Mitt Romney to Millionaire Donors: 47% of Americans Are Lazy Shiftless Freeloaders

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Mother Jones has it: SECRET VIDEO: Romney Tells Millionaire Donors What He REALLY Thinks of Obama Voters.

During a private fundraiser earlier this year, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney told a small group of wealthy contributors what he truly thinks of all the voters who support President Barack Obama. He dismissed these Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, who don’t assume responsibility for their lives, and who think government should take care of them. Fielding a question from a donor about how he could triumph in November, Romney replied:

There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that’s an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax.

Romney went on: “[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

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318 comments
1 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 2:58:51pm

Can't wait to see how this gets spun.

2 jaunte  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:15:51pm

I Can Never Predict
Free verse by Willard Mitt Romney

If it looks like I'm going to win
the markets will be happy

If it looks like the president's going to win
the markets should not be terribly happy

It depends of course which markets you're talking about
which types of commodities and so forth
but my own view is that if we win
on November 6th
there will be a great deal of optimism about the future of this country

We'll see capital come back
and we'll see—without actually doing anything—
we'll actually get a boost in the economy

If the president gets re-elected
I don't know what will happen
I can– I can never predict what the markets will do.

3 researchok  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:16:06pm

What scares me most is I can't tell whether or not he actually believes it.

4 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:18:29pm

This could be incredibly damaging. It validates the worst criticisms of Romney's personality, that he's arrogant, elitist, and has contempt for those less fortunate than himself. He basically said half of the United States is composed of lazy, shiftless welfare-abusing good-for-nothings.

5 researchok  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:24:27pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

The problem is, that categorization can be applied to most politicians. Congressional approval ratings are testimony to that.

What can be exploited is Romney's poor instincts and poor judgement.

That cannot be easily explained away.

6 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:31:37pm
7 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:41:51pm

In related news, 100% of the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax wish they could make enough money to actually do so.

8 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:48:56pm

re: #7 SpaceJesus

In related news, 100% of the 47% of Americans who pay no federal income tax wish they made enough money to actually do so.

THIS!

R-Money is a rich entitled asshole. He was born on third and thinks he hit a triple. He's never struggled financially or had to live with the possibility of one mistake or instance of bad luck changing his financial future forever. Fuck him.

And fuck the GOP because he basically espoused the party's philosophy on everything. They hate and think they are better than half the country.

9 dragonfire1981  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:49:17pm

I work, I'm not on government assistance.

I don't pay income taxes. Why? I don't like owing the government money. Though I am married, I choose to have my employer withhold at the higher single rate to pretty much ensure I never have to pay up come tax time. Yes, I am in a lower bracket which helps but if I started making more money I would have no problem paying a reasonable share of that to the Government. I'm not one of these people that believes I should have an absolute right to every single penny I make.

I never get a massive tax refund, but what little I do get is always helpful.

But here's the thing, I may not pay income taxes but I do PAY TAXES.

I pay property taxes and school taxes and road taxes and sales taxes and gas taxes. There's no loopholes to get out of these. They must be paid.

And it is for that reason I will never consider myself a freeloader.

10 Major Tom  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:53:15pm

re: #2 jaunte

I Can Never Predict
Free verse by Willard Mitt Romney

I caught that too... smh. Are they trying to lose?

11 elizajane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 3:54:52pm

Every now and then, just when I start feeling sorry for Mitt Romney and thinking that maybe he has Aspergers or something, another episode comes along that reminds me of what a loathsome man he actually is.

I will not even comment on the other part of this same video where he tells his audience that he'd be doing better in the race if he'd been born in Mexico. I haven't decided if it was a birther joke, or just racist.

The man has NO idea about the greatness that is truly in the American people. I have seen no sign that he cares for, or even understands, his fellow citizens. He's lived his life too far above them.

12 blueraven  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:10:57pm

I vote to promote this page.
He is talking about half the damn country here.

13 jaunte  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:14:03pm

Charles P. Pierce is having some fun today.

To this moment, I guarantee you, Romney is probably astonished at what all the fuss is about. This is simply the way the world is. There is himself, Willard Romney, and his perfect family, and his perfect life, and there is The Help, and The Help gets drunk on the job, and prunes the shrubbery badly, and pockets the silverware, and makes off with the odd can of salmon out of the pantry. He is who he is today because his breeding and his genes and his god have arranged him to be through a serious of immutable laws against which only a fool or The Help would presume to argue. He is what his golden life has made him to be, and his golden life was only the bare minimum of that to which god and nature entitled him. To ask him to doubt any of this is to ask him to doubt gravity or the movement of the tides.
[Link: www.esquire.com...]

14 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:14:10pm

re: #9 dragonfire1981

I work, I'm not on government assistance.

I don't pay income taxes. Why? I don't like owing the government money. Though I am married, I choose to have my employer withhold at the higher single rate to pretty much ensure I never have to pay up come tax time. Yes, I am in a lower bracket which helps but if I started making more money I would have no problem paying a reasonable share of that to the Government. I'm not one of these people that believes I should have an absolute right to every single penny I make.

I never get a massive tax refund, but what little I do get is always helpful.

But here's the thing, I may not pay income taxes but I do PAY TAXES.

I pay property taxes and school taxes and road taxes and sales taxes and gas taxes. There's no loopholes to get out of these. They must be paid.

And it is for that reason I will never consider myself a freeloader.

Bingo. Romney is talking about people who pay all sorts of taxes, who work hard, and whose wages have been systematically suppressed for decades through globalization and union busting, a process which has made people like Romney obscenely wealthy. So yeah, the people who have exploited the system to drive their wealth up to levels unimagined in history ought to pay a little more in taxes so his fellow citizens can have a little security and their kids can have a chance to improve themselves. So go fuck yourself Mitt.

15 dragonath  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:20:02pm

The 47% number is based on a fallacy as well. A good chunk of that group are seniors, another bunch are working their asses off just to get by.

Sometimes I wonder if he is trying to lose on purpose. Being president means representing all, for the welfare of all. He's a candidate for special interests and single interest groups running to benefit those interests. Nothing more.

16 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:27:22pm

Coming from the guy who paid a lower tax rate than I did...

17 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:27:49pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

This could be incredibly damaging. It validates the worst criticisms of Romney's personality, that he's arrogant, elitist, and has contempt for those less fortunate than himself. He basically said half of the United States is composed of lazy, shiftless welfare-abusing good-for-nothings.

Yeah, me.

18 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:28:38pm

I'm willing to bet $10,000 that the person who recorded this was a member of the wait staff who didn't appreciate being denigrated by a rich prick while they were in the room.

Since Willard doesn't give a fuck about the working poor or even believe that they exist he never considered the possibility.

19 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:29:27pm
20 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:32:33pm
21 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:33:27pm

Well, he's really jammed himself in a corner with this one.
No room for spin.
Dumbass.

22 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:33:30pm

So wait, is he claiming that all those people who don't pay income tax vote for Obama? Is this statement even stupider than I thought?

It's like fractally stupid.

23 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:33:59pm
24 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:34:46pm
25 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:34:56pm

These are people who pay no income tax

i personally volunteer to release all of my tax returns - not just for two years but all years - so that the american people can see that i do indeed pay a considerable percentage of my income in income taxes

more than mitt

we should all just show up at mitt rallies waving copies of our tax returns: "Read My Taxes"

26 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:35:54pm

Because newsflash, a lot of those 47% of people are voting for you, Romney. They're the elderly or the West Virginians who are on unemployment or welfare or the poor people who have fallen for the Prosperity Gospel style churches and military members and lots and lots of other people.

He doesn't value their support in the least, though. In the least. They don't make enough money, and so he mocks them and stupidly and dishonestly claims they'll all vote for Obama.

What a shithead.

27 Majacita  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:39:03pm

re: #25 engineer cat

I like this idea. I pay a higher percentage than Mitt and that's every year, not just the one he cleaned up to show to us. My husband and I pay more in taxes than my Dad gets in Social Security. It always makes me feel good to know that I am contributing to taking care of him and others like him. In Mitt's eyes that makes me a sucker and unAmerican. And it makes my Dad a lazy free loader.

28 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:39:20pm
29 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:39:42pm

Now wait for the unending magical balance fairy comparisons to the "Cling to guns and religion" thing.

30 abolitionist  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:39:52pm

re: #14 aagcobb

[snip] But here's the thing, I may not pay income taxes but I do PAY TAXES. [snip]

Unless those taxes witheld from your pay are eventually refunded, you most definitely are paying income taxes.

31 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:40:27pm

re: #1 Cap'n Magic

Can't wait to see how this gets spun.

1) claim he was "taken out of context"
2) claim he didn't say it at all
3) blame "The Media" for reporting that he said it
4) claim he meant every word and is actually correct
5) assert that the Obama administration is the worst disaster the world has seen since the Battle for Stalingrad, and is also black.

Steps 1 through 5 must be performed simultaneously, by the way.

32 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:40:41pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Now wait for the unending magical balance fairy comparisons to the "Cling to guns and religion" thing.

The MBF called. She's part of the 47% now because she doesn't get paid enough for this shit.

33 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:40:52pm

The thing about the 47% bullshit is that their returns equal taxes paid because of things like capital loss write offs and the per child / mortgage & student loan interest tax credits. Is Romney coming out against those now?

34 Majacita  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:41:27pm

re: #31 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

This is Mitt's campaign. The correct answer is all of the above.

35 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:41:30pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Now wait for the unending magical balance fairy comparisons to the "Cling to guns and religion" thing.

Yep.
It's a comparison that doesn't work though.

36 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:42:19pm
37 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:42:55pm

re: #34 Majacita

This is Mitt's campaign. The correct answer is all of the above.

Or none of it. It depends on the day, and who doing the asking.

38 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:43:23pm

re: #11 elizajane

Every now and then, just when I start feeling sorry for Mitt Romney and thinking that maybe he has Aspergers or something, another episode comes along that reminds me of what a loathsome man he actually is.

I will not even comment on the other part of this same video where he tells his audience that he'd be doing better in the race if he'd been born in Mexico. I haven't decided if it was a birther joke, or just racist.

The man has NO idea about the greatness that is truly in the American people. I have seen no sign that he cares for, or even understands, his fellow citizens. He's lived his life too far above them.

Yeah, the Aspergers and sociopath theories about Mitt are fairly common.

39 blueraven  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:43:33pm

The premise that the same 47 percent who "dont pay taxes" are all Obama voters is insane.

The republicans do well with the uneducated, uniformed vote.
They do well with elderly voters
These people may not pay federal income tax but they still pay taxes!

Obama does very well with highly educated middle class.
This is insulting on so many levels.

40 simoom  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:45:29pm

re: #26 Obdicut

Because newsflash, a lot of those 47% of people are voting for you, Romney.

Yup, it's not just that his statement was offensive, it also was also incredibly stupid. There's a heck of a lot of white working class, military, elderly, etc, that are in the GOP base, that pay no net income taxes.

Unfortunately, many won't realize Romney is insulting/demeaning them as moochers, as this RW dog-whistle, where they claim half country doesn't contribute and leeches off the more productive folks, is incredibly well developed already. When these folks in the GOP base (who fit Romney's description) hear these statements, they picture 'the other' where they should be seeing themselves.

41 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:45:59pm

re: #22 Obdicut

So wait, is he claiming that all those people who don't pay income tax vote for Obama? Is this statement even stupider than I thought?

It's like fractally stupid.

Yeah, all the poor white people (who make up the majority of welfare, food stamp, etc. assistance) in this country are voting for Obama. Didn't you know that?

42 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:46:37pm
43 erik_t  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:46:37pm

I have no idea how this man presumes to run for President of the United States of America. As near as I can tell, he's never even been to the United States I live in.

44 darthstar  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:46:37pm

This lazy shiftless freeloader needs to get on the road and go home...long day of shiftless freeloading at the office.

45 Majacita  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:47:04pm

I wonder what tomorrow's tapes will say? This is Monday and that speech probably lasted a long time. How many days will this stretch out?

46 sauceruney  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:47:21pm

And those of us comprising the other 52% who aren't part of the 1%, we need to be taxed more so the 1% isn't spending any of their hard-earned investment income on the lazy, shiftless 47%

Or something like that.

47 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:47:31pm

re: #40 simoom

Unfortunately, many won't realize Romney is insulting/demeaning them as moochers, as this RW dog-whistle, where they claim half country doesn't contribute and leeches off the more productive folks, is incredibly well developed already. When these folks in the GOP base (who fit Romney's description) hear these statements, they picture 'the other' where they should be seeing themselves.

EXACTLY.

48 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:48:26pm

Michael Ian Black
We need to send in Bain to restructure Mitt Romney's campaign

how much is it worth in securitized moron instruments?

49 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:48:28pm

re: #11 elizajane

Actually my 14 year old has AS- and while he has trouble grasping the subtle nuances of certain social situations, his biggest issue with his peers is that he is stripped down honest, and many of his classmates aren't used to that. . .

50 nines09  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:48:55pm

I knew Romney was a piece of work and "out of touch". Little did I suspect he was off world. What. A. Dick.

51 elizajane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:11pm

The more you listen to this video, the more you hear the nails going into the coffin (and who knew it was possible for Mitt to drive in the nails from inside his own coffin? It's like magic!). There are several entire passages about how he inherited nothing, earned it all "the old fashioned way," and the only silver spoon he was born with is the one we all have from being born in America.
Really. I'm not making that up.

Then there's the part about how in China, young girls are just dying to work long hours in the factories. And things would be a lot better here too if we weren't unionized.

And did we get to the part where he has campaign advisers who've been working for Bibi Netanyahu?

This is truly the campaign that was marinated inside the Fox bubble. They have been trying to hide this, which is why the campaign has until now seemed to have no message at all. Well, now it's got one. Congrats, Mitt!

52 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:14pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Yeah, the Aspergers and sociopath theories about Mitt are fairly common.

I don't subscribe to either one.
He's just a dick.

53 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:28pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

I do not believe either about him- the only thing wrong with him is that he lacks the coursge of his true convictions, which could be said about a lot of people, but when you are running for office, it seems harder for people to do. . .something about playing to their base, and dancing with the ones who brought them to the dance. . .

54 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:37pm

re: #40 simoom

When these folks in the GOP base (who fit Romney's description) hear these statements, they picture 'the other' where they should be seeing themselves.

Yeah. It's no wonder that Ayn Randian economics are so popular with the GOP. Nobody reads Rand and decides they need to be less of a parasite. They read it and decide that they're awesome and deserve special shit and all those liberals are the moochers and looters.

It is so weird that people can't be honest with themselves like that. It's like a mass hallucination.

55 erik_t  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:47pm

I don't understand how someone can be so contemptuous of so many of the people around them. Not just feel like they're a little bit better (don't we all feel that way occasionally), but that they have always been and will always be on a completely different plane of worthiness.

Maybe I'm not rich and cloistered enough to get it.

56 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:55pm

re: #43 erik_t

I have no idea how this man presumes to run for President of the United States of America. As near as I can tell, he's never even been to the United States I live in.

truth. not enough updings for ya

57 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:50:58pm

The Freepers are ejaculating all over their keyboards right now.

Accurate assessment from Romney.

“...and in other news, water remains wet and the Sun will come up in the morning. Back to you, Biff.”

When did Mother Jones start writing campaign Ads for Romney?

Can’t disagree with anything Romney said there, except I think its more like 50 percent instead of 47 percent. Instead of saying this to private donors he needs to say this to EVERYONE because its true and this is what Obama wants, the more people reliant on Govt the more votes he will get.

He forgot the self-loathing white liberals.

Spot on. Romney told the truth - dog vs the fleas

Hopefully this is his conviction and not just blowing smoke towards the donors. Guess we will find out in October when the ad blitz hopefully starts. I am expecting some real doozies with all the ammunition Obama and democrats supply.

Romney stated absolute truth to lies and anyone can prove that EVERYTHING that Romney said about obama supporters is true. Romney left out one important fact. ALL obama SUPPORTERS ARE evil!

“He dismissed these Americans as freeloaders...”

OK, Mittens just gained a point. Didn’t think he had it in him.

Pathological.

58 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:51:27pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

I don't subscribe to either one.
He's just a dick.

"Willard's Razor".

59 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:51:44pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Yeah. It's no wonder that Ayn Randian economics are so popular with the GOP. Nobody reads Rand and decides they need to be less of a parasite. They read it and decide that they're awesome and deserve special shit and all those liberals are the moochers and looters.

It is so weird that people can't be honest with themselves like that. It's like a mass hallucination.

Funny, I read Atlas Shrugged and laughed.
Ok, I lied.
I got a quarter of the way through it.
It was tortuous.

60 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:51:59pm
61 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:52:20pm

re: #40 simoom

There's a heck of a lot of white working class, military, elderly, etc, that are in the GOP base, that pay no net income taxes.

Theoretically very comfortable people making six figures of investment income with several kids, up to two separate one million dollar mortgages and gambling losses can pay zero taxes at the end of the year. My stepdad is in the top 1% and wiped out his entire tax bill one year with capital losses. The bottom 47% of tax payers in no way corresponds to the bottom 47% of income earners.

62 jvic  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:52:26pm

I noted in the Stevens thread that Romney has said his policies are intended to help 90 to 95% of the country, and he assured the interviewer that he would fix the safety net if there were holes in it.

I'll go out on a limb and guess that somebody just might juxtapose that interview and the 47% video.

63 Ming  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:05pm

Think about Romney's statement, “[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.” He's saying that 47% of all Americans are so committed to being evil parasites, that a good person like him will never be able to convince them to stop being evil, and start being good. They are, quite simply, evil, bad, crummy human beings. And the virtuous Mitt Romney is tired of supporting them, and tired of their lack of gratitude.

Talk about "the vision thing"! This has got to be one of the most negative visions of America I've ever heard.

64 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:20pm

re: #54 Obdicut

Yeah. It's no wonder that Ayn Randian economics are so popular with the GOP. Nobody reads Rand and decides they need to be less of a parasite. They read it and decide that they're awesome and deserve special shit and all those liberals are the moochers and looters.

It is so weird that people can't be honest with themselves like that. It's like a mass hallucination.

And then there are those people who read it and are inspired to go into public service... which is like being inspired by a Tom Clancy novel to become a hippie luddite....

65 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:21pm

re: #57 celticdragon

The Freepers are ejaculating all over their keyboards right now.

Pathological.

Just like Mittens' reaction to the embassy attacks. They are all convinced that this is somehow a good thing for him to say. His spiraling numbers in the polls and markets aren't going to convince them otherwise.

66 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:38pm
67 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:47pm

re: #59 Varek Raith

I'd really love to meet the person that read it, and thought it was good, and immediately set out to improve themselves without lecturing other people. Someone who just actually made something of themselves. But it's really not an internal philosophy, it's all about how other people suck and will try to drag you down and you have to fight them you can't possibly co-exist with anyone who deviates from your absolutist philosophy.


The modern GOP is worse than Ayn Rand. It's Ayn Randian principles of contempt for the needy combined with a big syrupy dose of religious extremism. At least Rand wasn't a theocrat.

68 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:49pm

re: #52 Varek Raith

I don't subscribe to either one.
He's just a dick.

I really think he might fail the Voight-Kampff test if he tried to take it. Empathy is certainly not his strong point.

69 erik_t  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:53:59pm

re: #63 Ming

Talk about "the vision thing"! This has got to be one of the most negative visions of America I've ever heard.

Mitt would have loved operating a 1890s meat factory.

70 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:55:05pm

re: #40 simoom

When these folks in the GOP base (who fit Romney's description) hear these statements, they picture 'the other' where they should be seeing themselves.

Image: Voting_Republican.jpg

71 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:55:38pm

re: #26 Obdicut

Because newsflash, a lot of those 47% of people are voting for you, Romney. They're the elderly or the West Virginians who are on unemployment or welfare or the poor people who have fallen for the Prosperity Gospel style churches and military members and lots and lots of other people.

He doesn't value their support in the least, though. In the least. They don't make enough money, and so he mocks them and stupidly and dishonestly claims they'll all vote for Obama.

What a shithead.

It breaks my heart to see the way the Republican party and its religious arm have exploited the poor and desperate. Worse, they keep them poor and desperate so they are always available to exploit. The GOP and its cynical shills promise a better life through magic and deny it through the reality of their rapacious policies.

72 Belafon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:56:05pm

I have one of those I-will-yell-about-politics-at-work conservatives, who one day was saying how Democrats do not take responsibility for the things they do. I went and told him he needed to stop generalizing. Later on, he told me he was sorry, it was the Mountain Dew that had gotten him fired up.

73 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:56:36pm

re: #72 Belafon

I have one of those I-will-yell-about-politics-at-work conservatives, who one day was saying how Democrats do not take responsibility for the things they do. I went and told him he needed to stop generalizing. Later on, he told me he was sorry, it was the Mountain Dew that had gotten him fired up.

WHOOO MOUNTAIN DEW!!!!

74 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:56:47pm

re: #49 DisturbedEma

Actually my 14 year old has AS- and while he has trouble grasping the subtle nuances of certain social situations, his biggest issue with his peers is that he is stripped down honest, and many of his classmates aren't used to that. . .

We Asperger people seem to have a problem with saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.

75 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:57:12pm

re: #69 erik_t

Mitt would have loved operating a 1890s meat factory.

Or a shirtwaist factory.

76 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:57:24pm

LOL

77 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:57:39pm

I think the GOP just got so used to saying "Out of touch... elistist... arrogant" that they became confused and thought that's what they wanted in a candidate.

78 darthstar  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:58:28pm
79 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:58:50pm

re: #57 celticdragon

The Freepers are ejaculating all over their keyboards right now.

Pathological.

Many of the members of Freeper land are part of that 47%.

80 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:58:50pm

re: #29 Obdicut

Now wait for the unending magical balance fairy comparisons to the "Cling to guns and religion" thing.

DF got the ball rolling a few hours ago:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

81 darthstar  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:59:26pm

Okay...time to hit the road and listen to Ed, then pick some vegetables at our U-Pick farm share on the way home.

82 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 4:59:54pm

re: #79 Slimy Sam

Many of the members of Freeper land are part of that 47%.

They just don't want to admit it. Or they don't realize it.

83 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:00:12pm
84 erik_t  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:00:16pm

re: #80 bratwurst

DF got the ball rolling a few hours ago:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

I'm... shocked. Really. Really really.

/not really

85 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:00:38pm

re: #79 Slimy Sam

Many of the members of Freeper land are part of that 47%.

Yep. All they know is tribal hate and it blinds them to the fact that Romney will be fucking them over just as bad as their supposed "librul" enemies...but nobody likes to imagine themselves as the proverbial "useful idiots".

86 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:00:47pm
87 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:00:53pm

re: #74 Slimy Sam

We Asperger people seem to have a problem with saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.

True, but sometimes he is just saying things that one would ordinarily NOT say he has no concept of social umm untruths shall we say, for the sake of feelings, which I have come to really value over the years. I do not ask him how I look unless I want the truth:)

88 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:02:11pm

re: #81 darthstar

Okay...time to hit the road and listen to Ed, then pick some vegetables at our U-Pick farm share on the way home.

Communist.

89 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:03:19pm
90 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:03:19pm

re: #75 Gert Fröbe

Or a shirtwaist factory.

Funny you should mention a shirtwaist factory- just saw a documentary about Triangle, which included members of the owner's families, whose take on the fire was very conflicted. On the one hand they were glad their great great grandfather had survived long enough to have their children. but on the other, a shame attached to the legacy of being an owner's heir.

91 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:03:43pm
92 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:03:51pm

ANytime anyone claims both sides do it, my usual response is "How about nobody does it, and why do you feel the need to justify the fact that someone on your side is doing it?"

93 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:04:13pm
94 Destro  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:04:27pm

How dare poor people to want food and housing! How dare this "Christian" govt try and do what Jesus did and feed the multitudes....................

95 JRCMYP  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:05:11pm

re: #22 Obdicut

So wait, is he claiming that all those people who don't pay income tax vote for Obama? Is this statement even stupider than I thought?

It's like fractally stupid.

He's saying, in my opinion, "thosepeople." My first thought was a racist dog whistle. But, hey, he could have just meant "Democrats."

Whatever. Dude just tipped his hand.

What Mitt Romney doesn't get is that being President of the United States isn't being elected King. It's being elected a public servant. And since Mitt has never been a servant, he will never, ever, get it.

96 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:05:32pm

He's preaching to the choir. How many of these "job creators" actually loathe their own employees?

97 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:05:54pm

I would love to make enough to pay income taxes.
Just as the rest of us who don't would.
Sheesh.

98 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:06:03pm

re: #89 Lidane

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Oh good! He made his tweet series into a narrative.

99 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:06:33pm
100 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:07:00pm

Every day is Opposite Day at Breitbart.com!

101 Destro  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:07:00pm

re: #95 JRCMYP

Whatever. Dude just tipped his hand.

Tipped his hand and gave most of the American people the middle finger also.

102 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:07:29pm

That moron John Nolte has become the Breitbart.com DARVO specialist.

103 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:08:35pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Every day is Opposite Day at Breitbart.com!

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Halp us supply side Jesus!

104 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:09:01pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

News flash for John Nolte -- 2010 were congresional midterms, NOT a race for the White House. Moron.

I wish these idiots would explain how openly insulting half the country is a winning strategy when you're running for POTUS.

105 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:09:04pm

re: #84 erik_t

I am sorry that thread went stale- I wanted to ask DF how he would feel if he did not HAVE unemployment to allow him to stay motivated to find new work. My son, 26 years old, was a seasonal worker for 2 years, and finally managed to get hired on as a full time benefit having staff at J'Ville here in WI. Those 2 years were brutal, because he did not qualify for unemployment, and worked 3 part time jobs at once to make rent. . .but would then get full hours from May through August, feast and famine

106 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:09:36pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Every day is Opposite Day at Breitbart.com!

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They better hope the ideological debate gets sharpened. It always hurts more when you get hoisted on a dull petard.

107 bratwurst  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:10:27pm

re: #104 Lidane

News flash for John Nolte -- 2010 were congresional midterms, NOT a race for the White House. Moron.

I wish these idiots would explain how openly insulting half the country is a winning strategy when you're running for POTUS.

Well give him credit for being as recent as 2010, a lot of nitwits think this is 1980!

108 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:10:48pm

re: #87 DisturbedEma

True, but sometimes he is just saying things that one would ordinarily NOT say he has no concept of social umm untruths shall we say, for the sake of feelings, which I have come to really value over the years. I do not ask him how I look unless I want the truth:)

I didn't learn tact until my 40s.

109 JRCMYP  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:10:54pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Every day is Opposite Day at Breitbart.com!

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Wait. What? Really? He's freaking high. I'm hearing from people on FB who never post political shit about this very issue. And the tone deaf insult to Obama and the dedicated Embassy personnel who died. People are realizing he's no public servant. And I don't care how many people say that we need government to act like a business, at the end of the day, we want our elected officials to be public servants--empathetic to the needs of our country.

110 nines09  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:11:17pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson
If Romney plays this right, the leaked video could halp sharpen the ideological debate -- which we can win just like we did in 201 and wake America up to the fact Mitt Romney is a soul less sock puppet that hates half of "you people."

111 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:11:19pm

re: #106 wrenchwench

One of the redeeming quotes from the Kevin Costner Robin Hood

"Why a spoon, cousin"

"Because it is dull, it will hurt more"

112 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:11:22pm

re: #100 Charles Johnson

Every day is Opposite Day at Breitbart.com!

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Have you read his piece over on the site? I won't link to it, but here's some quotes:

Well, gasp and egads.

FACT: 47% of tax-filers in this country pay no federal income tax.

That's not 47% of Americans, mind you; that's 47% of people who file federal income taxes.

That's not only a fact, it's a crime.

Why should anyone who qualifies to file a federal tax return get away with paying zero federal income taxes? Why should 47% of tax-filers have no investment whatsoever in their government?

There are plenty of reasons this travesty has been allowed to occur, including tax credits, deductions, exemptions, the earned income tax credit, and on and on and on…. Then you have, as Romney points out, the professional victims and the freeloaders who think the rest of us owe them something.

Moreover, who's paying the bills for the 47%? Those of us who do pay federal income taxes, who are not on the dole, and who do not fit into whatever behavior-box the government created that serves up the write-off goodies.

It's an absolute disgrace that this happens, and it's unfortunate Romney would choose to bring up this issue behind closed doors instead of every freakin' day on the campaign trail.

The media is gearing up to beat Romney senseless with these videos, but if I were him, I'd make my own campaign commercial using those numbers and point out how they've increased under President FailureTeleprompter.

Yep. They've actually convinced themselves that insulting half the country is a good campaign strategy.

113 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:11:39pm
114 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:12:09pm

re: #108 Slimy Sam

I didn't learn tact until my 40s.

Interesting- I never thought of it as tact, but that is actually really accurate. Thank you for that.

115 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:12:43pm

re: #105 DisturbedEma

I am sorry that thread went stale- I wanted to ask DF how he would feel if he did not HAVE unemployment to allow him to stay motivated to find new work. My son, 26 years old, was a seasonal worker for 2 years, and finally managed to get hired on as a full time benefit having staff at J'Ville here in WI. Those 2 years were brutal, because he did not qualify for unemployment, and worked 3 part time jobs at once to make rent. . .but would then get full hours from May through August, feast and famine

Sounds like a motivated young man. Romney would call him a moocher. You know, federal taxes and all.

116 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:12:56pm

re: #112 JamesWI

Well I sure hope Romney takes this advice!

117 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:12:59pm

re: #112 JamesWI

Have you read his piece over on the site? I won't link to it, but here's some quotes:

Yep. They've actually convinced themselves that insulting half the country is a good campaign strategy.

I wonder if he stops and consider the rumors that Willard may have gotten away with carrying '08 losses into '09, zeroing out his income taxes and thus winding up in that 47%?

118 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:13:56pm

re: #115 Amory Blaine

Sounds like a motivated young man. Romney would call him a moocher. You know, federal taxes and all.

I think you're spot on.

119 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:14:16pm

Edit: Whoa, double post.

120 Digital Display  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:14:52pm

re: #105 DisturbedEma

I am sorry that thread went stale- I wanted to ask DF how he would feel if he did not HAVE unemployment to allow him to stay motivated to find new work. My son, 26 years old, was a seasonal worker for 2 years, and finally managed to get hired on as a full time benefit having staff at J'Ville here in WI. Those 2 years were brutal, because he did not qualify for unemployment, and worked 3 part time jobs at once to make rent. . .but would then get full hours from May through August, feast and famine

Awesome story of the human spirit Ema..
I think the best thing we can do here is offer our support and best wishes in finding a new job. Good Luck D_F!

121 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:16:12pm

re: #112 JamesWI

It works though. I know many poor people who are republican. They're not part of "that group". They're poor because they're being oppressed by people of color/liberals/etc./etc.

122 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:16:27pm

re: #113 Lidane

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hahahaha

123 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:17:21pm

In case anyone missed it, here's Ezra Klein's explanation of the 47%.

[...]

Part of the reason so many Americans don’t pay federal income taxes is that Republicans have passed a series of very large tax cuts that wiped out the income-tax liability for many Americans. That’s why, when you look at graphs of the percent of Americans who don’t pay income taxes, you see huge jumps after Ronald Reagan’s 1986 tax reform and George W. Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts. So whenever you hear that half of Americans don’t pay federal income taxes, remember: Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush helped build that.

[...]

RTWT.

124 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:18:02pm

If enough people see this, it will finish Willard. He's been hanging by a thread anyway, and gnawing away at that every time he opens his mouth.

125 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:18:12pm

How Jimmy Carter's Grandson Helped Leak the Secret Romney Fund-raiser Video

[Link: nymag.com...]

126 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:18:32pm

re: #120 Digital Display

I add my best wishes as well, I just wish DF appreciated how lucky he is to have that safety net when so many people do not. . .my sweet neighbor is in the same boat in a different company, and she has little ones at home.

127 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:19:21pm

If a secret video came out showing Mitt Romney advocating execution for undocumented immigrants, right wing bloggers would eagerly argue in favor of it too.

128 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:19:37pm

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

If enough people see this, it will finish Willard. He's been hanging by a thread anyway, and gnawing away at that every time he opens his mouth.

Shit, this is the stuff that campaign ad gold is made of. Run this in every market, once an hour, up until Election Day. You don't even need narration, the video itself is all you'd need.

129 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:20:23pm

re: #126 DisturbedEma

I add my best wishes as well, I just wish DF appreciated how lucky he is to have that safety net when so many people do not. . .my sweet neighbor is in the same boat in a different company, and she has little ones at home.

Its been interesting to watch DF try to justify his choice to vote for Romney, given Mitt's increasingly inept handling of the campaign.

130 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:20:36pm

re: #113 Lidane

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LOL, I miss WUB.

131 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:21:30pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

LOL, I miss WUB.

I was out for a while and apparently missed his departure. Wha happen?

132 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:21:49pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

If a secret video came out showing Mitt Romney advocating execution for undocumented immigrants, right wing bloggers would eagerly argue in favor of it too.

Gooooo team!

133 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:22:02pm

re: #129 PT Barnum

Its been interesting to watch DF try to justify his choice to vote for Romney, given Mitt's increasingly inept handling of the campaign.

Really?

I thought it had long ago become clear that DF is a "team player" regardless of if his team was what America wanted/needed right now?

134 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:22:08pm

Uh, they suddenly pulled Nolte's stupid article off the front page at Breitbart.com.

It's still here, though: [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

135 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:22:08pm

re: #121 Amory Blaine

It works though. I know many poor people who are republican. They're not part of "that group". They're poor because they're being oppressed by people of color/liberals/etc./etc.

Programs like Affirmative Action, ACORN, Food Stamps and the influx of illegal aliens keep them from getting the high paying jobs they deserve.

136 jvic  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:22:26pm

re: #112 JamesWI

Yep. They've actually convinced themselves that insulting half the country is a good campaign strategy.

It sounds like a Karl Rove strategy: win by maximizing the turnout of your base.

Election by election, such a strategy gradually alienates everybody else. The extremism involved also nibbles away the base at its boundaries with centrism. These points have escaped the Architect of the Permanent Republican Majority and his acolytes.

137 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:22:50pm

re: #129 PT Barnum

Its been interesting to watch DF try to justify his choice to vote for Romney, given Mitt's increasingly inept handling of the campaign.

What's weird is that during the debates last year he nailed Romney's fatal flaw, the fact that he stands for nothing except for his own desire to be President.

138 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:23:03pm
47% of Americans Are Lazy Shiftless Freeloaders
Charles Johnson

I wonder what percentage are the freedom lovers who don't want to pay for health insurance, even if they could, because it is a violation of their freedom to freeload.

139 Amory Blaine  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:23:21pm

re: #135 Slimy Sam

Programs like Affirmative Action, ACORN, Food Stamps and the influx of illegal aliens keep them from getting the high paying jobs they deserve.

Yes sir!! Oh! Don't forget the unions!!

140 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:23:24pm

re: #130 goddamnedfrank

LOL, I miss WUB.

me too.

141 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:23:24pm

re: #124 Shiplord Kirel

I just do not see this as being his " bitter/guns and religion" moment. Mitt is not commenting on a mindset, he is casting aspersions. The cling to guns/religion statement is being shown, these years later to be true, except that guns and religion were not the end of the clinging. It begat the current mania we are here to discuss. . .guns and religion were just the start, and Obama was, on this issue, on to something.

142 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:23:41pm

re: #127 Charles Johnson

If a secret video came out showing Mitt Romney advocating execution for undocumented immigrants, right wing bloggers would eagerly argue in favor of it too.

Romney stated absolute truth to lies and anyone can prove that EVERYTHING that Romney said about obama supporters is true. Romney left out one important fact. ALL obama SUPPORTERS ARE evil!

Stuff like this never stops being entertaining.

143 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:23:54pm

re: #131 PT Barnum

I was out for a while and apparently missed his departure. Wha happen?

Nothing I'm aware of, think he just moved on.

144 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:24:10pm

re: #128 Targetpractice

Shit, this is the stuff that campaign ad gold is made of. Run this in every market, once an hour, up until Election Day. You don't even need narration, the video itself is all you'd need.

Shit, this video is gold in two directions. You could run English language ads about the 47% comment and Spanish language ads with subtitles about Mitt's comment where he joked that if his grandfather had been born Mexican he'd have a chance at winning.

145 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:24:21pm

re: #129 PT Barnum

It is the reality of those who vote against their own interests. . .

146 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:24:57pm
147 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:25:38pm

re: #136 jvic

It sounds like a Karl Rove strategy: win by maximizing the turnout of your base.

Election by election, such a strategy gradually alienates everybody else. The extremism involved also nibbles away the base at its boundaries with centrism. These points have escaped the Architect of the Permanent Republican Majority and his acolytes.

Unpossible! Hugh Hewitt wrote a book that sez the GOP is painting the map red and making a new permanent sooperdooper majority! He created the Club fer Growth that iz doing it!

148 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:25:53pm

Winguts at Hot Air are unbothered by the Video too.
They also have an interesting interview with Salman Rushdie on the Today commenting on the new film outrage. You might be surprised by his nuance.

149 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:26:32pm

re: #141 DisturbedEma

I just do not see this as being his " bitter/guns and religion" moment. Mitt is not commenting on a mindset, he is casting aspersions. The cling to guns/religion statement is being shown, these years later to be true, except that guns and religion were not the end of the clinging. It begat the current mania we are here to discuss. . .guns and religion were just the start, and Obama was, on this issue, on to something.

I read that at first as clanging as in The president is a n-CLANG!

150 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:27:57pm
151 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:28:01pm
152 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:29:20pm

re: #90 DisturbedEma

Funny you should mention a shirtwaist factory- just saw a documentary about Triangle, which included members of the owner's families, whose take on the fire was very conflicted. On the one hand they were glad their great great grandfather had survived long enough to have their children. but on the other, a shame attached to the legacy of being an owner's heir.

I saw a BBC documentary called "Hitler's Children" which was about some of the offspring of prominent Nazi party figures. One of the people interviewed was the grandson of Rudolf Höss He spoke along very similar lines. He had what could only be called "survivor's guilt". Another man was the son of Hans Frank, who was Hitler's chief deputy in occupied Poland. He was grateful that his father had been executed before he was old enough to be poisoned by his father's ideas. Even though you know you bear no responsibility for what they did, having monsters in the family tree must be a heavy weight to carry.

153 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:30:08pm

re: #150 Lidane

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No shit, if there's nothing wrong with these comments, then he needs to be saying it out in the open. We only had it on word of mouth before that he was saying this shit behind closed doors, see his comments after the NAACP speech, now we have his ass on video.

154 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:30:52pm

re: #149 PT Barnum


I just meant that I remember how much debate there was over Obama's comment about bitter people clinging to their guns and their religion. He described a portion of his opposition in 2012, years before the fact.

155 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:31:38pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Nothing I'm aware of, think he just moved on.

At least he didn't disappear from the face of the earth internets like Oh Crap...

156 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:33:00pm

re: #152 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

Have you seen the one with the heirs of the Eugenics experiments? So powerful, shoot wish I could remember which channel it was on. . .

157 Kragar  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:33:08pm

Has Mitt come out and said those weren't the words he would have used yet?

158 kirkspencer  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:33:11pm

re: #112 JamesWI

Have you read his piece over on the site? I won't link to it, but here's some quotes:

Yep. They've actually convinced themselves that insulting half the country is a good campaign strategy.

Fricking idiots. Does he realize that a lot of benefits based on low income require you show your tax return? Does he realize that if you earned less than the deductible you have to file to get your withholding returned? If you earned more than $800 per month - $9500 per year - you are required to file.

But it's a great talking point. Who need truth when you have truthiness.

159 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:33:45pm

re: #152 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

I will have to see this, thank you for this, I had not known about it.

160 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:34:51pm
161 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:35:10pm

The debates are gonna be fucking brutal. By this point, I don't know which punch Obama's gonna use to lay Romney out for all to see: His utter lack of tact when it comes to the death of a US ambassador, his "rich prick" belief that anybody who supports Obama is doing so for "free stuff," or his inability to say anything about what his policies would be upon election because his campaign's openly admitted saying anything would actually hurt their chances.

162 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:35:26pm

re: #143 goddamnedfrank

Nothing I'm aware of, think he just moved on.

Last time I spoke to WUB via Twitter, he said he still reads LGF but doesn't have time to participate in threads, so it's probably just a busy spell. Hope he can post again before the elections!

163 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:36:35pm

re: #150 Lidane

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He actually almost did in an interview after his speech to the NAACP. Except that time he was talking about only blah people. This time he's talking about everybody. Of course the worse part is that most poor people of all races don't vote much. They figure things won't change for them either way.

Fuck you Willard.

164 Kragar  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:36:50pm

Obama’s Romney Shot: ‘I’ve Actually Done My Own Taxes’

President Obama today sharpened a personal line of attack on his Republican rival, mocking Romney’s tax proposals and renewing a charge that he is an outsourcing “pioneer.”

“I’ve actually done my own taxes,” Obama said, showing a hint of disdain for Romney at a rally in Eden Park. “I don’t know about some of these other folks, but I’ve done them, you know… So I know we can make it more simple and more fair.”

The president blasted the Romney-Ryan tax plan as slanted toward upper-income earners, increasing burdens on the middle class and growing the federal deficit. “As President Clinton pointed out, there’s one thing missing from it: arithmetic. Arithmetic,” Obama said.

“They must have skipped math class when they were in school,” he quipped of his opponents. “And whenever you ask them to explain the plan, they won’t. They won’t say how they pay for $5 trillion in new tax cuts. They can’t tell you how they’re going to pay for it. And the truth is, they can’t pay for it without raising taxes on middle-class families.”

165 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:37:29pm

And POTUS responds

166 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:38:00pm
167 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:39:00pm
168 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:40:22pm

re: #159 DisturbedEma

I will have to see this, thank you for this, I had not known about it.

You can find it on Youtube, I believe.

Edit: link.

There's another documentary of the same title that deals with the Hitler Youth, and that's not what I was talking about.

169 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:40:29pm

re: #155 wrenchwench

At least he didn't disappear from the face of the earth internets like Oh Crap...

If you have lot of time on your hands, look at the interchange between OC/SP and albusteve, and the timelines.

170 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:41:16pm

re: #160 Lidane

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Right. Obama's choice of words were poor, but he was talking about voters that the Democratic party should want to reach out to on economic issues, but had been losing on cultural issues. The embitterment he referred to was about these people getting screwed economically over many decades. His message wasn't screw those people, but that Democrats needed a better message to overcome the guns and religion stuff. He spoke much more artfully about it in an interview with Charlie Rose. Willard flat out says he doesn't care about low income people.

171 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:41:50pm
172 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:41:51pm

The top US trend on Twitter right now is #ItsFunnyHow. So...

173 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:44:20pm

I truly do think this might be Willard's "Dukakis Moment," that one gaffe that just can't be explained away and only gets worse as he tries.

174 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:44:33pm
175 Mattand  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:45:26pm

re: #150 Lidane

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I still can't quite figure Smerconish out. He says stuff like this, but he's still the guy who wrote a book that defended racial profiling.

I sometimes think if he's just waiting for a major Obama screw up, so he can jump and say "HA! I never trusted the guy! I knew he was no good."

176 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:45:37pm

re: #154 DisturbedEma

I know, but frankly clanging the way I posted it probably gets even closer to the reason some of the people feel the need to cling to guns and religion, that they're now being judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

177 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:45:43pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

If you have lot of time on your hands, look at the interchange between OC/SP and albusteve, and the timelines.

Well, I don't, but I can't resist a mission like that...

Any hints what I'm looking for?

178 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:46:30pm

re: #163 moderatelyradicalliberal

I have heard people say this, it's a depletion of the soul, and very sad.

179 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:46:43pm

re: #158 kirkspencer

Fricking idiots. Does he realize that a lot of benefits based on low income require you show your tax return? Does he realize that if you earned less than the deductible you have to file to get your withholding returned? If you earned more than $800 per month - $9500 per year - you are required to file.

But it's a great talking point. Who need truth when you have truthiness.

You have to file, but not disclose what you file.//

180 jaunte  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:46:53pm
181 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:47:05pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

If you have lot of time on your hands, look at the interchange between OC/SP and albusteve, and the timelines.

Good times...

182 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:47:57pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Well, I don't, but I can't resist a mission like that...

Any hints what I'm looking for?

Confederates.

183 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:48:24pm

re: #173 Targetpractice

I truly do think this might be Willard's "Dukakis Moment," that one gaffe that just can't be explained away and only gets worse as he tries.

At some point, someone will have to rank all the Romney gaffes by damage level. The Olympic insult, the $10,000 bet, the elevators for the cars, the wife's two caddys, the loan from parents to start a business: there have been so many!

184 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:49:01pm
185 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:49:12pm

re: #176 PT Barnum

I know, but frankly clanging the way I posted it probably gets even closer to the reason some of the people feel the need to cling to guns and religion, that they're now being judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

Maybe it's just my experience in Kentucky, but the implicit third item in "cling to their guns and religion" is "and the virtue of their white women."

But maybe I'm just grouchy because my state just gave Rand Paul a 53% approval rating.

186 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:49:33pm

re: #161 Targetpractice

The debates are gonna be fucking brutal. By this point, I don't know which punch Obama's gonna use to lay Romney out for all to see: His utter lack of tact when it comes to the death of a US ambassador, his "rich prick" belief that anybody who supports Obama is doing so for "free stuff," or his inability to say anything about what his policies would be upon election because his campaign's openly admitted saying anything would actually hurt their chances.

Romney has already signaled that he will claim that everything Obama says is a lie and that he may do some variation of Reagans' "There you go again!" line.

I don't think he can pull it off without looking even more obnoxious then he already is.

187 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:49:59pm

re: #177 wrenchwench

Well, I don't, but I can't resist a mission like that...

Any hints what I'm looking for?

Not sure, perhaps two internet personalities can rub each other the wrong way. OC/SP seemed very focused.

188 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:50:25pm
189 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:51:20pm

re: #183 aagcobb

For some reason Ann's "we had to eat tunafish" lament stick in my craw. . .when my husband, kids and I were eating mac and cheese and Ramen for the last 2 weeks of the month after I was laid off and he got his hours cut. . .I would have KILLED for tuna. . ok not killed, but maimed?

190 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:51:39pm

re: #186 celticdragon

Romney has already signaled that he will claim that everything Obama says is a lie and that he may do some variation of Reagans' "There you go again!" line.

I don't think he can pull it off without looking even more obnoxious then he already is.

Yeah, but the lying thing works with that base, so he's gonna let that rip. He knows he only has that base by a breath.

191 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:52:13pm

re: #187 Decatur Deb

Not sure, perhaps two internet personalities can rub each other the wrong way. OC/SP seemed very focused.

OC/SP?

192 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:52:50pm

re: #186 celticdragon

Romney has already signaled that he will claim that everything Obama says is a lie and that he may do some variation of Reagans' "There you go again!" line.

I don't think he can pull it off without looking even more obnoxious then he already is.

Reagan could pull it off because he had that charisma, that grandfatherly air that meant he sounded less like he badgering you and more like he was correcting an errant child.

Willard trying to pull that shit would come off like Greg from Animal House, arrogant and bitter.

193 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:52:59pm
194 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:53:09pm

re: #191 Slimy Sam

OC/SP?

Oh Crap, I Have a Crush on Sarah Palin.

195 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:53:31pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

I agree. . .

196 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:53:43pm

re: #185 The Ghost of a Flea

Maybe it's just my experience in Kentucky, but the implicit third item in "cling to their guns and religion" is "and the virtue of their white women."

But maybe I'm just grouchy because my state just gave Rand Paul a 53% approval rating.

I know; it will be painful to see how many of the 47% in Kentucky vote for Romney. Where are you? I live in Frankfort.

197 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:54:12pm

re: #188 Interesting Times

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Taliban says we need to stop the violence if you stop the verbal violence./

198 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:54:52pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Oh Crap, I Have a Crush on Sarah Palin.

What happened with her?

199 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:54:52pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Reagan could pull it off because he had that charisma, that grandfatherly air that meant he sounded less like he badgering you and more like he was correcting an errant child.

Willard trying to pull that shit would come off like Greg from Animal House, arrogant and bitter.

Not to mention that here is is confirming with his own words most of what the President will be accusing him of.

200 jvic  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:55:07pm

re: #147 celticdragon

Unpossible! Hugh Hewitt wrote a book that sez the GOP is painting the map red and making a new permanent sooperdooper majority! He created the Club fer Growth that iz doing it!

Rove wants to base the GOP on religious fanatics. The Club for Growth are economic fanatics. The two factions do not like each other.

For reasons I've forgotten, the Club for Growth lost credibility with me years ago, but---don't take my word for it---the name of Stephen Moore (not Hugh Hewitt) crosses my mind.

201 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:55:11pm

re: #178 DisturbedEma

I have heard people say this, it's a depletion of the soul, and very sad.

Poor people have enough problems they don't need rich assholes like R-Money talking about them this way. Being poor is not an immoral condition. I hope this makes them want to vote a tell Willard to go fuck himself.

202 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:55:24pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

It burns. . .it freezes, I was so infatuated with her non pedigree. . .then she turned out to be batshit crazy. . .DISAPPOINTED!- Otto from A Fish Called Wanda

203 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:55:27pm

re: #198 Achilles Tang

What happened with her?

Went silent.

204 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:56:20pm

re: #201 moderatelyradicalliberal

Poor people have enough problems they don't need rich assholes like R-Money talking about them this way. Being poor is not an immoral condition. I hope this makes them want to vote a tell Willard to go fuck himself.

...via the ballot box.

205 Mattand  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:57:26pm

Regarding the original topic: The next time Mitt complains about elitism, he needs to watch this video of himself.

206 nines09  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:58:09pm

re: #175 Mattand

I still can't quite figure Smerconish out. He says stuff like this, but he's still the guy who wrote a book that defended racial profiling.

I sometimes think if he's just waiting for a major Obama screw up, so he can jump and say "HA! I never trusted the guy! I knew he was no good."

Smerconish has been talking on Philly radio for years (1210AM) and my view of him from listening was a staunch right wing ideologue. Brought out talking points and callers to make the point that the GOP was correct. Always. Sat in for Rush more than a few times and did the parrot. Then I saw him on MSNBC a while back and didn't recognize what he was saying. Now I see he supported Obama in 08 and left the GOP in 2010. Surprise, surprise.

207 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:58:16pm

re: #203 Decatur Deb

Went silent.

I took a break myself, so I assumed she and steve had a mighty blow-out or something.
They were both gone when I came back. Same with FBV.

208 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 5:59:04pm

re: #201 moderatelyradicalliberal

I do too- and hopefully his "base" has pushed the crazy train so far that they will see he is not a "social conservative" but a lackey of a group of people that see them as "leeches"

209 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:00:04pm

re: #207 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I took a break myself, so I assumed she and steve had a mighty blow-out or something.
They were both gone when I came back. Same with FBV.

Think FBV announced he was taking a deliberate break for some number of months, then posted occasionally for a bit. LGF can be an addiction.

210 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:00:13pm

re: #194 Decatur Deb

Oh Crap, I Have a Crush on Sarah Palin.

How the fuck could albuSteve drive her away?

211 labman57  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:01:13pm

One striking aspect of these leaked comments is the utterly callous, non-empathetic attitude exhibited by the Romney campaign regarding the plight of the socio-economically disenfranchised sector of American society as well as the inability to relate to the economic problems facing middle class Americans -- the TRUE middle classers, not Romney's middle class earner who brings in an annual salary of $250,000.

A peek into Mitt's psyche:

"I don't worry about the problems of poor people … because there is a "safety net" … which I want to defund … because people (including single, full-time moms) who depend upon financial assistance such as food stamps lack dignity … because you must be completely self-sufficient to have self-worth … unless you inherited vast wealth ... like I did … in which case you are inherently highly dignified … because you are a person of power and authority … who gets to enjoy the sheer pleasure of firing people … which I did countless times while running Bain Capital, creating huge profits … for myself and my fellow investors … at the expense of fired workers … who, as a result, often joined the growing ranks of poor people in America … which I don't worry about."

212 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:01:19pm

re: #189 DisturbedEma

For some reason Ann's "we had to eat tunafish" lament stick in my craw. . .when my husband, kids and I were eating mac and cheese and Ramen for the last 2 weeks of the month after I was laid off and he got his hours cut. . .I would have KILLED for tuna. . ok not killed, but maimed?

And it stuck, because it was complete bullshit. They are bad cooks with stock options and a governor father. Complete bullshit.

213 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:01:21pm

re: #210 Slimy Sam

How the fuck could albuSteve drive her away?

Read the traffic. Steve wasn't doing the driving.

214 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:02:23pm

re: #190 diamonda2u

Yeah, but the lying thing works with that base, so he's gonna let that rip. He knows he only has that base by a breath.

And again, he's still fucking for the base? Thought he'd go mod after the primaries. But he can barely hold on to the freaks.

All he wants is a presidency.

215 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:02:36pm

Yep, the wingnut talking points are out. "The rich pay too much, the poor pay too little" is now officially the mantra of the Republican Party.

216 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:03:43pm

re: #212 We're All Welfare Queens Now

All I can say is when I got that first paycheck after I got called back, it was hamburgers on the grill:)

217 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:04:10pm

re: #215 JamesWI

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Yep, the wingnut talking points are out. "The rich pay too much, the poor pay too little" is now officially the mantra of the Republican Party.

Sharpening the petard!

218 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:04:36pm

re: #215 JamesWI

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Yep, the wingnut talking points are out. "The rich pay too much, the poor pay too little" is now officially the mantra of the Republican Party.

They want him to go full wingnut. You don't go full wingnut.

219 Mattand  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:04:52pm

re: #206 Blue Point Crab

Smerconish has been talking on Philly radio for years (1210AM) and my view of him from listening was a staunch right wing ideologue. Brought out talking points and callers to make the point that the GOP was correct. Always. Sat in for Rush more than a few times and did the parrot. Then I saw him on MSNBC a while back and didn't recognize what he was saying. Now I see he supported Obama in 08 and left the GOP in 2010. Surprise, surprise.

I avoid 1210 like the plague; I refer to it as Angry White Guy Radio.

I'd like to think that Smerconish is the rare conservative who realizes the GOP is off the rails and is addressing. But as you point out, even after 4 years it's still hard to believe he supports Obama, given some of his past positions.

I heard one person once speculate that he's angling for a gig on MSNBC or some other news network. Cynical? Yeah, but who knows?

220 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:05:35pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

I agree

221 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:05:35pm

re: #213 Decatur Deb

Read the traffic. Steve wasn't doing the driving.

I missed that whole thing.

I think I was gone for three or four days and when I came back Steve was gone.

222 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:06:49pm

re: #205 Mattand

Regarding the original topic: The next time Mitt complains about elitism, he needs to watch this video of himself.

I think "the help" recorded it.

Imagine being the help, serving these assholes (I've served in situations like this, and they.are.assholes. to you) He's performing in front of people he and his crew belittle. They recorded it. Hoooorah

223 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:07:09pm

re: #221 Slimy Sam

I missed that whole thing.

I think I was gone for three or four days and when I came back Steve was gone.

It's history, and not really knowable.

224 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:07:35pm

re: #169 Decatur Deb

If you have lot of time on your hands, look at the interchange between OC/SP and albusteve, and the timelines.

When did this happen?

225 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:07:38pm

re: #221 Slimy Sam

I missed that whole thing.

I think I was gone for three or four days and when I came back Steve was gone.

And the day after that he was at a stalker blog.

226 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:07:43pm

re: #196 aagcobb

I know; it will be painful to see how many of the 47% in Kentucky vote for Romney. Where are you? I live in Frankfort.

No offense intended, but I don't want to give out my location on the Internet. I'm not in an area that's very big or has many liberals, and combined with biographical information I've disclosed would make me very easy to name.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but where I live is crazy social conservative, and some of the people I have to do business with are of Pam Gellar + Tim LaHaye level intensity. I--and my mother--already get a lot of ugliness for not being Christian.

227 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:08:09pm

re: #206 Blue Point Crab

Smerconish has been talking on Philly radio for years (1210AM) and my view of him from listening was a staunch right wing ideologue. Brought out talking points and callers to make the point that the GOP was correct. Always. Sat in for Rush more than a few times and did the parrot. Then I saw him on MSNBC a while back and didn't recognize what he was saying. Now I see he supported Obama in 08 and left the GOP in 2010. Surprise, surprise.

He also got one of the first POTUS interviews. Remember? I think that was when Obama called Kanye a jackass.

Oh the gossip wins over the substance. They must HATE this.

228 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:08:32pm

re: #224 Charles Johnson

When did this happen?

Pretty much from day one, until he lost it.

229 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:08:37pm

re: #226 The Ghost of a Flea

No offense intended, but I don't want to give out my location on the Internet. I'm not in an area that's very big or has many liberals, and combined with biographical information I've disclosed would make me very easy to name.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but where I live is crazy social conservative, and some of the people I have to do business with are of Pam Gellar + Tim LaHaye level intensity. I--and my mother--already get a lot of ugliness for not being Christian.

Stay safe.

230 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:09:07pm

re: #226 The Ghost of a Flea

I get it- my kids are the only Jews in school. . .:)

231 sunnygal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:09:24pm

I just had an "aha moment". Now I know why Mitt won't show his tax returns - he obviously didn't pay any income taxes in at least one year and he would have a very difficult time explaining why he isn't one of the 47%.

And the morons will still vote for R&R, even tho' Ryan said they weren't smart and now we hear that Mitt thinks many of them are lazy, irresponsible leeches. That really goes to show you that Ryan, at least, knew what he was talking about.

232 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:10:14pm

re: #221 Slimy Sam

I missed that whole thing.

I think I was gone for three or four days and when I came back Steve was gone.

The final straw wasn't an argument with OCSP, but with Sergey, who simply asked albusteve why he behaved in such a belligerent way, and albusteve replied it made him feel good to mock whatever people posted. That was the final straw. Entirely justified decision on Charles's part, given how albu all too happily joined the genocide-approving, threat-making stalker blog.

233 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:10:45pm

David Corn: It was at the home of Mark Leiter (sp?), a private equity trader.

234 nines09  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:11:01pm

re: #219 Mattand

Exactly. 1210 wasn't always a cesspool of bad manners and worse ideas, but Smirconish could be jockying for position, or like a lot of us, just fed up with the insanity that calls itself the GOP.

235 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:11:45pm

The Romney remarks happened at Mark Leiter's Boca Raton home on May 17th of this year.

236 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:11:58pm

re: #233 Charles Johnson

David Corn: It was at the home of Mark Leiter (sp?), a private equity trader.

Among friends. Except for that damned waiter....

237 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:12:21pm

re: #236 wrenchwench

Among friends. Except for that damned waiter....

And the dog..

238 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:12:24pm

re: #218 Targetpractice

They want him to go full wingnut. You don't go full wingnut.

he is fucked.

POTUS will bring up the people in uniform who do not make enough to pay "taxes" (Mitt's dictionary version) And then, Mitt, what about your taxes?

239 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:12:50pm

re: #231 sunnygal

I just had an "aha moment". Now I know why Mitt won't show his tax returns - he obviously didn't pay any income taxes in at least one year and he would have a very difficult time explaining why he isn't one of the 47%.

And the morons will still vote for R&R, even tho' Ryan said they weren't smart and now we hear that Mitt thinks many of them are lazy, irresponsible leeches. That really goes to show you that Ryan, at least, knew what he was talking about.

...

240 The Ghost of a Flea  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:12:55pm

re: #229 celticdragon

Stay safe.

Thanks.

I don't think there's any threat of physical harm, but economic harm could be done that I really don't need.

241 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:13:13pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

The final straw wasn't an argument with OCSP, but with Sergey, who simply asked albusteve why he behaved in such a belligerent way, and albusteve replied it made him feel good to mock whatever people posted. That was the final straw. Entirely justified decision on Charles's part, given how albu all too happily joined the genocide-approving, threat-making stalker blog.

I really miss Sergey.

242 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:13:33pm

re: #238 We're All Welfare Queens Now

he is fucked.

POTUS will bring up the people in uniform who do not make enough to pay "taxes" (Mitt's dictionary version) And then, Mitt, what about your taxes?

Yeah, that was what I thinking earlier. Anybody who tried to defend this shit and still claim to "support the troops" is lying his ass off about one or both.

243 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:13:34pm
244 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:13:50pm

Whoa. This is getting deep.

245 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:14:00pm

re: #232 Interesting Times

The final straw wasn't an argument with OCSP, but with Sergey, who simply asked albusteve why he behaved in such a belligerent way, and albusteve replied it made him feel good to mock whatever people posted. That was the final straw. Entirely justified decision on Charles's part, given how albu all too happily joined the genocide-approving, threat-making stalker blog.

There's somebody I miss, Sergey.

246 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:14:14pm
247 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:14:24pm

Corn says there was an "orgy" at Leiter's house on one occasion.

248 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:14:28pm

Where a delusional hack finally starts to realize that he's been wrong all along:

249 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:14:47pm

re: #226 The Ghost of a Flea

No offense intended, but I don't want to give out my location on the Internet. I'm not in an area that's very big or has many liberals, and combined with biographical information I've disclosed would make me very easy to name.

Maybe I'm paranoid, but where I live is crazy social conservative, and some of the people I have to do business with are of Pam Gellar + Tim LaHaye level intensity. I--and my mother--already get a lot of ugliness for not being Christian.

No problem. I get to live in one of the most liberal parts of the state.

250 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:15:18pm

re: #248 JamesWI

Where a delusional hack finally starts to realize that he's been wrong all along:

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Translation: "We are so fucked."

251 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:15:31pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Corn says there was an "orgy" at Leiter's house on one occasion.

Mitt's Mormonorgy! Silk magic undies!

252 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:16:03pm

re: #242 Targetpractice

Yeah, that was what I thinking earlier. Anybody who tried to defend this shit and still claim to "support the troops" is lying his ass off about one or both.

Most soldiers, except some in lower ranks with big families, do make enough to pay federal taxes. The irony is that the one time they don't is when they are deployed to combat zones.

253 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:16:05pm

re: #237 Decatur Deb

And the dog..

Seamus is EVERYONE.

254 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:16:07pm
255 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:17:02pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Corn says there was an "orgy" at Leiter's house on one occasion.

Don't try to make us think better of Mitt.

256 nines09  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:17:19pm

re: #248 JamesWI

Where a delusional hack finally starts to realize that he's been wrong all along:

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"Before the conventions, I thought this election was a cakewalk. Now we need to work hard and not take anything for granted this year next 50 days."

257 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:17:35pm

re: #252 Decatur Deb

Most soldiers, except some in lower ranks with big families, do make enough to pay federal taxes. The irony is that the one time they don't is when they are deployed to combat zones.

Yep, if your ass has been sent overseas to fight for Uncle Sam, congrats, you're part of the "47%." Pull up a chair, we're all friends here.

258 PhillyPretzel  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:18:11pm

re: #256 Blue Point Crab

Up ding for the screen name. :)

259 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:18:12pm

Yep, David Corn just said Mitt Romney's fund-raising guy in Boca Raton also hosts orgies at his house.

Woo-hoo.

260 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:18:20pm

Seems like this isn't the first time Mitt's admitted to not really being worried about the poor...
If you make 250k / year, are you still considered poor to Mitt?
(I might as well live in a hut)

261 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:18:29pm

re: #254 JamesWI

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Romney has been working hard to be part of that extreme right, Dick.

262 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:18:50pm
263 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:19:00pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Yep, David Corn just said Mitt Romney's fund-raising guy in Boca Raton also hosts orgies at his house.

Woo-hoo.

Family Values 2012 (in my best John Stewart)

264 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:19:18pm

re: #255 Decatur Deb

Don't try to make us think better of Mitt.

The Aristocrats!

265 jaunte  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:19:51pm

Tonight's safe word: "Convertible Debenture"

266 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:21:02pm

re: #265 jaunte

Tonight's safe word: "Convertible Debenture"

Can't say that with a roll of 100s stuffed in your mouth.

267 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:21:19pm

re: #262 Lidane

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I wonder if they have an equivalent of the old KerryhatersforKerry blog?

268 Pawn of the Oppressor  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:22:10pm

re: #31 Our Precious Bodily Fluids

5) assert that the Obama administration is the worst disaster the world has seen since the Battle for Stalingrad, and is also black.

Bwahaha!

So much of the GOP platform boils down to jumping up and down, screaming "N*GGER PRESIDENT!!!! N*GGER PRESIDENT!!! N*GGER N*GGER N*GGER PRESIDENT!!!!!!!"

God, I hope Obama wins by a landslide...

269 dragonath  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:22:18pm

re: #171 Lidane

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When Halperin says you're screwed, you must be really screwed

270 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:22:56pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Yep, David Corn just said Mitt Romney's fund-raising guy in Boca Raton also hosts orgies at his house.

Woo-hoo.

First Adelson and now this.

I liked it better when the worst I had worry about was when one of the "czars" once got conned into signing a 9/11 troofer petition.

271 moderatelyradicalliberal  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:23:11pm

re: #254 JamesWI

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No shit Sherlock. Man these fuckers are slow. This was clearly Obama's strategy for two years now. Obama clearly said Voltaire's prayer and God granted i because his enemies are ridiculous.

272 freetoken  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:23:18pm

re: #247 Charles Johnson

Corn says there was an "orgy" at Leiter's house on one occasion.

Eyes Wide Shut... the documentary for tonight.

274 nines09  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:25:28pm

re: #268 Pawn of the Oppressor


I want Mitt to walk off the stage with a limp, he got beat so bad. I want to hear that "THUD" being picked up on Japanese seismic equipment in the North Pacific. That and a tear drop on Mitts cheek.

275 Achilles Tang  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:26:01pm

I can't find where I posted numbers on this who pays taxes stuff some time ago, but in the simplest terms, easily verified via Google, 50% of American household owned 1.1% (that's one point one percent Mr. Romney, in case you have a problem with digits) of the nation's wealth.

The top 10% owned 75% of the wealth.

In most so called socialist countries the percentages of wealth owned to taxes paid is comparable. Only in the USA are the numbers what they are.

Read this Mr. Romney, please.

276 Cap'n Magic  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:26:03pm

re: #259 Charles Johnson

Not surprised. After all, there's dear old Diaper Dave Vitter...

277 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:26:04pm

With all the fail and derp going on, it's nice when people use what could have been a TMZ moment for some good:

278 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:26:06pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

Do a doublecheck--two spellings of "Leder"?

280 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:26:55pm

Charles M. Blow has been out running errands or something...

281 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:27:16pm
282 steve_davis  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:27:24pm

re: #4 Charles Johnson

This could be incredibly damaging. It validates the worst criticisms of Romney's personality, that he's arrogant, elitist, and has contempt for those less fortunate than himself. He basically said half of the United States is composed of lazy, shiftless welfare-abusing good-for-nothings.

If I were with the president's campaign, I would at this moment be putting together video of those lazy, shiftless, welfare-abusing good-for-nothings, covered in coal dust still wearing their hardhats, working an assembly line somewhere, or in a sweatshop, or bussing a table--basically, pictures of those shiftless Americans who either are working themselves to death for their families, or living in desperate poverty--while all the while, Mitt Romney's voice would be playing in the background.

283 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:27:57pm
284 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:28:16pm

re: #282 steve_davis

If I were with the president's campaign, I would at this moment be putting together video of those lazy, shiftless, welfare-abusing good-for-nothings, covered in coal dust still wearing their hardhats, working an assembly line somewhere, or in a sweatshop, or bussing a table--basically, pictures of those shiftless Americans who either are working themselves to death for their families, or living in desperate poverty--while all the while, Mitt Romney's voice would be playing in the background.

Add one more to the list: Soldiers fighting in harm's way.

285 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:29:15pm
286 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:29:15pm

re: #283 Lidane

Wow! Twofer night...maybe more cool!

287 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:29:25pm

re: #284 Targetpractice

Add one more to the list: Soldiers fighting in harm's way.

Yep, since soldiers serving in combat zones don't pay taxes, IIRC. That makes them the 47%.

288 palomino  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:30:57pm

re: #275 Achilles Tang

I can't find where I posted numbers on this who pays taxes stuff some time ago, but in the simplest terms, easily verified via Google, 50% of American household owned 1.1% (that's one point one percent Mr. Romney, in case you have a problem with digits) of the nation's wealth.

The top 10% owned 75% of the wealth.

In most so called socialist countries the percentages of wealth owned to taxes paid is comparable. Only in the USA are the numbers what they are.

Read this Mr. Romney, please.

This is the key point you've elucidated. The bottom 47% pay no FEDERAL INCOME tax (as opposed to sales, gas, alcohol, tobacco, etc. taxes) for a very simple reason. They don't have the fucking money to begin with. They aren't moochers, they just don't have enough funds left over to contribute much of anything to the federal coffers.

If there's really any such thing as class warfare in America, this is it. And it comes from the right.

289 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:31:37pm

re: #282 steve_davis

Actually the ad with Mitt singing America The Beautiful caused my mom to stop in her tracks. . .she is a birther (sorry true) but still did not understand the money behind the man. I have told her how the birth thing in such a played out non issue distraction. . .hopefully she heeds it. . .

290 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:32:00pm

Daily Show should be all over this tomorrow (unless John saw this story when it came out earlier)...

291 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:32:25pm

re: #288 palomino

This is the key point you've elucidated. The bottom 47% pay no FEDERAL INCOME tax (as opposed to sales, gas, alcohol, tobacco, etc. taxes) for a very simple reason. They don't have the fucking money to begin with. They aren't moochers, they just don't have enough funds left over to contribute much of anything to the federal coffers.

If there's really any such thing as class warfare in America, this is it. And it comes from the right.

Most of them pay 15.2% payroll taxes, a rate higher than Romney's.

292 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:32:35pm

re: #288 palomino

...snip

If there's really any such thing as class warfare in America, this is it. And it comes from the right.

There is something worse than class warfare--to be in a class war and not know it.

293 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:32:43pm

re: #287 Lidane

Yep, since soldiers serving in combat zones don't pay taxes, IIRC. That makes them the 47%.

Yep, those moochers actually expect the government to feed and house them while they are in Afghanistan! Someone should point them towards Bin Laden's old lair and tell them, "hey, there are caves there you can sleep in!"/

294 freetoken  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:32:53pm

Joe Romm jumps on PBS NewsHour:

False Balance Lives: In Worst Climate Story Of The Year, PBS Channels Fox News

Public TV and radio continues to grey itself out of relevance and eventually existence.

295 JamesWI  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:33:29pm

LOL.....Jonah Goldberg actually, seriously, linked to this about 10 minutes ago.

The map above is an alternative analysis of the electoral vote standing for this presidential race done for QstarNews.com by the author of this article. The methodology for this particular map is quite simple. For each state, the polling data listed for that state at Real Clear Politics is viewed, and when obviously skewed media polls are removed, the remaining credible polls are averaged. If that average shows Obama at 50.1 percent or better, that state is shaded blue for Obama. Any result below that for Obama, and the state is shaded red for Romney. This reflects just about all the undecided vote going to Romney by the time voters cast their ballots in the actual election.

So, this guy gets rid of any polls he doesn't like. And no matter what the remaining polls actually say, if they don't have Obama with more than 50%, he gives it to Romney. Thus, he winds up with Romney winning all but 13 states.

This is how the wingnuts are still convinced they're winning. They just disregard any evidence to the contrary.

296 Mr. Crankypants  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:34:12pm

Class warfare should involve casualties on both sides, otherwise it's just a massacre. The 1% has had nearly no casualties from class warfare, while the 99% have lost jobs, homes and dignity.

297 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:35:22pm

re: #295 JamesWI

LOL.....Jonah Goldberg actually, seriously, linked to this about 10 minutes ago.

So, this guy gets rid of any polls he doesn't like. And no matter what the remaining polls actually say, if they don't have Obama with more than 50%, he gives it to Romney. Thus, he winds up with Romney winning all but 13 states.

This is how the wingnuts are still convinced they're winning. They just disregard any evidence to the contrary.

When they lose, they'll blame it on voter fraud and Romney not being a trooo conservative.

298 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:35:27pm

re: #295 JamesWI

This is how the wingnuts are still convinced they're winning. They just disregard any evidence to the contrary.

Not surprising, since they live in their own alternate reality, complete with an invisible version of the POTUS that doesn't exist in the real world.

299 Lidane  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:36:42pm

Heh:

300 palomino  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:36:43pm

re: #287 Lidane

Yep, since soldiers serving in combat zones don't pay taxes, IIRC. That makes them the 47%.

As are the waiters Romney pretends to care so much about at his fundraising banquets.

As are the coal miners Romney likes to awkwardly thank for "their service."

As are most restaurant workers, retail clerks, domestic workers, and many farmers, teachers, bus drivers...the list goes on. He's not talking about a few lazy bums, but nearly half of the nation's workforce. How can such a man claim to represent all the people in the US?

301 steve_davis  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:38:21pm

re: #18 moderatelyradicalliberal

I'm willing to bet $10,000 that the person who recorded this was a member of the wait staff who didn't appreciate being denigrated by a rich prick while they were in the room.

Since Willard doesn't give a fuck about the working poor or even believe that they exist he never considered the possibility.

Sort of like the Father Brown story where the murderer dresses as a postman, because in the Victorian class system, not only would dressing as a postman be a good disguise, a postman would be no more noticed by the upper class than would a piece of furniture, or a telephone on a hall table.

302 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:38:54pm

"Still, as I see it, Romney’s only chance to try to stem the damage is to do an abject apology, but that really isn’t his style. He’s up to his eyeballs in the Freak Show now. Mark Halperin

[Link: thepage.time.com...]

303 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:39:49pm

re: #273 Charles Johnson

Marc Leder Ends His Weekly Bashes in the Hamptons With Naked Guests Cavorting in the Pool and Peforming Public Sex Acts - NYPOST.com

Holy fuck that's Mitt's guy? I read the gossip as a counter to the politics, and THIS story totally crossed my reading. How many others.

304 DisturbedEma  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:40:42pm

re: #295 JamesWI

That and tiger blood. . ala Charlie Sheen. . .

305 palomino  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:42:18pm

re: #297 aagcobb

When they lose, they'll blame it on voter fraud and Romney not being a trooo conservative.

Which is how they will continue to try and delegitimize Obama's presidency, if he's reelected. Throw the birther BS on top, and we've potentially got 4 more years of incendiary counterproductive "he's not the rightful president" crap to look forward to. Oh, well, so much for having a government that can actually govern...the hindrance is that it takes two parties willing to make concessions. And "compromise" is a dirty word in the gop lexicon today, so forget it.

306 Targetpractice  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:42:28pm

re: #303 We're All Welfare Queens Now

Holy fuck that's Mitt's guy? I read the gossip as a counter to the politics, and THIS story totally crossed my reading. How many others.

Mark also points out something else that's gonna haunt Willard for days: This is only part of the full video.

307 diamonda2u  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:44:42pm

One thing is for sure, Romney never listened to what President Obama said when he was running in 08 (in reference to the media, privacy, and what to say and not say)...

"Obama says: "The more I'm in public, I don't even want to pick my nose.""

308 aagcobb  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:46:22pm

re: #305 palomino

Which is how they will continue to try and delegitimize Obama's presidency, if he's reelected. Throw the birther BS on top, and we've potentially got 4 more years of incendiary counterproductive "he's not the rightful president" crap to look forward to. Oh, well, so much for having a government that can actually govern...the hindrance is that it takes two parties willing to make concessions. And "compromise" is a dirty word in the gop lexicon today, so forget it.

Obama has one shot at making a deal with Congress. Part of the "fiscal cliff" is that the Bush Tax Cuts are set to expire. The GOP's only real priority is to keep marginal tax rates on the 1% low, so Obama should be willing to extend the Bush Tax cuts for a jobs bill, avoiding another debt ceiling crisis and long term deficit reduction.

309 Varek Raith  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 6:47:54pm

re: #295 JamesWI

LOL.....Jonah Goldberg actually, seriously, linked to this about 10 minutes ago.

So, this guy gets rid of any polls he doesn't like. And no matter what the remaining polls actually say, if they don't have Obama with more than 50%, he gives it to Romney. Thus, he winds up with Romney winning all but 13 states.

This is how the wingnuts are still convinced they're winning. They just disregard any evidence to the contrary.

Roflcopters away!

310 Hercules Grytpype-Thynne  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 7:04:29pm

re: #217 wrenchwench

Sharpening the petard!

A petard is a small explosive device.

311 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 7:05:33pm

the state is shaded red for Romney

my internal polls show eugene debs winning by a landslide

312 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 7:21:14pm

re: #111 DisturbedEma

One of the redeeming quotes from the Kevin Costner Robin Hood

"Why a spoon, cousin"

"Because it is dull, it will hurt more"

Alan Rickman might be a major-league moonbat, but I love his acting.

313 MittDoesNotCompute  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 7:25:27pm

re: #192 Targetpractice

Reagan could pull it off because he had that charisma, that grandfatherly air that meant he sounded less like he badgering you and more like he was correcting an errant child.

Willard trying to pull that shit would come off like Greg from Animal House, arrogant and bitter.

Mitt is more like Niedermeyer, but at least Niedermayer went to Vietnam, unlike Mitt.

/though Niedermeyer was killed by his own troops in Vietnam

314 Decider  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 8:55:36pm
315 Ming  Mon, Sep 17, 2012 9:38:10pm

Something else leapt out at me from Mitt Romney's statement, "“[M]y job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

Romney is not only saying that 47% of Americans are evil parasites, 100% committed to never changing their evil, crummy nature. Think about the "care for their lives" part of his statement. He's saying that 47% of Americans are so far gone that they can never be convinced to take care of their own lives.

This pretty much comes right out and says that 47% of Americans would be dead (!) if it weren't for the "job creators", the Ayn Rand supermen, the 0.001% (or whatever). The rest of us are not only parasites, moochers, welfare kings and queens etc., but we stubbornly refuse to expend the energy required to keep ourselves alive. Instead, we owe our very lives, every breath we take, to our superiors, to the supermen and women who actually produce things.

Don't mince words, Mitt; tell us how you really feel.

316 Zasta Krockett  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 3:52:39am

Mitt's mask of sanity is about to slip.

317 wrenchwench  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:37:52am

re: #316 Zasta Krockett

Welcome, hatchling.

318 Zasta Krockett  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:13:49am

re: #317 wrenchwench

Welcome, hatchling.

Thank you!


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