Rachel Maddow Slams VP Candidate Paul Ryan for Appearing at Extremist conference
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:01:56pm |
Too bad Honesty isn't one of those values.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:03:49pm |
The guy who came before him is basically a con artist. Ryan fits in, as the anti-government crusader who's spent his whole life in government.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:07:03pm |
re: #2 Obdicut
The guy who came before him is basically a con artist. Ryan fits in, as the anti-government crusader who's spent his whole life in government.
Oxymorons and cognative dissonance are requirements for today's conservative movement.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:08:59pm |
Hey, doesn't this mean that Paul Ryan pals around with terrorists?
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Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:09:35pm |
If your leg tingles when Ryan speaks you better call 911. You're having a stroke.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:10:05pm |
I don't know if you saw his speech at the conference but it looks like he was reading directly from the teleprompters rather than using them to keep track of where he was. Think the teleprompter jokes need to get turned around.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:10:27pm |
re: #5 Amory Blaine
If your leg tingles when Ryan speaks you better call 911. You're having a stroke.
or you just peed your pants and your cell phone is shorting out.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:10:54pm |
re: #6 PT Barnum
I don't know if you saw his speech at the conference but it looks like he was reading directly from the teleprompters rather than using them to keep track of where he was. Think the teleprompter jokes need to get turned around.
He is a bad speaker. As phony at gets.
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Amory Blaine Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:11:37pm |
re: #7 PT Barnum
or you just peed your pants and your cell phone is shorting out.
He does run with the incontinent crowd./
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:12:25pm |
re: #8 Amory Blaine
He is a bad speaker. As phony at gets.
I see that, you see that, but to the right wing he's brilliant. Joe Biden is going to give him a serious sad during the debates. I'm hoping for tears myself.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:15:33pm |
re: #10 PT Barnum
I see that, you see that, but to the right wing he's brilliant. Joe Biden is going to give him a serious sad during the debates. I'm hoping for tears myself.
Of course these are the same people that thought Sarah Palin wiped the floor with him.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:15:59pm |
Not really all that surprising anymore. Romney's so deep in the hole at this point, his only hope is that he can shore up the "angry white man vote" and take enough of them to make up what he's lost in scaring off the minority vote as well as the female vote.
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Randall Gross Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:16:05pm |
Since the Maddow video quite a bit more information has come out, including Al Qaida taking credit for this attack through one of their aligned groups. According to their statement the attack was in retaliation for Al Libi's death.
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:17:06pm |
re: #12 Targetpractice
Not really all that surprising anymore. Romney's so deep in the hole at this point, his only hope is that he can shore up the "angry white man vote" and take enough of them to make up what he's lost in scaring off the minority vote as well as the female vote.
I'm not sure that's possible, as there aren't enough dumbshits available.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:19:29pm |
Joss Whedon speaking at Comic-Con was as big a thrill to geeks as Paul Ryan speech at Values Voters Summit was to assholes.— Frank Conniff (@FrankConniff) September 15, 2012
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:23:44pm |
re: #15 bratwurst
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I am offended by that comment, not because I'm a geek, but because I'm an asshole.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:31:28pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
I am offended by that comment, not because I'm a geek, but because I'm an asshole.
How many assholes do we have on this blog?!
//
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abolitionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:31:29pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
I am offended by that comment, not because I'm a geek, but because I'm an asshole.
Stephen Hawking envies you. /
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:32:10pm |
re: #16 PT Barnum
I am offended by that comment, not because I'm a geek, but because I'm an asshole.
I think you're offended because they stole your shtick of trying to fool a large number of people all the time and therefore they're stealing your audience and income.
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:34:05pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
How many assholes do we have on this blog?!
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If it's not into at least three figures, we're doing something wrong.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:34:13pm |
re: #20 b_sharp
More than one.
I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.
*Pulls down helmet's faceplate*
Keep posting, assholes!
//
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:35:44pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
How many assholes do we have on this blog?!
//
One with a fascination for young boys sure got exposed this week,
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:37:11pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:38:18pm |
re: #25 bratwurst
I hear ya...wish I hadn't seen what I saw.
I came on after he'd already been blocked, and was too late to see the material in question.
From the responses I saw, THAT'S OK WITH ME.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:39:15pm |
re: #10 PT Barnum
I see that, you see that, but to the right wing he's brilliant. Joe Biden is going to give him a serious sad during the debates. I'm hoping for tears myself.
I can't wait.
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PhillyPretzel Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:39:56pm |
re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist
Same here. I was buying some Benadryl on amazon and came in at the end of the ... "exposure."
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:40:13pm |
re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist
I came on after he'd already been blocked, and was too late to see the material in question.
From the responses I saw, THAT'S OK WITH ME.
That's alright, I got here just before he got nuked, but wimped out when I saw the "Warning: Explicity Content" page. The descriptions alone were enough to turn my stomach.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:41:35pm |
re: #22 Targetpractice
I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.
*Pulls down helmet's faceplate*
Keep posting, assholes!
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:41:36pm |
re: #29 Targetpractice
That's alright, I got here just before he got nuked, but wimped out when I saw the "Warning: Explicity Content" page. The descriptions alone were enough to turn my stomach.
But hey, he also had some stuff on Winston Churchill...
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:41:55pm |
re: #5 Amory Blaine
If your leg tingles when Ryan speaks you better call 911. You're having a stroke.
If your "leg" tingles for more than four hours due to listening to Paul Ryan, see your doctor immediately, as you may a Tea Party/Prayse Jaysus priapism.
If left untreated, side effects of Paul Ryan may include explosive flatulence, severe anal leakage, and death.
///
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:43:10pm |
re: #31 SanFranciscoZionist
But hey, he also had some stuff on Winston Churchill...
And Krauthammer.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:43:18pm |
re: #17 Targetpractice
How many assholes do we have on this blog?!
//
Yo!
/I knew it...I'm surrounded by assholes!
//Spaceballs
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:43:26pm |
re: #26 SanFranciscoZionist
I came on after he'd already been blocked, and was too late to see the material in question.
From the responses I saw, THAT'S OK WITH ME.
Yep. Same here. I'd been outside all afternoon doing yard work and stuff around the house, so I missed everything.
I'm honestly glad I didn't see any of it. I only had to shower to get rid of the real dirt and grime.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:44:21pm |
re: #33 Stanley Sea
And Krauthammer.
Now I'm imagining Churchill and Krauthammer showing up at this guy's door, with brass knuckles on...
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:45:44pm |
Paul Ryan sure is good looking. //
On a serious note, it's about time that someone in the MSM started exposing this freak show known as Values Voter to the American public. That the VP candidate appeared should be alarming to most normal people. That it's not really an issue for the MSM in general is also alarming since it reflects an acceptance of such wild eyes and hair brained version of Murican Christianity.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:52:04pm |
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, sneer, smirk.
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Digital Display Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:53:08pm |
The debates are going to be big time. Biden vs. Ryan will probably be the most entertaining but Obama vs. Romney will determine the next leader of the free world.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:53:13pm |
re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist
Now I'm imagining Churchill and Krauthammer showing up at this guy's door, with brass knuckles on...
How dare you associate with us!
Creepy, I think he lives in SD too. ugh
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:53:20pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, , sneer, smirk.
What about the actual points she makes?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:54:26pm |
re: #40 Digital Display
The debates are going to be big time. Biden vs. Ryan will probably be the most entertaining but Obama vs. Romney will determine the next leader of the free world.
Hoops, just called local sports bar. They said they'd have my game on for me. I'm going to venture out alone with my Rowdy Reptile tee on.
Welcome to the neighborhood Gator Girl!!
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:54:58pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, sneer, smirk.
Typical response from someone unable to refute what she said.
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Eventual Carrion Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:55:26pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, sneer, smirk.
You're mistaken. You were watching Hannity
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:56:24pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, , sneer, smirk.
It's much easier to attack the messenger than to prove or disprove the message.
Weak sauce.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:58:08pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, sneer, smirk.
If only she could adopt a RESPECTFUL tone like Rush Limbaugh!
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:58:50pm |
re: #45 RayFerd
You're mistaken. You were watching Hannity
Or Rush Limbaugh or Paul Ryan. Talk about grating voices. The worst at Values Voter has to be that fake terrorist scam artist.
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:59:19pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
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dragonath Sat, Sep 15, 2012 1:59:29pm |
I'm fairly lefty, and I don't really care for Maddow's presentation. It's not worth attacking her over it though.
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:00:12pm |
re: #51 dragonath
I'm fairly lefty, and I don't really care for Maddow's presentation. It's not worth attacking her over it though.
I hate football.
//
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:00:58pm |
re: #51 dragonath
I'm fairly lefty, and I don't really care for Maddow's presentation. It's not worth attacking her over it though.
I quite like it.
:)
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:01:26pm |
re: #49 Varek Raith
In that light, his smirk goes from being "smarmy" to "creepy." Almost Patrick Bateman "creepy."
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:01:47pm |
re: #11 PT Barnum
Of course these are the same people that thought Sarah Palin wiped the floor with him.
You mean like most people on here at that time?
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:02:40pm |
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:03:10pm |
re: #55 Winny Spencer
You mean like most people on here at that time?
Good news: there is place where you can go hang with many of those same people RIGHT NOW!
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:03:32pm |
re: #22 Targetpractice
I knew it, I'm surrounded by assholes.
*Pulls down helmet's faceplate*
Keep posting, assholes!
//
I think VV12 has already exceeded Ludicrous Speed.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:03:56pm |
re: #59 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I think VV12 has already exceed Ludicrous Speed.
They've gone to plaid!
//
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dragonath Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:03:58pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice
In that light, his smirk goes from being "smarmy" to "creepy." Almost Patrick Bateman "creepy."
It could be Winny's new avatar.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:04:09pm |
re: #54 Targetpractice
In that light, his smirk goes from being "smarmy" to "creepy." Almost Patrick Bateman "creepy."
Especially when you realize he is proud of attacking the President of the US when our ambassador was killed.
As a reprieve I re-watch Hilary's speech when the caskets came home.
Asshole, cold hearted & just plain old out of touch.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:05:29pm |
re: #55 Winny Spencer
You mean like most people on here at that time?
Hmm, looks like you weren't registered yet back then. At least not under your current nic.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:05:40pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, sneer, smirk.
Yeah, I don't get it either. The other thing with these fake pundit shows is they're all taped in the afternoon (east coast time), so they're all written the day before with minor additions in the morning. It's day old news by the time it gets on TV. With internet I don;t see why anyone would bother watching this stuff.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:07:10pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I don't get it either. The other thing with these fake pundit shows is they're all taped in the afternoon (east coast time), so they're all written the day before with minor additions in the morning. It's day old news by the time it gets on TV. With internet I don;t see why anyone would bother watching this stuff.
Because many pundits online who do well in the written medium would likely not do very well in the visual.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:07:28pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Maddow and her team do far more research than most other journalists. They are much more fair to interviewees than most shows of the nature. It's one of the high points of journalism, and it's always sad to see it get attacked by partisans who can't stand that Maddow is taking the honest position of stating her politics up front instead of pretending to be an impossibly neutral observer.
One of the reasons media is in a shit state today is because puritopians complain about the few good journalists we have.
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:07:49pm |
But hey, at least most of us don't get our OWS news from Iranian State propaganda.
XD
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:08:31pm |
Let's not talk about the Paul Ryan WRT VV. Instead! Let's talk about that uppity lesbian whose voice I hate and works for the Communistic MSNBC!!11ty
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:08:31pm |
A pretty good article...
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:08:52pm |
Well, that was fun.
Dropped a 1/2 full bottle of cocktail sauce in the kitchen and sent glass shrapnel all over. Spent 20+ minutes very carefully picking up fragments, mopping up sauce, and then vacuuming and mopping the tile just to be sure. Most heavy traffic in the apartment is there, and often in bare foot/paw.
(His Imperial Crankiness supervised part of the operation and critiqued it for not putting more food in his bowl quickly enough. :p )
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:09:38pm |
re: #60 Targetpractice
They've gone to plaid!
//
They went beyond plaid and hit paisley. Or argyle. I'm not sure which.
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:10:15pm |
re: #75 Lidane
They went beyond plaid and hit paisley. Or argyle. I'm not sure which.
Has to be paisley. Argyle is too much like argula.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:10:18pm |
re: #69 Obdicut
Maddow and her team do far more research than most other journalists. They are much more fair to interviewees than most shows of the nature. It's one of the high points of journalism, and it's always sad to see it get attacked by partisans who can't stand that Maddow is taking the honest position of stating her politics up front instead of pretending to be an impossibly neutral observer.
One of the reasons media is in a shit state today is because puritopians complain about the few good journalists we have.
You mean ... she checks her own facts???
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:11:51pm |
re: #59 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
I think VV12 has already exceed Ludicrous Speed.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:11:53pm |
re: #70 bratwurst
As if on cue, here comes our resident troll!
Better check your lease
That "resident troll" has been here over 3 years longer than you.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:13:06pm |
The funniest part is when people compare her to Glenn Beck or somesuch using the kind of logic that we learned doesn't work back in 5th grade:
Glenn Beck is a TV personality
Rachel Maddow is a TV personality,
Therefore, the shows they make are basically the same in quality and purpose.
Kind of like:
Mark Twain is an author.
Dan Brown is an author.
Therefore, the books they wrote are basically the same in quality and purpose.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:13:28pm |
re: #74 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste
Well, that was fun.
Dropped a 1/2 full bottle of cocktail sauce in the kitchen and sent glass shrapnel all over. Spent 20+ minutes very carefully picking up fragments, mopping up sauce, and then vacuuming and mopping the tile just to be sure. Most heavy traffic in the apartment is there, and often in bare foot/paw.
(His Imperial Crankiness supervised part of the operation and critiqued it for not putting more food in his bowl quickly enough. :p )
YIKES ,, be careful
Try to get the room as dark as possible (may have to wait till nighttime) and shine as narrow a beam of a flashlight as you can get slowly around. Any stray pieces of glass should reflect
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:13:39pm |
re: #80 sattv4u2
Better check your lease
That "resident troll" has been here over 3 years longer than you.
As you well know, that is no proof against trolldom.
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:14:00pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I don't get it either. The other thing with these fake pundit shows is they're all taped in the afternoon (east coast time), so they're all written the day before with minor additions in the morning. It's day old news by the time it gets on TV. With internet I don;t see why anyone would bother watching this stuff.
Lazy ad hominen argument that has nothing to with the topic at hand.
You can do better than this.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:14:19pm |
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:15:05pm |
re: #80 sattv4u2
Better check your lease
That "resident troll" has been here over 3 years longer than you.
A lot of people who posted before I registered are now banned too.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:16:17pm |
Oh for God's sake. I'm taking a nap.
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Eventual Carrion Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:16:44pm |
re: #64 Killgore Trout
Yeah, I don't get it either. The other thing with these fake pundit shows is they're all taped in the afternoon (east coast time), so they're all written the day before with minor additions in the morning. It's day old news by the time it gets on TV. With internet I don;t see why anyone would bother watching this stuff.
To get a more researched report rather than a knee jerk reaction before all the facts are in?
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:17:20pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
Yes,because what she says has no merit at all,because you find her annoying. Nice try. What about the fact that the GOP VP pick is speaking proudly at an event sponsored by people who hate the government,lie their asses off under the guise of"values" and generally promote fear and hatred? Got anything to say about that?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:17:46pm |
re: #83 sattv4u2
YIKES ,, be careful
Try to get the room as dark as possible (may have to wait till nighttime) and shine as narrow a beam of a flashlight as you can get slowly around. Any stray pieces of glass should reflect
I'll probably do that tonight just to be sure. No nuclear capability.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:18:27pm |
re: #80 sattv4u2
Better check your lease
That "resident troll" has been here over 3 years longer than you.
Seniority doesn't mean dick.
I used to have mad respect for KT back in the day and I do enjoy it when he's not having one of his little fits, but the meticulous fact-checking KT of old no longer exists.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:18:32pm |
re: #77 wrenchwench
You mean ... she checks her own facts???
Probably not. The show has a staff of writers and producers who write the scripts. She probably has some editorial input but how much I have no idea. I'd love to see how these shows are done.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:19:45pm |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
Probably not. The show has a staff of writers and producers who write the scripts. She probably has some editorial input but how much I have no idea. I'd love to see how these shows are done.
If you ever find yourself in Atlanta, I can take you to see some, from writers/ editors meetings all the way to the tapings or live shows
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William Barnett-Lewis Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:20:15pm |
re: #93 Gert Fröbe
Seniority doesn't mean dick.
I used to have mad respect for KT back in the day and I do enjoy it when he's not on one of his little fits, but the meticulous fact-checking KT of old no longer exists.
QFT.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:20:59pm |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
Probably not. The show has a staff of writers and producers who write the scripts. She probably has some editorial input but how much I have no idea. I'd love to see how these shows are done.
OK, in-house fact-checking.
That's the way journalism used to be as a rule. I think the recent spate of "fact-checkers" are actually lazy journalists who don't want to write a complete article of their own, they just want to snipe at someone else's work.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:21:16pm |
re: #90 A Mom Anon
Yes,because what she says has no merit at all,because you find her annoying. Nice try. What about the fact that the GOP VP pick is speaking proudly at an event sponsored by people who hate the government,lie their asses off under the guise of"values" and generally promote fear and hatred? Got anything to say about that?
Yeah, fake outrage.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:21:26pm |
re: #93 Gert Fröbe
Seniority doesn't mean dick
But name calling does, as long as the person being called the name is someone you now disagree with
Got it!
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:21:44pm |
I'd forgotten that Maddow won the Walter Cronkite Faith & Freedom Award.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:21:48pm |
When you go from Eisenhower to Nixon to Reagan to W. to Palin to Bachmann to Newt to Mitt, it must be difficult to believe in evolution.— LOLGOP (@LOLGOP) September 15, 2012
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:21:53pm |
I'm out too. This is getting too fucking regular.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:22:01pm |
re: #39 Winny Spencer
How anyone can watch that show is beyond me. Her perpetually ironic tone of voice is grating.
The condensed version of The Rachel Maddow show: snicker, smirk, sneer, nudge, wink, wink, snicker, sneer, smirk.
Yes, don't you just love that someone on the left is giving it back to the smarmy anti-intellectual, anti-science right?
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:22:35pm |
re: #102 Stanley Sea
I'm out too. This is getting too fucking regular.
Ditto. I'm out too. Don't need this again.
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dragonath Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:22:42pm |
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:23:56pm |
re: #94 Killgore Trout
Probably not. The show has a staff of writers and producers who write the scripts. She probably has some editorial input but how much I have no idea. I'd love to see how these shows are done.
Like any other show; you're pretty safe to assume the on-air person has considerable editorial input (or to the extent that they want it).
You're showing your bias (which is edging uncomfortably close to sexism) to imply that she doesn't have considerable input into the editorial section and to imply that she doesnt lead it.
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:24:20pm |
re: #104 Gus
We need to fact check these Values Voter idiots now? Seriously?
They'd have to deal in facts first before we could check them.
Posting YouTube videos is way more interesting:
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:24:29pm |
Feds: U.S. teen held in 'jihad' terrorist bomb attempt at Chicago bar
Adel Daoud, 18, of Hillside, was arrested late Friday when he tried to blow up what he thought was a car bomb in front of a downtown bar after undercover federal agents supplied him with fake bomb materials, prosecutors announced today.
Daoud was charged today with trying to use a weapon of mass destruction and trying to destroy a building using explosives. Daoud had come to the FBI’s attention this spring after he posted something online, and after an FBI undercover agent contacted him, he “expressed an interest in engaging in violent jihad, either in the United States or overseas,” according to a news release from the U.S. attorney’s office.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:25:57pm |
re: #99 sattv4u2
Seniority doesn't mean dickBut name calling does, as long as the person being called the name is someone you now disagree with
Got it!
Oh no, I didn't mean to give you the vapors! ///
That's some mighty strong reading comprehension fail there, satt, because you'll notice that my "doesn't mean dick" statement applied to seniority (as in how long we've each been here at LGF), not to KT himself.
But you knew that, right?
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:26:05pm |
re: #98 Winny Spencer
And Romney's comments on Libya?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:26:17pm |
re: #107 gwangung
Like any other show; you're pretty safe to assume the on-air person has considerable editorial input (or to the extent that they want it).
You're showing your bias (which is edging uncomfortably close to sexism) to imply that she doesn't have considerable input into the editorial section and to imply that she doesnt lead it.
The Fox news pundit shows are fake too. It's a tv gimmick that has nothing to do with sexism or political bias. These pundits are fake TV characters like Steven Colbert. They are just scripted TV shows, nothing more.
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Eventual Carrion Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:26:23pm |
re: #105 Gus
Ditto. I'm out too. Don't need this again.
Right, we need more jokes.
Q: Why does a gorilla have big nostrils?
a: Because he has big fingers.
Q: What is the last thing to go through a bugs mind when it hits your windshield?
A: Its ass.
When I was a kid we didn't have a sandbox, we had a quicksand box. I was an only child, eventually.
- Steven Wright
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Tigger2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:26:53pm |
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:27:04pm |
re: #98 Winny Spencer
LOL, yeah it's certainly no one's business what kind of people the VP finds worthy of his time. Again,these are people who lie their asses off,fearmonger and spread hate,but that's ok, because Rachel Maddow annoys you. Or something. Good luck with that.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:27:34pm |
re: #110 Gert Fröbe
Oh no, I didn't mean to give you the vapors! ///
That's some mighty strong reading comprehension fail there, satt, because you'll notice that my "doesn't mean dick" statement applied to seniority, not to KT himself.
But you knew that, right?
Knew it, got it and responded to it
Wouldn't have been an issue if KT, who has been here longer than anyone else I know, didn't get called a name though, huh!
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:27:52pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
I'm sure we'll hear all about it on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:28:12pm |
re: #116 sattv4u2
Knew it, got it and responded to it
Wouldn't have been an issue if KT, who has been here longer than anyone else I know, didn't get called a name though, huh!
Don't worry about, It doesn't bother me.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:28:42pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
What about the actual journalism that she does? The fact that it has a script-- in what way does that take away from the journalistic aspect?
You're missing a big step in your logic-- proving the 'nothing more' part. Sure, it's a scripted TV show. Why do you say it's 'nothing more'?
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:28:44pm |
Nick Burns, Bush 43 State Department U/S, is voting for Obama: "This week was a real defeat for the Romney campaign."politico.com/news/stories/0...— Adam Fetcher (@AdamFetcherOFA) September 15, 2012
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:29:36pm |
re: #112 Killgore Trout
The Fox news pundit shows are fake too. It's a tv gimmick that has nothing to do with sexism or political bias. These pundits are fake TV characters like Steven Colbert. They are just scripted TV shows, nothing more.
Empty criticism.
OF COURSE THEY'RE SCRIPTED. You know, that happens on all news shows. If you're standing in front of a camera by yourself, your material is scripted (or at leaste strongly outlined).
That does not make them "fake." Nor does it invalidate any points made if cogent.
Try again.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:30:21pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
Don't worry about, It doesn't bother me.
Let's test that:
KT, you are an unabashed Environmentalist!
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:30:24pm |
re: #105 Gus
Which is precisely why they do this. To derail the conversation. Ignore it and discuss the topic with those who wish to. It's hard I know(hell I just engaged Winny myself)but fuck 'em,this happens way too often and it does a disservice to those of us who are here to exchange ideas and learn something.
Besides how annoying and unfair Rachel Maddow is.
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:30:48pm |
re: #107 gwangung
Like any other show; you're pretty safe to assume the on-air person has considerable editorial input (or to the extent that they want it).
You're showing your bias (which is edging uncomfortably close to sexism) to imply that she doesn't have considerable input into the editorial section and to imply that she doesnt lead it.
Not really
I've been in the broadcast business for almost three decades now and on air talent has varying degrees of editorial input but none have final say. Even when they are listed as "Executive Producer" thats usually a title/ extra salary given to them as an honorarium rather than for control
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:31:12pm |
re: #116 sattv4u2
Knew it, got it and responded to it
Wouldn't have been an issue if KT, who has been here longer than anyone else I know, didn't get called a name though, huh!
Did I call him a name in that post?
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:31:56pm |
re: #118 Killgore Trout
Don't worry about, It doesn't bother me.
Me either, just pointing out the absurdity of it all
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:32:41pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:32:44pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:33:32pm |
re: #117 Winny Spencer
I'm sure we'll hear all about it on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.
And I'm sure we'll here from the wingnuts/FoxNews guests just how all Muslims are terrorists.
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:34:17pm |
re: #128 Winny Spencer
Even more so.
Do you believe the Marines in Cairo were forbidden to carry ammo?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:34:22pm |
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:34:44pm |
Evening Lizardim from the warm and breezy wild north country. Well, warm for a bit - next week, the temperatures are set to crash, with Monday's low being barely above freezing. I'm loving the fall temperatures. What's new among the Lizardim?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:35:40pm |
re: #119 Obdicut
What about the actual journalism that she does? The fact that it has a script-- in what way does that take away from the journalistic aspect?
You're missing a big step in your logic-- proving the 'nothing more' part. Sure, it's a scripted TV show. Why do you say it's 'nothing more'?
Think about old school news broadcasts. Tom Brokaw for example. I'm sure he had some oversight and consulted with producers and writers for his nightly broadcasts but he was basically the guy who read the script. With shows like 60 minutes those guys did have more input and control over their segments but they spent a week to put together a 15 minute segment. None of these people portrayed themselves as pundits. Today, all the shows on MSNBC and Fox are pundit shows. The hosts don't research and write an entire hour show every day. There's a staff of writters and producers who put these shows together and write the script. The Pundit characters may have some editorial input but they are just reading the script given to them. They aren't real pundits, they are news readers with a gimmick. It's a tv show.
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:35:58pm |
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:36:07pm |
re: #132 Gert Fröbe
Was that a no, satt?
You responded to my post that was responding to the post that called him a name
Do try to follow the conversation that you jump into
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:36:37pm |
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:36:40pm |
re: #124 sattv4u2
Not really
I've been in the broadcast business for almost three decades now and on air talent has varying degrees of editorial input but none have final say. Even when they are listed as "Executive Producer" thats usually a title/ extra salary given to them as an honorarium rather than for control
Hm. Did I say anything about "final say"?
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:37:02pm |
I never knew Mitt shaved his legs.
I bet you can guess what Mitt Romney plans to wear for Halloween. Here's a sneak peek: twitter.com/RafalcaRomney/...— Rafalca Romney (@RafalcaRomney) September 15, 2012
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sattv4u2 Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:37:03pm |
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:37:35pm |
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:37:54pm |
re: #139 darthstar
You're such a damn troll!
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:38:09pm |
re: #133 thedopefishlives
Evening Lizardim from the warm and breezy wild north country. Well, warm for a bit - next week, the temperatures are set to crash, with Monday's low being barely above freezing. I'm loving the fall temperatures. What's new among the Lizardim?
I'm looking for a job. Elvis is dead, Einstein is dead and I have a cold.
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:38:12pm |
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:38:25pm |
re: #109 Killgore Trout
Feds: U.S. teen held in 'jihad' terrorist bomb attempt at Chicago bar
Stop Muslim immigration: 18 yr old Muslim tries to set off car bomb. IN CHICAGO. fxn.ws/RV1i7u via @foxnews— Bryan Fischer (@BryanJFischer) September 15, 2012
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darthstar Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:39:04pm |
Okay...five minute internet break over...time to go prune the lemon tree, weed-eat the yard, and mow the lawn like I promised my wife I would...then I should be able to catch some afternoon waves.
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dragonath Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:39:16pm |
re: #117 Winny Spencer
I'm sure we'll hear all about it on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.
Why, yes:
Teen charged with trying to blow up Chicago bar - CBS
Teen Charged With Trying to Blow up Chicago Bar - ABC News
Teen charged with trying to blow up Chicago bar in 'jihad' plot -NBC News
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:39:53pm |
re: #148 dragonath
Why, yes:
Teen charged with trying to blow up Chicago bar - CBS
Teen Charged With Trying to Blow up Chicago Bar - ABC News
Teen charged with trying to blow up Chicago bar in 'jihad' plot -NBC News
Pfft. There you go offering verifiable facts. What's a wingnut to do?
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:40:09pm |
re: #147 darthstar
Okay...five minute internet break over...time to go prune the lemon tree
Is that what you kids are calling it these days?
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palomino Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:40:23pm |
re: #117 Winny Spencer
I'm sure we'll hear all about it on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.
Oh, poor conservatives, still being persecuted by the "far left" MSM.
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:40:49pm |
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:41:11pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
You completely failed to address anything I said. Yes, it's a TV show. I'm not sure why you think this is a revelation. Yes, it's produced faster than 60 minutes was. I'm perfectly happy to go along with your bullshit psychic prediction that Maddow doesn't do anything herself on her own show, even though you have no actual proof of that or reason to think she doesn't spend her time researching and writing as well. But I'm talking about the show as a whole-- it is much more well-researched than most other shows, is much more fair-- one reason it won that Cronkite award, and it is open about its political bias.
Yet you, who claim that you want the media to improve, not only crap all over it but fatuously compare it to Glenn Beck, on the basis that they're both TV shows and Maddow has a personality.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:41:27pm |
re: #144 PT Barnum
I'm looking for a job. Elvis is dead, Einstein is dead and I have a cold.
Elvis is dead?! Holy cow, where have I been for the last 35 years?!
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:41:56pm |
re: #134 Killgore Trout
Think about old school news broadcasts. Tom Brokaw for example. I'm sure he had some oversight and consulted with producers and writers for his nightly broadcasts but he was basically the guy who read the script. With shows like 60 minutes those guys did have more input and control over their segments but they spent a week to put together a 15 minute segment. None of these people portrayed themselves as pundits. Today, all the shows on MSNBC and Fox are pundit shows. The hosts don't research and write an entire hour show every day. There's a staff of writters and producers who put these shows together and write the script. The Pundit characters may have some editorial input but they are just reading the script given to them. They aren't real pundits, they are news readers with a gimmick. It's a tv show.
Again, an empty criticism.
The on air person has agency. It's their name on the show, and they are going to assemble or help assemble a team. That team is going to be consistent with their philosophy or outlook.
Your comment has nothing to do with the content of the shows.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:42:05pm |
re: #117 Winny Spencer
I'm sure we'll hear all about it on CBS, ABC, NBC, CNN and MSNBC.
Does the fact that you were immensely wrong about this make you stop and reconsider your assumptions at all?
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:42:30pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
Does the fact that you were immensely wrong about this make you stop and reconsider your assumptions at all?
No, because creeping sharia, that's why.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:42:45pm |
re: #124 sattv4u2
Not really
I've been in the broadcast business for almost three decades now and on air talent has varying degrees of editorial input but none have final say. Even when they are listed as "Executive Producer" thats usually a title/ extra salary given to them as an honorarium rather than for control
I think I started to notice it with the Glenn Beck show. The guy did four hours of radio every day plus his tv show (with rehearsals I would guess that took up 2-4 hours worth of work). He's get up on tv with a dog eared book he would claim he was reading and researching. With TV, radio he already had a full day. When did he find time to read books, write books, research his show and raise a family? It's all obvious bullshit and he didn't invent the gimmick either. Nor are the other people doing it copying him, it's just a trend in TV. .
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Lidane Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:43:22pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
Does the fact that you were immensely wrong about this make you stop and reconsider your assumptions at all?
But the lamestream media! Creeping sharia! Liberal elites! Eleventy!
Why do you hate America?
///
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Varek Raith Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:43:26pm |
re: #149 Lidane
Pfft. There you go offering verifiable facts. What's a wingnut to do?
GEOCENTRISM!11!1
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Winny Spencer Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:43:37pm |
re: #137 Varek Raith
Of course not.
Though, many on your side do.
Why is that?
I wouldn't know. I'm a true independent.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:43:53pm |
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:44:09pm |
re: #153 Obdicut
I believe he said she's a "character" on a tv show. Like Barney the Dinosaur or something.
(edit: Now I can't find it-the character statement,so if I am wrong,I stand corrected)
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Mr. Crankypants Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:44:11pm |
I'm off to take a nap and try to get over bronchitis.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:44:34pm |
re: #161 Winny Spencer
I wouldn't know. I'm a true independent.
You mean you have your head buried up your own ass rather than someone else's?
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:44:42pm |
re: #156 Obdicut
Does the fact that you were immensely wrong about this make you stop and reconsider your assumptions at all?
I'm guessing not.
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gwangung Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:44:56pm |
re: #140 sattv4u2
They don't even have 50%
Are we talking broadcast local news or are we talking longer form? I don't have the years of experience you do, but on the handful of longer form shows I've had experience with, the on-air people had considerable say as to subject matter and content.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:45:21pm |
re: #136 sattv4u2
You responded to my post that was responding to the post that called him a name
Do try to follow the conversation that you jump into
Yeah, but there was two different points: you replying to brat's "resident troll" remark about KT by throwing up the fact that KT's been here longer than him.
Then, there was my comment, which had nothing at all to do with what brat said about KT, but about what you said to brat about KT's seniority.
I replied to your post, not brat's; you clear on this now?
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:47:17pm |
Rachel Maddow, PhD from Oxford in political science, is clearly no different than Glenn Beck, promoter of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, in her approach to journalism, because her show comes on every weekday.
Yeah, that's some good logic.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:47:27pm |
re: #158 Killgore Trout
The one big difference between Glenn Beck and Rachel Maddow is that Rachel Maddow is not an insane far right John Birch Society supporter who constantly lies and distorts the truth to spread fear.
I know, that may not seem important to you, but it does to me.
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:48:19pm |
Sheez. I hope I remembered to renew the fire-resistant coating on my lizard scales.
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:48:24pm |
re: #158 Killgore Trout
I think I started to notice it with the Glenn Beck show. The guy did four hours of radio every day plus his tv show (with rehearsals I would guess that took up 2-4 hours worth of work). He's get up on tv with a dog eared book he would claim he was reading and researching. With TV, radio he already had a full day. When did he find time to read books, write books, research his show and raise a family? It's all obvious bullshit and he didn't invent the gimmick either. Nor are the other people doing it copying him, it's just a trend in TV. .
Both Glenn Beck and Maddow employ scriptwriters. Both GB and M read the script. Both are concerned with presentation and its affect on the viewers.
Are these the similarities that makes them equivalent in your mind?
The fact that the accuracy of each show's contents are on different planets means nothing to that analysis?
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:49:19pm |
Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar...while Beck and Hannity have two high school diplomas between them, but the MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY demands that they are ALL THE SAME.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:50:09pm |
re: #173 bratwurst
Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar...while Beck and Hannity have two high school diplomas between them, but the MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY demands that they are ALL THE SAME.
Maddow is one of those elite libruls, with all that book learnin' and philosophizing and shit, donchaknow...
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:50:17pm |
How many online pundits have fired their mouths off based upon bad info, then met corrected info with silence or self-serving excuses about how they wouldn't have made such comments if they'd known what they know now?
Being fast does not mean being correct.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:50:23pm |
Think about the "real" pundits out there. Let's say David Brooks, Thomas Friedman. They aren't going to waste their time reading the nightly news from a script.It would be a waste of time and talent. They probably have some staff to help but they are luck to write an article or two a week by themselves. Not an hour long newscast every day. It's just not possible.
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dragonath Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:50:35pm |
Bobby Jindal has a Rhodes Scholarship... in biochemistry! Beat that!
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:50:44pm |
re: #173 bratwurst
Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar...while Beck and Hannity have two high school diplomas between them, but the MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY demands that they are ALL THE SAME.
The thrust of the argument is that Maddow is just a talking head, her education has no input into the show.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:50:55pm |
re: #158 Killgore Trout
I think I started to notice it with the Glenn Beck show. The guy did four hours of radio every day plus his tv show (with rehearsals I would guess that took up 2-4 hours worth of work). He's get up on tv with a dog eared book he would claim he was reading and researching. With TV, radio he already had a full day. When did he find time to read books, write books, research his show and raise a family? It's all obvious bullshit and he didn't invent the gimmick either. Nor are the other people doing it copying him, it's just a trend in TV. .
This is Glenn Beck's qualifications:
Whereas Rachel Maddow has a degree in public policy from Stanford, was a Rhodes scholar and has a doctorate in politics from Oxford.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:52:27pm |
re: #170 Charles Johnson
The one big difference between Glenn Beck and Rachel Maddow is that Rachel Maddow is not an insane far right John Birch Society supporter who constantly lies and distorts the truth to spread fear.
I know, that may not seem important to you, but it does to me.
I don't think Glenn Beck is actually insane. It's his TV character. If he really believed the stuff he reads off the teleprompter he would have fled the country with an armful of Gold bars and seeds many years ago.
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bratwurst Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:52:32pm |
re: #179 goddamnedfrank
Doesn't working with a chimp entitle Glenn to some sort of honorary zoology degree?
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:53:04pm |
re: #178 b_sharp
The thrust of the argument is that Maddow is just a talking head, her education has no input into the show.
Which is a patently ridiculous fronted by someone who admits he doesn't watch her show.
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dragonath Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:53:21pm |
re: #180 Killgore Trout
I don't think Glenn Beck is actually insane. It's his TV character. If he really believed the stuff he reads off the teleprompter he would have fled the country with an armful of Gold bars and seeds many years ago.
And that makes him better...?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:53:29pm |
re: #173 bratwurst
Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar...while Beck and Hannity have two high school diplomas between them, but the MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY demands that they are ALL THE SAME.
I have little doubt that she's a very smart person. That doesn't mean she isn't playing a character on TV.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:53:51pm |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
Think about the "real" pundits out there. Let's say David Brooks, Thomas Friedman. They aren't going to waste their time reading the nightly news from a script.It would be a waste of time and talent. They probably have some staff to help but they are luck to write an article or two a week by themselves. Not an hour long newscast every day. It's just not possible.
Weren't you just on Maddow's case for commenting on day-old news? And now you're praising pundits that publish an article one or twice a week?
Make up you frakin' mind!
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Douchecanoe and Ryan Too Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:54:29pm |
re: #180 Killgore Trout
I don't think Glenn Beck is actually insane. It's his TV character. If he really believed the stuff he reads off the teleprompter he would have fled the country with an armful of Gold bars and seeds many years ago.
And Rush Limbaugh isn't a pompous windbag, it's just what he does on the radio. Look, I parroted that line for years and actually believed it. Still kinda do; I suspect he says a lot of things he doesn't genuinely mean, solely to garner ratings. But he is still a pompous windbag and a 100% Grade-A USDA Prime Asshat.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:54:54pm |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
Friedman, really? Yep, you're a ponce.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:55:12pm |
re: #176 Killgore Trout
Yeah, Murray Kempton was a shit journalist because he turned out a column per day while also editing journals and doing interviews. Fuck his legendary status and amazing insight, he wrote too damn fast and you just can't do that because Killgore said so.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, it has no bearing on reality.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:55:33pm |
re: #184 Killgore Trout
I have little doubt that she's a very smart person. That doesn't mean she isn't playing a character on TV.
If that's what you have to tell yourself so you can sleep better at night, go right ahead.
It doesn't necessarily make it correct or factual, however.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:55:47pm |
re: #184 Killgore Trout
I have little doubt that she's a very smart person. That doesn't mean she isn't playing a character on TV.
How would you know. You don't watch her show, ever.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:56:06pm |
Fuck, and all this time I've been reading Charlie Pierce, totally lost to how much of a hack he is, turning out several long posts a day!
//
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Eventual Carrion Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:56:37pm |
re: #173 bratwurst
Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar...while Beck and Hannity have two high school diplomas between them, but the MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY demands that they are ALL THE SAME.
Yep, same as the high school grad at the local bar could do just as good of a job on your appendix as a PhD in medicine.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:57:06pm |
re: #190 goddamnedfrank
How would you know. You don't watch her show, ever.
I see the clips here. I haven't watched cable news is years. It's all garbage.
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Digital Display Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:57:15pm |
re: #169 Obdicut
Rachel Maddow, PhD from Oxford in political science, is clearly no different than Glenn Beck, promoter of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, in her approach to journalism, because her show comes on every weekday.
Yeah, that's some good logic.
My Father adored Maddow..Bless his Soul.
When I told him several years ago that the GOP had left me behind and I registered as a Dem he was so excited to get me up to 'Speed'. He would call and talk and talk about Rachel's show. I politely listened to Pops but it brings a smile to my heart to this day. I watch her from time to time. She is a sharp cookie.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:57:20pm |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
I see the clips here. I haven't watched cable news is years. It's all garbage.
Yep, you're a ponce.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:57:57pm |
Hell, Kempton didn't even have a team, he had like one guy he worked with. Someone better retroactively remove that Pulitzer. Turns out they couldn't possibly have been good because you just can't do that.
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sagehen Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:58:21pm |
re: #169 Obdicut
Rachel Maddow, PhD from Oxford in political science, is clearly no different than Glenn Beck, promoter of anti-Semitic conspiracy theories, in her approach to journalism, because her show comes on every weekday.
Yeah, that's some good logic.
People pay actual money to watch Glenn Beck's show and his income is significantly higher than Rachel's. By wingnut logic, that means he's better.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 15, 2012 2:59:49pm |
re: #180 Killgore Trout
I don't think Glenn Beck is actually insane. It's his TV character. If he really believed the stuff he reads off the teleprompter he would have fled the country with an armful of Gold bars and seeds many years ago.
Let's say you're right and Glenn Beck is a total phony who doesn't believe a word of the shit he says. How is that relevant to anything? The damage is just as real whether he's play-acting or genuinely believes it.
My own opinion is that he genuinely believes most of the crap he spouts. I don't think it's possible to act that well.
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goddamnedfrank Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:00:18pm |
Poncey, ponce knows it all. Sees clips, skims articles, presents entire Christopher Hitchens videos asserting the message is exactly the opposite of the one actually argued.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:00:21pm |
re: #188 Obdicut
Yeah, Murray Kempton was a shit journalist because he turned out a column per day while also editing journals and doing interviews. Fuck his legendary status and amazing insight, he wrote too damn fast and you just can't do that because Killgore said so.
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about, it has no bearing on reality.
re: #191 Targetpractice
Fuck, and all this time I've been reading Charlie Pierce, totally lost to how much of a hack he is, turning out several long posts a day!
//
There's absolutely NO way that Charles can find the time to research his posts/stories here very well, because he has to code stuff for the site and keep it going/add new features for us, plus whatever musician work he does nowadays.
That "Rathergate" stuff? Completely bush league...
///
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:01:42pm |
re: #194 Killgore Trout
Do you have any response at all to the fact that Murray Kempton, who is absolutely legendary for the quality and accuracy of his journalism, wrote incredible amounts of material? He turned in four articles a week throughout most of his career while doing tons of other shit too-- and yet almost every single one of his columns is a journalistic gem.
Given that this is an example that contradicts your assertion, will you actually be capable of admitting error, or are you going to simply ignore inconvenient reality?
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:02:57pm |
re: #202 Obdicut
Do you have any response at all to the fact that Murray Kempton, who is absolutely legendary for the quality and accuracy of his journalism, wrote incredible amounts of material? He turned in four articles a week throughout most of his career while doing tons of other shit too-- and yet almost every single one of his columns is a journalistic gem.
Given that this is an example that contradicts your assertion, will you actually be capable of admitting error, or are you going to simply ignore inconvenient reality?
Is this a trick question?
//
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:03:52pm |
And now we are not talking about Romney's VP pick speaking at the annual Government Hating Liars and Hatemongers Conference and there's an actual conversation comparing Glenn Beck,who would piss his pants if a fact snuck up and sat down next to him and Rachel Maddow. fuck.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:04:05pm |
Now I'm trying to find Kempton's piece on the Ali-Liston fight online somewhere, because it's really the most incredible piece of journalistic writing on the intersection of race and sports I've ever seen. Of course, I don't know how long Kempton took to write it, so maybe it's actually garbage.
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jaunte Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:05:21pm |
re: #204 A Mom Anon
And now we are not talking about Romney's VP pick speaking at the annual Government Hating Liars and Hatemongers Conference
Pretty stupid move IMO, in a series of stupid moves by a stupid campaign. Who else are conservatives going to vote for? Why does the Romney campaign keep trying to win them over?
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:05:45pm |
re: #199 Charles Johnson
Let's say you're right and Glenn Beck is a total phony who doesn't believe a word of the shit he says. How is that relevant to anything? The damage is just as real whether he's play-acting or genuinely believes it.
My own opinion is that he genuinely believes most of the crap he spouts. I don't think it's possible to act that well.
I think the fake pundit gimmick is especially transparent with Beck. Yes, the damage of the stuff he says is real but he's just reading the script and cashing the checks for playing a fake TV character. He doesn't care.
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Digital Display Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:07:35pm |
Programming note: Big time College football game getting ready to start.
Florida vs. Tennessee..
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b_sharp Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:10:04pm |
re: #207 Killgore Trout
I think the fake pundit gimmick is especially transparent with Beck. Yes, the damage of the stuff he says is real but he's just reading the script and cashing the checks for playing a fake TV character. He doesn't care.
Glenn Beck isn't the issue, IMHO, everyone knows he spouts absolute garbage, whether he believes it or not. What is in contention is your ability to differentiate between the box and the contents, based on analysis of the contents. You seem to be stuck looking at the box, while the rest of us are examining the contents.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:10:20pm |
re: #207 Killgore Trout
I think the fake pundit gimmick is especially transparent with Beck. Yes, the damage of the stuff he says is real but he's just reading the script and cashing the checks for playing a fake TV character. He doesn't care.
So you think Beck must be a fake because there's no way he can be that crazy in real life, so what makes Maddow also be a "fake"? Because you don't think anybody could be that smart on TV?
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:11:56pm |
re: #210 Targetpractice
So you think Beck must be a fake because there's no way he can be that crazy in real life, so what must Maddow also be a "fake"? Because you don't think anybody could be that smart on TV?
Because Maddow's not on Their Team.
Tribalism FTL...
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:12:25pm |
Well, I can't find Kempton's article online anywhere. It's contained in this brilliant collection of his columns and essays:
Rebellions, Perversities, and Main Events.
I highly recommend it-- an amazing look at a ton of the most important people and events in US politics.
It will also help to dispel any naive notions that it's not possible to be a great journalist and also put out something substantial every day.
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Mattand Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:13:51pm |
re: #173 bratwurst
Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar...while Beck and Hannity have two high school diplomas between them, but the MAGICAL BALANCE FAIRY demands that they are ALL THE SAME.
A thousand times this.
If it isn't already, libertarians need to make the MBF their mascot, like the GOP and Dems do with the elephant and donkey, respectively.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:17:03pm |
re: #210 Targetpractice
So you think Beck must be a fake because there's no way he can be that crazy in real life, so what must Maddow also be a "fake"? Because you don't think anybody could be that smart on TV?
Because she doesn't research and write her own show. All these pundit shows are varying degrees of fake. It's a TV illusion. Even stand up comedians and radio dj's, who do moslty write their own material, will tell you they have on on stage/on air personality that it's necessarily who they are in real life. These pundit shows started with Bill Orielly (more or less) who came from a tabloid broadcaster background. The model worked (meaning it was marketable and profitable) and other people adopted the same model. He doesn't write his own shows either. It's a fake tv gimmick..
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Renaissance_Man Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:17:11pm |
re: #210 Targetpractice
So you think Beck must be a fake because there's no way he can be that crazy in real life, so what must Maddow also be a "fake"? Because you don't think anybody could be that smart on TV?
No, it's because people here like her. C'mon, we know that's all it is. Time to move on.
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:17:11pm |
Swear to fuck, the next asshole who says, "Both campaigns lie" is gonna get punched in the throat.— The Rude Pundit (@rudepundit) September 15, 2012
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:18:11pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
You really need one day to learn to make an argument rather than just repeat your assertion over and over-- especially when one of your assumptions has already been shown to be a complete lie.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:18:40pm |
re: #217 Obdicut
You really need one day to learn to make an argument rather than just repeat your assertion over and over-- especially when one of your assumptions has already been shown to be a complete lie.
Fake tv shows are fake.
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CuriousLurker Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:19:01pm |
re: #199 Charles Johnson
OT: When I'm viewing someone's profile in the Spy or in thread and click on "recent posts" I get the usual results, however when a comment is opened in its own tab like this, the "Search for" field says "user:undefined" which obviously doesn't return any results. Must've been an oversight when you were working on something as I've never had that happen before.
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Targetpractice Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:19:25pm |
re: #214 Killgore Trout
Because she doesn't research and write her own show. All these pundit shows are varying degrees of fake. It's a TV illusion. Even stand up comedians and radio dj's, who do moslty write their own material, will tell you they have on on stage/on air personality that it's necessarily who they are in real life. These pundit shows started with Bill Orielly (more or less) who came from a tabloid broadcaster background. The model worked (meaning it was marketable and profitable) and other people adopted the same model. He doesn't write his own shows either. It's a fake tv gimmick..
Show your work.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:20:45pm |
re: #217 Obdicut
You really need one day to learn to make an argument rather than just repeat your assertion over and over-- especially when one of your assumptions has already been shown to be a complete lie.
KT seems to be a believer in "repeat something long enough and it eventually might be considered the truth", especially when it's about the Other Team.
Ugghhh...
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:20:49pm |
New meme: DOJ sues Gallup after unfavorable poll ratings
This smells fishy...
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wrenchwench Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:22:20pm |
re: #219 CuriousLurker
OT: When I'm viewing someone's profile in the Spy or in thread and click on "recent posts" I get the usual results, however when a comment is opened in its own tab like this, the "Search for" field says "user:undefined" which obviously doesn't return any results. Must've been an oversight when you were working on something as I've never had that happen before.
I've seen that too.
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:24:03pm |
re: #215 Renaissance_Man
No, it's because people here like her. C'mon, we know that's all it is. Time to move on.
Satt and KT's mission for the day is complete; instead of discussing the details about Ryan speaking at VV12, they made it all about and only about Maddow and how she conducts her show.
Good job fellows!
/FML...
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JamesWI Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:24:30pm |
re: #98 Winny Spencer
Yeah, fake outrage.
Hey look, the stalker sock-puppets are following KT's script now!
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MittDoesNotCompute Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:24:37pm |
re: #225 Kronocide
Oh crap, the Maddow = Beck shit again?
Yeah, that's pretty much all KT has nowadays,
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:25:10pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
Fake tv shows are fake.
Bloggers all blog.
Gateway Pundit = LGF = Dan Reihl? Srsly? Wow, crazy crazy crazy.
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:26:14pm |
re: #218 Killgore Trout
Fake tv shows are fake.
Yeah. That's your assertion. Actually, that's not even worthy of being called an assertion.
You claimed that the speed at which the show is made shows that it's fake: That claim is obviously wrong, as shown by the journalist Murray Kempton, one of the most respected of all time, who wrote his columns and pieces quickly and yet of immensely high quality. You have refused to acknowledge this error, and are incapable of dealing with it.
You have asserted, with no proof, that Maddow has little editorial input on her show. You know this because you're psychic, apparently.
You have refused to deal with the concept that shows can be similar in format and different in quality. No clue why: this is a completely simple concept that a highly-distracted teenager could grasp while live-tweeting their latest date, but it's apparently beyond you.
You have nothing. And as always, I can't even tell if you buy your own bullshit or are just being a troll.
But remember: The side effect of playing stupid like you are, is actually looking stupid.
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Charles Johnson Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:27:46pm |
re: #219 CuriousLurker
OT: When I'm viewing someone's profile in the Spy or in thread and click on "recent posts" I get the usual results, however when a comment is opened in its own tab like this, the "Search for" field says "user:undefined" which obviously doesn't return any results. Must've been an oversight when you were working on something as I've never had that happen before.
Fixed!
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Obdicut Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:28:43pm |
re: #226 Gert Fröbe
Satt and KT's mission for the day is complete; instead of discussing the details about Ryan speaking at VV12, they made it all about and only about Maddow and how she conducts her show.
Good job fellows!
/FML...
Assuming that was the plan, it didn't really work so well. It's not like it's news that Paul Ryan, cosponsor of bills with Akin, Ayn Rand lover, and guy who wants to criminalize all abortion, is a whackjob. It doesn't take his appearance at the family values summit to show that, and it's perfectly worthwhile showing the way that the stupid MBF arguments utilized by partisans to try to attack Maddow's credibility are transparent bullshit.
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abolitionist Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:29:24pm |
re: #222 Kronocide
New meme: DOJ sues Gallup after unfavorable poll ratings
This smells fishy...
Two of his recent tweets: [Link: dailycaller.com...]
Now they're attacking the US in Australia. Where are you @BarackObama ? Are you still the president? # 5 hours ago
Col. David Hunt just said on Fox News that Hillary Clinton is to blame for the four American deaths in Libya embassy attack. # 5 hours ago
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A Mom Anon Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:29:34pm |
re: #206 jaunte
I think they believe the people are stupid and that they're just above reproach because,well,they say so.
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Ming Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:33:23pm |
re: #101 Lidane
[Embedded content]
Good one! Reagan and Eisenhower would hardly recognize today's Republican Party. Actually, Eisenhower's granddaughter gave a speech on the last day of the 2008 Democratic Convention, endorsing Barack Obama.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:34:29pm |
Notice the false equivalence covers over the fact that one side may be right and the other wrong, and you may have to choose.
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sagehen Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:36:57pm |
in the real-world-quotes box on Doonesbury today:
"Egyptians rise up to support Muhammad in front of the American Embassy."
-- Brotherhood Arabic tweet
"We're relieved none of @USEmbassyCairo staff were harmed and hope Eg relations will sustain turbulence of Tuesday's events."
-- Brotherhood English tweet
"Thanks. By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too."
-- U.S. Embassy tweet
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sagehen Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:38:34pm |
re: #235 Ming
Good one! Reagan and Eisenhower would hardly recognize today's Republican Party. Actually, Eisenhower's granddaughter gave a speech on the last day of the 2008 Democratic Convention, endorsing Barack Obama.
Barry Goldwater's granddaughter spoke for the Arizona delegates at this year's nomination roll call.
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Gus Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:48:20pm |
re: #222 Kronocide
New meme: DOJ sues Gallup after unfavorable poll ratings
This smells fishy...
Laughable Daily Caller trash from that fraud and man-child Matthew Boyle. The lawsuit was filed as U.S. ex rel. Lindley v. The Gallup Organization, Case No. 1:2009-cv-1985 in October of 2009. It was join by Justice last month. It involves the possibility of Gallup overcharging the feds by 10 million dollars. Does that boy, Matthew, think we should look the other way just because they're a polling organization? By this logic then all polling organization would be immune from government oversight just by their very nature. A couple of fake emails and a couple of Tweet don't prove anything and all he's doing is fabricating a conspiracy theory for his mentally challenged audience.
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Killgore Trout Sat, Sep 15, 2012 3:59:27pm |
re: #237 sagehen
in the real-world-quotes box on Doonesbury today:
"Egyptians rise up to support Muhammad in front of the American Embassy."
-- Brotherhood Arabic tweet"We're relieved none of @USEmbassyCairo staff were harmed and hope Eg relations will sustain turbulence of Tuesday's events."
-- Brotherhood English tweet"Thanks. By the way, have you checked out your own Arabic feeds? I hope you know we read those too."
-- U.S. Embassy tweet
The Muslim Bros didn't even try very hard to hide their support for the protests., Meanwhile
U.S. orders embassy staff to leave Tunis, Khartoum
A U.S. official told Reuters on Friday that Washington would send Marines to Sudan to improve security at the embassy, which is located outside Khartoum for security reasons.
But Sudanese Foreign Minister Ali Ahmed Karti told the state news agency SUNA, "Sudan is able to protect the diplomatic missions in Khartoum and the state is committed to protecting its guests in the diplomatic corps."
The top security body in the Khartoum region said that "the surveillance and protection of embassy, mission and foreign residential buildings has been stepped up to prevent any dangers," said the state-linked Sudanese Media Center.
Sudanese and U.S. officials said on Saturday that the Marines had already set off for Khartoum but had been called back pending further discussions with Sudan.
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Kronocide Sat, Sep 15, 2012 4:01:10pm |
False equivalence KT.
Maddow calling out the assine wingnuttery of VVS and noting that the VP candidate for the US is speaking in the same place is based in fact, not disputable.
Somehow this is comparable to Beck's obsession with Soros, and any other of his variously complex outlandish theories.
That you could equivocate between these people, shows, media programs, whatever you want to call them, it's hard to believe you can push that with a straight face.
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Kaessa Sat, Sep 15, 2012 5:09:01pm |
I watched a show on Maddow that did a lot of behind the scenes stuff on her show. She does a significant portion of the research behind the show. It's amazing how much work she puts in.
I can't find the show because I can't remember what it was or when I saw it, unfortunately.
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BeenHereAwhile Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:24:31pm |
re: #242 Kaessa
I watched a show on Maddow that did a lot of behind the scenes stuff on her show. She does a significant portion of the research behind the show. It's amazing how much work she puts in.
I can't find the show because I can't remember what it was or when I saw it, unfortunately.
Rachel Maddow: The Fresh Air Interview
March 27, 2012
"Essentially the process of working on my show is grinding your bones to dust each day an inch at a time. We work really long days, and it's really hard. Essentially the process is get in as early as you can, read as much as you can; we do a big news meeting early in the afternoon to debate and to talk about the universe of news for the day — to talk about what we're going to focus on. Once we've picked our various [topics] for the show, I've got an idea for a thesis or a series of facts to lay out for each one, and then I go and close the door and close the lights and turn into a cave-dwelling beast for as long as I can and just read and read and read, while the producers are collecting evidence and calling people and reporting. And then I confab with these brilliant, young, smart producers who work on my show, and it's a combination of us writing together, them writing something and bringing it to me, me writing. ... When 9 p.m. rolls around and it's time for my show to come on, it is a shock that it's 9 p.m., and I have to sprint to the makeup room every night with the show only 90 percent done."
[Link: m.npr.org...]
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