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1 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:53:26pm

You know someone grabbed it.

2 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:53:30pm

Oh to be a fly on the wall.

3 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:54:17pm

release the hounds

4 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:54:22pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Oh to be a fly on the wall.

"WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?"

5 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:55:00pm

re: #4 Kragar

"WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?"

I can't wait for the book and movie.

6 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:55:44pm

The invertebrate campaign loses its notochord.

7 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:55:50pm

Damn! Missed it. . .

8 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:56:06pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

Oh to be a fly on the wall.

Screw that. I want an invisibility cloak. You know that they're using Mitt's money for really expensive whiskey to wash down the heartburn medication.

I'd snag a few bottles on my way out the door. Heh.

9 JRCMYP  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:56:22pm

Curiouser and curiouser.

10 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:56:48pm

re: #8 Lidane

Screw that. I want an invisibility cloak. You know that they're using Mitt's money for really expensive whiskey to wash down the heartburn medication.

I'd snag a few bottles on my way out the door. Heh.

You're right. They probably got the really good Jameson that I can't afford.

11 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:56:59pm

How many junior campaign staffers have purchased better, smaller recording equipment this week?

12 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:57:14pm

What Mitt really needs is the right theme music to get his campaign to get back on track...

13 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:58:25pm

They probably thought it would be a good idea, then the condescending Ann got in front of the camera.

Neither one of them have the vaguest idea of how to communicate without coming off as complete assholes.

14 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:59:13pm

watching the full thing now

15 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 7:59:31pm

re: #8 Lidane

Yes!!

16 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:00:54pm

Clearly I am still bitter because one of my first thoughts was "oh, more tuna laments. . ."

17 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:02:02pm

re: #13 makeitstop

They probably thought it would be a good idea, then the condescending Ann got in front of the camera.

Neither one of them have the vaguest idea of how to communicate without coming off as complete assholes.

She actually has that rare ability to make her husband look worse. "You people."

18 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:02:17pm

I'm Mitt Romney and I have no clue what the fuck I'm doing.

19 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:02:39pm
20 elisabeth  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:02:54pm

Buzzfeed has it: [Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

21 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:02:54pm

re: #16 DisturbedEma

Clearly I am still bitter because one of my first thoughts was "oh, more tuna laments. . ."

Does being rich mean you no longer want to eat pasta or tuna fish?

22 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:02:58pm

I watched the interview with Ann Romney. She is lying through her chicklets. I just lost all the respect I had for her.

Mitt was clearly bemoaning that he had no chance at getting the vote from those 47%. There was no hint that he was concerned about their future prospects. She is much more comfortable lying than Mitt.

23 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:03:10pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

Indeed, it IS surreal, he messes up, she is supposed to be some sort of clean up and she winds up making it worse, fire, meet gasoline. . .

24 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:03:38pm

re: #18 Varek Raith

I'm Mitt Romney and I have no clue what the fuck I'm doing.

I'm Mitt Romney and I'll bet you $10,000 I can make myself look even worse by the weekend.

25 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:03:41pm

re: #20 elisabeth

Buzzfeed has it: [Link: www.buzzfeed.com...]

That's just the interview.

26 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:04:15pm

Ann is just deadpan throughout the whole thing, she hates this

27 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:04:51pm

Or as the Romney camp refers to it, distraction.

28 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:05:01pm

re: #21 Mocking Jay

No, I am STILL pissed about her story of her and Mitt's hard times, in which they had to eat tuna. Not they had no food, or had to make the tuna feed 8 people, just the fact that it was tuna. Irrational, I know but it just made me mad

29 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:05:40pm

re: #27 Mocking Jay

Or as the Romney camp refers to it, distraction.

[Embedded content]

Gorebull warming!
/

30 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:06:03pm

re: #25 Gus

That's just the interview.

The interview was apparently the video they posted. The interview itself didn't really have anything noteworthy, but the fact that they actually titled the video "Mitt doesn't Disdain the Poor" is.

31 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:06:04pm

re: #23 DisturbedEma

Indeed, it IS surreal, he messes up, she is supposed to be some sort of clean up and she winds up making it worse, fire, meet gasoline. . .

Really, I thought having never seen her speak that she could make Mitt look better but no she makes things worse because she's as patronizing as he is.

32 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:06:15pm

re: #27 Mocking Jay

Or as the Romney camp refers to it, distraction.

[Embedded content]

I welcome our new Canadian Fish Merchant overlords.

33 SpaceJesus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:06:40pm

re: #28 DisturbedEma


It was probably seared yellow fin

34 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:06:42pm

re: #28 DisturbedEma

It reminded me of his "hey I'm unemployed too" crap

35 elisabeth  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:06:45pm

re: #25 Gus

Oh, I thought they were the same thing. Too busy watching POTUS. :)

36 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:07:04pm

re: #30 JamesWI

The interview was apparently the video they posted. The interview itself didn't really have anything noteworthy, but the fact that they actually titled the video "Mitt doesn't Disdain the Poor" is.

Now I'm cornfused.

37 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:07:05pm

re: #33 SpaceJesus

Polenta crusted I'm sure. . .

38 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:07:20pm

re: #34 DisturbedEma

It reminded me of his "hey I'm unemployed too" crap

That was his dumbest one ever. Yeah he's unemployed because he's been running for the same job since 2007 non stop pretty much.

39 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:08:19pm

re: #34 DisturbedEma

It reminded me of his "hey I'm unemployed too" crap

40 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:08:48pm

re: #28 DisturbedEma

No, I am STILL pissed about her story of her and Mitt's hard times, in which they had to eat tuna. Not they had no food, or had to make the tuna feed 8 people, just the fact that it was tuna. Irrational, I know but it just made me mad

Hey! You call this slop? Real slop has got chunks in it! This is more like gruel! And this Château le Blanc '68 is supposed to be served slightly chilled! This is room temperature! What do you think we are, animals?

41 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:09:13pm

It's the socialist lefty commie lefty MSMs fault because they published what Romney said instead of what Romney wants us to believe he meant to have said.

42 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:10:28pm

re: #41 Illustrated Inhibitions

It's the socialist lefty commie lefty MSMs fault because they published what Romney said instead of what Romney wants us to believe he meant to have said.

...retroactively.

43 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:10:32pm

re: #41 Illustrated Inhibitions

It's the socialist lefty commie lefty MSMs fault because they published what Romney said instead of what Romney wants us to believe he meant to have said.

I think I remember seeing a quote by an athlete who complained that the reporters write what I say but not what I mean. This is Mitt's predicament heh.

44 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:10:55pm

re: #39 Varek Raith

It buuuurns. . it freezes. . .holy shitballs what a jackwagon!

45 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:11:08pm

re: #17 HappyWarrior

She actually has that rare ability to make her husband look worse. "You people."

She didn't actually say 'you people'.

46 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:12:22pm

re: #45 Illustrated Inhibitions

She didn't actually say 'you people'.

Didn't she say that when asked about their taxes? I used the "you people" to mock that.

47 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:12:44pm

re: #36 Gus

Now I'm cornfused.

The Romney campaign posted a video of that interview. They titled the video of the interview "Ann to FOX31: Mitt Doesn't Disdain the Poor." Someone finally realized that the title of the video is horrible and they took it down.

So I'm pretty sure the interview video that BuzzFeed has is the same thing, just that it's not from Romney's Youtube page.

In the interview, she doesn't actually say those words. The news guy asks something like "So it's not like Mitt disdains the poor, the elderly, etc." and Ann responds with something like "Oh no, of course not!"

So again, the content of the video itself had nothing objectionable (besides a bunch of spin and lying, of course). The real issue is the fact that Romney's campaign people were incompetent enough to post the video with that title.

48 MikeTheModerateDemocrat  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:12:46pm

re: #38 HappyWarrior

That was his dumbest one ever. Yeah he's unemployed because he's been running for the same job since 2007 non stop pretty much.

Try 1994...

49 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:12:49pm

re: #40 Kragar

AMEN- you must be living in my state of mind because I mentally imagined similar snide remarks from her about wine in my head. . .this hasn't been BREATHING long enough for me to drink :)

50 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:12:49pm

re: #45 Illustrated Inhibitions

She didn't actually say 'you people'.

What she said was, "ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:12:52pm

re: #45 Illustrated Inhibitions

She didn't actually say 'you people'.

Yep, she sure did. Talking about Mitt's financial info - "we've given all you people need to know."

52 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:13:05pm

You people: [Link: www.politico.com...]

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:14:15pm

re: #51 Charles Johnson

Yep, she sure did. Talking about Mitt's financial info - "we've given you people all you need to know."

Yeah that's what I was mocking when I used those words. I think she also used it in talking about the Puerto Ricans at the RNC.

54 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:15:28pm

re: #28 DisturbedEma

No, I am STILL pissed about her story of her and Mitt's hard times, in which they had to eat tuna. Not they had no food, or had to make the tuna feed 8 people, just the fact that it was tuna. Irrational, I know but it just made me mad

Hey, feed the house on a box of mac & cheese stretched with a can of tuna and some frozen peas. Been there, done that, know they never fucking did.

55 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:15:29pm

re: #47 JamesWI

Ah, ok, so we can file this under mislabeled misfire? Trying to keep the files neat, which is hard as there is so much. . .

56 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:15:38pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Didn't she say that when asked about their taxes? I used the "you people" to mock that.

I listened to the interview but didn't hear her say 'you'. I think people just ran with it without listening to the interview.

57 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:15:40pm

re: #48 MikeTheModerateDemocrat

Try 1994...

You've got to give the man credit. He's ambitious.

58 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:16:31pm

re: #56 Illustrated Inhibitions

I listened to the interview but didn't hear her say 'you'. I think people just ran with it without listening to the interview.

Politico disagrees
“We’ve given all you people need to know and understand about our financial situation and how we live our life,"

59 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:16:34pm
60 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:16:47pm

re: #54 William Barnett-Lewis

Me too! Last year I got laid off and my husband got his hours cut and we have um, several kids, and Ramen also can be used with add ins and go far just saying:)

61 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:16:48pm

A Mood of Gloom Afflicts the Romney Campaign

Grim-faced aides acknowledged that it was an unusually dark moment, made worse by the self-inflicted, seemingly avoidable nature of the wound. In low-volume, out-of-the-way conversations, a few of them are now wondering whether victory is still possible and whether they are entering McCain-Palin ticket territory.

62 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:18:29pm

re: #61 jaunte

A Mood of Gloom Afflicts the Romney Campaign

I can't believe they seriously think they have something with the 1998 Obama clip. At the same time though, they want Mitt's business record to be completely off limits outside their praising of it of course.. They're idiots. Really.

63 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:19:02pm

re: #47 JamesWI

The Romney campaign posted a video of that interview. They titled the video of the interview "Ann to FOX31: Mitt Doesn't Disdain the Poor." Someone finally realized that the title of the video is horrible and they took it down.

So I'm pretty sure the interview video that BuzzFeed has is the same thing, just that it's not from Romney's Youtube page.

In the interview, she doesn't actually say those words. The news guy asks something like "So it's not like Mitt disdains the poor, the elderly, etc." and Ann responds with something like "Oh no, of course not!"

So again, the content of the video itself had nothing objectionable (besides a bunch of spin and lying, of course). The real issue is the fact that Romney's campaign people were incompetent enough to post the video with that title.

Ah, OK. I see the problem! I thought I was looking for an ad and not an interview. Woops.

64 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:19:55pm

re: #61 jaunte

A Mood of Gloom Afflicts the Romney Campaign

In low-volume, out-of-the-way conversations, a few of them are now wondering whether victory is still possible and whether they are entering McCain-Palin ticket territory.

This makes me happy. Arrogant conservative tears, how I enjoy thee.

65 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:20:51pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

I can't believe they seriously think they have something with the 1998 Obama clip. At the same time though, they want Mitt's business record to be completely off limits. They're idiots. Really.

I like how the campaign that says Mitt's entire business record from the 90s is "off the table" wants to make a big deal about 1 speech of Obama's from back then.

66 elisabeth  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:20:53pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Hell, we're not allowed to see Mitt's tax returns from 2008! And Mitt was pro-choice in 1998 so I'm sure sure the campaign wants to go there.

67 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:20:57pm

re: #62 HappyWarrior

Still, a flustered adviser, describing the mood, said that the campaign was turning into a vulgar, unprintable phrase.

"Hey, this campaign's turned into a vulgar, unprintable phrase.
Please don't quote me."

68 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:21:32pm

I stand corrected. I listened to it again and I did hear the 'you people'.
My apologies.

69 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:21:38pm

re: #64 makeitstop

This makes me happy. Arrogant conservative tears, how I enjoy thee.

70 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:21:54pm

re: #67 jaunte

"Hey, this campaign's turned into a vulgar, unprintable phrase.
Please don't quote me."

My money's on 'clusterfuck.'

71 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:22:01pm

re: #61 jaunte

A Mood of Gloom Afflicts the Romney Campaign

And yet, if you listen to the wingnuts, they're already planning parties for Election Day. They're totally convinced they've got it in the bag, because they see it as impossible for Obama to win reelection.

72 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:22:16pm

re: #65 Kragar

I like how the campaign that says Mitt's entire business record from the 90s is "off the table" wants to make a big deal about 1 speech of Obama's from back then.

I know, right? But this is the campaign that had no problem twisting Obama's words and defended it because "it works".

73 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:22:21pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Dafuq? "Corrective measures?" Women suffering under Obama? Women falling into poverty x2- I hear it one more time I'm gonna take a shot. . .just saying. . .

74 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:22:23pm

Non-taxpayer: [Link: www.zazzle.com...]

75 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:22:25pm

A genuinely interesting story, full of shit I did not know.

76 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:22:52pm

re: #60 DisturbedEma

Me too! Last year I got laid off and my husband got his hours cut and we have um, several kids, and Ramen also can be used with add ins and go far just saying:)

50 lb bag of rice is really cheap & can be stretched further than anything else on this freaking planet. Navy or kidney beans for protein. Soup bones are a god send. If you want meat, you'd better know how to hunt.

Yeah, my grandmother's lessons from the Great Depression have helped me more than once.

77 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:23:20pm

re: #59 goddamnedfrank

Here's the video.

I'm on my tablet so I can't see flash video.

78 DisturbedEma  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:23:32pm

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

Yep- we made it through and yep we got better. . .

79 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:24:16pm

re: #66 elisabeth

Hell, we're not allowed to see Mitt's tax returns from 2008! And Mitt was pro-choice in 1998 so I'm sure sure the campaign wants to go there.

Shit let's look at then candidate for Senate in 1994 Mitt Romney claiming he would never waver from his pro choice position and trying to position himself to the left on gay rights than Ted Kennedy. Really, this is such a pathetically run campaign.If Mitt didn't have wealthy friends and connections. He wouldn't have gotten out of the primary.

80 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:26:17pm

And somewhere, McCain is enjoying a Scotch and saying "Pick Romney instead of Palin? Right. Who's laughing now, you bastards?"

81 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:28:33pm
Aides inside Mr. Romney’s Boston headquarters began highlighting a video of their own: a 1998 clip showing Barack Obama, then a state senator, saying that he wanted the government to facilitate the distribution of wealth.

I'm thinking the Times reporter didn't actually watch the Obama video.

82 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:30:09pm

re: #81 makeitstop

Link?

83 simoom  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:31:18pm

After being blocked for a time, sounds like Pamela Geller will soon be plastering her bigoted ads all over the NY subway system:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

... New Yorkers will soon encounter another potentially inflammatory rendering of Islam: an advertisement in the transit system that reads, “In any war between the civilized man and the savage, support the civilized man.”

It concludes with the words, “Support Israel. Defeat Jihad,” wedged between two Stars of David.

After rejecting the ads initially, then losing a federal court ruling on First Amendment grounds, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority said on Tuesday that the ads were expected to appear next week at 10 subway stations.

84 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:31:20pm

re: #82 Illustrated Inhibitions

Link?

Same article everyone else has been quoting, from NYT.

85 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:31:39pm

re: #76 William Barnett-Lewis

50 lb bag of rice is really cheap & can be stretched further than anything else on this freaking planet. Navy or kidney beans for protein. Soup bones are a god send. If you want meat, you'd better know how to hunt.

Yeah, my grandmother's lessons from the Great Depression have helped me more than once.

Rice? I'd as soon eat cardboard.

86 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:32:15pm

re: #81 makeitstop

Finally listened to that clip. Really, this is what Romney thinks is the smoking gun that will somehow make Mitt's asshole behavior be forgotten? Delusion sure is ripe.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:32:37pm

re: #12 Kragar

What Mitt really needs is the right theme music to get his campaign to get back on track...

[Embedded content]

I was thinking of this:

88 gwangung  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:33:02pm

re: #85 Illustrated Inhibitions

Rice? I'd as soon eat cardboard.

Asian folks make funny noises in your direction!

89 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:33:03pm

Jesus’ Wife Mentioned on Fourth-Century Papyrus Fragment

A scrap of papyrus dated to the fourth century has written on it in the ancient Coptic language, “Jesus said to them, my wife,” reopening the debate about whether Jesus was married, as some early Christians believed.

The words on the honey-colored fragment are the first to show Jesus referring to a wife, according to Karen King, a professor of divinity at Harvard Divinity School in Cambridge, Massachusetts, who presented the finding today at the International Congress of Coptic Studies in Rome. The writing in black ink is in the language of Egyptian Christians, on a fragment of about 1.5 by 3 inches (4 by 8 centimeters).

The fragment likely is authentic, based on the papyrus and handwriting, Roger Bagnall, director of the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World in New York said in a statement from Harvard. Early Christians didn’t agree about whether they should marry or remain celibate, and the earliest claim Jesus didn’t marry is from 200 A.D., King said.

“One of the things we do know is that very rarely in ancient literature was the marital status of men discussed,” King said in a conference call with reporters. “Silence in marital status is normal.”

Only women were identified in terms of family relationships, as someone’s sister, mother, or wife, King said. The question of whether Jesus married came up later when people wanted to use him as a model for their lives, she said.

90 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:33:43pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

I was thinking of this:

[Embedded content]

Or this:

91 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:34:14pm

Brace yourselves, cartoons are coming
French leaders fret over new Mohammad cartoons

... the paper has planned another series of cartoons of Muhammad, including, according to Reuters, "nude caricatures." The paper is due to hit newsstands Wednesday.
...
Prime Minister Jean-Marc Ayrault issued a statement, which Reuters translated as saying: "In the current climate, the prime minister wishes to stress his disapproval of all excess and calls on everyone to behave responsibly."

French newspaper Le Monde reports that Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, on a visit to Cairo, condemned the cartoons, claiming to the French government is "against hostile provocations at this time."

The Interior Ministry has announced plans to beef up security around the offices of Charlie Hebdo as a precaution, according to Le Monde.

Dalil Boubakeur, the senior cleric at Paris's biggest mosque, told Agence France Presse he has appealed for France's Muslims to remain calm.

"It is with astonishment, sadness and concern that I have learned that this publication is risking increasing the current outrage across the Muslim world," he said. "I would appeal to them not to pour oil on the fire.

92 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:34:29pm
93 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:35:46pm

[Crack]

And Roger hits one straight out of the park! It's a home run!

94 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:36:04pm

This is The Most inept campaign I have ever seen in my life.
Now I wanna see Mitt Romney's transcripts...
LOL!!!

95 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:36:50pm

The arch robber baron John D. Rockefeller would at least go around giving people shiny new dimes.
This was more than two bucks in modern money. Do we see Romney or any other present-day plutocrats going around passing out two dollar bills?
My conclusion: The present generation of money grubbers is even more callous than their predecessors, and they steal more than Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, and Morgan could have imagined.

96 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:36:55pm

Ann is looking stressed. As is Mitt.

97 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:37:08pm

re: #94 Reverend Mother Ramallo

This is The Most inept campaign I have ever seen in my life.
Now I wanna see Mitt Romney's transcripts...
LOL!!!

Yep. Horrible. Been watching politics since 1976.

98 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:37:09pm

re: #92 Gus

[Embedded content]

Born with the shaving cream pie on his face, thinks he hit the walk off home run.

99 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:37:30pm
100 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:37:39pm

re: #98 HappyWarrior

Born with the shaving cream pie on his face, thinks he hit the walk off home run.

His dad owns the shaving cream factory.

//

101 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:38:34pm

re: #88 gwangung

Asian folks make funny noises in your direction!

Potato is my starch of choice.

102 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:38:37pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

"That's all we are giving you people."

103 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:38:59pm

Treading carefully in the garden tonight. Frogs everywhere. Much larger that previous years, very active.

104 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:40:04pm

re: #99 darthstar

[Embedded content]

Yeah, Ryan's probably concerned with saving his own congressional seat a bit more now.

105 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:40:04pm

re: #94 Reverend Mother Ramallo

This is The Most inept campaign I have ever seen in my life.

The tell-all books are going to be awesome. I can't wait.

106 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:40:05pm

Colbert is talking about the video now. The thing is, his lines sound like they came word-for-word from the wingnut pundits.

107 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:40:06pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Treading carefully in the garden tonight. Frogs everywhere. Much larger that previous years, very active.

They are your grandchildren! Three generations by now, I should think.

108 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:41:14pm

re: #106 JamesWI

Colbert is talking about the video now. The thing is, his lines sound like they came word-for-word from the wingnut pundits.

They probably did. Why mess with well written comedy?

109 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:41:27pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Treading carefully in the garden tonight. Frogs everywhere. Much larger that previous years, very active.

Beware...

110 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:41:47pm

re: #103 Killgore Trout

Treading carefully in the garden tonight. Frogs everywhere. Much larger that previous years, very active.

Were you out there right meow?

111 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:41:49pm

Video is on buzzfeed. Ann's hair is more fucked up than Mitt's was last night.

112 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:42:16pm

Romney and the wingnut minions claim, of course, that they are victims of biased media sharks.
If so, it's probably a good idea to avoid slitting your wrists when you go swimming with them.

113 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:43:45pm
114 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:43:47pm

re: #107 prairiefire

They are your grandchildren! Three generations by now, I should think.

Yeah, third generation. Pretty impressive.

115 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:43:57pm
116 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:43:59pm

Colbert in a tux and tophat, giving the "elegantly stated" version of Romney's speech. Tossing shrimp at the "victims" who have the nerve to think they're "entitled to food."

117 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:44:42pm

Mitt's mission, how to turn all of this into him being the real victim.

118 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:45:10pm

re: #95 Shiplord Kirel

The arch robber baron John D. Rockefeller would at least go around giving people shiny new dimes.
This was more than two bucks in modern money. Do we see Romney or any other present-day plutocrats going around passing out two dollar bills?
My conclusion: The present generation of money grubbers is even more callous than their predecessors, and they steal more than Rockefeller, Vanderbilt, and Morgan could have imagined.

Yep, the 1% have been redistributing wealth to themselves for decades via globalization, union busting, and lobbying government for tax credits, rebates, corporate welfare, and lower tax rates on income and capital gains. So I agree with the President, why should wealth only be redistributed upward to the 1%?

119 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:45:25pm

re: #111 darthstar

Video is on buzzfeed. Ann's hair is more fucked up than Mitt's was last night.

Okay, I could only put up with about half of that interview. I'd rather listen to Pamela Geller.

120 aagcobb  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:46:32pm

re: #4 Kragar

"WHO THE FUCK THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?"

Is this video title not the Romney Campaign's "I am not a witch" moment?

121 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:47:09pm

The modern GOP is a curious alliance of fundamentalist Christians, whose founder drove the corrupt money changers from the Temple, and big money corporate types, who ARE the corrupt money changers in the Temple.

122 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:47:20pm

With all the revelations and discussions about Romney, other media hogs just aren't getting the attention they desire, though they are trying. Such as creationist Ben Stein:

Ben Stein: Hillary Clinton ‘Responsible’ For Benghazi Deaths, Should Resign

123 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:48:55pm

re: #122 freetoken

With all the revelations and discussions about Romney, other media hogs just aren't getting the attention they desire, though they are trying. Such as creationist Ben Stein:

Ben Stein: Hillary Clinton ‘Responsible’ For Benghazi Deaths, Should Resign

So, George Schultz should have resigned after the bombing of the barracks in Beirut, right, Ben? Or is that bullshit argument only reserved for Democratic SoS's?

124 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:50:18pm

For Austin Blue

EVIL at Nellis

FL EVIL41 B-52 NELLIS

125 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:52:09pm

re: #111 darthstar

Video is on buzzfeed. Ann's hair is more fucked up than Mitt's was last night.

I can't believe how collectively jacked up their hair has been in the last 24 hours. Maybe their gays fled./

126 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:52:14pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

The modern GOP is a curious alliance of fundamentalist Christians, whose founder drove the corrupt money changers from the Temple, and big money corporate types, who ARE the corrupt money changers in the Temple.

Throwing the first stones, kicking dirt on their enemies, disowning the prodigal sons, demonizing the poor.. Not exactly the message from the New Testament.

127 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:53:32pm

Cole's place has a guess the vulgar, unprintable phrase thread. This is my fave comment so far:

The campaign has turning into such a bloated, festering, fucking unholy abomination that the only people who are still interested in us are blind necrophiliacs who’ve lost their sense of smell.

They're a foul-mouthed bunch over there. I can't stop laughing.

128 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:53:37pm

re: #125 prairiefire

I can't believe how collectively jacked up their hair has been in the last 24 hours. Maybe their gays fled./

129 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:53:39pm

I hope he's paying his staffers better than he pays his maids, because I can't see any of them getting hired to run another campaign for anyone...evah!

re: #105 Lidane

I bet they've already started the rough drafts.

130 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:54:55pm

re: #129 Reverend Mother Ramallo

I hope he's paying his staffers better than he pays his maids, because I can't see any of them getting hired to run another campaign for anyone...evah!

I bet they've already started the rough drafts.

Probably trying to make themselves look as good as possible too. And I just know that Jay Roach who directed Game Change and Recount will want to tell this story too. So, honest question, who plays Mitt?

131 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:54:58pm
132 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:55:10pm

re: #80 Kragar

And somewhere, McCain is enjoying a Scotch and saying "Pick Romney instead of Palin? Right. Who's laughing now, you bastards?"

Yep. "She kept the nut-jobs happy and wasn't as bad as this freak."

133 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:55:56pm

re: #128 darthstar

[Embedded content]

This is not the Mitt Romney I once knew.

//

134 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:57:21pm

re: #131 Lidane

Still, a flustered adviser, describing the mood, said that the campaign was turning into a vulgar, unprintable phrase.

Yes without a doubt, the word in question was clusterfuck.

135 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:57:42pm

re: #127 makeitstop

Cole's place has a guess the vulgar, unprintable phrase thread. This is my fave comment so far:

They're a foul-mouthed bunch over there. I can't stop laughing.

Balloon Juice is awesome. Cole used to be a wingnut back in the day but the Schiavo lunacy made him break with the right. It's been a glorious, foul-mouthed shift to the left ever since. I love that place.

136 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:58:00pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Probably trying to make themselves look as good as possible too. And I just know that Jay Roach who directed Game Change and Recount will want to tell this story too. So, honest question, who plays Mitt?

That's a good question...I don't know.
I'll have to think about that one.

137 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:58:19pm

Wonder if Romney will use his incredible foreign-policy-fu on this one:


U.S. Ambassador’s Vehicle Damaged During Protests in Beijing

Demonstrators in Beijing caused minor damage to the official vehicle of U.S. Ambassador Gary Locke yesterday as it was about to enter the embassy grounds, embassy spokesman Nolan Barkhouse said.

[...]

138 The Ghost of a Flea  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:58:22pm

re: #121 Shiplord Kirel

The modern GOP is a curious alliance of fundamentalist Christians, whose founder drove the corrupt money changers from the Temple, and big money corporate types, who ARE the corrupt money changers in the Temple.

Jesus gives the minority report in wingnut Christianity.

From the archives: Rick Warren and The Purpose-Driven Lie

[On July 25, 2011] famed “Christian” pastor Rick Warren, wealthy author and megachurch leader, tweeted the following:

HALF of America pays NO taxes. Zero. So they’re happy for tax rates to be raised on the other half that DOES pay any taxes.

Stupid or evil? Both. That’s such an old lie, told so often by old liars and debunked so frequently that Warren can’t have believed it unless he had spent the previous three decades somewhere with no television, no radio, no newspapers and no Bibles.

The nasty lie he told was not a faux pas, or an innocent bit of misinformation.
First of all, he knew it was not true...He was bearing false witness. He was bearing witness that he knew to be false.

But more importantly, it was malicious false witness. This was not a piece of data that he passed along mistakenly believing it to be true. This was a slander against poor people that no one would ever pass along unless they really didn’t like poor people. It sounded mean because it was mean.

It’s a vicious lie, contemptuous of the weak, haughty and detestable, arrogant, overfed and unconcerned. This was the sin of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, excess of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and the needy.

139 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:59:05pm

re: #131 Lidane

How about guessing this one..

Aides did little to hide their annoyance: on Monday night, a Romney aide cursed loudly as he tried to corral reporters into an impromptu news conference in Costa Mesa, Calif.

OK, here is my guess..

GD-it. I said over F-ing here you numbnuts.

140 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 8:59:31pm

re: #136 Reverend Mother Ramallo

That's a good question...I don't know.
I'll have to think about that one.

Heh they asked him and Ann apparently who they think would play each other. Mitt misunderstood the question and said Gene Hackman for Ann. Quickly turned it into a Birdcage ref though.

141 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:00:29pm

re: #139 Mich-again

How about guessing this one..

OK, here is my guess..

They're getting frustrated. Can you blame them?

142 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:00:36pm

re: #112 Shiplord Kirel

Romney and the wingnut minions claim, of course, that they are victims of biased media sharks.
If so, it's probably a good idea to avoid slitting your wrists when you go swimming with them.

I've noticed that campaigns that are deep shit usually are the first to start whining about how "unfair" the press is.

143 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:01:24pm

re: #138 The Ghost of a Flea

Many rich and "successful" people are nothing more than ignorant assholes, who have discovered that the average person is too stupid to analyze claims for themselves and thus simply tell people what they want to hear, for which the masses will gladly pay.

144 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:01:24pm

re: #142 Targetpractice

I've noticed that campaigns that are deep shit usually are the first to start whining about how "unfair" the press is.

Yeah you saw that with McCain. They were convinced that the media was in the tank for Obama.

145 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:01:46pm

LOL

146 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:01:54pm

I think when they make the Mitt for TV movie about Romney's campaign, they ought to get all the same people, but cast them in parts playing others. So Newt gets to play Mitt. Mitt gets to be Sarah Palin, Santorum is Ron Paul... Man that would be some funny shit, like those old Dean Martin celebrity roasts.

147 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:02:18pm

I had Tweeted this.

148 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:02:39pm

re: #146 Mich-again

I think when they make the Mitt for TV movie about Romney's campaign, they ought to get all the same people, but cast them in parts playing others. So Newt gets to play Mitt. Mitt gets to be Sarah Palin, Santorum is Ron Paul... Man that would be some funny shit, like those old Dean Martin celebrity roasts.

Haha too bad none of them really have any sense of humor.

149 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:03:25pm

That was good.

150 makeitstop  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:03:25pm

re: #135 Lidane

Balloon Juice is awesome. Cole used to be a wingnut back in the day but the Schiavo lunacy made him break with the right. It's been a glorious, foul-mouthed shift to the left ever since. I love that place.

I actually used to hang out at BJ before I ended up here. Cole cracks me up. When he starts railing, it is a wonder to behold.

151 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:04:03pm

re: #147 Gus

I think the kid that got a haircut from Mitt knew that 50 years ago.

152 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:04:18pm
153 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:05:06pm

re: #136 Reverend Mother Ramallo

The heavy browed dad from Modern Family, I think.

154 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:05:33pm

What do you say to people who gave $50,000 for dinner and a show and you are the show? Mitt is like, beats the fuck outta me..

155 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:05:41pm

re: #130 HappyWarrior

Probably trying to make themselves look as good as possible too. And I just know that Jay Roach who directed Game Change and Recount will want to tell this story too. So, honest question, who plays Mitt?

Christopher Walken?

Or...don't laugh...Sean Penn?

156 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:06:01pm

re: #123 HappyWarrior

So, George Schultz should have resigned after the bombing of the barracks in Beirut, right, Ben? Or is that bullshit argument only reserved for Democratic SoS's?

We're talking about RWNJs here...what do you think?

/

157 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:06:04pm

re: #153 prairiefire

The heavy browed dad from Modern Family, I think.

Whatever they do it will probably surprise me. Thought Ed Harris was a surprising choice for McCain, for example.

158 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:06:56pm

Many of the "base" upon which Romney is depending actually believe many of those silly claims that Romney repeats. They don't really care what the "smart" people believe about all of this.

Yes, some of the self identified "Republicans" are wringing their hands over Mitt's now several idiotic statements, but these types are in big cities and rub shoulders with those nasty elites, or are in the DC inner-circle and know the actual score.

159 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:08:53pm

re: #155 SanFranciscoZionist

Christopher Walken?

Or...don't laugh...Sean Penn?

I think Walken's too creepy looking to play Mitt heh. Penn is younger but he is talented so maybe.

160 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:08:59pm

re: #124 Gus

For Austin Blue

EVIL at Nellis

FL EVIL41 B-52 NELLIS

Something very primal and bowel-shaking about the sound of a B-52 flying at you, then away from you.

161 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:09:40pm

re: #160 Gert Fröbe

Something very primal and bowel-shaking about the sound of a B-52 flying at you, then away from you.

That's because it's the grim reaper.

162 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:10:38pm

re: #160 Gert Fröbe

Something very primal and bowel-shaking about the sound of a B-52 flying at you, then away from you.

For some reason, I think I'd take that over Super Hornets buzzing my house, one after the other, for hours at a time.

164 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:11:57pm

Well Bruce Campbell from Burn Notice sort of has the look, but I'm not sure if he could pull off a Mitt Romney. I've mostly seen him in B-movies.
Lots of wooden acting.
Then again...

165 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:12:04pm

re: #163 freetoken

For example:

Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

Of course, he probably also thinks the 1998 Obama tape will doom Obama and Mitt will rise like a phoenix.

166 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:12:09pm

re: #153 prairiefire

The heavy browed dad from Modern Family, I think.

I just don't think that Ed O'Neill (AKA Al Bundy from Married with Children) could do RMoney; O'Neill just oozes "Everyman" and RMoney doesn't have any of that at all.

167 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:12:09pm

re: #160 Gert Fröbe

Something very primal and bowel-shaking about the sound of a B-52 flying at you, then away from you.

I had the good fortune of being in the middle of returning a rental car at Heathrow airport once when the Concorde was still in service, and as I was signing in my car, the rental agent put on his ear protection and dropped into a crouch. I felt the roar before I heard it, then looked up to see the Concorde roaring past about 500 feet from me. The sound was, literally, deafening, as I watched the engine flame as it went away then turned to see this guy shouting at me and holding out my receipt. I saw his lips move, but I honestly couldn't hear a word he said. Pretty fucking awesome.

168 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:12:32pm

re: #161 Gus

That's because it's the grim reaper.

Pretty much...

169 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:13:19pm

re: #163 freetoken

For example:

Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

I'll take "Wingnuts In Complete And Total Denial" for $1000, Alex.

170 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:13:35pm

re: #169 Targetpractice

I'll take "Wingnuts In Complete And Total Denial" for $1000, Alex.

Daily Double.

171 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:13:45pm

I think Mitt should put on a helmet and ride around with his head sticking out of a tank or maybe put on a lint free suit and crawl out of a hatch opening. That could only help his chances.

172 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:14:45pm

re: #164 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Well Bruce Campbell from Burn Notice sort of has the look, but I'm not sure if he could pull off a Mitt Romney. I've mostly seen him in B-movies.
Lots of wooden acting.
Then again...

Campbell has the face, the hair, and the chops to do a mean RMoney, but he's gotten a bit heavy/jowly over the years (compare him in Burn Notice, then in Army of Darkness or any of the other Evil Dead films); he'd have to drop some pounds, but I think he'd be spot on.

173 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:15:21pm

re: #139 Mich-again

Personally, I keep waiting for someone at Romney HQ to lose it and channel their inner Ari Gold:

"You’re fired, and in case your ears are fucked, Get. The Fuck. Out! And the next person I see juggling, tap dancing, or baton twirling or doing any other circus-like tricks, will join him, all right? One-strike policy applies. Now get back to work! God damn that felt good."

That would be awesome, especially if it got caught on tape.

174 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:16:44pm

re: #150 makeitstop

I actually used to hang out at BJ before I ended up here. Cole cracks me up. When he starts railing, it is a wonder to behold.

Same here. I used to post there a long time ago and occasionally lurk here. Now it's the other way around, but I follow a lot of the BJ writers on Twitter so I don't miss anything. ABL is hilarious.

175 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:16:45pm

re: #167 darthstar

I had the good fortune of being in the middle of returning a rental car at Heathrow airport once when the Concorde was still in service, and as I was signing in my car, the rental agent put on his ear protection and dropped into a crouch. I felt the roar before I heard it, then looked up to see the Concorde roaring past about 500 feet from me. The sound was, literally, deafening, as I watched the engine flame as it went away then turned to see this guy shouting at me and holding out my receipt. I saw his lips move, but I honestly couldn't hear a word he said. Pretty fucking awesome.

So one time way back I'm at my dad's business mowing the lawn on Telegraph near West Road and I hear this noise so loud it is drowning out the Briggs and Stratton motor and I'm like WTF is that and I look up and its a Concorde taking off from DTW rght over my head. way badass.

176 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:17:16pm

re: #164 Reverend Mother Ramallo

He's too muscaly. And intelligent/sensitive.

177 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:17:20pm

re: #172 Gert Fröbe

Campbell has the face, the hair, and the chops to do a mean RMoney, but he's gotten a bit heavy/jowly over the years (compare him in Burn Notice, then in Army of Darkness or any of the other Evil Dead films); he'd have to drop some pounds, but I think he'd be spot on.

Speaking of The Bruce, did you hear they're rebooting the Evil Dead franchise?

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:17:40pm

re: #161 Gus

That's because it's the grim reaper.

No. It's Grim's older, bigger brother. The one who used to give you an Atomic Wedgie when he caught you giving his little brother shit.

(this was before Mandy got involved... :eek: )

179 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:17:51pm
180 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:19:04pm

re: #173 Lidane

Personally, I keep waiting for someone at Romney HQ to lose it and channel their inner Ari Gold:

That would be awesome, especially if it got caught on tape.

Image: 4a4da-Ari_Gold_Get_the_Fuck_Out.gif

181 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:19:10pm

re: #179 freetoken

No kidding:

Hannity Omits The "Food Stamp" Facts: Most Recipients Have Jobs, Or Are Seniors Or Children

Heh Hannity has never let facts get in the way of spreading bullshit.

182 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:19:39pm

re: #179 freetoken

No kidding:

Hannity Omits The "Food Stamp" Facts: Most Recipients Have Jobs, Or Are Seniors Or Children

Seriously, Hannity's just the most visible of the nutbars who are absolutely convinced that Willard will come out of this looking good because, in their minds, the 53% of "makers" will all decide they're tired of carrying the 47% of "takers" and all vote for Romney.

183 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:20:25pm

Is some one looking for an actor to play Mitt?

Image: henry-czerny-3-sized.jpg

184 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:20:54pm

re: #181 HappyWarrior

Well, the leaked Romney video is turning out to be just the dog whistle the ugly-right hopes for:

Pat Buchanan: If Welfare Is Like "A Narcotic," "Obama Is A Drug Dealer Of Welfare"

185 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:21:26pm

re: #183 Kragar

Is some one looking for an actor to play Mitt?

Image: henry-czerny-3-sized.jpg

Wow I've never heard of that actor but looks wise yeah!

186 sunnygal  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:21:38pm

re: #28 DisturbedEma

What I found ridiculous in her speech at the convention, trying to make her and Mitt appear to be "one of you" was her claim that they used the ironing board for a dining table. I thought, "sure, while they were waiting for their dining set to be delivered"

187 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:22:02pm
188 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:22:03pm

re: #184 freetoken

Well, the leaked Romney video is turning out to be just the dog whistle the ugly-right hopes for:

Pat Buchanan: If Welfare Is Like "A Narcotic," "Obama Is A Drug Dealer Of Welfare"

Can always count on Pat Buchanan for ugly bullshit.

189 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:22:32pm

re: #177 Targetpractice

Speaking of The Bruce, did you hear they're rebooting the Evil Dead franchise?

God, no...

At least Campbell and Raimi are collaborating on it, even if Ash will be absent.

Still...

190 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:22:40pm

re: #183 Kragar

Is some one looking for an actor to play Mitt?

Image: henry-czerny-3-sized.jpg

Heck I would vote for that guy before Romney.

191 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:22:57pm

re: #176 prairiefire

He's too muscaly. And intelligent/sensitive.

All he'd have to do is turn off his brain, sputter lots of insincere/insensitive
platitudes, and smirk like he's got 'Tiger Blood' running through his veins, and he'll do fine.

192 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:22:57pm

re: #183 Kragar

Is some one looking for an actor to play Mitt?

Image: henry-czerny-3-sized.jpg

Perfect. Not just the looks, but the dry as fuck, "I'm the God of this universe" delivery too. Though he can manage to look angry, so it might be a tough role for him to play.

193 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:25:07pm

I was surprised by Harris being the choice for McCain because I thought Harris perhaps a little young and tall/thin for the role but he wasn't bad. They'll probably end up if they do this go with someone fairly well known because that's how you get the casual viewer drawn to watching things like this.

195 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:26:50pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Seriously, Hannity's just the most visible of the nutbars who are absolutely convinced that Willard will come out of this looking good because, in their minds, the 53% of "makers" will all decide they're tired of carrying the 47% of "takers" and all vote for Romney.

They're fucking high (or need to be)...

196 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:29:18pm

re: #194 Varek Raith


Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

Sure... In the land of raining donuts.

Mmmm, donuts...

*drools*

197 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:29:32pm
198 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:30:00pm

re: #194 Varek Raith


Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

Sure... In the land of raining donuts.

God send his campaign to hell.

199 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:30:07pm

re: #182 Targetpractice

Didn't Sean Hannity sing Beauty School Dropout in Grease? /

200 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:30:29pm

re: #195 Gert Fröbe

They're fucking high (or need to be)...

Their biggest problem is that they don't get high.

201 sagehen  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:30:51pm

re: #183 Kragar

Is some one looking for an actor to play Mitt?

Image: henry-czerny-3-sized.jpg

Gordon Gekko, of course.

Image: gordon-gecko-fashion-4.jpg

202 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:30:56pm

re: #198 darthstar

God send his campaign to hell.

Well, it appears as if that video is giving Romney some credibility with the atavistic right, that he's one of "them".

203 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:31:18pm

re: #195 Gert Fröbe

They're fucking high (or need to be)...

Times I wish I was, just so half the shit they try to say made any sense. One just responded to my questioning him why, if Willard is such hot shit as a candidate, is he not walking away with this election. The response was that (paraphrase) Willard's right, the 47% are solidly in Obama's corner, and that's how it's gonna be until the government collapses.

I picked the wrong week to quit drinking.//

204 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:31:21pm

re: #194 Varek Raith


Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

Sure... In the land of raining donuts.

Oh no he's right. We should encourage them.

Mitt Romney doesn't care about half of America.

[Ominous music.]

"I'm Mitt Romney, and I approve this message."

Paul Ryan rebukes.

Film @ 11.

//

205 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:32:07pm

re: #201 sagehen

Gordon Gekko, of course.

Image: gordon-gecko-fashion-4.jpg

Now there's a possibility, Michael Douglas as Mitt Romney. He'd just be playing Gordon Gekko all over again, so it wouldn't be really that much a stretch.

206 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:32:48pm

re: #203 Targetpractice

Might be fun to go to a Romney rally on shrooms.

207 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:34:57pm

Gekko had flair.
Romney is as exciting as boiled ice-burg lettuce.

208 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:34:58pm

re: #206 darthstar

Might be fun to go to a Romney rally on shrooms.

No, almost as easy to go paranoid as on LSD...

No, I won't talk about why I think that...

209 sagehen  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:35:26pm

The SNL cold opening was pretty funny last Saturday, but it's even funnier today:


[Link: www.hulu.com...]

210 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:37:43pm
211 Petero1818  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:38:25pm

re: #163 freetoken

For example:

Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

Living in the echo chamber has that effect. The reality is that this will be revived at the debate. I expect Obama to throw it right in his face. To make him either acknowledge that he he called minimum wage earners, retirees, and others that pay no federal income tax due to tax cuts they received under Republican administrations irresponsible and lazy or he will force Mitt to retreat and look weak in the moment and stupid for not doing it sooner.

212 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:38:40pm

re: #208 William Barnett-Lewis

No, almost as easy to go paranoid as on LSD...

No, I won't talk about why I think that...

I only got paranoid on mushrooms maybe a half-dozen times...the rest of my trips were mostly pleasant...but there was often that 15-30 minutes as they were kicking in that I wondered, Have I taken too much? Usually the answer was yes, but one I puked and drank another couple of beers and smoked a couple of bowls of good pot I was usually fine and the next four to six hours were quite enjoyable.

213 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:38:59pm

Gonna go OT for a moment here. I want to offer a toast to an absent friend tonight. See, today would have been my mother's 70th birthday.

Cheers!

214 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:39:00pm

re: #160 Gert Fröbe

Something very primal and bowel-shaking about the sound of a B-52 flying at you, then away from you.

I was an eyewitness to several Arc Light strikes in Vietnam. There is really no describing it but the bowel shaking part is the literal truth.

215 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:39:05pm

re: #75 Mocking Jay

A genuinely interesting story, full of shit I did not know.

[Embedded content]

Man, f that ethanol business... Growing food to power cars... Sick, stupid stuff, and it screws motorcyclists big-time, if true. My bike's tank is about four gallons *total*, typical fill-up is about two gallons for me... So if I try to be more efficient by commuting on my 50+mpg bike, I get kicked by the corn gas people?

I don't know how they think they can get away with this crap.

216 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:39:32pm

re: #211 Petero1818

Well, the Salem Communications outlets are really trumpeting Romney's "47%" statement, claiming not only it is true but that 76% of Americans polled agree with it!

217 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:39:34pm

re: #213 William Barnett-Lewis

Gonna go OT for a moment here. I want to offer a toast to an absent friend tonight. See, today would have been my mother's 70th birthday.

Cheers!

Cheers to your mom.

218 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:40:03pm

Michelle Malkin needs a calming drink. She's overdosing on vituperation.

“There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what,” Romney explained to an audience member who asked how the candidate was going to change the “we’ll take care of you” mentality of Obama voters. “All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it…And they will vote for this president no matter what.”

Romney went out to explain that this portion of voters was comprised of “people who pay no income tax…I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

He’s talking, of course, about the Peggy the Moochers and Henrietta Hugheses of the world – savior-based Obama supporters for whom the cult of personality trumps all else. He’s talking about the Sandra Flukes and Julias of the world – Nanny State grievance-mongers who have been spoon-fed identity politics and victim Olympics from preschool through grad school and beyond. And he’s talking about the encrusted entitlement clientele who range from the Section 8 housing mob in Atlanta that caused a near-riot to the irresponsible debt-ridden homeowners who mortgaged themselves into oblivion and want their bailout now, now, now.

219 Mich-again  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:40:29pm

Wading through RSM's blog is a hoot.

. How many of the purported Republicans and/or conservatives that have been pronouncing Romney a sure loser in the last three weeks are among those that, during the primaries, said the GOP had to nominate him because he was the only one who could win?
Of those, how many have close ties to Jeb Bush?
If Jeb ever wants to be President, Romney needs to lose this election.
As Stacy sometimes says, “I’m just askin’ . . .”

hardeharhar!!

220 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:41:00pm

re: #216 freetoken

Well, the Salem Communications outlets are really trumpeting Romney's "47%" statement, claiming not only it is true but that 76% of Americans polled agree with it!

Haha, I think I saw a tweet with a number like that. It was based on a simple online poll featured on CNBC's website (Do you approve of Romney's statement? Yes or no?). Like the polls that always showed Ron Paul was going to crush everyone in every election.

221 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:41:04pm

EIEIO!

222 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:41:14pm

re: #210 Varek Raith

Image: Tornoe-20120918-Romney47.jpg

Fucking aye! All I can say is, fascinating.

223 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:43:28pm

re: #218 jaunte

Michelle Malkin needs a calming drink. She's overdosing on vituperation.

Delusion is a hell of a drug.

224 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:43:58pm

Look out! Poop!

[Sound of screeching tires.]

//

225 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:44:43pm

re: #220 JamesWI

Yup. Townhall headline:


CNBC Poll: 75% Agree With Romney's 47% Comments

226 jaunte  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:45:56pm

re: #223 HappyWarrior

Savior-based Nanny-State grievance-mongers spoon-fed identity-politic-victim Olympic-encrusted entitlement-hyphen-wasting-clientele!

227 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:45:59pm

re: #225 freetoken

Yup. Townhall headline:

CNBC Poll: 75% Agree With Romney's 47% Comments

And then watch Townhall try to ignore and dismiss actual polls that have a high number(bet not that high) disagreeing with it.

228 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:46:18pm

re: #225 freetoken

Yup. Townhall headline:

CNBC Poll: 75% Agree With Romney's 47% Comments

Alright folks, let's pack it in. An online poll shows the majority of Americans agree with Romney's comment. Time to move on.

///

229 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:46:38pm

re: #225 freetoken

Yup. Townhall headline:

CNBC Poll: 75% Agree With Romney's 47% Comments

No, the poll isn't scientific, but it is an indication of the media running with a narrative opposite of what the country actually believes...again.

Or it's a sign that wingnuts got the word out that there was a poll on CNBC and rushed to vote. But yeah, your option sounds much more likely....//

(Edit: That blockquote combination makes it look like I'm talking to freetoken when I say "your" .... obviously, I was talking to the Townhall talking-head.)

230 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:47:15pm

re: #228 Targetpractice

Alright folks, let's pack it in. An online poll shows the majority of Americans agree with Romney's comment. Time to move on.

///

That's what it was?
An online poll?
Well then, congratulation President for Life Ron Paul!

231 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:47:30pm

re: #225 freetoken

Yup. Townhall headline:

CNBC Poll: 75% Agree With Romney's 47% Comments

In 2000, I voted for Pat Buchanan on a CBS online poll 37,000 times in 25 minutes - moving him from 3% to 14%, while driving Bush from 33% down to 25% and Gore from 27% to 34%...then CBS blocked the IP subnet for the company where I was doing a training gig. When I got home that evening, the poll was off their web-site. I considered that a victory over stupid online polls that have no scientific merit.

232 Petero1818  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:49:20pm

re: #231 darthstar

We should all be voting that we agree with Romney. Let these idiots run with it for a while longer.

233 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:49:27pm

Online polls are about who gets to them first. Pretty laughable that Townhall is actually using that to rationalize Mitt's comments. Really as much as I think what Mitt said was shitty, I would be shocked if that same number disapproved of what he said. I expect over 50% to do so but 70%, yeah right.

234 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:49:34pm

re: #194 Varek Raith


Hannity Says Video Of Romney's 47 Percent Remarks "In The End, Will Be Seen As A Godsend" For Romney

Sure... In the land of raining donuts.

There's that God guy again.

Pretty sure their god of choice told people to give away their stuff? Rich man, eye of a needle, something something?

Come on Mittsie, join us down here among the 47%...

235 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:51:03pm

re: #234 Pawn of the Oppressor

There's that God guy again.

Pretty sure their god of choice told people to give away their stuff? Rich man, eye of a needle, something something?

Come on Mittsie, join us down here among the 47%...

This is the same God who told most of this year's also-rans to run in the Republican primaries.

I'm pretty sure the guy's either a registered Democrat or just has a sick sense of humor.

236 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:51:12pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

That's what it was?
An online poll?
Well then, congratulation Emperor Jesus President Savior for Life Ron Paul!

Fixed with respect :).

237 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:51:25pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Online polls are about who gets to them first. Pretty laughable that Townhall is actually using that to rationalize Mitt's comments. Really as much as I think what Mitt said was shitty, I would be shocked if that same number disapproved of what he said. I expect over 50% to do so but 70%, yeah right.

Next they're going to judge how the story is being perceived by counting the "thumbs-up" and "thumbs-down" ratings in Yahoo comment sections. "We know it's not scientific, but obviously it clearly shows that people really do think this"

238 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:52:05pm

re: #231 darthstar

In 2000, I voted for Pat Buchanan on a CBS online poll 37,000 times in 25 minutes - moving him from 3% to 14%, while driving Bush from 33% down to 25% and Gore from 27% to 34%...then CBS blocked the IP subnet for the company where I was doing a training gig. When I got home that evening, the poll was off their web-site. I considered that a victory over stupid online polls that have no scientific merit.

Fuck you man! Stop making me laugh.

//

239 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:52:40pm

re: #237 JamesWI

Next they're going to judge how the story is being perceived by counting the "thumbs-up" and "thumbs-down" ratings in Yahoo comment sections. "We know it's not scientific, but obviously it clearly shows that people really do think this"

Or typing in "Obama sucks" gets more results than "Romney sucks." It's like the Ali G when he thought he could make a gazillion dollars with his ice cream glove.

240 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:53:20pm
241 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:54:59pm

re: #234 Pawn of the Oppressor

There's that God guy again.

Pretty sure their god of choice told people to give away their stuff? Rich man, eye of a needle, something something?

Come on Mittsie, join us down here among the 47%...

If Jesus were to show up, these turds would be too busy making "tase the dirty hippie" jokes to notice.

242 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:55:52pm

re: #241 Kragar

If Jesus were to show up, these turds would be too busy making "tase the dirty hippie" jokes to notice.

"Shave that beard and cut that hair hippie!"

243 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:56:03pm

re: #235 Targetpractice

This is the same God who told most of this year's also-rans to run in the Republican primaries.

I'm pretty sure the guy's either a registered Democrat or just has a sick sense of humor.

"I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours
But I think that God's got a sick sense of humor
And when I die I expect to find Him laughing"

244 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:56:39pm

I believe in a one state solution. Israelis and Palestinian living together in peace. But I know that dream won't come true.

245 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:57:08pm

re: #239 HappyWarrior

Or typing in "Obama sucks" gets more results than "Romney sucks." It's like the Ali G when he thought he could make a gazillion dollars with his ice cream glove.

Heh...
I remember when Ali G almost got punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin.
He kept calling him Buzz Lightyear.

246 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:57:28pm

Mitt Romney's a clown.

247 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:57:40pm

re: #238 Gus

Fuck you man! Stop making me laugh.

//

Speaking of scientific polls...remember this one?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

248 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:57:50pm

re: #245 Reverend Mother Ramallo

Heh...
I remember when Ali G almost got punched in the face by Buzz Aldrin.
He kept calling him Buzz Lightyear.

He also asked him if it was true that some people deny that there's a moon at all. By the way the ice cream glove episode also had Donald Trump in it. Brief appearance.

249 Petero1818  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:58:10pm

interesting piece here: [Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

250 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:58:37pm

re: #247 darthstar

Speaking of scientific polls...remember this one?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Heck no!

251 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:58:40pm

re: #238 Gus

Fuck you man! Stop making me laugh.

//

All I had to do was suppress images and do HTTP Posts with 25 virtual users. It was quite simple...and fun.

252 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:59:10pm

re: #215 Pawn of the Oppressor

Man, f that ethanol business... Growing food to power cars... Sick, stupid stuff, and it screws motorcyclists big-time, if true. My bike's tank is about four gallons *total*, typical fill-up is about two gallons for me... So if I try to be more efficient by commuting on my 50+mpg bike, I get kicked by the corn gas people?

I don't know how they think they can get away with this crap.

NO FOOD FOR OIL!

253 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:59:17pm

re: #241 Kragar

If Jesus were to show up, these turds would be too busy making "tase the dirty hippie" jokes to notice.

Nah...since Jesus was most likely a dark-skinned Middle Eastern man (and not a blond-haired, blue-eyed white dude), they'd want to throw him into Gitmo for looking like a Muslim terrorist.

254 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:00:12pm

re: #247 darthstar

Speaking of scientific polls...remember this one?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Totally biased! There's no choice for Ron Paul there!!!

///

255 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:00:22pm

re: #241 Kragar

If Jesus were to show up, these turds would be too busy making "tase the dirty hippie" jokes to notice.

Now understanding that I'm an atheist and I don't believe a word of the supernatural business in the Christian Bible or any other... although I have been re-reading the New Testament lately***... If I'm going to imagine Jesus as the person described by the Gospels, most particularly Matthew and Mark, I'm pretty sure he'd have ended up on the receiving end of a police beat-down at the RNC, and the usual suspects would be tweeting about how he was asking for it because of what he was wearing.

I think Mitt and the GOP in general are the kind of people that J-man was generally philosophically hostile towards. Cloistered, rich, arrogant, and uncaring.

*** I'm so sick of these people walking around with crosses on their chest like it entitles them to my vote, I had to go back and re-read just to see what they claim to be endorsing. To me the Gospels seem to have multiple Jesus-es in them, each with a different personality and theme, but there's one in particular who I really, really don't believe would have approved of the Republican party in general...

256 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:04:45pm

Damn. Romney's a shallow man.

257 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:04:49pm

re: #255 Pawn of the Oppressor

Now understanding that I'm an atheist and I don't believe a word of the supernatural business in the Christian Bible or any other... although I have been re-reading the New Testament lately... If I'm going to imagine Jesus as the person described by the Gospels, most particularly Matthew and Mark, I'm pretty sure he'd have ended up on the receiving end of a police beat-down at the RNC, and the usual suspects would be tweeting about how he was asking for it because of what he was wearing.

I think Mitt and the GOP in general are the kind of people that J-man was generally philosophically hostile towards. Cloistered, rich, arrogant, and uncaring.

"Liberal Activist Tries to Rush Stage at Republican Convention: Reported As Calling For 'Money-Changers' to Be Cast Out."

258 palomino  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:04:53pm

If other recent presidents haven't succeeded in uniting Americans, how the hell will the Romney have a hope in hell of doing such a thing?

His remarks betray a contempt for people who he, wrongly in most cases, think have no personal responsibility. And he's lumped in the working poor, elderly, college students, even the working class that does pay fed taxes (payroll) into one giant group of leeches living off the hard work of people like himself. How does a guy who dismisses half the country claim the ability to represent all its people?

Scariest of all he still may win; he shouldn't of course, but if he can convince enough RW identity voters that he's "one of them," there's certainly still a shot.

259 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:07:23pm

re: #257 Targetpractice

"Liberal Activist Tries to Rush Stage at Republican Convention: Reported As Calling For 'Money-Changers' to Be Cast Out."

"JEWISH LEFTIST DISRUPTS ROMNEY SPEECH: 'Jesus' seen meeting with tax officials before convention, may be Obama administration plant"

260 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:08:03pm

Wait a minute. Romney says, "government should give it to them." Damn. He's all over the place. Romney's a freak.

261 Petero1818  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:09:45pm

re: #258 palomino

somehow yesterdays gallup have them one point apart. Not sure how that is possible.

262 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:10:13pm

re: #256 Gus

Damn. Romney's a shallow man.

Many of us were really turned off by him in 2008, and he's spent 4 years digging in even deeper into the "shallowness" pond.

263 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:10:35pm

G'night all.

Thanks.

264 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:11:08pm

re: #249 Petero1818

interesting piece here: [Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

"Ramesh Ponnuru"??? With a name like that, he must not be 'Murican! Why would Romney listen to this foreign RINO?"

265 Mocking Jay  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:12:28pm

re: #145 Gus

LOL

[Embedded content]

I still don't understand how Jenna Jameson can support Mr. Anti-porn. It's like Gays for Santorum.

266 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:12:42pm

re: #262 freetoken

Many of us were really turned off by him in 2008, and he's spent 4 years digging in even deeper into the "shallowness" pond.

These people are scum. Mitt Romney is a scumbag.

267 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:12:58pm

re: #259 Pawn of the Oppressor

"JEWISH LEFTIST DISRUPTS ROMNEY SPEECH: 'Jesus' seen meeting with tax officials before convention, may be Obama administration plant"

"Convention Disruptor Admitted 'Big Government' Supporter: Tells Listeners 'Render Unto Caesar That Which Is Caesar's.'"

268 Gus  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:13:00pm

re: #265 Mocking Jay

I still don't understand how Jenna Jameson can support Mr. Anti-porn. It's like Gays for Santorum.

She's an idiot.

269 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:13:12pm

re: #265 Mocking Jay

I still don't understand how Jenna Jameson can support Mr. Anti-porn. It's like Gays for Santorum.

$$$$ but yeah.

270 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:13:18pm

re: #198 darthstar

God send his campaign to hell.

I think your avatar rocks, darthstar.

271 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:13:54pm

re: #261 Petero1818

somehow yesterdays gallup have them one point apart. Not sure how that is possible.

Because it's a (I believe) seven day tracking poll. Meaning the events of the previous day have little-to-nothing to do with the results of the next day's poll.

For example, right after the DNC, all the tracking polls were still showing a close Obama lead or a slight Romney lead. After a few days, the polls caught up to the convention.

In this case, the Gallup poll is showing the heat from Romney's Libya fuckup dying down in the day or two before the video came out.

272 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:15:16pm

re: #5 HappyWarrior

I can't wait for the book and movie.

this will be sure to be one of the best selling inside the campaign books ever

remember how popular disaster movies used to be?

273 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:16:27pm

re: #272 engineer cat

this will be sure to be one of the best selling inside the campaign books ever

remember how popular disaster movies used to be?

Romney 2012

/I wonder if we can get George Kennedy

274 Petero1818  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:17:15pm

re: #271 JamesWI

Because it's a (I believe) seven day tracking poll. Meaning the events of the previous day have little-to-nothing to do with the results of the next day's poll.

For example, right after the DNC, all the tracking polls were still showing a close Obama lead or a slight Romney lead. After a few days, the polls caught up to the convention.

In this case, the Gallup poll is showing the heat from Romney's Libya fuckup dying down in the day or two before the video came out.

But the Egypt/Libya stuff should have shown up and I would have thought it would have also had an impact.

275 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:17:25pm

1)pays little or no taxes
2) takes no personal responsibility
3)cries victim for perceived injustice
Sounds an awful lot like Mitt to me.

276 Lidane  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:18:51pm

re: #249 Petero1818

interesting piece here: [Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

Related:

277 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:19:35pm

re: #274 Petero1818

But the Egypt/Libya stuff should have shown up and I would have thought it would have also had an impact.

Very likely did. And let's be honest, as much as we liked how Obama and Clinton handled the whole crisis, there's a lot of folks in the electorate who saw differently. They may not have agreed with Willard, but that don't necessarily mean they thought Obama blameless.

278 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:20:24pm

re: #268 Gus

She's an idiot.

She's rich. Rich people are better off with under Republicans.

279 dragonath  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:20:39pm
"If somebody is dumb enough to ask me to go to political convention and say something, they're gonna have to take what they get."

-- Clint Eastwood, quoted by TMZ, responding to criticisms of his speech at the Republican convention.

This is a weird campaign season.

280 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:21:27pm

re: #274 Petero1818

But the Egypt/Libya stuff should have shown up and I would have thought it would have also had an impact.

It did. The convention bounce had basically every poll up around +5 to +7 range for Obama. Then it started to die down a bit and he lost a couple points. Then Romney stuck his foot in his mouth (Sept. 12th) and the polls jumped back up (except for Rasmussen, of course). Then the heat from his fuckup started to die down in the couple days before the video came out, so the polls dropped back down a couple points.

I'm guessing tomorrow will start to see a little bit of 47% creeping into the polls, but it will probably be Thursday, Friday, or Saturday before we can really see how big it was.

281 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:22:02pm

how bad is it going to get in the last few weeks?

Romney Regrets Wording Of "Servant Class" Remark

Romney Says Praise For Hitler "Taken Out Of Context"

Romney Says Remarks Describing Obama As "Reptilian Invader" Merely A Figure Of Speech

282 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:22:31pm

re: #276 Lidane

Talk about an uphill battle.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:22:45pm

re: #265 Mocking Jay

I still don't understand how Jenna Jameson can support Mr. Anti-porn. It's like Gays for Santorum.

My husband is pretty sure she's trolling him.

284 Petero1818  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:24:44pm

re: #276 Lidane

Related:

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Dude may want to switch parties. As Santorum pointed out there really is no place in the GOP for "smart" folks.

285 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:26:42pm

#MoneyBooBoo - fucking priceless.

286 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:27:10pm

re: #270 prairiefire

I think your avatar rocks, darthstar.

I prefer 'grooves'...but thank you.

287 darthstar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:28:01pm
288 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:29:32pm

re: #285 darthstar

#MoneyBooBoo - fucking priceless.

[Embedded content]

LEAVE MITTNEY ALONE!!!

289 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:31:22pm

re: #284 Petero1818

Dude may want to switch parties. As Santorum pointed out there really is no place in the GOP for "smart" folks.

Santorum says GOP constituents are dumb...
Money Boo Boo (that's a keeper) says Dems are moochers...
Those two sure know how to show the voters respect.
//

290 dragonath  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:35:53pm

Love how establishment Republicans are trying to walk back the cultural shame tactics that crawled their way to the top of the conversation. It's like trying to attract bees to muriatic acid.

291 Reverend Mother Ramallo  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:36:04pm

Well.
Busy day getting out the vote tomorrow so have a good night everyone.

292 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:36:25pm

re: #274 Petero1818

But the Egypt/Libya stuff should have shown up and I would have thought it would have also had an impact.

gallup had obama down by a point for a week before the republican convention. they've been giving obama a low margin all along

293 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:39:28pm

re: #290 dragonath

Love how establishment Republicans are trying to walk back the cultural shame tactics that crawled their way to the top of the conversation. It's like trying to attract bees to muriatic acid.

Meanwhile, the wingnuts are screaming bloody murder at such attempts to walk-back and declaring that the GOP should be pushing this shit, not running away from it.

294 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:40:23pm

re: #160 Gert Fröbe

Something very primal and bowel-shaking about the sound of a B-52 flying at you, then away from you.

Couldn't see the Reg # on it, but I flew a bunch of H-models and may have had time in that plane. But that was just a go-around.

Wait until you see one, gear and flaps up at 500' and coming at you at 480 knots when the bomb doors open...

I have become death, the destroyer of worlds.

Oh, and Mittenz is a complete putz.

295 HappyWarrior  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:42:53pm

[Link: www.theonion.com...]
Haha.

296 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:44:05pm

latest romney campaign tactic: "democrats voting for romney"

the text of these resemble comments of concern trolls, from which they were probably cribbed

297 Big Joe  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:44:43pm

re: #241 Kragar

If Jesus were to show up, these turds would be too busy making "tase the dirty hippie" jokes to notice.

Oh, speaking of tase the dirty hippie, have you seen tase the soverign citizen? Warning, long video, you can click ahead through it till 3:00 minutes.

298 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:44:52pm

re: #295 HappyWarrior

[Link: www.theonion.com...]
Haha.

"I was born a poor, black child..."

299 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:46:48pm

Alpha Natural closing 8 coal mines in the East

Coal producer Alpha Natural Resources said Tuesday it was cutting production by 16 million tons and eliminating 1,200 jobs companywide, laying off 400 workers immediately by closing mines in Virginia, West Virginia and Pennsylvania.

[...]

Company spokesman Ted Pile said most of the displaced workers may eventually be rehired, either assigned to new jobs in other locations or replacing outside contractors. Only 150 workers in West Virginia and three in Pennsylvania will not have any other employment opportunities with the company, he said.

[...]

Crutchfield said the shutdowns and layoffs are a necessary part of ensuring Alpha survives in what has become a difficult U.S. market, where coal companies face a dual challenge: Power plants are shifting to cheap, abundant natural gas, while companies like his face "a regulatory environment that's aggressively aimed at constraining the use of coal."

[...]

Politicians -- mostly Republican -- across the coalfields were quick to pounce on the announcement as further evidence that President Barack Obama's administration is waging a "war on coal" through new air-pollution standards, but many U.S. power companies have long planned to close or convert some of their aging, inefficient coal-fired plants.

"A group of government bureaucrats have decided the coal industry isn't something that they like, so they're going to try to force it out of business," said U.S. Rep. Morgan Griffith, R-Va. "This is appalling, and it must stop."

It's things like this that can still lead to Romney winning. Ultimately, Romney's indifference to the masses isn't as important as figuring out how to channel the frustrations of the masses to vote for a completely fictitious entity.

300 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:47:22pm

Romney Apologizes To Nation's 150 Million 'Starving, Filthy Beggars'

Saying that he deeply regretted his choice of words at a private $50,000-a-plate fundraising function in May—during which he argued “[his] job is not to worry” about the lower-earning half of the nation’s populace—Romney personally appealed to the country’s “dirt-caked garbage pickers and toothless street urchins” for forgiveness.

“First and foremost, I would like to offer a heartfelt apology to all the whores, junkies, bums, and grime-covered derelicts out there who make up nearly half our nation,” a visibly contrite and solemn Romney said outside a campaign stop at a local high school. “Let me assure you that I in no way meant to offend any of the putrid-smelling, barefoot masses out there. My campaign is not about dividing this nation, but about bringing all sides together—the rich, elegant members of the upper class, as well as the 47 percent who are covered in flies and eat directly from back-alley dumpsters.”

“I am fully committed to building a better future for every American,” Romney continued, “and that means ensuring all 150 million grease-and-urine-soaked members of our society get a fair shake.”

The Romney campaign reportedly scrambled into damage-control mode after the video leaked Monday, issuing a statement late last night stating that the intended target of Romney’s remarks was ingrained big-government largesse, not the “hordes of uneducated, loathsome scum who unfortunately populate this country.”

301 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:48:35pm
302 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:49:35pm

Romney Campaign Sends In Champion Of The Poor Paul Ryan For Damage Control

According to sources, Romney’s advisers have dispatched the modern-day Robin Hood to speak to voters in the most economically downtrodden regions of the country, where thousands of working-class Americans are already lining up outside the venues of Ryan’s upcoming rallies to don T-shirts and wave handmade signs in support of the selfless guardian of the poverty-stricken.

“Paul Ryan sticks up for us when no one else will, everyone knows that,” said 49-year-old unemployed construction worker Vernon Fletcher, calling Ryan a true beacon of hope for the nation’s impoverished. “He’s in it to the last round, fighting tooth and nail for every struggling, blue-collar man and woman in America. He’s done it time and time again, and he’s done it again today.”

“Obviously, I have my reservations about Romney, especially after he basically labeled me as a government-dependent freeloader,” Fletcher continued. “But Paul Ryan—that guy definitely has our back.”

Across the country, millions of the nation’s poorest citizens were reportedly elated at the sight of the celebrated scourge of privilege and greed emerging to once more take up their cause, inspiring the needy with his words of comfort and support and his famously common touch.

303 MittDoesNotCompute  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:57:47pm

re: #294 austin_blue

Couldn't see the Reg # on it, but I flew a bunch of H-models and may have had time in that plane. But that was just a go-around.

Wait until you see one, gear and flaps up at 500' and coming at you at 480 knots when the bomb doors open...

I have become death, the destroyer of worlds.

Oh, and Mittenz is a complete putz.

Wassup, Major Kong?

///

304 Targetpractice  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 10:58:38pm

re: #299 freetoken

Alpha Natural closing 8 coal mines in the East

It's things like this that can still lead to Romney winning. Ultimately, Romney's indifference to the masses isn't as important as figuring out how to channel the frustrations of the masses to vote for a completely fictitious entity.

Thing is, I'm okay with a "war on coal." The sooner we get off it, the sooner we start making a big step towards tackling AGW.

305 JamesWI  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:07:04pm

Good comment I just saw in the comment sections on an Atlantic story:

Why is it that when a rich person like Romney pays few or no taxes, conservatives defend him as simply using the tax laws to his advantage? Remember, he got a deduction for his wife's horse.....

But when poor people pay few or no taxes through deductions for things like
children or medical care, they are called free loaders?

306 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:08:06pm

re: #305 JamesWI

Because rich people are supposed to be rich because God is rewarding them.

So there.

307 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:15:36pm

re: #300 Kragar

Romney Apologizes To Nation's 150 Million 'Starving, Filthy Beggars'

That is one of the funniest things Onion has ever produced, which is saying a lot. “'Snaggle-toothed street people' and 'hell-spawned savages'” was my favorite. Like any really funny satire there is a strong element of truth in it. Many wingnuts and money grubbers only see someone to whom they can feel superior, rather than someone who wasn't so fortunate.
I've worked hard all my life and I am said to have a certain degree of innate talent, but I never forget that dumb luck and government programs like the GI Bill have been big factors in my success.

308 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:23:52pm

If you'll excuse me for mentioning the robber-baron car that resides in my garage, I think I know how to make a point about government programs. I am going to find out if I can get "GI BILL" vanity plates for my Rolls-Royce. The term itself is undoubtedly taken but a combination with a 2 digit number should be available. Some nitwit would probably take it to mean that my name is Bill, but at least some will get it.

309 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:24:48pm

French Mag to Publish Cartoons of Prophet Mohammed

The magazine "Charlie Hebdo" has confirmed that it will publish the cartoons, but has not revealed what they will depict. French newspaper "Le Monde" reports that some of the cartoons show the prophet in "particularly explicit poses," without providing any further detail.

The move comes as Muslims are still simmering after riots in Egypt, Libya, Tunisia and nearly 20 other countries over the move "Innocence of Muslims." U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans died during an attack on the U.S. consulate in Benghazi, Libya.

French government ministers have criticized the magazine's decision and police in Paris have stepped up security around its offices.

310 freetoken  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:27:45pm
311 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:31:11pm

re: #309 Kragar

French Mag to Publish Cartoons of Prophet Mohammed

Can't they get any pictures of a naked Duchess?

Sheesh.

312 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:36:37pm
313 Kragar  Tue, Sep 18, 2012 11:56:47pm

a true classic of rock

314 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:10:07am

The best job in the world?

(A very clever way to do a male breast cancer awareness spot)

315 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:11:33am

re: #314 Tiny Alien Kitties are Watching You

The best job in the world?

[Embedded content]

(A very clever way to do a male breast cancer awareness spot)

That guy is funny as hell on IT Crowd.

316 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:19:50am

This is... THE INTERNET!

317 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:27:15am

Really enjoying Obama's interview on the Late Show with David Letterman. Such a calm speaker, and Dave's asked more hardball questions than Mitt Romney has faced in the last year.

318 Targetpractice  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:37:34am

Another poll the wingnuts will no doubt accuse of being inaccurate:

Poll: Obama job approval rising, race still tight

WASHINGTON (AP) — Americans are feeling markedly better about the country's future and about Barack Obama's job performance, but the president's re-election race against Republican Mitt Romney remains a neck-and-neck proposition as Election Day creeps ever closer, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll.

Buoyed by good mojo coming out of last month's national political conventions, Obama's approval rating is back above 50 percent for the first time since May, and the share of Americans who think the country is moving in the right direction is at its highest level since just after the death of Osama bin Laden in May 2011.

Romney, his campaign knocked off-stride in recent weeks, has lost his pre-convention edge on the top issue of the campaign — the economy.

But, like with most good news, it's tempered with a dose of reality:

The poll results vividly underscore the importance that turnout will play in determining the victor in Campaign 2012: Among all adults, Obama has a commanding lead, favored by 52 percent of Americans to just 37 percent for Romney. Yet among those most likely to vote, the race is drum tight.

Obama is supported by 47 percent of likely voters and Romney by 46 percent, promising an all-out fight to the finish by the two campaigns to gin up enthusiasm among core supporters and dominate get-out-the-vote operations. That's an area where Obama claimed a strong advantage in 2008 and Republicans reigned four years earlier.

It can't be emphasized enough, this election's gonna come down to which side can motivate enough people to the polls and that's why, if you can, get out there and beat the bushes to get anybody you know who's even on the fence about voting this year to the voting booth.

319 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:43:49am
320 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 12:43:52am

re: #318 Targetpractice

Scheduling our second GOTV foray into Florida. Gray-haired old commies have a few advantages.

321 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:17:29am

Romney Campaign Borrowed $20 Million

Before the Republican National Convention, Mitt Romney was the Republican nominee in all but name. By law, however, he could only spend primary donations until he officially became nominee. To increase cash flow during the interregnum, the Romney campaign borrowed $20 million.

“We realized that we could collateralize this debt with $20 million of general-election funds that were already sitting in our bank account,” a senior Romney aide says, speaking exclusively with National Review Online.

“This is permitted by Federal Election Commission rules,” the aide explains. “In the past, the FEC has specifically contemplated candidates putting up their public financing payments as collateral.” Since Romney is not taking public funds, his finance team found another option.

322 researchok  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:18:15am

Morning, all

323 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:22:46am

re: #321 Kragar

Romney Campaign Borrowed $20 Million

In Romney's world, moving money from one pocket to another is called "productive work".

324 researchok  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 1:25:54am

re: #310 freetoken

This stuff really grows on you.

It's just...different in Japanese.

I recall you once said when you don't understand the lyrics, you focus more on the music.

Absolutely true.

325 terraincognita  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:15:51am

The social malady that inhabits Romney's spirit has been elucidated upon over two thousand years ago by Horace, Roman poet in Sermones

Why do you look so sharp on others' ills,
Malignant man, yet overlook your own?

326 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:38:21am
327 freetoken  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:24:23am
328 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:33:37am

Alaska to Pay Residents Smallest Oil Trust Dividend since 2005

Excellent! Let's start getting them weaned off of government dependency!!!

329 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:47:14am
If somebody is dumb enough to ask me to go to political convention and say something, they're gonna have to take what they get.

- Clint Eastwood.

Trollololol much?

XD

330 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 3:58:18am

Three wet pussies
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
The one on the left I think is a gremlin.

331 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:06:12am

Morning Honcos.

332 sagehen  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:10:49am

re: #330 Tommy's cone of shame

Three wet pussies
[Link: www.timesunion.com...]
The one on the left I think is a gremlin.

How low must the crime rate be in that town for "kittens abandoned, left on sidewalk in laundry basket" to be considered newsworthy?

333 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:12:26am

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

334 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:16:01am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

No, no.
Just. No.

335 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:18:53am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

Proof of what gay marriage can lead to!

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:19:55am

re: #334 Varek Raith

No, no.
Just. No.

He was very descriptive while talking to the police.

337 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:21:25am

Well, I can also state that I haven't had sex in a donkey's....

338 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:22:38am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

If we're gonna be honest here, that donkey looks pretty happy, too.

339 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:22:49am

What could possibly go wrong?
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

340 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:24:02am

re: #338 BongCrodny

If we're gonna be honest here, that donkey looks pretty happy, too.

I thought that putting the black out stripe over the donkey's eyes was a nice touch.

341 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:26:02am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

...and I had to give some serious thought to whether I even dared to upding you for this.

342 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:29:00am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

Before I even clicked the link, I assumed it would be a story out of Florida. Sure enough...

343 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:31:16am

re: #302 Kragar

Romney Campaign Sends In Champion Of The Poor Paul Ryan For Damage Control

That's like sending in the Marines to break up a fight among sailors.

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:35:24am

re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar

What could possibly go wrong?
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

France to close embassies in fear of cartoon backlash
France announced Wednesday it will close 20 embassies across the Muslim world on Friday after French weekly Charlie Hebdo published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed naked, amid growing unrest over an anti-Islamic film that has left dozens dead.
[Link: www.france24.com...]

345 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:36:12am

re: #261 Petero1818

somehow yesterdays gallup have them one point apart. Not sure how that is possible.

That's kind of scaring me a bit, too. It seems to take non-stop fuck-ups by Romney to keep Obama in the lead.

346 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:47:35am

re: #339 Cannadian Club Akbar

What could possibly go wrong?
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

again - we are dealing with politically and socially backwards parts of the world in which the uneducated massess assume that anything published, broadcast or distributed must have the government's approval.

and in which the educated masses know better but are happy to use the situation to stir up the masses.

but regardless of the consequences, we cannot start curtailing freedom of speech just because it might be used as a means for educated cynics to rile up uneducated fundamentalists...

347 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 4:55:20am

re: #346 Expand Your Ground

again - we are dealing with politically and socially backwards parts of the world in which the uneducated massess assume that anything published, broadcast or distributed must have the government's approval.

and in which the educated masses know better but are happy to use the situation to stir up the masses.

but regardless of the consequences, we cannot start curtailing freedom of speech just because it might be used as a means for educated cynics to rile up uneducated fundamentalists...

You mean like right wing media does to the backwards uneducated masses in the US?
On the way home last night, AM radio (John Batchelor show), Victor Davis Hansen was basically going full metal wingnut: US looks weak, Obama blames Bush, we should not apologize for shit and plant 3 aircraft carrier groups in the ME.

348 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:06:20am

re: #347 Kronocide

You mean like right wing media does to the backwards uneducated masses in the US?
On the way home last night, AM radio (John Batchelor show), Victor Davis Hansen was basically going full metal wingnut: US looks weak, Obama blames Bush, we should not apologize for shit and plant 3 aircraft carrier groups in the ME.

the main difference being that the undereducated masses in the USA have not risen up in arms (yet).

349 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:07:21am

The irony is astounding. Wingnuts make Religion of Peace jokes about Muslims getting outraged over a cartoon, but themselves are played just as easily as said outraged Muslims.

350 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:16:42am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

Props to the report for protecting the donkey's privacy.

351 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:18:40am

Nothing like a good campaign of false equivalence to cover for Romney.

Let’s face it: neither candidate in this race can be trusted to deliver a good unscripted pitch for their tax plan.

Back in July, while he was making the case for higher taxes on small businesses, President Obama famously told a rally in Roanoke, Virginia, “If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.”

Now Romney has his own tax related gaffe. In a video secretly recorded at a fundraiser in May, and just released Monday, Romney said:

They're desperate.

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:21:13am

Prosecutors: Chef Told Police He Cooked Wife
In a taped interviewed played in court Tuesday, a Southern California chef on trial for allegedly killing his wife told police he slow cooked her body then dumped it out as kitchen waste.
[Link: www.nbclosangeles.com...]

I slow cook pork.

353 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:24:48am

Romney campaign's most recent press release:

48 days remain until Election Day. As the choice voters face comes into greater focus, the different visions that Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have for America are becoming more sharply defined.

Mitt Romney’s vision for America is an opportunity society, where free people and free enterprise thrive and success is admired and emulated, not attacked. President Obama’s vision for America is a government-centered society, where government grows bigger and more active, occupying more of our everyday lives.

In a newly-unearthed set of remarks, we can hear Barack Obama in his own words advocating for government as a means to redistribute wealth:

“[T]he trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pool resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure everybody’s got a shot.”

Mitt Romney has a very different idea. He knows that we need to foster growth and create wealth, not redistribute wealth, if our economy is to grow the way it has in the past.

Nothing like a faux controversy to help make the case for leadership.

354 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:28:55am
355 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:29:04am

re: #353 Kronocide

Just because Obama has not confiscated and redistributed wealth during his first term is no indication he won't set about it with a vengeance during his second. Ditto goes for guns and ammo...

356 dragonath  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:29:23am

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

“Some believe that government should take from some to give to the others. I think the president makes it clear in the tape that was released today that that’s what he believes. I think that’s an entirely foreign concept."

The president is a ...cough... foreign communist!

357 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:32:37am

Even with the limited quote Romney gives, we hear Obama's reasoning: "to make sure everybody's got a shot", this is not entitlement, it is just ensuring equality of opportunity.

It is quite a stretch to call that "encouraging dependency".

358 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:32:54am

re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's Talk Like A Pirate Day!!!

Thanks--I've got a buddy who gets one email of one word (Aarrgghhh) each year.

359 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:34:22am

re: #356 dragonath

It's such a weird statement. It's basically a declaration of anarchy. I can't believe the GOP has actually become this, the completely anti-government party.

Yes, they should take from me and give it to others. I live a comfortable life. I can pay taxes so that soldiers coming back from war lame can have prosthetics, so that a blind kid can get special education that'll help them in this world, so that poverty-stricken kids can be fed.

That's what society is, that's what civilization is, and I cannot for the life of me figure out what the GOP actually stands for if it doesn't believe that we're all in this together. It really seems like nothing more than anarchy.

360 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:39:01am

Avast, ye scurvy dogs!

361 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:39:38am

re: #359 Obdicut

It's such a weird statement. It's basically a declaration of anarchy. I can't believe the GOP has actually become this, the completely anti-government party.

Yes, they should take from me and give it to others. I live a comfortable life. I can pay taxes so that soldiers coming back from war lame can have prosthetics, so that a blind kid can get special education that'll help them in this world, so that poverty-stricken kids can be fed.

That's what society is, that's what civilization is, and I cannot for the life of me figure out what the GOP actually stands for if it doesn't believe that we're all in this together. It really seems like nothing more than anarchy.

"...government isn't the solution to our problem, government is the problem."
--Some dead refrigerator salesman

362 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:40:11am

re: #360 Varek Raith

Avast, ye scurvy dogs!

Pirates did not actually talk that way.

Image: 3929901468_b01941352a.jpg


(If you want to do a real pirate accent, try a Welsh one.)

363 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:40:14am

re: #359 Obdicut

How to Be an Anarchist
[Link: www.wikihow.com...]

364 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:40:35am

re: #359 Obdicut

It's such a weird statement. It's basically a declaration of anarchy. I can't believe the GOP has actually become this, the completely anti-government party.

They seem to have their head stuck in some Jeffersonaian time bubble in which we are all gentlemen farmers who have carved their homesteads out of the wilderness, who are fully self-supporting and self-reliant and who enter into contracts only in our self-interest and not out of need or compulsion.

Except that was an abstract ideal even back in Jefferson's time.

365 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:41:15am

re: #354 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's Talk Like A Pirate Day!!!

There was some guy who used to post here, who thought every day was "Talk Like A Pirate Day!"

It got to be irritating after a while. You just wanted to keelhaul the scurvy dog.

366 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:42:08am

re: #360 Varek Raith

Avast, ye scurvy dogs!

I have heard that Pirate speak is a product of Hollywood: a character actor in early pirate films made it his trademark and it became in industry standard.

I assume the films were rated Arrrrrrrrrrrgh.

367 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:42:38am

re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yeah. You'll see in there lots of language about being anti-statist, about fighting the government for freedom, about rejecting the authority of the state. It really meshes very closely with the recent GOP rhetoric. We've even seen disturbing signs like the GOP guy in Ohio who at first tried to defy the courts when he was ordered to extend voting hours in Democratic as well as GOP areas of the state. He got brought to heel, but it was pretty fucking shocking that he thought he could just ignore the courts in the first place.

It's getting bad.

368 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:43:29am
369 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:43:49am

re: #367 Obdicut

Count on a massive surge in the "sovereign citizen" movement after Obama is re-elected.

370 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:43:53am

re: #365 Sheila Brovlofski

Gadewch i ni fynd a suddo llongau y Saesneg ac yn dwyn ​​eu trysor!

371 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:43:58am

re: #362 Obdicut

re: #366 Expand Your Ground

*Scowlface*

372 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:45:07am

re: #370 Obdicut

Gadewch i ni fynd a suddo llongau y Saesneg ac yn dwyn ​​eu trysor!

Sounds good to me.

373 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:46:28am

Sut ydych chi hyd yn oed ynganu hyn?

374 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:47:31am

re: #373 Varek Raith

This is an AMERICAN thread, dammit!

375 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:48:56am

re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar

How to Be an Anarchist
[Link: www.wikihow.com...]

Header comment is just flat-out romanticized bullshit:

"Anarchist societies throughout history - including most indigenous societies. Compared to hierarchical authoritarian societies they typically were and are much more stable and afford their members dramatically higher standards of living."

Ten minutes after they find their shaman, 'indigenous' societies select their rabbit boss and war chief.

(Not that a touch of anarchy isn't a nice antidote to uptight pricks.)

376 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:50:02am

re: #373 Varek Raith

Basically, you speak with small pebbles in your mouth while simultaneously playing the flute.

377 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:51:36am

re: #375 Decatur Deb

They also praise the Amish for being anarchists-- deciding to totally ignore the heavy theocratic element, for some reason. Amish are only allowed to marry other Amish; that's not very anarchist.

378 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:52:28am

re: #376 Obdicut

Basically, you speak with small pebbles in your mouth while simultaneously playing the flute.

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379 iossarian  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:52:36am

re: #377 Obdicut

They also praise the Amish for being anarchists-- deciding to totally ignore the heavy theocratic element, for some reason. Amish are only allowed to marry other Amish; that's not very anarchist.

Yeah, but the beards, man. The beards.

380 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:53:23am

re: #376 Obdicut

Basically, you speak with small pebbles in your mouth while simultaneously playing the flute.

[Embedded content]

I'd have to take a nap after a short convo....

381 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:54:10am

re: #379 iossarian

Yeah, but the beards, man. The beards.

and you gotta admire people who still live off the grid...

382 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:54:16am

My favorite FB pic that has made its rounds is the one where someone spray painted "spread anarchy" on a fence and someone painted a line through it and sprayed "don't tell me what to do". Prolly a fake but still funny.

383 iossarian  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:54:18am

Ann Romney looks as if she hasn't slept for a week in that video.

People are mocking the "Mitt doesn't disdain the poor" line, but my guess is that "I'm having fun on this campaign trail" is the biggest lie of the segment.

384 iossarian  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:55:14am

Brilliant. I'm listening to the video now. "Mitt doesn't need to do this for a job."

It's as if she actually can't go 30 seconds without reminding herself how rich they are.

385 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:55:54am

re: #381 Expand Your Ground

and you gotta admire people who still live off the grid...

I heard an interview from 1999 with this author.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

386 iossarian  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:57:49am

Mitt once spent time with a friend's child who was dying of cancer!

And the kicker? He didn't even bill them for his time.

387 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:57:49am

If you want to see what anarchy looked like in the Middle Ages, come to the Rhine River in Germany: each one of those robber baron castles was a law unto himself, even the Kaiser had to pay a toll to pass them.

Until the Kaiser finally cracked down and had them beheaded. Why was he punishing success?

388 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 5:59:52am

New meme: Romney 47% video missing time.... O'Keefe!

389 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:00:49am

If *I* were lucky enough to be a member of the 47%, I'd describe it the same way Romney does. I'd say "I pay all the Federal Income Taxes the law requires of me."

How can you fault anyone for following the law to the letter?

390 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:02:00am

re: #389 ReamWorks SKG

If *I* were lucky enough to be a member of the 47%, I'd describe it the same way Romney does. I'd say "I pay all the Federal Income Taxes the law requires of me."

How can you fault anyone for following the law to the letter?

Paying every dime keeps you out of the Big House--it doesn't get you into the White House.

391 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:02:48am

re: #389 ReamWorks SKG

If *I* were lucky enough to be a member of the 47%, I'd describe it the same way Romney does. I'd say "I pay all the Federal Income Taxes the law requires of me."

How can you fault anyone for following the law to the letter?

And then tell everyone about the loopholes used.

392 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:03:10am

Today is the Fast of Gedalia!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Have a good fast, everyone.

393 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:05:11am

re: #392 ReamWorks SKG

live, fast, and die early...

394 iossarian  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:07:24am

re: #393 Expand Your Ground

live, fast, and die early...

Har har.

(or should that be, "arrr, arrr"?)

395 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:15:26am

Morning Lizardim from the cold and rainy wild north country. Temperatures have taken a distinct dip to the south on the mercury, and I'm honestly loving it - fall is a wonderful season, and the prelude to winter, to boot. I found myself honestly wondering, on the drive in to work, what absolute insanity Mitt came up with to try to cover for his latest series of disastrous gaffes. I was not disappointed. How are things among the Lizardim this morning?

396 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:17:13am

re: #395 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Homemade bacon, egg, and habanero on croissant sandwich. Blue Bottle coffee. All is good.

397 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:20:14am

This will be my reaction on November the sixth, watching Mittens concession speech:


Graceful, I am not.

398 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:22:46am

re: #396 Obdicut

Homemade bacon, egg, and habanero on croissant sandwich. Blue Bottle coffee. All is good.

My token female team member brought in bacon, egg, and cheese cupcakes. I may grab a cup of hot tea to keep me awake; I'm starting to rely on that more over my usual Cherry Pepsi/Mountain Dew, trying to cut back on the empty sugary calories.

399 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:25:11am

Bleh. Recovering from an allergy/sinus attack. Basically did two things yesterday between 1am and 5pm; fed the cat, and slept. Boils down to your body telling you to remain in a prone and vegetative state.

Latter qualifies me to be a GOP voter I think, assuming I put FOX News on.
:p

400 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:25:32am

re: #398 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I was never into soda. I actually have almost no sweet tooth, but I love spicy and salty stuff. I have to restrain myself while cooking or I create a cloud of atomized fried Cayenne that will render the apartment uninhabitable for anyone but me.

401 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:27:19am

re: #395 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

Well, it's afternoon. But apart from that, not too shabby. Writing a small essay on changing nature of international negotiations.

Thought I might go for a run sooner rather than later. About 15 degrees and sunny. Can't complain.

402 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:28:24am

re: #400 Obdicut

I was never into soda. I actually have almost no sweet tooth, but I love spicy and salty stuff. I have to restrain myself while cooking or I create a cloud of atomized fried Cayenne that will render the apartment uninhabitable for anyone but me.

I love all things sweet. I am basically a sugar addict. When it comes to grilling, I prefer a mix of sweet and salt; I grew up with all my barbecue coming with sweet barbecue sauces on it. My wife has been steadily involving me in the world of spicy food, and I do enjoy a good curry, but I am afraid I will never be one of those maniacs that downs jalapeno peppers or grinds a little habanero on his pizza.

403 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:29:40am

re: #360 Varek Raith

Avast, ye scurvy dogs!

Hey! I am not a dog.

404 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:34:07am

re: #402 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I love all things sweet. I am basically a sugar addict. When it comes to grilling, I prefer a mix of sweet and salt; I grew up with all my barbecue coming with sweet barbecue sauces on it. My wife has been steadily involving me in the world of spicy food, and I do enjoy a good curry, but I am afraid I will never be one of those maniacs that downs jalapeno peppers or grinds a little habanero on his pizza.

Trust me, you will. The more spicy food you eat, the more you want. Sugar addiction? PFFF

You should see a man in the depth of a Jalfreizi binge.

405 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:34:23am

re: #392 ReamWorks SKG

Today is the Fast of Gedalia!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Have a good fast, everyone.

Is it OK if I take my pain meds?

406 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:35:56am

re: #405 Sheila Brovlofski

Is it OK if I take my pain meds?

Just grind them up and snort them.
///

407 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:36:44am

re: #392 ReamWorks SKG

Today is the Fast of Gedalia!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Have a good fast, everyone.

A fast day is actually not a bad idea after the two days of nonstop eating we just went through.

408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:36:54am

re: #402 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I love all things sweet. I am basically a sugar addict. When it comes to grilling, I prefer a mix of sweet and salt; I grew up with all my barbecue coming with sweet barbecue sauces on it. My wife has been steadily involving me in the world of spicy food, and I do enjoy a good curry, but I am afraid I will never be one of those maniacs that downs jalapeno peppers or grinds a little habanero on his pizza.

Spicy and sweet actually is a really nice combo. Looked at the ingredient list for a spicy sauce I use and the primary two (before the chile peppers) are raisins and orange juice. This stuff (and jalapeno jelly) both make really good glazing ingredients for something like salmon or meatloaf.

I also have a few jars of fruit and habanero jelly I picked up in Ft Worth a few years ago. I've been using that (or straight out jalapeno jelly) to make those sugar cookies with the spot of jam in the middle. Hits the sweet tooth -- and then the peppers kick in! >:D

409 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:37:37am

re: #408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I like jalapeno lollipops.

410 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:39:17am

re: #408 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Spicy and sweet actually is a really nice combo. Looked at the ingredient list for a spicy sauce I use and the primary two (before the chile peppers) are raisins and orange juice. This stuff (and jalapeno jelly) both make really good glazing ingredients for something like salmon or meatloaf.

I also have a few jars of fruit and habanero jelly I picked up in Ft Worth a few years ago. I've been using that (or straight out jalapeno jelly) to make those sugar cookies with the spot of jam in the middle. Hits the sweet tooth -- and then the peppers kick in! >:D

I made a homemade raspberry chile sauce that worked out really well. I reduced it just a little bit too much and so it came out a little more gummy than I'd like, leaving the meat a little dry. Lessons for next time.

411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:39:46am

re: #409 Obdicut

I like jalapeno lollipops.

Now *that* would be an interesting ingredient to toss at an episode of "Chopped".

412 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:40:40am

re: #410 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

I made a homemade raspberry chile sauce that worked out really well. I reduced it just a little bit too much and so it came out a little more gummy than I'd like, leaving the meat a little dry. Lessons for next time.

That would have probably been ideal for the cookies - you want it a little gummy for that.

413 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:40:53am

My wife makes chocolate cupcakes with chipotle pepper. Yummy.

414 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:41:04am

re: #411 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Now *that* would be an interesting ingredient to toss at an episode of "Chopped".

Pulverize it and sprinkle it on veggies.

415 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:41:33am

re: #405 Sheila Brovlofski

Happy new year, by the way. Expecting any new grandchildren this year?

416 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:41:35am

re: #414 Cannadian Club Akbar

Pulverize it and sprinkle it on veggies.

Probably. Or break them up, melt them down, and use as a glaze.

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42:06am

re: #415 Obdicut

Happy new year, by the way. Expecting any new grandchildren this year?

Any minute now, I'm sure.
/

418 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:42:12am

re: #413 makeitstop

My wife makes chocolate cupcakes with chipotle pepper. Yummy.

The first time I had spicy Mexican hot chocolate it was a revelation to me. So damn good.

Also, salty caramel ice cream, especially from the By-Rite in San Francisco.

419 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:43:46am

re: #415 Obdicut

Happy new year, by the way. Expecting any new grandchildren this year?

My daughter is expecting (her 8th).

She's on adolescent medicine rotation now. Tells me that she spends all her time passing out contraceptives to teenagers. She could sneak some for herself, but I'm not sayin' nuthin'.

420 HAL2010  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:44:00am

Me and my friend once made a chilli con carne at his place, sat down to eat, and discovered to our dismay that we had ran out of tabasco.
"Don't worry", he said, "I've got something similar from the US" (he regularly visits). He came down with a bottle, and I sprayed it on like it was tabasco.

Took one bite of my food, stood right up, and started screaming. I ran to the kitchen, back to the living room, back to the kitchen. Still screaming.

I then proceeded to down about two pints of milk, and was sweating profusely.
My friend looked at me at this point thinking I was crazy, and took a big bite of his food. Same reaction. I would have laughed but I was too exhausted.

We then actually looked at the bottle. It was something called New Jersey Death Sauce, and came with a huge warning label. 750 times stronger than a Jalapeno.

I will never forget that day.

421 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:45:00am

re: #409 Obdicut

I like jalapeno lollipops.

Fudge -- real, old-fashioned fudge -- with cayenne powder added. I make it two ways. One, for everyone else, has 1/8 teaspoon added. Nobody detects the burn, but everyone notes how, well, chocolate the fudge is. (capsaicin opens tastebuds, as do salt and cloves.) The other batch gets a tablespoon or two. I'm not fond of kicking it up to OMG THE BURN levels, but I like the warmth.

I'll also bring to your attention the friend who made what he called 'frozen flame margaritas'. Standard frozen margaritas, really, except he used his habanero tequila. Basically, capsaicin is alcohol soluble. Put some habaneros in your bottle of tequila and let them masticate for a day. Pull out the (now fairly bland) pulp, and drink with caution. The heat against the ice made for a great effect.

422 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:45:19am

re: #420 HAL2010

Me and my friend once made a chilli con carne at his place, sat down to eat, and discovered to our dismay that we had ran out of tabasco.
"Don't worry", he said, "I've got something similar from the US" (he regularly visits). He came down with a bottle, and I sprayed it on like it was tabasco.

Took one bite of my food, stood right up, and started screaming. I ran to the kitchen, back to the living room, back to the kitchen. Still screaming.

I then proceeded to down about two pints of milk, and was sweating profusely.
My friend looked at me at this point thinking I was crazy, and took a big bite of his food. Same reaction. I would have laughed but I was too exhausted.

We then actually looked at the bottle. It was something called New Jersey Death Sauce, and came with a huge warning label. 750 times stronger than a Jalapeno.

I will never forget that day.

Or the next day.

423 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:45:38am

Redistribution is a bad bad word. Even though it really isn't.

Shiny New Dog Whistle.

424 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:46:52am

re: #423 Kronocide

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Redistribution is a bad bad word. Even though it really isn't.

Shiny New Dog Whistle.

Romney did more redistribution during his tenure at Bain than Obama ever did during his whole entire life.

425 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:48:18am

re: #421 kirkspencer

Nigella Lawson, a TV chef I used to watch (and actually was the fist I saw to use a "busy" camera on her show) would put peppers in her vodka for her bloody marys.

426 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:48:45am

re: #423 Kronocide

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Redistribution is a bad bad word. Even though it really isn't.

Shiny New Dog Whistle.

Go to hell! LOL

427 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:50:16am
428 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:51:00am

re: #427 Gus

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Moron Pride Day, in Fischer's honor.

429 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:52:05am

I only say "you people" to the dogs.

As in "All you people want is food and you never clean-up your toys"

In their case, I consider it appropriate.

How is the morning going for you Lizards?

430 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:52:13am

re: #427 Gus

I found the leader for Bestiality Day. re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

431 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:52:18am

re: #424 Sheila Brovlofski

Romney did more redistribution during his tenure at Bain than Obama ever did during his whole entire life.

it's only redistribution when going from the rich to the poor. The other way round is the natural order of things.
//

432 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:52:18am

re: #383 iossarian

Ann Romney looks as if she hasn't slept for a week in that video.

People are mocking the "Mitt doesn't disdain the poor" line, but my guess is that "I'm having fun on this campaign trail" is the biggest lie of the segment.

re: #427 Gus

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I think Carlos Romero's already on that one.

433 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:54:04am

re: #430 Cannadian Club Akbar

I found the leader for Bestiality Day. re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Farmer Wilson walks over to Farmer Jones' place and says
"Jones, I got me a problem and I gotta to go to court - I need a lawyer, do you know any?" Farmer Jones replies, "yeah, I know a couple of those guys. One is a hell of a trial lawyer, great guy but expensive as hell; the other, not so great, but the guy sure knows how to pick a jury and he's a lot cheaper." Wilson thanks his buddy and moves on thinking to himself, well I don't have a lot of money so I guess I know what I have to do.

Wilson's day in court finally comes and the first witness called to the stand is his neighbor Mrs. Smith. Mrs. Smith is sworn in and the prosecuter asks her, "Mrs. Smith, would you please tell the court what you saw on the day in question. "Why yes I can", she says, "I was doing my dishes, looking out my window over the sink when I saw Farmer Wilson come out from behind his barn and grab one of his goats". Yes mam, and then what did you see? "Well after he grabbed that goat he proceeded to drop his pants and fornicate with that there goat!" Is that all mam? "Well no, after it seemed like he had his way with that goat, the goat turned around and proceeded to lick his pecker clean!"

It was at this point of the testimony that one man on the jury turns to another man on the jury and says "you know, a good goat will do that"..

434 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:54:28am

re: #421 kirkspencer

Fudge -- real, old-fashioned fudge -- with cayenne powder added. I make it two ways. One, for everyone else, has 1/8 teaspoon added. Nobody detects the burn, but everyone notes how, well, chocolate the fudge is. (capsaicin opens tastebuds, as do salt and cloves.) The other batch gets a tablespoon or two. I'm not fond of kicking it up to OMG THE BURN levels, but I like the warmth.

I'll also bring to your attention the friend who made what he called 'frozen flame margaritas'. Standard frozen margaritas, really, except he used his habanero tequila. Basically, capsaicin is alcohol soluble. Put some habaneros in your bottle of tequila and let them masticate for a day. Pull out the (now fairly bland) pulp, and drink with caution. The heat against the ice made for a great effect.

I will pass that one on to my friend the chilehead. He also makes hot sauce and other pepper products. Luckily he is not a fan of "death sauce", but prefers flavor with heat.

He and his mother-in-law both make apple pie with hot peppers/sauce added. I tried it once - an interesting kick, but in my opinion detracts from a good apple pie. (If the goal is sweet and apple-y taste, the heat detracts.) I think in his case he wasn't using a good variety of apple for the pie, in which case adding heat would improve it.

435 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:55:12am

re: #428 makeitstop

Moron Pride Day, in Fischer's honor.

Interesting to note what he always has his mind on. The man never stops thinking about sex.

436 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:56:40am

re: #435 Gus

Interesting to note what he always has his mind on. The man never stop thinking about sex.

Not only that, he never stops thinking about "perverted" sex. The mind shudders to think about what kind of kinky fetishes he might be into.

437 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:56:57am

And on that note, off for the day. See you later, alligators.

438 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:57:14am

re: #434 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I will pass that one on to my friend the chilehead. He also makes hot sauce and other pepper products. Luckily he is not a fan of "death sauce", but prefers flavor with heat.

He and his mother-in-law both make apple pie with hot peppers/sauce added. I tried it once - an interesting kick, but in my opinion detracts from a good apple pie. (If the goal is sweet and apple-y taste, the heat detracts.) I think in his case he wasn't using a good variety of apple for the pie, in which case adding heat would improve it.

Cinnamon works better for heat. Taco Johns makes a thing called an Apple Grande which is a crispy flour tortilla with cinnamon sugar and apple pie filling. They used to put Red Hot candies on top which I thought made it even better, but not everyone liked it apparently.

439 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:57:40am

re: #437 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too

And on that note, off for the day. See you later, alligators.

After a while, crocodile.

440 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:57:53am

re: #435 Gus

Interesting to note what he always has his mind on. The man never stop thinking about sex.

Yeah, and he seems especially pre-occupied with the 'non-traditional' types of sex, ifyaknowwhatimsayin.

441 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:58:35am

re: #433 PT Barnum

Farmer Green's chicken lays an egg on Farmer Brown land. They figure out a way to decide who gets the egg. They decide to kick each other in the nads until one gives up. Farmer Green goes first, gets a running start and kicks Farmer Brown in the nuts as hard as he can. Farmer Brown rolls around on the ground for about 10 minutes, finally get up and says "OK. My turn". Farmer Green says, "Na, keep the egg". :)

442 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:58:37am

re: #440 makeitstop

Yeah, and he seems especially pre-occupied with the 'non-traditional' types of sex, ifyaknowwhatimsayin.

When it comes to projection, the religious right does it in Cinerama.

443 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:58:41am

re: #434 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

I will pass that one on to my friend the chilehead. He also makes hot sauce and other pepper products. Luckily he is not a fan of "death sauce", but prefers flavor with heat.

He and his mother-in-law both make apple pie with hot peppers/sauce added. I tried it once - an interesting kick, but in my opinion detracts from a good apple pie. (If the goal is sweet and apple-y taste, the heat detracts.) I think in his case he wasn't using a good variety of apple for the pie, in which case adding heat would improve it.

As I said, capsaicin opens taste buds, and you don't really need enough to feel the burn to get the effect. I use this - and the same of cloves - a lot these days since one of the people in the house is on a low-sodium diet. For four or more servings keeping the cayenne between 1/8 and 1/16 teaspoon and about half that amount in cloves seems to bring out the flavors the lowered salt quantity missed.

444 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:58:55am

re: #442 PT Barnum

When it comes to projection, the religious right does it in Cinerama.

Imax

445 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 6:59:56am

re: #444 Gus

Imax

Get off my lawn!

446 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:00:19am

Welsh and food are the topics of the morning?

447 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:02:21am

re: #446 ggt

Welsh and food are the topics of the morning?

Combine the two.
[Link: allrecipes.com...]

448 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:02:36am

re: #435 Gus

Interesting to note what he always has his mind on. The man never stops thinking about sex.

I think "the lady doth protest too much" is a line that comes to mind.

449 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:03:24am

re: #438 PT Barnum

Cinnamon works better for heat. Taco Johns makes a thing called an Apple Grande which is a crispy flour tortilla with cinnamon sugar and apple pie filling. They used to put Red Hot candies on top which I thought made it even better, but not everyone liked it apparently.

For apple pie I like a little bit of spicing (cinnamon, all-spice, etc.) to put a bit of edge on it. Some fresh lemon juice and zest as well. Key pretty much for a good pie is choosing the right apple(s) and having a good crust.

I also have a sour cream apple pie recipe that is a nice change of pace. Open top glazed with a cinnamon/butter/sugar mix. I found that it works real well as a dessert following a spicy main course like blackened fish, etc.

450 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:03:58am

re: #447 Cannadian Club Akbar

Combine the two.
[Link: allrecipes.com...]

Hossenfeffer!

451 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:04:02am

Trickle down economics. Let the wealth go to the top earners and corporations. Then have them REDISTRIBUTE the wealth down the food chain.

452 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:05:48am

re: #451 Gus

Trickle down economics. Let the wealth go to the top earners and corporations. Then have them REDISTRIBUTE the wealth down the food chain.

The term you are looking for is "largesse". Redistribution sounds like a requirement. You should simply be happy and *VERY GRATEFUL* that they gave you anything in exchange for your loyal servitude to the proper order of things.

Hmm, I get it now. They're trying to emulate cats.

453 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:06:35am

re: #451 Gus

Trickle down economics. Let the wealth go to the top earners and corporations. Then have them REDISTRIBUTE the wealth down the food chain.

That trickle you feel is liquidity, but not the money kind.

454 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:09:22am

re: #451 Gus

Trickle down economics. Let the wealth go to the top earners and corporations. Then have them REDISTRIBUTE the wealth down the food chain.

Yeah. I keep asking myself how well that worked in earlier times. It should have made everyone wealthy in feudal eras, for example.

455 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:11:56am

Apropos of nothing, next week DC is releasing part 1 of "The Dark Knight Returns," its latest animated movie.

Although we won't see the goodness until part 2 in 2013, Michael Emerson is voicing The Joker.

That could be...fun.

456 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:12:30am

re: #8 Lidane

Screw that. I want an invisibility cloak. You know that they're using Mitt's money for really expensive whiskey to wash down the heartburn medication.

I'd snag a few bottles on my way out the door. Heh.

No, because if you had an invisibility cloak we'd have to change your nic to 'Harry Potter'.

/

457 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:13:33am

re: #455 BongCrodny

Apropos of nothing, next week DC is releasing part 1 of "The Dark Knight Returns," its latest animated movie.

Although we won't see the goodness until part 2 in 2013, Michael Emerson is voicing The Joker.

That could be...fun.

If its anything like the graphic novel, it has the potential to be very good.

458 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:15:24am

yup

459 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:15:28am

On Redistribution and Robin Hood;

I've had the Robin Hood analogy dropped about taxation, as in 'liberals want to rob from the rich to give to the poor.' Seems like a seriously flawed analogy, or a tacit acknowledgement of support for an elite upper class with power delegated by wealth.

The Sheriff of Nottingham enforced high taxation on the underclass with little benefit. Robin Hood stole from the Sheriff and returned it to the poor.

So is Obama Robin Hood? Because it gets pretty screwy thinking this analogy through, especially since Obama is supposed to be the bad guy in this analogy. Does that make the Sheriff of Nottingham the good guy?

460 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:15:46am

re: #454 kirkspencer

Yeah. I keep asking myself how well that worked in earlier times. It should have made everyone wealthy in feudal eras, for example.

Essentially we're looking at who holds the power on wealth and income. People like Romney want that power to be held by a small group of people and not the majority of Americans. No matter how you look at it they are the ones in power and it's not a democratic system. The rich distribute the wealth in America.

461 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:16:21am
462 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:17:51am

Good morning lizards!

463 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:17:53am

re: #459 Kronocide

On Redistribution and Robin Hood;

I've had the Robin Hood analogy dropped about taxation, as in 'liberals want to rob from the rich to give to the poor.' Seems like a seriously flawed analogy, or a tacit acknowledgement of support for an elite upper class with power delegated by wealth.

The Sheriff of Nottingham enforced high taxation on the underclass with little benefit. Robin Hood stole from the Sheriff and returned it to the poor.

So is Obama Robin Hood? Because it gets pretty screwy thinking this analogy through, especially since Obama is supposed to be the bad guy in this analogy. Does that make the Sheriff of Nottingham the good guy?

Those stories also have a major sub-text of Norman nobility vs Saxon underclass going on. I wonder what parallel that leads to in the modern comparison...

464 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:18:50am

G'marrrnin' skallywags.

465 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:19:25am

re: #457 Dark_Falcon

If its anything like the graphic novel, it has the potential to be very good.

The animation will be limited, which will drop the overall effect down a notch or two -- but several of DC's animated movies have featured really good stories and, unlike Marvel's animated movies, DC's have traditionally featured top-notch voice talent.

I'm optimistic. DKR is probably my fourth favorite comic series/graphic novel, behind only Preacher, Watchmen and Planetary.

466 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:19:35am

re: #459 Kronocide

On Redistribution and Robin Hood;

I've had the Robin Hood analogy dropped about taxation, as in 'liberals want to rob from the rich to give to the poor.' Seems like a seriously flawed analogy, or a tacit acknowledgement of support for an elite upper class with power delegated by wealth.

The Sheriff of Nottingham enforced high taxation on the underclass with little benefit. Robin Hood stole from the Sheriff and returned it to the poor.

So is Obama Robin Hood? Because it gets pretty screwy thinking this analogy through, especially since Obama is supposed to be the bad guy in this analogy. Does that make the Sheriff of Nottingham the good guy?

Yes, he would be the good guy because he represents the established order. It's not a good analogy, as you said. Prince (later King) John was more the Englishman than Richard the Lionhearted ever was. In real life, Richard only spent about 6 months total in England and could not speak English. For the most part he lived in France and spoke French.

467 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:20:21am

re: #464 darthstar

I hadn't noticed the "steal Y'obama" icon on your name. I like it.

468 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:20:35am

So, did anyone post the video upthread. It seems to have been pulled from Charles's link.

469 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:21:40am

re: #466 Dark_Falcon

Yes, he would be the good guy because he represents the established order. It's not a good analogy, as you said. Prince (later King) John was more the Englishman than Richard the Lionhearted ever was. In real life, Richard only spent about 6 months total in England and could not speak English. For the most part he lived in France and spoke French.

I want to see his longform Patent of Nobility.!!1!

470 Eventual Carrion  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:21:51am

re: #333 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida Farmhand Busted For Lewd Donkey Show
[Link: www.thesmokinggun.com...]

Just look at the smile on this guys face.

You'd smile too if you just had a little ass!

471 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:23:08am

"Hi, I'm Mitt Romney. I know you guys don't like me, so here's my wife."

472 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:24:08am

re: #464 darthstar

G'marrrnin' skallywags.

473 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:24:48am

I can't remember ever seeing a campaign built on a foundation of lies and misrepresentations like the current campaign being run by Mitt. Its crazy. The only 2 things the base has latched onto is "you didn't build that" and the "redistribution" meme both of which are complete lies that are undone by watching the sentences that preceded them. In an election cycle where the economy is as tough as it is, I would have thought the appeal to independents could have been at least competitive had it been based in reality. Instead, Mitt continues to have to shore up the base with idiocy. How can he possibly poll as well as he does?

474 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:26:28am
475 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:26:47am

re: #473 Petero1818

I can't remember ever seeing a campaign built on a foundation of lies and misrepresentations like the current campaign being run by Mitt. Its crazy. The only 2 things the base has latched onto is "you didn't build that" and the "redistribution" meme both of which are complete lies that are undone by watching the sentences that preceded them. In an election cycle where the economy is as tough as it is, I would have thought the appeal to independents could have been at least competitive had it been based in reality. Instead, Mitt continues to have to shore up the base with idiocy. How can he possibly poll as well as he does?

I blame the media, working the poor MBF to death.

If it weren't for false equivalency, Mittens would be in single digits right now.

476 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:27:34am

re: #473 Petero1818

I can't remember ever seeing a campaign built on a foundation of lies and misrepresentations like the current campaign being run by Mitt. Its crazy. The only 2 things the base has latched onto is "you didn't build that" and the "redistribution" meme both of which are complete lies that are undone by watching the sentences that preceded them. In an election cycle where the economy is as tough as it is, I would have thought the appeal to independents could have been at least competitive had it been based in reality. Instead, Mitt continues to have to shore up the base with idiocy. How can he possibly poll as well as he does?

It's not about facts and logic, it's all about feelings.

/what the Republicans used to say about Democrats

477 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:27:38am

re: #449 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

For apple pie I like a little bit of spicing (cinnamon, all-spice, etc.) to put a bit of edge on it. Some fresh lemon juice and zest as well. Key pretty much for a good pie is choosing the right apple(s) and having a good crust.

I also have a sour cream apple pie recipe that is a nice change of pace. Open top glazed with a cinnamon/butter/sugar mix. I found that it works real well as a dessert following a spicy main course like blackened fish, etc.

What's the best kind of apple to use for a pie filling? I made a strudel on Sunday that used a combination of Gala and Granny Smith.

478 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:28:24am

re: #467 Petero1818

I hadn't noticed the "steal Y'obama" icon on your name. I like it.

Thanks...I call it 'steal your hope'...because that's what Obama's done to Romney.

479 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:28:25am

re: #469 Decatur Deb

Turns out to not have mattered, since he had no children. As for John, he was a poor king as was his son Henry III. But Henry III's son was King Edward I, who combined skill in war with being authentically English. He was also a ruthless man who earned his hostile portrayal in "Braveheart", but his reign was the boost England needed after three domestically weak kings in a row.

480 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:28:59am

re: #477 Sheila Brovlofski

What's the best kind of apple to use for a pie filling? I made a strudel on Sunday that used a combination of Gala and Granny Smith.

The kind the local bakery uses! ;)

481 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:29:31am

re: #471 BongCrodny

"Hi, I'm Mitt Romney. I know you guys don't like me, so here's my wife."

She's no more likable than he is. She sneers at the camera and is just as condescending.

482 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:29:45am

re: #478 darthstar

Thanks...I call it 'steal your hope'...because that's what Obama's done to Romney.

Back in the day that would have made you a good buck in the lot selling shirts of it.

483 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:30:04am

re: #470 Eventual Carrion

You'd smile too if you just had a little ass!

Carlos Romero, 31, was collared yesterday and charged with misdemeanor sexual activity with an animal.

They put a collar on that guy?

484 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:30:27am

The Romney Video and the Right's Quixotic Quest for the "Real Obama"
—By Adam Serwer

Mitt Romney's massive parasitic moocher class encompassing nearly half of the American public does not exist. Many of you have probably already seen the stories (and the video) that are shaking up the Romney campaign. My MoJo colleague David Corn reported yesterday that Romney had told a group of wealthy donors at a May fundraiser—held by private equity manager (and sex-party enthusiast) Marc Leder—that 47 percent of Americans are "dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them," and who, of course, "pay no income tax." (He said other things too, in the second installment.)

Continues.

485 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:30:35am

re: #474 Lidane

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That one's an outlier. No way Obama goes from 2% approve over disapprove to 16%.

486 BongCrodny  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:30:49am

re: #474 Lidane

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The way Barack Obama is handling his job as president: Approve 56% / Disapprove 40% (AP-GfK Poll, 9/13-17)

Do you suppose that bump is a result of the job Obama is doing, or just that he looks good in comparison to you-know-who.

487 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:31:14am

re: #473 Petero1818

I can't remember ever seeing a campaign built on a foundation of lies and misrepresentations like the current campaign being run by Mitt. Its crazy. The only 2 things the base has latched onto is "you didn't build that" and the "redistribution" meme both of which are complete lies that are undone by watching the sentences that preceded them. In an election cycle where the economy is as tough as it is, I would have thought the appeal to independents could have been at least competitive had it been based in reality. Instead, Mitt continues to have to shore up the base with idiocy. How can he possibly poll as well as he does?

Several reasons, the two largest of which are:
The sheriff is a n*, er, is black;
My team, right or wrong (aka yellow dog).

If the Republican party shatters (which if it happens I think won't be till after the 2016 elections) it'll form two competing splinters each claiming to be the "real" GOP - neither will want to join the 'other team' because of the two prior issues.

As a btw, I'm generally skeptical that the GOP will shatter. Simple reason is the way the rules, and more importantly the money, are rigged to go to the top two parties at this time. Split the GOP and suddenly they're on a par with some other third parties all competing for that number two slot. One of the largest examples here is the question of who pays for the primary election ballots. If you're Dem or Rep many costs are eaten by the states. (How much depends on the state's rules.) If you're the Libertarian or Constitution or Green or other third party you do your own ballots.

488 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:31:41am
489 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:03am

re: #486 BongCrodny

Do you suppose that bump is a result of the job Obama is doing, or just that he looks good in comparison to you-know-who.

No idea. I'm wondering that myself.

490 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:12am

re: #477 Sheila Brovlofski

What's the best kind of apple to use for a pie filling? I made a strudel on Sunday that used a combination of Gala and Granny Smith.

I like to use a firm, tart apple in my pies - like an Arkansas Black. But the best thing to do is practice, practice, practice until you find the one you like. Fujis are good, Gravensteins make excellent pies (maybe better than the Arkansas, which are so good to eat by themselves)...yeah, try the Gravensteins next time. Once you toss a couple of handfuls of brown sugar, a dump of cinnamon and some butter into it(those are my official measures by the way), it's all good.

491 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:16am
492 Gretchen G.Tiger  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:21am

going to try to wake-up.

have a great day all!

493 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:33:53am

re: #487 kirkspencer

Several reasons, the two largest of which are:
The sheriff is a n*, er, is black;
My team, right or wrong (aka yellow dog).

If the Republican party shatters (which if it happens I think won't be till after the 2016 elections) it'll form two competing splinters each claiming to be the "real" GOP - neither will want to join the 'other team' because of the two prior issues.

As a btw, I'm generally skeptical that the GOP will shatter. Simple reason is the way the rules, and more importantly the money, are rigged to go to the top two parties at this time. Split the GOP and suddenly they're on a par with some other third parties all competing for that number two slot. One of the largest examples here is the question of who pays for the primary election ballots. If you're Dem or Rep many costs are eaten by the states. (How much depends on the state's rules.) If you're the Libertarian or Constitution or Green or other third party you do your own ballots.

I agree, it won't splinter. But the 2016 ticket will be decidedly wingnut. I think a Santorum / Palin ticket will emerge or a Palin / Santorum. Either way they will get their candidates on the ticket to see if they can do better than the establishment guy. Mitt was the establishment's last hope for at least 2 cycles I think.

494 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:34:11am
495 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:35:48am

re: #477 Sheila Brovlofski

Empires are pretty good baking apples; the Mrs. made an apple walnut cake, and we used a couple different varieties including Empires, Jonathans, and Jonagolds. All were picked from the tree, so they were as fresh as you can possibly imagine. Other possibilities here.

We've got so many apples, that I made a batch of apple ginger soup - so easy to make too. You can use vegetable or chicken stock/broth as a base, and then put in the cut apples (everything but the cores) fresh minced ginger to taste, let simmer, and then blend - (an immersion blender works best).

496 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:37:01am

re: #491 Gus

Downding for the wretched pro-Palestinian propaganda. Mitt Romney does indeed understand that situation better than that joker.

497 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:37:49am

re: #485 Dark_Falcon

That one's an outlier. No way Obama goes from 2% approve over disapprove to 16%.

If it makes you feel better, 4% didn't respond or were undecided. But yes, once people settle into an opinion (when it was 44% approve 46% disapprove there were 10% undecideds) the gaps begin to show.

As Cap'n Clinton would say, "It's Arrrithmatic, ye parrot-loving swine."

498 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:38:14am

re: #484 Gus

You know who makes up a significant percentage of the 47% that Mitt thinks are moochers? Senior citizens who are on fixed incomes, who paid a lifetime of taxes (payroll, income, and other state and local taxes). And even others within the 47% who he claims paid no income tax still paid payroll taxes and state and local taxes. They aren't exactly freeloaders. Far from it. Many actually end up paying a greater percentage of their income than Mitt did in his reported income tax returns.

499 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:39:13am

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the wretched pro-Palestinian propaganda. Mitt Romney does indeed understand that situation better than that joker.

Yes. Being "pro-Palestinian" should be against the law! Outrage!

[Faints.]

500 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:40:56am

re: #496 Dark_Falcon

Downding for the wretched pro-Palestinian propaganda. Mitt Romney does indeed understand that situation better than that joker.

Not sure its worth a down ding. I agree the article was somewhat lopsided, but no more than most favoring Israel.

501 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:41:14am

re: #491 Gus

Palin-esque ignorance. Brutal, but true. Judging from the down-ding, DF didn't see Rachel eviscerate Romney on his ignorance of what a dirty bomb requires when he was boasting about how Iran could attack the United States with one in that Boca Raton fundraiser video.

502 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:42:12am

Here. Have another one DF.

503 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:42:44am

re: #501 darthstar

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Palin-esque ignorance. Brutal, but true. Judging from the down-ding, DF didn't see Rachel eviscerate Romney on his ignorance of what a dirty bomb requires when he was boasting about how Iran could attack the United States with one in that Boca Raton fundraiser video.

To be fair I think DF was reacting to the characterization of Israeli occupation and the debatable positioning of Hamas acceptance of the Saudi Plan found in the article.

504 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:42:53am

re: #499 Gus

Yes. Being "pro-Palestinian" should be against the law! Outrage!

[Faints.]

Gus 802 stars in Confessions of an LGF Drama Queen. Playing ever day at the Little Green Footballs Theater! [smiles]

505 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:43:24am

And it begins:

506 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:43:49am
507 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:44:12am

re: #505 Lidane

And it begins:

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So they're going to use the "out of context" argument? They didn't build that!

508 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:44:16am
509 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:44:41am
510 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:45:00am

re: #503 Petero1818

To be fair I think DF was reacting to the characterization of Israeli occupation and the debatable positioning of Hamas acceptance of the Saudi Plan found in the article.

I thought he was downdinging the tweet, which mentions two GOP standard bearers together.

511 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:45:08am

Bush (Rice) made a big deal about the settlements too. Seriously. This is nothing new. Only in recent years have the Republicans taken a hard line approach that is in fact a harder line than Bibi takes.

512 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:46:22am

re: #511 Gus

Bush (Rice) made a big deal about the settlements too. Seriously. This is nothing new. Only in recent years have the Republicans taken a hard line approach that is in fact a harder line than Bibi takes.

Well, we did have a white president back then.

513 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:46:31am

re: #509 Lidane


Why? Well, there's $11 million reasons - the campaign had to go borrow money to cover costs between the end of the primaries and the end of the convention because of campaign finance rules.

Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign borrowed $20 million in the month of August to pay for its expenses before he could begin tapping general election dollars and is now $11 million in debt, a senior campaign official confirmed late Tuesday.

Romney’s campaign finance filings, due to be released on Wednesday, will show the campaign with $15 million in debt, the official said, although the debt currently stands at $11 million.

The National Review Online first reported news of the campaign’s debt Tuesday night.

Although Romney has raised hundreds of millions of dollars in general election funds, his campaign could not legally tap those funds until after he officially was nominated at the Republican National Convention.

514 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:46:44am

re: #511 Gus

Bush (Rice) made a big deal about the settlements too. Seriously. This is nothing new. Only in recent years have the Republicans taken a hard line approach that is in fact a hard line than Bibi takes.

Their problem is that they cannot share any opinion that Obama has. Seriously, whatever Obama thinks, the real answer must be further to the right.

515 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:47:16am

re: #503 Petero1818

To be fair I think DF was reacting to the characterization of Israeli occupation and the debatable positioning of Hamas acceptance of the Saudi Plan found in the article.

Exactly. I did take the time to read the way the article simply took the position of the Palestinians on the question of settlements, to the extent of calling said settlement "colonization". It struck me as a one-sided piece and gave the Palestinians a good bit more credit than I think proper.

So based on that, I maintain my view that Mitt Romney has a better understanding of the situation in Israel/West Bank-Gaza than does David Wearing.

516 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:15am

This should throw more gasoline on the fire.

517 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:42am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

So based on that, I maintain my view that Mitt Romney has a better understanding of the situation in Israel/West Bank-Gaza than does David Wearing.

I'm sure he'll do great against David Wearing in the debates.

518 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:47am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. I did take the time to read the way the article simply took the position of the Palestinians on the question of settlements, to the extent of calling said settlement "colonization". It struck me as a one-sided piece and gave the Palestinians a good bit more credit than I think proper.

So based on that, I maintain my view that Mitt Romney has a better understanding of the situation in Israel/West Bank-Gaza than does David Wearing.

I thought you liked colonialism. What do you think the settlements are anyway? Phasing of a condominium development?

519 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:48:57am

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

This should throw more gasoline on the fire.

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You can only hope.

520 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:02am

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

This should throw more gasoline on the fire.

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LeCar-B-Q.

521 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:33am

re: #503 Petero1818

To be fair I think DF was reacting to the characterization of Israeli occupation and the debatable positioning of Hamas acceptance of the Saudi Plan found in the article.

By his own admission he's had a habit of downdinging without reading. I'm not going to downding without knowing for certain, but at the same time I'm not going to make assumptions that it's for the content and defend him.

522 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:44am

re: #519 darthstar

You can only hope.

Why would I hope for that?

523 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:49:58am

re: #477 Sheila Brovlofski

What's the best kind of apple to use for a pie filling? I made a strudel on Sunday that used a combination of Gala and Granny Smith.

A lot depends on what you're trying to achieve. Macintosh have nice flavor, but also break down easily - so if you want lots of juice they are good to use. Granny Smith are tarter and hold very firm. (My "best" apple pie recipe actually recommends a mix of Granny Smith and Macintosh - firmness with some lovely gooey juice mixed in.) Gala are pretty good cooking apples as well from what I hear.

Worst thing is using "eating" apples like Red Delicious or Gold Delicious for cooking something like pie. Very little flavor and not a very good texture as well - they cook out with a "mealy" texture. :p

524 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:50:03am

re: #505 Lidane

And it begins:

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Which would make sense if Conservatives hadn't been debating this part of the platform for the last 12 months. The context is clear. The statement is clear. The problem Mittens has here is that they deliberately lie about who they are referring to. If they want to talk about the 1 %? of the population that probably takes advantage of govt benefits and lacks the motivation to do anything about it, I am ok with that. Let's talk about those people. Not sure if its 1%, .1%, .01% but lets agree they are freeloaders and freeriders. What does that have to do with this election. Nothing. Instead the GOP and Mittens made the decision to vastly grow that class of people with lies and tie them to the larger group of people that pay no Federal income tax. You can't have it both ways. Its either an inconsequential group (truth) or its 47%. You seem to want to get a rise out of the base with the 47. Live by the sword....

525 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:50:17am

Ha!

526 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:51:20am

re: #521 kirkspencer

By his own admission he's had a habit of downdinging without reading. I'm not going to downding without knowing for certain, but at the same time I'm not going to make assumptions that it's for the content and defend him.

I did read the all of the article save its last paragraph before posting.

527 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:51:53am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. I did take the time to read the way the article simply took the position of the Palestinians on the question of settlements, to the extent of calling said settlement "colonization". It struck me as a one-sided piece and gave the Palestinians a good bit more credit than I think proper.

So based on that, I maintain my view that Mitt Romney has a better understanding of the situation in Israel/West Bank-Gaza than does David Wearing.

I would still argue that its author was likely a hell of a lot better informed than Mitt given his career, notwithstanding his obvious agenda and opinions.

528 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:52:46am

re: #522 NJDhockeyfan

Why would I hope for that?

Because you obviously love this shit. You can find links to Iran/Israel/Lebanon/Libya - pick a Middle East clusterfuck in process or threatening to happen - faster than anyone I've seen on the internets.

529 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:53:02am

re: #518 Gus

I thought you liked colonialism. What do you think the settlements are anyway? Phasing of a condominium development?

Are the two mutually exclusive?

530 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:53:31am

IV. Work with others to Defuse Regional Conflicts
President Bush
Berlin, Germany
May 23, 2002

...Israel also has a large stake in the success of a democratic Palestine. Permanent occupation threatens Israel’s identity and democracy. So the United States continues to challenge Israeli leaders to take concrete steps to support the emergence of a viable, credible Palestinian state. As there is progress towards security, Israel forces need to withdraw fully to positions they held prior to September 28, 2000. And consistent with the recommendations of the Mitchell Committee, Israeli settlement activity in the occupied territories must stop. As violence subsides, freedom of movement should be restored, permitting innocent Palestinians to resume work and normal life. The United States can play a crucial role but, ultimately, lasting peace can only come when Israelis and Palestinians resolve the issues and end the conflict between them...

531 darthstar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:53:32am

Shit...running late...slept in after staying up to watch Obama on Letterman. Good interview, by the way. See you all later.

532 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:53:47am

Boom!

533 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:54:38am

Simple answer: They haven't installed his empathy or likability chips yet.

534 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:54:39am

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

This should throw more gasoline on the fire.

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I actually think this a decent reply to those demanding that others not say things they don't like. The message these cartoons send to protesting Islamists is "Fuck You, we'll print what we want!".

535 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:55:17am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

Exactly. I did take the time to read the way the article simply took the position of the Palestinians on the question of settlements, to the extent of calling said settlement "colonization". It struck me as a one-sided piece and gave the Palestinians a good bit more credit than I think proper.

So based on that, I maintain my view that Mitt Romney has a better understanding of the situation in Israel/West Bank-Gaza than does David Wearing.

why not call it colonization?

See, I've said before that I think the whole settlement issue is the biggest stain Israel had. Israel says it's set aside areas with the intent of making them a separate state at some indefinable period down the road. Then some religious radicals move into what is supposed to be the other nation, force the existing residents out at gunpoint (killing some). The residents who resist effectively or who get friends and allies to return are countered by the Israeli government's forces.

It is, bluntly, a slow motion method of eliminating the other state through colonization and extension. It's an old process, and we are as guilty as any other nation (see Georgia and the Cherokees for one example). It doesn't change what it is, however, and it's the height of hypocrisy to say it isn't really what's going on.

536 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:56:10am

re: #515 Dark_Falcon

I'll point out that the Obama Administration hasn't cut loan guarantees or reduced actual military assistance to Israel even as the Israeli government approves housing in disputed areas of the West Bank. The Administration has increased military assistance, and that includes missile defense systems.

Prior administrations used settlements as reason to withhold loan guarantees - which aren't even layouts of funds - only a guarantee should Israel not be able to repay (something Israel has never reneged upon).

Changing military exercises isn't the same as cutting aid or actual military readiness for the Israeli military.

At the same time, everyone needs to understand that settlements aren't the reasons for a lack of a peace deal. Hamas doesn't recognize Israel's right to exist and as long as they hold that position, there can't be peace.

Israel's repeatedly shown itself capable of handing over territory, forcibly removing Israelis from settlements and housing (Gaza and Sinai). Israeli courts have repeatedly ruled against illegal settlements and the Israeli government has shuttered such illegal settlements. There is a rule of law, but when Hamas is part of the Palestinian government and they don't recognize Israel's right to exist, there's no one on the other side of the table with whom to make a peace deal. Any peace deal between the parties will involve land transfers - to try and create contiguous and defensible borders, and that is a difficult but not impossible task. Even the Obama Administration recognizes this, which is why no one is forcing the sides to work on a deal.

That isn't to say that there aren't likely backchannel negotiations between Fatah and Israel over how to coordinate security and work on a framework deal advancing Oslo. But those talks aren't going to result in a deal unless and until Hamas recognizes that they can't eliminate Israel and that their position is futile - endless war helps no one but the Hamas leaders maintain their position.

537 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 7:57:04am

re: #527 Petero1818

I would still argue that its author was likely a hell of a lot better informed than Mitt given his career, notwithstanding his obvious agenda and opinions.

Just because you know a bunch of facts does not mean you understand the situation. Understanding can be impaired by faulty ideology or by a too-strong desire to be "even-handed".

538 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:00:17am

re: #427 Gus

Bryan Fischer: Berkely hosts first "Bisexual Pride Day." What's next? "Pedophile Pride Day?" "Bestiality Pride Day?"

How about "Republican Congressmen Caught Soliciting Gay Sex in Public Places Day"?

539 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:03:34am

Pirates!

540 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:04:05am

re: #516 NJDhockeyfan

This should throw more gasoline on the fire.

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Maybe but it usually takes a while for clerics to properly manufacture the outrage. Give it a couple weeks. I don't expect much of a reaction from the Muslim world. I'm starting to see more debate in the West about what's allowable free speech. Of course most (if not all) major media outlets in the West will voluntarily censor themselves over the cartoons but there will still be voices that legal remedies are needed.

541 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:05:29am

re: #528 darthstar

Because you obviously love this shit. You can find links to Iran/Israel/Lebanon/Libya - pick a Middle East clusterfuck in process or threatening to happen - faster than anyone I've seen on the internets.

It's news. You obviously don't give a shit about what goes on outside the US but I do. Everything that happens over there affects what goes on over here. Pay attention.

542 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:05:40am

re: #505 Lidane

And it begins:

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543 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:06:04am

re: #539 Gus

Aye ye matey! Even our Navy flies the Jolly Roger.

544 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:08:45am
545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:09:07am

re: #541 NJDhockeyfan

It's news. You obviously don't give a shit about what goes on outside the US but I do. Everything that happens over there affects what goes on over here. Pay attention.

Passive aggressive broad brush bullshit.

You cherrypick your stories. And you're allowed to do so. And someone else is allowed to critique you on your selection bias and methods.

546 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:09:40am

re: #545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Passive aggressive broad brush bullshit.

You cherrypick your stories. And you're allowed to do so. And someone else is allowed to critique you on your selection bias and methods.

Bullshit.

/Derp

547 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:09:45am

Pam Geller -> SIOA -> John Bolton -> Mitt Romney

The hate group connection.

548 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:14:31am

No mention of the new cartoons.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

549 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:16:17am

re: #548 Cannadian Club Akbar

No mention of the new cartoons.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

Still an act of terrorism motivated by hated of Jews. Whatever its perpetrators claim as their reason for doing it, they're still asshole terrorists who should receive long prison terms.

550 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:17:19am

re: #545 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Passive aggressive broad brush bullshit.

You cherrypick your stories. And you're allowed to do so. And someone else is allowed to critique you on your selection bias and methods.

You're being polite. I'd rather call it like it is and call it agenda driven posting.

551 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:17:21am

re: #549 Dark_Falcon

Still an act of terrorism motivated by hated of Jews. Whatever its perpetrators claim as their reason for doing it, they're still asshole terrorists who should receive long prison terms.

Agree.

552 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:13am

Later gators. Got a date for lunch....my wife :)

553 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:18:41am

re: #546 NJDhockeyfan

Bullshit.

/Derp

You're the derp. A couple of hours a day of agenda driven derp.

554 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:19:10am

re: #548 Cannadian Club Akbar

No mention of the new cartoons.
[Link: www.businessweek.com...]

Damn.

555 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:20:41am

At least someone's doing well in this economy. Hey, we should be cutting their taxes. Only then will they create jobs...

556 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:21:39am

re: #537 Dark_Falcon

Just because you know a bunch of facts does not mean you understand the situation. Understanding can be impaired by faulty ideology or by a too-strong desire to be "even-handed".

"understanding" is a little too subjective for my liking in this context.

557 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:21:47am

re: #555 Mocking Jay

At least someone's doing well in this economy. Hey, we should be cutting their taxes. Only then will they create jobs...

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Those poor people! How they suffer in their wealth!

//

558 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:23:16am
559 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:24:44am

re: #557 Gus

Those poor people! How they suffer in their wealth!

//

If only they had more money.

560 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:25:32am

They're really going with this nonsense:

561 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:26:13am

re: #560 Lidane

They're really going with this nonsense:

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This is the fight the far-right wants to have.

562 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:27:09am

re: #561 Mocking Jay

This is the fight the far-right wants to have.

I hope they shout it from the rooftops. Wingnuts will cheer, Independents will recoil.

563 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:27:59am

re: #558 bratwurst

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Leave it to Pukecannon to take a conservative position to an illogical conclusion then express that conclusion in a racist way.

/spits

564 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:28:39am

Hilarious. The wingnuts are trying to make a big deal about the missing two minutes.

Yeah, that's the part where Romney explains that he's "in character" and just making jokes. //

565 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:28:41am

re: #563 Dark_Falcon

What's your opinion of Donald Trump?

566 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:30:13am

re: #565 Obdicut

What's your opinion of Donald Trump?

He's an ass who uses eminent domain wrongly to take the property of others.

567 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:30:37am

re: #562 makeitstop

I hope they shout it from the rooftops. Wingnuts will cheer, Independents will recoil.

Its interesting. I do wonder what their internal polling is showing here. Could they be that wrong? 2 things possibly going on:
1. That their internal polling on the base is so dismal that they need to go off the deep end to shore it up.
2. That this aspect of the platform is polling well with independents.
I just don't see the second, but the first is awfully shortsighted.

568 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:30:38am

re: #564 Gus

Hilarious. The wingnuts are trying to make a big deal about the missing two minutes.

Yeah, that's the part where Romney explains that he's "in character" and just making jokes. //

"And now let us begin our performance of 'Glengarry Glen Ross' as interpreted by Ayn Rand..."

569 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:30:47am

re: #561 Mocking Jay

This is the fight the far-right wants to have.

Good. I hope Obama and Biden keeps pointing out that college students, senior citizens, the working poor, and soldiers are all part of Mitt Romney's lazy, shiftless 47%.

570 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:31:45am

re: #564 Gus

Hilarious. The wingnuts are trying to make a big deal about the missing two minutes.

Yeah, that's the part where Romney explains that he's "in character" and just making jokes. //

Is this the part where I draw parallels to Watergate? Weren't there gaps in those tapes as well?

571 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:31:47am

DERP OF THE DAY

LIAR. Government had NOTHING to do with internal GM business decision.

572 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:32:19am

re: #569 Lidane

Good. I hope Obama and Biden keeps pointing out that college students, senior citizens, the working poor, and soldiers are all part of Mitt Romney's lazy, shiftless 47%.

Of course they're lazy and shiftless. Look at all the complaining they are doing about such a simple task as getting proper ID in order to vote!
/// :p

573 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:32:53am

re: #566 Dark_Falcon

He's an ass who uses eminent domain wrongly to take the property of others.

Why do you think Mitt Romney relies on his advice and counsel, and endorses him in such a public way? Isn't it a little embarrassing to have that going on?

574 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:33:36am

re: #570 Lidane

Is this the part where I draw parallels to Watergate? Weren't there gaps in those tapes as well?

Maybe. It'll be a shiny object for the Twitchy idiots.

575 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:33:37am

re: #564 Gus

Hilarious. The wingnuts are trying to make a big deal about the missing two minutes.

576 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:35:06am

re: #558 bratwurst

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His sister, Bay Buchanan was unleashed by the Romney campaign yesterday and the day before to defend Romney from himself.

577 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:35:34am

re: #569 Lidane

Good. I hope Obama and Biden keeps pointing out that college students, senior citizens, the working poor, and soldiers are all part of Mitt Romney's lazy, shiftless 47%.

Be fair, he didn't say people like college students, senior citizens and the working poor who don't pay income tax are lazy and shiftless...he said they don't take personal responsibility and care for their lives!

578 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:35:34am

For when you're trying to find the right cheese to go with Mitt's whine:

Image: LLWJm.jpg

579 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:35:35am
580 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:35:48am

re: #575 Interesting Times

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Before anything else happens, Mitt needs to tell us what he alleges transpired in the other 2 minutes. Lets play this out.

581 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:36:19am
582 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:36:27am

re: #571 Sheila Brovlofski

DERP OF THE DAY

Obama the "president for everyone." Tell that to 20,000 Delphi workers: Obama took away pensions

LIAR. Government had NOTHING to do with internal GM business decision.

It is said that if you save someone's life, you are responsible for them for the rest of their days. Obama saved GM, therefore, heis responsible for thier pensions...

583 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:36:29am

Tunisian ruling party green-lights protests against French cartoons

Tunisia's ruling party said on Wednesday that Muslims have "the right to protest" against the publication in France of cartoons mocking the Prophet Mohammed as long as they do so peacefully.

"Ennahda backs the right of Muslims to protest and calls on the use of peaceful and civilized means," the Islamist party that leads the governing coalition in Tunis said in a statement.

It branded French weekly Charlie Hebdo's publication of cartoons of Mohammed, one portraying him naked, as "a new attack against the Prophet."

It said the caricatures, which came hot on the heels of a US-produced low-budget movie that mocks Islam, were an attempt to "derail the Arab Spring and push it into conflict with the West."

It said that was a "trap" that the Arab world should "not fall into."

584 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:37:13am

How can a fucking rich asshole that was born with a silver spoon in his mouth talk about a culture of dependency?

Fuck you Mitt!

:)

585 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:37:39am

re: #579 Gus

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Gus Rick-Rolls Twitter.

586 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:37:55am

re: #575 Interesting Times

My bet is that his face slipped off. Like Yul Brynner's in _Westworld_.

587 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:38:43am
588 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:39:07am
589 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:39:09am

re: #586 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

My bet is that his face slipped off. Like Yul Brynner's in _Westworld_.

I'm thinking such a thing would look more like this.

590 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:40:11am

re: #582 Expand Your Ground

It is said that if you save someone's life, you are responsible for them for the rest of their days. Obama saved GM, therefore, heis responsible for thier pensions...

There is also the fact that the Federal Government still has a sizable stake in GM, so it can be argued that they should have used it if they really believed in pensions.

591 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:40:18am

So to recap...

How can a fucking rich asshole that was born with a silver spoon in his mouth talk about a culture of dependency?

Fuck you Mitt!

:)

592 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:40:33am

Al-Azhar slams French Mohammed cartoons

Sunni Islam's highest authority on Wednesday condemned a French weekly's publication of cartoons of a naked Prophet Mohammed, with the region still reeling from an anti-Islam film that sparked deadly protests.

Al-Azhar expressed "its and all Muslims' utmost rejection of the insistence of a French publication in printing caricatures offensive to Islam and its Prophet, the prophet of humanity," Grand Imam Ahmed al-Tayyeb said in a statement.

He said that such acts "that fuel hatred in the name of freedom are completely rejected... Freedom should stop (where it affects) other people's freedoms," in a statement carried by the official MENA news agency.
....
On Saturday, Tayyeb had called for an international ban on all formes of attacks against Islam after the airing the film "Innocence of Muslims."

He underlined "the need for an international resolution (banning) any attack on Muslim religious symbols," in a statement addressed to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

The resolution should "criminalise attacks on Islamic symbols and on those of other religions, after the violence against those who provoked challenges to world peace and international security," said Tayyeb.

593 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:40:43am

re: #583 Killgore Trout

Green lights peaceful protests.

Ennahda backs the right of Muslims to protest and calls on the use of peaceful and civilized means," the Islamist party that leads the governing coalition in Tunis said in a statement.

He's right that if they riot and cause mayhem and damage, let alone injuries and deaths, it plays right into the anti-Muslim groups' sentiments - the whole clash of civilizations bit.

To me, it's fine that they okay peaceful protests to criticize the free speech acts of private actors in France (or elsewhere). That too is free speech. It's when there are those who incite others to violence over the exercise of speech by others (using blasphemy as an excuse) that it crosses the line. Those responsible for inciting people to violence must be held accountable for their actions.

594 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:41:29am

re: #589 Interesting Times

I'm thinking such a thing would look more like this.

No, thats what happens where you take the mask off of one of us.

///

595 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:42:13am

re: #588 Lidane

More evidence of the widespread need for better education regarding science and logic. But then again we all know that politics and demagoguery requires none of that - and in fact are poison to the latter.

596 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:43:17am
597 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:44:13am
598 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:44:13am

re: #593 lawhawk

Green lights peaceful protests.

He's right that if they riot and cause mayhem and damage, let alone injuries and deaths, it plays right into the anti-Muslim groups' sentiments - the whole clash of civilizations bit.

To me, it's fine that they okay peaceful protests to criticize the free speech acts of private actors in France (or elsewhere). That too is free speech. It's when there are those who incite others to violence over the exercise of speech by others (using blasphemy as an excuse) that it crosses the line. Those responsible for inciting people to violence must be held accountable for their actions.

The Muslim Bros and the new Islamist government in Tunis are playing both sides. Calling for these protests then, as the ruling government, having to shut them down when they get out of hand. They know the protests aren't going to be peaceful. They are destabilizing their own countries and falling into the very trap that they claim they're avoiding.

599 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:44:58am

Even the partial quote that Romney cites indicates that Obama wants to redistribute (government resources, not private ones) to allow everyone a chance to succeed.

that is a far cry from encouraging dependency, and something that is often forgotten by the rabid free-marketers out there: the Free market is not some abstract ideological notion, it is a human institution.

It is one that depends on a functioning physical, legal and regulatory infrastructure, and one that depends on an educated, healthy and qualified workforce.

And those are the very sort of things that the Free Market does not concern itself with, just as Mitt cannot bring himself to be concerned with the 47%

600 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:45:06am

re: #592 Killgore Trout

Al-Azhar slams French Mohammed cartoons

A proper reply follows:

TO: Grand Imam Ahmed al-Tayyeb
RE: Your demand for law that would "criminalise attacks on Islamic symbols and on those of other religions".

NUTS!

- The United States of America

601 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:46:10am

Hey guys! We shouldn't worry about all the turmoil in the ME. That's just God getting your attention:

602 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:47:01am

re: #597 Gus

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Useful, though not definitive. Thank you for posting that info, Gus.

603 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:47:20am

re: #601 Lidane

Jim Bakker is still relevant?

604 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:49:02am

re: #603 Cannadian Club Akbar

Jim Bakker is still relevant?

says a lot about the state of modern American Christian evangelism

605 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:49:04am

re: #601 Lidane

Hey guys! We shouldn't worry about all the turmoil in the ME. That's just God getting your attention:

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Jim Baker and Fred Phelps: Together at Last. Because I cannot see a difference in substance between the two of them here.

606 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:49:28am

Because printing cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohamed, right now, is the responsible thing to do.

//

607 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:50:41am

re: #580 Petero1818

Before anything else happens, Mitt needs to tell us what he alleges transpired in the other 2 minutes. Lets play this out.

He high fived a Hispanic waiter. All good!

608 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:51:01am

re: #606 Gus

Because printing cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohamed, right now, is the responsible thing to do.

//

The only way they can make it better is to have a cartoon of a pig eating a Koran.
/

609 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:51:16am

re: #606 Gus

Because printing cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohamed, right now, is the responsible thing to do.

//

It's a dangerous thing to do. It was dangerous a few years ago, it's dangerous today, and it'll be dangerous years from now. The timing doesn't make much difference.

610 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:51:57am

re: #609 Killgore Trout

It's a dangerous thing to do. It was dangerous a few years ago, it's dangerous today, and it'll be dangerous years from now. The timing doesn't make much difference.

Of course it makes a difference.

611 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:52:35am

France to Shut Embassies Over Muhammad Cartoons

The French government said on Wednesday it would close French embassies and schools in some 20 countries on Friday, a holy day in the Muslim world, for fear of reprisals after satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo published cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

"Is it relevant and intelligent in this environment to add fuel to the fire? The answer is no," Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told France Info radio. "I'm very worried ... and when I saw this I immediately issued instructions for special security precautions to be taken in all the countries where it could be a problem."

Issues of the magazine hit newsstands on Wednesday with the front cover showing an Orthodox Jew pushing a figure in a wheelchair wearing a turban. There were several caricatures of the Prophet on the inside pages, including some of him naked...

612 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:52:58am

re: #606 Gus

Because printing cartoons ridiculing the Prophet Mohamed, right now, is the responsible thing to do.

//

No, now's a good time. It's a good way to push back against the rioter's veto.

613 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:54:36am

Well Faux News is doing its part today.
Headline:
'Redistribution' vs. 'Victims': Dueling Quotes Shake Up White House Race

If they find success with this outright lie and fabrication I will puke. By the way, I read the article. It did not even mention the fact that the redistribution quote was with respect to government resources.

614 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:54:53am

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

No, now's a good time. It's a good way to push back against the rioter's veto.

Idealism over common sense. This will not change anything and only make matters worse.

615 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:55:28am

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

No, now's a good time. It's a good way to push back against the rioter's veto.

It's a good time to sit back and watch innocent people get killed.

616 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:56:16am

Issues of the magazine hit newsstands on Wednesday with the front cover showing an Orthodox Jew pushing a figure in a wheelchair wearing a turban.

617 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:56:48am

re: #614 Gus

Idealism over common sense. This will not change anything and only make matters worse.

Let them hate and attack. If they do it in France, it lets police crack down and jail the worst of the haters. And the violence will remind those who might otherwise forget of the continuing threat radical Islam poses.

618 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:57:01am

Notice how he threw the Jews in the fire.

Now is it still OK?

619 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:57:38am

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

No, now's a good time. It's a good way to push back against the rioter's veto.

For some reason I think of George Zimmerman saying to himself, now is a good time to follow that kid with a hoodie. Its a good way to puch back against crime in our neighborhood.

620 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:58:01am

Silence infidel!
Pakistan activists target controversial French magazine's website in prophet row

Pakistani hackers claim they were responsible for bringing down a French magazine website after it published nude cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed.

Website still down.

621 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:58:18am
622 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:58:49am

Le Pen anyone?

623 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:01:11am
624 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:01:21am

re: #619 Petero1818

For some reason I think of George Zimmerman saying to himself, now is a good time to follow that kid with a hoodie. Its a good way to puch back against crime in our neighborhood.

The problem with that analogy is that by Zimmerman's own account Trayvon Martin had taken no aggressive action prior to that point, while the Islamists have indeed already acted aggressively.

625 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:01:39am

Notice how the defense is slowing down. I wonder why that would be?

626 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:01:55am
627 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:02:50am

re: #624 Dark_Falcon

The problem with that analogy is that by Zimmerman's own account Trayvon Martin had taken no aggressive action prior to that point, while the Islamists have indeed already acted aggressively.

The problem with that is it's like saying some black kid somewhere looked threatening so might as well incite more of them to remind people what a threat they are.

628 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:03:00am

re: #625 Gus

They're running out of money. They've got to conserve it until trial.

629 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:03:26am
630 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:03:38am

re: #628 lawhawk

They're running out of money. They've got to conserve it until trial.

I was talking about people defending the cartoon. :)

631 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:04:33am

re: #621 Gus

Image: charlie-hebdo-cover.jpeg

Here's the context...
Prophet Mohammed cartoons: editor of French magazine Charlie Hebdo defends publishing images amid criticism

The front page cartoon had the wheelchair-bound figure saying "You must not mock" under the headline "Untouchable 2", a reference to a hugely popular French movie about a paralysed rich white man and his black assistant. Inside pages had cartoons whose captions mentioned the Prophet and several caricatures of the Prophet showed him naked.

...

At Charlie Hebdo's offices, where police had been on guard since the early hours of the morning, the editor defended the publication saying he regularly lampooned all forms of extremism.

"One gets the impression it's okay for Charlie Hebdo to criticise the Catholic extreme right. But one isn't allowed to poke fun at Muslim fundamentalists. It's clearly a new rule that we will have to take note of. But we won't respect it," the editor, Charb, told reporters who had been waiting outside since before daybreak. Charb does not use a family name.

632 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:04:40am
633 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:05:49am

re: #627 wrenchwench

The problem with that is it's like saying some black kid somewhere looked threatening so might as well incite more of them to remind people what a threat they are.

Ah, but again we come back to the fact that we're talking about how Trayvon Martin looked, not about how he in fact acted prior to Zimmerman getting out of his truck.

Whereas with the Islamists they have already acted violently and leveled unreasonable demands at us.

634 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:06:05am

re: #624 Dark_Falcon

The problem with that analogy is that by Zimmerman's own account Trayvon Martin had taken no aggressive action prior to that point, while the Islamists have indeed already acted aggressively.

I am well aware that it is not a perfect analogy. However, one needs to take care not to unduly inflame in a particular circumstance because of the law of unintended consequences. Zimmerman did not need to do what he did and both paid a price. There is no need to inflame here. We all know that rioting in response to religious defamation is wrong. Why escalate. We know what will happen. The rioting will intensify and tens if not hundreds will die. What is the point unless the goal is to sacrifice innocent life to focus more attention on the idiotic actions of zealots.

635 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:06:24am

re: #631 Killgore Trout

Here's the context...
Prophet Mohammed cartoons: editor of French magazine Charlie Hebdo defends publishing images amid criticism

...

Is "untouchable" an anti-Jewish meme? I have to Google this.

636 GunstarGreen  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:06:59am

re: #617 Dark_Falcon

Let them hate and attack. If they do it in France, it lets police crack down and jail the worst of the haters. And the violence will remind those who might otherwise forget of the continuing threat radical Islam poses.

Did anybody ever get a read on what religion the Colorado theater attacker followed? Or that guy that shot up the Unitarian church? Or the one that murdered George Tiller?

637 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:07:35am

I have no problem with this really. But now? It's fucking dumb.

638 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:08:15am

re: #621 Gus

Image: charlie-hebdo-cover.jpeg

What am I missing? A random Jew is doing something kind for a random disabled Muslim. I don't see where the Muslim is THE Mohammed or that the Jew is THE Moses or THE King David or THE Lubavitcher Rebbe.

639 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:08:53am

re: #638 Sheila Brovlofski

What am I missing? A random Jew is doing something kind for a random disabled Muslim. I don't see where the Muslim is THE Mohammed or that the Jew is THE Moses or THE King David or THE Lubavitcher Rebbe.

I don't either.

640 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:09:45am

re: #630 Gus

Oh, I thought you were commenting on the Zimmerman trial news following the ABC report about the DNA on the gun grip.

641 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:10:21am

re: #636 GunstarGreen

Did anybody ever get a read on what religion the Colorado theater attacker followed? Or that guy that shot up the Unitarian church? Or the one that murdered George Tiller?

What are you saying? I don't see how that is at all relevant.

642 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:10:54am

re: #638 Sheila Brovlofski

What am I missing? A random Jew is doing something kind for a random disabled Muslim. I don't see where the Muslim is THE Mohammed or that the Jew is THE Moses or THE King David or THE Lubavitcher Rebbe.

I think, and I may be mistaken, that they are putting Jews and Muslims together as groups that try to stifle free speech. I think it is a jab at Muslims for the Riots, and Jews for attempting to paint any criticism of Israel as anti semitism.

643 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:11:03am

re: #637 Gus

I have no problem with this really. But now? It's fucking dumb.

I wish instead, the magazine had commented on the ridiculous response by protestors over the anti-muslim film.
This is a time for ridicule, but this seems like a dare more than anything else.

644 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:12:00am

Wow. Peggy Noonan really does let Mitt have it:

As for those workers who don’t pay any income taxes, they pay payroll taxes—Social Security and Medicare. They want to rise in the world and make more money. They’d like to file a 1040 because that will mean they got a raise or a better job.

They too are potential Romney voters, because they’re suffering under the no-growth economy.

So: Romney’s theory of the case is all wrong. His understanding of the political topography is wrong.

And his tone is fatalistic. I can’t win these guys who will only vote their economic interests, but I can win these guys who will vote their economic interests, plus some guys in the middle, whoever they are.

That’s too small and pinched and narrow. That’s not how Republicans emerge victorious—”I can’t win these guys.” You have to have more respect than that, and more affection, you don’t write anyone off, you invite everyone in. Reagan in 1984 used to put out his hand: “Come too, come walk with me.” Come join, come help, whatever is happening in your life.

You know what Romney sounded like? Like a kid new to politics who thinks he got the inside lowdown on how it works from some operative. But those old operatives, they never know how it works. They knew how it worked for one cycle back in the day.

They’re jockeys who rode Seabiscuit and thought they won a race.

645 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:12:02am

re: #612 Dark_Falcon

No, now's a good time. It's a good way to push back against the rioter's veto.

These people will at some point have to learn that in dealing with the West at least, they have to accept the separation of church and state, along with our notions of freedom of speech and artistic freedom.

The state cannot intervene to forbid such speech. It does not have to approve of it or support it in any way. That notion is foreign to them, they are used to living in countries where the state approves everything that is broadcast, published or otherwise released.

And if they want us to recognize and respect their new "democracies", then they had better learn to deal with ours.

646 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:12:45am

re: #642 Petero1818

I think, and I may be mistaken, that they are putting Jews and Muslims together as groups that try to stifle free speech. I think it is a jab at Muslims for the Riots, and Jews for attempting to paint any criticism of Israel as anti semitism.

I didn't see any photos of Jews rioting. Usually when Jews riot, they attack innocent unsuspecting garbage dumpsters.

647 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:16:25am

re: #639 Gus

It's not the cover art, it is the cartoons inside the edition that are much more risque and likely to offend Muslims.

At the same time, Untouchables 2 seems to be an imagined sequel to a French film. Summary via IMDB:

A rich quadriplegic, living in a mansion in Paris, requires a live-in carer. A young offender turns up for an interview, but he is not really looking to get the job. However, to his surprise, he is hired. The two men then develop a close friendship.

Sort of an opposites attract/different worlds collide in a positive fashion but one that is likely to offend.

648 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:16:28am

re: #646 Sheila Brovlofski

I didn't see any photos of Jews rioting. Usually when Jews riot, they attack innocent unsuspecting garbage dumpsters.

Not sure what you are saying. I did not say Jews were rioting. My point is that there is a school of thought prevalent in Europe and in pockets in North America that has grown weary of the ADL and Jews generally complaining that attacks on Israel are anti-semitic. There would be many in France (LE PEn) that view Muslims and Jews in a similar way. They are both "L'etranger" they don't belong, and apparently feel that they are not free to criticize them, make fun of them, and legislate against them.

649 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:16:32am

re: #635 Gus

Is "untouchable" an anti-Jewish meme? I have to Google this.

It's a reference to a very popular French movie
The Intouchables
Sort of like Driving Miss Daisy. Has nothing to do with antisemitism

650 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:16:52am

re: #644 Lidane

Wow. Peggy Noonan really does let Mitt have it:

If you're a Republican and you've lost Noonan, you're most likely looking at an unprecedented ass-whupping.

651 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:17:49am

It's poor fucking timing. End of story.

652 GunstarGreen  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:18:06am

re: #641 Dark_Falcon

What are you saying? I don't see how that is at all relevant.

What I'm saying is that for all this "reminding people of the threat of Radical Islam" talk, there sure are a lot of cases of domestic terrorism that are perpetrated by non-Muslims. Recent cases, often involving multiple deaths/injuries. Yet I never hear anyone talking about "reminding people of the threat of Radical X".

I mean, I haven't even gotten into the Sikh temple attack, the repeated firebombing of that one mosque...

653 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:19:30am

Now trending, for some effing reason... #WhoIsGaryJohnson

654 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:20:47am

Channeling Nazi Germany, nasty fuck Mary Matalin says this:

"There are makers and takers, there are producers and there are parasites," she said. "Americans can distinguish between those who have produced and paid in through no fault of their own and because of Obama's horrible polcies who cannot get a job or are underemployed. That's what the campaign is about."

655 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:21:04am

re: #652 GunstarGreen

What I'm saying is that for all this "reminding people of the threat of Radical Islam" talk, there sure are a lot of cases of domestic terrorism that are perpetrated by non-Muslims. Recent cases, often involving multiple deaths/injuries. Yet I never hear anyone talking about "reminding people of the threat of Radical X".

I mean, I haven't even gotten into the Sikh temple attack, the repeated firebombing of that one mosque...

Yet Charles surely used the murder of Dr. Tiller as a warning of the threat posed by anti-abortion evangelical radicals, and the entire legitimate political spectrum used the attack on the Sikh temple as a warning of the threat still posed by neo-Nazis.

656 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:21:17am

re: #653 Mocking Jay

Now trending, for some effing reason... #WhoIsGaryJohnson

HA! Maybe growing numbers of Republicans are putting on the life jackets and about to take the Glibertarian plunge, so to speak?

657 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:21:55am

re: #654 Amory Blaine

Channeling Nazi Germany, nasty fuck Mary Matalin says this:

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Eh. This is a no-Godwin zone. Seriously, you could've just said she's gone Galt and been just as funny and, as a bonus, more accurate.

658 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:22:17am

re: #656 makeitstop

HA! Maybe growing numbers of Republicans are putting on the life jackets and about to take the Glibertarian plunge, so to speak?

lol

What have you got to lose?!

659 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:22:21am

re: #654 Amory Blaine

Channeling Nazi Germany, nasty fuck Mary Matalin says this:

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Downding for a Godwin's Law violation.

660 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:22:33am

[Link: firstread.nbcnews.com...]
“The point we’re trying to make here is under the Obama economy, government dependency is up and economic stagnation is up, and what we’re trying to achieve is getting people off of government dependency and back to a job that pays well and gets them onto a path of prosperity.”
From a guy whose made his career in government, that's rich. Really, get back to me when your party stops using the same government to coddle businesses.

661 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:22:44am

re: #653 Mocking Jay

Now trending, for some effing reason... #WhoIsGaryJohnson

Gary Johnson is going to be the excuse the Republicans use for losing certain states and hence the election. In other words the claim will be he'll be for Romney v Obama what Perot was for Bush v Clinton or Nader was for Gore v Bush. "If it hadn't been for that strong third party turnout..."

662 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:23:41am

re: #651 Gus

It's poor fucking timing. End of story.

Profit!

663 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:23:49am

re: #654 Amory Blaine

Channeling Nazi Germany, nasty fuck Mary Matalin says this:

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Wow, parasites. Really, that's a really fucked up way of looking at your fellow Americans, Matalin.

664 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:24:02am

Going "Galt" is a fantasy in a novel. This is real life.

665 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:25:01am

re: #659 Dark_Falcon

Downding for a Godwin's Law violation.

Free speech! //

Yeah, I'm not into the Godwins myself.

666 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:25:52am

re: #664 Amory Blaine

Going "Galt" is a fantasy in a novel. This is real life.

Let me know when she starts executing Jews and Gypsies, okay?

667 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:25:57am

Interesting the contrasts between the free speech of Mohamed cartoons and the free speech of Godwin.

668 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:26:08am

I can count one one hand my Godwin violations. This is appropriate.

669 Petero1818  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:26:45am

re: #660 HappyWarrior

Tax cuts are really good. Paying more tax than you are required by law is idiotic. People who make so little that they have tax cuts so that they can eat, are freeloaders.

670 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:26:49am

IOW. Comparing people to Nazis is prohibited yet ridiculing Mohamed and a culture is OK.

671 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:27:16am

re: #664 Amory Blaine

Going "Galt" is a fantasy in a novel. This is real life.

It also represents Objectivism, which is real and would have been totally appropriate.

672 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:27:51am

So, sadly, Gary Johnson has fallen off the top ten. BUT! We now have this: #missing2min

673 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:28:45am

re: #670 Gus

IOW. Comparing people to Nazis is prohibited yet ridiculing Mohamed and a culture is OK.

Downdings are not prohibition. They are a simply let people know I don't like something.

674 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:29:04am

re: #661 kirkspencer

Had Gore held NH in 2000, FL would have been a footnote since Gore would have gotten to 270+ without FL. /just sayin'

I don't think this election is going to be that close (as in 2000). I think it's going to be much closer to the 2008 turnout and result and the GOP wont be able to blame the loss on a 3d party candidate either.

If the election is close and the GOP still loses, they will look to blame a 3d party challenger because it takes the heat off their massive failures as it avoids the need for introspection over how divisive their policies truly are.

675 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:29:57am
676 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:30:14am

re: #661 kirkspencer

Gary Johnson is going to be the excuse the Republicans use for losing certain states and hence the election. In other words the claim will be he'll be for Romney v Obama what Perot was for Bush v Clinton or Nader was for Gore v Bush. "If it hadn't been for that strong third party turnout..."

I love the headlines in New Mexico where they say "Johnson Hurts Romney..." Gee, maybe he needs to see a urologist or something.

677 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:30:14am

re: #674 lawhawk

Had Gore held NH in 2000, FL would have been a footnote since Gore would have gotten to 270+ without FL. /just sayin'

I don't think this election is going to be that close (as in 2000). I think it's going to be much closer to the 2008 turnout and result and the GOP wont be able to blame the loss on a 3d party candidate either.

If the election is close and the GOP still loses, they will look to blame a 3d party challenger because it takes the heat off their massive failures as it avoids the need for introspection over how divisive their policies truly are.

Well introspection is what they badly need at this point win or lose honestly.

678 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:31:02am

re: #675 Mocking Jay

Sorry, but the missing two minutes is the conversation that Mitt had with Jets coach Rex Ryan on how to unleash the Tebow/wildcat - fixing the Jets offense to the point that they will be the most potent offensive machine in football history. /

679 bratwurst  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:31:20am

re: #673 Dark_Falcon

Downdings are not prohibition. They are a simply let people know I don't like something.

But you are cool with what Mary Matalin said as long as it helps Mitt win I presume?

680 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:32:28am

re: #679 bratwurst

But you are cool with what Mary Matalin said as long as it helps Mitt win I presume?

Come on..he didn't say that!

681 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:33:21am

re: #667 Gus

Interesting the contrasts between the free speech of Mohamed cartoons and the free speech of Godwin.

Yes, it is interesting. Nobody wants to pass laws preventing you from calling people Nazis, Nobody will kill you for calling people Nazis, Embassies around the world don't shut down when you call people Nazis, Nobody is claiming you shouldn't call people Nazis today because a cleric in a foreign country says so. The interesting differences are countless.

682 danarchy  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:34:19am

re: #614 Gus

Idealism over common sense. This will not change anything and only make matters worse.

Part of me agrees with this and part of me thinks if they are going to get that worked up over cartoons, fuck em.

Maybe if it became common place and people weren't so terrified to do it that it wasn't such a big deal when someone did the rage would burn out and eventually they will just roll their eyes and get on with their day like the rest of us(to paraphrase the onion) I mean you can only riot so much before you have to get back to the business of living right.

Of course then you think how many people have to die for that to happen and is that cost worth it. Tough question.

683 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:34:44am

I've often posted pages about the National Republican Trust (which is not actually part of the GOP) and its founder Scott Wheeler. Well now ole Scott is supporting Michele Bachmann in her Congressional campaign. His latest DERP is the following ad that he's trying to raise funds to buy airtime for:

684 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:35:02am

re: #681 Killgore Trout

Yes, it is interesting. Nobody wants to pass laws preventing you from calling people Nazis, Nobody will kill you for calling people Nazis, Embassies around the world don't shut down when you call people Nazis, Nobody is claiming you shouldn't call people Nazis today because a cleric in a foreign country says so. The interesting differences are countless.

I knew that would come up. Right, people won't riot because you call them Nazis unlike THOSE people. Doesn't help.

685 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:35:28am

Calling Americans parasites is fair game now thanks to the GOP. Income's not the right height.

686 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:35:36am

re: #682 danarchy

Part of me agrees with this and part of me thinks if they are going to get that worked up over cartoons, fuck em.

Maybe if it became common place and people weren't so terrified to do it that it wasn't such a big deal when someone did the rage would burn out and eventually they will just roll their eyes and get on with their day like the rest of us(to paraphrase the onion) I mean you can only riot so much before you have to get back to the business of living right.

Of course then you think how many people have to die for that to happen and is that cost worth it. Tough question.

Then expect a lot of people to die in the mean time.

687 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:36:00am

re: #681 Killgore Trout

Yes, it is interesting. Nobody wants to pass laws preventing you from calling people Nazis, Nobody will kill you for calling people Nazis, Embassies around the world don't shut down when you call people Nazis, Nobody is claiming you shouldn't call people Nazis today because a cleric in a foreign country says so. The interesting differences are countless.

Yes, Godwin's law is a common sense one.
Maybe there should be a common sense law that says one should not gratuitously attack other religions just because you can.

688 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:37:00am

re: #687 blueraven

Yes, Godwin's law is a common sense one.
Maybe there should be a common sense law that says one should not gratuitously attack other religions just because you can.

Maybe there should be a law that prohibits you from violently attacking people who criticize your religion, too...

689 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:37:18am

re: #682 danarchy

Part of me agrees with this and part of me thinks if they are going to get that worked up over cartoons, fuck em.

Maybe if it became common place and people weren't so terrified to do it that it wasn't such a big deal when someone did the rage would burn out and eventually they will just roll their eyes and get on with their day like the rest of us(to paraphrase the onion) I mean you can only riot so much before you have to get back to the business of living right.

Of course then you think how many people have to die for that to happen and is that cost worth it. Tough question.

It is a tough question and not one to be taken lightly. I do tend to think that accommodating the religious sensibilities of violent extremists only perpetuates the problem. Any hint of fear or self censorship only emboldens them.

690 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:37:26am

re: #674 lawhawk

Had Gore held NH in 2000, FL would have been a footnote since Gore would have gotten to 270+ without FL. /just sayin'

I don't think this election is going to be that close (as in 2000). I think it's going to be much closer to the 2008 turnout and result and the GOP wont be able to blame the loss on a 3d party candidate either.

If the election is close and the GOP still loses, they will look to blame a 3d party challenger because it takes the heat off their massive failures as it avoids the need for introspection over how divisive their policies truly are.

Doesn't matter whether it's close or not, some will use Gary Johnson as their excuse. Not alone, of course -- we'll hear about voter fraud/stolen elections (the recent court decisions about voter ID) and how Romney wasn't really a conservative and many other excuses. But he'll be one of the common excuses.

Oh, yeah, another prediction. I think this year is the peak GOP vote as proportion of voters. We've been seeing an uptick in populations that don't vote GOP (non-white, young, etc.) and I think they'll cross the threshold of majority between now and 2016. I'm guessing the year it'll be obvious will be the year Castro runs for governor of Texas, which will probably be 2014.

691 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:37:43am

re: #688 47 turn it up to 11

Maybe there should be a law that prohibits you from violently attacking people who criticize your religion, too...

There are real laws for that.

692 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:37:43am
693 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:38:59am

DERPTY DERP

694 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:39:27am

re: #682 danarchy

Part of me agrees with this and part of me thinks if they are going to get that worked up over cartoons, fuck em.

Repeat: if these people want us to respect and support their new "democracies", then they need to start getting used to the way we do democracy in the west: separation of church and state, freedom of speech and artistic expression.

If they are trying to achieve democracy without respecting the latter, they are not going to get very far.

695 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:40:07am

Does Derpshit Bryan Fischer believe that people actually WANT to be on food stamps instead of having a decent job?

696 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:40:23am

Rick Scott Paid Absentee Ballot Broker $5,000 For ‘Contract Labor’

In the name of election integrity, Florida governor Rick Scott (R) has aggressively pursued voter purges, restricted voter registration drives and reduced early voting hours. However, his campaign finance reports reveal Scott’s 2010 campaign paid $5,000 to an accused absentee ballot broker for unspecified “contract labor.”

Before the 2011 municipal elections, 74-year-old Hialeh resident Emelina Llanes was accused of being a boletera, or someone who ostensibly helps voters deliver their ballots, but often tries to influence or bribe voters as they fill them out. Llanes, who worked for Mayor Carlos Hernandez at the time, visited elderly members of the community to talk to them about politics and delivered dozens of ballots.

Though records show Scott hired her for his gubernatorial campaign, her work for him remains unclear. Ballot brokering is one of the few methods of voter fraud that is in fact a problem in Miami-Dade County; other boleteros have been charged with forging signatures and taking advantage of senile voters. The Miami Herald’s report on boleteros may provide some insight into Scott’s payment:

“The ‘boleteros’ hover on the edge of the letter and spirit of the law,” said Christian Ulvert, a top state Democratic campaign consultant who has run races in Little Havana and Miami Beach.

“These boleteros in Miami Dade have become like some political consultants,” Ulvert added. “You don’t want them working for you. But you don’t want them working against you. So some candidates figure you just have to pay them.”

697 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:40:45am

re: #694 47 turn it up to 11

Repeat: if these people want us to respect and support their new "democracies", then they need to start getting used to the way we do democracy in the west: separation of church and state, freedom of speech and artistic expression.

If they are trying to achieve democracy without respecting the latter, they are not going to get very far.

Democracy should not mean "tyranny of the majority".

698 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:41:13am

re: #695 Sheila Brovlofski

Does Derpshit Bryan Fischer believe that people actually WANT to be on food stamps instead of having a decent job?

Does he realize what the requirements are, besides the so-called work requirement, to be on food stamps?

699 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:41:22am

re: #695 Sheila Brovlofski

Does Derpshit Bryan Fischer believe that people actually WANT to be on food stamps instead of having a decent job?

Yes, he does.

700 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:42:30am

ZOMG NEW OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE:
Jay-Z and Beyonce had $800 bottles of champagne stacked up at their Dem fundraiser!1!ty

701 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:43:26am

re: #694 47 turn it up to 11

Repeat: if these people want us to respect and support their new "democracies", then they need to start getting used to the way we do democracy in the west: separation of church and state, freedom of speech and artistic expression.

If they are trying to achieve democracy without respecting the latter, they are not going to get very far.

You mean like Poland? Or would that be like our second largest ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia. No protests there. Like that?

702 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:43:44am

re: #700 Sheila Brovlofski

ZOMG NEW OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE:
Jay-Z and Beyonce had $800 bottles of champagne stacked up at their Dem fundraiser!1!ty

I'm surprised they haven't freaked out over Jay-Z hosting a fundraiser for POTUS considering how they flipped their shit when he invited that rappper, Common to a WH function.

703 Sheila Broflovski  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:44:02am

re: #698 kirkspencer

Does he realize what the requirements are, besides the so-called work requirement, to be on food stamps?

Maybe he doesn't realize that a lot of people on food stamps also work full time. (Wal-Mart, Staples, Target, KFC, etc.)

704 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:44:58am

Ouch.

705 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:45:00am

It's easier just to lie which is Fischer's sole job at this point.

706 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:45:37am

re: #700 Sheila Brovlofski

ZOMG NEW OUTRAGEOUS OUTRAGE:
Jay-Z and Beyonce had $800 bottles of champagne stacked up at their Dem fundraiser!1!ty

WHY DO THE RIGHT WING PUNDITS HATE SUCCESS?!?!?

707 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:46:03am

re: #701 Gus

You mean like Poland? Or would that be like our second largest ally in the Middle East, Saudi Arabia. No protests there. Like that?

Saudi Arabia is a stinking feudal monarchy. Our dependency on their natural resources forces us to just shut up and acquiesce to however they wish to run their country.

And if a "democracy" ever starts to gain traction there, we will be stuck between an Iraq and a much harder place.

708 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:46:14am

re: #703 Sheila Brovlofski

Maybe he doesn't realize that a lot of people on food stamps also work full time. (Wal-Mart, Staples, Target, KFC, etc.)

Bryan Fischer just doesn't care about the facts. If he tramples them, them to him he's just Lying For Jesus.

709 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:46:19am

re: #704 Mocking Jay

Ouch.

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I guess Mitt thinks his dad was a victim.

710 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:46:51am

Parasites can be industrious, and yet detrimental. Kinda like billionaires that hoard money and wealth beyond anyone's wildest dreams but seek policies that allow them to expand and extend their wealth at the expense of everyone else - including the poor and middle class. /ows

711 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:47:40am

What the hell is wrong with this party?

712 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:47:47am

Interesting.

713 GunstarGreen  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:48:11am

re: #695 Sheila Brovlofski

Does Derpshit Bryan Fischer believe that people actually WANT to be on food stamps instead of having a decent job?

Yes. To avaricious people, it is inconceivable that anyone could be getting something for free to assist them in continuing to exist, but be willing to give that free thing up in exchange for a life that doesn't suck as much. They are also incapable of conceiving of a person that lives off of so little that foodstamps are a necessary thing to prevent starvation.

This is also where the oft-cited "Half the country doesn't even pay income tax!" outrage comes from. They cannot wrap their heads around the idea that that doesn't mean that half the country evades taxes somehow, but rather that half the country makes so little that there is nothing to tax.

714 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:48:22am

re: #707 47 turn it up to 11

Saudi Arabia is a stinking feudal monarchy. Our dependency on their natural resources forces us to just shut up and acquiesce to however they wish to run their country.

And if a "democracy" ever starts to gain traction there, we will be stuck between an Iraq and a much harder place.

Democracy is good when it favors us, otherwise not so much.

715 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:49:46am

Looks like this attracted the old Lizards.

716 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:50:57am

The Embassy Attacks: Hyperbole, Hypocrisy and Hujarat

There is perhaps no other area of the world that can dominate a string of news cycles like the Middle East. Getting the world's attention, it seems, is the easy part. Getting it for the right reasons? That's another story.

After the positive and hopeful coverage of last year's popular uprisings, there was cause to believe that perhaps the tide had shifted, that no longer would coverage of the region hinge on violence and anti-American discord. Syria, however, thoroughly undid this hope in the first instance, with this past week's events dismantling the latter optimism.

So here we are again. The brief epoch of peaceful Muslims of all stripes seeking freedom has degenerated back to archetypal scenes of angry Muslim mobs.

How did this happen?

Much about the embassy attacks and the film that spawned them remains unclear. From the outset, however, familiar themes were apparent...

717 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:51:30am

Next you'll be telling me that Islamaphobia doesn't exist.

718 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:52:17am

LGF is having a brief relapse this morning. Please stand by.

719 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:52:48am

Reid: Romney May Be One Of The 47 Percent

Thousands of families making more than $1 million pay nothing in federal income taxes each year.

Is Mitt Romney among them?

We’ll never know, since he refuses to release tax returns from the years before he was running for president.

But from the one return we have seen, we know Mitt Romney pays a lower tax rate than middle class families thanks to Swiss bank accounts and Cayman Island tax shelters.

And we can only imagine what new secrets would be revealed if he showed the American people a dozen years of tax returns, like his father did.

720 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:52:59am

Folks, I'm expecting an important phone call so I need to log off for a short time. Back after I'm done.

721 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:53:10am

Old lizards never die, they just smell that way.
/

722 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:53:15am

Bible quotes on sniper scopes.

723 kirkspencer  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:53:30am

re: #703 Sheila Brovlofski

Maybe he doesn't realize that a lot of people on food stamps also work full time. (Wal-Mart, Staples, Target, KFC, etc.)

This is the 2012 pay chart for the US military.
This is the requirements chart (specifically income) for food stamp eligibility.

Notice that an E5 who is married and has two children is eligible for food stamps if he's been in for less than four years - and at four years he exceeds the qualification by $65 per month. Add a third child and the sergeant has to be in for over eight years to be no longer eligible.

724 Shropshire_Slasher  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:56:46am

What is the barret 50 cal for $200

725 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:56:55am

you can see that fucked news thinks mitt's in trouble over these remarks since their top headline today is full on magic balance fairy

'Redistribution' vs. 'Victims': Dueling Quotes Shake Up White House Race

riiiight...

726 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:57:02am

Surrogate Unable To Detail Romney’s Spending Cuts: ‘Every Item’ Has To Be Cut

Virginia governor and Mitt Romney surrogate Bob McDonnell (R) appeared on CNN’s Starting Point on Wednesday morning to tout the GOP presidential candidate’s “detailed plan of five items that he can get done that will get people back to work.” But pressed on the details of Romney’s proposal, McDonnell demurred, repeatedly refusing to explain which programs Romney would cut to meet his goal of slashing $500 billion per year within four years after he takes office.

“I think what you need is courage and honesty with the people and say, listen, everybody that’s getting — every item in the — in the budget has got to be cut some,” McDonnell declared, “including defense.”

Will the defense cuts come before or after the trillion dollars Romney promised to push into defense spending?
/

727 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:57:23am

re: #629 Mocking Jay

Media not as interested in portraying the Senate races as a neck-and-neck horse race a factor?

728 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:58:07am

re: #720 Dark_Falcon

Folks, I'm expecting an important phone call so I need to log off for a short time. Back after I'm done.

Whoa. Dial-up flashback...

729 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:58:16am

So if you're X*Mart, not only do you benefit by paying your employees so little they are on food stamps, you put taxpayers money in your pocket when the employees spend their food stamps in the store.

730 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:59:24am

re: #726 Kragar

Surrogate Unable To Detail Romney’s Spending Cuts: ‘Every Item’ Has To Be Cut

Will the defense cuts come before or after the trillion dollars Romney promised to push into defense spending?
/

Wait, McDonnell's saying defense needs to be considered to be cut yet they're running ads here in Virginia for both Romney and Allen accusing Obama and Kaine of supporting defense cuts that will in their words ruin Virginia jobs. Anyhow, McDonnell's another bullshit artist. Runs as a moderate and then goes all so-con on choice once in office.

732 Kragar  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:59:45am

re: #728 Mocking Jay

Whoa. Dial-up flashback...

That moment of sheer terror when the phone rings and you realize you're about to get kicked off your internet connection.

733 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:59:45am

the #missing2min hashtag is cracking me up.

734 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:59:50am

re: #721 Tommy's cone of shame

Old lizards never die, they just smell that way.
/

Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.
Old man look at my life,
I'm a lot like you were.

Old man look at my life,
Twenty four
And there's so much more
Live alone in a paradise
That makes me think of two.

Love lost, such a cost,
Give me things
That don't get lost.
Like a coin that won't get tossed
Rolling home to you.

735 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 9:59:50am

re: #727 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste

Media not as interested in portraying the Senate races as a neck-and-neck horse race a factor?

Well, that's Nate Silver. The talking heads will interpret the polls as they see fit.

736 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:00:21am

re: #713 GunstarGreen

Yes. To avaricious people, it is inconceivable that anyone could be getting something for free to assist them in continuing to exist, but be willing to give that free thing up in exchange for a life that doesn't suck as much. They are also incapable of conceiving of a person that lives off of so little that foodstamps are a necessary thing to prevent starvation.

Not sure how much of it is malicious avarice and how much is just an antiquated mindset that self-respecting people do not accept handouts of any kind. That is still prevalent in the older generation of Americans.

737 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:00:22am

I now wait to see the reactions.

738 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:01:14am

Jesse Jackson secures release of 2 American prisoners on death row in Gambia

[Link: www.suntimes.com...]

739 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:01:42am

re: #719 Kragar

Reid: Romney May Be One Of The 47 Percent

My (screen) name is makeitstop, and I approve this message.

I knew Reid would get back to the tax returns eventually.

740 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:02:00am

re: #685 Amory Blaine

Calling Americans parasites is fair game now thanks to the GOP. Income's not the right height.

Laying the ground work for getting voting rights for vultures.

741 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:03:32am

iOS 6 is up and ready for download, for those of you into that Apple thing.

742 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:06:37am

Chick fil-A says it's going to stop funding anti-gay groups.

Chick-fil-A has agreed to stop funding groups with anti-same-sex marriage stances, according to a statement released Wednesday by LGBT advocacy group The Civil Rights Agenda.

Chicago Alderman Joe Moreno, who had blocked the fast-food chain from opening stores in Chicago because of its anti-gay views, likewise announced he would now let Chick-fil-A open up new outlets after he received a letter this morning from the company stating that they would cease donating to the groups.

Chick-fil-A's lead spokesperson on the issue, Steve Robinson, was said to be “on vacation for the week” when his office was reached by phone, and requests for comment were directed to a general voicemail box. Civil Rights Agenda (CRA) and Moreno's office also did not respond to emailed requests.

Chick-fil-A directed news outlets to statements the company had previously posted on Facebook declaring the company did not have discriminatory policies. However, when pressed by reporters, the chain did not deny this morning's reports.

743 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:08:59am

Separation of church and state...

Image: 08_baptism_in_iraq.jpg

744 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:09:11am

re: #742 lawhawk

Chick fil-A says it's going to stop funding anti-gay groups.

Don't think Chick-Fil-A has any subsidiaries in the Middle east...

745 dragonath  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:09:27am

You know things are getting desperate, when you see stories like this from the Wall Street Journal:

What Romney Might Have Said

From the newspaper that brought you the term Lucky Duckies™

746 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:09:38am

re: #719 Kragar

Reid: Romney May Be One Of The 47 Percent

Harry Reid, the 2012 electoral honey badger. He just doesn't give a shit.

747 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:10:00am

The thing about the Romney fundarising tape is how relaxed he seems. Most of the time when he's talking or doing a media thing or whatever, he's very stiff, he's very in control. This tape is the only time I've seen him where he seems comfortable, and it's while he's comfortable that he's saying his most extreme and stupid stuff.

That's a big part of it: the Romney campaign kept telling us there was a relaxed, human, jovial Romney, and now we've seen it, and he's relaxed and jovial while dismissing half of America as lazy assholes.

748 makeitstop  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:11:19am

re: #747 Obdicut

The thing about the Romney fundarising tape is how relaxed he seems. Most of the time when he's talking or doing a media thing or whatever, he's very stiff, he's very in control. This tape is the only time I've seen him where he seems comfortable, and it's while he's comfortable that he's saying his most extreme and stupid stuff.

That's a big part of it: the Romney campaign kept telling us there was a relaxed, human, jovial Romney, and now we've seen it, and he's relaxed and jovial while dismissing half of America as lazy assholes.

He's completely relaxed in front of a crowd that paid $50K a head to listen to him.

749 Mocking Jay  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:12:05am
750 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:12:37am

re: #747 Obdicut

The thing about the Romney fundarising tape is how relaxed he seems. Most of the time when he's talking or doing a media thing or whatever, he's very stiff, he's very in control. This tape is the only time I've seen him where he seems comfortable, and it's while he's comfortable that he's saying his most extreme and stupid stuff.

That's a big part of it: the Romney campaign kept telling us there was a relaxed, human, jovial Romney, and now we've seen it, and he's relaxed and jovial while dismissing half of America as lazy assholes.

That's a real good point.

751 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:18:46am
752 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:20:11am

re: #747 Obdicut

The thing about the Romney fundarising tape is how relaxed he seems. Most of the time when he's talking or doing a media thing or whatever, he's very stiff, he's very in control. This tape is the only time I've seen him where he seems comfortable, and it's while he's comfortable that he's saying his most extreme and stupid stuff.

That's a big part of it: the Romney campaign kept telling us there was a relaxed, human, jovial Romney, and now we've seen it, and he's relaxed and jovial while dismissing half of America as lazy assholes.

Yes, Romney seems very comfortable around white rich people, and this observation got one reporter fired from politico.

753 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:21:19am

re: #747 Obdicut

The thing about the Romney fundarising tape is how relaxed he seems. Most of the time when he's talking or doing a media thing or whatever, he's very stiff, he's very in control. This tape is the only time I've seen him where he seems comfortable, and it's while he's comfortable that he's saying his most extreme and stupid stuff.

That's a big part of it: the Romney campaign kept telling us there was a relaxed, human, jovial Romney, and now we've seen it, and he's relaxed and jovial while dismissing half of America as lazy assholes.

One quote that needs more play is, "We hang around with fellow Republicans..."

754 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:21:27am

Because all of these men believed in the same exact things:

755 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:24:04am

re: #754 Lidane

[facepalm]

756 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:25:07am

re: #751 Amory Blaine

What are they going to do? Upgrade Mitt's software to version 3.0? Reboot to an older software version since the current version is unstable and the beta test revealed serious inconsistencies? /

757 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:26:13am

About that two state solution....
Palestinian leadership considers withdrawing from the Oslo accords

President Mahmoud Abbas is considering cancelling the 1993 Oslo accords, and related economic agreements, according to media reports. The issue was discussed at a meeting of the Palestinian leadership at the weekend, the reports said.

The issue has been raised against the backdrop of renewed warnings that a two state solution to the conflict may no longer be possible.

In a speech to be delivered on Thursday, Britain's former foreign secretary David Miliband will say: "For the first time in a long time there is no 'peace process'. Not even the pretence of one."

He will urge world leaders not to forget the cause of a Palestinian state, despite attention being focussed on "the convulsions in the Arab world". Rejecting the US presidential candidate Mitt Romney's comments about the impossibility of a two-state solution, Miliband will add: "Now is not the time to say that the problem is unsolvable."

758 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:26:17am

re: #756 lawhawk

What are they going to do? Upgrade Mitt's software to version 3.0? Reboot to an older software version since the current version is unstable and the beta test revealed serious inconsistencies? /

Based on what they're doing so far?

Double Down on Derp

759 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:26:49am

re: #757 Killgore Trout

About that two state solution....
Palestinian leadership considers withdrawing from the Oslo accords

Yeah. I was thinking about that. I bet a lot of Lizards like you really agree with Mitt Romney on foreign policy.

760 AK-47%  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:27:05am

re: #754 Lidane

Because all of these men believed in the same exact things:

Jerry Boykin Explains How Progressives Are Like Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Marx

"Progressive" used to have a very positive ring to it. Who is against progress?

But there has been a meme, predating Glenn Beck but made popular by him that tries to equate the "progressive" elements of Stalinism, Naziism, Maoism, etc. with the modern concept of "progressive".

761 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:27:46am

Muslim derangement levels are getting a little high. Already had one comment deleted.

762 dragonath  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:27:49am
763 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:28:00am

Stoke the fire in the morning.

764 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:28:17am
765 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:28:30am

re: #728 Mocking Jay

Whoa. Dial-up flashback...

No, but I needed to give that call my full attention. This is a rather engrossing place, after all.

766 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:29:49am

re: #754 Lidane

Because all of these men believed in the same exact things:

[Embedded content]

Whatever else can be said about him, Donald Rumsfeld was right when he bid Jerry Boykin "Adieu".

767 blueraven  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:30:07am

re: #757 Killgore Trout

About that two state solution....
Palestinian leadership considers withdrawing from the Oslo accords

President Mahmoud Abbas is considering cancelling the 1993 Oslo accords, and related economic agreements, according to media reports.

what media reports?

768 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:30:50am

Manipulate Iraq to get at Iran.
Create Saddam Hussein.
Allow Iraq to invade Kuwait.
Drive Iraqis out of Kuwait.
Invade Iraq.
Invade Afghanistan.
Support Bahrain
Support Saudi Arabia.
NYPD surveillance of Muslims.
Threaten to "bomb Iran daily.

All involving Muslims and that's just the short list.

Why are they mad at us?

769 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:31:12am

re: #767 blueraven

President Mahmoud Abbas is considering cancelling the 1993 Oslo accords, and related economic agreements, according to media reports.

what media reports?

The ones that some people say are out there.

What people? Jerry in Accounting.

770 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Waste  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:31:37am

Any word on how Mitt's appearance on Univision's forum went? I presume that he presented himself as Latino-friendly. But does that really resonate well when he is the candidate of a party that for all intents and purposes is anything but that currently?

771 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:31:49am

re: #743 Gus

Separation of church and state...

Image: 08_baptism_in_iraq.jpg

I'll see your wet hole in the desert, and raise you a cemetery: Image: arlington.jpg
Lost Black City Buried Beneath Graves Of Arlington Cemetery

772 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:33:15am
773 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:33:36am
774 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:34:01am

re: #767 blueraven

President Mahmoud Abbas is considering cancelling the 1993 Oslo accords, and related economic agreements, according to media reports.

what media reports?

Gotta keep up with the dead thread troll commentary.

775 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:34:53am

re: #771 abolitionist

I'll see your wet hole in the desert, and raise you a cemetery: Image: arlington.jpg
Lost Black City Buried Beneath Graves Of Arlington Cemetery

They see us as a Christian nation just as much as we see them as Muslim nations. So when they think of the Iraq War, one in which 100,000 Iraqis were killed, they see that as an act of a Christian nation. I don't make the rules.

776 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:35:03am

re: #767 blueraven

President Mahmoud Abbas is considering cancelling the 1993 Oslo accords, and related economic agreements, according to media reports.

what media reports?

Ones like these
Palestinians may cancel Oslo Accords with Israel, says top negotiator

Saeb Erekat says Israel has sabotaged all attempts to revive the peace process, forcing the Palestinian Authority to consider withdrawing from the 1993 agreements.

There are plenty more if you google. It's nothing new. The PA has been floating the idea over the past year or so.

777 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:35:05am

Ryan Criticizes Romney Comments At Private Fundraiser: ‘Obviously Inarticulate’

In an interview this evening with NBC Reno, Vice Presidential nominee Paul Ryan was critical of comments Romney made at a private fundraiser in May, dismissing 47% of American as people who can will never “take personal resonsibility and care for their lives.”

Ryan said Romney’s remarks were “obviously inarticulate.” Asked if he thought Mitt Romney regreted his comments, Ryan responded “I think he would have said it differently, that’s for sure.”

778 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:37:47am

Abbas moots cancelling Oslo Accords: PLO official

President Mahmud Abbas proposed cancelling the Oslo Accords with Israel at a weekend meeting of the Palestinian leadership, a senior member of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) told AFP on Tuesday.

PLO Executive Committee member Wassel Abu Yusef said Abbas raised the idea of "cancelling the Oslo agreement as well as the associated economic and security arrangements," at the meeting on Saturday and Sunday.

Abu Yusef said that "members of the Palestinian leadership had mixed opinions on the issue, and it was decided to postpone any decision until their next meeting," due to be held after Abbas's return from the UN General Assembly later this month.

779 Amory Blaine  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:38:06am

re: #756 lawhawk

What are they going to do? Upgrade Mitt's software to version 3.0? Reboot to an older software version since the current version is unstable and the beta test revealed serious inconsistencies? /

RomneyBot beta 0.9 Cuddly Edition

780 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:38:07am

Heh. So are congress critters eligible to file for unemployment when they get the boot from their constituents?

781 Jolo5309  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:38:12am

re: #190 Mich-again

Heck I would vote for that guy before Romney.

Well you can when Canada takes over what is left of the US...

782 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:38:30am
783 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:38:55am

That's funny. I could have sworn that right wingers hate the Oslo Accords.

785 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:39:56am

re: #772 Gus

U.S. Rifle Scopes In Iraq And Afghanistan Feature Bible Verse Citations

I acknowledge that's deplorable. The military chaplains' support for some servicepersons' customs is something I consider as support for those sevicepersons; establishment of any particular religion, not so much.

786 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:40:11am

re: #783 Gus

That's funny. I could have sworn that right wingers hate the Oslo Accords.

That was before Mitt Romney fucked his campaign over.

787 Mr. Crankypants  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:40:43am

re: #780 William Barnett-Lewis

Heh. So are congress critters eligible to file for unemployment when they get the boot from their constituents?

People who need to be looking for work IMHO
Bachmann
Gohmert
West
Cantor
King (Steve or Peter)

788 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:40:43am

And someone just got the boot.

789 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:42:02am

re: #788 Gus

And someone just got the boot.

Eh? Someone got banned here? *confused*

790 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:42:42am

re: #785 abolitionist

I acknowledge that's deplorable. The military chaplains' support for some servicepersons' customs is something I consider as support for those sevicepersons; establishment of any particular religion, not so much.

That's because Christianity is entrenched in our culture. We just don't see it as easily because we're used to it. It's there. It's there every time every since politician ends his or her speech with "God bless America."

791 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:43:04am

re: #789 Lidane

Eh? Someone got banned here? *confused*

On a page.

792 Lidane  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:43:09am
793 Gus  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:44:00am

Which is now a front page. Woops.

794 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:45:26am

re: #790 Gus

That's because Christianity is entrenched in our culture. We just don't see it as easily because we're used to it. It's there. It's there every time every since politician ends his or her speech with "God bless America."

Yeah, I cringe a little at that too.

795 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 10:50:44am

re: #792 Lidane

[Embedded content]

Heh really when you're being made look like a snobbish dick by Calvin Coolidge's words, you're doing something wrong.

796 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 11:02:15am

re: #656 makeitstop

HA! Maybe growing numbers of Republicans are putting on the life jackets and about to take the Glibertarian plunge, so to speak?

Boo Hiss! as a long time libertarian (hell, i identified as libertarian in jr high), I have to say the term Glibertarian really irks me. First, no political system is going to be perfect in a pure form. I wouldn't want a purely Democrat, Republican, Libertarian, or Statist government. The problem isn't with Libertarian per se, it's more the purists of any party that cause the biggest problem.

I'm all for people who want smaller government as a general philosophy, but I also don't want people to take it to the extreme and think Libertarianism is all about no government. (though there is a chunk of Libertarians who want that very thing, I call them anarchists though)

Government isn't dangerous by itself, a Corporation isn't dangerous by itself, Religion isn't dangerous by itself. Those entities become dangerous when one co-opts or takes control of the other. A Corporation controlling Government and making laws to benefit itself is dangerous. A religion using the government to make laws to further the cause is dangerous.

797 MittDoesNotCompute  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 11:07:46am

re: #663 HappyWarrior

Wow, parasites. Really, that's a really fucked up way of looking at your fellow Americans, Matalin.

That's because Matalin and her fellow RWNJs don't see those of us who aren't like them as Real 'Murricans, so we can be dismissed and dehumanized.

798 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 11:09:54am

re: #796 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All

I think Glibertarian is a useful phrase, if used carefully. I use it to mean "A libertarian who hasn't actually tangled with any of the problematic bits that libertarian ideology leads to, but hand-waves aside all problems with fantasies of perfect information and a perfectly rational public."

799 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 11:58:05am

re: #747 Obdicut

I thought the same thing.

800 Patricia Kayden  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 2:38:04pm

"Mitt Doesn't Disdain the Poor"

What a heartwarming title. Makes me feel fuzzy.
It's amazing how out of touch his campaign has become. All that's left is the debates.

801 freekurdistan  Wed, Sep 19, 2012 8:39:37pm

she is a total liar. the comments are not "out of context". the entire video was made available by mother jones.

romney does not talk about helping "the 47%" out of poverty or mention anything about helping "women". it's pathetic pandering on ann's part. does she think people won't watch the video?

i will admit that the video may be "misinterpreted" since it's difficult to interpret just what this idiot was trying to say. my best interpretation is: the 47% of americans who pay zero or net-neutral income tax are completely dependent on government and will never take personal responsibility and care for their lives and therefore will vote for the president no matter what.


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