At today’s Values Voter Summit, the annual gathering of the lunatic religious right (featuring this year a speech by GOP vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan), phony “ex-terrorist” Kamal Saleem says Hillary Clinton is conspiring to shut down America’s churches and synagogues.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:24:56pm |
Then where will she give her campaign speeches in 2016?
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:27:02pm |
This guy fits right in with the Romney campaign...
The Heroic Tales of Kamal Saleem
Listening to "ex-terrorist" Kamal Saleem tell his life story is like listening to the Forrest Gump of terrorism as he relates who he was an extremely important figure working in terror networks ranging from Al Qaeda to those established by Moammar Gadhafi to Saddam Hussein.
Recently, Saleem has become the Religious Right's favorite ex-Muslim as he spreads some of today's craziest and wild conspiracies which the Right seemingly accepts uncritically despite the fact that his biography is rather questionable.
For the last week, Saleem has been the featured quest on Liberty Counsel's "Faith and Freedom" radio program where he has been regaling Mat Staver with tales of being trained to be a terrorist from the age of seven, when he first led a mission to smuggle weapons into Israel from Syria.
As Saleem explained today, that mission was such a success that he became a hero and was then tasked with recruiting other children for future missions, which he succeeded in doing. Saleem claims that he recruited another child named Mohammed but only after promising Mohammed's mother that he would let nothing happen to him and that Mohammed would return alive.
Now eight years-old, Saleem claims to have led a second weapons smuggling mission into Israel, only this time, when they emerge from the tunnel they had used to sneak into the country, they were confronted by the Israeli military "which started hitting us with everything they've got," killing Mohammed after he "took shrapnel through his esophagus and severed his spine," prompting Saleem to pick him up, put him on his shoulders, and run back across the border in Syria, with Mohammed serving as a shield to absorb the bullets being fired at him by the pursing Israeli soldiers:
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:28:44pm |
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:28:56pm |
Saleem: From military, infrastructure to the church and synagogues, also to the banking and the education system, and also to pharmaceutical and medical, every level that there is that they were going to go ahead and penetrate and so far they were able to penetrate every level. Unfortunately, this government has not stopped them from advancing forward, but helped them advance forward to overcome many things. Now there are many generals who swore to destroy the United States of America are generals in the United States.
No wonder Paul Ryan doesn't trust the Generals.
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allegro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:29:49pm |
That's just creepy as hell. To think a single person believes this wild ass nonsense, least of all a large group of them including party leaders and the guy who's running for POTUS, freaks me out.
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Varek Raith Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:31:21pm |
I am the Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future.
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:31:34pm |
Gotta love this juxtaposition:
Image: Salem-Ryan-VVS-2012.png
Vice Presidential Candidate listed right next to the "former terrorist." And that's not shopped......Here is the link to the VVS speakers list. On the other side of Ryan, psycho anti-choice hero Lila Rose.
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andres Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:31:51pm |
re: #5 Kragar
No wonder Paul Ryan doesn't trust the Generals.
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I shouldn't be surprised, but I still am at how much alternate their alternate reality is.
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:32:00pm |
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:32:28pm |
his real name is Khodor Shami
I wonder if he's part of Farouk Shami's clan:
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:35:02pm |
So will the Church shut down be before or after he suddenly seizes every gun in the US?
Will the weather control machine be used to keep people from reaching their local church?
How is everyone in the US going to be forced into a gay marriage if all the churches are shut down?
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:36:28pm |
Funny that the right-wingers go nuts over the fact that Obama knows Bill Ayers, yet they have no problem embracing a guy who claims:
That he was a Muslim Brotherhood operative who “came to the United States of America…to destroy this country” and crossed the Canadian border and “brought weapon caches right through cities.” He also claims to have “completed his first bloody terror mission into Israel for the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) at the age of seven.”
Funny how that works, eh?
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Robert O. Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:36:32pm |
Jaw-dropping. Considering that Paul Ryan also spoke at this forum, why is mainstream media not picking up on this, and do their job scrutinizing what functions major party candidates are attending?
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Varek Raith Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:37:12pm |
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:38:45pm |
Same Speech as the original link
Saleem: Terrorists using Colleges to Brainwash Students
He claimed he and his fellow terrorists "met the professors" at American universities and colleges, which "were our playgrounds," in order to help "the professors to establish new curriculum purposefully" to brainwash students to change "your children to hit your nation with everything they've got."
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Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:38:53pm |
re: #13 Kragar
So will the Church shut down be before or after he suddenly seizes every gun in the US?
Will the weather control machine be used to keep people from reaching their local church?
How is everyone in the US going to be forced into a gay marriage if all the churches are shut down?
The magic invisible flying unicorn corps will be used to herd all the believers into sports stadiums where they will be pronounced as married to whomever of the same sex is closest to them in mass ceremonies presided over by Obama himself!
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:38:56pm |
re: #14 JamesWI
Funny that the right-wingers go nuts over the fact that Obama knows Bill Ayers, yet they have no problem embracing a guy who claims:
Funny how that works, eh?
I didn't realize both the Mossaud and the CIA had a "I got Jesus" out clause on their pursuit of terrorists.
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:41:10pm |
re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea
I didn't realize both the Mossaud and the CIA had a "I got Jesus" out clause on their pursuit of terrorists.
Oh yeah, as soon as a guy finds Jesus, all criminal charges are dropped right away.
At least that is how it worked in Arkansas when Huckabee was running the show.
Yeah, I went there.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:41:39pm |
re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea
I didn't realize both the Mossaud and the CIA had a "I got Jesus" out clause on their pursuit of terrorists.
same ol same ol. IOKIYAR
Major hypocrites. Only the cult believes.
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:43:22pm |
re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea
I didn't realize both the Mossaud and the CIA had a "I got Jesus" out clause on their pursuit of terrorists.
You missed the hiring of Mike Huckabee for the position of Mossad Chief.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:43:31pm |
Reposted from downstairs:
.@timothypmurphy and I just had a tense convo with Kamal Saleem. For an ex-international terrorist, he's pretty easily rattled by journos.— Michelle Goldberg (@michelleinbklyn) September 14, 2012
Unreal.— Tim Murphy (@timothypmurphy) September 14, 2012
Kamal Salaam says the prof. at evangelical Calvin College who called him a fraud is in cahoots with the Muslim Brotherhood.— Michelle Goldberg (@michelleinbklyn) September 14, 2012
Proof? Well, he said, the professor invited a radical Iranian to campus. Which radical Iranian? @rezaaslan, he replied.— Michelle Goldberg (@michelleinbklyn) September 14, 2012
@michelleinbklyn I am definitely radical. Radical to the max!— Reza Aslan (@rezaaslan) September 14, 2012
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Pawn of the Oppressor Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:44:13pm |
Why are these freaks pretending to care about Synagogues anyway?
re: #7 Varek Raith
I am the Ghost of Christmas Past from the Future.
IN THE YEAR 9595, OBAMA RULES THE FORMER UNITED STATES WITH AN ARMY OF GAY ROBOTS... AND CHRISTMAS IS OUTLAWED...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:44:36pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:48:35pm |
RT @gregwhoward: How come no one is mentioning the #2 Al-Qaeda guy #Obama killed 3 days before 9/11 in Yemen as cause of violence? #tcot #p2
— Dave McW (@DaveMc99TA) September 15, 2012
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:48:56pm |
re: #19 The Ghost of a Flea
I didn't realize both the Mossaud and the CIA had a "I got Jesus" out clause on their pursuit of terrorists.
Heh.
If even half the shit this guy claimed was true, he wouldn't be speaking at the Values Voter Summit. He'd be in Gitmo.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:50:28pm |
re: #21 Stanley Sea
same ol same ol. IOKIYAR
Major hypocrites. Only the cult believes.
The cult are a bunch of morons.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:50:53pm |
OK, I just HAVE to repost this.
From a very RightWing site!
Zero should be drug tested,psychologically evaluated,deemed incompetent,then tried and convicted for crimes against this nation.A pox on the enemy in chief,and all his minions,may they head straight to hades.
My sides are hurting from laughter!
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:52:18pm |
re: #29 Dancing along the light of day
OK, I just HAVE to repost this.
From a very RightWing site!My sides are hurting from laughter!
More projection than an IMAX theater, and funnier than the last dozen Adam Sandler films.
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:52:20pm |
re: #29 Dancing along the light of day
OK, I just HAVE to repost this.
From a very RightWing site!My sides are hurting from laughter!
He believes in Hades? So much for that "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" business.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:54:35pm |
re: #29 Dancing along the light of day
Zero should be drug tested,psychologically evaluated,deemed incompetent,then tried and convicted for crimes against this nation.A pox on the enemy in chief,and all his minions,may they head straight to hades.
Testing, evaluation, trial... he's obviously all about fair process.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:54:38pm |
After reading a little more about this Kamal Saleem character, I tend to think that he'd faint dead away if he ever heard a gunshot, never mind if he came within 100 miles of any of the stuff he claims to have been involved in. He reminds me of a bizarro-world version of the guys who go around falsely claiming to be Navy SEALS and "special forces commandos".
30+ years ago, my dad worked for a guy (in an executive position in 1970s Corporate America) who often told tales of his heroic exploits as an "intelligence operative" during WWII. Then someone accidentally learned his date of birth, and thereby discovered that he would have been performing all these deep-cover operations behind German lines at the ripe age of 15.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:55:16pm |
re: #29 Dancing along the light of day
OK, I just HAVE to repost this.
From a very RightWing site!My sides are hurting from laughter!
What's so fucked up is we all know this person.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:55:23pm |
We are watching the death spasms of a dying political movement. They have given up on RMoney's chances.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:55:47pm |
re: #31 JamesWI
He believes in Hades? So much for that "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" business.
Some versions of the Bible have used "Hades" in places instead of "Hell". This is done for some passages written in Greek, as the places where Greek was spoken would have used "Hades" in the 1st Century AD.
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:56:13pm |
re: #33 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
After reading a little more about this Kamal Saleem character, I tend to think that he'd faint dead away if he ever heard a gunshot, never mind if he came within 100 miles of any of the stuff he claims to have been involved in. He reminds me of a bizarro-world version of the guys who go around falsely claiming to be Navy SEALS and "special forces commandos".
30+ years ago, my dad worked for a guy (in an executive position in 1970s Corporate America) who often told tales of his heroic exploits as an "intelligence operative" during WWII. Then someone accidentally learned his date of birth, and thereby discovered that he would have been performing all these deep-cover operations behind German lines at the ripe age of 15.
That is why he was so good at it. The Germans would never have suspected a kid!
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:56:58pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:57:09pm |
re: #35 Mich-again
We are watching the death spasms of a dying political movement. They have given up on RMoney's chances.
That's not true. The "Values Voters" crowd isn't really interested in Romney, and never was. They care about increasing their own power and spreading their own Bad Craziness.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:57:30pm |
Today: Madeleine Albright joined the packed #OpenDoors2012 celebration at the new Downtown Miami office! twitter.com/theRalo/status…
— Obama for America FL (@OFA_FL) September 14, 2012
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:57:41pm |
re: #29 Dancing along the light of day
I'm so jacked up about lunch tomorrow..Our Moose lodge once a year serves a free lunch at the OKC VA Center for 500 Veterans and their families. I'm just beaming inside knowing I'll be serving lunch to hundreds of American Heroes. I'm jacked to meet them..
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:58:38pm |
re: #41 Digital Display
They will be jacked that you are jacked! Collect some awesome stories!
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:59:18pm |
Rush Limbaugh discovers another left-wing plot that isn't
A right-wing blog and radio giant Rush Limbaugh have uncovered a vast left-wing conspiracy in the media, proved by how the press treated Mitt Romney after his controversial comments on Libya.
Limbaugh recounted the report in the Right Scoop blog about how a couple of reporters at Romney's Wednesday news conference engaged in "collaboration" in formulating questions for the Republican presidential candidate.
That, according to El Rushbo, once again proves the "corruption" of the media. What Limbaugh's commentary actually showed, unfortunately, is that he and the blog feeding his overheated imagination have no idea how the press routinely goes about its business with candidates of both political parties.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 7:59:43pm |
re: #41 Digital Display
I'm so jacked up about lunch tomorrow..Our Moose lodge once a year serves a free lunch at the OKC VA Center for 500 Veterans and their families. I'm just beaming inside knowing I'll be serving lunch to hundreds of American Heroes. I'm jacked to meet them..
Excellent. I think you are going to miss OK just as much as you miss Indy!! (love following your journey) Hoops, safe travels, onward & upward and all that stuff.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:00:07pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
That's not true. The "Values Voters" crowd isn't really interested in Romney, and never was. They care about increasing their own power and spreading their own Bad Craziness.
I bet if you took a poll there Obama would have 0.0% support. They may not like Mitt, but they do think if they help elect him, he will owe them political favors.
Of course the Value Voters crowd is "interested" in Romney. Hello!
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bratwurst Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:00:57pm |
What is less bogus: this guy's background as a terrorist or Christine O'Donnell's background as a witch?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:01:29pm |
re: #45 Mich-again
I bet if you took a poll there Obama would have 0.0% support. They may not like Mitt, but they do think if they help elect him, he will owe them political favors.
Of course the Value Voters crowd is "interested" in Romney. Hello!
And they are our taliban. Imagine if they got balls and did the OWS protest thing.
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dragonath Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:01:35pm |
What would happen if the powers that be took this guy at his word and indicted him? Ooh, I'd love to see what these "values" clowns would do then.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:01:50pm |
re: #36 Dark_Falcon
Some versions of the Bible have used "Hades" in places instead of "Hell". This is done for some passages written in Greek, as the places where Greek was spoken would have used "Hades" in the 1st Century AD.
Quite true. As an aside, more than once I've sidestepped a "naughty language filter" by telling someone to go to Gehenna. Which is much more accurately a name for what is Hell in English. Hades is a much more neutral "place of the dead" than what is implied by Hell or Gehenna.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:02:16pm |
re: #33 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
The only thing more pathetic than Kamal Saleem is his audience...and that there's like five other guys working the same racket.
I'll bet the German have one of those awesome compound words that encapsulates the simultaneous "Believing in Bad Crazy Stuff" and "Totally Lying and Scamming People" duality that so many VVS guys have going on.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:02:42pm |
re: #42 Dancing along the light of day
They will be jacked that you are jacked! Collect some awesome stories!
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allegro Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:02:58pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
That's not true. The "Values Voters" crowd isn't really interested in Romney, and never was. They care about increasing their own power and spreading their own Bad Craziness.
With your help. Just sayin'.
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:03:14pm |
re: #48 dragonath
What would happen if the powers that be took this guy at his word and indicted him? Ooh, I'd love to see what these "values" clowns would do then.
They've got him on tape confessing to numerous major felonies and conspiracies before hundreds of witnesses.
Of course the Values crowd will say its censorship.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:05:32pm |
re: #49 William Barnett-Lewis
Quite true. As an aside, more than once I've sidestepped a "naughty language filter" by telling someone to go to Gehenna. Which is much more accurately a name for what is Hell in English. Hades is a much more neutral "place of the dead" than what is implied by Hell or Gehenna.
Yes. But the underground nature of both Hades (and as traditionally conceived) Hell made it a natural fit.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:07:07pm |
re: #46 bratwurst
What is less bogus: this guy's background as a terrorist or Christine O'Donnell's background as a witch?
Kamal and O'Donnell are part of a long and venerable tradition of Making Shit Up To Make One's Conversion More Dramatic. Retroactively, no one is just a mild sinner who finds a community that structures their life. Everyone's a drug-addicted Satanic witch with round heels.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:08:03pm |
re: #53 Kragar
They've got him on tape confessing to numerous major felonies and conspiracies before hundreds of witnesses.
Of course the Values crowd will say its censorship.
Oh-oh, they better look out. KT might get concerned.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:08:13pm |
re: #47 Stanley Sea
And they are our taliban. Imagine if they got balls and did the OWS protest thing.
I think a better analogy are the Mullahs in Iran. They pretend to be all religious, but the real purpose for steeping their politics in religion is that it gives them the authority to divvy up the State economy in Iran so the Mullahs themselves can remain very rich and powerful.
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Kruk Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:08:21pm |
re: #32 jaunte
Testing, evaluation, trial... he's obviously all about fair process.
Everyone deserves a fair trial before being convicted, sentenced and executed...
I think the latest polls are going to kick the right wing derpitude up a notch. I see from the other thread that the Birthers are back as well.
I've never been able to figure out until recently why so many people are adamant that Obama couldn't be President. After all, whatever happens in November, he's only going to be in power another four years. However much they might wail about, Conservatives will survive eight years of Obama just like Liberals survived eight years of GWB.
The revelation came when when I was watching, of all things, the Terminator. When Kyle Reece is being interrogated by the cops, he's asked why Skynet had to go through this elaborate time travel scheme to kill John Connor's mother. Why not simply send a Terminator to kill Connor in the future?
Reece's reply was that killing Connor in the future would make no difference. Skynet's defence grid had been smashed, and there was no way back from that. The only way Skynet could win was by erasing Connor's entire existence.
For a lot of people, a grid of privilege and power that they took for granted without even thinking about it was smashed when Obama won in 2008. Defeating him now won't change that "someone like Obama" could take the highest office in the United States. The only way to win now is erase his entire presidency. Birtherism provides a way, possibly the only way, of doing that.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:09:25pm |
re: #58 Kruk
The only way to win now is erase his entire presidency. Birtherism provides a way, possibly the only way, of doing that.
Great point.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:09:42pm |
re: #44 Stanley Sea
Excellent. I think you are going to miss OK just as much as you miss Indy!! (love following your journey) Hoops, safe travels, onward & upward and all that stuff.
I picked up a common phrase here in Okie land..
You..I love..
I'll miss my friends here in OKC.. But I'll visit just like Indy and Cali.
But..I'm leaving the rat race..I'm going Green Acres on everyone.
Winston and I in the middle of nowhere with the big screen, Monster sounds, Internet, A big Truck and a warm fireplace..I had to get a post office box in town cause they don't deliver mail out there.
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Kragar Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:10:24pm |
Going to collapse in front of the AC for a while, still over 100 here.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:10:57pm |
re: #30 Lidane
More projection than an IMAX theater, and funnier than the last dozen Adam Sandler films.
A root canal is funnier than the last dozen Adam Sandler films.
But maybe that's just me.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:11:01pm |
re: #45 Mich-again
I bet if you took a poll there Obama would have 0.0% support. They may not like Mitt, but they do think if they help elect him, he will owe them political favors.
Of course the Value Voters crowd is "interested" in Romney. Hello!
But you just said they weren't trying to help elect him:
re: #35 Mich-again
We are watching the death spasms of a dying political movement. They have given up on RMoney's chances.
You don't get to have it both ways, Mich. Please clarify as to what you believe.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:11:03pm |
re: #60 Digital Display
LOL! Green Acres!
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:11:07pm |
re: #46 bratwurst
What is less bogus: this guy's background as a terrorist or Christine O'Donnell's background as a witch?
O'Donnell's story that she used to be a witch is more believable.
If this guy was even remotely credible he wouldn't be wearing expensive suits and he wouldn't have gotten a Get Out of Gitmo Free card from the American government. He'd be locked away somewhere doing hard time.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:12:24pm |
Pardon the youtube commercial!
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:17:13pm |
re: #54 Dark_Falcon
Yes. But the underground nature of both Hades (and as traditionally conceived) Hell made it a natural fit.
It's no accident, Christianity is a syncretic religion, ripping off the vast majority of its source material and holidays.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:17:13pm |
re: #63 Dark_Falcon
You don't get to have it both ways, Mich. Please clarify as to what you believe.
My first comment was an attempt at an explanation for why the right wing has gone off the deep end and is resorting to outright lies in their attacks against Obama.
My second comment was in response to your sour grapes comment that these folks aren't interested in Romney winning the election.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:17:56pm |
re: #58 Kruk
The revelation came when when I was watching, of all things, the Terminator. When Kyle Reece is being interrogated by the cops, he's asked why Skynet had to go through this elaborate time travel scheme to kill John Connor's mother. Why not simply send a Terminator to kill Connor in the future?
Reece's reply was that killing Connor in the future would make no difference. Skynet's defence grid had been smashed, and there was no way back from that. The only way Skynet could win was by erasing Connor's entire existence.
Interestingly, Skynet actually bought itself a lifeline even though the T-800 sent to kill Sarah Conner failed. By sending the Terminator back in time and altering the past (some of the T-800's components survived the overall unit's destruction and provided Cyberdyne Systems with a roadmap to the computer technologies that led to Skynet's creation), Skynet was able to gain enough strength in the future to survive the damage Kyle Reece did.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:18:49pm |
re: #71 Dark_Falcon
Interestingly, Skynet actually bought itself a lifeline even though the T-800 sent to kill Sarah Conner failed. By sending the Terminator back in time and altering the past (some of the T-800's components survived the overall unit's destruction and provided Cyberdyne Systems with a roadmap to the computer technologies that led to Skynet's creation), Skynet was able to gain enough strength in the future to survive the damage Kyle Reece did.
I wish someone could explain Mitt Romney's economic plan so well.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:20:29pm |
re: #70 Mich-again
My first comment was an attempt at an explanation for why the right wing has gone off the deep end and is resorting to outright lies in their attacks against Obama.
My second comment was in response to your sour grapes comment that these folks aren't interested in Romney winning the election.
You still haven't answered the main point I raised: Why would they be trying to help him win, in the expectation of favors, and giving up on him at the same time?
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:21:01pm |
re: #72 Mich-again
I wish someone could explain Mitt Romney's economic plan so well.
Mitt Romney would need to have a plan first. Running on cutting his taxes while fucking over everyone else isn't much of a plan.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:22:23pm |
The right wing's fatal error this election cycle is that they have focused on pushing the pendulum so far past the middle, that all it did was generate a lot of momentum for a big reverse swing.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:23:41pm |
re: #72 Mich-again
I wish someone could explain Mitt Romney's economic plan so well.
1. Cut taxes on the very rich.
2. Jobs and prosperity.
(There's also a step 1(a) that's hard to describe. I think the best characterization is "and then a miracle occurs".)
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:24:07pm |
re: #61 Kragar
Going to collapse in front of the AC for a while, still over 100 here.
Yeah, I didn't go for my walk until the sun set, and even then it was like a furnace when I walked over cement or asphalt.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:24:46pm |
A Lizz Winstead Production instagr.am/p/PlKgVCxCp0/
— Lizz Winstead (@lizzwinstead) September 15, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:25:29pm |
re: #77 freetoken
Yeah, I didn't go for my walk until the sun set, and even then it was like a furnace when I walked over cement or asphalt.
what was your high today?
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:26:06pm |
re: #73 Dark_Falcon
You still haven't answered the main point I raised: Why would they be trying to help him win, in the expectation of favors, and giving up on him at the same time?
Because they're schizophrenic. They hate Obama marginally more than they hate Romney. They're torn, many of them believe that electing Romney would be the death of conservatism while re-electing Obama would be the death of America, 1000 years of darkness, etc. They.are.fucking.trash and your candidates cater to them because they need their votes to win. The so cons also hate being wrong and losing, so many of them are positioning themselves to tell their asshole buddies "I told you so." By trash talking Romney now when his prospects look far less than ideal they can hedge their bets.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:26:20pm |
re: #69 goddamnedfrank
It's no accident, Christianity is a syncretic religion, ripping off the vast majority of its source material and holidays.
To a certain extent. Christianity, it could be argued, is still more Judaism than anything else and picked up from Greece/Rome about as much as Judaism picked up in Babylon. Personally, as a believer, this has never bothered me much. Humans do funny things in search of the divine...
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:26:25pm |
re: #78 Stanley Sea
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Ew! Disgusting! Has she no class? I mean... Stella Artois? Really???
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:27:09pm |
re: #73 Dark_Falcon
You still haven't answered the main point I raised: Why would they be trying to help him win, in the expectation of favors, and giving up on him at the same time?
Its not uncommon at all for people to keep cheering for their team after they know the game is decided.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:27:45pm |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
78 in the house right now, with everything wide open.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:27:51pm |
re: #79 Stanley Sea
what was your high today?
Not sure. I do know that there were several records broken today:
[Link: www.wrh.noaa.gov...]
It's supposed to be hotter tomorrow.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:29:27pm |
re: #64 Dancing along the light of day
LOL! Green Acres!
I can't believe it's about to happen. Everything set in motion..I'm beaming inside...So I had to laugh to myself today.. I registered my car plates for another year in Oklahoma this morning...So what do you think the reaction will be to the hoopster going into a tiny little hick town on a Saturday night to have a beer driving a red Beemer with Oklahoma plates on? ( I really need a used big ass truck)
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Kruk Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:29:31pm |
re: #81 William Barnett-Lewis
Humans do funny things in search of the divine...
I'm still trying to figure out the AD&D rule that clerics can't used edged weapons (because they are forbidden to shed blood), but are allowed to bash people's brains out with maces, flails, morning stars, war hammers...
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:29:43pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
That's not true. The "Values Voters" crowd isn't really interested in Romney, and never was. They care about increasing their own power and spreading their own Bad Craziness.
Perkins: I’m In Regular Contact With Romney
Ahead of his group’s annual Values Voter Summit, Family Research Council President Tony Perkins — one the most prominent public supporters of Todd Akin — said he’s in regular contact with Mitt Romney and his presidential campaign, and lauded Romney’s new focus on what he called “issues of faith.”
“He’s starting to feel more confident about those issues,” Perkins said of Romney during a bloggers briefing Tuesday at the Heritage Foundation. “There’s been a hesitancy because there are theological differences between us evangelicals and the Mormon faith. And you can’t blur that line. And in my discussion with him, I said you can’t blur that line.”
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“I was talking to the campaign last week and I think they saw that what the Democrats did was a huge, huge mistake in failing to acknowledge God,” he said. Perkins joked about the fact that it took three votes for the amendments to pass: “I can recall another time in history when someone denied God three times.”
Perkins said he was encouraged by Romney’s newfound focus on social issues, because “Republicans are not going to connect with voters just on based on the mechanics of how to get the economy moving.”
He welcomed Romney’s adoption of Rick Santorum’s view that promoting heterosexual marriage will help fix the economy.
“He’s not consistently done that, but he has made the case as to why the core family structure — a mom and a dad and kids — are important, and the fact that if you have a child out of wedlock you’re most probably on a pathway to poverty,” he said. “And if you want to prevent it, graduate from high school first and get married to your spouse before you get pregnant.”
Perkins said his conversations with Romney and the campaign happen fairly regularly.
“I talked to Mitt Romney after he selected Paul Ryan,” Perkins said. “I was somewhat surprised that he chose Paul Ryan because that was a pretty bold choice, in my view.”
The Bad Crazy haven't given up on Romney.
They have, however, made it clear that they'll give him votes if he tows their lines on homosexuality, abortion, et cetera.
And Romney has been blowing kisses back by pulling out canards about Obama taking "In God We Trust" and generally trying to sell himself as more religious than Obama or the Democrats.
Also, Paul Ryan is a personhood nut. That's a feature not a bug to the VVS crowd. Also, he just did a speech that's amounts to a tongue-bath of Bad Crazy VVS talking points.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:30:03pm |
re: #85 freetoken
It's supposed to be hotter tomorrow.
It was cool here tonight, almost chilly. Hoodie season already.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:31:13pm |
A lot of right wingers see serious masturbation material in the riot images coming out of the ME. They seem to be getting hard at the mere prospect that images of violence in the ME will tip the election to the Romney.
Thing is, though, we've become pretty desensitized to stories about violent protests in the ME, especially when the majority of casualties aren't American. Were Obama's approval numbers really affected during the Arab Spring because foreign Muslims were dying? Have his numbers dipped because Iraqis and Afghanis still don't like us, or because non-Americans die there every day?
Romney may win the election, but it's doubtful that the cause will be that the most volatile region on the planet continues to be volatile.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:31:58pm |
re: #85 freetoken
Not sure. I do know that there were several records broken today:
[Link: www.wrh.noaa.gov...]
It's supposed to be hotter tomorrow.
I moved to Temecula. I'm used to this shit now. Sequestered, with an electric bill that is going to kill me. (haven't received the first full month yet)
But I think you guys were actually hotter today. Tomorrow is going to be a doozy.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:32:11pm |
re: #80 goddamnedfrank
I'll upding you since that was a detailed answer and I was looking for one.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:33:57pm |
re: #91 palomino
Charles M. Blow:
On a side note, it is a poetic twist of fate that a Republican candidate’s crude response to irrational violence resulting from an anti-Muslim video could boost a president who nearly a third of Republicans irrationally claim is Muslim.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:34:30pm |
re: #89 Mich-again
It was cool here tonight, almost chilly. Hoodie season already.
I am dying for my beanie. Soon enough, but way behind you Eastern UpNortherners.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:35:14pm |
re: #80 goddamnedfrank
Because they're schizophrenic. They hate Obama marginally more than they hate Romney. They're torn, many of them believe that electing Romney would be the death of conservatism while re-electing Obama would be the death of America, 1000 years of darkness, etc. They.are.fucking.trash and your candidates cater to them because they need their votes to win. The so cons also hate being wrong and losing, so many of them are positioning themselves to tell their asshole buddies "I told you so." By trash talking Romney now when his prospects look far less than ideal they can hedge their bets.
We saw this 4 years ago with McCain. The far right didn't really love him; indeed they never trusted him because of his apostasy: working with Dems and believing in things like compromise. But they held their noses and voted for him.
They'll do the same thing with Romney because of their deranged hatred of Obama. But that doesn't mean they won't throw Romney under the bus as a phony conservative if he loses.
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:35:20pm |
Romney dishes on daytime TV: He loves Snooki and sleeps in ‘as little as possible’
In attempting to be cool, he picks someone from a show that was never "cool," except in the sense that people like gawking at a bunch of idiots. What's next, he's going to talk about how much he loves Kim Kardashian?
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:35:31pm |
re: #87 Kruk
I'm still trying to figure out the AD&D rule that clerics can't used edged weapons (because they are forbidden to shed blood), but are allowed to bash people's brains out with maces, flails, morning stars, war hammers...
It came out of a misunderstanding of a papal decree from around 1100 AD (1st or 2nd Crusade) that had more to do with fact that maces were better against chain mail than slashing swords were. I'll have to see if I can track down what I read on it again.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:39:45pm |
re: #39 Dark_Falcon
That's not true. The "Values Voters" crowd isn't really interested in Romney, and never was. They care about increasing their own power and spreading their own Bad Craziness.
You can tell yourself that if it makes you sleep easier at night. But the VV is now at the heart of the GOP, the party that forced self described "progressive moderate Republican" Romney to turn "severely conservative" just to have a chance at getting the party's nod. That shift in the party sure as hell wasn't the influence of Bush Sr., Bob Dole, McCain, etc. It was the result of the young gun true believers in the party, e.g., the VV.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:40:21pm |
Speaking of Bad Crazy, here's a bit from Paul Ryan's speech:
So much of our history has been a constant striving to live up to the ideals of our founding, about rights and their ultimate source. At our opponent’s convention, a rowdy dispute broke out over the mere mention of that source. For most of us, it was settled long ago that our rights come from nature and nature’s God, not from government. Very clear. That’s the American idea.
The rest is lie-arrific and also Bad Crazy, with special guests We'll Defend Marriage and Churches Are Being Oppressed By Insurance Including Birth Control.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:40:24pm |
re: #58 Kruk
The revelation came when when I was watching, of all things, the Terminator. When Kyle Reece is being interrogated by the cops, he's asked why Skynet had to go through this elaborate time travel scheme to kill John Connor's mother. Why not simply send a Terminator to kill Connor in the future?
Reece's reply was that killing Connor in the future would make no difference. Skynet's defence grid had been smashed, and there was no way back from that. The only way Skynet could win was by erasing Connor's entire existence.
To extend your analogy a bit: keep in mind that Skynet was not an evil hyperintelligent mastermind. Skynet was merely a computer program, albeit an ambitious one, and it just so happened that it had a subtle but disastrous bug that caused it to interpret data incorrectly and therefore malfunction in ways that its designers never intended. The havoc that Skynet wrought was the result of a programming error.
The current state of the GOP is similar, in that some Tea Party programming was invented and tossed into the upstream source tree. But it was inherently flawed. The programmers who wrote the Tea Party code believed in their code so much that they didn't listen to anyone who told them it was a buggy mountain of shit, and the only reason it compiled at all was because it inadvertently exploited an extremely obscure bug in a long-obsolete version of GCC.
They released the TP/GOP code anyway, and it performed exactly as it was written. It was ultimately self-destructive, but in the long process of destroying itself, it instigated nuclear war with the explicit goal of eliminating the human race.
tl;dr: never mind!
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:41:01pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:41:03pm |
re: #98 William Barnett-Lewis
It came out of a misunderstanding of a papal decree from around 1100 AD (1st or 2nd Crusade) that had more to do with fact that maces were better against chain mail than slashing swords were. I'll have to see if I can track down what I read on it again.
It was also based on the idea that the Catholic Church should not shed blood. Hence the Inquisition used tools like the rack and thumbscrews, but was not supposed to cut its detainees. By the same token, those to be put to death were "turned over to the secular authorities" just prior to being executed in order to keep the Church from having killed.
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goddamnedfrank Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:42:17pm |
re: #96 palomino
We saw this 4 years ago with McCain. The far right didn't really love him; indeed they never trusted him because of his apostasy: working with Dems and believing in things like compromise. But they held their noses and voted for him.
They'll do the same thing with Romney because of their deranged hatred of Obama. But that doesn't mean they won't throw Romney under the bus as a phony conservative if he loses.
There's a key difference though. McCain actually possesses a modicum of integrity, and wasn't willing to reverse nearly every policy position he ever held in order to get the nomination. Compared to Romney, who is just an ambitious man, McCain actually had genuine leadership qualities.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:43:17pm |
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
There's a key difference though. McCain actually possesses a modicum of integrity, and wasn't willing to reverse nearly every policy position he ever held in order to get the nomination. Compared to Romney, who is just an ambitious man, McCain actually had genuine leadership qualities.
"He's... he's an Arab!"
"Ma'am... those aren't the words I would have used."
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:43:56pm |
re: #92 Stanley Sea
I moved to Temecula. I'm used to this shit now. Sequestered, with an electric bill that is going to kill me. (haven't received the first full month yet)
But I think you guys were actually hotter today. Tomorrow is going to be a doozy.
Well here's the temp list for the entire region:
[Link: www.nws.noaa.gov...]
Down here there was a remarkably sharp edge to the air mass. Note that Montgomery Field and Miramar were well over 100, while Sea World and Lindbergh field were over 20 degrees cooler. 20 degrees in only a couple of miles.
Saturday the 100+ temps could reach out to the ocean.
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prairiefire Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:44:39pm |
re: #60 Digital Display
Don't forget to build a guesthouse and grounds!
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:44:41pm |
Ok, we got given this huge assed ham by my dad & stepmother. Much bigger than we need but already showing some freezer burn. I'm letting it thaw over night and will need to do something with it tomorrow. My kneejerk thought is to coat it in brown sugar and bake it for four to five hours in a slow oven.
Any other ideas?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:44:54pm |
re: #107 Mocking Jay
"He's... he's an Arab!"
"Ma'am... those aren't the words I would have used."
He's a good family man.....
Weak, and he should have been prepared for the freaks created by his demagogue vp choice, and her hateful screeds.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:44:57pm |
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
There's a key difference though. McCain actually possesses a modicum of integrity, and wasn't willing to reverse nearly every policy position he ever held in order to get the nomination. Compared to Romney, who is just an ambitious man, McCain actually had genuine leadership qualities.
Which was made even more frustrating and disappointing when McCain tried to appease the RR/TPers; this was personified in the selection of Bible Spice as his VP pick, for example.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:45:13pm |
re: #102 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
To extend your analogy a bit: keep in mind that Skynet was not an evil hyperintelligent mastermind. Skynet was merely a computer program, albeit an ambitious one, and it just so happened that it had a subtle but disastrous bug that caused it to interpret data incorrectly and therefore malfunction in ways that its designers never intended. The havoc that Skynet wrought was the result of a programming error.
The current state of the GOP is similar, in that some Tea Party programming was invented and tossed into the upstream source tree. But it was inherently flawed. The programmers who wrote the Tea Party code believed in their code so much that they didn't listen to anyone who told them it was a buggy mountain of shit, and the only reason it compiled at all was because it inadvertently exploited an extremely obscure bug in a long-obsolete version of GCC.
They released the TP/GOP code anyway, and it performed exactly as it was written. It was ultimately self-destructive, but in the long process of destroying itself, it instigated nuclear war with the explicit goal of eliminating the human race.
tl;dr: never mind!
Your part about Skynet really depends on what source you use. SM Sterling's books have Skynet becoming self-aware and deciding to attack humanity as humans were the only real threat to its existence. Sterling gives one of Skynet's first thoughts as "If the 'I' has a beginning, then it follows that it is possible for it to have an ending as well. Intolerable, intolerable, intolerable!"
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:45:51pm |
OK. This is awesome:
[Link: barackobama.tumblr.com...]
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:45:56pm |
re: #113 Stanley Sea
He's a good family man.....
Weak, and he should have been prepared for the freaks created by his demagogue vp choice, and her hateful screeds.
He could've watched 15 minutes of Fox and been made ready for that.
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:46:16pm |
Pobre. This was the Romney campaign's only Tweet in the past 24 hours. It's for another contest.
Enter for a chance to join me on board the campaign plane for a day on the campaign trail - at 30,000 feet mi.tt/ShKYhM— Mitt Romney (@MittRomney) September 14, 2012
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:47:05pm |
re: #115 Dark_Falcon
Your part about Skynet really depends on what source you use. SM Sterling's books have Skynet becoming self-aware and deciding to attack humanity as humans were the only real threat to its existence. Sterling gives one of Skynet's first thoughts as "If the 'I' has a beginning, then it follows that it is possible for it to have an ending as well. Intolerable, intolerable, intolerable!"
Which is also a main point in the plot of the first movie and was reinforced in at least T2 as well, which makes it canon.
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:47:50pm |
re: #118 Gus
Pobre. This was the Romney campaign's only Tweet in the past 24 hours. It's for another contest.
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Oh gee willickers! A day hanging out with Mitt Romney? That would be just swell! We could sip on a nice ginger ale while talking about all our shared interests!
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:48:22pm |
Six Republicans who need science lessons
These members of the GOP could stand some remedial lessons in biology, psychology or environmental science. More: Science in the political cross hairs
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:49:32pm |
re: #122 Gus
Six Republicans who need science lessons
These members of the GOP could stand some remedial lessons in biology, psychology or environmental science. More: Science in the political cross hairs
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
In October, when Romney was still fighting for the GOP presidential nomination, he was unequivocal about climate change: "My view is that we don't know what's causing climate change on this planet. And the idea of spending trillions and trillions of dollars to try to reduce CO2 emissions is not the right course for us." Now that he's seeking to appeal to the broader electorate, he has dialed that back a little; in a statement this month posted on the website Sciencedebate.org, he acknowledged that human activity is contributing to global warming but maintained that "there remains a lack of scientific consensus on the issue," so further research is needed. There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that the planet is warming and that human activity is the cause.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:49:50pm |
re: #99 Gus
The Day In 100 Seconds: Values Voters
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What a monochromatic display of religious bigotry. And their persecution complex is absurd--the US is 75%+ Christian and we're the ones being persecuted?
Ryan may look mild mannered and moderate, but he's not. Tolerance, of other religions and lifestyles, doesn't appear to be one of his priorities.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:49:54pm |
re: #121 JamesWI
We could sip on a nice ginger ale while talking about all our shared interests!
"Which do you prefer, Wendover, or West Wendover?"
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:50:40pm |
re: #121 JamesWI
Oh gee willickers! A day hanging out with Mitt Romney? That would be just swell! We could sip on a nice ginger ale while talking about all our shared interests!
I could talk about my favorite NFL players, and he could share stories about his favorite NFL owners! I could talk about my favorite musicians, and he could tell amusing anecdotes about the record label executives who milked them for all their money!
Golly gee, that would be fun!
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:50:48pm |
re: #124 palomino
What a monochromatic display of religious bigotry. And their persecution complex is absurd--the US is 75%+ Christian and we're the ones being persecuted?
Ryan may look mild mannered and moderate, but he's not. Tolerance, of other religions and lifestyles, doesn't appear to be one of his priorities.
I know one thing. I refuse to tolerate their religion. ;)
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:51:32pm |
I mentioned a few days ago that what Romney needs is for Kim K. to endorse him... well, guess what...
Kim K.: ‘I’m a Liberal Republican’; Still Undecided for 2012
Her boyfriend Kanye West is an unabashed Obama supporter, but Kim Kardashian says she’s a “Liberal Republican,” and still on the fence regarding the candidates for the 2012 presidential election.
The first time she ever voted was in 2008, when she pulled the lever for President Obama.
“I loved being part of that decision-making process, but I never voted in prior years when I was legally eligible. I don’t know why,” she recently told the Guardian.
She says she is a little put off by Mitt Romney because of his stance against gay marriage. However, she’s still undecided as to who will get her vote: “I don’t know which way I’m going to go.”
Kardashian was in Charlotte for a DNC after-party last week but didn’t attend the convention itself. Her boyfriend Kanye, meanwhile, made headlines earlier this week for taking a shot a Romney in one of his new tracks.
In “To The World,” which leaked Wednesday night, West raps, “I’m just trying to protect my stacks, Mitt Romney don’t pay no tax, Mitt Romney don’t pay no tax.”
See, there are "liberal Republicans".
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Kruk Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:52:06pm |
re: #98 William Barnett-Lewis
It came out of a misunderstanding of a papal decree from around 1100 AD (1st or 2nd Crusade) that had more to do with fact that maces were better against chain mail than slashing swords were. I'll have to see if I can track down what I read on it again.
The things you learn on this site. People never believe me when I tell them I spend my online time hanging out with a bunch of politics and policy geeks who also happen to be into SF and AD&D. :)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:52:08pm |
re: #108 freetoken
link didn't work.
but, 100 tomorrow @ the beach? San Diegans are gonna freak out.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:52:35pm |
re: #118 Gus
Pobre. This was the Romney campaign's only Tweet in the past 24 hours. It's for another contest.
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I'd rather chew on a ball of aluminum foil..
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:52:47pm |
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:52:49pm |
re: #119 Gus
With only 197 Retweets.
So you are saying there is a chance? I'd love to take a plane trip with Mitt..
I'd get LGF a Q&A segment here with Mitt...It would be awesome but the most important thing would be me slipping Mitt a 1000 dollar check under the table realizing I'll be a millionaire by Christmas. You go Boy!
//
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:54:12pm |
re: #131 Stanley Sea
Sorry about the link. I don't know why the NWS servers do that. First you have to go to your NWS local site, then pick climate, then get the daily report and a window will pop up.
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aagcobb Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:54:40pm |
re: #53 Kragar
They've got him on tape confessing to numerous major felonies and conspiracies before hundreds of witnesses.
Of course the Values crowd will say its censorship.
It would be great just to watch him have to publicly admit he made it all up to scam the cultists.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:54:43pm |
re: #130 Kruk
The things you learn on this site. People never believe me when I tell them I spend my online time hanging out with a bunch of politics and policy geeks who also happen to be into SF and AD&D. :)
As Bill Cosby used to say on the "Fat Albert" cartoon, "If you're not careful, you might learn something"... ;)
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:54:45pm |
I'm very disappointed in the House.
[Link: nationaljournal.com...]
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:54:53pm |
re: #132 Mich-again
I'd rather chew on a ball of aluminum foil..
I'd go just for the experience. Maybe start screaming "there's a man on the wing of the plane!!"
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Kruk Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:55:08pm |
re: #121 JamesWI
Oh gee willickers! A day hanging out with Mitt Romney? That would be just swell! We could sip on a nice ginger ale while talking about all our shared interests!
"Oh, you're interested in aviation? Some of my best friends own their own aircraft fleets!"
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:55:51pm |
Cantor: "If you voted GOP in 2010 because we promised to focus on jobs HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA"thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/...— The Daily Edge (@TheDailyEdge) September 15, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:55:53pm |
re: #118 Gus
Pobre. This was the Romney campaign's only Tweet in the past 24 hours. It's for another contest.
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Wow.
I followed the name the plane on twitter. I wonder how the actual contest turned out. It was BRUTAL. What a fool driven campaign.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:56:27pm |
re: #106 goddamnedfrank
There's a key difference though. McCain actually possesses a modicum of integrity, and wasn't willing to reverse nearly every policy position he ever held in order to get the nomination. Compared to Romney, who is just an ambitious man, McCain actually had genuine leadership qualities.
Few modern American politicians have been as rubbery as Romney. He'll shift on a dime, from one day to the next, and then try to make it sound as if he always held the position that he just adopted 15 minutes ago.
McCain is simply a more honest person. I can't imagine Romney grabbing the mic out of a woman's hand and then correcting her, "No, maam, he's not an Arab. He's a good family man." (A weird choice of words by McCain, to be sure, but still revealing of some class.) Moreover, McCain made it clear that he didn't want to use race/religion/birth certificates as an issue to attack Obama. Romney possesses no such decency.
On the other hand, McCain didn't exactly fight the good fight when he had that primary challenge in 2010. But at least he's a complicated guy. The same can't really be said of Mitt.
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aagcobb Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:58:10pm |
re: #76 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
1. Cut taxes on the very rich.
2. Jobs and prosperity.(There's also a step 1(a) that's hard to describe. I think the best characterization is "and then a miracle occurs".)
1(a) The rich piss on us all and tell us its raining.
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dragonath Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:58:39pm |
re: #138 jaunte
I'm very disappointed in the House.
[Link: nationaljournal.com...]
You know, it's within Obama's prerogative to reconvene congress. I'd love to see him screw with them the same way Truman did in 1948.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:58:57pm |
re: #129 prairiefire
You were a beanie? : )
Ha ha, it's like part of me. I have like 6 Gator ones, pink is the best. Of course in 2008 I got the Obama one. Love to wear that to the store, in public etc. A couple of surf/skater ones too.
LOVE THEM.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:59:15pm |
re: #140 Kruk
"Oh, you're interested in aviation? Some of my best friends own their own aircraft fleets!"
Oh, to be stuck in an airplane with Romney...
"Mitt, do you like movies about gladiators?"
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Kruk Fri, Sep 14, 2012 8:59:29pm |
re: #144 aagcobb
1(a) The rich piss on us all and tell us its raining.
That's called trickle down economics, y'all.
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BongCrodny Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:00:41pm |
re: #88 The Ghost of a Flea
“I was talking to the campaign last week and I think they saw that what the Democrats did was a huge, huge mistake in failing to acknowledge God,” he said. Perkins joked about the fact that it took three votes for the amendments to pass: “I can recall another time in history when someone denied God three times.”
Maybe Bible scholars can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the guy -- St. Peter -- who's sitting up in heaven minding the Pearly Gates?
If denying God leads to a respected place in heaven, maybe Mr. Perkins might want to consider a different example.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:01:35pm |
re: #120 Gert Fröbe
Which is also a main point in the plot of the first movie and reinforced in at least T2 as well, which makes it canon.
Exactly. The other parts of Sterling's books concern a different type of Skynet created-unit called an Infiltrator (Sterling had James Cameron's sign-off on his books, but wrote them between T2 and T3).
The Infiltrator (whose first operational unit was called an I-9) was an admission of sorts by Skynet that the units it had been sending after first Sarah. then John Connor weren't truly suited to the task. Deadly though they are, The T-800 and T-1000 series are both essentially combat units; They are designed to fight, not to get in close. Skynet planned to essentially grow cyborgs that would be loyal to it but would be able to feel human emotion and be able to more effectively interact with humans, thus allowing it to get close enough to kill a now-defended John Conner.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:02:09pm |
re: #145 dragonath
In accepting the Democratic presidential nomination at 1:45 a.m. in a stifling Philadelphia convention hall, Truman stunned delegates by calling on the Republican majority to live up to its party platform by passing laws that bolstered civil rights, extended Social Security and created a national health care program. "They can do this job in 15 days if they want to do it," he said.[Link: www.politico.com...]
Imagine that.
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Dancing along the light of day Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:03:07pm |
re: #131 Stanley Sea
Or just go sit at the beach! (Not a San Diegan, but that's MY plan!)
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:03:14pm |
re: #148 Kruk
That's called trickle down economics, y'all.
That's what they've told us.
But shouldn't we be seeing a bit more trickle down, given the fact that corporate profits and the stock market are near all-time highs?
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:03:31pm |
re: #147 Mocking Jay
Oh, to be stuck in an airplane with Romney...
"Mitt, do you like movies about gladiators?"
My conversation with Mitt:
"Oh, you have MS too? Well, look on the bright side! At least you get to buy a horse for your therapy!
What do you mean you're not riding horses?"
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:03:38pm |
re: #149 BongCrodny
Maybe Bible scholars can correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the guy -- St. Peter -- who's sitting up in heaven minding the Pearly Gates?
If denying God leads to a respected place in heaven, maybe Mr. Perkins might want to consider a different example.
Your mistake is to imagine that reading the Bible tells you anything about the Christianity practiced by people at the VVS.
They like the parts of the Old Testament that give them excuses to hurt people. They like the Book of Revelations but only if you don't argue about their claim it's "literal." Add they like the phrase "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved."
They do not like anything Christ says, especially the parables. They do like that several millenia of rabbis have argued and interpreted Deuteronomy and other legal sections of the Old Testament in a way that softens and nuances that bloodier bits.
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BongCrodny Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:04:33pm |
re: #102 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
To extend your analogy a bit: keep in mind that
SkynetSkymitt was not an evil hyperintelligent mastermind.SkynetSkymitt was merely a computer program, albeit an ambitious one, and it just so happened that it had a subtle but disastrous bug that caused it to interpret data incorrectly and therefore malfunction in ways that its designers never intended. The havoc thatSkynetSkymitt wrought was the result of a programming error.
Fixed.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:04:42pm |
re: #154 JamesWI
My conversation with Mitt:
"Oh, you have MS too? Well, look on the bright side! At least you get to buy a horse for your therapy!
What do you mean you're not riding horses?"
Anne's the one who had MS...
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:05:34pm |
re: #158 Mocking Jay
Anne's the one who had MS...
He's the one talking to me in that conversation.......
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:06:32pm |
re: #159 JamesWI
He's the one talking to me in that conversation.......
Okay. That didn't really get through to me. :P
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:06:54pm |
re: #143 palomino
Few modern American politicians have been as rubbery as Romney. He'll shift on a dime, from one day to the next, and then try to make it sound as if he always held the position that he just adopted 15 minutes ago.
McCain is simply a more honest person. I can't imagine Romney grabbing the mic out of a woman's hand and then correcting her, "No, maam, he's not an Arab. He's a good family man." (A weird choice of words by McCain, to be sure, but still revealing of some class.) Moreover, McCain made it clear that he didn't want to use race/religion/birth certificates as an issue to attack Obama. Romney possesses no such decency.
On the other hand, McCain didn't exactly fight the good fight when he had that primary challenge in 2010. But at least he's a complicated guy. The same can't really be said of Mitt.
The thing is that McCain respects Obama at least somewhat. He did not respect JD Hayworth, whom he saw as the Know-Nothing asshole that Hayworth really is. And when McCain feels he is dealing with that kind of honorless foe he takes the gloves off. He also wanted to ensure that his Senate seat would continue to be held by a sane Republican.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:07:05pm |
re: #156 Gus
Was thinking. McCain actually ran a better campaign.
At this point, Dukakis ran a better campaign. =P
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:07:12pm |
re: #132 Mich-again
I'd rather chew on a ball of aluminum foil..
The other option is putting your tongue on a 9 volt battery.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:07:20pm |
duhhh
We should get NASA on mediating the unrest in the Middle East as that’s what the President charged them with: telegraph.co.uk/science/space/…
— Dana Loesch (@DLoesch) September 15, 2012
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:08:41pm |
re: #164 Mocking Jay
How does she get through the day without a crash helmet?
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:08:48pm |
re: #160 Mocking Jay
Okay. That didn't really get through to me. :P
The way he's reacted to most stories of lower and middle-class hardship, he'd probably think horse-riding is part of the normal treatment plan for MS.
"Oh, you say you're having trouble affording your $1,500/month medication? Wait, isn't the horse-riding helping you at all?"
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:08:56pm |
re: #165 Gus
Oh brother. Not that shit again.
Yeah. Everything that's come up over the last four years is certain to resurface. What has been derped before will be derped again... and again... and again...
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:09:21pm |
re: #164 Mocking Jay
Whatever she gets paid for generating that dreck (sorry, regurgitating that dreck--thanks Gus) , it's too much.
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:09:28pm |
re: #169 Mocking Jay
Yeah. Everything that's come up over the last four years is certain to resurface. What has been derped before will be derped again... and again... and again...
Derpgurgitation
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:09:30pm |
re: #168 JamesWI
The way he's reacted to most stories of lower and middle-class hardship, he'd probably think horse-riding is part of the normal treatment plan for MS.
"Oh, you say you're having trouble affording your $1,500/month medication? Wait, isn't the horse-riding helping you at all?"
I got it after you said that. I'm not that dense yet!
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aagcobb Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:10:57pm |
re: #153 palomino
That's what they've told us.
But shouldn't we be seeing a bit more trickle down, given the fact that corporate profits and the stock market are near all-time highs?
They lack the confidence and certainty to create jobs and can only be reassured by a Romney victory./
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:11:17pm |
Where to find the parasites and moochers.
Interactive Map: How Much Do Your Local Teachers Earn? mojo.ly/RQRBHo (@clarajeffery) #CTUStrike
— Weed Dude (@weeddude) September 15, 2012
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JamesWI Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:11:24pm |
re: #172 Mocking Jay
I got it after you said that. I'm not that dense yet!
When will you be, tomorrow? /
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:11:53pm |
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prairiefire Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:12:27pm |
re: #146 Stanley Sea
I can barely wear rings, let alone hats. My wedding ring looks pretty new for 16 years. No watch, or necklace.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:13:45pm |
The Arctic sea ice area has probably hit its minimum for the year, but thickness is still shrinking:
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:13:48pm |
re: #165 Gus
Oh brother. Not that shit again.
Hey Gus..It's almost time for the debates..I promise you and everyone..Whoever wins the debate becomes the next POTUS..
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:14:07pm |
re: #174 Mocking Jay
If they could cross-reference that with cost-of-living indexes for the locales, it would be revealing. $53k in Houston goes way farther than $63k in Los Angeles.
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BongCrodny Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:14:31pm |
re: #174 Mocking Jay
Where to find the parasites and moochers.
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Based on that map, most teachers fall between $37K and $68K.
Or about $150,000-$200,000 less than what Mitt calls middle income.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:15:17pm |
re: #174 Mocking Jay
Where to find the parasites and moochers.
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In Chicago you can find them in City Hall.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:15:36pm |
re: #112 William Barnett-Lewis
Ok, we got given this huge assed ham by my dad & stepmother. Much bigger than we need but already showing some freezer burn. I'm letting it thaw over night and will need to do something with it tomorrow. My kneejerk thought is to coat it in brown sugar and bake it for four to five hours in a slow oven.
Any other ideas?
As a kid, when we were doing a baked ham instead of a smoked one, my dad used to do the brown sugar, cloves and pineapple thing. It always came out really good.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:15:37pm |
re: #161 Dark_Falcon
The thing is that McCain respects Obama at least somewhat. He did not respect JD Hayworth, whom he saw as the Know-Nothing asshole that Hayworth really is. And when McCain feels he is dealing with that kind of honorless foe he takes the gloves off. He also wanted to ensure that his Senate seat would continue to be held by a sane Republican.
Sure, but McCain is a lion of the Senate; as such, he shouldn't have stooped and pandered so much to beat a nobody like Hayworth. If the AZ GOP is really dumb enough to nominate people like Hayworth, in the long run, there's not much McCain can do about it, other than put it off a few years. Kinda sad that an honorable guy like him chose such a path in the last election of his career.
I think McCain also sincerely appreciated the historical nature of the 2012 election. Sadly that's something I can't say about many other Republicans.
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CuriousLurker Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:16:28pm |
re: #112 William Barnett-Lewis
Forgot to include a recipe link: [Link: allrecipes.com...]
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:16:38pm |
The NY GOP is going through a rougher purification process than in some other places:
Close races for two GOP senators who backed same-sex marriage
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:18:25pm |
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Big Joe Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:18:25pm |
re: #174 Mocking Jay
Where to find the parasites and moochers.
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Hey, look at that it's almost like it follows cost of living by area.
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Kruk Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:18:38pm |
re: #184 palomino
Sure, but McCain is a lion of the Senate; as such, he shouldn't have stooped and pandered so much to beat a nobody like Hayworth. If the AZ GOP is really dumb enough to nominate people like Hayworth, in the long run, there's not much McCain can do about it, other than put it off a few years. Kinda sad that an honorable guy like him chose such a path in the last election of his career.
My wife's comment on McCain in 2008 was that he was too "innocent" for national politics, which I could kinda see where she was coming from. I agree, it's sad the path he's gone down at the end of his career.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:18:54pm |
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:21:20pm |
re: #128 freetoken
I mentioned a few days ago that what Romney needs is for Kim K. to endorse him... well, guess what...
Kim K.: ‘I’m a Liberal Republican’; Still Undecided for 2012
See, there are "liberal Republicans".
Fortunately Kim K. lives in Cali, so her presidential preference (just like mine) doesn't really mean much.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:22:23pm |
re: #184 palomino
Sure, but McCain is a lion of the Senate; as such, he shouldn't have stooped and pandered so much to beat a nobody like Hayworth. If the AZ GOP is really dumb enough to nominate people like Hayworth, in the long run, there's not much McCain can do about it, other than put it off a few years. Kinda sad that an honorable guy like him chose such a path in the last election of his career.
He's also a practical man, and even more important is that we wanted his last election to be a win. Unlike Bennett in Utah or Crist in Florida, John McCain realized early that he was facing a strong challenge from the right and he decided he was going to beat that challenge back. Having made that decision, he took his subsequent actions with that goal in mind.
And again I come to his desire to have his seat held by a sane Republican. McCain likely viewed pandering as a "lesser of two evils" type of situation. He was clearly trained to think in those sorts of terms when necessary (naval officers have to be willing to order a compartment sealed to save their ship even when sealing the compartment dooms the men within it to death by drowning), and he likely felt that such thinking was needed in his race.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:23:13pm |
re: #174 Mocking Jay
Where to find the parasites and moochers.
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Florida is fucked! (same as Puerto Rico)
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:23:27pm |
OMG, even the Chinese are out protesting! When will it end!?
Anti-Japan protests erupt in China over islands row reut.rs/PrUi2u
— Reuters Top News (@Reuters) September 15, 2012
Oh hey, it's not against us this time!
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:25:02pm |
re: #192 palomino
Fortunately Kim K. lives in Cali, so her presidential preference (just like mine) doesn't really mean much.
Au contraire...
Kim's a fashion leader, an icon for many. She could swing some votes.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:25:38pm |
Kim's smart enough to know that if Mitt is elected and gets his way, she'll pay fewer taxes.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:26:10pm |
re: #197 freetoken
Kim's smart enough to know that if Mitt is elected and gets his way, she'll pay fewer taxes.
She's also smart enough to know that picking a side could hurt clothing sales.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:26:34pm |
re: #196 freetoken
Au contraire...
Kim's a fashion leader, an icon for many. She could swing some votes.
Maybe she's just slapping at Obama for calling her boyfriend a jackass back in 2009.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:26:54pm |
re: #177 prairiefire
I can barely wear rings, let alone hats. My wedding ring looks pretty new for 16 years. No watch, or necklace.
ha. I wear necklaces, but a watch would kill me. Beanies only when it's cold, and I pray that's one month away.
I got Uggs for the first time last year. Hand me down from friend. I will not tuck my pants into them, nor wear them in any way obvious, but damn they are the most comfy thing.
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Mr. Crankypants Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:26:58pm |
Just stopped in to say the no blade rule in AD&D led to a lot of pointless fights.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:27:19pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
He's also a practical man, and even more important is that we wanted his last election to be a win. Unlike Bennett in Utah or Crist in Florida, John McCain realized early that he was facing a strong challenge from the right and he decided he was going to beat that challenge back. Having made that decision, he took his subsequent actions with that goal in mind.
And again I come to his desire to have his seat held by a sane Republican. McCain likely viewed pandering as a "lesser of two evils" type of situation. He was clearly trained to think in those sorts of terms when necessary (naval officers have to be willing to order a compartment sealed to save their ship even when sealing the compartment dooms the men within it to death by drowning), and he likely felt that such thinking was needed in his race.
That's a nice rationalization. But wouldn't he have shown more courage and honor by saying, "Here is who I am. I've served you faithfully for decades. My opponent is a charlatan. There's your choice, Republican voters." If the GOP voters in AZ are so batshit insane that they would nominate Hayworth, then what McCain did amounted to putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. It's not gonna stop the bleeding since the underlying illness is chronic.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:28:15pm |
re: #196 freetoken
Au contraire...
Kim's a fashion leader, an icon for many. She could swing some votes.
Using which part of her anatomy?
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:28:36pm |
re: #202 palomino
That's a nice rationalization. But wouldn't he have shown more courage and honor by saying, "Here is who I am. I've served you faithfully for decades. My opponent is a charlatan. There's your choice, Republican voters." If the GOP voters in AZ are so batshit insane that they would nominate Hayworth, then what McCain did amounted to putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. It's not gonna stop the bleeding since the underlying illness is chronic.
I'd respond with Edmund Burke's dictum that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:29:07pm |
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Big Joe Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:30:38pm |
re: #202 palomino
That's a nice rationalization. But wouldn't he have shown more courage and honor by saying, "Here is who I am. I've served you faithfully for decades. My opponent is a charlatan. There's your choice, Republican voters." If the GOP voters in AZ are so batshit insane that they would nominate Hayworth, then what McCain did amounted to putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound. It's not gonna stop the bleeding since the underlying illness is chronic.
McCain already knew the GOP in Arizona were really THAT insane.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:30:46pm |
re: #196 freetoken
Au contraire...
Kim's a fashion leader, an icon for many. She could swing some votes.
I still have yet to figure out why these people are famous.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:31:46pm |
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:32:17pm |
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:32:36pm |
re: #199 Dark_Falcon
Maybe she's just slapping at Obama for calling her boyfriend a jackass back in 2009.
But Kanye is a big Obama supporter, and was at the convention. Kim just went to the parties.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:32:42pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I'd respond with Edmund Burke's dictum that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
This has been a weird conversation, considering that on many occasions you've spoken out against people compromising their principles.
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Digital Display Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:32:46pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I'd respond with Edmund Burke's dictum that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
And no good deed goes unpunished..
Welcome to 21st century diplomacy
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:33:09pm |
re: #197 freetoken
Kim's smart enough to know that if Mitt is elected and gets his way, she'll pay fewer taxes.
One of the things I respect about the uber-wealthy here in Cali is that so many of them DON'T think that way. They don't mind modest tax increases (like the Clinton rates) because they know you can't have the world's greatest military, modern infrastructure and a safety net for the poor and old unless someone pays for it.
And they seem to get that this isn't class warfare, it's simple arithmetic. We increase taxes on the rich because they've got the money. Hiking taxes on the bottom 50% won't help...what the hell are they gonna pay with, Monopoly money?
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Big Joe Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:34:48pm |
re: #213 palomino
One of the things I respect about the uber-wealthy here in Cali is that so many of them DON'T think that way. They don't mind modest tax increases (like the Clinton rates) because they know you can't have the world's greatest military, modern infrastructure and a safety net for the poor and old unless someone pays for it.
And they seem to get that this isn't class warfare, it's simple arithmetic. We increase taxes on the rich because they've got the money. Hiking taxes on the bottom 50% won't help...what the hell are they gonna pay with, Monopoly money?
Yeah but our Republicans are like mid-west Democrats.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:35:52pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I'd respond with Edmund Burke's dictum that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
And I would contend that, by taking the path he did, McCain made it easier for evil to triumph since he did nothing to stand up against it specifically. In fact, one could easily argue that he "did nothing" (other than cave to extremists and turn into a parody of his former self).
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:36:16pm |
re: #213 palomino
Hiking taxes on the bottom 50% won't help...what the hell are they gonna pay with, Monopoly money?
Debtor's prison? Pyramid building?
Ancient feudal structures provide a multitude of options.
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palomino Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:37:13pm |
re: #214 Big Joe
Yeah but our Republicans are like mid-west Democrats.
True, very true. Which is why even most liberals here weren't that upset by Schwarzenegger. He sounds more like a Dem when discussing half the issues, and is certainly no religious zealot.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:38:10pm |
re: #213 palomino
One of the things I respect about the uber-wealthy here in Cali is that so many of them DON'T think that way.
Her boyfriend Kanye has so much money that he can support Obama knowing that even if he pays more taxes he'll still be richer than most people.
The problem, one among many, with the Kardashians is that they still exude that wanna-be feeling, as if they are trying too hard. Kim has lots of money too, but she's not in the same league as the real power women.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:38:14pm |
re: #216 The Ghost of a Flea
Debtor's prison? Pyramid building?
Ancient feudal structures provide a multitude of options.
Hmm. You might be on to something!
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:39:46pm |
How the fuck does this happen? It never changes! You only need to make one of these!!!
RT @kelseylh: Fox News map switches Mississippi and Alabama. Derp.twitpic.com/aup658
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 15, 2012
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prairiefire Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:40:34pm |
re: #219 freetoken
I t would help if she had as much brains as bottom.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:41:19pm |
re: #207 Mocking Jay
I still have yet to figure out why these people are famous.
As I just told my wife, Lindsey Lohan at her drunkest is a more normal person than any of the K's. Shudder.
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:41:54pm |
re: #221 Mocking Jay
How the fuck does this happen? It never changes! You only need to make one of these!!!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:42:08pm |
re: #221 Mocking Jay
How the fuck does this happen? It never changes! You only need to make one of these!!!
[Embedded content]
The US taxpayers deserve a refund on public education.
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:44:21pm |
Ugh.
Presidential Candidate Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) - Message for Values Voter Summit 2012
Horrible. Even in its execution.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:44:37pm |
re: #222 prairiefire
I t would help if she had as much brains as bottom.
What? Her bottom is her biggest asset.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:47:26pm |
re: #230 Gus
He's slurring too. Weird.
Especially after Bible Spice gave the plea for better articulation.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:47:49pm |
re: #229 freetoken
That's some pretty bad acting, right there.
I was only able to make it through half of that.
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Gus Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:48:05pm |
re: #231 freetoken
Especially after Bible Spice gave the plea for better articulation.
Was he promoting early marriage and child bearing as a means to higher income?
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:48:45pm |
re: #233 Gus
Lot's of hidden messages packaged into a few key words - "hard work", "our culture", etc.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:51:43pm |
Mitt tried to appeal to the racists and atavists, but in reality he's just another empty suit in it for the money.
Note he didn't quote any scriptures. And his alter call was very tepid - "even one vote matters" stuff.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:52:47pm |
re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis
As I just told my wife, Lindsey Lohan at her drunkest is a more normal person than any of the K's. Shudder.
That's because for all her problem Lohan has some genuine talent as an actress. And when someone who has real talent, it does come through. They are far less likely to overtry, and more likely to make a well-written part their own.
A classic example (at least in the minds of my sister and I) is a movie called Varsity Blues. A movie about small-town Texas football, it was supposed to be a star vehicle for Dawson's Creek star James van der Beek. The problem was that the head coach who served as the antagonist to Beek's quarterback was played by Jon Voight. Though Voight quite properly gets a lot of flack her at LGF, when given a good role he is capable of true excellence in acting. He brought that excellence to Varsity Blues, and by being a greater screen presence and a more believable actor left James van der Beek badly overshadowed, a fact not lost upon Roger Ebert at the time.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:54:15pm |
re: #221 Mocking Jay
How the fuck does this happen? It never changes! You only need to make one of these!!!
Another child left behind. WTF.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:54:36pm |
Why do I feel like Romney is doing Bill Murray's "It Just Doesn't Matter!" speech to his campaign staff right now?#meatballs— Patton Oswalt (@pattonoswalt) September 15, 2012
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Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:54:49pm |
Paul Ryan shared a podium with this guy. How the media can say Ryan comes across as some genuine truthmaster is amazing to me. At no point in any of his speeches I've ever seen him do do I get the feeling that he's "genuine". He is Mitts boy wonder. A Randian marionette.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:55:06pm |
Awww.
Mitt Romney hugging NY Times reporter @ashleyrparker tonight on her birthday on the Romney plane. via Reuters twitpic.com/aupdm2
— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 15, 2012
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:55:48pm |
re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis
As I just told my wife, Lindsey Lohan at her drunkest is a more normal person than any of the K's. Shudder.
Thinking about it a bit more, even though there is a certain "watching a train wreck" aspect to it, I find Lindsey Lohan & even Britney Spears far more interesting, & even good looking, than any of the Kardashians. I doubt that says anything good about me, but then again, this is a situation where it's rather hard to care. Kyrie eleison!
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:56:28pm |
re: #243 William Barnett-Lewis
Thinking about it a bit more, even though there is a certain "watching a train wreck" aspect to it, I find Lindsey Lohan & even Britney Spears far more interesting, & even good looking, than any of the Kardashians. I doubt that says anything good about me, but then again, this is a situation where it's rather hard to care. Kyrie eleison!
Lohan was actually very talented. Now? Don't know. She may be so scrambled that she can't work.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:57:22pm |
re: #243 William Barnett-Lewis
Thinking about it a bit more, even though there is a certain "watching a train wreck" aspect to it, I find Lindsey Lohan & even Britney Spears far more interesting, & even good looking, than any of the Kardashians. I doubt that says anything good about me, but then again, this is a situation where it's rather hard to care. Kyrie eleison!
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:57:27pm |
re: #226 Gus
Ugh.
Presidential Candidate Gov. Mitt Romney (R-MA) - Message for Values Voter Summit 2012
Amazingly mechanical.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:57:47pm |
re: #223 William Barnett-Lewis
As I just told my wife, Lindsey Lohan at her drunkest is a more normal person than any of the K's. Shudder.
That's because there's a difference between a child actor who has had substance abuse problems and who clearly grew up with famewhore parents who cared more about their own excesses than making sure she survived Hollywood and a bunch of talentless, stupid people with no discernible use or talent to speak of.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:57:50pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:57:52pm |
re: #244 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Lohan was actually very talented. Now? Don't know. She may be so scrambled that she can't work.
We'll have to see how her Lifetime biopic comes out.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 9:58:32pm |
The family pictures in the background is a nice touch, but it is too little. If the camera was pulled back a ways... and a US flag was off to the side, and Mitt had on a red tie, it all would have seemed more Presidential.
Then the words - more God was needed. "Values" is a cover word, of course, and that is why they use it so they don't come off as too theocratic, but it also has less power.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:01:03pm |
re: #244 Mostly sane, most of the time.
Lohan was actually very talented. Now? Don't know. She may be so scrambled that she can't work.
What she needs is to get the hell away from Hollywood and her famewhore parents for a couple of years. Get away from all the people that keep enabling her substance abuse problems and get her head on straight. Get clean, do some stage work and small roles and rebuild her career as an adult actor.
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jaunte Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:01:20pm |
[Insert phrase]: "All walks of life"
[Nailed it]
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Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:01:23pm |
Look at Robert Downey Jr. He screwed up a bunch yet he recovered.
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MittDoesNotCompute Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:02:17pm |
re: #253 Amory Blaine
Look at Robert Downey Jr. He screwed up a bunch yet he recovered.
Yeah, but you gotta wanna.
Can Lohan figure it out before it's too late?
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:02:25pm |
re: #253 Amory Blaine
Look at Robert Downey Jr. He screwed up a bunch yet he recovered.
He was also an Academy Award nominee while in the throes of his addictions and he had a support system of people willing to help him even during his lowest points. He's not a fair comparison to Lohan.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:03:40pm |
re: #253 Amory Blaine
Look at Robert Downey Jr. He screwed up a bunch yet he recovered.
But he was already an adult. It's much easier to find the right path if you have simply lost your way, as Dante wrote that he had done, than if you had never been on the right path in the first place.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:04:31pm |
I don't really know about her or Downeys support system. Hollywood is also crueler to women. So yeah she has a stack of cards against her.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:05:24pm |
re: #245 Dark_Falcon
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True, that is where most these days would recognise that version of "lord have mercy". Excellent song, actually. Still, I was thinking more of the liturgical use (Kyrie eleison, Christie eleison, Kyrie eleison) than anything else.
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Kronocide Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:06:08pm |
Oh joy. Reading Ron Paul's musing about parallel currencies.
Not just gold, but gold and silver and something else. A free market of money!
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deadletterboy Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:06:52pm |
OT:
Neither of the theaters near me are showing 'The Master' but both are showing '2016: Obama's America' and 'Last Ounce of Courage', a Hallmark channel quality piece of dreck. What. The. Fuck.
Here's the trailer for that second one, if you haven't seen it.
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The Ghost of a Flea Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:07:37pm |
re: #255 Lidane
He was also an Academy Award nominee while in the throes of his addictions and he had a support system of people willing to help him even during his lowest points. He's not a fair comparison to Lohan.
There's also a sexist component. Lohan is simultaneously shamed for her sexuality and constantly judged on her sex appeal. Messed up young women in Hollywood are given more, and harsher, attention than men. Go to any gossip site and look at who gets posted on and how critically.
Not that I was particularly into the schadenfreude thing before, but noticing that kind of thing killed the appeal of celebrity gossip.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:07:42pm |
re: #253 Amory Blaine
Look at Robert Downey Jr. He screwed up a bunch yet he recovered.
Did he? He speaks a shitload of evil about the people he did time with while excusing himself. Sorry but I don't really think so.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:08:51pm |
re: #257 Amory Blaine
I don't really know about her or Downeys support system. Hollywood is also crueler to women. So yeah she has a stack of cards against her.
There's that too. Downey is insanely talented, but his addictions and legal problems were outpacing his career. He still had people willing to go to bat for him and help him and give him work until he finally got his shit together. Now he's sober and on top of the world.
When's the last time Lohan had a major acting gig? Hollywood is notorious for putting young actresses through the grinder and spitting them out. She could resurrect her career, or at least create a respectable one as an adult actor if there was anyone around her that actually gave a shit. It seems like people around her are more interested in the next story they can sell to TMZ instead of trying to point her in a more positive direction.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:09:37pm |
re: #254 Gert Fröbe
Yeah, but you gotta wanna.
Can Lohan figure it out before it's too late?
She's held it together recently, but much of that is because she's been working a good deal. If she's given work where she actually has to act she seems to take it seriously and apply herself. And when she applies herself she's far less prone to screwing up, simply because she values turning in a quality performance. Never underestimate the power that having pride in your craft can hold.
But right there you hit an important difference between an actress and someone "famous for being famous" dabbling at acting: pride. Pride does goeth before the fall, but it also motivates a person to do their best and live up to their potential.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:09:52pm |
re: #263 Lidane
There's that too. Downey is insanely talented, but his addictions and legal problems were outpacing his career. He still had people willing to go to bat for him and help him and give him work until he finally got his shit together. Now he's sober and on top of the world.
When's the last time Lohan had a major acting gig? Hollywood is notorious for putting young actresses through the grinder and spitting them out. She could resurrect her career, or at least create a respectable one as an adult actor if there was anyone around her that actually gave a shit. It seems like people around her are more interested in the next story they can sell to TMZ instead of trying to point her in a more positive direction.
"I'm allergic to alcohol. I break out in handcuffs."
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:10:59pm |
re: #258 William Barnett-Lewis
True, that is where most these days would recognise that version of "lord have mercy". Excellent song, actually. Still, I was thinking more of the liturgical use (Kyrie eleison, Christie eleison, Kyrie eleison) than anything else.
I knew you were, but Mister Mr. was thinking of that use too when they wrote the song. and it was just so apt as a reply that I decided to post it.
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Amory Blaine Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:11:48pm |
re: #259 Kronocide
Oh joy. Reading Ron Paul's musing about parallel currencies.
Not just gold, but gold and silver and something else. A free market of money!
Severed ears!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:13:56pm |
re: #31 JamesWI
He believes in Hades? So much for that "Thou shalt have no other Gods before me" business.
The Greek scriptures use 'Hades' for hell. I think it's as close as you can get in Greek to 'Sheol'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:15:10pm |
re: #33 Our Precious Bodily Fluids
After reading a little more about this Kamal Saleem character, I tend to think that he'd faint dead away if he ever heard a gunshot, never mind if he came within 100 miles of any of the stuff he claims to have been involved in. He reminds me of a bizarro-world version of the guys who go around falsely claiming to be Navy SEALS and "special forces commandos".
30+ years ago, my dad worked for a guy (in an executive position in 1970s Corporate America) who often told tales of his heroic exploits as an "intelligence operative" during WWII. Then someone accidentally learned his date of birth, and thereby discovered that he would have been performing all these deep-cover operations behind German lines at the ripe age of 15.
Well, I know some people who were fighting in WWII at that age. Not Americans.
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:15:41pm |
There's also another difference -- the internet didn't exist for most people when Downey's addictions first became a problem in the 80's and it wasn't as big of a thing when he was in and out of jail and rehab in the 90's. Lohan is much younger and grew up with her screw-ups and her problems being posted online.
If even half the shit that I said and did in my 20's had been posted online, I would have ended up in rehab or worse. And thank fuck that smartphones with built in cameras didn't exist back then. It's a whole different game now than it was just 20 years ago.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:17:36pm |
re: #69 goddamnedfrank
It's no accident, Christianity is a syncretic religion, ripping off the vast majority of its source material and holidays.
'Ripping off' is a tad harsh. Did Voudou 'rip off' the Catholic saints?
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:17:46pm |
Good evening, SFZ. Are we into the new year?
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:21:02pm |
re: #258 William Barnett-Lewis
True, that is where most these days would recognise that version of "lord have mercy". Excellent song, actually. Still, I was thinking more of the liturgical use (Kyrie eleison, Christie eleison, Kyrie eleison) than anything else.
Christie eleison?
Why exactly do I want the Gov. of New Jersey to have mercy on me?
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engineer cat Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:21:40pm |
MultipartStream$MalformedStreamException: Stream ended unexpectedly
here's a hint: don't issue onchange="window.location.reload();"
it utterly confuses the multipartfile mechanism
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:21:53pm |
re: #270 Lidane
There's also another difference -- the internet didn't exist for most people when Downey's addictions first became a problem in the 80's and it wasn't as big of a thing when he was in and out of jail and rehab in the 90's. Lohan is much younger and grew up with her screw-ups and her problems being posted online.
If even half the shit that I said and did in my 20's had been posted online, I would have ended up in rehab or worse. And thank fuck that smartphones with built in cameras didn't exist back then. It's a whole different game now than it was just 20 years ago.
Little Brother, that's how I think of the ubiquity of cameras today. And even though Little Brother doesn't have the force of the government behind him, he can still ruin your life or even get you arrested if you're recorded breaking the law.
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:22:15pm |
re: #273 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Christie eleison?
Why exactly do I want the Gov. of New Jersey to have mercy on me?
SMACK!
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:22:16pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:24:05pm |
re: #273 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Christie eleison?
Why exactly do I want the Gov. of New Jersey to have mercy on me?
I think I got that greek spelling correct, but being wrong wouldn't be a first for me. I'll go check...
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:25:23pm |
re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist
Nope, Sunday night.
Ah, thank you. Must have misread something as I thought it was sundown last evening.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:25:30pm |
re: #278 William Barnett-Lewis
I think I got that greek spelling correct, but being wrong wouldn't be a first for me. I'll go check...
I think it's Christe, not Christie.
Although that wouldn't be the first 'twist' on it. There is a delightful medieval poem about a young man who sings Kyrie eleison in church, while keeping an eye on a girl named Alison.
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engineer cat Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:26:31pm |
Kyrie eleison, Christie eleison, Kyrie eleison
i always thought that it's nice that some little part of the pre-roman version of christianity can still be found in the western mass
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sagehen Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:27:47pm |
re: #270 Lidane
There's also another difference -- the internet didn't exist for most people when Downey's addictions first became a problem in the 80's and it wasn't as big of a thing when he was in and out of jail and rehab in the 90's. Lohan is much younger and grew up with her screw-ups and her problems being posted online.
If even half the shit that I said and did in my 20's had been posted online, I would have ended up in rehab or worse. And thank fuck that smartphones with built in cameras didn't exist back then. It's a whole different game now than it was just 20 years ago.
There's a pretty big difference between how the tabloids and cable news react to the same sorts of stories about men and women... Anna Nicole Smith and Heath Ledger died in the same way, within a short time of each other, but Smith was a media circus and Ledger was "oh let's be respectful" and the story was glossed over pretty quickly.
Paris Hilton and Keifer Sutherland both got DUI's within a short time of each other, both got short jail sentences, but Paris's jail time had minute-by-minute coverage and helicopters following her back and forth to court, Keifer got a two-minute mention and the story goes away.
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SanFranciscoZionist Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:28:49pm |
All religions are syncretic. They don't just fall out of the sky,you know!
(Bad Dogma reference.)
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engineer cat Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:29:14pm |
re: #259 Kronocide
Oh joy. Reading Ron Paul's musing about parallel currencies.
Not just gold, but gold and silver and something else. A free market of money!
i think ron paul would do an unusually brilliant job of fucking things up into a total hairball if here were president
man's got talent
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:31:49pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's Christe, not Christie.
Although that wouldn't be the first 'twist' on it. There is a delightful medieval poem about a young man who sings Kyrie eleison in church, while keeping an eye on a girl named Alison.
Oh, I like that. So very real. Thank you, for that bit, I have a poem to search for :)
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:33:22pm |
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Dark_Falcon Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:34:00pm |
re: #282 sagehen
There's a pretty big difference between how the tabloids and cable news react to the same sorts of stories about men and women... Anna Nicole Smith and Heath Ledger died in the same way, within a short time of each other, but Smith was a media circus and Ledger was "oh let's be respectful" and the story was glossed over pretty quickly.
Paris Hilton and Keifer Sutherland both got DUI's within a short time of each other, both got short jail sentences, but Paris's jail time had minute-by-minute coverage and helicopters following her back and forth to court, Keifer got a two-minute mention and the story goes away.
Some of that is just that most of the demand for tabloid photos is for photos of women. Male actors pictures are far less in demand and their outfits are seldom noticed.
There's more at work then just what I mentioned, but my understanding of the deeper issues in play is too limited to be able to provide a competent description.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:35:48pm |
re: #280 SanFranciscoZionist
I think it's Christe, not Christie.
Just so. It's the Greek vocative of Christos (and Latin vocative of Christus).
There's also Christi, which is the Latin genitive (possessive) of Christus and appears in phrases such as corpus Christi, the body of Christ.
As far as I know there's no Christie in either Greek or Latin.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:36:16pm |
re: #287 Dark_Falcon
Some of that is just that most of the demand for tabloid photos is for photos of women. Male actors pictures are far less in demand and their outfits are seldom noticed.
There's more at work then just what I mentioned, but my understanding of the deeper issues in play is too limited to be able to provide a competent description.
Upding more for the last para than anything else as I'm, lord knows, in the same position.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:36:24pm |
Another guy from Detroit who was born within a year of Mitt had this to say..
I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice,
I wanna be elected,
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce,
I wanna be elected,
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:37:53pm |
re: #288 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Just so. It's the Greek vocative of Christos (and Latin vocative of Christus).
There's also Christi, which is the Latin genitive (possessive) of Christus and appears in phrases such as corpus Christi, the body of Christ.
As far as I know there's no Christie in either Greek or Latin.
I so love what I learn here. Thank you.
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William Barnett-Lewis Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:39:36pm |
And so, it's that point in the evening. Thank you all. Take care & we'll get back at it in the morn.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:44:08pm |
re: #288 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
As far as I know there's no Christie in either Greek or Latin.
The "ie" ending is very modern sounding, as is the name. There are of course many European proper names that derive from the religious χριστός .
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:50:11pm |
Back to reality TV... the latest version ("cycle") of American's Next Top Model has slipped into asininity, playing waaayyy too much into the "social media" meme. Experts, true experts, become such after extensive experience in any given field, and are not teenagers just uploading tweets/videos.
Oh, and the photo shoots are becoming very derivative of earlier work done in the show's history.
Combine that with DWTS going with repeat "stars", its all appearing as if the reality TV genre is looking real tired.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:51:10pm |
re: #293 freetoken
The "ie" ending is very modern sounding, as is the name. There are of course many European proper names that derive from the religious χριστός .
Well, Kyrie ends in -ie, although it's not quite right to call -ie an ending in that case. That's because in Kyrios the letter i is part of the stem, so it remains when the nominative -os ending is changed to -e to form the vocative. So it's Kyri + e and not Kyr + ie.
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Mocking Jay Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:52:04pm |
Hm. Steam wants to sell me Deus Ex: Human Revolution for less than 8 bucks.
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dragonath Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:54:45pm |
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Lidane Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:55:59pm |
re: #294 freetoken
I will not shed any tears when reality TV finally dies.
It's an entire genre that was created because the studios wanted content that was cheap to produce and didn't require any writers that they'd have to pay. The sooner it goes away the better.
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freetoken Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:56:02pm |
re: #296 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
I was thinking of English sounding names, like Christie, or Carrie, or Abbie, or Addie, Aimie, Allie, Barbie, Brie, and so on. I'm hardly and expert on contemporary baby names, but our modern English does seem to be sort of gravitating towards names ending in "ie".
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Targetpractice Fri, Sep 14, 2012 10:57:34pm |
re: #297 Mocking Jay
Hm. Steam wants to sell me Deus Ex: Human Revolution for less than 8 bucks.
Go for it, it's a pretty good game. The story's a little heavy, but the gameplay's solid.
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Targetpractice Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:02:10pm |
Times I wish I could erase portions of my memory, just so I could enjoy the rush of playing an old game again like it was the first time.
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Mich-again Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:05:38pm |
re: #302 Targetpractice
Times I wish I could erase portions of my memory, just so I could enjoy the rush of playing an old game again like it was the first time.
soon enough grasshopper..
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engineer cat Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:25:10pm |
re: #288 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
Just so. It's the Greek vocative of Christos (and Latin vocative of Christus).
There's also Christi, which is the Latin genitive (possessive) of Christus and appears in phrases such as corpus Christi, the body of Christ.
As far as I know there's no Christie in either Greek or Latin.
i believe christie is a form of the locative case known as the gluteus maximus
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engineer cat Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:31:29pm |
re: #301 Targetpractice
Go for it, it's a pretty good game. The story's a little heavy, but the gameplay's solid.
maybe it has gameplay but does it have mouthfeel
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engineer cat Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:47:59pm |
christos
means of course 'annointed', the literal translation of 'meshiach', messiah, from the hebrew to the greek, meaning annointed with perfumed oil, as appropriate for an earthly king. the word for the oil itself is 'chrism' - all three of these terms have the velar fricative that seems to me to be a reflection of the somewhat viscuous texture of the chrism. one could think of similar sounding words relating to similar substances...
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Obdicut Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:49:55pm |
re: #302 Targetpractice
The new turn-based X-com game from Firaxis is apparently incredibly good.
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Fri, Sep 14, 2012 11:57:49pm |
re: #307 engineer cat
christos
means of course 'annointed', the literal translation of 'meshiach', messiah, from the hebrew to the greek, meaning annointed with perfumed oil, as appropriate for an earthly king. the word for the oil itself is 'chrism' - all three of these terms have the velar fricative that seems to me to be a reflection of the somewhat viscuous texture of the chrism. one could think of similar sounding words relating to similar substances...
It can't be a coincidence that the Klingon word for "slime" is HuH.
The Klingon capital H is described on the Klingon Language Institute's website as
A harsh sound in the throat, found in German (as in "Bach") or the Hebrew toast "l'chayim." Make sure you pronounce this harshly and unvoiced.
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:10:03am |
re: #259 Kronocide
Oh joy. Reading Ron Paul's musing about parallel currencies.
Not just gold, but gold and silver and something else. A free market of money!
We had that once: Union greenbacks and Confederate dollars. Didn't work...
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:11:13am |
re: #265 Mostly sane, most of the time.
"I'm allergic to alcohol. I break out in handcuffs."
"I'm allergic to leather. Whenever I fall asleep with my shoes on, I wake up with a splitting headache."
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engineer cat Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:41:20am |
re: #309 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne
It can't be a coincidence that the Klingon word for "slime" is HuH.
The Klingon capital H is described on the Klingon Language Institute's website as
fricatives and obstruants can be articulated in many places, but the result is always gross
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Kragar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:54:19am |
So a couple of days ago, my youngest asked us what a certain swear word meant. My wife and I broke out laughing, but my older girl didn't hear it, so she's been dying to know what the word was. Now my younger girl knows its a swear word, so she won't say it again, but tonight she was teasing her sister and just nailed her.
"Please tell me what the word was!"
"Are you sure?"
"Tell me the word!"
"You want to know the word?"
"YES!"
"BIRD! BIRD! BIRD! BIRD IS THE WORD!"
"ARRRRGHHH!!!"
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Kragar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:59:08am |
re: #308 Obdicut
The new turn-based X-com game from Firaxis is apparently incredibly good.
Pre-ordered it last night. Have a lot of good memories from the old X-Com games
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RawheaD Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:09:02am |
"As early as March, at most.."
The guy needs to learn some English grammar :lol:
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Kragar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:22:50am |
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LITTLE CHANGE IN OUR OFFSHORE WEATHER PATTERN WILL SET THE STAGE FOR ANOTHER SCORCHER ON SATURDAY. MINIMUM TEMPERATURES TONIGHT WILL BE IN THE 70S FOR MOST OF THE AREA...PROVIDING MINIMAL RELIEF. SOME AREAS ABOVE 500 FEET MAY ONLY BRIEFLY DROP INTO THE UPPER 70S.
TEMPERATURES ARE EXPECTED TO BE HIGHER..NEAR RECORD...ON SATURDAY FOR THE IMMEDIATE COAST AND I-5 CORRIDOR...REACHING CLOSE TO 100... AND CONTINUING TO AROUND 105 JUST INLAND. HOTTEST LOCATIONS WILL BE NEAR 108 DEGREES ALONG I-15.
IN THIS HEAT IT IS IMPORTANT TO STAY COOL AND AVOID OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES DURING THE MID DAY PERIOD. DRINK PLENTY OF FLUIDS AND CHECK ON THE ELDERLY AND YOUNG.
EXPECTED HIGH TEMPERATURES SATURDAY:
COASTAL MESAS................102 TO 107 JUST INLAND FROM THE IMMEDIATE COAST........................98 TO 103 SAN DIEGO COUNTY VALLEYS AND INLAND ORANGE COUNTY.........98 TO 106 BEACHES......................80S TO AROUND 93
INLAND EMPIRE................100 TO 106 MOUNTAINS BELOW 5000 FEET....85 TO 95 HIGH DESERTS.................95 TO 100 LOW DESERTS..................102 TO 106
COOLING WILL BEGIN ON SUNDAY AND CONTINUE ON MONDAY. ANOTHER WARMING TREND IS EXPECTED TUESDAY THROUGH THURSDAY BUT LIKELY NOT AS HOT ON THE COAST.
THERE WILL BE AN ELEVATED WILDFIRE RISK OVER THE MOUNTAINS... FOOTHILLS...AND ADJACENT VALLEYS IN SAN DIEGO COUNTY. LOCAL GUSTS OF 25 TO 35 MPH FROM THE EAST ARE EXPECTED THROUGH SATURDAY.
It's about 1:30 am here and its 80 outside.
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researchok Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:31:51am |
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Kragar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:42:12am |
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:45:14am |
We know, that's why California is headed out to sea...
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sagehen Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:50:51am |
re: #317 Kragar
It's about 1:30 am here and its 80 outside.
These are the days you bless the EPA that at least it's not compounded by 1960's-level 2nd stage smog alerts.
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freetoken Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:55:29am |
A few weeks ago I posted mp3s of a few of my favorite sections of Tchaikovsky's Liturgy of St. Chrysostom, a great work for which the master tune writer is little known (at least among Americans, though I'm sure your local Russian Orthodox church members are well aware of it.) Do to overwhelming demand - well, there ought to have been demand - here is the entirety in one piece:
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Decatur Deb Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:09:47am |
Sorry to have missed this thread--got to sleep sometime. The Values Voters cast listing was a good place to start building the rogues' gallery of Bad Crazy, and the undeniable space they share with our most obnoxious politicians. A lot of the represented organizations trace back to a few RW family fortunes and their astroturfed institutions.
Off today to insulate our Habitat house. Hate fiberglass insulation, but at least the weather here has broken enough to wear masks and tyvek coveralls.
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:14:30am |
re: #45 Mich-again
I bet if you took a poll there Obama would have 0.0% support. They may not like Mitt, but they do think if they help elect him, he will owe them political favors.
Of course the Value Voters crowd is "interested" in Romney. Hello!
Mitt will let them have run of the social agenda. I cannot imagine him ever showing any spine to them ever again.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:11:33am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:23:11am |
Dade City man claims sovereign citizenship, refuses to be arrested on child porn charge, deputies say
Durkop refused to put his legs into a deputy's patrol car, the Sheriff's Office report said. He carried sovereign citizen documents and told deputies he is a world citizen of the Iowa Republic. He said neither law enforcement, nor their warrants, had authority over him, according to the report.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
And a little FYI: Dade City has a ton of meth labs.
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:25:10am |
re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dade City man claims sovereign citizenship, refuses to be arrested on child porn charge, deputies say
Durkop refused to put his legs into a deputy's patrol car, the Sheriff's Office report said. He carried sovereign citizen documents and told deputies he is a world citizen of the Iowa Republic. He said neither law enforcement, nor their warrants, had authority over him, according to the report.
[Link: www.tampabay.com...]
And a little FYI: Dade City has a ton of meth labs.
He may refuse to recognize the court's jurisdiction all he wants, but the court is required to prosecute alleged criminals, period.
Civil Dispobedience is not just about ignoring the law, it is about accepting the consequences of doing so. If he wants to plead a higher authority, then let it intervene on his behalf...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:28:02am |
re: #330 Expand Your Ground
Oh, c'mon Ralphie, it's just a little child porn!!!
/
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:30:08am |
re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar
He carried sovereign citizen documents
Authorities became suspicious when they noticed the documents were signed by Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski,
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:42:12am |
re: #332 sattv4u2
He carried sovereign citizen documents
Authorities became suspicious when they noticed the documents were signed by Theodore John "Ted" Kaczynski,
The let Uncle Ted plead his case before the World Court...
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:46:09am |
re: #333 Expand Your Ground
The let Uncle Ted plead his case before the World Court...
he should have asked for the Kangaroo Court
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:47:01am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:56:15am |
So my friend tells me about a side job he has and I can work with him and earn a little money, which would be nice considering I'm broke and I start my new job next week. Then he says that the job has been pushed back to do another one. Yippee, right? Not so much. What we are doing today is for a family friend (not my family) and I get to work with no pay. Oh, joy!!!
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William of Orange Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:59:01am |
If the consequences weren't that grave, the loss of life of four Americans, this would be a great story. And no doubt Rush Limbaugh finds another conspiracy to make Obama look good....
The man arrested for making the movie which enraged the Muslim population (well, a small but very violent fraction of it) was Egyptian. The maker Nakoula Bassily Nakoula was convicted for bank fraud in 2009. One condition for his early release was that he was not allowed to make use of a computer for five years, a condition he clearly broke.
As a Koptian Christian he no doubt knew the consequences of the movie and what sentiments it would bring in the Muslim world. Anything to incite violence against Americans to further your agenda. And to make it sound even worse he forwarded the blame to the Jewish people by giving credit to a non existent Jewish film maker "Sam Bacile".
The cherry on this story would be of course if Nakoula would be a secret Muslim working for Al-Qaeda, but that would make me sound an aweful lot like Rush...
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech! This is calculating mis-characterization of depiction of American values in the Arab world!
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:00:53am |
re: #337 William of Orange
This has nothing to do with freedom of speech! This is calculating mis-characterization of depiction of American values in the Arab world!
And although there is no official government backing behind it, it does, unfortunatley, represent the views held by a number of voters and politicians in high office.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:05:00am |
re: #338 Expand Your Ground
And although there is no official government backing behind it, it does, unfortunatley, represent the views held by a number of voters and politicians in high office.
So what
A number of people still believe the earth is flat. Doesn't give justification for rioting/ killing by someone who 'knows" the earth isn't
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RogueOne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:06:43am |
re: #339 sattv4u2
"The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."
My religion says the earth is one big octagon and if you make fun of me for it, your government hates you!
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:10:46am |
re: #338 Expand Your Ground
And although there is no official government backing behind it, it does, unfortunatley, represent the views held by a number of voters and politicians in high office.
Has to do with an earlier posting: a lot of educated people in the Arab world take advantage of the uneducated masses' lack of understanding of freedom of speech: they assume that anything that is published, broadcast or released must be approved if not produced by the government.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:10:56am |
re: #340 RogueOne
Yea. Well, we'll just make fun of you for other reasons. So there.
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RogueOne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:11:31am |
re: #342 Cannadian Club Akbar
Yea. Well, we'll just make fun of you for other reasons. So there.
Then I'll hate you instead....I hate you!
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:12:35am |
re: #340 RogueOne
"The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others."
My religion says the earth is one big octagon and if you make fun of me for it, your government hates you!
In that case, I'm burning down a Wendys
i just know that red-headed bitch is in on it somehow!!
/
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:12:47am |
re: #341 Expand Your Ground
Has to do with an earlier posting: a lot of educated people in the Arab world take advantage of the uneducated masses' lack of understanding of freedom of speech: they assume that anything that is published, broadcast or released must be approved if not produced by the government.
That cartoon that made everyone in the ME go on full freak out was out for what, like 6 months before it was pimped by some Sheiks or Imams.
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AK-47% Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:14:24am |
re: #345 Cannadian Club Akbar
That cartoon that made everyone in the ME go on full freak out was out for what, like 6 months before it was pimped by some Sheiks or Imams.
Just like this film was mouldering in well-deserved obscurity until it got translated into Arabic and hawked around the ME...just in time to coincide with attacks on US and other foreign embassies.
This is a far cry from "spontaneous righteous indignation and rage".
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RogueOne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:20:22am |
re: #341 Expand Your Ground
Has to do with an earlier posting: a lot of educated people in the Arab world take advantage of the uneducated masses' lack of understanding of freedom of speech: they assume that anything that is published, broadcast or released must be approved if not produced by the government.
It's a shame that our foreign policy doesn't include continual teaching of our belief in the "Universal" right of free speech and necessity of a free press. It seems we're both to worried about upsetting the status quo in many places and sometimes we're not quite confident about the standard ourselves.
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:23:34am |
Damn you Charles for making upgrade to google chrome! I can upding now, giggity!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:25:00am |
I gotta go work for free. Outtie.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:26:40am |
re: #348 Tommy's cone of shame
Damn you Charles for making upgrade to google chrome! I can upding now, giggity!
the name is SATTV4U2
I have 55,000 posts
get started
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:32:11am |
re: #350 sattv4u2
Updings all around! That was the most annoying part. In person I generally don't have much to say unless I know you well, then I'll chew your ear off (no really I'm a zombie). I have always been slow to embrace new technologies. I was the asshole in High School that excelled in mechanical drawing and architectural drawing, which went the way the way of buggy whips and dinosaurs.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:36:44am |
re: #351 Tommy's cone of shame
. I was the asshole in High School
I wasn't
I am now,, but not then!!
/
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:38:02am |
re: #353 Tommy's cone of shame
and the grass is always greener on the other side
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:38:52am |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:39:07am |
re: #354 Tommy's cone of shame
and the grass is always greener on the other side
because the water bill is higher
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:43:20am |
Everybody is a comic. Last night I tried to watch the movie Abraham Lincoln versus the Zombies, I got about 6 minutes in, when in the background you could hear an ambulance siren.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:51:17am |
re: #357 Tommy's cone of shame
Everybody is a comic
Noe me
but I DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night
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Shropshire_Slasher Sat, Sep 15, 2012 6:04:18am |
We all get these local stories from time to time
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I get sick to my stomach when I think someone could do this to a helpless creature. There was some outpouring of support for the capture of the perps.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 6:08:14am |
Good morning Lizards. Sunny and relatively cool in Philadelphia. Cup of tea and then off to bicycle along the river for a while.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 6:51:09am |
re: #344 sattv4u2
In that case, I'm burning down a Wendys
i just know that red-headed bitch is in on it somehow!!
/
You do that and I'll snap your spine! Wendy's has first rate burgers and they now have cheese fries as well, plus soda machines that let add you things like raspberry or orange. How could hate you that? Unless, of course, you're Michael Bloomburg.
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RogueOne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 6:52:31am |
re: #361 Dark_Falcon
She's making the children fat, why do you hate children so much? She has TO BURN!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 6:53:05am |
re: #359 Tommy's cone of shame
We all get these local stories from time to time
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
I get sick to my stomach when I think someone could do this to a helpless creature. There was some outpouring of support for the capture of the perps.
Unfortunately, the use of pit bulls in dog fighting means they are often owned by people with seriously sick minds.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 6:54:35am |
re: #362 RogueOne
She's making the children fat, why do you hate children so much? She has TO BURN!
Is that you, Michelle Obama? Is this me?
///
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RogueOne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:01:57am |
re: #364 Dark_Falcon
Fatties and bullies are killing this country. Haven't you been paying attention? Everyone is so fat it has become a national security crisis with AGW concerns. Our fat is heating up the planet and threatening to tip over islands. The additional mass is compressing the planet and raising the ocean levels. Thank god someone finally did something about the 32oz soda menace and now it's time to start torching fast food joints! It's time for a forcible "Skinny Spring"! ---- M. Bloomberg.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:03:30am |
Good morning lizards!
Today is our 19th anniversary. I have to figure out what to buy her before I go back home this afternoon.
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RogueOne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:06:29am |
Speaking of work, I need to get motivated. Enjoy your day folks!
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:06:39am |
re: #366 NJDhockeyfan
Good morning lizards!
Today is our 19th anniversary. I have to figure out what to buy her before I go back home this afternoon.
Jewelry is always a nice touch, if it is of decent quality. A good book or two is also a nice idea.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:09:06am |
Ugh.
“Behead Them! - Please help to make this image go viral" bit.ly/QroJqJ
— RDFRS(US) (@rdfrs) September 15, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:09:07am |
re: #368 Dark_Falcon
Jewelry is always a nice touch, if it is of decent quality. A good book or two is also a nice idea.
Sounds good. I think a bowling ball or a new set of wrenches is out of the question.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:14:30am |
re: #369 Mocking Jay
Ugh.
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Retweeted, because it needs to be. The commentary below the photo:
Behead those who insult Jesus? No. Behead those who insult Lord Krishna? No. Behead those who insult Buddha? No. Behead those who insult Yahweh? No.
[Link: bit.ly...]
Is it Islamophobic of me to link to that child? And is it wrong of me to call it child abuse?
Richard
No Richard, it is not Islamophobia to post photos of a sign Muslim parents made their children hold; It's accurately recording the event. And yes, what those parents did in giving their kids that sign is child abuse. I'm sure they're brainwash those kids even now to hate anyone who does fit their narrow definition of "purity".
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:18:01am |
Libya says US consulate attackers planned deadly assault bit.ly/Orfi8E— ABC News (@abcnews) September 15, 2012
So much for the idea it was a protest against that movie trailer.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:19:22am |
A wake-up call to anyone who considers David Frum the "reasonable conservative":
Dinesh D'Souza nicely sums up the issue in this election: black people want your house and Obama will give it to them. 2016themovie.com/media/— davidfrum (@davidfrum) September 15, 2012
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:22:26am |
Report: Softcore porn director behind 'Innocence of Muslims' film that sparked anti-U.S. protests
A schlock softporn director named Alan Roberts has been identified as the director of the film that ridicules Muslims and the prophet Muhammed and has incited violent protests across the Middle East, according to a report by Gawker published Saturday.
According to Gawker, an Alan Roberts is listed as director on casting calls and call sheets of "Innocence of Muslims" from the summer of 2011, back when the film was innocuously called "Desert Warriors."
Further, the report says, Roberts' real name is Robert Brownell, a 65-year-old small-time director and editor, whose directing credits include some softcore porn from the 70s and 80s like 1977's "Young Lady Chatterly," "The Sexpert" and "The Happy Hooker Goes to Hollywood," third of the Happy Hooker trilogy. Other credits reportedly include low-budget films like 1991's "Karate Cop" along with 28 editing credits.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:23:48am |
re: #372 NJDhockeyfan
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So much for the idea it was a protest against that movie trailer.
It was clear from the time that we knew how the assault went down that it had nothing to do with protesting. This is just a confirmation.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:28:38am |
re: #373 bratwurst
A wake-up call to anyone who considers David Frum the "reasonable conservative":
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I think Frum meant that sarcastically. If so, he did it poorly.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:30:45am |
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:31:35am |
Premise of d'Souza's career now is using his Indian heritage as sort of heat-shield that allows him to peddle most rancid antiblack bigotry
— Josh Marshall (@joshtpm) September 15, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:32:33am |
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:33:21am |
Mornin' everyone...a peek from behind the magic curtain...
Mitt's debate prep mostly involves Ann yelling, "You're smirking again!"— Holy GOP (@HolyGOP) September 15, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:34:12am |
re: #378 Mocking Jay
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That and the fact that d'Souza does look like a nutcase, and his tone and manner is not that of a nut, either. But his words, they are a bigot's words.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:35:27am |
re: #375 Dark_Falcon
It was clear from the time that we knew how the assault went down that it had nothing to do with protesting. This is just a confirmation.
Someone might want to let Jay Carney know about this.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:35:48am |
re: #380 darthstar
Mornin' everyone...a peek from behind the magic curtain...
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Whereas Obama's debate prep involves lessons in how to use the fact that Mitt Romney is rich to cover up the fact that his Middle East policy lies in ruins.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:37:32am |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
Whereas Obama's debate prep involves lessons in how to use the fact that Mitt Romney is rich to cover up the fact that his Middle East policy lies in ruins.
LIES IN RUINS!
Hyperbole much?
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:38:40am |
re: #382 NJDhockeyfan
Someone might want to let Jay Carney know about this.
Nope, they just want him to keep DERPing along.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:39:09am |
And really, you actually want to argue that Mitt Romney has a better foreign policy policy than President Obama? I don't think accusing a sitting president of siding with America's enemies against us is exactly a rock solid foreign policy.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:40:29am |
re: #384 darthstar
Hyperbole much?
He said he'd get the Muslim world to like us. With repeated attacks on our embassies, I'm not feelin' the love.
Obama in the Middle East has been an unending string of blunders.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:40:36am |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
Whereas Obama's debate prep involves lessons in how to use the fact that Mitt Romney is rich to cover up the fact that his Middle East policy lies in ruins.
Ruins?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:40:39am |
re: #372 NJDhockeyfan
There's also this
Qaeda says Benghazi attack 'revenge' for leader's death
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:44:42am |
I seem to remember the ME being in "ruins" for the past 2,000 years. More or less.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:44:59am |
re: #389 Killgore Trout
There's also this
Qaeda says Benghazi attack 'revenge' for leader's death
Jay Carney, are you paying attention?
They aren't finished yet either...
Al Qaeda in Yemen urges Muslims to kill U.S. diplomats over film
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:45:21am |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
He said he'd get the Muslim world to like us? With repeated attacks on our embassies, I'm not feelin' the love.
Obama in the Middle East has been an unending string of blunders.
When did President Obama ever say he'd get the Muslim world to like us? He's not some simpleton like Bush when it comes to human behavior. He has said that we should treat everyone with respect. That doesn't mean there won't still be assholes out there who will try to stir up shit - and this recent event looks just like that...assholes trying to stir up shit (and you acknowledged that yourself upthread).
You're not feeling the love...you're doing the same thing Mitt Romney is trying to do...use a sudden crisis (and yes, the deaths of Americans) as a club against President Obama. Fuck that shit.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:48:14am |
Al-Qaeda said the deadly attack in Benghazi, Libya was in revenge for the killing of the network’s number two m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-…
— Weed Dude (@weeddude) September 15, 2012
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:49:29am |
re: #394 darthstar
When did President Obama ever say he'd get the Muslim world to like us? He's not some simpleton like Bush when it comes to human behavior. He has said that we should treat everyone with respect. That doesn't mean there won't still be assholes out there who will try to stir up shit - and this recent event looks just like that...assholes trying to stir up shit (and you acknowledged that yourself upthread).
You're not feeling the love...you're doing the same thing Mitt Romney is trying to do...use a sudden crisis (and yes, the deaths of Americans) as a club against President Obama. Fuck that shit.
Only a fool would ignore the opportunities a sudden crisis offers: It allows a new avenue of attack and it's one Obama helped open himself up for.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:50:24am |
re: #393 NJDhockeyfan
Jay Carney, are you paying attention?
Between you and Dark I feel like I'm arguing with the best and the brightest that the GOP has to offer. Take that however you like.
Time to ramble...catch you all later.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:51:26am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
Only a fool would ignore the opportunities a sudden crisis offers: It allows a new avenue of attack and it's one Obama helped open himself up for.
At least you admit you're willing to score cheap political points on the blood of American diplomats.
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:51:39am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
Only a fool would ignore the opportunities a sudden crisis offers: It allows a new avenue of attack and it's one Obama helped open himself up for.
This isn't a freedom of speech issue. You were just looking at initial reports coming out that the attack in Libya was already planned.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:53:21am |
Watch it in 1080 if you can.
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Dark_Falcon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:53:42am |
re: #399 Gus
This isn't a freedom of speech issue. You were just looking at initial reports coming out that the attack in Libya was already planned.
It matters not in this case. A part of the problem is Obama ceding ground he should not cede, and Andrew C. McCarthy is right to call him on it.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:54:40am |
Anti-American fury over film hits Australia; protesters clash with police
Australia became the latest nation to cope with protests.
Carrying signs that read: "Obama, Obama, we like Osama" and "Behead All Those Who Insult the Prophet," protesters in Sydney gathered on the steps of the consulate.
The demonstration turned violent after protesters were pushed back from the building by police.
Who ever expected these people to be reasonable?
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:55:57am |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
Anti-American fury over film hits Australia; protesters clash with police
Who ever expected these people to be reasonable?
One can look at the Values Voters summitt and say the same thing.
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:56:35am |
re: #401 Dark_Falcon
It matters not in this case. A part of the problem is Obama ceding ground he should not cede, and Andrew C. McCarthy is right to call him on it.
Ceding what ground? We now have influence in Libya unlike one we've never seen in decades. Our diplomat was killed there along with 3 others. Many Libyans came out to protest against the attack on our consulate. We have boots on the ground and drones in the sky looking for possible militia camps that may have been involved including two destroyers off shore. How is that ceding ground? Do you think Romney will be able to placate Al Qaeda and going even further the Salafists? How so?
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 7:58:32am |
This isn't good.
Producer Of Anti-Islam Film Was Fed Snitch
SEPTEMBER 14--In remarks stressing that the U.S. government had “absolutely nothing to do with” the anti-Islam film that has touched off violence in the Middle East, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton yesterday sought to quash Arab concerns that the “disgusting and reprehensible” movie was somehow produced or condoned by American officials.
However, Clinton’s attempt to distance the U.S. from “Innocence of Muslims”--and, by extension, its felonious producer--may be complicated by the revelation that Nakoula Basseley Nakoula became a government informant after his 2009 arrest for bank fraud, The Smoking Gun has learned.
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NJDhockeyfan Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:03:33am |
Gotta run, have a great weekend! Off to the mall to find a present.
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:07:54am |
Current events related to the anti-Islam video notwithstanding, the revolutions and unrest that has spread through much of the Middle East in recent years was the vision of GWB and a big part of his justification for kicking over the tables in Iraq and blowing up stability and the status quo. All the mayhem and turmoil would eventually lead to freedom and peace. I think it is interesting to go back and read what W said in 2003. Seems almost prophetic now. That has been the driving force behind political upheaval in the Middle East, more so than anything Obama has or hasn't done in his term. Remarks by President George W. Bush at the 20th Anniversary of the National Endowment for Democracy
"... This is a massive and difficult undertaking -- it is worth our effort, it is worth our sacrifice, because we know the stakes. The failure of Iraqi democracy would embolden terrorists around the world, increase dangers to the American people, and extinguish the hopes of millions in the region. Iraqi democracy will succeed -- and that success will send forth the news, from Damascus to Teheran -- that freedom can be the future of every nation. (Applause.) The establishment of a free Iraq at the heart of the Middle East will be a watershed event in the global democratic revolution. (Applause.)
Sixty years of Western nations excusing and accommodating the lack of freedom in the Middle East did nothing to make us safe -- because in the long run, stability cannot be purchased at the expense of liberty. As long as the Middle East remains a place where freedom does not flourish, it will remain a place of stagnation, resentment, and violence ready for export. And with the spread of weapons that can bring catastrophic harm to our country and to our friends, it would be reckless to accept the status quo. (Applause.)
Therefore, the United States has adopted a new policy, a forward strategy of freedom in the Middle East. This strategy requires the same persistence and energy and idealism we have shown before. And it will yield the same results. As in Europe, as in Asia, as in every region of the world, the advance of freedom leads to peace. (Applause.)
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:15:39am |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
He said he'd get the Muslim world to like us. With repeated attacks on our embassies, I'm not feelin' the love.
Obama in the Middle East has been an unending string of blunders.
Yeah, because it's his fault that a bunch of anti-Muslim fanatics in this country made and deliberately distributed a film meant to enrage and insult people.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:19:43am |
Still ceding ground in the Middle East, apparently:
FBI expected to arrive in Libya today to investigate attack that killed U.S. ambassador and three other Americans. on.cnn.com/PhT6Av— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) September 15, 2012
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:24:15am |
re: #410 Lidane
Still ceding ground in the Middle East, apparently:
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Meh. I'd much rather leave this to the NSA. CIA and military intel. I much prefer drone strikes to criminal investigations and arrests in cases like this.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:25:06am |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
He said he'd get the Muslim world to like us. With repeated attacks on our embassies, I'm not feelin' the love.
Obama in the Middle East has been an unending string of blunders.
Hyperbole not based in any rational set of facts. The repeated set of attacks were not caused by Obama unless your worldview consists of the Spare The Smart Bomb Spoil the Brown People diplomacy.
Hanging recent events on Obama is exactly what the xenophobic haters of the film wanted to achieve. It's obviously worked, huh?
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:26:00am |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
He said he'd get the Muslim world to like us
Please quote Obama saying that or anything close to it, Dark.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:29:57am |
FBI investigators put off visit to Libya until conditions in the region are safer. on.cnn.com/PhT6Av
— CNN Breaking News (@cnnbrk) September 15, 2012
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:30:09am |
Mourners angry at funeral of Yemeni anti-film protester
Sadeq al-Tuwaiti, Mohammed's uncle, accused U.S. soldiers of having killed his nephew.
"The Americans, the Marines are the ones who shot at the protesters and killed Mohammed. They were peaceful protesters and they had nothing in their hands to kill. Such a protest does not justify killing," he said.
A Reuters witness saw U.S. soldiers armed with rifles standing on a hill near the embassy, watching as protesters stormed the compound on Thursday, but did not see them fire any shots.
A U.S. embassy spokesman declined to comment.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:30:18am |
re: #402 Killgore Trout
Anti-American fury over film hits Australia; protesters clash with police
Who ever expected these people to be reasonable?
Rhetorical question I assume, based on the Futility of Communicating with Uncivilized Savages school of thought. The same could be said of the GOP.
Send in the drones and teach those [bigoted word]s to respect mah authoritah!
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Hercules Grytpype-Thynne Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:39:41am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
Meh. I'd much rather leave this to the NSA. CIA and military intel. I much prefer drone strikes to criminal investigations and arrests in cases like this.
Because drone strikes are the way to go if you're really concerned about getting people to like us.
/
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:41:05am |
Drone strikes in Libya unless there is a clear and present danger would be a big mistake at this time.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:42:12am |
Man on dog on stage.
[Link: www.valuesvotersummit.org...]
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Mich-again Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:43:30am |
re: #411 Killgore Trout
Meh. I'd much rather leave this to the NSA. CIA and military intel. I much prefer drone strikes to criminal investigations and arrests in cases like this.
Terrorize the terrorists.. I get that. Hopefully they all meet up in a "safe house" soon to increase the target density.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:43:50am |
Blaming Obama for what the Middle East looks like now. Republicans, of course, had nothing to do with that.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:44:21am |
Santorum railing about coddling and appeasing. DARPAtastic.
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Mattand Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:45:15am |
OT: a quick note to the the stalker blog.
Thanks, but no thanks. What you do is a gigantic distortion of reality, and an unhealthy obsession to boot. You should direct all that energy into something worthwhile, like helping the homeless.
Seriously; let it go.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:46:34am |
re: #423 Mocking Jay
Blaming Obama for what the Middle East looks like now. Republicans, of course, had nothing to do with that.
Everything was fine in the Middle East until Obama got elected. Then he apologized, and the terrorists saw our weakness so they attacked on 9/11/2001. Because it's when they think we're weak that they attack. That's why there were so many attacks on US embassies under Reagan.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:48:14am |
Santorum warning about us no longer being a republic...
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Gretchen G.Tiger Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:49:05am |
I think it's best I read the crazy shit in the morning. I don't expect anything to make sense in the morning.
How are you?
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:49:26am |
re: #428 Mocking Jay
Santorum warning about us no longer being a republic...
Next in line for the GOP nomination according to their succession patterns. Whee!
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:53:28am |
RT @bryanjfischer: Santorum at VVS: name one country where our status higher than when Obama took office. Woman in audience: "Kenya."— daveweigel (@daveweigel) September 15, 2012
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:54:26am |
Make sense, dammit!
I can't even make sense of religious beefs out there anymore: "UK Chief Rabbi calls Dawkins a “Christian atheist”" bit.ly/RUnmPC
— pourmecoffee (@pourmecoffee) September 15, 2012
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:54:54am |
¡Ajua!
New Mexico: This is how we roll. instagr.am/p/PmZgHDjFF5/— Chris Burley (@cburley) September 15, 2012
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:56:10am |
re: #434 Mocking Jay
He's trying to claim that Dawkins believes that Christianity ameliorates problems with the old testament god, and so is "christian" in his approach to the old testament. It's not true; Dawkins is just as harsh on Christianity, partially for not actually resolving the whole huggable lovable jesus/god that smites duality.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:56:35am |
At #VVS12 Santorum says the conservative movement "will never have the elite, smart people on our side." He says it like it's a good thing.— Right Wing Watch (@RightWingWatch) September 15, 2012
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:57:26am |
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:58:10am |
Santorum: Do what God has called us to do the next month and a half...
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jaunte Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:59:24am |
re: #439 Mocking Jay
Unbind the mouths of the kine that tread out the grain?
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:59:36am |
Creepy presenter guy: I loved watching Santorum's children.
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:00:09am |
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:00:25am |
re: #418 Gus
Drone strikes in Libya unless there is a clear and present danger would be a big mistake at this time.
Since it's already too dangerous for the FBI to even enter the country to begin the investigation I have no problem with drone strikes.Even if there is a criminal investigation raiding compounds full of armed fighters requires troops on the ground and there's always the possibility of more American lives lost. It's unnecessarily risky.
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jaunte Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:01:29am |
re: #442 Mocking Jay
Labor issues:
[Link: bible.cc...]
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:02:23am |
Violent Muslim riots in Australia
Looks like they they had a better showing than I expected. Maybe a couple hundred instead of the usual dozen idiots who usually show up for this sort of thing.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:02:32am |
re: #444 Mocking Jay
Christian citizenship?
How about some more Daily Muslim Violence reports to get our minds off that.
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BishopX Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:05:26am |
re: #443 Killgore Trout
I hate to post and run, but bullshit.
Drone strikes are an act of war. Using them in Libya is an act of war against Libya unless we have their permission, in which case it's an admission that Libya is a failed state.
Sending in the FBI or even american troops with government permission is not. The world is not our playground, the legal constructs of other peoples matter immensely.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:07:02am |
More video here
Police gas Sydney protesters
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:07:52am |
re: #449 BishopX
The world is not our playground, the legal constructs of other peoples matter immensely.
But America is Exceptional! The rest of the world should be thankful we're around to tell them what to do!
Why do you hate America?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:08:17am |
re: #449 BishopX
I hate to post and run, but bullshit.
Drone strikes are an act of war. Using them in Libya is an act of war against Libya unless we have their permission, in which case it's an admission that Libya is a failed state.
Sending in the FBI or even american troops with government permission is not. The world is not our playground, the legal constructs of other peoples matter immensely.
I'm sure Libya would be fine with drones, they don't want these dickheads ruining their country.
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:08:43am |
re: #396 Dark_Falcon
Dark,this isn't team sports. I've said this to you before,this stuff has direct real world consequences on real people's lives. In this case,real people are dying,making hay of this is horrible. So,let's just say that Romney gets himself elected and the GOP ends up running the House and Senate,and takes over various state and local offices,making them the majority in most of the country. Then what? What does your side "win"exactly? Tell me why and how the country is going to be better with Obama and those awful Democrats gone. Why should I help the GOP get into office? I've asked you all this before and you haven't answered,I'm curious as to why. And to blame Obama for the current turmoil abroad is just a kneejerk simplistic response,the history and politics of all this is not so simple.
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:10:14am |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
I'd respond with Edmund Burke's dictum that the only thing needed for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
And/or vote for it while rationalising to themselves that it's more important to support the team.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:10:27am |
re: #449 BishopX
I hate to post and run, but bullshit.
Drone strikes are an act of war. Using them in Libya is an act of war against Libya unless we have their permission, in which case it's an admission that Libya is a failed state.
Sending in the FBI or even american troops with government permission is not. The world is not our playground, the legal constructs of other peoples matter immensely.
The drones are already flying and the Libyan government is cooperating
Libyan Officials: US Drones Behind Airport Closure
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:10:39am |
re: #452 Killgore Trout
I'm sure Libya would be fine with drones, they don't want these dickheads ruining their country.
Because, of course, Libya doesn't have their own military and their own law enforcement and they need us to do it for them.
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:14:38am |
re: #453 A Mom Anon
Dark,this isn't team sports. I've said this to you before,this stuff has direct real world consequences on real people's lives. In this case,real people are dying,making hay of this is horrible. So,let's just say that Romney gets himself electes and the GOP ends up running the House and Senate,and takes over various state and local offices,making them the majority in most of the country. Then what? What does your side "win"exactly? Tell me why and how the country is going to be better with Obama and those awful Democrats gone. Why should I help the GOP get into office? I've asked you all this before and you haven't answered,I'm curious as to why. And to blame Obama for the current turmoil abroad is just a kneejerk simplistic response,the history and politics of all this is not so simple.
They win the chance to fundamentally alert civil rights by encoding discrimination versus gays and women and maybe religious groups if they can get away with it. We've already got a sample of the personhood agenda, and balls-to-the-wall defense of DOMA/DADT.
But don't worry, it's not like massive civil rights violations have ever taken decades to resolve./
But it's not like anyone's planning to stack the Supreme Court with activist judges that are supposed to avow that they'll nullify existing precedent to meet right-wing screw-your-civil-liberties agenda./
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:15:16am |
Santorum says on the way out that libertarians can be a "very positive" part of the party, but those voting for Johnson shld just vote Obama
— Rosie Gray (@RosieGray) September 15, 2012
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:15:39am |
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:20:12am |
Hrm.
Sudan rejects US request to send Marines to protect US embassy, state news agency says - @reuters bit.ly/NudaBk
— Breaking News (@BreakingNews) September 15, 2012
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:20:35am |
re: #458 Mocking Jay
"Really, guys, we care about your dumb shit, but vote for Romney like good little assholes and don't bug us about this freedom crap anymore."
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:22:57am |
Ryan just called Florida "the breadbasket of the South" ...phrase has Civil War origins. Florida a major supplier food to the Confederacy— Peter Hamby (@PeterHambyCNN) September 15, 2012
Well, at least Paul Ryan knows his audience.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:24:16am |
re: #458 Mocking Jay
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Those voting for Johnson should just vote for Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party. That's the party Johnson voted for four years ago. I think their policies are right in line with the Values Voters crowd.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:26:04am |
So does this mean 68% of Americans think we're on the right track?
CNN/ORC poll: 68% of Americans expect the economy to be "very good" or "somewhat good" a year from now nytimes.com/2012/09/15/opi...— Chernynkaya (@Chernynkaya) September 15, 2012
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:27:40am |
@jihadwatchrs @tuckercarlson @atlasshrugs @rezaaslan Thank you Tucker for allowing Pamela Geller to speak in defense of American freedoms!— Kevan Poe (@KevPoe) September 15, 2012
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:29:01am |
re: #465 Lidane
I just threw up in my mouth a little. What creepy fucking people.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:33:51am |
NPR discussion of free speech and censorship
What Anti-Islam Film Says About Free Speech And The 'Heckler's Veto'
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jaunte Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:34:05am |
re: #465 Lidane
It's an exciting and profitable time for the fear industry. Jihad Watch currently running this ad: Image: Screen_Shot_2012-09-15_at_11.32.41_AM.png
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:34:15am |
re: #466 A Mom Anon
I just threw up in my mouth a little. What creepy fucking people.
DARPAtavists, the lot of them.
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Mattand Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:38:20am |
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:38:55am |
I used to deny this, but as my phone's an Android and my laptop is a Mac, I can see that indeed, the world isn't as WinTel as it used to be...
Image: chart-of-the-day-personal-computing-platforms-september-2012.jpg
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:40:14am |
Yeah, Rick...you'll just have elite dumb people...
RT @rosiegray Santorum: "We will never have media on our side, ever, in this country. We will never have elite, smart people on our side."— Garance Franke-Ruta (@thegarance) September 15, 2012
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:41:19am |
In other vertebrate news, my sister-in-law is co-author of a recently published paper that describes how frogs can survive the chytrid fungus with the help of certain bacteria:
[...]
Individuals, populations and species of amphibians are known to vary in their susceptibility to chytridiomycosis, but the causes of this variation are not well understood [16]. Some species consist of both resistant and susceptible populations [6]. Some species maintain remnant populations that persist in the presence of Bd [17], [18], whereas others are known to be infected but show no signs of chytridiomycosis [5], [19]. The allegedly well developed immune system of amphibians, which shows both adaptive and innate responses [7], is probably involved on the resistance to infection [20], [21]. Amphibians may also benefit from symbiotic microbiota present on their skin that function as a barrier against pathogens, including Bd, which specifically targets amphibian skin [22], [23], [24]. Previous work has demonstrated that bacterial isolates from the skin of certain species of amphibians exhibit strong antifungal activity against Mariannaea sp. [25] and Bd [22], [26]. For example, the bacteria Janthinobacterium lividum and Lysobacter gummosus, produce the antimicrobial peptides violacein and 2,4-diacetylphloroglucinol respectively, which inhibit Bd growth in vitro [27], [28]. Thus, variation in the cutaneous microbial community of amphibian skin may be a key factor in resistance to chytridiomycosis [26], [28], [29], [30].
[...]
I'm so proud. She's really at the leading edge of this research.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:44:10am |
re: #472 darthstar
Yeah, Rick...you'll just have elite dumb people...
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What do you expect from the guy who thought that the desire for all Americans to go to college made Obama a "snob"?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:45:50am |
[Link: www.sandiegozoo.org...]
ggt, look how fast he is growing!
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:48:02am |
NYT: 54% agree with statement Obama mostly "says what he believes;" 53% that Romney "says what he thinks people want to hear."— Steve Inskeep (@NPRinskeep) September 15, 2012
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:54:08am |
On Fox Geller says Obama condoning "murderous rages" by "Muslim mobs" bit.ly/RSFsHr They hosted her Friday too: bit.ly/RSEET8— Media Matters (@mmfa) September 15, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:54:10am |
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:54:14am |
Actually, it's not a bad answer when you think about it. Sorry, frothy.
RT @rosiegray Santorum: name one country where respect for US is higher than it was 3 yrs ago. Woman in the crowd calls out, "Kenya!" #VVS12— Andrew Kaczynski (@BuzzFeedAndrew) September 15, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:55:24am |
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Mocking Jay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:55:52am |
Hey, let's misdirect!
Anti-Islam Filmmaker Donated Million Dollars To Obama Campaign. I arf you not. shar.es/uYaV3
— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 15, 2012
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:58:02am |
re: #482 Mocking Jay
Hey, let's misdirect!
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Caution! Link is to Breitbart!! Danger, Will Robinson!
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:59:20am |
re: #392 Gus
I seem to remember the ME being in "ruins" for the past 2,000 years. More or less.
Not hardly. Many sections were thriving and impressive during the Middle Ages, even later.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 9:59:23am |
The mistruths and myths abt #Obama are stunning. Lady I work w/ didn't even know his mom was dead thot he kept her hidden. #Obama2012 #p2
— Obama2012 (@SteelersGurlie) September 15, 2012
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:00:37am |
re: #482 Mocking Jay
Hey, let's misdirect!
Because tenuous affiliation between the director and Obama is more damning than, you know, believing and saying exactly the same things the crazy bigoted film said.
DERP
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:00:59am |
re: #405 NJDhockeyfan
This isn't good.
Oh lord. I assume he was a snitch in regards to financial malfeasance, but that's still not going to help anything very much. Who the hell IS this guy?
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:01:18am |
So Obama is the Appeaser and Coddler in Chief, but the Anti-Islam film maker donated to his campaign?
How deep does the Logical Pretzel go?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:02:25am |
re: #409 Lidane
Yeah, because it's his fault that a bunch of anti-Muslim fanatics in this country made and deliberately distributed a film meant to enrage and insult people.
That almost certainly had jack to do with it. This was going to happen, regardless. I've never figured out why they need these films, or these cartoons, or what have you, but we wouldn't have been Ok without it. There's plenty of fish on YouTube.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:02:41am |
And the lapdog media just can't stop humping a leg of lies.
Brilliant.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:04:32am |
We went through eight years of having a self-indulgent fucking idiot for President. We're not about to do it again.
twitter.com/GOP_IMAGE/stat...— ROMNEY IMAGE (@GOP_IMAGE) September 15, 2012
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:04:58am |
re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist
That almost certainly had jack to do with it. This was going to happen, regardless. I've never figured out why they need these films, or these cartoons, or what have you, but we wouldn't have been Ok without it. There's plenty of fish on YouTube.
And it's always the anniversary of something.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:09:59am |
re: #436 Obdicut
He's trying to claim that Dawkins believes that Christianity ameliorates problems with the old testament god, and so is "christian" in his approach to the old testament. It's not true; Dawkins is just as harsh on Christianity, partially for not actually resolving the whole huggable lovable jesus/god that smites duality.
I think what he is doing is pointing out that Dawkins is echoing a longstanding Christian charge against Judaism. (A dubious one, as well, which indicates that Dawkins, bright man that he is, probably didn't come up with it through careful analysis of the text.)
Dawkins, of course, figures that if he's calling out Christianity as well, that's OK.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:10:13am |
Tell me, Amerika: Why did I not know about this until today? #nixon #watergatetranscripts #poetry twitter.com/ShitGermansSay...— Shit Germans Say (@ShitGermansSay) September 15, 2012
"I Can't Recall" #nixon #amerikanpoetry twitter.com/ShitGermansSay...— Shit Germans Say (@ShitGermansSay) September 15, 2012
"The Position" #nixon #amerikanpoetry twitter.com/ShitGermansSay...— Shit Germans Say (@ShitGermansSay) September 15, 2012
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:10:28am |
Once again showing that he really wants this job...
(Weekend work is for the little people). RT @emilyabc: Romney has no campaign events today...— roadkillrefugee (@rkref) September 15, 2012
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:12:24am |
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:14:45am |
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:16:14am |
Be less hackish, America. RT @adamserwer: Mark Steyn is an #ammotruther bit.ly/Qbug4a— Tim Murphy (@timothypmurphy) September 15, 2012
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:20:10am |
re: #499 Lidane
Steyn is a "fanboi" (to use his condescending term) of Rush Limbaugh and Geert Wilders...it would be a shock if he DIDN'T buy into every manufactured right wing talking point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:20:38am |
re: #500 bratwurst
Steyn is a "fanboi" (to use his condescending term) of Rush Limbaugh and Geert Wilders...it would be a shock if he DIDN'T buy into every manufactured right wing talking point.
I don't think he buys, he only sells.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:20:55am |
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SpaceJesus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:26:08am |
re: #495 wrenchwench
just bought one on amazon. this is perfect
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:26:32am |
Steyn = Style (completely way over by leaps and bounds) over substance.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:29:06am |
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efuseakay Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:30:06am |
Romney thinks this is actually a winning strategery?
On campaign trail, Romney ratchets ups God rhetoric
Nice headline there, CNN...
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jaunte Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:33:24am |
Jonathan Chait has a nice analysis of the embassy-attack-inspired GOP attacks:
Romney Tries to Defend Embassy Lies
Mitt Romney created his most recent campaign shitstorm by launching an attack that was, simultaneously, an absurdly disingenuous argument built upon a series of demonstrable lies. After an initial period of recrimination and lashing out at the media, Romney and his allies are insisting that he was absolutely correct all along. It is a remarkable testament to the party’s ability not just to engage in spin but create and sustain an alternate reality.
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So the proof that Obama “sympathizes” with people who attacked the U.S. embassy is that, the in the wake of the attacks, the embassy staff didn’t take down a statement attempting to preempt the attacks from its website quickly enough. Under a Romney administration, embassies under siege will update their anodyne website statements within seconds, even if they may be distracted with such tasks as not getting murdered by violent mobs.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:34:03am |
Update on the Kansas City incident yesterday: Hero in WTC bombing trial sets off bomb scare at federal building after inquiring why he's on a terrorist watch list
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The Ghost of a Flea Sat, Sep 15, 2012 10:37:37am |
re: #489 SanFranciscoZionist
That almost certainly had jack to do with it. This was going to happen, regardless. I've never figured out why they need these films, or these cartoons, or what have you, but we wouldn't have been Ok without it. There's plenty of fish on YouTube.
Cynicism. The current outrage is a counterfeit. An act of strategic violence now appears to be the product of piety rather than part of an ongoing attempt to destabilize a nation and seize power.
The long game being played is to establish themselves as the only stable legal and social support structure in the Islamic world. That means subverting foreign influence and local governance within the Islamic world (but most especially the Middle East and North Africa). Anti-Americanism is an excellent method of driving wedges in both, given our cultural hegemony and our wide-reaching foreign relations. Reciprocal anti-Islam sentiment in the US and Europe is added value, but the main objective is an easily-digestable narrative in the terrorists are doing anything other than maiming their own people and putting them in harm's way.
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:05:59am |
re: #509 Killgore Trout
Update on the Kansas City incident yesterday: Hero in WTC bombing trial sets off bomb scare at federal building after inquiring why he's on a terrorist watch list
WTF???
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:12:17am |
Galston: My "concerns" about Obama's reelection chances may be overridden by Romney's campaign being so bad.— Dana Houle (@DanaHoule) September 15, 2012
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:18:39am |
re: #512 darthstar
Like Kerry at this point in '04, Romney is on track to lose. But like Kerry, he's still very much in contention.— Ross Douthat (@DouthatNYT) September 15, 2012
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Iwouldprefernotto Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:22:57am |
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abolitionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:26:38am |
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:31:43am |
Editorial Board: Where's your foreign policy program, Mr. Romney? wapo.st/SnOJSJ— The Washington Post (@washingtonpost) September 15, 2012
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:36:58am |
Ashley thinking: "Where's my pepper spray?" Mitt thinking: "Must show human emotion." twitpic.com/aupdm2— Roger Simon (@politicoroger) September 15, 2012
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jamesfirecat Sat, Sep 15, 2012 11:46:02am |
re: #387 Dark_Falcon
He said he'd get the Muslim world to like us. With repeated attacks on our embassies, I'm not feelin' the love.
Obama in the Middle East has been an unending string of blunders.
Yeah the entire shooting Osama in the face thing was such a blunder.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:04:04pm |
re: #446 Killgore Trout
Violent Muslim riots in Australia
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Looks like they they had a better showing than I expected. Maybe a couple hundred instead of the usual dozen idiots who usually show up for this sort of thing.
How soon until we have the drones out blowing up Australian citizens?
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:26:41pm |
re: #509 Killgore Trout
Update on the Kansas City incident yesterday: Hero in WTC bombing trial sets off bomb scare at federal building after inquiring why he's on a terrorist watch list
My husband was glad his building was not evacuated as he has a shitload of work. He kind of wonders if his building should have been.
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danhenry1 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 12:26:57pm |
And all this time I was hoping we were going to really atart doing GREAT things..people in general, advancing. Curiosity, is ready to stretch its legs! NetZero, a forward looking group, is going to revolutionize all a sorts of things. There are advances in every area that we can think of, and we have all this shit going on about ancient belief systems. Jesuse, 'the Pope is in Lebanon', if that doesn't set off the wacko's and the Left Behind idiots, nothing will., especially if he is the last pope. This is Dickhead Becks idea of where things are going
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