1 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:56:47pm

That last thread was a classic, but it's good to be out in the fresh air.

2 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:57:00pm

If this was discussed earlier, I apologize for the repost.

5 more charged in Ft. Stewart military militia case

SAVANNAH — Four former Army soldiers and a civilian have been charged in new indictments for connections to an anti-government militia that authorities say was led by Fort Stewart troops who stockpiled weapons and talked of ultimately overthrowing the U.S. government.

A Liberty County grand jury indicted the five on charges of illegal gang activity and various counts involving theft, burglary and auto break-ins. Those crimes were committed to help fund the militia group, which called itself F.E.A.R., short for Forever Enduring Always Ready, District Attorney Tom Durden said Tuesday.

"The burglaries and entering autos, they were committed in an effort to fund F.E.A.R. and what F.E.A.R. was at least advocating they wanted to accomplish," said Durden, the top prosecutor for southeast Georgia's Atlantic Judicial Circuit. Their plans included bombing a Savannah park fountain and poisoning apple crops in the state of Washington, prosecutors say.

The new indictments Monday bring to 10 the total number of people charged in connection with the militia group.

3 Sionainn  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 6:57:52pm

I'm just sick and disgusted by what I've seen today. I hate people sometimes.

Hope you all have a nice evening.

4 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:00:28pm

Continuing the Shakespeare riff. PBS in Pittsburgh used to show this as filler on occasion. Classic stuff by Aardman Animation.

5 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:01:02pm
6 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:01:32pm

I honestly could have done without the events of the last 48 hours. If I take anything away from all that has happened, it's that Mitt Romney has done serious damage to whatever chances he still had left to win this election. I just wish people hadn't had to die for it to be possible.

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:02:03pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I honestly could have done without the events of the last 48 hours. If I take anything away from all that has happened, it's that Mitt Romney has done serious damage to whatever chances he still had left to win this election. I just wish people hadn't had to die for it to be possible.

I wish it would have been people actually paying attention to the guy's words and actions.

8 simoom  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:02:48pm

David Frum -
Romney: No Apology for Misguided Obama Slam?

Politicians must pander, it goes with the job. But they mustn't leave their fingerprints all over their pandering. The Romney campaign's attempt to score political points on the killing of American diplomats was a dismal business in every respect. Disregarding every other aspect, however, it was graceless and stupid as a matter of politics.

The incident reminds of one other thing: the dangerously distorting effect of disrespect for one's political opponents.

9 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:03:33pm

re: #8 simoom

David Frum -
Romney: No Apology for Misguided Obama Slam?

Mitt Romney would never apologize or retract. He's like your average right wing blogger.

10 Strangeite  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:03:40pm

It is reassuring that all of my progressive friends are terrified that Romney might win this election. I live in one of the reddest of red states, so the baseline is skewed but refreshing to see people so horrified and motivated.

I now see no numerical path to victory for Romney. Also glad my friends don't see it that way.

11 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:03:49pm

Niman hao, mein scaly amigos, and greetings from Texas!

Been a while since i had the opportunity to stop by.

Rather a solemn mood today, and this understandably so.

12 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:04:26pm

I'm going to stick my neck out with a wild speculation! "Steve Klein" is "Sam Bacile"

(And the fact that "Klein/Bacile" claimed to be an Israeli Jew when he's an American Christian is disgusting.)

13 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:07:46pm

re: #11 Guanxi88

Niman hao, mein scaly amigos, and greetings from Texas!

Been a while since i had the opportunity to stop by.

Rather a solemn mood today, and this understandably so.

It lives!

14 simoom  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:08:16pm

re: #12 ReamWorks SKG

I'm going to stick my neck out with a wild speculation! "Steve Klein" is "Sam Basile"

He's this guy:

[Link: www.google.com...]

Nakoula Basseley Nakoula, 55, told The Associated Press in an interview outside Los Angeles that he was manager for the company that produced "Innocence of Muslims," which mocked Muslims and the prophet Muhammad and may have caused inflamed mobs that attacked U.S. missions in Egypt and Libya. He provided the first details about a shadowy production group behind the film.

Nakoula denied he directed the film and said he knew the self-described filmmaker, Sam Bacile. But the cellphone number that AP contacted Tuesday to reach the filmmaker who identified himself as Sam Bacile traced to the same address near Los Angeles where AP found Nakoula. Federal court papers said Nakoula's aliases included Nicola Bacily, Erwin Salameh and others.

Nakoula told the AP that he was a Coptic Christian and said the film's director supported the concerns of Christian Copts about their treatment by Muslims.

Nakoula denied he had posed as Bacile. During a conversation outside his home, he offered his driver's license to show his identity but kept his thumb over his middle name, Basseley. Records checks by the AP subsequently found it and other connections to the Bacile persona.

15 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:08:20pm

re: #12 ReamWorks SKG

I'm going to stick my neck out with a wild speculation! "Steve Klein" is "Sam Basile"

The Filmmaker Who Wasn't

16 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:08:25pm

DailyKos has a nice summary

[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

17 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:08:56pm

re: #12 ReamWorks SKG

I'm going to stick my neck out with a wild speculation! "Steve Klein" is "Sam Bacile"

(And the fact that "Klein/Bacile" claimed to be an Israeli Jew when he's an American Christian is disgusting.)

I suggested that this morning, but now it seems that "Sam Bacile" is a Coptic named Nakoula Basseley Nakoula.

18 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:09:21pm

Looks like we're all on the same page.

19 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:09:49pm

I will say that I am most pleased that the support - air-strikes, etc. - that we provided to the anti-Qaddafi forces have served to endear us to the forces of the Arab Spring, that great and spontaneous flowering of the democratic spirit in North Africa and the Mid-East.

I note similar encouraging displays in Cairo and see that the State Department have issued notices advising Americans abroad in the newly-liberated regions of similar celebrations throughout the ummah.

20 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:11:20pm

Ok, Sheila. Maybe I'm wrong! But he certainly seemed phony in those interviews when he claimed to be in communication with Bacile. He acted like a 10-year-old playing a prank.

21 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:11:22pm

Since it's an open thread, a brief job search update -- I had an interview with a bank the other day for a financial advisor role, but I'm not confident with it. If I don't get that one, I won't shed any tears. I had filled the application out months ago and had forgotten all about it, so the fact that I've made it this far with them is an accomplishment all by itself.

The software translation company I really want to work for got back in touch today. The hiring manager will be in Austin on the 27th and we're going to meet face to face. I'm excited! I hope it goes well.

Applications are still going out regardless. Until I've got something nailed down and set in stone, I'm going to keep looking at what's out there.

22 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:41pm

In other, domestic news - I've entered into negotiations for the purchase of what can be described, generously, as the new Guanxi88 GHQ - about 5 acres of unimproved agricultural land.

For years, I'd joked that subsistence farming looked to be an attractive career-path, and it seems the time is ripe, as it were.

23 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:56pm

I just wish everyone would stop blaming the Jews! Especially Christians! Don't they observe the commandment about bearing false witness, too? Or can they just do it and get forgiven later. I'm not sure how it works.

24 aagcobb  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:12:58pm

re: #19 Guanxi88

If you check the previous thread, there are a lot of folks in Libya who are horrified by what happened.

25 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:13:20pm

re: #19 Guanxi88

I will say that I am most pleased that the support - air-strikes, etc. - that we provided to the anti-Qaddafi forces have served to endear us to the forces of the Arab Spring, that great and spontaneous flowering of the democratic spirit in North Africa and the Mid-East.

I note similar encouraging displays in Cairo and see that the State Department have issued notices advising Americans abroad in the newly-liberated regions of similar celebrations throughout the ummah.

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26 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:13:32pm

Further news coming out about the attack, lending credence to the belief that the whole thing was planned:

US troops 'ambushed' at safe house

A squad of US troops despatched by helicopter across the Libyan desert to rescue besieged diplomats from Benghazi ran into a fierce overnight ambush that left a soldier and another American dead, Libyan officials said.

Accounts of the mayhem at the US consulate, where ambassador Christopher Stevens and a fourth American died after a chaotic protest over a film insulting to Islam, remain patchy.

But two Libyan officials, including the commander of a security force which escorted the US rescuers, said a later assault on a supposedly safe refuge for the diplomats appeared professionally executed.

Miscommunication which understated the number of American survivors awaiting rescue - there were 37, nearly four times as many as the Libyan commander expected - also meant survivors and rescuers found themselves short of transport to escape the second battle, delaying an eventual dawn break for the airport.

Captain Fathi al-Obeidi, whose special operations unit was ordered by Libya's authorities to meet an eight-man force at Benghazi airport, said that after his men and the US squad had found the American survivors who had evacuated the blazing consulate, the ostensibly secret safe house, an isolated villa, came under an intense and highly accurate mortar barrage.

"I really believe that this attack was planned," he said, adding to suggestions by other Libyan officials that at least some of the hostility towards the Americans was the work of experienced combatants.

"The accuracy with which the mortars hit us was too good for any regular revolutionaries."

27 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:13:38pm

re: #22 Guanxi88

In other, domestic news - I've entered into negotiations for the purchase of what can be described, generously, as the new Guanxi88 GHQ - about 5 acres of unimproved agricultural land.

For years, I'd joked that subsistence farming looked to be an attractive career-path, and it seems the time is ripe, as it were.

Getting a headstart on planting warm weather crops in Minnesota?
:)

28 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:14:04pm

re: #24 aagcobb

If you check the previous thread, there are a lot of folks in Libya who are horrified by what happened.

And rightly so. Sadly, they don't seem to be the ones whose opinion matters all that much.

29 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:15:02pm

re: #9 Gus

Mitt Romney would never apologize or retract. He's like your average right wing blogger.

…there is an idea of a Patrick Bateman "Willard Romney", some kind of abstraction, but there is no real me, only an entity, something illusory, and though I can hide my cold gaze and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours ... I simply am not there. It is hard for me to make sense on any given level. My "self" is fabricated, an aberration. I am a non-contingent human being. My personality is sketchy and unformed, my heartlessness goes deep and is persistent. My conscience, my pity, my hopes disappeared a long time ago (probably at Harvard) if they ever did exist ... There has been no reason for me to tell you any of this. This confession has meant nothing ...

--- excerpted from the "lost" original text of Rmoney's RNC acceptance speech

30 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:15:26pm

re: #27 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Getting a headstart on planting warm weather crops in Minnesota?
:)

Ha! I'm betting on glaciation.

Winter wheat in South Texas. Why not?

31 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:16:50pm

Tragedies:

Lear, Hamlet, The Scottish Play.

Comedies:

A Midsummer Night's Dream (But if I be an honest Puck..) The rest, meh.

The Histories:

Henry V. The rest got really political.

Oh and a Goulash tonight w/ beef, egg noodles and a kick-ass smoked mild paprika. A little Malbec on the side...nom, nom, nom.

32 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:17:03pm

All kidding aside, I will say that the path to mental health lies in restricting one's scope to that which is under one's immediate control.

33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:17:09pm

re: #30 Guanxi88

Ha! I'm betting on glaciation.

Winter wheat in South Texas. Why not?

How about dragonfruit?

34 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:18:06pm

re: #33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

How about dragonfruit?

Tasty, but I'm too far from Houston to have much of a market.

Hereabouts, the best business move I can make is to brush up on my Spanish.

Mucous Garcias, amigo, and all that.

35 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:18:21pm

re: #21 Lidane

Since it's an open thread, a brief job search update -- I had an interview with a bank the other day for a financial advisor role, but I'm not confident with it. If I don't get that one, I won't shed any tears. I had filled the application out months ago and had forgotten all about it, so the fact that I've made it this far with them is an accomplishment all by itself.

The software translation company I really want to work for got back in touch today. The hiring manager will be in Austin on the 27th and we're going to meet face to face. I'm excited! I hope it goes well.

Applications are still going out regardless. Until I've got something nailed down and set in stone, I'm going to keep looking at what's out there.

You may think that having ANY job is better than being unemployed, but if you take a job that you don't feel comfortable with, that you really don't want, YOU WILL HATE IT.

36 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:19:11pm

re: #35 Sheila Brovlofski

Absolutely correct.

That said, so long as you don't HATE your job, it's a good one.

37 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:19:33pm

re: #35 Sheila Brovlofski

You may think that having ANY job is better than being unemployed, but if you take a job that you don't feel comfortable with, that you really don't want, YOU WILL HATE IT.

You'll hate not having any money even more, though.

38 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:21:10pm

In my professional life, I've been a loan officer (higher ed), hack writer, archivist/librarian, antique furniture repair guy, and manufacturing manager.

Of them, the only two I really enjoyed were antiques and archivist, the two which paid the least.

Money isn't everything, but it is nice.

39 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:21:20pm

re: #6 Targetpractice

I honestly could have done without the events of the last 48 hours. If I take anything away from all that has happened, it's that Mitt Romney has done serious damage to whatever chances he still had left to win this election. I just wish people hadn't had to die for it to be possible.

I was over at Harry's Place earlier. As far as I can tell, the anti-Obama crowd there firmly believes that Obama is screwing this up, and that Mitt will be anointed King of America, based on his tough talk.

40 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:21:32pm

re: #37 Mocking Jay

You'll hate not having any money even more, though.

I had a job for 3 weeks in April that I totally HATED. It was utterly soul-sucking and it was making me literally sick. I left it for my present job, which pays less money but I AM HAPPY.

41 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:21:43pm

re: #11 Guanxi88

Niman hao, mein scaly amigos, and greetings from Texas!

Been a while since i had the opportunity to stop by.

Rather a solemn mood today, and this understandably so.

Where the heck have you been, homeboy? Good to see your scaly neck rise for air from the murk of a campaign season!

What's the haps in the '45?

42 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:21:50pm

re: #33 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

By the way, who knew that the Lord Humongous was a cat?

43 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:22:23pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

I was over at Harry's Place earlier. As far as I can tell, the anti-Obama crowd there firmly believes that Obama is screwing this up, and that Mitt will be anointed King of America, based on his tough talk.

Harry's Place?

44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:22:54pm

re: #30 Guanxi88

Ha! I'm betting on glaciation.

Winter wheat in South Texas. Why not?

As a Texas dweller who is tired of it being 90 degrees at 9:30PM halfway through September, I'll gladly sign the petition for glaciation.

45 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:00pm

re: #43 Mocking Jay

Harry's Place?

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

46 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:03pm

re: #41 austin_blue

By me, not much.

Got a divorce, which broke my heart but saved my friendship with the ex, moved to rural south Texas - a bit of an adjustment, but people are people - and changed careers twice.

And by you?

47 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:20pm

re: #31 austin_blue

I was absolutely gutted that I missed The Hollow Crown on the BBC when it first aired because I was in the middle of moving and everything was in upheaval. Hopefully it ends up on soon Netflix so I can see it.

48 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:33pm

re: #44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Heat broke, finally. Only getting to the mid-90's daytime here.

Sweater weather.

49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:44pm

re: #42 Guanxi88

By the way, who knew that the Lord Humongous was a cat?

That was the Liberal Waste - thus the need for Mel Gibson to rescue them. No one escapes the Conservative Waste.

50 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:58pm

re: #42 Guanxi88

By the way, who knew that the Lord Humongous was a cat?

"There has been too much violence. Too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Give me your catnip, and I'll spare your lives. Just walk away and we'll give you a safe passageway in the wastelands. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. "

51 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:23:59pm

re: #45 Sheila Brovlofski

[Link: www.hurryupharry.org...]

Thanks.

52 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:25:00pm

re: #49 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

That was the Liberal Waste - thus the need for Mel Gibson to rescue them. No one escapes the Conservative Waste.

The ayatollah of Rock and Roll-a!

Love that flick, love that character!

53 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:25:40pm

Outrage in 3, 2, 1... OK the wingnuts are already outraged.

Obama: ‘We Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally, But They Are Not Our Enemy

Posted earlier about this.

They of course have chopped this into "Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally."

54 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:25:47pm

re: #43 Mocking Jay

Harry's Place?

Brit blog. Israel, Middle East Affairs, British political stuff. Fairly mixed crowd both of posters and commenters.

55 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:26:27pm

re: #26 Targetpractice

Further news coming out about the attack, lending credence to the belief that the whole thing was planned:

US troops 'ambushed' at safe house

:(((((((

56 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:26:34pm

re: #53 Gus

Outrage in 3, 2, 1... OK the wingnuts are already outraged.

Obama: ‘We Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally, But They Are Not Our Enemy

Posted earlier about this.

They of course have chopped this into "Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally."

They have a problem with that? Do THEY consider the current Egyptian government an ally?

57 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:26:43pm

As a conservative and a traditionalist, I find it odd and simultaneously encouraging and discouraging that so many of my progressive and even just plain ol' liberal friends and colleagues have the same sense of decay and immanent collapse.

We can all smell it - something's not right.

58 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:27:13pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

59 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:27:28pm

A interesting view from a former Libyan rebel leader
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

60 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:27:32pm

re: #58 Guanxi88

You don't say.

61 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:27:49pm

re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist

They have a problem with that? Do THEY consider the current Egyptian government an ally?

Right. That was kind of what I was thinking when I saw there outrage. I laughed. They said something about "well they were our ally until Mubarak was ousted." Then they blame Obama.

62 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:00pm

re: #46 Guanxi88

By me, not much.

Got a divorce, which broke my heart but saved my friendship with the ex, moved to rural south Texas - a bit of an adjustment, but people are people - and changed careers twice.

And by you?

We are doing well! Sorry to hear about the rupture, but I figured it might be something like that when you went absent. So are you in the lower or middle valley, or in Pearsall (gods help you)?

63 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:04pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

I was over at Harry's Place earlier. As far as I can tell, the anti-Obama crowd there firmly believes that Obama is screwing this up, and that Mitt will be anointed King of America, based on his tough talk.

Yeah, I'm hearing the same thing elsewhere. The latest bleat seems to be "Why was the security not beefed up!?" They're accusing Obama of either getting intel that attacks were imminent and not acting on it or skipping the briefing and thus not taking the threat seriously.

64 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:18pm

re: #44 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

As a Texas dweller who is tired of it being 90 degrees at 9:30PM halfway through September, I'll gladly sign the petition for glaciation.

Spent part of this past weekend viewing the results of glaciation in south central New York state and north central Pennsylvania. Including a short walk and view of a quarry that was digging into a glacial moraine that was over a mile wide and 600' thick. Lots of former lake beds, valleys, and "odd"* canyons about due to the glaciers flowing around in that area 15,000-16,000 years ago.

* - Pine Creek Gorge is "odd" since it runs a different direction than all the other relief in the area. Due to a glacier damming up a valley and it eventually overflowed onto a plateau at a low spot and cut a new drainage.

65 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:28:46pm

re: #60 SanFranciscoZionist

Why, yes, yes I do.

We all know something's wrong here. All we disagree on is what it is and what to do about it.

66 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:29:15pm

re: #47 Lidane

I was absolutely gutted that I missed The Hollow Crown on the BBC when it first aired because I was in the middle of moving and everything was in upheaval. Hopefully it ends up on soon Netflix so I can see it.

Go to Vulcan on Elizabeth Street by Guerro's. Killer Bee video store.

67 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:29:16pm

re: #53 Gus

Outrage in 3, 2, 1... OK the wingnuts are already outraged.

Obama: ‘We Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally, But They Are Not Our Enemy

Posted earlier about this.

They of course have chopped this into "Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally."

Why is even that such a negative comment to them? It's not a dis. Ukraine is not an American ally, but I'm not insulting them by saying it...

68 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:29:30pm

re: #35 Sheila Brovlofski

You may think that having ANY job is better than being unemployed, but if you take a job that you don't feel comfortable with, that you really don't want, YOU WILL HATE IT.

I'd be happy with a job and a paycheck right now, but you're right. If I don't really want the job, it will suck. That's why it won't bother me if I don't get the bank position. It was one of those jobs I applied for in the beginning when I was pretty much just casting my net out there wildly.

The software translation company has been great. The two interviews I had were more like conversations with friends. I got along famously with the hiring manager (who I'll meet in person soon) and with the COO when we talked. I'd love that one, even if the money isn't the best just because I'd have a chance to help build the Austin office up, I'd get to travel, and the people and work seem interesting.

69 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:29:37pm

re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist

I was over at Harry's Place earlier. As far as I can tell, the anti-Obama crowd there firmly believes that Obama is screwing this up, and that Mitt will be anointed King of America, based on his tough talk.

It's hard to tell. This is where the noise machine shoots itself in the foot. Mitt's comments sucked and this would have happened regardless of who the president is. However, just last week the outrageous outrage was Mitt saying the troops are unimportant, the week before that was probably some bogus Bain/tax avoidance outrage, before that it was something else. It all becomes a blur with each outrage more outrageous than the next. Each one quickly abandoned and forgotten for the newest outrage. The wingnuts do the same thing, piling one outrage on top of the other. I suppose one noise machine may eventually drown the other out but we;ll probably not even remember Mitt's comments about Libya next week when he says something about pineapple on pizza.

70 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:29:38pm

re: #61 Gus

Right. That was kind of what I was thinking when I saw there outrage. I laughed. They said something about "well they were our ally until Mubarak was ousted." Then they blame Obama.

If we'd sent in the Marines to prop up Mubarak, Obama would be kowtowing to Middle Eastern dictators. There's no pleasing some people.

71 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:29:47pm
72 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:30:00pm

re: #62 austin_blue

We are doing well! Sorry to hear about the rupture, but I figured it might be something like that when you went absent. So are you in the lower or middle valley, or in Pearsall (gods help you)?

Not quite that far. I'm about an hour from SA and Austin, both. Living in Guadalupe County, of all places, but it suits me.

I love New Braunfels, but it's just too damned spendy for me to be more than a visitor.

73 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:30:49pm

re: #66 austin_blue

Best damned spot in the State.

74 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:31:22pm

I hope Obdi is OK.

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:31:29pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

Yeah, I'm hearing the same thing elsewhere. The latest bleat seems to be "Why was the security not beefed up!?" They're accusing Obama of either getting intel that attacks were imminent and not acting on it or skipping the briefing and thus not taking the threat seriously.

And of course, now that it's done, they're hysterical about his not giving an immoderate speech, and then carpet-bombing Libya the same day. Egypt too, while he's at it.

76 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:31:47pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

It's hard to tell. This is where the noise machine shoots itself in the foot. Mitt's comments sucked and this would have happened regardless of who the president is. However, just last week the outrageous outrage was Mitt saying the troops are unimportant, the week before that was probably some bogus Bain/tax avoidance outrage, before that it was something else. It all becomes a blur with each outrage more outrageous than the next. Each one quickly abandoned and forgotten for the newest outrage. The wingnuts do the same thing, piling one outrage on top of the other. I suppose one noise machine may eventually drown the other out but we;ll probably not even remember Mitt's comments about Libya next week when he says something about pineapple on pizza.

We still want to see Mitt's tax returns.

77 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:31:52pm

re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal

Why?

He and I never really got along, but I always liked the guy.

78 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:32:10pm

re: #76 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Obama's transcripts would be a fair trade.

79 Sawgrass Man  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:32:43pm

I've got to got get some paint ready for a job with the .01 percenters tomorrow, so I can't follow the thread, but you all might want to check this out:
Dan Murphy at Christian Science Monitor: There May Be No Anti-Islamic Movie At All-[Link: www.csmonitor.com...]
He makes the case that it's a dumb (actually, I thought it was a pretty decent Foley) hack job, dubbing stuff like "Islamic Terrorists" onto the soundtrack in the place of the original dialog.
You can see for yourself, if you've got the stomach for it. The YouTube vid is at: [Link: www.csmonitor.com...] and one of the early inserts is at 1:51 when the protagonist writes a nonsense "equation" on a whiteboard-- watch the lips when he says "Islamic Terrorist." Probably lots more, but why pick apart a dog turd just to find out if it's really dog shit?
BTW-- I think I read the whole thing didn't blow up until someone posted an Arabic-dubbed version of this. The sound fakery wouldn't be apparent.

80 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:05pm

re: #71 Gus

Major non-NATO ally

Eclectic group.

81 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:25pm

re: #59 Daniel Ballard

A interesting view from a former Libyan rebel leader
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Make that Lockers Page he beat me to it...

82 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:27pm

This sounds familiar:
Malignant Personality

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

The more Willard speaks, the more convinced I become.

83 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:30pm

re: #78 Guanxi88

Obama's transcripts would be a fair trade.

Oh please, that wouldn't be a fair trade in a million years and you know it. For Mitt to keep those returns under wraps at this point they have to really be bad.

84 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:40pm

re: #75 SanFranciscoZionist

And of course, now that it's done, they're hysterical about his not giving an immoderate speech, and then carpet-bombing Libya the same day. Egypt too, while he's at it.

Yeah, we're not showing the proper "strength," which translated from the original wingnut-ese means we're not swinging our dick around enough for their tastes. Somehow I think they'd have been thrilled if the consulate had been armed to the teeth and today's headline was not about dead staff, but rather dozens of dead Libyans.

85 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:40pm

re: #53 Gus

Outrage in 3, 2, 1... OK the wingnuts are already outraged.

Obama: ‘We Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally, But They Are Not Our Enemy

Posted earlier about this.

They of course have chopped this into "Don’t Consider’ Current Egyptian Government An Ally."

I love this stuff, If you just manage to tune out the misleading headlines and power of suggestion it's very easy to understand what's being said. If I had watched that statement without knowing there was an outrage brewing I never would have guessed some might find it unreasonable.

86 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:41pm

re: #79 Sawgrass Man

Not convinced, truthfully, and this from a fellow who's known hereabouts as less than completely credulous.

Too much trouble, on too obscure a project.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:33:51pm

re: #77 Guanxi88

Why?

He and I never really got along, but I always liked the guy.

Some bad shit went down on the last thread, and it punched all of Obdi's buttons. PTSD kicked up.

88 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:34:17pm

re: #83 Mocking Jay

And vice versa. And vice versa.

89 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:34:34pm

re: #77 Guanxi88

Why?

He and I never really got along, but I always liked the guy.

I take it you missed what happened in the last thread. I won't go into.

90 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:34:47pm

re: #82 OhNoZombies!

This sounds familiar:
Malignant Personality

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

The more Willard speaks, the more convinced I become.

Eh...I dunno. Maybe it's all the wingnuts claiming Obama's a narcissist...I think Romney is just a rather inadequate person thrust into the limelight.

91 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:00pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Ugh!

Everyone here knows he and I sparred and tilted at each other, but I always regarded him as the LGF equivalent of an errant little brother.

92 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:17pm

re: #88 Guanxi88

And vice versa. And vice versa.

Really? You really believe that whatever's in Obama's transcripts could possibly harm him as much as Mitt's returns?

93 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:18pm

re: #76 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

We still want to see Mitt's tax returns.

Desire leads to unhappiness.
/Seriously though, I don't care about Mitt's taxes and care even less that people want them.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:22pm

re: #84 Targetpractice

Yeah, we're not showing the proper "strength," which translated from the original wingnut-ese means we're not swinging our dick around enough for their tastes. Somehow I think they'd have been thrilled if the consulate had been armed to the teeth and today's headline was not about dead staff, but rather dozens of dead Libyans.

If those Libyans were the people breaking in, I think I might be OK with that too.

Sigh.

95 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:40pm

re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal

I hope Obdi is OK.

Seconded.

{{{Obdi}}}

96 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:49pm

re: #89 moderatelyradicalliberal

No need to.

Best wishes, good vibes, and right-wing love to my buddy.

97 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:35:50pm

re: #93 Killgore Trout

Desire leads to unhappiness.
/Seriously though, I don't care about Mitt's taxes and care even less that people want them.

Thanks for sharing.

98 Irving  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:22pm

re: #68 Lidane

It's generally much easier to find a job you actually want while you're employed. The stress levels are lower; you aren't inclined to make bad decisions.

99 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:23pm

re: #97 Mocking Jay

Thanks for sharing.

You're welcome.

100 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:36pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

If those Libyans were the people breaking in, I think I might be OK with that too.

Sigh.

Thing is, like the story I posted upthread, the initial rioters were unarmed demonstrators. If they were still mixed into the crowd, shooting them would have been a propaganda windfall for the organizers of these riots.

101 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:36:46pm

re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal

I hope Obdi is OK.

What happened to Obdicut?!

102 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:37:05pm

re: #92 Mocking Jay

No, but their absence is at least as revealing as the absence of academic proof of the President's genius.

Both are irrelevant and little more than scraps of red meat thrown to the base.

103 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:37:23pm

re: #101 Daniel Ballard

What happened to Obdicut?!

The events of the previous thread affected him in a personal way. That's all.

104 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:37:57pm

re: #101 Daniel Ballard

What happened to Obdicut?!

Check the previous thread. It will be clear.

105 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:20pm

re: #104 moderatelyradicalliberal

Check the previous thread. It will be clear.

Or don't.

Really, just don't...

106 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:25pm

re: #101 Daniel Ballard

What happened to Obdicut?!

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

107 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:36pm

re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist

Eclectic group.

Yes. I think Romney will try and pounce on this.

108 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:37pm

As a traditionalist conservative in the Straussian strain, I will say that I enjoy the gemutlichkeit of the place.

Politics fall away when one of our own is hurt.

109 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:38:58pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Noooooooooooooooooo.

110 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:03pm

re: #106 Varek Raith

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

You're the type to just rip band-aids right off, aren't you?

111 Daniel Ballard  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:03pm

re: #103 Mocking Jay

Oh hell, I had heard we had a bad one banned, but missed the thread. Thanks.

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:19pm

re: #100 Targetpractice

Thing is, like the story I posted upthread, the initial rioters were unarmed demonstrators. If they were still mixed into the crowd, shooting them would have been a propaganda windfall for the organizers of these riots.

Yeah. No good outcomes here.

113 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:39pm

re: #109 Gus

Noooooooooooooooooo.

re: #110 Mocking Jay

You're the type to just rip band-aids right off, aren't you?

I know, I know.

114 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:40pm

I'm still in shock.

115 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:39:57pm

But Churchill!

116 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:12pm

Okay, that's it, it's out of my system.

117 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:13pm

re: #63 Targetpractice

Yeah, I'm hearing the same thing elsewhere. The latest bleat seems to be "Why was the security not beefed up!?" They're accusing Obama of either getting intel that attacks were imminent and not acting on it or skipping the briefing and thus not taking the threat seriously.

They love that 'skipped the intel briefing' meme. I had it out with a wingnut on Facebook about that yesterday, pointing out that it was straight out of Cheney's interview and it was the Right's favorite new tanking point.

He called me 'mean' for bringing up that Cheney said it and subsequently flounced from the FB page because the liberals there are 'mean and angry.'

Score one for me, I guess.

118 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:17pm

re: #115 Mocking Jay

But Churchill!

I know, right.

119 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:29pm
120 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:40:34pm

BTW, while grilling sausages tonight I was looking at the veg patch and was inspired. Threw on a couple whole tomatillos, and whole green onions (washed the dirt off and trimmed the tops). Once heated through gave them a shot of pepper, salt and a glug of olive oil. Prep time was under a minute. Very delicious.

121 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:03pm

Intrade's odds for "Barack Obama wins the election" now up to 63.1%, up from 61.3 at the start of the day.

It hasn't been this high since the days of the Republican Primaries, with a different loon as the front-runner every week.

122 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:41:47pm

re: #121 JamesWI

Intrade's odds for "Barack Obama wins the election" now up to 63.1%, up from 61.3 at the start of the day.

It hasn't been this high since the days of the Republican Primaries, with a different loon as the front-runner every week.

R-Money is looking more and more like he is a loon too.

123 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:00pm

US Consultate Benghazi Photos

This is from Cryptome.

124 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:04pm

re: #120 Killgore Trout

Fresh from the garden, still warm from the earth - how does food get much better?

125 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:17pm

re: #78 Guanxi88

Obama's transcripts would be a fair trade.

What other presidential candidate has ever released college transcripts? Can you name one?

126 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:19pm

re: #122 moderatelyradicalliberal

R-Money is looking more and more like he is a loon too.

He's not a loon. He's just desperate and pandering to the loons because it's obvious that his campaign's internal polls are utter shit.

127 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:21pm

re: #90 SanFranciscoZionist

Anyone who goes into politics, or wants to be the prez. has an ego. I think it's a prerequisite.
That said, there is something severely off-putting, to me, about Mitt's behavior.
Specifically, the smirk.

128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:42pm

Tangent: If you are a programmer or involved in any way with UI design, and either by design or through adherence to the status quo you allow your program to commit the grievous sin of focus-stealing, then I really hate you lots and lots. I don't mean the friendly sort of "oh, he doesn't really mean it, he's just exaggerating for comic effect, *polite, diplomatic, tension-reducing laughter*" way, either. I mean I have a deep and visceral hatred for you, personally, solely because you figured it was a good idea for your program to interrupt my typing with an ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL Yes/No input dialog, and set the focus in such a way that the very next keystroke is interpreted as a mouse click on the default button, and naturally the default is the most catastrophically harmful option imaginable.

So, what I see is the faintest outline of a dialog window for 0.000000031 seconds, then "OK THANKS FOR CONFIRMING THAT YOU WANT TO TOTALLY FUCK UP EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST 9 DAYS IN THIS OTHER WINDOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THING YOU'RE CURRENTLY TYPING INTO. THANK YOU FOR USING JACKASSWARE 3.31"

Seriously, I thought the concept that focus stealing == bad was something that people would have a handle on by now.

129 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:43:50pm
130 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:44:37pm

re: #128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Tangent: If you are a programmer or involved in any way with UI design, and either by design or through adherence to the status quo you allow your program to commit the grievous sin of focus-stealing, then I really hate you lots and lots. I don't mean the friendly sort of "oh, he doesn't really mean it, he's just exaggerating for comic effect, *polite, diplomatic, tension-reducing laughter*" way, either. I mean I have a deep and visceral hatred for you, personally, solely because you figured it was a good idea for your program to interrupt my typing with an ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL Yes/No input dialog, and set the focus in such a way that the very next keystroke is interpreted as a mouse click on the default button, and naturally the default is the most catastrophically harmful option imaginable.

So, what I see is the faintest outline of a dialog window for 0.000000031 seconds, then "OK THANKS FOR CONFIRMING THAT YOU WANT TO TOTALLY FUCK UP EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST 9 DAYS IN THIS OTHER WINDOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THING YOU'RE CURRENTLY TYPING INTO. THANK YOU FOR USING JACKASSWARE 3.31"

Seriously, I thought the concept that focus stealing == bad was something that people would have a handle on by now.

Take a deep breath.

131 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:45:23pm

re: #126 Lidane

He's not a loon. He's just desperate and pandering to the loons because it's obvious that his campaign's internal polls are utter shit.

Oh I agree. It's just that stupid and desperate looks like crazy sometimes.

132 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:45:36pm

re: #130 Varek Raith

Take a deep breathe.

Breath! The word is breath, damn it! Hrmph!

133 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:45:38pm

re: #125 makeitstop

I'm not an historian of trivia, so, no, no I can't.

Still, if the appeal to class-envy seems a winning strategy to the incumbent, he'd be well-advised to play it.

134 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:45:51pm

re: #127 OhNoZombies!

Anyone who goes into politics, or wants to be the prez. has an ego. I think it's a prerequisite.

Well, yeah. In order to run for POTUS, you have to believe that you're the one person in this entire country who knows how to run the place. That takes an ego no matter which way you slice it.

That said, there is something severely off-putting, to me, about Mitt's behavior.
Specifically, the smirk.

That's because Mitt Romney is the living embodiment of the smarmy asshole CEO who fired you, outsourced your job, and then got a cushy bonus for his efforts. He's the draft-dodging, white bread version of John Kerry, but with less charisma.

135 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:46:09pm

re: #132 Mocking Jay

Breath! The word is breath, damn it! Hrmph!

Always confuse the to.
;)

136 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:46:52pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

VR, you shape-shifting SOB!

How the hell are ya?

137 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:46:58pm

re: #124 Guanxi88

Fresh from the garden, still warm from the earth - how does food get much better?

It's amazing. I never liked beets growing up but I learned that the Italians just dig 'em up, brush off the dirt and throw them on the fire. Salt, pepper, fucking delicious.

138 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:47:16pm

re: #127 OhNoZombies!

Anyone who goes into politics, or wants to be the prez. has an ego. I think it's a prerequisite.
That said, there is something severely off-putting, to me, about Mitt's behavior.
Specifically, the smirk.

The man is just hollow. There is nothing inside of him. Nobody knows what he believes or what actually drives him. I don't even know why he's running. It's just all so strange. And he's a prick on top of all of that.

139 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:47:26pm

re: #135 Varek Raith

Always confuse the to.
;)

Fuck you. Downding.

140 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:47:27pm

re: #136 Guanxi88

VR, you shape-shifting SOB!

How the hell are ya?

Pretty good.
Except for allergies.
Stupid trees.

141 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:08pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Pretty good.
Except for allergies.
Stupid trees.

Big Tree keeping the man down!

142 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:38pm

Well now. That was interesting.

143 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:48:44pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

As I prepare myself for the good life on the small scale- fresh food from my garden, eggs from my hens, etc - I come to appreciate more and more the simple pleasure of REAL FOOD.re: #140 Varek Raith

Always said: Any candidate for TX governor who promised to eradicate mountain cedar would have my vote, no matter what else was in his or her platform.

144 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:08pm

OT.. I got an email from the Corporate IP lawyer today that a couple co-workers and I were awarded a US Patent for an application we submitted 5 years ago. Heck I forgot about that one. cool beans..

145 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:39pm

re: #144 Mich-again

Drinks are on Mich-again tonight!

146 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:50:56pm

re: #133 Guanxi88

I'm not an historian of trivia, so, no, no I can't.

Still, if the appeal to class-envy seems a winning strategy to the incumbent, he'd be well-advised to play it.

Pointing out that a filthy rich guy is running on an economic "plan" that includes a $4 trillion tax cut for himself and other filthy rich guys isn't an appeal to class-envy. You don't have to be envious of rich people to wonder how the fuck that's going to do a damn thing for non-rich people.

147 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:00pm

re: #144 Mich-again

OT.. I got an email from the Corporate IP lawyer today that a couple co-workers and I were awarded a US Patent for an application we submitted 5 years ago. Heck I forgot about that one. cool beans..

Sue Apple!

148 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:02pm

re: #128 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Tangent: If you are a programmer or involved in any way with UI design, and either by design or through adherence to the status quo you allow your program to commit the grievous sin of focus-stealing, then I really hate you lots and lots. I don't mean the friendly sort of "oh, he doesn't really mean it, he's just exaggerating for comic effect, *polite, diplomatic, tension-reducing laughter*" way, either. I mean I have a deep and visceral hatred for you, personally, solely because you figured it was a good idea for your program to interrupt my typing with an ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL Yes/No input dialog, and set the focus in such a way that the very next keystroke is interpreted as a mouse click on the default button, and naturally the default is the most catastrophically harmful option imaginable.

So, what I see is the faintest outline of a dialog window for 0.000000031 seconds, then "OK THANKS FOR CONFIRMING THAT YOU WANT TO TOTALLY FUCK UP EVERYTHING YOU'VE BEEN WORKING ON FOR THE PAST 9 DAYS IN THIS OTHER WINDOW THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE THING YOU'RE CURRENTLY TYPING INTO. THANK YOU FOR USING JACKASSWARE 3.31"

Seriously, I thought the concept that focus stealing == bad was something that people would have a handle on by now.

MS product, no doubt.

149 alpuz  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:05pm

re: #119 Lidane

I really don't know how to respond to that video. Heartbreaking comes to mind. I felt bad for the guy(Simon).

150 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:06pm

re: #140 Varek Raith

Pretty good.
Except for allergies.
Stupid trees.

No shit. Every morning this past week, I've woken up with one or both sides of my head clogged up.

151 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:51:45pm

One statement...
Again, tell me why is this race close???

152 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:17pm

re: #151 diamonda2u

One statement...
Again, tell me why is this race close???

Because God is a troll.

153 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:28pm

re: #151 diamonda2u

One statement...
Again, tell me why is this race close???

...

Barack HUSSEIN Obama.

154 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:44pm

re: #152 Varek Raith

Because God is a troll.

Newman.

155 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:52:48pm

re: #146 moderatelyradicalliberal

True, I'll grant you that much, provided you can agree that the record of the economic success of a person prior to the current crisis is largely irrelevant to the wisdom of policies intended to correct them.

Unless, of course, one suggests that Romney's success somehow undermines the President's policies, in which case I'd be interested to learn how that works.

156 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:04pm

re: #151 diamonda2u

One statement...
Again, tell me why is this race close???

Because the networks need you to tune in.

157 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:18pm

re: #151 diamonda2u

One statement...
Again, tell me why is this race close???

It's not, if Romney's desperation is anything to go by. No one who's in a close race pulls the shit he's done in the last 24 hours. Those are the signs of a campaign that knows it's losing and it has to fire up the base.

158 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:20pm

re: #151 diamonda2u

One statement...
Again, tell me why is this race close???

The sheriff is near.

159 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:24pm

re: #156 Mocking Jay

Because the networks need you to tune in.

Exactly!

160 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:31pm

re: #152 Varek Raith

In the words of Tom Waits:

"Don't you know there ain't no Devil,
Only God when He's drunk?"

161 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:34pm

re: #138 moderatelyradicalliberal

The man is just hollow. There is nothing inside of him. Nobody knows what he believes or what actually drives him. I don't even know why he's running. It's just all so strange. And he's a prick on top of all of that.

Well...
He's got the all the money. Now he wants to be the most powerful man on Earth.
And he thinks he deserves it.

162 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:44pm

Gee, the cat just threw up all over the place.
Thanks cat!
*grumble*

163 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:46pm

re: #158 moderatelyradicalliberal

The sheriff is near.

The sheriff is a ni-CLANG!

164 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:47pm

diamonda2u either didn't understand my joke or doesn't like it.

165 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:53:55pm

re: #158 moderatelyradicalliberal

Ha!

Man or woman, I could kiss you!

166 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:54:35pm

re: #164 Gus

diamonda2u either didn't understand my joke or doesn't like it.

Probably the first ;-) Been a LONG day at work and my brain is fried... I need help is you were being funny

167 Sawgrass Man  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:54:37pm

re: #86 Guanxi88
Yeah, I'm not convinced, either, but really, try taking a look at the video. The original is probably (maybe) about how the bad moe-hammids oppress the Christians because they're just born evil. (see zoom shot of bleeding girl's gold cross.) The original is probably not all that different from the dubbed version, but seriously, go look at the replaced dialog. It looks like a standard Muslim-hatin' film from the get-go, based on the visuals. So why dub in the incendiary buzzwords? As I said, WATCH THE LIPS.
Skepticism is good, but this is empirical: it's dubbed. 'Why' is another question.

168 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:54:56pm

re: #150 Targetpractice

Stuck record time:

Nasal snuff - it'll fix it.

169 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:55:15pm

re: #166 diamonda2u

Probably the first ;-)

It's in wingnut font.

170 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:55:53pm

re: #141 Gus

Big Tree keeping the man down!

But they're the right height in Michigan at least.
/

171 diamonda2u  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:56:14pm

re: #169 Gus

It's in wingnut font.

Thank you Gus :-) That's probably explains why I missed it...and I am tired...

172 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:56:51pm

re: #171 diamonda2u

Thank you Gus :-) That's probably explains why I missed it...and I am tired...

Okie dokie.

173 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:56:56pm

re: #155 Guanxi88

True, I'll grant you that much, provided you can agree that the record of the economic success of a person prior to the current crisis is largely irrelevant to the wisdom of policies intended to correct them.

Unless, of course, one suggests that Romney's success somehow undermines the President's policies, in which case I'd be interested to learn how that works.

English, motherfucker, do you speak it?

Seriously though, I feel like there's a point buried under there, struggling to break free.

174 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:57:48pm

Weirdest. Flounce. Ever.

175 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:58:27pm

re: #174 Gus

Weirdest. Flounce. Ever.

Huh?

176 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:58:37pm

re: #174 Gus

Weirdest. Flounce. Ever.

I had just forgotten about it.

Fuck you, Gus...

177 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:58:45pm

re: #175 Varek Raith

Huh?

The boy thing.

178 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:58:58pm

re: #176 Mocking Jay

I had just forgotten about it.

Fuck you, Gus...

Sowwy.

179 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:59:00pm

Oh. Derp!

180 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:59:30pm

To whiskey and Norse Gods!

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 7:59:40pm

re: #174 Gus

Weirdest. Flounce. Ever.

Last thread? That wasn't a flounce, that was an ejectapulting.

182 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:00:04pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Last thread? That wasn't a flounce, that was an ejectapulting.

Belly laugh!

183 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:00:40pm

re: #173 Mocking Jay

There's hardly any need to invoke the Oedipal polysyllabic with me, but leaving it aside:

Other than documenting the legal success of a man in earning a living and then some, what possible point can there be in releasing tax records in response to an incumbent's request to do so?

I mean, if BHO's claim to worthiness is his genius and skill and what-have-you, whereas Romney the milk-drinker (I distrust a man with no public vices, BTW) has not claimed anything more or other than that he's been a successful busnessman, whyever not should His Excellency release such proofs as may exist of his academic acumen in exchange of Romney's tax records?

After all, had Mitt cheated or dodged, surely the IRS would have taken notice by now...

184 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:01:00pm

re: #180 Gus

In that order.

185 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:01:01pm

re: #155 Guanxi88

True, I'll grant you that much, provided you can agree that the record of the economic success of a person prior to the current crisis is largely irrelevant to the wisdom of policies intended to correct them.

Unless, of course, one suggests that Romney's success somehow undermines the President's policies, in which case I'd be interested to learn how that works.

There is nothing wrong with a presidential candidate being rich, but all of our rich presidents have done one of two things: ran on policies that middle class people could imagine being directly beneficial to them or came across as a "regular" person who could relate to economic struggles or could at least empathize with them. Some did both. Romney isn't doing either so his wealth combined with his policies are a double whammy. Mitt Romney's problem is that people believe he would have an economic policy with only the already rich in mind.

186 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:01:17pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Last thread? That wasn't a flounce, that was an ejectapulting.

With a trebuchet that flings shit at the speed of sound, at that.

187 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:01:41pm

re: #165 Guanxi88

Ha!

Man or woman, I could kiss you!

Woman. And no thanks, you might have cooties. ;)

188 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:02:59pm

re: #185 moderatelyradicalliberal

True enough, and it is a problem for him, especially in an age of diminished and ever-diminishing expectations.

The question is, however, this: if the incumbent's campaign is aware of illegality, at which there have been ever so many hints, why not act on it? Answer: Romney's obeyed the law, and has prospered by way of honest dealing.

189 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:03:12pm

re: #178 Gus

Sowwy.

I think you have the same kind of mental processes as my wife, shit just weaves and dodges in there until something pops out.

190 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:03:22pm

re: #187 moderatelyradicalliberal

Might? Were you to know my history, there'd be no doubt.

191 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:03:30pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

There's hardly any need to invoke the Oedipal polysyllabic with me, but leaving it aside:

Other than documenting the legal success of a man in earning a living and then some, what possible point can there be in releasing tax records in response to an incumbent's request to do so?

I mean, if BHO's claim to worthiness is his genius and skill and what-have-you, whereas Romney the milk-drinker (I distrust a man with no public vices, BTW) has not claimed anything more or other than that he's been a successful busnessman, whyever not should His Excellency release such proofs as may exist of his academic acumen in exchange of Romney's tax records?

After all, had Mitt cheated or dodged, surely the IRS would have taken notice by now...

I don't think anyone went to the voting booth for Barack Obama because because they thought he got good grades.

192 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:04:10pm

re: #189 b_sharp

I think you have the same kind of mental processes as my wife, shit just weaves and dodges in there until something pops out.

No way man. That was like our first LGF sex scandal.

193 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:04:12pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

There's hardly any need to invoke the Oedipal polysyllabic with me, but leaving it aside:

Other than documenting the legal success of a man in earning a living and then some, what possible point can there be in releasing tax records in response to an incumbent's request to do so?

I mean, if BHO's claim to worthiness is his genius and skill and what-have-you, whereas Romney the milk-drinker (I distrust a man with no public vices, BTW) has not claimed anything more or other than that he's been a successful busnessman, whyever not should His Excellency release such proofs as may exist of his academic acumen in exchange of Romney's tax records?

After all, had Mitt cheated or dodged, surely the IRS would have taken notice by now...

He may very well have cheated and taken the government up on its offer of amnesty.

194 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:05:03pm

re: #191 JamesWI

Then on what other basis?

Certainly not experience.

Unless, of course, one believes in the cult of personality.

195 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:05:07pm

Destro out there fighting with his sword. It's kind of funny. He's more intense than Buck. On opposite ends though.

196 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:05:35pm

re: #193 Mocking Jay

Then it ought to be proved and left alone.

But that there's no evidence of evasion....

197 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:05:57pm

re: #187 moderatelyradicalliberal

Woman. And no thanks, you might have cooties. ;)

What's wrong with man cooties?

198 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:05:58pm

We shouldn't bury shit like that.

199 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:06:22pm

re: #196 Guanxi88

Then it ought to be proved and left alone.

But that there's no evidence of evasion....

Fine fine fine.

So why won't he release them?

200 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:06:34pm

re: #194 Guanxi88

Then on what other basis?

Certainly not experience.

Unless, of course, one believes in the cult of personality.

How about.....his ideas? His proposals? His agenda?

201 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:07:14pm

re: #174 Gus

Weirdest. Flounce. Ever.

Still reserved for the dousing flounce.

202 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:07:35pm

re: #195 Gus

Destro out there fighting with his sword. It's kind of funny. He's more intense than Buck. On opposite ends though.

Can we arrange a cage match between the two of them?

203 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:07:51pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

Still reserved for the dousing flounce.

Save the BBQ for DF.

204 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:08:19pm

re: #199 Mocking Jay

Vice versa.

Unless, of course, one wishes to engage in the "tuo quoque" evasion, in which case one is free to claim - without support - that the incumbent is a genius and a transformational figure, whereas the challenger is a successful capitalist seeking leadership during a time of national impoverishment.

205 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:08:21pm

Shit, now I done gone and seen it all. A wingnut on another board actually dragged up Herman Cain's comments from last year, asserting that the Taliban was gaining a foothold in Libya, and is trying to use yesterday's attacks as vindication.

My faith in humanity just took another nose-dive.

206 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:09:15pm

re: #200 JamesWI

Hope, change, and sea levels lowering?

The acclaim of masses in Germany?

The support of Gaza call-banks?

Not a record on which I'd care to run.

207 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:09:19pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

After all, had Mitt cheated or dodged, surely the IRS would have taken notice by now...

The continuing interest in what he is hiding has little or nothing to do with suspicion of illegal activity, I am sure you realize this.

208 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:09:25pm

re: #72 Guanxi88

Not quite that far. I'm about an hour from SA and Austin, both. Living in Guadalupe County, of all places, but it suits me.

I love New Braunfels, but it's just too damned spendy for me to be more than a visitor.

Hey, any town that celebrates a Wurst Fest is okay in my book. She Who Must Be Obeyed is the principal harpist with the Mid-Texas Symphony which splits gigs between New Braunfels and Seguin.

209 Coracle  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:01pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

You can quit with the 'His Excellency' bullshit. That shows your colors already. That and not being able to tell the difference in importance between tax records and school transcripts.

210 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:01pm

re: #207 bratwurst

Indeed, and I'd suggest you;d contact the IRS in this connection.

211 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:28pm

re: #204 Guanxi88

Vice versa.

Unless, of course, one wishes to engage in the "tuo quoque" evasion, in which case one is free to claim - without support - that the incumbent is a genius and a transformational figure, whereas the challenger is a successful capitalist seeking leadership during a time of national impoverishment.

Fine. No transcripts for you. No tax returns for us.

The SS Romney is still taking on water.

212 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:40pm

re: #188 Guanxi88

True enough, and it is a problem for him, especially in an age of diminished and ever-diminishing expectations.

The question is, however, this: if the incumbent's campaign is aware of illegality, at which there have been ever so many hints, why not act on it? Answer: Romney's obeyed the law, and has prospered by way of honest dealing.

I don't think the Obama Campaign knows what's in Romney's tax returns. They just know that Romney is afraid to show what's in his returns and the reasons are endless as to why he doesn't. I don't think it's anything illegal, but whatever it is Romney thinks it would hurt him badly. Sou you take the "what's Romney hiding.......?" and run with it. The fact that Romney's own father started the tradition of disclosing several years of returns makes it another double whammy.

213 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:48pm

Not releasing his tax returns is the only thing Mitt hasn't flip-flopped on. Makes you wonder.

214 Belafon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:53pm

re: #102 Guanxi88

No, but their absence is at least as revealing as the absence of academic proof of the President's genius.

Um, Obama didn't run for president as an academic genius, in part, because that's not what the office calls for. As for releasing them, they would prove nothing to the wingers, just like the birth certificate didn't.

On the other hand, Romney's trying out for the head of the executive branch, you know, the one that spends money and enforces the laws of the land. I think it's a pretty good idea to know how he has treated the laws he wants to be in charge of enforcing.

And this Texan is glad the temp is < 100.

215 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:54pm

re: #205 Targetpractice

Shit, now I done gone and seen it all. A wingnut on another board actually dragged up Herman Cain's comments from last year, asserting that the Taliban was gaining a foothold in Libya, and is trying to use yesterday's attacks as vindication.

My faith in humanity just took another nose-dive.

I find that with both of my nostrils plugged by fingers, nothing much dives into my nose.

216 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:10:59pm

re: #199 Mocking Jay

Fine fine fine.

So why won't he release them?

He's probably a privacy nut.

217 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:23pm

re: #210 Guanxi88

Indeed, and I'd suggest you;d contact the IRS in this connection.

So we can agree that your 183 was full of hot air.

218 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:26pm

re: #209 Coracle

True, the tac records are empirically verifiable, whereas the transcripts are themselves subjective measures.

I apologize for muddying the waters, though I would remind you that 'His Excellency' is in fact the proper mode of address for the President of the United States

219 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:35pm

re: #190 Guanxi88

Might? Were you to know my history, there'd be no doubt.

LOL!

220 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:38pm

I was making a similar argument as Guanxi88 is tonight a couple of weeks ago. ;)

221 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:11:43pm

re: #216 Gus

He's probably a privacy nut.

That must be it.

222 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:12:15pm

The tax thing is weird given bipartisan precedent.

223 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:12:19pm

re: #206 Guanxi88

Hope, change, and sea levels lowering?

The acclaim of masses in Germany?

The support of Gaza call-banks?

Not a record on which I'd care to run.

Oh yeah, his ideas are so terrible. Ending the war in Iraq, drawing down the war in Afghanistan, extending health insurance to millions of people. Saving the auto industry.

His ideas are shit, you've got me there!

224 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:12:19pm

re: #221 Mocking Jay

That must be it.

I remember it used to be never ask someone how much they make.

225 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:12:36pm

re: #201 Varek Raith

Still reserved for the dousing flounce.

Gawd, I'd forgotten about the dowser.

226 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:12:44pm

re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal

In the context of President with a foreign-born and Communist father, I'm not altogether certain that invoking a paternal mandate is necessarily constructive.

227 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:01pm

I still wonder if Romney's returns show he didn't tithe enough to his church. Definitely not illegal, but hoo-boy would it result in other nasty consequences...

228 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:08pm

re: #223 JamesWI

They've worked well, I grant you.....

229 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:23pm

re: #197 b_sharp

What's wrong with man cooties?

I work in a health clinic and there can be plenty wrong with man cooties!

230 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:25pm

re: #218 Guanxi88

True, the tac records are empirically verifiable, whereas the transcripts are themselves subjective measures.

I apologize for muddying the waters, though I would remind you that 'His Excellency' is in fact the proper mode of address for the President of the United States

Yes. I am sure that that's why you used that honorific.

231 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:37pm

re: #206 Guanxi88

Hope, change, and sea levels lowering?

The acclaim of masses in Germany?

The support of Gaza call-banks?

Not a record on which I'd care to run.

Uh, there's been a couple of things happen since 2008.

232 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:44pm

re: #219 moderatelyradicalliberal

Heels and a heart-beat.

233 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:45pm

re: #225 SanFranciscoZionist

Gawd, I'd forgotten about the dowser.

Still this one was like. I went through one of the galleries. JHC.

234 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:13:58pm

re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist

True enough. But the past is prologue.

235 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:07pm

OK, I'm staying out of that one.

236 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:15pm

re: #212 moderatelyradicalliberal

I don't think the Obama Campaign knows what's in Romney's tax returns. They just know that Romney is afraid to show what's in his returns and the reasons are endless as to why he doesn't. I don't think it's anything illegal, but whatever it is Romney thinks it would hurt him badly. Sou you take the "what's Romney hiding.......?" and run with it. The fact that Romney's own father started the tradition of disclosing several years of returns makes it another double whammy.

He doesn't want to release them. That makes them rather interesting.

I doubt there's much in there.

237 alpuz  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:38pm

Creepy seems to be tonight's theme. Weird.

238 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:41pm

re: #226 Guanxi88

In the context of President with a foreign-born and Communist father, I'm not altogether certain that invoking a paternal mandate is necessarily constructive.

Okay, you earned some contempt from me with that remark.

239 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:45pm

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "douser." Should I be happy about that?

240 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:48pm

re: #74 moderatelyradicalliberal

I hope Obdi is OK.

What am I missing? Seriously!

(worried)

241 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:14:48pm

Some pretty whacky shit to read here.

242 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:15:06pm

re: #183 Guanxi88

Other than documenting the legal success of a man in earning a living and then some, what possible point can there be in releasing tax records in response to an incumbent's request to do so?

The fact is that the job he's applying for has a crucial role in shaping tax policy, has submitting, veto and sign off authority on revenue bills passed into law. Therefore how he makes and handles his own money is germane and of legitimate interest to the electorate whose vote he seeks. The effective tax rate he pays along with the loopholes and tax havens he employs to shield his money would be instructive and place the candidate's own tax proposals in an informative real world context. If there is a gross disparity between the rhetoric the candidate employs about how the tax burden is distributed in this country and their own real world effective tax rate then forcing them to release their returns would help to bring that debate to the surface.

243 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:15:29pm

re: #230 Mocking Jay

Why I should choose to use it is largely irrelevant. Unless, of course, one believes that it is not enough to show respect, but to FEEL it, too.re: #238 Mocking Jay

Contempt, I'll take.

Just sayin', is all.

244 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:15:34pm

I think this book about Mitt Romney's dad provides the best insight into what made Mitt the shameless political animal that he is.

There is no reason to assume a child will assume the politics of their father and that is not the point I am making. Heck, my dad and I could not disagree more about politics.

When you skim through this little known book, you will get a sense that Mitt is just following in his dad's footsteps when it comes to being a power hungry backstabber, very comfortable at lying, with a win-at-all-costs attitude toward politics.

There is no love in Michigan for George Romney. I have never met a single person or read a newspaper story or essay singing his praises as Governor. It was good riddance and don't let the screened door hit your ass on the way out. And that was from the people in his own party.

245 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:16:18pm

Mitt backed himself into this corner over taxes.
When he was running for gov, he said he was paying taxes in Mass. Trust him on this his spokesman said.
He was finally forced to release them.
Turned out to be a complete lie. He hadn't being paying taxes in Mass.

246 Coracle  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:16:27pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

True enough. But the past is prologue.

Jeez louise. It is indeed. The Great Recession was one hell of a prologue.

Some serious turd-lobbing, Guanxi.

247 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:16:31pm

Although. Technically. Some of that Kahanist shit was really weird too.

248 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:16:36pm

re: #239 JamesWI

Someone flounced one night when people were making fun of dowsing. [Link: www.randi.org...]

249 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:16:43pm

re: #242 goddamnedfrank

Yes, how he makes money is germane.

Does he use taxpayer funds to earn a living?

Does he use influence to funnel funds to those who support his candidacy?

Does he indebt those who are obliged to kick in?

all relevant questions.

250 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:17:09pm

re: #243 Guanxi88

Why I should choose to use it is largely irrelevant. Unless, of course, one believes that it is not enough to show respect, but to FEEL it, too.re: #238 Mocking Jay

Contempt, I'll take.

Just sayin', is all.

Ha! Good one. Mock him, and then try and make me feel like a dick for calling you out on it.

251 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:17:16pm

re: #246 Coracle

I haven't started.


Let me pour myself some bourbon, and watch what happens...

252 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:17:46pm

re: #250 Mocking Jay

Seems an accepted tactic here and elsewhere, so whyever not?

253 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:23pm

re: #252 Guanxi88

Seems an accepted tactic here and elsewhere, so whyever not?

Might I suggest. Slow down.

254 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:31pm

re: #226 Guanxi88

In the context of President with a foreign-born and Communist father, I'm not altogether certain that invoking a paternal mandate is necessarily constructive.

Barack Obama's foreign born and Communist father didn't run for President of the United States. Romney's foreign born and from a polygamist Mexican Mormon commune did.

Oh hey look, Barack and Mitt have shit in common. Both of their fathers where born on foreign soil and their ancestors where polygamists.

255 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:37pm

Presidential candidates have been releasing multiple years of returns for almost 50 years now.
Mitt released one and an estimate of another.

256 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:18:41pm

Oh brother.

257 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:18pm

re: #252 Guanxi88

Seems an accepted tactic here and elsewhere, so whyever not?

Go for a walk.

258 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:23pm

re: #234 Guanxi88

True enough. But the past is prologue.

To killing Bin Laden? I'll take it.

259 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:25pm

re: #253 Gus

Ha! never quit when you're behind.

260 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:40pm

re: #253 Gus

Might I suggest. Slow down.

He's got a LOT of self-satisfied regurgitation of right wing talking points to catch up on here!

261 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:19:50pm

re: #257 Gus

Nah! I like this. You folks keep me sane and on an even keel

262 Coracle  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:03pm

re: #254 moderatelyradicalliberal

Barack Obama's foreign born and Communist father didn't run for President of the United States. Romney's foreign born and from a polygamist Mexican Mormon commune did.

Welfare. Don't forget Mitt's dad also received welfare. So really, he was a communist too.

263 Belafon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:04pm

re: #218 Guanxi88

Um, no. The only proper title for the president is "Mr. President." We do not use "His Excellency." The founders were against all titles.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:08pm

re: #239 JamesWI

I have no idea what you're talking about with the "douser." Should I be happy about that?

Years ago, someone flounced because people weren't showing respect for dowsing.

You never know what's going to be controversial until people are flouncing over dowsing.

265 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:11pm

re: #260 bratwurst

Not nearly so much as you might think.

266 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:19pm

Worst. Job Interview. Ever.

So a guy walks into my office the other day looking for high leadership position in our company. We currently have someone in that job, but his contract is up soon and we’re not sure if we’ll be renewing it, so we decided to interview this new person and see what he’s all about. The job interview went like this:
...
US: Ok… Well… The position you are applying for involves the overseeing of extremely large amounts of money, so we typically like to see your financial records. You can also tell a great deal about a person’s integrity and responsibility levels by the way they manage their money. As this is such an important position in our company, I’m assuming you wouldn’t mind releasing your personal financial reports?

APPLICANT: If I release some of my personal financial records, you’ll just attack what’s in there. Besides, I don’t think your company really even cares about personal financial records.

US: Ummmm… ok… Let’s try something else. If you were to be hired for this position, can you tell us what you would do to improve productivity in the company?

APPLICANT: I would make everything better. I would cut costs while raising profits and make everything just right.

US: That sounds good, but how would you do that? What costs would you cut? And can you provide any specifics about policies or practices that you would implement to raise profits?

APPLICANT: I don’t think I really need to tell you that right now. I’ll tell you how I would change things, but not until after I’m hired.

US: Soooo, let me make sure I have this correct. You don’t want to go into detail about your business experience, you won’t show us your financial background, AND you won’t even tell us anything specific about how you would do the job?

APPLICANT: You’ll just have to trust me.

267 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:22pm

re: #252 Guanxi88

Seems an accepted tactic here and elsewhere, so whyever not?

Do you even really want to defend Mitt? Because I get the impression you just want to dump on Obama. Seriously, cut out the middleman and save us all a lot of time.

268 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:24pm

I see a new generation of XCOM games is coming out next month.

269 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:20:25pm

re: #240 austin_blue

What am I missing? Seriously!

(worried)

Check the previous thread.

270 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:09pm

OMG Outrage!

271 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:22pm

re: #263 Belafon

Um, no. The only proper title for the president is "Mr. President." We do not use "His Excellency." The founders were against all titles.

You may refer to me as that though.

272 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:24pm

Why would anyone believe Mitt when he says he didn't cheat on his taxes? When he was in charge of auditing for Marriot Corporation, they were fined $70 million by the IRS for a tax evasion scam that Mitt knew all about. Son of BOSS.

Mitt's idea of legal is that anything that hasn't yet been determined by the IRS to be illegal must be legal. It does not work like that with the IRS. There are a lot of examples of questionable tax loopholes that the IRS shut down years after the fact and backcharged penalties on the perps.

273 alpuz  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:36pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

Over what?

274 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:39pm

re: #270 Killgore Trout

OMG Outrage!

Don't get involved.

275 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:43pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

You may refer to me as that though.

Yes, Your Excremency.

276 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:47pm

re: #264 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #263 Belafon

277 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:21:57pm

re: #188 Guanxi88

True enough, and it is a problem for him, especially in an age of diminished and ever-diminishing expectations.

The question is, however, this: if the incumbent's campaign is aware of illegality, at which there have been ever so many hints, why not act on it? Answer: Romney's obeyed the law, and has prospered by way of honest dealing.

The optics of the Obama administration attempting to prosecute his presidential opponent on tax charges would be bad. Very bad.

278 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:06pm

re: #275 Kragar

Yes, Your Excremency.

All Hail the Excrement!

279 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:13pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

How else ought I to refer to Your Lordship?

280 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:27pm

re: #274 Gus

Don't get involved.

May as well tell the scorpion to not sting the frog.

281 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:47pm

re: #275 Kragar

Yes, Your Excremency.

re: #278 Gus

All Hail the Excrement!

ZZZAAAPPPP

282 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:22:53pm

re: #278 Gus

The Most Horrorable

283 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:23:12pm

re: #277 makeitstop

Optics.

How pointless and meaningless a term.

A law-breaker's a law-breaker.

If Romney's broken the law, then prosecute him.

Otherwise, STFU.

284 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:23:22pm

re: #282 jaunte

The Most Horrorable

I feel a bowel movement coming on.

285 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:23:25pm

Pssst...I think that dude might have some different ideas. Don't say anything to anybody but I think his different ideas might be dangerous or something. Let's wait until he falls asleep and pummel him with pillow cases full of soap bars.

286 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:23:58pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

Pssst...I think that dude might have some different ideas. Don't say anything to anybody but I think his different ideas might be dangerous or something. Let's wait until he falls asleep and pummel him with pillow cases full of soap bars.

I'm not pummeling him.

287 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:23:58pm

re: #283 Guanxi88

Optics.

How pointless and meaningless a term.

A law-breaker's a law-breaker.

If Romney's broken the law, then prosecute him.

Otherwise, STFU.

Is that all we base our Presidents on? Has everything they've done been legal? I think not.

288 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:00pm
289 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:16pm

re: #268 Kragar

I see a new generation of XCOM games is coming out next month.

[Embedded content]

...there is a god.

290 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:31pm

re: #286 Gus

I'm not pummeling him.

Good, wait until he's asleep.

291 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:52pm

re: #267 Mocking Jay

Meh, Mitt's not my choice - any man who won't share a bourbon with me is not worth trusting - but the incumbent has yet to prove himself a good enough conservative.

292 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:52pm

re 267 Mocking Jay:

Do you even really want to defend Mitt? Because I get the impression you just want to dump on Obama.

Its blogging Super PAC style. Don't post anything positive about your candidate, just take potshots at the other guy. He's just trying to comply with Citizen's United. /

293 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:57pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

Good, wait until he's asleep.

Oh come on. That's a cheap shot.

294 alpuz  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:24:59pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

So it's you who has been 'outraged'?

295 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:25:11pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

Pssst...I think that dude might have some different ideas. Don't say anything to anybody but I think his different ideas might be dangerous or something. Let's wait until he falls asleep and pummel him with pillow cases full of soap bars.

I thought we were discussing this. In fact, I'm pretty sure I haven't even dropped a four-letter word. So what the fu...dge are you going on about?

296 Belafon  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:25:29pm

re: #277 makeitstop

Plus, it's not the job of the campaign to prosecute anything. They are to run for reelection. On the other hand, the IRS can do things like look into how Bain was treating some of their consulting fees as capital gains to get a lower tax rate on them.

297 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:26:20pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

I admire your honesty.

And you'll always be my go-to guy for gardening, etc.

Which makes you a good guy all around.

298 Coracle  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:26:43pm

re: #291 Guanxi88

Meh, Mitt's not my choice - any man who won't share a bourbon with me is not worth trusting - but the incumbent has yet to prove himself a good enough conservative.

Ok, now that was actually funny. But you're not really fooling anyone.

299 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:26:49pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

Pssst...I think that dude might have some different ideas. Don't say anything to anybody but I think his different ideas might be dangerous or something. Let's wait until he falls asleep and pummel him with pillow cases full of soap bars.

Maybe, but sometimes people like to talk shit just to see what happens.

300 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:27:23pm

re: #285 Killgore Trout

Pssst...I think that dude might have some different ideas.

Different? There is a movie by Dinesh D'Souza that is all the rage in the cinema these days that is largely full of the same ideas.

301 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:28:14pm

re: #298 Coracle

And who said I was trying to fool anyone?

A hippy who'll share my bourbon is more trustworthy than a Republican who won't.

302 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:28:28pm

re: #291 Guanxi88

Meh, Mitt's not my choice - any man who won't share a bourbon with me is not worth trusting - but the incumbent has yet to prove himself a good enough conservative.

Oh. So you just won't vote for a Mormon. Okay.

303 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:28:29pm

Mitts tax forms are really a distraction just like the request for Obama transcripts are. Sort of. The tax form requests are an attempt to find something dishonourable about Romney so anything he says can be summarily disregarded. The request for Obama transcripts is the same attempt but with racism added. The underlying assumption is that Obama entered college under affirmative action and graduated because of preferential treatment.

304 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:29:16pm

LOL.....I just saw Paul Ryan's ad on TV just now. The one where he's running for re-election in the House.

305 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:29:48pm

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who expressed concern, but I'm fine. Just sometimes have to stop directly addressing something like that before my brain melts.

306 Guanxi88  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:30:00pm

re: #302 Mocking Jay

Oh. So you just won't vote for a Mormon. Okay.

push comes to shove, I will.

rather have Romney as POTUS and Obama as a reference.

307 JRCMYP  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:30:02pm

Posted below in case it matters:

Obdicut, I have an 8 year old son. And an 11 year old son and a 7 year old son. I just want to put my arms around your 8 year old self. I'm so sorry.

And Charles, delete away.

308 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:30:24pm

re: #303 b_sharp

Mitts tax forms are really a distraction just like the request for Obama transcripts are. Sort of. The tax form requests are an attempt to find something dishonourable about Romney so anything he says can be summarily disregarded. The request for Obama transcripts is the same attempt but with racism added. The underlying assumption is that Obama entered college under affirmative action and graduated because of preferential treatment.

The only thing that I could see is codifying it. Otherwise, if it's not codified it technically will remain an option.

309 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:30:52pm

re: #304 JamesWI

LOL.....I just saw Paul Ryan's ad on TV just now. The one where he's running for re-election in the House.

I've heard his race has tightened up since Romney picked him. How interesting. Wouldn't mind seeing him lose his seat. Of course, my big wish is for Eric Cantor to lose his but Cantor would need an Edwin Edwards and a strong opponent and maybe a strong Democratic year to boot. I exaggerate but unfortunately he's not going anywhere.

310 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:30:57pm

Obama's still ahead so. Relax.

311 JRCMYP  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:31:55pm

re: #226 Guanxi88

In the context of President with a foreign-born and Communist father, I'm not altogether certain that invoking a paternal mandate is necessarily constructive.

WTF?

312 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:32:00pm

re: #306 Guanxi88

push comes to shove, I will.

rather have Romney as POTUS and Obama as a reference.

So what Obama policies do you disagree with?

313 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:32:10pm

The IRA was intended to be a way for people to save for their retirement.

It was not intended to be a tax shelter for the mega rich to accummulate $100 million retirement accounts by under-reporting what was being deposited and then using insider trading information to blow up the account to 9 digits, beating the market by oh about 100 times.

And its silly to say that if the IRS hasn't shut it down, it must be legal. They have a tendency to make retroactive rulings on tax cheats.

314 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:32:21pm

re: #289 Targetpractice

...there is a god.

They kept up with turned based combat as well.

315 austin_blue  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:32:50pm

re: #269 moderatelyradicalliberal

Check the previous thread.

Oh shit oh dear.

Hugs to Obdi. I'm going to take a shower. Literally, That's just evil.

Night all. Just a wish, but no nightmares tonight, OK?

Weird, weird day on this board and in the world. Ick.

316 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:33:20pm

re: #305 Obdicut

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone who expressed concern, but I'm fine. Just sometimes have to stop directly addressing something like that before my brain melts.

Good. I know you don't want anyone feeling sorry for you, but I was angry and sad for you. I guess I'm emotional anyway because I went to a funeral today.

Anyway, I'm glad you are OK.

317 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:33:24pm

re: #313 Mich-again

It was not intended to be a tax shelter for the mega rich to accummulate $100 million retirement accounts by under-reporting what was being deposited and then using insider trading information to blow up the account to 9 digits, beating the market by oh about 100 times.

That does seem like a red flag.

318 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:33:43pm

re: #283 Guanxi88

Optics.

How pointless and meaningless a term.

A law-breaker's a law-breaker.

If Romney's broken the law, then prosecute him.

Otherwise, STFU.

Right. Damn the torpedoes, arrest my opponent!

You're just being kinda dopey now.

319 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:34:08pm

re: #317 jaunte

That does seem like a red flag.

Oh, but it's all legal so we should not judge Mitt on it, no way no how.

320 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:34:39pm

[Link: www.politico.com...]
Looks like Akin isn't going to the value voters summit as originally reported. Seems like Ryan asked him not to go. Yeah, you really don't want a guy who talked about "legitimate rape" speaking at a value voters summit. Not like the FRC hasn't defended Akin's sexist and ridiculous bullshit though and the only reason he ain't going is because he's a political liability.

321 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:34:44pm

I'll all for different ideas. But I cannot stand intellectual dishonesty and comments that leave me thinking "Wow, you really think I'm dumb enough to fall for that crap?"

99.99999% of "conservative" arguments meet that bill nowadays.

322 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:34:53pm

re: #316 moderatelyradicalliberal

Good. I know you don't want anyone feeling sorry for you, but I was angry and sad for you. I guess I'm emotional anyway because I went to a funeral today.

Anyway, I'm glad you are OK.

The way I worked that out with loved ones a long time ago is "You can feel sorry for the eight year old me".

323 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:35:22pm

re: #321 Interesting Times

I'll all for different ideas. But I cannot stand intellectual dishonesty and comments that leave me thinking "Wow, you really think I'm dumb enough to fall for that crap?"

99.99999% of "conservative" arguments meet that bill nowadays.

KT just groaned.

324 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:35:59pm

Unfortunately, I won't be able to vote Paul Ryan out of the House in November. I have the pleasure of living in the district that keeps on sending fat sack of crap James Sensenbrenner year after year, for some reason or another.

325 Coracle  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:36:30pm

re: #306 Guanxi88

push comes to shove, I will.

rather have Romney as POTUS and Obama as a reference.

Hm. What attracts you to him more? The tax cuts for the 1%? The war with Iran? The full repeal of the ACA (except for those bits he (sometimes) likes)? The banning of abortion?

326 General Nimrod Bodfish  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:37:02pm

I see these pictures of the Libyans in Benghazi holding signs apologizing to the US over the death of our ambassador and Libya's biggest supporter of the revolution, and I can't help but think that the citizens of Libya shouldn't apologize, nor should be expect one from them (though we do, and should, welcome them).

No, the ones who should be apologizing are the ones who inflamed the tensions there, the ones who planned and carried out the attack that not only killed our men there, but also embarrassed the people of Libya who are thankful for the support the Western world gave them while their own people fought and died for the revolution.

A part of me wants the perpetrators of this heinous act that killed Christopher Stevens and three other men to be captured by Libyans, held (humanely) by Libyans, tried by their fellow Libyans (fairly), and if convicted, serve out their sentences in Libya. But I would also be happy if the perps were captured/killed by DEVGRU (formerly SEAL Team 6)/Delta Force/Predator drone/other American means.

The best way we can honor Mr. Stevens and the fallen three is by continuing his work with Libyans to further a free, democratic government through diplomacy.

327 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:37:14pm

re: #322 Obdicut

The way I worked that out with loved ones a long time ago is "You can feel sorry for the eight year old me".

I was.

328 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:38:30pm

re: #297 Guanxi88

I admire your honesty.

And you'll always be my go-to guy for gardening, etc.

Which makes you a good guy all around.

Yeah, I'm pretty fantastic.
;)

329 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:38:49pm

re: #326 General Nimrod Bodfish

I see these pictures of the Libyans in Benghazi holding signs apologizing to the US over the death of our ambassador and Libya's biggest supporter of the revolution, and I can't help but think that the citizens of Libya shouldn't apologize, nor should be expect one from them (though we do, and should, welcome them).

No, the ones who should be apologizing are the ones who inflamed the tensions there, the ones who planned and carried out the attack that not only killed our men there, but also embarrassed the people of Libya who are thankful for the support the Western world gave them while their own people fought and died for the revolution.

A part of me wants the perpetrators of this heinous act that killed Christopher Stevens and three other men to be captured by Libyans, held (humanely) by Libyans, tried by their fellow Libyans (fairly), and if convicted, serve out their sentences in Libya. But I would also be happy if the perps were captured/killed by DEVGRU (formerly SEAL Team 6)/Delta Force/Predator drone/other American means.

The best way we can honor Mr. Stevens and the fallen three is by continuing his work with Libyans to further a free, democratic government through diplomacy.

I agree it's not for them to apologize. But it's sweet and kind and the world needs all of those two things it can get.

330 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:38:59pm

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:39:28pm

re: #271 Varek Raith

You may refer to me as that though.

Do you have your own special guitar riff that mysteriously plays when you or other people say it?

332 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:41:11pm

re: #331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do you have your own special guitar riff that mysteriously plays when you or other people say it?

I wish...

333 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:41:20pm

re: #329 moderatelyradicalliberal

I agree it's not for them to apologize. But it's sweet and kind and the world needs all of those two things it can get.

If the apologies help some people get over their anti Muslims biases, then that's great. Honestly, I was genuinely touched seeing the photos I saw. Felt an equal anger seeing Trump's moronic post on Twitter decrying Obama's policies that resulted in Qaddafi being overthrown because you know he never supported terrorist attacks against civilians ever.// The Libyan people with their response to this tragedy have shown a genuine warmth, one that I hope is not forgotten.

334 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:42:50pm

re: #331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do you have your own special guitar riff that mysteriously plays when you or other people say it?

Nah, he's got an orchestra in the background that starts playing "The Imperial March" whenever he enters the room.

335 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:07pm

Intrade has Obama at 63.1% now, his highest point since May 2011. Romney needs to stop digging.

336 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:11pm

re: #322 Obdicut

Heh. The way I worked that out with loved ones a long time ago is "You can feel sorry for the eight year old me".

{{hugs}} I'm glad you're okay.
My oldest son is eight.
Motherly rage for the eight year old you is what I felt.

337 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:42pm

re: #335 goddamnedfrank

Intrade has Obama at 63.1% now, his highest point since May 2011. Romney needs to stop digging.

Oh that means he's only going to get more desperate.

338 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:43:47pm
339 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:44:04pm

re: #331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do you have your own special guitar riff that mysteriously plays when you or other people say it?

I do...

340 moderatelyradicalliberal  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:44:47pm

re: #335 goddamnedfrank

Intrade has Obama at 63.1% now, his highest point since May 2011. Romney needs to stop digging.

He can't. He's committed.

341 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:23pm

re: #334 Targetpractice

Nah, he's got an orchestra in the background that starts playing "The Imperial March" whenever he enters the room.

He thinks so. It's actually half a dozen Ewoks with out of tune kazoos.
:D

342 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:26pm

re: #339 Kragar

I do...

[Embedded content]

They rock.

343 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:44pm

re: #335 goddamnedfrank

Intrade has Obama at 63.1% now, his highest point since May 2011. Romney needs to stop digging.

Frank, that's been his problem this entire time, that he gets himself into a hole and doesn't stop digging until a new hole opens up.

344 Dancing along the light of day  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:47pm

re: #305 Obdicut

((Obdi)) You can never have too many hugs!

345 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:45:56pm

re: #335 goddamnedfrank

Intrade has Obama at 63.1% now, his highest point since May 2011. Romney needs to stop digging.

No. No he doesn't.
I will give him a backhoe loader.
No charge.
:)

346 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:46:24pm

re: #311 JRCMYP

WTF?

I can't parse it.

347 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:46:51pm

re: #342 Varek Raith

They rock.

Greatest final battle of any anime ever...

348 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:48:17pm

re: 337 Happy Warrior

Oh that means he's only going to get more desperate.

I think the RMoney campaign is in stage 2 of the 5 stages of grief. Anger.

349 b_Snark  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:49:29pm

re: #331 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Do you have your own special guitar riff that mysteriously plays when you or other people say it?

Just the theme to Jaws.

350 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:49:46pm

re: #348 Mich-again

re: 337 Happy Warrior

I think the RMoney campaign is in stage 2 of the 5 stages of grief. Anger.

Bargaining's next then.

351 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:50:02pm

From a colleague of Sean Smith, one of the US State Department officials that died in the fire:

I'd like to thank all of you for the kind comments about Sean. I worked with him and we both have the same job for the Dept. of State. I thought that you may like to know why he was there till the end and didn't leave with everyone else. One of the requirements of our job is that we control all of the Secret and cryptology equipment at Embassy's and Consulate's. While the non-essential staff were allowed to get out, he had to stick it out until everything was destroyed to keep it from falling into hostile hands which could put more lives at risk. He was a great Communicator and friend and he will be missed in our small community as he will be missed in yours.

352 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:50:22pm

re: #350 HappyWarrior

Bargaining's next then.

Kinda thought that's where he already was. "I'll say anything you wingnuts want me to say, just vote for me!!"

353 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:52:41pm

re: #351 Obdicut

From a colleague of Sean Smith, one of the US State Department officials that died in the fire:

A hero. And another reason why ragging on government employees is so nonsensical. Thanks Sean.

354 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:52:49pm

Looks like the Republicans might have to stop asking "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"

Also, from the Fox Poll:

Finally, how would voters feel about another term for President Obama? Half of likely voters (50 percent) say they feel the country’s “improving” every day and they would “look forward” to another four years. That’s more than the 43 percent who say the country’s going “down the drain” and they “dread” what would happen in a second term.

Nate Silver's got his odds up over 80% for Obama, and even RCP has finally shifted Michigan from "toss-up" to "leans Obama" which puts Obama 33 electoral votes from the win. Florida has 29 votes.

Not a good day at all for Mr. Romney. Couldn't have happened to a nicer man.

355 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:53:03pm

re: #352 Targetpractice

Kinda thought that's where he already was. "I'll say anything you wingnuts want me to say, just vote for me!!"

Heh you have a point yet but he's been doing that since the primaries.

356 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:54:15pm

re: #354 JamesWI

Looks like the Republicans might have to stop asking "Are you better off than you were four years ago?"

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Also, from the Fox Poll:

Nate Silver's got his odds up over 80% for Obama, and even RCP has finally shifted Michigan from "toss-up" to "leans Obama" which puts Obama 33 electoral votes from the win. Florida has 29 votes.

Not a good day at all for Mr. Romney. Couldn't have happened to a nicer man.

Sounds about right. Seems like Mitt's attempt to channel Reagan has been a flop. He's not even close to Reagan on a good day.

357 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:54:44pm

re: #338 Gus

retort:

358 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:55:06pm

re: #355 HappyWarrior

Heh you have a point yet but he's been doing that since the primaries.

He's all over the board, really.

One day it's Denial: "The polls don't matter, I know I'm gonna win!"

Then it's Anger: "Who do you peons think you are, questioning me like that!?"

Then it's Bargaining: "Remember that thing I was against? Well, now I'm for it...conditionally."

Won't be long before Depression sets in: "So what if I'm going to lose? The country's gonna just keep going down the hole!"

359 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:55:44pm

Obama on Libya attacks: 'We will bring their killers to justice'

Yeah, that certainly sounds apologetic. I'm betting he won't even feel the need to invade another country under false pretenses to do it either.

360 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:55:58pm

re: #357 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

retort:

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361 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:15pm

re: #358 Targetpractice

He's all over the board, really.

One day it's Denial: "The polls don't matter, I know I'm gonna win!"

Then it's Anger: "Who do you peons think you are, questioning me like that!?"

Then it's Bargaining: "Remember that thing I was against? Well, now I'm for it...conditionally."

Won't be long before Depression sets in: "So what if I'm going to lose? The country's gonna just keep going down the hole!"

Yep. Honestly, the story if he loses should be very interesting. I'm expecting that Jay Roach who directed Recount and Game Change wants to tell this election's story too. Now the question, who do you have playing Mitt and Ryan?

362 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:16pm

Castles.

363 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:29pm

Made of sand.

364 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:31pm

re: #353 HappyWarrior

A hero. And another reason why ragging on government employees is so nonsensical. Thanks Sean.

He'd already served in the Air Force, too. Dude loved his country, couldn't get enough of public service.

365 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:41pm

Fall into the sea.

367 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:47pm

re: #356 HappyWarrior

Sounds about right. Seems like Mitt's attempt to channel Reagan has been a flop. He's not even close to Reagan on a good day.

Romney and the wingnuts have this weird memory when it comes to what Reagan would do in this situation. Considering that the response after Beirut was to withdraw the Marines, not reinforce them and dare the bombers to try again.

368 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:49pm

Eventually.

369 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:56:56pm

re: #359 Kragar

Obama on Libya attacks: 'We will bring their killers to justice'

Yeah, that certainly sounds apologetic. I'm betting he won't even feel the need to invade another country under false pretenses to do it either.

Man typical Obama always apologizing.

370 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:57:28pm

It's all good. I still love you Killgore.

371 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:58:08pm

re: #364 Obdicut

He'd already served in the Air Force, too. Dude loved his country, couldn't get enough of public service.

Like so many. We need more reminders out there that public service is nothing to be ashamed of and as a hopeful future State Department employee, he's a great role model to follow.

372 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:58:10pm
373 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:58:17pm

re: #369 HappyWarrior

Man typical Obama always apologizing.

Like when he apologized to those Somali pirates, or when he apologized to Bin laden, and he apologizes to the AQ leadership every couple of weeks.

374 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:58:48pm

I think Mitt is still in the denial stage. He thinks foreign policy is a distraction, Obama is an apologist, and that his donors will "win" him the election irrespective of his own words.

375 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:58:59pm

re: #373 Kragar

Like when he apologized to those Somali pirates, or when he apologized to Bin laden, and he apologizes to the AQ leadership every couple of weeks.

His apology to Qaddafi was pretty awesome too. You know, supporting his opponents. That's how you apologize.

376 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:59:09pm

re: #372 Obdicut

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I'm crying.

377 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:59:41pm

re: #367 Targetpractice

Romney and the wingnuts have this weird memory when it comes to what Reagan would do in this situation. Considering that the response after Beirut was to withdraw the Marines, not reinforce them and dare the bombers to try again.

Heh I was referring more to Gip's "Are you better off?" but that too. Reagan was more of a pragmatist on nuclear weapons too.

378 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:59:56pm

Why do I have this crazy idea that if Dick Cheney was still in power we would use the event in Libya as a reason to attack Iran?

379 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 8:59:58pm

re: #373 Kragar

Like when he apologized to those Somali pirates, or when he apologized to Bin laden, and he apologizes to the AQ leadership every couple of weeks.

Well you know, a real president would nuke them from orbit, just to show that you don't mess with America.

///

380 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:11pm

re: #373 Kragar

Like when he apologized to those Somali pirates, or when he apologized to Bin laden, and he apologizes to the AQ leadership every couple of weeks.

He'd apologize to Al Qaeda's #2 if it weren't for the fact that there's a new one every week.

381 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:00:46pm

re: #380 JamesWI

He'd apologize to Al Qaeda's #2 if it weren't for the fact that there's a new one every week.

Lots of apologies.

382 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:22pm

Heh kid brother actually heard a kid, parroting his folks no doubt I imagine suggesting that Obama shouldn't get any credit for the OBL raid because he wasn't there himself. Yeah like they're going to send in the CinC for a raid like that. As they say on ESPN, come on man!

383 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:31pm

re: #380 JamesWI

He's been apologizing the #2 out of them for a while now.

384 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:01:33pm

RIP Christopher Stevens.

385 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:02pm

re: #360 Gus

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It's still difficult for me to wrap my head around the idea that Jimi did what he did in just a handful of years, in his mid-20s. Sure, he was just another delta blues player, but his particular delta was on Mars.

386 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:11pm

re: #370 Gus

It's all good. I still love you Killgore.

Let's not get carried away here. I'll gladly accept distant apathy and indifference instead.

387 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:13pm
388 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:38pm

Let's thank the two Marines here too. My cousin's husband was an embassy guard when he was in the service. I think of him every time I hear some right wing asshole rag on atheists and suggest they can't love this country. And then I think of my CiL and his service to our nation.

389 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:02:48pm

re: #386 Killgore Trout

Let's not get carried away here. I'll gladly accept distant apathy and indifference instead.

That's pretty standard.

390 JamesWI  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:06pm

re: #375 HappyWarrior

His apology to Qaddafi was pretty awesome too. You know, supporting his opponents. That's how you apologize.

You've missed the wingnut train again. They say Obama shouldn't have supported the ouster of Qaddafi. The world would be much better off with him in charge because he never tried to kill Americans, or anyone else for that matter./

391 allegro  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:17pm

re: #373 Kragar

Like when he apologized to those Somali pirates, or when he apologized to Bin laden, and he apologizes to the AQ leadership every couple of weeks.

He's a great job creator. He's created a lot of new #2 guys.

392 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:47pm

re: #359 Kragar

Obama on Libya attacks: 'We will bring their killers to justice'

Yeah, that certainly sounds apologetic. I'm betting he won't even feel the need to invade another country under false pretenses to do it either.

There are other way to do it?

393 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:51pm

I've taken to simple response to wingnuts in the face of accusations that Obama "apologized" or "sympathized," namely that even the majority of Republicans don't believe that shit. If they did, we wouldn't be reading stories today about how Romney is virtually alone in his remarks.

394 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:03:51pm
395 alpuz  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:04:20pm

re: #382 HappyWarrior

396 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:04:21pm

re: #394 Kragar

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*facepalm*

397 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:04:27pm

re: #387 Kragar

[Link: de.twitter.com...]

Could it be Bryan, and I'm just suggesting here that maybe said general knows that the anti-Islam cottage industry is causing a lot of bad will towards Americans abroad. It is their freedom of speech but the general has every right to be concerned with Jones' rhetoric. Yeah this means that Islam is our state religion. That explains my pepperoni sausage sub and six pack of beer.

398 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:05:01pm

re: #394 Kragar

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And Bryan Fischer fucks dead corpses. See I can make up insidious lies too!

399 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:05:16pm

It is the height of cowardice to kick a hornets nest from the safety of your home knowing that others who are in harms way will take the heat for you.

400 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:05:50pm

re: #390 JamesWI

You've missed the wingnut train again. They say Obama shouldn't have supported the ouster of Qaddafi. The world would be much better off with him in charge because he never tried to kill Americans, or anyone else for that matter./

Ah, that's right. Whole Lockerbie. Must have been another Qaddafi?

401 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:05:56pm

re: #397 HappyWarrior

Could it be Bryan, and I'm just suggesting here that maybe said general knows that the anti-Islam cottage industry is causing a lot of bad will towards Americans abroad. It is their freedom of speech but the general has every right to be concerned with Jones' rhetoric. Yeah this means that Islam is our state religion. That explains my pepperoni sausage sub and six pack of beer.

"Hey do you mind not acting like a complete dick and saying things which lead to people trying to kill us?"
"STOP OPPRESSING ME!!!"

402 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:06:01pm

re: #394 Kragar

Fischer's missing her most obvious disqualification from being a Muslim brother.

403 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:06:09pm

re: #387 Kragar

[Link: de.twitter.com...]

Not really wise use of military personnel, especially considering he had almost nothing to do with the film. How about calling the press and tell them to stop misreporting and exaggerating his role?

404 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:06:13pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

And Bryan Fischer fucks dead corpses. See I can make up insidious lies too!

As opposed to live corpses?

405 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:06:39pm

re: #404 Kragar

As opposed to live corpses?

Haha. Touche.

406 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:06:45pm

All I know is, I would never want an apology from President Obama.
//

407 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:07:09pm

re: #398 HappyWarrior

And Bryan Fischer fucks dead corpses. See I can make up insidious lies too!

As opposed to... live corpses?

408 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:07:32pm

re: #407 Mocking Jay

As opposed to... live corpses?

Kragar already got me on that heh.

409 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:07:42pm

re: #407 Mocking Jay

As opposed to... live corpses?

Must learn to read the rest of the thread.

410 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:08:21pm

re: #407 Mocking Jay

As opposed to... live corpses?

411 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:10:07pm

re: #406 OhNoZombies!

All I know is, I would never want an apology from President Obama.
//

His apologies suck. Just ask Osama.

412 OhNoZombies!  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:10:27pm

Dear Bryan Fischer,

I would strongly suggest that you avoid thunderstorms.

Sincerely,
God

413 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:11:05pm

That's like the line you hear about bands all the time.

Live, in concert...

As opposed to what?

414 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:11:31pm

Took my wife out to dinner for a couple of hours, so I wasn't paying attention. Is Mitt Romney still fucking himself without grease?

415 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:11:32pm
416 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:21pm

re: #415 Lidane

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That's too bad but fortunately the people in charge are focused on getting justice for Ambassador Stevens and the others.

417 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:58pm

re: #414 darthstar

Took my wife out to dinner for a couple of hours, so I wasn't paying attention. Is Mitt Romney still fucking himself without grease?

If Romney was an Italian dictator, they would call him "Il Douche".

418 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:12:59pm

I don't think this posted in the previous thread, but Joe Scarborough has some words of encouragement for Mitt Romney

And the lesson is clear: If we want to win the battle of ideas in the long term, we should be willing to face the fact that Mitt Romney is likely to lose — and should, given that he’s neither a true conservative nor a courageous moderate. He’s just an ambitious man.

Go team!

419 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:13:21pm

re: #387 Kragar

"A general" = the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Nice.

420 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:13:52pm

re: #415 Lidane

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Pretty much all the news of today and the last couple days has been overshadowed by Willard blowing off his foot with an RPG. The teachers strike, the Israeli business, Moody threatening another downgrade, and now the attacks. The man has succeeded in turning himself into the center of attention, though not in the way he hoped.

421 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:14:35pm

re: #419 Lidane

"A general" = the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Nice.

He's obviously feminized the position.
/

422 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:15:10pm

In other news, I bought my post-season tickets for the Giants today. Bring on Cincinnati!

424 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:15:55pm

re: #420 Targetpractice

The man has succeeded in turning himself into the center of attention, though not in the way he hoped.

It takes talent to drive the last nail into your dying campaign's coffin while you're buried under shitty polls and desperate pleas from your base for more red meat. People tend to notice that.

425 jaunte  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:16:50pm

re: #418 darthstar

Smack.

DEFENSE SPENDING: The U.S. military-industrial complex is bloated beyond belief, and yet all Mitt Romney can do is promise bigger budgets and longer wars. Today the United States spends more on its military than all other countries combined. This does not make America safer. This puts us deeper in debt and poses a far greater threat to America’s long-term health than Russia and China combined.

Romney’s penchant for one-upmanship on seemingly every foreign policy issue that arises would stretch our military thin and limit our ability to neutralize real threats coming from countries like Iran.
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

426 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:16:54pm

re: #418 darthstar

I don't think this posted in the previous thread, but Joe Scarborough has some words of encouragement for Mitt Romney

Go team!

Heh, they're not even waiting for the debates, they're already starting with the excuse making for why Romney's gonna lose.

427 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:18:55pm

re: #425 jaunte

Smack.

The defense budget and Romney's reluctance to even consider defense cuts is why no one even and hell I would add especially the staunchest conservative should see him as better equipped to work on the deficit. Ditto his reluctance to consider tax increases. He only wants one thing and that's spending cuts and spending cuts alone aren't going to help the debt despite what Grover Norquist believes.

428 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:19:09pm

re: #426 Targetpractice

Heh, they're not even waiting for the debates, they're already starting with the excuse making for why Romney's gonna lose.

They started making excuses when Bill Clinton took the GOP out to the woodshed during the DNC. Once they realized that the Big Dog wasn't going to play along with Mitt's pathetic attempts to drive a wedge between him and Barack Obama, the spin machine went into overdrive.

429 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:19:12pm

re: #426 Targetpractice

Heh, they're not even waiting for the debates, they're already starting with the excuse making for why Romney's gonna lose.

As long as he drags most of his party down with him, I'm all for it.

430 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:19:22pm

Not even Bain Capital could reorganize the Romney campaign to save it from a bankruptcy of ideas.

431 The Questionable Timing of a Flea  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:20:03pm

re: #421 Kragar

He's obviously feminized the position.
/

Anything short of invading Libya and cutting the hearts out of the next generation of male progeny atop a step pyramid with an obsidian knife is feminizing the position. That how Fischer rolls.

432 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:20:16pm

re: #429 darthstar

As long as he drags most of his party down with him, I'm all for it.

Hoping for an Obama victory nationwide and a repudiation of George Allen here in Va. I really have no desire to have that man represent me again in the Senate. Kaine's not perfect but man is he miles ahead of "Macaca".

433 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:20:21pm

re: #430 Mich-again

Not even Bain Capital could reorganize the Romney campaign to save it from a bankruptcy of ideas.

Rahmachandran/Ryan 2012! Outsource the candidate!

434 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:20:35pm

re: #429 darthstar

As long as he drags most of his party down with him, I'm all for it.

Think that's what a lot of this excuse-making is, the realization that Romney's flagging chances may actually hurt the GOP down the ticket. They're trying to jettison him in order to salvage any chance of a Senate majority or larger House majority.

435 dragonath  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:20:41pm

Obama seems to be opening up a large poll lead in Michigan. The poll released tonight is showing him 10% ahead of Romney (47-37)

436 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:21:10pm

re: #433 darthstar

Rahmachandran/Ryan 2012! Outsource the candidate!

I actually work with a guy whose last name is Rahmachandran - which is why I know it...and it sounds just like Romney, only different.

437 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:22:27pm

re: #431 The Ghost of a Flea

Anything short of invading Libya and cutting the hearts out of the next generation of male progeny atop a step pyramid with an obsidian knife is feminizing the position. That how Fischer rolls.

Fischer wants mass public executions, with the Marines slaughtering Libyans in the streets while it's all broadcast on Al-Jazeera and CNN.

You know, because that's a totally rational course of action that wouldn't cause more bloodshed around the world.

438 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:22:48pm

re 418: Darthstar

Today the United States spends more on its military than all other countries combined. This does not make America safer. This puts us deeper in debt and poses a far greater threat to America’s long-term health than Russia and China combined.

A strong miltary requires a strong economy to support it. As it goes now, every time a soldier puts diesel in the Humvee or an airman fuels up an F16, they have to use a credit card at the gas station.

439 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:23:21pm

Some great guitar upstairs folks.

440 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:23:22pm

re: #403 Killgore Trout

Not really wise use of military personnel, especially considering he had almost nothing to do with the film. How about calling the press and tell them to stop misreporting and exaggerating his role?

Fisher is referring to two years ago when Petraeus called Jones to warn him of the consequences of Burn a Koran Day.

441 darthstar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:23:32pm

re: #434 Targetpractice

Think that's what a lot of this excuse-making is, the realization that Romney's flagging chances may actually hurt the GOP down the ticket. They're trying to jettison him in order to salvage any chance of a Senate majority or larger House majority.

And yet they pretend to support him? Craven assholes. They should protect themselves by pledging to work with President Obama...or wind up without jobs themselves, wich is fine with me...

442 Lidane  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:24:53pm
443 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:25:07pm

re: #441 darthstar

And yet they pretend to support him? Craven assholes. They should protect themselves by pledging to work with President Obama...or wind up without jobs themselves, wich is fine with me...

They'd all sooner swallow a mouthful of broken glass than pledge to support Obama. Their base would abandon them in a heartbeat. No, they want to convince the base that they can let Romney lose, but they can't afford to abandon the party. So even if they do a write-in, as long as they vote a straight Republican ticket the rest of the way, it's all good.

444 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:25:14pm

I just hope should the Dems get back the House or keep the Senate. I hope the American people are patient and don't fall for Tea Party bullshit next time. Things take time. Anyhow, if Obama's re-elected. I think he may be a rare president whose second term is more successful than his first.

445 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:25:46pm

re: #442 Lidane

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When FNC bails on your ass, even the rats go "Fuck, those guys are quick!"

446 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:26:28pm

re: #325 Coracle

Hm. What attracts you to him more? The tax cuts for the 1%? The war with Iran? The full repeal of the ACA (except for those bits he (sometimes) likes)? The banning of abortion?

The constant and compulsive lying.

447 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:28:20pm

re: #442 Lidane

Obviously, they're sexist.//

448 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:32:33pm

Fischer talks big for a shit eating fucktard whose never served in uniform.

449 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:38:47pm

re: #448 Kragar

Fischer talks big for a shit eating fucktard whose never served in uniform.

I still remember his comments at the CMOH winner who won it for saving lives and asshole Fischer saying it "feminized it." Really, maybe I'd be a different man if I were the guy who won the CMOH but if that were me, I would have called Fischer out for being a dick. No shame at all in winning a CMOH for saving lives. Just as honorable as any other winner past or future.

450 Gus  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:39:29pm
451 Kragar  Wed, Sep 12, 2012 9:43:40pm

re: #449 HappyWarrior

conferred only upon members of the United States Armed Forces who distinguish themselves through "conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity at the risk of his or her life above and beyond the call of duty while engaged in an action against an enemy of the United States

Nothing in there about a body count no matter how the shits like Fischer imagine it.

452 Tigger2  Thu, Sep 13, 2012 2:14:00am

re: #430 Mich-again

Not even Bain Capital could reorganize the Romney campaign to save it from a bankruptcy of ideas.

If Bain took over Romney's campaign they would get rid of him through downsizing.


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