On News From Middle East, Wingnut Blogs Immediately Start Inventing Conspiracy Theories

They’re completely deranged
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When the news from Libya broke, the right wing blogosphere immediately went into frantic conspiracy theorizing mode, circulating false rumors like hyperactive weasels with fully functioning human brains, including a ridiculous story that the Marines guarding the Cairo embassy were forbidden to carry live ammunition by the State Department.

This conspiracy theory is a blatantly obvious attempt to blame President Obama for something, or anything, even if they have to just make it up out of thin air: Wingnuts Falsely Claim Obama Administration Forbade Marines From Carrying Live Ammo.

Marine Liaison Alex Cross sent out this official response to the weasels’ rumors:

From: Cross, Alex Maj OLA, LA-41B
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 4:55 PM
To: Cross, Alex Maj OLA, LA-41B
Subject: Marines in Libya and Egypt

Ladies and Gentlemen-

The following information is provided regarding Marine involvement in the recent actions in Egypt and Libya:

Egypt:
-The Ambassador did not impose restrictions on weapons or weapons status on the Marine Corps Embassy Security Group (MCESG) detachment. The MCESG Marines in Cairo were allowed to have live ammunition in their weapons. The Ambassador and Regional Security Officer have been completely and appropriately engaged with the security situation. Reports of Marines not being able to have their weapons loaded per direction from the Ambassador are not accurate.

Meanwhile, even though this idiotic false story has been officially debunked since yesterday, CNN contributor and breitbart.com editor Dana Loesch has failed to update her hysterical post to reflect the actual facts: STATE DEPT DENIED MARINES FROM CARRYING LIVE AMMO AT CAIRO EMBASSY.

When someone on Twitter pointed out that Loesch’s article was completely false, this was her response:

Also see
Stupidest Man on the Internet Thinks Obama Thanked Libyan President for Killing Our Diplomats

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124 comments
1 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:11:08am

Dim Jim had the biggest derp, as usual.

2 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:11:59am

I don't get why people give shit like this any credence or start passing it around in the first place. Why trust some random rumor from somewhere, especially one that sounds like a thousand other rumors that turned out to be bullshit?

3 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:12:52am

re: #2 Obdicut

I don't get why people give shit like this any credence or start passing it around in the first place. Why trust some random rumor from somewhere, especially one that sounds like a thousand other rumors that turned out to be bullshit?

It doesn't help that Time of all places reported on it.

[Link: nation.time.com...]

4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:13:17am

re: #2 Obdicut

they give it credence as a way to further reinforce their own biases.

5 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:13:30am

re: #2 Obdicut

I don't get why people give shit like this any credence or start passing it around in the first place. Why trust some random rumor from somewhere, especially one that sounds like a thousand other rumors that turned out to be bullshit?

I think some people want to believe it. Kind of like the infamous Michele Obama "whitey" tape.

6 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:13:43am

re: #2 Obdicut

I don't get why people give shit like this any credence or start passing it around in the first place. Why trust some random rumor from somewhere, especially one that sounds like a thousand other rumors that turned out to be bullshit?

Because it could be right, and if they hit the bullseye just once, they get their moment of glory.

7 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:13:46am

re: #4 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

they give it credence as a way to further reinforce their own biases.

Yes, said it better than I could. That.

8 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:14:23am

LOL someone on the news just said the tea party of Libya are the ones rioting.

9 brennant  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:14:32am

The second a friend posted this on FB, I thought B.S., it is just too ridiculous to believe. A quick read of the story provides zero proof other than sourcing USMC "blogs".

10 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:15:04am

Charles: --This conspiracy theory is a blatantly obvious ? to blame President Obama for something,

11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:15:54am

re: #3 Mocking Jay

It doesn't help that Time of all places reported on it.

[Link: nation.time.com...]

Yeah, it was an obvious bullshit story. At least time posted updates to their article.

12 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:16:14am

re: #8 Tigger2

LOL someone on the news just said the tea party of Libya are the ones rioting.

not too off the mark with that observation.

13 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:17:19am
14 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:17:40am

WTF is going on today?

15 Randall Gross  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:18:51am
This conspiracy theory is a blatantly obvious to blame President Obama for something, or anything, even if they have to just make it up out of thin air:

Missing the word "attempt" from an edit I think.

16 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:18:59am

It looks like the Right Wing has been downgraded the Liberals are now the Real Patriots. lol

17 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:19:03am

I mentioned this last night -

My wife and I went out to dinner last night, and we were seated next to two old couples. The one woman was talking about how the media grilled Romney for his lying statement, and said 'It was like waterboarding!' A verbatim quote from a screaming head on Fox yesterday.

Then she exclaimed, loud enough for everyone in the restaurant to hear, 'And the Marines at the embassy weren't even allowed to have bullets in their guns!'

I told my wife, 'There's the prime Fox News demographic, right there. Scared old people.'

18 dragonath  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:19:17am

re: #2 Obdicut

I don't get why people give shit like this any credence or start passing it around in the first place. Why trust some random rumor from somewhere, especially one that sounds like a thousand other rumors that turned out to be bullshit?

Same kind of thinking that brought us these latest protests.

Really, considering the proximity of the election, I expect the GOP to go fully round the bend regarding Muslims.

19 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:20:16am

And meanwhile, this bunch of Wingnut Math Fail just goes on and on.

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:20:18am

re: #17 makeitstop

I told my wife, 'There's the prime Fox News demographic, right there. Scared old WHITE people.'

FTFY

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:21:33am

BBC has video of the storming of the German embassy

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

A lucky looter scored an armful of nice new German passports.

22 erik_t  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:22:14am

re: #19 Sheila Brovlofski

And meanwhile, this bunch of Wingnut Math Fail just goes on and on.

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I'M JUST ASKING QUESTIONS!!!1

23 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:23:08am

re: #17 makeitstop

I mentioned this last night -

My wife and I went out to dinner last night, and we were seated next to two old couples. The one woman was talking about how the media grilled Romney for his lying statement, and said 'It was like waterboarding!' A verbatim quote from a screaming head on Fox yesterday.

Then she exclaimed, loud enough for everyone in the restaurant to hear, 'And the Marines at the embassy weren't even allowed to have bullets in their guns!'

I told my wife, 'There's the prime Fox News demographic, right there. Scared old people.'

I have no doubt my folks (my mom especially) will unload every one of those details on me next week when I see them. Fox News is on 12 to 15 hours a day in their house.

24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:24:28am

[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com...]

And the lies continue to roll out at the Values Voter Summit.

25 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:25:30am

LOL at Rasmussen.....while literally every other poll in the country has Obama opening up a ~5% lead (even Fox News has it at 5%), good ol' hack Rasmussen is moving his polls in the exact opposite direction, with Romney +3%.

26 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:25:42am

re: #24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com...]

And the lies continue to roll out at the Values Voter Summit.

Honesty? Not a value...

27 Randall Gross  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:26:12am

Terrorist with probable explosives confirmed at Fed building in KC:

[Link: www.kshb.com...]

Dog confirmed explosives.

28 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:26:42am

re: #24 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com...]

And the lies continue to roll out at the Values Voter Summit.

Piss on them and their Values they try and force on everyone else.

29 Randall Gross  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:26:56am

location
[Link: maps.google.com...]

30 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:30:08am

Inventing crises, part 2012...

We've been following the ongoing kerfuffle over how Bibi and Obama aren't seeing eye to eye over Iran and that Obama refuses to give a clear red line on what he thinks is actionable against Iran in Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons.

As with much about the Middle East, foreign policy and electioneering, there's sound and fury, but what is actually significant?

Obama's stated position on nuclear weapons and proliferation is that he wants to eventually see all nuclear weapons destroyed. He's got zero-tolerance on the issue, and that's actually a stronger position than with the Bush Administration. He's pushed for greater reductions of nuclear weapons in US and Russian inventories, so why would he allow Iran to get nukes? After all, if Iran gets nukes, that would likely spur a new nuclear arms race in the Middle East as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, and Egypt, among others look to offset the Iranian advantage. That's an even more dangerous situation. And Obama's legacy is pinned in part on holding the line on nuclear proliferation.

So, it's not about red lines. It's more about style. Bibi wants (needs for domestic consumption) to look like he's doing something about Iran - which is at or beyond the limits of Israeli military capabilities, and needs/wants the US to make definitive statements when the US doesn't want to be constrained in such a fashion.

The Atlantic's Jeff Goldberg had a similar take on this.

31 Randall Gross  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:30:23am

Looks like the evaced to a full block radius

32 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:31:04am

I have one Value in life and that is "Live and Let Live" and I don't try and push that on anyone.

33 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:31:09am

re: #27 Randall Gross

Terrorist with probable explosives confirmed at Fed building in KC:

[Link: www.kshb.com...]

Dog confirmed explosives.

Let's hope it's still a false alarm.

34 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:34:14am
35 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:37:07am
36 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:37:12am

I've heard claims that Dana is a no talent dirtbag.

37 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:37:24am

Yeah the Republicans banned it when they were in power they didn't want public opinion to turn on them.

38 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:38:53am

Oh brother.

39 JamesWI  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:39:15am

re: #35 spiderbucket

I hate to say it people, but on this issue I am more on the Right than the Left. These countries are backward and savage and they deserve whatever misery comes their way.

Thanks for your brilliant analysis, 5-comments-in-two-and-a-half years sock puppet. We were all dying to hear your opinion.

40 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:39:21am
42 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:40:31am

re: #40 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

The main difference so far it seems is that the Christian right has not yet succeeded in stirring up strong enough riots to go burn or bomb things like clinics.

:p

It's not from lack of trying.

43 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:41:56am
44 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:42:47am
45 BenghaziHoops  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:43:52am

Thank you Hillary for your tender words of comfort to the families of our 4 fallen American Heroes.

46 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:44:01am

re: #35 spiderbucket

I doubt that you hated to say that. I think you enjoyed it.

From 2010:

708 spiderbucket Fri, May 7, 2010 7:19:17am


I disagree with Charles on this one. Free speech trumps everything. While I think the kids were trying to stir the pot, we need to show the world that in the USA - you have the right to be provocative and to make a statement.

47 Blizard  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:44:59am

Meanwhile, one of Romney's birther advisers (Kobach) is suggesting taking Obama off the voting ballot in Kansas.

[Link: www.freep.com...]


/facepalm

Really, what the heck is going on?

48 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:45:11am

Speaking of Iran and red lines, Romney says he's got the same ones as Obama as regarding Iran.

This essentially reinforces my analysis - it's about style, not substance, and that the US doesn't want to commit to any course of action. The Obama Administration wants and needs to have the flexibility to determine where, when, why, and how to act regarding Iran.

And Romney agrees with the Administration on this.

49 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:47:28am

re: #48 lawhawk

Speaking of Iran and red lines, Romney says he's got the same ones as Obama as regarding Iran.

This essentially reinforces my analysis - it's about style, not substance, and that the US doesn't want to commit to any course of action. The Obama Administration wants and needs to have the flexibility to determine where, when, why, and how to act regarding Iran.

And Romney agrees with the Administration on this.

I hate to say it but Romney prob agrees with a lot of what Obama's doing he just has to pander to the stupid ass Right Wingers.

50 Blizard  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:47:30am

I guess if voter suppression won't work just take the black guy off the ballot!

//

Man my feathers are ruffled over this shit. Are there no sane republicans left? Or are they all forced into hiding because of the mess they've become??? Why aren't more sane moderates/R's speaking up over this??

51 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:47:35am

Bryan Fischer: Today’s GOP Will Be ‘Dead’ If Romney Loses

Promise?

52 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:47:39am

re: #30 lawhawk

Inventing crises, part 2012...

We've been following the ongoing kerfuffle over how Bibi and Obama aren't seeing eye to eye over Iran and that Obama refuses to give a clear red line on what he thinks is actionable against Iran in Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons.

As with much about the Middle East, foreign policy and electioneering, there's sound and fury, but what is actually significant?

Obama's stated position on nuclear weapons and proliferation is that he wants to eventually see all nuclear weapons destroyed. He's got zero-tolerance on the issue, and that's actually a stronger position than with the Bush Administration. He's pushed for greater reductions of nuclear weapons in US and Russian inventories, so why would he allow Iran to get nukes? After all, if Iran gets nukes, that would likely spur a new nuclear arms race in the Middle East as Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Turkey, and Egypt, among others look to offset the Iranian advantage. That's an even more dangerous situation. And Obama's legacy is pinned in part on holding the line on nuclear proliferation.

So, it's not about red lines. It's more about style. Bibi wants (needs for domestic consumption) to look like he's doing something about Iran - which is at or beyond the limits of Israeli military capabilities, and needs/wants the US to make definitive statements when the US doesn't want to be constrained in such a fashion.

The Atlantic's Jeff Goldberg had a similar take on this.

I don't want to see all nuclear weapons destroyed. We haven't grown up enough yet. A global war using conventional, chemical and biological weapons alone could render the planet a wasteland. But there still isn't enough hesitation to use such weapons. Right now only the threat of total thermonuclear annihilation seems to have enough hold on our nightmares to keep us a few centimeters from the brink.

53 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:47:57am

re: #27 Randall Gross

Kansas City?

WTF?! Why KC of all places? No offense to anyone lizards that live there, but for the life of me, what's there to blow up?!

Not exactly a "prime target".

54 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:49:29am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Kansas City?

WTF?! Why KC of all places? No offense to anyone lizards that live there, but for the life of me, what's there to blow up?!

Not exactly a "prime target".

It was probably just a convenient location near the nut who did this. It might just be a crazy guy with a trunk full of road flares.

55 Blizard  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:49:57am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Kansas City?

WTF?! Why KC of all places? No offense to anyone lizards that live there, but for the life of me, what's there to blow up?!

Not exactly a "prime target".

The smell of smoked BBQ makes me go crazy. Sweet delicious ribs. KC style is the best.

56 erik_t  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:50:46am

re: #51 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Today’s GOP Will Be ‘Dead’ If Romney Loses

Um.

“And conservatives, grassroots conservatives, are either going to start a third party or they are going to launch a hostile takeover of the Republican Party.”

I think your tense is wrong, Bryan.

57 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:51:12am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Kansas City?

WTF?! Why KC of all places? No offense to anyone lizards that live there, but for the life of me, what's there to blow up?!

Not exactly a "prime target".

Pork BBQ.

58 Tigger2005  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:51:14am

re: #53 Dr Lizardo

Kansas City?

WTF?! Why KC of all places? No offense to anyone lizards that live there, but for the life of me, what's there to blow up?!

Not exactly a "prime target".

Hey! We got the Nelson-Atkins Museum of Art, a fantastic pro football and baseball complex, Sprint Center, Crown Center, a restored Union Station, and a really bitchin' new performing arts center. If any of those get blown up the country will be poorer for it!

59 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:51:22am

re: #52 Tigger2005

I have a similar take with regard to nuclear weapons.

Reducing the numbers below a certain point in US/Russia inventories may actually increase instability and allow one country, or a third party to consider a nuclear attack because the threat of retaliation is greatly reduced if you incapacitate the other side first.

60 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:52:10am

re: #54 Killgore Trout

It was probably just a convenient location near the nut who did this. It might just be a crazy guy with a trunk full of road flares.

I hope so. The story mentioned a Federal Building, and that leads to think many things; there's a lot of anti-government wackos out there.

61 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:52:26am

KC bomb incident update:

Authorities detained the man and sent a bomb-sniffing dog to check the man’s car in the parking lot of the Fletcher Daniels building at 615 E. 13th Street. The dog gave its handler a positive indication on the car so police are handling the incident as a credible threat.

Police shut down streets in the area of 12th to 13th streets and Cherry to Charlotte streets. Police evacuated the state building and some floors of the federal building, which is across the street from the state office building. The Jackson County jail, which sits directly next to the state office building’s parking lot was on lockdown, according to jailers.

The bomb scare does not seem similar to false bomb scares reported two college today, the University of Texas and North Dakota State University in Fargo. Authorities there did not find any explosives.

62 darthstar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:52:37am

Obama and Clinton speaking now.

63 blueraven  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:53:27am

re: #62 darthstar

Obama and Clinton speaking now.

A very somber and touching tribute

64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:54:07am

And with that President Obama shows once again what an adult looks like.

65 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:54:19am

re: #61 lawhawk

Live feed from KCTV5 chopper overhead scene.

66 darthstar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:55:50am

Powerful picture with four color guards and four hearses.

67 dragonath  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:56:10am

Arctic sea ice shrinks to smallest extent ever recorded

I'm not feeling very good about people today.

68 darthstar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:56:35am

re: #66 darthstar

Powerful picture with four color guards and four hearses.

Four sets of pallbearers.

69 Schadenfreude 'r' Us  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:57:46am

re: #59 lawhawk

I have a similar take with regard to nuclear weapons.

Reducing the numbers below a certain point in US/Russia inventories may actually increase instability and allow one country, or a third party to consider a nuclear attack because the threat of retaliation is greatly reduced if you incapacitate the other side first.

I agree... but Obama said "eventually," he didn't say when. (Surely he doesn't think it will be within the next five years, I bet you couldn't safely destroy them all in that time. Except by setting them off, of course.)

70 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:57:52am

re: #64 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance

And with that President Obama shows once again what an adult looks like.

Dear wingnuts --

Please take note. That's what a President looks like, and how one acts when our people get killed overseas.

No love,
Me

71 darthstar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:58:28am

Watching the way they load the coffins...heartbreaking.

72 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:58:49am
73 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:58:59am

re: #49 Tigger2

I hate to say it but Romney prob agrees with a lot of what Obama's doing he just has to pander to the stupid ass Right Wingers.

There is not a whole lot of difference between the Romney of ten years ago and Obama. They could easily have belonged to the same party, or worked together in a bipartisan manner.

74 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:59:23am
75 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:59:23am

re: #51 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Today’s GOP Will Be ‘Dead’ If Romney Loses

Promise?

Honestly, it would be a good thing. Today's GOP needs an enema. Badly. Too many bigots, idiots, economic illiterates and religious fanatics for my tastes.

76 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:59:39am

re: #51 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Today’s GOP Will Be ‘Dead’ If Romney Loses

Promise?

What he's basically describing is the Wingularity, when the nutjobs again go so far as to marginalize themselves in reaction to a major defeat. See Goldwater, Barry.

77 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:01:41pm
circulating false rumors like hyperactive weasels with fully functioning human brains

That's an insult to hyperactive weasels. Most of them are smarter than the average wingnut.

78 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:03:52pm

Sorry for an early OT:

79 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:04:10pm

re: #72 Mocking Jay

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Yeah, ouch, that's a pretty devastating report. Obama's taking the tack I was hoping for, basically saying "This sequester is the fault of the Republicans, who now want to use it as an excuse to get more cuts out of us. No dice."

80 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:05:22pm

re: #52 Tigger2005

I don't want to see all nuclear weapons destroyed. We haven't grown up enough yet. A global war using conventional, chemical and biological weapons alone could render the planet a wasteland. But there still isn't enough hesitation to use such weapons. Right now only the threat of total thermonuclear annihilation seems to have enough hold on our nightmares to keep us a few centimeters from the brink.

I was going to say that as long as anyone has nuclear weapons, others will want them, but then it occurred to me that those others would be trying to get nuclear weapons anyway. I once thought of a scifi story, though I may have just read it since about every idea imaginable has been written, about a world in which every scrap of knowledge about nuclear physics has been eliminated so that no-one can even conceive of the bomb, much less try to build one, except for one official who knows enough so that he can stamp out any inquiries into the subject.

81 Dr Lizardo  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:05:51pm

re: #76 PT Barnum

What he's basically describing is the Wingularity, when the nutjobs again go so far as to marginalize themselves in reaction to a major defeat. See Goldwater, Barry.

LOL! "Wingularity"; when derp particles compress to so great an extant
that a chain reaction is set off, resulting in the implosion and complete
obliteration of the derp.

82 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:06:31pm

Pfft. Like we need out meat inspected.

83 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:07:34pm

Paul Ryan: Obama Doesn’t Truly Believe ‘We’re In This Together’ Because He’s Pro-Choice

Paul Ryan used a strong dose of social conservatism to push back on a central message of President Obama’s: That Americans need to pull together and sacrifice in order to improve the country as a whole.

Ryan told the social conservatives gathered for the Values Voter Summit in Washington Friday that Obama’s argument is disingenuous because Obama believes in abortion rights.

“‘We’re all in this together’ — it has a nice ring,” Ryan said. “For everyone who loves this country, it is not only true but obvious. Yet how hollow it sounds coming from a politician who has never once lifted a hand to defend the most helpless and innocent of all human beings, the child waiting to be born.”

Ryan, who believes that abortion should be outlawed even in cases of rape and incest, cast Obama as an abortion extremist in the speech.

84 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:07:36pm

re: #80 aagcobb

I was going to say that as long as anyone has nuclear weapons, others will want them, but then it occurred to me that those others would be trying to get nuclear weapons anyway. I once thought of a scifi story, though I may have just read it since about every idea imaginable has been written, about a world in which every scrap of knowledge about nuclear physics has been eliminated so that no-one can even conceive of the bomb, much less try to build one, except for one official who knows enough so that he can stamp out any inquiries into the subject.

No worries.
We will soon get rid of all our nukes.
To be replaced by antimatter ones.

86 erik_t  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:08:58pm

re: #83 Kragar

Paul Ryan: Obama Doesn’t Truly Believe ‘We’re In This Together’ Because He’s Pro-Choice

I gotta say, that's some pretty impressive mental gymnastics.

87 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:09:05pm
88 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:09:31pm

re: #79 Targetpractice

Yeah, ouch, that's a pretty devastating report. Obama's taking the tack I was hoping for, basically saying "This sequester is the fault of the Republicans, who now want to use it as an excuse to get more cuts out of us. No dice."

I think he said that at the time congress failed to accept any revenue increases.

89 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:09:39pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

No worries.
We will soon get rid of all our nukes.
To be replaced by antimatter ones.

Virus bombs and cyclonic torpedoes for everyone.

90 erik_t  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:11:26pm

re: #84 Varek Raith

No worries.
We will soon get rid of all our nukes.
To be replaced by antimatter ones.

The great thrust of postwar munitions development has been increased passive safety measures, though. Antimatter anything is a biiiiiit of a retrograde step...

91 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:11:28pm

re: #88 PT Barnum

I think he said that at the time congress failed to accept any revenue increases.

And right before the election, the best thing to do is to keep saying it. The GOP wants to dump this on his lap, accuse him of being the one pushing it. But both and the Senate have already agreed to cuts, so long as even narrow tax increases to the 1% are included. The GOP refuses to entertain any tax increases, and so is the one who's pushing us towards this "fiscal cliff."

92 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:11:35pm

re: #85 Kragar

Romney Campaign Approvingly Cites Statement Saying That Its Tax Plan Doesn’t Add Up

OK, now I've seen everything.

93 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:12:26pm

re: #85 Kragar

Romney Campaign Approvingly Cites Statement Saying That Its Tax Plan Doesn’t Add Up

HAHAHA. That's hilarious. Did they even read it before they approved it?

94 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:12:46pm

re: #92 aagcobb

OK, now I've seen everything.

You have yet to see Mitt Romney take a position on something and hold on to it.

95 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:12:57pm

re: #91 Targetpractice

And right before the election, the best thing to do is to keep saying it. The GOP wants to dump this on his lap, accuse him of being the one pushing it. But both and the Senate have already agreed to cuts, so long as even narrow tax increases to the 1% are included. The GOP refuses to entertain any tax increases, and so is the one who's pushing us towards this "fiscal cliff."

And that is why after the election is the time to make a deal, because the Bush tax cuts are expiring unless the President agrees to extend them.

96 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:13:04pm

This has to stick in Mitt's craw, especially since he spent weeks trying to drive a wedge between the Big Dog and Barack Obama:

97 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:13:29pm

re: #94 Mocking Jay

You have yet to see Mitt Romney take a position on something and hold on to it.

We'll see unicorns farting rainbows before that happens.

98 erik_t  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:13:38pm

re: #94 Mocking Jay

You have yet to see Mitt Romney take a position on something and hold on to it.

Romney's position is that he's willing to do anything to win.

You won't see that changing.

99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:13:39pm

re: #90 erik_t

The great thrust of postwar munitions development has been increased passive safety measures, though. Antimatter anything is a biiiiiit of a retrograde step...

Cats will take overt world domination once they finish their research in the Doesn't Matter Bomb. Mine is currently doing his part lying on the window sill in the sun.

100 makeitstop  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:13:45pm

re: #92 aagcobb

OK, now I've seen everything.

Romney/Ryan: The 'Yeah, we're lying - whatcha gonna do about it?' ticket.

101 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:13:48pm

re: #90 erik_t

The great thrust of postwar munitions development has been increased passive safety measures, though. Antimatter anything is a biiiiiit of a retrograde step...

There's a push right now into the idea of antimatter being used to produce pure fusion weapons, which would produce cleaner explosions and thus reduce the remaining fallout.

102 aagcobb  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:14:55pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

There's a push right now into the idea of antimatter being used to produce pure fusion weapons, which would produce cleaner explosions and thus reduce the remaining fallout.

Isn't that precious, makes it easier to justify using them.

103 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:15:26pm
104 Tigger2  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:15:52pm

re: #93 Lidane

HAHAHA. That's hilarious. Did they even read it before they approved it?

The word inept comes to mind.

105 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:16:58pm

re: #51 Kragar

Bryan Fischer: Today’s GOP Will Be ‘Dead’ If Romney Loses

Promise?

He's right, but not for the reasons he thinks. He thinks the GOP will be murdered when in actuality it committed suicide.

106 erik_t  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:17:50pm

re: #101 Targetpractice

There's a push right now into the idea of antimatter being used to produce pure fusion weapons, which would produce cleaner explosions and thus reduce the remaining fallout.

That seems a little dubious. Without a very big boom, you can't sustain the temperatures and pressures necessary for fusion (which is a relatively small contributor to the effectiveness of a modern nuclear weapon, anyway). If you can get that big boom with antimatter, why then are you bothering with the fusion?

Also, holy god the most un-handle-able stuff ever.

107 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:17:59pm

re: #99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Cats will take overt world domination once they finish their research in the Doesn't Matter Bomb. Mine is currently doing his part lying on l the window sill in the sun.

All cats are provided with a perrmanent SEP (somebody else's problem) field.

108 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:18:09pm

re: #89 Kragar

Virus bombs and cyclonic torpedoes for everyone.

I'm working on a hand-held stellar converter.

109 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:19:42pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

I'm working on a hand-held stellar converter.

You mean a flash light?

110 Strangeite  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:20:17pm

Can anyone make out the license plate on the car in KC?

111 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:20:42pm

re: #109 Kragar

You mean a flash light?

Never played Master of Orion II?

112 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:20:55pm

re: #107 PT Barnum

All cats are provided with a perrmanent SEP (somebody else's problem) field.

Image: 2362-1287550845.jpg

113 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:21:31pm
114 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:22:53pm

re: #111 Varek Raith

Never played Master of Orion II?

Of course, stellar converters were standard on every ship. I kept using them to try and see enemy ships, but every time I turned them on, the enemy disappeared.

115 allegro  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:23:38pm

re: #113 Lidane

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Blind, deaf, and dumb. Emphasis on dumb.

117 Lidane  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:23:53pm

re: #99 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Cats will take overt world domination once they finish their research in the Doesn't Matter Bomb. Mine is currently doing his part lying on the window sill in the sun.

If cats ever develop opposable thumbs, we're all fucked.

118 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:27:38pm

re: #106 erik_t

Also, holy god the most un-handle-able stuff ever.

Trilithium crystals. Problem solved.

119 darthstar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:33:45pm
120 Kragar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:34:36pm

re: #119 darthstar

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DISTRACTION!!!
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121 darthstar  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:34:58pm

re: #116 Kragar

Mitt Romney Condemns Anti-Muslim Film, Echoing White House Position

No, no, no...the White House echoed HIM!

122 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 12:39:38pm

re: #80 aagcobb

I was going to say that as long as anyone has nuclear weapons, others will want them, but then it occurred to me that those others would be trying to get nuclear weapons anyway. I once thought of a scifi story, though I may have just read it since about every idea imaginable has been written, about a world in which every scrap of knowledge about nuclear physics has been eliminated so that no-one can even conceive of the bomb, much less try to build one, except for one official who knows enough so that he can stamp out any inquiries into the subject.

Such a scenario would eliminate any possibility of ever developing Thorium -based power generation reactors --the kind that was recognised long ago as safer, but which were passed over because they couldn't be used for making bombs.

123 Cap'n Magic  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 1:06:39pm

re: #51 Kragar

More importantly, will he (and others who are pontificating that the GOP will be dead) keep that promise?

A: Oh, hell, no. They'd lose their meal ticket, after all.

124 efuseakay  Fri, Sep 14, 2012 1:34:28pm

In other news:

More than 1.5 billion Muslims not rioting


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