stayed in the country through the revolution, "liaising with the rebels and leading a skeleton crew of Americans on the ground to support humanitarian efforts and meeting up-and-coming political leaders."

"Several Libyans have told me how much it means to them that he stayed here throughout the revolution, losing friends and suffering privations alongside ordinary Libyans," Draper wrote on her blog. "We could not ask for a better ambassador to represent America during this crucial period in Libyan history."

145 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:47:53pm

California man confirms role in anti-Islam film

[...]

Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found it and other connections to the Bacile persona.

[...]

146 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:48:14pm

re: #125 efuseakay

Had to fix that for you.

A valid point. Lizards, Please upding.

147 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:48:27pm

So, Sarah Palin tells Obama to go grow a dick. Well, she knows a lot about black dicks. Ask Glen Rice.
///

148 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:49:22pm

re: #72 Stanley Sea

Appears the AP found the imbicile

[Link: t.co...]

hope this posts - not savy on device im using

Very interesting. Looks like they found him.

149 Majacita  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:49:59pm

Is it safe to come out? My kids a marine and I like to read LGF whenever there is anything threatening, especially to the embassies. I've never read anything close to that. How long had that guy been posting here?

150 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:50:57pm

re: #25 Channeling Confucius

I know I'm stupid, but I can't imagine anything that Mitt could have said that you folks and the MSM would not have been all over like feeding time in the piranha tank, with endless self-righteousness.

You're fucking miles beyond stupid.

151 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:51:20pm

re: #149 Majacita

Is it safe to come out? My kids a marine and I like to read LGF whenever there is anything threatening, especially to the embassies. I've never read anything close to that. How long had that guy been posting here?

His profile says since 2006. I just figured out what everyone was talking about. Holy fucking shit, that is one sick pud.

152 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:51:21pm

re: #149 Majacita

6 years

153 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:51:48pm

re: #114 Obdicut

(((Obdi))) BIG HUG for just you.

154 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:52:55pm

re: #149 Majacita

Is it safe to come out? My kids a marine and I like to read LGF whenever there is anything threatening, especially to the embassies. I've never read anything close to that. How long had that guy been posting here?

long time - in the pages, rarely in the threads.

155 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:53:58pm

re: #150 BongCrodny

You're fucking miles beyond stupid.

10 years to life.....

156 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:54:52pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

The link I posted at #145 is the non-HuffPo version of what you posted at #72. You got the scoop.

157 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:56:05pm

re: #150 BongCrodny

You're fucking miles beyond stupid.

I'll go galaxies.

158 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:56:26pm

re: #154 Stanley Sea

long time - in the pages, rarely in the threads.

Here I thought his main offense was linking VDH and NRO all the time.

159 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:56:55pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

Pedophilia trumps those!

160 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:56:59pm

re: #144 Kragar

Slain Ambassador Chris Stevens Slipped Into Libya on a Cargo Ship During Revolution

Chris Stevens was a fucking HERO for democracy.

the cretins who danced on his grave for political gain, cretins.

i actually think that romney and palin did another blood libel moment today.

161 Majacita  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:57:23pm

I do want to say,"Thank you" to those of you who post new information here on LGF. I know it is subject to a 24 hour rule, but I feel better when I know more. I don't post very often because I don't want to intrude, but there are probably more people like me who feel comforted to know that other people are worried about or thinking about the same things.

162 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:57:23pm

He's blocked.

163 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:57:41pm

re: #156 wrenchwench

The link I posted at #145 is the non-HuffPo version of what you posted at #72. You got the scoop.

welcome me as a hatchling or something!!!!!!

164 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:58:05pm

Confucius say pics of boys in swim trunks belong in Lands End catalog, not LGF.

165 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:58:27pm

What a weird episode.

166 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:58:50pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

welcome me as a hatchling or something!!!!!!

No. of comments posted: 21,647

O:

No can do. Maybe a fledgling?

167 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:59:02pm

Did I really just see that?

I was out for a little while. I'm actually a little stunned by this one, did not expect it at all.

168 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:59:13pm

Enshortening occurs.

169 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:59:24pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

Here I thought his main offense was linking VDH and NRO all the time.

He is also a pompous asshole who once bragged here that he re-reads "The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire" every year. Make up your own joke about the implications of that...I am still sick to my stomach.

170 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:59:40pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Did I really just see that?

I was out for a little while. I'm actually a little stunned by this one, did not expect it at all.

Sick shit.

171 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 4:59:41pm

re: #158 wrenchwench

Here I thought his main offense was linking VDH and NRO all the time.

Heh for a while I thought he was a bot. But I've seen him get pissy with Charles recently because he thought Charles was being too kind to Obama.

172 God of Binders with Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:00:09pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Did I really just see that?

I was out for a little while. I'm actually a little stunned by this one, did not expect it at all.

Oh, don't worry, Charles. I'm sure the RWNJ's are already crafting their tweets saying you've been promoting pics of boys in underwear since 2006.
//not kidding

173 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:00:42pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Did I really just see that?

I was out for a little while. I'm actually a little stunned by this one, did not expect it at all.

youve followed his shit for awhile too. i think his blog was updated from the past. i also believe he lives by me.

174 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:01:15pm

Oh.
My.
G-D.

175 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:01:28pm

re: #163 Stanley Sea

welcome me as a hatchling or something!!!!!!

We will grant you a seat on the LGF High Council...but we will not grant you the rank of master.

//

176 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:01:53pm

I need a drink.

177 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:02:03pm

re: #175 Targetpractice

HeeHee she's a Mistress!

178 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:02:03pm

re: #172 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Oh, don't worry, Charles. I'm sure the RWNJ's are already crafting their tweets saying you've been promoting pics of boys in underwear since 2006.
//not kidding

And it will be *our* fault for clicking on the "I agree to proceed" disclaimer page.

179 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:02:39pm

re: #172 Changing Colors, Spinning Yarns

Oh, don't worry, Charles. I'm sure the RWNJ's are already crafting their tweets saying you've been promoting pics of boys in underwear since 2006.
//not kidding

I'm wondering if this was planned.

180 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:02:41pm

re: #176 Gus

I need a drink.

"I picked the wrong week to quit drinking."

181 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:03:09pm

re: #143 Stanley Sea

Same here. Yeeech.

Must have brain bleach.

Or coffee.

182 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:03:15pm

re: #178 BongCrodny

And it will be *our* fault for clicking on the "I agree to proceed" disclaimer page.

Which I didn't do, but didn't want to say because I don't blame those who did.

183 Achilles Tang  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:03:51pm

re: #131 Bubblehead II

Refresh, it's gone. The fucking coward deleted it. Now Charles just needs to delete his account and send the relevant info from his archives to the FBI.

I turned in CD's I found from a tenant once. They were prosecutable, and were prosecuted severely, but I doubt that what I saw here, as disturbingly suggestive as it was, was prosecutable. What I found was, trust me.

184 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:03:57pm

re: #178 BongCrodny

And it will be *our* fault for clicking on the "I agree to proceed" disclaimer page.

I seriously hate myself for agreeing...really felt like I was "toughened" by 15+ years online and being exposed to gross-out sites, etc. Now I know better.

185 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:04:24pm

re: #179 Gus

I'm wondering if this was planned.

Watch the stalker blogs, see where he ends up....

186 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:04:54pm

re: #185 wrenchwench

Watch the stalker blogs, see where he ends up....

I'll leave to someone else. I won't look at those places anymore.

187 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:05:09pm

What are the stalker blogs, anyway?

188 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:05:32pm

re: #184 bratwurst

I seriously hate myself for agreeing...really felt like I was "toughened" by 15+ years online and being exposed to gross-out sites, etc. Now I know better.

After 15 years in internet security, I can honestly say I've seen worse, but still... fucking hell.

189 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:05:35pm

Holy crap... I went to walk the dogs and get some dinner and it seems that all hell broke loose.

If I get it correctly, one of the less frequently posting folks posted a link to his blog and the blog was massively icky?

190 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:05:37pm

re: #161 Majacita

I do want to say,"Thank you" to those of you who post new information here on LGF. I know it is subject to a 24 hour rule, but I feel better when I know more. I don't post very often because I don't want to intrude, but there are probably more people like me who feel comforted to know that other people are worried about or thinking about the same things.

Don't ever think of it as intruding!

We are enriched by a variety of voices.

191 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:05:58pm

re: #114 Obdicut

re: #114 Obdicut

My heart goes out to you Obdi. Take care.

192 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:06:01pm

re: #184 bratwurst

I seriously hate myself for agreeing...really felt like I was "toughened" by 15+ years online and being exposed to gross-out sites, etc. Now I know better.

When I saw that warning, I figured the dude would have some pictures of women in thongs or something.

I wouldn't expect someone to actually broadcast THAT to the world. Which makes me agree with some of the people here who think it was a fake to try to implicate Charles or the site as perverts.

193 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:06:24pm

re: #182 wrenchwench

I can't just take someone's word for stuff like this, though - I did click through and look at it, and they were not exaggerating. I didn't see any outright porn, but I didn't look any further than the home page. Couldn't close the window fast enough.

194 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:06:55pm

re: #188 Kragar

After 15 years in internet security, I can honestly say I've seen worse, but still... fucking hell.

My revulsion has a lot more to do with what was implied there than what was actually posted, if you get my meaning.

195 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:06:58pm

Now who will post all the links to Cracked articles?

196 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:07:15pm

re: #188 Kragar

After 15 years in internet security, I can honestly say I've seen worse, but still... fucking hell.

You need to read the thing Sullivan posted awhile ago - police in child porn ops need PSTD treatment, it fucks them up. No duh.

197 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:07:44pm

re: #195 Sheila Brovlofski

Now who will post all the links to Cracked articles?

Maybe we can get aigle to do it.

198 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:08:12pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

Maybe we can get aigle to do it.

Heh. Then who will post CAMERA articles?

199 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:08:13pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

Maybe we can get aigle to do it.

If a bot can't handle double duty, nobody can!

200 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:08:56pm

re: #197 wrenchwench

Maybe we can get aigle to do it.

L O L

201 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:09:00pm

Sorry to go OT but just applied for a library assistant job. Part time but well paying. *fingers crossed*

202 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:09:46pm

re: #201 HappyWarrior

Sorry to go OT but just applied for a library assistant job. Part time but well paying. *fingers crossed*

Good luck man...

203 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:09:55pm

re: #195 Sheila Brovlofski

[Link: www.cracked.com...]

204 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:09:59pm

Jeebus. I need a drink after that.

205 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:10:18pm

re: #202 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Good luck man...

Thanks man. Just finished the application. Hoping I can get this.

206 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:10:26pm

Dear Lord...

I just read Obdicut's post.

My heart goes out to you. Be well.

207 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:10:43pm

Hell, i just clicked my name for the needed tonic.

208 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:11:04pm

re: #204 Charles Johnson

Jeebus. I need a drink after that.

I looked again. Mixed in with that page was Victor Davis Hansen and Charles Krauthammer.

209 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:11:28pm

re: #207 Stanley Sea

Hell, i just clicked my name for the needed tonic.

Stop trying to get hits.

/

210 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:11:52pm

Holy shit. I'm glad I was still trying to catch up before I opened the link!
That guy had absolutely no remorse.
Sick. Fuck.

211 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:12:03pm

re: #208 Gus

I looked again. Mixed in with that page was Victor Davis Hansen and Charles Krauthammer.

I saw that.

212 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:12:30pm

and now, back to that Romney/Palin dynamic duo!!!

what a shit show

213 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:13:14pm

OK, that ranks as one of the more unpleasant surprises I've ever had at LGF.

214 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:13:38pm

I need coffee.
sheesh.

215 chandsolo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:13:46pm

I don't post a lot and apparently picked a grand time to start!

216 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:13:50pm

re: #193 Charles Johnson

Passes the brain bleach! Enough to share with all!

217 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:14:06pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

I need coffee.
sheesh.

Hopefully that's an Irish coffee.

218 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:14:16pm

re: #213 Charles Johnson

OK, that ranks as one of the more unpleasant surprises I've ever had at LGF.

I wonder a lot about the world.

Really.

219 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:14:27pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

"He's blocked."

Good riddance.

220 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:14:32pm

re: #214 Varek Raith

I need coffee.
sheesh.

I need me some acetone. //

221 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:14:44pm

re: #218 Zionist Lord of Remulak

I wonder a lot about the world.

Really.

I try not to. Seen too much scary shit on the internet already.

222 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:15:11pm

I've seen a lot of weird shit on the internet over the years but this probably takes the cake.

223 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:15:11pm

It was like it was no big deal to him. But look, Churchill!!!

224 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:15:14pm

How could that go on for so long?

I guess this means that nobody ever clicks on the links that we put on our avatars.

225 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:15:25pm

re: #220 Gus

I need me some acetone. //

"I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue."

226 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:15:34pm

I smell a charcoal grill!!!! Really! that is the best smell. Starving....

so trying to change the subject.

227 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:16:17pm

I missed all the gross stuff since I was outside doing yard work. Glad I did.

At least now I only have to take a shower to get rid of actual dirt and grime. Ew.

228 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:16:29pm

re: #223 Mocking Jay

It was like it was no big deal to him. But look, Churchill!!!

Nevermind that, he had that crap on a public website and linked to it as if it was perfectly ok.

229 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:16:35pm

He was one the stalker blog's favorite too.

230 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:16:44pm

re: #226 Stanley Sea

Mmm, marinated Troll!

231 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:17:22pm

re: #167 Charles Johnson

Did I really just see that?

I was out for a little while. I'm actually a little stunned by this one, did not expect it at all.

It happens. They will eventually let their mask fall and the ugly truth spills out in one way or another.

232 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:17:35pm

re: #230 Dancing along the light of day

Mmm, marinated Troll!

he'd sicken us & we would die

233 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:17:39pm

This is the first Troll-B-Que I don't want to partake. Gamy is good, this one is putrid.

234 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:17:44pm

re: #230 Dancing along the light of day

Mmm, marinated Troll!

That must be what the acetone is for.

235 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:18:53pm

re: #233 Sheila Brovlofski

ok, nice new identity!

236 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:19:12pm

re: #58 Obdicut

I hope you're receiving some sort of psychological care, and that you never delude yourself that any of those young boys would welcome your attention.

And I say this as someone who was raped at the age of eight by an older man.

Seriously, lots of support to you.

237 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:19:38pm

re: #223 Mocking Jay

It was like it was no big deal to him. But look, Churchill!!!

I think that is what I find most troubling...crossing paths with someone SO mentally ill that they don't even bother to attempt to hide it at all.

238 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:19:43pm
239 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:20:01pm

re: #229 Gus

He was one the stalker blog's favorite too.

I saw that, too. "Daddy" quoted approvingly of a couple of his posts.

240 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:20:08pm

re: #179 Gus

I'm wondering if this was planned.

I was thinking that too.

241 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:20:16pm

New Obama ad about education. Looks like it could be a good one.

242 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:20:57pm

re: #235 Stanley Sea

ok, nice new identity!

I'm here to make sure that Kyle plays nice with everyone, even that Eric kid.

243 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:21:09pm

Allahpundit is outraged...
Report: U.S. consulate in Benghazi had no Marine protection

There’s not even a pretense of an excuse made there. Whether it’s S.O.P. to deploy Marines to “interim facilities” or not, this was no ordinary facility. It’s an unfortified building in a volatile Muslim city that’s been targeted by jihadis before — and it’s 9/11. Obama had no qualms about sending Marines to Benghazi today to reinforce the building; there’s no reason to think he couldn’t have sent them sooner. So what’s the excuse?

That;s because it was an unsecured building. MSG's and all their stuff, weapons AR 15's, shotguns, pistols, ammo, etc would be left in a simple lock and key building. It would be a goldmine for thieves and terrorists looking for extra goodies. All that stuff needs big walls and a permanent security presence which the consulate did not have. Many if not most consulates are the same way and it's been like that forever, including under Bush.

244 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:21:42pm

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

245 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:21:54pm

First the WaPo editorial, now the NYT.

Mitt, you callous loser with a fucking SMILE

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

246 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:21:56pm

re: #233 Sheila Brovlofski

This is the first Troll-B-Que I don't want to partake. Gamy is good, this one is putrid.

Bubbie, I need to think of something nice.

Please tell me how you would make some nice ruggelach.

247 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:21:58pm

Trying to gather my thoughts, but I'm just, well, I don't know.
The way it affected Obdi hurts my heart.

248 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:22:10pm

re: #239 BongCrodny

I saw that, too. "Daddy" quoted approvingly of a couple of his posts.

Constantly. Not that I've seen anything recent because I stopped looking in that septic tank. He'd been previously banned for something and they threw a fit and made a big deal about it.

249 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:22:24pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

And what does the mass nuke tool do?

Does it eliminate every post by someone?

250 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:22:25pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

Bombs away!

251 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:22:57pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

Good idea. Who knows what might be linked in his nic elsewhere.

Will it take out Pages?

252 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:23:33pm

re: #240 Zionist Lord of Remulak

I was thinking that too.

For a second I also thought his account was hijacked. Who knows. It's probably just him. Yet another conservative prevert.

253 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:23:35pm

re: #243 Killgore Trout

Allahpundit is outraged...
Report: U.S. consulate in Benghazi had no Marine protection

That;s because it was an unsecured building. MSG's and all their stuff, weapons AR 15's, shotguns, pistols, ammo, etc would be left in a simple lock and key building. It would be a goldmine for thieves and terrorists looking for extra goodies. All that stuff needs big walls and a permanent security presence which the consulate did not have. Many if not most consulates are the same way and it's been like that forever, including under Bush.

Consulates aren't generally built like Fort Knox, they're designed to be welcoming and to accommodate our diplomatic needs abroad. I can't imagine many of our allies would be thrilled to see us turning them into fortresses, no matter what the reasoning was.

254 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:23:47pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

... from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.

255 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:23:48pm

re: #242 Sheila Brovlofski

Wait... Am I Kyle?

256 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:24:21pm

re: #248 Gus

Constantly. Not that I've seen anything recent because I stopped looking in that septic tank. He'd been previously banned for something and they threw a fit and made a big deal about it.

I didn't go there. I just googled his previous "nom de perv" and found two references to LGF and two to the stalker blog. That was all I needed.

257 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:25:29pm

re: #256 BongCrodny

I didn't go there. I just googled his previous "nom de perv" and found two references to LGF and two to the stalker blog. That was all I needed.

I don't get people like that. Why post on something you claim to hate. It's kind of reminiscent of someone else who would rag on people here for talking politics when this is a political blog.

258 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:27:45pm

re: #246 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Bubbie, I need to think of something nice.

Please tell me how you would make some nice ruggelach.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

259 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:28:06pm

re: #251 wrenchwench

Good idea. Who knows what might be linked in his nic elsewhere.

Will it take out Pages?

I'd need to add that feature.

He never posted anything like that sick shit at LGF, as far as I know. I found 8 comments from him this year that had links to his blog, and deleted them all, but I'm pissed off enough at this point for the Mass Nuke.

260 Tigger2  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:28:31pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I don't get people like that. Why post on something you claim to hate. It's kind of reminiscent of someone else who would rag on people here for talking politics when this is a political blog.

Or run for Gov office when they say they hate Gov.

261 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:28:33pm

I don't normally troll for updings, but I'd like to see everyone go to JamesWI's #35 for the catch. If not for the accidental click, we probably would never have known...

262 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:28:41pm

Evening Honcos.

Very sad day for the Department of State and the Diplomatic Corps especially. We Americans take for granted that our State Department partners live in harms way around the world to further US interests and dramatically improve life for countless people overseas.

It is very "in vogue" to support the troops (and as a "troop" I'm thankful), I wish we supported the other parts of our government serving overseas as well.

I have worked with and continue to work with some great patriots at DOS.

I has a sad.

263 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:28:53pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Might want to check out who/what else only posts pages?

264 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:29:48pm

re: #257 HappyWarrior

I don't get people like that. Why post on something you claim to hate. It's kind of reminiscent of someone else who would rag on people here for talking politics when this is a political blog.

It's standard internet behavior, but it really is pretty much the same as going to some restaurant, waiting to be seated, and immediately beginning a rant:

Every time I come in this gawd-awful place I get a case of the shits that turns me inside-out for three days and I damn near go blind. And why can't you remember my name for all the time and money I spend in here? I expect better service than this pathetic half-assed slum seems able to give. This place sucks! I hope you go out of business and die in poverty! Now hurry the hell up and bring my order!

265 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:30:34pm

Full Disclosure: I have a blog. I blogged on it..um..twice. Three times? I can't remember how long ago. I can't remember the name of it or the password.

I learned that I don't want to make a blog. Too much work. I do recall that my sister-in-law found it a few months later and accused me of holding out on her. Then I explained that there was going to be no blog on account of acute laziness.

Still, it might still be there.

266 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:31:22pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

For Tragedy,

Lear The line about the seven sisters being seven because they were not eight, is perhaps my favourite in all of Shakespeare. Lear is also the most complex I think in terms of character arc and development, weave of story and impact.

For Comedy,

Much Ado About Nothing...

For History,

Henry V

The Saint Crispin's Day speech is the best pep talk in the English Language.

267 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:31:30pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

Wow, that's a lot of Shakespeare. I took two Shakespeare courses for my minor in college. Okay, anyhow, to answer your question. My favorite comedy is The Merry Wives of Windsor, Falstaff is such a great comic foil and I think this would be a hilarious movie and yet unlike the aforementioned Midsummer Night's Dream or Taming of the Shrew, I know of no adaptations. For the histories or tragedies, perhaps Richard II. When I took the course, I got to see an adaptation of it at the Shakespeare theater in D.C and I enjoy the historical parallels between the play and Elizabeth I and Mary Queen of Scots.

268 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:31:35pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

Which one's the shortest?

269 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:31:56pm

re: #261 BongCrodny

I don't normally troll for updings, but I'd like to see everyone go to JamesWI's #35 for the catch. If not for the accidental click, we probably would never have known...

Did you know that if you use the reply or quote button, we can click on the number in your comment and it opens a pop up, and we can upding it right there? It's a really nice feature that I totally forgot about until a week or so ago. You can also click on "Scroll to comment".

270 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:32:24pm

re: #266 Zionist Lord of Remulak

For Tragedy,

Lear The line about the seven sisters being seven because they were not eight, is perhaps my favourite in all of Shakespeare. Lear is also the most complex I think in terms of character arc and development, weave of story and impact.

For Comedy,

Much Ado About Nothing...

For History,

Henry V

The Saint Crispin's Day speech is the best pep talk in the English Language.

We lucky few, we band of brothers!

271 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:32:42pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

What's a Mass Nuke tool?

272 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:32:52pm

re: #114 Obdicut

Just saw your comments, after dealing with this fucking mess. I'm angry that this sick piece of shit brought all that up for you, at my site.

273 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:34:10pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

I am a fan of Tempest, but that's more because we had an epic cast party after doing it in college.

Henry V is a great play if you can get past the length. Maybe a well edited movie version like Kenneth Branaugh's.

274 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:34:41pm

re: #246 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Bubbie, I need to think of something nice.

Please tell me how you would make some nice ruggelach.

Here is the menu for the New Year's meals:
This is for more than one meal, obviously!

Honey challah
Apples & honey!
gefilte fish
grilled (salmon or rainbow trout, haven't decided yet)
Chicken soup w/matzah balls
Tossed spinach salad w/pomegranate
Beet salad
Potato kugel baked in individual muffin cups
Sweet noodle kugel
Sweet potatoes w/pineapple & apricot
Standing rib roast (or brisket, haven't decided yet)
Apple strudel
Apple coffee cake
Choice of wine: Bartenura Malvasia, Golan Merlot, my son's homemade dry red

275 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:35:00pm

One year we had a class of like 18 kids all achieve the 17 plays. It was amazing, and they are amazing kids. Allowing them to double-up (watching or listening while following along in the book) helps a lot.

The downside to the class is that as a Supportive Parent you get to go and watch middle-school aged kids put on a Shakespeare play.

276 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:35:04pm

Othello is another great one. Iago is probably one of the best villains in all literature.

277 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:35:22pm

re: #271 Sionainn

What's a Mass Nuke tool?

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

278 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:35:40pm

re: #251 wrenchwench

Good idea. Who knows what might be linked in his nic elsewhere.

Will it take out Pages?

He mostly paged articles from Cracked.

279 SteveMcG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:35:47pm

"We lucky few, we band of brothers"
What about the unlucky most? THe guys who had something better to do than to stand on some battlefield and face God knows what kind of brutality just so some fucking king can either keep his own glory or move in on somebody else. Lucky.

280 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:36:43pm

re: #278 Sheila Brovlofski

He mostly paged articles from Cracked.

And Victor Fucking Davis Hanson.

281 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:36:49pm

I really liked some of the Irish plays I had to read when I studied there. "Playboy of the Western World" by J.M Synge was probably my favorite. That play was so controversial in its own day that when it debuted in Dublin, people actually rioted. It still has one of my favorite plot twists too in all theater. Planning on getting into Chekov's plays eventually too. Got a collection of his his novellas that looks good.

282 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:36:51pm

re: #270 HappyWarrior

Here's Kenneth Branagh's delivery from his movie "Henry V"


With Brian Blessed!

283 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:37:04pm

re: #274 Sheila Brovlofski

Here is the menu for the New Year's meals:
This is for more than one meal, obviously!

Honey challah
Apples & honey!
gefilte fish
grilled (salmon or rainbow trout, haven't decided yet)
Chicken soup w/matzah balls
Tossed spinach salad w/pomegranate
Beet salad
Potato kugel baked in individual muffin cups
Sweet noodle kugel
Sweet potatoes w/pineapple & apricot
Standing rib roast (or brisket, haven't decided yet)
Apple strudel
Apple coffee cake
Choice of wine: Bartenura Malvasia, Golan Merlot, my son's homemade dry red

Bubbie you are being coy!

But yum.

By the way, I know they may revoke my tribe membership for this, but I have never been able to get the hang of gefilte fish. I am sure yours is "the best." Even so, every time I have tried to at least kinda like it, it makes me queesy.

284 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:37:08pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

It's the only way to be sure.

285 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:37:41pm

re: #279 SteveMcG

"We lucky few, we band of brothers"
What about the unlucky most? THe guys who had something better to do than to stand on some battlefield and face God knows what kind of brutality just so some fucking king can either keep his own glory or move in on somebody else. Lucky.

Heh at least in those days, the king was actually fighting in battle. But yeah. By the way, I believe that battle, Agincourt is the origin of flipping off.

286 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:38:05pm

re: #273 danarchy

I am a fan of Tempest, but that's more because we had an epic cast party after doing it in college.

Henry V is a great play if you can get past the length. Maybe a well edited movie version like Kenneth Branaugh's.

Tempest is my second favorite comedy.

Shakespeare's maturity really shows in it.

287 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:38:11pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

Many years ago, I participated in the "New Jersey Shakespeare Festival" in Cape May, New Jersey. We performed Othello and Midsummer Night's Dream. I was only in the crowd scenes, but I was the second for Hermia in MND and Bianca in Othello.

288 Dr Lizardo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:38:17pm

re: #273 danarchy

I am a fan of Tempest, but that's more because we had an epic cast party after doing it in college.

Henry V is a great play if you can get past the length. Maybe a well edited movie version like Kenneth Branaugh's.

My personal fave: "Richard III" with Sir Ian McKellan.

Masterpiece.

289 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:39:17pm

re: #274 Sheila Brovlofski

Here is the menu for the New Year's meals:
This is for more than one meal, obviously!

Honey challah
Apples & honey!
gefilte fish
grilled (salmon or rainbow trout, haven't decided yet)
Chicken soup w/matzah balls
Tossed spinach salad w/pomegranate
Beet salad
Potato kugel baked in individual muffin cups
Sweet noodle kugel
Sweet potatoes w/pineapple & apricot
Standing rib roast (or brisket, haven't decided yet)
Apple strudel
Apple coffee cake
Choice of wine: Bartenura Malvasia, Golan Merlot, my son's homemade dry red

Like the idea of kugel in muffin cups. All looks good. We have a tradition of Duck on Rosh although there is always a brisket too.

290 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:39:20pm

Do you guys think Shakespeare intended Shylock as anti-Jewish carnicture or do you think he was mocking the Antisemitism of the day? I've only read the play once and don't know too much about Shakespeare to really get a feel either way.

291 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:39:27pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

Like a roach bomb, yes?

292 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:39:59pm

re: #283 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Bubbie you are being coy!

But yum.

By the way, I know they may revoke my tribe membership for this, but I have never been able to get the hang of gefilte fish. I am sure yours is "the best." Even so, every time I have tried to at least kinda like it, it makes me queesy.

I used to make my own gefilte fish, back in the day. I HATE the jarred stuff, just HATE it, especially the jelly (UGH) but for some reason my mother-in-law loved all that gross stuff.

Anyway they make gefilte fish in frozen rolls now which is just as good as homemade.

293 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:40:10pm

re: #279 SteveMcG

"We lucky few, we band of brothers"
What about the unlucky most? THe guys who had something better to do than to stand on some battlefield and face God knows what kind of brutality just so some fucking king can either keep his own glory or move in on somebody else. Lucky.

They were home a-bed in England and held their manhoods cheap whenever one who was there at Crispin's day would roll up his sleeve and say " ON Crispin's day, I had this and this."

294 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:40:31pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Do you guys think Shakespeare intended Shylock as anti-Jewish carnicture or do you think he was mocking the Antisemitism of the day? I've only read the play once and don't know too much about Shakespeare to really get a feel either way.

Given the speech about a Jew being a man who bleeds and laughs, I say he was trying to make his fellow Englishmen think.

This was the era of Jews in the Well.

Ask Alouette about that one.

295 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:40:34pm

re: #244 Charles Johnson

Thinking about breaking out the Mass Nuke tool. Haven't used it in a while.

Well if you do, just watch out for the wind pattern. Fallout can be such a Bitch,

296 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:40:44pm

re: #289 Petero1818

Like the idea of kugel in muffin cups. All looks good. We have a tradition of Duck on Rosh although there is always a brisket too.

Duck is my favourite fowl.

297 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:41:07pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

Thanks, Charles. Sorry you have to deal with this shit, too.

298 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:41:22pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Do you guys think Shakespeare intended Shylock as anti-Jewish carnicture or do you think he was mocking the Antisemitism of the day? I've only read the play once and don't know too much about Shakespeare to really get a feel either way.

There is room for a sympathetic portrayal if that is what the director wants to achieve. Al Pacino's performance was supposed to be excellent, I haven't seen it but read reviews.

299 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:41:23pm

re: #294 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Given the speech about a Jew being a man who bleeds and laughs, I say he was trying to make his fellow Englishmen think.

This was the era of Jews in the Well.

Ask Alouette about that one.

Yes, I think so too. That's a powerful speech by the way.

300 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:41:38pm

re: #291 BongCrodny

Like a roach bomb, yes?

Except we don't have to leave the house.

301 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:41:59pm

Dr. Rice is the standard for professionalism and class.

How is everyone?

302 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:42:20pm

re: #280 wrenchwench

And Victor Fucking Davis Hanson.

National Review

303 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:42:27pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

Mitt Romney would probably like to borrow that if it can be adapted to work with his campaign.

304 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:42:36pm

re: #294 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Given the speech about a Jew being a man who bleeds and laughs, I say he was trying to make his fellow Englishmen think.

This was the era of Jews in the Well.

Ask Alouette about that one.

Jews in the Well was the 1200's, Shakespeare lived 300 years later.

305 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:42:36pm

re: #298 Sheila Brovlofski

There is room for a sympathetic portrayal if that is what the director wants to achieve. Al Pacino's performance was supposed to be very good, I haven't seen it but read reviews.

Yeah I want to see Pacino's peformance. He really is a talented actor. Reminds me, I heard he was playing King Lear in a production this year. Hope that was good because I liked that one as well.

306 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:42:39pm

re: #266 Zionist Lord of Remulak

For Tragedy,

Lear The line about the seven sisters being seven because they were not eight, is perhaps my favourite in all of Shakespeare. Lear is also the most complex I think in terms of character arc and development, weave of story and impact.

For Comedy,

Much Ado About Nothing...

For History,

Henry V

The Saint Crispin's Day speech is the best pep talk in the English Language.

toward the end of the first season of game of thrones, a usurper gives a great battle speech that reminded me of the crispan/crispian speech but the result is shall we say not exactly the same

307 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:43:14pm

Oh, have we had a nuclear melt-down?

308 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:43:18pm
309 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:43:34pm

I believe Edward I(the king in Braveheart) is largely held responsible for banishing British Jews. Richard the Lionheart I've heard was quite Anti-Semitic as well.

310 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:02pm

re: #307 ggt

Oh, have we had a nuclear melt-down?

Of a kind we wish never again to witness.

311 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:22pm

re: #305 HappyWarrior

Yeah I want to see Pacino's peformance. He really is a talented actor. Reminds me, I heard he was playing King Lear in a production this year. Hope that was good because I liked that one as well.

He was awesome in the movie of the Merchant of Venice with Jeremy Irons. Horrible story --my respect for Pacino's talent went up about 10 notches tho.

312 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:32pm

My favorite Shakespeare plays:

The tragedies: Macbeth, Othello, Julius Ceasar
The comedies: MND, Twelfth Night, Merry Wives of Windsor

313 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:38pm

re: #307 ggt

Oh, have we had a nuclear melt-down?

See #35.

314 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:49pm

re: #307 ggt

Oh, have we had a nuclear melt-down?

Think Catholic priest scandals.

315 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:44:57pm

re: #310 Targetpractice

Of a kind we wish never again to witness.

do tell, what post #

316 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:45:35pm

re: #315 ggt

do tell, what post #

Was #25, but we speak not of it any longer.

317 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:08pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

It's the only way to be sure...

318 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:11pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Do you guys think Shakespeare intended Shylock as anti-Jewish carnicture or do you think he was mocking the Antisemitism of the day? I've only read the play once and don't know too much about Shakespeare to really get a feel either way.

I think Shakespeare never met a Jew and was going for a cheap and exotic villain.

Yet, Shakespeare was too true an artist for that. His villain had to have motives and a soul - and his portrayal of "Christian" values could not be without open eyes.

In the end, Shylock loved his wife, yet the Christians think nothing of theirs. Shylock is a betrayed father - betrayed by a daughter who took on "Christian values." He would not have traded that ring for a forest of monkeys.

In the end, Shylock has been treated like dirt his whole life, and the "hero," the actual merchant of Venice tells Shylock he would kick him like a cur again.

Shylock snaps.

If this were a Hollywood movie, Shylock would be that quiet guy that finally fought back.

The genius of Shakespeare is that 90% of his audience would have seen the villain and just the villain. The other 10% saw something more.

319 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:12pm

Well, that was terribly unpleasant. Yuck. And sheesh. And WTF!?!?

Sure hijacked the thread, though.

320 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:14pm

re: #311 ggt

He was awesome in the movie of the Merchant of Venice with Jeremy Irons. Horrible story --my respect for Pacino's talent went up about 10 notches tho.

Pacino really is a great actor. Saw him play Kervorkian in a HBO movie not that long ago.

321 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:25pm

re: #307 ggt

Oh, have we had a nuclear melt-down?

A kind of mediocre poster turned out to have a horrible "secret" hiding in plain view.

322 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:46:38pm

re: #298 Sheila Brovlofski

There is room for a sympathetic portrayal if that is what the director wants to achieve. Al Pacino's performance was supposed to be very good, I haven't seen it but read reviews.

Al Pacino's performance is incredible and heartbreaking.

323 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:47:14pm

Apparently I was saved by a late meeting. How bizarrely creepy.

324 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:47:39pm

re: #277 Charles Johnson

It nukes every comment a user has ever posted at LGF. A last resort kind of thing, for exactly this kind of situation.

Actually, after thinking about it. Go for it. It's the only way you/we can be sure about it. Fall Out be damned.

Oh, DoD and others, go Fuck your selves, because you would do the same if this came up on your site. You know it and so do we. The only question is, would you report it?

325 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:47:50pm

re: #302 Gus

National Review

No. of Pages posted: 5,837

Not all rwnj stuff. He has a Ta-Nehisi Coates link in there. But I don't think I'd miss anything if they all went bye bye.

326 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:48:17pm

re: #322 The Ghost of a Flea

Al Pacino's performance is incredible and heartbreaking.

I just added it to my Netflix.

327 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:48:17pm

Titus Andronicus wins most disturbing of all the Shakespeare I've read.

328 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:48:22pm

re: #313 Sionainn

re: #314 Gus

Did someone send notice to the FBI?

329 PhillyPretzel  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:48:55pm

re: #323 jaunte

I was just buying some Benadryl at amazon. I missed most of it.

330 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:05pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Heh at least in those days, the king was actually fighting in battle. But yeah. By the way, I believe that battle, Agincourt is the origin of flipping off.

Perhaps the English version. Dante has the thief Vanno Fucci raise "the figs' to God from the 8th Circle.

331 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:30pm

re: #328 ggt

re: #314 Gus

Did someone send notice to the FBI?

Not that I'm aware of.

332 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:49:46pm

re: #330 Decatur Deb

Perhaps the English version. Dante has the thief Vanno Fucci raise "the figs' to God from the 8th Circle.

Ah I didn't know that. The origins of stuff like that kind of interests me.

333 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:50:09pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

I believe Edward I(the king in Braveheart) is largely held responsible for banishing British Jews. Richard the Lionheart I've heard was quite Anti-Semitic as well.

They pretty much all were after the Norman conquest.

Jews came back to England under the invitation of Cromwell.

334 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:50:13pm

re: #328 ggt

re: #314 Gus

Did someone send notice to the FBI?

As I related above, it was much more what was IMPLIED there than anything that was 100% illegal.

335 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:11pm

re: #333 Zionist Lord of Remulak

They pretty much all were after the Norman conquest.

Jews came back to England under the invitation of Cromwell.

Yeah, I remember Simon Schama mentioning that in his History of Britain about Cromwell.

336 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:11pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Titus Andronicus wins most disturbing of all the Shakespeare I've read.

What's for dinner?

337 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:26pm

Hi all..see the pedobear wanna be has been found and hopefully flushed.

338 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:30pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

Henry V for the histories
Lear for the tragedies
Much ado for the comedies
Tempest for all around champion with Midsummer as the runner up.

339 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:35pm

re: #336 austin_blue

What's for dinner?

Haha. Had a pepperoni sausage sub at Subway myself.

340 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:51:40pm

re: #334 bratwurst

As I related above, it was much more what was IMPLIED there than anything that was 100% illegal.

Some pretty weird shit. Photo sets no less. Some of them candid shots.

341 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:04pm

re: #338 William Barnett-Lewis

Henry V for the histories
Lear for the tragedies
Much ado for the comedies
Tempest for all around champion with Midsummer as the runner up.

That is exactly my list :)

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:21pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Titus Andronicus wins most disturbing of all the Shakespeare I've read.

That is the one play they tell the kids not to read.

We're talking 12 and 13 year olds.

343 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:24pm

No room for that kind of shit on my internet.

344 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:52:52pm

re: #336 austin_blue

What's for dinner?

One of those times where "your mom" is not at all appropriate.

CAnnibal husband to cannibal wife "And another thing! I hate your family"
"Well then try some of yours."j

I know...sick sick sick sick

345 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:10pm

re: #335 HappyWarrior

Yeah, I remember Simon Schama mentioning that in his History of Britain about Cromwell.

Manassah Ben Israel's letter to Cromwell, requesting the Jews be allowed to repatriate to England.

346 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:19pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Titus Andronicus wins most disturbing of all the Shakespeare I've read.

Saw Joseph Papp's 1967 version in Central Park--very stylized, with red ribbons tumbling from the daughter's sleeves.

347 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:23pm

re: #342 Mostly sane, most of the time.

That is the one play they tell the kids not to read.

We're talking 12 and 13 year olds.

Yeah, it's disturbing. Read that one in college. The three I read in HS were: Romeo and Juliet, Julius Caesar, and Othello.

348 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:36pm
349 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:53:47pm

re: #341 Zionist Lord of Remulak

That is exactly my list :)

If you get a chance to see The Complete Works of Shakespeare Abridged, do so. It's very very funny. I directed it several years ago for our community theatre.

350 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:09pm

re: #328 ggt

re: #314 Gus

Did someone send notice to the FBI?

I didn't.

351 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:14pm

re: #345 Sheila Brovlofski

Manassah Ben Israel's letter to Cromwell, requesting the Jews be allowed to repatriate to England.

Thanks. Always enjoy looking at primary documents.

352 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:24pm

re: #338 William Barnett-Lewis

Henry V for the histories
Lear for the tragedies
Much ado for the comedies
Tempest for all around champion with Midsummer as the runner up.

Ha! That is pretty much the list of Shakespeare plays I did in college, with the exception of Lear, it was always a little too daunting.

353 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:40pm

re: #349 PT Barnum

If you get a chance to see The Complete Works of Shakespeare Abridged, do so. It's very very funny. I directed it several years ago for our community theatre.

I used to have a tape of Shakespeare in a Minute plays...always fun to listen to.

354 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:54:48pm

re: #334 bratwurst

As I related above, it was much more what was IMPLIED there than anything that was 100% illegal.

Oh, I'll bet there was some stuff on his hard drive.

355 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:56:04pm

I've never been that big on Midsummer Night's Dream I must confess. I remember seeing an elementary school version by the class a grade ahead of us in grade school and I had to read it in college. Wasn't really a fan. I preferred as I already mentioned Merry Wives of Windsor which I think could be a hilarious on screen adaption if done right.

356 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:56:05pm

Can we go back to talking about what a dick Mitt Romney is?

357 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:56:28pm

Or Shakespeare...I can deal with that.

358 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:57:01pm

re: #341 Zionist Lord of Remulak

That is exactly my list :)

Saw that after I posted it LOL!

359 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:57:05pm

re: #353 darthstar

I used to have a tape of Shakespeare in a Minute plays...always fun to listen to.

The gist of the Complete Works Abridge play is three guys who know nothing about shakespeare try to present all of Shakespeare's plays in 90 minutes.

Let me tell you bout a brother named Othello
He liked white women
and he liked green.....jello

He was the mower of venice (actor pulls out a toy lawn mower and commits suicide by mowing himself)

360 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:57:13pm

re: #356 darthstar

"Thou mis-shapen dick!"
3 Henry VI

361 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:57:57pm
362 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:06pm
363 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:13pm

re: #359 PT Barnum

The gist of the Complete Works Abridge play is three guys who know nothing about shakespeare try to present all of Shakespeare's plays in 90 minutes.

Let me tell you bout a brother named Othello
He liked white women
and he liked green.....jello

He was the mower of venice (actor pulls out a toy lawn mower and commits suicide by mowing himself)

Oh yeah! We saw a skit of that the last day of my Shakespeare Tragedies and Romances course. Hilarious stuff especially considering that very day I had to with a few classmates perform the opening scene of Hamlet which we butchered horribly because none of us had any acting experience.

364 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:18pm

i had a particular fondness for the prince hal series of history plays when i was in college because of the emphasis on the strength that prince hal drew from making close friends with commoners, even though his father disapproves

but for those who ask me which play to start with, i always recommend macbeth - it's unbeatable for introducing shakespeare as not at all dry but a master entertainer - what can beat the impact of lady macbeth losing it and hallucinating the blood on her hand? it's as good as beowolf tearing off the monster's arm

...come to think of it i always think of beowulf when i hear sigourney weaver say, deliciously, "i'm the monster's mother"

365 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:26pm

I would say that I think Mel Gibson did a fine job playing Hamlet, but I'm not sure if he was acting...
Heehee.

366 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 5:58:47pm

If you cravenly exploit a disaster for political gain, you might be Mitt Romney

If you have the unique ability to talk out of your ass and both sides of your mouth at the same time, you might be Mitt Romney

Need a twitter tag for this..

367 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:00:17pm

COFFEE!
I haz it.

368 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:00:53pm

I was just about to say, and Rachel just said it as well, that Ezra Klein did an awesome job with the Ed Show today.

369 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:00:55pm

Hold on a second. I want to say something about the play the kids did one year that was about Twain and Shakepeare both, but I have to go and check my son's cast shirt for the name of it.

370 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:00:55pm

re: #360 jaunte

"Thou mis-shapen dick!"
3 Henry VI

" I will tread this unbolted villain into mortar and daub the walls of a jakes with him."
--King Lear.

"Jakes" was still the kids' usage for toilet at our school.

371 Big Joe  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:01:06pm

re: #356 darthstar

Can we go back to talking about what a dick Mitt Romney is?

Found this comment on Fark.

Romney should have said "We welcome Chris Stevens to the Mormon faith", would have went over better...

372 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:01:24pm

re: #367 Varek Raith

COFFEE!
I haz it.

I had some earlier..there's a nasty upper respritory bug going around where I am. May have to invest in a teapot.

373 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:02:06pm
374 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:02:53pm
375 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:03:12pm
376 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:03:18pm

If your idea of upward mobility is an elevator for your cars...you might be Mitt Romney

377 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:03:18pm
378 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:03:44pm

re: #369 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Hold on a second. I want to say something about the play the kids did one year that was about Twain and Shakepeare both, but I have to go and check my son's cast shirt for the name of it.

A Connecticut Yankee In King Lear's Court?

379 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:04:11pm

re: #375 Gus

15 Photos Of Libyans Apologizing To Americans

I actually teared up a little especially after seeing the Chris Stevens was a friend to Libya sign.

380 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:04:29pm

re: #375 Gus

15 Photos Of Libyans Apologizing To Americans

Is it just possible that the "Benghazis" who did this were really outside terrorists?

381 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:04:36pm

Anyone else seen the Ralph Fiennes Coriolanus film?

I tried it, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it, other than as a chance to watch a rarely-performed Shakespeare play. I mean, the acting's good, but the play is kind of spare.

382 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:04:47pm

re: #374 Gus

Image: enhanced-buzz-wide-9524-1347485629-17.jpg

Nice sentiment...needs a spell checker :)

384 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:00pm

re: #380 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Is it just possible that the "Benghazis" who did this were really outside terrorists?

All it takes is 200 people out of several 100 thousand.

385 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:24pm

re: #381 The Ghost of a Flea

Anyone else seen the Ralph Fiennes Coriolanus film?

I tried it, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it, other than as a chance to watch a rarely-performed Shakespeare play. I mean, the acting's good, but the play is kind of spare.

Heh heh..you said anus....heh heh

386 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:32pm

re: #380 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Is it just possible that the "Benghazis" who did this were really outside terrorists?

It was a coordinated attack with weapons. It's looking more and more like it wasn't a spontaneous uprising of angry zealots.

387 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:05:34pm

re: #381 The Ghost of a Flea

Anyone else seen the Ralph Fiennes Coriolanus film?

I tried it, but I'm not sure I'd recommend it, other than as a chance to watch a rarely-performed Shakespeare play. I mean, the acting's good, but the play is kind of spare.

Haven't yet. There's supposed to be a new "Lear" set in an asylum.

388 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:06:37pm
389 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:06:50pm

Holy shit.

I'm glad I missed all that. My son is 12 and my response to anybody trying to take "chicken" pictures of him would result in one or more very dead pervs and me facing charges for murder.

By the by, CC, if you are still reading this:

Get some goddamned help right now. Right now! The fact that you could not recognize that you have a severe problem is plainly fucking terrifying. Healthy adults Do. Not. Have. Numerous pictures of young boys who are unrelated to them. I do not know what prompted you to collect those pictures. I really have no wish to understand it in anyway. get the help you need and get it quickly.

One other thing...

Stop using the LGBT rainbow flag as your avatar anywhere. LGBT people are not interested in child sex. People who do are something else altogether. For that matter, you need to stop using your computer completely. If you collected those pictures once, you will do it again. Take a hammer to the motherboard, and then pick up the yellow pages and get a decent shrink.

390 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:07:40pm

Okay, here it is. Life on the Mississippi by Stephenson.

Huck and Tom go down river to solve a mystery and help out a family member. On the way they get hijacked into a traveling "Shakespeare" troop, which is one of the funniest things I have seen done with Shakespeare.

391 The Ghost of a Flea  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:08:17pm

re: #387 Decatur Deb

Haven't yet. There's supposed to be a new "Lear" set in an asylum.

Never seen Lear, actually. In fact, somewhere I have an unwatched copy of Ran....

392 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:08:49pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

Is it cheating to name this one?


okay then, Taming of the Shrew (w/MSND a close second). I definitely like the comedies a whole lot better than the tragedies, but I'm just shallow that way.

393 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:09:05pm

Interesting flow to the blog. We start off discussing Palin and Romney's latest gaff, an exercise that is very political and a tad partisan, then real life kicks us in the gonads just to remind us that some things are beyond politics. Once that threat has been dealt with we move on to the arts.

It's evident from that there is hope for humans.

394 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:09:08pm

"After Bin Laden got himself dead."
-Maddow

lol.

395 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:10:00pm

re: #394 Varek Raith

"After Bin Laden got himself dead."
-Maddow

lol.

But didn't you hear Rush, Al Queda let Obama kill OBL so Obama would look good. You gotta love how a Democrat in the White House means Rush sounds more like Alex Jones.

396 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:10:32pm

Windows update sure is pushy...

397 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:10:39pm

re: #392 sagehen

Is it cheating to name this one?

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okay then, Taming of the Shrew (w/MSND a close second). I definitely like the comedies a whole lot better than the tragedies, but I'm just shallow that way.

Hard to beat Hamlet.

398 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:11:02pm

re: #392 sagehen

Is it cheating to name this one?

[Embedded content]


okay then, Taming of the Shrew (w/MSND a close second). I definitely like the comedies a whole lot better than the tragedies, but I'm just shallow that way.

McClintock...classic John Wayne movie that bears a strong resemblence to Taming of the Shrew.

399 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:11:03pm

re: #390 Mostly sane, most of the time.

Okay, here it is. Life on the Mississippi by Stephenson.

Huck and Tom go down river to solve a mystery and help out a family member. On the way they get hijacked into a traveling "Shakespeare" troop, which is one of the funniest things I have seen done with Shakespeare.

There is a great British movie from the 60s, "Shakespeare Wallah", about a company of down-and-out Brits doing Shakespeare through the villages of India. The daughter is teenaged Felicity Kendall.

[Link: www.imdb.com...]

400 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:11:34pm

Seeing this sign makes me think arabic graffiti must be awesome.
Signs

401 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:11:36pm

re: #392 sagehen

Is it cheating to name this one?

[Embedded content]


okay then, Taming of the Shrew (w/MSND a close second). I definitely like the comedies a whole lot better than the tragedies, but I'm just shallow that way.

Hey! That's my favorite Shakespeare, too!

402 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:12:12pm

re: #356 darthstar

Can we go back to talking about what a dick Mitt Romney is?

Dissembling harlot, thou art false in all!
The Comedy of Errors (4.4.100)

You abilities are too infant-like for doing much alone.
Coriolanus (2.1.36)

They lie deadly that tell you you have good faces .
Coriolanus (2.1.59)

You wear out a good wholesome forenoon in hearing a cause between an orange wife and a fosset-seller.
Coriolanus (2.1.68-9)

More of your conversation would infect my brain.
Coriolanus (2.1.91)

For such things as you, I can scarce think there's any, ye're so slight.

There’s no more faith in thee than in a stewed prune.
1 Henry IV (3.3.40)

Hang him, swaggering rascal!
2 Henry IV (2.4.66)

I scorn you, scurvy companion.
2 Henry IV (2.4.115)

Away, you mouldy rogue, away!
2 Henry IV (2.4.117)

Away, you cut-purse rascal! you filthy bung, away! By this wine, I'll thrust my knife in your mouldy chaps, an you play the saucy cuttle with me. Away, you bottle-ale rascal! you basket-hilt stale juggler, you!
2 Henry IV (2.4.120-22)

O braggart vile and damned furious wight!
Henry V (2.1.100)

Avaunt, you cullions!
Henry V (3.2.20)

Such antics do not amount to a man.
Henry V (3.2.28)

He is white-livered and red-faced.
Henry V (3.2.30)

i guess that will be sufficient

403 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:13:22pm

Interesting...
Apparently the attackers in Libya all showed up to the protests in trucks at the same time.

404 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:13:24pm

Never a dull moment at Little Green Footballs.

405 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:13:35pm

re: #401 BongCrodny

Hey! That's my favorite Shakespeare, too!

I HATE TOTS. That is a horrible play!

406 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:14:16pm

re: #402 engineer cat

"Diseased nature oftentimes breaks forth
In strange eruptions"

407 Locker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:14:21pm

People who fuck with kids are the single reason why I'm not completely anti-death penalty. People who put up and enjoy shit like that aren't just fucking around.

This information should be (and maybe already has been) passed on to someone(s) who can look at it more closely.

Please.

408 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:14:36pm

Certainly looking like a coordinated, planned attack and not a spontaneous event.

409 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:14:40pm

re: #402 engineer cat

Great stuff in there.

More of your conversation would infect my brain.

410 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:15:14pm

re: #405 Sheila Brovlofski

I HATE TOTS. That is a horrible play!

Sorry, was unclear. Not Taming of the Shrew; the Doctor Who episode.

411 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:15:18pm

re: #405 Sheila Brovlofski

I HATE TOTS.

But they love you!

Image: tots.jpg

412 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:15:53pm

See you all tomorrow. My statistically significant other just showed up and I need to help her with chemistry.

413 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:16:01pm
414 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:16:05pm

Well I love Taming of the Shrew...

415 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:16:13pm

re: #328 ggt

Did someone send notice to the FBI?

Yeah, I did.

416 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:16:35pm

Today's Chronicles of Mitt in its entirety:

Hello, human diary. It is I again, Mitt Romney, your better.
I believe today went well.

417 Locker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:16:36pm

re: #415 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, I did.

Thank you, very much.

418 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:16:42pm

Two DDGs being positioned off the Libyan coast according to Maddow.

419 spiderx  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:17:02pm

i still can't believe a candidate for President would say that the sitting President is on the side of terrorists. That's basically what Romney said. And that degenerate swine Rience Priebus went even farther than that.

Of course, now FOX news will go in image repair mode and this will all be the mainstream medias fault.

420 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:17:05pm

re: #408 Varek Raith

Certainly looking like a coordinated, planned attack and not a spontaneous event.

Yes. They reportedly had heavy machine guns, mortars and RPG's. Libyan security at the consulate fought back and a Libyan militia tried to evacuate the consulate staff.

421 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:17:07pm

re: #377 darthstar

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I was going to go to this, but my husband had a cross country meet he was in charge of and I had to pick up my daughter from the bus stop. :-(

422 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:17:10pm

re: #412 celticdragon

See you all tomorrow. My statistically significant other just showed up and I need to help her with chemistry.

Is that what they're calling it...

423 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:17:57pm

re: #414 Zionist Lord of Remulak

I just bet you do!
*giggles*

424 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:18:14pm

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Is that what they're calling it...

The kids these days.

425 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:18:17pm
426 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:18:17pm

re: #402 engineer cat

Shakespeare insulter

427 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:18:43pm

Ugh, I'm starting to get another stress headache from arguing with wingnuts. I've actually got a couple right now trying to convince me to this could work out in Romney's favor. They're convinced that he could spin it as an "intelligence failure" on Obama's part, that he was "asleep at the wheel," and that he should bear blame for the attacks.

Things that make you wanna gargle battery acid.

428 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:18:52pm

Norfolk-based destroyers headed to Libyan coast

U.S. officials say the Pentagon is moving two warships to the Libyan coast, in the aftermath of the attack in Benghazi that killed the U.S. ambassador and three others.

Officials say one destroyer, the Laboon, moved to a position off the coast today, and the McFaul is en route and should be stationed off the coast within days. Both are Norfolk-based ships. They increase the number of Navy destroyers in the Mediterranean from four to five.

The officials say the ships, which carry Tomahawk missiles, do not have a specific mission. But they give commanders flexibility to respond to any mission ordered by the president.

The destroyers have crews totaling about 300. There have been four destroyers in the Mediterranean for some time. These moves will increase that to five.

Pentagon spokesman George Little said, "Without commenting on specific ship movements, the United States military regularly takes precautionary steps when potential contingencies might arise in a given situation. That's not only logical in certain circumstances, it's the prudent thing to do."

429 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:19:20pm

re: #419 spiderx

i still can't believe a candidate for President would say that the sitting President is on the side of terrorists. That's basically what Romney said. And that degenerate swine Rience Priebus went even farther than that.

Of course, now FOX news will go in image repair mode and this will all be the mainstream medias fault.

I really wish someone in the media would press Romney hard on this. He's been saying that Obama has done nothing but apologize for America since he became president. Would love for Mitt to explain dead Bin Laden and the other dead terrorists on Obama's watch but he would probably just try to make the topic about the economy.

430 Locker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:19:52pm

re: #427 Targetpractice

I believe the correct and proper term for that is "wishful fucking thinking".

431 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:20:29pm

re: #426 danarchy

Shakespeare insulter

Favorited.

432 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:20:33pm

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Is that what they're calling it...

LOL!

Seriously, she is working on basic molarity problems and she has a test tomorrow. I am going down to help her now.

Bye!

433 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:20:57pm

re: #422 Decatur Deb

Is that what they're calling it...

Who are you and what did you do with satt?

434 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:21:09pm
435 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:21:41pm

re: #407 Locker

People who fuck with kids are the single reason why I'm not completely anti-death penalty. People who put up and enjoy shit like that aren't just fucking around.

This information should be (and maybe already has been) passed on to someone(s) who can look at it more closely.

Please.

I don't believe in the death penalty for people like that, I believe in waterboarding.

436 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:21:51pm

re: #432 celticdragon

LOL!

Seriously, she is working on basic molarity problems and she has a test tomorrow. I am going down to help her now.

Bye!

Uh...the molars are higher up...but have fun.

437 Locker  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:22:18pm

re: #435 PT Barnum

I don't believe in the death penalty for people like that, I believe in waterboarding.

Can't we do both?

438 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:22:26pm

re: #432 celticdragon

LOL!

Seriously, she is working on basic molarity problems and she has a test tomorrow. I am going down to help her now.

Bye!

molarity? Is she studying to be a dermatologist?

439 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:22:45pm

re: #433 BongCrodny

Who are you and what did you do with satt?

Satt, CCA, and I work out every morning on the 6AM CST shift. Freetoken does the soundtrack.

440 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:23:41pm

I wonder if Channelling Confucius was Speranza.

Why, because he posted (over at the swamp, and first time I have looked there in a long long time)

Richard III archaeologists announce ‘mind-blowing’ find
by Speranza ( 2 Comments › )
Filed under Headlines, History, UK at September 12th, 2012 - 11:15 am

At pretty much the same time Channelling Confucius posted

Richard III Dig: 'Strong Evidence' Bones Are Lost King
Channeling Confucius
HISTORY • 10 hours, 22 minutes ago • Views: 216

It is just a hunch.

441 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:23:49pm

re: #430 Locker

I believe the correct and proper term for that is "wishful fucking thinking".

They're trying for the same tactic they deplored all through the Bush years, namely accusing him of not taking warnings about Al-Q seriously until 9/11 happened.

442 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:25:00pm

re: #441 Targetpractice

They're trying for the same tactic they deplored all through the Bush years, namely accusing him of not taking warnings about Al-Q seriously until 9/11 happened.

Well they apply difference standards to Obama. Weirdest thing I've seen is that a fraction of voters apparently believe Romney should get credit for the Bin Laden raid. Why, I believe we should thank Thomas Dewey for the successful invasion of Normandy in Operation Overlord. Well Wendell Willikie if one wants to get technical.

443 spiderx  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:25:03pm

re: #429 HappyWarrior

I really wish someone in the media would press Romney hard on this. He's been saying that Obama has done nothing but apologize for America since he became president. Would love for Mitt to explain dead Bin Laden and the other dead terrorists on Obama's watch but he would probably just try to make the topic about the economy.

the media just goes into he said, she said mode. They report that Romney says Obama apologizes for America but they never call it out as a lie.

It's never happened one time yet Romney has been saying it over and over. Wingnuts believe it because they want to believe it.

444 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:25:17pm

re: #438 PT Barnum

molarity? Is she studying to be a dermatologist?

Maybe she's a Three Stooges fan.

445 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:25:56pm

re: #440 Zionist Lord of Remulak

I think lots of the "old timers" over at the swamp still have socks. Or at least their posts lead me to believe this.

Waves to "The Bunny"! Hi Hon!

446 Only The Lurker Knows  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:26:55pm

Night Lizards. Much info to process.

May the Deity of your choice smile down upon you.

447 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:27:00pm

re: #420 celticdragon

Yes. They reportedly had heavy machine guns, mortars and RPG's. Libyan security at the consulate fought back and a Libyan militia tried to evacuate the consulate staff.

Earlier this year,
British ambassador attacked in Libya
Published: June 11, 2012 8:00 PM

CAIRO - A vehicle carrying Britain's ambassador to Libya was attacked with rocket-propelled grenades Monday in Benghazi, days after a bomb went off just outside the U.S. consulate in the eastern city that was the cradle of last year's uprising.

Two of Ambassador Dominic Asquith's bodyguards were injured in the attack. Britain's Foreign Office said the ambassador was not hurt, but the Libyan state news agency reported he was one of two people lightly injured. [snip]

448 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:27:20pm

re: #415 goddamnedfrank

Yeah, I did.

Thank you.

449 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:27:29pm

Andrew Sullivan won't be pulling his punches.

450 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:29:02pm

re: #445 Dancing along the light of day

I think lots of the "old timers" over at the swamp still have socks. Or at least their posts lead me to believe this.

Waves to "The Bunny"! Hi Hon!

Yep.

I am sure of it too.

451 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:29:11pm

re: #419 spiderx

i still can't believe a candidate for President would say that the sitting President is on the side of terrorists. That's basically what Romney said. And that degenerate swine Rience Priebus went even farther than that.

Of course, now FOX news will go in image repair mode and this will all be the mainstream medias fault.

Fox News had a photo of Mr. Stevens injured or dead right at the top of their page. They are the lowest of the low.

452 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:29:39pm

re: #451 Sionainn

Fox News had a photo of Mr. Stevens injured or dead right at the top of their page. They are the lowest of the low.

I saw that. Argh.

453 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:31:51pm

re: #437 Locker

Can't we do both?

I believe people like that need to be held in solitary confinement with a random chance of being sodomized by a large brutal inmate named Bubbles.

No idea of when it's coming, just knowing that it is sometime. Oh and they have to listen to Nickleback and Justin Bieber at all times.

454 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:32:57pm

re: #54 Kragar

Fischer Demands Mass Public Executions in Response to Libya Attack

Of anyone in particular, or does he just want some mass public executions, and this seems like a good time to ask for them?

Also, I see we, er, lost Channeling?

455 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:33:51pm

Two guys are on death row, and the warden says "You're both getting executed tomorrow, so I'm going to give each of you one last request.
The first guy says "Well I've always been a really big fan of dance music, so could you play nothing but Lady Gaga over the loudspeakers on my last day?"

Warden says "Okay. I guess we can do that."
He turns to the next guy and says "What's your request."
"Kill me first."

456 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:34:30pm

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

457 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:35:10pm
458 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:35:28pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

It was the smirk of someone who thinks he's pulling a fast one. As I used to tell my son when he'd get that smirk on his face "It helps if you believe your own bullshit"

459 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:35:45pm
460 spiderx  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:36:01pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

smirking mitt already becoming a meme

[Link: smirkingmitt.tumblr.com...]

461 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:36:02pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

He actually believed he was scoring points.

462 allegro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:36:52pm

re: #432 celticdragon

LOL!

Seriously, she is working on basic molarity problems and she has a test tomorrow. I am going down to help her now.

Bye!

I hated inorganic, still don't know how I got through it as well as I did. LOVED organic, like a duck to the pond. Ended up making it a second major.

463 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:36:56pm

re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist

Of anyone in particular, or does he just want some mass public executions, and this seems like a good time to ask for them?

Also, I see we, er, lost Channeling?

No loss

464 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:38:57pm

My line for the evening RE Romney's callous, smirking and dishonest remarks:

Maybe Mitt got brainwashed too.

465 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:39:53pm

The smirk was odd. Just seemed like he was just so happy to bash Obama just to bash Obama.

466 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:39:56pm

Joe Scarborough decides to rip Mitt Romney yet another asshole (he must have a thousand of them by now).

And the lesson is clear: If we want to win the battle of ideas in the long term, we should be willing to face the fact that Mitt Romney is likely to lose — and should, given that he’s neither a true conservative nor a courageous moderate. He’s just an ambitious man.

467 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:39:57pm

re: #414 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Well I love Taming of the Shrew...

It is an awful, awful play about wife-beating.

468 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:40:10pm

re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist

Of anyone in particular, or does he just want some mass public executions, and this seems like a good time to ask for them?

Also, I see we, er, lost Channeling?

If by "lose" you mean "kicked out of the car while it was driving 60 mph down the freeway."

BTW--this is why you do not see pictures of my children on this site.

469 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:40:23pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

it reminds me of the evident relish with which joe maccarthy attacks the young lawyer before welch says "at long last, sir..."

470 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:40:41pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

Ohhh it's been apparent to me for some time that he is nothing more than a callous, entitled, smug, superior, soulless creep.

471 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:41:37pm

re: #467 Sheila Brovlofski

It is an awful, awful play about wife-beating.

Or a romantic play about spanking... depending on your viewpoint....

But given the horrors earlier this thread, I have no desire to joke about such things further.

472 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:41:43pm

re: #467 Sheila Brovlofski

It is an awful, awful play about wife-beating.

MSND, which we just watched, has as it's basic premise the idea that if the young woman doesn't marry the guy that her dad has picked out, he's going to kill her.

I think it's just a plot device, but still...

473 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:42:40pm

re: #456 engineer cat

the thing that offended me the most today was not merely the poor taste mitt showed in criticising obama in this way, but the smirk on his face while he did it

it is the smirk which radically degrades my estimation of him

I didn't get a chance to see his press conference, but seeing the smirk now, it further reinforces my belief that the man is nothing more than an opportunistic shitheel.

474 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:43:05pm

re: #471 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Or a wonderful romantic play about spanking... depending on your viewpoint....

But given the horrors earlier this thread, I have no desire to joke about such things further.

I'm not into role playing.

Well, not THAT kind of role playing.

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:43:46pm

re: #208 Gus

I looked again. Mixed in with that page was Victor Davis Hansen and Charles Krauthammer.

I'm not a fan of either one, really, (Hansen less than Krauthammer), but dear God, they don't deserve such treatment.

476 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:43:59pm

re: #474 Sheila Brovlofski

I'm not into role playing.

Well, not THAT kind of role playing.

Bubbie, you are killing me.

477 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:44:21pm

I think that smirk was the smirk he gives people when he does the firings he likes to do so much.

478 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:44:58pm

re: #477 HappyWarrior

I think that smirk was the smirk he gives people when he does the firings he likes to do so much.

It's the kinda smirk somebody gives you when they think they've got the upper hand.

479 nines09  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:45:21pm

So I just read through this thread and I came to the conclusion there were two Seppuku today? Mitt in National News and (blank) in LGF News. Glad I missed the last one.

480 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:45:30pm

re: #477 HappyWarrior

I think that smirk was the smirk he gives people when he does the firings he likes to do so much.

I'm sure it is. He really thought he stuck one to Obama and was busy congratulating himself.

481 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:46:42pm

re: #479 Callinectes Sapidus

So I just read through this thread and I came to the conclusion there were two Seppuku today? Mitt in National News and (blank) in LGF News. Glad I missed the last one.

Except that seppeku would restore the disgraced samurai's honour. This not so much - in both cases.

482 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:47:40pm

re: #258 Mostly sane, most of the time.

So anyway, my son is starting a Shakespeare class in which they must read, watch, or listen to 17 Shakespeare plays over the course of a semester. You read that right.

Today was a 1960's version of Midsummer Night's Dream. It was a typical English production from the 1960's--lousy effects, great acting.

What Shakespeare play do you like best?

(Yes, I am attempting to give everyone something to talk about other than the Ick.)

Oh boy, that's like trying to pick a favorite Sees chocolate. There are ones I don't like, but so many that I do.

483 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:47:43pm

re: #467 Sheila Brovlofski

It is an awful, awful play about wife-beating.

"Kiss Me Kate" is a good alternative option since it's a play-in-a-play thing.

And from the 1953 version you also get Keenan Wynn and James Whitmore singing.

484 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:48:11pm

re: #461 darthstar

He actually believed he was scoring points.

He was. Every time he pulls this kind of crap he gains 15 percent of the electorate. Fortunately, it's always the same 15 percent.

485 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:48:32pm

re: #480 Zionist Lord of Remulak

I'm sure it is. He really thought he stuck one to Obama and was busy congratulating himself.

Yeah. Well this is the same guy who wants us to thank him for Detroit's recovery. You know the same city whose auto industries he wrote an op-ed urging the government to let them fail. The man is a narcissist jerk.

486 nines09  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:49:26pm

re: #481 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Except that Seppeku would restore the disgraced samurai's honour. This not so much.

Point. I used that term to show self induced. Actually I think the one I missed was a pin wheel through a plate glass window on the 20th floor fully engulfed in flames. Mitt gets no relief either.

487 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:49:38pm

re: #479 Callinectes Sapidus

So I just read through this thread and I came to the conclusion there were two Seppuku today? Mitt in National News and (blank) in LGF News. Glad I missed the last one.

I think "seppuku" is incorrect because it implies there's some sort of honor involved.

Neither one was remotely honorable.

488 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:49:50pm

re: #483 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

"Kiss Me Kate" is a good alternative option since it's a play-in-a-play thing.

And from the 1953 version you also get Keenan Wynn and James Whitmore singing.

[Embedded content]

I love this number from the UK production 10 years ago.

489 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:33pm

Wingnuts are spreading a recent Obama quote.

"I don't think we consider them an ally."

The actual quote being:

"I don't think we consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy."

490 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:35pm

re: #481 Zionist Lord of Remulak

Except that seppeku would restore the disgraced samurai's honour. This not so much - in both cases.

re: #487 BongCrodny

I think "seppuku" is incorrect because it implies there's some sort of honor involved.

Neither one was remotely honorable.

I am so fucking slow...

491 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:46pm

The wingnuts seem to be settling on "Why wasn't security beef up for 9/11?!" Seriously, let's stop and think about this for a second. This is looking less and less like a random riot, meaning there was organization behind it. And that organization, seeing security go from a couple armed guys to several heavily armed troops, might very well have just delayed the riots a few days. Certainly the video they used as an excuse was going nowhere.

492 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:50:57pm

re: #281 HappyWarrior

I really liked some of the Irish plays I had to read when I studied there. "Playboy of the Western World" by J.M Synge was probably my favorite. That play was so controversial in its own day that when it debuted in Dublin, people actually rioted. It still has one of my favorite plot twists too in all theater. Planning on getting into Chekov's plays eventually too. Got a collection of his his novellas that looks good.

I love "Playboy of the Western World".

Also would like to shout out for Fry's "The Lady's Not For Burning". There is an amazing film version with Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson.

493 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:52:03pm

re: #492 SanFranciscoZionist

I love "Playboy of the Western World".

Also would like to shout out for Fry's "The Lady's Not For Burning". There is an amazing film version with Kenneth Branagh and Emma Thompson.

The stuff with the townspeople and Christy Mahon is so classic. I had such a wonderful guy teaching me and the others taking the course about the plays too. The guy was such a character.

494 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:52:40pm

re: #285 HappyWarrior

Heh at least in those days, the king was actually fighting in battle. But yeah. By the way, I believe that battle, Agincourt is the origin of flipping off.

I've been told that is merely legend, but I don't know for sure.

Certainly, that's the end of the period in which the English were able to pull of a series of astonishing victories based largely on the unreplicatable asset of the longbowman.

495 Big Joe  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:55:44pm

Has anybody heard from Mitt since noon?

496 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:56:38pm

re: #495 Big Joe

Has anybody heard from Mitt since noon?

I was just thinking the same thing.

497 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:58:18pm

re: #290 HappyWarrior

Do you guys think Shakespeare intended Shylock as anti-Jewish carnicture or do you think he was mocking the Antisemitism of the day? I've only read the play once and don't know too much about Shakespeare to really get a feel either way.

I honestly don't know. The play is a comedy, in theory, and the final judgement on Shylock is so brutal, so gloating, that I can only assume that Shakespeare intended the audience to find it hilarious and just, else surely no one would have the stomach for the happy young couples making their way away from court. I certainly don't.

But then you I at Shylock's lines, you look at the 'Hath not a Jew eyes' speech, and I wonder. Barabas in "The Jew of Malta" is a broad racist caricature who smirks about poisoning wells. And Shakespeare gives us:

I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal'd by the same means, warm'd and cool'd by the same winter
and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If
you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the
rest, we will resemble you in that.

498 danarchy  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:59:02pm

re: #485 HappyWarrior

Yeah. Well this is the same guy who wants us to thank him for Detroit's recovery. You know the same city whose auto industries he wrote an op-ed urging the government to let them fail. The man is a narcissist jerk.

I am not a Mitt fan, but have you actually read the Op-Ed? He never says he wants detroit to fail. He was opposing the bailout the CEOs were requesting and said they needed to go through a managed bankruptcy(which they did). He didn't even write the headline, that was added by the NYT.

Let Detroit go Bankrupt

The American auto industry is vital to our national interest as an employer and as a hub for manufacturing. A managed bankruptcy may be the only path to the fundamental restructuring the industry needs. It would permit the companies to shed excess labor, pension and real estate costs. The federal government should provide guarantees for post-bankruptcy financing and assure car buyers that their warranties are not at risk.

In a managed bankruptcy, the federal government would propel newly competitive and viable automakers, rather than seal their fate with a bailout check.

499 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:00:44pm

re: #498 danarchy

I am not a Mitt fan, but have you actually read the Op-Ed? He never says he wants detroit to fail. He was opposing the bailout the CEOs were requesting and said they needed to go through a managed bankruptcy(which they did). He didn't even write the headline, that was added by the NYT.

Let Detroit go Bankrupt

Fair enough. He's still wrong to want to take credit for Detroit's recovery though.

500 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:01:29pm

re: #298 Sheila Brovlofski

There is room for a sympathetic portrayal if that is what the director wants to achieve. Al Pacino's performance was supposed to be excellent, I haven't seen it but read reviews.

I didn't care for it. There were one or two stunning moments, and Pacino is, of course, great, but it's hard to save the thing, and I didn't think it was that fabulous.

My mother says she once read a novel that was a sequel to the play, where Jessica has come home, and is raising her children in Shylock's house. That I'd love to track down.

501 Kruk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:01:47pm

re: #461 darthstar

He actually believed he was scoring points.

He actually believed it was right to *try* scoring points off the death of American diplomatic staff. Unbelievable.

502 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:02:22pm

re: #489 Gus

Wingnuts are spreading a recent Obama quote.

"I don't think we consider them an ally."

The actual quote being:

"I don't think we consider them an ally, but we don't consider them an enemy."

We don't consider most countries to be allies.

503 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:03:12pm

re: #435 PT Barnum

I don't believe in the death penalty for people like that, I believe in waterboarding.

Frankly, Well, I can't say what I think about this on LGF in a frank manner.

504 Kruk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:04:56pm

re: #494 SanFranciscoZionist

I've been told that is merely legend, but I don't know for sure.

Certainly, that's the end of the period in which the English were able to pull of a series of astonishing victories based largely on the unreplicatable asset of the longbowman.

"I can still pluck yew! Do you hear me? Pluck yew!"

I can think of a few Republicans I'd like to say that to.

505 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:05:55pm

re: #306 engineer cat

toward the end of the fiseason of game of thrones, a usurper gives a great battle speech that reminded me of the crispan/crispian speech but the result is shall we say not exactly the same

Best parody: in "Dark Ages" the local baron addresses the troops, beginning with "This day is called the feast of Engelbert," and it just gets worse from there. He informs them that they will show their scars, "and rigid will your relatives be bored", and informs them that those at home in bed "will think themselves right blessed they were not here".

506 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:07:11pm

re: #309 HappyWarrior

I believe Edward I(the king in Braveheart) is largely held responsible for banishing British Jews. Richard the Lionheart I've heard was quite Anti-Semitic as well.

Yes, Edward kicked the Jews out in 1290.

The protagonist of my Nano novel will be safely dead by then, as she's thirty-fiveish in 1203.

507 Kruk  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:07:57pm

re: #502 Mocking Jay

We don't consider most countries to be allies.

I understand the Pentagon has plans for such unfortunate eventualities as the need to invade Canada. :)

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:08:11pm

re: #327 HappyWarrior

Titus Andronicus wins most disturbing of all the Shakespeare I've read.

It's pretty intensely gruesome.

509 Someone Please Beam Me Up!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:10:38pm

re: #333 Zionist Lord of Remulak

They pretty much all were after the Norman conquest.

Jews came back to England under the invitation of Cromwell.

There were Jews in England in Shakespeare's time, they just weren't legal. It's unlikely that Shakespeare ever met anyone who admitted to being a Jew, but who knows?

People who love Much Ado about Nothing as much as I do, MUST see the Broadway Theater Archive version with Sam Waterston as Benedick and Kathleen Widdoes as Beatrice (available from Netflix last time I looked).

I'd say what my favorites are in each genre, but I can't decide. Really.

510 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:11:39pm

re: #359 PT Barnum

The gist of the Complete Works Abridge play is three guys who know nothing about shakespeare try to present all of Shakespeare's plays in 90 minutes.

Let me tell you bout a brother named Othello
He liked white women
and he liked green.....jello

And a punk named Iago,
who made himself a menace,
'cause he didn't like Othello,
the Moor of Venice.

It's a wonderful show. Although my favorite part will always be the scene where one man stands up to give a report on Shakespeare's life, and drops his notes, mixing them up in the process with the cards from a report on Hitler.

"When the Russians entered Berlin, Shakespeare committed suicide along with his mistress, Eva Peron. He lies buried in the church at Stratford. Thank you."

511 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:16pm

Tragedies:

Lear, Hamlet, The Scottish Play.

Comedies:

A Midsummer Night's Dream (But if I be an honest Puck..) The rest, meh.

The Histories:

Henry V. The rest got really political.

Oh and a Goulash tonight w/ beef, egg noodles and a kick-ass smoked mild paprika. A little Malbec on the side...nom, nom, nom.

512 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:13:57pm

re: #402 engineer cat

There's a moment in "Romeo and Juliet" when Mercutio comments that "the bawdy hand of the clock is now upon the prick of noon". I'd never noticed the line before I was teaching it to ninth graders. I laughed. The kids didn't get it, even when I pointed it out to them.

513 Greup  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:06pm

[Link: themittani.com...]

There were others killed in the attack. Stumbled in on this one over one of the other men killed. Apparently he was some of the more known players in Eve online. (Vile Rat was apparently his nick).

Sadness in the most unexpeced places.

514 sagehen  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:31:17pm

re: #507 Kruk

I understand the Pentagon has plans for such unfortunate eventualities as the need to invade Canada. :)

("1815, revised 1823. The calligraphy is beautiful")

That's one of my favorite episodes.

"Were shots fired?"
"Yes... but there were geese in the air."

515 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:14pm

[deleted, wrong thread]

516 JRCMYP  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:25pm

Obdicut, I have an 8 year old son. And an 11 year old son and a 7 year old son. I just want to put my arms around your 8 year old self. I'm so sorry.

And Charles, delete away.

517 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:43:10pm

re: #404 Charles Johnson

Never a dull moment at Little Green Footballs.

Always keep your audience riveted!

518 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:46:48pm

re: #454 SanFranciscoZionist

Of anyone in particular, or does he just want some mass public executions, and this seems like a good time to ask for them?

Also, I see we, er, lost Channeling?

Yeah, MikeySDCA apparently had a pervy surprise for anyone who clicked on the link to their blog. It was bad enough that I think Charles nuked (or will nuke) all of his posts on LGF...every last one.

519 CuriousLurker  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 7:30:33am

re: #323 jaunte

Apparently I was saved by a late meeting. How bizarrely creepy.

re: #329 PhillyPretzel

I was just buying some Benadryl at amazon. I missed most of it.

Ew, ew, ew. Glad this was one of the times I wasn't lurking. *retch, shudder*

520 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:21:59am

As an outsider living in Europe I am baffled by this story. Al Queda attachs a US embassy and kills an embassador on sept. 11th, and yet all the focus and condemnation seems to be on a lousy moive (?). The secretary of state appears as an excuse to herself and your Presidents response is very vague.
Meanwhile your other presidential candidate Mitt Rompey uses the opportunity to campaign for office in a very dispicable manner, and one of his allies tells your Pres to grow a d*CK?. I wonder how US will get out of this mess? The arab spring looks like it is turning into the arab winter. Surreal!

521 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 10:39:31am

re: #520 Peter_P3

In what way did Hilary appear as "an excuse to herself" and in what way was Obama's statement vague?

522 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:03:31am

Given the gravity of the situation (USA attacked by Al Queda on sept. 11th on American Embassy soil) I think it was bad judgement by both to spend any time and energy whatsoever acting as movie critics of a horrible hate-movie made by lunatics. Hillarys body-language and choice of words made her look like an excuse to herself in the footage I have seen. From what I have seen and heard about Obamas statements they seemed WAY too diplomatic and soft given the circumstances. The clown award of today goes to Romney though, who has shown an unbelieveable lack of situation when using such grave attack as an excuse to campaign.

523 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:10:19am

re: #522 Peter_P3

They didn't act in any way as movie critics.

. Hillarys body-language and choice of words made her look like an excuse to herself in the footage I have seen.

Please be specific. What words? Since English is obviously not your first language, why do you think you're interpreting that correctly?

. From what I have seen and heard about Obamas statements they seemed WAY too diplomatic and soft given the circumstances.

Saying that we will hunt down everyone responsible is too soft? In what way?

524 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:23:36am

Hillary said something like "We strongly dont recommend the contets and message of of this movie. For us and for me personally this movie is despicable and discusting. Its purpose seems to be deeply cynical: its objection is to raise anger and provoke a whole religion"

Now regarding Obama: You know very well that those were NOT his only words. When u soften it up by among other things talking about religious feelings being hurt by a movie on sept. 11th on the very same deay your embassy has just been attacked again by a set of fantaic muslims it seems like the focus is wrong. And he delivered in a "just another day at the office" kinda way that I personally didnt like. I was watching a documentary on sept. 11th that had finished and switched and saw his statement.

Just my 50 cents.

525 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:27:51am

and why wasnt the embassy secured when Al Queda the day before had announced revenge and it was sept. 11th?? I think the focus was wrong from the offset.

526 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:32:58am

re: #524 Peter_P3

"We strongly dont recommend the contets and message of of this movie. For us and for me personally this movie is despicable and discusting. Its purpose seems to be deeply cynical: its objection is to raise anger and provoke a whole religion"

Her actual words:

It is with profound sadness that I share the news of the death of four American personnel in Benghazi, Libya yesterday. Among them were United States Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and Foreign Service Information Management Officer, Sean Smith. We are still making next of kin notifications for the other two individuals. Our hearts go out to all their families and colleagues.

A 21 year veteran of the Foreign Service, Ambassador Stevens died last night from injuries he sustained in the attack on our office in Benghazi.

I had the privilege of swearing in Chris for his post in Libya only a few months ago. He spoke eloquently about his passion for service, for diplomacy and for the Libyan people. This assignment was only the latest in his more than two decades of dedication to advancing closer ties with the people of the Middle East and North Africa which began as a Peace Corps Volunteer in Morocco. As the conflict in Libya unfolded, Chris was one of the first Americans on the ground in Benghazi. He risked his own life to lend the Libyan people a helping hand to build the foundation for a new, free nation. He spent every day since helping to finish the work that he started. Chris was committed to advancing America’s values and interests, even when that meant putting himself in danger.

Sean Smith was a husband and a father of two, who joined the Department ten years ago. Like Chris, Sean was one of our best. Prior to arriving in Benghazi, he served in Baghdad, Pretoria, Montreal, and most recently The Hague.

All the Americans we lost in yesterday’s attacks made the ultimate sacrifice. We condemn this vicious and violent attack that took their lives, which they had committed to helping the Libyan people reach for a better future.

America’s diplomats and development experts stand on the front lines every day for our country. We are honored by the service of each and every one of them.

So why are you lying about what she said?

And Obama said:

While the United States rejects efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others, we must all unequivocally oppose the kind of senseless violence that took the lives of these public servants.

Which is nothing like what you're painting it as.

Where are you from?

527 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:33:34am

re: #525 Peter_P3

and why wasnt the embassy secured when Al Queda the day before had announced revenge and it was sept. 11th?? I think the focus was wrong from the offset.

This was the consulate, not the embassy. Why do you know so little about a subject you're so passionate about?

528 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:44:23am

Obdicut: I am not lying at all. I have seen a statement like the mentioned by Hillary today in the Media here (Denmark - why does it matter where I am from?). Are you claiming hillary has NOT talked about the Mo movie ?????? Whattttt???
Initially it was my english that was a problem - yes it is not my 1st language but why is it relevant for assesing BODY language? Pretty universal I think. You have a go at danish and we can talk..:-)
Consulate or Embassy? BIG DIFFERENCE?? So on sept. 11th you dont secure your representations abroad in very violent countries?.. OKKKK.
I think you are going after the messenger rather than the subject.
Passionate about? That is your enterpretation, just like I was entitled to my enterpretation of Hillarys body language and statement. She was reading from a paper - u didnt see that clip at all??

529 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 11:47:19am

BTW it was the embassador that got killed not the consule. He should have diplimatic immunity and be secured / protected by the USA nomatter where he was but esp. in Libya.

530 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 1:04:13pm

re: #528 Peter_P3

You're kind of losing your shit, dude.

Hilary's statement that you're referencing was during some talks with Moroccan officials. It wasn't here statement to the American public or the world about the incident. And yeah, she criticized the terribly bigoted, shitty movie. Because it deserves to be criticized, and one of the burdens of free speech is that sometimes your own citizens come up with shit so terrible that you have to condemn it.

Consulate or Embassy? BIG DIFFERENCE?? So on sept. 11th you dont secure your representations abroad in very violent countries?.. OKKKK.

This is your attempt to sympathize with America's loss? By telling us it's our fault that we didn't secure our consulate better? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I think you are going after the messenger rather than the subject.
Passionate about? That is your enterpretation, just like I was entitled to my enterpretation of Hillarys body language and statement. She was reading from a paper - u didnt see that clip at all??

I did. Her tone was somber and respectful, unlike yours, which is arrogant and lecturing. I can't believe the amount of snobbery that you're engaging in.

BTW it was the embassador that got killed not the consule.

Dude, no. Our ambassador was in the consulate. Not the embassy. The embassy is different from the consulate, and there is no such thing as an embassador. Please don't add to your fucking problems by trying to correct my English.

531 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:23:09pm

I think this thread is taking a very bad turn now so I better leave now. I didnt mean to be lecturing or arrogant in any way. I just dont think this has been handled very well - I can´t believe that something so crucial as rape and murder can happen to an american ambassador in a country like Lybia on sept. 11th. The security must have failed immensely. And Yes I did find the message out from the embassy in Egypt to be misplaced and badly timed. As I said in my initail post I still think Romney has been handling this the worst way and I would never vote for him if I lived in the US. Obama is way better as a leader but not perfect like u seem to portray him.

532 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:27:00pm

re: #531 Peter_P3

You don't mean to be lecturing or arrogant, you're just not going to even give the US time to mourn before you tell us that this was our fault and that we're handling it all badly. Seriously, are you even listening to what you're saying?

And Yes I did find the message out from the embassy in Egypt to be misplaced and badly timed.

It was slightly badly worded, and it didn't come from Obama or Clinton. And the people in the embassy are the ones in actual danger.

Obama is way better as a leader but not perfect like u seem to portray him.

Show me anything, anything at all, in the least, that indicates I think Obama is perfect. Just one statement by me that's even positive about Obama in this thread. Just one.

533 Peter_P3  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:54:12pm

You reacted so strong to my very small critizism of Obama and the administrations handling of this situation - and I took it as an immunization to any criticism whatsoever, because you instantly 3rd degreed me about my language, nationality, knowledge etc.

Tell me : Do you think the article that everyone praises in this thread and 99,9% of the comments are very balanced? I personally think it is arrogant and condesending because it is so one-sided. I have been following LGF for years now and I think the tone has gotten very rough recently, and non-inclusive in here. Agressive to say the least.

534 Obdicut  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:00:56pm

re: #533 Peter_P3

You reacted so strong to my very small critizism of Obama and the administrations handling of this situation - and I took it as an immunization to any criticism whatsoever, because you instantly 3rd degreed me about my language, nationality, knowledge etc.
.

Yeah, you overreacted really badly, which led to you making the stupid accusation that I think Obama is perfect. But why'd you overreact so badly? Do you think lecturing Americans right after we've lost four of our people to an attack is smart?

Tell me : Do you think the article that everyone praises in this thread and 99,9% of the comments are very balanced?

Balanced between what and what? Yeah, I disagree with you and think Obama's statement was fine. The US does depend on religious tolerance, it is a cornerstone of our Democracy, but free speech is more important and violence isn't the solution. No clue why you have such a big fucking problem with American ideals.

I personally think it is arrogant and condesending because it is so one-sided.

Condescending to whom?

I have been following LGF for years now and I think the tone has gotten very rough recently, and non-inclusive in here. Agressive to say the least.

Oh my stars and garters, not people being aggressive! What will be next? I might even say I think something is unethical, rather than everyone being entitled to their own opinion. Next thing you know, I'll be believing in right and wrong and justice and truth and all sorts of crazy shit.


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